What About DeadShot For Movie #3

[hemparea51]

Who doesn't love a assassin??? Hehehe!!! Saw Gotham Night and his part was great. As a main villain, I don't know. But a minor villain definitely. What do you think???

[warren_sparta27]

Was Deadshot originally a Batman villain?
I liked him in B:GK, and i agree that he couldn't be the major stand alone villain, but a minor role working for the mob, or as a hired hitman for someone else could work.
Actually that whole storyline from B:GK could work in the next film if the villain had a grudge against Gordon, would love to see that story in live action.

[returntovoid]

Was Deadshot originally a Batman villain?
I liked him in B:GK, and i agree that he couldn't be the major stand alone villain, but a minor role working for the mob, or as a hired hitman for someone else could work.
Actually that whole storyline from B:GK could work in the next film if the villain had a grudge against Gordon, would love to see that story in live action.

They could show the mob getting really sick of Batman, that they hire hitman Deadshot to kill Batman.

[wrhssaxensemble]

Who doesn't love a assassin??? Hehehe!!! Saw Gotham Night and his part was great. As a main villain, I don't know. But a minor villain definitely. What do you think???

I could see it... realistic and minor enough to not take away from Two-Face

[warren_sparta27]

Hmmm... If they are going to hire a hitman to off Batman i guess i'd rather Cain than Deadshot. Or maybe both either working together (not their choice) or competing against each other....

[hemparea51]

Was Deadshot originally a Batman villain?

According to Wikipedia he was. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deadshot His first appearence was Batman #59 (June/July 1950)

[warren_sparta27]

hmm, you learn something new everyday.
Again though, that part on top of the train, would love to see that with Bale in live action.

[Venom 1988]

I could see it... realistic and minor enough to not take away from Two-Face

Thats if Two-Face returns :cwink:

[warren_sparta27]

Thats if Two-Face returns :cwink:

That's what i keep trying to tell him :whatever:

[wrhssaxensemble]

That's what i keep trying to tell him :whatever:

We aren't talking about some minor villain though; we are talking about one of Batman's biggest... why only have him as two face for a short time in a movie that focuses largely around the Joker as the villain? it would make no sense unless it is to set it up for a third movie with two-face as the primary villain so that his role in TDK is only as harvey and then only a minor part as two-face..... also, it is a tad too coincidental that the original discussions about TDK and the 3rd one said that Harvey will be scarred in the 3rd one. Granted this happens in TDK instead, but the point is that Two Face is going to be huge in the 3rd one

[Nepenthes]

From what I've seen of the Gotham Knight making-of clips you could adapt him straight off the anime. He's a gentlemen sharpshooter for hire, so easy.He's new to the mainstream and he's automatically cool as hell.

Or Firefly could just be the same guy with a jet pack and flamethrowers instead of guns.

[Anubis]

Nah, I'd rather they saved him for Super Max. He became a far better villain once he stopped being a Batman Villain. They should do a Suicide Squad Movie, that would be kick ass.

[warren_sparta27]

We aren't talking about some minor villain though; we are talking about one of Batman's biggest... why only have him as two face for a short time in a movie that focuses largely around the Joker as the villain? it would make no sense unless it is to set it up for a third movie with two-face as the primary villain so that his role in TDK is only as harvey and then only a minor part as two-face..... also, it is a tad too coincidental that the original discussions about TDK and the 3rd one said that Harvey will be scarred in the 3rd one. Granted this happens in TDK instead, but the point is that Two Face is going to be huge in the 3rd one

I honestly understand what you're saying, Two-Face is not just my fav Batman villain, He's my fav villain ever! And i would love to see him in the third film, it would be amazing. But with what's been said in reviews from people that have seen the film i'm not getting my hopes up.

[NinjaTurtleFan]

"Gotham Knight" was good, not very great. I gave it a 7 or 8 out of 10. I just hated the shortness and ambiguity of the chapters, but overall I loved "Crossfire", "In Darkness Dwells", and "Deadshot" the most.

As for Deadshot being a villain I could see him working as an underling with Bane. Do like a scene with the mob ala "Empire Strikes Back" where Thorne or whoever else is surrounded with a room full of hitmen, bounty-hunters, assassins, and Batman's rogue gallery and Deadshot is glimpsed.

[Venom 1988]

We aren't talking about some minor villain though; we are talking about one of Batman's biggest... why only have him as two face for a short time in a movie that focuses largely around the Joker as the villain? it would make no sense unless it is to set it up for a third movie with two-face as the primary villain so that his role in TDK is only as harvey and then only a minor part as two-face..... also, it is a tad too coincidental that the original discussions about TDK and the 3rd one said that Harvey will be scarred in the 3rd one. Granted this happens in TDK instead, but the point is that Two Face is going to be huge in the 3rd one

From what I've heard Two-Face is in the movie for a good 30 mins. What people don't realize is that while Joker is indeed the spotlight villain and getting all the hype, this movie is really more about Harvey/Two-Face. Nolan even said it in a past interview, that Harvey is the backbone of the story. All I'm gonna say is that I spoiled the hell out of the movie for myself (yes that includes the ending). Just dont get your hopes up thats all :oldrazz:

[Killing Joke926]

Indeed, I could definatly see Deadshot in a possible third movie as an assassin; his role wouldn't be any bigger than Falcone's in BB and he could be a hit man for the mob like Black Mask or Two-Face (if they're just rumors) or some other kingpin. Infact, if I want anybody playing Deadshot if the story's right and such, I'd definatly want Temuera Morrison for the role. :word: :brucebat:

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[The Shadow]

No dead shot please. Not one of the classic villians in Batman's rogues gallery. They still need to use Ventriloquist/Scarface, The Mad Hatter, Killer Croc, and Clay face.

[Killing Joke926]

No dead shot please. Not one of the classic villians in Batman's rogues gallery. They still need to use Ventriloquist/Scarface, The Mad Hatter, Killer Croc, and Clay face.

Except for Killer Croc and that Clay Face isn't realistic enough to fit in Nolan's universe, those don't really live up to being villians in any movies. :brucebat:

[wrhssaxensemble]

I honestly understand what you're saying, Two-Face is not just my fav Batman villain, He's my fav villain ever! And i would love to see him in the third film, it would be amazing. But with what's been said in reviews from people that have seen the film i'm not getting my hopes up.

If that is the case though that he is only in the second, wouldn't WB profit off of it and have two-face action figures for the movie? or maybe a harvey dent one where you can take off part of his face almost like it is a mask and underneath see the scarring

I am just saying, if he is only in this one, and not a villain in the 3rd one, wouldn't WB market his role a lot more?

[wrhssaxensemble]

No dead shot please. Not one of the classic villians in Batman's rogues gallery. They still need to use Ventriloquist/Scarface, The Mad Hatter, Killer Croc, and Clay face.

Actually he kinda is... he predates Scarface, Killer Croc and most later incarnations of clayface by a long shot...

[wrhssaxensemble]

From what I've heard Two-Face is in the movie for a good 30 mins. What people don't realize is that while Joker is indeed the spotlight villain and getting all the hype, this movie is really more about Harvey/Two-Face. Nolan even said it in a past interview, that Harvey is the backbone of the story. All I'm gonna say is that I spoiled the hell out of the movie for myself (yes that includes the ending). Just dont get your hopes up thats all :oldrazz:


Right... HARVEY, not Two-Face is the backbone.... they have to establish Harvey to adequately show two-face otherwise you end up with another mess like BF was in explaining his origin. Why would they have such a major villain in a movie for only about 30 minutes? makes no sense... it has to be a set up for the third

[returntovoid]

If that is the case though that he is only in the second, wouldn't WB profit off of it and have two-face action figures for the movie? or maybe a harvey dent one where you can take off part of his face almost like it is a mask and underneath see the scarring

I am just saying, if he is only in this one, and not a villain in the 3rd one, wouldn't WB market his role a lot more?

The scarring on the TDK Two-Face action figure is toned down so younger kids don't get scared the **** out of it.

[Laderlappen]

I just dont care much for Deadshot.

[Venom 1988]

If that is the case though that he is only in the second, wouldn't WB profit off of it and have two-face action figures for the movie? or maybe a harvey dent one where you can take off part of his face almost like it is a mask and underneath see the scarring

I am just saying, if he is only in this one, and not a villain in the 3rd one, wouldn't WB market his role a lot more? No because most people probably dont even know about Two-Face in this movie. And yes they are profiting off him, they already figures of him in development, leaked pics showed this months back. Just they wont come out until AFTER TDK comes out.

Right... HARVEY, not Two-Face is the backbone.... they have to establish Harvey to adequately show two-face otherwise you end up with another mess like BF was in explaining his origin. Why would they have such a major villain in a movie for only about 30 minutes? makes no sense... it has to be a set up for the third Except its not. This is what I call denial at its best. Prepare to be sadly mistaken when you see the movie.

[wrhssaxensemble]

No because most people probably dont even know about Two-Face in this movie. And yes they are profiting off him, they already figures of him in development, leaked pics showed this months back. Just they wont come out until AFTER TDK comes out.

Except its not. This is what I call denial at its best. Prepare to be sadly mistaken when you see the movie.


well I read some of the spoilers... but I doubt he is really gone for good. I read one where it almost hints as much to the audience. I saw the pics back when, but those were just concept pics.

I still think, regardless of what it looks like at the end of the movie, he will be back. I mean how else can you reverse the supposed ending of the movie if it is not by having a huge return of him which coincidentally clears the whole situation up (sorry to be vague, but trying not to spoil)... as much as I like them, I don't think Riddler or Catwoman would fit that role and I know anyone smaller is even less likely to.

Besides, I thought they signed Eckhart to a 2 movie contract for Batman... why the second if he is not going to be in it?

[hatebox]

He's a bit of a one-trick pony as a villain... although maybe Nolan could do something interesting with him.

His segment on GK was probably the best one FWIW.

[Venom 1988]

well I read some of the spoilers... but I doubt he is really gone for good. I read one where it almost hints as much to the audience. I saw the pics back when, but those were just concept pics.

I still think, regardless of what it looks like at the end of the movie, he will be back. I mean how else can you reverse the supposed ending of the movie if it is not by having a huge return of him which coincidentally clears the whole situation up (sorry to be vague, but trying not to spoil)... as much as I like them, I don't think Riddler or Catwoman would fit that role and I know anyone smaller is even less likely to.

Besides, I thought they signed Eckhart to a 2 movie contract for Batman... why the second if he is not going to be in it? Christ, you really dont get it don't you :whatever:

First off just because an actor is signed on for multiple movies. Its just the companies is insuarance for using the actor. Its there way of saying well we own you for 10 years, regardless if you use you or not for this movie. Maggie is signed on for two movies as well but he know she dies.
As for Two-Face
He falls off a building, Bats and Gordon have a lil chat by his body, and theres even a funeral for him. He aint coming back from that, not in Nolan's series anyway

[wrhssaxensemble]

Christ, you really dont get it don't you :whatever:

First off just because an actor is signed on for multiple movies. Its just the companies is insuarance for using the actor. Its there way of saying well we own you for 10 years, regardless if you use you or not for this movie.

That makes no sense though, why sign him to movies you have no intention of making? It would be a huge waste of money. I know if he just signed with WB in general then they could use him for a different WB movie but I was under the impression it was specifically for Batman films both times. Without using him in the next film, it would be a complete waste of money unless it is a set price for each film in which case it is really two contracts with the second one not maturing because a condition precedent never arose. If that is the case though, that also doesn't make sense because it could concievably open WB up to litigation depending on how the contract is written or construed

[Venom 1988]

I like how I gave you a specific example underneath that, yet you dont bother you dont bother to talk about it.

The multiple movie contracts are a safety net just in case they want or need to use an actor. Alfred Molina was signed on for two Spider-Man movies as Doc Ock. The actors who played Toad and Sabretooth in X-Men were signed on for two additional movies IIRC.

[hemparea51]

Also, don't forget if they need to do a flash back sequence or a dream sequence like Willem Dafoe in Spider Man II, or Alec Guinness in Star Wars 5 and 6 that could be a reason they're signed on.