Official 2008-09 NBA Thread

[Ziggyman]

red now? no more purple? they got portland's colors now.

Purple was gone like 2-3 years ago man...

[Bunker]

I've always like this Raptors jersey:

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m303/Kevin_71/High%20quality%20pics/NBA/Toronto%20Raptors/vcln3.jpg

[Ziggyman]

^Yeah...That's still around...That's are away jersey...

I don't mind that jersey...But I don't like the player wearing it!!!:cmad:

[Nightmare]

Purple was gone like 2-3 years ago man...

:ninja: damn really.

[Bunker]

^Yeah...That's still around...That's are away jersey...

I don't mind that jersey...But I don't like the player wearing it!!!:cmad:

Get over it, VC was the best you guys ever had.

[Nightmare]

VC also pushed them the furthest theyve ever been in the playoffs. I remember that miss in game 7 vs the sixers in the eastern confrence semi finals.

[Ziggyman]

Get over it, VC was the best you guys ever had.

Yeah yeah...I know...

Just playing...I don't like him...But there's no doubt that he USE/USED (I don't know which to use) to be a very good player...

[Ziggyman]

VC also pushed them the furthest theyve ever been in the playoffs. I remember that miss in game 7 vs the sixers in the eastern confrence semi finals.

Yeah...I think I cried that day...:hehe:

...Don't remember...

[Go Web Go!]

http://www.nba.com/media/raptors/blk3rdjersey_1400x1050.jpg

Yeah! Raps third jersey...

Bastard child of the Heat & Blazers road jersies.

[Bunker]

Yeah yeah...I know...

Just playing...I don't like him...But there's no doubt that he USE/USED (I don't know which to use) to be a very good player...

He's finally going to be 100% this year. He's going to have one of his best seasons.

[Nightmare]

Bastard child of the Heat & Blazers road jersies.

:hehe: So true.

He's finally going to be 100% this year. He's going to have one of his best seasons.

Up until he gets hurt 5 games in the season.

[JaD]

This came out of nowhere:

LOS ANGELES -- Jason Williams announced his retirement Friday, ending his 10-year NBA career less than two months after signing with the Los Angeles Clippers.

Williams, who helped the Miami Heat to the NBA title in 2006, averaged 11.4 points, 6.3 assists and shot 39.6 percent from the floor in 679 games.

The point guard was drafted seventh overall pick in 1998 out of Florida by the Sacramento Kings and averaged 12.8 points and six assists as a rookie.

Williams joined the Memphis Grizzlies three years later, and in 2001-02 averaged 14.8 points and eight assists. In four seasons with the Grizzlies, Williams became the club's career assists leader.

He played for the Heat from 2005-2008, and started all 23 playoff games in Miami's title run. He signed with the Clippers on Aug. 7.


So long, J-Will. Thanks for your one good year here which helped lead Miami to a title.
White Chocolate?! Nooo, I'm gonna miss him...:csad: :O

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/JAD51287/nba/jason_williams_01.gif http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/JAD51287/nba/JasWilliams_layup.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/JAD51287/nba/jason1.jpg http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/JAD51287/nba/6_20_06jason_williams_nba_champion.gif7-S8P3LGA70

:up:

[Ziggyman]

:hehe: So true.



Up until he gets hurt 5 games in the season.

You sound like a Toronto fan!...:hehe:

You just forgot to say that he will fake an injury when his team goes down the chute!

[Ben Urich]

Love the Raptors' black alts. The maple leaf on the back really does it for me. :up:

RIP J-Thrill. WHITE CHOCOLATE 4EVA!!!1

[Nightmare]

Best thing about J-Will, is when he was on the kings. There would be a breakaway 4 on 1 He would pull up and bust a 3.

[Ziggyman]

Love the Raptors' black alts. The maple leaf on the back really does it for me. :up:

RIP J-Thrill. WHITE CHOCOLATE 4EVA!!!1

Just that one little symbol really completes the outfit...Eh!

Now hopefully they also put it on our white home jerseys!

I also like how it says Toronto instead of Raptors!

[Go Web Go!]

Best thing about J-Will, is when he was on the kings. There would be a breakaway 4 on 1 He would pull up and bust a 3.

He still did that with Memphis & Miami!

Anyhow, I think I'll hold on to my J-Will Kings jersies as a tribute instead of eBaying them as planned. :o

[Nightmare]

I love how he quit on the clippers. Probably looked at the roster thought if it was worth it, then just upped and quit.

[Ziggyman]

I always really liked him...

...Wasn't he in a motorcycle accident awhile ago...Maybe he feeling some effects?!?!

[Nightmare]

He was? Arent you thinkin of Jay Williams? Former Duke Graduate and Bulls player?

[Ziggyman]

Yep...Yes I am...My bad...!

[Nightmare]

Im suprised you didnt also confuse him with Jayson Williams former Net who shot his Limo Driver.

[Ziggyman]

Too many Williams' in this damn League/Association...The Raptors have had like 5!

[Nightmare]

Aaron Williams, Jerome Williams i remember on there.

[Ziggyman]

Aaron, Jerome, Alvin, Eric, and Walt

...Williams

I think you mean Alvin...Aaron sucked, Alvin was more "famous" or known!

[Go Web Go!]

I love how he quit on the clippers. Probably looked at the roster thought if it was worth it, then just upped and quit.

Why is that quitting? We're not a day into the season. Training camp hasn't even started. Maybe he figured coming back to any team wasn't worth it, be it because of his bum knees or because he just flat out wanted to move on.

By the way, while we're on the subjects of jersies - Bucks introduced an alt:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v506/ShinyHubCaps/RedUniforms.jpg

[Nightmare]

Those look exactly like the Rocket's jerseys.

I dont really care how he quit or why he quit, just that it was the clippers and i couldnt help but snicker at that.

[Ziggyman]

^No more green or purple...

[Zephyr Alexian]

Seeing the Bucks in that Jersey is going to take some getting used to.

[Caped Crusader]

It's gonna be weird seeing Jefferson in a Bucks uni

[Zephyr Alexian]

Unless he gets injured, he's a better option than Yi was at this respective point in their careers.

[Nightmare]

Who has a better shot to make the playoffs? Bucks or Nets?

[Caped Crusader]

Tough call

[Zephyr Alexian]

The Nets have a nice team, but I doubt Vinsanity will play hard; if the Nets go under .500 early in the season, Carter's performance will prove non-existent. If Redd stays healthy, I'd say that the Bucks will have the better season.

[Nightmare]

Im suprised VC is still there honestly. Is it that they cant find anyone that wants him or that they wanna keep him?

[Ghostvirus]

Da Bulls com'in out da east this year. I know I have said this like 3 years in a row, but this year I mean it damnit!:cmad:

[Ben Urich]

By the way, while we're on the subjects of jersies - Bucks introduced an alt:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v506/ShinyHubCaps/RedUniforms.jpg

Ketchup. :down:

Those look exactly like the Rocket's jerseys.

Different shade of red, different font, different style (retro vs. future)...

Yeah they're exactly alike. :huh:

^No more green or purple...

The green uniform is still the primary one used on the road. The red one is an alt.

Who has a better shot to make the playoffs? Bucks or Nets?

Bucks.

Tough call

Not really, no. The Bucks have four guys (Bogut, Jefferson, Redd, and Villanueva) who can score 20 on any given night, and two (Jefferson and Redd) who will certainly average at least 20 anyway. Their problem is defense.

The Nets, in contrast, have Carter, Harris, and a bunch of nice, high-character role-players (Dooling, Najera, Hayes) and ****else. Carter will get his (if he's motivated) but it won't be easy without Jefferson around to take the pressure off him. They'll be lucky to eclipse 25 wins. I mean, there's a good chance they'll finish behind the Knicks, who are equal in terms of talent and have a much better coach.

Im suprised VC is still there honestly. Is it that they cant find anyone that wants him or that they wanna keep him?

They're saying all the right things about how they want him to lead this team of youngsters (and he's doing his part, too) but they definitely want to move him for the right price. Thing is, nobody wants Carter $67.2 million until 2012, at which point he'll be 35 and useless.

And yes, I'm aware that the Magic owe Rashard Lewis $108 million until 2013, when he'll turn 34. :csad::up:

[Zephyr Alexian]

Im suprised VC is still there honestly. Is it that they cant find anyone that wants him or that they wanna keep him?

Oh, nobody wants him; he's great offensively, but he'll let the opposing team run lay-up drills if it means him having to chase a guy around a pick, guard the perimeter, or. . . .just staying in front of his man actually.:o

The highlight of his career wasn't even in the NBA. It was dunking over that 7ft guy who's now famous for the wrong reason. Well, either that or putting the ball and his entire fore arm through the basket during his dunk contest heyday.

Da Bulls com'in out da east this year. I know I have said this like 3 years in a row, but this year I mean it damnit!:cmad:
If that doesn't work out, at least you guys still have the coolest intro. . .ever.:up: When MJ and co. used to come out to 'Sirius', I was so psyched to see the games.

They're saying all the right things about how they want him to lead this team of youngsters (and he's doing his part, too) but they definitely want to move him for the right price. Thing is, nobody wants Carter $67.2 million until 2012, at which point he'll be 35 and useless.

He's owed that much? He'll be a Net until then; unless another team is foolish enough to ignore the whole New Jersey/Dallas situation from last year. Still, the Nets will try because the Ratner group will definitely want to take a shot at Lebron.

[Ben Urich]

http://blog.newsok.com/nbainokc/files/2008/09/okcjerseys.jpg

:dry:

It's the Warriors' collar detail with the aesthetic of the Pistons' teal mid-90s uniforms. Fail.

Also, OKC on the uniform? TACKY.

[Go Web Go!]

As if the logo wasn't bad enough, OKC continues what is possibly the worst branding of a sports franchise anywhere...EVER...in history.

[fu manchu]

OKC vs. OKC??? sounds like it would be a really ugly game. and looking at the score, it is.

speaking about ugly....OKC has a ugly name, ugly uniform, ugly franchise, .......

[Go Web Go!]

http://blog.newsok.com/nbainokc/files/2008/09/okcjerseys.jpg

:dry:

It's the Warriors' collar detail with the aesthetic of the Pistons' teal mid-90s uniforms. Fail.

Also, OKC on the uniform? TACKY.

Good news. It's apparently a fake. These are supposedly the real deal:

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/8841/nbalive09seasonpreview1di5.jpg

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i163/thmst30/okc1.png

Still bland and still boring, but an upgrade over what we originally saw. Whatever the case is, we'll know for sure Monday.

[Ghostvirus]

If that doesn't work out, at least you guys still have the coolest intro. . .ever.:up: When MJ and co. used to come out to 'Sirius', I was so psyched to see the games.

I have that as my ring tone. Simply beautiful.:o

I sometimes start to cry when some one calls me. I just want to good old days back.:csad:

[Silver Knight]

http://blog.newsok.com/nbainokc/files/2008/09/okcjerseys.jpg

:dry:

It's the Warriors' collar detail with the aesthetic of the Pistons' teal mid-90s uniforms. Fail.

Also, OKC on the uniform? TACKY.
Fake.

[Go Web Go!]

Indeed they were:
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii20/ezstreet19/thunderuni.jpg

[Nightmare]

Is that Earl "The Pearl" Watson?

[Go Web Go!]

You know it.

[Silver Knight]

Indeed they were:
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii20/ezstreet19/thunderuni.jpg
Hmm any more pics?

[JaD]

Indeed they were:
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii20/ezstreet19/thunderuni.jpg
My goodness.http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/JAD51287/spidey3/gifs/s2-jjlaugh_jd-9n.gif

[Zephyr Alexian]

Pointless at this point, yet noteworthy (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/powerranking?season=2009&week=-1)

You did it. You made it through the longest 23 weeks on the calendar, all of which began without a fresh batch of NBA Power Rankings. The drought ends with our first helping of the new season. Understandably, my rankings find the teams we last saw in the Finals in June -- the new champs from Boston and their old, humbled pals from L.A. -- occupying the top two spots. Our annual training camp edition of the rankings also has been kind to the playoff teams (most notably Houston, Cleveland, Philadelphia and Toronto) that made the biggest offseason upgrades.
For the purposes of review, allow me to pass along my standard reminder that the season's first round of rankings measures each team's standing and outlook heading into camp. It is not -- repeat, not -- a predicted order of finish. How last season ended and how good a team is projected to be in 2008-09 are only part of the equation at this early stage. How each team fared with its summertime dealings factors in as well, along with the usual dash of totally subjective whim from the committee (of one).
The next batch will appear Oct. 27, on the eve of opening night, after all 30 teams have had a month to show us something. You then can click here every Monday throughout the regular season for our human, thoroughly nonautomated pulse take of the league. You can rank the teams yourself (http://sports.espn.go.com/chat/sportsnation/rank?versionId=1&listId=192) or click here (http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/mailbagESPN?event_id=3018) to comment on the first set.

[Bond]

There are more pics of the Thunder's jerseys here. (http://www.nba.com/thunder/#/media)

They look waaay too much like the Knicks' jerseys IMO.

[Go Web Go!]

Pointless at this point, yet noteworthy (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/powerranking?season=2009&week=-1)

I hate Marc Stein and his fat head.

[Silver Knight]

OKC has to have the worst logo and unis in all of sports.

[JaD]

They look like NBDL jerseys :huh:

[Go Web Go!]

OKC has to have the worst logo and unis in all of sports.

Can't argue that, although the uniforms are nowhere near as bad as I thought they would be. Still pretty damn terrible. Poor Sonics. :csad:

[Nightmare]

They Suck.

[Silver Knight]

Can't argue that, although the uniforms are nowhere near as bad as I thought they would be. Still pretty damn terrible. Poor Sonics. :csad:
The Sonics will rise again one day..

[Bunker]

The OKC have the blandest uniforms I have ever seen.

[Zephyr Alexian]

I hate Marc Stein and his fat head.

Ha, fat head, skinny predictions. He thought that San Antonio was coming out of the West last year.:down For some reason, he thinks that they're going to surprise people this year as a threat. Personally, I think that they're a 5 seed at best. They won't do better than Lakers, Hornets, Rockets, or the Trailblazers. They'll find themselves grouped with the aging Mavericks and Suns. Ginobli is out for a while due to his Argentina play.

[Zephyr Alexian]

They look like NBDL jerseys :huh:

Very true.:funny:

[L.A.]

2008-09 Power Rankings: Training Camp
RANK (LAST WK) TEAM REC. COMMENT
1 (1) Celtics 66-16 Slotting the defending champs here has never been more automatic, even though Posey left. Every time we hear someone ask whether they'll be hungry enough to repeat, we want to respond: Boston still has KG, right?
2 (2) Lakers 57-25 For all the concerns -- Bynum's recovery from knee woes, Kobe insisting he doesn't need pinky surgery and doubts about Bynum, Gasol and Odom co-existing -- who in the West wouldn't trade for the Lakers' issues?
3 (5) Hornets 56-26 You certainly can make the argument -- and I think we're leaning that way -- that the best team in the killer division that delivered four 50-win teams last season will wind up being Chris Paul's team. Concur?
4 (6) Rockets 55-27 No team in the West made a bigger summer splash than the health-challenged Rockets did when they traded for Artest. Of course, as Yao noted last year: ''We say that every year.'' Cautious optimism is wisest.
5 (8) Spurs 56-26 You know all about the Spurs in odd-numbered years. So dismiss them at your own peril, even if what Duncan declared last season -- ''Our biggest problem is health'' -- is a problem with Ginobili already out early.
6 (15) Cavaliers 45-37 Although trading for Michael Redd was a nice fantasy, getting Mo Williams off the Bucks is hardly a consolation prize. He's a younger version of the Mike -- Bibby -- Cleveland tried for years to add and should give Bron help.
7 (3) Pistons 59-23 The summer certainly would have been more fun had Joe D delivered that shake-up, but you can see why he resisted. For all that closing-window talk, the Pistons are a 59-win team whose kids are only getting better.
8 (13) 76ers 40-42 The Sixers were the undisputed winners of the offseason, but Brand might lift last season's No. 7s only one spot. Philly can finish anywhere from No. 2 to No. 6, as can Cleveland, Detroit, Orlando and Toronto.
9 (4) Jazz 54-28 Is this the last season for Utah's Olympic tag team to be together? With Boozer headed for free agency in the summer, that's the question D-Will and the rest of this Jazz will hear all year, no matter how good they are.
10 (19) Raptors 41-41 I loved the Raps' gamble here. If O'Neal's knees don't hold up, the Raptors still can be a .500 team without Ford and Nesterovic. And if he does come back strong? Toronto becomes a threat to the East's beasts in Boston.
11 (10) Mavericks 51-31 Which longtime power is straining harder to keep the window ajar? Dirk, J-Kidd and the under-fire Josh Howard in Dallas? Or their old Phoenix friends who must be equally stunned to start the new season out of the top 10?
12 (7) Suns 55-27 If there's a more compelling mystery in the whole league than seeing what we'll get from the Suns' throwing new coach Terry Porter together with Nash, Shaq, Amare and Grant Hill, please point it out to us.
13 (17) Trail Blazers 41-41 Has any non-playoff team for five straight seasons generated expectations like these kids? But the Blazers won't complain if managing expectations (as opposed to the health of Roy and Oden) is their biggest worry.
14 (11) Magic 52-30 Stan Van has made folks in the Magic Kingdom forget that they were ever spurned by Billy Donovan. But Orlando didn't do much to get better in the offseason, so SVG will have to hope getting older is enough.
15 (12) Wizards 43-39 Wiz vets like to say that, when healthy, they're right there with the East's best. Two obvious problems there: Washington is rarely healthy, and that statement is increasingly debatable in the (no misprint) improving East.
16 (24) Bucks 26-56 Almost every one of last season's non-playoff teams in the East thinks it can break through this season. Hiring Skiles and acquiring Richard Jefferson arguably gives Milwaukee more hope than anyone in that group.
17 (23) Bulls 33-49 Returning to the top eight when PG and coach have no experience won't be easy. A guards glut and the usual low-post void won't help. Can't be harder than winning the Rose lottery with the ninth-best chances, though.
18 (9) Nuggets 50-32 For just the second time in club history, Denver sports a streak of five straight winning seasons. Anyone think the Camby-less Nuggets, with A.I. trade rumors constantly swirling, can play enough D to make it six?
19 (29) Clippers 23-59 Not nearly as down on the Clips' chances as the departing Maggette, who claims homecoming king Baron Davis is "in for a rude awakening." Not ready to say this new team of newsmakers can make the playoffs, either.
20 (14) Warriors 48-34 Q: What's worse than winning 48 games and not making the playoffs? A: Everything that has happened to the Warriors since that April heartbreak, lowlighted by Baron Davis' departure and the Ellis injury saga.
21 (21) Bobcats 32-50 We'd normally see the Bobs as the sort of the team in line for a 10-win spike after hiring a proven winner like Larry Brown. Problem is, Charlotte's roster still is badly flawed. Nor are we sure they're getting vintage Larry.
22 (17) Hawks 37-45 Seeing Childress defect to Greece won't hurt the Hawks nearly as much as the knowledge that 37 wins ain't going to get you a playoff spot this season … and that competition for the No. 8 seed will be far more fierce.
23 (16) Kings 38-44 Bobby Brown's arrival means that we'll be more into them than we've been since Henry Turner and Leon Wood were Kings. For the rest of you, it's a full-on youth movement starring Kevin Martin and little else you'll recognize.
24 (30) Heat 15-67 It doesn't seem outlandish, even after a nosedive to the shameful depths of 15-67, to expect D-Wade, Marion and Beasley to mount a playoff push. Until you realize Coach Spoelstra has almost nothing else to work with.
25 (20) Pacers 36-46 Maybe we should be higher on a team that finished one game shy of the playoffs. Just can't shake the feeling that Indy (a) came up way short on the O'Neal deal and (b) still lacks the right mix to play Obie's way.
26 (25) Knicks 23-59 Donnie W. and D'Antoni have quickly restored some hope to MSG's gloomy halls, but that's a lot easier in the summer when all the focus is on them. Now the players are back to remind everyone how hard their jobs will be.
27 (22) Nets 34-48 Ouch, ouch, ouch. After every other Atlantic team chasing Boston made a big-name snag -- Elton Brand, Jermaine O'Neal, Mike D'Antoni -- rebuilding Jersey was pegged to finish last in the East in ESPN's staff poll.
28 (28) Timberwolves 22-60 The Wolves quietly posted a borderline respectable record of 17-26 after last season's 5-34 start to Life After KG. Yet it's tough to picture Minnesota sustaining that form over 82 games, fond as we are of Mike Miller's game.
29 (26) Grizzlies 22-60 No one is bound to even notice in the West, but the much-maligned Grizz have assembled an intriguing group of kids: O.J. Mayo, Rudy Gay, even Marc Gasol. Which is why trading for Z-Bo to be the vet made no sense.
30 (27) Thunder 20-62 The Hornets went 38-44 in OKC's only other season as an NBA city. The Thunder? Dare we say 28 wins would represent success for a group that still offers precious little to thrill those loud crowds beyond Kevin Durant?

[Go Web Go!]

Ha, fat head, skinny predictions. He thought that San Antonio was coming out of the West last year.:down For some reason, he thinks that they're going to surprise people this year as a threat. Personally, I think that they're a 5 seed at best. They won't do better than Lakers, Hornets, Rockets, or the Trailblazers. They'll find themselves grouped with the aging Mavericks and Suns. Ginobli is out for a while due to his Argentina play.

A 4 or 5 seed sounds about right. I'll take the Lakers, Hornets, and Rockets over the Spurs, but the Blazers? That is a HUUUGE jump. Portland was good last year and get Oden back this season, but they're all still a bunch of kids compared to San Antonio and their titles.

[JaD]

Indeed they were:
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii20/ezstreet19/thunderuni.jpg
So when are we gonna have an "NBA Caption Pic" thread on here? :hehe:

Earl Watson: "_____________"

Kevin Durant: "____."

:oldrazz:

[Dr. Evil]

Indeed they were:
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii20/ezstreet19/thunderuni.jpg

Earl Watson: So what do you think of the Uniform?
Kevin Durant: I don't care, I'll be in New York in five years.

My condolences go out to Kevin Durant.

[Zephyr Alexian]

A 4 or 5 seed sounds about right. I'll take the Lakers, Hornets, and Rockets over the Spurs, but the Blazers? That is a HUUUGE jump. Portland was good last year and get Oden back this season, but they're all still a bunch of kids compared to San Antonio and their titles.

Yeah, but San Antonio is another year older, Ginobli doesn't come back from surgery until December, and they have no one else to support the big 3 of Duncan, Ginobli, and Parker. Will they even score over 90 on a consistent basis? I think Portland or Dallas will take that 4 spot.

[Nightmare]

Spurs are done, id be suprised if they got anything better than a #5 seed.

[Zephyr Alexian]

The Spurs '08-'09 season will look like the Suns '07-'08 season. :o

[Docker2.0]

Anyone want to bet that if Marbury is bought out, kept from the team, or has VERY limited playing time, the Knicks will win 40+ games. :o

Nightmare, who are you? Wes Craven? First you was a joker, whysoserious, now you only have psychotic avys.

[Zephyr Alexian]

I wish he was, but Walsh said that he's philosophically opposed to buyouts. :confused: Whatever that means.

Still, the biggest problem the Knicks have is figuring out how to get Eddie Curry to run up and down the court in D'Antoni's offensive scheme. Ha, ha. Good luck with that.

[Nightmare]

Anyone want to bet that if Marbury is bought out, kept from the team, or has VERY limited playing time, the Knicks will win 40+ games. :o

Nightmare, who are you? Wes Craven? First you was a joker, whysoserious, now you only have psychotic avys.

No, im not wes craven. Are you Jenaveve Jolie?

[Go Web Go!]

Heat are apparently close to signing Shaun Livingston. That's good news for a couple of reasons:

1. It would be on the cheap. A low risk, possibly high-reward signing.
2. It's not Stephon Marbury.

[Docker2.0]

No, im not wes craven. Are you Jenaveve Jolie?

No but I'd definetly hit it. :up:
Look, I'm a pervert which is why I have all these lovely ladies on my avy's......but I was just curious as to why you have all the dead guys on your avy all the time.

[Nightmare]

No but I'd definetly hit it. :up:
Look, I'm a pervert which is why I have all these lovely ladies on my avy's......but I was just curious as to why you have all the dead guys on your avy all the time.

oh, im a fan of horror. I love the lovely ladies too though.

[Zephyr Alexian]

Heat are apparently close to signing Shaun Livingston. That's good news for a couple of reasons:

1. It would be on the cheap. A low risk, possibly high-reward signing.
2. It's not Stephon Marbury.


:wow:If he stays healthy, that's a huge addition.:up:

[Nightmare]

Huge IF. Also, pretty suprising ESPN only picked the heat to only win 15 games this season.

[Ziggyman]

If Jermaine's knee holds up and the team meshes right away...I think my Raps can go fourth in the East...! We may have not have a deep bench...But we did the last two years and we only made it to the first round...Hopefully we can get over the hump...!

[Docker2.0]

Huge IF. Also, pretty suprising ESPN only picked the heat to only win 15 games this season.

That's what I don't understand! Did they not see Wade in the Olympics?! :huh:......but then again, it wasn't on ESPN. ;) You add Beasley and Marion(who's in a contract year so he's going to play his ass off!) with Wade and I'd say they are good enough to win at LEAST 40 games.

[Go Web Go!]

Where did ESPN predict Miami to win 15 games this year? This is directly from their "forecast" of the Heat's upcoming season: Prediction: 39-43, 3rd in Southeast Division, T-9th in Eastern Conference.

Maybe you guys read last season's win total?

[Zephyr Alexian]

I remember reading an article at the end of last season that predicted a low win total for Miami, but I can't remember how low it was. Besides, that was before D-Wade used the olympics as his personal way of saying 'I'm back.' Hopefully he stays healthy and I think they can make the playoffs.

[Dr. Evil]

Interesting:

ESPN.COM says that the Bobcats are going to go 40-42 and get the final playoff spot in the East.

They are at least a year away, even with Larry Brown as head coach.

[Go Web Go!]

Interesting:

ESPN.COM says that the Bobcats are going to go 40-42 and get the final playoff spot in the East.

They are at least a year away, even with Larry Brown as head coach.

That's flat-out idiotic. That's why I can't bare to read or watch anything ESPN puts out. Charlotte, 40-42? Really? REALLY? They land a big-name coach and they're suddenly playoff bound? Get the hell out of here with that. :whatever:

[Nightmare]

Lol

[Silver Knight]

No chance the Bobcats make the play-offs.

[Go Web Go!]

Jersey Watch '08 continues...

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3232/2892649273_a78957ce2c.jpg

[Raiden]

That's flat-out idiotic. That's why I can't bare to read or watch anything ESPN puts out. Charlotte, 40-42? Really? REALLY? They land a big-name coach and they're suddenly playoff bound? Get the hell out of here with that. :whatever:

Yeah, NBA isn't like the NCAA, where coach makes all the difference. In NBA, you actually need talents in order to win games, and Bobcats don't have that level of talents to go 40-42.

[Dr. Evil]

Kevin Durant and the ugly uniforms that he probably won't be wearing anymore when he plays in the next Olympics are projected to win 20 games and Last in the West by ESPN.COM. They are also predicting that New Orleans will still make the Playoffs, but will take a small step back, finishing second in their division behind Houston. San Antonio finishes behind New Orleans.

And I find it interesting that in the last few years, half of the Western Conference Playoff Bracket comes from the same division.

They also have Utah finishing first in the entire Western Conference.

[Zephyr Alexian]

Utah? That's funny. They could definitely finish in the top 5, but I don't see a first seed in their future.

[Go Web Go!]

They also have Utah finishing first in the entire Western Conference.

Seriusly? Who the hell has been writing for ESPN these last few weeks? Is Ashton Kutcher going to pop up from behind my computer because this is nuts.

[Nightmare]

I dont really see how utah can finish first. AK47 has his best season, Deron williams plays like hes Michael Jordan and Boozer plays like he's karl malone during his prime? I still cant see it.

[JaD]

I'm really not digging most of these uniforms. Kinda odd considering I may learn to like them or something, I dunno.

[Silver Knight]

Kings away looks nice.

[Alpha and Omega]

I'm not sure Boozer will have a good year; Williams is a special player, but he didn't play like Jordan last season. Only Lebron really did that. Actually, stat-wise, Bron-Bron was playing like Oscar Robertson.

This year is up in the air for both conferences. Even the East won't be a gimme for the Celtics or some of the other mainstays like Detroit and Clevland. The West will probably have more than 6 50 win teams this season, but I'm not sure about a record 9 or so. After the all-star break, a lot of squads with winning records will be exposed just like Portland was last year.

[Zephyr Alexian]

Seriusly? Who the hell has been writing for ESPN these last few weeks?

Hollinger projected Utah in the number 1 spot. The guy is a complete moron in terms of basketball. He's not only disrespecting the Hornets, Lakers, and Spurs, he had no real evidence to back up his statements. It's like he just threw names into a hat and picked one. If you look at his history of b-ball articles for ESPN, you see that he's inexperienced in his theories. It's not like an article from Chris Sheridan or JA Adande. They're fairly objective.

I'm a huge Lakers fan, but I have some concerns about our season and how it will turn out. (I don't want to see Odom traded, but we need a pg who's a better defender and a versatile 3; Ariza is nice, but we need another one.)

Honestly, I have the nagging feeling that New Orleans is going to have the best record in the West and James Posey has a lot to do with that. The guy makes all the hustle plays, he's a heck of a defender, he energizes his teammates, and he's a credible spacer because he can shoot it from deep.

[Ben Urich]

Utah might be my pick to come out of the West as well, although it's hard to pick them over, say, New Orleans. And L.A.

I like Hollinger. A lot. :o

[Go Web Go!]

Hollinger projected Utah in the number 1 spot. The guy is a complete moron in terms of basketball. He's not only disrespecting the Hornets, Lakers, and Spurs, he had no real evidence to back up his statements. It's like he just threw names into a hat and picked one. If you look at his history of b-ball articles for ESPN, you see that he's inexperienced in his theories. It's not like an article from Chris Sheridan or JA Adande. They're fairly objective.

I'm a huge Lakers fan, but I have some concerns about our season and how it will turn out. (I don't want to see Odom traded, but we need a pg who's a better defender and a versatile 3; Ariza is nice, but we need another one.)

Honestly, I have the nagging feeling that New Orleans is going to have the best record in the West and James Posey has a lot to do with that. The guy makes all the hustle plays, he's a heck of a defender, he energizes his teammates, and he's a credible spacer because he can shoot it from deep.

I'm not going to go as far as to say that I "like" Hollinger, but for the most part, the guy knows what he's talking about. Picking the Jazz to come out of the West isn't one of those instances, especially if he's not providing any valid reasons for doing so like you say.

There may be quite a few people that make the Jazz the trendy pick this year to surprise people/go deep into the playoffs, but to pick them over any of the teams you mentioned (plus the Rockets) makes ZERO sense.

By the way, I just realized that with the Sonics moving to OKC and becoming the Thunder...

NO MORE SQUATCH! :csad::csad::csad:

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii297/stayfresh2def83/sonics.jpg

[JaD]

Chewie's cousin is now out of work. :csad:

Revolt! Dahh!!!!!

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/JAD51287/Wookies.jpg

[ElToro]

How bout them Golden State Warriors!!!!!???

[JaD]

How bout them Golden State Warriors!!!!!???
Ho!!! *throws fist up*

[ElToro]

Ho!!! *throws fist up*

I dont know wheather your against me or not.
But i still believe.Forget baron Davis the team dosent need him.They got Monte Ellis,Ronny Turiaf,Marcus Williams.Dude,this team might go somewhere this year.Although,Monte Ellis is hurt and i believe he wont be playing for 3 months.

[Nightmare]

You forgot maggete.

[Go Web Go!]

I dont know wheather your against me or not.
But i still believe.Forget baron Davis the team dosent need him.They got Monte Ellis,Ronny Turiaf,Marcus Williams.Dude,this team might go somewhere this year.Although,Monte Ellis is hurt and i believe he wont be playing for 3 months.

They'll be a low playoff seed at best. Too bad they're not in the East. They'd be like a 5 seed.

[ElToro]

You forgot maggete.

awww yea i almost forgot bout him
dude,warriors are ready man.telling you

[JaD]

I dont know wheather your against me or not.
But i still believe.Forget baron Davis the team dosent need him.They got Monte Ellis,Ronny Turiaf,Marcus Williams.Dude,this team might go somewhere this year.Although,Monte Ellis is hurt and i believe he wont be playing for 3 months.
No I live in the Bay Area, Warriors fan right here :cwink:, kinda bummed about Monta being out though. A relative of mine (not through blood though) played for GS for a few seasons (Calbert Cheaney) He'd get us tickets for the games and we could go to the family meeting room or whatever it was called. I got to meet Avery Johnson before he was a coach :hehe:

I'll probably go to a game or two this season :up:

[Nightmare]

Lakers >> Warriors :)

[JaD]

Lakers >> Warriors :)Tuna Sandwich >> Lakers

[ElToro]

No I live in the Bay Area, Warriors fan right here :cwink:, kinda bummed about Monta being out though. A relative of mine (not through blood though) played for GS for a few seasons (Calbert Cheaney) He'd get us tickets for the games and we could go to the family meeting room or whatever it was called. I got to meet Avery Johnson before he was a coach :hehe:

I'll probably go to a game or two this season :up:

you know who i also believe that will help this team a lot,Marco bellinelli
My favorit player in the team.

[JaD]

you know who i also believe that will help this team a lot,Marco bellinelli
My favorit player in the team.
I'm sure he'll get some decent playing time this season. :up:

[Silver Knight]

awww yea i almost forgot bout him
dude,warriors are ready man.telling you
No Sir, they are not.

[Nightmare]

ready for last place. :hehe:

[Zephyr Alexian]

I'm not going to go as far as to say that I "like" Hollinger, but for the most part, the guy knows what he's talking about. Picking the Jazz to come out of the West isn't one of those instances, especially if he's not providing any valid reasons for doing so like you say.
He's a statistics guy, but he's terrible at predictions. If you go back and look at his track record of predictions, it's not very good.

Ex: He claims that Bryant is degrading as a player because his points production has been decreasing. That doesn't take into account team philosophy, last year's career highs in assists and rebounds, or the emergence of other stars around him.

How he thinks that Utah is going to win games against NO or LA is beyond me. Has Utah added any players that I'm not aware of?

There may be quite a few people that make the Jazz the trendy pick this year to surprise people/go deep into the playoffs, but to pick them over any of the teams you mentioned (plus the Rockets) makes ZERO sense.Exactly. The Rockets gave them fits in the playoffs last year without Yao or Ron Artest. The Lakers beat them with injured starters, and as long as David West' back is healthy, New Orleans is a legitimate contender. The Jazz can play great defense when they want to, but they're not balanced enough offensively.

By the way, I just realized that with the Sonics moving to OKC and becoming the Thunder...
NO MORE SQUATCH! :csad::csad::csad:
hahahahaha, yeah, he'll have to retire. :ninja:

edit: The point I was attempting to convey is that Hollinger works for ESPN sports, but his articles seem more like they come from the casual sports fans who write about Sports over at Yahoo News.:o

[Double Down]

I like the Cavs chemistry this year.

[Nightmare]

I expect the Cavs to finish top 4. Battle for #3 seed with Phili.

[Ben Urich]

The Warriors signed Dan Dickau the other day. :o

[Ben Urich]

Also, Shaun Livingston signed with the Heat today.
http://bp0.blogger.com/_cZfxyZqO0Ss/Reb1cMP0fkI/AAAAAAAAACQ/JIP9dKZZKk4/s320/Livingston+injury.jpg
:o

[Nightmare]

I heard the lakers were interested in Livingston. Nice signing by the heat. Hope he bounces back healthy and has a solid career from here on. How would the clippers feel if that happend?

[Mister J]

Four point guards on the roster.

...every damn one of them with a big question mark by their name.:dry:

[Nightmare]

Could be worse, they could of resigned Jason Williams.

[Excel]

my seats for the c's cavs seaosn opener are ****in sweet, i cant wait :up: :up:

[Venom'sDad]

Candace Parker has got to be the first & only person in all of sports history, to win a league's MVP Award and Rookie of the Year Award in the same year.

Congrat Candace... you have just made History. :applaud:bow::heart::applaud

[MoPlaYa]

She is a baller for sure

[Double Down]

Candace Parker has got to be the first & only person in all of sports history, to win a league's MVP Award and Rookie of the Year Award in the same year.

Congrat Candace... you have just made History. :applaud:bow::heart::applaud

Evan Longoria would have done it too if he didn't get hurt.

[Bunker]

Candace Parker has got to be the first & only person in all of sports history, to win a league's MVP Award and Rookie of the Year Award in the same year.

Congrat Candace... you have just made History. :applaud:bow::heart::applaud

Ichiro did it first.

[Venom'sDad]

Ichiro did it first.

Ich was a pro Japan for a number of years, b4 he came to MLB. Candice is a true rookie that's a MVP.

As far as Evan Longoria.... IF is a big word, and you really can't say he would have, because simply he didn't.... that's just a matter of opinion.

[Bunker]

Ich was a pro Japan for a number of years, b4 he came to MLB. Candice is a true rookie that's a MVP.

As far as Evan Longoria.... IF is a big word, and you really can't say he would have, because simply he didn't.... that's just a matter of opinion.

He was still facing all new players, so that constitutes being a rookie.

[Venom'sDad]

I understand what you are saying; but concider, he has been a paid professional baseball player for a number of years. He may have bben new to mlb; but he is not and was not a true rookie.

Candace is. She's the first in sports histoy.... great accomplishment.

[Silver Knight]

Amazeing stuff from Candace.

Good for her.

[Nightmare]

Id hit it.

[JaD]

I heard the lakers were interested in Livingston. Nice signing by the heat. Hope he bounces back healthy and has a solid career from here on. How would the clippers feel if that happend?

Four point guards on the roster.

...every damn one of them with a big question mark by their name.:dry:
I read the article about Livingston signing with the Heat. I hope he can bounce back too. But it didn't mention if he's ready to play now. Will he be ready to play when the season starts?

[fu manchu]

Candace Parker is not the first player in all of sports history to win MVP and ROY in the same season. and its NOT Ichiro, either.

[Silver Knight]

Wilt baby.

[Bunker]

I was just gonna say that. :o

[Silver Knight]

It was on Sportscenter today. There are a few more actually.

[Excel]

fred lynn

[Go Web Go!]

Candace Parker is not the first player in all of sports history to win MVP and ROY in the same season. and its NOT Ichiro, either.

Wilt Chamberlain
Jim Brown
Might be a few more...

http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/football/bob_blog/geico.jpg
NEXT TIME DO A LITTLE RESEARCH...

[Go Web Go!]

Pre-season got started tonight. Heat lose to the Pistons in OT. Beasley looking good with 16 on 6-11 shooting.

[Zephyr Alexian]

If the Heat stay healthy, I definitely see them making a 7 or 8 seed . . . at least. I'm thinking between 38 and 43 wins for them.

[Go Web Go!]

Sounds about right, though I wouldn't be surprised if they did better than that. Like you said, it all hangs on whether their top guys can stay out of street clothes.

[Nightmare]

Should be a fun year for the heat. Got nothing to lose. Marion, Wade, Bealsey. They got a nice squad.

[L.A.]

2008-09 Power Rankings: Training Camp
RANK (LAST WK) TEAM REC. COMMENT
1 (1) Celtics 66-16 Slotting the defending champs here has never been more automatic, even though Posey left. Every time we hear someone ask whether they'll be hungry enough to repeat, we want to respond: Boston still has KG, right?
2 (2) Lakers 57-25 For all the concerns -- Bynum's recovery from knee woes, Kobe insisting he doesn't need pinkie surgery and doubts about Bynum, Gasol and Odom co-existing -- who in the West wouldn't trade for the Lakers' issues?
3 (5) Hornets 56-26 You certainly can make the argument -- and I think we're leaning that way -- that the best team in the deadliest division, which delivered four 50-win teams last season, will wind up being Chris Paul's team. Concur?
4 (6) Rockets 55-27 No team in the West made a bigger summer splash than the health-challenged Rockets did when they traded for Artest. Of course, as Yao noted last year: ''We say that every year.'' Cautious optimism is wisest.
5 (8) Spurs 56-26 You know all about the Spurs in odd-numbered years. So dismiss them at your own peril, even if what Duncan declared last season -- ''Our biggest problem is health'' -- is a problem already with Ginobili out early.
6 (15) Cavaliers 45-37 Although trading for Michael Redd was a nice fantasy, getting Mo Williams off the Bucks is hardly a consolation prize. He's a younger version of the Mike -- Bibby -- Cleveland tried for years to add and should give Bron help.
7 (3) Pistons 59-23 The summer certainly would have been more fun had Joe D delivered that shake-up, but you can see why he resisted. For all that closing-window talk, we're talking about a 59-win team whose kids are only getting better.
8 (13) 76ers 40-42 The Sixers were undisputed champs of the offseason, but it's also true that Mr. Brand might lift last season's No. 7s only one spot. Philly can finish anywhere from No. 2 to No. 6, like Cleveland, Detroit, Orlando and Toronto.
9 (4) Jazz 54-28 Is this the last season for Utah's Olympic tag team to work together? With Boozer headed for free agency in the summer, that's the question D-Will and the rest of this Jazz will hear all year, no matter how good they are.
10 (19) Raptors 41-41 I loved the Raps' gamble here. If O'Neal's knees don't hold up, Toronto still can be a .500 team without Ford and Nesterovic. And if he does come back strong? Toronto becomes a threat to the East's beasts in Boston.
11 (10) Mavericks 51-31 Which longtime power is straining harder to keep the window ajar? Dirk, J-Kidd and the under-fire Josh Howard in Dallas? Or their old Phoenix friends who must be equally stunned to start the new season out of the top 10?
12 (7) Suns 55-27 If there's a more compelling mystery in the whole league than finding out what we'll get from the Suns throwing new coach Terry Porter together with Nash, Shaq, Amare and Grant Hill, please point it out to us.
13 (17) Trail Blazers 41-41 Has any non-playoff team for five straight seasons generated expectations like these kids? But the Blazers won't complain if managing expectations (as opposed to the health of Roy and Oden) is their biggest worry.
14 (11) Magic 52-30 Stan Van has made folks in the Magic Kingdom forget that they were ever spurned by Billy Donovan. But Orlando didn't do much to get better in the offseason, so SVG will have to hope getting older is enough.
15 (12) Wizards 43-39 Wiz vets like to say that, when healthy, they're right there with the East's best. Two obvious problems there: 1. Washington is rarely healthy; 2. That statement is increasingly debatable in the (no misprint) improving East.
16 (24) Bucks 26-56 Almost every one of last season's non-playoff teams in the East thinks it can break through this season. Hiring Skiles and acquiring Richard Jefferson arguably gives the Bucks more hope than anyone in that group.
17 (23) Bulls 33-49 Returning to the top eight when PG and coach have no experience won't be easy. A guard glut and the usual low-post void won't help. Can't be harder than winning the Rose lottery with the ninth-best chances, though.
18 (9) Nuggets 50-32 For just the second time in club history, Denver sports a streak of five straight winning seasons. Anyone think the Camby-less Nuggets, with A.I. trade rumors constantly swirling, can play enough D to make it six?
19 (29) Clippers 23-59 Not nearly as down on the Clips' chances as the departed Maggette, who claims homecoming king Baron Davis is "in for a rude awakening." Not ready to say this new team of newsmakers can make the playoffs, either.
20 (14) Warriors 48-34 Q: What's worse than winning 48 games and not making the playoffs? A: Everything that has happened to the Warriors since that April heartbreak, lowlighted by Baron's departure and the Monta Ellis injury saga.
21 (21) Bobcats 32-50 We'd normally see the Bobs as the sort of the team in line for a 10-win spike after hiring a proven winner like Larry Brown. Problem is, Charlotte's roster still is badly flawed. Nor are we sure they're getting vintage Larry.
22 (17) Hawks 37-45 Seeing Childress defect to Greece won't hurt the Hawks nearly as much as the knowledge that 37 wins ain't going to get you a playoff spot this season … and that competition for the No. 8 seed will be far more fierce.
23 (16) Kings 38-44 Bobby Brown's arrival means that we'll be more into them than we've been since Henry Turner and Leon Wood were Kings. For the rest of you, it's a full-on youth movement starring Kevin Martin and little else you'll recognize.
24 (30) Heat 15-67 It doesn't seem outlandish, even after a nosedive to the shameful depths of 15-67, to expect D-Wade, Marion and Beasley to mount a playoff push. Until you realize Coach Spoelstra has almost nothing else to work with.
25 (20) Pacers 36-46 Maybe we should be higher on a team that finished one game shy of the playoffs. Just can't shake the feeling that Indy (a) came up way short on the O'Neal deal and (b) still lacks the right mix to play Obie's way.
26 (25) Knicks 23-59 Donnie W. and D'Antoni have quickly restored some hope to MSG's gloomy halls, but that's a lot easier in the summer when all the focus is on them. Now the players are back to remind everyone how hard their jobs will be.
27 (22) Nets 34-48 Ouch, ouch, ouch. After every other Atlantic team chasing Boston made a big-name snag -- Elton Brand, Jermaine O'Neal, Mike D'Antoni -- rebuilding Jersey was pegged to finish last in the East in ESPN's staff poll.
28 (28) Timberwolves 22-60 The Wolves quietly posted a borderline respectable record of 17-26 after last season's 5-34 start to Life After KG. Yet it's tough to picture Minnesota sustaining that over 82 games, fond as we are of Mike Miller's shooting eye.
29 (26) Grizzlies 22-60 No one is bound to even notice in the West, but the much-maligned Grizz have assembled an intriguing group of kids: O.J. Mayo, Rudy Gay, even Marc Gasol. Which is why trading for Z-Bo to be the vet made no sense.
30 (27) Thunder 20-62 The Hornets averaged 38.5 wins in OKC's previous stint as an NBA city. The Thunder? Dare we say 28 wins would represent success for a group that still offers precious little to thrill those loud crowds beyond Kevin Durant.

[Silver Knight]

My Hornets start the new year with a W.

Get used to it folks!

[Ben Urich]

Stoudemire got his eye ****ed-up in scrimmage the other day and will wear goggles for the rest of his career. :o

lol Boris Diaw rippin' people's irises.

[Nightmare]

Amare's gonna wear Eye Goggles now? Wonder if that'll improve his D.

[Silver Knight]

Stoudemire got his eye ****ed-up in scrimmage the other day and will wear goggles for the rest of his career. :o

lol Boris Diaw rippin' people's irises.
I dont think so..

[Nightmare]

Marbury Sees Himself As Knicks' Starter (http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/54735/20081006/marbury_sees_himself_as_knicks_starter/)


Knicks guard Stephon Marbury, who appeared to have one foot out the door all summer long, sees himself as the starting point guard for the team.
New coach Mike D'Antoni is rumored to view Chris Duhon as the starter, with Marbury coming off the bench as a sixth man.
"You can't assess it yet," Marbury said of his competition with Duhon for the starting gig. "When the 29th comes, when the lights come on, it will be different. It doesn't matter now who is on the court at what position. I know when that the game starts, I'll have the ball or I'll be receiving the ball to make plays for others and myself."

[Zephyr Alexian]

Sounds about right, though I wouldn't be surprised if they did better than that. Like you said, it all hangs on whether their top guys can stay out of street clothes.

I think they're that sleeper team that will surprise a lot of people. I'm not sure how far Beasley will make it before he hits that rookie wall, but I know Marion's contract year will probably make him hustle like he's an All-Star.

If D-Wade plays like he did during the Olympic campaign, they might have a shot at giving Orlando a scare, but I still think that claim is a bit of a long shot.

[Raiden]

So, what do you guys think about Jose Calderon? It seems like this could be his breakout year in Toronto after T.J. Ford was traded. I'm interested because he's in my fantasy team and someone wanted to trade his Tracy McGrady and Emeka Okafor for him.

[Go Web Go!]

someone wanted to trade his Tracy McGrady and Emeka Okafor for him.

Tell this person to get off the internet.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Tell this person to get off the internet.


Actually Raiden should get off the internet for not taking that trade now!

Emeka alone is worth that trade for Calderon. I don't care if this is his break out year. Good big men that put up rebound, shooting % and scoring numbers are a lot fewer and in between than good point guards.

[Nightmare]

Do it raiden!!

[Spidey17]

Just curious if anyone knew a site that archived past NBA seasons, I just feel like watching some old W's to combat my boredom. Even only Spurs games would be fine, since I'm a Spurs fan.

[Silver Knight]

So, what do you guys think about Jose Calderon? It seems like this could be his breakout year in Toronto after T.J. Ford was traded. I'm interested because he's in my fantasy team and someone wanted to trade his Tracy McGrady and Emeka Okafor for him.
He is a above average pg.

[Double Down]

2008-09 Power Rankings: Training Camp
RANK (LAST WK) TEAM REC. COMMENT
1 (1) Celtics 66-16 Slotting the defending champs here has never been more automatic, even though Posey left. Every time we hear someone ask whether they'll be hungry enough to repeat, we want to respond: Boston still has KG, right?
2 (2) Lakers 57-25 For all the concerns -- Bynum's recovery from knee woes, Kobe insisting he doesn't need pinkie surgery and doubts about Bynum, Gasol and Odom co-existing -- who in the West wouldn't trade for the Lakers' issues?
3 (5) Hornets 56-26 You certainly can make the argument -- and I think we're leaning that way -- that the best team in the deadliest division, which delivered four 50-win teams last season, will wind up being Chris Paul's team. Concur?
4 (6) Rockets 55-27 No team in the West made a bigger summer splash than the health-challenged Rockets did when they traded for Artest. Of course, as Yao noted last year: ''We say that every year.'' Cautious optimism is wisest.
5 (8) Spurs 56-26 You know all about the Spurs in odd-numbered years. So dismiss them at your own peril, even if what Duncan declared last season -- ''Our biggest problem is health'' -- is a problem already with Ginobili out early.
6 (15) Cavaliers 45-37 Although trading for Michael Redd was a nice fantasy, getting Mo Williams off the Bucks is hardly a consolation prize. He's a younger version of the Mike -- Bibby -- Cleveland tried for years to add and should give Bron help.
7 (3) Pistons 59-23 The summer certainly would have been more fun had Joe D delivered that shake-up, but you can see why he resisted. For all that closing-window talk, we're talking about a 59-win team whose kids are only getting better.
8 (13) 76ers 40-42 The Sixers were undisputed champs of the offseason, but it's also true that Mr. Brand might lift last season's No. 7s only one spot. Philly can finish anywhere from No. 2 to No. 6, like Cleveland, Detroit, Orlando and Toronto.
9 (4) Jazz 54-28 Is this the last season for Utah's Olympic tag team to work together? With Boozer headed for free agency in the summer, that's the question D-Will and the rest of this Jazz will hear all year, no matter how good they are.
10 (19) Raptors 41-41 I loved the Raps' gamble here. If O'Neal's knees don't hold up, Toronto still can be a .500 team without Ford and Nesterovic. And if he does come back strong? Toronto becomes a threat to the East's beasts in Boston.
11 (10) Mavericks 51-31 Which longtime power is straining harder to keep the window ajar? Dirk, J-Kidd and the under-fire Josh Howard in Dallas? Or their old Phoenix friends who must be equally stunned to start the new season out of the top 10?
12 (7) Suns 55-27 If there's a more compelling mystery in the whole league than finding out what we'll get from the Suns throwing new coach Terry Porter together with Nash, Shaq, Amare and Grant Hill, please point it out to us.
13 (17) Trail Blazers 41-41 Has any non-playoff team for five straight seasons generated expectations like these kids? But the Blazers won't complain if managing expectations (as opposed to the health of Roy and Oden) is their biggest worry.
14 (11) Magic 52-30 Stan Van has made folks in the Magic Kingdom forget that they were ever spurned by Billy Donovan. But Orlando didn't do much to get better in the offseason, so SVG will have to hope getting older is enough.
15 (12) Wizards 43-39 Wiz vets like to say that, when healthy, they're right there with the East's best. Two obvious problems there: 1. Washington is rarely healthy; 2. That statement is increasingly debatable in the (no misprint) improving East.
16 (24) Bucks 26-56 Almost every one of last season's non-playoff teams in the East thinks it can break through this season. Hiring Skiles and acquiring Richard Jefferson arguably gives the Bucks more hope than anyone in that group.
17 (23) Bulls 33-49 Returning to the top eight when PG and coach have no experience won't be easy. A guard glut and the usual low-post void won't help. Can't be harder than winning the Rose lottery with the ninth-best chances, though.
18 (9) Nuggets 50-32 For just the second time in club history, Denver sports a streak of five straight winning seasons. Anyone think the Camby-less Nuggets, with A.I. trade rumors constantly swirling, can play enough D to make it six?
19 (29) Clippers 23-59 Not nearly as down on the Clips' chances as the departed Maggette, who claims homecoming king Baron Davis is "in for a rude awakening." Not ready to say this new team of newsmakers can make the playoffs, either.
20 (14) Warriors 48-34 Q: What's worse than winning 48 games and not making the playoffs? A: Everything that has happened to the Warriors since that April heartbreak, lowlighted by Baron's departure and the Monta Ellis injury saga.
21 (21) Bobcats 32-50 We'd normally see the Bobs as the sort of the team in line for a 10-win spike after hiring a proven winner like Larry Brown. Problem is, Charlotte's roster still is badly flawed. Nor are we sure they're getting vintage Larry.
22 (17) Hawks 37-45 Seeing Childress defect to Greece won't hurt the Hawks nearly as much as the knowledge that 37 wins ain't going to get you a playoff spot this season … and that competition for the No. 8 seed will be far more fierce.
23 (16) Kings 38-44 Bobby Brown's arrival means that we'll be more into them than we've been since Henry Turner and Leon Wood were Kings. For the rest of you, it's a full-on youth movement starring Kevin Martin and little else you'll recognize.
24 (30) Heat 15-67 It doesn't seem outlandish, even after a nosedive to the shameful depths of 15-67, to expect D-Wade, Marion and Beasley to mount a playoff push. Until you realize Coach Spoelstra has almost nothing else to work with.
25 (20) Pacers 36-46 Maybe we should be higher on a team that finished one game shy of the playoffs. Just can't shake the feeling that Indy (a) came up way short on the O'Neal deal and (b) still lacks the right mix to play Obie's way.
26 (25) Knicks 23-59 Donnie W. and D'Antoni have quickly restored some hope to MSG's gloomy halls, but that's a lot easier in the summer when all the focus is on them. Now the players are back to remind everyone how hard their jobs will be.
27 (22) Nets 34-48 Ouch, ouch, ouch. After every other Atlantic team chasing Boston made a big-name snag -- Elton Brand, Jermaine O'Neal, Mike D'Antoni -- rebuilding Jersey was pegged to finish last in the East in ESPN's staff poll.
28 (28) Timberwolves 22-60 The Wolves quietly posted a borderline respectable record of 17-26 after last season's 5-34 start to Life After KG. Yet it's tough to picture Minnesota sustaining that over 82 games, fond as we are of Mike Miller's shooting eye.
29 (26) Grizzlies 22-60 No one is bound to even notice in the West, but the much-maligned Grizz have assembled an intriguing group of kids: O.J. Mayo, Rudy Gay, even Marc Gasol. Which is why trading for Z-Bo to be the vet made no sense.
30 (27) Thunder 20-62 The Hornets averaged 38.5 wins in OKC's previous stint as an NBA city. The Thunder? Dare we say 28 wins would represent success for a group that still offers precious little to thrill those loud crowds beyond Kevin Durant.

I think the Hornets will be better than the Lakers this year.

[Silver Knight]

I think the Hornets will be better than the Lakers this year.
My boys are going to win the Chip!

[Zephyr Alexian]

My boys are going to win the Chip!

It's a point guard's league right now, so they definitely have a shot, but David West's back has to be 100 percent for that reality to occur.

[Silver Knight]

The finals start in June brother.

[Go Web Go!]

Antawn Jamison sprained his knee. Things aren't looking so good for the Wizards to start off the season.

[Bond]

I downloaded the NBA 2K9 demo. It's... exactly like the last one.

[Ben Urich]

So, what do you guys think about Jose Calderon? It seems like this could be his breakout year in Toronto after T.J. Ford was traded. I'm interested because he's in my fantasy team and someone wanted to trade his Tracy McGrady and Emeka Okafor for him.

He's good enough to start for the East in the All-Star game, and it's a travishamockery that he didn't make it last year. If he weren't such a ***** -- moaning about Olympic officiating, making that obnoxious "3" sign every time he makes a three-pointer -- he'd be one of my favorite players.

[Silver Knight]

Antawn Jamison sprained his knee. Things aren't looking so good for the Wizards to start off the season.
Same old for the Wiz.

[Raiden]

I think the Hornets will be better than the Lakers this year.

I don't think so. Lakers were better than Hornets last year, and this year they are getting Byrum back (who was quite impressive in his season debut vs Jazz last night). With Kobe, Pasol, Byrum, and Odom, I think Lakers will still be the team to beat in the West.

[Go Web Go!]

I don't think so. Lakers were better than Hornets last year, and this year they are getting Byrum back (who was quite impressive in his season debut vs Jazz last night). With Kobe, Pasol, Byrum, and Odom, I think Lakers will still be the team to beat in the West.

ByNum :cwink:

[Raiden]

ByNum :cwink:

:funny:

[Zephyr Alexian]

Winters is a little concerned about Bynum's ability to play with Gasol in the front court; I think he'll adjust, but who knows.

Go Lakers.:o

Memphis looks like they're one man and a few years away from becoming a serious playoff threat. They might even make the Eastern conference playoffs as an 8 seed this year...er, if that were possible.

[Docker2.0]

Anyone see Marbury on ESPN saying he'd accept being a backup to Duhon since he was named Knick's starting PG? Like he has much choice. :whatever: :o Dude is such a team cancer! The thought of him still being in the league, worst my favorite team............:cmad:

[Go Web Go!]

Memphis looks like they're one man and a few years away from becoming a serious playoff threat. They might even make the Eastern conference playoffs as an 8 seed this year...er, if that were possible.

There are plenty of borderline teams in the West that would make the playoffs if they were in the East. Portland's up there, Golden State too, but Memphis? That's pushing it, I think.

[Silver Knight]

Winters is a little concerned about Bynum's ability to play with Gasol in the front court; I think he'll adjust, but who knows.

Go Lakers.:o

Memphis looks like they're one man and a few years away from becoming a serious playoff threat. They might even make the Eastern conference playoffs as an 8 seed this year...er, if that were possible.
Memphis has the worst front line in the L. If they can get a legit big they will be a great team. Great team.

The Mayo-Gay combo has future championship all over it.

[Go Web Go!]

The Mayo-Gay combo has future championship all over it.

Or as I call them...GAYO! :csad:

Seriously though, it's obviously a little early for ''championship combo'' talk, but it can happen. What they would need somewhere down the road is a 3rd piece to compliment them both. They have the cash to make a big signing next offseason or in 2010.

[Raiden]

Memphis has the worst front line in the L. If they can get a legit big they will be a great team. Great team.

The Mayo-Gay combo has future championship all over it.

With West as tough as it is, I think it's still a stretch to say the Grizzlies will be a playoff contenter. Heck, Warriors had a stellar season and they didn't make the cut. But with the decline of elite teams like Suns, maybe they will have a shot several years down the line.

[Silver Knight]

Or as I call them...GAYO! :csad:

Seriously though, it's obviously a little early for ''championship combo'' talk, but it can happen. What they would need somewhere down the road is a 3rd piece to compliment them both. They have the cash to make a big signing next offseason or in 2010.
I said if they get a legit big. I didnt say championship anytime soon.

[Zephyr Alexian]

There are plenty of borderline teams in the West that would make the playoffs if they were in the East. Portland's up there, Golden State too, but Memphis? That's pushing it, I think.

I seriously think that they could make an 8th seed in the East this year. The Wizards are facing injuries and I would take them over the Knicks, Pacers, Bobcats, Bulls, and the Nets. Depending on how that Jefferson trade works out(if he's still healthy that is; I don't trust his ankle or wrist), they might outplay the Bucks, but at this point, I give Redd and company a little bit more credit than that.

Still, don't let it surprise you if Memphis starts to rise to the middle of the pack. I see San Antonio, Dallas, and Phoenix on the verge of dropping due to bad trades, lack of good acquisitions, and potential injuries.

I said if they get a legit big. I didnt say championship anytime soon.
That's what I'm thinking. A big man to shore up their defense and the right power/swing forward like say: Shawn Marion, and this team could really go someplace. They do need another coach.:o

[Go Web Go!]

That's what I'm thinking. A big man to shore up their defense and the right power/swing forward like say: Shawn Marion, and this team could really go someplace. They do need another coach.:o

Maybe if Marion wasn't pushing 30. Let's say (hypothetically) that Memphis signs/acquires Marion. By the time the the younger pieces around them are hitting their prime, he'd be steadily declining. What they would need is a big man. Teams nowaday just don't get anywhere without a legit big man in the middle.

[Zephyr Alexian]

That's true, but you never know: Portland wanted to trade Lamarcus Aldrige at one time. That's the type of guy I see going to Memphis. As for a center, I definitely agree with both of you, but I just don't see a deal that could work. I doubt they would want Eddie Curry or even Zack Randolph(yeah, he's a pf, but he could play center when he actually tries) at that position.

Who knows, maybe Darko will actually become more than the European Kwame Brown.*snickers*

Time will tell, but I still think this team is going to make some surges in the next few years. They're a huge dark horse, but if those guys can gel, their youth makes them dangerous.

[Silver Knight]

I seriously think that they could make an 8th seed in the East this year. The Wizards are facing injuries and I would take them over the Knicks, Pacers, Bobcats, Bulls, and the Nets. Depending on how that Jefferson trade works out(if he's still healthy that is; I don't trust his ankle or wrist), they might outplay the Bucks, but at this point, I give Redd and company a little bit more credit than that.

Still, don't let it surprise you if Memphis starts to rise to the middle of the pack. I see San Antonio, Dallas, and Phoenix on the verge of dropping due to bad trades, lack of good acquisitions, and potential injuries.


That's what I'm thinking. A big man to shore up their defense and the right power/swing forward like say: Shawn Marion, and this team could really go someplace. They do need another coach.:oMatrix is not the awnser.

[Zephyr Alexian]

He was just an example of the type of consistent athletic big that could give them an edge.

[Silver Knight]

He was just an example of the type of consistent athletic big that could give them an edge.
Al Jefferson is that man.

[Go Web Go!]

Isn't he locked down for quite some time?

[Zephyr Alexian]

Oh def.:up: He's a monster from 10ft inward. ^Jefferson signed an extension with Minnesota but I'm not sure how long it's for.

[Go Web Go!]

. ^Jefferson signed an extension with Minnesota but I'm not sure how long it's for.

Thought so. It's for 5 years after looking it up.

[Zephyr Alexian]

I wonder how he and Kevin Love will work out together in the paint.

[Nightmare]

i wonder how Rudy Gay, Hakim Warrick, and OJ mayo will work together.

[Zephyr Alexian]

A lot of skeptics are questioning that combo, but if they establish their roles, they'll come along.

[Go Web Go!]

Heat/Nets is on ESPN2 - and I can't watch because I'm FREAKIN' working. Egh.

[Docker2.0]

Looking at this game, Miami really has talent. NJ does to but they are asking for Vince "soft"Carter to lead them. That's like asking a mouse to tell you to beat a pitbull. :huh:

[Go Web Go!]

I'm surpised they even hung on to VC. They got rid of Kidd and Jefferson within the last half year, but still stuck with Carter in the middle of rebuilding the team? I know he has a big fat (and NEW) contract that isn't too appealing, but I figured some desperate team would throw an offer at the Nets.

[Zephyr Alexian]

:hehe: :bow:

[Zephyr Alexian]

For Vinsanity? No thanks. That contract is fool's gold. If you think acquiring J Kidd was bad for Dallas, wait and see what happens to the team that tries to get Carter. Who wants an aging two guard who refuses to play man defense consistently?

He is still a great scorer, but he's a huge liability on defense. If a guy gets a step on him, his team is lucky if he swipes.:o

[Docker2.0]

Speaking of Vince, he got hurt again. :dry: Dude is about as good as used toilet tissue! I've never seen a dude place on the DL becuase of insect bites.

[Nightmare]

LOL, no suprise there.

Brandon Haywood out 4-6 months really craps all over the Wizards. They could get off to a real slow start with all their injuries.

[Zephyr Alexian]

Brendan Haywood? Please, Washington's team has been without a big man for longer than most of the households in the DC area.:o

Speaking of Vince, he got hurt again. Dude is about as good as used toilet tissue! I've never seen a dude place on the DL becuase of insect bites.
Hahahahahaha. Vince's 'I'm hurt' routine is getting old. I'm not familiar with the incident, but it wouldn't surprise me if this was a subtle way at possibly forcing NJ to trade him.

[Bond]

Has anyone else gotten NBA Live 09 yet?

[Nightmare]

Brendan Haywood? Please, Washington's team has been without a big man for longer than most of the households in the DC area.:o


ok? My point was they have a ton of injuries. Haywood included.

[Zephyr Alexian]

j/king.

I hear you. Losing Jamison is going to hurt them tremendously. He's a guaranteed 20/10 guy on almost every night. We all know what Gilbert was capable of and I hope that he makes it back because I actually liked seeing the Wizards steadily improve. Jordan knows his stuff as a coach, but he needs to hire an assistant coach who's a defensive specialist.

Haywood? I would take a healthy Etan Thomas over him because Etan plays tough physical basketball. It took Haywood 4 years in the league to develop some semblance of a post game. Eddie Jordan had to practically beg him to move his feet on defense and he's been somewhat of a bust since he left UNC. I usually loathe to agree with Charles Barkley on many things, but he was right about Haywood when he called him soft and unmotivated. The Wizards need to find another big.

[Double Down]

The Cavs tried to get Vince Carter but the Nets wouldn't trade him.

[Go Web Go!]

I think the Nets did the Cavs a favor there...

[Zephyr Alexian]

Carter left the Nets/Heat pre-season game limping; I don't think it's serious, but the guy is too injury prone.

[Silver Knight]

Has anyone else gotten NBA Live 09 yet?
No, but 2K9 is crazy good.

[Ghostvirus]

Has anyone heard about the Radio DJ claiming that Magic faked AIDS?:dry:

[Zephyr Alexian]

Twin Cities radio duo: Magic fakes having AIDS


A Twin Cities talk-radio duo agreed on the air that pro basketball legend Magic Johnson has been faking having AIDS, prompting a harsh denouncement today from the NBA legend and a concession from the station.

The brief exchange Wednesday regarding Johnson, who has been HIV-positive since 1991, came on the politically conservative KTLK Radio (100.3 FM) between on-air personalities Chris Baker and Langdon Perry.

In a written statement this afternoon, KTLK program director Steve Versnick said that despite the Baker and Perry's "off-hand remarks," the station "recognizes the seriousness of the health issues presented by HIV/AIDS -- and the great work that Magic Johnson has done across the nation in calling attention to this disease, and the importance of HIV testing and treatment."

He added that KTLK will be airing HIV/AIDS awareness public service announcements and will reach out to Johnson for his thought on educating the public. Versnick declinded to say whether either Baker or Perry faced any discipline by the station.
On the air this morning, Baker characterized what he and Perry said as "not news. ... With everything going on right now, that someone would focus on something so stupid; three seconds of radio out of a four-second show."
The comments about the NBA Hall of Famer gained nationwide exposure through the liberal watchdog blog "Media Matters for America," which posted the audio and a transcript, which reads in part:
PERRY: What about diseases that are eminently treatable and you can live with for a long, long time quite healthily if you just get some basic drugs?
BAKER: Like Magic Johnson.
PERRY: Like Magic with his faked AIDS. Magic faked AIDS.
BAKER: You think Magic faked AIDS for sympathy?
PERRY: I'm convinced that Magic faked AIDS.
BAKER: Yeah, me too.
PERRY: It falls apart --
BAKER: Which is horrible.
PERRY: -- when you get into motivation. I'm not sure why, but I'm pretty sure he faked AIDS.
BAKER: I've got a great e-mail here from --
PERRY: 'Cause he's the only cured AIDS guy ever.

j/k maybe? Nobody's laughing, but still. . .

[Nightmare]

Did they get fired?

[Go Web Go!]

Idiots. Here's hoping they do lose their jobs.

[Silver Knight]

My Hornets looking real good so far.

[Mister J]

Ellis Gets 30-Game Suspension For Being a Lying Idiot (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3638098)

[Tigerking]

Another season, another year for the Pistons to go to the Eastern Conference Finals and lose...

[Go Web Go!]

Ellis Gets 30-Game Suspension For Being a Lying Idiot (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3638098)

Everyone point and laugh. :woot:

[Zephyr Alexian]

3 million gone for joyriding on a moped? Wow.:down

On the other hand, I commend the Warriors for actually having the balls to discipline their best player. Hope it doesn't affect their season.

[Nightmare]

The Warriors counted four preseason games in the suspension's length, which means Ellis can't return to the club until after Golden State's 26th regular-season game, against Indiana on Dec. 17.


heh

[Silver Knight]

Ellis Gets 30-Game Suspension For Being a Lying Idiot (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3638098)
Good he deserves it.

[Go Web Go!]

3 million gone for joyriding on a moped? Wow.:down

On the other hand, I commend the Warriors for actually having the balls to discipline their best player. Hope it doesn't affect their season.

1. Such an activity is AGAINST the rules of his contract.
2. They could have gone as far as to nullify his deal. He's lucky they didn't.
3. It's not so ballsy when he's out until December or January with the injury anyway.

[Zephyr Alexian]

It takes some cajones to do that; Nelson and Mullin are in their final years with the Warriors and there has been no talk of extensions. If they leave, this move might cause Ellis to want out with a trade as well. The Owner's punished him; Nelly and CM were not going to.

[Ben Urich]

$3 million is a lot of money for a guy who earned a total of $1.8 million in his first three years in the league. That second-round salary scale is a *****.

[Ben Urich]

ps did anyone watch the outdoor game between the Suns and Nuggets the other night? So awful I could only watch the first half. I don't think either team shot better than 32%. :dry:

Robin Lopez had 7 blocks. :huh:

[Nightmare]

How good is the "moon" guy from toronto?

Is CJ Watson from the warriors a good pg?

Who is Miami's starting pg?

[Ben Urich]

1. He's okay. Not much of a shooter. Can jump out of the gym, though.
2. Probably, yeah. He was ahead of Marcus Williams last I heard, and I doubt Dan Dickau poses much of a threat.
3. It seems to be down to either Chris Quinn or Marcus Banks. Mario Chalmers has been awful in preseason, and Shaun Livingston is still several months away from being able to contribute meaningfully.

[Nightmare]

Wow, thanks dude :up:

[Mister J]

I really thought Marcus Williams would be more of an impact player by now.

Last time Ira spoke on it, Spoelstra projected Quinn as the starter. Yep, I'm scared.

[Silver Knight]

Marcus Williams = bust.

[Go Web Go!]

Last time Ira spoke on it, Spoelstra projected Quinn as the starter.

When I first read this I thought I saw "rejected" not ''projected''

*Sigh*

[Nightmare]

Do they heat have a good bench? I dont really recognize any of the names on there.

[Go Web Go!]

Do they heat have a good bench? I dont really recognize any of the names on there.

Ehh, average at best. Beasley is slated to come off the bench to start the season, but it's only a matter of time before he's in the starting 5. After him there's a pretty big drop off. James Jones will produce, Banks maybe, Blount hopefully. Mario Chalmers is a rookie, so he'll have his ups and downs. Hopefully some of the other guys can surprise.

[Zephyr Alexian]

I still think that you guys can get between 35 and 40 wins this season, but Wade and some of the other starters will be playing 40+ for that to happen.

[Go Web Go!]

I still think that you guys can get between 35 and 40 wins this season, but Wade and some of the other starters will be playing 40+ for that to happen.

Sure, that's the number most are expecting, and of course Wade and Beasley (I'd pick him over Marion) have to stay healthy, moreso than anyone else on the team.

[Zephyr Alexian]

I hope they do; you do need Marion though. He's a tough match-up problem during the regular season.

What kind of offense is Spoelstra planning to run?

[Go Web Go!]

Oh, I agree. They most definitely need him to perform in order for them to make a playoff push. I meant Wade needs to stay helathy, followed by Beasley, who I think will have the next most crucial role on the team. Not immediately since he's a rookie, but as the season progresses. After all, it's he and Wade that are the future of this team. Marion's status is up in the air. He can very well be moved by the end of the year - and I wouldn't be opposed to it.

As far as the offense goes, they're looking to run an uptempo kind of offense. Not quite what we're used to seeing from the Suns (pre-Shaq) but attempting to open the floor and take shots early on in the shotclock.

[Zephyr Alexian]

Ha, like the Suns spread? That brings back memories of D'antoni pumping his fist and yelling, '7 seconds or less'.

The Heat should be a fun squad to watch this year if they want to push the tempo more. Did they acquire any more shooters?

[Ben Urich]

James Jones is a three-point ninja. :wow:

[Zephyr Alexian]

Wow. 40 percent career average is insane!!! I didn't know his was that high. I know about JJ, but do they have anyone else? They should've kept Capono, but I don't know if that was possible.

[Go Web Go!]

It would have been nice to keep Kapono after a career year, but that Raptors threw too much money at him - and he wasn't worth it. One of the best shooters in the leage, but he's a turnstyle on defense.

Also, has a hot wife.

[Ben Urich]

Kapono got the mid-level in 07. Yeah, good move for Miami to let him go. That's too much for a specialist.

[Go Web Go!]

Kapono got the mid-level in 07. Yeah, good move for Miami to let him go. That's too much for a specialist.

I do hate the fact that they let Posey walk. They weren't willing to offer him more than a one year deal for whatever reason.

We all know how that turned out. :csad:

[Zephyr Alexian]

What? Why didn't they want to give him more? Was it because of Shaq's contract?

Riley and co. swindled Steve Kerr. Big time.

[Go Web Go!]

That might have had something to do with it, but from what I remember it was mostly because Riley just wasn't up for offering him a long-term deal. Shame. Riles is usually dead-on.

[Silver Knight]

It would have been nice to keep Kapono after a career year, but that Raptors threw too much money at him - and he wasn't worth it. One of the best shooters in the leage, but he's a turnstyle on defense.

Also, has a hot wife.
Pics of his wife?

[Go Web Go!]

Pics of his wife?

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/182/431084231_2ea2e3718d.jpg

[L.A.]

...

[Docker2.0]

Eh. I've seen better. I'd say she's a 7.5. I'd hit but again.............meh.

[Go Web Go!]

Meh?

I'd like to see what you're pulling if that's a 7, my friend...and send them over this way.

[Nightmare]

I like her arms. Sexy.

[Silver Knight]

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/182/431084231_2ea2e3718d.jpg
Dude, shes ok at best.

[Nightmare]

She's no Vanessa :cmad:

http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/3194/getimgps5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Silver Knight]

Hornets up by 41 in the 2nd?

[Go Web Go!]

Dude, shes ok at best.

I'm sorry. I guess I'm just a sucker for boobage.

Seriously though, 10x hotter in person. That was the only picture I found. Sorry for any letdown. :csad:

[Nightmare]

10x hotter in person? You met her?

[Go Web Go!]

I went to the "Family Fest" event the Heat put on every year, so yeah, I got a good look at her when I went 2 or 3 years ago. Didn't "meet" her though.

[L.A.]

Devin Harris gets school by some white boy!!!

Ysv3v7uXblw

[Go Web Go!]

That's pretty bad. There's your future, NJ.

[Docker2.0]

Meh?

I'd like to see what you're pulling if that's a 7, my friend...and send them over this way. My girl is hot. :o

Dude, shes ok at best. :up:

She's no Vanessa :cmad:

http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/3194/getimgps5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
agreed! :wow:

[Nightmare]

Devin Harris gets school by some white boy!!!

Ysv3v7uXblw

lol @ "Some white boy"

[Zephyr Alexian]

Devin Harris gets school by some white boy!!!

Ysv3v7uXblw
haha, at the end of it, Harris had that "oh ****, this will probably end up on youtube look.":D

and this thread was a face palm virgin.

Until now: :facepalm

[Silver Knight]

Devin Harris gets school by some white boy!!!

Ysv3v7uXblw
Awesome.

[Darthphere]

Devin Harris gets school by some white boy!!!

Ysv3v7uXblw

So this guy will be leading the English team in 2012 right?:huh: