The Avengers roster for 2012

[ProfeZZor X]

Found this article on Latino Review today, but there was nowhere to put it here on SHH, so I figured this forum would be as good as any, since Iron Man is one of the names on Marvel's Avengers list:

http://latinoreview.com/news/names-of-the-avengers-marvel-will-feature-4918

The shock wave that was felt around the movie world. It was subtle, and missed by most people since it was tucked away like an after thought. If you left before the credits rolled, like most people did…. you missed it. Then the release of The Incredible Hulk did it too. You know what I’m talking about, that commercial, with Him in it. Saying the same thing Sam Jackson said to him at the end of Iron Man. It was five words that made every comic book fan squeal with delight. “We’re putting together a team”.

It’s that Holy **** moment you’ve always thought would be cool, but no one would have the balls to do it, because….well because its just not done that way. Well the fans have spoken, and Marvel is listening.
It’s a done deal that Marvel will be making The Avengers featuring their most prominent superheroes on the same silver screen (or dare I say digital screen) for the first time. Now the question on everyone’s mind is who? Who will be the featured heroes?

Iron Man director Jon Favreau, who is developing a sequel to be released in April 2010, says Marvel's plan is "to team up the heroes for The Avengers, which is made up of all of the Marvel heroes they have the rights to."
And which characters do they have the rights to exactly?
Favreau says the team's lineup has changed throughout the years, "but the ones Marvel is talking about now are Captain America, Hulk, Thor, Ant-Man and Iron Man. I would love to see that."

So there it is…the best of the best Marvel has to offer on one screen! Even just reading it, doesn’t allow you to appreciate how spectacular this can be!

Kevin Feige, Marvel Studios' president of production, confirms that he's working toward the day when "heroes can cross into each other's adventures and occasionally team up if there's a foe too great for any one of them to handle." He and screenwriter Zak Penn (X2: X-Men United, Elektra, X-Men: The Last Stand, The Incredible Hulk) are uniting to get Avengers in theaters by summer 2011.

The story continues to give you each here that will be featured and lists his origin, and release date for the film. I always strive to make things easy for my readers so you can either click here to go to the link, or I’ll just list the names below. Either way, its going to be fun the next few years for comic books world wide!

Thor
Release date: Solo film to be released June 4, 2010
Screenwriter: Mark Protosevich (I Am Legend)
Origin: Disabled medical student Donald Blake discovers a mighty hammer that transforms him into his alter ego, the Norse warrior Thor. Lee recalls meeting years ago with Fabio, the romance-novel cover boy, about playing the part. "Someone brought him up to my office to see if he could play Thor," Lee says. "Visually, he would have been good, but in those days we weren't even in a position to do a movie." Lee says Thor "will have to be someone big and strong and kind of blondish. And there should be a nobility."

Ant-Man
Release date: Solo film, but timing not yet available
Director: Edgar Wright (Shaun of the Dead)
Screenwriters: Wright and Joe Cornish
Origin: Biochemist Hank Pym can alter his size as well as communicate with and control insects. Ant-Man creator Stan Lee recently had lunch with Wright to discuss the direction of the film. "There's never been a hero like this in the movies," Lee says. "I did one comic book called The Man in the Ant Hill about a guy who shrunk down and there were ants or bees chasing him. That sold so well that I thought making him into a superhero might be fun."

The First Avenger: Captain America
Release date: Solo film to be released May 6, 2011
Origin: Captain America made his debut in 1941 as lowly U.S. Army Pvt. Steve Rogers. "We had him peeling spuds," creator Joe Simon recalls. "The government shot him up with a super-serum, which made him the first of what was to be an army of superheroes." Simon and comic-book artist Jack Kirby, who died in 1994, created the character during World War II as an all-American adversary to Adolf Hitler. "We were a war-consumed nation, just like today," he says. "Hitler was a comic foil for our character, and every comic sold out that first year." Simon now suggests that Osama bin Laden might be an appropriate foe for Captain America to pursue. But Captain America more likely will take on his most famous adversary, the Red Skull — a Nazi (later turned Communist) introduced by Simon in Captain America Comics #1.

Nick Fury
Release date: Not intended as a solo film, but character will appear in The Avengers universe in summer 2011
Origin: Lee introduced the character in 1963 in the war magazine Sgt. Fury and His Howling Commandos. "It did very well," Lee says. "But after a couple of years, I got bored with it and wanted to kill it. Years later, I got a lot of fan mail asking, 'What happened to Sgt. Fury?' In those days, there was a popular show called The Man from U.N.C.L.E., so I brought Nick back as a colonel for S.H.I.E.L.D.: Supreme Headquarters, International Espionage, Law-Enforcement Division."

[FountainDrink]

I thought this thread was going to be for speculation on the roster, anyways, I'll throw my perfect team out there:

Captain America
Thor
Iron Man
Hulk
Giant-man (No Ant-man, lets have Pym be big!)
Wasp
Vision (not really a must but I like the character)

[Iron Avenger]

the only one on there that I find questionable would be Ant-man.

Personally, I'm not too familiar with the character, but I don't know how popular he would be with the general public ( no offense to Ant-man fans.....lol ).

[Iron Avenger]

also, we would need to have several strong female heroes on the team.

Besides Wasp ( isn't she Ant-man's wife ), what other female avengers could there be?

[FountainDrink]

Scarlet Witch, but that brings up the whole "Does Fox have the rights to her?" question.

[FountainDrink]

Oh, I almost forgot, Black Widow would be "A-Okay" as well.

[The Question]

Judging by the movies that are coming out, the most likely line up would seem to be:

Captain America
Iron Man
Thor
Hulk
Giant Man (Hank Pym)
Ant Man (Scott Lang)
The Wasp

[ProfeZZor X]

I definitely wouldn't object to cameos of the Wasp, Black Widow, Scarlet Witch or Ms. Marvel at the Avengers' headquarters, if Marvel was focusing more on the guys setting out on a mission - even showing up during the final fight to lend a hand to the guys.

[fu manchu]

Found this article on Latino Review today, but there was nowhere to put it here on SHH, so I figured this forum would be as good as any, since Iron Man is one of the names on Marvel's Avengers list:

http://latinoreview.com/news/names-of-the-avengers-marvel-will-feature-4918

i would've put it in the Marvel Films forum.

Thor
Release date: Solo film to be released June 4, 2010
Screenwriter: Mark Protosevich (I Am Legend)
Origin: Disabled medical student Donald Blake discovers a mighty hammer that transforms him into his alter ego, the Norse warrior Thor. Lee recalls meeting years ago with Fabio, the romance-novel cover boy, about playing the part. "Someone brought him up to my office to see if he could play Thor," Lee says. "Visually, he would have been good, but in those days we weren't even in a position to do a movie." Lee says Thor "will have to be someone big and strong and kind of blondish. And there should be a nobility."

looks like they dodge bullet there, i would rather have them cast Triple H than Fabio. But hopefully they can found a better actor for the part. also i think i heard rumor he might be in Iron Man 2.

Nick Fury
Release date: Not intended as a solo film, but character will appear in The Avengers universe in summer 2011
Origin: Lee introduced the character in 1963 in the war magazine Sgt. Fury and His Howling Commandos. "It did very well," Lee says. "But after a couple of years, I got bored with it and wanted to kill it. Years later, I got a lot of fan mail asking, 'What happened to Sgt. Fury?' In those days, there was a popular show called The Man from U.N.C.L.E., so I brought Nick back as a colonel for S.H.I.E.L.D.: Supreme Headquarters, International Espionage, Law-Enforcement Division."

i thought there was going to be a solo film with Nick Fury. oh well, maybe after the first avenger movie.

[JerseyJoker]

2011 will be a busy year for Marvel, i hope DC is planning something big too.

Cause with Avengers, Capt, and the planned Spidey 4. Marvel will dominate that year.

[FountainDrink]

Marvel dominates every year they release movies.

[JerseyJoker]

That is a good point.

I forgot Marvel knows how to market their movies, while WB/DC are still trying to figure out how to do something worthwhile with a character not named Batman.

[RonStoppablefan]

This info is very cool, I read that on the other forums. I would also love to see a team up like that.

[The Question]

I definitely wouldn't object to cameos of the Wasp, Black Widow, Scarlet Witch or Ms. Marvel at the Avengers' headquarters, if Marvel was focusing more on the guys setting out on a mission - even showing up during the final fight to lend a hand to the guys.

Wasp was a founding member. I really hope she gets a hell of a lot more than a cameo.

[ProfeZZor X]

Wasp was a founding member. I really hope she gets a hell of a lot more than a cameo.

I'm just saying for budget purposes and time restraints, I think that if Marvel wants to play this movie off well and appeal to it's fans in a cost effective manner, they should continue with the male cast that they selected, and do cameos of the others for a future installment of Avengers. After all, you all know how X-Men turned out with all those characters... Just a movie length television show with little to no major special effects and cutting corners to represent each character's mutant abilities.

[Immortalfire]

This isn't strictly Iron Man related. Moving to Marvel forum...

[The Question]

I'm just saying for budget purposes and time restraints, I think that if Marvel wants to play this movie off well and appeal to it's fans in a cost effective manner, they should continue with the male cast that they selected, and do cameos of the others for a future installment of Avengers. After all, you all know how X-Men turned out with all those characters... Just a movie length television show with little to no major special effects and cutting corners to represent each character's mutant abilities.

I doubt the movie would go horrendously over budget if they gave The Wasp more screen time. And she was a founding member. She deserves said screen time.

[Chewy]

I'm just saying for budget purposes and time restraints, I think that if Marvel wants to play this movie off well and appeal to it's fans in a cost effective manner, they should continue with the male cast that they selected, and do cameos of the others for a future installment of Avengers. After all, you all know how X-Men turned out with all those characters... Just a movie length television show with little to no major special effects and cutting corners to represent each character's mutant abilities.


I don't think appealing to the fans is an issue. I can't see why Marvel wouldn't include Wasp, who is not only one of the 5 original Avengers, but appeals to females as well. Saying Wasp should have a cameo in Avengers is like saying Pepper Potts should have a cameo in IM2.

[alexdunn]

Yeah I bet Wasp will be a main character. T doubt they'll go with an all male roster. I'm thinking she'll be introduced in Ant-Man.

[Lots o lafs]

If avengers is going to be made in 2011 thats BS. That is very dumb. Considering they have already had a couple o ties made.

[Rich Santoro]

Even though she is not a founding member, I would definitely like to see Black Widow in there. She would fit in really good along with the SHIELD backdrop, as a secret agent. She could even be a recipient of a secondary attempt at the Super-Soldier Serum created during the Cold War (since the original was lost) thereby giving her some Super-hero chops (though not to the level as Cap). The serum could be said to slow her aging, making her a cold-war double agent from the 80s (end the Cold War) that is still kicking 35 years later. She could be already included as Fury is going about recruting IM, etc...

And Wasp is a must... She can be the first test subject for the Pym Particles, where the shrinking process creates residual biochemical energy that she can expend in her Wasp-sting blasts.

Along with that, I just hope that we don't see a guy with a horned helmut talking to ants. Leave that to Honey I Shrunk the Kids.

[The IronMan]

Captain America
Iron Man
Thor
Ant Man
Wasp
Ms.Marvel

[Lots o lafs]

Captain America(Similar to alex ross cap), Iron Man(Upgraded suit), Hawkeye(with a cool suit), Thor, luke cage. they will most likely have hulk in it and nick fury.

[Aztec]

The Avengers
Iron Man
Hulk
Thor
Captain America
Ant-Man

I find it difficult to believe that Marvel can have all of these films completed by 2011. I also maintain that Ant-Man will be a mistake.

[marcvader]

Captain America
Ironman
Thor
Wasp
Ant-Man
Hulk(primarily Banner)- only seen as monster during his capture then again in final fight against villain(s) and leaves team for good

[CaptainStacy]

Captain America
Iron Man
Thor
Gi (Ant)-Man
Wasp
Hulk

'Nuff Said. :word:

[ProfeZZor X]

The Avengers
Iron Man
Hulk
Thor
Captain America
Ant-Man

I find it difficult to believe that Marvel can have all of these films completed by 2011. I also maintain that Ant-Man will be a mistake.

I agree with you that making an Ant-Man movie will be a big mistake. But who knows, if it had the same low production values as Daredevil, Electra, or Punisher, then it could work.

[Aztec]

I have a feeling that Janet, aka Wasp, will appear in Ant-Man but not as Wasp. I think at the end of the Avengers movie she will don the costume and enter action.

[shadowdog]

I would think that the first Avengers movie would feature....
Captain America
Ironman
Thor
Hulk
Hank Pym
Wasp
and maybe Vision
with Nick Fury and Black Widow as the SHIELD liasons
basically the roster from the Ultimate Avengers animated films would work

[FaT_tONle]

Vision shouldn't be in it unless they go with Ultron. I am not a fan of Ultron in the first movie since Ant-Man isn't getting his own movie before hand. I mean it's a good villain to introduce Pym. I'd personally use Ultron/Vision for the second or third installment. I also know a lot of people want Black Widow or Hawkeye... though I think six heroes is more than enough. Ideally I'd like to see a Black Widow/Hawkeye (two in one) movie before they become part of the Avengers. Same with Black Panther. I don't think Ant-Man needs his own movie since I don't think the GA will reposnd to a character like that. I just think it's better introducing characters in their own movies first rather than introducing them in Avengers first. Even if they made spinoffs after that it would sort of cheapen things down a bit. It makes sense from a financial standpoint (like what Fox is doing) but ideally I'd give these character their own movie beforehand. Plus it's a good way to build up star power again being that it's unlikely we'd get sequels featuring the same cast/characters over and over again.

[DACrowe]

I think as well Ultron shouldn't appear until the second movie, but save characters like Black Widow and Hawkeye until then as well (I have a feeling for example Hulk will only be in the first one). And don't get too upset, but for a third installment, to avoid redundancy I like the idea of a Civil War movie. I did not like the execution in the comics and while I like Millar as a writer it was poorly written and all of Quesada's publicity stunts (breaking up the FF, making Peter idiotically unmask himself on network television, etc.) ruined it. But toss the story and start from scratch, because the concept is too good to ignore.

[FaT_tONle]

I think Civil War is just too many characters. I don't think it could work in a film. I really can't decide who'd make a kickass villain for a sequel other than Ultron. Ultron is a character that people can buy being that he is of the Terminator type villain. Another guy is Kang but he is too overthetop and I don't think people would respond to favorably to a villain like that. The movie version would require a massive overhaul of the character. Not a fan of Kree-Skrulls either. Maybe a different lineup of the Masters of Evil could work. We just have to see who the villains are in the first movie. I don't think a full blown Masters of Evil/Ultron/Kang would work for the first film. To me... the first film should pretty much be about the formation of the Avengers and it should feature a universal villain that is realistic.

[DACrowe]

You could trim Civil War down. I like the concept, you don't have to use the comics as the storyline though, because the execution there was awful.

[BrlntDsgse]

For the first movie I'd go with Cap, Iron Man, Thor, Giant-Man and the Wasp as the main team, with Hulk as an antagonist early in the film only to be unleashed to help defeat the real enemy later on. And feature Black Widow as a SHIELD agent & Hawkeye as sort of a freelance agent, the kind of guy Fury himself calls on when he needs someone outside of the SHIELD hierarchy proper.

For sequels bring in Scarlet Witch, Quicksilver, and the Vision at least. In a more perfect world we'd hopefully also eventually get Wonder-Man, Black Panther, Ms. Marvel, She-Hulk, The Falcon, Hercules, Black Knight, Photon and maybe even some of the New Avengers.

[Angamb]

I think they shouldn't release Captain America and The avengers in the same year.

I think The Avengers will have more impact if is released one year later, and if is the unique MArvel movie in that year, because the expectation will be bigger.

I'm starting to get excited with this movie, after seeing TI Hulk yesterday.

[batnkevlar]

I'd love for Black Widow, Hawkeye, Quicksilver, and Scarlet Witch (to tie in X-Men) to be in the sequel...

[Angamb]

I have a doubt, Thor still has the same director?

[Terror Inc.]

Captain America
Iron Man
Thor
Ant-Man
Wasp
the Hulk

Why try and change the already great line-up the original Avengers was? And please, no Black Widow, reminds me too much of the ultimate movie. All I could keep thinking was, "She's not in the origin of the Avengers." Bring her in later for all I care, and Hawk too for that matter, but the first movie should be about the original 6 members.

[Terror Inc.]

Huh, didn't see your post Captain Stacy. Yeah you pretty much summed up what I was trying to say. Avengers Assemble!

[Marz69]

I would rather have a Nick Fury solo film than an Ant-Man. SLJ will rock as Nick Fury.

[Triad]

I'd love to see a feature film about Namor. Never been much of a fan of his comics, but always liked this anti-hero character. (His arrogance especially intrigued me) I think that he would transfer to the big screen well, if done right. (Maybe as one of the initial foils in Avengers & later teams up with them against a greater foe?)

[Rich Santoro]

Technically... Captain America was not one of the original members. He was given "founding" status after the fact, but he was not there from day one. So, really there is room to work in characters with a hastenned timeline. Hell, X-Men butchered the membership roster and sequence of participation.

[marcvader]

You know Hollywood will not give us a direct translation of the Avengers especially 616. They already introduced Fury and we know it wouldn't make sense for him not to be in it as he's putting the team together with the help of Stark, direct reference to Ultimates. We also know Cap will be in it. The big question will be how they'll incorporate the thunder god and how much Hulk and how much Banner they'll use in the movie. The other members (Pym/Wasp) will more than likely be relegated to the background ala Colosus.

[Hypestyle]

they must give some really hardcore action in the film.. keep the roster relatively small.. no need for the Legion of Avengers just yet..

[KangConquers]

Team:

Captain America- Leader of the team. Super Soldier found in ice.
Ironman- Billionare financial backer of the team.
Thor- Thunder God believed to be a mutant.
Wasp- Giant-Man's wife, millionare in the fashion industry. *
Giant-Man- Genius scientist who discovered pym particles.
Hulk (Primarily Banner)- Trying to crack the Super Soldier Serum as Banner.

SHIELD Liasons:

Nick Fury- Head of S.H.I.E.L.D., forms the team.
Black Widow- The Avengers S.H.I.E.L.D. Liason. *
Hawkeye- Black Widow's partner + lover. *
Sharon Carter- grand niece of Cap's lover from WW2. Assigned to Cap to help him readjust to the world after 66 years in a cyrogenic sleep. *


Villians:

Loki: The true force behind The Masters of Evil, under the human disguise of Erik Loken, terrorist. (Will of course reveal himself at the final batttle)
Baron Zemo: The grandson of one of Cap's enemies from the 1940s.
Songbird- Baron Zemo's lover + mutant with sonic lungs.*
Power Man- Pym's disgruntled assistant who helped him perfect the Giant-Man formula.*



*= Minor role.

[RAMORE]

Cap
Ironman
Thor
Hawkeye
Wasp
Songbird-you need more girls
Black widow

[Franklin Richards]

Captain America- Leader of the team. Super Soldier found in ice.
Ironman- Billionare financial backer of the team.
Thor- Thunder God believed to be a mutant.
Wasp- Giant-Man's wife, millionare in the fashion industry.
Giant-Man- Genius scientist who discovered pym particles.
Hulk (Primarily Banner)- Trying to crack the Super Soldier Serum as Banner.

SHIELD Liasons:

Nick Fury- Head of S.H.I.E.L.D., forms the team.
Black Widow- The Avengers S.H.I.E.L.D. Liason.
Hawkeye- Black Widow's partner + lover.


kind of like Ultimates. I think Ultimates basically had the perfect team down, and a good arc, I just hated the treatment of the characters personalities.

Throw in Spider-Woman as a SHIELD agent. More chicks.


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[Rich Santoro]

they must give some really hardcore action in the film.. keep the roster relatively small.. no need for the Legion of Avengers just yet.

Agreed...

Cap
Ironman
Hulk
Thor
Antman
Wasp

Cameo of Black Widow as a SHIELD agent (later to become a full Avenger in future films)

Background unmentioned character in a weapons test lab for SHIELD, testing the weight of a hi-tech bow (later to become full Avenger as Hawkeye in future films)

[Hypestyle]

still no headway on a Cap? argh..

[KangConquers]

Throw in Spider-Woman as a SHIELD agent. More chicks.


:thing: :doom: :thing:


I added Sharon Carter as Cap's personal liason who helps him get acquated with 21st century life; remember, They're going to have to deal with Cap's Man out of Time syndrome in this movie.

[Rich Santoro]

By the way... for Thor: I would like to see him as an psuedo-alien. He is from Asgard which is a planet at the core of our galaxy. Due to the stars being relatively clustered in that region of space, the principles of physics are quite different than what we experience here (in Midgard - midpoint of the radius from the core of the galaxy to the outer rim). Beings that evolve in Asgard would be exposed to greater cosmic radiation and gravity... space and time might even be dilated due to the warping of the time-space continuum, caused by all that energy and mass in the galaxy's core.

Thus, Asgardians have greatly developed physical characteristics and apparent immortality. They also have the ability to control various forms of energy. They are less advanced technologically, because they can perform many tasks through their great strength and sheer will (the need for technological discovery, and advancement just was never there). Space travel is even possible via the great powers they possess.

The Thor movie can deal with a conflict between Thor and Loki on Earth, where SHIELD became aware of Thor's presence. But they stayed back to monitor Thor, as his alter ego, Dr. Donald Blake. But now that they are forming a team they approach him with the proposal to join the Avengers...

[KangConquers]

By the way... for Thor: I would like to see him as an psuedo-alien. He is from Asgard which is a planet at the core of our galaxy. Due to the stars being relatively clustered in that region of space, the principles of physics are quite different than what we experience here (in Midgard - midpoint of the radius from the core of the galaxy to the outer rim). Beings that evolve in Asgard would be exposed to greater cosmic radiation and gravity... space and time might even be dilated due to the warping of the time-space continuum, caused by all that energy and mass in the galaxy's core.

Thus, Asgardians have greatly developed physical characteristics and apparent immortality. They also have the ability to control various forms of energy. They are less advanced technologically, because they can perform many tasks through their great strength and sheer will (the need for technological discovery, and advancement just was never there). Space travel is even possible via the great powers they possess.

The Thor movie can deal with a conflict between Thor and Loki on Earth, where SHIELD became aware of Thor's presence. But they stayed back to monitor Thor, as his alter ego, Dr. Donald Blake. But now that they are forming a team they approach him with the proposal to join the Avengers...


Or we could just have him be a Thunder God.

[Franklin Richards]

Not this again.


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[KangConquers]

Not this again.


:thing: :doom: :thing:

Yes, the last thing we need is people forcing their religious views on us because they don't want to hear Thor called a God.

[Franklin Richards]

Hell, it's not even that (although that is annoying). It's just a long way to go to get what we already have. Will I have to take notes during Thor's origin? Will there be a pamphlet?


He's a God. Deal with it.


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[cerealkiller182]

Technically hes a god (lower case) which is why people shouldnt care in the first place

Roster Id like to see

Captain America
Thor
Iron man
Ant-Man
Hulk
Nick Fury

maybe Wasp, definitely Black Widow and Hawkeye in a similar role as their Ultimate roles (SHIELD liason type roles for the Avengers)

[FaT_tONle]

You guys really think we can afford to give screen time to characters like Hawkeye and Black Widow... even if it involved small roles... it still screams X-3/SM3... you don't have to water those characters down as simply SHIELD agents.

[Rich Santoro]

Yes, the last thing we need is people forcing their religious views on us because they don't want to hear Thor called a God.


What the fu@k??? My little take has nothing to do with religion dumba$$. In a day of many sophisticated sci-fi / fantasy films, with audiences that have their eyes open... the "he is just a god, deal with it" approach is unimaginative and pretty narrow regarding the sensibilities of movie-goers.

But OK... I'll play. So he is a god... Where did he come from??? Another dimension??? Where is that??? Somewhere outside of our space-time continuum??? This all leads to an issue for the suspension of disbelief. I am as much of a movie and comic book geek as anyone, and if I am having a problem with just having a Thunder god show up in a flash of lightening, then I think others may as well.

I admit that perhaps I am making it more complicated that it needs to be... maybe just showing up with a loud thunder clap and saying "I am the Prince of Asgard" (like in that Hulk TV movie from forever ago) would work just fine. But please don't make assumptions about any religious undertones in my posts...

[Rich Santoro]

You guys really think we can afford to give screen time to characters like Hawkeye and Black Widow... even if it involved small roles... it still screams X-3/SM3... you don't have to water those characters down as simply SHIELD agents.


Well... there will be "things" going on in the background in the film. So having these characters just there as a part of the regular scene flow would not cause a sacrifice of any screen time, nor clutter the film, ala X3.

[cerealkiller182]

You guys really think we can afford to give screen time to characters like Hawkeye and Black Widow... even if it involved small roles... it still screams X-3/SM3... you don't have to water those characters down as simply SHIELD agents.

Id still keep them in some kind of costume.

X-3/SM3 were poorly written. Not because it had a lot of characters but they couldnt balance them. Just how many people thought more than one villain wouldnt work but Nolans Batman proved that wrong. You just have to balance it.

I dont see a reason to leave them out. They all fit a role.

Cap, Thor, and Iron MAn are getting the most screentime. Im sure if they want to put in the Hulk (which still seems like a 50/50 chance) Im sure it'll be about Banner as a non-field member with the Hulk as an ace in the whole. To early to say what they will do with Ant-Man, but with Fury, Widow, and Hawkeye, this could serve as a great introduction.

Fury could possibly have his own spinoff movie later, with Widow and Hawkeye in possible supporting role. Widow could show up in iron Man seqeul, and Hawkeye could show up in a Cap sequel. Marvel has so far implied of a shared universe where supporting characters (and sometimes lead characters) can move about freely among the films.

[Franklin Richards]

Just having them in SHIELD costumes hanging around can be a fun easter egg. Now of course we want the payoff some day. The costumes and everything.


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[KangConquers]

What the fu@k??? My little take has nothing to do with religion dumba$$. In a day of many sophisticated sci-fi / fantasy films, with audiences that have their eyes open... the "he is just a god, deal with it" approach is unimaginative and pretty narrow regarding the sensibilities of movie-goers.

But OK... I'll play. So he is a god... Where did he come from??? Another dimension??? Where is that??? Somewhere outside of our space-time continuum??? This all leads to an issue for the suspension of disbelief. I am as much of a movie and comic book geek as anyone, and if I am having a problem with just having a Thunder god show up in a flash of lightening, then I think others may as well.

I admit that perhaps I am making it more complicated that it needs to be... maybe just showing up with a loud thunder clap and saying "I am the Prince of Asgard" (like in that Hulk TV movie from forever ago) would work just fine. But please don't make assumptions about any religious undertones in my posts...

Sorry, mistook you for the guy who a couple of months ago was arguing about "The One True God" considering calling Thor a god "Heresy".

[WeaponXProject]

Team:

Captain America- Leader of the team. Super Soldier found in ice.
Ironman- Billionare financial backer of the team.
Thor- Thunder God believed to be a mutant.
Wasp- Giant-Man's wife, millionare in the fashion industry. *
Giant-Man- Genius scientist who discovered pym particles.
Hulk (Primarily Banner)- Trying to crack the Super Soldier Serum as Banner.

SHIELD Liasons:

Nick Fury- Head of S.H.I.E.L.D., forms the team.
Black Widow- The Avengers S.H.I.E.L.D. Liason. *
Hawkeye- Black Widow's partner + lover. *
Sharon Carter- grand niece of Cap's lover from WW2. Assigned to Cap to help him readjust to the world after 66 years in a cyrogenic sleep. *


Villians:

Loki: The true force behind The Masters of Evil, under the human disguise of Erik Loken, terrorist. (Will of course reveal himself at the final batttle)
Baron Zemo: The grandson of one of Cap's enemies from the 1940s.
Songbird- Baron Zemo's lover + mutant with sonic lungs.*
Power Man- Pym's disgruntled assistant who helped him perfect the Giant-Man formula.*



*= Minor role.

I think that's a very good prediction of the characters but I am kinda hoping they leave Pym and his buddies and villains out of it. I would rather it be focused on the Cap and Tony and Bruce than anything else. I really like the SHIELD agents you have listed, too.

[marcvader]

First off I don't really want Black Widow and Hakweye in the Avengers flick unless like someone mentioned as easter eggs. You see them in the background. A guy firing at targets with a hightech looking bow or a redhead interupting a scene whispering into Fury's ear giving him some pertinent information, leaving their fleshing out for the followup film. For the Thor issue, won't we be getting a whole background from his own movie so that by the time the Avengers happens he won't be just some random god just appearing in a puff of smoke? The movie goers will understand and know why he's here. He doesn't need a convoluted Alien/interdimensional backstory. By the time Avengers comes out the viewer will be educated in norse mythology.

[RAMORE]

By the way... for Thor: I would like to see him as an psuedo-alien. He is from Asgard which is a planet at the core of our galaxy. Due to the stars being relatively clustered in that region of space, the principles of physics are quite different than what we experience here (in Midgard - midpoint of the radius from the core of the galaxy to the outer rim). Beings that evolve in Asgard would be exposed to greater cosmic radiation and gravity... space and time might even be dilated due to the warping of the time-space continuum, caused by all that energy and mass in the galaxy's core.

Thus, Asgardians have greatly developed physical characteristics and apparent immortality. They also have the ability to control various forms of energy. They are less advanced technologically, because they can perform many tasks through their great strength and sheer will (the need for technological discovery, and advancement just was never there). Space travel is even possible via the great powers they possess.

The Thor movie can deal with a conflict between Thor and Loki on Earth, where SHIELD became aware of Thor's presence. But they stayed back to monitor Thor, as his alter ego, Dr. Donald Blake. But now that they are forming a team they approach him with the proposal to join the Avengers...

I actually love this explanation:up: I'm not a thor purist i guess but i could sort of relate to this than some norse god i've barely heard of. Unless they did it like ultimates where he says he's a god and no one believes him:woot: but i don't want that I hate ultimates:cmad:

The only thing is how do explain the speech and saying he's a god? Or does he just talk funny and call everyone mortals because he can see them dying.

[Franklin Richards]

Why not make Superman the reincarnation of Jesus? Or maybe Wonder Woman should be the product of Genetic Experiments? Or how about we make Green Lantern a scientist who created his ring from a meteor and is now an Eco-Terrorist?


Why fix what ain't broke?


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[Rich Santoro]

Kang
Sorry, mistook you for the guy who a couple of months ago was arguing about "The One True God" considering calling Thor a god "Heresy".

NP... I am sorry for reacting so strongly...

[Rich Santoro]

Marcvader
First off I don't really want Black Widow and Hakweye in the Avengers flick unless like someone mentioned as easter eggs. You see them in the background. A guy firing at targets with a hightech looking bow or a redhead interupting a scene whispering into Fury's ear giving him some pertinent information, leaving their fleshing out for the followup film.

That is exactly what I would like to see... Only true blues would even recognize them.

For the Thor issue, won't we be getting a whole background from his own movie so that by the time the Avengers happens he won't be just some random god just appearing in a puff of smoke? The movie goers will understand and know why he's here. He doesn't need a convoluted Alien/interdimensional backstory. By the time Avengers comes out the viewer will be educated in norse mythology.

I am talking about the Thor movie... not the Avengers. All my comments about "puff of smoke" are a reference to the Thor film. I just don't think that a discussion on Norse Mythology will suffice, as to explain who this guy is, that Donald Blake turns into. Thor was not created by Norse Mythology... the mythos was created around Thor. But who and what is he??? Where is he from??? How did the Norse culture come to worship him and the other Asgardians a millenium ago???

So, I see the "planet in the center of the galaxy" premise to be a good psuedo-scientific explanation to answer the "who, what, where and how" of it all... An explanation that people can get into. Like how Star Trek always concocts some sciency explanation for the amazing things that go on in those movies / episodes.

[Gotham'sKnight]

I liked gambits reply, how dc is tryina do something meaningful with someone not named batman,lol its so sad but true. I would like to see cap, iron man, thor, hulk, giantman/antman, wasp, vision, maybe introduce she-hulk, ms.marvel, black panther, and haweye. I know you can't really fit them all or give them all equal air time but mayb u don't need to, I like the idea of other members showing up at the end during a fight, in the mean time just have them mentioned early on. Im kinda having an ultimate avengers feeling. Id like an outside force to fight but ultimately end up with avengers versus hulk.

[Rich Santoro]

The only thing is how do explain the speech and saying he's a god? Or does he just talk funny and call everyone mortals because he can see them dying.

The premise there is that he and the other Asgardians have come to Earth before. They interacted with the people of Scandanavia centeruries ago. The Asgardians accordingly adapted Earth based languages, and really have no qualms about the worshipping and being referenced as gods. They did depart when conflicts were waged in there name... There can be a line that Thor is being sent back to Midgard to learn humility, and shall live without his Asgardian might, etc...

[marcvader]

"I am talking about the Thor movie... not the Avengers. All my comments about "puff of smoke" are a reference to the Thor film. I just don't think that a discussion on Norse Mythology will suffice, as to explain who this guy is, that Donald Blake turns into. Thor was not created by Norse Mythology... the mythos was created around Thor. But who and what is he??? Where is he from??? How did the Norse culture come to worship him and the other Asgardians a millenium ago???"

So, I see the "planet in the center of the galaxy" premise to be a good psuedo-scientific explanation to answer the "who, what, where and how" of it all... An explanation that people can get into. Like how Star Trek always concocts some sciency explanation for the amazing things that go on in those movies / episodes.[/quote]
Gotcha, the thing is at least for me I don't want science involved when it comes to Thor. I liken the Norse gods to Greek or Roman gods. Just like there's a mythological place called Mount Olympus there's Asgard. I just picture these fictional places as misty faraway lands where they can watch us from afar. Now where do we literally place them, I don't know but to me the explanation has to be more magical or fantasy than scientific.

[Spider-Fan]

For the team, we should follow thew rule of K.I.S.S:

Captain America
Iron Man
Thor
Ant-Man
Wasp
Hulk (not a member until the end of the film...before that, he is a threat)

I don't count Fury as a member, though he should be heavily involved. We don't have enough time for more than these people in reality. This movie will only really work cause most of the characters will have been introduced prior in their solo films. For non-established characters, I think Ant-Man is the best choice. I would only throw Wasp in there for the sake of having a female team member and her and Pym would give each other depth.

As for the Thor thing I am seeing discussion about, he is a god. If they try to make him an alien, then they shouldn't do the movie. If Marvel went away from Thor as a god, then Marvel shows a lack of confidence in their own material, and shouldn't be running a movie studio. You can change certain things, but a core aspect like that needs to be maintained. Granted, Thor presents a problem in that we need a threat that can hurt him and a reason he'd need to be involved, but there are many ways to do this. The Cosmic Cube, Skrull invasion, etc. Since I would use the Hulk as a threat, there is a money fight for us all to see. Plus, Thor is most likely to be exiled from Asgard at the end of his movie (I haven't read the script people seem to have read, so don't spoil it for me if you have!), so Thor's arc in the film should center around coming to appreciate his surroundings. In this way, his journey and Cap's would be similar: Warriors that were tossed out of their element and into this period. This is a good basis for their relationship potentially.

That's my two cents anyway. Remember, keep it simple stupid!!!

[Rich Santoro]

Why fix what ain't broke?

First I don't think that it fundamentally changes who Thor is... and the Hulk underwent a major revamping into his origin (a failed Bioforce Enhancement project v. exposure to a nuclear blast). The failed experiment was more palpatable than the nuclear blast. I feel the same way about an embellishment to establish Thor a from another planet, rather then from a mytical otherworld... For comics, especially 40-50 years ago, that was fine... It is fine in the books today because of that history... But the movie could use a modernization of the backstory.

[Franklin Richards]

What needs to be modernized about being a god? Nothing that's what. And Hulk was born in science. His update was still science. Thor is rooted in magic and fantasy and you want to make him Superman or the Eternals.

That's like turning the Lord of the Rings into a Sci Fi movie. It's fundamentally flawed.


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[KangConquers]

I think that's a very good prediction of the characters but I am kinda hoping they leave Pym and his buddies and villains out of it. I would rather it be focused on the Cap and Tony and Bruce than anything else. I really like the SHIELD agents you have listed, too.

Honestly, Pym is much more important to the Avengers team than Hulk, and I would be VERY dissapointed if the Pyms weren't in the movie.

[marcvader]

I agree. The Pyms need to be in this movie. Don't mind the Avengers focusing on Cap, Tony, and Thor but there needs to be some Giantman and Wasp before any of these Shield suggestions.

[Rich Santoro]

If Marvel went away from Thor as a god, then Marvel shows a lack of confidence in their own material, and shouldn't be running a movie studio.

I flattly reject that premise... but I will chalk this one up to being a matter of opinion.

[Spider-Fan]

I agree. The Pyms need to be in this movie. Don't mind the Avengers focusing on Cap, Tony, and Thor but there needs to be some Giantman and Wasp before any of these Shield suggestions.

Agreed. I am actually writing my own pitch for an Avengers movie right now (my last post inspired it). I already have down Pym's character arc.

[Franklin Richards]

The Avengers without the Wasp is like the Justice League without the Martian Manhunter.


:doom: :doom: :doom:

[Rich Santoro]

Marcvader
Gotcha, the thing is at least for me I don't want science involved when it comes to Thor. I liken the Norse gods to Greek or Roman gods. Just like there's a mythological place called Mount Olympus there's Asgard. I just picture these fictional places as misty faraway lands where they can watch us from afar. Now where do we literally place them, I don't know but to me the explanation has to be more magical or fantasy than scientific.


Fair enough...

FR
That's like turning the Lord of the Rings into a Sci Fi movie. It's fundamentally flawed.


LOTR is a total fantasy film with no roots in our world... Thor on the other hand does have roots in our world. So that example is off. Not to mention that while the Thor movie may or may not be in a totally fantasy-film setting, the Avengers will not be. So, I see this being a bit problematic for the acceptance of the character and his involvement with characters like Ironman... But again, I will relegate this discussion to being a matter of opinion.

And I agree completely that the Pyms need to be central to the core team. If Antman gets a movie, then the backstory can be provided there. If not, then they can become involved outside of filming, with dialoque could set the stage for their backstory.

[KangConquers]

I think you can do Thor and the Asgardians as "Powerful beings who were once worshipped by humans as Gods" and leave it at that.

[Rich Santoro]

I think you can do Thor and the Asgardians as "Powerful beings who were once worshipped by humans as Gods" and leave it at that.


I suppose that it may work just fine. I guess that the for the X-Men, not much more than "hey, they have fancy genes" was needed.

[Colossal Spoons]

The Shaun of the Dead director better not f up Ant-Man. I know a lot of people loved that movie but British humor goes right over, around, and through my head :(

[WeaponXProject]

Honestly, Pym is much more important to the Avengers team than Hulk, and I would be VERY dissapointed if the Pyms weren't in the movie.


I can't really see the Pym's being a selling point but I know why fans want them in. I don't think audiences will like Pym. I think Marvel will go with the smart sell of Tony, Cap and Bruce.

[cerealkiller182]

Pym has his own movie coming out. Whether hes a selling point or not is yet to be seen

[marcvader]

All I know is that they better get a better FX house for the Hulk renderings cuz that last Hulk was doodoo and this movie needs to be groundbreaking and topnotch.

[[A]]

The Shaun of the Dead director better not f up Ant-Man. I know a lot of people loved that movie but British humor goes right over, around, and through my head :(
Well I don't think the Ant Man movie's gonna be a comedy..





..right?

[Colossal Spoons]

A movie about Hank shouldn't be. The current Ant Man; Eric O'Grady, would be a hilarious comedy :up:

[KangConquers]

I can't really see the Pym's being a selling point but I know why fans want them in. I don't think audiences will like Pym. I think Marvel will go with the smart sell of Tony, Cap and Bruce.

I ddn't say he's more important on the grand-scale, but he's a much more important AVENGER. After the trinity (Steve, Tony, Thor) the Pyms are possibly the most important avengers. Other than forming the team, Hulk has very little to do with the avengers.

If anything the three it will be built around will be Cap, Iron Man and Thor, the marvel trinity; considering Hulk's movie didn't light the box office aflame, I can see him having a slightly lesser role than Cap or Iron Man.

[KangConquers]

A movie about Hank shouldn't be. The current Ant Man; Eric O'Grady, would be a hilarious comedy :up:

Meh. **** O'Grady. Pym is too important to ignore.

No Pym= No Ultron= No Vision.

[[A]]

A movie about Hank shouldn't be. The current Ant Man; Eric O'Grady, would be a hilarious comedy :up:
Well, Edgar Wright's not all about comedy so you should expect something good (if it's ever done)

[Spider-Fan]

Here is how I see Hank, and why he is essential for this series:

Hank is one of the world's best minds, on par with say Tony Stark. Maybe he was one of SHIELD's brightest minds before Stark Industries began to overshadow him. As we go on, Hank feels less and less important to the team. He is constantly trying to become relevant again, not for SHIELD, but for himself. The others make him feel small, so it is ironic his power is he can shrink. I see this lack of self-respect leading down a path of ignoring/poorly treating Janet, since I doubt they'll make him a wife beater, and possibly drive her away from him entirely out of jealousy. This lack of self-respect I see also driving him to attempt to create something that will overshadow anything Stark or anyone has done. I see this invention going horrbily wrong in the sequel: Ultron. He is a tragic figure. He had the brains and the resources, but he never suceeded the way Stark or others have. It eats at him all the time. And he knows it is his own fault.

Pym is one of the greatest underused characters in comics. This is how I'd approach the character if I were writing the Avengers.

I'll post my full Avengers pitch later.

[WeaponXProject]

I ddn't say he's more important on the grand-scale, but he's a much more important AVENGER. After the trinity (Steve, Tony, Thor) the Pyms are possibly the most important avengers. Other than forming the team, Hulk has very little to do with the avengers.

If anything the three it will be built around will be Cap, Iron Man and Thor, the marvel trinity; considering Hulk's movie didn't light the box office aflame, I can see him having a slightly lesser role than Cap or Iron Man.


I know you didn't say that. But I didn't say you did. As for more important. I am pretty sure the fans would rather see the big three like I said then Ant man or Giant man. That's just from my opinion. Every none fan but big movie fan I have talked to would rather see Hulk, Cap and Iron Man than Ant Man

What I said is what I would think from Marvel's point of view. They would use the characters audiences are more used to. Whether Antman can sell is unsure but Hulk and Iron Man already did good, well Hulk did okay, and Cap is one of the biggest in Marvel so if I were them that's what I would do. I could see Pym as more of a side character or the one who brings them all together.

Also, Edgar Wright said Antman will NOT be a comedy but will have funny events and things in it.

[KangConquers]

Here is how I see Hank, and why he is essential for this series:

Hank is one of the world's best minds, on par with say Tony Stark. Maybe he was one of SHIELD's brightest minds before Stark Industries began to overshadow him. As we go on, Hank feels less and less important to the team. He is constantly trying to become relevant again, not for SHIELD, but for himself. The others make him feel small, so it is ironic his power is he can shrink. I see this lack of self-respect leading down a path of ignoring/poorly treating Janet, since I doubt they'll make him a wife beater, and possibly drive her away from him entirely out of jealousy. This lack of self-respect I see also driving him to attempt to create something that will overshadow anything Stark or anyone has done. I see this invention going horrbily wrong in the sequel: Ultron. He is a tragic figure. He had the brains and the resources, but he never suceeded the way Stark or others have. It eats at him all the time. And he knows it is his own fault.

Pym is one of the greatest underused characters in comics. This is how I'd approach the character if I were writing the Avengers.

I'll post my full Avengers pitch later.


It's hillarious; Hank hits Janet once...and he's black listed.

Batman goes nuts and tries to kill Catwoman, and it's fine.

[[A]]

Also, Edgar Wright said Antman will NOT be a comedy but will have funny events and things in it.
I trust the man

[KangConquers]

I know you didn't say that. But I didn't say you did. As for more important. I am pretty sure the fans would rather see the big three like I said then Ant man or Giant man. That's just from my opinion. Every none fan but big movie fan I have talked to would rather see Hulk, Cap and Iron Man than Ant Man

What I said is what I would think from Marvel's point of view. They would use the characters audiences are more used to. Whether Antman can sell is unsure but Hulk and Iron Man already did good, well Hulk did okay, and Cap is one of the biggest in Marvel so if I were them that's what I would do. I could see Pym as more of a side character or the one who brings them all together.

Also, Edgar Wright said Antman will NOT be a comedy but will have funny events and things in it.

I honestly don't think an ant-man movie is necessary.

Basically:

Cap= Leader.
Iron Man= The Brains.
Thor= The Power.
Giant Man= The slightly less intelligent genius.
Wasp= Obligatory female
Hulk= The Black Sheep.

You can't do an Avengers film without Pym involvement.

[Spider-Fan]

It's hillarious; Hank hits Janet once...and he's black listed.

Batman goes nuts and tries to kill Catwoman, and it's fine.

But, Catwoman wasn't his wife :woot:

I get what you're saying, but that event is one of the key moments in his comic history. I doubt we'll ever see it on screen, but it makes sense how it occured considering his history.

Ant-Man is a character that was always overshadowed. He was created to be the next big hero, but unlike many of Stan Lee's creations, he never took off. He is overshadowed. They've tried to revamp him to make him a major character, but those ideas never quite take off. It is quite ironic the guy who shrinks is always overlooked.

Hence why I'd approach Pym in this manner on screen.

[[A]]

I honestly don't think an ant-man movie is necessary.
Ok. Make an Atom Ant movie instead!
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/3897/2057875979f1f43673dbsk5.jpg

[KangConquers]

But, Catwoman wasn't his wife :woot:

I get what you're saying, but that event is one of the key moments in his comic history. I doubt we'll ever see it on screen, but it makes sense how it occured considering his history.

Ant-Man is a character that was always overshadowed. He was created to be the next big hero, but unlike many of Stan Lee's creations, he never took off. He is overshadowed. They've tried to revamp him to make him a major character, but those ideas never quite take off. It is quite ironic the guy who shrinks is always overlooked.

Hence why I'd approach Pym in this manner on screen.

It's funny, because Pym was actually Lee's first solo hero post-F4. Before Hulk, Spider-Man, Thor, and Iron Man, there was Ant-Man.

[Spider-Fan]

It's funny, because Pym was actually Lee's first solo hero post-F4. Before Hulk, Spider-Man, Thor, and Iron Man, there was Ant-Man.

I know. It is interesting to think about. Looking over Pym's history made me understand him more as a character. Now, I have an idea of what drives him.

[marcvader]

So who do you guys think will get the Cyclops treatment?

[Spider-Fan]

So who do you guys think will get the Cyclops treatment?

If I had my way, no one would. I would make a movie that would slant a little in Cap's favor, but all characters would get their due.

But I think Pym will get the Cyclops treatment.

[KangConquers]

So who do you guys think will get the Cyclops treatment?

I dunno; if they go Ultimates, which I suspect they might, they have a really good division of screen time.

I'm more a 616 man, but Ultimates is so obviously written to be a movie, I can't imagine Marvel passing it up.

[[A]]

I dunno; if they go Ultimates, which I suspect they might, they have a really good division of screen time.

I'm more a 616 man, but Ultimates is so obviously written to be a movie, I can't imagine Marvel passing it up.
I agree with you *hides*

[KangConquers]

I agree with you *hides*

I think the average fan won't mind Ultimates as long as the characters aren't written all dumb and millary; basically the same arc, but with more 616 characterization. Ultimates 1, though a good story, makes you hate the heroes, save for maybe Janet.

[marcvader]

I'm an original Avengers fan and always will be but I can appreciate the Ultimates for its cinematic qualities too.

[Rich Santoro]

Spider-Fan, I like that presentation of Pym... The real lure of superheros and all these stories is the person who is the character. Their backstory, hero's motivation, etc... is what brings readers (and hopefully movie-goers) back over and over.

[Colossal Spoons]

Meh. **** O'Grady. Pym is too important to ignore.

No Pym= No Ultron= No Vision.

I totally agree about Hank. Way too important to ignore

[KangConquers]

I totally agree about Hank. Way too important to ignore

that being said, I wouldn't mind an Ant-Man movie set with a different Ant-Man post Avengers.

[[A]]

Ultimates 1, though a good story, makes you hate the heroes, save for maybe Janet.
Yeah, a bit over the edge on makin' the heroes more...real

[Colossal Spoons]

Scott Lang maybe lol

[KangConquers]

Yeah, a bit over the edge on makin' the heroes more...real

Yeah...well they're Millar's parodies of Americans.

Jigonistic Cap, Hippy Thor, Materialistic Celebrity humping Tony Stark, Dysfunctional couple The Pyms...

[[A]]

Yeah...well they're Millar's parodies of Americans.

Jigonistic Cap, Hippy Thor, Materialistic Celebrity humping Tony Stark, Dysfunctional couple The Pyms...
Millar, Millar, Millar this, Millar that.. this board is becoming.. Nah, I won't say it :grin:

*just kidding

[WeaponXProject]

So who do you guys think will get the Cyclops treatment?


Pym.

[KangConquers]

Pym.

Hopefully not.

Avengers without a good Pym character is just a Thor/ Iron Man/ Cap teamup.

[marcvader]

It would help Pym's profile in the movie if they portrayed him as Giant Man as it would make him a larger than life character, no pun intended, figuratively and literally.

[marcvader]

By the way I think Wasp will get the Cyclops treatment.

[KangConquers]

It would help Pym's profile in the movie if they portrayed him as Giant Man as it would make him a larger than life character, no pun intended, figuratively and literally.

Even if they do ant-man for a solo movie, Giant Man would be preferable for Avengers.

[FaT_tONle]

Agreed. I am actually writing my own pitch for an Avengers movie right now (my last post inspired it). I already have down Pym's character arc.

I say save the wife beater angle for the sequel... since most of the actors won't be back, Pym would be the main guy on the team. Look forward to hearing the pitch... post it in the write your Avengers script thread... just do me a favor... don't over-do Red Skull...

If I was making these films though, in the sequel... Hawkeye and Black Widow being the other "main guys" along with Pym. Pym's hostile behavior toward his wife would start to wedge the team apart. For a bonus, I'd also try to get Thor and Iron Man back for the final battle ONLY if the same actors are willing to do it.

On a side note... if Marvel ever decides they need to kill off a character in movie one (which they'll never do)... it should be Cap. Because I don't think solo sequels would be effective for that character and I also think it would make the character all the more special with only a select few appearances on the big screen.

[marcvader]

Disagree whoever they get to play Cap will probably be signed for 3 movies which seems the way studios go especially if they are successful. Cap will do solo first, Avengers second, and probably Avengers 2. Now if Cap becomes a popular character which I think he will I find it highly unlikely Marvel would kill him off.

[alexdunn]

By the way I think Wasp will get the Cyclops treatment.

I betcha she'll get the Jean Grey treatment in the way she should be with Pym, but ends up with Cap.:cmad: Yeah, becasue everyone loved that in X Men!:whatever:

[Spider-Fan]

I say save the wife beater angle for the sequel... since most of the actors won't be back, Pym would be the main guy on the team. Look forward to hearing the pitch... post it in the write your Avengers script thread... just do me a favor... don't over-do Red Skull...

If I was making these films though, in the sequel... Hawkeye and Black Widow being the other "main guys" along with Pym. Pym's hostile behavior toward his wife would start to wedge the team apart. For a bonus, I'd also try to get Thor and Iron Man back for the final battle ONLY if the same actors are willing to do it.

On a side note... if Marvel ever decides they need to kill off a character in movie one (which they'll never do)... it should be Cap. Because I don't think solo sequels would be effective for that character and I also think it would make the character all the more special with only a select few appearances on the big screen.


You'll see my villain selection. I based my decision on the theme I was going for.

[FaT_tONle]

I am not saying they should (on the Cap death)... but I don't think it would be terrible if they did. In his first movie he almost gets killed... in Avengers he pays the ultimate sacrifice. A major death would pack a lot more emotion into the film and it wouldn't just become a summer popcorn... I am not saying go the X-3 route... just saying it wouldn't be a terrible move, especially if they use a former WW2 villain for Avengers. Cap taking on Ultron and Kang in sequels isn't my cup of tea and it would water down the character IMO.

[Spider-Fan]

You can't kill the Cap :cmad:

I don't think anyone should die movie one personally.

[marcvader]

I agree, it definitely would be add a load of gravitas to the movie. The only thing is I think that Cap has the potential, if nailed the way RDJ nailed Iron Man, to be an extremely memorable character. The WWII guy triumphing and leading by example in these troubled times. I think it would be a huge mistake for Marvel to squander such a special hero let alone bucketloads of cash. Believe me if they continue to make Avengers movies people will be going to see Cap like they do Wolverine in Xmen.

[TheVileOne]

Man I hate Latino Review. They make it sound like a scoop but there isn't actually any legit news in that "report". Just kicking around and speculating what they think the Avengers movie is going to be while listing most of what we already know about the slate in development.

[FaT_tONle]

What was the scoop about? Just for entertainment's sake...

[alexdunn]

Believe me if they continue to make Avengers movies people will be going to see Cap like they do Wolverine in Xmen.

Is that a good thing though? I hated that aspect of the X-Men series. They've been Wolverine 1, 2, 3, and now 4!

[marcvader]

No, I hated that about X-Men also. Someone was suggesting Cap being killed and I was just trying to illustrate the importance of Cap to the Avengers from a marketing standpoint.

[aka Kal el]

I think you can do Thor and the Asgardians as "Powerful beings who were once worshipped by humans as Gods" and leave it at that.

I think that is a reasonable compromise!:word:

[aka Kal el]

Spider-Fan, I like that presentation of Pym... The real lure of superheros and all these stories is the person who is the character. Their backstory, hero's motivation, etc... is what brings readers (and hopefully movie-goers) back over and over.

Hank could also be used to reflect the audience point of view. A normal scientist with out any superpowers who is surrounded by all these incredible characters he dreams of being. This is why he is trying so hard to create his own version of the super soldier formula. Think House as one of the Avengers. The irony is that he makes the ultimate sacrifice to save the entire team. What do you think?

[Spider-Fan]

Spider-Fan, I like that presentation of Pym... The real lure of superheros and all these stories is the person who is the character. Their backstory, hero's motivation, etc... is what brings readers (and hopefully movie-goers) back over and over.

Thanks :)

When I looked over Pym's history, I just felt like I understood him.

[TheVileOne]

Wife beaters who have mental and nervous breakdowns and become paranoid, psychotic schizophrenics will understand him too :D . I kid, I kid.

I think the most important role to cast for the movie will be Hawkeye. I mean, the movie will really need Hawkeye. Hawkeye is basically the hotdog, rule-breaker that will but heads with the guys in charge. That is to say if they fit Hawkeye in. Which I really hope they do.

So you'd have Cap, Thor, Iron Man, Hawkeye, The Wasp, Ant Man/Giant Man. And I think that's enough for a first movie. Characters like Vision and Scarlett Witch could come in later.

Scarlett Witch is difficult because she's Mags' daughter. And Mags is under the clutches of Fox. So you can't incorporate X-men, mutants, Mags, etc. into her character all of which is very important. So I'm not sure where Wanda falls. But if it's with Marvel Studios, then I suppose Wanda would just be Wanda Maximoff. But then how do you explain her powers if she can't be a Marvel mutant? Is she just "gifted" or what?

[Lestat74]

Scarlett Witch is difficult because she's Mags' daughter. And Mags is under the clutches of Fox. So you can't incorporate X-men, mutants, Mags, etc. into her character all of which is very important. So I'm not sure where Wanda falls. But if it's with Marvel Studios, then I suppose Wanda would just be Wanda Maximoff. But then how do you explain her powers if she can't be a Marvel mutant? Is she just "gifted" or what?

Wanda being Magneto's daughter was not revealed till like 20 years into her comic book adventures, so it's not like it's something they HAVE to bring up...ever, if they don't want to. And she could still be a mutant. Fox owns the rights to the X-Men characters, but they don't own the concept of mutants. She could still be one if they wanted.

[Spider-Fan]

Wife beaters who have mental and nervous breakdowns and become paranoid, psychotic schizophrenics will understand him too :D . I kid, I kid.

I think the most important role to cast for the movie will be Hawkeye. I mean, the movie will really need Hawkeye. Hawkeye is basically the hotdog, rule-breaker that will but heads with the guys in charge. That is to say if they fit Hawkeye in. Which I really hope they do.

So you'd have Cap, Thor, Iron Man, Hawkeye, The Wasp, Ant Man/Giant Man. And I think that's enough for a first movie. Characters like Vision and Scarlett Witch could come in later.

Scarlett Witch is difficult because she's Mags' daughter. And Mags is under the clutches of Fox. So you can't incorporate X-men, mutants, Mags, etc. into her character all of which is very important. So I'm not sure where Wanda falls. But if it's with Marvel Studios, then I suppose Wanda would just be Wanda Maximoff. But then how do you explain her powers if she can't be a Marvel mutant? Is she just "gifted" or what?

Touche :woot:

But I think you know what I meant :cwink:

[KangConquers]

Wife beaters who have mental and nervous breakdowns and become paranoid, psychotic schizophrenics will understand him too :D . I kid, I kid.

I think the most important role to cast for the movie will be Hawkeye. I mean, the movie will really need Hawkeye. Hawkeye is basically the hotdog, rule-breaker that will but heads with the guys in charge. That is to say if they fit Hawkeye in. Which I really hope they do.

So you'd have Cap, Thor, Iron Man, Hawkeye, The Wasp, Ant Man/Giant Man. And I think that's enough for a first movie. Characters like Vision and Scarlett Witch could come in later.

Scarlett Witch is difficult because she's Mags' daughter. And Mags is under the clutches of Fox. So you can't incorporate X-men, mutants, Mags, etc. into her character all of which is very important. So I'm not sure where Wanda falls. But if it's with Marvel Studios, then I suppose Wanda would just be Wanda Maximoff. But then how do you explain her powers if she can't be a Marvel mutant? Is she just "gifted" or what?


I really don't want Hawkeye in this moive; The original team is enough for now.

[PyroChamber]

Speaking of the original team, would it bother anyone if they decided not to have Hulk in it and have it just be Cap, Thor, Iron Man, Pym, and Wasp?

[CaptainStacy]

Speaking of the original team, would it bother anyone if they decided not to have Hulk in it and have it just be Cap, Thor, Iron Man, Pym, and Wasp?

Yes. Hulk is a founding member. He should be there.

[Philly Phanboy]

Speaking of the original team, would it bother anyone if they decided not to have Hulk in it and have it just be Cap, Thor, Iron Man, Pym, and Wasp?

I'd say that RDJ showing up in the Hulk movie pretty much guarantees that Hulk will be in the Avengers movie.

I think we'll see:

Captain America
Thor
Iron Man
Pym as Giant Man
Wasp
Nick Fury
Black Widow
Hulk (even if it's just a cameo)
and possibly Black Panther because they're really using that character a lot recently (animated series and numerous animated DVD appearances)

[Metamorpho1977]

the only one on there that I find questionable would be Ant-man.

Personally, I'm not too familiar with the character, but I don't know how popular he would be with the general public ( no offense to Ant-man fans.....lol ).

He's a founding member, he has every right to be on the team, and his wife, The Wasp.

[Rich Santoro]

I prefer Pym as Antman to start. I am hoping for The Red Skull as the villian with the Cosmic Cube, and it is Antman that sneaks onto the Skull's person, and separates him from the Cube during a final battle... There is a surge at the moment of separation (Skull from the cube), and Antman is trying to size up at that moment... well this causes an acceleration of his growth, causing him overshoot and become Giantman in an uncontrolled burst...

It all happens so fast, and then Cap grabs Mjolinir (freaking out Thor who was knocked down a moment earlier)... and Cap slams Mjolinir down and destroys the cube in a violent blast that disintegrates skull... Cap is protected by Mjolinir, Thor withstands the blast, Wasp is grabbed by Ironman who then flies them out of the blast range... Giantman also withstands the blast because of his supersize and destablized Pym particles that absorb the energy... If Hulk is in there, he gets charred up, but recovers (rapid healing).

This is how Thor comes to recognize Cap as the one he should follow (because Cap wielded Mjolinir).

[TheVileOne]

Cap wasn't on the original team you know :) .

[KangConquers]

Cap wasn't on the original team you know :) .

Cap has retroactive founder status though.

[Rich Santoro]

The whole thing is being retconned for the films anyhow... Hulk's origin, Tony kidnapped in Afganistan, SHIELD forming the Avengers...

[KangConquers]

The whole thing is being retconned for the films anyhow... Hulk's origin, Tony kidnapped in Afganistan, SHIELD forming the Avengers...

SHIELD forming the avengers makes a lot more sense. I'm all for 616 avengers, but the way they came together was such a bunch of happenstance crap.

[Venomfan]

whats the deal with Cap on the avengers. I recently read Demon in a Bottle TPB and Iron Man is the leader of the Avengers. I always thought Cap was

[TheVileOne]

Tony Stark was basically the founder and financier of the Avengers. So you could call him a leader of sorts.

[FaT_tONle]

Scarlett Witch is difficult because she's Mags' daughter. And Mags is under the clutches of Fox. So you can't incorporate X-men, mutants, Mags, etc. into her character all of which is very important. So I'm not sure where Wanda falls. But if it's with Marvel Studios, then I suppose Wanda would just be Wanda Maximoff. But then how do you explain her powers if she can't be a Marvel mutant? Is she just "gifted" or what?

When would X-Men possibly go back to Marvel? Does Fox have a limit of films they can make or can they just keep going? I think it's like five years or something before they'd have to give it back to Marvel. Maybe an Avenger movie every three years. If Avengers comes out in 2011/2012... A3 could maybe come out by 2017/2018... Marvel could POSSIBLY reacquire X-Men by then. You need Wanda and Pietro for later Avenger films to work IMO.

[Matt Mortem]

When would X-Men possibly go back to Marvel? Does Fox have a limit of films they can make or can they just keep going? I think it's like five years or something before they'd have to give it back to Marvel. Maybe an Avenger movie every three years. If Avengers comes out in 2011/2012... A3 could maybe come out by 2017/2018... Marvel could POSSIBLY reacquire X-Men by then. You need Wanda and Pietro for later Avenger films to work IMO.
If the rights went back to marvel we could also get Beast in the avengers. He was, afterall, an Avenger.

[TheVileOne]

OK but Marvel isn't getting X-men back right now in time for Avengers. So that's out of the question.

[FaT_tONle]

Well we don't need Wanda and Pietro for Avengers 1... but I think down the line... especially if you add a character like Vision... SW would be pivotal for a love triangle or whatever. Definitely would be cool for Marvel to reintegrate the mutant universe into their world. You don't have to go crazy with it but some vague connections to Magneto/Brotherhood or Xavier/X-Men could work. They need the rights first.

[darthlaney]

whats the deal with Cap on the avengers. I recently read Demon in a Bottle TPB and Iron Man is the leader of the Avengers. I always thought Cap was

The Avengers have a revolving leadership depending on who is active at the time - they all live very busy lives.

Iron Man, Wasp, Black Widow, Hawkeye (and others) have all been leaders when Cap has been inactive.

[Venomfan]

The Avengers have a revolving leadership depending on who is active at the time - they all live very busy lives.

Iron Man, Wasp, Black Widow, Hawkeye (and others) have all been leaders when Cap has been inactive.
well in Demon in a Bottle Cap is on the team, but Iron Man is above him. Seemed really wierd to me because i had assumed Cap was always the leader. Later i discoved he wasn't on the original lineup either. speaking of which does anyone know why Cap wasn't on the original line up?

[Spider-Vader]

I don't think he was found yet.

But I'm not sure.

[[A]]

Marvel to Film Next Four Films at Raleigh Studios
Source: Marvel Studio

As Marvel Studios, a subsidiary of Marvel Entertainment, Inc., powers up to begin production on its next highly anticipated slate of films, the studio has made an agreement with Raleigh Studios to film each of Marvel's next four films at Raleigh's facility in Manhattan Beach, CA. The four projects to be produced at the studio facility over the next three years include Iron Man 2, Thor, The First Avenger: Captain America, The Avengers. Keeping these four major tent pole film productions in Southern California allows the studio access to outstanding crews and resources and makes Marvel the largest tenant on the Raleigh lot. Additionally, Marvel Studios will move its Beverly Hills-based executive and production offices to Raleigh's facility in Manhattan Beach.

"In making this deal with Raleigh to produce our upcoming films at the Manhattan Beach Studios, we are most excited about keeping our film production here in California and taking advantage of the best crews in the Los Angeles area," stated Louis D'Esposito, Marvel's President of Physical Production. "All of our production partners on these upcoming films have been incredibly accommodating in terms of their creativity and financial structures, allowing us to remain in California. Raleigh Studios has long been known for the superior quality of its film production facilities and we know that Manhattan Beach will be the ideal location to produce our movies to the highest standards that our fans expect."

"We are thrilled that we were able to find a way to make this deal work for Marvel," said Michael Moore, Raleigh Studios President. "We could not have asked for a greater compliment than having a quality company like Marvel put their faith in us to provide a home for its film productions."

The Marvel live action releases to be filmed at Raleigh Manhattan Beach Studios are scheduled to arrive in theaters beginning in 2010 and going through 2011. Specifically the release dates are Iron Man 2 on May 7, 2010; Thor on July 16, 2010; The First Avenger: Captain America on May 6, 2011; and The Avengers on July 15, 2011.

Raleigh Manhattan Beach Studios first opened for operations during 1998. This studio consists of 14 sound stages on 22 acres with an additional 300,000 square feet of office and support space. As a result of this venture, Raleigh Studios along with its sister company Hollywood Rentals, are now the largest operator of independent film studio facilities and production services in North America.

[Iron_Stark]

Judging from the new cartoon, the roster for the movie's going to have the Big Three, Hulk, Ant-Man/Giant Man and the Wasp.

[CaptainStacy]

I don't think he was found yet.

But I'm not sure.

Correct. They found and revived him in Avengers #4. He was made an Honorary Founding Member later on.

[RAMORE]

Which is weird cause he is the avengers you know:)

[Rich Santoro]

Well... all that played out a few decades ago, so now that fact is obscured by time. Not too mention that when Cap took over, the team was called the Captains Kooky Quartet.

[GNR]

I hope they include the black ops side of things,that would really separate this movie from a typical superhero team up.

Hawkeye,Widow and maybe Quicksilver could be Fury's team which gets their hands dirty and go on missions that the main team can't.

[captaintass]

I'd like to see the She Hulk in some capacity...but then again I have more than a little tumescence for women with muscles.

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Hmm.. hello.

[captaintass]

Hmm.. hello.

My sentiments exactly.

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[I'm Venom]

The biggest moneymaker would be to have Captain America, Iron Man, Spider-Man, and Wolverine, as they already have movies out and people are familiar with them. Now that would be awesome! They fight Hulk in the first half of the movie and gain him to fight against Brotherhood/Magneto.

[Matt312]

I thought this thread was going to be for speculation on the roster, anyways, I'll throw my perfect team out there:

Captain America
Thor
Iron Man
Hulk
Giant-man (No Ant-man, lets have Pym be big!)
Wasp
Vision (not really a must but I like the character)

If we get Ultron we should get Vision.

[spider_man_2]

I think you can do Thor and the Asgardians as "Powerful beings who were once worshipped by humans as Gods" and leave it at that.

I'd love it if this movie had a scene in which Tony starts rambling about how Thor is actually native to an extra-dimensional planetary system, and then Thor calmly chides him for being all too human when wanting to explain away every little piece of fantasy/magic/whatever in the world using science, something which Thor claims cannot be done and is attempted only by mortals.

[Rich Santoro]

^ That is actually not bad... I get caught up on the details... and that scenario would be a great way to ground the situation, without having to "know".

[GNR]

Cap,Thor,Iron Man,Hulk,Giant Man,Wasp

Black Ops supporting team;Fury,War Machine,Hawkeye,Widow

[Superhero 101]

Thor Iron Man Hulk Black Widow Nick Fury and Captain America

[Lobo]

I'd want

Cap
Thor
Iron Man
Hawkeye
Black Widow
Ant-Man
Wasp

[Aztec]

I'll be the first to admit that I didn't want anyone outside of Hulk, Cap, Iron Man, and Thor; but after reading The Ultimates and seeing how cool Hawkeye, the Pyms, and Magneto's kids could be I wouldn't mind including them as well.

[marcvader]

This movie needs to center around the icons, Cap, Iron Man, Thor, Hulk, Giant/Ant Man, and Wasp with Fury, Black Widow, and Hawkeye in support. The villains should be Loki along with either Ultron or Kang.

[chris moore]

No black ops team. No 10,000 support soldiers. It should be Nick Fury's hero team for superpowered threats - not terrorist ones of any kind.

Nick has already begun putting together the team and already has Hawkeye and Black Widow on board as non-superpowered agents who can nonetheless do what they do better than anyone alive. Then he goes to Stark (as the first emergence of a civilian superhero style person), who in turn goes to Ross. Then the emergence in the public eye of Iron Man prompts Giant-Man's movie/foray into self experimentation with his discovery of Pym Particles. This attracts Fury's attention, so he gets approached too (at which point he has been forced to infuse his fiance Janet with altered Pym particles to save her life during his movie).

The gist being the superpowered heroes get approached about the Avenger initiative firstly to assemble a team that can stand against superpowered threats. But secondly (and the reason SHIELD is involved) to make sure that emerging superheroes who are being heroic stay that way, don't get corrupted or take the law into their own hands too much (property damage, recklessly endangering civilians with superbattles in the street) and can be controlled to a degree.

Cap comes in as the last addition to the team by whatever way they bring him into modern times in his own movie - either the Avengers are the ones who find him if his movie is entirely WWII ending in falling into the arctic. Or by his being approached nby Nick at the end of his movie just like Tony was if Cap's movie moves into today but he doesnt work directly with SHIELD in it so only meets Nick in the after credit closer.

Oh, and Thor could go either way depending on how his movie is handled (too little realism/unexplainable myth doesnt fit in enough with the linked world Iron Man and Hulk movies have created). No Quicksilver or Scarlet witch cos that means Mutants, which is a can of worms in a movie series where mutants are unheard of.

[UltimateJustin]

No Quicksilver or Scarlet witch cos that means Mutants, which is a can of worms in a movie series where mutants are unheard of.
No way!

My Avengers 2010 lineup:

Wolverine
Gambit
Ice Man
Rogue
Beast-Man
Tri-Klops
Man-E-Faces

[FVD]

I think as long as Fox doesn't really own the rights to Pietro and Wanda then perhaps they can appear in an Avengers sequel with Vision included. They don't need to be in the first movie.

As for Hawkeye well ain't it rumoured that he'll be making an appearance in IM2?

And this crap about Thor being an alien what the hell are you smoking? I don't want any form of science revolving around everybody's favourite Norse Thunder God.

[Immortalfire]

I'd like to see the She Hulk in some capacity...but then again I have more than a little tumescence for women with muscles.

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Holy cow :wow:

[roach]

If i were Marvel i would go with the original Avengers
Iron Man
Hulk
Giant Man
Wasp
Thor with them finding Cap

Maybe at the end have a cameo of new members
Hawkeye
Scarlet Witch
Quicksilver

[Spider-ManHero12]

Captain America
Iron man
Thor
Hulk
Giant Man
Wasp
Hawkeye

It would also be great to see Black Widow, Vision, etc.

[Lobo]

I think this is a likely roster

Captain America
Thor
Iron Man
Nick Fury
Hawkeye
Black Widow

[FaT_tONle]

You see Ant-Man and Wasp getting cut? I have been fearing the same... I obviously get that the latter two work better for the big screen... but how on Earth do you cut two classic members like that? And if they keep them... along with the latter two Lobo posted... then I think character development will suffer not having been introduced to those characters previously. They should have just saved that pair for the sequel... damn shame...

[roach]

I dont see those two getting cut...The Marvel movies have been pretty close to the books

[Spider-Vader]

The biggest moneymaker would be to have Captain America, Iron Man, Spider-Man, and Wolverine, as they already have movies out and people are familiar with them. Now that would be awesome! They fight Hulk in the first half of the movie and gain him to fight against Brotherhood/Magneto.


Sadly Spidey & Wolverine can't be Avengers because their movie rights belong to Sony & S***, I mean Fox. Though, I wouldn't them in the first movie anyway. Sequels maybe, but not the first. I'd love to see them on the Avengers on film before I die, since I'm a big New Avengers fan.

My roster:
Captain America
Iron Man
Thor
Hulk (I'd like Banner to be controlling him & then he lose control at the end & the Avengers have a battle with Hulk)
Giant Man
Wasp
Hawkeye

Spec-Ops Support:
Nick Fury
Black Widow

I think it'd be reasonable to introduce the Pyms in the Avengers, just say they're scientist who experiment with size & wallah!

[roach]

I would prefer more classic Avengers make it in the movie before the New Avengers show up

[kedrell]

The great thing about the Avengers as an ongoing film franchise is that it's the ultimate vehicle by which to introduce to the general audiences all of the more minor Marvel characters who otherwise would never see the light of day cinematically. Characters like Ms. Marvel, She-Hulk, Tigra, Scarlet Witch, Quicksilver, Black Panther, Hercules, Wonder Man, etc.

[Spider-Vader]

I think Panther will be the first to get a solo movie after the Avengers. He's Marvel next big character after all the others we have so far IMO.

[kedrell]

I don't think it'd ever happen unless he was already introduced IN an Avengers movie. He's pretty unknown. But his inclusion in an Avengers film would change that.

[Gamma Goliath]

large roles:

Captain America

Iron man

Banner/Hulk
(Hulk is fought against, captured, and used later in final battle with villian??? or Banner controls Hulk through out, and banner recruted as lead on the science dept. and fights along side avengers???)

Thor

Nick Fury

Ant-man and Wasp

small roles :

Black Widow*

Hawk Eye*

Dumdum Dugan*


But who are the Villians?


Ultron?

RedSkull?

Baron Zemo?

Baron Von Strucker?

H.Y.D.R.A / Madame Hydra?

Loki?

A.I.M.?

The Leader and Abomination?

The Mandarin?

[Gatchamanjp]

The roster I would like to see is...
Captain America
Iron Man
Thor
Wasp
Yellow Jacket (my favorite Hank Pym hero)
Hulk
Ms. Marvel
Nick Fury

[UltimateJustin]

then I think character development will suffer not having been introduced to those characters previously.
That kind of thinking is the result of the origin story mania of the 00's. The character development can be handled in this movie alone. They didn't rush out a Clubber Lang movie prior to Rocky III just so audiences would know what Rocky was up against. Or a good analogy. And all of Hellboy's friends didn't need bookoo amounts of character development to be interesting/satisfying film characters. X-Men was a team movie and I think Cyclops, Jean Grey, Rogue, Wolverine and Storm all got fair play, and Ice Man's role was limited but you didn't get the feeling that he didnt get proper character development.

So like someone else all ready said, just introduce the Pym's as scientists who work with size and one likes to beat the other.

[Spider-Vader]

The roster I would like to see is...
Captain America
Iron Man
Thor
Wasp
Yellow Jacket (my favorite Hank Pym hero)
Hulk
Ms. Marvel
Nick Fury

I don't like the idea of having Fury or Widow be actual members of the Avengers. I'll be fine if they assist them on missions, but I think the Avengers should be for supers..... & Hawkeye. :oldrazz:

[bapi]

So we'll see Avengers in 2012...

[Congo Jack]

Ideal scenario for me, it'd be the team from AVENGERS #4: Captain America, Giant Man, Iron Man, Thor, and Wasp.

Taking on Hulk, preferably mind-controlled or something - I'd like to keep Hulk a heroic character unlike his counterpart in THE ULTIMATES.

Perhaps having Black Widow and Hawkeye drafted in by Fury half-way through the movie, since they'd have already been established in IRON MAN 2. Can't have an AVENGERS movie without Clint!

[chris moore]

How do people think the team should come together?

Already semi-together at the start of the movie due to the recruitment efforts of Fury in IronMan 1 and Tony in Incredible Hulk, or have individuals come together somewhat coincidentally as a result of "a villain no one hero can withstand"?

So should we have Iron Man be up against someone and not able to take them down, so he sends out an SOS and the core cast respond? Or could we assume that Nick has done the same thing with other off screen heroes as he did in Iron Man and the movie starts with a threat such as Baron Zemo or Strucker using a band of superpowered villains to carry out attacks on UN things as part of a grander plan?

I say use a slightly altered version of the unused scene in Incredible Hulk in the arctic. Bruce has gone up there for the solitude and meditation to further control the Hulk to be a force for good. He gets attacked by The Masters of Evil (never referred to as such cos its corny, but are the superpowered arm of Hydra, which is the organisation the Red Skull's groups have become since his disappearance during WW2 which his 2nd in command, Zemo or Strucker took control of in his absence) who want him to control him for their own ends as they don't know he has learned to control the beast somewhat. During the fight the ice cliff is destroyed akin to the deleted scene, and in the aftermath Bruce finds the destruction has uncovered a body. One he vaguely recognises, but moreso that it appears to be perfectly preserved and alive. He calls an old colleague (Hank Pym) as he thinks he knows who it is and knows time is of the essence if there is going to be any hope of reviving him now thawing has begun. Hank replies saying he knows the right people to bring in on this.

[Donnie Darko]

I think Henry Pym could VERY easily be introduced in the Avengers movie without even had been referenced in the solo films. Just have Fury or Stark introduce the rest of the team to him in his lab, where he is working on things for the team/possibly performing all the tests and rehab on Cap after he is unfrozen. He could start off as kind of the everyman/sideline character who halfway through the film uses his Pym particles to become part of the team. However, that would also delay Wasp getting her powers, so that may not work.

[chris moore]

Unless the attack that starts the necessity of the team's formation is that of a Hydra attack on Hank Pym's lab to obtain what has been released to the media as Pym particles that can change the size of organic or inorganic matter. Hydra wants it for a superhuman army to sell soldiers to terrorist groups, or to shrink down drug shipments, weapons etc. In the skirmish (in which Iron Man as the only official superhero responds), Hank is forced to use his Pym particles on himself and Janet to escape, and further in order to prevent something falling on them, or blasting them or something, Hank kind of releases in a rage to protect Jan and finds himself growing to giant size with accompanied strength.

Or, the attack is to steal Captain America's recently recovered body in order to learn the secrets of the Super Soldier Serum to sell to terrorist organisations. Hank is in charge of the revival of Cap and as in my above idea uses his discovery of Pym Particles (which he's kept secret) to enable he and Jan to escape. The dose he gives them though is uncalculated and untested (as he's only shrunk mice etc so far). His dose causes him to grow to great height. Hers interracts with her differently and while it does shrink her, the concentration of it is utilised differently and concentrates her bioenergy that would otherwise have been used to increase size as with Hank, into focussed bio blasts that overwhelm the human nervous system on contact.

[Hobgoblin-demon]

Hope they still put wasp in it.

[bigsams50]

I think this is a likely roster

Captain America
Thor
Iron Man
Nick Fury
Hawkeye
Black Widow


I agree

[Ahura Mazda]

Captain America
Thor
Iron Man
Hulk
Pym
The Wasp

I like the classics.

[Spider-Vader]

The Pyms should be on the team from the start IMO.
Just say they're scientist who are experts in size manipulation. It's not a hard concept.

[chris moore]

X-Men 1 had enough problems expanding on any heroes with only 4 on the team plus Rogue and Xavier. There's the risk of the same happening with 8 plus Nick Fury in Avengers. The only saving grace would be that X-Men focussed entirely on Logan, and four of the Avengers will have had their own movies by this point so expansion of them wouldn't be as necessary.

The Pym's work could be explained as having a starting point with the Hulk. Without acknowledging the Ang Lee movie they could say that the Hulks first appearance spurred Hanks research. Jan's father was a pentagon general who had been briefed on the details of the Hulk incident following the San Francisco appearance. The revelation of his being a normal sized man who changed in size and strength led the general to approach a scientist he trusted who was already on the government's payroll and so restrained by secrecy acts etc; the fiance of his daughter Janet. Looking into the phenomenon of a man gaining extra mass and weight from seemingly nowhere, Hank instead discovers Pym particles which shunt mass back and forth to and from another dimension sharing our own space. Its not what creates the Hulk, but when terrorists raid his facility (again, possibly the starting point and major threat for the movie) he and Janet accidentally get exposed to the entire stockpile of the particles which permanently links them both to the extradimensional source.

[Blackman]

This is gonna seem weird...but I want alot of heroes in this movie...I dont know it could be just like the villain curse and bite the movie in the ass but I want more than 5 heroes (excluding SHIELD agents)

[iamlegend]

Hawkeye always brought a different element to the Avengers, especially when he interacted with Cap. Bring him in.

[chris moore]

Absolutely!

[alexlachiusa]

I really, REALLY want to see Hawkeye in this film.

[protocida]

Captain America.
Iron Man.
Thor.
Hulk.
Wasp.
Giant-Man.
Black Widow.
Nick Fury.

:woot:

[Artistsean]

-Nick Fury (and SHIELD) bring the team together.
-Rick Jones (a SHIELD agent assigned to help Captain America become accustomed to modern times. Or perhaps he is just the agent assigned to the Avengers.)
-Jarvis (Stark's computer butler, interacts with the Avengers while they are staying and using Stark's mansion.)
-Hulk/Banner (manipulated by Loki as a villain, but then turns on Loki and joins the Avengers to fight him. Loose cannon character)
The Avengers:
Iron Man
Captain America
Giant Man
Wasp
Thor

Maybe during a sequel introduce characters like Hawkeye, Scarlet Witch, Quicksilver, Black Widow, setting them up to be stars in later Avengers films.
Eventually as the actors leave to do other movies, or their contracts expire, they can rotate the cast with other heroes.
Avengers 4 could star Hawkeye, Scarlet Witch, US Agent, Beast, Wonder Man, Tigra, Scarlet Witch, and Vision.

[tryp09]

WHAT
ABOUT
HAWKEYE?!

Our favorite marksman is getting no love at all man. Who else is going to shoot that water arrow to make the ground wet for Thor to blast with electricity? Use your brains people!

[That person]

Well, seeing as water alone does not conduct electricity, I don't think that that's a needed talent. Seriously, I want to see the original roster of Cap, Hulk, IM, (Gi)ant Man, and Wasp. Nothing more; nothing less. I wouldn't mind seeing Barton and Romanova appear as SHEILD agents, but if they're used as villains in IM2, that would be rather unlinkely.

[Blackman]

Main Members
Captain America
Iron Man
Thor
Henry Pym
Wasp
Black Panther
Hawkeye

Later
Hulk
The Falcon

[tryp09]

Main Members
Captain America
Iron Man
Thor
Henry Pym
Wasp
Black Panther
Hawkeye

Later
Hulk
The Falcon


I totally agree.

Let me add in the Later (maybe much later) category:
Wonderman
Vision
Quicksilver + Scarlet Witch

[Uncanny]

Scarlet Witch. I think the Scarlet Witch would bring more to the table in the Avengers movies than the Wasp would. Power level wise she is up there with Iron Man, Thor, the Hulk and Captain America. Besides the Scarlet Witch was mostly around Iron Man than the others Avengers and could even be in a Iron Man movie.

[Iron Mandarin]

Iron Man,Thor,Cap,Ant or Giant Man,Wasp and the Hulk. The story should center around these early members.Too many characters would kill this movie.You can always have glimpses of characters such as Vision,Scarlet Witch,Hawkeye,Black Panther,etc.

[Lobo]

Well, seeing as water alone does not conduct electricity, I don't think that that's a needed talent. Seriously, I want to see the original roster of Cap, Hulk, IM, (Gi)ant Man, and Wasp. Nothing more; nothing less. I wouldn't mind seeing Barton and Romanova appear as SHEILD agents, but if they're used as villains in IM2, that would be rather unlinkely.

You don't want Thor? He IS an original you know.

[Rich Santoro]

I would like to see Cap, Thor, IM, Wasp, Pym, Hulk in Avengers... with cameos to progressive speaking / supporting roles for Hawkeye and Black Widow across IM2, Cap, Avengers, IM3... until they become more central in A2.

Also, I would like to see Black Panther or Namor enter full-bore with the story arc in A2. Something like... Kang is coming to our time through a temporal channel that passes through Atlantis or Wakanda... bringing in the appropriate character.

Scarlet Witch and Vision are others that I would like to see folded in somehow.

[FaT_tONle]

I guess BW is assured at this point with her role in IM2. I guess they felt they needed to beef up the female presence to prevent it from being a sausage fest. But no way can you do Hawkeye justice if you stuff him in there with all the rest. I say leave him for the sequel. Or maybe give him his own movie first. Or IM3.

[Patch]

Lets see:

Dark Avengers:

Willim Dafoe/Iron Patriot
Cillian Murphy/Spiderman
Colin Farrell/Hawkeye
Maury Sterling/Wolverine
Elizabeth Banks/Ms. Marvel

New Avengers:

Toby McGuire/Spiderman
Hugh Jackman/Wolverine
Robert Downey Jr./Iron Man
Harold Perrineau/Luke Cage
Rachel McAdam/Spider Woman

Give a 5 min rundown of the end of the skrall invasion, normans rise to power, and the fall of nick fury.

Or just go with the standard roster everyone else is posting...

[KangConquers]

Avengers:

Captain America
Iron Man
Thor
Giant Man
Wasp
Hulk

S.H.I.E.L.D. liasons:

Nick Fury
Black Widow
Hawkeye
Dum Dum Duggan
Sharon Carter

[Spider-Vader]

This is what I'd like:
Iron Man
Captain America
Thor
Hulk
Giant Man/Ant Man
Wasp
Hawkeye

I don't want Fury or Widow as Avengers members.

[Matt Mortem]

If Fox has the rights to Mutants, it might be tough getting Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver in there. Even if they could, I don't want them making up some other reason for their powers, they gotta be muties

[FaT_tONle]

You scratch my back I'll scratch yours? Maybe Fox would be interested in using Marvel characters in their future films still under the control of Marvel. Black Panther/Namor in a FF movie maybe? What better way to introduce those characters? Probably will never work out that way but both sides would obviously benefit.

[Rich Santoro]

They could be presented as geno-morphs (a made up synonym for a mutant, in the Marvel context)... Beings with naturally occuring genetically discreet characterisics. Without getting into the details of mutants, which may be broadly owned by Fox at this time.

We can have radio-morps, like Hulk... the product of raditation (Gamma in this case)
Techno-morphs - IM, who is augmented by technology
Chemo-morphs - Chemically altered / enhanced beings

[Aztec]

I think it's important to note that The Avengers animated series that is scheduled to start in 2010 features: Captain America, Iron Man, Thor, Hulk, Ant-Man, and Wasp. That's also the same original lineup of The Ultimates. I'd be surprised if this isn't the direction they go with the movie.

[FaT_tONle]

They could be presented as geno-morphs (a made up synonym for a mutant, in the Marvel context)... Beings with naturally occuring genetically discreet characterisics. Without getting into the details of mutants, which may be broadly owned by Fox at this time.

We can have radio-morps, like Hulk... the product of raditation (Gamma in this case)
Techno-morphs - IM, who is augmented by technology
Chemo-morphs - Chemically altered / enhanced beings

Yes and no. It won't work with SW and QS... you can't introduce them (without hapassing them) without mentioning the Magneto connection, which means DNA/genetic/mutant alterations... aka mutants. It's a shame. I am hoping by movie 3 they can work out a deal to get them in there.

[Chewy]

I think it's important to note that The Avengers animated series that is scheduled to start in 2010 features: Captain America, Iron Man, Thor, Hulk, Ant-Man, and Wasp. That's also the same original lineup of The Ultimates. I'd be surprised if this isn't the direction they go with the movie.
And Hawkeye. The guy who is in charge of the show listed those characters and Hawkeye as ones who have major parts:
Right now, I’m the head writer of animated series called, “Avengers: Earth’s Mightiest Heroes.” And it is in production right now. We’re 19 episodes deep into a 26 episode order and it’s going to be amazing. Pretty much every single day I freak out about how much I love the show. It’s the Avengers. And it’s not crazy armored Avengers. Or it’s not Teen Avengers. It’s the Avengers you know and love and have always wanted to see. It’s Iron Man, Hulk, Thor, Ant Man, Wasp, Captain America, Hawkeye. It’s the Avengers. The premise of the show is literally, Avengers, go. There isn’t any crazy twist like they’re in an alternate reality or in the Negative Zone or some bizarre thing. “There is 40 years worth of Avengers’ stories, start telling them.”
from here (http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=20785)

[Matt Mortem]

wow, maybe they'll use that as a launching basis for introducing Hawkeye to a mass market. I'd be ok with Hawkeye in Avengers for sure

[Aztec]

And Hawkeye. The guy who is in charge of the show listed those characters and Hawkeye as ones who have major parts:

from here (http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=20785)

Hawkeye would make sense as well. That show sounds outstanding. I'm liking that there's no stupid gimmicks or anything. I'll have to check this out.

[Spider-Vader]

I hope that's the movie's line up, as long Pym can also turn into Giant Man.

[Afropik]

:bh:

[Aztec]

According to Feige at Comic-Con our Avengers line up appears to be:

Nick Fury
Thor
Captain America
Iron Man
Black Widow
Hulk

[dcHulk]

According to Feige at Comic-Con our Avengers line up appears to be:

Nick Fury
Thor
Captain America
Iron Man
Black Widow
Hulk

According to his answers, Hulk still seems questionable.

[Aztec]

According to his answers, Hulk still seems questionable.

He keeps going back and forth from full confirmation to murkiness. He did confirm "members of the Hulk universe" though. I'm not sure why they'd have any Hulk characters and not have the Hulk? Seems pointless to me.

[Khemik@L]

Yea I will have to assume if members of the Hulk universe are involved then Hulk himself is involved otherwise it won't make any sense for them to be involved. For example, the only likely reason General Ross would deal with the Avengers would be to find away to capture Hulk or something. So to have characters from Hulk without Hulk is just pointless to me.

[Spider-Vader]

Maybe Rick Jones. At first he's there to help Cap into the 21st century, then eventually become Hulk's friend. (Not my original idea, someone else on this forum said it)

[cerealkiller182]

Not such a horrible idea. Rick Jones as a concept as superhero best friend i think is sound. Just how do you introduce him? SHIELD isnt just gonna let one of the many saved civilians hang out. What about witness protection set up?

[chris moore]

I'm not keen on the limited number suggested by Feige. I mean, I don't want a dozen people running around either - we'll lose characterisation and exploration and risk having a Colossus situation going on. But to just form a team with characters who've only been in their own movies already ignores the chance to use those established characters to ensure audiences come to see them and then see a couple additonals with interesting abilities who the audience then falls for (as it were).

I'm not saying have Hawkeye AND Wasp AND Giant Man AND Vision Or Scarlet witch or something. But limit Fury to off field commanding and mission briefs. Leave wasp out of the first Avengers film as we don't need a shrinker and a grower first time out (instead having Hank induce her powers in a later Avengers movie in a life or loss situation). And keep Hawkeye in as someone already on the team but recently in a black ops capacity as in Ultimates (but not former or current military - make him another specially gifted individual who either made a bad decision and was offered a deal by Fury, or was a bit of a loose cannon in his being a vigilante and Fury saw a chance to focus a useful tool)

[KangConquers]

Avengers movie without the Pyms= not the avengers.

[jab1118]

I'm not keen on the limited number suggested by Feige. I mean, I don't want a dozen people running around either - we'll lose characterisation and exploration and risk having a Colossus situation going on. But to just form a team with characters who've only been in their own movies already ignores the chance to use those established characters to ensure audiences come to see them and then see a couple additonals with interesting abilities who the audience then falls for (as it were).

I'm not saying have Hawkeye AND Wasp AND Giant Man AND Vision Or Scarlet witch or something. But limit Fury to off field commanding and mission briefs. Leave wasp out of the first Avengers film as we don't need a shrinker and a grower first time out (instead having Hank induce her powers in a later Avengers movie in a life or loss situation). And keep Hawkeye in as someone already on the team but recently in a black ops capacity as in Ultimates (but not former or current military - make him another specially gifted individual who either made a bad decision and was offered a deal by Fury, or was a bit of a loose cannon in his being a vigilante and Fury saw a chance to focus a useful tool)

I like this, and im very much in favor of casting good/ known actors in these minor roles like Pym Hawkeye ala Ryan Reynolds as deadpool, and put in there contracts that they will get there own solo movies. Its a really good way to make a character who will not get much screen time interesting. And it creates interest in characters that may be fairly unknown to the general public, so when a Hawkeye movie comes out intead of someone saying who the hell is that, they say oh yeah that dude was bad ass in avengers. I know most people came out of wolverine thinkig that wasnt very good but I wanna see a deadpool movie. Now lets do that but heres a crazy thought make the original movie good too.

[Superhero 101]

Wasn't War Machine supposed to appear in the film as a cameo?

[Spider-Vader]

Not such a horrible idea. Rick Jones as a concept as superhero best friend i think is sound. Just how do you introduce him? SHIELD isnt just gonna let one of the many saved civilians hang out. What about witness protection set up?

Maybe he's an agent of SHIELD or maybe SHIELD hired him to help Cap out. Then he sees the Avengers fighting Hulk & understands that the Hulk just wants to be left alone. Maybe Rick can help the Hulk become a hero.

[protocida]

It should be:

Captain America.
Iron Man.
Thor.
Hulk.
Wasp.
Giant Man.
Black Widow.
Nick Fury.

[iamlegend]

He keeps going back and forth from full confirmation to murkiness. He did confirm "members of the Hulk universe" though. I'm not sure why they'd have any Hulk characters and not have the Hulk? Seems pointless to me.

They might have to do that for one reason: Ed Norton.

If Marvel Studios had their way, the Hulk would certainly be there. But there's some debate as to whether A. Norton would even be interested, B. Norton be willing to accept the scaled down pay that would be a necessity in order to have a cast with so many mega-stars.

[KangConquers]

I like this, and im very much in favor of casting good/ known actors in these minor roles like Pym Hawkeye ala Ryan Reynolds as deadpool, and put in there contracts that they will get there own solo movies. Its a really good way to make a character who will not get much screen time interesting. And it creates interest in characters that may be fairly unknown to the general public, so when a Hawkeye movie comes out intead of someone saying who the hell is that, they say oh yeah that dude was bad ass in avengers. I know most people came out of wolverine thinkig that wasnt very good but I wanna see a deadpool movie. Now lets do that but heres a crazy thought make the original movie good too.

Pym is NOT a minor role. Without Pym there's no Ultron. Ultron is arguably their top villain. That alone makes the pym's necessary.

[chris moore]

It makes Hank necessary really. Notsomuch Jan. I would like her to appear, but maybe not in the first Avengers movie. Or if she did I would prefer her to be just Jan, not Wasp, and have her around in a semi-supporting role to allow for the possibility of including her being trapped or in mortal danger during the final battle which forces Hank to give her pym particles to escape, which react abnormally and induce the wing like manifestations in additon to the shrinking

[Aztec]

Pym is NOT a minor role. Without Pym there's no Ultron. Ultron is arguably their top villain. That alone makes the pym's necessary.

I have yet to see one good reason why it HAS to be Henry Pym who creates Ultron. Tony Stark is pretty darn good with robotics himself. Just because it happened one way in the comics, that doesn't mean the films will be the same.

[protocida]

Ultron's programation is based on Pym's disturbed persona. Tony Stark is not disturbed. Besides, he's not as much a robotics genius like Pym is.

[jab1118]

Pym is NOT a minor role. Without Pym there's no Ultron. Ultron is arguably their top villain. That alone makes the pym's necessary.

I'm sorry to say that for pym ti b in avengers it's going to be a minor role or a nonexistant role that was kind of the point of my post u get a good actor for pym and give him his own movie between avengers 1 and 2 where ultron can be developed. To think he could share screen time with iron man will have two blockbuster movies and cap and Thor will most likely have blockbusters of there own is just silly. Also two minor characters are big names. And I know people like the pyms but yo be honest there powers are pretty lame Jan especially. An while some peoe weren't aware of iron man and cap and Thor aren't exactly batman spiderman. Nobody knows who the pyms are. The only people who woul even know they were missing would be people like us. Nobody is walking out avengers and saying yeah that epic battle with cap iron man hulk and Thor was awesome but where was the scientist who controls ants and his wife who shrinks and for some reason grows bug wings

[protocida]

Nobody knew who Iron Man was before 2008. The Pyms are an integral part of the Avengers in Comics, and so it should be in the cinema.

[iamlegend]

Nobody knew who Iron Man was before 2008. The Pyms are an integral part of the Avengers in Comics, and so it should be in the cinema.

Iron Man has always been a far more mainstream hero than the Pyms, or almost any of the Avengers really. The top three Avengers exposure (lets say encompassing all media except movies) have always been Captain America, Iron Man and the Hulk. Characters like Thor and the Pyms aren't even close.

Mainstream audiences would have no freaking clue who Hank or Jan Pym was. All they'd see is people that could grow/shrink, nothing new or original.

[Chris B]

It should be:

Captain America.
Iron Man.
Thor.
Hulk.
Wasp.
Giant Man.
Black Widow.
Nick Fury.

I agree.

[Iron_Stark]

Ultron's programation is based on Pym's disturbed persona. Tony Stark is not disturbed. Besides, he's not as much a robotics genius like Pym is.

What?