8.05 - Committed - Discussion Thread (Spoilers)

[LostSon88]

Oliver has a lot to do with that wounded psyche...

So I'm willing to bet that it was around the time that Ollie cheated on her that Lex found her (sad, broken, depressed) and began her turn to the dark side...

[Brainiac 8]

Well let me tell you I was pleasantly surprised, I really enjoyed this episode!

It was enjoyable/fun to watch. As I said, anvils will be dropping at they did. I finally actually believe that Chloe might actually love Jimmy more than she does Clark. Unless is was Brainiac who can control a lie detector. Lois is a funny drunk.

Oh and whoever says Clark and Lois have no chemistry together, well to put it nicely as I can, need to shut the ***** up!

Somehow I think Ollie has the crystal. I mean, Clark does get it back, and he has been spending some time with Tess. I dunno, call it a hunch....


Very interesting theory...my only problem with it is that would Oliver ever see her as ready to give her Clark's secret? I'm not thinking so.

[b24]

Wow IGN actually ranked this episode pretty low, giving it a 4.8 out of 10.

http://tv.ign.com/articles/921/921001p1.html

maybe i m wrong but somehow i get the idea that whole pop media is against idea of superman

receantly there are lots of anti-superman brigade going on 1st how batman is cool superhero and superman's era is gone

then whole why superman way past its prime news

maybe people consider having superheroes as dark like batman or arrogant like ironaman cool thing or "it" thing for superhero franchise

[Superfreak]

Very interesting theory...my only problem with it is that would Oliver ever see her as ready to give her Clark's secret? I'm not thinking so.


I dunno, I don't think it's oliver. He has never encountered our special crystals if I remember correctly. Hate to say it, but I think it's Lana, of all the characters, her's is the most closely tied to it, behind those of kryptonian origin

[KBX]

Very interesting theory...my only problem with it is that would Oliver ever see her as ready to give her Clark's secret? I'm not thinking so.

Well, Lex might be the one who took the crystal from Tess. Why can't Ollie be the one who take it from Lex? I mean Lex lost these type of stuff all the time. Ollie will use some line like "One of my people found/stole this" while showing it to Clark.

We know Clark is going to get the crystal back, just don't know from where.

[LostSon88]

What if its Kara?

[Brainiac 8]

Once again, I'm not sure Lana would ever divulge that. Wouldn't her E-Mail be more along the lines of:

"I haz yur krystal...Yoink!"

and not so much "You're not ready yet."

Oh, and yes, I sickingly find lolcats funny. go fig. :p

[KBX]

I dunno, I don't think it's oliver. He has never encountered our special crystals if I remember correctly. Hate to say it, but I think it's Lana, of all the characters, her's is the most closely tied to it, behind those of kryptonian origin

Lana is not coming back before Clark gets the fortress running again, so thats why I rule her out. Unless Clark one day, just happens to hears something, speeds to the Arctic, and BAM he sees the fortress.

[Darknightnomis]

Another great epoisode in what may end up being their best season (if Lex return that is).

And let me tell you why...LOIS AND CLARK!

Yep, because the show is now focusing on the blossoming (and very entertaining) romance between Lois and Clark and not on the depressing on-and-of, dsetiny to failed romance of Clark and Lana, it feels as if it got a new lease on life.

Clark and Lois have more chemistry in a single episode than Clark and Lana had for six seasons.

[Superfreak]

Lana is not coming back before Clark gets the fortress running again, so thats why I rule her out. Unless Clark one day, just happens to hears something, speeds to the Arctic, and BAM he sees the fortress.

ah, haven't really been into the spoilers this year. I just figured since she's the only one who's brain was taken over when the crystal was first found and put together.

my fall back has always been Ma Kent... umpossible but perhaps. She's the only powerful person left in Clark's life who can pull strings to keep him secret. Made even more significant by the fact that her current off screen role as senator was 'given' to her by Lionel/Jor'el.

[KBX]

Another great epoisode in what may end up being their best season (if Lex return that is).

And let me tell you why...LOIS AND CLARK!

Yep, because the show is now focusing on the blossoming (and very entertaining) romance between Lois and Clark and not on the depressing on-and-of, dsetiny to failed romance of Clark and Lana, it feels as if it got a new lease on life.

Clark and Lois have more chemistry in a single episode than Clark and Lana had for six seasons.

To tell the story of Superman before Superman, you have to have a lot of Clark and Lana. One can say, Clark realized his mistakes from Lana, so he can move on with another woman(Lois), and not make those mistakes. Similar to what Chloe said about Clark, finding the perfect man in Jimmy. You don't need six seasons of Clark and Lana, yes I agree, maybe have some other Clark love interest for a season, but Clana started out interesting.

[KBX]

ah, haven't really been into the spoilers this year. I just figured since she's the only one who's brain was taken over when the crystal was first found and put together.

my fall back has always been Ma Kent... umpossible but perhaps. She's the only powerful person left in Clark's life who can pull strings to keep him secret. Made even more significant by the fact that her current off screen role as senator was 'given' to her by Lionel/Jor'el.


Well sorry if I spoiled that to you.:csad:

Your right about Ma Kent, but it just seems Smallville just dropped her from the storyline. When Ollie wasn't around, they mentioned him like every other episode. There doing that with Lex, a lot this season, even some of Lionel.

[SpideyVille]

To tell the story of Superman before Superman, you have to have a lot of Clark and Lana. One can say, Clark realized his mistakes from Lana, so he can move on with another woman(Lois), and not make those mistakes. Similar to what Chloe said about Clark, finding the perfect man in Jimmy. You don't need six seasons of Clark and Lana, yes I agree, maybe have some other Clark love interest for a season, but Clana started out interesting.
I agree, Clana was definitely needed and it was handled very well for the first 2 seasons. But from midway thru season 3 til the end of season 7 it was just clear that it was being dragged on too long and wasn't really handled properly.

[Darknightnomis]

I agree, Clana was definitely needed and it was handled very well for the first 2 seasons. But from midway thru season 3 til the end of season 7 it was just clear that it was being dragged on too long and wasn't really handled properly.

Exactly.

[Captivated]

Clark and Lois have more chemistry in a single episode than Clark and Lana had for six seasons.OMG... :rolleyes: Seriously?! That has to be one of the most RIDICULOUS things I've ever read here... and there have been PLENTY of absurdities to choose from!

[Brainiac 8]

It's ok, I don't agree with that statement either. Welling and Kreuk had plenty of chemistry throughout the show. My wife was extremely vested in their relationship until I ruined it for her and told her that nothing comes of it. :p

[Sawyer]

Wow, a great revelation from Lois, only to be erased by her saying that she managed to trick the lie detector. Bulls***! Why do I keep watching this show?
Oh, wait, now I remember... Doomsday.

[Migu-EL]

Hulk is in next weeks episode! :eek:

I hope it's Eric Bana. :up:

LOL...:woot: They didn't have a Doomsday smilie.:csad:

[Brainiac 8]

Hulk would be an awesome cameo. We all talk about Batman and Wonderwoman, but we never talk about the possibility of Hulk or DarkClaw showing up. Spread the word! :up:

[Migu-EL]

Hulk would be an awesome cameo. We all talk about Batman and Wonderwoman, but we never talk about the possibility of Hulk or DarkClaw showing up. Spread the word! :up:


Will Do.:cwink:

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/thumb/a/a2/Darkclaw.jpg/200px-Darkclaw.jpg

[LostSon88]

Wow, a great revelation from Lois, only to be erased by her saying that she managed to trick the lie detector. Bulls***! Why do I keep watching this show?
Oh, wait, now I remember... Doomsday.

Um...it was pretty obvious that she was lying about tricking the lie detector. She was telling the truth when she said she loved Clark.

It'd be kinda lame for both Lois and Clark to put all their cards on the table this early in the season. Shoot it took two seasons before we finally got Clark and Lana together.

Lois loves Clark she's just not willing to come to terms with it.

...yet.

[Brainiac 8]

Exactly, and they'll still be playing with this plot, they are not just going to drop it.

In fact spoilers point to the fact that they get much closer, and Lana coming back gets Lois a little on the riled side. :D

Showing their hand five episodes into the season would be stupid.

[Superfreak]

Exactly, and they'll still be playing with this plot, they are not just going to drop it.

In fact spoilers point to the fact that they get much closer, and Lana coming back gets Lois a little on the riled side. :D

Showing their hand five episodes into the season would be stupid.

well that means there's only 15 left

[LostSon88]

Which is plenty of time to develop their love for one another.

Exactly, and they'll still be playing with this plot, they are not just going to drop it.

In fact spoilers point to the fact that they get much closer, and Lana coming back gets Lois a little on the riled side. :D

Showing their hand five episodes into the season would be stupid.

Yep...that's going to be fun to see--a jealous Lois.

[Migu-EL]

well that means there's only 15 left

17 if they go the usual route of 22 episodes in a season.

[Brainiac 8]

well that means there's only 15 left

Well, in most cases the seasons are 22 episodes long, we only had twenty last season due to the writers strike.

Which is plenty of time to develop their love for one another.


Yep...that's going to be fun to see--a jealous Lois.

Honestly, I'm looking forward to it. Maybe the finale will be Doomsday killing Clark (Or so it seems) and Lois finally spilling her feelings to him. I would love that. :up:

[Darknightnomis]

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Originally Posted by Darknightnomis http://forums.superherohype.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=15835204#post15835204)
Clark and Lois have more chemistry in a single episode than Clark and Lana had for six seasons.

OMG... :rolleyes: Seriously?! That has to be one of the most RIDICULOUS things I've ever read here... and there have been PLENTY of absurdities to choose from!

Serious as a kryptonite heart attack.

Clark and Lois actaully seem to enjoy each other even when changing jabs at one another. I feel elated and happy after watching them on screen.

Clark and Lana made want to slit my wrist.

http://img344.imageshack.us/img344/2876/supesmanipwmdu0.gif

[Brainiac 8]

A Kryptonite heart attack?

I hear they aren't so bad...in most cases you can walk them off. :p

[Darknightnomis]

a kryptonite heart attack?

I hear they aren't so bad...in most cases you can walk them off. :p

lol!

[SpideyVille]

Exactly, and they'll still be playing with this plot, they are not just going to drop it.

In fact spoilers point to the fact that they get much closer, and Lana coming back gets Lois a little on the riled side. :D

Showing their hand five episodes into the season would be stupid.
I've said it once before and I'll say it again.
Lois and Clark are gonna start to get so close that there really won't be anything stopping them from getting together. But just as that's about to happen, Lana returns. This will cause Clark to contemplate his real real feelings of Lois, along with whether or not he has really moved on form Lana. By the time Lana leaves, Clark's gonna let her go much more easily than before and he's gonna be sure that Lois is his girl. But just as he comes o that realization, Lois is going to begin to draw back since Lana's return will make her think that Clark still has feelings for deep down. You can expect Lois and Clark to be dragged out just as much as, if not longer than Clark and Lana was in back in season 2.

Honestly, I'm looking forward to it. Maybe the finale will be Doomsday killing Clark (Or so it seems) and Lois finally spilling her feelings to him. I would love that. :up:
That sounds like something that came out of a comic book.:oldrazz:

But I'd like to see that. Just when things start to get interesting between Lois & Clark, Doomsday arrives and kills Clark.
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Originally Posted by Darknightnomis http://forums.superherohype.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=15835204#post15835204)
Clark and Lois have more chemistry in a single episode than Clark and Lana had for six seasons.

OMG... :rolleyes: Seriously?! That has to be one of the most RIDICULOUS things I've ever read here... and there have been PLENTY of absurdities to choose from!

Serious as a kryptonite heart attack.

Clark and Lois actaully seem to enjoy each other even when changing jabs at one another. I feel elated and happy.

Clark and Lana made want to slit my wrist.
To be fair, Clark and Lana was well done in the first couple of season was well done and served as the backbone of the show. It wasn't unil mid season 3 when they started all the angst and stuff, and the second half of season 5 to the middle of season 6 that made the whole relationship between the two just feel pointless and had people wondering when were they finally gonna just break up and stay that way.

TW and KK actually had great chemistry. It's just that Clana was more of a serious, angsty, teenage relationship, while Lois and Clark is shaping up to be a fun, entertaining, true romantic love. Clana just seems so bad because of the way the writers handled it. Obviously they're doing a much better job with Lois and Clark, which is great.
A Kryptonite heart attack?

I hear they aren't so bad...in most cases you can walk them off. :p:hehe:

[Darknightnomis]

To be fair, Clark and Lana was well done in the first couple of season was well done and served as the backbone of the show. It wasn't unil mid season 3 when they started all the angst and stuff, and the second half of season 5 to the middle of season 6 that made the whole relationship between the two just feel pointless and had people wondering when were they finally gonna jus break up and stay that way.


Absolutley. and I agreed the first time you mentioned this. See my coments on the previous page.

[SpideyVille]

Absolutley. and I agreed the first time you mentioned this. See my coments on the previous page.
I edited my last post, I added a little part after that. But basically, the real problem with Clark and Lana was that the characters grew up while the relationship never did. It stayed as some teenage high school relationship for 7 years, as opposed to Lois and Clark whose relationship is actually growing along with the two characters.

[Brainiac 8]

I tell you what, this episode had me in fanboy heaven the whole time, all because of how hot Welling and Durance were on screen together.

They just work as Lois & Clark, and they have their mannerisms and interplay down so well.

[Mandrill]

The problem with Lana and Clark was that as we know they don't end up together the constant will they wont they got tiresome.They should have reconciled them earlier and have them be friend's like they are in the comic's.

Especially as they then brought Lois in who could have taken over the love interest angle ,though admitedly I belive they were not allowed to have a romantic angle with Lois and Clark to start with.

The one thing I liked about this episode and apologies if it's been mentioned and I missed it was the voice mail of Lois drunk telling Chloe how sweet Clark is.

[The Caped Knight]

So, the good:


--Clark's football jersey

Their were two moments that I thought of When I saw Lois wearing The Football jersey in this episode .

One this one
http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/9475/loislanefl6.jpg
Lois Lane wearing nothing but Superman's t-shirt

And the famous promo Image of Teri Hatcher as Lois Lane wraped in Superman's cape. That was also seen in Superman comics [For Tomorrow] story arc
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q279/peter123_010/LoisClarkPubPhotosHQ152.jpg
http://ccccomicsgallery.net63.net/albums/userpics/10001/sm-212-16.jpghttp://ccccomicsgallery.net63.net/albums/userpics/10001/sm-212-17.jpg

[Captivated]

I've been enjoying this season more than I thought I would... I find the new characters and even Jimmy and Chloe pretty interesting. And since they are trying to be more "Lois and Clark" I'm glad they have improved on Lois' character.

ED and TW really have LACKED chemistry in the past, but I blame the writers. For so long they've had Lois ragging on Clark for no perceivable reason, I guess in some awkward attempt at building tension. But, IMO, it just made her look b*tchy. And NOW all of a sudden, for no reason that we've been made privy to yet, they're writing Lois in love with Clark?! Uhhh.... when and why did this happen? :huh:

Yeah, we all know that Lois and Clark end up together, but that doesn't mean the writers can be lazy... they should at least drop some bread crumbs... some indication of HOW and WHY it happens. It would just be so much more believable and powerful if the writers didn't assume so much.

They have let Lois be more "likable" this season.. softer... and that combined with the the "work" that ED obviously had done, her character is more attractive. Thank goodness.

And except for being annoyed at the lack of an explanation or hint at the evolution of their current relationship, I am liking where they are going.

This episode had some much improved scenes between Lois and Clark. Having her get drunk was a poor choice (especially since she swore off booze after the frat party fiasco) but then, I don't think drunk is funny. However, the scene at the farm was pretty cute. The phone message that Lois left Chloe was very short but signifigant because it actually gave us a CLUE as to how and why Lois is warming up to Clark.

The scene with the lie-detector was very well played for both couples. I have trouble believing that Chloe doesn't still love Clark, but I'm sure she loves Jimmy too. I was holding my breath when Lois was answering those questions and thought ED did a great job. And TW... loved the play of emotions that crossed his face. Not to mention he looked AMAZING ... I mean, WOW.

I just hope they (the writers) do a better job showing how and why the Lois and Clark relationship is evolving... They used to be much better at this whole character development thing.

[Brainiac 8]

Great stuff Kal. I will forever love Teri Hatcher as Lois, she was wonderful in the role. :O

The For Tomorrow story was great. :up:

[SpideyVille]

The problem with Lana and Clark was that as we know they don't end up together the constant will they wont they got tiresome.They should have reconciled them earlier and have them be friend's like they are in the comic's.

Especially as they then brought Lois in who could have taken over the love interest angle ,though admitedly I belive they were not allowed to have a romantic angle with Lois and Clark to start with.

The one thing I liked about this episode and apologies if it's been mentioned and I missed it was the voice mail of Lois drunk telling Chloe how sweet Clark is.
I agree, Lana should have found out about Clark's secret much earlier so that she could have been essentially what Chloe is now, which is his best and closest friend that knows his secret (aside from Pete). But that's what I don't like so much about this version of Clark Kent, which is that Lana has always been and seems like she will always be something special in a romantic sense to Clark. It's as though he can't be near her without wanting to be with her by his side forever. Hopefully they'll show him finally move on from her later on this season, but from the way things have been the past few seasons, Lana is more deadly to Clark than Kryptonite.

And yea, i dont think Lois was supposed to be around for long and they didn't really have the rights nor plans to make the two an item at the time. But if this season has showed us something, times are a changing. :woot::up:

[SpideyVille]

I've been enjoying this season more than I thought I would... I find the new characters and even Jimmy and Chloe pretty interesting. And since they are trying to be more "Lois and Clark" I'm glad they have improved on Lois' character.

ED and TW really have LACKED chemistry in the past, but I blame the writers. For so long they've had Lois ragging on Clark for no perceivable reason, I guess in some awkward attempt at building tension. But, IMO, it just made her look b*tchy. And NOW all of a sudden, for no reason that we've been made privy to yet, they're writing Lois in love with Clark?! Uhhh.... when and why did this happen? :huh:

Yeah, we all know that Lois and Clark end up together, but that doesn't mean the writers can be lazy... they should at least drop some bread crumbs... some indication of HOW and WHY it happens. It would just be so much more believable and powerful if the writers didn't assume so much.

They have let Lois be more "likable" this season.. softer... and that combined with the the "work" that ED obviously had done, her character is more attractive. Thank goodness.

And except for being annoyed at the lack of an explanation or hint at the evolution of their current relationship, I am liking where they are going.

This episode had some much improved scenes between Lois and Clark. Having her get drunk was a poor choice (especially since she swore off booze after the frat party fiasco) but then, I don't think drunk is funny. However, the scene at the farm was pretty cute. The phone message that Lois left Chloe was very short but signifigant because it actually gave us a CLUE as to how and why Lois is warming up to Clark.

The scene with the lie-detector was very well played for both couples. I have trouble believing that Chloe doesn't still love Clark, but I'm sure she loves Jimmy too. I was holding my breath when Lois was answering those questions and thought ED did a great job. And TW... loved the play of emotions that crossed his face. Not to mention he looked AMAZING ... I mean, WOW.

I just hope they (the writers) do a better job showing how and why the Lois and Clark relationship is evolving... They used to be much better at this whole character development thing.
It's funny because I was thinking about this during the episode last night. For some reason, I never used to like Lois. I thought ED was a bad choice and that Lois shouldn't have been on the show in the first place, yet for some reason I'm starting to really like her a lot more this season and I'm glad they're heading in this new direction.

On a side note, the only times i liked Lois' character when she first appeared was during all her interactions with Clark because they always added some humor to the show, and in the previous few seasons, their friendship allows them to show a side that they don't normally show to others.

[B]

I dont see this as a filler episode, there was a threat (like there always is) that was tied in to the storys progression

The Lois & Clark elements where all great & showed some good chemistry between them, in particular with the Ring Buying & Elevator Scene at the end

There where also alot of wonderful 1 liners in this for example

Lois - A smile every now and then wouldnt kill you

Clark - I'm on short supply Lois, I wouldnt wanna waste one

I wanted Heath Ledger to bounce into the scene and say Lets put a smile on that face , Lois's line about the car headlights was good as well

My only problem with the episode was the Chloe & Jimmy stuff, theres just too much of it...I dont mind them dont get me wrong, but they need to tone down the amount of hug you moments for those two & the I love you speaches as well...

I was preying when Jimmy was saying I'm not who you think I am that he was gonna say "I am like that guy Adam with the weird Liver disease & I have 5 minites to live....my name isnt Jimmy Olsen either its Sinbad Horse Lover...the third"

3.9999999999 out of 5 from me

[Brainiac 8]

Didn't you already post all of that? :huh:

[COMPO]

hey i was just thinking Lex and Clark's journey was more Lex turning darker through the series and then finding out about Clark in this season Mercer is a dark character i wonder if she'll have a different path like when she finds out about Oliver she'll be conflicted about things. And her journey is becoming good again after being twisted by Lex.

[Dr. Chaos]

hey i was just thinking Lex and Clark's journey was more Lex turning darker through the series and then finding out about Clark in this season Mercer is a dark character i wonder if she'll have a different path like when she finds out about Oliver she'll be conflicted about things. And her journey is becoming good again after being twisted by Lex.
I think Tess is going to get alot nastier in her actions as time goes on.

She hasn't reached the point of no return like Lex has but I think it's going to get worse before she can really take a good look at what she's becoming.

Down the line, when they can get Rosenbaum back for a set of episodes to end the series, they might take the time to turn her against Lex but as things stand now, they understandably need her as their top heel.

She obviously has this fantasy of Lex being some great protector, I look forward to seeing that possibly shattered in the end.

[BizarroAids]

Loved the episode. I thought it was funny when Clark was waiting for Lois' answer and flinched when she answered yes, like he was goin to get shocked.:woot:

This is an example of another fun episode, and another reason why this season is fastly moving up my list of favorites.

Next weeks episode looked badass. Can't believe we're going to see some Doomsday action so early on, but still.:woot:

[Mikelus]

I really credit Kelly Souders, Brian Peterson, Todd Slavkin, and Darren Swimmer.

Miles & Millar were holding back the show's potential for far too long.

PS3 (producers) are following AlMiles plan for the most part:


Newsarama: Welcome to the hot seat, Darren! Let’s start with the biggest change for season eight – show creator Al Gough and Miles Millar are no longer with the show. Did you all have a “pow wow” before they left on how to stick to their blueprint for the series or did they give dispensation on following your own path for the eventual outcome of the show?

Darren Swimmer: We had lots of discussions about how things will carry on. A few of the things we’re doing this season are their direct suggestions or things they had put in motion. Since we’ve been working with them for six seasons, we’ve got a pretty good sense of where they plan on going with the story, and we would like to stick to their vision as much as possible.

They’ve shared with us their concept of the way they see some of the final scenes, but they’ve been very generous about letting us take the series where we feel it needs to go. Overall, they’ve been incredibly helpful and supportive during the transitional period, and they’re not falling off the map. We have and we’ll continue to run ideas past them once in awhile.

What I don't like about PS3 is them wanting a S9 when Clark is ready to become Superman this season, there's no need to drag this up any longer, only exception would be a full Superman show, which is not going to happen because of the movies.

[b24]

^^ yea but don't u think they have diffrent way of handling the show than almiles did

u can see change in the show too from clark's personality to overall feel and look of the show

[The Incredible Hulk]

PS3 (producers) are following AlMiles plan for the most part:

A few of the thingswe’re doing this season are their direct suggestions or things they had put in motion

They’ve shared with us their concept of the way they see some of the final scenes, but they’ve been very generous about letting us take the series where we feel it needs to go.



those seem to contradict one another....

[Mikelus]

^^ Not really, of course they will give it some personal touch, but they will not change most of it, the main difference is no Clanadrama. :hehe:
They still have some triangles going or coming, Olitess as the new couple, the Chimmy wedding, etc. But with Clark "alone", accepting his destiny and the iconic Clois moments, fans are happier with this season.

[Gmanofsteel]

Frankly, I'd bet anything that if miles and gough were still at the helm, chloe would have admitted she had some kind of feelings for clark in this episode. Those two could never let the darn chlark crap die.

[Mikelus]

They were going to end the Chloe pinning for Clark anyway because this season is more about Clark becoming Superman, Lois a top reporter, closer to the mythos. The whole process started last season with Chimmy getting closer and Chloe being fired from the DP by Lex (part of AlMiles plan).

[b24]

i still wonder what ACTUALLY made almiles to leave the show

i mean their departure came suddenly one moment they were talking about how they are looking forward to seseaon 8 and how they are glad that strike is over

and then next moment they write long letter saying goodbye which resembled lana's goodbye video

i m quite sure there can't be smoke without any fire something must have happend

[Webhead2006]

FRom what i heard it was about money and the show's contiuly getting lowered budget. But i am happy to see them go, in the begining like seasons 1-4 they were good but season 5-7 things got worst here and there and they totally draged the whole lana/clark relationship way to long and i hated what they did with her character. Where this season under the control of PS3 i am really enjoying lois and clark friendship and working relationship and i can see them being in a much better relationship then he ever had with lana.

[KBX]

Craig sorta hinted this, so I must say he does remind me of Anarky...

http://re3.yt-thm-a01.yimg.com/image/25/m5/3123115663

or in movie terms, something like V in V for Vendetta....

[Webhead2006]

who is that anarky guy?

[Gmanofsteel]

They were going to end the Chloe pinning for Clark anyway because this season is more about Clark becoming Superman, Lois a top reporter, closer to the mythos. The whole process started last season with Chimmy getting closer and Chloe being fired from the DP by Lex (part of AlMiles plan).

All the while they (Al & Gough) had hinted in the past that they might rekindle a romance between them, thank God that won't happen now.

[Prison Mike]

saw this episode last night. It was really fun to watch. Erica and Tom have so much chemistry together that anyone who says different is blind. We got good action, good foreshadowing, and best of all, Lois' daily planets!

I also liked that they delved in more of Tess and Oliver's backstory. I figured they were a couple once after seeing Toxic. I wonder how their relationship will progress through the season. I do wonder though, why didn't they show Lois and Clark telling Oliver that their "marriage" was fake. Maybe it happened Offscreenville or maybe Oliver still doesn't know? It was fun to watch Oliver's reaction to the news but I think they should clear that up.

[The Incredible Hulk]

^^ Not really, .

the quote you posted doesnt back up your contention about "most" of what PS3 are doing is Al&Miles' plan. When in the quote they're saying they're only doing "some" of the stuff that was laid out previously.

[Syncos]

ED and TW really have LACKED chemistry in the past, but I blame the writers. For so long they've had Lois ragging on Clark for no perceivable reason, I guess in some awkward attempt at building tension. But, IMO, it just made her look b*tchy. And NOW all of a sudden, for no reason that we've been made privy to yet, they're writing Lois in love with Clark?! Uhhh.... when and why did this happen? :huh:

Yeah, we all know that Lois and Clark end up together, but that doesn't mean the writers can be lazy... they should at least drop some bread crumbs... some indication of HOW and WHY it happens. It would just be so much more believable and powerful if the writers didn't assume so much.

And except for being annoyed at the lack of an explanation or hint at the evolution of their current relationship, I am liking where they are going.

I just hope they (the writers) do a better job showing how and why the Lois and Clark relationship is evolving... They used to be much better at this whole character development thing.

Either you aren't watching, or you're not paying attention. There's been a ton of moments in the last few seasons where Lois and Clark have been there for one another, and have gone from basically acquaintances to friends poking fun at one another, to something deeper. They've shown a pretty steady progression in their relationship. Not every great romance is love at first sight.

I'd quote specific references, but then I'd have to rewatch a lot of episodes to get them. There was a lot of it last season. Including Clark consoling Lois after her breakup with Ollie, and the returned favor when Clark got the message from Lana.

[Syncos]

Something i've really liked about the show this season is how they've made Oliver's characterization more like the Ollie we all know and love. He's less of a Batman knockoff, and more of the womanizing self righteous douche he should be.

The most obvious is how Tess is obviously pissed that Ollie cheated on her, and he trys to charm or buy his way around the issue.

[Mikelus]

Only them know how much of AlMiles plan they will follow, but saying they're sticking to their vision as much as possible says it all. ;)

What is sure, is that PS3 give AlMiles a lot of credit, maybe more than needed, they sound like fanboys. A couple of tidbits from Smallville Magazine:

Kelly Souders: Looking at Clark and the greatest foes in his life, obviously Doomsday is at the top of that list. We had a great run with Brainiac and there are definitely remnants of him around this year, let's put it that way. We were looking for a character Clark could really go up against and it be a real challenge. In the great Smallville tradition that Al and Miles created, we are looking at the character of Doomsday through a different prism.


BP: We get to take a villian, and put him through the same journey Clark went on, and but instead of becoming a hero, he realizess he is a villian, which is a really nice mirror to what Al and Miles did in the very first season.

[The Caped Knight]

Lois & Clark the Cutest Couple (http://blog.zap2it.com/korbitv/2008/10/korbi-superla-1.html) according to Zap2it.com

Cutest Couple: Smallville's Lois & Clark. Or should I say, Smallville's Lois & Smallville? Their chemistry is palpable. You could actually feel it in last night's opening scene at Chloe and Jimmy's engagement party. She razzes him incessantly and his face just lights up when he smiles at her. My apologies to those who prefer Clark with another, there is electricity between these two. And speaking of the sparks, I squealed like a school girl when she was forced, upon pain of electrocution, to admit her love for him last night. You too? :super:

[Brainiac 8]

Only them know how much of AlMiles plan they will follow, but saying they're sticking to their vision as much as possible says it all. ;)

What is sure, is that PS3 give AlMiles a lot of credit, maybe more than needed, they sound like fanboys. A couple of tidbits from Smallville Magazine:


Don't you recognize lip service when you see it?

Noone is going to bad mouth the boss and his ideas even after their gone, it's bad form. You can tell the major changes PS3 has put into effect considering how different the show feels now with the new management. That is not coincidence.

[LadyVader]

Let's not get carried away. Smallville is still plagued by plot convenience and cheap romantic melodrama. The most postive thing going on is the focus on Lois and Clark which would've happened anyway, because KK has left the show. What I want to see is more of Clark maturing and embracing his destiny, outside of his conection to Lois.

[Asteroid-Man]

I give this show a 9/10. Why so high for a crappy plot? In the long run it pushed so much forward that we kept coming back to. I would've given it a 10 if instead of telling Clark she took off the censor that she kissed him in the elevator.

[Prison Mike]

Let's not get carried away. Smallville is still plagued by plot convenience and cheap romantic melodrama. The most postive thing going on is the focus on Lois and Clark which would've happened anyway, because KK has left the show. What I want to see is more of Clark maturing and embracing his destiny, outside of his conection to Lois.

I think Clark's maturity has been pretty evident in these last couple of episodes. He's very different from last season. And it's from his own accord. I don't think Lois is connected to Clark's maturity.

[Mikelus]

Don't you recognize lip service when you see it?

Noone is going to bad mouth the boss and his ideas even after their gone, it's bad form. You can tell the major changes PS3 has put into effect considering how different the show feels now with the new management. That is not coincidence.

The point is some fans are giving too much credit to PS3. Clark was going to move forward sooner or later, KK leaving the show might have accelerated the whole dynamic, don't forget that Clark is still recovering from losing Lana, "Toxic" and "Instinct" showed that. And when Lana comes back, he may have second thoughts, PS3 have written a lot of Clana angst in the past, don't forget it. ;)

Let's not get carried away. Smallville is still plagued by plot convenience and cheap romantic melodrama. The most postive thing going on is the focus on Lois and Clark which would've happened anyway, because KK has left the show. What I want to see is more of Clark maturing and embracing his destiny, outside of his conection to Lois.

Agreed! :up:

[Syncos]

The point is some fans are giving too much credit to PS3. Clark was going to move forward sooner or later, KK leaving the show might have accelerated the whole dynamic, don't forget that Clark is still recovering from losing Lana, "Toxic" and "Instinct" showed that. And when Lana comes back, he may have second thoughts, PS3 have written a lot of Clana angst in the past, don't forget it. ;)



Agreed! :up:

I don't believe that for a second. Al and Miles would always promise change and dangle it over our heads, and then snatch it away at a moments notice. There's been way more change in the first few episodes this season than in the last 3 seasons.

[SpideyVille]

The point is some fans are giving too much credit to PS3. Clark was going to move forward sooner or later, KK leaving the show might have accelerated the whole dynamic, don't forget that Clark is still recovering from losing Lana, "Toxic" and "Instinct" showed that. And when Lana comes back, he may have second thoughts, PS3 have written a lot of Clana angst in the past, don't forget it. ;)
That's what I'm afraid of, yet at the same time I think this time around they're finally gonna give Clana the proper goodbye and closure that it's long awaited.

But i know where you're coming from. PS3 isn't run by people who just showed up and decided that this should slowly turn into a Superman show. Instead it's made up of people who have been around the show for a long time and are trying to use the same things that AlMiles used to make the show run as long as it has. It's important to remember that these guys have been around for both the best and worst times of the series. They just seem to be pulling triggers on things that Al Miles tried to avoid.

[The Incredible Hulk]

The point is some fans are giving too much credit to PS3. Clark was going to move forward sooner or later, KK leaving the show might have accelerated the whole dynamic, don't forget that Clark is still recovering from losing Lana, "Toxic" and "Instinct" showed that. And when Lana comes back, he may have second thoughts, PS3 have written a lot of Clana angst in the past, don't forget it. ;)


anything written by them while Al & Miles were running the show is questionable IMO because in the end they had to do what AL & Miles ultimately wanted with the characters. Al & Miles were the two with the love affair for Lana who didnt seem like they knew what to do with her after Season 2. Guess we'll have to see what happens when Kreuk comes back in a few weeks.

[Webhead2006]

Yea i so hope when kk is back as lana in episodes 10-14 we dont fall back into the crap of the lana and clark relationship roller coaster that has been a total disater for yrs now. As for the whole thing with PS3 saying they are sticking to things al/miles have/would have done. We dont know for sure how true that is, and other others have said they probably dont want to bash their former boss's but we know alot of the crew/cast were very unhappy for the past few seasons and things look different now.

[Lunar_Wolf]

When Lana returns, I hope Clark says ''I'm a man now..And I need a woman'' and pushes Lana out of the way!

[Hush]

LOL that was a great post Lunar Wolf.

[Webhead2006]

yea i hope something like that, i would hate to see this new proactive clark fall back to mopey/depressed clark we had from seasons 5-7.

[LostSon88]

I don't believe that for a second. Al and Miles would always promise change and dangle it over our heads, and then snatch it away at a moments notice. There's been way more change in the first few episodes this season than in the last 3 seasons.

You hit the nail on the head.

How many times did they promise us, "This is the year Clark embraces his destiny," only to leave us hanging in the dust time after time? Ugh, I got so sick of that line because I swear they'd say it all the time post-season 3.

Heck remember when they freakin' described season 5 as "Superman in Training"?! :o

Fortunately, thanks to PS3, we finally got that here...in season 8.

[The Caped Knight]

yea i hope something like that, i would hate to see this new proactive clark fall back to mopey/depressed clark we had from seasons 5-7.

Well the real test begins when lana returns .

[Asteroid-Man]

I hope when Lana comes back, lois and clark are together.

[LostSon88]

I doubt it. What'll most likely happen is Lois and Clark will appear to be on the verge of being together when Lana unexpectedly arrives and screws it all up.

Erica herself said that Lois will be "heartbroken" over it as Clark begins to re-evaluate whether or not he truly is over Lana and ready to embrace his feelings for Lois...

[Asteroid-Man]

You don't that I hope that will happen? :huh:

...ok there buddy. As far as I know, I can hope whatever the hell I want.

[Syncos]

I hope when Lana comes back, lois and clark are together.

Those are some pretty high hopes. It's not going to happen. Maybe after a season (or seasons) of will they/wont they, Lois and Clark could get together. Remember that this is Smallville, hombre. The management may have changed, but the product, besides having a slick new path, is relatively the same.

[LostSon88]

You don't that I hope that will happen? :huh:

...ok there buddy. As far as I know, I can hope whatever the hell I want.

Um...okay, that made absolutely ZERO sense.

-You said you "hope they're together by the time Lana arrives."

-I said "I doubt it will happen."

How exactly is that me imposing my opinion on yours?

You made a point. And I made a point. In no way was I criticizing your point.

Nice try though, "buddy". :o

[Syncos]

Um...okay, that made absolutely ZERO sense.

-You said you "hope they're together by the time Lana arrives."

-I said "I doubt it will happen."

How exactly is that me imposing my opinion on yours?

You made a point. And I made a point. In no way was I criticizing your point.

Nice try though, "buddy". :o

He's pointing out a flaw in how you wrote it, he said "I hope it happens" and you said "I doubt it". thus the whole "you doubt my opinion?" nonsense.

Doesn't make it less stupid. But it does technically make sense.

[LostSon88]

Gotcha'. Still, that post confused the hell outta me... :hehe:

[Mikelus]

Fortunately, thanks to PS3, we finally got that here...in season 8.

Lets leave all the Clanadrama and angsty soap opera crap AlMiles gave us aside for a moment.

- Kristin Kreuk leaves the show, no more Lana. PS3 have Clark free of any relationship (for the moment) and because S8 could be the last, they have to move Clark closer to his destiny. Now, this doesn't mean that Clark & Lois is going to be "angst free", specially if they get a S9 (oh no!!).

Erica Durance gave us a hint about some potential angst down the line:

Q: Will Lana Lang return at all this season?

Erica: "We're going to have Lana come back a little this season, much to Lois's chagrin I'm sure. I think Lana's making her way back a little."

http://tvdramas.about.com/od/smallville/a/ericaduranceint.htm

So, we are lucky Lana is back for just 5 episodes, otherwise we would have another angsty and long triangle. PS3 love the drama, we also have the new ship of Oliver and Tess and the triangle of Chloe, Jimmy and Davis, just keeping the SV tradition. I can see fans bashing them later in the season, same old story.

[Chris Wallace]

I kinda felt robbed here. I knew they would most likely cheese out of it somehow, but I really want the ball to get rolling on this Lois & CLark thing.

[Tron5000]

Lana is gone and she needs to stay that way. Doesn't Kristen Kreuk have some Chun-Li s*** to do or something? I'll only be happy with her coming back if the character is officially, not ambiguously, killed off.

She had 7 years of Clark fawning all over her. Now Clark's a big boy and he needs to be in a big boy relationship. No more of this teen angst hullabaloo. Just solve some crimes, kick the crap out of some bad guys, and get you a little Lois action while you're doing it.

[Prison Mike]

Lana is gone and she needs to stay that way. Doesn't Kristen Kreuk have some Chun-Li s*** to do or something? I'll only be happy with her coming back if the character is officially, not ambiguously, killed off.

She had 7 years of Clark fawning all over her. Now Clark's a big boy and he needs to be in a big boy relationship. No more of this teen angst hullabaloo. Just solve some crimes, kick the crap out of some bad guys, and get you a little Lois action while you're doing it.

Why do people blame Lana for Clark "fawning all over her"? How is it her fault that he couldn't get out of the Lana rut? :huh:

[Tron5000]

Why do people blame Lana for Clark "fawning all over her"? How is it her fault that he couldn't get out of the Lana rut? :huh:

It's not "her fault." It's never a character's fault. It's the fault of the writers and TPTB. It's just that we've been subjected to that for 7 years; it's time for Clark to move on along his journey to becoming Superman. I'm sure they will find some way for Lana's re-emergence to facilitate that, but I'm ready for Lois & Clark. Especially since we now know that Lois does, in fact, love him. I don't wish to see them backtrack away from that budding relationship.

I'll be cool with the Lana return if 1 of 2 things happen. 1) She dies. 2) She makes Clark realize that what they had was in the past, and that now his feelings for Lois overshadow the feelings he once had for Lana.

[LexFactor]

I've got a bad feeling that Lois and Clark will be on the brink of happening and then Lana will return and inadvertently mess things up. They'll bring closure to Clark and Lana but I worry about where it will leave the Lois and Clark relationship.

[Asteroid-Man]

Um...okay, that made absolutely ZERO sense.

-You said you "hope they're together by the time Lana arrives."

-I said "I doubt it will happen."

How exactly is that me imposing my opinion on yours?

You made a point. And I made a point. In no way was I criticizing your point.

Nice try though, "buddy". :o

He's pointing out a flaw in how you wrote it, he said "I hope it happens" and you said "I doubt it". thus the whole "you doubt my opinion?" nonsense.

Doesn't make it less stupid. But it does technically make sense.
Yeah pretty much
Gotcha'. Still, that post confused the hell outta me... :hehe:
Haha, no worries. I was only teasing. :yay:

[Tron5000]

I've got a bad feeling that Lois and Clark will be on the brink of happening and then Lana will return and inadvertently mess things up. They'll bring closure to Clark and Lana but I worry about where it will leave the Lois and Clark relationship.

This is what I'm saying. I want the focus to be on Lois & Clark, and that Street Fighter hussy is gon' mess everything up.

[Prison Mike]

It's not "her fault." It's never a character's fault. It's the fault of the writers and TPTB. It's just that we've been subjected to that for 7 years; it's time for Clark to move on along his journey to becoming Superman. I'm sure they will find some way for Lana's re-emergence to facilitate that, but I'm ready for Lois & Clark. Especially since we now know that Lois does, in fact, love him. I don't wish to see them backtrack away from that budding relationship.

I'll be cool with the Lana return if 1 of 2 things happen. 1) She dies. 2) She makes Clark realize that what they had was in the past, and that now his feelings for Lois overshadow the feelings he once had for Lana.

I don't think lana should die in order for Clark to move on. I think your second thing will most likely happen. Clark and Lois will be close to each other and then Lana comes and it makes Clark re-evaluate his feelings. I do think that Clark and Lana will stay friends but he and Lois won't be an item so soon. I think the producers will want to drag the clois relationship out as much as they can.

I've got a bad feeling that Lois and Clark will be on the brink of happening and then Lana will return and inadvertently mess things up. They'll bring closure to Clark and Lana but I worry about where it will leave the Lois and Clark relationship.

What you said will exactly happen. But I don't see that as a bad thing. It would be too soon to bring them together anyway. They still have the rest of the season to do and then the producers want a season 9 also. I'm sure Clois will be dragged out.

[Tron5000]

I don't think lana should die in order for Clark to move on. I think your second thing will most likely happen. Clark and Lois will be close to each other and then Lana comes and it makes Clark re-evaluate his feelings. I do think that Clark and Lana will stay friends but he and Lois won't be an item so soon. I think the producers will want to drag the clois relationship out as much as they can.

I don't think she HAS to die for Clark to move on. I just want her to. I want the character to be gone so we no longer have to worry about Clark & Lana.

When does the CW announce whether it has picked up a show for the following season? 'Cause the timeline for a Lois & Clark relationship could be dragged out for S9, but if they say that S8 is the last one, we will have to have some resolution on that front before the end. Lois & Clark together at the Daily Planet has made this season, so far, the most enjoyable for me.

[Prison Mike]

I don't think she HAS to die for Clark to move on. I just want her to. I want the character to be gone so we no longer have to worry about Clark & Lana.

When does the CW announce whether it has picked up a show for the following season? 'Cause the timeline for a Lois & Clark relationship could be dragged out for S9, but if they say that S8 is the last one, we will have to have some resolution on that front before the end. Lois & Clark together at the Daily Planet has made this season, so far, the most enjoyable for me.

if the show is cancelled after this season then I think the producers need to know by december/january. But I'm not sure it will be since the ratings have been pretty decent so far.

[Tron5000]

if the show is cancelled after this season then I think the producers need to know by december/january. But I'm not sure it will be since the ratings have been pretty decent so far.

It's not just the ratings that matter. I'm unaware of the details of the stars' contracts, but they would have to want to come back for another season.

The only reason I would not want a S9 (especially after the start to S8) would be if TW was unavailable, due to his playing the lead in the new Superman franchise. That, I believe I could accept.

I don't want them to plan on dragging things along for a S9, only to have the CW announce that S8 would be the final season. That leads to choppy show-making in an attempt to force the S9 plotlines into the second half of S8. We all know what happened with the writers' strike last year.

[Prison Mike]

It's not just the ratings that matter. I'm unaware of the details of the stars' contracts, but they would have to want to come back for another season.

The only reason I would not want a S9 (especially after the start to S8) would be if TW was unavailable, due to his playing the lead in the new Superman franchise. That, I believe I could accept.

I don't want them to plan on dragging things along for a S9, only to have the CW announce that S8 would be the final season. That leads to choppy show-making in an attempt to force the S9 plotlines into the second half of S8. We all know what happened with the writers' strike last year.

well they'll only continue if the CW picks up another season and Tom is signed. I know the producers do want another season and they have said that if this is the last season, then they need to know by the end of the year so they could put into motion their ending.

[sunflowercyn]

I've got a bad feeling that Lois and Clark will be on the brink of happening and then Lana will return and inadvertently mess things up. They'll bring closure to Clark and Lana but I worry about where it will leave the Lois and Clark relationship.

No worries there...Clark will have to do what he always has to do....chase Lois Lane. Once Clark realizes he's ready to move on from Lana and is head over heals for Lois Lane he's going to need more then super powers to get past those big walls Lois has undoubtedly put up after whatever happens in BRIDE. Trust Lois to not make it easy since they will have to work together but at the same time she'll be getting into lots of danger and Clark will have to save her. I dunno...to me this sounds like fun for us 'cause one this is for sure, it will not be anything like the Clark and Lana angst we have gotten used to seeing for all those years.

[LexFactor]

No worries there...Clark will have to do what he always has to do....chase Lois Lane. Once Clark realizes he's ready to move on from Lana and is head over heals for Lois Lane he's going to need more then super powers to get past those big walls Lois has undoubtedly put up after whatever happens in BRIDE. Trust Lois to not make it easy since they will have to work together but at the same time she'll be getting into lots of danger and Clark will have to save her. I dunno...to me this sounds like fun for us 'cause one this is for sure, it will not be anything like the Clark and Lana angst we have gotten used to seeing for all those years.

I really hope so. The Lois and Clark relationship has been fantastic so far this season and I hope that it continutes.

[Serene]

I don't think she HAS to die for Clark to move on. I just want her to. I want the character to be gone so we no longer have to worry about Clark & Lana.


You do know that Kristin Kreuk is no longer a regular on the show, right? And that Clark eventually ends up with Lois Lane?

I find your desire to KILL Lana Lang off in this show, when she's leaving anyway, to be a leeetle bit fanatical.

[Lunar_Wolf]

Lana coming back should only show that both her and Clark have moved on and what happened in the past has ended.

[Webhead2006]

i hope that is what they will do with lana/clark when lana is back for her 5 episodes. As for the season the producers have stated many times they have plans set in motion for the show to go a 9th season and to wrap it up if they get the call to end this season. We just dont know yet untill wb/cw gives them the call and most say they will probably know by the time mid season break happens.

[blksuperman2]

You do know that Kristin Kreuk is no longer a regular on the show, right? And that Clark eventually ends up with Lois Lane?

I find your desire to KILL Lana Lang off in this show, when she's leaving anyway, to be a leeetle bit fanatical.

Nice avy 'Rene. Who's the artist?

[ariellem]

I knew they would most likely cheese out of it somehow, but I really want the ball to get rolling on this Lois & CLark thing.
It's cheese... It's cheese... It's cheese that makes the world go 'round...


I don't think lana should die in order for Clark to move on.
At this point, would Lana dying - and Clark not preventing it because he chose not to use his powers - be Ollie's island? Clark would feel guilty, sure, but that would forever make her a martyr. This season on SV we're finally closer to the Reeve/Kidder superluminal flight than to a Lana version of it.

[AgentPat]

would Lana dying - and Clark not preventing it because he chose not to use his powers - be Ollie's island?I'm usually the first to say "never say never," but THAT would never happen. Powers or no powers, Clark tries to save everybody. His only problem has been in not being able to save everybody that needs saving.

That said, it does seem to be a common theme. Peter Parker didn't use his abilities to stop the thief who robbed the wrestling promoter and the thief went on to murder Peter's father; and Batman chose to save Harvey Dent instead of Rachel, and Dent then goes on to become Two Face. Ah you superheroes, what will we ever do with you and your poor decision, eh? :p

[ariellem]

^ I didn't mean he'd purposely let her die. Could be he tries to save her w/o using his powers but fails and vows thereafter to always use his powers to save people even if it might mean exposing himself. Could also be he doesn't know she's in danger until afterward, and he finds out that if he'd used his powers (or sooner, or differently) she would have lived.

[Syncos]

i hope that is what they will do with lana/clark when lana is back for her 5 episodes. As for the season the producers have stated many times they have plans set in motion for the show to go a 9th season and to wrap it up if they get the call to end this season. We just dont know yet untill wb/cw gives them the call and most say they will probably know by the time mid season break happens.

This is sketchy. I don't like it. They plan to go to another season, but if they get the call at mid season break to end the show this season, they'll rush out an ending, is what they're saying.

[Prison Mike]

This is sketchy. I don't like it. They plan to go to another season, but if they get the call at mid season break to end the show this season, they'll rush out an ending, is what they're saying.

I don't think the ending would be rushed. The way I see it, the producers have so far planned the season to go in two different paths. One path would lead to another season and the other path leads to the series finale. Both paths have been written out (in their minds at least) so they have thought about it. In that sense, the series finale would not be rushed but planned out carefully.

[Syncos]

I don't think the ending would be rushed. The way I see it, the producers have so far planned the season to go in two different paths. One path would lead to another season and the other path leads to the series finale. Both paths have been written out (in their minds at least) so they have thought about it. In that sense, the series finale would not be rushed but planned out carefully.

I don't think it can be that way. If they're leaving it open for more seasons, they're obviously planning on leaving goals unreached. I don't want them trying to lightswitch Clark from how he is now, to actually being Superman in like 5 episodes. Even if they've got both situations planned. I don't see them effectively having Clark create a second persona and execute that in a short amount of time. The end of the series should be a season long arc, at least half a season, and they're obviously not working to that.

[Serene]

Nice avy 'Rene. Who's the artist?

Thanks! I wish I could claim it as mine, but it's by ElectricMonk. I believe I found it either on LJ or K-Site.

[mellyM]

^ I didn't mean he'd purposely let her die. Could be he tries to save her w/o using his powers but fails and vows thereafter to always use his powers to save people even if it might mean exposing himself. Could also be he doesn't know she's in danger until afterward, and he finds out that if he'd used his powers (or sooner, or differently) she would have lived.

Clark has had plenty of islands, he doesn't need someone dying in spite of his best efforts, he just needs to make that final decision and I think already has all the tools to make it. He doesn't need to get eaten by mosquitoes :whatever:

lol

[Mikelus]

I don't think it can be that way. If they're leaving it open for more seasons, they're obviously planning on leaving goals unreached. I don't want them trying to lightswitch Clark from how he is now, to actually being Superman in like 5 episodes. Even if they've got both situations planned. I don't see them effectively having Clark create a second persona and execute that in a short amount of time. The end of the series should be a season long arc, at least half a season, and they're obviously not working to that.

PS3 have a plan:

I’m also curious, like since you guys are obviously going to go for a season 9, how challenging is it as writers to think about the arc of where the season finale is going to go because it may be the last season. It may not be the last season. So how are you planning for that?

Todd Slavkin: We have alternate endings this season. We know how this season will end if there’s a season 9, which we hope and we’re keeping our fingers crossed, and we believe there will be. And we have plans if this would be the series finale. So it’s just a matter of…right now we’re so early in the season that we don’t have to adjust yet, you know?

Darren Swimmer: But there’s an arc that either way, whether it’s the last season which it probably won’t be, or we go on—there’s still the arc….the story it’s not like we’re going to kind of have to like re-write and take out our erasers and re-write really fast. It’s going to be the same basic arc either way.

http://www.collider.com/entertainment/tv/article.asp/aid/8960/tcid/1


AlMiles always mentioned they had an ending launching sequence ready, so PS3 know what to do.

[Prison Mike]

^ Exactly. I knew there was an interview about it somewhere but I just couldn't find it. So the producers already have a plan and therefore, the series finale won't be rushed (if there is a need for one).

[Webhead2006]

yea that is what i was trying to say the other day they have plans to have a 9th season and a plan to end the show and since smallville is the top rated show for cw i would think if they do plan to end the show they would give the smallville folks the call so they have things set to end.

[triplet]

My review is up:

http://www.kryptonsite.com/committedreview.htm

[Brainiac 8]

Fantastic review Trip. I agree on practically everything you said. To me, this episode is the best one of the season, it just proved how fantastic Erica and Tom are as actors, and how sizzling hot their chemistry is on screen. :up:

[triplet]

Fantastic review Trip. I agree on practically everything you said. To me, this episode is the best one of the season, it just proved how fantastic Erica and Tom are as actors, and how sizzling hot their chemistry is on screen. :up:

Thanks...

Neary every minute of this episode was enjoyable, I was bored silly the first time I watched during the Tess/Oliver scenes, but Cassidy pulled that out of the fire on subsequent viewings.

She was completely awesome.

And I do so love it anytime Tom and Erica have scenes together now. They're both just wonderful.

I'm even on board now with the Chimmy!

:eek:

Imagine that!

:D

Allison finally sold me on that.

[Brainiac 8]

The only thing I didn't agree with was Oliver and Tess...for some reason I am really interested in finding out more about their past, and more importantly her past. I do wish that Oliver would wear his shirt more often though.

The duel scene between the two was fantastic and fun to watch. :up:

[triplet]

The only thing I didn't agree with was Oliver and Tess...for some reason I am really interested in finding out more about their past, and more importantly her past. I do wish that Oliver would wear his shirt more often though.

The duel scene between the two was fantastic and fun to watch. :up:

I'm not really that interested in their backgrounds, not really. I'm surprised that Ollie slept around on her, especially at it appears that she is important to him. or was.

*shrug*

Maybe, part of the problem for me is that I think poor Justin has reached his depth as an actor.

He's good at what he does with Oliver, but doesn't seem all that comfortable exploring more of Ollie's background.

*shrug*

[Webhead2006]

Once again trip very good review, i have enjoyed reading your reviews for a long time.

[triplet]

Once again trip very good review, i have enjoyed reading your reviews for a long time.

Thanks, webby!

;) :D

[Webhead2006]

np trip keep up the good work.

[triplet]

Yikes...

I've gotten some interesting comments in my PM box over on K-site about that Chloe/Jimmy dungeon scene.

They actually think that Chloe was still lying, that she had used her Brainiac powers to fool the lie detector and that she still loves Clark.

:eek:

What else can they do to let the Chlarkers know that Chloe and Clark are not meant to be?

:confused:

[Brainiac 8]

Actually Trip, that is one thing you mentioned in your review that I enjoyed..about the dungeon scene. I thought it was a testement to Allison Mack's acting, since she completely sold me on her relationship with Jimmy. I didn't mind it before, but that episode made it so now I am actually rooting for them.

I don't know if I buy the Brainiac thing...that seems like they are grasping a bit.

[AgentPat]

What else can they do to let the Chlarkers know that Chloe and Clark are not meant to be?Nothing. Absolutely nothing. Those people will forever believe the writers/producers are going to pen some sort of bizarre swap at the end of the show. It's ridiculous; I know. The writers have pulled out every stop they could (short of killing Chloe) to show that Clark's destiny - among many other things - is to be with Lois. On boards like TWoP, the "Chlois Theory" still pervades almost every thread to the point of many posters hating Lois with a passion. The more hints (anvils) the writers drop, the more people dig in their heals and say hell no, we won't go. LOL It's rather humorous and sad at the same time.

[Brainiac 8]

haha...Chloisers. :whatever:

It's one of the reasons I like chatting with the people here other than other sites, since most of those crazies don't come here. :p

[Gmanofsteel]

What else can they do to let the Chlarkers know that Chloe and Clark are not meant to be?

:confused:

A side from putting up giant promotion boards that say "Chloe will never be with Clark", not much :p

[Prison Mike]

VERY good review Trip! It was a good read.

[triplet]

Actually Trip, that is one thing you mentioned in your review that I enjoyed..about the dungeon scene. I thought it was a testement to Allison Mack's acting, since she completely sold me on her relationship with Jimmy. I didn't mind it before, but that episode made it so now I am actually rooting for them.

Yeah, I was sorta against the relationship by the end of last season, it had become so forced...

Allison saved it for me in this episode.

:up:

I don't know if I buy the Brainiac thing...that seems like they are grasping a bit.

Any port in a storm, I guess...

*shrug*

Nothing. Absolutely nothing. Those people will forever believe the writers/producers are going to pen some sort of bizarre swap at the end of the show. It's ridiculous; I know. The writers have pulled out every stop they could (short of killing Chloe) to show that Clark's destiny - among many other things - is to be with Lois. On boards like TWoP, the "Chlois Theory" still pervades almost every thread to the point of many posters hating Lois with a passion. The more hints (anvils) the writers drop, the more people dig in their heals and say hell no, we won't go. LOL It's rather humorous and sad at the same time.

You know, that's one thing I hate about writing for kryptonsite. I gotta pick my words very carefully...

I didn't really change my review in any way that was substantial, but in my original draft I talked about the differences between Lois' and Chloe's scenes with their tormentor...

I decided to err on the side of caution and I didn't include that section. It was just about the way the two women acted differently to the same dilemma....

Chloe was more frantic, Lois was snarky and defiant.... I thought it was a good way to see just how different they are.

Figured it might not be good to bring anything like that up, I knew talking about the affirmation of Chloe's love for Jimmy was going to be bad enough.

*shrug*


haha...Chloisers. :whatever:

It's one of the reasons I like chatting with the people here other than other sites, since most of those crazies don't come here. :p

QFT!

:up:

A side from putting up giant promotion boards that say "Chloe will never be with Clark", not much :p

LOL!

VERY good review Trip! It was a good read.

Thanks!

[CLARKY]

When I first read what the plot was about, I was "oh no, not a generic story again". But in fact, this episode was excellent, really excellent. I felt that the story with the killer was, for once, not the center of the episode, and that the center was Lois&Clark. THAT was pretty clever and pretty good. I didn't care much about Jimmy, but since 2 or 3 episode he seems to be well written or at least in this episode. I have to admit nevertheless, that Chloe make it (the relationship) much more interesting and appealing to me. I think she's great, and I thought it was a clever surprise to make her admit that she was in love with Jimmy and with Clark anymore. Wow! At last ! that was good.
Anyway, the best thing in this episode were all the interactions between Lois & Clark. The beginning was very good. The middle was great. And the end was ...... awesomely excellent. I especially like the "Statistically speaking, this is the safest way to travel".
I still can't believe this show presented a such excellent version of L & C !!! I knew it was pretty good ... but this is excellent.
:up:

[Brainiac 8]

Well said CLARKY.

To me so far, this is the best episode of the season, followed closely by Prey. :up:

[Migu-EL]

Yeah u can't go wrong with those two episodes so far in the season.

[triplet]

Well said CLARKY.

To me so far, this is the best episode of the season, followed closely by Prey. :up:

You liked Prey that much?

:confused:

I liked Prey, but it wasn't the home run that Committed was... maybe a stand up double....

[Brainiac 8]

Yea, I thought the writing and direction was fantastic in "Prey." There was a few hiccups, but they made Davis very sympethetic, and set him up wonderfully as the tragic good man turned murderous monster.

Truth be told though four out of five of the episodes have been almost as good as one another, but "Committed" took the other ones by a small margin due to my love of the Lois & Clark romance.

[triplet]

Yea, I thought the writing and direction was fantastic in "Prey." There was a few hiccups, but they made Davis very sympethetic, and set him up wonderfully as the tragic good man turned murderous monster.

Truth be told though four out of five of the episodes have been almost as good as one another, but "Committed" took the other ones by a small margin due to my love of the Lois & Clark romance.

I didn't like the writing much in Prey, and I thought that the direction sorta sucked.

*shrug*

I'll explain more in my review, once it gets posted that is...

:(

I should really stop writing novels as reviews! I looked at a few reviews from last year and they were all nice and short, only like 3 pages.

Committed was 7, I think Prey will be about as long if not longer...

It's why they're taking longer than they used to for me to get them done. Writing some 4k or so words each week is time consuming.

*sigh*

[Brainiac 8]

Heh...it's one of the reasons I don't write them much anymore, I just don't have the time. Most of my reviews ended up being about six pages, and it took me forever. I have too much on my plate to keep up that pace...and if I try to shorten the review, it feels like I have left a bunch of stuff out. It's lose/lose.

Can't wait to read yours though. :up:

I look forward to seeing what your thoughts are, since I thought the episode was rather fantastic.

[Migu-EL]

My review is up:

http://www.kryptonsite.com/committedreview.htm

Just read your review Trip, very nice.:up: But I gotta say, the reason I think Tess and Ollie's scenes seemed boring had more to do with the fact that it was up against Clark and Lois(which was way more interesting) than it had to do with the quality of writing. Just my opinion.:huh:

[triplet]

Just read your review Trip, very nice.:up: But I gotta say, the reason I think Tess and Ollie's scenes seemed boring had more to do with the fact that it was up against Clark and Lois(which was way more interesting) than it had to do with the quality of writing. Just my opinion.:huh:

Well, the writing wasn't so bad as maybe the acting (Justin)...

I'm not as fond of him as I used to be, he's probably reached his depth.

Cute, charming, great body, but probably not the best actor ever.

[KBX]

You liked Prey that much?

:confused:

I liked Prey, but it wasn't the home run that Committed was... maybe a stand up double....

I say Prey was a stand up double, runner moving to 3rd on CF error.

Its funny I thought committed would be the filler episode, the Subterranean or Hero of this season... boy was I wrong.

[mellyM]

I enjoyed Prey more than Committed, I don't know why really, except Clark was being much more proactive and I thought the story was more interesting, and there was too much of the annoying Chimmy in Committed, but i did enjoy the ep:)

[triplet]

I say Prey was a stand up double, runner moving to 3rd on CF error.

Its funny I thought committed would be the filler episode, the Subterranean or Hero of this season... boy was I wrong.

I was very pleasantly surprised by this episode.

It was much better than I had expected it would be, but then again I shouldn't be surprised.

Director Glen Winter can do almost no wrong, and Tom hit it out of the park!

:heart:

[B]

I enjoyed Prey more than Committed, I don't know why really, except Clark was being much more proactive and I thought the story was more interesting, and there was too much of the annoying Chimmy in Committed, but i did enjoy the ep:)

LOL

Glad I'm not the only one who thinks theres too much of "Chimmy"

Really liked this episode myself, probably my favourate so far of the season :up:

[Migu-EL]

Well, the writing wasn't so bad as maybe the acting (Justin)...

I'm not as fond of him as I used to be, he's probably reached his depth.

Cute, charming, great body, but probably not the best actor ever.


He's not the strongest actor but at the same time he's far from horrible. He does a good job as Ollie, but I agree with you that he's probably reached his depth.

[Brainiac 8]

LOL

Glad I'm not the only one who thinks theres too much of "Chimmy"

Really liked this episode myself, probably my favourate so far of the season :up:

That word scares me.

"Why are you seeing the doctor?"

"You know, I met this girl, one thing led to another, and BAM! I'm now infected with Chimmy."

:(

He's not the strongest actor but at the same time he's far from horrible. He does a good job as Ollie, but I agree with you that he's probably reached his depth.

See, I find Justin plays a fantastic Oliver Queen. He isn't the strongest actor on the show, but I always seem to enjoy his performance nonetheless. Now if we could get him to not take his shirt off all the time. :(

[triplet]

He's not the strongest actor but at the same time he's far from horrible. He does a good job as Ollie, but I agree with you that he's probably reached his depth.

I think that's the problem. He's reached his depth and there is nothing else for him to show us...

Too bad.

He's charming and does do well with what he's good at, but he just doesn't have any range.

See, I find Justin plays a fantastic Oliver Queen. He isn't the strongest actor on the show, but I always seem to enjoy his performance nonetheless. Now if we could get him to not take his shirt off all the time. :(

I don't mind the shirtlessness, in and of itself, but maybe if they could maybe not make the stories quite so obviously designed to allow Justin to show off as much skin as possible, it'd be better.

[LadyVader]

I think Hartley has range. I thought it was very touching how he was crouching over Clark after he had shot him. His eyes even teared up. :)

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/ComicDiva/Screencaps/smallvilles08e01hdtvxvid-dot158_000.jpg

Awwwwwww! :oldrazz:

[Brainiac 8]

I think Hartley has range. I thought it was very touching how he was crouching over Clark after he had shot him. His eyes even teared up. :)

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/ComicDiva/Screencaps/smallvilles08e01hdtvxvid-dot158_000.jpg

Awwwwwww! :oldrazz:


Actually I thought that was a fantastic scene for Justin.

[LadyVader]

Me too! I wasn't being sarcastic or anything. :)

[RakuMon]

That word scares me.

"Why are you seeing the doctor?"

"You know, I met this girl, one thing led to another, and BAM! I'm now infected with Chimmy."

:(


Agreed. That's why it's a good thing the other mash-up name didn't stick: "Chlimmy." That sounds even more like an STD!! :wow:

[Brainiac 8]

Agreed. That's why it's a good thing the other mash-up name didn't stick: "Chlimmy." That sounds even more like an STD!! :wow:


haha, exactly. :p

[Migu-EL]

That word scares me.

See, I find Justin plays a fantastic Oliver Queen. He isn't the strongest actor on the show, but I always seem to enjoy his performance nonetheless. Now if we could get him to not take his shirt off all the time. :(

I agree on both points, Justin's plays a fantastic Oliver Queen and that he needs to keep his shirt on.:ninja:

[triplet]

I think Hartley has range. I thought it was very touching how he was crouching over Clark after he had shot him. His eyes even teared up. :)

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/ComicDiva/Screencaps/smallvilles08e01hdtvxvid-dot158_000.jpg

Awwwwwww! :oldrazz:

I actually thought he did a great job in Odyssey, which makes Toxic the more perplexing.

Maybe he's not happy being so objectified....

*shrug*

[LadyVader]

I don't know, we rarely see Welling shirtless. Somebody needs to be objectified. And given that Hartley wasn't even on the last season, he really shouldn't complain. The CW powers that be gave him a second chance, based mainly on the fact that we have no Ronsebaum this season.

In other words... Hartley, if the shirt's gotta come of, it's coming off! And no lip from you young man. Unless there's a make-out scene involved.