Mark Millar's Many Thoughts On Superman

[GNR]

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=133795

And he’s already started the ball rolling, according to a post by the creator on his website (http://forums.millarworld.tv/index.php?showtopic=74258):

It's 8.58am right now, my guys at CAA get into the office in about seven hours and my call will be waiting for them to talk about this. I want to revamp Superman like Hillary wants thin ankles. Revamping this franchise is what I as given fingers for and so, invited or not, I'm putting my plan together now. I've been asked to work on half a dozen screenplays lately, but this is the only one I have ever truly wanted.

As most here know, I have literally hundreds of pages of notes and sketches just waiting for this opportunity. This would be my dream gig and, as a fan, I know exactly what this project needs to work. This has to be Superman for the 21st Century, keeping everything we adore, but starting from scratch and making the kids love it as much as the 30-somethings. I would honestly write this thing for free.

Anyway, my treatment is being polished as we type. Wish me luck. I want to do that Superman movie we all want to see.


For you non comics readers,Mark has written such books as The Ultimates 1 and 2,Wolverine,Ultimate Fantastic Four,Ultimate X-Men,The Authority and Civil War.

His Superman work includes Superman Adventures and Superman Red Son.

[fabman]

Yeah, that's exactly what we need. A writer who's passionate about Superman but wants to bring something fresh at the same time.

[GreenKToo]

wow. I wonder if W.B. will at least give it a look? they'd be crazy not to.

[Showtime]

If the don't they are completely out of it regarding their comicbook franchises.

[Ita-KalEl]

I would ask to Mark Miller, or Mark Waid, maybe even Morrison...not to Mark Millar, a famous superhero killer.
With Civil War he has almost destroyed the Marvel Universe...

[gkokujin]

i dunno about this...

[Lobster Charlie]

I'd rather Grant Morrison. Actually, I'd even take David Goyer (on a leash).

[Crazymaverick]

What about Geoff Johns?

(I've a thread for him too!)

[Showtime]

What about Lobster Charlie!

[Crazymaverick]

Lobster Charlie?

[Showtime]

I was being funny, it says Lobster Charlie is from Hollywood...but Millar scares me...

http://www.supermanhomepage.com/comics/interviews/interviews-intro.php?topic=c-interview_millar

Q: Who would you like to see play Superman on the big screen in another Superman movie?

Don't laugh, but I thought Nic Cage was an interesting idea. I hated Dean Cain so much and thought he looked, acted and sounded more unlike Superman than Teri Hatcher. Compared to Cain, Cage actually IS Superman and the fact that he's an Oscar-winning actor would, I think, bring some much-needed dignity after the TV show. He doesn't look like Superman, granted, but ANYONE can look like a superhero with the right wig, make-up, special effects, etc.

If I could choose anyone, I think I'd opt for Daniel Day-Lewis. The last rumour I heard from a friend in Hollywood was that he was being seriously considered. Being Irish shouldn't prevent him from tackling such an all-American role. I mean, Superman's from Krypton, isn't he?

[fabman]

Well, Millar would just write the script, he'd no way direct or be involved with the casting.

[GNR]

I would ask to Mark Miller, or Mark Waid, maybe even Morrison...not to Mark Millar, a famous superhero killer.
With Civil War he has almost destroyed the Marvel Universe...

That was pretty much what Marvel wanted in order to establish their current state of stories.You speak as if it was all his doing as well,where Marvel wanted to end up at the end was already planned,they just needed someone to write it and bridge the gap.Sacrificed a whole lot of story in the process,but the MU is hot right now without a doubt.

Morrison and Johns would be great as well,but these guys have so much on their respective plates at the moment.

Geoff has like 4-5 monthlies going on,plus 2 big projects in 2008.

Morrison is still working on his Area 51 treatment from a while back,All Star Superman,and of course DC's big event for 2008,Final Crisis.

I'm all for anyone giving us something new and fresh.

[Showtime]

Still scary a bit scary. Although I would have to see what is take was first.

[Spike_x1]

Johns is busy writing crappy Action Comics. Millar, however, would be amazing to have on for the next movie. :up::up:

[Dr. Fate]

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For you non comics readers,Mark has written such books as The Ultimates 1 and 2,Wolverine,Ultimate Fantastic Four,Ultimate X-Men,The Authority and Civil War.

His Superman work includes Superman Adventures and Superman Red Son.
I can dig it.

[bunk]

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=133795



For you non comics readers,Mark has written such books as The Ultimates 1 and 2,Wolverine,Ultimate Fantastic Four,Ultimate X-Men,The Authority and Civil War.

His Superman work includes Superman Adventures and Superman Red Son.


I'd be down for that. I'm sure WB would at least take a look at it. He proved to me with Red Son he has a very good understanding of the mythos.

[Showtime]

Red Son is fantastic.

[dark_b]

just because he is a comic book writter doesnt make him the right choice IMO.

maybe in 2008 burton would writte the right story.its about right timing,luck and of course how drunk you are.

[Showtime]

That is true as well DB.

[Canis Sapiens]

Millar's a fantastic comic book writer. He did an amazing job in The Ultimates. Hell, he made Cap cool again! If he could do the same with a Superman screenplay... wow. Just wow.

:woot:

[fabman]

That's true, but give him a chance already. What I like most about the article is that someone wants to reinvent the Superman movie franchise.

[dark_b]

That is true as well DB.and as you already wrotte like 100 times the script was better in your eyes. and what you wrotte on SHH i agree.
so baiscly i could say that the script was good.but the movie was not like the script.
so someone can writte the perfect script then WB hires a bad director and they force him to cut down the time.
i still think that we just got lucky with nolan. it was the right timing,nolan worked with the right people and WB was not using hard drugs :dry::csad:

[dark_b]

That's true, but give him a chance already. What I like most about the article is that someone wants to reinvent the Superman movie franchise.its not like he tomorrow is the end of the world and only millars script can save it. milions of peopel would want to writte a superman script for free. smith said this on youtube. they gave him tons of money but he would do it for free....because its superman.
and i htink that this news is so special because he said free.
i think that if you would ask 100 comicbook writter more then 50% would say that they would do a script for cheap money.

[Showtime]

and as you already wrotte like 100 times the script was better in your eyes. and what you wrotte on SHH i agree.
so baiscly i could say that the script was good.but the movie was not like the script.

Most of the time a film doesn't play out like a script, but in my mind, a director is supposed to make the movie even better than a good script. Then you get a great movie.

so someone can writte the perfect script then WB hires a bad director and they force him to cut down the time. i still think that we just got lucky with nolan. it was the right timing,nolan worked with the right people and WB was not using hard drugs :dry::csad:

This is the nature of the business. It's almost hit or miss in some instances.

[dark_b]

Most of the time a film doesn't play out like a script, but in my mind, a director is supposed to make the movie even better than a good script. Then you get a great movie.



This is the nature of the business. It's almost hit or miss in some instances.i think its imposible to make hte movie like the script. changs happen everytime. but from what you said singer changed............a lot :wow::dry::csad:
he changed a lot while filming but the finale was in the editing where he took away teh scene that was important. the title is superman returns but SR starts with a campy lex scene. ''the rest is mine'' :dry:

and lets compare the landing scene of SR and TF. i am 100% sure that when i read that the ship will land next to marthas house i was 100% sure that it would look like in TF where optimus lands. but singer wanted a deep scene so he showed us only the reflection. TF was direct. it showed how teh hip landed .....you saw everything.

[Showtime]

i think its imposible to make hte movie like the script. changs happen everytime. but from what you said singer changed............a lot :wow::dry::csad:
he changed a lot while filming but the finale was in the editing where he took away teh scene that was important. the title is superman returns but SR starts with a campy lex scene. ''the rest is mine'' :dry:

and lets compare the landing scene of SR and TF. i am 100% sure that when i read that the ship will land next to marthas house i was 100% sure that it would look like in TF where optimus lands. but singer wanted a deep scene so he showed us only the reflection. TF was direct. it showed how teh hip landed .....you saw everything.

That is the difference between Bay and Singer. Bay does things in a more "fantastic" way than Singer. What I mean by that, is that Bay doesn't try and ground everything into reality. Actually, Bay is Singer's Bizzaro. Everything Singer does, Bay does the opposite.

You can bet if Bay did Superman Returns there would be alien invasions, robotic guards, scenes of Superman and the American flag. Singer's polar opposite.

[dark_b]

That is the difference between Bay and Singer. Bay does things in a more "fantastic" way than Singer. What I mean by that, is that Bay doesn't try and ground everything into reality. Actually, Bay is Singer's Bizzaro. Everything Singer does, Bay does the opposite.

You can bet if Bay did Superman Returns there would be alien invasions, robotic guards, scenes of Superman and the American flag. Singer's polar opposite.
but showtime 200 milions. :csad:200 milions. i wanted to see a close up of the ship flying into the orbit and then i wanted to see it land and make a big hole.
200 milions. we deserved to see what happens. :dry:

[batman44]

I'd like to see what Miller comes up with for a Superman movie.

[bunk]

its not like he tomorrow is the end of the world and only millars script can save it. milions of peopel would want to writte a superman script for free. smith said this on youtube. they gave him tons of money but he would do it for free....because its superman.
and i htink that this news is so special because he said free.
i think that if you would ask 100 comicbook writter more then 50% would say that they would do a script for cheap money.


I think it's the fact that he's got hundreds of pages of notes and he's been waiting for the opportunity forever that interests me. Not that he's willing to write the thing for free.

[super-t]

This is pretty cool, i at least say give the man a chance cause he seems like he actually cares about the product, and being a comic writer i bet he has rich knowledge of the character more than some people. My ONLY wish to watever he does revamp or sequel or a sequel revamp WB PLEASE KEEP ROUTH!!

But since he said his treatment is being polished as we type.....does that mean hes almost done??!!

[dark_b]

when you say a chance you mean that he should writte something and show it to WB: because we all know that WB could hate fanboys dream superman movie.

[Showtime]

but showtime 200 milions. :csad:200 milions. i wanted to see a close up of the ship flying into the orbit and then i wanted to see it land and make a big hole.
200 milions. we deserved to see what happens. :dry:

I'm not disagreeing with you, it's just you're not going to get as much bang for your buck with Singer as you do with Bay.

[super-t]

when you say a chance you mean that he should writte something and show it to WB: because we all know that WB could hate fanboys dream superman movie.

then i say we blow em up!

[Sub-Zero]

if this rumor is true we might as well give him a chance. david goyer was really a hack before he came up with the batman begins story. blade's 1 and 2 were stupid.

[dark_b]

if this rumor is true we might as well give him a chance. david goyer was really a hack before he came up with the batman begins story. blade's 1 and 2 were stupid.i am insulted :dry:
i want you to fail in life :o

just joking :woot:

[ultimatefan]

Actually, Millar presents a lot of the same problems that a lot of fanboys associated with Singer and his team: too dark and cynical.

[dark_b]

Actually, Millar presents a lot of the same problems that a lot of fanboys associated with Singer and his team: too dark and cynical.but he is a comic writter. he can not fail :woot:

[Hypestyle]

is Millar still in the running?

[Showtime]

Kevin Millar?

[ultimatefan]

but he is a comic writter. he can not fail :woot:

:woot:

[TheBat812]

Sure, give him a shot. But in the meantime get somebody who actually knows how to write a movie script too. The film and comic medium are so different to write for. If anything, I say, let him write out an outline for a film. If the ideas are baller as hell, let him try to write it. In the meantime have somebody else go for a different take. Then decide.

[fabman]

I say, let Millar work on the story outline and on the take and let a very talented (movie) scribe write the actual screenplay with him.

[Octoberist]

if this rumor is true we might as well give him a chance. david goyer was really a hack before he came up with the batman begins story. blade's 1 and 2 were stupid.

why did you come from? A world where Trinity was the best Blade film? Strange land, I must say. lol.

[Matt]

I like Millar's comic work, and am interested to see what he would do, but I think he is best off writing else world stories when it comes to Big Blue.

[ChickenScratch]

I was gonna say it but you guys beat me to it. Maybe Millar can do the lions share of the work and an experienced film scribe consult/edit/polish what Millar's working on. I am interested by his saying he has such a backlog of ideas, I'm sure he can put together something pretty compelling pretty easily.

Oh, and to the guy who mentioned Bay as the Anti-Singer. Dude, Bay doing a Superman movie would be so outta control it would be insane. Just thinking of the crazy crap he does I think it would be an intense experience.

[Nivek]

Miller? Mark Miller? The guy who turned Ultimate Hulk into being a rip-off of LXG's Mr. Hyde? Cannibal, rapist, murderer? No thanks, I believe a good writer can bring an edge to a character by not having them act out of character. The guys a joke, and anyone who thinks this is a good idea needs to bob for brownies out of a toilet

[Katsuro]

A reboot is the worst possible idea. Seriously, do we really need four seperate actors playing four seperate versions of Superman all within a couple of years? It's ridiculous, and it's not going to happen.

[hippie_hunter]

A reboot is the worst possible idea. Seriously, do we really need four seperate actors playing four seperate versions of Superman all within a couple of years? It's ridiculous, and it's not going to happen.

Considering that Warner Bros wants a sequel, a reboot is very unlikely to happen, but I'd love to see what Millar can do with the character.

[bunk]

Miller? Mark Miller? The guy who turned Ultimate Hulk into being a rip-off of LXG's Mr. Hyde? Cannibal, rapist, murderer? No thanks, I believe a good writer can bring an edge to a character by not having them act out of character. The guys a joke, and anyone who thinks this is a good idea needs to bob for brownies out of a toilet

I like the idea of someone writing a Superman screenplay who actually reads Superman comics (even writes them occasionally).

Call me crazy I guess.

[ToddIsDead]

If you've heard anything about Millar's take on a mainstream Superman, you'd know that this would be like Schumacher's Batman all over again.

[bunk]

He'll give them what they want. A Millar revamp could be crazy though I don't think that's what WB will be looking for after Justice League.

[Spike_x1]

Miller? Mark Miller? The guy who turned Ultimate Hulk into being a rip-off of LXG's Mr. Hyde? Cannibal, rapist, murderer? No thanks, I believe a good writer can bring an edge to a character by not having them act out of character. The guys a joke, and anyone who thinks this is a good idea needs to bob for brownies out of a toiletIf it were 616 Hulk that Millar had done that to, then I could completely understand your argument, but Ultimate Hulk was a new slate for him to work with. Other than being the superstrong alterego of Bruce Banner (and even that might not have been a requirement; who knows), Millar was under no obligation to make the character have any similarity to the mainstream Hulk.

[aroundthefur33]

i actually love this, he is a great comic writer, and well as long as he does not do a sequel of returns i am in favor for miller...


revamp or reboot...not more Stalking Lois Lane and being a dead beat dad...

[terry78]

The issue is that when comic book writers write movies, they make them TOO outrageous. Yet when screenplay writers write comic movies they don't make them outrageous enough.

[GNR]

Actually, Millar presents a lot of the same problems that a lot of fanboys associated with Singer and his team: too dark and cynical.

His Ultimate F4 run was far from that.

[Figs]

The issue is that when comic book writers write movies, they make them TOO outrageous. Yet when screenplay writers write comic movies they don't make them outrageous enough.


That's a very good point! It's not easy to get the right writer who can find the perfect middle ground.

[Sawyer]

As long as its fun (which SR was not), action-packed, somewhat thought-provoking and not campy, let Millar write it.

[TheComicbookKid]

How long until someone post that interview with Millar where he talks about his thoughts on Superman.

[GNR]

If you've heard anything about Millar's take on a mainstream Superman, you'd know that this would be like Schumacher's Batman all over again.

And why is that?Have you read Red Son?Superman Adventures?

[ToddIsDead]

And why is that?Have you read Red Son?Superman Adventures?

Red Son was brilliant. I love most of Millar's work up until this point, but that doesn't change the fact that he has some real backwards-ass ideas about Superman. If I can find the interview, I'll post it.

[I Am The Knight]

Mark Millar from The Authority? Hmmm, it could be interesting. But he might want to put a "spin" on Superman that the fanboys will hate just as much as The Kid.

[Naite22]

If this guy is allowed to write the next superman movie, I'm all for it. ANYTHING TO SCRATCH THAT ****ING JLA MOVIE!!!

[Retroman]

Maybe they could get Millar as story consultant or as a co-writer to someone with actual experience in writing screenplays for movies. I'm not confident in his ability as a screenwriter as to opposed to his work on comic books .I love his enthusiasm though.:up:

Something tells me that Warners offices will be bombarded with phone calls in the next few days. This is a job so many writers would kill for.:super:

[Sawyer]

I think alot of comic writers should throw their hats in the ring.

[Yellow Cyclone]

red son is arguably one of the best superman stories ever written

millar is like 50 steps beyond anything harris & co. could've done, this is great news

[Dark Knight]

If the don't they are completely out of it regarding their comicbook franchises.


Mark Millar and Mark Waid should be consultants or should write the story and then bring in a good screenwriter.

They should use the same format as they did with the Nolans and Goyer.

[Dark Knight]

Maybe they could get Millar as story consultant or as a co-writer to someone with actual experience in writing screenplays for movies. I'm not confident in his ability as a screenwriter as to opposed to his work on comic books .I love his enthusiasm though.:up:

Something tells me that Warners offices will be bombarded with phone calls in the next few days. This is a job so many writers would kill for.:super:



Thats basically what I think also.

Mark Waids BIRTHRIGHT was a great story as well.

[aroundthefur33]

the thing i am wondering is why not go off of one of those story lines, like batman begins took alot from year one, why not start with birthright or even jeph loebs superman for all seasons, i mean those storys would be great...look at how great sin city turned out

[bgshw44]

as long as its a sequel and not a revamp. i still would like to see what McQuarrie could do

[Excel]

*points at sig* :D :D :D :D

[BrollySupersj]

When he says "revamp Superman"

What does that mean exactly?

Start the franchise over?

If so, I'm so NOT for it.

[Dark Knight]

A complete revamp would be a mistake IMO also.

I hope McQuarrie gets hired to write the screenplay and maybe bring in Mark Waid to consult on the story.

[aroundthefur33]

When he says "revamp Superman"

What does that mean exactly?

Start the franchise over?

If so, I'm so NOT for it.
why?

[Motown Marvel]

i would be all for millar taking script duties, but i dont want a revamp. i want singer's sequel, and i'd be totally cool with millar working with singer on the story/script.

[Robin91939]

This could be the 2nd best news I've heard all year!


Ditch Singer, Routh, Bonesworth, Spacey, and bring in real actors, a real badass action/drama director, and by the way since Millar wants an updated Superman bring on Tom Welling as SUPERMAN, and everything will be right again with the world of DC.



David Goyer is the Anti Christ! Seriously tho I don't like his directing but his writing is pretty good. But I wouldn't let him write it alone.

Get REAL actors and you cite that Tom Welling should be Superman? That's a contradiction. I like Welling, I do, but how can you say "Ditch SPACEY" that's Oscar Award Winner, Kevin Spacey, "and bring in REAL actors". That right there is not an intelligent sentence my friend. Kevin Spacey is one of, if not, the finest actors of our time, no need to recast him. Routh was GREAT as Superman, this is a pretty universal opinion, critics, fans, the mass public etc, no need to recast. Kate is a question mark. She was pretty good, but they did miss the Lois Lane mark a little with her. James Marsden as Richard White, he was really good, a great actor. The actor's weren't the problem. The only problem the film had was that fans, myself included were expecting a modern age Superman, not a silver age Superman.

-R

[Lord Blackbolt]

I don't like the idea of a revamp....That's what they should have done....but it's now too late . How will they address the little kid issue? And by the time they actually do a sequel...that kid from the first movie will be a teen by the time they start.

I am kinda dying to read what the old writers had planned. I hear Darksied was involved?.....

[Sun_Down]

This is interesting indeed. I love Millar's work at Marvel, but I have to say I've never read his DC work and he's definitely not the first guy I'd think of for Superman.

I'm glad to hear that they want to keep Routh and they're still referring to it as a sequel. More than that, I'm just glad to hear SOMETHING about this project moving forward.

Even if this doesn't pan out, I'm definitely interested in checking out whatever he's cooking up.

[BrollySupersj]

why?

I'm not a man of change.

I like the donner universe, I don't think the Superman movie needs a revamp.

[SuperDaniel]

I`d sday Mark Millar, Mark Waid, Jeph Loeb, Paul Dini/Bruce Timm should be on the list of guys to write this movie...

[CGHulk]

I'm all for Millar to penn the screenplay!!

[Lord Blackbolt]

I think I remember Millar commenting on Superman Returns saying how the movie felt like it was the last in a franchise...and putting the kid is what most franchises do when they are on it's last legs and how Singer was wrong about doing that......

I many ways I thought he was right. That's why I'm wondering what he will do...Complete reboot...revamp...or revamped sequel?

[Sun_Down]

I many ways I thought he was right. That's why I'm wondering what he will do...Complete reboot...revamp...or revamped sequel?


The story on the SHH frontpage made it sound like they're still considering it a sequel, with Routh likely to return. It may very well have a whole new feel, but it still appears to be a sequel.

[Dark Knight]

The story on the SHH frontpage made it sound like they're still considering it a sequel, with Routh likely to return. It may very well have a whole new feel, but it still appears to be a sequel.


Exactly.

I hope they try and get McQuarrie or Stephen Gaghan to write the screenplay with story consultation from Mark Waid, Jeph Loeb or Dini.

[LostSon88]

No revamp.

Just stick with what's been established and work some SERIOUS Superman mythology into it.

Keep Routh, Spacey and Bosworth...its not their fault SR underperformed.

I want a sequel to Superman Returns, not a re-start.

[SuperDaniel]

It will be a revamp...so says MM...

[TheComicbookKid]

This is from Millarworld itself. (Don't have the link now). Mark Millar's views on Supermaan and how would *FIX* him....

On his connection to Batman: "[Superman and Batman are] both orphans. They absolutely understand each other and know that there's nobody else they can count on as much as they other. PS I know Superman isn't an orphan in this dreadful period he's been under seige (from 1986 until Hitchy and I fix him again), but the true understanding of the character is, like Bambi, he loses his Mum and Dad again. All the iconic heroes do whether it's Superman, Bambi or Batman."

On why Bryan Hitch is his ideal Superman collaborator: "Hitchy's even worse than me. Although he looks much older and has trouble sleeping through the night without a piss, Hitchy is only three weeks younger than me. Thus, we grew up on the same Cary Bates Superman comics aged 6-14. Exactly the same comics. We were also 8 years old when we saw Superman and Hitch, like me, can repeat the entire movie line for line. You should hear our daily phone chats. They're a hymn to Superman. Fixing this mess has been our destiny. It'll happen. Not for a while, but it'll happen."

On Clark Kent: "Clark is a pair of glasses. Superman doesn't need glasses. He puts on the glasses for no practical reason; just to dress up and pretend to be this mid-westwern guy he's not as a means of rubbing shoulders with the people on this planet. Superman would have thought he was human until puberty. Until maybe 12. The easiest way to understand it is to think of Jesus in the temple and the moment where his mother has to tell him the truth. He always knew he was different and alone. This is when it was all explained to him. He could still love his parents, but Clark is him trying to understand what humans are all about. As Elliot Maggin puts it, Clark Kent is a living, breathing work of art."

On Lois Lane: "Superman doesn't love Lois. Clark loves Lois and Superman tries HARD to love Lois, but he can't because she's the wrong species. But he tries. Again, Maggin sums it up beautifully. It doesn't have to be complicated... Clark loves Lois, Lois loves Superman, Superman loves Clark [...] Perfect. This is also one of the reasons Superman shouldn't be married to Lois. It's just stupid. It makes no sense and destroys the whole dynamic. Superman is God, Jor-El is the Holy Spirit and Clark Kent is Jesus. The Kents are Mary and Joseph and Lois is Mary Magdelene. She's the NYC girl who's ____ed her way around the city and found nobody who measures up. She's just had it with men and is focusing on her career... then Superman shows up. This is why Margot Kidder was perfect for the role and why Lois should be played by someone around 30 even if Supes is being played by a 25 year old. You'll see what I mean when we fix it."

On the current version of the character: "[Kingdom Come] is close to perfect. Waid gets it. None of the other American writers do, though Loeb comes close. His only weakness is getting caught up in the whole farmboy thing. The farm is where he grew up and knew he was NOTHING LIKE THESE PEOPLE. He affects it for the Clark persona, but that's it. He's as Kryptonian as Jesus is divine. Did Jesus shag Mary Mag? I don't think so. Superman should never shag Lois. It's insane and what happens when artists start touching tyoewriters. Jimmy is the reader-identification figure and the comedy relief. PS I'm saving everything else for the launch. No other ideas from me here, I'm afraid, in case some ____ nicks em."

On mixing metaphors: "No brimstone for Superman. He's interesting enough without it. He sees Earth the way immigrants saw America 100 years ago. He sees a chance for hope and a new life after losing his homeland as a kid. He loves people because he recognizes their great potential and, like Krypton, he wants to encourage them towards the Utopia his father sent him from. Forget Byrne. Read the Bible."

On the previous pitch Millar had made with Grant Morrison, Mark Waid and Tom Peyer: "The pitch we did was very late 90s and all the things I WOULDN'T do if Superman was being revamped now. It was nice, but it was the whole retro 60s thing that Grant's into as opposed to what I'd want to do myself. This thing was pretty good, but would be absolutely wrong for now. It still had Superman married to Lois and all that ____. There was another draft Mark Waid added with Earth getting a mind-wipe to forget that stuff and it had some nice touches, but I'd just start from scratch."

On how close Superman is to humanity: "Humans were apes less than 50 million years ago. Kryptonians are what we'd be like in 20 billion years. I have this all worked out as part of the proposal. In the last two years, I've filled two entire ring-binders with the plan. There's some AMAZING stuff in here. Hitch has also been doing little design doodles for the last five years. It's fate that we met."


This was Millar in an interview from 2004. I found this on newsarama which was originally from MILLARWORLD. It's a wizard interview.

[Nightwing1977]

I don't want Millar writing the Superman movie. Some of his ideas made me feel uneasy. If they went with what he did, some of you guys would've wish Harris & Dougherty stay. Millar made did a great job on Red Son, but you guys should know that isn't the same Superman we love. Just an elseworld tale that isn't Superman like he is in the regular DC universe & the movies. Get someone like Mark Waid or Geoff Johns. I think they would've done it better than Millar. Thought that nice Millar would do the script for free. ;)

[SuperDaniel]

I read what he said and i loved it. Especially this:

"No brimstone for Superman. He's interesting enough without it. He sees Earth the way immigrants saw America 100 years ago. He sees a chance for hope and a new life after losing his homeland as a kid. He loves people because he recognizes their great potential and, like Krypton, he wants to encourage them towards the Utopia his father sent him from. Forget Byrne. Read the Bible."

This is Superman to me.

[bgshw44]

who ever comes up with the best SEQUEL to SR im all for.

[sepharih]

I actually really enjoy and agree with most of his ideas. Really...it basically reads to me as “I want to give Superman his cohones back”.

The only thing I feel uneasy about are his ideas towards the relationship with Batman. Sorry, but Frank Miller explained it perfectly. Superman believes that there is a natural order to the world, that people are basically good, and that the only way this order is disrupted is when bad people try to affect it. Batman believes that the natural state of the world is entropy, and that the only way the world has any order or sense is when you instill a sense of order upon it, and when you force it too make sense. I don’t care how you try and spin it, or whatever identification they might have as “orphans”. These two characters would not like each other.

[SuperDaniel]

Well..to me they are both heroes and both want the same thing: Earth to be a better place.

So i dont see why they would hate each other.

Frank Miller isnt always right...

[Sub-Zero]

why did you come from? A world where Trinity was the best Blade film? Strange land, I must say. lol.

u misinterpreted that. haven't even seen trinity. it looked really really bad.

[matrix_ghost]

Well it's obviously good news that a comic writer has expressed his interested in writing the script for the sequel.
Having said that , i'm not sure this could work
He may write a script that that is actually closer to the comics and finally explores other characters ( such as braniac , darkseid etc) . But that doesn't mean that it can be realised on screen. Comics and movies are two different mediums . You have free reign to make a comic with all cool action scenes.
You don't have free reign when making a movie. Money plays a big role and it can very well turn out to be too expensive. Millar can probably rewrite the script so that it can have a budget that isn't sky-high but that doesn't mean that he'll sacrifice the story. You can only go so far with the story and once he's come to a point where he feels that he's screwing up the character he'll probably bail.

Or not. But the thing is , money plays a large role here. I hope that he considers that when writing the script.

[sepharih]

Well..to me they are both heroes and both want the same thing: Earth to be a better place.

So i dont see why they would hate each other.

Frank Miller isnt always right...

Oh goodness sakes no. Miller is far from always right. And, “hate” is a strong word.

Still, it’s been applied by so many other writers who’ve ever done Superman and Batman team ups for a good reason I think.
My impression has always been that yes, these two characters do want the same thing (stated perfectly in Kingdom Come), but they have such radically different means to achieve the same end that they just can’t see eye to eye. My impression is that they want to like each other...but they’re completely unable to. Their entire outlooks on life and on the human race are just so conflicting that they just wind up pissing each other off with one’s naive optimism and the others hardened realism.
Plus, even if it wasn’t the most logical direction, I still think it’s a much more interesting dynamic personally.

[Sub-Zero]

Well it's obviously good news that a comic writer has expressed his interested in writing the script for the sequel.

Having said that , i'm not sure this could work

He may write a script that that is actually closer to the comics and finally explores other characters ( such as braniac , darkseid etc) . But that doesn't mean that it can be realised on screen. Comics and movies are two different mediums . You have free reign to make a comic with all cool action scenes.

You don't have free reign when making a movie. Money plays a big role and it can very well turn out to be too expensive. Millar can probably rewrite the script so that it can have a budget that isn't sky-high but that doesn't mean that he'll sacrifice the story. You can only go so far with the story and once he's come to a point where he feels that he's screwing up the character he'll probably bail.



Or not. But the thing is , money plays a large role here. I hope that he considers that when writing the script.


money is a huge factor. since sr didn't do as well as expected i'm betting the budget will be much lower for this movie. as long as they get rid of the kid, get rid of the donner approach, and make superman more than someone who lifts things really high we can get a good superman movie

[ervann]

This is from Millarworld itself. (Don't have the link now). Mark Millar's views on Supermaan and how would *FIX* him....

On his connection to Batman: "[Superman and Batman are] both orphans. They absolutely understand each other and know that there's nobody else they can count on as much as they other. PS I know Superman isn't an orphan in this dreadful period he's been under seige (from 1986 until Hitchy and I fix him again), but the true understanding of the character is, like Bambi, he loses his Mum and Dad again. All the iconic heroes do whether it's Superman, Bambi or Batman."

On why Bryan Hitch is his ideal Superman collaborator: "Hitchy's even worse than me. Although he looks much older and has trouble sleeping through the night without a piss, Hitchy is only three weeks younger than me. Thus, we grew up on the same Cary Bates Superman comics aged 6-14. Exactly the same comics. We were also 8 years old when we saw Superman and Hitch, like me, can repeat the entire movie line for line. You should hear our daily phone chats. They're a hymn to Superman. Fixing this mess has been our destiny. It'll happen. Not for a while, but it'll happen."

On Clark Kent: "Clark is a pair of glasses. Superman doesn't need glasses. He puts on the glasses for no practical reason; just to dress up and pretend to be this mid-westwern guy he's not as a means of rubbing shoulders with the people on this planet. Superman would have thought he was human until puberty. Until maybe 12. The easiest way to understand it is to think of Jesus in the temple and the moment where his mother has to tell him the truth. He always knew he was different and alone. This is when it was all explained to him. He could still love his parents, but Clark is him trying to understand what humans are all about. As Elliot Maggin puts it, Clark Kent is a living, breathing work of art."

On Lois Lane: "Superman doesn't love Lois. Clark loves Lois and Superman tries HARD to love Lois, but he can't because she's the wrong species. But he tries. Again, Maggin sums it up beautifully. It doesn't have to be complicated... Clark loves Lois, Lois loves Superman, Superman loves Clark [...] Perfect. This is also one of the reasons Superman shouldn't be married to Lois. It's just stupid. It makes no sense and destroys the whole dynamic. Superman is God, Jor-El is the Holy Spirit and Clark Kent is Jesus. The Kents are Mary and Joseph and Lois is Mary Magdelene. She's the NYC girl who's ____ed her way around the city and found nobody who measures up. She's just had it with men and is focusing on her career... then Superman shows up. This is why Margot Kidder was perfect for the role and why Lois should be played by someone around 30 even if Supes is being played by a 25 year old. You'll see what I mean when we fix it."

On the current version of the character: "[Kingdom Come] is close to perfect. Waid gets it. None of the other American writers do, though Loeb comes close. His only weakness is getting caught up in the whole farmboy thing. The farm is where he grew up and knew he was NOTHING LIKE THESE PEOPLE. He affects it for the Clark persona, but that's it. He's as Kryptonian as Jesus is divine. Did Jesus shag Mary Mag? I don't think so. Superman should never shag Lois. It's insane and what happens when artists start touching tyoewriters. Jimmy is the reader-identification figure and the comedy relief. PS I'm saving everything else for the launch. No other ideas from me here, I'm afraid, in case some ____ nicks em."

On mixing metaphors: "No brimstone for Superman. He's interesting enough without it. He sees Earth the way immigrants saw America 100 years ago. He sees a chance for hope and a new life after losing his homeland as a kid. He loves people because he recognizes their great potential and, like Krypton, he wants to encourage them towards the Utopia his father sent him from. Forget Byrne. Read the Bible."

On the previous pitch Millar had made with Grant Morrison, Mark Waid and Tom Peyer: "The pitch we did was very late 90s and all the things I WOULDN'T do if Superman was being revamped now. It was nice, but it was the whole retro 60s thing that Grant's into as opposed to what I'd want to do myself. This thing was pretty good, but would be absolutely wrong for now. It still had Superman married to Lois and all that ____. There was another draft Mark Waid added with Earth getting a mind-wipe to forget that stuff and it had some nice touches, but I'd just start from scratch."

On how close Superman is to humanity: "Humans were apes less than 50 million years ago. Kryptonians are what we'd be like in 20 billion years. I have this all worked out as part of the proposal. In the last two years, I've filled two entire ring-binders with the plan. There's some AMAZING stuff in here. Hitch has also been doing little design doodles for the last five years. It's fate that we met."


This was Millar in an interview from 2004. I found this on newsarama which was originally from MILLARWORLD. It's a wizard interview.

WB execs will so not get this, which is why I don't think MM getting the job.

[matrix_ghost]

money is a huge factor. since sr didn't do as well as expected i'm betting the budget will be much lower for this movie. as long as they get rid of the kid, get rid of the donner approach, and make superman more than someone who lifts things really high we can get a good superman movie

I dunno if a superman sequel can be made with a budget lower then 180 million. I've argued again and again that there is a big difference with movies like SR and TF in terms of action. Many people think that just because it worked with TF , it should also work with the sequel. For starters TF has sponsoring from GM , the US military worked with and Bay decided to shoot stuff in camera. Metal surfaces are also much easier to create then organic stuff. Those things meant that TF could be made for a much lower number then SR. And the sequel will not have that any of those. They'll start from scratch.

Recently Jon Favreau was interviewed and he was talking about the very same thing. AMongst other things of Iron Man , he mentioned that it was abig help that Iron Man isn't a CG human. Just metal surfaces which ultmately means they can make the movie cheaper. Organic creations such as CG humans are much much harder to pull of an you can see that in your VFX budget.

If i want to see just how much a movie will cost , i look at similar movies.In this case movies like Spiderman and POTC this both of those featured extensive use of CG human(oids ). The budgets of sequels were all above the 200 million mark with POTC 3 even hitting 300 million.
And they were shot traditionally , with real sets .

They didn't take the 300/Lucas approach where most of the shooting is done behind green screens. I think that the only way to make a superman movie for less then 200 million is if you take that method . That way a big chunk ofyour budget goes into the VFX and these days with budgets getting bigger and bigger because of the VFX , you need to find ways to control that.
The 300-shooting style is one of those methods.
Even James Cameron is doing the same thing with Avatar. And guess how big his budget is :
195 million

[sepharih]

WB execs will so not get this, which is why I don't think MM getting the job.

Yeah...I'm kind of thinking the same thing.

Side note, I'm kind of 50/50 on his ideas towards Superman being an orphan and loosing both of his parents.
On the one hand, I see where he's going with this and I see how it makes sense with the direction he has in mind. Most of the great heroes have lost someone close to them. Batman lost his parents and any number of other partners/lovers/friends. Spidey lost his uncle Ben and Gwen. Makes sense.
Now on the other hand, part of what makes Superman so unique to me is that he's one of the only heroes where death has no motivating factor. True, his origin requires genocide of a worldwide scale, but that's not why he's motivated to be Superman.
Superman didn't need a tragic death to motivate him to become Superman...he just is.

[Sub-Zero]

^^ you're right, but they've invested so much money in failed superman projects that a movie with a budget as big as sr that might tank is a big risk to take.

millar is just writing a treatment and trying to pitch his idea. everyone is talking like he'll get the job if he talks to wb. wb is pretty stupid, but they did agree to make batman begins, the best comicbook based movie. sr could have been great but they took too many liberties with the characters. a requel(not a typo) to a 25 yr old movie was just a bad idea.

[matrix_ghost]

^^ you're right, but they've invested so much money in failed superman projects that a movie with a budget as big as sr that might tank is a big risk to take.

I know. And 't's a dual thing.
Spend less = you don't really get the visuals for a true superman movie
spend alot = you don't make enough money

That's why i'm saying that the only way they can make Superman work while still maintaining a low(er) budget is by using the 300-method.
It's not something that actors and directors enjoy , but it'll have to do.

[ervann]

Yeah...I'm kind of thinking the same thing.

Side note, I'm kind of 50/50 on his ideas towards Superman being an orphan and loosing both of his parents.
On the one hand, I see where he's going with this and I see how it makes sense with the direction he has in mind. Most of the great heroes have lost someone close to them. Batman lost his parents and any number of other partners/lovers/friends. Spidey lost his uncle Ben and Gwen. Makes sense.
Now on the other hand, part of what makes Superman so unique to me is that he's one of the only heroes where death has no motivating factor. True, his origin requires genocide of a worldwide scale, but that's not why he's motivated to be Superman.
Superman didn't need a tragic death to motivate him to become Superman...he just is.

Actually if anything motivated him to be Superman, its his foster parents - in many ways his true parents - who instilled the values and moral code in him. To me that's the essence of Superman - a mid-western kid brought up damn well.

Another motivating factor is his belief in the potential of humans. A God that humbles in the wake of the achievements and compassion of mortals. That movie line from Jor-el, "They can be a great people..." sums it up.

If MM wants a shot at this he needs to distill his ideas down to the elements.

[super-t]

well seein as how most of the sets are already built the budget so drop a good chunk.

[KaptainKrypton]

Part of me thinks that Millar could do a great job with the reigns of Superman (be in in the books or on the screen), however, his views in terms of Superman and Lois needing to be separate are narrow minded and are an easy out for not wanting to deal with character issues that FORCE the character to evolve in a natural way instead of treading water like he did for decades. I'm indifferent as to whether or not the Kent's live or die anymore. Mostly because I've seen it written well either way, and I've seen it written not so well either way.

Criticizing Loeb and Morrison is a bit snobbish...but then again even in Wizard interviews, he's argued with them like a smarmy jerkoff, so go figger. Superman can be written correctly in numerous ways. It typically depends on what the writer wants to get out of the character...and also what he wants to bring out of him. Look at Geoff Johns recent work on Superman and GL/Sinestro. He does so much with so little because he doesn't have to sit around and say "I can't write stuff if these are the terms the character exists under." He just plugs away at it and makes good stories by crafting them around what he gets from the characters that made him fall in love with them in the first place. Not taking anything away from Millar, but I'd have to have a script leak to hold enough faith in a film that he is in charge of creatively. Mostly because I've read some of his books that I've enjoyed...and others that disgusted me.

Overall, his whole slant of the "retro 60's thing" is stupid. For anyone who wants proof that Silver-Age stories of Superman can be written so well that even the most snobbish comic geeks (myself included) can't deny their quality needs to sift through Alan Moore's run on Supreme. It was basically what Alan could've done to Superman if DC didn't decide to just give him two issues to play with in a throwaway continuity at the last minute before reset. Mainly because Alan thinks in frequencies that would make Millar's brain explode. Millar might turn in a good script. He may also turn in something mediocre...or something horrible. I'd have to read it first.

[Sub-Zero]

^^ it could be a complete restart and none of those sets would be used. i just don't want to see a crystaline krypton. come up with something new.

[TheComicbookKid]

I was already worried about the lawsuit affecting a Superman sequel. I just think the WB is going to take his meeting, but they'll just drag it along like they did with Joss Whedon on WW until after JL and seeing how the Incredible Hulk does at the B.O.

[NotFadeAway]

I put this in another thread....but it will get more play here!

My restart idea is a origin flick featuring Superman v. Braniac, with Lex and LexCorp operating in the background! You would have to be careful with who you cast as Lex though. He wouldn't have the biggest role in the first flick, maybe announce his candidacy for President.

My "established" Superman idea, that I had before McG, Ratner, and Singer came on board was to have our hero face off against President Lex Luthor and Metallo. I would opened the movie with Kal-El's ship coming to Earth through the stars, with Jor-El as a narrator, not just for the opening scene in space, but the movie in general, acting as sort of a guardian angel, watching over his son. The ship would have crashed by the red truck, the Kents take in Clark and wonder what will become of there son, and I would have cut to a red boot, about to save the day. Basically, President Luthor would, through an already established LexCorp and a well paid set up Morgan Edge, be funding and supplying terrorist groups to attack the United States, so Lex can in turn create his army of Metallo's to destory his enemies and strike fear in to the heart of the world, because my Lex would have been very ethno-centric and hateful of other cultures, thinking he is doing the right thing, and in the process is hurting Americans and other nations. President Luthor also would have been very outspoken about how America could not trust other nations. I had just finished reading Mein Kempf when I came up with this idea, and I drew alot of inspirations from Hitler for my Lex Luthor. I wanted to make Lex Luthor the sickest, darkest to ever grace the screen, up against the greatest hero of all time. Of course there would already be a prototype Metallo, made to wipe out Superman and anyone who might try to rat him out on his plan. I wrote a scene that pays homage to the Terminator, where Metallo destroys a group of terrorists who are on to Lex's plan. Of course, Superman, and Lois, would be the only one's who see what is happening and believe Lex is setting this all up, but after Superman cannot prove it, he retreats to the farm after learning that MARTHA KENT has been stricken with cancer, and has a short time to live. Martha has never been the Kent to die before, and I wanted to explore that. It is here I would show flashback scene's to Clark's youth, intertwined with him not only grieving for his mother, but wondering if his life's purpose was a waste, seeing that Lex was now President and brainwashing people. Clark would question himself, his faith in humanity, and try to embrace his own immortality in the face of his mothers death, realizing he will always someday be alone, which, in my story, would be what keeps him away from Lois. Kal-El would also wonder who he really is, Superman or Clark Kent, and I would turn that debate into a storyline. Of course, Superman would have an epiphany and remember that he is what stands between good and evil, that the fight will never stop and it is up to him to protect the innocent, helped by his mother's memory and the flashbacks to his childhood were he discovered who he wanted to be, and would reinforce the ideals of the character for new viewers without being an origin story. Lois, on the other hand, finds herself missing Clark Kent and knowing that she loves him more than a friend, and after being tipped of by one Lana Lang, goes to the farm for a dramatic confrontation. Followed by one of Lex's goons, Metallo attacks the Kent farm and basically destroys everything, and gets away due to Superman needing to save his dad and Lois, and this also leads to a tender moment with the three of them rebuilding the farm at the end of the film.

After talking with Dr. Hamiliton, who has worked on the Metallo project in it's infant stages and quit, Superman knows he can prove what Lex's is doing by removing a memory chip from Metallo, although he might risk killing it/him. This creates a moral dilemma, but I had Superman, after a brutal fight in downtown Metropolis, remove the chip while not "killing" Metallo, show up in Washington, D.C., to show the man Lex really is before Congress and the Vice President, who I would show to be a good, moral man who often disagree's with Lex and was only picked to be the running mate because of his popularity, and after proven to be the bastard that he is, Lex would attempt to ecscape via his henchman from LexCorp, and after Superman tried to stop him, Lex would have the Kryptonite ring, and brutally beat the wholy hell out of Superman, who is both weakened and not willing to strike a fatal blow in any way, shape, or form. Lois would save Superman, however, with a gun shot to the back of Lex Luthor, doing what Superman could not do and returning the favor of being saved so many times.

I really wanted to create a dark, mean world with Superman being the light, the silver lining of hope. Again, I wanted to create the darkest villian of all time. And I wanted to present the Man of Steel overcoming his own "human" doubts and feelings to reign supreme as the champion of all heroes. The Martha Kent angle would have represented his inability to save everyone because everyone dies, but that shouldn't stop you from making the world a better place.

I toyed with the idea of Lex discovering Supermans identity of Clark Kent, and Lex actually, via a will, giving LexCorp to Clark for the sequel, which would have been Darkseid, because if Lex failed in his plan to make the world a better place with his methods, he would know Superman was right all along. I never made a decision.

I know my idea is closer in tone with Batman Begins than Spider-Man, and some will complain that it isn't "Donner" enough, but I don't care!

I'm still working on my origin restart, like I said, it's Superman vs. Braniac with Lex operating in the background, while being a straightforward restart. I'll get back when I have more!

[matrix_ghost]

well seein as how most of the sets are already built the budget so drop a good chunk.

Not entirely true :
They used the same sets of Parker's appartement , the Bugle , Harry's mansion , aunt may's house for at least 2 movies ( and in some cases all 3 movies)
That didn't stop the budget increase
Spider-man 1 $ 139 million , Spider-man 2 $ 200 million , Spider-man 3 $ 258 million.

I'l use the Potter movies as another example. They reuse many of the same sets and locations for their movies.
Here are the budgets
Potter 1 $125 million
Potter 2 $100 million
Potter 3 $130 million
Potter 4 $150 million
Potter 5 $150 million

Despite huge advancements in CGI . more action and the reuse of sets the budget still increases . Not a huge increase but an increase nonetheless


In the case of spiderman , the increase was atributed to to large VFX slate.
Given that WB wants more action it's kinda doubtful they can make a movie for a lower cost but at the same time have more action.

[TheComicbookKid]

Honestly, that's a lot stuff going on. Lex as President was an idea I hated in the comics, but I'm not against it if it's done right.

What the heck is Lois upto outside of Clark. She's a great reporter too.

Clark getting LexCorp. That's certainly different.

[NotFadeAway]

Honestly, that's a lot stuff going on. Lex as President was an idea I hated in the comics, but I'm not against it if it's done right.

What the heck is Lois upto outside of Clark. She's a great reporter too.

Clark getting LexCorp. That's certainly different.


Reporting on President Luthor in a negative light, winning journalism awards that set her in stone as possibly th greatest journalist of all time, missing Clark, wanting to help Superman....

I loved Lex as President lol......obviously:yay:

I'm all in favor of making a long movie, it just has to have something going on, unlike Returns!

[Sub-Zero]

they should just do an origin, that incorporates the destruction of krypton, superman's first appearance in metropolis, intergang coming to power under teh power of edge who's working for ceo of lexcorp, lex luthor. intergang creates metallo who used to be a suave crook who lois helped put away. metallo goes out on his own wreaking havoc fights superman, supes is knocked out. metallo kidnaps lois to get his revenge superman saves the day with the help of a lead suit, and realizes that lex was behind the whole thing but can't prove it. and it should end like the end of superman tas(last son of krypton) and lois and clark. how luthor is seemingly untouchable even though all evidence points to him. add in some clark-lois-superman triangle and get them doing some real reporting.

[mego joe]

Not entirely true :
They used the same sets of Parker's appartement , the Bugle , Harry's mansion , aunt may's house for at least 2 movies ( and in some cases all 3 movies)
That didn't stop the budget increase
Spider-man 1 $ 139 million , Spider-man 2 $ 200 million , Spider-man 3 $ 258 million.

I'l use the Potter movies as another example. They reuse many of the same sets and locations for their movies.
Here are the budgets
Potter 1 $125 million
Potter 2 $100 million
Potter 3 $130 million
Potter 4 $150 million
Potter 5 $150 million

Despite huge advancements in CGI . more action and the reuse of sets the budget still increases . Not a huge increase but an increase nonetheless


In the case of spiderman , the increase was atributed to to large VFX slate.
Given that WB wants more action it's kinda doubtful they can make a movie for a lower cost but at the same time have more action.
Don't forget the salaries are increasing movie to movie as well.

[GNR]

Mark Millar and Mark Waid should be consultants or should write the story and then bring in a good screenwriter.

They should use the same format as they did with the Nolans and Goyer.

Weren't the two of them and Grant Morrison all for a Superman revamp in the comics some years back when Mark was still at DC?

I think I remember reading that,but DC shot them down,but some of those ideas are being used in Grant's current All Star book.

[matrix_ghost]

Don't forget the salaries are increasing movie to movie as well.

True , But that's only for the key players. There are still other factors that contribute to the increase in budgets.
Look at POTC 2 and 3. The budget sky rocketed from the first movie , despite the fact the stars did get a nice paycheck
I doubt you can go from 140 million of the first movie to 225 million for the 2nd one and 300 million for the 3rd one , just one salaries alone ;)

[Superman-Prime]

Geez!

NO REBOOT OR RESTART BULL****!

No! No!

I want Bryan to finish the story from Superman Returns about Jason and others. Especially, he can add a new supervillain (NO ZOD!).

I'm glad that Mark Millar has an offer to write a sequel. I've heard so many positive about him.

Otherwise, I'm glad Superman Man of Steel is still happening, but I won't hold my hope up. Unless if they are ready to make a sequel, I'm up for it.

[FlawlessVictory]

Reboot please. :yay:

[LostSon88]

As if this situation wasn't confusing enough.

JLA w/ unknown actor as Superman
SR w/ Brandon Routh as Superman
Smallville w/ Tom Welling as Clark Kent

And now...

Possible Mark Millar reboot w/ either an unknown or Routh as Superman

That's 4 possible live action versions of the same freakin' character at the same time!

Get it together WB!!!!

:cmad:

[dude love]

No more origins. How many f**king times to we need to see Krypton exploding, Clark's teenage years and starting his job at the Daily Planet? We've got Superman: The Movie, Smallville, Lois & Clark, the Superboy TV series... Enough is enough.

I think Millar + Singer would be an interesting combination (Empire's article on Dougherty and Harris' departure mentions Singer is still directing and they're generally on the ball BTW), Millar can use his extensive comic book knowledge to please the nerds and Singer can keep him grounded so we don't see stupidity like Pocket Universe and the like.

Millar's Superman comic experience + Singer allegorical subtlety =

http://content.ytmnd.com/content/e/8/3/e83ed6b567237621b1da69ee8aa82f51.gif

[baddog66]

YESSSS Please let this be trueeeee

[Casius--J]

I'm all for miller to write this film, I hope at least WB look at his treatment.

I like his attitude towards the project, its whats needed to pull off a really good supes movie!

[Nightwing1977]

No more origins. How many f**king times to we need to see Krypton exploding, Clark's teenage years and starting his job at the Daily Planet? We've got Superman: The Movie, Smallville, Lois & Clark, the Superboy TV series... Enough is enough.

I think Millar + Singer would be an interesting combination (Empire's article on Dougherty and Harris' departure mentions Singer is still directing and they're generally on the ball BTW), Millar can use his extensive comic book knowledge to please the nerds and Singer can keep him grounded so we don't see stupidity like Pocket Universe and the like.

Millar's Superman comic experience + Singer allegorical subtlety =

http://content.ytmnd.com/content/e/8/3/e83ed6b567237621b1da69ee8aa82f51.gif

LOL! I thought that photoshop there is kinda funny.

I do agree with you on no reboot. And we don't need another origin flick. We got that already in the first Superman film. The origin in that film was just perfect & very much like how it should've been, that we don't need a repeat. If the origin was done good for the first time, don't tell another one please. That one was fine & shouldn't be retell again. That like making another Batman film tell his origin again when we got that with Batman Begins.

[Steelsheen]

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=133795



For you non comics readers,Mark has written such books as The Ultimates 1 and 2,Wolverine,Ultimate Fantastic Four,Ultimate X-Men,The Authority and Civil War.

His Superman work includes Superman Adventures and Superman Red Son.
ohhh yeahhhh :up: i've been wishing Red Son would get made into a film one way or another, whether live action or animation.

i'm just about ready to do cartwheels with this Millar news. the only bittersweet aspect to this is that if he's pushing for a revamp, chances are Routh is out of the suit for good.

with the exception of Welling, all the other Superman rumored wannabes for The Justice League has been sub-standard at best. might as well get Routh to take over that. no use letting a good thing go to waste.

[daywalker2007]

just because dougherty and harris have gone, does not mean Singer is not going to direct.

In a way, I'm glad, hopefully somebody else can continue the superman returns story, add in proper action and let Singer direct it this time under much more supervision.

That is if WB still wants Singer to do it and Singer still wants to do it.

I don't think there is any point of a reboot now.

I would be really pissed off if they replaced Brandon Routh.

To me, Routh is superman now, no other actor in this day and age is capable of playing him.

Routh is the superman of this generation and should be allowed to do the role for however many movies or sequels there will be.

He is not even 30 yet!

Routh dammit, keep him and we are all sorted.

[UltimateJustin]

Millar isnt that good. Red Son is no KC or DKR, and niether is Ultimates 2 or really anything Millar's ever done. He's not one of the top guys in comics to me. I like that he's passionate about it and everything, but after reading that interview I'm really hoping he doesnt get this job, and not because of his ideas so much, which actually arent bad nor are they that interesting, but how he says "when I fix it" and "this is my destiny". It'd just flat out be funny to see his destiny goto some guy whose never heard of Krypton.

[MFM]

Millar's idea is kinda scary. What I really want is either John Byrne's MOS revamp or Mark Waid's BR to be adapted to the big screen.

[Naite22]

Geez!

NO REBOOT OR RESTART BULL****!

No! No!

I want Bryan to finish the story from Superman Returns about Jason and others. Especially, he can add a new supervillain (NO ZOD!).

I'm glad that Mark Millar has an offer to write a sequel. I've heard so many positive about him.

Otherwise, I'm glad Superman Man of Steel is still happening, but I won't hold my hope up. Unless if they are ready to make a sequel, I'm up for it.

I agree all the way!http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

[CGHulk]

Geez!

NO REBOOT OR RESTART BULL****!

No! No!

I want Bryan to finish the story from Superman Returns about Jason and others. Especially, he can add a new supervillain (NO ZOD!).

I'm glad that Mark Millar has an offer to write a sequel. I've heard so many positive about him.

Otherwise, I'm glad Superman Man of Steel is still happening, but I won't hold my hope up. Unless if they are ready to make a sequel, I'm up for it.
I disagree!

[DrunkSquirrel]

No to a restart. It ultimately causes more confusion than anything else. If you want to see a restart, wait for Justice League to come out. A story completely out of continuity of the Superman movie timeline.

Continue what was started in SR. It is the right thing to do. The franchise is not beyond saving. Ramp up the fun factor a bit, figure out where to go with the kid, and finish what was started.

[ultimatefan]

This is from Millarworld itself. (Don't have the link now). Mark Millar's views on Supermaan and how would *FIX* him....

On his connection to Batman: "[Superman and Batman are] both orphans. They absolutely understand each other and know that there's nobody else they can count on as much as they other. PS I know Superman isn't an orphan in this dreadful period he's been under seige (from 1986 until Hitchy and I fix him again), but the true understanding of the character is, like Bambi, he loses his Mum and Dad again. All the iconic heroes do whether it's Superman, Bambi or Batman."

On why Bryan Hitch is his ideal Superman collaborator: "Hitchy's even worse than me. Although he looks much older and has trouble sleeping through the night without a piss, Hitchy is only three weeks younger than me. Thus, we grew up on the same Cary Bates Superman comics aged 6-14. Exactly the same comics. We were also 8 years old when we saw Superman and Hitch, like me, can repeat the entire movie line for line. You should hear our daily phone chats. They're a hymn to Superman. Fixing this mess has been our destiny. It'll happen. Not for a while, but it'll happen."

On Clark Kent: "Clark is a pair of glasses. Superman doesn't need glasses. He puts on the glasses for no practical reason; just to dress up and pretend to be this mid-westwern guy he's not as a means of rubbing shoulders with the people on this planet. Superman would have thought he was human until puberty. Until maybe 12. The easiest way to understand it is to think of Jesus in the temple and the moment where his mother has to tell him the truth. He always knew he was different and alone. This is when it was all explained to him. He could still love his parents, but Clark is him trying to understand what humans are all about. As Elliot Maggin puts it, Clark Kent is a living, breathing work of art."

On Lois Lane: "Superman doesn't love Lois. Clark loves Lois and Superman tries HARD to love Lois, but he can't because she's the wrong species. But he tries. Again, Maggin sums it up beautifully. It doesn't have to be complicated... Clark loves Lois, Lois loves Superman, Superman loves Clark [...] Perfect. This is also one of the reasons Superman shouldn't be married to Lois. It's just stupid. It makes no sense and destroys the whole dynamic. Superman is God, Jor-El is the Holy Spirit and Clark Kent is Jesus. The Kents are Mary and Joseph and Lois is Mary Magdelene. She's the NYC girl who's ____ed her way around the city and found nobody who measures up. She's just had it with men and is focusing on her career... then Superman shows up. This is why Margot Kidder was perfect for the role and why Lois should be played by someone around 30 even if Supes is being played by a 25 year old. You'll see what I mean when we fix it."

On the current version of the character: "[Kingdom Come] is close to perfect. Waid gets it. None of the other American writers do, though Loeb comes close. His only weakness is getting caught up in the whole farmboy thing. The farm is where he grew up and knew he was NOTHING LIKE THESE PEOPLE. He affects it for the Clark persona, but that's it. He's as Kryptonian as Jesus is divine. Did Jesus shag Mary Mag? I don't think so. Superman should never shag Lois. It's insane and what happens when artists start touching tyoewriters. Jimmy is the reader-identification figure and the comedy relief. PS I'm saving everything else for the launch. No other ideas from me here, I'm afraid, in case some ____ nicks em."

On mixing metaphors: "No brimstone for Superman. He's interesting enough without it. He sees Earth the way immigrants saw America 100 years ago. He sees a chance for hope and a new life after losing his homeland as a kid. He loves people because he recognizes their great potential and, like Krypton, he wants to encourage them towards the Utopia his father sent him from. Forget Byrne. Read the Bible."

On the previous pitch Millar had made with Grant Morrison, Mark Waid and Tom Peyer: "The pitch we did was very late 90s and all the things I WOULDN'T do if Superman was being revamped now. It was nice, but it was the whole retro 60s thing that Grant's into as opposed to what I'd want to do myself. This thing was pretty good, but would be absolutely wrong for now. It still had Superman married to Lois and all that ____. There was another draft Mark Waid added with Earth getting a mind-wipe to forget that stuff and it had some nice touches, but I'd just start from scratch."

On how close Superman is to humanity: "Humans were apes less than 50 million years ago. Kryptonians are what we'd be like in 20 billion years. I have this all worked out as part of the proposal. In the last two years, I've filled two entire ring-binders with the plan. There's some AMAZING stuff in here. Hitch has also been doing little design doodles for the last five years. It's fate that we met."


This was Millar in an interview from 2004. I found this on newsarama which was originally from MILLARWORLD. It's a wizard interview.

He thinks Loeb is too caught up on the farm boy, i think he´s too caught up on the Jesus metaphor. Lois as Mary Magdelene is WAAAAY too much of a stretch.

[moguy]

I really enjoyed Mark Millar's Ultimates, but I'm not convinced he'd write a good screenplay.

Just look at Frank Miller for example. He's written some of the best Batman stories ever, but has anyone here read his Year One script? It was beyond horrible. The Catwoman movie was truer to character than Miller's Batman script.

[ChickenScratch]

I hate this restart, reboot crap. What's with superhero movies and showing origins, just get on with it! I hate to play the Bond card but he's my favorite fictional character so I gotta. Fleming, Markham, Gardner and Benson wrote the books, they didnt film them in order so you didnt get the origin on film till last year. So what, they got on with it, you don't have to give an origin to tell a compelling story. Besides, I prefer seeing the character's actions and learning who he is by what he does rather than what's been done to him.

Millar I think can do a Superman story that is a story we expect of Superman that doesn't have to be a reboot or anything, just a story. Superman's saved the world a million times, fought off countless villains and came out unscathed. Why does every movie need to move the character forward and have him go thru personal drama.

Think STAS. Just tell a story that shows Superman being Super, movie ends and he's still the great guy from the start.

[Juice2020]

Not entirely true :
They used the same sets of Parker's appartement , the Bugle , Harry's mansion , aunt may's house for at least 2 movies ( and in some cases all 3 movies)
That didn't stop the budget increase
Spider-man 1 $ 139 million , Spider-man 2 $ 200 million , Spider-man 3 $ 258 million.

I'l use the Potter movies as another example. They reuse many of the same sets and locations for their movies.
Here are the budgets
Potter 1 $125 million
Potter 2 $100 million
Potter 3 $130 million
Potter 4 $150 million
Potter 5 $150 million

Despite huge advancements in CGI . more action and the reuse of sets the budget still increases . Not a huge increase but an increase nonetheless


In the case of spiderman , the increase was atributed to to large VFX slate.
Given that WB wants more action it's kinda doubtful they can make a movie for a lower cost but at the same time have more action.


For some reason, these movie studios think that if we SPEND MORE money the movie will be better...think Charlies Angel 2.

[Juice2020]

I hate this restart, reboot crap. What's with superhero movies and showing origins, just get on with it! I hate to play the Bond card but he's my favorite fictional character so I gotta. Fleming, Markham, Gardner and Benson wrote the books, they didnt film them in order so you didnt get the origin on film till last year. So what, they got on with it, you don't have to give an origin to tell a compelling story. Besides, I prefer seeing the character's actions and learning who he is by what he does rather than what's been done to him.

Millar I think can do a Superman story that is a story we expect of Superman that doesn't have to be a reboot or anything, just a story. Superman's saved the world a million times, fought off countless villains and came out unscathed. Why does every movie need to move the character forward and have him go thru personal drama.


Think STAS. Just tell a story that shows Superman being Super, movie ends and he's still the great guy from the start.



And how come everytime theres a Superman movie there like Kryptonite every where. I mean come on, theres more Kryptonite on earth than air in these Supes movies.

[Bad Superman]

And he’s already started the ball rolling, according to a post by the creator on his website:

It's 8.58am right now, my guys at CAA get into the office in about seven hours and my call will be waiting for them to talk about this. I want to revamp Superman like Hillary wants thin ankles. Revamping this franchise is what I as given fingers for and so, invited or not, I'm putting my plan together now. I've been asked to work on half a dozen screenplays lately, but this is the only one I have ever truly wanted.

As most here know, I have literally hundreds of pages of notes and sketches just waiting for this opportunity. This would be my dream gig and, as a fan, I know exactly what this project needs to work. This has to be Superman for the 21st Century, keeping everything we adore, but starting from scratch and making the kids love it as much as the 30-somethings. I would honestly write this thing for free.

Anyway, my treatment is being polished as we type. Wish me luck. I want to do that Superman movie we all want to see.

:cmad: :up: :up: Re-start dammit!!!

[Porygon]

It doesn't really matter, Millar is going to represent Superman in a way some fans will disagree with and there will be conflict amongst the fanbase. There will never be a time when everyone is happy.

[The Empire Ape]

DO it, Millar!

Give us a hero! Not this dumbass superman we had to endure since Byrne's loser-man took over.

You'll believe a man can fly again!

[The Batman]

This is from Millarworld itself. (Don't have the link now). Mark Millar's views on Supermaan and how would *FIX* him....

On his connection to Batman: "[Superman and Batman are] both orphans. They absolutely understand each other and know that there's nobody else they can count on as much as they other. PS I know Superman isn't an orphan in this dreadful period he's been under seige (from 1986 until Hitchy and I fix him again), but the true understanding of the character is, like Bambi, he loses his Mum and Dad again. All the iconic heroes do whether it's Superman, Bambi or Batman."

On why Bryan Hitch is his ideal Superman collaborator: "Hitchy's even worse than me. Although he looks much older and has trouble sleeping through the night without a piss, Hitchy is only three weeks younger than me. Thus, we grew up on the same Cary Bates Superman comics aged 6-14. Exactly the same comics. We were also 8 years old when we saw Superman and Hitch, like me, can repeat the entire movie line for line. You should hear our daily phone chats. They're a hymn to Superman. Fixing this mess has been our destiny. It'll happen. Not for a while, but it'll happen."

On Clark Kent: "Clark is a pair of glasses. Superman doesn't need glasses. He puts on the glasses for no practical reason; just to dress up and pretend to be this mid-westwern guy he's not as a means of rubbing shoulders with the people on this planet. Superman would have thought he was human until puberty. Until maybe 12. The easiest way to understand it is to think of Jesus in the temple and the moment where his mother has to tell him the truth. He always knew he was different and alone. This is when it was all explained to him. He could still love his parents, but Clark is him trying to understand what humans are all about. As Elliot Maggin puts it, Clark Kent is a living, breathing work of art."

On Lois Lane: "Superman doesn't love Lois. Clark loves Lois and Superman tries HARD to love Lois, but he can't because she's the wrong species. But he tries. Again, Maggin sums it up beautifully. It doesn't have to be complicated... Clark loves Lois, Lois loves Superman, Superman loves Clark [...] Perfect. This is also one of the reasons Superman shouldn't be married to Lois. It's just stupid. It makes no sense and destroys the whole dynamic. Superman is God, Jor-El is the Holy Spirit and Clark Kent is Jesus. The Kents are Mary and Joseph and Lois is Mary Magdelene. She's the NYC girl who's ____ed her way around the city and found nobody who measures up. She's just had it with men and is focusing on her career... then Superman shows up. This is why Margot Kidder was perfect for the role and why Lois should be played by someone around 30 even if Supes is being played by a 25 year old. You'll see what I mean when we fix it."

On the current version of the character: "[Kingdom Come] is close to perfect. Waid gets it. None of the other American writers do, though Loeb comes close. His only weakness is getting caught up in the whole farmboy thing. The farm is where he grew up and knew he was NOTHING LIKE THESE PEOPLE. He affects it for the Clark persona, but that's it. He's as Kryptonian as Jesus is divine. Did Jesus shag Mary Mag? I don't think so. Superman should never shag Lois. It's insane and what happens when artists start touching tyoewriters. Jimmy is the reader-identification figure and the comedy relief. PS I'm saving everything else for the launch. No other ideas from me here, I'm afraid, in case some ____ nicks em."

On mixing metaphors: "No brimstone for Superman. He's interesting enough without it. He sees Earth the way immigrants saw America 100 years ago. He sees a chance for hope and a new life after losing his homeland as a kid. He loves people because he recognizes their great potential and, like Krypton, he wants to encourage them towards the Utopia his father sent him from. Forget Byrne. Read the Bible."

On the previous pitch Millar had made with Grant Morrison, Mark Waid and Tom Peyer: "The pitch we did was very late 90s and all the things I WOULDN'T do if Superman was being revamped now. It was nice, but it was the whole retro 60s thing that Grant's into as opposed to what I'd want to do myself. This thing was pretty good, but would be absolutely wrong for now. It still had Superman married to Lois and all that ____. There was another draft Mark Waid added with Earth getting a mind-wipe to forget that stuff and it had some nice touches, but I'd just start from scratch."

On how close Superman is to humanity: "Humans were apes less than 50 million years ago. Kryptonians are what we'd be like in 20 billion years. I have this all worked out as part of the proposal. In the last two years, I've filled two entire ring-binders with the plan. There's some AMAZING stuff in here. Hitch has also been doing little design doodles for the last five years. It's fate that we met."


This was Millar in an interview from 2004. I found this on newsarama which was originally from MILLARWORLD. It's a wizard interview.


You'd only hate his idea of you're hung up on the overrated post crisis. its obvious his ideas are rooted in the bronze age era superman, which is great. His view on the superman dynamics are much better than the stuff weve gotten for the past twenty years.

[The Empire Ape]

You'd only hate his idea of you're hung up on the overrated post crisis. its obvious his ideas are rooted in the bronze age era superman, which is great. His view on the superman dynamics are much better than the stuff weve gotten for the past twenty years.


quoted for absolute truth.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I very much disliked his Ultimate X-Men but who knows, if he brings a good screenplay to the table why not give him a chance?

[Comicfan]

Geez!

NO REBOOT OR RESTART BULL****!

No! No!

I want Bryan to finish the story from Superman Returns about Jason and others. Especially, he can add a new supervillain (NO ZOD!).

I'm glad that Mark Millar has an offer to write a sequel. I've heard so many positive about him.

Otherwise, I'm glad Superman Man of Steel is still happening, but I won't hold my hope up. Unless if they are ready to make a sequel, I'm up for it.

NO REBOOT OR RESTART BULL****!

[Porygon]

I very much disliked his Ultimate X-Men but who knows, if he brings a good screenplay to the table why not give him a chance?
Ultimate X-Men is among the worst of his work, Superman: Red Son alone shows he is more than capable of delivering a good Superman movie.

However, he is very much against the post-crisis depiction of Superman. So if his script is turned into a film we'll most likely get another good Superman film hated by a large portion of the fans.

[The Guard]

And if he turns in a Pre-Crisis film, it would be hated for good reason: It'd be less interesting than it could be. Millar seems to think you have to choose one or the other, and that's just not the case. Both elements of Pre-Crisis and Post-Crisis can work together in a film. There were some fantastic elements to JJ Abrams SUPERMAN script that did just that, combined Pre and Post-Crisis elements.

Superman did not come to Earth as an adult a la J'onn J'onnz. Rather, he was born here and discovered he happened to be from another planet later on. Even in his earliest origins, this was the case. The kindly couple who raised him has always been an important part of his mythology.

Millar seems to have the two confused. Now, Millar clearly grew up with Pre-Crisis Superman, and seems not to have gotten over the inclusion of the best elements of the reimagination of the character since. That, to me displays a lack of imagination in certain areas.

Millar gets Superman to a point, but not as well as he could. He is for disposing of beloved mythology elements just because that's not the Superman he grew up with, and I think that's an enormous mistake, because there's no reason Pre and Post-Crisis ideas cannot coexist and create fantastic conflict.

You cannot remove "Clark" from "Superman" just because you think it's a good idea. Psychologically, it makes no sense. Regardless of what species he is (which is missing the point of Superman to begin with), the man was raised as Clark Kent since about 1950 or so, and he learned what he could do later on in life. This is a man who was raised and taught by human parents, and used that, which is who he WAS, to inform what he could DO once he grew up. Unless you want the Kents to have NO bearing on who Superman is, this "Clark as the mask" stuff is nonsense. It's also shallow, and relatively boring, with nothing but a repeat of this "I am an alien, I do not belong" stuff, when far more interesting is "I am a man, but because of what I can do because of my alien heritage, I cannot hope to have a normal life". And this "Superman" doesn't love Lois stuff, as if you can seperate the two's emotional situation like that? Please. One's species does not dictate one's emotional interplay. Even in KINGDOM COME this was not the case. Superman did not act the way he did in KINGDOM COME because he was an alien, but because he had an all-too-human reaction to Earth's attitude toward him, and the events that were transpiring.

If Clark loves Lois, it is because he is attracted to and values her, and that won't disappear simply because he's Superman.

Millar seems to want to go back to the time when Clark was nothing more than a shallow disguise and Superman had very little humanity, which is basically just pushing this even further in that direction than Singer took it with SUPERMAN RETURNS's Clark. Bad idea. He's also relying far too much on Biblical significance, but not in the right realm. Superman can be played as a Christ figure, but he's not "Jesus", he's "Moses". And Millar seems to be yet another writer who does not get that Jimmy Olsen should not be comic relief and a reader identification character. He should be Superman's pal, a quasi-mentor, and a source of advice and hope. A true friend when such are hard to come by.

I'm sure his Superman would be interesting, but I don't think he quite gets where Superman's best elements come from. Seems to me he is all about limiting the character, which is a mistake when adapting this mythology. It's all well and good if Superman does not end up married to Lois, but that needs to be where things are heading. Where their desires lie.

[matrix_ghost]

For some reason, these movie studios think that if we SPEND MORE money the movie will be better...think Charlies Angel 2.

You'd be surprised just how difficult they can be with budgets.
They generally will constantly evaluate hings again and again until it's finally green lit. Especially with directors who don't have much power. All that changes once the studio gives a director carte blanche. I honestly believe that WB gave Singer carte blanche when making superman returns. He came off two succesful comic book movies and many ( except me) consider X2 in the top 5 best CB movies. They saw the guy wanted the job and they gave it to him.

But going back to the budget issue. To create a truly epic superman movie , you need to cough up the cash. Technology had made huge advancements lately but that doesn't mean that it is any less expensive. I'll say it again and again. Unless they come up with a whole new technology to create realistic CG humans for a "low price" i just can't see a proper superman movie happening with a budget less then 190 million if it's shot the traditional way

[The Sage]

I'd love to see Millar's version on the screen.

You'd only hate his idea of you're hung up on the overrated post crisis. its obvious his ideas are rooted in the bronze age era superman, which is great. His view on the superman dynamics are much better than the stuff weve gotten for the past twenty years.

Well, minus Lex Luthor's characterization (though even that is rooted from Elliott Maggin's ideas), I agree.

quoted for absolute truth.

Yep.

[GhostPoet]

Reboot! Reboot!

[The Guard]

I'd love to see Millar's version on the screen.

I think I know you well enough to know why...but why?

[Visceral]

i'd love to see millars version period even if it doesnt get to the big sceen, i just hope its not a reboot, its not good competing with stm

[fabman]

Reboot - Restart - Revamp!!!

[The Sage]

I think I know you well enough to know why...but why?

If you know me well enough to know why...then you know why. :cwink:

[SuperDaniel]

They should base a restart on Superman for all seasons, tornado and all.

[The Guard]

If you know me well enough to know why...then you know why.

You and your "angst". :)

[Porygon]

They should base a restart on Superman for all seasons, tornado and all.So to rectify SR, a film with Luthor as a villain, no super-fights and Superman stopping natural disasters, they make a film with Luthor as a villain, no super-fights and Superman stopping natural disasters?

[The Sage]

You and your "angst". :)

Heh, guess you don't know why after all. :yay:

[daywalker2007]

all of those clammering for a reboot, how would you feel if John Williams main theme is not used?

would you lot be happy at tossing away the most famous superhero theme that has ever been?

I don't know about you lot, but i wouldn't be happy, unless Vangelis came on board to create a new theme.

[SuperDaniel]

So to rectify SR, a film with Luthor as a villain, no super-fights and Superman stopping natural disasters, they make a film with Luthor as a villain, no super-fights and Superman stopping natural disasters?

And put Brainiac on it too..Make a mix of Superman for all seasons, Man of Steel, Birthright and the Stolen Memories episode of TAS...Make the villain be the Eradicator/Brainiac and Luthor.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

I've saved my comments on this thread but will say one thing... I find it refreshing that there is a professional writer who loves the character of Superman so much that he would even offer to write it for free. It actually gives a genuine vibe to me as well. :up:

[SuperDaniel]

^Exactely.

[The Squirrel]

So to rectify SR, a film with Luthor as a villain, no super-fights and Superman stopping natural disasters, they make a film with Luthor as a villain, no super-fights and Superman stopping natural disasters?


I'm sure it made sense in his head.

Anyway, I would love to see what Millar would do with the franchise.

[The Batman]

I'd love to see Millar's version on the screen.



Well, minus Lex Luthor's characterization (though even that is rooted from Elliott Maggin's ideas), I agree.



Yep.

What i meant by superman dynamics was the whole "Clark Kent", "Lois romance", "parents," and stuff like that. I dont mind the complexity post crisis brought and the sense of danger, and even though he was a kingpin ripoff at first, businessman lex luthor is a good character...but still, I would welcome millars ideas if it were on screen.

[Yellow Cyclone]

I read what he said and i loved it. Especially this:

"No brimstone for Superman. He's interesting enough without it. He sees Earth the way immigrants saw America 100 years ago. He sees a chance for hope and a new life after losing his homeland as a kid. He loves people because he recognizes their great potential and, like Krypton, he wants to encourage them towards the Utopia his father sent him from. Forget Byrne. Read the Bible."

This is Superman to me.

ennis is that you? :cwink:

[BooJay]

When I first saw the name Millar, I thought it was the same Millar associated with Crapville. I'm very relieved to see that he's not. I wonder if anyone else had the same reaction as I.

[Ultraman Nexus]

I've already seen this jackass turn Captain America into a cheap parody of a Republican and his cynical approach to superheroes. I don't want him anywhere near Superman.

[Spider-Bat]

I hope this will work out, WB needs to revamp Superman. Of course this is what they should've done instead of letting Singer screw it up.

[Retroman]

Alex Ross also seems very interested in being involved in a Superman movie too.I'd love it if they could get him on board for the Justice League movie as well in some capacity.:up:

UGO: I was lucky enough to go to the set of Superman in Australia. They had artwork everywhere in the offices that looked enough like your artwork that the other journalists were like, "Is Alex Ross doing this?" But obviously you're not.

ALEX: They did take images from some of my books and rework them into different compositions. The designer of the movie told me that they're going to show some of how they did that in one of the art books next year. I've been quoted as being inspiration for the film, but I was never invited to be part of the project. I have had absolutely no hand in what they are doing. So for me, I didn't understand what they meant by it, but I guess I influenced some of the compositions, some of the grandiosity of how Superman is viewed, but I'm much more of a nuts and bolts guy who says, "Where's the guy with the big body?"

UGO: Would you have been interested in doing something with it?

ALEX: Oh absolutely. I desperately wanted to get a hold of Bryan Singer when I heard he was given the job, but I didn't get contacted by anyone until they were already well underway.
Source: http://www.ugo.com/channels/comics/features/alexross/default_5.asp
I`d sday Mark Millar, Mark Waid, Jeph Loeb, Paul Dini/Bruce Timm should be on the list of guys to write this movie...
Dini has a blog maybe someone can ask him if he's interested?

http://kingofbreakfast.livejournal.com

[Crazymaverick]

Millar's out.

Just FYI.

[Bad Superman]

all of those clammering for a reboot, how would you feel if John Williams main theme is not used?

would you lot be happy at tossing away the most famous superhero theme that has ever been?

I don't know about you lot, but i wouldn't be happy, unless Vangelis came on board to create a new theme.

Two words: Casino Royale

It's a reboot of the Bond franchise but they've kept the Bond Theme.

[Retroman]

Millar's out.

Just FYI.
Really? Why? Got a link?:huh:

[Superman_]

Because he works for Marvel.

[Retroman]

Because he works for Marvel.

What an odd reason.:confused: Oh well....

Crazymaverick was right Millar is indeed out.

Millar's Superman movie adventure, An update!!

Today, 08:29 AM

Okay, as you know I was very excited about the opportunity that WB were looking for a new writer on this project. Superman is the be all and end all for me (he's why I started reading and why I started typing). It's funny how quickly news spread because one little post on my message board here ended up literally all over the comic book and movie sites inside about twelve hours and the response from fellow Superman fans was incredibly positive. Thanks again for that.

Anyway, my agent is a big beast at CAA and can set up meetings with anyone. I'm always amazed by this because, like all comic guys, I do this job in a converted attic at home on a rainy rock some miles from mainland Europe and about as far from Hollywood as you can get. But my agent got my call around 4pm my time on Tuesday and within hours we were talking on the phone to some very nice exec at Warner Bros who said that several producers and director friends had already been in touch to push me for the gig because they knew how passionate I was about this project. And for about fifteen minutes things were looking very sweet. I had a massive three-picture epic in mind, cribbed from notes I've been putting together for the last five years for a Superman comic-book revamp and the people I spoke to absolutely loved it. Everyone said this was very, very exciting, but...

Well, sadly, I'm a Marvel guy and we were surprised to find out that WB couldn't hire me for a DC property. They were incredibly nice and superbly apologetic about it, but when they discussed the matter seriously DC explained just how associated I am with Marvel Comics at the moment and it's against company policy to hire the competition. It's absolutely nothing personal. I spoke to some friends at DC and they explained this has happened with a couple of big Marvel writers in the last couple of years and I absolutely respect that. It's a business after all and to have a guy writing Fantastic Four, 1985, Kick-Ass and another super-big project for Steve McNiven this year which would be mentioned in every article about a Superman movie is not only an insult to their own writers, but makes bad business sense. I have nothing but respect for the DC high-ups and, though obviously disappointed, can absolutely appreciate their position. They're the custodians of these properties and they obviously know what they're doing.

So no Millar-penned Superman movie at this stage, I'm afraid. That situation may change, of course. As a Warner chum said to me last night, the last Superman movie had a number of starts and stops and who knows what will happen over the next couple of years, especially after my Marvel contract expires. In the meantime, I'm keeping my 200 pages of notes and sketches on a slow boil, just in case. As for the next movie, I wish whoever does land this gig nothing but the best of luck. I wanted to bring my vision to the screen out of nothing but pure love and hope to be as thrilled as everyone else. They're talking to a couple of guys with a better screen-writing track record and, like the rest of you, I'll keep my fingers crossed that this sequel to Bryan's first picture all works out great.

Thanks again for all the support and backing for my involvement in this project. It stunned me that the WB people had seen this and it absolutely factored in how quickly all those doors opened for me.

Cheers!

MMSource:http://forums.millarworld.tv/index.php?showtopic=74359

It looks like Singer still may be on board at the moment.....

[MFM]

Geez!

NO REBOOT OR RESTART BULL****!

No! No!

I want Bryan to finish the story from Superman Returns about Jason and others. Especially, he can add a new supervillain (NO ZOD!).

I'm glad that Mark Millar has an offer to write a sequel. I've heard so many positive about him.

Otherwise, I'm glad Superman Man of Steel is still happening, but I won't hold my hope up. Unless if they are ready to make a sequel, I'm up for it.No to "Jason" and "the others". :down

[Superman_]

And from reading what Millar had to say it seems they still plain to go off of Singers movie.

[Crazymaverick]

The fact that "They're talking to a couple of guys with a better screen-writing track record" gives me hope.

[matrix_ghost]

What an odd reason.:confused: Oh well....

Crazymaverick was right Millar is indeed out.

Source:http://forums.millarworld.tv/index.php?showtopic=74359

It looks like Singer still may be on board at the moment.....

Oh well. It was fun while it lasted. I can understand WB's decision however it would've been nice if some DC members actually had this kind of attitude towards the sequel

[OobeDoobBenubi]

What an odd reason

The reasoning makes sense to me because who would in their right mind hire the competition :huh: & most fan boys seem to hate his take on Superman

[The Empire Ape]

I cannot understand why they used Donner's version as the base for Superman Returns. The first two superman movies are very good, but Superman offers much more than this more or less "grounded" version. Fairy tale, fantasy, science fiction - there is so much to use. And they just remade the old stuff :|

[MFM]

Because he works for Marvel.Well, after reading his "scary" take on Superman, I'm just glad he's out.

[Hypestyle]

the politics that blocked him out are dumb.. I don't care what the reason was.. but I guess that's showbiz..

[Superman_]

Not me personally I think Millar and Hitch would be the perfect choice IMO for All-Star Superman after Grant Morrison is done. I mean I loved Superman: Red Sun and I also loved Superman Adventures (monthly comic based off of S:TAS). So I believe they would be the perfect choice for All-Star Superman. IMO it would be the closest thing we get to Ultimate Superman and I am sure they would do a great job.

[Superman_]

The one thing that sticks out though is the he sort of confirms that the movie is still suppose to be a sequel to Singers Superman. Which I am okay with.

[The Guard]

The fact that "They're talking to a couple of guys with a better screen-writing track record" gives me hope.

They're talking to Ted Elliot and Terry Rossio of PIRATES fame. You heard it here first.

[RedIsNotBlue]

Wow that is a shame. The seemed to be so passionate about doing Superman justice. I wish WB would have at least sat down with him and given him a chance instead of "dismissing him for being a Marvel guy". God how dumb.

[The Sage]

What an odd reason.:confused: Oh well....

Crazymaverick was right Millar is indeed out.

Source:http://forums.millarworld.tv/index.php?showtopic=74359

It looks like Singer still may be on board at the moment.....

Dammit!!!

[Showtime]

They're talking to Ted Elliot and Terry Rossio of PIRATES fame. You heard it here first.

I wonder if that will go along with my thoughts on Gore Verbinski doing Superman. Supposedly he was asked during the last year. :ninja:

[Showtime]

It seems like Millar might be insinuating that Singer is no longer in but they are still thinking sequel, one of his quotes could be speculated on as such...

They're talking to a couple of guys with a better screen-writing track record and, like the rest of you, I'll keep my fingers crossed that this sequel to Bryan's first picture all works out great.

[Superman_]

What I take it as that Singer is still aboard but they are just now looking for a writing team to help him out. With him either doing a sequel or a semi revamp.

[Dark_Lord]

Singer isnt a bad director...the story of SR wasnt very good. Now he'll only be directing with someone else wiriting the script. Plus...hasnt he already signed to direct the sequel? Why would they pay him and then fire him?

[JamalYIgle]

sorry i didn't ralize this had been covered already

[FlawlessVictory]

Cr@p! :csad:

It seems like Millar might be insinuating that Singer is no longer in but they are still thinking sequel, one of his quotes could be speculated on as such...

Yea, I really get the feeling that Singer is not involved anymore, especially if they are talking to the Pirates writers.

[FlawlessVictory]

Singer isnt a bad director...the story of SR wasnt very good. Now he'll only be directing with someone else wiriting the script. Plus...hasnt he already signed to direct the sequel? Why would they pay him and then fire him?

Who knows how his contract is structured? He could get some upfront money for spending time trying to create ideas for the sequel but the real meat of the contract could only kick in if his ideas are greenlit.

[Superman_]

I think Singer is still the director but just doesn't have as much power.

[FlawlessVictory]

I think Singer is still the director but just doesn't have as much power.

Why would Singer want to work under those restrictions though? He is a pretty big time director. I would imagine he would not want his vision compromised. He started the story and his ideas on how he wants it to play out, why let someone else dictate the changes?

[ChickenScratch]

This sucks that Millar's off the project. I had high hopes for this. I was actually excited about this whole project for like 2 days.

[Superman_]

Why would Singer want to work under those restrictions though? He is a pretty big time director. I would imagine he would not want his vision compromised. He started the story and his ideas on how he wants it to play out, why let someone else dictate the changes?Who says they are look at what Millar said he wishes people the best on the sequel to Bryan's movie. For all we know Bryan is working with the WB to find a team.

[Super Kal]

Why would Singer want to work under those restrictions though? He is a pretty big time director. I would imagine he would not want his vision compromised. He started the story and his ideas on how he wants it to play out, why let someone else dictate the changes?
hopefully, he'll just say, "screw it" and walk off the project

that would be a dream come true :D

[FlawlessVictory]

Who says they are look at what Millar said he wishes people the best on the sequel to Bryan's movie. For all we know Bryan is working with the WB to find a team.

That's possible.

hopefully, he'll just say, "screw it" and walk off the project

that would be a dream come true :D

Agreed.

[scifiwolf]

This sucks that Millar's off the project. I had high hopes for this. I was actually excited about this whole project for like 2 days.Technically, he was never on the project. :p

[Tomar-Re]

Singer isnt a bad director...the story of SR wasnt very good. Now he'll only be directing with someone else wiriting the script. Plus...hasnt he already signed to direct the sequel? Why would they pay him and then fire him?

I agree. I think Singer is a great director, the story was just garbage.

[GreenKToo]

They're talking to Ted Elliot and Terry Rossio of PIRATES fame. You heard it here first.
Fo' real??

[Chucktallica101]

I think Singer is still the director but just doesn't have as much power.

For good reason too.

[GreenKToo]

If Singer does the sequel, I seriously doubt he'll have as much control as he enjoyed on S.R.

[sevinw0rds]

I may be in the unpopular crowd here, but they should let Bryan finish his story. Different screen-writers? Fine. It's probably been said to death, but he is responsible for one of the most praised and successful comic book film sequels of all time, and I know he has it in him to do it again. SR had tons and tons of heart and very little action, which not everyone cared for and I understand that. Would Millar have worked? Maybe, but his writing style has never screamed "This guy HAS to do Superman" in my eyes. I remain ever hopeful that the franchise will continue only to see where these characters are all headed.

[Nightwing1977]

They're talking to Ted Elliot and Terry Rossio of PIRATES fame. You heard it here first.

Are you serious? If's that true, that would be pretty funny. Seeing as the 2nd Pirates film was SR's competition. :D :D

[FlawlessVictory]

Are you serious? If's that true, that would be pretty funny. Seeing as the 2nd Pirates film was SR's competition. :D :D

If you can't beat them, make sure they join you. :woot:

[Nokio]

I like Miller's work. i wouldn't mind him taking on Suprman. Supes is still a character that's stuck in a time warp. Superman is still prettty much the same Superman that was created decades ago. He does need an update. I think Miller will irk half of the fans but I think he could pull off exactly what he said can do with Superman.

[Mandrill]

Bearing in mind SR was Singer's vision of Superman I can't see him working with a writer or writers and having his creative input be restricted.

As for continuing his story ..I don't think he has a story I can't think of anything the happened in SR I would like to see continued.

[Showtime]

Bearing in mind SR was Singer's vision of Superman I can't see him working with a writer or writers and having his creative input be restricted.

That is why I think he is out if there is a sequel. He likes to have a team in place, a team of his people. This is usually how he works.

As for continuing his story ..I don't think he has a story I can't think of anything the happened in SR I would like to see continued.

There are plent of storylines to continue, whether you want to see them or not, that is a different story. Singer has already pitched his sequel ideas at least 3 times, once during his original pitch for Returns, and twice in the past several months. Sure he has a story, but WB didn't seem to think it was a good one.

[teseract]

... The only problem the film had was that fans, myself included were expecting a modern age Superman, not a silver age Superman.

-R
Sorry but that's stupid, Singer's Superman was absolutely NOT Silver Age.

Depressed, doubtful, whiney Weenerman is as "modern" as Superman could get. In that regard Singer hit the ball home. His Superman was Post-Crisis through and through.

[teseract]

^^ it could be a complete restart and none of those sets would be used. i just don't want to see a crystaline krypton. come up with something new.
Jepp, cool, lets make Krypton look like "generic sci-fi city No 189" instead of something unique to the Superman myth, namely the crystal tech. Lets take the one thing away that separates Krypton from any other generic sci-fi fare out there since the last 20 years. Lets take away the thing that gave it character, sounds like a great plan to me. :whatever:

[Mandrill]

That is why I think he is out if there is a sequel. He likes to have a team in place, a team of his people. This is usually how he works.



There are plent of storylines to continue, whether you want to see them or not, that is a different story. Singer has already pitched his sequel ideas at least 3 times, once during his original pitch for Returns, and twice in the past several months. Sure he has a story, but WB didn't seem to think it was a good one.


You know I really liked the ''up up and away '' story if they had gone with Luthor being the business man (I think Superman returning to find Lex gone from criminal to respected Business would have been a great angle in SR) then they could have had Supes lose his powers from over exposure to Kryptonite rather than a red Sun.

You could then have Clark try and take down Lex as a journalist in the sequal whilst slowly regaining his powers.Clark and Lois could get closer as he is not burdened with being Superman.
The twist would be that Lex's rise to power came from outside help Braniac because really you are going to need some kind of Supervillian.

The obvious problem is you technically wouldn't have Superman for most of the movie.Of course that would help with the title
Superman Returns :Again !

Plus people would think Superman with no powers is copying Spider-man 2

Just for kicks I would like to know what idea's Singer has

[Dark Knight]

They're talking to Ted Elliot and Terry Rossio of PIRATES fame. You heard it here first.



Get outta hear.....are you serious?

Guard,

If they are talking to those two....then in your opinion will Singer stick around or walk?

[Dark Knight]

Millar's out.

Just FYI.



That might be a good thing actually.....

[shinlyle]

So, they're not hiring Millar? Looks like more "Super-Stalker" on the way. Good call WB...I guess we'll see Superman fighting more rocks and airplanes in the sequel...:whatever:

[terry78]

And more tossed pianos by the fruit of his loins.


You make me so mad, I could throw a piano at you!

[nintendo nerd]

So, they're not hiring Millar? Looks like more "Super-Stalker" on the way. Good call WB...I guess we'll see Superman fighting more rocks and airplanes in the sequel...:whatever:

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/images/news/superman-the-man-of-steel/Superman%20Man%20of%20Steel%20-%20Brandon%20Routh.jpg

Singer's superman: "I'm always around".

[El Payaso]

So, they're not hiring Millar? Looks like more "Super-Stalker" on the way.

More? When did we have some?

Good call WB...I guess we'll see Superman fighting more rocks and airplanes in the sequel...:whatever:

I don't know, Singer followed Donner movies but Superman weren't chasing rockets as his biggest deed.

And more tossed pianos by the fruit of his loins.


You make me so mad, I could throw a piano at you!

Writers now aren't as they used to be. Superman should have been kissing everyone so they forget what happened. End of the problem. :)

[DarkSuperman]

The WB Almost had a talented dude behind this movie who was passionate about Superman and what do they say?

"Sorry we can't use you. You're a marvel guy?"

Are you freaking kidding me? That's like turning down Sofia Vergara and saying "Sorry, we can't bang out. You're a latin chick."

http://static.zooomr.com/images/785015_152eabf59f_o.jpg (Sofia BTW)

Utterly Moronic. Talent is Talent.

[Ultraman Nexus]

I'm glad as hell. This guy has already taken a whiz on Captain America. I don't want him anywhere near Superman.

[Dark Knight]

The WB Almost had a talented dude behind this movie who was passionate about Superman and what do they say?

"Sorry we can't use you. You're a marvel guy?"

Are you freaking kidding me? That's like turning down Sofia Vergara and saying "Sorry, we can't bang out. You're a latin chick."

http://static.zooomr.com/images/785015_152eabf59f_o.jpg (Sofia BTW)

Utterly Moronic. Talent is Talent.




WOW! So hot.....where did you get that pic of her at?

[Apollo]

Its all a F***ing holy war with Marvel and DC... :o

[Casius--J]

I should've known millar was just a fanboys dream come true, why did i ever think it could happen.

[Dexamalion]

This whole "we can't hire you because you're Marvel" line is a little rich for me. The WB crowd was stoked to have Singer and his writing team (fresh off 2 blockbuster Marvel movies) come and do Superman Returns. Millar has done work for DC in the past, what's the big deal hiring him?

[terry78]

I think because Singer was just picked to work on a movie, whereas Millar is like a Marvel writer and has been for years. And the two camps are sometimes at odds for reasons.

[TheBat812]

They're talking to Ted Elliot and Terry Rossio of PIRATES fame. You heard it here first.
I hope to god not. The second and third movies were terribly written. They'll probably go back to the ridiculous stories of Superman moving universes and ****.

[LostSon88]

I think because Singer was just picked to work on a movie, whereas Millar is like a Marvel writer and has been for years. And the two camps are sometimes at odds for reasons.

Of course they are, they're each others competition.

[The Chibi Kiriyama]

After thinking it over, I'm sort of happy we never got Millar's Superman. When I think about what he did with the Ultimate version of the Avengers, I picture his Superman and see this Red Son variant that would be tugged down by all of the political commentary that Millar puts in his works. While I feel that Singer went too Silver Age with his Superman, I'm not certain Millar is the right person for this either.

Honestly, the best case scenario for me would be someone deciding to do the Golden Age version- superhuman but vulnerable, played by someone who can pull off Superman without having to be a dead ringer for Reeve. It's never going to happen, but it would be nice to someday see.

[Michael Corleone]

They're talking to Ted Elliot and Terry Rossio of PIRATES fame. You heard it here first.

That doesn't give me hope. Pirates, while a huge film and success, wasn't exactly that great. Eye candy at best. The reason those films made any money at all was because of Depp's character which was of his own design and the massive effects. The actual story was weak and not very exciting at all.

[The Chibi Kiriyama]

The first film was good in my eyes. It should have been a standalone. The mistake was in making sequels to it.

If they did the same job here, I'd be disappointed. I'm looking forward to a rebirth of the franchise, and it'd be nice if they had more than Barbossa-style shockers in sequels to the next film (which, at this rate, is deep in development hell).

[Prognosticator]

http://static.zooomr.com/images/785015_152eabf59f_o.jpg (Sofia BTW)



gah, gah, gah, gOOm!! :wow:

[nintendo nerd]

gah, gah, gah, gOOm!! :wow:

Yeah, I know too many surgeries. :cwink:

[Hannibal King]

She must have a profound effect on people because, well.... I have no idea how the hell I know her full name.

As for MoS, I don't really mind who the writer is so as long as Singer is directing and the cast is the same. I'm way too attached to Routh as Superman to let someone else be the role.

[Prognosticator]

^ where have you been??? this movie's not even on the table any more....

[fletch1076]

it makes sense that DC doesn't want a marvel guy for Superman. Look what happened when that grapped Singer from x-men. He made the worst comic book movie for the biggest comic book icon

[Prognosticator]

Singer succeeds when he has an ensemble cast, and a great script. But it's obvious he also has his limits, whether he, WB, or others realize it or not.

[nintendo nerd]

it makes sense that DC doesn't want a marvel guy for Superman. Look what happened when that grapped Singer from x-men. He made the worst comic book movie for the biggest comic book icon

http://images.jupiterimages.com/common/detail/70/53/22245370.jpg

[Hannibal King]

^ where have you been??? this movie's not even on the table any more....

Do you have any solid proof? Oh right, didn't think so. I have my doubts, but Millar's recent comments sure make it seem like its still on, but I won't hold my breath. Heck, for all we know, JL could fall apart.

Either way, cya all. I don't hang around here. No offence.

[SuperDaniel]

Why cant Mark Waid, Jeph Loeb and Paul Dini write a script? I`m sure they are much more into Superman than Millar. Jeph Loeb and Paul Dini specially...

[DIRECTOR]

The WB Almost had a talented dude behind this movie who was passionate about Superman and what do they say?

"Sorry we can't use you. You're a marvel guy?"

Are you freaking kidding me? That's like turning down Sofia Vergara and saying "Sorry, we can't bang out. You're a latin chick."

http://static.zooomr.com/images/785015_152eabf59f_o.jpg (Sofia BTW)

Utterly Moronic. Talent is Talent.
DAMNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

[Ultraman Nexus]

Why cant Mark Waid, Jeph Loeb and Paul Dini write a script? I`m sure they are much more into Superman than Millar. Jeph Loeb and Paul Dini specially...


QFT. I'd love it if Paul Dini got that gig. But I would gladly take any of the guys on that list over Millar.

[The Guard]

I think Singer's next film is what will make WB decide on whether to pursue him for SUPERMAN FOREVER. If the Cruise picture bombs, I don't think we'll see him back. He's gonna get paid a lot to make an already-expensive sequel.

Re: Writers, it aint gonna be Kurtzman and Orci...

[bgshw44]

I think Singer's next film is what will make WB decide on whether to pursue him for SUPERMAN FOREVER. If the Cruise picture bombs, I don't think we'll see him back. He's gonna get paid a lot to make an already-expensive sequel.

Re: Writers, it aint gonna be Kurtzman and Orci...

are you saying that they are going ahead with a singer sequel? I hope you are right i remember you were the first to say the Brando was in SR

[Mr. Socko]

They aren't hiring him because he previously worked with Marvel. They already did that with Singer, guess they don't want to make the same mistake twice LOL!


My my, what a web we weave.

[Arkady Rossovich]

It goes to show that the Superman movie franchise has hit rock bottom.

[Excel]

Ted Elliott and Terry Rossia are perfect! Their godzilla script was outstanding!

[The Chris]

I don't get reason. David Goyer wrote the Blade series for the marvel peeps before Batman Begins. We already know about Bryan Singer.

[cptbackfir3]

What kills me about this entire thing is that DC and Marvel have lost their spirit of comic books. I understand that they both have created empires consisting of several types of merchandise, but when all of it comes down to the books. I love DC and Marvel because of their medium of storytelling. It makes me scared to think that there isn't an honest comic book fan on the DC/Marvel board. It's like merging church and state: it doesn't work.

[FlawlessVictory]

I think Singer's next film is what will make WB decide on whether to pursue him for SUPERMAN FOREVER. If the Cruise picture bombs, I don't think we'll see him back. He's gonna get paid a lot to make an already-expensive sequel.

Re: Writers, it aint gonna be Kurtzman and Orci...

I don't see what one has to do with the other. I think Singer's strength is doing a movie like Valkyrie not so much an epic, action oriented movie such as Superman. Valkyrie could go on to become the highest grossing film of all time and sweep the Oscars, and in my eyes, it wouldn't make Singer any more right to do another Superman movie.

[JamalYIgle]

What kills me about this entire thing is that DC and Marvel have lost their spirit of comic books. I understand that they both have created empires consisting of several types of merchandise, but when all of it comes down to the books. I love DC and Marvel because of their medium of storytelling. It makes me scared to think that there isn't an honest comic book fan on the DC/Marvel board. It's like merging church and state: it doesn't work.

Do you really think we spend all our time and effort producing work that we don't put 100% of our love and care into? It doesn't work that way, not in the slightest.

[Lighthouse]

They're talking to Ted Elliot and Terry Rossio of PIRATES fame. You heard it here first.

Wait a minute Guard. Are you serious or are you just kidding? If you aren't, then this is going to be reaaaally awkward. Terry Rossio is the writer who wrote this....

http://www.wordplayer.com/forums/moviesarc07/index.cgi?read=85656

And then the VFX Supervisor of SR came on and said some stuff too.

[Shoemeister]

Well, I'm not too familiar with Millar. But I will say this: how is hiring him any different that hiring Singer?

I mean, Singer did X-Men before Supes, so by that logic, would that make HIM a Marvel guy? It's just kind of ridiculous.

[Lucid]

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