The Official Brainiac Thread

[Dave Kocher]

Post your thoughts here

[GreenKToo]

hugo weaving...

[Weadazoid]

No Idea who shouild play him...but If Superman is to survive it takes a new fresh Villain like Brainiack to bring him back.

[GreenKToo]

man,this is awesome,makes me all excited thinking about the sequel...

[Steelsheen]

Brainiac + Luthor = Luthoriac :up:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Luthoriac.jpg

[CGHulk]

Should Brainic be a robot or should he be some guy with green make up on? i prefer him to be a robot!

[dark_b]

it would be cool to see a bix between alien and cyborg,

[GreenKToo]

yes,a mix would be awesome....it would be cool to see a bix between alien and cyborg,

[Worldbuilder]

Richard as Brainiac?

[Superman \S/]

Brainiac most be the villain for the sequel.

[dark_b]

i think after seeing this it is obvious.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diwHgFbK6uw

1. brainiac
2. William Fichtner

[Kal-El 8]

I would love to see Brainiac in the sequel .

[Superman \S/]

Luthor and Brainiac team up. :up:

[The Question]

Actually, I'd prefer it a Lex and Superman team up against Brainiac. Brainiac comes to Earth looking to remake i into what he sees as a perfect world. He goes to Lex to use him for his technological skills. Superman ends up having to save Luthor, and maybe at the end Luthor pulls some legal manuevers and convinces the courts that his criminal actions were the cause of Brainiac threatening him.

[The Kid]

hugo weaving...

YES :heart: :heart: :heart:

[SuperDaniel]

Actually, I'd prefer it a Lex and Superman team up against Brainiac. Brainiac comes to Earth looking to remake i into what he sees as a perfect world. He goes to Lex to use him for his technological skills. Superman ends up having to save Luthor, and maybe at the end Luthor pulls some legal manuevers and convinces the courts that his criminal actions were the cause of Brainiac threatening him.
That would be cool. And lex makes LexCorp in the end. In a perfect world, the movie would be about this.

But in singer`s world, a movie with zod and superman being a father.

[Super Kal]

i think after seeing this it is obvious.


1. brainiac
2. William Fichtner
not bad at all Dark B, but you should really consider getting rid of that link and reporting that link on Youtube... it contains bootleg material and that's illegal on these boards.

[WhatsHisFace]

Braniac must be played by Tim Allen, like Wizard wanted him to be.

Die Wizard! :mad:

[The Sage]

This is the guy I want to see right here. Routh spoke about the world becoming too dependent on Superman and needing him all the time. I'd love to see Brainiac try to capitalize on Kal's feelings about that to lure him away from Earth and by his side, or maybe to trap him. Talking about how weak humanity is. But Superman isn't able to leave, and Brainiac wonders why, and he slowly but surely discovers Jason.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

This is the guy I want to see right here. Routh spoke about the world becoming too dependent on Superman and needing him all the time. I'd love to see Brainiac try to capitalize on Kal's feelings about that to lure him away from Earth and by his side, or maybe to trap him. Talking about how weak humanity is. But Superman isn't able to leave, and Brainiac wonders why, and he slowly but surely discovers Jason.

:up:

And someone earlier who stated Hugo Weaving should be Brainiac was spot on.

[ScottishFogg]

i actually would like to see Patrick Stewart in the role.

i know, i know. he's Xavier.

but with him and Singer having worked together, it seems like he has an easy in. he's an actor who can pull off a wide range of characters (though his two biggest roles have been attached to chairs). i think having him on screen, with Spacey as Luthor, would be FANTASTIC. besides, i've always wanted to see him play a villain. :D

[The Question]

That would be cool. And lex makes LexCorp in the end. In a perfect world, the movie would be about this.

But in singer`s world, a movie with zod and superman being a father.

Sadly.



Also, I'd actually be a little weird here and cast Brent Spiner as Brainiac. And not at all for his role as Data on Star Trek. The Brainiac I want to see would be sarcastic, petty, and very emotional. More like Lor from Star Trek, actually. Plus, Spiner's got the look for pre-body snatched Milton Fine. You could see him as a washed up side show mystic.

[Eddie Dean]

Actually, I'd prefer it a Lex and Superman team up against Brainiac. Brainiac comes to Earth looking to remake i into what he sees as a perfect world. He goes to Lex to use him for his technological skills. Superman ends up having to save Luthor, and maybe at the end Luthor pulls some legal manuevers and convinces the courts that his criminal actions were the cause of Brainiac threatening him.
Only in a perfect world.

Oh and by the way, John Malkovich.

[The Overlord]

I wpuld go with a CGI robot Brainiac, instead of actor in green makeup. Also I think Corey Burton should voice him, but I bet they will go with a movie star instead.

[The Overlord]

Sadly.



Also, I'd actually be a little weird here and cast Brent Spiner as Brainiac. And not at all for his role as Data on Star Trek. The Brainiac I want to see would be sarcastic, petty, and very emotional. More like Lor from Star Trek, actually. Plus, Spiner's got the look for pre-body snatched Milton Fine. You could see him as a washed up side show mystic.

I never liked post crisis Brainiac or the Milton Fine addition of the character, that all seemed needlessly convoluted and silly to me. I still think STAS Brainiac was the best version of the character and I would go with that version, plus I would go with a CGI robot instead of an onscreen actor.

[The Question]

I never liked post crisis Brainiac or the Milton Fine addition of the character, that all seemed needlessly convoluted and silly to me. I still think STAS Brainiac was the best version of the character and I would go with that version, plus I would go with a CGI robot instead of an onscreen actor.

It's not any more convoluted than any other comic book character. Alian AI comes to Earth, latches on to a carnival mystic, turns said mystic's body into that of a techno/organic life form and boosts his meger psychic abilities to much greater levels. Seems pretty simple to me.

Anyway, CGI is far too overused. There are plenty of instances in modern films where CGI was completely unnecessairy. This would be one of them. Use ana ctor in a suit. Looks better on screen anyway.

[The Overlord]

It's not any more convoluted than any other comic book character. Alian AI comes to Earth, latches on to a carnival mystic, turns said mystic's body into that of a techno/organic life form and boosts his meger psychic abilities to much greater levels. Seems pretty simple to me.

Anyway, CGI is far too overused. There are plenty of instances in modern films where CGI was completely unnecessairy. This would be one of them. Use ana ctor in a suit. Looks better on screen anyway.

I never understood why Brainiac would take over the mind of a circus freak instead of someone more impressive, that always felt lame and tacked on to me. Besides a CGI robot would be more fearsome looking then a guy in green makeup, which would look lame on screen.

[The Question]

I never understood why Brainiac would take over the mind of a circus freak instead of someone more impressive, that always felt lame and tacked on to me.

Because the circus freak had latent psychic powers that Brainiac was able to amplify to vast levels. Besides, it's actually rather smart. Who are you going to notice acting strangely or dissapearing all together? A washed up stage magician, or the President?

Besides a CGI robot would be more fearsome looking then a guy in green makeup, which would look lame on screen.

A CGI robot would look fake. Have the guy in make up. Then you actually have someone there for the other actors to interact with.

[The Overlord]

Because the circus freak had latent psychic powers that Brainiac was able to amplify to vast levels. Besides, it's actually rather smart. Who are you going to notice acting strangely or dissapearing all together? A washed up stage magician, or the President?



A CGI robot would look fake. Have the guy in make up. Then you actually have someone there for the other actors to interact with.

Why not take over the brain of a powerful alien ruler, with armies already under his command. Vril Dox pretty well had his pick of any brain in the universe, its silly that he picked a ciricus freak. Besides there were likely individuals with even greater psychic powers than Fine's in the universe. The circus freak thing always felt lame, tacked on and illogical, there was a reason DC dropped that angle from the character. Milton Fine Brainiac was never that impressive, he spent most of his time being Lex's lackey than following his agenda. Post Crisis Brainiac only became somewhat cool after that circus freak angle was dropped. STAS Brainiac is a billion times cooler than Post Crisis Brainiac.

Whether the CGI robot looks fake or not depends on how they do it, you cannot say for certain that it would look fake. Besides I don't understand how someone in a jumpsuit with green makeup would look fearsome at all or would make you believe that this villain is match for Superman.

I think the coolest look Brainiac ever had was his late Pre crisis skull robot look, when he looks like that he looks like a real threat, unlike when he is just a little green man, doesn't look threatening at all.

[The Question]

Why not take over the brain of a powerful alien ruler, with armies already under his command. Vril Dox pretty well had his pick of any brain in the universe, its silly that he picked a ciricus freak. Besides there were likely individuals with even greater psychic powers than Fine's in the universe. The circus freak thing always felt lame, tacked on and illogical, there was a reason DC dropped that angle from the character. Milton Fine Brainiac was never that impressive, he spent most of his time being Lex's lackey than following his agenda. Post Crisis Brainiac only became somewhat cool after that circus freak angle was dropped. STAS Brainiac is a billion times cooler than Post Crisis Brainiac.

Maybe he was simply trying to be subtle. Taking over a plent from the inside out and not drawing atention to himself.

Whether the CGI robot looks fake or not depends on how they do it, you cannot say for certain that it would look fake. Besides I don't understand how someone in a jumpsuit with green makeup would look fearsome at all or would make you believe that this villain is match for Superman.

When you say it like that, it sounds retarded. But they could use make up and make him look good. And with CGI, you can almost always tell that it's CG. I'd rather have a Brainiac who looks like he's actually in the same room with Superman.

I think the coolest look Brainiac ever had was his late Pre crisis skull robot look, when he looks like that he looks like a real threat, unlike when he is just a little green man, doesn't look threatening at all.

Who cares if he looks threatening? All that matters is that he is threatening. Having the look he has in the Justice maxi series, plus some more techno implants, would be fine.

[The Overlord]

Maybe he was simply trying to be subtle. Taking over a plent from the inside out and not drawing atention to himself.



When you say it like that, it sounds retarded. But they could use make up and make him look good. And with CGI, you can almost always tell that it's CG. I'd rather have a Brainiac who looks like he's actually in the same room with Superman.



Who cares if he looks threatening? All that matters is that he is threatening. Having the look he has in the Justice maxi series, plus some more techno implants, would be fine.

All Milton Fine Brainiac did was become Lex Luthor's lackey, how did that accomplish anything? Can you name one storyline where brainiac in his Milton Fine guise did anything of note? The circus angle was convoluted and uneeded, especial for a villain who had far impressive feats in the past. I never uinderstood the purpose of adding a circus freak into Brainiac's mythos. I see no reason to include Milton Fine, no matter what version of brainiac they go with. Besides again STAS Brainiac is a million times cooler than post crisis Brainac ever was.

As for CGI, I could tell that Gollum from LOTR was CGI, but I didn't care because he looked awesome. It all depends on how its handled. Little green man Brainiac never really looked threatening on the pages of the comic book either. Again maybe he did in the Justice mini(I have never read it), but doesn't mean it will translate well on screen. Movies are visual medium, if the characters do not look impressive on screen, they will not be seen as been impressive by the audience

[The Question]

All Milton Fine Brainiac did was become Lex Luthor's lackey, how did that accomplish anything? Can you name one storyline where brainiac in his Milton Fine guise did anything of note? The circus angle was convoluted and uneeded, especial for a villain who had far impressive feats in the past. I never uinderstood the purpose of adding a circus freak into Brainiac's mythos. I see no reason to include Milton Fine, no matter what version of brainiac they go with. Besides again STAS Brainiac is a million times cooler than post crisis Brainac ever was.

Mitlon Fine isn't convoluted. The Milton Fine aspect is in fact very straight forward. And Brainiac only used Lex to get into a possition where he could make a bid for power. Really, there's nothing inherently wrong with Fine.

As for CGI, I could tell that Gollum from LOTR was CGI, but I didn't care because he looked awesome. It all depends on how its handled. Little green man Brainiac never really looked threatening on the pages of the comic book either. Again maybe he did in the Justice mini(I have never read it), but doesn't mean it will translate well on screen. Movies are visual medium, if the characters do not look impressive on screen, they will not be seen as been impressive by the audience

Gollum as CGI was necessairy because no one on Earth is that skinny and capable of acting in a film. With Brainiac, it is completely unnecessairy. Also, Brainiac is not a little green man. He's generally quite tall. And really, he doesn't need to look especially threatening or scary. He simply has to not look retarded. And green skin with cybernetic implants sticking out of your head, if done by the right makeup artist, doesn't look retarded.

[The Question]

Also, this is the look I was thinking of for Brainiac:


http://www.epicheroes.com/shop/images/comicheroes/dc_direct_ross_series5_brainiac.jpg

Simple yet functional.

[Leto]

That is the worst picture of Brainiac ever. :oldrazz:

No audience in the world would take that seriously. He's wearing a dress!He has a monkey! He looks like a skinny Frankenstein!

TERRIBLE!

[Weadazoid]

Also, this is the look I was thinking of for Brainiac:


http://www.epicheroes.com/shop/images/comicheroes/dc_direct_ross_series5_brainiac.jpg

Simple yet functional.



nah he shouldn't look like that... then again he shouldn't look like this either

http://www.rolfmohr.com/Brainiac.JPG


WHy does he look more like an Alien Queen then a Supervillain????

[The Question]

That is the worst picture of Brainiac ever. :oldrazz:

No audience in the world would take that seriously. He's wearing a dress!He has a monkey! He looks like a skinny Frankenstein!

TERRIBLE!

It's not a dress. They're medical scrubs. It's going for a mad scientist look. And he doesn't need the monkey.

[The Overlord]

Also, this is the look I was thinking of for Brainiac:


http://www.epicheroes.com/shop/images/comicheroes/dc_direct_ross_series5_brainiac.jpg

Simple yet functional.

I don't like that look, he doesn't look powerful or threatening to be seen as worthy foe for Superman, movies are about visuals, if the villains doesn't look threatening the general audience won't see him as threeatening. I still think the Pre crisis skull robot is the best look he had.

[The Question]

I don't like that look, he doesn't look powerful or threatening to be seen as worthy foe for Superman, movies are about visuals, if the villains doesn't look threatening the general audience won't see him as threeatening. I still think the Pre crisis skull robot is the best look he had.

If he looks threatening, then it seems that he's trying to look threatening, and that's not what Brainiac's about. If the general audiance doesn't see him as threatening based on looks, then the general audiance is ****ing retarded. He should seem threatening based on how threatening he is, not how threatening he looks. Besides, you can get some creepy mad scientist vibes from the pic I posted if it were filmed and acted properly.

[The Overlord]

Mitlon Fine isn't convoluted. The Milton Fine aspect is in fact very straight forward. And Brainiac only used Lex to get into a possition where he could make a bid for power. Really, there's nothing inherently wrong with Fine.



Gollum as CGI was necessairy because no one on Earth is that skinny and capable of acting in a film. With Brainiac, it is completely unnecessairy. Also, Brainiac is not a little green man. He's generally quite tall. And really, he doesn't need to look especially threatening or scary. He simply has to not look retarded. And green skin with cybernetic implants sticking out of your head, if done by the right makeup artist, doesn't look retarded.

Milton Fine is pointless, he adds nothing to the character and is just a waste of time. Seriously I don't want to waste time getting know some circus freak instead of developing the plot or Superman's character. There is only so much time we have for the movie, we don't have time to waste on Milton Fine. KISS (Keep it simple stupid). What works in the comics (though I thought Milton Fine never worked in the comics) doesn't always work on screen. Besides when was Fine planning on betraying Lex, I don't think you know your Brainiac history:
http://www.monitorduty.com/mdarchives/2005/11/kistlers_profil_1.shtml

Your missing a major point, films are visual medium, the audience will think the villain is a threat if he looks threatening and will not think him a threat if he doesn't look threatening.

[The Question]

Milton Fine is pointless, he adds nothing to the character and is just a waste of time.

he doesn't take anything away from the character either.

Seriously I don't want to waste time getting know some circus freak instead of developing the plot or Superman's character. There is only so much time we have for the movie, we don't have time to waste on Milton Fine.

Miltone Fine wouldn't take up much time at all. Washed up carnival mystic walks outside, finds weird bit of alient technology, weird bit of alien technology latches onto him and takes over his bosy. One scene.

KISS (Keep it simple stupid). What works in the comics (though I thought Milton Fine never worked in the comics) doesn't always work on screen.

That doesn't mean it doesn't work, either.

Your missing a major point, films are visual medium, the audience will think the villain is a threat if he looks threatening and will not think him a threat if he doesn't look threatening.

Comics are also a visual medium. And if an audience doesn't think a character is a threat just because he isn't designed to look hella badass, then the audience is too stupid ti be allowed to live.

[The Overlord]

If he looks threatening, then it seems that he's trying to look threatening, and that's not what Brainiac's about. If the general audiance doesn't see him as threatening based on looks, then the general audiance is ****ing retarded. He should seem threatening based on how threatening he is, not how threatening he looks. Besides, you can get some creepy mad scientist vibes from the pic I posted if it were filmed and acted properly.

Brainiac is about a million different things, considering there as million different versions of him versions, so you really can't say what Brainiac is about, it depends on the version. He has many differnt threatening and non threatening looks over the years.

As for the audience being stupid P. T. Barnum said "you can never go broke underestimating the stupidity of American public." In most movies the villains look threatening because the audience wants a threatening looking villain.

Besides how is Brainiac supposed go toe to toe with Superman without his robot body?

[The Question]

Brainiac is about a million different things, considering there as million different versions of him versions, so you really can't say what Brainiac is about, it depends on the version. He has many differnt threatening and non threatening looks over the years.

Yet Brainiac's never been about making himself look cool or badass.

As for the audience being stupid P. T. Barnum said "you can never go broke underestimating the stupidity of American public." In most movies the villains look threatening because the audience wants a threatening looking villain.

That doesn't mean that the audience would be so stupid as to think that the villain isn't a threat simply because he doesn't look badass. There's absolutely nothing wrong with the green skin/cybernetic implant look.

Besides how is Brainiac supposed go toe to toe with Superman without his robot body?

By using telekinesis and energy blasts, like always.

[The Overlord]

he doesn't take anything away from the character either.



Miltone Fine wouldn't take up much time at all. Washed up carnival mystic walks outside, finds weird bit of alient technology, weird bit of alien technology latches onto him and takes over his bosy. One scene.



That doesn't mean it doesn't work, either.



Comics are also a visual medium. And if an audience doesn't think a character is a threat just because he isn't designed to look hella badass, then the audience is too stupid ti be allowed to live.

If he doesn't add anything to the character, what's the point putting him in a film? Besides I never liked Milton Fine, so I would be happy if he wasn't the film and see no point in adding him into the movie, he is a stupid concept and mere minor footnote in brainiac's vast history.

Comics are visual medium, but works in a different way, what works in the comics doesn't always work on film. Why do you think Wolverine didn't wear his comic costume in the films? Besides so far most people on this thread have reacted negatively to your Brainiac picture. But that's just a few posters, if some one made a thread with a poll asking how Brainiac should look, we will see which one people like better.

[The Overlord]

What should Brainiac look like? A robot, a green humanoid or somethig else?

[The Overlord]

Up above is humanoid brainiac and here is robot Brainiac:

http://www.monitorduty.com/mdarchives/BrainiacRobotic.jpg

[The Question]

If he doesn't add anything to the character, what's the point putting him in a film?

Because it doesn't take anything away from the character either. It simply is.

Besides I never liked Milton Fine, so I would be happy if he wasn't the film and see no point in adding him into the movie, he is a stupid concept and mere minor footnote in brainiac's vast history.

Fine, I guess. I just don't think it hurts anything.

Comics are visual medium, but works in a different way, what works in the comics doesn't always work on film. Why do you think Wolverine didn't wear his comic costume in the films?

True. But Brainiac is hardly an example of this. His look isn't particularly bad or cheesy.

Besides so far most people on this thread have reacted negatively to your Brainiac picture. But that's just a few posters, if some one made a thread with a poll asking how Brainiac should look, we will see which one people like better.

Three people have responded. I'd hardly call that a fair assesment.

[The Overlord]

Because it doesn't take anything away from the character either. It simply is.



Fine, I guess. I just don't think it hurts anything.



True. But Brainiac is hardly an example of this. His look isn't particularly bad or cheesy.



Three people have responded. I'd hardly call that a fair assesment.

This poll showed that big majority of people on this board would prefer robot brainiac to humanoid Brainiac:

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=241120&highlight=brainiac+robot

[Kabuki_Jo]

This has been asked before, with pictures...

[The Overlord]

This has been asked before, with pictures...

Never mind, the mods can close this thread if they want.

[Thespiralgoeson]

I never liked post crisis Brainiac or the Milton Fine addition of the character, that all seemed needlessly convoluted and silly to me. I still think STAS Brainiac was the best version of the character and I would go with that version, plus I would go with a CGI robot instead of an onscreen actor.

Agreed. STAS Brainiac is by far and away my favorite incarnation of the character.

[Compi716]

I want him to look like his TAS counterpart.

[Super Kal]

a mix of all three...

[DavidTyler]

Up above is humanoid brainiac and here is robot Brainiac:

http://www.monitorduty.com/mdarchives/BrainiacRobotic.jpg

This is my favourite version of the character but this isn't my favourite sketch of it.

I actually have the toy that some company put out a long time ago.

Second to that is the version of Brainiac that DC a while back where he was a humanoid in a black body suit w/a huge purple cape. Not the version where they deformed his head but the one that looks like traditional Brainiac but w/a goatee and a better costume.

The animated series is third.

[The Question]

This poll showed that big majority of people on this board would prefer robot brainiac to humanoid Brainiac:

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=241120&highlight=brainiac+robot

Fine for them. I wouldn't. And I doubt anyone who saw a humanoid Brainiac would be stupid enough to not think he was a threat based solely on apearance.

[The Overlord]

Fine for them. I wouldn't. And I doubt anyone who saw a humanoid Brainiac would be stupid enough to not think he was a threat based solely on apearance.

Ah, but using this as an informal poll, if comic book fans want brainiac to have his robot body, why shouldn't he have it? How is Brainiac going to go toe to toe with Superman without his robot body? You may like the green humanoid Brainiac, but you are in the vast minority in this board, in this film should try please the majority of fans, not the minority.

[The Overlord]

a mix of all three...

How would that be pulled off?

[The Question]

Ah, but using this as an informal poll, if comic book fans want brainiac to have his robot body, why shouldn't he have it?

Because not everyone likes it, maybe?

How is Brainiac going to go toe to toe with Superman without his robot body?

I already said. TK and energy blasts. Like he always does. He;s never actually been a match for Clark in terms of physical strength.

You may like the green humanoid Brainiac, but you are in the vast minority in this board, in this film should try please the majority of fans, not the minority.

I think that's a bit of an exadgeration. Besides, if I simply bended to the opinion of a somewhat larger group of people, then I'd just be an idiot. I like green skinned Brainiac. That's the look Brainiac's almost always had and there's nothing inherently flawed with it.

[The Question]

I'm partial to the green skin with cybernetic implants Brainiac. Just personal preference.

[dpm07]

I like the TAS/JL/JLU version.

[dark_b]

Maybe he was simply trying to be subtle. Taking over a plent from the inside out and not drawing atention to himself.



When you say it like that, it sounds retarded. But they could use make up and make him look good. And with CGI, you can almost always tell that it's CG. I'd rather have a Brainiac who looks like he's actually in the same room with Superman.



Who cares if he looks threatening? All that matters is that he is threatening. Having the look he has in the Justice maxi series, plus some more techno implants, would be fine.davy jones. people who are making CGI for a living didnt know 100% of he was all CGI. it is the best CGI that was ever made. they can make a realistic brainiac only if they want to.

but we all know that zod will be the villain.

[M.O.Steel]

This is my favourite version of the character but this isn't my favourite sketch of it.

I actually have the toy that some company put out a long time ago.

Second to that is the version of Brainiac that DC a while back where he was a humanoid in a black body suit w/a huge purple cape. Not the version where they deformed his head but the one that looks like traditional Brainiac but w/a goatee and a better costume.

The animated series is third.

do you have a picture of that second description you're talking about?

[The Question]

davy jones. people who are making CGI for a living didnt know 100% of he was all CGI. it is the best CGI that was ever made. they can make a realistic brainiac only if they want to.

Ah yes. This is true. Still, I'd prefer make up to be used. CGI is often used when it's unnecessairy, and it's unnecessairy with Brainiac.

[Motown Marvel]

i'd like to see him in his classic look, but with the origins and characterization of TAS.

http://www.alexrossart.com/galleries/justice/thumb/justice2_p28_thumb.jpg

larger pic:
http://www.alexrossart.com/popup.asp?img=galleries/justice/full/justice2_p28_full.jpg

[The Overlord]

Because not everyone likes it, maybe?

You can't please everyone and since most people on this board perfer robot Brainiac, why should the majority seed the minority?

I already said. TK and energy blasts. Like he always does. He;s never actually been a match for Clark in terms of physical strength.

Meh, that's kinda boring, how would brainiac take punches from Superman? Robot Brainiac's durablity is far greater than humanoid Brainiac, so Superman can lay into Brainiac. Plus Superman can destory robot Brainiac without becomming a murderer, which he can't do to humanoid Brainiac.

I think that's a bit of an exadgeration. Besides, if I simply bended to the opinion of a somewhat larger group of people, then I'd just be an idiot. I like green skinned Brainiac. That's the look Brainiac's almost always had and there's nothing inherently flawed with it.

Check any poll or thread on this board regarding this subject and you will see the majority favour robot brainiac. Just because you like the green humanoid look doesn't the most of the fans do. Besides Brainiac often looked silly with that look (remember when he wore a golf shirt and bloomers). You like that look, but I bet most fans on this board do not.

[The Overlord]

Ah yes. This is true. Still, I'd prefer make up to be used. CGI is often used when it's unnecessairy, and it's unnecessairy with Brainiac.

But CGI would be needed if we want to see robot Brainiac, which most people on this board want to see.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

TAS everything is the answer by most standards.

[The Question]

But CGI would be needed if we want to see robot Brainiac, which most people on this board want to see.

And it's not what I want. Green skin with cybernetic implants is, I think, the best way to go. Somethink akin to the Borg, albiet with the implants a bit more downplayed.

[The Overlord]

And it's not what I want. Green skin with cybernetic implants is, I think, the best way to go. Somethink akin to the Borg, albiet with the implants a bit more downplayed.

In life we often don't get what we want, since the majority want robot Brainiac, I think that is what we will get, besides its the robot version of the character that was shown up in most major media, so people are more familar with robot Brainiac. Often in these cases majority rules and the minority has to live with it.

[kal-el1990]

someone here it think designed a reallygood braniac based on the crystals and he had 3 modes, sleep, normal and battle i think.

[The Question]

In life we often don't get what we want, since the majority want robot Brainiac, I think that is what we will get, besides its the robot version of the character that was shown up in most major media, so people are more familar with robot Brainiac. Often in these cases majority rules and the minority has to live with it.

That's a stupid arguement. This is asking about our opinions. My opinion is that Brainiac should be a green skinned humanoid with cybernetic implants. And he most definately shouldn't be CGI. CGI is used far too much these days. Using for Brainiac would be unnecessairy. And really, it would hurt the preformances. It would be having the actors interacting with something that isn't there. You'd have Superman fighting something that isn't there. It would look fake. My feeling is that you should use practical effects as much as possibl and only use CGI when you need to. Unless, of course, you're doing it for artistic reasons, like in Sin City.

[The Overlord]

That's a stupid arguement. This is asking about our opinions. My opinion is that Brainiac should be a green skinned humanoid with cybernetic implants. And he most definately shouldn't be CGI. CGI is used far too much these days. Using for Brainiac would be unnecessairy. And really, it would hurt the preformances. It would be having the actors interacting with something that isn't there. You'd have Superman fighting something that isn't there. It would look fake. My feeling is that you should use practical effects as much as possibl and only use CGI when you need to. Unless, of course, you're doing it for artistic reasons, like in Sin City.

That's your opinion, but you seemed to say that majority of fans were okay with a humanoid Brainiac, but I think I have pointed out that most would prefer a robot Brainiac. Besides after STAS and JLU most are more familar with robot Brainiac and STAS Brainiac is vastly superior to post crisis Brainiac. Just because you don't thinka cGI Brainiac couldn't work, doesn't mean it won't and if a CGI Brainiac did look awesome on screen, would you be complaining?

[Kabuki_Jo]

i'd like to see him in his classic look, but with the origins and characterization of TAS.

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Awesome!

[The Question]

That's your opinion, but you seemed to say that majority of fans were okay with a humanoid Brainiac, but I think I have pointed out that most would prefer a robot Brainiac.

I never said that at all. I made no claims as to what other people's opinions are. Honestly, I don't care what other people's opinions are.

Besides after STAS and JLU most are more familar with robot Brainiac and STAS Brainiac is vastly superior to post crisis Brainiac.

1) Brainiac was only the silver skull robot for a few years. Most people are familiar with green skinned humanoid Brainiac.

2) Sheer opinion. I like Post Crisis Brainiac better. Far better personality.

Just because you don't thinka cGI Brainiac couldn't work, doesn't mean it won't and if a CGI Brainiac did look awesome on screen, would you be complaining?

I'd still think it was unnecessairy. CGI is over used. The art of practical special effects is all but dead.

[The Overlord]

I never said that at all. I made no claims as to what other people's opinions are. Honestly, I don't care what other people's opinions are.

Alright then I don't care if like you humanoid Brainiac and I like robot brainiac and hope he gets moved in the movie, because I don't like humanoid Brainiac. if we are going by sheer opinion, this arguement is pointless, because we won't change our opinions any time soon.

1) Brainiac was only the silver skull robot for a few years. Most people are familiar with green skinned humanoid Brainiac.

Actually most people are most familar with the robot Brainiac that has been showing up STAS, JLU and Smallville

2) Sheer opinion. I like Post Crisis Brainiac better. Far better personality.

What made Post crisis brainiac better than any other alien warlord running around, plus I always thought the circus freak. At least STAs brainiac had a personal connmection to Superman.

I'd still think it was unnecessairy. CGI is over used. The art of practical special effects is all but dead.

Well I say it is necessary because I like robot Brainiac, better than humanoid Brainiac.

[The Question]

Alright then I don't care if like you humanoid Brainiac and I like robot brainiac and hope he gets moved in the movie, because I don't like humanoid Brainiac. if we are going by sheer opinion, this arguement is pointless, because we won't change our opinions any time soon.

Okay. :huh:

Actually most people are most familar with the robot Brainiac that has been showing up STAS, JLU and Smallville

But all of those Brainiacs are humanoid in apearance, and the DCAU Brainiac is a green skinned humanoid. And Brainiac has always been alien AI.

What made Post crisis brainiac better than any other alien warlord running around, plus I always thought the circus freak.

I just like his personality better. DCAU Brainiac is completely cold and emotionless. Post Crisis Brainiac had a very dry sense of humor and a flair for the dramatic. He;s more fun, I guess.

At least STAs brainiac had a personal connmection to Superman.

Why does he need a personal connection?

Well I say it is necessary because I like robot Brainiac, better than humanoid Brainiac.

You can still do a more robotic looking Brainiac with practical effects. CGI is far too over used. If we have a completely CGI Brainiac, there's nothing for the actors to interact with on stage. And all completely CGI characters I've seen in films with the exception of one looked obviously fake, which is really really distracting. CGI is completely unnecessairy here. Practical effects should not become a dead art form.

Besides, Brainiac's body has, for a long time, been techno/organic in nature. He can look more or less fleshy on the outside with a bunch of artificial implants and simply have his innards be a blend of technology and biology.

[The Overlord]

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Okay. :huh:

If your just going to argue solely on opinion this discussion will go nowhere.


But all of those Brainiacs are humanoid in apearance, and the DCAU Brainiac is a green skinned humanoid. And Brainiac has always been alien AI.

Post crisis Brainiac is abiological being Viril Dox, an alien humanoid, not an aI. I perfer the AI. I suppose the STAS like may work as well, as long as Brainiac looks robotic.

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I just like his personality better. DCAU Brainiac is completely cold and emotionless. Post Crisis Brainiac had a very dry sense of humor and a flair for the dramatic. He;s more fun, I guess.

Mongul already has a nasty sense of humour, giving Brainiac makes him seem generic and Darkseid kinda has a flare for the dramatic. Besides humanoid Brainiac is a Coluan, they are race of pure logic with no emotions (like the Vulcans) so he shouldn't have a sense of humour or a flare for the dramatic. Making Brainiac cold, logical and indifferent makes different from other alien menaces, he isn't a sadist like Darksied or has a sense of humour like Mongul, that's what makes him different.


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Why does he need a personal connection?

Why not? It puts him a cut above other alien menaces in terms of dramatic tension.

You can still do a more robotic looking Brainiac with practical effects. CGI is far too over used. If we have a completely CGI Brainiac, there's nothing for the actors to interact with on stage. And all completely CGI characters I've seen in films with the exception of one looked obviously fake, which is really really distracting. CGI is completely unnecessairy here. Practical effects should not become a dead art form.

I want as much CGI as needed to bring a cool looking robot Brainiac, they use other effects as well, as long as I see robot Brainiac on screen. Like Doc Ock arms in SMII, they combined robotics with CGI to put them on screen and they looked great. Why couldn't they do that with Brainiac

Besides, Brainiac's body has, for a long time, been techno/organic in nature. He can look more or less fleshy on the outside with a bunch of artificial implants and simply have his innards be a blend of technology and biology.

If he doesn't have all over robot body, what Superman from knocking him out in the first second? Robot Brainiac was always tougher. In early 1980s robot Brainiac defeated the JLA and has a major player in Crisis on Infinite earths. In the late 90s, the robotic Brainiac 13 posed the greatest threat of any appearances from post crisis Brainaic. Robot Brainiac is just more of a threat then humanoid Brainiac.

[The Question]

If your just going to argue solely on opinion this discussion will go nowhere.

We're both argueing solely on opinion.

Post crisis Brainiac is abiological being Viril Dox, an alien humanoid, not an aI. I perfer the AI. I suppose the STAS like may work as well, as long as Brainiac looks robotic.

Fine. I personally prefer him to look likle a techno/organic blend.

Mongul already has a nasty sense of humour, giving Brainiac makes him seem generic and Darkseid kinda has a flare for the dramatic. Besides humanoid Brainiac is a Coluan, they are race of pure logic with no emotions (like the Vulcans) so he shouldn't have a sense of humour or a flare for the dramatic. Making Brainiac cold, logical and indifferent makes different from other alien menaces, he isn't a sadist like Darksied or has a sense of humour like Mongul, that's what makes him different.

You obviously know absolutely nothing about Brainiac. Or the people of Colu, for that matter. Brainiac does have a dry sense of humor and a flair for the dramatic. And the people of Colu are not cold and emotionless. They're just really really smart and think they're better than everyone else. Brainiac 5 is detatched from the rest of the Legion, but that's because he's an *******, not because he lacks emotion.

Why not? It puts him a cut above other alien menaces in terms of dramatic tension.

But it seems kind of arbitrairy. I'd rather see a Brainiac based on the comics than S:TAS. There's no need for him to be from Krypton.

I want as much CGI as needed to bring a cool looking robot Brainiac, they use other effects as well, as long as I see robot Brainiac on screen. Like Doc Ock arms in SMII, they combined robotics with CGI to put them on screen and they looked great. Why couldn't they do that with Brainiac

They could. But he should not be completely CGI. As much of it as possible should be a guy in a suit. CGI is far too overused, and practical effects are a dying art form.

If he doesn't have all over robot body, what Superman from knocking him out in the first second? Robot Brainiac was always tougher. In early 1980s robot Brainiac defeated the JLA and has a major player in Crisis on Infinite earths. In the late 90s, the robotic Brainiac 13 posed the greatest threat of any appearances from post crisis Brainaic. Robot Brainiac is just more of a threat then humanoid Brainiac.

You obviously haven't been listening to me at all. As I said: Don;t actually have him physically fighting Superman. Brainiac has never been a physical fighter. He uses weapons and TK and energy based atacks against Supes. Also, I doubt robotic Brainiac taking down the JLA happened with him physically fighting them hand to hand, and his major part in the Crisis had him in a mastermind role. Wether or not he's a robot is superficial in that story. He could have been completely humanoid and the story would have been the same. Also, if you do have him actually trading blows with Supes (although I don't see why), why not just imply that when he altered the organic tissues in his body, he made them tougher?

[GreenKToo]

I would like to see a mix of a humanoid/robot Brainiac.Whose to say he couldnt go toe to toe with supes.we dont know where he will be from.Also,I would love to see Hugo Weaving play him....

[The Overlord]

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We're both argueing solely on opinion.

Fair enough.

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Fine. I personally prefer him to look likle a techno/organic blend.

Different strokes for different folks.

You obviously know absolutely nothing about Brainiac. Or the people of Colu, for that matter. Brainiac does have a dry sense of humor and a flair for the dramatic. And the people of Colu are not cold and emotionless. They're just really really smart and think they're better than everyone else. Brainiac 5 is detatched from the rest of the Legion, but that's because he's an *******, not because he lacks emotion.

I always heard that the Coluans were logical and emotional, but I may have heard wrong. Anyway I still think Brainiac being cold, indifferent and emotionless sets him apart from more emotional cosmic meanaces, like the sadistic Darksied.

But it seems kind of arbitrairy. I'd rather see a Brainiac based on the comics than S:TAS. There's no need for him to be from Krypton.

I perfer STAS Brainiac, he is far less convoluted and entertaining character.

They could. But he should not be completely CGI. As much of it as possible should be a guy in a suit. CGI is far too overused, and practical effects are a dying art form.

If they could use a combo of robotics and CGI to make robot Brainiac look awesome on screen, I don't see why shouldn't do it.

You obviously haven't been listening to me at all. As I said: Don;t actually have him physically fighting Superman. Brainiac has never been a physical fighter. He uses weapons and TK and energy based atacks against Supes. Also, I doubt robotic Brainiac taking down the JLA happened with him physically fighting them hand to hand, and his major part in the Crisis had him in a mastermind role. Wether or not he's a robot is superficial in that story. He could have been completely humanoid and the story would have been the same. Also, if you do have him actually trading blows with Supes (although I don't see why), why not just imply that when he altered the organic tissues in his body, he made them tougher?

People on this board want a villain that can present a phsyical threat in the next film, they want they want some action, that's what was missing in SR. I don't want Brainiac to be just another bald evil genius, Lex already has that angle covered. If Brainiac just has mental powers what's to stop Supes from going at super speed and knocking him out before he can think? People want a big super villain brawl in the next film, not another bald evil genius. Robot Brainiac has been able to present a phsyical threat to Superman, look at Brainiac 13 and STAS Brainiac. In SR we already had a villain who was just an evil genius, in the sequel why not have a villain who is both a thinker and a fighter?

[The Question]

I always heard that the Coluans were logical and emotional,

Yes, they are logical and emotional. :cwink:

All kidding asside, the people of Colu are not unemotional. They're just arrogant.

but I may have heard wrong. Anyway I still think Brainiac being cold, indifferent and emotionless sets him apart from more emotional cosmic meanaces, like the sadistic Darksied.

How would making him unemotional make him less like Darkseid? Darkseid is very unemotional. Unless you really piss him off, he's usually quite cold and monotone. Making Brainiac unemotional is turning him into The Borg. And I'd rather see Brainiac actually be Brainiac.

I perfer STAS Brainiac, he is far less convoluted and entertaining character.

There's nothing convoluted about Brainiac's origin. Computerized alien inteligence fuses with human. Gives human super powers. Slowly transforms human body into a techno/organic one. Tries to take over the world. It's pretty simple. And S:TAS Brainiac was basically The Eradicator with Brainiac's name.

If they could use a combo of robotics and CGI to make robot Brainiac look awesome on screen, I don't see why shouldn't do it.

They should use CGI when necessairy. In other words, Brainiac should not be CGI as much as possible. I want Superman to be fighting something real, not a cartoon.

People on this board want a villain that can present a phsyical threat in the next film, they want they want some action, that's what was missing in SR.

I didn't say there shouldn't be action. I said that Brainiac doesn't have to physically trade blows with Superman. He never has. He uses TK and energy blasts to knock him around.

I don't want Brainiac to be just another bald evil genius, Lex already has that angle covered.

That's not what I said at all.

If Brainiac just has mental powers what's to stop Supes from going at super speed and knocking him out before he can think?

What does that even mean?

People want a big super villain brawl in the next film, not another bald evil genius.

That's not what I said. I said Brainiac shouldn't be physically trading blows with Superman, as that is something Brainiac has never done. He should still fight Superman.

Robot Brainiac has been able to present a phsyical threat to Superman, look at Brainiac 13 and STAS Brainiac.

Neither of who,e ever actually traded blows with Superman. They blasted him with energy and sent robotic drones after him.

In SR we already had a villain who was just an evil genius, in the sequel why not have a villain who is both a thinker and a fighter?

Okay, you obviously haven't actually paid atention to half of what I've said here.

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Yes, they are logical and emotional. :cwink:

All kidding asside, the people of Colu are not unemotional. They're just arrogant.

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How would making him unemotional make him less like Darkseid? Darkseid is very unemotional. Unless you really piss him off, he's usually quite cold and monotone. Making Brainiac unemotional is turning him into The Borg. And I'd rather see Brainiac actually be Brainiac.

[COLOR="Blue"]Darkseid is only unemotional in a psychopath way, he doesn't happiness or joy, he still feels anger, hatred and sadism. Robot Brainiac is completely unemotional he feels nothing.

There's nothing convoluted about Brainiac's origin. Computerized alien inteligence fuses with human. Gives human super powers. Slowly transforms human body into a techno/organic one. Tries to take over the world. It's pretty simple. And S:TAS Brainiac was basically The Eradicator with Brainiac's name.

Look at bit deeper, first Post crisis Brainiac was not an AI, but a biological being who transfers his mind into other beings. First let's look a Post crisis Brainiac: he was Vril Dox a scientist who has executed for treason on his home planet, before he died he transfered his mind to circus freak on Earth (instead of a powerful alien warlord). He fought Superman, becomaer Lex's minion, didn't do a whole lot. Then he was seperated from the circus freak (making the circus freak kinda pointless). after that he conquered his home planet and engaged in a war against earth. After that failed he he treied to transfere his mind into Doomsday, which failed, so transfered his mind into a robot body, Brainiac 2.5.

Then in 1999 Brainiac 2.5 attempted to upgrade his body and accidently created Brainiac 13, a version of himself based technoloy that will be seen until the far future. So they were version of Brainiac running around, Brainiac 2.5 transfered his mind into Lena Luthor. After Brainiac 13 was defeated he offer Lex advanced tech in exchange for Lena. Brainiac 13 was destoryed when he was sent to the dawn of time at the end of "World at War". Also in Superman #200 (February 2004), Superman traveled into the future and battled Brainiac 12, learning that everything Brainiac 13 had done in the past had been designed to ensure things reached the point where Brainiac 13 would be created. Brainiac 12's defeat before his upgrade apparently reversed the advances Brainiac 13 had made to Metropolis. That's not factoring in Brainiac 8, Brainiac's daugther. How is that not covoluted?


They should use CGI when necessairy. In other words, Brainiac should not be CGI as much as possible. I want Superman to be fighting something real, not a cartoon.

Doc Ock's robot arms looked real and they were a combo of robotics and CGI.

I didn't say there shouldn't be action. I said that Brainiac doesn't have to physically trade blows with Superman. He never has. He uses TK and energy blasts to knock him around.

Late Pre crisis Brainiac, Brainiac 13 and STAS Brainac were able to give Superman a fight, because their robot bodies are so durable they can take a bunch of punches from Superman and not be harmed. I want a Brainiac who can take some punishement and give it out with his super technology.


That's not what I said at all.



What does that even mean?

Superman can move at light speed, which is faster then the speed of thought, Superman can knock him out before he can think and use his powers.

That's not what I said. I said Brainiac shouldn't be physically trading blows with Superman, as that is something Brainiac has never done. He should still fight Superman.

Late Pre crisis Brainiac, Brainiac 13 and STAS Brainac were able to give Superman a fight, because their robot bodies are so durable they can take a bunch of punches from Superman and not be harmed. I want a Brainiac who can take some punishement and give it out with his super technology. Humanoid Brainiac is not nearly as durable as robot Brainiac.

Neither of who,e ever actually traded blows with Superman. They blasted him with energy and sent robotic drones after him.



Okay, you obviously haven't actually paid atention to half of what I've said here.

Yes I have.

[The Question]

Darkseid is only unemotional in a psychopath way, he doesn't happiness or joy, he still feels anger, hatred and sadism. Robot Brainiac is completely unemotional he feels nothing.

Okay, but here's the thing: That ain't Brainiac. Brainiac is quite emotional and has a rather big flair for the dramatic. He's like what a retired Shakesperian actor would be like if he became a super villain.

Look at bit deeper, first Post crisis Brainiac was not an AI, but a biological being who transfers his mind into other beings. First let's look a Post crisis Brainiac: he was Vril Dox a scientist who has executed for treason on his home planet, before he died he transfered his mind to circus freak on Earth (instead of a powerful alien warlord). He fought Superman, becomaer Lex's minion, didn't do a whole lot. Then he was seperated from the circus freak (making the circus freak kinda pointless). after that he conquered his home planet and engaged in a war against earth. After that failed he he treied to transfere his mind into Doomsday, which failed, so transfered his mind into a robot body, Brainiac 2.5.

It's still not a complicated origin: Alien consciousness fuses with a human, gives human body super powers and makes it techno/organic in nature, and tries to take over the world. At it's core, it's simple. No more complicated than Batman or Superman's origins.

Then in 1999 Brainiac 2.5 attempted to upgrade his body and accidently created Brainiac 13, a version of himself based technoloy that will be seen until the far future. So they were version of Brainiac running around, Brainiac 2.5 transfered his mind into Lena Luthor. After Brainiac 13 was defeated he offer Lex advanced tech in exchange for Lena. Brainiac 13 was destoryed when he was sent to the dawn of time at the end of "World at War". Also in Superman #200 (February 2004), Superman traveled into the future and battled Brainiac 12, learning that everything Brainiac 13 had done in the past had been designed to ensure things reached the point where Brainiac 13 would be created. Brainiac 12's defeat before his upgrade apparently reversed the advances Brainiac 13 had made to Metropolis. That's not factoring in Brainiac 8, Brainiac's daugther. How is that not covoluted?

That's not his origin. That's his entire character history up until now. That's like saying Batman's origin is concoluted and then referencing every in continuity Batman story up until now.

Doc Ock's robot arms looked real and they were a combo of robotics and CGI.

Because Doc Ock's arms, at a distance, couldn't be pulled off with CGI. Brainiac, robotic or not, can be pulled off without CGI for the most part.

Late Pre crisis Brainiac, Brainiac 13 and STAS Brainac were able to give Superman a fight, because their robot bodies are so durable they can take a bunch of punches from Superman and not be harmed. I want a Brainiac who can take some punishement and give it out with his super technology.

In none of those cases did Brainiac ever engage Superman in hand to hand combat. You don't need a physical trading of blows to have action. Brainiac has always used energy based atacks and defenses agains Superman.

Superman can move at light speed, which is faster then the speed of thought, Superman can knock him out before he can think and use his powers.

Obviously, he can't, because that's not what happens. Superman hasn't been able to move at the speed of light in a while.

Late Pre crisis Brainiac, Brainiac 13 and STAS Brainac were able to give Superman a fight, because their robot bodies are so durable they can take a bunch of punches from Superman and not be harmed. I want a Brainiac who can take some punishement and give it out with his super technology. Humanoid Brainiac is not nearly as durable as robot Brainiac.

Why? Why can't his body be altered to be super durable? And more to the point: Why do you want to turn Brainiac into something he's not? Brainiac doesn't engage in direct hand to hand combat. Brainiac only had a solely robotic body for a few short years in the 80s, and hasn't since. Brainiac is not from Krypton. And Brainiac has emotions. You don't want Brainiac. You want The Eradicator.

[The Overlord]

Okay, but here's the thing: That ain't Brainiac. Brainiac is quite emotional and has a rather big flair for the dramatic. He's like what a retired Shakesperian actor would be like if he became a super villain.

It is Brainiac, Pre crisis Brainiac was an emotionless robot. The thing you don't get is there so many versions of Brainiac that you can't say for sure what he is supposed to be, there is a lot of wiggle room.


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[COLOR=#000000]It's still not a complicated origin: Alien consciousness fuses with a human, gives human body super powers and makes it techno/organic in nature, and tries to take over the world. At it's core, it's simple. No more complicated than Batman or Superman's origins.

Its stupid though, Brainiac takes over a circus freak instead of alien warlord? Pre crisis Brainiac was far better character than Post crisis Brainiac.



That's not his origin. That's his entire character history up until now. That's like saying Batman's origin is concoluted and then referencing every in continuity Batman story up until now.

Batman at least stayed in the same body and didn't get involved in time travel. Brainiac is the most convoluted character outside of the X universe.

Because Doc Ock's arms, at a distance, couldn't be pulled off with CGI. Brainiac, robotic or not, can be pulled off without CGI for the most part.

Whatever, as long as he's a robot that looks awesome on screen, I will be happy.

In none of those cases did Brainiac ever engage Superman in hand to hand combat. You don't need a physical trading of blows to have action. Brainiac has always used energy based atacks and defenses agains Superman.

I know, about robot brainiac is far more durable than humanoid Brainiac and thus could give Superman a way better fight, unlike humanoid Brainiac who couldn't take one hit from Superman.

Obviously, he can't, because that's not what happens. Superman hasn't been able to move at the speed of light in a while.

Incorrect, Superman moves at near light speeds in the comics to this day, he is just given plot induced stupidity to prevent him speed blitzing an enemy and ending the comic in one panel. Besides Superman was clocked at near light speeds in SR.

Why? Why can't his body be altered to be super durable? And more to the point: Why do you want to turn Brainiac into something he's not? Brainiac doesn't engage in direct hand to hand combat. Brainiac only had a solely robotic body for a few short years in the 80s, and hasn't since. Brainiac is not from Krypton. And Brainiac has emotions. You don't want Brainiac. You want The Eradicator.

Incorrect: Pre crisis Brainiac, Brainiac 13 and STAS Brainiac are similar to what I described. Pre crisis Brainiac was always an emotionless robot, he was merely disguised as humanoid for most of his career, the late Pre crisis Brainiac was his true form. Plus Brainiac 13 was almost completely a robot. Plus in all media depictions of Brainiac, he is a robot (Super Friends, STAS, JLU, Smallville). Face it Robot Brainiac is the most popular incarnation of the character and the one most people are familar with.

[darthlaney]

I would like to see Brainiac as an armoured humaniod. Not a robot or the green man, but green metallic armour, with the symbol on his forehead. Think of the ZOD armour in recent comics, but not so medievil, more Iron-man.

I'm not a fan of any of his incarnations in the comics and animated series. In fact I would prefer another villian, but as the discussion surrounds Brainiac at present - I'll consider anything.

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It is Brainiac, Pre crisis Brainiac was an emotionless robot. The thing you don't get is there so many versions of Brainiac that you can't say for sure what he is supposed to be, there is a lot of wiggle room.

Pre-Crisis Brainiac wasn't a robot. He was from Colu, just like Post Crisis Brainiac. He was techno/organic in nature, but he wasn't a robot. And he wasn't emotionless. Simply arrogant and a douchebag.

Its stupid though, Brainiac takes over a circus freak instead of alien warlord? Pre crisis Brainiac was far better character than Post crisis Brainiac.

It's not stupid. He took over a carnival mystic because he had latient psychic powers and could be easily manipulated. And he eventually became a major threat anyway, so what's the big deal?

Batman at least stayed in the same body and didn't get involved in time travel. Brainiac is the most convoluted character outside of the X universe.

But that doesn't make his origin convoluted. Since a film would simply be going with his origin story, it wouldn't be complicated at all.

I know, about robot brainiac is far more durable than humanoid Brainiac and thus could give Superman a way better fight, unlike humanoid Brainiac who couldn't take one hit from Superman.

1) As I have said many many times, that is not how Brainiac fights. Brainiac uses energy based atacks. He pummels Superman with TK. He blasts him with energy beams. He deflectsd his blows with TK force feilds.

Incorrect, Superman moves at near light speeds in the comics to this day, he is just given plot induced stupidity to prevent him speed blitzing an enemy and ending the comic in one panel. Besides Superman was clocked at near light speeds in SR.


He moves at near light speeds. He doesn't move at the speed of light. There's a difference.

Incorrect: Pre crisis Brainiac, Brainiac 13 and STAS Brainiac are similar to what I described. Pre crisis Brainiac was always an emotionless robot, he was merely disguised as humanoid for most of his career, the late Pre crisis Brainiac was his true form.

No, Brainiac was an organic being who made himself into a techno/organic being, and later a completely robotic being for a very short period.

Plus Brainiac 13 was almost completely a robot.

Yes. But that was Brainiac many centuries in the future after he'd made several upgrades.

Plus in all media depictions of Brainiac, he is a robot (Super Friends, STAS, JLU, Smallville). Face it Robot Brainiac is the most popular incarnation of the character and the one most people are familar with.

Okay, here's the thing: The cartoons are not the comics. I want the movies to be based on the comics, not the cartoons. So, instead of completely changing Brainiac, why not use the character you'e actually describing: The Eradicator. The Eradicator is:

1) Completely robotic in nature.

2) From Krypton.

3) Completely lack emotions.

4) Engages in hand to hand combat with Superman.

[Lightning54SC]

I would like to see Brainiac as an armoured humaniod. Not a robot or the green man, but green metallic armour, with the symbol on his forehead. Think of the ZOD armour in recent comics, but not so medievil, more Iron-man.

I'm not a fan of any of his incarnations in the comics and animated series. In fact I would prefer another villian, but as the discussion surrounds Brainiac at present - I'll consider anything.

not a bad idea... id liek to see a skull like face mask though with the symbol on his forehead thats all i ask of

[GreenKToo]

I could go for that..:up:I would like to see Brainiac as an armoured humaniod. Not a robot or the green man, but green metallic armour, with the symbol on his forehead. Think of the ZOD armour in recent comics, but not so medievil, more Iron-man.

I'm not a fan of any of his incarnations in the comics and animated series. In fact I would prefer another villian, but as the discussion surrounds Brainiac at present - I'll consider anything.

[The Overlord]

[/COLOR][/COLOR]

[COLOR=#000000]Pre-Crisis Brainiac wasn't a robot. He was from Colu, just like Post Crisis Brainiac. He was techno/organic in nature, but he wasn't a robot. And he wasn't emotionless. Simply arrogant and a douchebag.

Now you don't know your Brainiac history, take a lookat this article: http://www.monitorduty.com/mdarchives/2005/11/kistlers_profil_1.shtml Take a look at Pre crisis brainiac's origin in particular:

Luthor’s mind-scanner let him see the ancient past of the planet Colu. The people of Colu were quite intelligent scientists and created these big honking super-computers to help them run their planet. Years later, the super-computers decided they were gonna take over and became the computer tyrants. They easily overpowered the Coluans, who all had “poor sixth-level minds”, as opposed to the super-computers who had tenth-level minds.

After a while, they decided to extend their rule. To aid in them this, they created a living computer like them in humanoid form who would act as their spy. So that none would realize his connection to the computer-tyrants, the spy would look like just a green-skinned Coluan. Sensory nerves on his head were exposed, so the tyrants added a lattice to the nerves to make it look as if he just had a head ornament. To complete the creation of this spy, they took another Coluan and used his brain-wave patterns as part of the spy’s programming, allowing him to understand and mimic human emotions (this also killed the other Coluan in the process).

Finally, the spy was completed. The computer-tyrants said “Humans have names, so your name will be … BRAINIAC!”

And on the same panel, there was a footnote that read “Brainiac is also a trademark registered by Berkeley Enterprises, Inc., manufacturers of the famous Brainiac Computer Kit.” Hehehe. Oh, legal drama.

So Luthor, and readers, were surprised that Brainiac was not actually an alien but a sentient android. But of course, astute readers were immediately thinking “Wait! Brainiac 5 is his descendant! How can a robot have a descendant?!”

Well, the writers were right on it and so a mere two panels later we learned how this was possible. The computer-tyrants went on, saying, “To enhance your human disguise, you’ll adopt a SON!” They then brought out a young Coluan boy named Vril Dox and said, “This boy is now officially named Brainiac II … his name is indelibly marked on his palm.”

So Pre crisis Brainiac was indeed a robot, so a robot version of the chartacter is entirely legitimate.


It's not stupid. He took over a carnival mystic because he had latient psychic powers and could be easily manipulated. And he eventually became a major threat anyway, so what's the big deal?

And he didn't take the mind of a powerful alien warlord with vast mental abilities, because....? Besides Milton Fine Brainiac accomplished nothing except becoming Lex's stooge, Brainiac was only a threat after he was seperated from Milton Fine.

But that doesn't make his origin convoluted. Since a film would simply be going with his origin story, it wouldn't be complicated at all.



1) As I have said many many times, that is not how Brainiac fights. Brainiac uses energy based atacks. He pummels Superman with TK. He blasts him with energy beams. He deflectsd his blows with TK force feilds.

That's how Pre crisis Brainiac and Brainiac 13 fought.

He moves at near light speeds. He doesn't move at the speed of light. There's a difference.

Superman would still have faster then brainiac could think at near light speeds.


No, Brainiac was an organic being who made himself into a techno/organic being, and later a completely robotic being for a very short period.

Not Pre crisis Brainiac, as I have shown, was revealed to be a robot from almost the begining.

Yes. But that was Brainiac many centuries in the future after he'd made several upgrades.

He is still a version of the character. Besides in the film they could use the Brainiac 13 design and model, without going into the whole time travel storyline, because Brainiac doesn't exist in the films yet, they can pick and choose which version to use.

Okay, here's the thing: The cartoons are not the comics. I want the movies to be based on the comics, not the cartoons. So, instead of completely changing Brainiac, why not use the character you'e actually describing: The Eradicator. The Eradicator is:

1) Completely robotic in nature.

2) From Krypton.

3) Completely lack emotions.

4) Engages in hand to hand combat with Superman.

Pre crisis Brainiac was completely robotic in nature, engaged in hand to hand combat and had no emotions, the only thing that isn't on your lis is him being from Krypton, which I can live without, but I bet the film makers will want a menace from Krypton. Besides what yo want is irrelevant compared to the fact that most people who think of Brainiac more familar with the robot Brainiac seen on various media over the years, than anything else about him, so the film amkers will cater to that. If they use brainiac in the film in all likelyhood they will use robot Brainiac, your opinion won't change that.

Also Mr. Freeze was considered a lame character until BTAs created a tragic version of mr. Freeze, later the comics adopted BTAS Mr. Freeze's tragic backstory. Now are saying comics Mr. Freeze was a better character then BTAS Mr. Freeze and that it was wrong of DC to give comics Mr. Freeze the same tragic background?

[The Question]

Now you don't know your Brainiac history, take a lookat this article: http://www.monitorduty.com/mdarchive...profil_1.shtml (http://www.monitorduty.com/mdarchives/2005/11/kistlers_profil_1.shtml) Take a look at Pre crisis brainiac's origin in particular:

Luthor’s mind-scanner let him see the ancient past of the planet Colu. The people of Colu were quite intelligent scientists and created these big honking super-computers to help them run their planet. Years later, the super-computers decided they were gonna take over and became the computer tyrants. They easily overpowered the Coluans, who all had “poor sixth-level minds”, as opposed to the super-computers who had tenth-level minds.

After a while, they decided to extend their rule. To aid in them this, they created a living computer like them in humanoid form who would act as their spy. So that none would realize his connection to the computer-tyrants, the spy would look like just a green-skinned Coluan. Sensory nerves on his head were exposed, so the tyrants added a lattice to the nerves to make it look as if he just had a head ornament. To complete the creation of this spy, they took another Coluan and used his brain-wave patterns as part of the spy’s programming, allowing him to understand and mimic human emotions (this also killed the other Coluan in the process).

Finally, the spy was completed. The computer-tyrants said “Humans have names, so your name will be … BRAINIAC!”

And on the same panel, there was a footnote that read “Brainiac is also a trademark registered by Berkeley Enterprises, Inc., manufacturers of the famous Brainiac Computer Kit.” Hehehe. Oh, legal drama.

So Luthor, and readers, were surprised that Brainiac was not actually an alien but a sentient android. But of course, astute readers were immediately thinking “Wait! Brainiac 5 is his descendant! How can a robot have a descendant?!”

Well, the writers were right on it and so a mere two panels later we learned how this was possible. The computer-tyrants went on, saying, “To enhance your human disguise, you’ll adopt a SON!” They then brought out a young Coluan boy named Vril Dox and said, “This boy is now officially named Brainiac II … his name is indelibly marked on his palm.”

So Pre crisis Brainiac was indeed a robot, so a robot version of the chartacter is entirely legitimate.

He was artificial. He wasn't a robot. His body was techno/organic in nature.

And he didn't take the mind of a powerful alien warlord with vast mental abilities, because....?


Maybe because he couldn't find one. Or maybe because he happened upon Earth first. It's not a huge deal.

Besides Milton Fine Brainiac accomplished nothing except becoming Lex's stooge, Brainiac was only a threat after he was seperated from Milton Fine.


He didn't seperate from Fine. He altered Fine's body to be more artificial in nature.

That's how Pre crisis Brainiac and Brainiac 13 fought.


That is not how Pre-Crisis Brainiac fought. Brainiac used force feilds and energy atacks against Superman.

Superman would still have faster then brainiac could think at near light speeds.


If that's true, then a purely physical Brainiac would be useless against Superman because he'd be unable to react in time. However, since he can react in time and he does use energy based atacks in the comics, then there's nothing illogical about it happening in the film.

Not Pre crisis Brainiac, as I have shown, was revealed to be a robot from almost the begining.


His origional form was still techno/organic in nature.

He is still a version of the character.


But he's not a version of the character you'd have in an origin film. That would be like making the Superman film about Superman Prime.

Besides in the film they could use the Brainiac 13 design and model, without going into the whole time travel storyline, because Brainiac doesn't exist in the films yet, they can pick and choose which version to use.


You still shouldn't choose a version of the character that isn't meant to exist in the present of the current continuity.


Pre crisis Brainiac was completely robotic in nature,

Techno/organic.

engaged in hand to hand combat

No, he did not.

and had no emotions,

He did have emotions.

the only thing that isn't on your lis is him being from Krypton, which I can live without, but I bet the film makers will want a menace from Krypton.

Then they're not using Brainiac. They're using The Eradicator.

Besides what yo want is irrelevant compared to the fact that most people who think of Brainiac more familar with the robot Brainiac seen on various media over the years, than anything else about him, so the film amkers will cater to that. If they use brainiac in the film in all likelyhood they will use robot Brainiac, your opinion won't change that.

Okay. Here's the deal: I don't give a crap about what other people want. This is based solely on opinion. I care about what I want. And what I want is for Brainiac to be Brainiac. There is a character exactly like how you describes. His name is The Eradicator. He is an emotionless, completely inorganic entity from Krypton who engages in close quarters, hand to hand combat with Superman. Instead of turning Brainiac into The Eradicator, use The Eradicator.

Also Mr. Freeze was considered a lame character until BTAs created a tragic version of mr. Freeze, later the comics adopted BTAS Mr. Freeze's tragic backstory. Now are saying comics Mr. Freeze was a better character then BTAS Mr. Freeze and that it was wrong of DC to give comics Mr. Freeze the same tragic background?

They didn't fundamentally change Freeze's character. They gave him a backstory, which he lacked in any real regard for several years. What your asking is to turn Brainiac into a completely different and already existing character. The Eradicator. Instead of using The Eradicator and giving him Brainiac's name, why not just use The Eradicator?

[batlovescatDC]

Exactly... a bigger, older, darker, scarier version of the way he is on Legion of Heroes (cartoon on WB)... and without the blonde hair.

[GoldGoblin]

robot

[Jasomius]

I think Rutger Hauer should play Braniac.

[Steelsheen]

Also, this is the look I was thinking of for Brainiac:


http://www.epicheroes.com/shop/images/comicheroes/dc_direct_ross_series5_brainiac.jpg

Simple yet functional.


TQ, your version of Brainiac will work well if he merged with Luthor.

i'm partial to the TAS version of Brainiac as well (the android from Krypton), but the "Luthorniac" in JLU won me over hands down. that's the way Brainiac should go. :up:

[The Question]

TQ, your version of Brainiac will work well if he merged with Luthor.

i'm partial to the TAS version of Brainiac as well (the android from Krypton), but the "Luthorniac" in JLU won me over hands down. that's the way Brainiac should go. :up:


I wouldn't have him merg with Luthor in the first film. Maybe a later sequel.

Anyway, just so everyone knows, here's how I envisioned Brainiac's character in the film. It's sort of a compromise between Pre-Crisis and Post-Crisis:

On the planet Colu, many many centuries ago, a scientist named Vril Dox proposed a plan to bring peace and order to the people of Colu: Remove all free will. People would still be allowed to make small descisions, but all major ones would be decided for them. Sort of in between the world of Demolition Man and The Borg. Since Colu was still rebuilding in the wake of a particularly nastly civil war, the government of Colu accepted Vril's plan. Very strict, life controlling laws were put into place, and everly Coluian was given cybernetic implants in theuir brains that would help to keep them in line. To insure that Colu would be protected from outside forces, deep space probes were sent out to do to other worlds what was doen to Colu.

Eventually, one such probe sensed the activity of Kryptonian terra-forming technology on Earth. Seeing the benefits of using such technology, it made it's way to Earth. It crashed somewhere in Arkansas, and found it's way to a small carnival. There' it saw Milton Fine, a stage magician for the carnival and very low level psionic metahuman, working under the stage name "Brainiac." The probe latched onto fine, killing him, and taking control of his body. It began the process of making Fine's body techno/organic in nature, and altering it's DNA to be more akin to that of a Coluian. It also gratly amplified Fine's meager psychic abilities to vast levels, enabling it to move imense weights with telekinesis, dominate and manipulate the minds of others, generate powerful blasts of energy, and create a nigh-indestructible TK forece feild around himself. The probe then takes Fine's stage name, Brainiac, as it's own name.

In terms of personality, he'd be the exact opposite of the S:TAS Bariniac. He'd have a very sarcastic sense of humor, a major flair for the dramatic, and a fascination with human culture.

[TheComicbookKid]

Avery Brooks should play Brainiac. To save money, Brainiac starts out as a robot,but to gain Supes trust, he makes a humanoid body.

[SuperDaniel]

Defnitely a robot...Someone once made a skectch of Brainiac using the crystals of krypton.. That looked cool!

[Super Kal]

How would that be pulled off?
a mix of the a humanoid and a robot, and the ability to manifest disguises so that he can't be reconized when he does on ground surveillance of a species before he takes their knowledge and destroys them.

[Lightning54SC]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJS9IsFA0xA

[Super Kal]

it was removed by the user... ???

[Lightning54SC]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5nvQzeHEa4

sorry

[Jochimus]

I think Brainiac oughta look like his S:TAS counterpart initially, then when he and Supes have their climactic smackdown Big Blue begins ripping away Brainiac's outer skin to reveal an 1980s-era Super Powers-styled 'endoskeleton'.

Something like this (top row, third from left): http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/36137713/?qo=94&q=by%3Ajochimus&qh=sort%3Atime+-in%3Ascraps

Oh, and I wouldn't be averse to his ship being involved in this somewhere. Ideally, that would involve adapting the S:TAS origin - fashioning him as a Coluan artificial intelligence that 'took root' on various planets over the ages, at one point settling on Krypton - and as a result of the latter, looking a little something like this: http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/39570292/?qo=51&q=by%3Ajochimus&qh=sort%3Atime+-in%3Ascraps

[Super Kal]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5nvQzeHEa4

sorry
I still think that the ending text should say "and his only son" instead of "and the last son" to give it a slight Donneresque to it, but overall, great teaser.

[Tony Stark]

I like the TAS/JL/JLU version.

I'll second that, it's like a combination of the green alien and the robot version.

[MJB]

I think it'll be better to use the animated series version that's from Krypton. The green alien version that's from Colu or whatever his homeplanet name is in my opinion going off to the point where to much explaining needs to be done, and I certainly don't want a new orgin like a human in some accident is turned into brainiac(this would be so typical of the studio). The animated series version is easier in my opinion to adapt to the big screen. I would rather have the alien version because it's not a robot and you can connect with him more, but the robotic version is fine.

[Dark Knight]

something similiar to the animated version. But it should be a mix between the two.

[Dark Knight]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5nvQzeHEa4

sorry



Nice! :up:

[dark_b]

i hope that next year we can open the thread: how will brainiac look?

[Compi716]

I think Brainiac oughta look like his S:TAS counterpart initially, then when he and Supes have their climactic smackdown Big Blue begins ripping away Brainiac's outer skin to reveal an 1980s-era Super Powers-styled 'endoskeleton'.

Something like this (top row, third from left): http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/36137713/?qo=94&q=by%3Ajochimus&qh=sort%3Atime+-in%3Ascraps

Oh, and I wouldn't be averse to his ship being involved in this somewhere. Ideally, that would involve adapting the S:TAS origin - fashioning him as a Coluan artificial intelligence that 'took root' on various planets over the ages, at one point settling on Krypton - and as a result of the latter, looking a little something like this: http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/39570292/?qo=51&q=by%3Ajochimus&qh=sort%3Atime+-in%3Ascraps
Agreed.

Let's just hope that Singer and Co. actually use TAS as a reference point, rather than COMPLETELY ignoring it.

[WhatsHisFace]

He should look like a nanotechnologically engineered human.

[storyteller]

Brainiac should change throughout the film. Go from organic to total robot.

[NinjaTurtleFan]

Maybe Metallo. Just someone other than Lex.

[MJB]

It'll probably be brainiac, but then again knowing singer, I'm expecting Superman light again.

[Mentok]

I wanted metallo but since New Krypton plays a role with the next Villian I seriously doubt it will be him.

[Heretic]

As far as New Krypton goes, one thing immediately sprang to mind
Rocks + crystals + supermans blood = Doomsday????

The problem being that Supes already kind of went through the drama Doomsday would represent in Returns.

[WhatsHisFace]

No Superman movie ever really had a comic-booky villain. He was either fighting Lex, Zod, the computer robot or Nuclear man. Never a true comic villain.

I think he should fight Brainiac. It was totally set up for in Superman Returns. I think originally it was Braniac who sent the signal to Superman and then when he went to discover the remains in his ship, Brainiac latched on and went back to earth with Superman.

[storyteller]

Yawn, dude this is like the 50th topic on this.

[markaudette]

And for the 50th time, I'm going to add my voice to the growing number of people who want to see Darkseid over any other villain.

And Doomsday is a weapon kept secret on Apokolips.

That's how I see it.

[The Overlord]

And for the 50th time, I'm going to add my voice to the growing number of people who want to see Darkseid over any other villain.

And Doomsday is a weapon kept secret on Apokolips.

That's how I see it.

Darksied's too convoluted to work as a sequel villain, it would be a 5 hour long movie if they tried to fit DS' back story in and would cost way too much money to have DS and his armies before on screen, that's why brainiac is a better choice, plus he has more hsitory with Superman.

[Eros]

not to mention Brainiac is actulaly a main superman villian, while Darksied is a universal threat.

[markaudette]

The truth is that I would really like to see all the villans you all have suggested, sans Zod. Braniac, Metallo, Mongul.

But when you come to think of it, doesn't all these characters have a good deal of background that needs to be set up in order for the next movie's less informed auiences to fully understand? We've not had a Superman movie with any of those characters. So ther's going to be a good deal of exposition that sets up these characters - whichever one is chosen. So is it that Darkseid has the MOST back history to set up? Is that what makes his appearance hinder on?

I wish that Brian had given a short mention of Braniac, Metallo, Darkseid or Mongul in SR. It would have been nice to have even the smallest mention of them so that it would have just gotten their names into the Superman movie universe. Instead, I think Bryan had tunnel vision when it came to Jason and New Krypton. Did anything else matter?

I'd just like to see Darkseid as the next villan. With Doomsday as his (uncontrollable) lackey. But I would still be very pleased with Braniac or Metallo.

And last, talking about setting things up, I wish that Bryan would set up the Batman/Superman movie in his next Superman film.

[NinjaTurtleFan]

The truth is that I would really like to see all the villans you all have suggested, sans Zod. Braniac, Metallo, Mongul.

But when you come to think of it, doesn't all these characters have a good deal of background that needs to be set up in order for the next movie's less informed auiences to fully understand? We've not had a Superman movie with any of those characters. So ther's going to be a good deal of exposition that sets up these characters - whichever one is chosen. So is it that Darkseid has the MOST back history to set up? Is that what makes his appearance hinder on?

I wish that Brian had given a short mention of Braniac, Metallo, Darkseid or Mongul in SR. It would have been nice to have even the smallest mention of them so that it would have just gotten their names into the Superman movie universe. Instead, I think Bryan had tunnel vision when it came to Jason and New Krypton. Did anything else matter?

I'd just like to see Darkseid as the next villan. With Doomsday as his (uncontrollable) lackey. But I would still be very pleased with Braniac or Metallo.

And last, talking about setting things up, I wish that Bryan would set up the Batman/Superman movie in his next Superman film.

Well, this is my vision for the sequel...

Make it a dark, "Empire Strikes Back"-like movie.

Darkseid comes to attack Earth. The military are powerless against him. Superman is powerless against him too and in the end sacrifices himself--- "Death of Superman" leaving it a cliffhanger with Lois crying and divorcing Jason, Perry resigning from the Planet, and Jimmy Olsen losing hope that a Savior or Messiah is out there for the people of Metropolis.

Then, the next movie Superman is resurrected and comes back to find his city in ruins, Darkseid's forces have taken over most of the globe, and Lex Luthor power-hungry as ever has joined forces with Darkseid even if he is a humanoid whom Darkseid despises.

Thus, an epic battle ensues, Superman saves the day, and unleashes powers he's never had before, and Metropolis and the world are restored.

[hippie_hunter]

Well, this is my vision for the sequel...

Make it a dark, "Empire Strikes Back"-like movie.

Darkseid comes to attack Earth. The military are powerless against him. Superman is powerless against him too and in the end sacrifices himself--- "Death of Superman" leaving it a cliffhanger with Lois crying and divorcing Jason, Perry resigning from the Planet, and Jimmy Olsen losing hope that a Savior or Messiah is out there for the people of Metropolis.

Then, the next movie Superman is resurrected and comes back to find his city in ruins, Darkseid's forces have taken over most of the globe, and Lex Luthor power-hungry as ever has joined forces with Darkseid even if he is a humanoid whom Darkseid despises.

Thus, an epic battle ensues, Superman saves the day, and unleashes powers he's never had before, and Metropolis and the world are restored.

And people say that Superman Returns sucked :o

[hippie_hunter]

Darksied's too convoluted to work as a sequel villain, it would be a 5 hour long movie if they tried to fit DS' back story in and would cost way too much money to have DS and his armies before on screen, that's why brainiac is a better choice, plus he has more hsitory with Superman.

Superman the Animated Series was able to do it within an hour with minimal set up.

[Freddy_Krueger]

Superman the Animated Series was able to do it within an hour with minimal set up.

What works in a cartoon won't necessarily work in a feature film.

[FlavWhite]

Doomsday in the movie would be too intense for young kids(not that that matters nowadays) and Brainiac would leave some viewers puzzled. So screw all the all powerful, deadly villians and put Superman against Batman to really make people like me waste my light bill money and go see the movie!

[hippie_hunter]

What works in a cartoon won't necessarily work in a feature film.

What was applied to Superman the Animated Series can work in a feature film. A quick set up between the warring New Gods, Darkseid's desire for the Anti-Life Equation, and just make Darkseid more powerful than he was in the animated version.

[NinjaTurtleFan]

And people say that Superman Returns sucked :o

Meh...least we can agree that hippies do suck.:woot:

[aroundthefur33]

i saw give lex another break...and bring in someone else, like the Brain INTERACTIVE Construct, that i would say could be supes #2 villian...or darkseid...but i think darkseid would be kinda hard todo...parasite would kinda cool but i see him more as a secondary villian, zod is been done...

BrainIAC!!!! thats who i would love to see

[aroundthefur33]

metallo is kinda funny, and i dont mean funny haha

[MandomanForever]

What they need to do is set up that Lex makes a public appearance and has become all corporate i.e. LexCorp. Clark is adjusting being back on earth, but has a conflict with Lois/Jason/Richard thing. No one knows how Luthor got off the island (including audience), but he's rich and has become Metropolis business poster boy. He has a new crew, no Kitty, he has a body guard named Joh Corben-Metallo. We see Clark and Lois trying to uncover how Lex who has new technology (remisniscent of Krypton at his disposal) later we find there is an approaching Krypton invading force which has been picked up by satellites and Superman is outed as a scout and people soon begin to distrust him as they believe he left to bring back his "forces" (this is taking a page from Birthright) so this gives a superman who has a giant conflict--people hate him and see Lex as their savior--He promises to have the military stop them. There is also a hidden puppet master who has set up Lex with all the technology...Brainiac (who latched himself on Supes spaceship when he went back to Krypton) and is charge in creating Metallo. Metallo dresses in faux Kryptonian military garb lay siege to Metropolis. Superman has to save day, we have Jason helping people, nothing to obvious like flying or anything, but maybe we have him hold up a falling ceiling. So we get action. Supes fights Metallo, beats him then Brainiac who reveals himself and they fight supes wins. But knowing Brainiac he comes back for the third picture. We end the film on a semi cliffhanger--half of world distrusts Superman, Lex gets arrested for creating the fraud, but beats the system and Supes is left pondering if Brainiac was indeed the puppt master--we then go to space and find another Brainiac dupilicate talking to his "master" who is Zod. Sorry for typos was writing it quick.

[The Overlord]

What was applied to Superman the Animated Series can work in a feature film. A quick set up between the warring New Gods, Darkseid's desire for the Anti-Life Equation, and just make Darkseid more powerful than he was in the animated version.

That doesn't change the fact that Darkseid and armies appearing on screen would be a huge drain on the budget.

[charl_huntress]

I think they need a smash up villian, a la Doomsday or Darksied, who can go toe-to-toe with Supes. Yet, I wouldn't be opposed to a re-imagining for Brianiac. He has had many guises, so why not? But, Brianiac is still just a computer and I think any sequel needs a full out monster for Supes to fight. He needs to go all out for the sequel because....the action needs to wow from the depressing story I think is about to come.

[The Overlord]

I think they need a smash up villian, a la Doomsday or Darksied, who can go toe-to-toe with Supes. Yet, I wouldn't be opposed to a re-imagining for Brianiac. He has had many guises, so why not? But, Brianiac is still just a computer and I think any sequel needs a full out monster for Supes to fight. He needs to go all out for the sequel because....the action needs to wow from the depressing story I think is about to come.

Just give Brainiac an almost invincible robot body (like he had in late Pre Crisis DC, STAS or Brainiac 13 storylines) with lasers powerful enough to hurt Superman and force fields powerful enough to deflect him, then you will see a real fight.

[The Kid]

The way we talk here, it's as if there never was a new superman movie and we're still waiting for one.

I seriously think it'll just be Zod, Non and Ursa. If not them, I'd like Jason to mutate into bizarro... or... what the hey, I'll take Nuclear Man. He was cooler than people realize.

[charl_huntress]

The way we talk here, it's as if there never was a new superman movie and we're still waiting for one.{/quote]

W are:o

[quote=Wesyeed]I seriously think it'll just be Zod, Non and Ursa. If not them, I'd like Jason to mutate into bizarro... or... what the hey, I'll take Nuclear Man. He was cooler than people realize.

Yeah, but Bizarro....OMG. How bout we get BSinger bringing back the Insect Queen:woot:

[BH/HHH]

Id like to see Brainiac but Lex still has tobe in the movie.

[Jimmy, GL]

Id like to see Brainiac but Lex still has tobe in the movie.

Lex is WAY too overused. He's been in 4 of the 5 movies that have been out so far. He needs a break and frankly I'm tire of his character. We need someone new.

[hurley711]

Well doesn't LEx still have half of the kryptonite piece with Supes blood on it that he stabbed him with? Could that mean Bizzaro?

[FlavWhite]

Well doesn't LEx still have half of the kryptonite piece with Supes blood on it that he stabbed him with? Could that mean Bizzaro?
That's a good damn question, but I think Bizzaro would be a lil' too corny for a Supes sequel. Gimmie Darkseid to give him a challenge or Batman to (like I stated earlier) make me spend my bill money.

[charl_huntress]

My only problem with Darksied is I don't want him to be totally re-imagined. I want him to be a Fourth world god, or whatever he is. Plus, Darksied and Brianiac were all over the cartoons. And Milton Fine made an appearance on Smallville. I'd like to see someone who has never been done before.

My choice has always been Doomsday. He is perfect.

[Showtime]

Doomsday is a brainless alien thug. I definately do not want to see him. I would like to see Brainiac going head to head with Superman and even putting Luthor in his place. Not the watered down Brainiac from Smallville, a version from the comics or dare I say it, the "cartoons".

I think it is inevitable that it will be Brainiac mutating from the New Krypton or the ship Clark buried. "Advanced Alien Technology".

[Axl Van Sixx]

Okay, we all agree that Brainiac is clearly the frontrunner to be the main villain in the next Superman movie. But I've heard precious little discussion of exactly which version people expect to see. Brainiac is Superman's second greatest nemesis, but his characterization has been highly inconsistent since his first comic book appearance.

Assuming Brainiac is in the next movie, it could be the Brainiac from the original 50s and 60s comics...the bald green-skinned guy in pink hot pants shrinking cities into bottles with his pet monkey Koko. I really don't see them using this version...it's way too campy for a modern audience, and it definitely wouldn't fit Singer's vision, which tends to strive for some kind of basis in reality.

There's the Post-Crisis Brainiac with the whole Milton Fine backstory, but I don't see them using this either. They might somehow incorporate the name Milton Fine, a la Smallville, but they probably won't use the whole carnival origin story.

In my opinion, they'll probably utilize an approach along the lines of S:TAS and Smallville - having Brainiac as an android intelligence from Krypton obsessed with gathering new knowledge. Personally, I think this is the most straightforward, general incarnation of the character, as well as the one that's been most popular in recent years. Giving Brainiac roots on Krypton will also link him personally with Superman, maybe having something to do with the New Krypton island.

[The Question]

A mix of Pre Crisis and Post Crisis. He's an alien artificial inteligence working on behalf of a computerized society that has taken the body of a human psychic and is atempting to "pacify" the Earth. None of this Brainiac from Krypton bull****. Brainiac is not from Kryupton. If you want and evil robot from krypton, use The Eradicator.

[That-Guy]

I personally would love to see the robotic Brainiac from back in the Crisis of Infinite Earths days. That dude was a totally cold-blooded badass.

[Lobo]

I think TAS version would fit Singers style and appeal ot the general audience best, and it was my personal favorite version of Brainiac.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7b/Brainiac(STAS).jpg


And if Bizarro appears, i want him to look like this

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/65/Bizarrobyrne.png

[Motown Marvel]

1. theres already a thread on this.

2. http://www.alexrossart.com/galleries/justice/thumb/justice2_p28_thumb.jpg

3. and he should be played by daniel day lewis.

[Dark Guardian]

Yeah, I really just thought the whole STAS version was well thought up, well rounded. I do NOT however, endorse the new movie they made, Braniac Attacks, because it has very little to do with the original series.

[Brainiac 2009]

He should look machine-like like the TAS version from Krypton (a composite of comics Brainiac and Eradicator), and possess a human body as well.

[MaskedManJRK]

Yeah, I prefer the S:TAS version.

[batlovescatDC]

Perhaps he could be an A.I. from a planet that was an enemy of Krypton's.

Krypton and the other planet were at war, so Jor-El sneaked on the other planet and throws the intelligence out into space. Over the years the intelligence evolves into Brainiac, traveling through tthe galaxies, collecting infromation, and destroying planets. Finally, he reaches the last galaxy and goes to the most highly developed planet in it.... Earth. He begins to collect information from Earth's computers and finds out about Superman. He immediately recognizes Superman as the son of the kryptonian who tried to destroy him. He decides to wreak vengeance upon the last generation by killing the next. And thus the battle begins.

[dark_b]

you cna make a lot of things with brainiac. but first you have to use it.

[Jochimus]

I say mash the various incarnations together: he should be a Coluan AI that basically went from planet to planet collecting their knowledge and then blowing them up, and one of the last planets he was on was Krypton - and then he shows up on Earth and ultimately takes over the body of Milton Fine.

As for his look, S:TAS on the outside, Super Powers on the inside.

[The Question]

I want to know why he has to have some personal connection to Superman? Why can't he just be some alien A.I. who's trying to destroy/take over/remake the world?

[Antonello Blueberry]

The good thing about Brainiac is that there are so many versions of it on comics and the animated series, that Singer can do his own version and nobody would be able to say it's not faithful.
But I know someone on these boards will say it anyway.

[superkong 500]

Well I honestly don't know heck about brainiac but I would say make it visually like the brainiac of TAS. Make him an entity created by the Kryptonians and that maybe he helped them evolve in terms of technology since he was AI. But he started to develop his own ideas and ambitions and Jor-el noticed this and feared that brainiac could eventually turn against Krypton and he pulled the plug so to speak. Somehow destroyed him and buried the remains deep within krypton. But some molecules stayed intact and in some kind of hibernation for lack of a better word.

He could have been inactive given that he didn't have energy to sustain himself so when Krypton was destroyed his remaining particles were fusioned with Kryptonite(somehow) (the piece at the museum that lex stole). Then when supes threw NK to space brainiac woke up. I dont imagine(technicaly why though)

[Eddie Dean]

TAS minus Krypton.

[Robin91939]

I would like them to do the SUPERMAN: THE ANIMATED SERIES' version of the character...that one appeals the most to me, visually and otherwise.

-R

[DarKush]

Another vote for the STAS Brainiac. Though I also enjoyed James Marsters T-1000-like Brainiac on Smallville.

[SuperDaniel]

Brainiac TAS version but the design of the old Superfriends cartoon.

[SuperDaniel]

Brainiac TAS version but the design of the old Superfriends cartoon.

[Lt. Figgnuts]

Well I honestly don't know heck about brainiac but I would say make it visually like the brainiac of TAS. Make him an entity created by the Kryptonians and that maybe he helped them evolve in terms of technology since he was AI. But he started to develop his own ideas and ambitions and Jor-el noticed this and feared that brainiac could eventually turn against Krypton and he pulled the plug so to speak. Somehow destroyed him and buried the remains deep within krypton. But some molecules stayed intact and in some kind of hibernation for lack of a better word.


That's more than just a visual similarity to TAS. :o

[ultimatefan]

Honestly, I think Brainiac is a flexible enough character for you to create an original concept for the movie. He´s an android, there are a hundred ideas of how to portray that. His concept isn´t as specific as, say, a clown is for Joker.

[NotFadeAway]

You could make a whole film based around Superman vs. Braniac if you wanted.....but Im sure Singer will include his version of Lex along with Kitty K.

BTW.....I'd go with a multi-form Braniac, and include the Kryptonian origin, that way Superman gets a much needed personal villian.

[Frodo]

I think TAS version would fit Singers style and appeal ot the general audience best, and it was my personal favorite version of Brainiac.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7b/Brainiac(STAS).jpg


And if Bizarro appears, i want him to look like this

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/65/Bizarrobyrne.png

I agree with the STAS Brainac mixed in with the Milton Fine SV version. I'd cast William Fitchner (Prison Break) as Brainac along with Bizarro .

[Eddie Dean]

William Fitcher would rock as Brainiac. :up:

[Kal-El 8]

I think TAS version would fit Singers style and appeal ot the general audience best, and it was my personal favorite version of Brainiac.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7b/Brainiac(STAS).jpg




Agreed

[The Overlord]

A mix of Pre Crisis and Post Crisis. He's an alien artificial inteligence working on behalf of a computerized society that has taken the body of a human psychic and is atempting to "pacify" the Earth. None of this Brainiac from Krypton bull****. Brainiac is not from Kryupton. If you want and evil robot from krypton, use The Eradicator.

The hate the evil carney thing, that is stupid and lame, the evil carney never added anything usful to the concept of Brainiac, it just made seem silly and he was only threatening after he was seprate from Fine, when he was with Milton Fine. Brainiac was a full robot in the late Pre crisis universe, that is my favorivite version of the character from the comics, he was a far bigger threat to Superman and the world then a green skinned dork who wore nothing but a golf shirt and underwear in public.

You say you want see the Brainiac from the comics, but what you don't realize is there is many versions of Brainiac from the comics, that film amkers do have a lot of options when choosing how they want to adopt Brainiac for the screen. IMO brainiac doesn't have to be from Krypton, I don't really care if he is from Krypton or Colu, but Brainiac should have been the main AI from his planet, not some minion of a more powerful computer, he seems like less of a threat then, just some glorified bus boy. Whether you like or not robot Brainiac is a legitimate version of the character and that's the one I want to see on the silver screen.

[DarkSuperman]

Perhaps, there's something that I'm not seeing in this character. There's been a couple interpretations of him throughout the comics and television series. I'd like some of you to explain to me what makes Brainiac so cool to you and your #1 choice for Big Blue to throw down with in the sequel. Not disrespecting the character or anything, just wanna know his selling points. Is he a super computer, a crazy scientist, a crazy scientist turned into a super computer...what is he really? An definitively what abilities does he have that make him a match for superman?

:supes:

[TheComicbookKid]

Brainiac is smart like Lex, but has the strength of Superman. He can look anyway he likes because he's a robot which hopefully leads to a cool visual for the movie.

[lujho]

I think people are just mainly jumping on Brainiac as something that has not appeared in the movies before and will bring them away from such a Donnervers-y feel and closer to the comics.

The only reason people are jumping on Brainiac so much is that some people have this misguided idea that Darkseid "wouldn't work" for some reason, and that Bizarro is... well Bizarro would need to be a secondary villain anyway, he'd need Lex or Brainiac to create him.

Me, I'd love to eventually see a movie where the villain was fascist/evil dictator Superman, either from an alternate timeline or Dark Future, Justice Lords style. As well as that STAS episode with the other alternate Supes.

[Hugebear]

The only reason people are jumping on Brainiac so much is that some people have this misguided idea that Darkseid "wouldn't work" for some reason, and that Bizarro is... well Bizarro would need to be a secondary villain anyway, he'd need Lex or Brainiac to create him.



lol
A secondary villain? Well that is a "misguided idea" too and he does not need to be created by Lex or Brainiac. Creative writers can find other ways for Bizarro to be created.

[lujho]

lol
A secondary villain? Well that is a "misguided idea" too and he does not need to be created by Lex or Brainiac. Creative writers can find other ways for Bizarro to be created.

Sure, he could be created by someone else. But after that he's just a dumb brute (or normal Superman clone deteriorating into a dumb brute) and that's not the best kind of solo villain. Bizarro would work best when someone else's pulling the strings, someone you can hate. Because Bizarro's actually quite a sympathetic villain, if handled right (as in STAS).

[GarudA]

I want Darkseid, I find him far more interesting and cooler. Brainiac is cool but, I am not a very big fan.

[Hugebear]

Sure, he could be created by someone else. But after that he's just a dumb brute (or normal Superman clone deteriorating into a dumb brute) and that's not the best kind of solo villain. Bizarro would work best when someone else's pulling the strings, someone you can hate. Because Bizarro's actually quite a sympathetic villain, if handled right (as in STAS).

A little dumb, but not too much. His fight with Superman needs to be better than the fight in Superman II and the who ever is pulling the strings could be a secondary villain like Lex in Superman II, making Bizarro angry with Superman.

[Jochimus]

I think people are just mainly jumping on Brainiac as something that has not appeared in the movies before and will bring them away from such a Donnervers-y feel and closer to the comics.

Bingo. I don't mind the Donner touches if there's more of an attempt on Singer's part to veer into comic territory.

[TheComicbookKid]

Wanting Brainiac has nothing to do with Donner. (Singer's a fan of Donner. Let it go!)

Brainiac is just a good villian. Plain and simple. Considering the large amount of time that will be needed to get Lois and Supes together, you'd need a villian that flows with the story and not a second story line. Darkseid requires his own story line. A kryptonian Brainiac plays with the Superman story. The Return to Krypton scene can be expanded with a few extra seconds to show Brainiac was there- Opening credits-Start movie.

[sepharih]

Like several posts on this thread have stated, I want Darkseid as well, but I also think it would be a mistake to use him for the second film in the series. I just think it’s too soon, like if they had done Venom for Spider-man 2, or the Dark Phoenix for X2. I think it would be jumping the gun. Darkseid’s really the kind of villain who you need to set up a lot of foreshadowing for. He’s the villain who you need to hint at and bring up, but hold off on until the series has established its footing. He’d be the perfect villain for part 4, or maybe even 3 if they do it right, but not 2.

Brainiac is definitely the best choice.

[Junfan]

Brainiac is the best choice for a "super" villain that can be used while still keeping the movie at least somewhat based in believable reality.

Darkseid is too much for a live action movie IMO.

Brainiac is a robot (in his current incarnation), something that will work on-screen better than the majority of other known villains, because as someone stated, he can look like whatever they want, human would obviously be the first choice.

The smallville Brainiac concept worked rather well, have him befriend clark than turn against him. It would merge well into the current SR storyline where clark feels isolated, plus they laid the groundwork with the return to krypton scene.

Brainiac is 100x better choice than Zod for a dozen reasons.

[sepharih]

Brainiac is the best choice for a "super" villain that can be used while still keeping the movie at least somewhat based in believable reality.
Personally, I think the idea of trying to firmly ground the film in reality pretty much goes out the window the moment you decide to do a Superman movie. I don’t think you can to do the man of Steel justice otherwise. It’s like trying to do a movie of Hercules grounded in reality, it doesn’t really work. I agree that you have to establish a certain set of laws and rules that your fantasy world is governed by in order for people to actually suspend their disbelief, but in terms of story I think the “realism” factor should be pretty open.

Darkseid is too much for a live action movie IMO.

There’s a lot, I agree, but I do think it could be done. They were able to get the gist of who he was across in a 22 minute episode of Superman: TAS, as well as tell a completely separate story in conjunction with it, so I do think it’s possible to do. As I said though, I do think he should be hinted at and foreshadowed in the films well before he actually appears. If you do Darkseid then you had better go all out and make sure there's no way whatsoever for you to ever top it.

[ironmaidenrules]

the way i always say it

harry potter has weird creatures and magic

WHY? these things exists in their universe

i was appalled when DOOM had no magic in FF
magic exists in the marvel universe
aliens exists in the marvel universe(yea singer...sorry to burst ur bubble but they do)

hey singer, they also exist in the DC universe
whats that? superman is an alien? wowwee! maybe just maybe there are other planets and magic


to keep these things away would be like developing a scientific explanation as to why harry potter can create stuff by speaking craZy speak

[Kebab gud]

i whould love to se Darkseid in the next movie .. boom tubes rock!
in my idea for the next movie.. brainiac hitches a ride with darkseids army in the form of a virus

[November Rain]

Braniac ties into Kyrpton and could also tie into Jor-el which could add to the story

[DarkSuperman]

Hmmmmmmmmm, If they MUST use Braniac I prefer the sentinent Kryptonian A.I. scenario much better, not only does it make him responsible for krypton's demise A la, STAS, but it makes the fight between the villain and the hero more personal. "I destroyed Krypton, Kal-El and now...I've come to do the same to earth." I could see where something like that could work, but unfortunately Singer and his Yes-Men probably wont do him right...

Think about it people...look at his body of work. Singer has no qualms whatsoever about altering characters completely to fit within the scope of his limited imagination. Examples you say? Rogue being a completely different from her comic counterpart her powers aside, he didnt capture her sultry, open, charming southern bell personality the very essence of the character, Same for the non-African strong leader Storm, or the complete lack of personal vendetta between Woverine and Sabretooth in X-Men. To include their history into a film is almost a no-brainer, yet it was absent.

Not to piss off any of you singer lovers, but My point is he's clearly demonstrated that he's all for the dumbing down of complex and emotional characters to fit his "Vision" He hasn't shown me that he is capable of bringing to life Brainiac or any of the other grandiose Villains of the Superman Mythology. I personally love Darkseid, his arrogance and complete utter lack of respect for life is the polar opposite of Superman. Not to mention I'd love to see that JLU fight made into Live Action.

"Super", or otherwise, you are merely a man. And I, am a god" - Darkseid

For the record Darkseid really doesn't need that much explaining, He's an evil dictator whose finally made his way to earth, possibly a result of something stupid done by Lex Luthor. An if needed he could have a personally vendetta against the house of El because Jor-El was responsible for negotiating alliance with New Genesis effectively screwing up his conquest plans. (Just a thouht of the top of my head).

Anyway, making a superb comic film is so simple it hurts my soul that film makers wont just do it right. Comics are like Scripts and Storyboards ALREADY made. How can you screw up when you have a CHEAT SHEET already made? Boggles my mind. :supes:

[ironmaidenrules]

Hmmmmmmmmm, If they MUST use Braniac I prefer the sentinent Kryptonian A.I. scenario much better, not only does it make him responsible for krypton's demise A la, STAS, but it makes the fight between the villain and the hero more personal. "I destroyed Krypton, Kal-El and now...I've come to do the same to earth." I could see where something like that could work, but unfortunately Singer and his Yes-Men probably wont do him right...

Think about it people...look at his body of work. Singer has no qualms whatsoever about altering characters completely to fit within the scope of his limited imagination. Examples you say? Rogue being a completely different from her comic counterpart her powers aside, he didnt capture her sultry, open, charming southern bell personality the very essence of the character, Same for the non-African strong leader Storm, or the complete lack of personal vendetta between Woverine and Sabretooth in X-Men. To include their history into a film is almost a no-brainer, yet it was absent.

Not to piss off any of you singer lovers, but My point is he's clearly demonstrated that he's all for the dumbing down of complex and emotional characters to fit his "Vision" He hasn't shown me that he is capable of bringing to life Brainiac or any of the other grandiose Villains of the Superman Mythology. I personally love Darkseid, his arrogance and complete utter lack of respect for life is the polar opposite of Superman. Not to mention I'd love to see that JLU fight made into Live Action.

"Super", or otherwise, you are merely a man. And I, am a god" - Darkseid

For the record Darkseid really doesn't need that much explaining, He's an evil dictator whose finally made his way to earth, possibly a result of something stupid done by Lex Luthor. An if needed he could have a personally vendetta against the house of El because Jor-El was responsible for negotiating alliance with New Genesis effectively screwing up his conquest plans. (Just a thouht of the top of my head).

Anyway, making a superb comic film is so simple it hurts my soul that film makers wont just do it right. Comics are like Scripts and Storyboards ALREADY made. How can you screw up when you have a CHEAT SHEET already made? Boggles my mind. :supes:

hrmm done by luthor to being darkseid

well since its singer, it must involve real estate

so i assume lex puts an "OPEN HOUSE" sign on EARTH?

[DarkSuperman]

Hahaha, knowing singer, yes, it probably would be that way. I was thinking that an unforseen side effect of something scientific done by Luthor put earth on Darkseids radar.

[thorstone]

I guess some people actually found Superman III palpable-- I was not one of those people.

The easiest explanation of Darkseid's powers is that he is alien (like Superman). Add in all of his monologues about godhood, creation, and destruction-- you don't have to explain his origin because it is self explanatory (as has been said a dozen times already, he's an alien).

If the writer wanted he could tie the character very close to Superman-- he could be revealed in the film to be the one whom supplied Zod with his clone army which attacked Krypton; it could be revealed he is the one who was behind the destruction of Krypton and now he sought to rule Earth or destroy her before she blossomed and could challenge his empire.

There was a part in Arthur C. Clark's novel 3001: The Final Odyssey which creeped me out-- the only proof of existence they had of life outside of their solar system was the footage of a star system far away which went nova; it was proof because it went nova from a planet first.


Darkseid could use the chair of Metron (so politely taken from him of course) and fashioned into his galactic chariot so he could go anywhere in the galaxy.

[TheComicbookKid]

The problem with Darkseid is the second he appears, the final fight has to happen. An entire movie building up to a large fight with no connection between the hero and villian is boring. Lex would have to pull the weight until the end.

Brainiac can at least appear to be good and plotting to destroy Earth throughout the movie. No need for Lex.

[Kebab gud]

thats why my idea is so grate.. you can built up to a huge battle by using something new to superman movies... flashbacks or a nonliner storyline! Hey it worked for batman!

[Hugebear]

DarkSuperman think of it this way. You remember the huge ship in the movie independence Day coming to earth and the panic of the world. A very powerful alien with superior technology that nobody can stop and can cause the destruction like in the movie Independence Day.

Where's Superman? :huh:

[hippie_hunter]

Hmmmmmmmmm, If they MUST use Braniac I prefer the sentinent Kryptonian A.I. scenario much better, not only does it make him responsible for krypton's demise A la, STAS, but it makes the fight between the villain and the hero more personal. "I destroyed Krypton, Kal-El and now...I've come to do the same to earth." I could see where something like that could work, but unfortunately Singer and his Yes-Men probably wont do him right...
I agree that STAS Brainiac is way cooler than regular Brainiac.

Think about it people...look at his body of work. Singer has no qualms whatsoever about altering characters completely to fit within the scope of his limited imagination. Examples you say? Rogue being a completely different from her comic counterpart her powers aside, he didnt capture her sultry, open, charming southern bell personality the very essence of the character, Same for the non-African strong leader Storm, or the complete lack of personal vendetta between Woverine and Sabretooth in X-Men. To include their history into a film is almost a no-brainer, yet it was absent.
1. Rouge's changes are excuseable. It's not like he bastardized the characters like Fox did in X-Men: The Last Stand.

2. Singer doesn't like Storm. He only added her in due to fan demand and the fact that she is a major X-Man like Wolverine, Cyclops, and Professor X. Hence why we really don't see any characterization with her.

3. While the X-Men movies mostly focused on Wolverine, the movie is not Wolverine, it's X-Men. The vendetta between Wolverine and Sabertooth will be explained in the Wolverine prequel movie.

Not to piss off any of you singer lovers, but My point is he's clearly demonstrated that he's all for the dumbing down of complex and emotional characters to fit his "Vision" He hasn't shown me that he is capable of bringing to life Brainiac or any of the other grandiose Villains of the Superman Mythology.
Asides from Storm, Singer didn't dumb down the X-Men characters. Also, Singer's X-Men movies rocked, just like Superman Returns. Also, Brainiac isn't supposed to be emotional or complex. AT ALL! He's supposed to be cold, calculating and on a simple mission, collect all data, then destroy the planet.

I personally love Darkseid, his arrogance and complete utter lack of respect for life is the polar opposite of Superman. Not to mention I'd love to see that JLU fight made into Live Action.

"Super", or otherwise, you are merely a man. And I, am a god" - Darkseid

For the record Darkseid really doesn't need that much explaining, He's an evil dictator whose finally made his way to earth, possibly a result of something stupid done by Lex Luthor. An if needed he could have a personally vendetta against the house of El because Jor-El was responsible for negotiating alliance with New Genesis effectively screwing up his conquest plans. (Just a thouht of the top of my head).
I agree with you completely on this.

Anyway, making a superb comic film is so simple it hurts my soul that film makers wont just do it right. Comics are like Scripts and Storyboards ALREADY made. How can you screw up when you have a CHEAT SHEET already made? Boggles my mind. :supes:
Superman Returns rocked dammit :cmad:

[mego joe]

Perhaps, there's something that I'm not seeing in this character. There's been a couple interpretations of him throughout the comics and television series. I'd like some of you to explain to me what makes Brainiac so cool to you and your #1 choice for Big Blue to throw down with in the sequel. Not disrespecting the character or anything, just wanna know his selling points. Is he a super computer, a crazy scientist, a crazy scientist turned into a super computer...what is he really? An definitively what abilities does he have that make him a match for superman?

:supes:

For many years Braniac was SUperman's #2 villain behind Lex, but I think Mr. Myxzptlk with his reality bending tricks could prove to be an interesting villain for a Superman film.

[DarkSuperman]

DarkSuperman think of it this way. You remember the huge ship in the movie independence Day coming to earth and the panic of the world. A very powerful alien with superior technology that nobody can stop and can cause the destruction like in the movie Independence Day.

Where's Superman? :huh:

Yeah, that would be really cool. Superman fighting a legion of Parademons, The Furies, Granny Goodness, and Kalibak. Coulda been sweet.

[Eros]

Darkseid is not even a superman villian, he hates superman and vice versa, but Darkseid is not in superman rogues gallery. Anybody with any knowledge of Jack Kirby work, will know Darkseid and the New Gods need their own movie. Brainiac is a main superman villian, he has battled superman dozens of times, that is why he should be used.

[hippie_hunter]

Darkseid is not even a superman villian, he hates superman and vice versa, but Darkseid is not in superman rogues gallery. Anybody with any knowledge of Jack Kirby work, will know Darkseid and the New Gods need their own movie. Brainiac is a main superman villian, he has battled superman dozens of times, that is why he should be used.

Darkseid is basically an "unofficial" member of Superman's rogues gallery. He was first introduced in a Superman comic (Superman's Pal Jimmy Olsen to be precise) and has conflicted with Superman plenty times. He's played an important role as Superman's enemy in the DCAU. Really the only way to have him in a movie, is to have him as Superman's enemy.

It's sorta like how Lex Luthor and Solomon Grundy are unofficially part of Batman's rogues gallery and Deathstroke is unofficially a Green Arrow villain.

[Lighthouse]

My opinion of why everyone loves Brainiac is.....well most of Supes villians are pretty lame, and would look pretty lame on screen. Bizarro would be pretty ridiculous, Parasite is a common thug, and don't even get me started on Toyman and Mxy. Darkseid is cool, but I think it would be impossible to bring him on without completely altering the character. Having him with all the Apokalypse stuff would be horribly complicated. Doomsday and Metallo might be neat, but like Parasite, they are more super-powered thugs. General Zod is great, but he's already been done. Brainiac is the only one left with both the braun and brains to take on Superman, not to mention that he has past ties with Superman and Krypton(Btw, what the hell is the difference between Eradicator and Brainiac anymore, they both seem like the exact same character?).

[DarkSuperman]

My opinion of why everyone loves Brainiac is.....well most of Supes villians are pretty lame, and would look pretty lame on screen. Bizarro would be pretty ridiculous, Parasite is a common thug, and don't even get me started on Toyman and Mxy. Darkseid is cool, but I think it would be impossible to bring him on without completely altering the character. Having him with all the Apokalypse stuff would be horribly complicated. Doomsday and Metallo might be neat, but like Parasite, they are more super-powered thugs. General Zod is great, but he's already been done. Brainiac is the only one left with both the braun and brains to take on Superman, not to mention that he has past ties with Superman and Krypton(Btw, what the hell is the difference between Eradicator and Brainiac anymore, they both seem like the exact same character?).

When people say things are too impossible or hard to bring to screen...that just means they lack the creativity and imagination to pull it off. If this is the case then they should hand the reigns of the horse over to someone who isn't daunted by a challenge.

[Lighthouse]

When people say things are too impossible or hard to bring to screen...that just means they lack the creativity and imagination to pull it off. If this is the case then they should hand the reigns of the horse over to someone who isn't daunted by a challenge.
I think bringing in Darkseid and all the Apokolypse stuff would heavily alienate the audience, no pun intended.

[Billy Batson]

Yeah, too epic for the audience. :cwink:

[bigtizzle]

I wish I were able to explain myself better on this subject, but I seem to be unable to find the words that will best convey my thoughts...

At the core of it all, it seems to me that big-time comic book fans are really delusional about what would translate well from page to screen. By that I mean that even in a fictional universe where we have an alien lifeform already established (Superman) some elements that fans are requesting still feel (to me at least) ridiculous. If you think that a movie with Mxyzptlk or Toyman wouldn't get laughed out of a theater you're out of touch with cinema. The universe Bryan Singer has created (along with Christopher Nolan, Sam Raimi, et al.) is one that allows for a suspension of disbelief that can only be stretched so far. Something outrageous popping in even with a character as cool as Lobo or Darkseid just does not jive with the tone of these films. Brainiac, Metallo, Bizarro or Doomsday can all be rationally explained with New Krypton orbiting and the crystals left behind doing god knows what. That's why I think Brainiac makes the best choice for a sequel villain over any of the other "comic book villains."

I'll finish by admitting that I myself am not into comic books. My incredible love of Superman is (like Singer) based solely on the Donner films. But folks just need to realize that certain elements from comic books would be terrible on film. You can say that I lack imagination or Singer lacks imagination all you want, but the movie needs to be at least a little bit realistic if it's to resonate with the 99.9% of movie-goers who have never picked up a comic book in their lives. I hope this makes any sense at all, because like I said, I'm struggling to really express my opinion on this matter.

[Spider-Fan]

Wait, we can take growing kryptonite continents, but not an alien race ruled by a powerful being with intentions of conquiring Earth? If the audience can buy the alien raised by farmers, with the powers of a god, then they can handle a ruler of a distant world, with godlike powers and a lust for power.

As for why people love Brainiac so much, it is because he is a Superman villain that challenges Superman both physically and mentally. Most of his villains are one or the other, but Brainiac is both. There are many versions of him, so I'd be interested to see what they do with him (even though I think Singer is not gonna make a good sequel).

[bigtizzle]

Those things can be believed because they've been established as of the first movie (whether you want it to be S:TM or SR.) The movies take place in our world, not some comic book world where superheroes and aliens are a dime a dozen. In the world of film, Superman is it. It's the same reason I don't think a Justice League movie would ever work. Comic books and cartoons are great places for those kinds of stories, but films. . . not so much. I wish I had a better answer/response and keep in mind that this is of course just my opinion, but I feel like I'm more along the lines of the average, non-comic fan who just happens to love superhero movies.

[Spider-Fan]

Those things can be believed because they've been established as of the first movie (whether you want it to be S:TM or SR.) The movies take place in our world, not some comic book world where superheroes and aliens are a dime a dozen. In the world of film, Superman is it. It's the same reason I don't think a Justice League movie would ever work. Comic books and cartoons are great places for those kinds of stories, but films. . . not so much. I wish I had a better answer/response and keep in mind that this is of course just my opinion, but I feel like I'm more along the lines of the average, non-comic fan who just happens to love superhero movies.

We have established there are many galaxies in the Superman movie -world (28 known, to be exact). So, it stands to reason other races exist. It also stands to reason that these races might be ruled by an evil dictator. Darkseid is basically an evil alien. In a world where we have established there are many galaxies, and since Lara was asking why Earth instead of another galaxy, it also stands to reason that these galaxies contain life. It is not an out there concept, and just by looking at a few lines, I have shown an establishment in the previous movies for this idea. My point is, audiences will buy Darkseid. It fits in with the Superman movie world.

[WormyT]

I'm not CRAZy about Brainiac. I never quite figured him out. Theres 2 visual incarnations of him. A cyborg looking thing (looking for a body) and a green dude with poker chips on his head.
Which version would we prefer. Personally I'd want a combo. Not the lazy green guy in a hospital robe version.

[bigtizzle]

Like I said in my original post, I know I'm not able to articulate my point very well because it's mostly just a feeling I get from the ideas thrown around on these boards and others. The best I can do is to say what a few others have been saying, which is that adding Darkseid, Mxyzptlk, etc. to the current film continuity would just take too much explanation or would feel ridiculous (to me.) I appreciate that comic book fans have the built-in argument that "they did it in the comics" or "they did it on the cartoon," but can you seriously give me a scenario where Darkseid is introduced that fits in with the direction of the current story? The truth is you probably can, but I can guarantee that I'll read it and most likely think that it sounds ridiculous. I realize it's just a matter of personal preference, but I guess I just have something in my brain that tells me a lot of elements that would be "true to the comics" are absolutely absurd when talked about in reference to the movies. Maybe I'm just close-minded?

[WormyT]

Like I said in my original post, I know I'm not able to articulate my point very well because it's mostly just a feeling I get from the ideas thrown around on these boards and others. The best I can do is to say what a few others have been saying, which is that adding Darkseid, Mxyzptlk, etc. to the current film continuity would just take too much explanation or would feel ridiculous (to me.) I appreciate that comic book fans have the built-in argument that "they did it in the comics" or "they did it on the cartoon," but can you seriously give me a scenario where Darkseid is introduced that fits in with the direction of the current story? The truth is you probably can, but I can guarantee that I'll read it and most likely think that it sounds ridiculous. I realize it's just a matter of personal preference, but I guess I just have something in my brain that tells me a lot of elements that would be "true to the comics" are absolutely absurd when talked about in reference to the movies. Maybe I'm just close-minded?

I think thats probably why Superman Fans despise SR and wanted a new take on Supes that could set the new movies in a new direction and new level of excitement. Something that would blow SPidey movies out of the water. I also believe you could easily add in Darkseid onto the big screen. He doesn't even have to be CG. Hes an amazing character charismatic, powerful, and who I believe is WAY more popular than Brainiac who has a different costume and look every other day.
It's the short minded thinking and short sitedness of Singer thats sent Superman to hell. A Superkid, a sensitive, dumb,weakling superman, A stupid campy Luthor and no Supervillain set up for the sequel. It's a very bland adaption of the source material.
One can't say the source material can't be adapted for the big screen properly if it hasn't been tried yet. It hasn't. Even Reeves, as great a Superman as he was is way more sensitive and gullable compared to the man in the books. If they can make 6 versions of James Bond they can try a NEW take on the Man of Steel.
Singer knows NOTHING about Superman. ZIP! SR is proof of this. It's like if someone adapted the Story of Jesus and had him as a Gladiator because the director couldn't be bothered reading the bible.
But even in Donner/singers World I still believe it's possible to have Apokolips and the Ruler Darkseid but I don't want him in Singers movies anyway. Let Singer make his 3 mellow movies and maybe in 20 years WB will have the balls to actually make a real epic intergalactic Superman movie that'll blow us away.

[bigtizzle]

I can understand if people are angry at Singer for crafting his films such that they don't lend themselves to the more "interesting" characters from the comic books, and I appreciate that you're realistic enough to realize that you may have to wait another 20 years for the movie you want to see. I really liked Returns and I am very much looking forward to the sequel, so when I see people talking about what Singer "should" do and throwing out ideas that are just not an option if they want any semblance of consistency. . . well you can see why it can be thought of as implausible at the very least.

[WormyT]

I can understand if people are angry at Singer for crafting his films such that they don't lend themselves to the more "interesting" characters from the comic books, and I appreciate that you're realistic enough to realize that you may have to wait another 20 years for the movie you want to see. I really liked Returns and I am very much looking forward to the sequel, so when I see people talking about what Singer "should" do and throwing out ideas that are just not an option if they want any semblance of consistency. . . well you can see why it can be thought of as implausible at the very least.
I agree. Singers set this in the Donner world and will take it nice and slow like the X movies. He'll most probably make better sequels. I look at Donners universe as 4 movies. Superman 1-4.
But 20 years later? Damn it would be so nice to get a new take on this character you know. Just reading a book like Superman Birthright You can see how if THAT was adapted for the big screen would HOOK in a new generation as it's quite like Smallville too.
Batman Begins adapted 3 books and had an origin story AND 4 villains. Chris and Goyer were all about 'Lets do this right'. And it turned out great.
20 years I guess. :(

[Spider-Fan]

Like I said in my original post, I know I'm not able to articulate my point very well because it's mostly just a feeling I get from the ideas thrown around on these boards and others. The best I can do is to say what a few others have been saying, which is that adding Darkseid, Mxyzptlk, etc. to the current film continuity would just take too much explanation or would feel ridiculous (to me.) I appreciate that comic book fans have the built-in argument that "they did it in the comics" or "they did it on the cartoon," but can you seriously give me a scenario where Darkseid is introduced that fits in with the direction of the current story? The truth is you probably can, but I can guarantee that I'll read it and most likely think that it sounds ridiculous. I realize it's just a matter of personal preference, but I guess I just have something in my brain that tells me a lot of elements that would be "true to the comics" are absolutely absurd when talked about in reference to the movies. Maybe I'm just close-minded?

Just at the top of my head, Apokolips is running out of resources for their war on New Genesis. Darkseid decides to conquer a lesser world rich in resources, and he finds Earth. I could probably do better if I really thought about it, but that is one just at the top of my head. People are more than willing to accept seemingly out there ideas (been arguing that in the FF forums about whether we can have a giant Galactus in FF2 or not), and I think they would. We just don't give the general public enough credit.

[Spider-Fan]

I think thats probably why Superman Fans despise SR and wanted a new take on Supes that could set the new movies in a new direction and new level of excitement. Something that would blow SPidey movies out of the water. I also believe you could easily add in Darkseid onto the big screen. He doesn't even have to be CG. Hes an amazing character charismatic, powerful, and who I believe is WAY more popular than Brainiac who has a different costume and look every other day.
It's the short minded thinking and short sitedness of Singer thats sent Superman to hell. A Superkid, a sensitive, dumb,weakling superman, A stupid campy Luthor and no Supervillain set up for the sequel. It's a very bland adaption of the source material.
One can't say the source material can't be adapted for the big screen properly if it hasn't been tried yet. It hasn't. Even Reeves, as great a Superman as he was is way more sensitive and gullable compared to the man in the books. If they can make 6 versions of James Bond they can try a NEW take on the Man of Steel.
Singer knows NOTHING about Superman. ZIP! SR is proof of this. It's like if someone adapted the Story of Jesus and had him as a Gladiator because the director couldn't be bothered reading the bible.
But even in Donner/singers World I still believe it's possible to have Apokolips and the Ruler Darkseid but I don't want him in Singers movies anyway. Let Singer make his 3 mellow movies and maybe in 20 years WB will have the balls to actually make a real epic intergalactic Superman movie that'll blow us away.

Darkseid is a better villain. No doubt about it. However, Brainiac is a good next movie villain. After Darkseid, there isn't much harder for Superman. That is why Brainiac is a great choice for the next villain. He is popular, and very different. I love Brainiac, personally. Darkseid should be left for last. With Singer at the helm though, that could be sooner than later.

[JamalYIgle]

Wanting Brainiac has nothing to do with Donner. (Singer's a fan of Donner. Let it go!)

Brainiac is just a good villian. Plain and simple. Considering the large amount of time that will be needed to get Lois and Supes together, you'd need a villian that flows with the story and not a second story line. Darkseid requires his own story line. A kryptonian Brainiac plays with the Superman story. The Return to Krypton scene can be expanded with a few extra seconds to show Brainiac was there- Opening credits-Start movie.Except that if you use the comic book version of Brainiac he is neither a kryptonian Construct or computer and doesn't have Super strength.

[JamalYIgle]

Darkseid is basically an "unofficial" member of Superman's rogues gallery. He was first introduced in a Superman comic (Superman's Pal Jimmy Olsen to be precise) and has conflicted with Superman plenty times. He's played an important role as Superman's enemy in the DCAU. Really the only way to have him in a movie, is to have him as Superman's enemy.

It's sorta like how Lex Luthor and Solomon Grundy are unofficially part of Batman's rogues gallery and Deathstroke is unofficially a Green Arrow villain.
Except Bad hat harry doesn't have the New Gods film rights, So no Darkseid, or the New Gods.

[DavidTyler]

Except that if you use the comic book version of Brainiac he is neither a kryptonian Construct or computer and doesn't have Super strength.

My hands down favourite Brainiac is the short-lived chrome skeletal Giegeresque one. Cold, inhuman, and looking like a cross between an organic and a machine, he had me at the first issue. I even have the 5 inch plastic toy at my computer. While he may not have had Superman's strength, he had an intelligence level combined with a complete lack of emotion or compassion that would make him a formidable enemy.

Second to that was the organic green skinned, goateed, alien in a long purple cloak. This version was more about mind control.

Somewhere after that falls the animated Brainiac which IS Kryptonian and basically has a feel somewhere between the Giegeresque version and Hal 9000.

[DarkSuperman]

Those things can be believed because they've been established as of the first movie (whether you want it to be S:TM or SR.) The movies take place in our world, not some comic book world where superheroes and aliens are a dime a dozen. In the world of film, Superman is it. It's the same reason I don't think a Justice League movie would ever work. Comic books and cartoons are great places for those kinds of stories, but films. . . not so much. I wish I had a better answer/response and keep in mind that this is of course just my opinion, but I feel like I'm more along the lines of the average, non-comic fan who just happens to love superhero movies.

It really makes me laugh when people say things like "It can't be done" or "The audience won't except it" or "Its too far out there..." Are you freaking kidding me? Really? WE LIVE IN THE 21ST CENTURY!

There was a little movie that came out not to long ago that made about a billion dollars and broke ALL records, perhaps you've heard of it...its called Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest. That movie had a giant Octopus, A Squid Faced Super Natural Grim Reaper Pirate, A Ghost Ship/Submarine and a bunch of other crazy stuff I can't even remember! Are you seriously gonna tell me...in this day and age of WARS (War on Iraq) and DESPOTS (Saddam and Castro) That the concept of an Alien Dictator is TOO much for them to comprehend? Are you suggesting that the general public is consists 90% of Morons?

What you need more proof that Darkseid would work? What was that film directed by one of the greatest directors of ALL TIME, Stephen Spielberg...oh yeah...WAR OF THE WORLDS. Not to mention Indenpendence Day, another alien invasion story with heart...

Bottom Line: The World isn't Stupid. I'm tired of people suggesting darkseid can't work because he is too complex when in actuallity there is nothing more REAL or RELEVANT to our times. He'd be the perfect foe for the man of steel because in actuallity...he is the Anti-Superman.

[TheComicbookKid]

I get what bigtizzle is saying. I think everyone does.

Spiderman wouldn't look right fighting Superman's villains. Spidey is a street level fighter. Not that he can't fight aliens, but it'd have to be done in a certain way.

Darkseid is just a boring villain. He'd spend the whole movie talking about attacking Earth instead of doing it so they could have a climax fight. Superman crossing a boom tube to Apokolips would be ok, but actually seeing Apokolips floating above Earth would be too fantastical.

Brainiac has a connection to Superman. A large ship floating above Earth isn't anything the audience hasn't seen before. He can have Superman fight a hundred-thousand Brainiac robots before the fight(just like the henchmen of Darkseid).

[WormyT]

When people say things are too impossible or hard to bring to screen...that just means they lack the creativity and imagination to pull it off. If this is the case then they should hand the reigns of the horse over to someone who isn't daunted by a challenge.
Thank you!!
(standing clapping).

[DarkSuperman]

Thank you!!
(standing clapping).

You're Welcome, Brother.

[Jimmy, GL]

When people say things are too impossible or hard to bring to screen...that just means they lack the creativity and imagination to pull it off. If this is the case then they should hand the reigns of the horse over to someone who isn't daunted by a challenge.

We need Spielberg to come do Superman after he finishes on TF. Singer is terrible for Supe's he needs to go back and fix X3 before he tries to tackle another Superman movie.Singer go do Xmen and leave Supe's to some new meat. We need a new idea scheme entirely. I wouldn't mind seeing them redo the very first superman movie. That would be cool.

[igotatromboner]

Braniac is an awesome villian. S:TAS had pretty much the coolest version of him and what a movie version should be based on. He brings a lot to the table for Superman is you go for the right origin. He's responsible for the downfall of Krypton. He's the one that convinced the council that Jor-El was wrong. He could easily be written as the cause behind Zod. I also think it would be cool for him to come to Earth after following Superman on his return trip. Not only would Braniac be there to finish the last son of Krypton but Superman would also have only himself to blame for bringing Braniac to Earth. Bizarro is a second tier villian in my opinion and chances are he will never make it to the screen due to his presence in the Superman Returns video game. Superhero games based on movies always have lesser characters make appearances to expand the plot. The Spider-Man games did the same thing so Bizarro probably won't be showing up on screen as a main villian. I think Braniac has been waiting to be seen on screen for a long time. He's the next logical villian for Superman to fight since they made Lex a character that will never throw down with Superman.

[DavidTyler]

..............................
Darkseid is just a boring villain. He'd spend the whole movie talking about attacking Earth instead of doing it so they could have a climax fight. Superman crossing a boom tube to Apokolips would be ok, but actually seeing Apokolips floating above Earth would be too fantastical.

..............

R U under the impression that Darksied would come to Earth by his little lonesome and stomp around Metropolis making threats?

First Darksied is a God. He rules Apokolips and his vast demonic armies at his command. He has some very strange and interesting evil people who are his first stringers. Individuals like Desaad who is his Machevelian planner. He has Kalibak .. his huge, physicaly powerful but brutish son - looking more beastial than human. The Furies - a group of violent and deadly female warriors who could easily take on an army by themselves - let alone Superman. Let's not forget the Parademons - think the flying monkeys from Oz but on steriods and toting massive weapons.

There are a lot more in Darksieds supporting cast that would come to Earth with him. A confrontation with Darksied would be huge. It would involve the armies of Earth AND Superman. It would be on a grander scale than the film 'Independence Day' and would be akin to 'War of the Worlds'.

To say that Darksied would be 'boring' is such a misstatement that I had to respond.

[DarkSuperman]

R U under the impression that Darksied would come to Earth by his little lonesome and stomp around Metropolis making threats?

First Darksied is a God. He rules Apokolips and his vast demonic armies at his command. He has some very strange and interesting evil people who are his first stringers. Individuals like Desaad who is his Machevelian planner. He has Kalibak .. his huge, physicaly powerful but brutish son - looking more beastial than human. The Furies - a group of violent and deadly female warriors who could easily take on an army by themselves - let alone Superman. Let's not forget the Parademons - think the flying monkeys from Oz but on steriods and toting massive weapons.

There are a lot more in Darksieds supporting cast that would come to Earth with him. A confrontation with Darksied would be huge. It would involve the armies of Earth AND Superman. It would be on a grander scale than the film 'Independence Day' and would be akin to 'War of the Worlds'.

To say that Darksied would be 'boring' is such a misstatement that I had to respond.

Thank you! A despotic God with Malevolent Ambition is far more fun and interesting than a Cold Thinking computer who shrinks cities...Just my opinion though. I mean why do another cold robot villain? Didnt we already make Terminator? Why not show audiences something COOL they've never seen before. Darkseid if used could be the "Davey Jones" of the superhero films.

[The Overlord]

Thank you! A despotic God with Malevolent Ambition is far more fun and interesting than a Cold Thinking computer who shrinks cities...Just my opinion though. I mean why do another cold robot villain? Didnt we already make Terminator? Why not show audiences something COOL they've never seen before. Darkseid if used could be the "Davey Jones" of the superhero films.

One probelm though, if darkseid appears in the sequel, who will Superman fight in the movie after that? After beating Darkseid and his minions, how is Parasite supposed to pose a threat? You have to up the threat level after every movie, not dramatically increase it and then decrease it. Besides Brainiac has more history with Superman, Darkseid is more of a general DCU villain than a Superman villain. If Darkseid is going to appear in a Superman movie, it should be the last movie of the series.

[The Question]

I don't think you need to increase the threat level at all. Ra's Al Ghul is a much bigger threat than The Joker, and yet The Joker is following Ra's up in The Dark Knight. They're very different villains who threaten Batman in very different ways. Just as Superman's other villains are very different from Darkseid and all pose very different threats. That being said, no Darkseid. He's above Superman. Apearing in a film as a Superman villain is beneath him.

[DavidTyler]

Thank you! A despotic God with Malevolent Ambition is far more fun and interesting than a Cold Thinking computer who shrinks cities...Just my opinion though. I mean why do another cold robot villain? Didnt we already make Terminator? Why not show audiences something COOL they've never seen before. Darkseid if used could be the "Davey Jones" of the superhero films.

Because Brainiac, handled properly, could be just as interesting and exciting.

[Cyrusbales]

I'm not really a fan, I think GOG is cool, but no-one else does, so who knows.....

[DvilDog]

R U under the impression that Darksied would come to Earth by his little lonesome and stomp around Metropolis making threats?

First Darksied is a God. He rules Apokolips and his vast demonic armies at his command. He has some very strange and interesting evil people who are his first stringers. Individuals like Desaad who is his Machevelian planner. He has Kalibak .. his huge, physicaly powerful but brutish son - looking more beastial than human. The Furies - a group of violent and deadly female warriors who could easily take on an army by themselves - let alone Superman. Let's not forget the Parademons - think the flying monkeys from Oz but on steriods and toting massive weapons.

There are a lot more in Darksieds supporting cast that would come to Earth with him. A confrontation with Darksied would be huge. It would involve the armies of Earth AND Superman. It would be on a grander scale than the film 'Independence Day' and would be akin to 'War of the Worlds'.

To say that Darksied would be 'boring' is such a misstatement that I had to respond.

The way that you described this. I would love to see this on the screen. He sends all those people down throughout the whole movie. Superman is able to defeat them. But by the end of the movie he is so weak the battle between darkseid and him would be well lopsided to say the least. I dont know what would happen but hey thats the magic of a three movie series

[project13]

In mean, Bizarro is the opposite of Superman and the opposite of a man is a woman. I would totally laugh if Singer does that. What do you guys think?

[bosef982]

There are at least 3 different versions of Brainiac:

1) The vague pre-crisis version andriod which is humanoid and simply wants to rebuild his society using shrunken cities, and wanted to find targets for the Coluian homeworld, and in some versions, wanted to restore his former planet.

2) A deathrow Coluian scientist named Vrill Dox who merges with Milton Fine, a hypnotist, and inherits his mental abilities, and finds himself murdering people to sustain the energy needed to complete the merging of his body (technically the current version)

3) The animated series, where Brainiac is a construct designed by the Kryptonians to store information and allows Krypton to be destroyed, comes to Earth, and eventually causes more havoc there.

Which one works better? I'd go with number 3, personally.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

We've done this discussion a few times. The answer you will always get is

S:TAS Brainiac

It seems to be all that fans know at this point.

[Brainiac 2009]

Brainiac was perfected on TAS.

[dark_b]

There are at least 3 different versions of Brainiac:

1) The vague pre-crisis version andriod which is humanoid and simply wants to rebuild his society using shrunken cities, and wanted to find targets for the Coluian homeworld, and in some versions, wanted to restore his former planet.

2) A deathrow Coluian scientist named Vrill Dox who merges with Milton Fine, a hypnotist, and inherits his mental abilities, and finds himself murdering people to sustain the energy needed to complete the merging of his body (technically the current version)

3) The animated series, where Brainiac is a construct designed by the Kryptonians to store information and allows Krypton to be destroyed, comes to Earth, and eventually causes more havoc there.

Which one works better? I'd go with number 3, personally.its not only that 3 worsk better 1 and 2 are dumb. and when i say dumb i mean dumb. i would never go watch a movie with a brainiac like this.

3 is the only option .but maybe they will change something to fit the story.

[GreenKToo]

I would prefer # 3, but #1 or #2 would be o.k. as well.

[TripXyDE]

Brainiac was perfected on TAS.

SO TRUE

i dont even need to type further to elaborate why

dont u just wish the STAS people, Timm & Dini, right?--i wish they were the ones in charge of making THE movies

[project13]

There are at least 3 different versions of Brainiac:

1) The vague pre-crisis version andriod which is humanoid and simply wants to rebuild his society using shrunken cities, and wanted to find targets for the Coluian homeworld, and in some versions, wanted to restore his former planet.

2) A deathrow Coluian scientist named Vrill Dox who merges with Milton Fine, a hypnotist, and inherits his mental abilities, and finds himself murdering people to sustain the energy needed to complete the merging of his body (technically the current version)

3) The animated series, where Brainiac is a construct designed by the Kryptonians to store information and allows Krypton to be destroyed, comes to Earth, and eventually causes more havoc there.

Which one works better? I'd go with number 3, personally.

Oh so it's like that, eh? You wanted to change the subject to Brainiac from Bizarro. I guess the reason is that my idea is stupid.

[Jochimus]

There are at least 3 different versions of Brainiac:

1) The vague pre-crisis version andriod which is humanoid and simply wants to rebuild his society using shrunken cities, and wanted to find targets for the Coluian homeworld, and in some versions, wanted to restore his former planet.

2) A deathrow Coluian scientist named Vrill Dox who merges with Milton Fine, a hypnotist, and inherits his mental abilities, and finds himself murdering people to sustain the energy needed to complete the merging of his body (technically the current version)

3) The animated series, where Brainiac is a construct designed by the Kryptonians to store information and allows Krypton to be destroyed, comes to Earth, and eventually causes more havoc there.

I say mash them together into one character: a cybernetic being named Vril Dox created on Colu who advances beyond his original programming of archival and preservation, taking root on various semi-developed worlds with the aim of influencing their technological evolution; however, as a result he unintentionally destroys several such planets one after the other (ultimately believing them 'unfit' and abandoning them) over the course of centuries from destabilizing their cores for power - one of the last of which he did this to was Krypton. He monitors Kal-El's flight to Earth, sees another 'underdeveloped' civilization 'in need' of his talents, and merges with a psychoanalyst named Milton Fine in a bid to learn where he needs to make 'improvements'.

[Spike_x1]

I'd use the Vril Dox version, but skip the Milton Fine part of his history and go straight to B-13, which put every other incarnation of Brainiac to shame in Y2K, IMO.

And the animated series version was basically just the Eradicator with a few elements of Brainiac thrown in. Definitely not the Brainiac I want to see brought to the big screen. :down

[The Overlord]

I'd use the Vril Dox version, but skip the Milton Fine part of his history and go straight to B-13, which put every other incarnation of Brainiac to shame in Y2K, IMO.

And the animated series version was basically just the Eradicator with a few elements of Brainiac thrown in. Definitely not the Brainiac I want to see brought to the big screen. :down

What about late Pre Crisis Brainiac (he was a robot, powerful enough to take on the pre crisis JLA and had a very cool robotic look.)

[green]

There are at least 3 different versions of Brainiac:

1) The vague pre-crisis version andriod which is humanoid and simply wants to rebuild his society using shrunken cities, and wanted to find targets for the Coluian homeworld, and in some versions, wanted to restore his former planet.

2) A deathrow Coluian scientist named Vrill Dox who merges with Milton Fine, a hypnotist, and inherits his mental abilities, and finds himself murdering people to sustain the energy needed to complete the merging of his body (technically the current version)

3) The animated series, where Brainiac is a construct designed by the Kryptonians to store information and allows Krypton to be destroyed, comes to Earth, and eventually causes more havoc there.

Which one works better? I'd go with number 3, personally.

Id go with the STAS version.:up:
Unfortunately people are going to ***** about whichever is used.:whatever:

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

There are at least 3 different versions of Brainiac:

1) The vague pre-crisis version andriod which is humanoid and simply wants to rebuild his society using shrunken cities, and wanted to find targets for the Coluian homeworld, and in some versions, wanted to restore his former planet.

2) A deathrow Coluian scientist named Vrill Dox who merges with Milton Fine, a hypnotist, and inherits his mental abilities, and finds himself murdering people to sustain the energy needed to complete the merging of his body (technically the current version)

3) The animated series, where Brainiac is a construct designed by the Kryptonians to store information and allows Krypton to be destroyed, comes to Earth, and eventually causes more havoc there.

Which one works better? I'd go with number 3, personally.

I'm only familiar with versions 1 and 3, and 3 is by far the best option for a movie.

[dpm07]

Definitely the S:TAS/JL/JLU version. That's the best one, IMO.

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Same question will get same answers about everytime. Amazing isn't it?

Which Brainiac?

Answer-- S:TAS

[Showtime]

I would imagine we will see a STAS influenced Brainiac, but Signer will add his own twist to the way he looks and his attributes. No doubt about that.

[The Overlord]

I would imagine we will see a STAS influenced Brainiac, but Signer will add his own twist to the way he looks and his attributes. No doubt about that.

What, will Singer's Brainiac be obsessed with real estate? :whatever:

[bosef982]

I would imagine we will see a STAS influenced Brainiac, but Signer will add his own twist to the way he looks and his attributes. No doubt about that.


I can just see Patrick Stewart's face refracted in the crystal pillars of the Fortress, where Brainiac will first communicate with Superman before spawning the Eradicator to guide him or review Superman's progress on Earth.

[Showtime]

I can just see Patrick Stewart's face refracted in the crystal pillars of the Fortress, where Brainiac will first communicate with Superman before spawning the Eradicator to guide him or review Superman's progress on Earth.

Very cool visual. I like your ideas. :yay:

[Showtime]

What, will Singer's Brainiac be obsessed with real estate? :whatever:

He'll be obsessed with the Man of Steel and his world.

[Spike_x1]

What about late Pre Crisis Brainiac (he was a robot, powerful enough to take on the pre crisis JLA and had a very cool robotic look.)Well, that's the direction that both Pre and Post Crisis Brainiacs were heading in when they both ditched the green humanoid look and went fully robotic (Silver Age Brainiac losing the shruken cities motif, and Modern Age Brainiac leaving behind the psychic powers). With a few cosmetic differences, B-13 and Pre-Crisis Robot Brainiac are basically the same thing, so I'd be happy with either one of them, or a combination, being in the movie.

Visually, I think they're both interesting (Brainiac 13 should lose the shorts, though), and the fact that they both have emotions that other characters can play off of definitely puts them above S:TAS's bland version. Without emotions, you can't have such precious moments as Brainiac mocking Superman's punches, saying "I'm sorry, was that supposed to hurt? I'm comprised of a hundred trillion nano-computers. We don't bruise." Still cold and calculating, but his lines wouldn't have to be a boring monotone string of exposition.

And if they could squeeze Lena Luthor somewhere in the movie, incorporating her into the Brainiac plot, then that would be great as well. She made for an iconic moment for both Lex and Brainiac's characters at the conclusion of Y2K, which would more than make up for the lack of depth to Lex in SR, while also giving him the corporate powerbase that most modern audiences associate Lex with.

[BH/HHH]

S:TAS Brainiac easily

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He'll be obsessed with the Man of Steel and his world.

Or...

He is obsessed with finding last son of krypton in hopes he'll join him or some crap.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

What I would love is if Braniac was the reason Metallo got created presenting Metallo as a "challenege" for Kal-el

[bosef982]

I think Brainiac should operate like Jor-El, perhaps only once taking humanoid form at the very end of the film. The Eradicator should be his messenger, of sorts, with a concentration on some external human threat that just elevates the cluster-****.