Discussion: Legalizing Marijuana

[Sandman138]

lol, I went to see it in IMAX. And during the opening light show, I really wished I was stoned.

I'm pretty sure they were stoned when they made the movie.

[WTFimVENOM]

I'm pretty sure they were stoned when they made the movie.
LOL :woot::up:
I still enjoyed it tho and I was only slightly stoned when I went to see it, I still laughed when Venom stabbed Harry :D

[Sandman138]

"Every friend of freedom... must be as revolted as I am by the prospect of turning the United States into an armed camp, by the vision of jails filled with casual drug users and of an army of enforcers empowered to invade the liberty of citizens on slight evidence." - Milton Friedman

[blind_fury]

For those who think alcohol is acceptable to use but marijuana isn't,

read it and weep, hypocrites:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/05/04/earlyshow/health/main2760429.shtml

[WTFimVENOM]

For those who think alcohol is acceptable to use but marijuana isn't,

read it and weep, hypocrites:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/05/04/earlyshow/health/main2760429.shtml
I've always thought that alcohol caused a hell of a lot more damage than weed, and alcohol doesnt even provide as much of a buzz in my opinion

[terry78]

Oh, I'm always more open to a toker than a drinker to chill with. You watch a movie with somebody that just finished smoking, they won't be disruptive, but they will comment occasionally about it.

[Cyrusbales]

It depends more on the person. The overall effects of drinking a beer everyday compared to smoking a joint is very different, you can notice a massive change in the toker's everyday personality. (I have watched tyhis happen with my brother)

[Fried Gold]

For those who think alcohol is acceptable to use but marijuana isn't,

read it and weep, hypocrites:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/05/04/earlyshow/health/main2760429.shtml The key words in the article are 'heavy drinkers'. Heavy anything would have some sort of detrimental effect on one's health,

[Sandman138]

The key words in the article are 'heavy drinkers'. Heavy anything would have some sort of detrimental effect on one's health,

Kind of like heavy use of marijuana is detrimental, while responsible use is as harmless as most other vices.

[Fried Gold]

Kind of like heavy use of marijuana is detrimental, while responsible use is as harmless as most other vices.There's no such thing as responsible use.

[blind_fury]

The key words in the article are 'heavy drinkers'. Heavy anything would have some sort of detrimental effect on one's health,

Yet it's perfectly legal to drink till you puke.

But if I smoke a medicinal plant once a week I'm treated like a criminal?

Admit it, decriminalizing alcohol but not weed is just plain hypocritical.

[Cyrusbales]

People always compare smoking weed with something else. Why don't people just examine it by itself?

Keep it criminal, it's not a good thing, for you or others around you. YEs alchohol should be restricted in some more ways, but thats ANOTHER issue, it's not really a valid argument to shift blame and attack something else.

[blind_fury]

It depends more on the person. The overall effects of drinking a beer everyday compared to smoking a joint is very different, you can notice a massive change in the toker's everyday personality. (I have watched tyhis happen with my brother)

Those effects are temporary. Once someone stops smoking for a few hours they go back to normal unless they smoke an extreme amount of weed. The government should give adults the freedom to use it and stress moderation/ responsible use like they do with alcohol.

And ask anyone who was abused by an alcoholic parent or spouse if the effects of alcohol don't change the everyday personality. Apparently it's ok to supply something to the public that could result in fatal car accidents, spousal abuse, bar fights, liver transplants, brain shrinkage, date rape etc because it doesn't "make you a lazy" or give you the munchies. :huh:

[Fried Gold]

Yet it's perfectly legal to drink till you puke.

But if I smoke a medicinal plant once a week I'm treated like a criminal?

Admit it, decriminalizing alcohol but not weed is just plain hypocritical.It's also hypocritical to be calling it a 'medicinal' plant, as though the medicinal benefits are at the forefront of your mind whilst you're monging away staring at a dog for hours.

Also, you are 'treated as a criminal' because it's a criminal act, spanner.

[Cyrusbales]

well smoking a joint everyday does cause severe damage, drinking a beer everyday doesn't cause the same level of damage, if you want to draw a comparison with something else.

The point is, weed DOES cause damage, that is why it's illegal.

Yes drink causes damage, HOWEVER, that has absolutely nothing to do with weed's clasification.....

[Liquid Snake]

Here is pakistan weed is really expensive, I heard it goes for around $50 for a dime bag. I tried hasish and chares/ganja though and I really liked it; Charas is not as good but what we call garda is comparable to weed without the paranoid.

[Sandman138]

well smoking a joint everyday does cause severe damage, drinking a beer everyday doesn't cause the same level of damage, if you want to draw a comparison with something else.

Actually, all evidence shows that using alcohol the same way that heavy stoners use weed would be much more detrimental to your health.

The point is, weed DOES cause damage, that is why it's illegal.

Once again: http://www.mpp.org/site/c.glKZLeMQIsG/b.1146183/k.AE54/FAQ.htm

Granted, the site has a clear bias, but so do the anti-marijuana sites. The objectivity of its sources, however, is quite clear.

Yes drink causes damage, HOWEVER, that has absolutely nothing to do with weed's clasification.....

Let's see: they are both psychoactive substances, they are both depressants, and most of the dangers attributed to one can be attributed to the other. I can see why people compare the two.

[blind_fury]

People always compare smoking weed with something else. Why don't people just examine it by itself?

Keep it criminal, it's not a good thing, for you or others around you. YEs alchohol should be restricted in some more ways, but thats ANOTHER issue, it's not really a valid argument to shift blame and attack something else.
You're saying I shouldn't compare a legal drug to an illegal drug. Why not?

It's a perfectly valid and obvious comparison.

Alcohol is a drug. We tried to make it illegal and it was disaster. It made criminal organizations more powerful, people still continued to drink, and law enforcement wasted valuable time trying to shut down bootleggers.

If you can't handle the the truth that alcohol use is more dangerous and destructive yet it's perfectly legal but people are locked up for buying and selling a substance far less harmful that go ahead and ignore the truth.You won't be the first or last person to do so.

The sale and use of marijuana and psychedelic mushrooms is perfectly legal in Amsterdam. What are the results?

Wide spread drug abuse?

Mass hysteria?

Anarchy?

Nope. Try a far lower percentage of marijuana/drug use than the United States and a higher GDP than Sweden, Switzerland, or Belgium where marijuana use is strictly prohibited. The crime rate and drug use went down after soft drugs were legalized. :wow: But I guess your going to say I can't compare the Netherlands to other countries because "it's another issue". :whatever:

There's no good reason why a wonderful, god-made plant that people can enjoy without hurting others and has a growing list of medicinal properties should be outlawed. None.

I'm an adult. I don't need the government telling me what I can and cannot ingest. It's no one's body/mind/choice but my own. Keep your beer and cigarettes. My drug of choice is marijuana. No hangovers, no pack-a-day addiction, no drunken behavior I regret the following day. Just smoking with my friends, watching movies, and talking about life in general. There's no reason why we should be treated like criminals.

[Sandman138]

There's no such thing as responsible use.

Can you drink responsibly?

[Sandman138]

YEs alchohol should be restricted in some more ways, but thats ANOTHER issue, it's not really a valid argument to shift blame and attack something else.

We tried that. It was called prohibition, and all it did was make a bunch of gangsters rich, kind of like how the only people who seem to make a profit off the war on drugs are the cartels. Prohibition does not solve drug problems. It just makes it worse for everyone.

[Sandman138]

Again: http://leap.cc/

You'll find that not all law enforcement thinks that our current solution is much of a solution.

[Fried Gold]

Can you drink responsibly?Of course you can.

I said there's no such thing as responsible use of marijuana because it's illegal, and, obviously, persuing an illegal activity is irresponsible by default.

[Sandman138]

Of course you can.

I said there's no such thing as responsible use of marijuana because it's illegal, and, obviously, persuing an illegal activity is irresponsible by default.

Have you heard of a phenomenon called circular reasoning?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question

[blind_fury]

well smoking a joint everyday does cause severe damage, drinking a beer everyday doesn't cause the same level of damage, if you want to draw a comparison with something else.

The point is, weed DOES cause damage, that is why it's illegal.
Read a history book. Marijuana became illegal because of self-righteous church groups not because the medical community thought it was dangerous to the general public.

From wikipedia:

"Unlike tobacco, cannabis has not been shown to cause emphysema, lung cancer, or chronic obstructive pulmonary disease."

How many people die from alcohol related injuries each year in the US?

84,000 :wow:


How many people die from marijuana related injuries each year?

0 :o

Yes drink causes damage, HOWEVER, that has absolutely nothing to do with weed's clasification.....

Top three killers of Americans:

1) Tobacco (435,000 deaths; 18.1% of total US deaths)
2) Poor diet and physical inactivity (400,000 deaths; 16.6%)
3) Alcohol consumption (85,000 deaths; 3.5%)

(Note: 16,653 deaths from alcohol-related vehicle crashes are included in both Alcohol consumption above and Motor vehicle crashes below.)

http://www.stopaddiction.com/narconon_alcohol_deaths.html#

http://alcoholism.about.com/library/narmort01.htm

Keep in mind these numbers are just for the United States alone. :wow:

Total hypocrisy. Legalize weed already. Stop locking people up for something that is far less dangerous than cigarettes or alcohol. Amsterdam benefited from higher tax revenue, lower crime and lower drug use when they decriminalized weed.

[Halcohol]

Of course you can.

I said there's no such thing as responsible use of marijuana because it's illegal, and, obviously, persuing an illegal activity is irresponsible by default.
Sodomy is illegal in a lot of places. That doesn't make it irresponsible. :confused:

[Fried Gold]

Read a history book. Marijuana became illegal because of self-righteous church groups not because the medical community thought it was dangerous to the general public.

From wikipedia:

"Unlike tobacco, cannabis has not been shown to cause emphysema, lung cancer, or chronic obstructive pulmonary disease."

How many people die from alcohol related injuries each year in the US?

84,000 :wow:


How many people die from marijuana related injuries each year?

0 :o



Top three killers of Americans:

1) Tobacco (435,000 deaths; 18.1% of total US deaths)
2) Poor diet and physical inactivity (400,000 deaths; 16.6%)
3) Alcohol consumption (85,000 deaths; 3.5%)

(Note: 16,653 deaths from alcohol-related vehicle crashes are included in both Alcohol consumption above and Motor vehicle crashes below.)

http://www.stopaddiction.com/narconon_alcohol_deaths.html#

http://alcoholism.about.com/library/narmort01.htm

Keep in mind these numbers are just for the United States alone. :wow:

Total hypocrisy. Legalize weed already. Stop locking people up for something that is far less dangerous than cigarettes or alcohol. Amsterdam benefited from higher tax revenue, lower crime and lower drug use when they decriminalized weed.http://www.hfstival.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10148/normal_Internet-SeriousBusiness.jpg

[Fried Gold]

Sodomy is illegal in a lot of places. That doesn't make it irresponsible. :confused:Who are you trying to convince, me or you? Dude, it's okay if you're into bumming. I won't think any less of you.

[Sandman138]

Wow... way to sink to new levels.:whatever:

[Halcohol]

Who are you trying to convince, me or you? Dude, it's okay if you're into bumming. I won't think any less of you.
:whatever:

[Fried Gold]

Wow... way to sink to new levels.:whatever:As low as deflecting the conversation onto the merits or (lack thereof) of the legalisation of alcohol?

If you read back through the thread, I've had my say, and now I'm pretty much here to wind you up.

[Halcohol]

The sale and use of marijuana and psychedelic mushrooms is perfectly legal in Amsterdam.


:eek:

Of all the reasons to go to Amsterdam... shopping in the red light district on shrooms sounds like the best one so far :)

[Sandman138]

As low as deflecting the conversation onto the merits or (lack thereof) of the legalisation of alcohol?

Uhh... yeah... much lower than that... and far more illogical.

If you read back through the thread, I've had my say, and now I'm pretty much here to wind you up.

And here I thought you were the entertainment.

[Fried Gold]

And here I thought you were the entertainment.How so? Because I'm *gasp* saying no to drugs? I fail to see the hilarity of it.

Also, I wish you'd all kindly back away from the assumption that anyone with a staunch anti-drug stance has gotten all of their relevant information from tabloids and GMTV.

[Sandman138]

How so? Because I'm *gasp* saying no to drugs? I fail to see the hilarity of it.

Also, I wish you'd all kindly back away from the assumption that anyone with a staunch anti-drug stance has gotten all of their relevant information from tabloids and GMTV.

How about I'll start taking you seriously when you start acting your age. I don't think you got all your information from a tabloid. In fact, given the way you've presented your opinion, I don't think you have any information, aside of anecdotes, at all. There are decent arguments for the anti-drug position. You haven't presented a single one.

[blind_fury]

It's also hypocritical to be calling it a 'medicinal' plant, as though the medicinal benefits are at the forefront of your mind whilst you're monging away staring at a dog for hours.

How is that hypocritical? I want weed to be legal because I enjoy it but I also want it to be legal because it may come in handy one day when I need it for medical benefits. That's not hypocrisy, it's called thinking ahead.

and you're against a substance that can make you "stare at your dog", watch cartoons and eat pastries but support the legal use of a drug that can make you beat your wife or cause a fatal accident(alcohol). :dry:

Also, you are 'treated as a criminal' because it's a criminal act, spanner.
And it's considered a criminal act because of out-dated drug laws. That doesn't mean it's right or even logical.

The real criminal act is an overbearing government taking away an adult's freedoms based on hypocritical, draconian drug policies.

[blind_fury]

:eek:

Of all the reasons to go to Amsterdam... shopping in the red light district on shrooms sounds like the best one so far :)

been there, done that. :oldrazz:

going back to do it again. :woot:

[Crowforge]

Against it, the plants should be eradicated, not big on big prison sentences for users aside for DUI's then there should be a test. Never used the stuff never will.

[Sandman138]

Against it, the plants should be eradicated, not big on big prison sentences for users aside for DUI's then there should be a test. Never used the stuff never will.

I can understand being against using cannabis as a substance. However, to eradicate the plant would be to get rid of one of the most versatile natural resources we know of.

[blind_fury]

Who cares if it has medical benefits?

It makes you watch cartoons and eat cookie dough ice cream. It must be eradicated. :o

[Fried Gold]

How about I'll start taking you seriously when you start acting your age. I don't think you got all your information from a tabloid. In fact, given the way you've presented your opinion, I don't think you have any information, aside of anecdotes, at all. There are decent arguments for the anti-drug position. You haven't presented a single one.How about I'm not exactly a fan of having my tax making life slightly easier for some ******** who fancies changing the world from the comfort of his mother's basement.

[Fried Gold]

Against it, the plants should be eradicated, not big on big prison sentences for users aside for DUI's then there should be a test. Never used the stuff never will.This actually makes my arguments seem reasonable...

[Fried Gold]

but support the legal use of a drug that can make you beat your wife or cause a fatal accident(alcohol). :dry: No I don't. I made it clear several times within this thread, that my life would not change at all if they were to ban alcohol.

[Halcohol]

How about I'm not exactly a fan of having my tax making life slightly easier for some ******** who fancies changing the world from the comfort of his mother's basement.
See and that's the big problem with legalizing it... it'd be so easy for a large portion of society to degenerate into listless, unmotivated, lazy slobs getting high and watching TV for their entire life.

At least sobriety allows you to contribute to society. I only smoke weed on the weekends at a party or on vacation or whatever... THAT'S responsible.

[Sandman138]

How about I'm not exactly a fan of having my tax making life slightly easier for some ******** who fancies changing the world from the comfort of his mother's basement.

But your comfortable with increasing taxes to pay for a war on drugs that has not had any legitimate success and gets more expensive as the years go by? If anything, legalizing marijuana would make taxes go down.

[Halcohol]

But your comfortable with increasing taxes to pay for a war on drugs that has not had any legitimate success and gets more expensive as the years go by? If anything, legalizing marijuana would make taxes go down.
http://www.jasonbentley.org/blog/img/rory1.jpg

While the taxes go down, the people go higher, man.

[Fried Gold]

But your comfortable with increasing taxes to pay for a war on drugs that has not had any legitimate success and gets more expensive as the years go by? If anything, legalizing marijuana would make taxes go down.But that's paying for something whereas the alternative is paying for nothing.

I would rather pay that little bit more on something that is naturally pro-active.

[blind_fury]

See and that's the big problem with legalizing it... it'd be so easy for a large portion of society to degenerate into listless, unmotivated, lazy slobs getting high and watching TV for their entire life.

You do realize drug usage went down in Amsterdam once they legalized soft drugs. They also have a lower percentage of marijuana use despite the fact that high grade weed is widely available. There are weed, coffee shops all over the city.

Not to mention they have a higher GDP than Switzerland, Belgium, and Sweden. How can they achieve this with a widely available drug that makes "a large portion of society to degenerate into listless, unmotivated, lazy slobs getting high and watching TV for their entire life."

If you legalized weed at Harvard University do you think the top of the class is going to drop out of school and watch Scooby Doo reruns for the rest of their lives? Your idea of weed turning ambitious professionals into stoners who sit at home watching cartoons for the rest of their life is as realistic as saying alcohol turns most people into drunken hobos.

[blind_fury]

But that's paying for something whereas the alternative is paying for nothing.

I would rather pay that little bit more on something that is naturally pro-active.

Pro-active?

You lock up half a million people a year for using something that increases cartoon viewing and muchie consumption.

Do you realize how much money those court dates and prosecutor fees cost the taxpayer?

or how much keeping one person in prison for a single day cost the tax payer?

The drug war is anything but pro-active. Instead of using taxed marijuana revenue for building roads and hospitals the billions in profit from weed sales goes to finance criminals which increases the need for more law enforcement thus sucking up more tax payer money. "Pro-active" my ass.

[Sandman138]

But that's paying for something whereas the alternative is paying for nothing.

Almost right. The alternative is not paying for nothing. Your tax dollars wouldn't go to the people growing or processing marijuana any more than they go to the tobacco companies.

I would rather pay that little bit more on something that is naturally pro-active.

Looking at the number of drug traffickers in jail compared to the number of users, I would hardly call what we have pro-active.

[Sandman138]

http://www.jasonbentley.org/blog/img/rory1.jpg

While the taxes go down, the people go higher, man.

Please don't associate me with hippies. I'd rather be associated with Sagan.

[blind_fury]

Bob Marley >>> most people alive

[Cyrusbales]

Why do people assume that by DAMAGE, it always means death? There are things far worse than death, weed may not kill a great deal, but it causes other damage

[PLAS]

yup, last night I got home from a long day of work and as I got home, my fiancee had already made dinner and was preparing a nice, fat joint, which we smoked after the meal and enjoyed with a cup of cold tea, which helped us relax while we were talking about our days before going to sleep

the only thing I really don't like about weed is when you are running out and have to go buy some more :D

[Sandman138]

Why do people assume that by DAMAGE, it always means death? There are things far worse than death, weed may not kill a great deal, but it causes other damage

I believe I was talking about such things as brain damage and long term health risks. If you want to start talking about personal damage outside of those things, you start getting into the realm of personal responsibility. I don't believe in a paternalistic government.

[blind_fury]

No I don't. I made it clear several times within this thread, that my life would not change at all if they were to ban alcohol.

wow. There should be a country for people like you who want to ban everything and a country for everybody else.

My guess is after the first week everybody from your "ban-happy" country will be building make-shift rafts to get to our free country.

[Fried Gold]

wow. There should be a country for people like you who want to ban everything and a country for everybody else.

My guess is after the first week everybody from your "ban-happy" country will be building make-shift rafts to get to our free country.http://www.intternetti.net/~jiri/motivation/awesomekid.jpg

[blind_fury]

Why do people assume that by DAMAGE, it always means death? There are things far worse than death, weed may not kill a great deal, but it causes other damage

something that kills you caused damage. :whatever: death is the ultimate form of damage.

If something kills millions of people around the world and another substance doesn't kill anyone it's safe to say the first substance is more damaging.

You want to ignore the fact the alcohol and cigarettes killed millions of people while arguing they're less harmful? :huh:

[Cyrusbales]

I believe I was talking about such things as brain damage and long term health risks. If you want to start talking about personal damage outside of those things, you start getting into the realm of personal responsibility. I don't believe in a paternalistic government.

Well I have seen what would be described as brain damage happen as a result from smoking weed. Linguistic skills decrease, general cognition and understanding disapates to a degree etc.

[blind_fury]

http://www.intternetti.net/~jiri/motivation/awesomekid.jpg

You're fine with alcohol being banned forever.

I didn't know puritans still existed. Are you Amish? :huh:

[Fried Gold]

You're fine with alcohol being banned forever.

I didn't know puritans still existed. Are you Amish? :huh:Dude, you're the one banging on about how bad alcohol is. I'm easy either way.

[ghost_x]

I am a regular weed smoker, and absoloutly love it. I am however beginning to notice effects, such as not being able to quickly finish sentences, slurring words etc. There are no doubt effects to marijuana, and should be consumed aware of the effects.

[blind_fury]

Well I have seen what would be described as brain damage happen as a result from smoking weed. Linguistic skills decrease, general cognition and understanding disapates to a degree etc.

Alcohol shrinks the brain.

I'll repeat that, alcohol shrinks the brain.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/05/04/earlyshow/health/main2760429.shtml

What is your solution? Take away people choice to drink it?

[Sandman138]

Well I have seen what would be described as brain damage happen as a result from smoking weed. Linguistic skills decrease, general cognition and understanding disapates to a degree etc.

As can result from heavy abuse of any psychoactive substance.

[Halcohol]

I am a regular weed smoker, and absoloutly love it. I am however beginning to notice effects, such as not being able to quickly finish sentences, slurring words etc. There are no doubt effects to marijuana, and should be consumed aware of the effects.
Oh, totally. I'm basically retarded compared to how I was back in grade 9. Maybe it's 'cause the workload is a lot harder, but the loss of memory is definitely there.

I never used to be so absent-minded or bad with names, but now...



I'm sorry, what was I saying? :confused:

[Fried Gold]

Alcohol shrinks the brain.

I'll repeat that, alcohol shrinks the brain.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/05/04/earlyshow/health/main2760429.shtml

What is your solution? Take away people choice to drink it?HEAVY drinkers. I repeat that, HEAVY drinkers.

I bet you're the kinda guy that takes 'boys are better than girls' arguments seriously.

[ghost_x]

It's strange how now that I'm older the weed effects are becoming more apparant but 4-5 years ago when I started, the only real effects wasa the munchies

[Cyrusbales]

I'm not comparing it to alchohol, how is that difficult to understand? I'm treating the issues as seprate things. I do drink quite a lot, but if if were to banned, I'd deal with it, no biggie.

The fact that cannabis damages people's minds and basic functioning, is what I'm focusing on.

[Halcohol]

I'm not comparing it to alchohol, how is that difficult to understand? I'm treating the issues as seprate things. I do drink quite a lot, but if if were to banned, I'd deal with it, no biggie.

The fact that cannabis damages people's minds and basic functioning, is what I'm focusing on.
It's much easier to abuse weed than it is to abuse alcohol. Smoking tons of weed will sink you into the couch and decrease your motivation to the point that all you want to do is smoke more weed and eat.

At least with alcohol you can become completely incapacitated and wake up feeling like a big bag of smashed *******s. That makes you not want to drink.

[Sandman138]

The fact that cannabis damages people's minds and basic functioning, is what I'm focusing on.

And we're pointing out, by use of precedent, that that is not sufficient grounds to criminalize it.

[ghost_x]

I find weed can relax you to the point where you become a much friendlier, easy going person, where as alcohol makes you an unsociable and abusive ****er. You'll make more friends with weed but will get arrested with alcohol, choices, choices

[blind_fury]

Dude, you're the one banging on about how bad alcohol is. I'm easy either way.
You're easy either way?

You'd allow a ban on alcohol and support keeping weed illegal forever.

yeah, you're a real easy going dude. :whatever:

[blind_fury]

HEAVY drinkers. I repeat that, HEAVY drinkers.

I bet you're the kinda guy that takes 'boys are better than girls' arguments seriously.

Moderate weed smokers don't suffer permanent brain damage.

You're the kind of guy who ignores scientific evidence over and over again to defend an illogical stance.

[Fried Gold]

You're easy either way?

You'd allow a ban on alcohol and support keeping weed illegal forever.

yeah, you're a real easy going dude. :whatever:http://www.4sbccfaculty.org/lecture/2000s/images/shapiro_images/32-downs-syndrome_72.jpg

If you're going to talk about alcohol, talk about alcohol, and if you're gonna talk about marijuana, talk about marijuana. Stop deflecting.

[blind_fury]

It's much easier to abuse weed than it is to abuse alcohol. Smoking tons of weed will sink you into the couch and decrease your motivation to the point that all you want to do is smoke more weed and eat.

At least with alcohol you can become completely incapacitated and wake up feeling like a big bag of smashed *******s. That makes you not want to drink.

Alcohol is far more addictive than marijuana.

Few weed smokers, if any, ever required a week in rehab.

[Halcohol]

Alcohol is far more addictive than marijuana.

Few weed smokers, if any, ever required a week in rehab.
Forget it.

[Fried Gold]

Forget it.LOLZ

[blind_fury]

http://www.4sbccfaculty.org/lecture/2000s/images/shapiro_images/32-downs-syndrome_72.jpg

If you're going to talk about alcohol, talk about alcohol, and if you're gonna talk about marijuana, talk about marijuana. Stop deflecting.

lolz. :woot:

"you can't compare decriminalizing alcohol to decriminalizing other drugs! That's cheating, err I mean, deflecting!"

[blind_fury]

Forget it.

funny. :o

My point still stands. weed doesn't require a week of rehab like an addiction to alcohol.

[Fried Gold]

"you can't compare decriminalizing alcohol to decriminalizing other drugs!You're right. Possibly because alcohol is already decriminalised.

[blind_fury]

You're right. Possibly because alcohol is already decriminalised.

and weed could/should also be decriminalized, hence the comparison. :wow:

[ghost_x]

Even if weed was decriminalised it would never be consumed as much as alcohol, simply because far more people are willing to drink liquid than smoke

[blind_fury]

Weed usage in Amsterdam supports your theory.

[Sandman138]

funny. :o

My point still stands. weed doesn't require a week of rehab like an addiction to alcohol.

More like months.

[ghost_x]

Weed usage in Amsterdam supports your theory.

Spoken like a man who's never been to Dam, if you had you would know that the pubs/bars/liquor stores there are far busier than the 'Cafe'

[Sandman138]

Spoken like a man who's never been to Dam, if you had you would know that the pubs/bars/liquor stores there are far busier than the 'Cafe'

That's what he was saying.

[ghost_x]

Sounded like sarcasm to me, but if he was agreeing, than I apologize. Sarcasm is so freely exploited on the boards, it's hard to distinguish who's using it or not.

I just miss Amsterdam :csad:

[DorkyFresh]

yeah foreal...you high or somethin'?

[Cyrusbales]

most people who smoke weed smoke tobacco aswell, so they can in theory be incouded in the tobacco related deaths, if you want to get picky....

[Sandman138]

most people who smoke weed smoke tobacco aswell, so they can in theory be incouded in the tobacco related deaths, if you want to get picky....

That would be a logical fallacy.

[WTFimVENOM]

http://www.intternetti.net/~jiri/motivation/awesomekid.jpg
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f180/neuspeed674/therules.jpg
Fried Gold's enforcement policy of marijaunna laws :woot: :oldrazz:

Bob Marley >>> most people alive
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dam straight :up:

[Joe Kerr]

... i'm so stoned.

[Cyrusbales]

That would be a logical fallacy.


Not at all, everyone I know who smokes weed, smokes Cannabis mixed with tobacco, it helps it burn better.

[SpideyInATree]

It's also hypocritical to be calling it a 'medicinal' plant, as though the medicinal benefits are at the forefront of your mind whilst you're monging away staring at a dog for hours.

Also, you are 'treated as a criminal' because it's a criminal act, spanner.

Dude, you've obviously never smoked weed before. So, when you go and start listing what people do when they get stoned for next time maybe you should try smoking some weed yourself and find out what happens.

When I smoke weed I don't really want to just sit and stare at anything let alone a smelly dog. It depends on your personality, who you're hanging out with, and your mindset. Weed is an emotional drug and it intensifies your emotions and feelings. Heavy usage will burn out your emotions...hence the reason why stoners are eventually called "Burnouts".

And it is a medicinal drug. People aren't bringing it up in this discussion and saying that is ALL it's for. I obviously do not use it for medical purposes and, honestly, who cares? The point that's being made is that marijuana has PROVEN MEDICAL BENEFITS to elderly people and people suffering from cancer. What medical benefits does alcohol have? Other than contributing to drunk driving deaths, alcoholism, and a stem for a lot of other personal problems in the world today.

So, if you want to get on your little soapbox and start going on about how weed is bad, go ahead. But all you are is a close minded person who isn't willing to see what's around you. You just want to look at things straight ahead and not think, "Hmm, people are DIFFERENT than I am".

We can sit here and have this conversation until we're 80 years old and marijuana will not be legalized. And it's all about the almighty dollar. The alcohol companies would lose. The tobacco companies would lose. And, of course, the United States government would lose because with marijuana not being illegal...what kind of war on drugs can they wage now? They might actually have to go after the REAL DRUG DEALERS!!! :wow: And not to mention all the crooked cops, DEA, and FBI agents who would be losing out on a lot of business. A lot of people would lose too much money with legalization. Especially if you could grow your own pot...Pft, forget about it, haha. But THAT would never happen in a million years.

So, what's going to happen is that life will go on just how it's going. While myself and my next of kin will go on puffing on the magic dragon underground...your close minded people will be holding up their electronic protesting signs about how "Marijuana is bad" but meanwhile there's hundreds of worse things going on in the world than a teenage kid puffing on a freakin' joint.

[Cyrusbales]

Sugar is more addictive than both alchohol and canabis. In fact, the levels of sugars in food, even fruit, has increased dramatically over the last 50 years

[Sandman138]

To say nothing of caffeine and nicotine.

[ghost_x]

Not at all, everyone I know who smokes weed, smokes Cannabis mixed with tobacco, it helps it burn better.

Mixing tobacco is a far better technique, the weed isn't so harsh on your throat and it doesn't make you cough.

[Cyrusbales]

my brothers general health has deteroriated steadily since he became addicted to weed.....

[DorkyFresh]

Mixing tobacco is a far better technique, the weed isn't so harsh on your throat and it doesn't make you cough.
at the expense of your lungs though. weed doesn't have as many toxins as tobacco does and if you use a bong to smoke weed most of the toxins are filtered out.

my brothers general health has deteroriated steadily since he became addicted to weed.....
sorry to hear about that. i've had quite the opposite effect...i'm in better shape than i was before i started smoking.

[Morg]

6/25/2007 3:50:00 PM
Oil Tank Explosion Kills 2 Colo. Teens

A crude oil storage tank exploded as two teens were jumping on it, hurling the youths 150 yards to their deaths, deputies said Monday.

The tank exploded Saturday night during a party in Routt National Forest, about 135 miles west of Denver, Rio Blanco County Undersheriff Michael Joos said.

Vapor from the 160 barrels of crude oil in the tank may have been forced out through a relief valve by the pressure of the teens jumping on the top, Joos said.

He said deputies were trying to determine whether a campfire or a cigarette lighter ignited the vapor. Some of the 18 people at the party had lit a campfire, Joos said, but he was not sure how close it was to the tank.

A dog also was killed but no other injuries were reported, Joos said.

The Colorado Bureau of Investigation was investigating.

The victims were identified as Samuel Hedemark, 17, of Phippsburg, and Christopher King Fuller, 19, of Yampa.

Coroner Randall Cochran said marijuana was found in both teens' bodies and each had a blood-alcohol level higher than the 0.08 percent legal limit for driving.

Pity about the dog

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pics of the blast site

[chaseter]

Smoking doobies and oil tanks don't mix children.

[terry78]

I would blame the liquor moreso than the ganja. Wouldn't they just be standing in front of the tanker pondering how much was in it if they were just high as opposed to drunk?

[chaseter]

I would blame the liquor moreso than the ganja. Wouldn't they just be standing in front of the tanker pondering how much was in it if they were just high as opposed to drunk?
The tanker turned into Cheech and he wanted a puff puff.

[Docker2.0]

The dog was killed!??! NOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That dog did nothing to nobody!! :cmad:

[AhabTheArab]

they could seriously make this into an anti drug commercial, its that crazy.

[Majik1387]

I feel bad for the dog.:(

Screw the idiotic teens

[chaseter]

This is what your brain looks like on BOOOM!

[Johnny Blaze]

Shame about the dog, but at least they're out of the genepool. :o

[MaskedManJRK]

"Darwin ensures" indeed. :o

[GoldenAgeHero]

lmao:(

[C. Lee]

This is a lesson on why not to do drugs...........IT HURTS DOGS!!!!!

[Deep Thinkin'!]

Oh snap. :csad:

[SolidSnakeMGS]

No sympathy for the poor crude oil storage tank :csad: It never harmed anyone.

[Mike_D202]

"Just tell them that you blew up the oil tanks...because you were high."

*sponsered by the drug association of america (i think thats the name)*

[unstoppable]

heh dnag teens

[blind_fury]

Stop blaming the weed.

Stoned people don't do stuff like this.

If they didn't drink alcohol the dog would still be alive albeit annoyed by the long stares and giggles from the teen stoners.

[Mike_D202]

Are you high right now blind_fury? ;)

[blind_fury]

Are you high right now blind_fury?

Are you drunk???

[tzarinna]

I'm about to be.

[Mike_D202]

Mary Jane messes with the brain, its no wonder why its illegal. I certianly wouldnt want a stoned paramedic attending to me in an emergency or be a passenger while the driver is on a burn-ride.

Yes I'm sure them being drunk did most of the damage but I'm sure the drugs didnt help out much either.

[vindrow]

And survival of the fittest is proven once again.

[Addendum]

This is what your brain looks like on BOOOM!

And thus the name of the newest drug was born :woot:

[tzarinna]

Psst, can I score some of that. :huh:

[Mr Sparkle]

Darwin Ensures?
what's that like a health drink?

[Addendum]

Got a little Darwin in ya?

[blind_fury]

Darwin Ensures?
what's that like a health drink?

Sounds like a dating service with really high membership standards.

[blind_fury]

Mary Jane messes with the brain, its no wonder why its illegal. I certianly wouldnt want a stoned paramedic attending to me in an emergency or be a passenger while the driver is on a burn-ride.

Yes I'm sure them being drunk did most of the damage but I'm sure the drugs didnt help out much either.

Deaths caused by alcohol per year: 85,000

Deaths caused by marijuana: zero

Yeah no wonder marijuana is illegal. To prevent the sudden depletion of cookie dough ice cream. :csad:

[Kritish]

Mary Jane messes with the brain, its no wonder why its illegal. I certianly wouldnt want a stoned paramedic attending to me in an emergency or be a passenger while the driver is on a burn-ride.

Yes I'm sure them being drunk did most of the damage but I'm sure the drugs didnt help out much either.

It might help your case if you worked on your grammar and spelling before you told people how weed makes you act stupid. Then again it might help if you brushed up on your facts, people wouldn't be allowed to be high while they operate a vehicle, or do their job. Do you really think paramedics are allowed to be stoned while they're on call? Alcohol has been proven to be bad for your health, while marijuana hasn't. Combined with the fact that marijuana isn't addictive, while alcohol is. This isn't some pothead telling you this either, I only tried weed once in my life. But the facts are out.

[Leto Atrides]

Deaths caused by alcohol per year: 85,000

Deaths caused by marijuana: zero

Yeah no wonder marijuana is illegal. To prevent the sudden depletion of cookie dough ice cream. :csad:

People do tons of stupid **** while they're high all the time. Alchohol is certainly more dangerous, but pot can definitely ease someone into dangerous hijinks.

[MaskedManJRK]

People do tons of stupid **** while they're high all the time. Alchohol is certainly more dangerous, but pot can definitely ease someone into dangerous hijinks.

Uh...no.

Drunk people cause fights and piss on public landmarks.

Stoned people sit on their asses and watch speak of philosophy concerning cartoons.

[ArmyDragon92A]

Mary Jane messes with the brain, its no wonder why its illegal. I certianly wouldnt want a stoned paramedic attending to me in an emergency or be a passenger while the driver is on a burn-ride.

Yes I'm sure them being drunk did most of the damage but I'm sure the drugs didnt help out much either. :whatever:

I hate when people who know nothing about weed speak about it like this.

[ArmyDragon92A]

People do tons of stupid **** while they're high all the time. Alchohol is certainly more dangerous, but pot can definitely ease someone into dangerous hijinks. You haven't a clue what you're talking about.

[Leto Atrides]

You haven't a clue what you're talking about.

What the hell are you talking about? I said its not even as bad as alcohol, I just said people do stupid things when they're high. Pot isn't just about getting blazed and being spiritual or something, I can think of plenty of times of people I know wandering around unawares and just generally acting like a lost confused child while high.

I smoke on occasion and I drink, which I am acknowledging is actually the one that gets people into fights and is bad, I have no problem with being intoxicated or anything.

I'm not saying there's an epidemic of reefer addicts wandering the streets starting riots, it's that the only possible thing you do different while high is wax philosophic and laugh at everything is also false.

Edit: BTW if this is the problem, I'm talking about people who are really stoned, I'm not saying just smoking a bowl will make you a complete idiot.

[blind_fury]

What the hell are you talking about? I said its not even as bad as alcohol, I just said people do stupid things when they're high. Pot isn't just about getting blazed and being spiritual or something, I can think of plenty of times of people I know wandering around unawares and just generally acting like a lost confused child while high.

I smoke on occasion and I drink, which I am acknowledging is actually the one that gets people into fights and is bad, I have no problem with being intoxicated or anything.

I'm not saying there's an epidemic of reefer addicts wandering the streets starting riots, it's that the only possible thing you do different while high is wax philosophic and laugh at everything is also false.

In downtown Amsterdam there are weed "coffeeshops" on every other corner where you can buy high grade and smoke it in public if you so choose(or eat shrooms :yay:). It's a wonderful city without any major problems from zoned out stoners. 99% of the citizens and tourists are alert, bright-eyed, energetic, and sharp as a knife despite the fact that weed is widely available and basically legal. Go figure.

[Leto Atrides]

In downtown Amsterdam there are weed "coffeeshops" on every other corner where you can buy high grade and smoke it in public if you so choose(or eat shrooms :yay:). It's a wonderful city without any major problems from zoned out stoners. 99% of the citizens and tourists are alert, bright-eyed, energetic, and sharp as a knife despite the fact that weed is widely available and basically legal. Go figure.

Really? I hadn't heard that before. Pot's legal there? Next you're going to tell me Paris has a big iron tower in it, or that Venice has canals.

I DON'T GIVE A **** IF PEOPLE SMOKE I'M NOT SAYING IT'S BAD. I know most of the time people can function fine while high. I even said I smoke sometimes, and that I think it should be legal, so it's not like I'm on a crusade. I was only trying to bring up the point that it's still an intoxicant and not completely without effects when you smoke a lot. I even amended that last post to clarify this.

Jesus Christ, I wish I hadn't said anything.

[ArmyDragon92A]

What the hell are you talking about? I said its not even as bad as alcohol, I just said people do stupid things when they're high. Pot isn't just about getting blazed and being spiritual or something, I can think of plenty of times of people I know wandering around unawares and just generally acting like a lost confused child while high.

I smoke on occasion and I drink, which I am acknowledging is actually the one that gets people into fights and is bad, I have no problem with being intoxicated or anything.

I'm not saying there's an epidemic of reefer addicts wandering the streets starting riots, it's that the only possible thing you do different while high is wax philosophic and laugh at everything is also false.

Edit: BTW if this is the problem, I'm talking about people who are really stoned, I'm not saying just smoking a bowl will make you a complete idiot. I've yet to encounter anyone in all my years of being a smoker who got blitzed and did something "Dangerous", other than over eating.

[Carcharodon]

So you guys are saying that marijuana doesn't affect judgement?

:whatever:

People can do stupid **** while on wacky-tobaccy. Go ahead and tell me I don't know what I'm talking about, I don't care.

Besides, drinking and smoking weed is never a good combination, regardless of which is worse.

[ArmyDragon92A]

So you guys are saying that marijuana doesn't affect judgement?

:whatever:

People can do stupid **** while on wacky-tobaccy. Go ahead and tell me I don't know what I'm talking about, I don't care.

Besides, drinking and smoking weed is never a good combination, regardless of which is worse. It's not a good combo if your tolerance is low.

[blind_fury]

So you guys are saying that marijuana doesn't affect judgement?

:whatever:

People can do stupid **** while on wacky-tobaccy. Go ahead and tell me I don't know what I'm talking about, I don't care.

Besides, drinking and smoking weed is never a good combination, regardless of which is worse.
At worst marijuana makes people temporarily lethargic or detached it does not make people destructive or terribly wreckless like alcohol does over and over again killing tens of thousands.

Equating marijuana with alcohol's adverse effects and pretending as if it's worse than it actually is, is counter-productive. It just helps to sustain and justify draconian drug laws that hurt more far people than it helps.

[Jerry!]

Damn, they didn't say weed kills tens of thousands of people. I don't care if people smoke weed either. But to say it doesn't impair judgment to some degree isn't right. I know of enough incidents because of weed that its impossible to say its causes no causalities or accidents.

[Scar Predator]

Whereever there are drugs and alcohol, there is stupidity. Often, stupidity's good buddys, injury and death, are on hand as well. Let me just cut to the chase kids, forget about the substances altogether. Life is too short and too precious.

[batnkevlar]

But c'mon, if they were high, they wouldn't have jumped up and down on the oil tankers...

and we shouldn't be yelling at Leto Atrides, we should be yelling at Mike D202, for coming up with falsified facts and opinions...

[uchiha_itachi]

funni how people seem to care more about the dog.. i gotaa so though when i read about the dog i felt sorri for it more than two teens flying thru the air..

[Scar Predator]

But c'mon, if they were high, they wouldn't have jumped up and down on the oil tankers...

and we shouldn't be yelling at Leto Atrides, we should be yelling at Mike D202, for coming up with falsified facts and opinions...

That's not true at all. Pot inhibits higher brain function. It can induce a sense of euphoria to the point of feeling invincible. Alcohol can do the same thing. It could have been a combination of both that made them jump.

[uchiha_itachi]

ive never felt invincible

[blind_fury]

But c'mon, if they were high, they wouldn't have jumped up and down on the oil tankers...
.
Nope.

They would've never left the couch. Unless they were out of munchies. Then they would've ventured out and spent 4 hours browsing for snacks and staring at magazine covers before going back home and sinking into a warm couch.

I think there are scientific studies that support this.

Who gets destructive and rowdy at sport events? The people who've been drinking since noon. Stoners aren't destructive or rowdy.

[Scar Predator]

Nope.

They would've never left the couch. Unless they were out of munchies. Then they would've ventured out and spent 4 hours browsing for snacks and staring at magazine covers before going back home and sinking into a warm couch.

I think there are scientific studies that support this.

Who gets destructive and rowdy at sport events? The people who've been drinking since noon. Stoners aren't destructive or rowdy.

There are over 60 psychoactive chemicals in pot. They can and do affect people in different ways. They can induce euphoria, aggression, paranoia and inhibit motor skills. Pot may not be as addicitve as harder drugs but if you are stoned, you are a danger to yourself and others. Check out NIDA.gov for the facts.

[JustABill]

Pot is dangerous?

Ha! I doubt it. I smoked so much in high school with friends and all we ever did was sit on our asses, eat alot of food, and watch either and TV and laugh our asses off.

However since then MOST of us have grown up and moved on from those things.

The only reason pot is illegal is because people fear change.

[Scar Predator]

Pot is dangerous?

.

Any intoxicant is dangerous. If the user is young or female or light in bodyweight or has a particular hypersensitivity to an intoxicant, it can be very serious.

[JustABill]

Plenty of the girls I hung with were either rather small in stature or frame. Surely if it was really that dangerous to a young small female SOMETHING would have happened ONCE to ANY of them, but nope nothing.

[blind_fury]

There are over 60 psychoactive chemicals in pot. They can and do affect people in different ways. They can induce euphoria, aggression, paranoia and inhibit motor skills. Pot may not be as addicitve as harder drugs but if you are stoned, you are a danger to yourself and others. Check out NIDA.gov for the facts.

Ok lets see:

euphoria - yeah. I agree with this totally. *sparks a blunt*

aggression - lolz! what kind of weed makes people more aggressive? Bizzaro hash?

paranoia - not to the point where you harm yourself or others. I've smoken weed with dozens of people and the worst that's happened is they thought their heart was beating too fast. On the rare occasions, the noob was so freaked out we took them to the hospital. Every time the doctors basically laughed at us for bringing a stoned person to the ER.

inhibit motor skills - Yes, this is true. You drive really slow if you're extremely stoned. But you're no worse a driver than someone on their cell phone driving 60 miles/hr. Let's make all cell phone usage illegal in or out of cars to solve this problem. :up:

I went to your website and they basically said that weed causes short-term problems with memory and learning which means you shouldn't smoke weed when you have something important to do. The same goes for drinking beer. Most weed smokers and drinkers figure this stuff out on their own before they finish college.

I don't see how people can justify these ridiculous drug laws that put tens of thousands of people away for possession of a substance far less dangerous or addictive than alcohol or cigarettes.

fatalities from alcohol = 85,000 per year

fatalities from marijuana = 0 per year :dry:

Stop with the hypocrisy. Legalize it and tax it already.

Build schools not prisons.

[PLAS]

here's a fun fact, if you are stupid by nature, it won't matter if you're stoned or on freebase or if you just drank half a gallon of eggnog, you are still stupid and prone to do stupid things... it's just a matter of time till you catch up with your own stupidity

[terry78]

You can be coherent and aware of stuff while high. You may be a tad slower, but you're aware of what's going on, you just notice it a little more. You're drunk, you act way more out of your element.

[JustABill]

Yes, drunk Bill = Wild and Crazy.

High Bill = Mellowed.

[Ghostvirus]

Ok lets see:

euphoria - yeah. I agree with this totally. *sparks a blunt*

aggression - lolz! what kind of weed makes people more aggressive? Bizzaro hash?

paranoia - not to the point where you harm yourself or others. I've smoken weed with dozens of people and the worst that's happened is they thought their heart was beating too fast. On the rare occasions, the noob was so freaked out we took them to the hospital. Every time the doctors basically laughed at us for bringing a stoned person to the ER.

inhibit motor skills - Yes, this is true. You drive really slow if you're extremely stoned. But you're no worse a driver than someone on their cell phone driving 60 miles/hr. Let's make all cell phone usage illegal in or out of cars to solve this problem. :up:

I went to your website and they basically said that weed causes short-term problems with memory and learning which means you shouldn't smoke weed when you have something important to do. The same goes for drinking beer. Most weed smokers and drinkers figure this stuff out on their own before they finish college.

I don't see how people can justify these ridiculous drug laws that put tens of thousands of people away for possession of a substance far less dangerous or addictive than alcohol or cigarettes.

fatalities from alcohol = 85,000 per year

fatalities from marijuana = 0 per year :dry:

Stop with the hypocrisy. Legalize it and tax it already.

Build schools not prisons.

The Bold is why I stopped. My heart felt like it was going to beat out of my chest. I didn't like that.:csad:

[Mike_D202]

Oh my god, I'm arguing with a bunch of pot heads.

I forgot one thing that annoys me about people who dope up all the time:

They think they know everything and are stubborn as hell when it comes to correcting them. There IS a reason why its illegal, and its not because the government wants to pick on you.

Then again it might help if you brushed up on your facts, people wouldn't be allowed to be high while they operate a vehicle, or do their job.

1. Sorry I assumed that marijuana does in fact alter your brain activity, I'm obviously sorely mistaken because many of you here have corrected myself and others.

2. Thank you for pointing out that I ignored to put "didn't" instead of "didnt". As well as "wouldn't" instead of "wouldnt". I shall be forever shamed that I have done such devestating damage to the english grammar.

[Mike_D202]

Cannabis is known to act on the hippocampus (an area of the brain associated with memory and learning), and impair short term memory and attention for the duration of its effects and in some cases for the next day.

So basically you turn into a zombie.

Another study concluded that sustained early-adolescent cannabis use among genetically predisposed individuals has been associated with a variety of mental illness outcomes, ranging from psychotic episodes to clinical schizophrenia

aaannd, it makes you crazy. (sorry Kritish, I know I mispelled "and").

[Ring Deacon]

dummys. stupid people deserve to die for doing stupid things.

[Arkady Rossovich]

I feel bad for the dog.:(

Screw the idiotic teens

Indeed.If you drink,and do drugs..you dont deserve anything better than that.

[Johnny Blaze]

I've been a pothead for a long time. I've smoked many different kinds of bud with many different kinds of people. If we were only smoking at the time, most still were able to keep a relatively clear head about important things. The ones who couldn't didn't have common sense in the first place, and were retards when they were sober. :o

I have seen someone only high get angry and aggressive a few times, but they were times that anyone in their right mind would get irate. One time, the guy just found out his girlfriend of three years was cheating on him, the other the man got robbed for a grand. :csad:
The majority of the time, if they're just smoking pot, people get lazy and tend to sit on their asses wasting the day away.

Still, pot can help increase work drive, believe it or not.
I've been on many job sites before, when I used to do construction, and in kitchens, where I now work, in which this has happened. The worker(s) smoke a little (1/2 joint to a joint) and get in a determined state of mind, focusing on their work, and are able to knock it out faster than usual with no lack in quality.
Hell, I've done it myself on more then one occasion. Trick is to know your tolerance and know the balance point between smoking enough to drive you and smoking yourself retarded. Again, common sense comes into play here.

[terry78]

I've seen guys come into movies after smoking weed and sit there and actally watch the movie..not disruptive. Then some other people that snuck in liquor are the ones you have to complain about.

[Johnny Blaze]

I've seen guys come into movies after smoking weed and sit there and actally watch the movie..not disruptive. Then some other people that snuck in liquor are the ones you have to complain about.

We (my friends and I) used to sneak in liquor to movies back in the day. :csad:

Course we weren't *******s that would ruin the movie for anyone, especially since we were watching it too. But before the movie and trailers started we were...a bit loud. :o

[Prognosticator]

Pity about the dog

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pics of the blast site

Where's that 15-year-old kid on here who doesn't have a job, and tells us how much pot he smokes??? ....I don't remember his name.

[Lurk]

Iceman

[Prognosticator]

Yeah, that's the kid!

[ArmyDragon92A]

But c'mon, if they were high, they wouldn't have jumped up and down on the oil tankers...

and we shouldn't be yelling at Leto Atrides, we should be yelling at Mike D202, for coming up with falsified facts and opinions...
Wrong. If they werent DRUNK they wouldn't have. :o

[ArmyDragon92A]

There are over 60 psychoactive chemicals in pot. They can and do affect people in different ways. They can induce euphoria, aggression, paranoia and inhibit motor skills. Pot may not be as addicitve as harder drugs but if you are stoned, you are a danger to yourself and others. Check out NIDA.gov for the facts. You're crazy. I work for the governement and even I know they are MARKETING Geniuses out there specifically designed to pulse lies about certain substances into the public. The big one being Marijuana. That site is a load of crap. This I know from personal experience. Marijuana is -not- addictive. If you are High the only danger you're in is of saying something overly funny, eating something entirely gross, and being really good in bed. :o

[Prognosticator]

That's right, I forgot that everyone has the EXACT same reaction to drugs/alcohol :whatever:

[Mike_D202]

This is two-sided argument. You guys are saying that if you were high, you'd never jump on an oil tank.

Well, if I were DRUNK, I personally wouldnt be jumping on oil tanks myself. So if we're gonna blame a mind-altering drug, blame both.

[ArmyDragon92A]

So basically you turn into a zombie.



aaannd, it makes you crazy. (sorry Kritish, I know I mispelled "and"). You're being an ignorant grunt.

[Ice-man]

aww Poor dog. My condolences.

[ArmyDragon92A]

That's right, I forgot that everyone has the EXACT same reaction to drugs/alcohol :whatever: Weed was named a drug to give it a bad name so you know. :o

[Prognosticator]

aww Poor dog. My condolences.

Distasteful. Typical.

[Prognosticator]

Weed was named a drug to give it a bad name so you know. :o

Thanks. Your conspiracy theory is duely noted.

[Mike_D202]

You're crazy. I work for the governement and even I know they are MARKETING Geniuses out there specifically designed to pulse lies about certain substances into the public. The big one being Marijuana. That site is a load of crap. This I know from personal experience. Marijuana is -not- addictive. If you are High the only danger you're in is of saying something overly funny, eating something entirely gross, and being really good in bed. :o

sounds like the rambling of a schizophrenic addict :oldrazz:

[ArmyDragon92A]

Thanks. Your conspiracy theory is duely noted.Theory? You're speaking to someone who works on the inside of the machine. It's not a theory.

[Mike_D202]

^^ working at a post office doesnt count

[ArmyDragon92A]

sounds like the rambling of a schizophrenic addict :oldrazz: How can you be addicted to schizophrenia? *cough*

And I'm in the Military. I had to stop to be accepted in such.

Guess I'm addicted to it eh?

And schizophrenia? Now you're just being an ignorant ass.

[Johnny Blaze]

This is two-sided argument. You guys are saying that if you were high, you'd never jump on an oil tank.

Well, if I were DRUNK, I personally wouldnt be jumping on oil tanks myself. So if we're gonna blame a mind-altering drug, blame both.

Personally, I don't think you shouldn't blame the drug either way.
If a person's a retard, they're going to be a retard no matter what. I can bet that if they weren't drunken idiots that night and didn't die, that those two brainchilds would've done something stupid down the line to take themselves from the genepool.
It falls back to the common sense thing again. Some have it, some don't. Those two kids fell into the latter group. I've seen stoners and drunks act with more sense than some sober people.

[ArmyDragon92A]

^^ working at a post office doesnt count So if you work in a post office why even involve yourself in this discussion, Civilian? :o

[Prognosticator]

Theory? You're speaking to someone who works on the inside of the machine. It's not a theory.


The machine?


http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p150/Prognosticator/self_preservation_machine_web.jpg

[Mike_D202]

So if you work in a post office why even involve yourself in this discussion, Civilian? :o

I was referring to you. Lay off the refer :o

[amazingfantasy15]

This thread is hilarious. All the potheads explaining the virtues of weed against the evils of alcohol. As a former pothead, I know pot makes you do stupid things, alcohol does too, combine the two and the stupid things get even dumber. There have been many times when I've only been high where I did nothing more than sit on a couch, laughing at stupid stuff, many other times where I've gotten off the couch to DO stupid stuff, like shooting fireworks down a hall of the house I lived in at college as an example. Weed doesn't make you aggresive like alcohol, but it does make you stupid. As for the stats of alcohol related deaths to weed deaths, I'm sure weed has caused people to get into driving accidents and other stupid accidents, you're not gonna die directly of weed like you will with alcohol poisoning, but I'm sure bad decisions were made that caused people to die due to smoking weed, no drug is 100% innocent.

[Ice-man]

Distasteful. Typical.

:whatever:

[Mike_D202]

This thread is hilarious. All the potheads explaining the virtues of weed against the evils of alcohol. As a former pothead, I know pot makes you do stupid things, alcohol does too, combine the two and the stupid things get even dumber. There have been many times when I've only been high where I did nothing more than sit on a couch, laughing at stupid stuff, many other times where I've gotten off the couch to DO stupid stuff, like shooting fireworks down a hall of the house I lived in at college as an example. Weed doesn't make you aggresive like alcohol, but it does make you stupid. As for the stats of alcohol related deaths to weed deaths, I'm sure weed has caused people to get into driving accidents and other stupid accidents, you're not gonna die directly of weed like you will with alcohol poisoning, but I'm sure bad decisions were made that caused people to die due to smoking weed, no drug is 100% innocent.

:up:

[The Original Bamfer]

Mary Jane messes with the brain, its no wonder why its illegal. I certianly wouldnt want a stoned paramedic attending to me in an emergency

Well, yeah...

or be a passenger while the driver is on a burn-ride.

Depends on the driver

Yes I'm sure them being drunk did most of the damage but I'm sure the drugs didnt help out much either.

I would blame it mostly on the alcohol...

[amazingfantasy15]

Weed was named a drug to give it a bad name so you know. :o

I totally believe this. The only thing I can think of way weed is illegal is it would be too hard to tax because it's too easy to grow your own.

[Ice-man]

I totally believe this. The only thing I can think of way weed is illegal is it would be too hard to tax because it's too easy to grow your own.


Imo i too think weed is illigal cuz governmeant coudlnt controle it and tax it... so the next best thing to do, make it illigal so no one can have it...


but heh that plan backfired...

[The Original Bamfer]

Personally, I don't think you shouldn't blame the drug either way.
If a person's a retard, they're going to be a retard no matter what. I can bet that if they weren't drunken idiots that night and didn't die, that those two brainchilds would've done something stupid down the line to take themselves from the genepool.
It falls back to the common sense thing again. Some have it, some don't. Those two kids fell into the latter group. I've seen stoners and drunks act with more sense than some sober people.

Exactly. :up:

[ArmyDragon92A]

I was referring to you. Lay off the refer :o
Sorry to dash you dreams Civilian but I'm in the Army. I'm a Logistic Specialist. Go attempt to be condescending to someone who doesn't hold a form of authority over you. Might be a lot smarter than being an ******* inside of a debate. :whatever:

[Prognosticator]

Yup weed is illigal cuz governmeant cant controle it and tax it... so whats they next best thing, they make it illigal.

nope. the govt made it illegal after seeing the effects it had on Native American progressiveness.

[ArmyDragon92A]

This thread is hilarious. All the potheads explaining the virtues of weed against the evils of alcohol. As a former pothead, I know pot makes you do stupid things, alcohol does too, combine the two and the stupid things get even dumber. There have been many times when I've only been high where I did nothing more than sit on a couch, laughing at stupid stuff, many other times where I've gotten off the couch to DO stupid stuff, like shooting fireworks down a hall of the house I lived in at college as an example. Weed doesn't make you aggresive like alcohol, but it does make you stupid. As for the stats of alcohol related deaths to weed deaths, I'm sure weed has caused people to get into driving accidents and other stupid accidents, you're not gonna die directly of weed like you will with alcohol poisoning, but I'm sure bad decisions were made that caused people to die due to smoking weed, no drug is 100% innocent. To me it sounds like you were stupid enough to shoot fireworks on the inside of a building from the beginning. Don't sit here trying to blame Marijuana. Thats a cop out. Man Up. :o

[Prognosticator]

Sorry to dash you dreams Civilian but I'm in the Army. I'm a Logistic Specialist. Go attempt to be condescending to someone who doesn't hold a form of authority over you. Might be a lot smarter than being an ******* inside of a debate. :whatever:

I like it when she calls people "Civilian". :woot: At 22, you likely just began your stint of "inside information", or your education is still below most of ours. :o

[blind_fury]

Oh my god, I'm arguing with a bunch of pot heads.

I forgot one thing that annoys me about people who dope up all the time:

They think they know everything and are stubborn as hell when it comes to correcting them. There IS a reason why its illegal, and its not because the government wants to pick on you.
.

You have no idea why weed became illegal do you?

It had more to do with unwanted immigrants and racism than it did with serious public health concerns.

You think alcohol is more safe even though it kills 85,000 times as many people as marijuana. What's the point of keeping your brain in it's normal state if you never actually use it independently? You just use it to follow whatever big brother tells you.

You don't care about the facts. That alcohol is far more dangerous/addictive/destructive. Your just another lemming who does whatever the status quo is doing, never exploring beyond the dictated boundaries. Pathetic.

Dude take some shrooms before you die. You may finally see beyond your narrow thought process for once in your mechanical and tragically dictated life.

[The Original Bamfer]

If you have a good level of common sense and self-control, MJ really can't make you do anything you wouldn't normally do. Hell, even if you don't have common sense or self-control, it still can't make you do something you wouldn't do. This is why stupid sober people do stupid things when they are stupid high people.

[Spider-Bite]

We need alternative energies!






sorry, just had to say it

[Spider-Bite]

If you have a good level of common sense and self-control, MJ really can't make you do anything you wouldn't normally do. Hell, even if you don't have common sense or self-control, it still can't make you do something you wouldn't do. This is why stupid sober people do stupid things when they are stupid high people.

Hahaha. Excellent post!

[ArmyDragon92A]

I like it when she calls people "Civilian". :woot: At 22, you likely just began your stint of "inside information", or your education is still below most of ours. :o "She"? Amusing. And I've been in the Army since High School, and I graduated College while in the Army. Assumptions. You know what they about them eh? :o

[Mike_D202]

Sorry to dash you dreams Civilian but I'm in the Army. I'm a Logistic Specialist. Go attempt to be condescending to someone who doesn't hold a form of authority over you. Might be a lot smarter than being an ******* inside of a debate. :whatever:

LMAO...ANYBODY can join the army. Just because you dress in green doesnt mean you can throw your weight around. Honor the flag you represent, dont embarass it like you already have.

[Spider-Bite]

You have no idea why weed became illegal do you?

It had more to do with unwanted immigrants and racism than it did with serious public health concerns.

You think alcohol is more safe even though it kills 85,000 times as many people as marijuana. What's the point of keeping your brain in it's normal state if you never actually use it independently? You just use it to follow whatever big brother tells you.

You don't care about the facts. That alcohol is far more dangerous/addictive/destructive. Your just another lemming who does whatever the status quo is doing, never exploring beyond the dictated boundaries. Pathetic.

Dude take some shrooms before you die. You may finally see beyond your narrow thought process for once in your mechanical and tragically dictated life.

Dude please stop promoting shroom usage. It only hurts the legalization of marijuana argument, becuase people wont take somebody seriously, whom believes that a hallucigen that makes a person trip out, should be legal. Marijuana should be legal. It is a very mild drug, even when compared to Alcohol. But shrooms distort perception of reality, and can be dangerous, along with LSD. And other drugs like Coke, Crack, and Crystal Methane are very destructive.

The only recreational drug that needs to be legalized is Marijuana. And it should only be legal for adults. It should come with a 4.50 cent tax per gram as well.

[blind_fury]

This thread is hilarious. All the potheads explaining the virtues of weed against the evils of alcohol. As a former pothead, I know pot makes you do stupid things, alcohol does too, combine the two and the stupid things get even dumber. There have been many times when I've only been high where I did nothing more than sit on a couch, laughing at stupid stuff, many other times where I've gotten off the couch to DO stupid stuff, like shooting fireworks down a hall of the house I lived in at college as an example. Weed doesn't make you aggresive like alcohol, but it does make you stupid. As for the stats of alcohol related deaths to weed deaths, I'm sure weed has caused people to get into driving accidents and other stupid accidents, you're not gonna die directly of weed like you will with alcohol poisoning, but I'm sure bad decisions were made that caused people to die due to smoking weed, no drug is 100% innocent.

The point is their not equally bad.

If weed was legal this point wouldn't even be necessary to make.

No drug is 100% innocent? What about a drug used for a multitude of medicinal purposes and I'm not talking about alcohol or nicotine.

Weed has far more medicinal uses than alcohol or cigarettes and is far less dangerous/addictive. Why would you waste any of your energy opposing it's legalization or private recreational use? :dry:

[Prognosticator]

"She"? Amusing. And I've been in the Army since High School, and I graduated College while in the Army. Assumptions. You know what they about them eh? :o

Very true. I know about as much of you as you do about the multi-layered truths behind drugs/alcohol-related accidents and/or the government's drug stance origin. :o In truth, we are both a bit uneducated.

[ArmyDragon92A]

LMAO...ANYBODY can join the army. Just because you dress in green doesnt mean you can throw your weight around. Honor the flag you represent, dont embarass it like you already have. Actually thats not true. ANYBODY can TRY to join the Army. Not everyone can get in. Even people who pass the entrance exam don't pass Basic. Even people who pass Basic don't Pass AIT (College for the Field You selected) The majority of people joining the Army get a lower score on the entrance exam forcing them into MOS' that hold no weight in the real world and usually make them unhappy with future careers. I'm not one of those people. The Marine Corps has the lowest entrance exam score as a requirement.

Time to start speaking facts over fiction CIVILIAN. Time for you to honor being a human being before you embarrass your birth mother , if you know her, anymore than you already have. :o

[Ice-man]

You have no idea why weed became illegal do you?

It had more to do with unwanted immigrants and racism than it did with serious public health concerns.

You think alcohol is more safe even though it kills 85,000 times as many people as marijuana. What's the point of keeping your brain in it's normal state if you never actually use it independently? You just use it to follow whatever big brother tells you.

You don't care about the facts. That alcohol is far more dangerous/addictive/destructive. Your just another lemming who does whatever the status quo is doing, never exploring beyond the dictated boundaries. Pathetic.

Dude take some shrooms before you die. You may finally see beyond your narrow thought process for once in your mechanical and tragically dictated life.


well said, i mean i did my reaserch on weed, i may not know all there is to know but i know enough to say that weed is by far much better for you than drinking, weed in short term wont do much, but in long term it could.

but honestly who cares, mi sure il function just fine 10 years from now.


i love smoking weed cuz it opens up my mind, im not restricted by the bull **** boundrys, any halucinagine is great if you want to escape the real world for a bit.

which is why im considering shrooms, its a bigg maybe though, cuz i dont realy want to do it, its something that i have to do for the experience.


i mean yea i still smoke, i tryed to quit, but my life was soo dull without it..

[Mike_D202]

You have no idea why weed became illegal do you?

It had more to do with unwanted immigrants and racism than it did with serious public health concerns.

You think alcohol is more safe even though it kills 85,000 times as many people as marijuana. What's the point of keeping your brain in it's normal state if you never actually use it independently? You just use it to follow whatever big brother tells you.

You don't care about the facts. That alcohol is far more dangerous/addictive/destructive. Your just another lemming who does whatever the status quo is doing, never exploring beyond the dictated boundaries. Pathetic.

Dude take some shrooms before you die. You may finally see beyond your narrow thought process for once in your mechanical and tragically dictated life.


http://www.matt-garrett.com/photos/friends/hippy-dave-1.JPG

[PemLam]

LMAO...ANYBODY can join the army. Just because you dress in green doesnt mean you can throw your weight around. Honor the flag you represent, dont embarass it like you already have.


Actually the Army rejects at least half of the brain dead idiots that attempt to enlist...the others get commissioned. Just kiddin Dragon! Hooah.

[ArmyDragon92A]

Very true. I know about as much of you as you do about the multi-layered truths behind drugs/alcohol-related accidents and/or the government's drug stance origin. :o In truth, we are both a bit uneducated. There you go with those assumptions again. Here, I'll give you an actual fact. In my first year of college, I passed a Drug Relations course with flying colors and became an on campus counselor for the abuse of drugs and alcohol. It's more likely that I have more information on this subject than the average person. I.E.: You. :o

[ArmyDragon92A]

Actually the Army rejects at least half of the brain dead idiots that attempt to enlist...the others get commissioned. Just kiddin Dragon! Hooah. Im graduating from OCS soon enough. No worries. lol.

[Prognosticator]

well said, i mean i did my reaserch on weed, i may not know all there is to know but i know enough to say that weed is by far much better for you than drinking, weed in short term wont do much, but in long term it could.

but honestly who cares, mi sure il function just fine 10 years from now.


i love smoking weed cuz it opens up my mind, im not restricted by the bull **** boundrys, any halucinagine is great if you want to escape the real world for a bit.

which is why im considering shrooms, its a bigg maybe though, cuz i dont realy want to do it, its something that i have to do for the experience.


i mean yea i still smoke, i tryed to quit, but my life was soo dull without it..

but weed makes you stupid.....or did you make all of those puncuation/spelling errors while "clean"? :o

please tell me you didn't do your "research" for an English report in the high school library?? :(

[DorkyFresh]

http://www.matt-garrett.com/photos/friends/hippy-dave-1.JPG

you post a picture of a hippy as an insult instead of coming up with a smart, intellectual post that could possibly discredit blind_fury...

...and they say pot damages the brain?

[PemLam]

Im graduating from OCS soon enough. No worries. lol.

Come over from the dark side...in the AF we get 4 months vacation per year, wear shorts to work and can call everyone "dude" or "bud". :woot:

[DorkyFresh]

but weed makes you stupid.....or did you make all of those puncuation/spelling errors while "clean"? :o

this isn't a school councel or an official hearing. if you can read the post just fine then there's urgent need to use correct punctuation and grammar on these boards seeing as how more than 80% of the people here don't.....just look at your post.

[ArmyDragon92A]

Come over from the dark side...in the AF we get 4 months vacation per year, wear shorts to work and can call everyone "dude" or "bud". :woot: I was gonna join up with you guys but...I dunno...I think I'm afraid of getting sucked into a damn turbine on deck lol.

[Prognosticator]

There you go with those assumptions again. Here, I'll give you an actual fact. In my first year of college, I passed a Drug Relations course with flying colors and became an on campus counselor for the abuse of drugs and alcohol. It's more likely that I have more information on this subject than the average person. I.E.: You. :o

passed a course with "flying colors"?? am i in a made-for-tv movie, or did you really say that?

"More Likely", so obviously, like I said before, we BOTH really don't know everything on the subject and could stand a little more education, especially the one of us that continues to KNOW-ALL.

....And I'm offended that you refered to me as "you"! I prefer "Civilian" when being lectured by an Army kid.

[ArmyDragon92A]

www.educate-yourself.org

[ArmyDragon92A]

passed a course with "flying colors"?? am i in a made-for-tv movie, or did you really say that?

"More Likely", so obviously, like I said before, we BOTH really don't know everything on the subject and could stand a little more education, especially the one of us that continues to KNOW-ALL.

....And I'm offended that you refered to me as "you"! I prefer "Civilian" when being lectured by an Army kid. Incredible that your ignorance stands strong regardless.

[PemLam]

I was gonna join up with you guys but...I dunno...I think I'm afraid of getting sucked into a damn turbine on deck lol.

The only "decks" we have are attached to the 20 bedroom houses they give us on base! You're far more likely to suffer carpal tunnel syndrome from typing on forums...kinda like I'm doing...while at work...which I am...in the friggin Middle East...where I'm at. :csad:

[Prognosticator]

this isn't a school councel or an official hearing. if you can read the post just fine then there's urgent need to use correct punctuation and grammar on these boards seeing as how more than 80% of the people here don't.....just look at your post.

i thought mods had red font on their name sigs??

[PemLam]

Does anyone think the dog was smoking weed when it happened? All of a sudden he's flying through the air thinking WTF?!

[The Original Bamfer]

I am so confused... and I'm not even blazed/****-faced! :confused:

[Prognosticator]

Incredible that your ignorance stands strong regardless.

this coming from the person who is "praying" that someone "burns in hell"....:huh:

[DorkyFresh]

i thought mods had red font on their name sigs??
you don't need to be a mod in order to figure out how these forums work...but i guess you didn't know that since you were too busy jumping down someones throat about their grammar as opposed to actually addressing the argument.

[blind_fury]

Dude please stop promoting shroom usage. It only hurts the legalization of marijuana argument, becuase people wont take somebody seriously, whom believes that a hallucigen that makes a person trip out, should be legal. Marijuana should be legal. It is a very mild drug, even when compared to Alcohol. But shrooms distort perception of reality, and can be dangerous, along with LSD. And other drugs like Coke, Crack, and Crystal Methane are very destructive.

The only recreational drug that needs to be legalized is Marijuana. And it should only be legal for adults. It should come with a 4.50 cent tax per gram as well.

Don't tell me how to debate or what to promote.

You don't like shrooms tough s--t. You probably never had a good trip. I have. It was one of the most beautiful experiences of my life. So until you have a better trip don't tell me it was a bad thing and the government should have the right to restrict my perceptive expansion and exploration. It is not for you or the government to decide my friend.

Go to Amsterdam before you advocate a shroom-less society. See how easy it is to go to a "smart shop" (their terminology, not mine) and get powerful mind-altering drugs. See how these shops are mostly empty and only the rare traveler goes there to break on through to the other side. You'll see that legal shrooms is not detrimental to society as much as taking away basic human rights to ingest natural substances that allow visions and insights beyond anything you could possibly imagine.

Those who give up their liberties for security deserve neither.

Now you know and knowing is half the battle. :up:

And don't equate shrooms with crack and meth. I'd be all for their legalization as well if their addictive properties didn't take away ones freedom/liberty to abstain from the drug itself.

[ArmyDragon92A]

The only "decks" we have are attached to the 20 bedroom houses they give us on base! You're far more likely to suffer carpal tunnel syndrome from typing on forums...kinda like I'm doing...while at work...which I am...in the friggin Middle East...where I'm at. :csad: Sucks. you're in admin?

[ArmyDragon92A]

this coming from the person who is "praying" that someone "burns in hell"....:huh: You're bringing out something like that into a thread like this? The man was proven to have murdered his family. I said if hell exists he deserves a spot.

If you're saying that in his defense maybe you should follow him :o

[PemLam]

Sucks. you're in admin?

No, a cop. Far enough up the chain that I get stuck doing this stuff instead of working out on the line most of the time. Life's good though...2 years to retirement and uninterrupted time with my wife and little girls.

[ArmyDragon92A]

No, a cop. Far enough up the chain that I get stuck doing this stuff instead of working out on the line most of the time. Life's good though...2 years to retirement and uninterrupted time with my wife and little girls.
Good Show. I always wondered why people joined up to be a damn cop though. lol

[PemLam]

Good Show. I always wondered why people joined up to be a damn cop though. lol

For the chicks...see 'em, stop 'em, run their info...then stalk 'em! :ninja:

[blind_fury]

http://www.matt-garrett.com/photos/friends/hippy-dave-1.JPG

Yeah I'd rather be that guy than a wannabe Nazi Scout Leader.

see! I can use extremes and labels to marginalize an opposing view too.

The best thing is you don't need to use reason or discussion, just lazy slander and visual gimmicks. :up:

[ArmyDragon92A]

Yeah I'd rather be that guy than a wannabe Nazi Scout Leader.

see! I can use extremes and labels to marginalize an opposing view too.

The best thing is you don't need to use reason or discussion, just lazy slander and visual gimmicks. :up:
:word:

[Carcharodon]

You guys are all high right now, aren't you? :o

[blind_fury]

You guys are all high right now, aren't you? :o

Why do you care?

Are you a NARC? :csad:

[PemLam]

You guys are all high right now, aren't you? :o

yup...on caffeine...nothing like 3 cups of coffee chased with Mt. Dew and Red Bull to get you moving! Yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssss!

[Carcharodon]

Why do you care?

Are you a NARC? :csad:I'm addicted to marijuana. :csad:

[Prognosticator]

you don't need to be a mod in order to figure out how these forums work...but i guess you didn't know that since you were too busy jumping down someones throat about their grammar as opposed to actually addressing the argument.

Unless you were part of our past discussion of MJ, which was tent-poled by Ice-Man, then you are most certainly walking into a conversation already in progress, and therefore getting at me for no reason. It's not like I chose to use that ONE statement of IM's. In his former defense of weed, his grammer was so uncontrolably bad, there was near-lenching as a result of it. Mods and "Civs" alike gritting their teeth and so forth...

[PemLam]

I'm addicted to marijuana. :csad:

I'm addicted to the little plastic bags it comes in...damn stores can't keep enough Zip Lock bags in stock to keep me satisfied.

[DorkyFresh]

Unless you were part of our past discussion of MJ, which was tent-poled by Ice-Man, then you are most certainly walking into a conversation already in progress, and therefore getting at me for no reason.
it's an open discussion board....get used to that kinda stuff. if you can't handle it then too bad.

[Prognosticator]

Thank you for your continuing service in stating the obvious.

[amazingfantasy15]

The point is their not equally bad.

If weed was legal this point wouldn't even be necessary to make.

No drug is 100% innocent? What about a drug used for a multitude of medicinal purposes and I'm not talking about alcohol or nicotine.

Weed has far more medicinal uses than alcohol or cigarettes and is far less dangerous/addictive. Why would you waste any of your energy opposing it's legalization or private recreational use? :dry:

Okay, first I never said it shouldn't be legalized or people shouldn't use it, I'm just saying people do dumb $#!t when they're high, I know from experience. It was all innocent dumb $#!t and no one got hurt, but it doesn't change the fact that it was dumb.

If weed was legal, these kids would still be blown up.

Also, you ever watch commercials those other medicinal drugs? Hear about the side effects? Also most of them carry the risk of dependancy and I'm willing to bet all will kill you if you take too many. No drug is 100% innocent.

Finally yes weed has medicinal uses, but most people use it to get high, not to help their arthritis or glucoma.

As I said I smoked a lot of weed in college, it's a fun drug. I don't do it anymore mostly because it too much of a hassle to find. If you're still smoking up that's fine, I'd never judge someone just for smoking weed, but if you do something stupid while smoking weed, I'll make fun of you.

[Mike_D202]

you post a picture of a hippy as an insult instead of coming up with a smart, intellectual post that could possibly discredit blind_fury...

...and they say pot damages the brain?

The guy told me I should do some shrooms. That doesnt need an intelectual response.

[DorkyFresh]

Thank you for your continuing service in stating the obvious.
you're welcome. i'll stop stating the obvious once you stop acting like you don't know... :cwink:

[Prognosticator]

Nevah!!!




:)

[DorkyFresh]

The guy told me I should do some shrooms. That doesnt need an intelectual response.
so instead of saying what you just said...or showing him that you DO indeed know what you're talking about, you took the lower, more cowardly, route and posted a picture as an insult. yeah...that's MUCH better!

[Mike_D202]

so instead of saying what you just said...you took the lower route and tried to insult him. yeah...that's MUCH better!

If you would go back and read through the posts around here, everyone tries to insult another with big words (god knows if they even use them off the message forums). I simply used an image to break up the tension around here.

The guy obviously has half his brain cells missing (hes doing more than marijuana), so theres no point in arguing with somebody about drug usage when they in fact do drugs themselves. They probably dont even listen to they're close friends who try and get them to stop (and probably had a few relationships end because of it).

When are YOU gonna post a valid response to the news article? All I've seen you do is defend the posters who are defending drug usage.

[blind_fury]

so instead of saying what you just said...or showing him that you DO indeed know what you're talking about, you took the lower, more cowardly, route and posted a picture as an insult. yeah...that's MUCH better!

He took the blue pill. :csad:

Forget him. He's been plugged in too long. There are others worth saving.

[ArmyDragon92A]

you're welcome. i'll stop stating the obvious once you stop acting like you don't know... :cwink: :word:

[blind_fury]

I'm addicted to marijuana. :csad:
You can't get addicted to marijuana!

Have you ever sucked c--k for marijuana?

Boo this man!!! Booo!!!! :cmad:

[Carcharodon]

You can't get addicted to marijuana!

Have you ever sucked c--k for marijuana?

Boo this man!!! Booo!!!! :cmad:I'LL SUCK YOUR C--K FOR SOME RESIN! OH GOD PLEEEEEEASE!!!! :csad:







:dry:

[DorkyFresh]

When are YOU gonna post a valid response to the news article?
since when did i need to post a response to the article in order to post here? it's a free message board...as long as i'm not trolling, i'll post however i decide.

All I've seen you do is defend the posters who are defending drug usage.
and all i've seen you do is ignorantly bash drug users w/out providing any good arguments.

He took the blue pill. :csad:

Forget him. He's been plugged in too long. There are others worth saving.
yeah...i kinda figured that much out by now. moving along... :)

[Mike_D202]

since when did i need to post a response to the article in order to post here? it's a free message board...as long as i'm not trolling, i'll post however i decide.

Well, this thread's subject is what we're discussing. What your doing I believe that would be called "trolling."


and all i've seen you do is ignorantly bash drug users w/out providing any good arguments.


No, you've only read the stuff that you wanted to read. I've posted valid arguments only to have "you need to do shrooms" (from a burn out) or "your an ignorant ass, the government has control of your brain" (from a paranoid military pot head) responses.

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Okay, first I never said it shouldn't be legalized or people shouldn't use it, I'm just saying people do dumb $#!t when they're high, I know from experience. It was all innocent dumb $#!t and no one got hurt, but it doesn't change the fact that it was dumb.

If weed was legal, these kids would still be blown up.

Also, you ever watch commercials those other medicinal drugs? Hear about the side effects? Also most of them carry the risk of dependancy and I'm willing to bet all will kill you if you take too many. No drug is 100% innocent.

Finally yes weed has medicinal uses, but most people use it to get high, not to help their arthritis or glucoma.
The fact that most states won't even allow people to smoke weed for medicinal purposes should tell you something. They don't care about people. But I don't need another excuse to smoke weed. I enjoy smoking it and I'm not hurting anyone else. That's more than enough reason to let people smoke it on their own property.

As I said I smoked a lot of weed in college, it's a fun drug. I don't do it anymore mostly because it too much of a hassle to find. If you're still smoking up that's fine, I'd never judge someone just for smoking weed, but if you do something stupid while smoking weed, I'll make fun of you.
If someone is spaced out on a drug and you laugh at them, you're being even more childish than they are.