The Fate of Two Face

[Spider-Fan]

I guess...But if your an avid Batman fan...And the movie is already out in some countries...I think you would have already spoiled yourself quite a bit...But that's a possibility...

But, others didn't see it. So he was probably contractually obligated to not ruin the end.

[Anita18]

But, others didn't see it. So he was probably contractually obligated to not ruin the end.
Even Maggie had said she'd love to come back for a third, and her character is DEFINITELY dead. :oldrazz:

[Ziggyman]

Even Maggie had said she'd love to come back for a third, and her character is DEFINITELY dead. :oldrazz:

...I don't like you anymore...:hehe:

We never saw a body...So, it's up to interpretation...:hehe::oldrazz:

[[A]]

*after reading several articles* Haha told y'all. But NOOOOOOO you still saying that.. Ahh screw it. Live with it.

[Jensen Ames]

I knew he was dead.

[batman11]

CHUD's reporting it as well.

http://chud.com/articles/articles/16196/1/IT039S-OFFICIAL-TWO-FACE-IS-DEAD/Page1.html

:lmao: at the people still trying to find loopholes.

[Jensen Ames]

CHUD's reporting it as well.

http://chud.com/articles/articles/16196/1/IT039S-OFFICIAL-TWO-FACE-IS-DEAD/Page1.html

:lmao: at the people still trying to find loopholes.

Me too. :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

[Spider-Fan]

I know. What does it take?

[Jensen Ames]

I know. What does it take?

I think they could find a way around it even if Nolan came out and said he was dead. :whatever:

[batman11]

I know. What does it take?

A televised funeral service in which Aaron Eckhart, fully made up in the Two-Face guise, is placed in a casket, and buried at the tombstone reading:

Here lies Harvey Dent. Beloved hero, vengeful murderer. DEAD! DEAD! DEAD!

:hehe: :woot:

[Spider-Fan]

A televised funeral service in which Aaron Eckhart, fully made up in the Two-Face guise, is placed in a casket, and buried at the tombstone reading:

Here lies Harvey Dent. Beloved hero, vengeful murderer. DEAD! DEAD! DEAD!

:hehe: :woot:


If only Gordon at the end of his speech tossed open the casket, threw the body out. Shoved his head into the camera, and started screaming "There, you see. DEAD!"

:woot:

[batman11]

If only Gordon at the end of his speech tossed open the casket, threw the body out. Shoved his head into the camera, and started screaming "There, you see. DEAD!"

:woot:

I like that! :hoboj:

[Jensen Ames]

A televised funeral service in which Aaron Eckhart, fully made up in the Two-Face guise, is placed in a casket, and buried at the tombstone reading:

Here lies Harvey Dent. Beloved hero, vengeful murderer. DEAD! DEAD! DEAD!

:hehe: :woot:


If only Gordon at the end of his speech tossed open the casket, threw the body out. Shoved his head into the camera, and started screaming "There, you see. DEAD!"

:woot:

LOL! :hehe:

[alexdunn]

How the last scene should have went down:

Gordon: Are you okay? Is he dead?

Batman: Yes he's dead. No longer among the living.

Gordon: So you're telling me he's not alive anymore? Like...not coming back in the living sense?

Batman: Yep.

Gordon: No Two-Face in the sequel?

Batman: No....

Gordon: We can't let the Joker win. He made this dead guy a bad guy.

Batman: I killed those people that the once living and now dead Harvel Dent actually killed. Harvey is the hero Gotham needs. It just so happens he's dead. DEAD!

[batman11]

How the last scene should have went down:

Gordon: Are you okay? Is he dead?

Batman: Yes he's dead. No longer among the living.

Gordon: So you're telling me he's not alive anymore? Like...not coming back in the living sense?

Batman: Yep.

Gordon: No Two-Face in the sequel?

Batman: No....

Gordon: We can't let the Joker win. He made this dead guy a bad guy.

Batman: I killed those people that the once living and now dead Harvel Dent actually killed. Harvey is the hero Gotham needs. It just so happens he's dead. DEAD!

:lmao:

[namtaB]

Well Eckhart said he's deader than a doornail. But somehow I don't think the debate will be settled.

[jackshea]

well. i guess that's the end of this thread. huh.

[Spider-Fan]

How the last scene should have went down:

Gordon: Are you okay? Is he dead?

Batman: Yes he's dead. No longer among the living.

Gordon: So you're telling me he's not alive anymore? Like...not coming back in the living sense?

Batman: Yep.

Gordon: No Two-Face in the sequel?

Batman: No....

Gordon: We can't let the Joker win. He made this dead guy a bad guy.

Batman: I killed those people that the once living and now dead Harvel Dent actually killed. Harvey is the hero Gotham needs. It just so happens he's dead. DEAD!

Gordon's son: Why is he running daddy?

Gordon: Cause we have to chase him.

Gordon's son: But, he did nothing wrong.

Gordon: We have to pin all the crimes this dead villain committed on him, cause he is the hero Gotham deserves, but not the one it needs, like this dead guy....

:woot:

[Anita18]

A televised funeral service in which Aaron Eckhart, fully made up in the Two-Face guise, is placed in a casket, and buried at the tombstone reading:

Here lies Harvey Dent. Beloved hero, vengeful murderer. DEAD! DEAD! DEAD!

:hehe: :woot:

I would have seriously :lmao: ed.

[batman11]

Gordon's son: Why is he running daddy?

Gordon: Cause we have to chase him.

Gordon's son: But, he did nothing wrong.

Gordon: We have to pin all the crimes this dead villain committed on him, cause he is the hero Gotham deserves, but not the one it needs, like this dead guy....

:woot:

Am I understanding this correctly? Are you...are you implying that Harvey ACTUALLY died?

:hehe:

[Spider-Fan]

Am I understanding this correctly? Are you...are you implying that Harvey ACTUALLY died?

:hehe:

Whatever gave you that idea :dry: :hehe:

[SPIDERMAN117]

Ha Love how Aaron said it.

"Chris Am I? DEAD!

[batman11]

Whatever gave you that idea :dry: :hehe:

Just some random, crazy, implausible, illogical conclusion I came to. :o

:grin:

[The Riddler_303]

Seems like something you do quite often.

[Spider-Fan]

Just some random, crazy, implausible, illogical conclusion I came to. :o

:grin:

You're crazy man. To think that a guy lying motionless on the ground, now with all creative people saying he died, is dead. Listen to reason :woot:

[batman11]

Seems like something you do quite often.

Did you just.........zing me? Where'd that come from bro? :csad:

You're crazy man. To think that a guy lying motionless on the ground, now with all creative people saying he died, is dead. Listen to reason :woot:

Reason is for losers! :cmad:

[the dmg]

Ha Love how Aaron said it.

"Chris Am I? DEAD!

Yeah, one can still dream though!

[Spider-Fan]

Did you just.........zing me? Where'd that come from bro? :csad:



Reason is for losers! :cmad:

batman11, BE REASONABLE!!!

:woot:

[SPIDERMAN117]

Yeah, one can still dream though!


Umm well if the main man says "Your Dead" I dont think your alive? :huh:

[alexdunn]

The real last line of the movie:

Gordon:...a Dark Knight.

Son: Dad what about the Two Face guy?

Gordon: HE'S DEAD DAMNIT! DEAD! DEAD DEAD DEAD!!!! THERE'S NO DOUBTING ANYMORE! FREAKING TWO-FACE HIMSELF SAID IT! HE'S DEAD AND HE'S NOT COMING BACK IN LIVING FORM! NOW DROP IT YOU F**KING ***** OF A KID!

Son: I dunno.....

[batman11]

batman11, BE REASONABLE!!!

:woot:

Over Harvey Dent's dead body!

:grin:

[Spider-Fan]

Over Harvey Dent's dead body!

:grin:

I believe in Harvey Dent's dead body :woot:

[batman11]

I believe in Harvey Dent's dead body :woot:

I think we're taking this too far. Only problem is that you won't stop because of some misplaced sense of self-righteousness, and I won't stop because it's too much fun! :grin:

[alexdunn]

I like what this thread is becoming : )

[Spider-Fan]

I think we're taking this too far. Only problem is that you won't stop because of some misplaced sense of self-righteousness, and I won't stop because it's too much fun! :grin:

I think you and I are destined to do this forever :grin:

[batman11]

I think you and I are destined to do this forever :grin:

You'll be in a padded....

....okay this has to stop. It ends here.

[Spider-Fan]

You'll be in a padded....

....okay this has to stop. It ends here.

AH! Can you just give me a minute :cmad:

[batman11]

AH! Can you just give me a minute :cmad:

I do what I do to put thugs like Falcone behind bars, not in therapy. :o



Wait...

[Spider-Fan]

I do what I do to put thugs like Falcone behind bars, not in therapy. :o



Wait...

Why so serious? :woot:

[RickO'Connell]

So Two-Face = this movies Venom :wow:

[alexdunn]

So....does that make Joker sandman?

[batman11]

Why so serious? :woot:

Alright, I think that's enough. LOL :woot: I'm heading off to bed, yet I have the strangest feeling I'm going to have traumatizing nightmares about Aaron Eckhart zombies and Gordon shoving dead bodies at my face. LOL

Perhaps I should have some medicine, clear my head. (had to do one more) :hehe:

[SPIDERMAN117]

So....does that make Joker sandman?

Dont forget Batman did cry so that makes him Spider-man

[Spider-Fan]

Alright, I think that's enough. LOL :woot: I'm heading off to bed, yet I have the strangest feeling I'm going to have traumatizing nightmares about Aaron Eckhart zombies and Gordon shoving dead bodies at my face. LOL

Perhaps I should have some medicine, clear my head. (had to do one more) :hehe:

Touche man. But, that headache is not what I'd fear. What about escalation?

:hehe:

[batman11]

Touche man. But, that headache is not what I'd fear. What about escalation?

Escalation? That's gonna be ringing in my ears now. LOL Thanks a lot. :woot:

Later bro, it's been fun. :)

[Spider-Fan]

Escalation? That's gonna be ringing in my ears now. LOL Thanks a lot. :woot:

Later bro, it's been fun. :)

Indeed it was :up:

[RickO'Connell]

My last scene with Two Face

Gordon - Are you sure hes dead ?

Batman - Hes not moving

Gordon - They do that all of the time

Batman - This isn't a movie

Gordon - Do you like horror movies ?

Batman - No

Gordon - Not even that one movie called "Bats"

Batman - Now thats a good movie

Gordon - Okay how about Sci-Fi ? Star Wars or Star Trek

Batman - Star Wars

Gordon - How about TV Sci-Fi ? Stargate or Farscape

Batman - Stargate

Gordon - Heh

Batman -You know what movie Harveys fate reminds me of

Gordon - Spider-Man 3

Batman - Ironic eh

(An army of Cops show up)

Cop #1 - Did Batman kill Harvey ?

Batman - He became a bad guy

Cop #2 - What was ironic that you mentioned earlier ?

(Two hours later)

All cops & Gordon & Batman are arguing about whats ironic

End Credits

[ScarecrowMan666]

This is utter madness...and I love it!!

[Nirvana]

SPOILER ALERT!: The following article spoils certain aspects of The Dark Knight. If you have not seen the movie, turn back now!

Yes, it's true. Aaron Eckhart says goodbye to Batman. At the press day for his upcoming indie film Towelhead (http://www.comingsoon.net/films.php?id=40379), ComingSoon.net/Superhero Hype! talked to the actor who portrayed Harvey Dent/Two-Face in The Dark Knight (http://www.comingsoon.net/films.php?id=15813). He told us he's definitely not signed on for another film and confirmed his character is dead.

Eckhart laughed about how he tried to ask if there was a chance he was coming back and was good-humored about the deadly fate of Dent.

Q: Is Harvey Dent alive?
Aaron Eckhart: No. He is dead as a door nail.

Q: So he's not coming back?
Eckhart: He ain't coming back baby!

Q: I was hoping he would.
Eckhart: No. I asked Chris [Nolan] that question and he goes, "You're dead" before I could even get the question out of my mouth. "Hey Chris, am I?" "You're dead!" Alright, cool.

Q: That's not a problem in comic book movies. You could still come back.
Eckhart: I think in contract negotiations it's a problem.

Q: So you were never signed on for another film?
Eckhart: No, I'm not coming back. I think unfortunately, Heath [Ledger] was supposed to go on and that didn't work out. I'm nobody. I'm a cog. I have no say over this sort of stuff. I'm sure that there's so many other characters that they could whip together. I heard Angelina Jolie was going to be Catwoman or something like that. I thought that was a great idea. I'd like to be in that one.

Q: It must be gratifying that so many people responded to your character.
Eckhart: Yeah, I dig it. Write your Congressman. I like that for the first time in my career I'm getting fan mail from kids and 8-year-olds. "My name is Bill. I really liked the film." I've never had that before. I think that's fun. I think someone told me they're going to be Harvey Two-Face for Halloween which is cool. I said to two kids the other day, "Did you see Batman yet?" Then I come to find out like two seconds later they've seen it four times. People are really going back to see it. My parents saw it I think 12 [times] so far. They're sick that it's going out of the theaters.

Q: Do they normally see your movies 12 times?
Eckhart: I don't know about 12, but they like to go see the movies. They like to go see the audience. They like to tell people that I'm in the movie like popcorn people.

I guess that confirms it.

[CaptainClown]

yup we could close this thread imo

[Vile]

Anyone going to argue how ambiguous THAT is? Come on folks! Step right up!

...where'd all you guys go?!

HELLO!

=)

Tee hee hee.

[chaseter]

HAHAHAHA...Still laughing over the fact that the few of us who said he was dead from the start of this whole dumb debate were right. Go us.

[Vile]

HAHAHAHA...Still laughing over the fact that the few of us who said he was dead from the start of this whole dumb debate were right. Go us.

Go Team Logic!

*high-fives*.

[Gianakin_]

I SO wanted to be wrong on this one. One of the few times that I hate being right. Goodbye Eckhart and 2Face.

[nightwing666]

Two face is dead.Plain an simple.Nolan is smart with his batman movies.I just can't see nolan's Twoface doing crimes about the number 2 and having a gang it would ruin everything he did in TDK.

[nightwing666]

I'm a Batman comic reader and I hate how people cry about a villian or character is slightly different from its comic counterpart.In comics you can just keep bringing back villians but in the movies you sometimes dont need to.Twoface is dead and so is Ra's.this twoface is an anti-hero and Ra's isnt immortal.

[ultimatefan]

I never had doubt that Harvey was dead, I mean, the body was right there, with Batman and Gordon in front ot it. But I love Eckhart´s interview, it´s great to see kids talking about the movie. I been saying this for a long time, kids can take a lot more than adults give them credit for.

[Banquet]

HAHAHAHA...Still laughing over the fact that the few of us who said he was dead from the start of this whole dumb debate were right. Go us.

Go Team Logic!

*high-fives*.

let the gloating begin!

[regwec]

Didn't we all agree that Harvey was "effectively" dead at the end of TDK, anyway? What this confirms is that the Nolan's have or had no further plans to reverse or twist the situation, which is news.

I suppose the ambiguities of the final scene at least leave room for fresh thinking from the new director, since, with this news and with Heath's death, the Nolan's are really backed into a corner, and it would probably be better if they didn't return. I suppose another reboot has become more likely.

We should be grateful to them for allowing a graceful transition to the new creative team.

The only question left is whether the Nolans will want to return, and if they do, whether Heath's death will require them to revise their intentions towards all of their characters.

[Spider-Fan]

Go Team Logic!

*high-fives*.

Yes, go team logic!

regwec, I think Nolan is coming back personally. There are many other options for Batman in a sequel, and to think after only 2 movies and Two-Face/Joker we can't come up with another Batman movie I think is shortsighted. The Joker was taking over Gotham. The mob is just about dead. Continue that, only more freaks. It is really not that hard to make a good sequel to TDK. It may not have Two-Face or Joker, but that doesn't mean there is no hope. That means we'll have variety, and that is a good thing.

[Brian Braddock]

That's one helluva curve-ball that Eckharts just thrown; it's gonna be a real suprise to everyone when Harvey pops up in the next movie.











Just kidding - Harvey's pretty much as dead as a dodo. Shame. :csad:

[regwec]

Yes, go team logic!

regwec, I think Nolan is coming back personally. There are many other options for Batman in a sequel, and to think after only 2 movies and Two-Face/Joker we can't come up with another Batman movie I think is shortsighted. The Joker was taking over Gotham. The mob is just about dead. Continue that, only more freaks. It is really not that hard to make a good sequel to TDK. It may not have Two-Face or Joker, but that doesn't mean there is no hope. That means we'll have variety, and that is a good thing.

I think they probably could manage another effective sequel, but not much after that. As much as Joel Schumacher, it was the elimination of all the best villains which forced the old franchise to be rebooted. I don't think Gotham is Gotham without the prospect of The Joker popping up to cause mayhem, or Two Face emerging to force Batman to confront his past.

[Brian Braddock]

But that's surely the challenge to the filmakers, no?

To make the '2nd tier' villains a viable cinematic threat in the absense of the Joker and Two-Face?

[regwec]

It's a challenge, but an artificial one that they didn't need to set themselves.

I would rather they just stuck to trying to make the best film they could.

[Jokers_Wild]

Damnit...why'd Nolan have to put all his eggs in the Ledger Joker basket?!

I hope he comes back to do another one.

I'm gonna miss Two-Face though. :csad:

[Ace of Knaves]

i always believed Harvey to be dead anyway, which is a shame in some respects. but the way TDK played out i think it would be a bad decision to bring Two-Face back in the next one, if they even do another one. it links with my feelings about the joker, with all what happened in TDK i think it would be foolish to not include him, the same way i think it would be foolish to include Harvey.

[regwec]

I would be content with one or the other. As I said elsewhere, it depends whether you think continuity of plot devices or continuity of the cast is more binding.

[FlawlessVictory]

So Nolan has said he has never given any thought to a film past TDK while working on that one. Yet, Eckhart confirms that there were plans for Heath to be in a third one. So I guess Nolan is a liar then. :o

[Darknightnomis]

Maybe this is just a set-up for Ras AL GHUL to come back and use the Lazarus pit to resurrect Harvey. :cwink:

[Ace of Knaves]

i'm pretty sure the Nolans had a rough idea about what they were gonna do in the third one up untill january, i don't mean to be insensitive but i think Heaths unfortunate passing put a spanner in the works. i just think if TDK was a stand-a-lone movie, and that they didn't have any plans for a third what so ever, then the ending of TDK (batman being thought of as a murderer) wasn't well thought out. i mean how can you end a batman series of films with him on the run and thought of as a killer? well you cant. so thats why i think when Nolan says there was never any plans for a third i think hes just being secretive and playing his cards close to his chest, i wouldn't go as far to say he was flat out lying, but hes deffinatly not telling the whole truth there.

[itsthebatman]

It's a challenge, but an artificial one that they didn't need to set themselves.

I would rather they just stuck to trying to make the best film they could.
Well, I think they succeeded in TDK, old friend.

Personally, I'd love them to finish off a trilogy (Riddler, Hugo Strange and Catwoman), and THEN hand over to a new team, who can reboot or do whatever. If Zack Snyder pulls off Watchmen well, he'd be a good choice, I feel.
And, yep, Harvey is dead, dead, dead.

[antmanx68]

Nolan had plans for a third one before he made the first one.... things change, and he is a smart guy who likes to play coy and keep the fans chomping at the bit, But the guy has known since before Begins roughly what he wanted to do with these movies. When he says "I haven't given it any thought" he means "I have not started formally writing anything, or mapping it out in a capacity that I'm willing to comment on".

I posted scans from a magazine (Premiere I think) where Goyer says that he and Nolan discussed their ideas for a 3 picture Batman arc that included Two-Face and Joker as the villains for part 2 and 3, its not a coincidence.... this was before Begins was even in theaters...he's had it planned.

[Mikelus]

No, I'm not going to say it (t**d y**), but next time people should pay more attention to details to avoid these ridiculous debates. ;)

[regwec]

That really doesn't make any sense. The end of the movie could be read more than one way. We now apparently know which was the intended meaning, but that obviously doesn'tmean that people's other interpretations were less feasible at the time.

[namtaB]

No, I'm not going to say it (t**d y**), but next time people should pay more attention to details to avoid these ridiculous debates. ;)

Agreed.

[[A]]

No, I'm not going to say it (t**d y**), but next time people should pay more attention to details to avoid these ridiculous debates. ;)
I said it. Here and four other places :lmao:

[JP]

HAHAHAHA...Still laughing over the fact that the few of us who said he was dead from the start of this whole dumb debate were right. Go us.

:oldrazz::up:

[Spider-Fan]

I think they probably could manage another effective sequel, but not much after that. As much as Joel Schumacher, it was the elimination of all the best villains which forced the old franchise to be rebooted. I don't think Gotham is Gotham without the prospect of The Joker popping up to cause mayhem, or Two Face emerging to force Batman to confront his past.

Like I have suggested before, we can reference the Joker and maybe say he did something else that we don't see on the screen. Even without the Joker, his legacy will live on in the second movie. Batman destroyed the mob, but the Joker can be seen as a prophet in his own right for the next generation of criminals Batman has to face. Batman has many rich villains whom can be explored still. I think BB3 can still be amazing. TDK amazing maybe not, but BB wasn't TDK amazing, but if BB3 were BB quality, I would be more than happy.

There is much to be explored still, and the series may get rebooted after Nolan or just recasted (in which, bringing the Joker back would not be a bad thing), but I do believe the Nolan verse has much to be explored if other filmmakers take the time to try.

[Anita18]

When he says "I haven't given it any thought" he means "I have not started formally writing anything, or mapping it out in a capacity that I'm willing to comment on".
Yeah, that's what I think he means. And of course plans change along the way as well.

I don't think having another Joker-related conflict in this series would be the best thing thematically.

[BenReilly]

Nolan had plans for a third one before he made the first one.... things change, and he is a smart guy who likes to play coy and keep the fans chomping at the bit, But the guy has known since before Begins roughly what he wanted to do with these movies. When he says "I haven't given it any thought" he means "I have not started formally writing anything, or mapping it out in a capacity that I'm willing to comment on".

I posted scans from a magazine (Premiere I think) where Goyer says that he and Nolan discussed their ideas for a 3 picture Batman arc that included Two-Face and Joker as the villains for part 2 and 3, its not a coincidence.... this was before Begins was even in theaters...he's had it planned.

Here's a report from Moviehole also, where they were told by David Goyer (around the time he was promoting Blade Trinity back in '04) what his plans were for the trilogy.

It seems as though a lot of what they had planned for a third movie was used in TDK:


http://www.moviehole.net/200815294-batman-begins-dent-ends


Batman Begins, Dent Ends

Author: Clint Morris Date: Wednesday, September 3rd, 2008 Time: 6:33 pm

I remember speaking to David Goyer, when he was in town to promote "Blade Trinity" a few years back, about his plans for this current "Batman" trilogy. He explained what the first ("Batman Begins") would be, said the second would see Wayne and Dent chasing ‘The Joker', and was pretty confident in saying that the third film would fix on Dent, now fully transformed into the maniacal ‘Two-Face', running amok in Gotham. Apparently Batman would probe The Joker's mind - now in a padded cell - for hints how to stop him.

Of course, all that's changed now that the late, great Heath Ledger is no longer around to play ‘The Joker'. But more so, they ended up using a lot of what they planned for the third film in the second - what with Dent's (Aaron Eckhart) rampage across Gotham and all. And Dent's story ended rather finally, too.

Still, some are speculating that he will be back for the third film.

Not so, CHUD found out today.

"He's dead.", Eckhart told the site. "I asked Chris if there was a chance of coming back. 'No way,' he said. 'He's toast.'"

In other words, we'll be seeing a new rogue's gallery of bad apples come "Batman 3".

[alexdunn]

AHHHH!! That would have been SOOOOOO GOOOD!!!!

[jackshea]

i think he wanted it to be less open-ended, in case he didn't want to do a 3rd.

[ScarecrowMan666]

i think he wanted it to be less open-ended, in case he didn't want to do a 3rd.
That's actually a very good point I hadn't thought of.

[Ziggyman]

...I think he's still alive...:dry:

[[A]]

..and I keep reading The Face of Two Fate

[Ace of Knaves]

he is brown bread guys, get over it

[[A]]

he is brown bread guys, get over it
No they won't

[Ace of Knaves]

yea well thats their choice, but its actually fact now that hes dead. unless Nolan wants to be all trixy about it ;)

[[A]]

yea well thats their choice, but its actually fact now that hes dead. unless Nolan wants to be all trixy about it ;)
Why not makin' all of them live again?! Rachel becomes BurntBack, the victim of a misplaced, um.. oil can. Lau becomes the Calculator (or The Straitjacket), and so on..

[Ace of Knaves]

lol hmm interesting analogies you have there!

[[A]]

lol hmm interesting analogies you have there!
I had others but they were a bit, uh.. offensive :whatever:

[Ace of Knaves]

hahaha i see........

[AnorexicBatman]

You can't believe how upset I am right now. I thought the Nolan's were all for the mob-war thing. We could easily have had Two-Face and Black Mask fighting for control of the streets while an assassin named Deadshot is hired by the police to hunt down the BATMAN.
There you have it. 2 B-list villain's backed up by an A-lister....

Two-Face would not need to do crimes based on the number 2. No, make it more sophisticated, reference the duality of man, talk about how Harvey believes that his coin is what decides the fate of his enemies i.e. judge and jury. He would have forced Batman to confront his past. There's our script...
But I guess Nolan likes a challenge...

GOOD LUCK! I guess this means he's ready for the more fantastical villains
Sorry Aaron, you were awesome man.

It would be funny if he gets the Captain America role and MARVEL suddenly decides to do the "Civil War" movie. I can imagine Mr. Eckhart would be none to happy....

EDIT:

Found a new character that they could introduce in the next movie....

http://www.superdickery.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1287:qbruce-waynes-aunt-agathaq&catid=29:confounding-comic-covers-index&Itemid=32

That would be badass

[[A]]

EDIT:

Found a new character that they could introduce in the next movie....

http://www.superdickery.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1287:qbruce-waynes-aunt-agathaq&catid=29:confounding-comic-covers-index&Itemid=32

That would be badass

:lmao: !!!

[Ladiesman217]

Two-face is confirmed as dead! I can live with that. But I hate how everyone who had thought that he was alive is treated as dumbasses. Wow, I guess having different interpretation of an ambiguous scene(in the movie's context) makes you a retard. Let's all have the same opinions then.

[[A]]

Let's all have the same opinions then.
Good. Um.. Coca Cola Zero does not taste just like the regular Coca

[Arsh]

Two-face is confirmed as dead! I can live with that. But I hate how everyone who had thought that he was alive is treated as dumbasses. Wow, I guess having different interpretation of an ambiguous scene(in the movie's context) makes you a retard. Let's all have the same opinions then.

I agree.

I considered Dent alive until Eckhart actually confirmed it. It's not like it was it was so obvious in the film. It's shown pretty ambiguously. Eckhart only confirmed it two months later.

[Vile]

It's not like it was it was so obvious in the film.

Except it was.

But I see what you mean. :woot:

[FNSpidey]

Two-face is confirmed as dead! I can live with that. But I hate how everyone who had thought that he was alive is treated as dumbasses. Wow, I guess having different interpretation of an ambiguous scene(in the movie's context) makes you a retard. Let's all have the same opinions then.

They're not dumbasses, just stubborn. People need to realize that when a character is shown dying in a film, he's meant to be dead. Two-face is dead, just as Doc Ock is dead, just as Venom is dead, just as Ra's Al Ghul is dead. Sure, the writers can come up with ways to bring any of them back, if it's needed, and in some case it may even happen, but that doesn't mean that was the plan all along. If the character was meant to live, he wouldn't have died, it's very simple.

Why argue a character is alive when he's clearly shown to be dead? Can anyone look into the minds of the writers? It's all just wish projection. And even if a character does come back, I'm not going to say the supporters of that idea were right all along. Because it's very probable that even the writers had no idea what they'd do with the character, until they saw the audience's reaction to him or thought of new ways that he'd be useful to the story.

[Ladiesman217]

So, no one can have differing interpretations? PEOPLE DO BELIEVE THAT THE ENDING WAS AMBIGUOUS! THE DIVISION OF THE FANDOM ON THIS ISSUE IS PROOF> WE ARE NOT STUBBORN FOR THINKING OTHERWISE.

[[A]]

So, no one can have differing interpretations? PEOPLE DO BELIEVE THAT THE ENDING WAS AMBIGUOUS! THE DIVISION OF THE FANDOM ON THIS ISSUE IS PROOF> WE ARE NOT STUBBORN FOR THINKING OTHERWISE.
Wow, someone's CAPS LOCK just blocked

[FNSpidey]

So, no one can have differing interpretations? PEOPLE DO BELIEVE THAT THE ENDING WAS AMBIGUOUS! THE DIVISION OF THE FANDOM ON THIS ISSUE IS PROOF> WE ARE NOT STUBBORN FOR THINKING OTHERWISE.

Notice that only the fandom is divided. Regular movie-going people give absolutely no second thought to whether these characters can be alive. Why would they be shown dead if they were meant to be alive? In 99% of these cases, these characters are dead for the purposes of the story. If they're needed for another story, they may come back, but this is not the current plan, otherwise they'd be kept alive, like Joker was.

Only rarely are characters killed with the intention of bringing them back, like Gandalf in Fellowship. But even in those cases there are usually known plans for the sequels (in this case, a trilogy).

[Ace of Knaves]

i think its better to keep harvey dead, it just fits the whole theme of TDK perfectly. you either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain. Harvey lived long enough to see himself become the villain, but to the rest of Gotham he died the hero.

[BlackBadger]

I believe he is dead and I am dissapointed in the fashion it went. He is a character that deserves to go with a bang. All he got was a lousy push.

[Ace of Knaves]

you can console yourself in the thought that TDK was basically all about Harvey Dent.

[chaseter]

So, no one can have differing interpretations? PEOPLE DO BELIEVE THAT THE ENDING WAS AMBIGUOUS! THE DIVISION OF THE FANDOM ON THIS ISSUE IS PROOF> WE ARE NOT STUBBORN FOR THINKING OTHERWISE.
How sad, some people are STILL in denial.

[chaseter]

i think its better to keep harvey dead, it just fits the whole theme of TDK perfectly. you either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain. Harvey lived long enough to see himself become the villain, but to the rest of Gotham he died the hero.
Technically, Harvey did die a hero to the people Gotham.:cwink: Another nice nuance Nolan put in being a master film maker.

[Slushy]

He's dead, Jim.

[Vile]

So, no one can have differing interpretations? PEOPLE DO BELIEVE THAT THE ENDING WAS AMBIGUOUS! THE DIVISION OF THE FANDOM ON THIS ISSUE IS PROOF> WE ARE NOT STUBBORN FOR THINKING OTHERWISE.

You saw what you wanted to see it. It was clear as day Dent was dead.

Wishful thinking does NOT equal ambiguity.

[xxGreenGoblinxx]

I dont understand how Batman is gonna clear his name without having Two-Face in the next movie

[CaptainClown]

I dont understand how Batman is gonna clear his name without having Two-Face in the next movie
There are witnesses to Harvey Dent acting crazy. (Rameriez) Also chances are a new D.A. would investigate the death of Harvey Dent and probably uncover the truth.

[Ace of Knaves]

i think that could of been the role for the Joker before Heaths unfortunate death. I think it would be pretty sweet if Batmans/Bruces future and reputation was actually in the Jokers hands. It could've proved to be pretty interesting, Batmans nemesis is in control of his future, Jokers "play-thing" depends on him telling the truth about Dent. It would be another way to show these two characters binded together, for better or worse.

[Iron Burger]

The ending of the film only makes sense, plot-wise not thematically, if Dent (and his sins) was buried in the rubble. The police had a perimeter around the area and would have discovered what had just happened if Batman hadn't thought so quickly. By having Gordon call in the murders Batman was able to lead the cops and dogs away from the building toward the boxcars and then jump on his bike to escape.

While this is going on, assuming the perimeter was dissolved and its only Gordon and his family left, then Gordon had time to A) bury the body and B) get his family out of there.

It makes no sense to have Batman take the fall for Dent's death and kidnapping Gordon's family too! If anything, it is better if everyone thinks that Dent died in the hospital and wasn't running around! In my interpretation of the ending, Batman is sacrificing his reputation because it is the smart move to make, not just because he feels so guilty that he has no other choice.

[dru-zod2501]

they never said how they explained away Dent's "death." Gordon said "if anyone asks we got him out" but we don't know if anyone did, so maybe the official story was that he died in the hospital.

your theory hinges on the idea that Harvey died at the end, which some of us don't believe he did. Jim wouldn't bury a living perp even if his family had been threatened. It's implausible that none of those cops at the scene ever learned the truth; but as we heard, Gordon can be quite the orator and could've persuaded them to keep quiet

[ND Irish]

it is possible. one question i have is how is gordons kid gonna keep the secret as well? He's gonna see his hero, the man who saved his life, be hunted and torn down for things he didn't do and this kid knows of batmans innocence. Now i know theres an extreme remote chance the kid is the one who comes out with it but Im just throwing it out there.

[Mr.Obycyek]

Gordon is going to have to cover up what happened to Dent regardless of whether he is alive or not at the end. We never see the police anywhere near Gordon and the cops go after Batman who leads them away from the crime scene.

[[A]]

Let Jonathan deal with Dent's fate :hehe:

[Ace of Knaves]

He is BROWN BREAD guys, let's move on yea?

:hoboj:

[[A]]

Next thing you know, they gonna start wondering if the Waynes are still alive :hehe:

[Ace of Knaves]

lolz.

But seriously, they did leave their deaths kinda ambiguous don't you think? :whatever:

[[A]]

Yeah.. because Dent is dead.. but Two-Face lives on.. ~The End~ *credits roll*

[CaptainClown]

oh god this was bumped...oh well
cool avvy aeghast

[Papa Burgundy]

two face was freakin awesome. eckhart was amazing, and tommy lee jones is now a distant memory.

[Two-Face]

He's dead.

[Mr. Para-Normal]

Yea he's dead guys. Didnt Eckhart himself say in an interview with SHH a little while back that Two-Face is dead and that he is not signed on to do any sequels. Heres a look at the ending of the movie I found this clip on youtube good quality. He looks dead as a doorknob to me sadly lol.


heres the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKzJhM7U2yc

P.S I did not post that on youtube some other user did. But he must have got if from the dvd or something because it looks like it came straight from a warner bros copy.

[JL Unlimited]

I wouldn't be so sure about that now. This is from last night at a TDK event in Beverly Hills.

I made it a point of digging into the fate of Eckhart’s character in the film. “I don’t care, I don’t think you’re dead,” I said. “Oh, I’m dead,” he responded. I immediately leaned in to Thomas and told her I’m well aware of what she has said (http://www.incontention.com/?p=1048) on the matter, and all she could offer was a devilish grin. Eckhart jumped in: “Look, if you guys want me back (meaning Thomas, Nolan and company), I’d love to come back.” The case may not be as closed as we’d think.

http://www.incontention.com/?p=3271

[El Payaso]

The case is quite closed: he's dead. The actor, the writer and the script said so.

[Jokey]

No room for interpretation: HE'S DEAD! End of story. It’s in the script, novelisation and Nolan himself has said so.

In this film, Two-Face isn't a villain. He's a vigilante with a personal grudge that can only go so far. He couldn't support his own film as a central villain. Ending it right after the origin story creates a very solid curve for the character. You have to put everything you can into the film and try to make it as great as it can be. Two Face, who already was a tragic character, has become even more so.

The film is about Harvey’s rise and fall from grace. Joker’s entire endgame is about this, and the film’s title hinges on Harvey’s death and subsequent cover up of it. Harvey Dent had an entire film of air time; let’s not think of Harvey Dent and Two Face as two separate people. So, really, he isn’t killing him off after twenty minutes. He is killing him off after two or so hours. Personally, I think the move is bold, and makes great sense in how the story progresses.

And given what else happens in the ending, it makes no sense if Dent survived that fall. Batman and Gordon would have to be the biggest idiots ever.

[Ace of Knaves]

The bloke is........BROWN BREAD!!!! Get over it folks

[[A]]

How about a The Face of Two Fate thread..? I mean, for a change :hehe:

[Ace of Knaves]

I see what you did there!! :2face:

[Cunning Stunts]

The case is quite closed: he's dead. The actor, the writer and the script said so.

I agree 100%, but I wouldn't put it past Nolan to be just saying this just to keep the fans on their toes.

If Hush is in the next film, I would love more than anything for Harvey to return and blast the bastard to hell, just like he did in the comics.

[Doctor Jones]

He's dead. Confirmed from the producer, the writer, in the goddamn script capitalized, and by the actor himself. HE IS DEAD. What keeps him alive is fanboy specualtion and hope.

[I Am The Knight]

Harvey Dent is dead...But Two-Face lives on....In your fanfics.

[Havok83]

Id like to think he's alive

[CaptainClown]

awesome avvy havok

[Twofaceguy]

Two Face died like a betch. Thanks Nolan for ruining a favorite character!

[Doctor Jones]

^ That's sad.

But he is dead. Nolan even said it in the audio commentary.

[Carmine Falcone]

Harvey Dent had an entire film of air time; let’s not think of Harvey Dent and Two Face as two separate people. So, really, he isn’t killing him off after twenty minutes. He is killing him off after two or so hours. Personally, I think the move is bold, and makes great sense in how the story progresses.


Perfectly said, my thoughts exactly! :up:

[Marden]

How about a The Face of Two Fate thread..? I mean, for a change :hehe:

Man, at first I clicked on this thread reading that, but by the time it started loading I realized it's this one.

[Rasputin911]

I'm still waiting for a movie with Two-Face as a central villain. Tommy Lee Jones sucked, and while Eckhart was a great Harvey, i don't think he captured the psychosis and menace of Two-Face.

It just seemed like post-accident Harvey Dent, rather than the villain from the comics.

This was my main beef with TDK.

[Gold Samurai]

The script said he's dead, Eckart said he's dead. That more than enough for me to confirm he's dead!

[Batman1018]

Didn't Nolan him self say Two-Face is dead last week while doing the Live Commentary? I was one who always paid attention to them only saying "Harvey is dead" and from what I have read, Nolan actually said Two-Face the other night.

[Cunning Stunts]

I'm still waiting for a movie with Two-Face as a central villain. Tommy Lee Jones sucked, and while Eckhart was a great Harvey, i don't think he captured the psychosis and menace of Two-Face.

It just seemed like post-accident Harvey Dent, rather than the villain from the comics.

This was my main beef with TDK.

Are you kidding me? I personally thought that, if it weren't for Eckhart, TDK wouldn't have felt as flawless as it did. I think he's what solidified the rest of the movie.

[Darkness Falls]

His story is finished "You ethier die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villian"
it would make no sense to bring him back,
tdk was the rise and fall of harvey dent

He is dead

next villian............

[JAK®]

The way the scene is played out in the movie, Two Face's death could be easily reversed, because it was unclear in the movie whether Harvey was announced dead or not.

However, Nolan and Eckhart say that he is dead. Unless they change their minds, or a new director comes in, the character is dead.

[Rasputin911]

Are you kidding me? I personally thought that, if it weren't for Eckhart, TDK wouldn't have felt as flawless as it did. I think he's what solidified the rest of the movie.

you didn't read what i wrote.

[Doctor Jones]

No room for interpretation: HE'S DEAD! End of story. It’s in the script, novelisation and Nolan himself has said so.

In this film, Two-Face isn't a villain. He's a vigilante with a personal grudge that can only go so far. He couldn't support his own film as a central villain. Ending it right after the origin story creates a very solid curve for the character. You have to put everything you can into the film and try to make it as great as it can be. Two Face, who already was a tragic character, has become even more so.

The film is about Harvey’s rise and fall from grace. Joker’s entire endgame is about this, and the film’s title hinges on Harvey’s death and subsequent cover up of it. Harvey Dent had an entire film of air time; let’s not think of Harvey Dent and Two Face as two separate people. So, really, he isn’t killing him off after twenty minutes. He is killing him off after two or so hours. Personally, I think the move is bold, and makes great sense in how the story progresses.

And given what else happens in the ending, it makes no sense if Dent survived that fall. Batman and Gordon would have to be the biggest idiots ever.

Exactly. That is why in the script he is still refered to as Dent and not Two-Face.

[I Am The Knight]

I'm still waiting for a movie with Two-Face as a central villain. Tommy Lee Jones sucked, and while Eckhart was a great Harvey, i don't think he captured the psychosis and menace of Two-Face.

It just seemed like post-accident Harvey Dent, rather than the villain from the comics.

This was my main beef with TDK.

I feel your pain, Raspy. He didn't even have a split personality. No daddy issues really hinted at. And now he's dead.

[Bloodwynd]

I don't think he needed all that but it does suck that he's dead. I'm really interested to see how they'll explore Batman being hunted...seeing as he actually did break his one rule & all, despite not killing those others.

[Ace of Knaves]

I'm still waiting for a movie with Two-Face as a central villain. Tommy Lee Jones sucked, and while Eckhart was a great Harvey, i don't think he captured the psychosis and menace of Two-Face.

It just seemed like post-accident Harvey Dent, rather than the villain from the comics.

This was my main beef with TDK.

Tommy Lee Jones didn't suck, it wasn't his fault that the director and script writers decided to make him a joker rip off. I think TLJ would of been a awesome Harvey Dent if he was in the right film with the right creative team behind it.

[I Am The Knight]

Tommy Lee Jones didn't suck, it wasn't his fault that the director and script writers decided to make him a joker rip off. I think TLJ would of been a awesome Harvey Dent if he was in the right film with the right creative team behind it.

TLJ's turn as Two-Face in Forever is one of the weirdest performances I have ever been treated to in a movie. And not in the "interesting weird" sense.

[bulletbillx]

Tommy Lee Jones didn't suck, it wasn't his fault that the director and script writers decided to make him a joker rip off. I think TLJ would of been a awesome Harvey Dent if he was in the right film with the right creative team behind it.

I agree, his first speech in the movie about luck was actually pretty good IMO. Went downhill from there though.


Also it was kind of annoying that in TDK he didnt have a split personality or daddy issues.

It just seemed like an angry guy that wanted revenge and decided to use chance to decide which people he felt were responsible to kill. He just wasnt as crazy as the comics character.

I think he was more mentally ill even in The long halloween which is what TDK was drawing from.

Oh well though minor annoyances over an excellent movie. Also missed no joker venom too.

[Bats]

I believe the 'split personality' hinted at in TDK was only about Dent being the city's White Knight D.A., all the while having the internal conflict of wanting to be someone like Batman. In both the comics & movie I think, Batman wanted to be someone like Dent, and Dent always wanted to be someone like Batman. Then when he is burnt, that conflict was only about people living or dying.

If they made another movie with him, they would have probably explored his issues like those in the comics. Sucks that we can't see more of that arc, but I'm fine with it.

[Rasputin911]

Tommy Lee Jones didn't suck, it wasn't his fault that the director and script writers decided to make him a joker rip off. I think TLJ would of been a awesome Harvey Dent if he was in the right film with the right creative team behind it.

good point. i meant that tommy's characterization sucked.

Two-Face could be a truly great, epic villain if a director gave him the chance

[El Payaso]

Tommy Lee Jones didn't suck, it wasn't his fault that the director and script writers decided to make him a joker rip off.

TLJ, as any other actor, could have said "Mh, this is nothing but a Joker's rip-off amd my dialogues suck. Sorry but I'm not doing this." Michael keaton walked out of the movie because of the approach and he didn't even have TLJ's career as an actor. And it is known that Edward Norton doesn't do things he think could be done better.

Of course Schumacher is the main one to blame, but TLJ offered himself to do it the way it was planned. His mistake. The fact remains; his performance, even as a Joker's rip off, sucked.

I think TLJ would of been a awesome Harvey Dent if he was in the right film with the right creative team behind it.

Absolutely. He was talented enough to do it brilliantly.

He would have been. But he wasn't.

[Bloodwynd]

Indeed, and I think that Eckhart captured Dent/Two-Face perfectly. Harvey was the backbone of this movie, and they didn't show him after he got his scarred face too much, so I thought everything was very well put together.

[Doctor Jones]

I agree, his first speech in the movie about luck was actually pretty good IMO. Went downhill from there though.


Also it was kind of annoying that in TDK he didnt have a split personality or daddy issues.

It just seemed like an angry guy that wanted revenge and decided to use chance to decide which people he felt were responsible to kill. He just wasnt as crazy as the comics character.

I think he was more mentally ill even in The long halloween which is what TDK was drawing from.

Oh well though minor annoyances over an excellent movie. Also missed no joker venom too.

Does everything need to be true to the character? Can't you accept more than one interpretation? I preferred this Dent over the one with the obvious daddy isues and the split personality. I though those were cheap to develop Dent. It's not about that at all. It's about what's going on in him internally. It was the tradgedy of Dent that accoompanied the theme of the story.

[Rasputin911]

Indeed, and I think that Eckhart captured Dent/Two-Face perfectly. Harvey was the backbone of this movie, and they didn't show him after he got his scarred face too much, so I thought everything was very well put together.

how does not showing him much after the scarring "capture Two-Face perfectly"?

[Rasputin911]

Does everything need to be true to the character? Can't you accept more than one interpretation? I preferred this Dent over the one with the obvious daddy isues and the split personality. I though those were cheap to develop Dent. It's not about that at all. It's about what's going on in him internally. It was the tradgedy of Dent that accoompanied the theme of the story.

1. We can "accept" it...maybe we just would like a different one better

2. Without the "daddy issues" and former dark side (i don't prefer a completely split personality), we don't have much of an explanation for Harvey lashing out the way he did.

[Doctor Jones]

1. We can "accept" it...maybe we just would like a different one better

2. Without the "daddy issues" and former dark side (i don't prefer a completely split personality), we don't have much of an explanation for Harvey lashing out the way he did.

He was angry at Gordon "dying." Also the Joker's choas. It's taking him apart. Bit by bit though the picture. Fragments taken away if you notice as it get more into the film.

But that's your opinion. It's just what you like really. You prefer that, that's fine. But I just prefer the internall struggles of Dent. His tragic downfall that's carried as the theme of the film. I though Dent's arc was so much more tragic and emotional in TDK than it was in TLH. I loved the irony of his downfall in the courtroom in TLH, but this fir the story. Two Face was aprt of Dent's cycle. Alot like Darth Vader. He had to become Two Face and die to show Batman the reason why we needed heroes. He served his purpose in a way for Batman's purpose.

Joker's reign of chaos and his desire to watch the world burn literally and figurativally rubbed off on Harvey.