WB & DC Meet For A Summit

[Lighthouse]

This is some pretty damn big news right here. I think we finally are going to get something after its over.

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117988775.html?categoryid=13&cs=1

Warner, DC hold superhero summit
Strategy in works for comic catalog
By DAVID S. COHEN
It’s not quite a gathering of the Justice League, but there’s a superhero summit under way at Warner Bros.

Warners and sibling DC Comics are holding high-level talks to hammer out a master strategy for their stable of superheroes.

Warners has never had such a strategy, and there have long been complaints the studio has been slow to exploit a potential treasure trove of franchises. And while the studio is basking in critical love for “The Dark Knight,” it has watched studio rivals rake in big bucks from Marvel Comics characters, and Marvel itself get into the tentpole business.

While it’s assumed there will be another Batman pic, there’s been no formal announcement. And Warners has no movies based on the classic DC universe to preview at this year’s Comic-Con.

Warner has scripts it likes for “Justice League: Mortal,” which teams up classic DC characters, and “Green Lantern.” “Justice League” was close to getting a greenlight until the writers strike hit, and “Green Lantern” has gained heat lately.

All plans, though, depend on the course the studio charts in its summit.

The studio is keeping details of its meetings under wraps, but issued a statement saying, in part, “We’re constantly looking at how best to exploit the DC Comics characters and properties.”

But Warner and DC have often appeared lethargic in getting comic properties developed into films, with only Batman and Superman established in movies. In fact, Warners watchers may feel a certain deja vu, though, with all this talk of giving DC more attention.

Five years ago, WB was getting ready to hire someone to kickstart its development on the DC characters (Variety, July 14-20, 2003). WB said then that it was aware it could lose an entire generation of fans if it didn’t get its characters into the movies. “We’re not going to let that happen,” said a senior VP.

Warners has long been the only studio home for DC heroes. It must pass on any DC character before it can be licensed to another studio, and Warner almost never passes. It keeps the characters in development. (One exception: Summit recently acquired rights to DC/Wildstorm’s “Red” — not one of the classic titles fans have been clamoring for.)

Many recall the painful development attempts to revive the Superman franchise, as handfuls of scribes, directors and stars came and went. Tim Burton and Nicolas Cage famously had pricey pay-or-play deals that the studio had to cover when “Superman Lives” bit the dust.

To be fair, Warners has not ignored its DC legacy: Besides “The Dark Knight,” “300” helmer Zach Snyder’s adaptation of DC’s seminal “Watchmen” is slated for winter release. And DC characters have been more successful than Marvel’s in TV, most recently with “Smallville.”

Yet this year, Warner Bros. has been unable to point to anyone at the studio with responsibility for overseeing the DC characters. While DC’s senior VP of creative affairs Gregory Noveck pegs Warners toppers Jeff Robinov and Alan Horn as “the ultimate decisionmakers,” they’re the decisionmakers for pretty much everything at the studio, and neither is in a position to dive into active development of the DC universe.

Besides “Green Lantern,” which Greg Berlanti is set to write and direct, DC characters that are known to be in line to become movies include Wonder Woman, which Joel Silver has long had in development; and the Flash, which has David Dobkin attached to direct. There has also been internet chatter about an Aquaman movie, much of it inspired by references in HBO’s “Entourage” to a faux James Cameron-helmed “Aquaman” pic.

[charl_huntress]

This is some pretty damn big news right here. I think we finally are going to get something after its over.

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117988775.html?categoryid=13&cs=1

Jeeze...this is certainly the news day...lol.

[GreenKToo]

Praise Jeebus. Bout fraking time.

[FlawlessVictory]

This is some pretty damn big news right here. I think we finally are going to get something after its over.

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117988775.html?categoryid=13&cs=1

Awesome, thanks! About time WB realized what they had!!

[Mister J]

I suppose at least they're making an effort. I wouldn't really have given them much credit for such prior to reading this. Hopefully, this thing bears some fruit.

[batman44]

Interesting. Hopefully we'll hear something soon on not just Superman but other DC character properties.

[Superark]

Interesting read. I hope the give their characters some good films of their own

[GreenKToo]

We can only hope.
G.L. alone has trilogy written all over it.

[FlawlessVictory]

There is only one reason this meeting is even taking place:


:im:

[smoothbody]

HOPEFULLY singer get's his walking papers!! be gone

[GreenKToo]

There is only one reason this meeting is even taking place:


:im:
:bow: :bow: :bow:

[Lighthouse]

Isn't it interesting that they don't once mention Superman Returns? Even when the article talked about the Superman franchise??

[Ita-KalEl]

They relaunched their best sh franchises with two movies able to do more than 200m in the US. Now one of them is going to be a box office monster.
If someone is asking why they are wasting all this time to plan the sequels and the new movies for the other franchises, it's normal.

[Superark]

There is only one reason this meeting is even taking place:


:im:

Probably true

[FlawlessVictory]

Isn't it interesting that they don't once mention Superman Returns?

I did notice that. There is no mention of Batman Begins either, so one would think that crosses each other out. But you do have TDK mentioned and this article is basically about what WB plans on producing for the future in regards to superhero films. Why not mention that MOS is in the cards for the studio? :huh:

[I Am The Knight]

Interesting article. Hopefully they get GL, WW and The Flash rolling!

[Superark]

I think The Flash is their next most bankable franchise. I'd get that one rolling ASAP

[charl_huntress]

I only hope this summit results in someone actually being appointed to direct this grand venture. I remember WB not keeping a few of their promises in the past, and it would be a shame if they didn't keep this one :(

[Showtime]

This is certainly great news for DC fans.

It must mean because Variety didn't mention it, that the executives aren't going to talk about Superman Returns...

:sarcasm:

[Superark]

I'd like to be a fly on the wall in that room

[I Am The Knight]

I'd like to be a fly on the wall in that room

Yeah, you and GreenKToo. :grin:

[Lighthouse]

This is certainly great news for DC fans.

It must mean because Variety didn't mention it, that the executives aren't going to talk about Superman Returns...

:sarcasm:

I just said it was interesting Showtime, not that it meant they won't make it.

[Lighthouse]

Damn double posts. The Hype is certainly taking a big dump today.

[FlawlessVictory]

I'd like to be a fly on the wall in that room

Yea, that could be scary though, WB execs talking DC live action superhero projects. I can only imagine the asinine comments that will be said in there. I think the meetings will end with some exec thinking he is a genius for suggesting Will Ferrell for Green Lantern. :csad:

[Superark]

Yea, that could be scary though, WB execs talking DC live action superhero projects. I can only imagine the asinine comments that will be said in there. I think the meetings will end with some exec thinking he is a genius for suggesting Will Ferrell for Green Lantern. :csad:

Haha! I can just see it, "Jack Black as Wally West!"

[Showtime]

Superman Returns Sequel, Superman Reboot, or no Superman at all, this is a really refreshing and positive step for WB/DC to take. They really need to come out of that room sweat and exhausted from throwing around ideas.

[FlawlessVictory]

Haha! I can just see it, "Jack Black as Wally West!"

LOL, yup. You do know Jack Black was seriously attached to GL at one time right?

[Showtime]

I just said it was interesting Showtime, not that it meant they won't make it.

I guess I wasn't interested. :oldrazz:

Damn double posts. The Hype is certainly taking a big dump today.

Blame it on the Batfans.

[FlawlessVictory]

Superman Returns Sequel, Superman Reboot, or no Superman at all, this is a really refreshing and positive step for WB/DC to take. They really need to come out of that room sweat and exhausted from throwing around ideas.

I agree but I can't give them too much credit. They still didn't realize what they had on their own. It took Marvel Studios kicking ass with Iron Man for WB to seriously open up their eyes. But, whatever the reason, it is nice to hear there is movement.

[Showtime]

Well we don't know if that is the case, this could have been planned for a long time, unless I missed something about it in the article pertaining to your theory.

[I Am The Knight]

It could all be PR stuff. Who knows. I'm praying for actual movement on DC films though. It's about time dammitt!!

[Superark]

LOL, yup. You do know Jack Black was seriously attached to GL at one time right?

I'm at a lost for words

[FlawlessVictory]

Well we don't know if that is the case, this could have been planned for a long time, unless I missed something about it in the article pertaining to your theory.

Nah, you're right, it's just a theory. But the timing seems pretty convenient. Then again, JLA was planned before the success of IM and perhaps this meeting is to address the supposed collapse of the JLA film and how to move forward with the solo characters. I'm sure all that will be thrown around.

[FlawlessVictory]

I'm at a lost for words

I wish I was kidding. :csad:

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/news/articles/3104.asp

[charl_huntress]

I wish I was kidding. :csad:

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/news/articles/3104.asp

I"m glad that someone at least told him that folks were mad that he might play GL because that might have turned me into a Marvel fan...Yeah...I think it would have done that.

[Superark]

I wish I was kidding. :csad:

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/news/articles/3104.asp


I wonder what goof wrote a GL script for him. At least Black acknowledged that people did not wanna see him in the role.

[bunk]

I just hope they make good choices as far as talent and creative teams. Also, they should be shooting for a more interwoven universe like Marvel.

[Superman-Prime]

I want the sequel of Superman Returns... :(

[charl_huntress]

I want the sequel of Superman Returns... :(

Looks like you'll get it...at least from appearances :grin:

[watchmen623]

This is only 10 years too late. Still, they gotta start somewhere.

[Superark]

Well it is nice to know that they seemingly want to make the best of their DC characters.

Gosling for Aquaman!

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Hopefully we well get Flash and GL (white or black version) movies some time before I die, hopefully of old age. I also would like said movie's to have action scenes in them.

[Superark]

If they do Flash, I'd like to see the Barry Allen

GL, you gotta go with Hal Jordan

[TheComicbookKid]

Just say something already. We still don't actually know anything about where they are with GL, Superman, or Shazam. Dobkins said Flash hasn't even started to be written yet, jeez. And Segal said they are waiting for August to get back to them for another draft. Did Guggenheim turn in the first draft of GL or not?

[Lighthouse]

I guess I wasn't interested. :oldrazz:

I only mention it because they don't make any mention of MOS, not only because its supposedly going to start filming next year, but its also one of the only two established franchises WB has right now, and it doesn't mention MOS at all.

[Ita-KalEl]

I only mention it because they don't make any mention of MOS, not only because its supposedly going to start filming next year, but its also one of the only two established franchises WB has right now, and it doesn't mention MOS at all.

MOS isn't mentioned because the article is about the problem that at WB they don't know how to use their franchises.
It's clear that Superman is part of their strategy...

[TheComicbookKid]

I only mention it because they don't make any mention of MOS, not only because its supposedly going to start filming next year, but its also one of the only two established franchises WB has right now, and it doesn't mention MOS at all.

I guess you can look at it two ways.

1. The article doesn't mention it because the WB doesn't want people to think MOS is part of the problem. No more bad publicity if an announcement is coming.

2. The WB still hasn't finalized itself about MOS and is waiting til the last second like JL.

[Delete]

I only mention it because they don't make any mention of MOS, not only because its supposedly going to start filming next year, but its also one of the only two established franchises WB has right now, and it doesn't mention MOS at all.

Don't you need more than one movie to be a franchise. Really, Batman is the only thing they got. They better not do anything in this meeting to annoy Bale or Nolan.

[Ita-KalEl]

I guess you can look at it two ways.

1. The article doesn't mention it because the WB doesn't want people to think MOS is part of the problem. No more bad publicity if an announcement is coming.

2. The WB still hasn't finalized itself about MOS and is waiting til the last second like JL.

Two good points, expecially because IMO we are still speculating that the SR's box office was the worst possible. There is even the possibility that someone at WB think that it was at least a decent result.

There isn't any confirmation that the MOS can't be a great success like TDK.
We are speculating it only because this forum there are people that criticize the movie. But TIH has recently showed that a united fanbase means nothing for the success of a movie.

[SatEL]

Superman Returns Sequel, Superman Reboot, or no Superman at all, this is a really refreshing and positive step for WB/DC to take. They really need to come out of that room sweat and exhausted from throwing around ideas.

You get a bunch of morons in a room and the only idea's they are going to be throwing around is moron ideas. The only hope is the DC team who can tell them how vital it is to stick with the source material.

[SatEL]

LOL, yup. You do know Jack Black was seriously attached to GL at one time right?

Kilowog for the win.




























































































I kid.:oldrazz:

[TheComicbookKid]

There isn't any confirmation that the MOS can't be a great success like TDK.
We are speculating it only because this forum there are people that criticize the movie. But TIH has recently showed that a united fanbase means nothing for the success of a movie.

Let's be real. MOS has a much tougher road in front of it. 220 is the max I can see for a sequel.

If it wasn't for my personal belief in the character of Superman's popularity, I'd agree that it wouldn't be financially worth it to risk a sequel dispite my love of SR.

And Marvel shafted Hulk ( not that I think the character is that popular in the first place) in the rear in favor of Iron Man. We didn't even get a trailer until like March. Hulk's shortcomings is Marvel's fault alone.

[Ita-KalEl]

Let's be real. MOS has a much tougher road in front of it. 220 is the max I can see for a sequel.

If it wasn't for my personal belief in the character of Superman's popularity, I'd agree that it wouldn't be financially worth it to risk a sequel dispite my love of SR.

And Marvel shafted Hulk ( not that I think the character is that popular in the first place) in the rear in favor of Iron Man. We didn't even get a trailer until like March. Hulk's shortcomings is Marvel's fault alone.

I don't know. It depends by the marketing. I doubt that at WB someone thinks that Superman doesn't deserve anymore any credit.

[dark_b]

Let's be real. MOS has a much tougher road in front of it. 220 is the max I can see for a sequel.

If it wasn't for my personal belief in the character of Superman's popularity, I'd agree that it wouldn't be financially worth it to risk a sequel dispite my love of SR.

And Marvel shafted Hulk ( not that I think the character is that popular in the first place) in the rear in favor of Iron Man. We didn't even get a trailer until like March. Hulk's shortcomings is Marvel's fault alone.we are talking here about the US marketing. the europe marketing is always the same. and worldwide it also didnt break any records.
its not just marvels fault.

[Ultimate_Superman]

The thing is I see them talking more about GL, Wonder Woman, Flash and Captain Marvel and Justice League and Green Arrow then Superman and Batman. I mean Superman and Batman are already established however I do think they might have DC come in and give their input on how to better both those two heroes but I see DC being more hands on with their other properties and becoming more hands on with the thrid Batman movie and thrid Superman movie (I say third Superman movie because they are now doing casting for Man Of Steel which means the script is down and everything is moving forward on it).

[Superfreak]

Praise Jeebus. Bout fraking time.

damn ****ing right.... as if they had to have a major meeting to hammer this all out. God, I swear everything I just read was common sense conclusions, that should have been realized well before BB even came out, and kick started WB's 'new generation' superhero movies.

[GreenKToo]

I've read numerous posts over the last couple of years that wished for W.B. to do this. Mine included.

[Superfreak]

I've read numerous posts over the last couple of years that wished for W.B. to do this. Mine included.

I was more along the lines of: this should have already been in their heads around 2000. Why a decade late? Moreover, did this stuff really need a meeting. They could have had any number of comicbookfilm nerds hammer out an outline for them.

[FlawlessVictory]

The thing is I see them talking more about GL, Wonder Woman, Flash and Captain Marvel and Justice League and Green Arrow then Superman and Batman. I mean Superman and Batman are already established however I do think they might have DC come in and give their input on how to better both those two heroes but I see DC being more hands on with their other properties and becoming more hands on with the thrid Batman movie and thrid Superman movie (I say third Superman movie because they are now doing casting for Man Of Steel which means the script is down and everything is moving forward on it).

Why on Earth would DC become more hands on with the third Batman movie? :huh: That franchise is gold right now and Nolan knows what he is doing unlike Singer with the Superman franchise. TDK is looking to be an absolute juggernaut both critically and at the BO. Nolan already has Goyer and perhaps he will bring in another consultant in the same capacity he did with Jerry Robinson but outside of that, there is no reason whatsoever to even think about tinkering with Nolan's franchise. If it aint broke, don't fix it. Singer's Superman needs the added DC help, not Nolan's Batman.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Why on Earth would DC become more hands on with the third Batman movie? :huh: That franchise is gold right now and Nolan knows what he is doing unlike Singer with the Superman franchise. TDK is looking to be an absolute juggernaut both critically and at the BO. Nolan already has Goyer and perhaps he will bring in another consultant in the same capacity he did with Jerry Robinson but outside of that, there is no reason whatsoever to even think about tinkering with Nolan's franchise. If it aint broke, don't fix it. Singer's Superman needs the added DC help, not Nolan's Batman.I say Nolan's Batman because at the same time you need to look into the future when Nolan leaves and how to sync up his Batman with the rest of the DCU right now you can sync it up with Singer's Superman barely but in order to do it with the rest of the DCU DC might need to get more involed. Also Singer's Superman movies wasn't that bad and in need of that much help really. You know if Man of Steel turns out to be this huge box office hit still following off of Singer's theme I have a funny feeling people's tune will change about Superman Returns and Singer just like how it did with X-Men. I mean with the first X-Men movie people had their doubts about Singer been when the second movie came out and you saw how both linked up people changed their tune real quick and I have a feeling the same will be said with this series.

[Showtime]

Nah, you're right, it's just a theory. But the timing seems pretty convenient. Then again, JLA was planned before the success of IM and perhaps this meeting is to address the supposed collapse of the JLA film and how to move forward with the solo characters. I'm sure all that will be thrown around.

I'm sure it will all be thrown around, should be interesting.

I only mention it because they don't make any mention of MOS, not only because its supposedly going to start filming next year, but its also one of the only two established franchises WB has right now, and it doesn't mention MOS at all.

I'm not sure why Variety not mentioning it is interesting, if WB doesn't mention it at the meetings, then that is interesting.

You get a bunch of morons in a room and the only idea's they are going to be throwing around is moron ideas. The only hope is the DC team who can tell them how vital it is to stick with the source material.

Here's to hoping.

[DavidTyler]

Yeah.. Maybe the DC staff can pull the Hollywood suits out of the 1930's. It's almost like Hollywood thinks the characters haven't changed with the times.

[Dark Knight]

To me this would be a good way to tie in MOS in 2010 and Nolans 3rd Bat film in hopefully 2011.

There are ways. Instead of thinking there is no way...try and find a way.

You use Bales Batman as more the detective and investigator who is doing more of the mysterious behind the scenes work in the JL film. For instance at the ending of the 3rd Nolan Bat trilogy in 2011...Gordon can say something to Batman that he heard a certain reporter from Metropolis named Clark Kent would like to interview Bruce Wayne. Bam....the the general movie audience and fans would love it! Then in the beginning of the JL film in 2012....the filmmakers can already establish from that "interview" they figured out eachothers identities and that was Supermans way to reach out to Batman for help against a "large" threat to Earth (perhaps Darkseid or the White Martians) that was insinuated at the end of MOS.

Get it?

[Sawyer]

Interesting. Hopefully we'll hear something soon on not just Superman but other DC character properties.

And hopefully it doesnt involve anyone by the names of DJ Cotrona or Armie Hammer...

[RobinWB]

LOL! it would be cool if Justice Leauge was announced, and TOM WELLING WAS ANNOUNCED AS SUPES!!

[Showtime]

Cool...but not happening.

[RobinWB]

you dont know that unless your part of Ms cleo and her psychic friends!lol:whatever:

[C. Lee]

you dont know that unless your part of Ms cleo and her psychic friends!lol:whatever:

Please read more threads before you make snappy comments about people. Get to know who they are first.

[Ita-KalEl]

I'm not sure why Variety not mentioning it is interesting, if WB doesn't mention it at the meetings, then that is interesting.

It's interesting indeed, but my experience tells me that when Variety talks about something, we don't have to read between the lines. I remember when they wrote that the flight scene of the Iron Man trailer wouldn't have been in the movie. There was a mega debate about why Iron Man doesn't fly in the movie. LOL

In the article Superman isn't mentioned, but there isn't even a bad word about Superman Returns. Using the logic if at WB they want to plan a strategy for their sh franchises, it's a sure bet that Superman will be part of it.

[Showtime]

you dont know that unless your part of Ms cleo and her psychic friends!lol:whatever:

It would be a little strange for WB to bring back the Smallville JL for next season with Tom Welling and then have a Justice League on screen with different actors and Tom Welling. I don't need Ms Cleo to tell me that. :cwink:

[Showtime]

Please read more threads before you make snappy comments about people. Get to know who they are first.

We are so misunderstood. :csad:

[RobinWB]

It would be a little strange for WB to bring back the Smallville JL for next season with Tom Welling and then have a Justice League on screen with different actors and Tom Welling. I don't need Ms Cleo to tell me that. :cwink:it could still be done, its not like there going into production right now! and there would be some continuity and familiarity! Many people didnt see Superman returns because they thought Routh's acting was wooden and monotone, and wanted Welling for Supes!!

[dark_b]

it could still be done, its not like there going into production right now! and there would be some continuity and familiarity! Many people didnt see Superman returns because they thought Routh's acting was wooden and monotone, and wanted Welling for Supes!!so those people didnt like Brandons acting in the trailer? because if they didnt see the movie then they couldnt know how brandon was. so they didnt like the whole movie based on a 2 minute trailer.
:huh:

[Showtime]

it could still be done, its not like there going into production right now! and there would be some continuity and familiarity! Many people didnt see Superman returns because they thought Routh's acting was wooden and monotone, and wanted Welling for Supes!!

Could be done, but won't be done. It isn't in the cards right now.

[Freddy_Krueger]

it could still be done, its not like there going into production right now! and there would be some continuity and familiarity! Many people didnt see Superman returns because they thought Routh's acting was wooden and monotone, and wanted Welling for Supes!!

The people that didn't see Superman Returns (in theaters) didn't see it because it didn't particularly interest them. It had nothing to do with Brandon Routh's acting ability.

[I Am The Knight]

it could still be done, its not like there going into production right now! and there would be some continuity and familiarity! Many people didnt see Superman returns because they thought Routh's acting was wooden and monotone, and wanted Welling for Supes!!

Yeah, those Smallville fanboys probably boycotted the movie because their boy wasn't in it.

[dsfjr1190]

They want someone who can't act for Supes? I say keep Routh, but reboot the series.

[Showtime]

If WB chooses a reboot, Routh will not be involved.

[AragornKing1]

If WB chooses a reboot, Routh will not be involved.

So Show, is the fact that WB and DC lose the rights to Superman in 2013 one reason as to why they're not doing a reboot?

[DavidTyler]

If WB chooses a reboot, Routh will not be involved.

And I'd be fine with that. Routh wasn't given a lot to work with but that only means we don't know what he could do with a good script. I would regret not having Spacey afforded the opportunity to play Lexcorp Lex though. I think he would nail it ...but I would prefer a total reboot over continuing with this Singer/Donner hybrid.

[Showtime]

So Show, is the fact that WB and DC lose the rights to Superman in 2013 one reason as to why they're not doing a reboot?

I really have no idea.

And I'd be fine with that. Routh wasn't given a lot to work with but that only means we don't know what he could do with a good script. I would regret not having Spacey afforded the opportunity to play Lexcorp Lex though. I think he would nail it ...but I would prefer a total reboot over continuing with this Singer/Donner hybrid.

A lot of people agree. I just want to be able to enjoy another Superman movie.

[charl_huntress]

And I'd be fine with that. Routh wasn't given a lot to work with but that only means we don't know what he could do with a good script. I would regret not having Spacey afforded the opportunity to play Lexcorp Lex though. I think he would nail it ...but I would prefer a total reboot over continuing with this Singer/Donner hybrid.

:up:

Though I won't go an see any SR sequel, I'll be there for the reboot.

[charl_huntress]

A lot of people agree. I just want to be able to enjoy another Superman movie.

If you enjoyed the first, which I know you did, then I put the SR sequel will be right up your alley :cwink:

[Showtime]

If you enjoyed the first, which I know you did, then I put the SR sequel will be right up your alley :cwink:

Maybe, I might not. I loved Spiderman and Spiderman 2, hated the 3rd. How can you know either way until it happens? I would want to enjoy any Superman movie that is made, but you can't know if you will until you see it.

[charl_huntress]

Maybe, I might not. I loved Spiderman and Spiderman 2, hated the 3rd. How can you know either way until it happens? I would want to enjoy any Superman movie that is made, but you can't know if you will until you see it.

I just have a feeling that if it happens (seems that way) then you will probably enjoy it immensely.

[Mikelus]

This whole SR sequel soap opera is getting ridiculous, what the hell is WB waiting to make a final decision? They don't know what they want, one day is JL going forward, then is SR, then is JL again, then back to SR.....enough!! Either way, I'm not losing any sleep because of it. :word:

[AragornKing1]

This whole SR sequel soap opera is getting ridiculous, what the hell is WB waiting to make a final decision? They don't know what they want, one day is JL going forward, then is SR, then is JL again, then back to SR.....enough!! Either way, I'm not losing any sleep because of it. :word:

Well, from the sounds of things, it seems that WB had plans to do a sequel to Superman Returns for months. :cwink:

[charl_huntress]

Well, from the sounds of things, it seems that WB had plans to do a sequel to Superman Returns for months. :cwink:

Then why shop for a reinvention or listen to other ideas and different pitches?

At this point, I would just like something official. Does anyone know, or have you heard, anything about prominent DC panels at SDCC. I wasn't really planning on attending any this year, but maybe some industrious soul will ask a question about Superman...

[AragornKing1]

Then why shop for a reinvention or listen to other ideas and different pitches?

At this point, I would just like something official. Does anyone know, or have you heard, anything about prominent DC panels at SDCC. I wasn't really planning on attending any this year, but maybe some industrious soul will ask a question about Superman...


Well, we don't really know if they really are listening to other ideas or different pitches. The only insiders saying that are Steve and Jayne from SaveSuperman.com but Steve doesn't seem very convinced now and always changes his words around, but what do I know. As for DC panels, there will be one for Smallville and I think Superman comic book panels, and of course for Watchmen, but that's it I think. :yay:









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[charl_huntress]

Well, we don't really know if they really are listening to other ideas or different pitches. The only insiders saying that are Steve and Jayne from SaveSuperman.com but Steve doesn't seem very convinced now and always changes his words around, but what do I know. As for DC panels, there will be one for Smallville and I think Superman comic book panels, and of course for Watchmen, but that's it I think. :yay:


Does anyone know if Bruce Timm will be there? I don't want to talk to Synder if he's there. Are there any animation panels? LOL...I could go to the site and find this out, but I figure someone here has to know :yay:

Anyway, what was the LL post all about, Aragorn? Regardless, we will have to wait for something official until it's totally settled and the ink is dry.

[AragornKing1]

Does anyone know if Bruce Timm will be there? I don't want to talk to Synder if he's there. Are there any animation panels? LOL...I could go to the site and find this out, but I figure someone here has to know :yay:

Anyway, what was the LL post all about, Aragorn? Regardless, we will have to wait for something official until it's totally settled and the ink is dry.

Well, yeah that's true, but I believe Showtime said that that Louis Leterrier comment was old and not current but ask Showtime. He would know these things, ha ha. :yay:

[Superman-Prime]

If WB chooses a reboot, Routh will not be involved.

If they do, I would shoot my head off.

LOL! it would be cool if Justice Leauge was announced, and TOM WELLING WAS ANNOUNCED AS SUPES!!

No.

If Welling becomes as Superman, I'll scream right at Warner Bros.

it could still be done, its not like there going into production right now! and there would be some continuity and familiarity! Many people didnt see Superman returns because they thought Routh's acting was wooden and monotone, and wanted Welling for Supes!!

Brandon Routh IS Superman.

Tom Welling IS NOT Superman.

Yeah, those Smallville fanboys probably boycotted the movie because their boy wasn't in it.

Their loss.

[charl_huntress]

Well, yeah that's true, but I believe Showtime said that that Louis Leterrier comment was old and not current but ask Showtime. He would know these things, ha ha. :yay:

I bet you would believe Showtime if he told you.... :cwink:

[AragornKing1]

I bet you would believe Showtime if he told you.... :cwink:

Well, yes because he is very credible. But when all the insiders, besides Steve and Jayne, are saying that a sequel is happening, I have to go with the majority. But that's just me. :cwink:

[charl_huntress]

lol

[Nixon]

Well, yeah that's true, but I believe Showtime said that that Louis Leterrier comment was old and not current but ask Showtime. He would know these things, ha ha. :yay:

Leterrier himself said that comment wasn't nearly the deal that everybody was making it out to be over on that AICN talkback.

And really, I mean, looking at the critical and commercial reaction people are having to the Hulk; fanboygasm aside, I don't know that he'd necessarily be the go-to-guy for a franchise turn around.

[AragornKing1]

Leterrier himself said that comment wasn't nearly the deal that everybody was making it out to be over on that AICN talkback.

And really, I mean, looking at the critical and commercial reaction people are having to the Hulk; fanboygasm aside, I don't know that he'd necessarily be the go-to-guy for a franchise turn around.

Exactly. :cwink:

[AragornKing1]

lol


What's so funny? You don't find Showtime credible, or do you not want to accept the fact that a reboot is most likely not happening? :yay:

[charl_huntress]

What's so funny? You don't find Showtime credible, or do you not want to accept the fact that a reboot is most likely not happening? :yay:

I can accept a sequel. I have plans not to see it. However, your devotion is funny. That is what I was laughing at. God forbid Showtime ever be wrong or the information be incorrect and not pan out the way you want...I feel your little heart will be crushed :oldrazz:

[AragornKing1]

I can accept a sequel. I have plans not to see it. However, your devotion is funny. That is what I was laughing at. God forbid Showtime ever be wrong or the information be incorrect and not pan out the way you want...I feel your little heart will be crushed :oldrazz:


Oh no my friend. Like Showtime, I don't care if we get a reboot or a sequel to Superman Returns. I'm just going by my instincts, ha ha.:yay: Besides, WB and DC are losing the rights to Superman in 2013 so I don't think that there is any way for them to do a reboot, unless they do Steve's reboot trilogy idea, filming three Superman movies back to back to back.

[charl_huntress]

lol...

You are funny. Anyways, to get this back on track. I don't care if the SR sequel happens. I don't think it will do well if it does, and I really want a Supes cartoon more at this point.

WB needs to interest kids in this like they did with The Batman.

Superman needs a damn cartoon.

[AragornKing1]

lol


LOL, stop laughing dude. :oldrazz:

[charl_huntress]

you're funny man. You're like Showtime sychophant...

[Thunder Emperor]

Yeah, those Smallville fanboys probably boycotted the movie because their boy wasn't in it.

Mostly because the movie was a bastardization of an iconic character BY A director with no vision.

[AragornKing1]

you're funny man. You're like Showtime sychopant...


No I'm not. His info is more consistent than Steve's. Don't listen to Steve just because he's telling you what you want to hear. :cwink: If the sequel is announced after the release of The Dark Knight, I get to laugh at you.

[Lord Blackbolt]

lol...

You are funny. Anyways, to get this back on track. I don't care if the SR sequel happens. I don't think it will do well if it does, and I really want a Supes cartoon more at this point.

WB needs to interest kids in this like they did with The Batman.

Superman needs a damn cartoon.

Isn't that Legion of Superheroes show technically a Superman show?

[charl_huntress]

Isn't that Legion of Superheroes show technically a Superman show?

No, I can answer this defintively because I questioned every single one of the creators.

LOSH was never his show. It may have been his show at one point when it was Superboy and the LOSH, but the legal issues over Superman/Superboy changed that.

[charl_huntress]

No I'm not. His info is more consistent than Steve's. Don't listen to Steve just because he's telling you what you want to hear. :cwink: If the sequel is announced after the release of The Dark Knight, I get to laugh at you.

I don't listen to anyone named Steve, and I had never even heard of this Steve person before you kept mentioning him. I'm just laughing at your Showtime "love". You two should hook up...:oldrazz:
Get a damn room so he can tell you all his secrets.... :cwink:

Like I've said before, I will not see the sequel if it happens, so that's that. You can't laugh at me if there is an official announcement because that's all I want...something official. However, I assure you I WILL LAUGH AT YOUR HYSTERICALLY if God forbid...Showtime's information doesn't pan out as correct :woot:

My thing is I've seen WB annouce at least three Superman movies in the past, and everything seemed legit, but nothing ever panned out. I can't see them being so hush on a sequel if they have "always" been planning to come out with one. Why the secrecy?

You know I want a reboot, but until the official stuff then this all still seems like speculation.

[C. Lee]

it could still be done, its not like there going into production right now! and there would be some continuity and familiarity! Many people didnt see Superman returns because they thought Routh's acting was wooden and monotone, and wanted Welling for Supes!!

I know of no one who didn't go see the movie because they thought Routh's acting was wooden....everyone who didn't go see it were either not interested in Superman, comics, the way the suit looked, etc.....

Routh was basicly a complete unknown....99.99% of the world didn't have a clue as to his acting ability.

[AragornKing1]

I don't listen to anyone named Steve, and I had never even heard of this Steve person before you kept mentioning him. I'm just laughing at your Showtime "love". You two should hook up...:oldrazz:
Get a damn room so he can tell you all his secrets.... :cwink:

Like I've said before, I will not see the sequel if it happens, so that's that. You can't laugh at me if there is an official announcement because that's all I want...something official. However, I assure you I WILL LAUGH AT YOUR HYSTERICALLY if God forbid...Showtime's information doesn't pan out as correct :woot:

My thing is I've seen WB annouce at least three Superman movies in the past, and everything seemed legit, but nothing ever panned out. I can't see them being so hush on a sequel if they have "always" been planning to come out with one. Why the secrecy?

You know I want a reboot, but until the official stuff then this all still seems like speculation.

LOL, you're funny too man. But yeah ok you're right. It's all speculation at this point that's true. And yes you get to laugh at me if Showtime turns out to be wrong...but it's not just Showtime that's saying this too. There's also Jett from BatmanOnFilm, FilmNerdJamie, and many other webmasters and writers that they're talking to. Not to mention that Excel on here also has an insider that mentions WB wants a Superman movie as their headliner in 2010, and it sounds like a sequel to Superman Returns. But it's all speculation until the an official announcement. :cwink:

[charl_huntress]

LOL, you're funny too man. But yeah ok you're right. It's all speculation at this point that's true. And yes you get to laugh at me if Showtime turns out to be wrong...but it's not just Showtime that's saying this too. There's also Jett from BatmanOnFilm, FilmNerdJamie, and many other webmasters and writers that they're talking to. Not to mention that Excel on here also has an insider that mentions WB wants a Superman movie as their headliner in 2010, and it sounds like a sequel to Superman Returns. But it's all speculation until the an official announcement. :cwink:

I won't laugh at you though :cwink:

I just feel like some of these folks, like your Steve and Jayne (whoever) are just as biased as everyone else, and I have worked in Hollywood and I do know **** changes with the wind.

I'm hoping someone answers about the SDCC panels. I usually hear good questions if someone is prepped. Plus, if they are really thinking of releasing this in 2010 then annoucing it NOW would be very smart.

[Spider-Fan]

This is good. WB needs a plan and to start actually using the characters they have to their advantage.

Yet another reason the creation of Marvel Studios has been so great...it is now going to breed competition, and competition will yield better, more consistant results (ideally of course).

[AragornKing1]

I won't laugh at you though :cwink:

I just feel like some of these folks, like your Steve and Jayne (whoever) are just as biased as everyone else, and I have worked in Hollywood and I do know **** changes with the wind.

I'm hoping someone answers about the SDCC panels. I usually hear good questions if someone is prepped. Plus, if they are really thinking of releasing this in 2010 then annoucing it NOW would be very smart.

Yep that's true. Changes happen all the time. But if the rumor is true, then an announcement will come after the release of The Dark Knight. So we have to be patient for a little longer. :cwink:

[charl_huntress]

Yep that's true. Changes happen all the time. But if the rumor is true, then an announcement will come after the release of The Dark Knight. So we have to be patient for a little longer. :cwink:

Didn't Showtime already tell you :cwink:

[TruerToTheCore]

We Superman fans will never a get a good movie. So sad :(

[Spider-Fan]

We Superman fans will never a get a good movie. So sad :(

My confidence in a sequel (especially from Singer) is slim to none also.

But years ago, we were given B&R, and it looked like Batman would never get a good movie again. Then, we got BB (I won't mention TDK, as I have not seen it).

So maybe Supes need to tank and be in limbo before we get another person like Donner who understands the material.

[charl_huntress]

I just hope this sequel produces a cartoon a la Batman Begins did for the The Batman.

le sigh...SR produced nothing tangible for the next generation of Superman fans...hopefully the SR sequel will :(

[Spider-Fan]

I just hope this sequel produces a cartoon a la Batman Begins did for the The Batman.

le sigh...SR produced nothing tangible for the next generation of Superman fans...hopefully the SR sequel will :(

I doubt it will...I am pretty much just waiting for the reboot that I will get eventually...I don't care how long it takes!

[AragornKing1]

Didn't Showtime already tell you :cwink:

Nope, some insider from BlueTights.net said that and posted it all over the Superman forums. :cwink:

[charl_huntress]

Nope, some insider from BlueTights.net said that and posted it all over the Superman forums. :cwink:

lol

[charl_huntress]

I doubt it will...I am pretty much just waiting for the reboot that I will get eventually...I don't care how long it takes!

That's why I want to see about DC animation panels. Are you fricking telling me that DC wants to put out a movie in 2010 and they have no cartoons...no other sort of focus for Supes?

SR couldn't even produce a fully realized cartoon. We got the sucky ass LOSH, and two cameo apperances on The Batman.

:down:down:down:down

[Spider-Fan]

That's why I want to see about DC animation panels. Are you fricking telling me that DC wants to put out a movie in 2010 and they have no cartoons...no other sort of focus for Supes?

SR couldn't even produce a fully realized cartoon. We got the sucky ass LOSH, and two cameo apperances on The Batman.

:down:down:down:down

I just don't know how interested in another Supes cartoon they are. We've seen WB is ever eager to do ANYTHING for Batman, not sure for Supes. They should have made one during SR's run.

I wish I knew what WB is thinking.

[charl_huntress]

I just don't know how interested in another Supes cartoon they are. We've seen WB is ever eager to do ANYTHING for Batman, not sure for Supes. They should have made one during SR's run.

I wish I knew what WB is thinking.

They tried to...but they couldn't. Believe me they wanted to...but they couldn't.

BB has pre-laid plans for a cartoon. Supes....well...he got BSinger, and no cartoon.

[Nixon]

Why couldn't they?

And The Batman was on the go a year before Batman Begins was in theatres so it's unlikely it was a product of the success of that movie.

[charl_huntress]

Why couldn't they?

And The Batman was on the go a year before Batman Begins was in theatres so it's unlikely it was a product of the success of that movie.

Originally the show was to be Superboy and LOSH and it was to be a Supes show with the LOSH featuring in when they called him. However, the lawsuit changed that, and they changed the show. It happened very early so it wasn't that big of deal. I talked to Tucker at SDCC and he said that DC put a kibosh (sp) on the cartoon mania because they had no idea what Singer was going to do.

Hence...Singer is the reason we have no cartoons.

edit:

BB had pre-laid plans for a cartoon. DC wanted a cartoon for that movie. It was a different scenario with Singer.

[Nixon]

Yeah, I'm still failing to see how any of that is Bryan Singer's fault.

Given how well it ties into Batman Begins (not very) and the fact that it aired a full year before the movie came out I can't imagine the they did too much talking to Nolan before ramping out The Batman.

It just seems like some odd reasoning to not do a show because they didn't know exactly what Singer had planned; if the WB really wanted a Superman cartoon, they could've had one regardless of Bryan Singer's plans. Or, you know, they could've just asked him what those plans were. Or read his treatment for the story.

[charl_huntress]

They wanted one that tied in to the movie like The Batman which is clearly a show about young Bruce Wayne just becoming Batman....uh...sort of like Batman Begins.

Can you not see the kiddie marketing that is there...and strangely. The only problem I had with that show was their depiction of the Joker. I thought he was too cruel in comparison to BTAS and BNAS. Yet...we get a all new Joker sort of like the one in the show...hmmm

edit:

DC put the kibosh down on a lot of DC stuff in relation to BSinger. Smallville couldn't do anything with Lois because of SR. JL/JLU couldn't reveal Superman's identity to Lois because of SR. The list is endless my friend of all the things that were STOPPED because of BSinger.

[Nixon]

No I get that they wanted a tie in show, what I don't get is why they didn't think to just ask Bryan Singer what was going on if they wanted one so badly and why it's his fault that they didn't do that.

[charl_huntress]

No I get that they wanted a tie in show, what I don't get is why they didn't think to just ask Bryan Singer what was going on if they wanted one so badly and why it's his fault that they didn't do that.

Well...we did get a cartoon...sort of...just not based on anything in SR :whatever:

[Nixon]

That eyeroll is great, but it still doesn't answer my question about how it's Bryan Singer's fault thye didn't make a straight-up Superman cartoon.

[RobinWB]

Mostly because the movie was a bastardization of an iconic character BY A director with no vision. Totally Agree Singer is dull and Garbage and Nolan is not to far off from him!

[charl_huntress]

I was rolling my eyes at the LOSH premise...not you :)

It's his fault because he didn't make a good movie.... :)

Seriously, when I asked this question the way interpreted the response that DC was putting a lot of credence in Singer's vision, and they didn't want any other interpretations to play havoc with Superman Returns. Now, I don't know if Singer is directly to blame, but his vision of Superman is the reason we don't have a full out Sueprman cartoon.

[Nixon]

Wow, so rare that you meet someone who dislikes them both.

What did you dislike about Nolan's Batman?

[storyteller]

About time, its kinda sad that the only jewel to show is smallville(terrible superman show). The wb really been slow on the superhero thing. marvel got 2 films out just this year on their own. Marvel has had trilogies. Darkhorse has planted its feet. The wb should really try to get a few films out next year. If they start production at the end of the year they could have a few films out by late 2009.

[RobinWB]

Maybe, I might not. I loved Spiderman and Spiderman 2, hated the 3rd. How can you know either way until it happens? I would want to enjoy any Superman movie that is made, but you can't know if you will until you see it. show do you know for sure if its going to be a reboot??

[RobinWB]

Wow, so rare that you meet someone who dislikes them both.

What did you dislike about Nolan's Batman? i cant stand his realism stance on every thing to the point, of changing characters to his vision! just like Bryan Moron singer! im all fine with a dark batman, but when you start ruling out charcaters because they dont fit into your realistic "universe" (ugh) your being arrogant egotistical Unimaginative and stupid!

[Lord Blackbolt]

They could base a cartoon on Singers Superman movie....but it would suck...wanna know why...

It would probably be about Superman and his bastard kid with superpowers going on adventures together. Just like that crappy Mummy cartoon that came after the movie

[charl_huntress]

^^Hence the reason we have no cartoon.

[Nixon]

I was rolling my eyes at the LOSH premise...not you :)

It's his fault because he didn't make a good movie.... :)

Seriously, when I asked this question the way interpreted the response that DC was putting a lot of credence in Singer's vision, and they didn't want any other interpretations to play havoc with Superman Returns. Now, I don't know if Singer is directly to blame, but his vision of Superman is the reason we don't have a full out Sueprman cartoon.

If they didn't want anything else to play havoc with his vision then why let Smallville keep running?

If they wanted something to tie closely into his vision why not ask him what that vision is? It's not like he didn't have an idea of what he wanted to do when he was hired on. It's not like he disappeared for a year and a half without telling anyone what he was doing only to then show up with some film cans.

Something doesn't make sense.

[Nixon]

They could base a cartoon on Singers Superman movie....but it would suck...wanna know why...

It would probably be about Superman and his bastard kid with superpowers going on adventures together. Just like that crappy Mummy cartoon that came after the movie

^^Hence the reason we have no cartoon.


The reason we don't have a cartoon is because Bryan Singer made a movie that Lord Blackbolt didn't like?

[charl_huntress]

If they didn't want anything else to play havoc with his vision then why let Smallville keep running?

If they wanted something to tie closely into his vision why not ask him what that vision is? It's not like he didn't have an idea of what he wanted to do when he was hired on. It's not like he disappeared for a year and a half without telling anyone what he was doing only to then show up with some film cans.

Something doesn't make sense.

Smallville doesn't really mess with SR. However, there are serious restrictions on the usage of Lois and some other characters that are important to the later "Superman" mythos, which is what Singer's vision was all about. Those characters couldn't do certain things because of SR. I don't know if this still applies, but it was heavily in-effect and is known as the Superman-embargo. The same damn thing happened with JL/JLU and the Batman-embargo.

They wanted something to tie-in...they tried to get something to tie-in. Singer's vision wasn't appropo to a cartoon. That's kind of the point, but I will not say anyone in the know has directly said that....I think it was kind of implied :cwink:

[RobinWB]

They could base a cartoon on Singers Superman movie....but it would suck...wanna know why...

It would probably be about Superman and his bastard kid with superpowers going on adventures together. Just like that crappy Mummy cartoon that came after the movie LOL! too true which is wahy any Sequel to supermna RETURNS WOULD BE COMPLETE GARBAGE AS WELL!!! TOTAL REBOOT!!

[nintendo nerd]

LOL! too true which is wahy any Sequel to supermna RETURNS WOULD BE COMPLETE GARBAGE AS WELL!!! TOTAL REBOOT!!

Yes, let's make a JL movie with Welling, Supergirl, Krypto and all the Sper friends. And the new Batman movie could be like this:

http://www.geocities.com/sshumsuper7fan78/batmanbatmite2lg.jpg

[nintendo nerd]

If they didn't want anything else to play havoc with his vision then why let Smallville keep running?

If they wanted something to tie closely into his vision why not ask him what that vision is? It's not like he didn't have an idea of what he wanted to do when he was hired on. It's not like he disappeared for a year and a half without telling anyone what he was doing only to then show up with some film cans.

Something doesn't make sense.

Don't mess with Lord Balckbolt. One day he insulted me on a very personal way.

[Nixon]

Smallville doesn't really mess with SR. However, there are serious restrictions on the usage of Lois and some other characters that are important to the later "Superman" mythos, which is what Singer's vision was all about. Those characters couldn't do certain things because of SR. I don't know if this still applies, but it was heavily in-effect and is known as the Superman-embargo. The same damn thing happened with JL/JLU and the Batman-embargo.

They wanted something to tie-in...they tried to get something to tie-in. Singer's vision wasn't appropo to a cartoon. That's kind of the point, but I will not say anyone in the know has directly said that....I think it was kind of implied :cwink:

Yeah, I think you're either reading between the lines wrong or the inner workings of WB are more messed up than anyone could've ever possibly imagined because that sort of thinking is retarded.

[charl_huntress]

Yeah, I think you're either reading between the lines wrong or the inner workings of WB are more messed up than anyone could've ever possibly imagined because that sort of thinking is retarded.

Really :whatever:

Now that eye roll was for you.

edit:

It's time to go see HB, but go read up on this in the animation boards at Toonzone and JL Animated. Oops, sorry JL Animated no more... just go to Toonzone.

[nintendo nerd]

Really :whatever:

Now that eye roll was for you.

:whatever::whatever::whatever::whatever:

[I Am The Knight]

Um, they could have made a cartoon exploring Superman's adventures prior to leaving and the events on SR...You know, filling the gap between STM and SR. It's not like it was impossible to come up with something.

[Lord Blackbolt]

The reason we don't have a cartoon is because Bryan Singer made a movie that Lord Blackbolt didn't like?

When did I say I didn't like Singers superman? I'm pretty indifferent on it. The movie lacked a lot of thought and plot IMO. It has a awesome premise that was totally and utterly messed up by hack writers. BUTTTT....I did like the look of the movie and just seeing superman on screen after so many years kind of made up for the crap writing. So I saw the movie at least 3 or 4 times....but each time I started to dislike it more and more....

All I'm saying is a cartoon based on the movie would totally SUCK. Adding a kid puts in a kiddy factor to a character that doesn't need more kiddy factor to it already cause he already has it. IMO...In a perfect world.....Richard Donner would have directed Superman 3...which would have had Brainiac...then End the series with Superman returns...with a older Chris Reeve and cast. Same plot as what was in the SR movie....and it would have actually worked more for me.

But everyone in the cast of Superman returns was too young. Routh was a great superman in the wrong superman movie. He should have been in a reboot, not the vague sequel...

[I Am The Knight]

Totally Agree Singer is dull and Garbage and Nolan is not to far off from him!

You hate both Singer AND Nolan?

There's no hope for ya. :oldrazz:

[Lord Blackbolt]

Yes, let's make a JL movie with Welling, Supergirl, Krypto and all the Sper friends. And the new Batman movie could be like this:

http://www.geocities.com/sshumsuper7fan78/batmanbatmite2lg.jpg


Batmite owns all

[FaT_tONle]

Totally Agree Singer is dull and Garbage and Nolan is not to far off from him!

Oh we know damn well what you'd prefer instead....

http://www.impawards.com/1987/posters/superman_iv.jpg

http://batman.ugo.com/images/galleries/batman_and_robin_filmtv/batman_and_robin_1.jpg










Then again you are right about Singer at least...

[Obi Wan Kenobi]

Not really impressed. So what WB is having a super hero summit after Marvel has handed them their asses this decade. Its still WB. I give them no credit for lucking up with the last 2 Batman films. It was pure luck they hired Nolan only after nearly destroying the franchise with goofy camp *****.

If they go ahead and green light a JLA film without Brandon Routh & Christian Bale I won't go see it. The movie would be confusing as hell & probably a complete flop. It will have camp written all over it. Batman & Robin.

[Showtime]

I just have a feeling that if it happens (seems that way) then you will probably enjoy it immensely.

I didn't enjoy Superman Returns immensely...so I probably won't enjoy a sequel immensely either...but how can I know.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

This thread became a madhouse. I had a good laugh.

[Nixon]

I'm still just trying to figure out how it's Bryan Singer's fault in any way that actually makes sense.

[I Am The Knight]

I'm still just trying to figure out how it's Bryan Singer's fault in any way that actually makes sense.

Batman's getting a new cartoon called The Brave and The Bold. Is that related to TDK? Somehow I don't think so... :oldrazz:

A Supermas cartoon pre-post SR was possible. WB just dropped the ball as usual.

[TruerToTheCore]

That's the reboot they are going to do. It's fresh & new.

http://www.dialbforblog.com/archives/314/st_origin2000.gif

[solidsnake86]

The more I think about this meeting its probably to address what they want to announce, if anything, after TDK comes out to keep the buzz going like marvel did with Iron Man.

[Nightwing1977]

The thing is I see them talking more about GL, Wonder Woman, Flash and Captain Marvel and Justice League and Green Arrow then Superman and Batman. I mean Superman and Batman are already established however I do think they might have DC come in and give their input on how to better both those two heroes but I see DC being more hands on with their other properties and becoming more hands on with the thrid Batman movie and thrid Superman movie (I say third Superman movie because they are now doing casting for Man Of Steel which means the script is down and everything is moving forward on it).

Same here. I'm curious on how the summit meeting is going so far.

Mostly because the movie was a bastardization of an iconic character BY A director with no vision.

No vision? I'm sorry, but making a film not done your way doesn't mean he have no vision. It just not your vision you share with him. Beside, you love Smallville & that is somewhat a bastardization of Superman with how Clark has long hair in high school when he didn't in the comic & cartoons. Not to mention they're using Doomsday already, when Clark never encounter him before he move to Metropolis & became Superman. Oh, the fact the actor playing Doomsday is just a skinny, tall guy. Yeah, Singer has no vision. :whatever:

This thread became a madhouse. I had a good laugh.

Stop laughing at us. :p :p

[Nightwing1977]

delete

[Superark]

I didn't enjoy Superman Returns immensely...so I probably won't enjoy a sequel immensely either...but how can I know.

Hey Show, since you've stated that they are currently writing a script for MOS, what have you heard about it? Not plot lines or anything, I mean have you heard whether it is shaping up to be a good one?

[Nixon]

Hey Show, since you've stated that they are currently writing a script for MOS, what have you heard about it? Not plot lines or anything, I mean have you heard whether it is shaping up to be a good one?


Show, along those lines, have you heard anything that cooberates this: //http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=15262192&postcount=120 (http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=15262192&postcount=120)

[Mostpowerful]

Same here. I'm curious on how the summit meeting is going so far.



No vision? I'm sorry, but making a film not done your way doesn't mean he have no vision. It just not your vision you share with him. Beside, you love Smallville & that is somewhat a bastardization of Superman with how Clark has long hair in high school when he didn't in the comic & cartoons. Not to mention they're using Doomsday already, when Clark never encounter him before he move to Metropolis & became Superman. Oh, the fact the actor playing Doomsday is just a skinny, tall guy. Yeah, Singer has no vision. :whatever:




Well said.

[mojo-x]

Same here. I'm curious on how the summit meeting is going so far.



No vision? I'm sorry, but making a film not done your way doesn't mean he have no vision. It just not your vision you share with him. Beside, you love Smallville & that is somewhat a bastardization of Superman with how Clark has long hair in high school when he didn't in the comic & cartoons. Not to mention they're using Doomsday already, when Clark never encounter him before he move to Metropolis & became Superman. Oh, the fact the actor playing Doomsday is just a skinny, tall guy. Yeah, Singer has no vision. :whatever:



Stop laughing at us. :p :p


I agree Singer has no vision when it comes to these types of movies. I mean everything in SR was so similar to STM that one could almost label it a remake. Then Singer said we was goanna go Wrath of Khan on the sequel , but if you compare X2 to WOK you can see that X2 is very similar, at least in structure and themes. I think Superman deserves some one who has his own vision and not some hack who just steals ideas form movies he grew up with.

[hippie_hunter]

I agree Singer has no vision when it comes to these types of movies. I mean everything in SR was so similar to STM that one could almost label it a remake. Then Singer said we was goanna go Wrath of Khan on the sequel , but if you compare X2 to WOK you can see that X2 is very similar, at least in structure and themes. I think Superman deserves some one who has his own vision and not some hack who just steals ideas form movies he grew up with.

Then you better not be reading the comics because Geoff Johns and James Robinson are doing the exact same thing with Superman on that front.

And :rolleyes: to the remake comment

[FaT_tONle]

So when is hell is this summit?

[Spider-Fan]

I agree Singer has no vision when it comes to these types of movies. I mean everything in SR was so similar to STM that one could almost label it a remake. Then Singer said we was goanna go Wrath of Khan on the sequel , but if you compare X2 to WOK you can see that X2 is very similar, at least in structure and themes. I think Superman deserves some one who has his own vision and not some hack who just steals ideas form movies he grew up with.

It's not a remake, it's a requel (both equally suck :down)

[Doright]

Same here. I'm curious on how the summit meeting is going so far.



No vision? I'm sorry, but making a film not done your way doesn't mean he have no vision. It just not your vision you share with him. Beside, you love Smallville & that is somewhat a bastardization of Superman with how Clark has long hair in high school when he didn't in the comic & cartoons. Not to mention they're using Doomsday already, when Clark never encounter him before he move to Metropolis & became Superman. Oh, the fact the actor playing Doomsday is just a skinny, tall guy. Yeah, Singer has no vision. :whatever:



Stop laughing at us. :p :p

I have heard and even share some complaints about smallville but the length of his hair compaired to the comics? :wow: oh wow... That is a new one I am totally going to have to remember. :hehe:

[dark_b]

I have heard and even share some complaints about smallville but the length of his hair compaired to the comics? :wow: oh wow... That is a new one I am totally going to have to remember. :hehe:well this is how SR was bashed through the whole year. every detail was important.

[SatEL]

I have heard and even share some complaints about smallville but the length of his hair compaired to the comics? :wow: oh wow... That is a new one I am totally going to have to remember. :hehe:

Well Routh didnt have Superman's Build and he has brown eyes, so a muscle suit and contact's had to suffice and dont you get me started on that suit.

[dark_b]

Well Routh didnt have Superman's Build and he has brown eyes, so a muscle suit and contact's had to suffice and dont you get me started on that suit.he also doesnt have the perfect body structure around the hips. but when a director is casting an actor he doesnt tell him: hey get naked so that i can see if you have the correct bone structure.

[GreenKToo]

So when is hell is this summit?
That's what i'm wondering. It can't happen soon enough as for as i'm concerned.

[Nixon]

One would think that it's happening now or has happened (how long do "summits" like this take on average?) so that they can have all their ducks in a row and ready to present in the wake of TDK's success this weekend.

[GreenKToo]

One would think that it's happening now or has happened (how long do "summits" like this take on average?) so that they can have all their ducks in a row and ready to present in the wake of TDK's success this weekend.
LOl. I have a image in my head of some W.B. exec. from there telling a D.C. guy what he thinks '' a G.L.'' is, and the D.C. guy doing this :whatever: in response.

[Nixon]

LOl. I have a image in my head of some W.B. exec. from there telling a D.C. guy what he thinks '' a G.L.'' is, and the D.C. guy doing this :whatever: in response.

Oh, quite possibly, but I think that's why the comic guys are there: to sell these concepts to the studio people. Because studio execs, when they decide to do these things, are usually doing it because they think it will make alot of money. They're not idiots for not sticking 100% to this or that character's mythology; they're just prioritizing what they think will make money over what they think will get 50,000 fanboys off. What those comic guys need to do, I think, is to show them that DC's got alot of characters (off the top of my head: The Question, Green Lantern, the Metal Men, the Flash, Hawkworld, Sandman Mystery Theatre, the new Blue Beetle, the new Manhunter) that could very easily do both.

[GreenKToo]

I think G.L. has the potential to be a trilogy. The Flash could easily be two films. Same with W.W.

IMVHO, *IF* W.B.'s priority is to one day have a J.L. film, then they should mention other characters in the individual films, or even have cameo's. Either go all out, or don't do it.

[Spider-Fan]

My bro had a great idea for two Flash movies, and I think 2 GL movies would work better than 3 (at least for Hal). But, GL is a series where the actor can be replaced from time to time by changing the Lantern. Sick of Hal, here's Guy Gardner! And so on.

I really wish I were in the business. I have several ideas for comic book franchises! But, no fame/talent to speak of :csad:

[I SEE SPIDEY]

My bro had a great idea for two Flash movies, and I think 2 GL movies would work better than 3 (at least for Hal). But, GL is a series where the actor can be replaced from time to time by changing the Lantern. Sick of Hal, here's Guy Gardner! And so on.

I really wish I were in the business. I have several ideas for comic book franchises! But, no fame/talent to speak of :csad::csad:

[GreenKToo]

I wonder how the summit went?

[X-Maniac]

So when is hell is this summit?

As far as i understand it, the summit is happening now. It's a series of meetings that have been taking place over the past two weeks and are continuing to take place.

[solidsnake86]

To have three movies is a tall order especially for the fact that the quality dips after the second. Many of the heroes just don't have villains that can hold up a third movie. Even after TDK what villains are going to top two-face and the joker. I agree with the flash and wonder woman being 2 films. Hopefully something comes out of this summit in regards to superman. I really think they can make an excellent sequel if they pull out all the stops.

[merced]

The article didn't mention plans for another Superman. Seemed more to ay WB is lookiong at its other characters to make into films.

Ironman is a little known character but formulat. Action, good script, great FX and known actors. That IMO is the key.

Flash or GL should be able to be equally huge if done right.

In any case no superhero film in 09 for WB. And Marvel marches on.

[merced]

I want the sequel of Superman Returns... :(

I don't think that is possible. Ironman, DK bing gargantuan this wekend. I think WB wants domestic numbers at 300 mil plus. The baggage around SR makes me think a sequel would struggle to pass 200 mil again.

[merced]

Let's be real. MOS has a much tougher road in front of it. 220 is the max I can see for a sequel.

If it wasn't for my personal belief in the character of Superman's popularity, I'd agree that it wouldn't be financially worth it to risk a sequel dispite my love of SR.

And Marvel shafted Hulk ( not that I think the character is that popular in the first place) in the rear in favor of Iron Man. We didn't even get a trailer until like March. Hulk's shortcomings is Marvel's fault alone.

I agree. A sequel is a huge risk. TDK did huge this wekend. And Ironman earlier.

I hope the message WB takes is that if they are going to do another Superman film they need to start from scratch and do something different and not seen before. The stars need to be fairly established/multi-talented actors IMO.

I am a Superman fan too but don't want a sequel. Forget the risk finacially. If it did so/so you can wave goodbye to the franchise.

WB had better do another Superman right or not at all IMO.

[TDK4EVER]

I really don't see how WB can continue on with Singer...especially after seeing TDK...

I just can't see the future of the Superman franchise being in the hands of Singer. I liked what Singer did with X1 and X2....but he totally blew his chance with Superman.

Superman deserves a new director and team........

and.....based on the prolonged "silence" on the part of WB re the future of the SR franchise......I have a feeling that, more and more, WB is thinking the same way.....

[FlawlessVictory]

Superman deserves a new director and team........

Superman deserves a better kind of director and hopefully WB is gonna give it to him. :hoboj:

[TDK4EVER]

hopefully......

hopefully....one day I will be able to see a Superman movie and say to myself...."Wow!! Now THAT'S how you make a SUPERMAN movie!!"

just as today, after seeing TDK, I said to myself....."Wow!! Now THAT'S how you make a BATMAN movie!!"

hopefully......some day.......that dream will come true.......

I just can't see Singer making it happen.........

[FlawlessVictory]

hopefully......

hopefully....one day I will be able to see a Superman movie and say to myself...."Wow!! Now THAT'S how you make a SUPERMAN movie!!"

just as today, after seeing TDK, I said to myself....."Wow!! Now THAT'S how you make a BATMAN movie!!"

hopefully......some day.......that dream will come true.......

I just can't see Singer making it happen.........

You and I are in complete agreement. After watching Iron Man and TDK this summer, I just think to myself, why can't Superman get that kind of treatment? :csad: And yes, with Singer at the helm, it just won't happen.

[TDK4EVER]

:(

I'm still speechless after watching TDK.........it was just so.......powerful....it was like....wow!

[Sam]

Superman deserves a better kind of director and hopefully WB is gonna give it to him. :hoboj:

Zack Snyder for Superman!

NOW!

Support my campaign! :)

[AragornKing1]

The article didn't mention plans for another Superman. Seemed more to ay WB is lookiong at its other characters to make into films.

Ironman is a little known character but formulat. Action, good script, great FX and known actors. That IMO is the key.

Flash or GL should be able to be equally huge if done right.

In any case no superhero film in 09 for WB. And Marvel marches on.

Actually, there is an article in Variety right now that mentions that WB and DC want Superman to fly again.

[merced]

Actually, there is an article in Variety right now that mentions that WB and DC want Superman to fly again.

Do you happen to have a link? I'd like to read it.

Financially it doesn't make sense to me. Unless WB beleives another Superman film can do Ironman numbers. Why? Because its not just that the rights go to the Siegals in 2013. If they prevail WB will owe them half the profit from every Superman film since 1999. That means SR and the sequel or the reboot. How is it worth their while to put up the money and take the risk of making another film before 2013 when the Siegals who put up no money and take no risks will get half the profit?

[GreenKToo]

Do you happen to have a link? I'd like to read it.

Financially it doesn't make sense to me. Unless WB beleives another Superman film can do Ironman numbers. Why? Because its not just that the rights go to the Siegals in 2013. If they prevail WB will owe them half the profit from every Superman film since 1999. That means SR and the sequel or the reboot. How is it worth their while to put up the money and take the risk of making another film before 2013 when the Siegals who put up no money and take no risks will get half the profit?
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117989192.html?categoryid=13&cs=1

Warner Bros. and DC want Superman to fly again, another Batman is a given, and individual pics for Wonder Woman, the Flash, Green Arrow and Green Lantern are being scripted. "Shazam!" was in the works at New Line.

[AragornKing1]

Do you happen to have a link? I'd like to read it.

Financially it doesn't make sense to me. Unless WB beleives another Superman film can do Ironman numbers. Why? Because its not just that the rights go to the Siegals in 2013. If they prevail WB will owe them half the profit from every Superman film since 1999. That means SR and the sequel or the reboot. How is it worth their while to put up the money and take the risk of making another film before 2013 when the Siegals who put up no money and take no risks will get half the profit?

I don't know. Maybe WB wants to make as much money off of one more Superman movie instead of just giving up and letting the next five years go by without making another Superman movie. Just type in Variety and go to the article titled something about the 2009 slate not being super or basically not having many superhero movies coming out next year. You can't miss it. It's on the left.

[AragornKing1]

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117989192.html?categoryid=13&cs=1
Warner Bros. and DC want Superman to fly again, another Batman is a given, and individual pics for Wonder Woman, the Flash, Green Arrow and Green Lantern are being scripted. "Shazam!" was in the works at New Line.

Thanks, GreenkToo. :yay:

[GreenKToo]

No prob.

[Mr. Socko]

After the success of TDK, I really hope Singer and WB get to Man of Steel soon. The movie has huge potential, I do like Singer's overall direction, he just needs to up the entire game on nearly every level.

[merced]

I don't know. Maybe WB wants to make as much money off of one more Superman movie instead of just giving up and letting the next five years go by without making another Superman movie. Just type in Variety and go to the article titled something about the 2009 slate not being super or basically not having many superhero movies coming out next year. You can't miss it. It's on the left.

Maybe, but makes no financial sense. Why not make Flash or GL? I think they'd make as much and probably lots more than a sequel plus WB won't have to give half the profit to the Siegals. WB is in it to make the most money and with their losing the rights in 2013 and the franchise ending there is no long term play for them in Superman that I can see. With Flash and GL sequels cn be made as long as WB wants.

[merced]

I don't know. Maybe WB wants to make as much money off of one more Superman movie instead of just giving up and letting the next five years go by without making another Superman movie. Just type in Variety and go to the article titled something about the 2009 slate not being super or basically not having many superhero movies coming out next year. You can't miss it. It's on the left.

Thanks for info.

[charl_huntress]

WB/DC want Superman to fly again...but will he fly.

Is that the latest results of the Summit?

[The Chibi Kiriyama]

In regards to this film: They need to decide on what'll be done, and it should've been done yesterday (which is actually underexaggerating the dead space). This is gonna face some colossal antipathy from the general audience the longer it lingers in development hell. If they still don't know what they're gonna do with this by now, they should call it off and/or start anew.

Frankly, I don't think most people would cry over Singer's vision being discarded. They don't need to be talking about a unified DC Universe without the confidence that this is the Superman people want to see more of.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I agree. A sequel is a huge risk. TDK did huge this wekend. And Ironman earlier.

I hope the message WB takes is that if they are going to do another Superman film they need to start from scratch and do something different and not seen before. The stars need to be fairly established/multi-talented actors IMO.

I am a Superman fan too but don't want a sequel. Forget the risk finacially. If it did so/so you can wave goodbye to the franchise.

WB had better do another Superman right or not at all IMO.

A sequel would be less of a risk than a re-boot though, a re-boot would probably cost more than SR, were as the sequel will cost less.

After the success of TDK, I really hope Singer and WB get to Man of Steel soon. The movie has huge potential, I do like Singer's overall direction, he just needs to up the entire game on nearly every level.

I dont think he needs to raise the game on every level, i love SR, i think he got the drama and emotion in the movie spot on, its the action scene's and characterisation that need improving IMO.

[The Chibi Kiriyama]

Either way you look at it- sequel or reboot- this won't make as much as Superman Returns. That film rode on reputation to get where it landed. The general audience won't turn out like that again, unless there's a massive shift in tone. For all that effort, they could start anew and rebuild trust in the franchise with a new set of films.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Either way you look at it- sequel or reboot- this won't make as much as Superman Returns. That film rode on reputation to get where it landed. The general audience won't turn out like that again, unless there's a massive shift in tone. For all that effort, they could start anew and rebuild trust in the franchise with a new set of films.

A lot of the general public seemed to like SR though, it won readers awards in both Empire and Total Film, 2 of the biggest and most popular movie magazine's out there, SR even won the 'Best 2006 Movie' award in TF and was voted ahead of the likes of Pan's Labyrinth, Casino Royale, Children Of Men, etc.

If they put a bit more action in there, and maybe another big name star for a villain, i dont see why it cant make more than SR.

[The Chibi Kiriyama]

It won praise in review publications and amongst critics. I wouldn't count that as the voice of the vast movie-going masses, who might not even know that either one of the aforementioned publications exist. Batman Begins made an impression with people in general and its sequel reaps the benefits. Superman Returns, no matter the follow-up, will remain a disappointment that would require more effort that the WB seems willing to contribute to continue. It's not as if Singer has inspired confidence, either- the Tom Cruise vehicle he took in lieu of Man of Steel has had a less-than-sterling cloud hanging over it for some time now.

[smoothbody]

It won praise in review publications and amongst critics. I wouldn't count that as the voice of the vast movie-going masses, who might not even know that either one of the aforementioned publications exist. Batman Begins made an impression with people in general and its sequel reaps the benefits. Superman Returns, no matter the follow-up, will remain a disappointment that would require more effort that the WB seems willing to contribute to continue. It's not as if Singer has inspired confidence, either- the Tom Cruise vehicle he took in lieu of Man of Steel has had a less-than-sterling cloud hanging over it for some time now.

totally agree!! a sequel would kill this character & this franchise forever!!

is that song that you have listed,by smashing pumpkins the one playing during the watchman trailor??

[The Chibi Kiriyama]

Yes, it's the track playing during the trailer.

I don't know about killing the franchise- God knows Supes has endured everything from Great-Wall-o-China vision to Superman Blue- but it would be a good financial decision. If their projections weren't met with the last one, you can bet that they're not going to be met with a sequel. However, there doesn't seem to be a genuine love for this version yet. If they rebooted, it could please the male audience that was miffed by Superman Returns without pissing off diehard fans of the last since they're minute in number.

[merced]

Yes, it's the track playing during the trailer.

I don't know about killing the franchise- God knows Supes has endured everything from Great-Wall-o-China vision to Superman Blue- but it would be a good financial decision. If their projections weren't met with the last one, you can bet that they're not going to be met with a sequel. However, there doesn't seem to be a genuine love for this version yet. If they rebooted, it could please the male audience that was miffed by Superman Returns without pissing off diehard fans of the last since they're minute in number.

I'd like a reboot but the Hulk proves if anything that a reboot with lots more action, new actors and writers/director is not a guarantee of success.

It may be that audiences just aren't that interested anymore in the Hulk and perhaps Superman.

Ironman was an unknown character yet opening night the lines were around the block and across the street to set it. Opening night for SR the theatres were not near full in my area, Like 70% maybe. That was before the bad buzz kicked in over the weekend.

With Ironman at 315 mil, TDK likely to do better than Ironman, Spidey and X-Men I think Superman can no longer be considered a top tier film superhero. Even though it costs as much to make a Supes film as these others.

With the lawsuit and all my gut tells me WB passes on both a sequel and reboot and moves forward with other characters instead like GL, Flash and WW.

JL is not dead yet either IMO. Its fate is unclear yet with the Avenges due out in 2011 if WB is going to do it they need to get it out in 2010. So I still think JL could be the 2010 tentpole instead of GL or Flash or WW.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

It won praise in review publications and amongst critics. I wouldn't count that as the voice of the vast movie-going masses, who might not even know that either one of the aforementioned publications exist. Batman Begins made an impression with people in general and its sequel reaps the benefits. Superman Returns, no matter the follow-up, will remain a disappointment that would require more effort that the WB seems willing to contribute to continue. It's not as if Singer has inspired confidence, either- the Tom Cruise vehicle he took in lieu of Man of Steel has had a less-than-sterling cloud hanging over it for some time now.

Those awards it won were READER's awards, as in not chosen by the magazine's, but voted for by the people who read them, which is a lot. I doubt it would win 'Best 2006 Movie' if it was poorly thought of by the public, who are the one's who voted it for that award.

I;m not saying it was loved by everyone, it clearly wasnt, but within the general public it does have many fans.

[smoothbody]

Yes, it's the track playing during the trailer.

I don't know about killing the franchise- God knows Supes has endured everything from Great-Wall-o-China vision to Superman Blue- but it would be a good financial decision. If their projections weren't met with the last one, you can bet that they're not going to be met with a sequel. However, there doesn't seem to be a genuine love for this version yet. If they rebooted, it could please the male audience that was miffed by Superman Returns without pissing off diehard fans of the last since they're minute in number.

i found the track but,it's faster than the one playing during the trailor.also that same song was used for the batman & robin movie!!i have to get that trailor version!!

supes is not the HULK,as much as i loved i.h. a supes reboot would be huge as compared to the hulk reboot!!

[Supaman]

Herein lies the problem:

A reboot is TOO RISKY. The Incredible Hulk proved that. But one could argue that Hulk isn't that mainstream of a character. Who can relate to a big green monster? Still though it did give the fans a Hulk movie to be proud of and still made as much money as Ang Lees Hulk.

I think if they kept Bana, Connely, and Elliot for the sequel and did what they did in The Incredible Hulk (as well as released it 2-3 years later) , it would have made more.

People are used to Routh, Bosworth, and Spacey. All 3 can act (the latter very very good) Just give them something to work with. People know Braniac enough for him to be a worthy adversary to bring in the droves. Granted he is nowhere close to being as known as THE JOKER. But Superfans have been waiting for Brainy's big screen debut. So that hype alone could do some decent (maybe not record breaking) numbers.

A Batman reboot was the only way to go after a certain Joel Schumaker film that starred George Clooney. But even then Begins made as much money as Returns...AND Returns did better in DVD sales then Returns. The only thing that ensured a sequel with Begins was the Joker reference and its grit. Factor in Ledgers bottle rocket performance (and death) and you've got Box Office Gold.

So Trust me (and others here as well) when we say that Man Of Steel is the way to go on this one.

But.......

I think they should wait with the rest of their characters. Something tells me that this Superhero boom is about to get old and stale. Marvel exhausted the Superhero movie IMHO. And the only reason TDK is doing so well is because its likened to a GREAT MOVIE that just happens to have Batman and the Joker as characters. It didn't have/require alot of cgi (save Two-Face, and a handfull of other scenes). It was like a regular flick. X-Men/Spidey/FF/and Superman require CGI and such. It starts looking all the same. People are gonna get sick of that soon, which TDK proved IMHO.

[TheComicbookKid]

Herein lies the problem:

I think they should wait with the rest of their characters. Something tells me that this Superhero boom is about to get old and stale. Marvel exhausted the Superhero movie IMHO. And the only reason TDK is doing so well is because its likened to a GREAT MOVIE that just happens to have Batman and the Joker as characters. It didn't have/require alot of cgi (save Two-Face, and a handfull of other scenes). It was like a regular flick. X-Men/Spidey/FF/and Superman require CGI and such. It starts looking all the same. People are gonna get sick of that soon, which TDK proved IMHO.

That's really the big question for me.

Marvel's pumping out two movies. You add DC in full force into the mix and you are juggling too many real superhero franchises.(hellboy and wanted don't count)

I think you can add maybe one more superhero franchise into the mix per year, but only if you add it into the winter months.

Green Lantern- summer 2010
Man of Steel- Winter 2010

[Showtime]

Warner Bros. and DC want Superman to fly again, another Batman is a given, and individual pics for Wonder Woman, the Flash, Green Arrow and Green Lantern are being scripted. "Shazam!" was in the works at New Line.

Paul Levitz: The next film after this is "Watchmen" on March 6. It's an adaptation by Zack Snyder, of "300" of what is probably the most acclaimed graphic novel ever published. The trailer is coming out before Dark Knight in most theaters and you can probably find it online. We haven't announced any other projects, but there are about 6 at the starting gate right now.


1) Batman III
2) Superman II
3) Wonder Woman
4) Flash
5) Green Lantern
6) Green Arrow

7) Shazam (New Line)

Maybe...Maybe not.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^Oooooooohhhhhhh you tease Show :cwink:

[GreenKToo]

Lol. That does seem the most logical choices.

[kyuubijavi1]

all they got to do to make a sequal make loads of money Doomsday

think bout it superman dying, would be one hell of a box office hit and they could even use that movie to inspire every one to get up and fight showing the first glimps of Wonder Woman, Flash and so on. But if they dont do that another great way is make a trailer showing nothing but pure action packed fist fights cars flying and stuff like that. Just give superman some one worth fighting not just Lex again...

[kyuubijavi1]

1) Batman III
2) Superman II
3) Wonder Woman
4) Flash
5) Green Lantern
6) Green Arrow

7) Shazam (New Line)

Maybe...Maybe not.

That list sounds about right with all of them together you can even work there way up too a Justice League movie.

[AragornKing1]

Thanks for info.

Sure thing. :yay:

[smoothbody]

all they got to do to make a sequal make loads of money Doomsday

think bout it superman dying, would be one hell of a box office hit and they could even use that movie to inspire every one to get up and fight showing the first glimps of Wonder Woman, Flash and so on. But if they dont do that another great way is make a trailer showing nothing but pure action packed fist fights cars flying and stuff like that. Just give superman some one worth fighting not just Lex again...

i thought the same way but,singer screwed that up by having supes almost dyng in returns.so supes dying now would be silly,no one would care now at this point because we seen it!!

it would be crazy,after a kick azz battle with doomsday he dies,the entire J.L. shows up at the funeral,that would be sick!!

once again singer screwed up

[GreenKToo]

I know what i'd do. I'd have Brainiac in M.O.S. as the main villain. With maybe Metallo as a secondary one.

Superman defeats Brainiac at the end, but discovers that he was really answering to a higher power, Darkseid.

Darkseid sent Brainiac to test Earth's defenses. That could lead into either a third Supes film, or a J.L. film.

*IF* (big if) W.B. does want a J.L. film, they could have each of the heroes in their solo films, like G.L., Flash, etc, discovering the news about Darkseid at the end of their respective films, which could of course lead into the J.L. film.

[AragornKing1]

[quote=Showtime;15324587]1) Batman III
2) Superman II
3) Wonder Woman
4) Flash
5) Green Lantern
6) Green Arrow

7) Shazam (New Line)

Maybe...Maybe not.[/quote


Maybe an announcement is coming in a few days, Show? Maybe? :woot:

[AragornKing1]

i thought the same way but,singer screwed that up by having supes almost dyng in returns.so supes dying now would be silly,no one would care now at this point because we seen it!!

it would be crazy,after a kick azz battle with doomsday he dies,the entire J.L. shows up at the funeral,that would be sick!!

once again singer screwed up


Um, Superman almost dies in every movie. The superhero has to almost die in every movie so the villain is not seen as being weak.

[GreenKToo]

Can you imagine a Superman film that shows massive destruction in cities on a scale that we havent seen since ID4?
I think thats what it will take to get the public interested.

[DavidTyler]

I absolutely DON'T think a reboot is 'too risky' or any more expensive than what Singer (sometimes in bad judgement - i.e. the total CGI Routh head bullet sequence) spent on SR.

First, the sets can be redressed and reused. If not that direction, then use an actual newsroom. If Collora can make a convincing newsroom on his tiny budget, why would we need something akin to the cavernous DP newsroom of SR?

And a NEW FRIGGIN SUIT can't cost much more than the poorly thought out thing Routh wore. In fact, it can probably be accomplished more cheaply if they stick to the comix and don't have to put some team together to rethink the damn thing.

Everything else is just casting, maybe some Kryptonian costumes, and maybe a CGI Krypton. If a revisit to Krypton, some practicle sets could be built and some minitures. (Remember when Hollywood used to use minitures instead of CGI?)

[GreenKToo]

I absolutely DON'T think a reboot is 'too risky' or any more expensive than what Singer (sometimes in bad judgement - i.e. the total CGI Routh head bullet sequence) spent on SR.

First, the sets can be redressed and reused. If not that direction, then use an actual newsroom. If Collora can make a convincing newsroom on his tiny budget, why would we need something akin to the cavernous DP newsroom of SR?

And a NEW FRIGGIN SUIT can't cost much more than the poorly thought out thing Routh wore. In fact, it can probably be accomplished more cheaply if they stick to the comix and don't have to put some team together to rethink the damn thing.

Everything else is just casting, maybe some Kryptonian costumes, and maybe a CGI Krypton. If a revisit to Krypton, some practicle sets could be built and some minitures. (Remember when Hollywood used to use minitures instead of CGI?)
I loved how they explained Batman getting a new suit in TdK.
The same could be done in M.O.S., only have his suit get destroyed in his first encounter with the villain.
When the rematch happens, Superman arrives in the NEW, IMPROVED suit.

[I Am The Knight]

WB/DC want Superman to fly again...but will he fly.

Is that the latest results of the Summit?

LOL. I hope they actually decided what to do.

[GreenKToo]

Hmmm. TdK just took the B.O. crown. 155.4 mill OW.
I bet the suits at W.B. are dancing a jig right now. :D


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[X-Maniac]

A lot of the general public seemed to like SR though, it won readers awards in both Empire and Total Film, 2 of the biggest and most popular movie magazine's out there, SR even won the 'Best 2006 Movie' award in TF and was voted ahead of the likes of Pan's Labyrinth, Casino Royale, Children Of Men, etc.

If they put a bit more action in there, and maybe another big name star for a villain, i dont see why it cant make more than SR.

Empire and Total Film have a specific readership of film fanatics. Mr and Mrs Joe Public do not run down to the newsagent shop to get these magazines and find out what films they must see. These magazines are for diehard film enthusiasts. They have established a certain kind of readership. I work in the media and I know one person in my office of 200 people has Empire, and she is a film writer and features manager - and she is always laughing at it for the way it attacks/praises certain movies and then has to backtrack when the films it attacks do well or those it praises do not.

I think the public are bored with Superman and also with Hulk. Man turns green and smashes things. Man from Krypton fights Lex Luthor who uses kryptonite against him. They are both like a one-trick pony. I really liked The Incredible Hulk but i know many people who just didn't care about it to want to go and see it.

A total revamp of Superman is needed to make the next movie work. Something much more visionary and exciting. Not Jason's superpowers emerging at kindergarten.

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Hmmm. TdK just took the B.O. crown. 155.4 mill OW.
I bet the suits at W.B. are dancing a jig right now. :D


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This is interesting on its potential impact on JL. If WB wants Nolan to do a third in say 2011 he now may have to clout to say yes, but only if JL does not come out first/before Bats3.

I think TDK's owning the film crown now is bad news for both JL and MOS/reboot seeing thy light of day anytime soon.

[bgshw44]

This is interesting on its potential impact on JL. If WB wants Nolan to do a third in say 2011 he now may have to clout to say yes, but only if JL does not come out first/before Bats3.

I think TDK's owning the film crown now is bad news for both JL and MOS/reboot seeing thy light of day anytime soon.


I see it as good news for MOS, showing a film done right can make a bundle, and bad news for JLA

[GreenKToo]

I think its a win for all fans of DC.

[FlawlessVictory]

This is interesting on its potential impact on JL. If WB wants Nolan to do a third in say 2011 he now may have to clout to say yes, but only if JL does not come out first/before Bats3.

I think TDK's owning the film crown now is bad news for both JL and MOS/reboot seeing thy light of day anytime soon.

My belief is that the success of TDK has put the final nail in the coffin of that god awful Miller version of JLA. This is not to say JLA will not happen years from now, just that the current incarnation is dead. I don't think MOS/reboot is effected either way.

[GreenKToo]

My belief is that the success of TDK has put the final nail in the coffin of that god awful Miller version of JLA. This is not to say JLA will not happen years from now, just that the current incarnation is dead. I don't think MOS/reboot is effected either way.
I agree. I think it J.L. is as dead as dead can be, at least this version anyway.
I can see one happening down the road though, say maybe 6 or 7 years.

As for M.O.S., I think they'll stick to whatever they've already decided.

[I Am The Knight]

When is this "summitt" over?

[Superark]

My belief is that the success of TDK has put the final nail in the coffin of that god awful Miller version of JLA. This is not to say JLA will not happen years from now, just that the current incarnation is dead. I don't think MOS/reboot is effected either way.

Yeah I pretty much agree with that. WB would be insane if they tried to make a movie with a different Batman now.

I'm not sure TDK will effect MOS either. The only way I possibly see TDK effecting the execs at WB is showing them that when a sequel is done right, it will draw money.

I just hope they don't expect the same numbers or anticipaction for MOS/Reboot. Nothing will ever be like TDK again. The movie had so many different factors that played into its phenomenon

[GreenKToo]

No, they shouldnt expect those kinda numbers with other S.H. films. They should however expect good numbers.
Maybe this will inspire them to hire really good directors AND actors for their future C.B. films.

[Showtime]

I think part of what they talked/are talking about, is how to approach putting their other characters on screen. I would imagine the huge success of Dark Knight, is going to launch WB into using this version of Batman in a JL film later.

[Ita-KalEl]

No, they shouldnt expect those kinda numbers with other S.H. films. They should however expect good numbers.
Maybe this will inspire them to hire really good directors AND actors for their future C.B. films.

Yes this is proves again that a good sequel can do far more than the first movie.
After the real disasters of Fantastic Four and Silver Surfer and the reboot of Hulk, it is a good news for MOS.
Don't forget that Singer is still the same guy who did X2, one of the best sequels ever.

If I were the WB I would be careful in kicking Singer's ass, expecially because there is still the risk that Valkyrie will to be one of the best movies of 2009.

[FlawlessVictory]

If I were the WB I would be careful in kicking Singer's ass, expecially because there is still the risk that Valkyrie will to be one of the best movies of 2009.

I'm sorry but for me, even if Valkyrie were to win Best Picture honors, it would not convince me that Singer could make an excellent Superman film. One has nothing to do with the other, IMO.

[Showtime]

I think X2 is a better example then Valkyrie.

[FlawlessVictory]

I think X2 is a better example then Valkyrie.

True, but IMO, Singer didn't paint himself into any corners going from X1 to X2 but he did going from SR to MOS.

[I Am The Knight]

Anyone knows when this summit is over?

[Showtime]

True, but IMO, Singer didn't paint himself into any corners going from X1 to X2 but he did going from SR to MOS.

I personally think it is impossible for somebody to be painted into a corner creatively when you are dealing with movies. Of course, there was much less obstacles with X-Men.

[Superark]

Yes this is proves again that a good sequel can do far more than the first movie.
After the real disasters of Fantastic Four and Silver Surfer and the reboot of Hulk, it is a good news for MOS.
Don't forget that Singer is still the same guy who did X2, one of the best sequels ever.

If I were the WB I would be careful in kicking Singer's ass, expecially because there is still the risk that Valkyrie will to be one of the best movies of 2009.

Yes, I also think WB needs to be careful with how they treat Singer. But I agree with Showtime in that I think X2 is a better example than Valkyrie. Although I'm sure it won't hurt if Valkryie gets great reviews.

I think Singer can make a great sequel if given the opportunity, though he is going to need to make some changes.

I just hope WB doesn't "Richard Lester" Singer like they did Donner.

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As for M.O.S., I think they'll stick to whatever they've already decided.

Which is not to decide. LOL! Sorry, I couldn't resist.

[GreenKToo]

I personally think it is impossible for somebody to be painted into a corner creatively when you are dealing with movies. Of course, there was much less obstacles with X-Men.
It would require the hiring of not just good, but great writers. Someone who *gets* what Superman is about and what he can do.

[Superark]

It would require the hiring of not just good, but great writers. Someone who *gets* what Superman is about and what he can do.


That's why I'm disappointed WB wouldn't let Hayter, especially McQuarrie in as writers. Those guys are very gifted and I'm interested in what they could do.

I just hope whoever they hire aren't duds

[GreenKToo]

Which is not to decide. LOL! Sorry, I couldn't resist.
touche' mon capitan.:word:

[The Chibi Kiriyama]

It's not a matter of Singer upping the ante. It's a matter of Singer understanding more about Superman than their mutual feelings of alienation. That worked well for X-Men because it's one long allegory on physical differences and society's potential cruelty. Here, it's only one facet to the icon. So simply "adding more action" isn't what's going to help the character's tarnished image.