Discussion: Legalizing Marijuana

[omid17]

Just remember that marijuana is currently illegal under federal law, even if marijuana becomes legal in California there's still federal issues.
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[moraldeficiency]

Yeah but really, it isn't like the DEA is running around busting potheads, you make that something normal cops aren't bothering with and you've got almost nothing. Especially if the locals aren't even gonna help the DEA if they're going after hemp, they'll just stop bothering.

[Bnightwing]

It won't affect me one bit if this happens.

[Majic Walrus]

Yeah but really, it isn't like the DEA is running around busting potheads, you make that something normal cops aren't bothering with and you've got almost nothing. Especially if the locals aren't even gonna help the DEA if they're going after hemp, they'll just stop bothering.

That's true, but it wouldn't prevent a someone from being federally prosecuted for growing massive amounts of weed. Rarely does the DEA go after people who casually smoke or even sell weed on the small scale. They're much more concerned with the producers.

I don't exactly know how this will work. It seems like it would be impossible for a state to "legalize" marijuana and the federal government to maintain its status as "illegal". This means that you could be prosecuted for growing and farming weed, by the DEA even though there's no state law against it.

Effectively marijuana would still be illegal but the state wouldn't prosecute. I think we need a consitutional amendment that makes marijuana legal. Period. This removes confusing jurisdictional issues.

[BillyZaned]

Weed being illegal is one of the dumbest laws around.... alcohol is worse

[omid17]

That's true, but it wouldn't prevent a someone from being federally prosecuted for growing massive amounts of weed. Rarely does the DEA go after people who casually smoke or even sell weed on the small scale. They're much more concerned with the producers.

I don't exactly know how this will work. It seems like it would be impossible for a state to "legalize" marijuana and the federal government to maintain its status as "illegal". This means that you could be prosecuted for growing and farming weed, by the DEA even though there's no state law against it.

Effectively marijuana would still be illegal but the state wouldn't prosecute. I think we need a consitutional amendment that makes marijuana legal. Period. This removes confusing jurisdictional issues.:up:

my friend got caught up a few weeks back they only gave him a ticket and he's 20 btw they just wanted to know who the dealer was.

If we get shops we don't have to worry about growing it, just go in get what ever you want pay tax and take care

[Franklin Richards]

If Healthcare Reform includes a state opt out, I will seriously consider moving to California.



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[Franklin Richards]

If Healthcare Reform includes a state opt out, I will seriously consider moving to California.



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[omid17]

Weed being illegal is one of the dumbest laws around.... alcohol is worsetrue, it pisses me off how we need DEA, i mean come on all they do is wear a **** load of gear waste our money searching for plants with their choppers and just destroying them wow, so much hard work

[CrashNburn]

Weed being illegal is one of the dumbest laws around.... alcohol is worse

how can you really compare weed and alcohol? they're both worse...but i do loves me some drinks!

[BillyZaned]

Weed is legalized.... here's what happens

creates more jobs....

creates more money for the government because I'm sure it will be taxed....

creates more happyness....

my stock in Doritos skyrockets,


Billyzaned retires on a yacht with 3 playmates... like eating KFC every day, a breast in my mouth, leg in one hand, and a thigh in another....

[chaseter]

Momentum and pot should never be used in the same sentence.

[BillyZaned]

how can you really compare weed and alcohol? they're both worse...but i do loves me some drinks!


yeah, because stoned people get behind the wheel of a car, and kill a family of four

because some women gets the crap beat out of her by her stoned bf


????????

You smoke weed, all you do is listen to the Doors, and eat a ton of junk food....

[chaseter]

Weed being illegal is one of the dumbest laws around.... alcohol is worse
They are both bad. Your lungs and body don't need smoke and your liver doesn't need alcohol. They both impair you and they both can be addicting. They are both bad. One is not worse than the other and I really could care less if pot was legal. I am against hallucinogens and hard drugs being legal.

[BillyZaned]

They are both bad. Your lungs and body don't need smoke and your liver doesn't need alcohol. They both impair you and they both can be addicting. They are both bad. One is not worse than the other and I really could care less if pot was legal. I am against hallucinogens and hard drugs being legal.

then by your defention, stuff like codien is bad, and laughing gas?

[chaseter]

yeah, because stoned people get behind the wheel of a car, and kill a family of four

because some women gets the crap beat out of her by her stoned bf


????????

You smoke weed, all you do is listen to the Doors, and eat a ton of junk food....
That is completely false.

[BillyZaned]

That is completely false.

really, what's false about a weed head eating junk food and listening to jim morrison?

[CelticPredator]

I really hope this ****ing happens.....I love weed! It makes things bettah. :D

Only on the weekends though....

[omid17]

yup i know neighbors and parents that smoke bud, they are all cool and normal people

[BillyZaned]

BUT I WILL PLAY WITH MY DAD'S GUN... and shoot myself.... lol...

remember those false commercials that came out...

[Majic Walrus]

The main reason that I want pot to be legalized is because of crime prevention. Too many people go to jail for minor offenses related to marijuana abuses and end up getting out of jail and move on to harder and harder offenses. The only reason that marijuana is a gateway drug is because it's a gateway to prison.

Legal marijuana would not be dangerous at all. At the very worst it becomes a taxable luxury like cigarettes helps make the government money. At the worst it remains a black market commodity and the number of people in jail for pot problems goes down. We have more room in prisons for dangerous criminals and then when drunk drivers get arrested they actually go to jail instead of being released because the jail is "full up".

[omid17]

The main reason that I want pot to be legalized is because of crime prevention. Too many people go to jail for minor offenses related to marijuana abuses and end up getting out of jail and move on to harder and harder offenses. The only reason that marijuana is a gateway drug is because it's a gateway to prison.

Legal marijuana would not be dangerous at all. At the very worst it becomes a taxable luxury like cigarettes helps make the government money. At the worst it remains a black market commodity and the number of people in jail for pot problems goes down. We have more room in prisons for dangerous criminals and then when drunk drivers get arrested they actually go to jail instead of being released because the jail is "full up".well said

[CelticPredator]

Agreed.

[BillyZaned]

People go to jail longer for selling a ounce of weed, then guys who rape little children...


fact

[omid17]

People go to jail longer for selling a ounce of weed, then guys who rape little children...


factthat's true :csad:

[chaseter]

really, what's false about a weed head eating junk food and listening to jim morrison?
You are basing this off of your personal experiences and presenting it as fact.

Not all weed heads stay at home and eat junk food just like not all drunks stay at home and play drinking games. There are more alcohol related deaths per year because alcohol is legal. Weed and alcohol are both inhibitors and they impair your judgement, reaction time, and cognition. When someone stoned gets behind the wheel, they have just as much of a chance to kill that family of four like the drunk person does.

It is silly to think that all pot heads are responsible just like it is silly to say that alcohol is more dangerous. Both are fine when used responsibly and both are dangerous when one does not do so.

[chaseter]

People go to jail longer for selling a ounce of weed, then guys who rape little children...


fact
That is one of the most ignorant statements I have heard on here.

[BillyZaned]

do you really think, that if pot is legal, alot more people will smoke it? if you want weed, you know where to get it... easier then buying beer IMO...

[omid17]

all people i know who blaze, say they drive better when they're high

[BillyZaned]

do you really think, that if pot is legal, alot more people will smoke it? if you want weed, you know where to get it... easier then buying beer IMO...

[CrashNburn]

yeah, because stoned people get behind the wheel of a car, and kill a family of four

because some women gets the crap beat out of her by her stoned bf


????????

You smoke weed, all you do is listen to the Doors, and eat a ton of junk food....

isnt stoned when you smoke not drink?

[BillyZaned]

isnt stoned when you smoke not drink?


read the whole convo... I was being saracstic... using examples of what drunk people do, and inserting "stoned".

[CrashNburn]

They are both bad. Your lungs and body don't need smoke and your liver doesn't need alcohol. They both impair you and they both can be addicting. They are both bad. One is not worse than the other and I really could care less if pot was legal. I am against hallucinogens and hard drugs being legal.

this was exactly my point. :up:

[chaseter]

all people i know who blaze, say they drive better when they're high
And I know people that swear that there is a point when they drink that they drive more carefully...those people are idiots.

do you really think, that if pot is legal, alot more people will smoke it? if you want weed, you know where to get it... easier then buying beer IMO...
Do you really think that if pot was legal that there would be a 0% increase in sales or people that use for the first time:huh: If it were legal, I guarantee you that more people would use. I can't say I know the numbers but to say that no more people would try it or buy more because they were already doing so is asinine. There are people that don't use because it is illegal. I am one of those people.

[BillyZaned]

actually, red wine is good for you..... my chollestrol was low (the good stuff) and I drank red wine, one glass a day, and over a year, it went up 15 points... i was at 30, and now it's at 45.... HDL I think...

[CrashNburn]

read the whole convo... I was being saracstic... using examples of what drunk people do, and inserting "stoned".

Why the hell are you trying to make my read..GEEZ!! :wall:.....:oldrazz:

[BillyZaned]

And I know people that swear that there is a point when they drink that they drive more carefully...those people are idiots.


Do you really think that if pot was legal that there would be a 0% increase in sales or people that use for the first time:huh: If it were legal, I guarantee you that more people would use. I can't say I know the numbers but to say that no more people would try it or buy more because they were already doing so is asinine. There are people that don't use because it is illegal. I am one of those people.

I don't think it's going to increase 100%... I see a 30% increase, but not much more then that..... if people want weed right now, then can get it.... the legallity of it is not why people don't do it, it's the cost

[CrashNburn]

maybe people should drive after taking tons of vikes too...they'll drive better, right?

[chaseter]

I don't think it's going to increase 100%... I see a 30% increase, but not much more then that..... if people want weed right now, then can get it.... the legallity of it is not why people don't do it, it's the cost
The cost huh. So if the government regulated it, you think that the cost would not go up? It would be labeled as a sin tax. So, if you want weed to be legal, then you are okay with the rise in costs because it would then be government regulated and therefore taxed. I don't understand your flow of logic.

[Majic Walrus]

well said

Agreed.

Thanks.

do you really think, that if pot is legal, alot more people will smoke it? if you want weed, you know where to get it... easier then buying beer IMO...

This is true. People almost only obey the laws that they choose to obey. It's why people speed and litter, they don't give a ****. People don't believe that pot is "wrong" so they don't obey that law.

I doubt that many people would start smoking weed if it became legal, those people who already smoke pot simply don't care if it is legal or not.

[chaseter]

This is true. People almost only obey the laws that they choose to obey. It's why people speed and litter, they don't give a ****. People don't believe that pot is "wrong" so they don't obey that law.

I doubt that many people would start smoking weed if it became legal, those people who already smoke pot simply don't care if it is legal or not.
Smoke pot in front of a cop. Show them that you don't care that it is illegal:up:

[BillyZaned]

The cost huh. So if the government regulated it, you don't think that the cost would not go up? It would be labeled as a sin tax. So, if you want weed to be legal, then you are okay with the rise in costs because it would then be government regulated and therefore taxed. I don't understand your flow of logic.


Would the cost of weed go up if the government took over... maybe a little bit... supply and demand, but then again, you might not have taken simple economics in HS.... if it's legalized, the amount of weed grown will increase, obviously....

now, will interest in smokiing weed increase, sure it will.... but, it's not like every tom dick and harry is going to go to their local weed store and get some. You will get your standard pot heads, and recraitional smoker buying it..... but how many people do you think is out there, who really wants to smoke weed, but doesn't becaue of the fear of getting caught? Not that many? Like I said, people know where to buy it, but the main factor of them not buying it, is the cost... 40 bucks for a dime bag? That's why I don't do it.... to much money..

Now, the tax that we all the know will be put on top of this.... now, with this tax, I stil ldon't think the cost is going to be more then what it is right now.... a little less....

so you have the people who smoke it now, and then the people who normally can't afford it, doing it.

Now, the people who don't do it because it's illegal.... I don't think there are that many that fall into this category....

lets say it's legalized, I say out of everyone who would smoke, only 10 - 20% are doing it because it's legal... the othe 80% smoked it before

[Master Chief]

Smoke pot in front of a cop. Show them that you don't care that it is illegal:up:

I walked by a courthouse with a few friends taking hits out of a pipe. lol. Here, you just get charged for possession and they pocket your stash.

I don't want dope to get taxed, and think of all the interesting people you would have never met if burning a spliff were as easy as buying a gram at your closest convenience store.

[BillyZaned]

Smoke pot in front of a cop. Show them that you don't care that it is illegal:up:


your really hard headed... that's not the point... you may speed, but you don't do when a cops behind you? You may ignore the law, but it's another thing to rub a cops face in it...

[ObakeTora]

how can you really compare weed and alcohol? they're both worse...but i do loves me some drinks!
I've never thrown up buckets of stomach juice no matter how much bud I smoked, I can excercise on weed, instead of sitting around drunk, and lastly I never woke up with ugly chicks.

[omid17]

And I know people that swear that there is a point when they drink that they drive more carefully...those people are idiots.
I smoked pot through high school, and drove high almost everyday, to this day i still haven't gottin a ticket or accident. Have you even tried it?

[CrashNburn]

but i know people that could say the same about drinking. no matter how much they drink, the dont get sick or a hangover. its kinda irrelavant

[omid17]

but i know people that could say the same about drinking. no matter how much they drink, the dont get sick or a hangover. its kinda irrelavanthave you ever tried it, cause i have tried both, i did the drinking and driving one time, and i ****ing hated it, i smoked and drove for 4 years, i was totally fine it, so stop comparing the two if you have never even tried it

[chaseter]

your really hard headed... that's not the point... you may speed, but you don't do when a cops behind you? You may ignore the law, but it's another thing to rub a cops face in it...
I don't speed because I don't want a ticket:huh: If the law changed and you could go 90 mph, nobody would do so? Everybody that was going 70 will still go 70 but the people that were already going 90 would be the only people doing so?

The moral of the story is, weed and alcohol are fine when used in moderation. Weed and alcohol are bad when not used in moderation. Weed becoming legalized has more benefits than negatives. Some people don't do weed because it is illegal and would therefore then try it or use regularly if it were legal.

[chaseter]

have you ever tried it, cause i have tried both, i did the drinking and driving one time, and i ****ing hated it, i smoked and drove for 4 years, i was totally fine it, so stop comparing the two if you have never even tried it
And stop making blanket statements like saying that smoking weed and driving is better than drinking and driving. Both are idiotic:huh::dry: You may have a high tolerance for weed just like someone may have a high tolerance for alcohol and therefore it barely impairs your abilities. It is stupid to drink and drive and it is stupid to smoke pot and drive. To glamorize that imo is idiotic, no offense. To say one is worse than the other when they are both horribly bad is also idiotic.

I have never smoked pot because it is illegal. I would try it if it were legal. I would not smoke pot and go to work, go to school, or drive around because I think it helps me drive better:dry:

[omid17]

The moral of the story is, weed and alcohol are fine when used in moderation. Weed and alcohol are bad when not used in moderation. Weed becoming legalized has more benefits than negatives. Some people don't do weed because it is illegal and would therefore then try it or use regularly if it were legal.i agree

[Superman]

Pot legalization gains momentum in California

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091008/ap_on_re_us/us_marijuana_legalizationI need to move to California.:yay:

[omid17]

And stop making blanket statements like saying that smoking weed and driving is better than drinking and driving. Both are idiotic:huh::dry: You may have a high tolerance for weed just like someone may have a high tolerance for alcohol and therefore it barely impairs your abilities. It is stupid to drink and drive and it is stupid to smoke pot and drive. To glamorize that imo is idiotic, no offense. To say one is worse than the other when they are both horribly bad is also idiotic.

I have never smoked pot because it is illegal. I would try it if it were legal. I would not smoke pot and go to work, go to school, or drive around because I think it helps me drive better:dry: it's easier to drive being stoned than being drunk, that's all im saying :whatever:

[Superman]

And stop making blanket statements like saying that smoking weed and driving is better than drinking and driving. Both are idiotic:huh::dry: You may have a high tolerance for weed just like someone may have a high tolerance for alcohol and therefore it barely impairs your abilities. It is stupid to drink and drive and it is stupid to smoke pot and drive. To glamorize that imo is idiotic, no offense. To say one is worse than the other when they are both horribly bad is also idiotic.

I have never smoked pot because it is illegal. I would try it if it were legal. I would not smoke pot and go to work, go to school, or drive around because I think it helps me drive better:dry:I have to agree that smoking and driving is stupid and should remain illegal no matter if they legalized it or not.

I love my weed but I NEVER drive while high.

[omid17]

i can get a medical card here, but they're not reliable imo

[ChickenScratch]

Can't wait till it's legal here in NY, if it ever happens.

[Manic]

Want to know how bad the anti-marijuana TV commercials are getting? They've got commercials of kids saying stuff like "When I smoked weed, all I did was sit on my friend Larry's couch. I didn't play basketball. I didn't get a job. I didn't go out and meet any girls. I just sat on Larry's couch."

The message they're trying to convey: If you smoke weed, you'll do nothing with your life.

The message kids will take from it: Smoke weed on days when you have nothing to do.

[CelticPredator]

When I smoke weed, i'm ****ing hyper as hell. I'm running around PLAYING BASKETBALL, or whatever. It's fuuuun.

[moraldeficiency]

And stop making blanket statements like saying that smoking weed and driving is better than drinking and driving. Both are idiotic:huh::dry: You may have a high tolerance for weed just like someone may have a high tolerance for alcohol and therefore it barely impairs your abilities. It is stupid to drink and drive and it is stupid to smoke pot and drive. To glamorize that imo is idiotic, no offense. To say one is worse than the other when they are both horribly bad is also idiotic.

I have never smoked pot because it is illegal. I would try it if it were legal. I would not smoke pot and go to work, go to school, or drive around because I think it helps me drive better:dry:

Actually there are several studies which show what's bad while you drive from drinking alcohol, to the phone to just having the radio on. Yet there is no study which has shown people that are high only on hemp drive any worse (but it does show slower) than someone sober. Check the "should we legalize hemp" thread in politics for the science (posted by me).

I think it's a bad idea to drive high, but it's been proven talking on a cell phone, driving with someone else in the car or having the radio on is worse.

It doesn't help you drive better. So when it's legal again (like it's been for most of this country's history) you'll smoke? That's cool, you'll have a completely different perspective once it happens.





As to when you smoke weed you don't do anything...the fast man one earth and water smoked weed. That 22 year old from africa that figured out how to make a windmill to get power has too. Oh and let's throw in our first president, the inventor of the light bulb and our current president.

[moraldeficiency]

Smoke pot in front of a cop. Show them that you don't care that it is illegal:up:

I smoked pot in front of a DEA agent and with his fiance this weekend. He's about the most anti drug mother ****er on the planet that I've ever met but even he said the idea that pot's illegal is BS. He want's to smoke again and will when it's legal, which he thinks is probable.

[Majic Walrus]

Smoke pot in front of a cop. Show them that you don't care that it is illegal:up:

Well I understand that it is illegal, but that doesn't mean most people do.

[Lasirius]

So that explains that guy that was trying to get me to sign right outside of Walmart, but I just said no without listening to him. I'm gonna have to go back tomorrow.

[omid17]

So that explains that guy that was trying to get me to sign right outside of Walmart, but I just said no without listening to him. I'm gonna have to go back tomorrow.:up:

[SuperFerret]

One more reason why California should fall into the Pacific.

[Manic]

One more reason why California should fall into the Pacific.
Not a fan of the mary-joo-wanna I take it?

[Majic Walrus]

One more reason why California should fall into the Pacific.

Why?

[SuperFerret]

I'm not a fan of anything that not only impairs your own judgement and thought patterns when you use it, but those of the people around you. Plus it smells like burning **** and potheads are some of the most irritating people on the planet.

[Majic Walrus]

I'm not a fan of anything that not only impairs your own judgement and thought patterns when you use it, but those of the people around you. Plus it smells like burning **** and potheads are some of the most irritating people on the planet.

So you're in favor of the prohibition of alcohol as well?

I'm sorry but just because you don't like something doesn't mean that it should be illegal for everyone.

[SuperFerret]

I can't get drunk by being in the same room as someone who's drinking.

[omid17]

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[Carcharodon]

One more reason why California should fall into the Pacific.:whatever:

[The Battousai]

One more reason why California should fall into the Pacific.

Was the first one that pet ferrets aren't legal here? :awesome:

I'm not a fan of anything that not only impairs your own judgement and thought patterns when you use it, but those of the people around you. Plus it smells like burning **** and potheads are some of the most irritating people on the planet.

I'm no user, but I'm not going to stop someone from smoking something that's safer than legal stuff like cigars or cigarettes - not to mention alcohol as Walrus mentioned.

Besides - the boost to the economy, the freed-up space in prisons, and the decreased gang/trafficking activity would be great for the state.

[Carcharodon]

I can't get drunk by being in the same room as someone who's drinking.Oh **** me, do you have any idea what sort of concentration is necessary to get a contact high? I doubt it, based on the level of naivete you're displaying right now. You need to either have:

1) A TON of people smoking in a small area which, by the way, probably wouldn't happen in public places considering California's already uber-strict prohibition on public smoking.

OR

2) You'd need to be in a tiny, tiny room that is not well ventilated by any stretch of the imagination.


I mean seriously, ask the people who have been there: it's harder than HELL to get a contact high unless you're ****ing trying. :down

[SuperFerret]

It's like this. If you smoke pot, I'll look at you as if you were an idiot, because to me, you are.

And being the ******* I am, NOTHING is more fun than pissing idiots off, so even without my huge dislike of any mind-altering chemicals, I'd be against this.

[omid17]

Oh **** me, do you have any idea what sort of concentration is necessary to get a contact high? I doubt it, based on the level of naivete you're displaying right now. You need to either have:

1) A TON of people smoking in a small area which, by the way, probably wouldn't happen in public places considering California's already uber-strict prohibition on public smoking.

OR

2) You'd need to be in a tiny, tiny room that is not well ventilated by any stretch of the imagination.


I mean seriously, ask the people who have been there: it's harder than HELL to get a contact high unless you're ****ing trying. :down:up:
it's even hard getting high doing shotgun

[Carcharodon]

I'm gonna smoke a bowl for you. It's kinda like praying for someone. The only difference is that it actually does one of us some good. :up:

[Carcharodon]

:up:
it's even hard getting high doing shotgunExactly.

[Manic]

Considering you can't smoke in public buildings and marijuana use would probably have the same law alcohol does about not being able to do it outdoors in plain sight (at least it had better), most marijuana users would probably only get high in their own homes.

[SuperFerret]

As long as I'm left alone, I'm happy. I still don't see how impairing yourself is fun. It's moronic and pointless.

[Master Chief]

It's like this. If you smoke pot, I'll look at you as if you were an idiot, because to me, you are.

And being the ******* I am, NOTHING is more fun than pissing idiots off, so even without my huge dislike of any mind-altering chemicals, I'd be against this.

Judgmental much... kind of an ironic thing you've got goin on here. :o What is it about smoking dope that makes one an idiot?

[The Riddler]

They are both bad. Your lungs and body don't need smoke and your liver doesn't need alcohol. They both impair you and they both can be addicting. They are both bad. One is not worse than the other and I really could care less if pot was legal. I am against hallucinogens and hard drugs being legal.

is weed really addicting?

i've smoked weed nearly everyday for a month and when school started i stopped completely for almost 3 months without any adverse effects.

it's not only from personal experience; marijuana does not create physical dependency.

[Carcharodon]

As long as I'm left alone, I'm happy. I still don't see how impairing yourself is fun. It's moronic and pointless.Ever been drunk? How old are you?

[SuperFerret]

No. There's no reason for me to further reduce the parts of my life that I remember.

[Master Chief]

is weed really addicting?

i've smoked weed nearly everyday for a month and when school started i stopped completely for almost 3 months without any adverse effects.

it's not only from personal experience; marijuana does not create physical dependency.

The worst thing that happened to me after binging on chronic was trouble sleeping for a few days. Yep, the negative aspects aren't that severe. Even an overdose simply leads to a splitting headache. :awesome:

[omid17]

The worst thing that happened to me after binging on chronic was trouble sleeping for a few days. Yep, the negative aspects aren't that severe. Even an overdose simply leads to a splitting headache. :awesome:same here

[The Riddler]

As long as I'm left alone, I'm happy. I still don't see how impairing yourself is fun. It's moronic and pointless.

if you've never tried it, don't knock it.

i'll never get the people that only want to get high; but occasionally it's nice.

[Carcharodon]

is weed really addicting?

i've smoked weed nearly everyday for a month and when school started i stopped completely for almost 3 months without any adverse effects.

it's not only from personal experience; marijuana does not create physical dependency.Actually, it can....well, kind of. The potential is there depending upon how much you actually smoke. The "groundwork" for physical dependence exists (via THC receptors in the brain), but it usually never gets to the point of functional dependence.

It's HIGHLY unlikely that a true physical dependence would develop, and even if it did, it would blow over after an incredibly short amount of time.

That is based upon my (limited) knowledge and research.

[The Riddler]

The worst thing that happened to me after binging on chronic was trouble sleeping for a few days. Yep, the negative aspects aren't that severe. Even an overdose simply leads to a splitting headache. :awesome:

really? if i smoke a lot i sleep like a baby.

usually i really mellow out and when i'm high i'm not more physically active than usual.

[Carcharodon]

No. There's no reason for me to further reduce the parts of my life that I remember.Okay. I just had to ask, because this whole "holier-than-thou" complex you have has me intrigued. I mean it would be one thing if you were being a hypocrite. It's another entirely to find out that you're simply ignorant in your judgment of others.

Carry on then. :up:

[Master Chief]

really? if i smoke a lot i sleep like a baby.

usually i really mellow out and when i'm high i'm not more physically active than usual.

Yeah, I couldn't sleep for a few days after stopping the smoking. Nothin like getting stoned, watching TV and passing out. :o

[Manic]

Lay off the Ferret, people. He's a straight-laced person who doesn't smoke or imbibe alcohol. There are a bunch of people like that out there.

That said, as someone who drinks but has a friend who goes around telling people how "straight edge" he is, I need to say that telling people who use a certain substance that you're better than them for not using it makes you look like a jerk, and you should know better.

[Lasirius]

Never had those kind of effects. Just yesterday I was thinking it's been so long the last time I smoked, I didn't realize it was so long.
The only time I got really bad was when I ate 2 brownies...never again!:o

[omid17]

one of the funniest videos ever, cops takes weed home, makes brownies, him and his wife start trippen ballls

Police Officer steals Marijuana.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnZb5wi_jsU

[Poetic Chaos]

I was never a heavy user but I had friends who did regularly and offered. I had a really bad high and freaked out a full year ago. Haven't smoked since.

[Master Chief]

"Time is going by really really really really slow."

LOL classic!

[omid17]

I was never a heavy user but I had friends who did regularly and offered. I had a really bad high and freaked out a full year ago. Haven't smoked since.usually that happens if you smoked way too much, first time, or it was laced

[Lasirius]

"I think we're dying"

Those were exactly my feelings.

[omid17]

"Time is going by really really really really slow."

LOL classic!lol

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Weed is legalized.... here's what happens

creates more jobs....

creates more money for the government because I'm sure it will be taxed....

creates more happyness....

my stock in Doritos skyrockets,


Billyzaned retires on a yacht with 3 playmates... like eating KFC every day, a breast in my mouth, leg in one hand, and a thigh in another....

Bro you are on a roll the past couple of nights.

[Master Chief]

"I think we're dying"

Those were exactly my feelings.

lol I only got like that when I thought my buddy was sprinkling coke in my baggies. And that was after like, 20 bong hits back to back. It was a bad hour of paranoia but I had a damn good sleep afterwards. :o

[Majic Walrus]

Was the first one that pet ferrets aren't legal here? :awesome:



I'm no user, but I'm not going to stop someone from smoking something that's safer than legal stuff like cigars or cigarettes - not to mention alcohol as Walrus mentioned.

Besides - the boost to the economy, the freed-up space in prisons, and the decreased gang/trafficking activity would be great for the state.

Ditto.

[omid17]

lol I only got like that when I thought my buddy was sprinkling coke in my baggies. And that was after like, 20 bong hits back to back. It was a bad hour of paranoia but I had a damn good sleep afterwards. :ohaha nice

[ChickenScratch]

I can't get drunk by being in the same room as someone who's drinking.

You know there's no such thing as a contact high right? One of my friends hangs out with us every time we smoke, and he still gives clean piss to anybody who needs it for a test.

[Lasirius]

lol I only got like that when I thought my buddy was sprinkling coke in my baggies. And that was after like, 20 bong hits back to back. It was a bad hour of paranoia but I had a damn good sleep afterwards. :o


:up: You were lucky. I was so paranoid and felt my heart was going to pump out of my chest, I was more than ready to tell my parents "Take me to the hossspiitaaal!:wow:". Luckily fell asleep but next day I woke up, looked myself in the mirror and looked like a banana, a real nasty one.

[SuperFerret]

You know there's no such thing as a contact high right? One of my friends hangs out with us every time we smoke, and he still gives clean piss to anybody who needs it for a test.

He sounds like a stand up guy.

[Master Chief]

haha nice

:up: I'm done with that much smoking though. Now I'm just gonna take a few tokes every now and again. I put away all my bongs and pipes for good. Too much wastefulness. :doh:

:up: You were lucky. I was so paranoid and felt my heart was going to pump out of my chest, I was more than ready to tell my parents "Take me to the hossspiitaaal!:wow:". Luckily fell asleep but next day I woke up, looked myself in the mirror and looked like a banana, a real nasty one.

Yep, the heart pounding is what usually does it lol. I have intense anxiety to begin with too, and everytime I smoke too much it gets so bad I begin to tremble. blEch. ♫ The goood times are killin mE. ♪

[The Original Bamfer]

I see no harm in legalizing it. It'll become safer, reduce crime and help the economy. And, while it affects people differently, I was far more in control when I was high as compared to when I am drunk.

[chaseter]

is weed really addicting?

i've smoked weed nearly everyday for a month and when school started i stopped completely for almost 3 months without any adverse effects.

it's not only from personal experience; marijuana does not create physical dependency.
Weed has no chemicals in it that are addicting. What it does do is boost seratonin in your brain that makes you feel good. So, your body craves to reach that state again. No it's not addictive like nicotine but your body still can crave it. Some people crave chocolates because it also boosts chemical reactions in your body that make you feel better. It's the same thing. Weed isn't bad but if someone eats 20 bars of chocolate everyday or if someone smokes 20 joints a day then of course they are going to have huge negative effects on their body. It all comes down to will power imo and as I have already mentioned, is fine in moderation.

But, smoking it of course creates smoke and no smoke is healthy for your body. Even if you don't truly inhale, the smoke in the room or the smoke in your mouth can still be absorbed by your body and like all smoking, it's not good for you.

[Master Chief]

Weed has no chemicals in it that are addicting. What it does do is boost seratonin in your brain that makes you feel good. So, your body craves to reach that state again. No it's not addictive like nicotine but your body still can crave it. Some people crave chocolates because it also boosts chemical reactions in your body that make you feel better. It's the same thing. Weed isn't bad but if someone eats 20 bars of chocolate everyday or if someone smokes 20 joints a day then of course they are going to have huge negative effects on their body. It all comes down to will power imo and as I have already mentioned, is fine in moderation.

But, smoking it of course creates smoke and no smoke is healthy for your body. Even if you don't truly inhale, the smoke in the room or the smoke in your mouth can still be absorbed by your body and like all smoking, it's not good for you.

Naw, ganja doesn't affect serotonin. It does do other brain chemical altering shenanigans though.

And the smoke isn't that bad, it's the fact that it's hot smoke entering your lungs. There are healthier ways to intake such as vaporizers and water bongs and the like that cool down the smoke, but yeah, no smoke is the best way.

[chaseter]

Yeah there are healthier ways to do it but the most common are joints. Yes, it does affect seratonin among other things like dopamine and anandamide.

[Master Chief]

hOohSnAp, learn something new everyday then. :D I wish it had a stronger effect, but that's what XTC is for I s'pose.

[Beanjuice]

one state down, 49 to go.

[Bnightwing]

Lay off the Ferret, people. He's a straight-laced person who doesn't smoke or imbibe alcohol. There are a bunch of people like that out there.

That said, as someone who drinks but has a friend who goes around telling people how "straight edge" he is, I need to say that telling people who use a certain substance that you're better than them for not using it makes you look like a jerk, and you should know better.

Maniac is my new favorite poster :D and I don't drink nor smoke yet I am crazy.

[Scar Predator]

As long as I'm left alone, I'm happy. I still don't see how impairing yourself is fun. It's moronic and pointless.

I agree 100%. If a person wants to destroy their brain with alcohol or pot, that is their business but I hate going into a store or to a game and ending up next to a bunch of people that are wasted.

[Beanjuice]

I agree 100%. If a person wants to destroy their brain with alcohol or pot, that is their business but I hate going into a store or to a game and ending up next to a bunch of people that are wasted.


The destroying your brain thing was disproved a long time ago,and i can tell you first hand im no dumber than when i started 4 years ago. But i agree, i hate seeing people out in public acting like asses,and the people that just want to get wasted and act a fool are what ruin it for everyone else. People have been smoking pot for thousands of years and they aint gonna stop anytime soon. If you dont like it,then ignore it,its not your business or your place to pass judgement. If you dont wanna do it, dont do it, but that doesnt mean the people who do are something below you. There are pot smokers who are far more succsessful than any of us ever will be

[SuperFerret]

The destroying your brain thing was disproved a long time ago,and i can tell you first hand im no dumber than when i started 4 years ago. But i agree, i hate seeing people out in public acting like asses,and the people that just want to get wasted and act a fool are what ruin it for everyone else. People have been smoking pot for thousands of years and they aint gonna stop anytime soon. If you dont like it,then ignore it,its not your business or your place to pass judgement. If you dont wanna do it, dont do it, but that doesnt mean the people who do are something below you. There are pot smokers who are far more succsessful than any of us ever will be

There are teenagers far more successful than any of us will ever be. That doesn't mean that they've made the right choices.

[Franklin Richards]

Thank you for telling us what the right choices are.


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[SuperFerret]

How come it's okay to call cigarette smokers dumb for doing what they do, but I'm a jerk for calling pot smokers dumb?

[Ace of Knaves]

I've been smoking cannabis since I was 15. And I'm talking SKUNK. The proper **** straight from Amsterdam. Not weed.

I've never had a bad trip, or schizo'd out, or cause anyone any harm whilst stoned.

But you give me a bottle of Vodka or 8-10 pints of Stella and best believe I'm gonna do something stupid or cause someone else harm.

And that isn't just me.

I've seen countless acts of violence in my time, countless acts of stupidity. How many of those instances were caused by smoking skunk? NONE.

The fact is, if it's ok to go into a store and buy a bottle of Jack Daniels, go home and down it and probably beat the **** out of someone or puke your guts up, why is it NOT ok to go and buy a 8th of hi grade and sit there and watch TV or play computer games and eat junk food?

[Franklin Richards]

Who called them dumb? You? Not me.


I don't smoke but it's none of my business. If you wanna smoke cigarettes at home... go for it. Hell I don't even care if they smoke outside.


My point was you sure are judgemental.


Are you in perfect shape? Do you only eat proper foods? How's your body/fat ratio? Do you eat animals? Do you drink coffee or other caffeinated drinks? Do you live in a large city? How about stress?


Lots of things impair and hurt your body and your choices decide whether that happens or not. Don't be so quick to judge other people's choices.


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[mrvlknight21]

Lay off the Ferret, people. He's a straight-laced person who doesn't smoke or imbibe alcohol. There are a bunch of people like that out there.

That said, as someone who drinks but has a friend who goes around telling people how "straight edge" he is, I need to say that telling people who use a certain substance that you're better than them for not using it makes you look like a jerk, and you should know better.

Thank you for saying this.
I happen to agree with a lot of what Ferret is saying, actually.
His views are pretty straightforward. He isnt claiming to be perfect, but is saying that if you are doing something that has a good chance of altering your mind/perception and/or sending you to jail and/or leading to you doing something you regret...its not very smart.

[LiveWire777]

If it ever gets legalized ima start walking the street w/ this bad boy!!

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n70/live_wire_777/Image008-2.jpg

[StorminNorman]

If it ever gets legalized ima start walking the street w/ this bad boy!!

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n70/live_wire_777/Image008-2.jpg

That would make you a complete tool, congrats :up:

[moraldeficiency]

There are teenagers far more successful than any of us will ever be. That doesn't mean that they've made the right choices.

Isn't that pretty much the defination of making the right or at least better choices?

[Majic Walrus]

That would make you a complete tool, congrats :up:

Something tells me that he's already a complete tool.

How come it's okay to call cigarette smokers dumb for doing what they do, but I'm a jerk for calling pot smokers dumb?

It's totally okay to call anyone dumb for doing anything. However if you want something to be illegal just because you think it's dumb then you're a jerk.

I agree with what MrvlKnight said. I think that people who smoke pot are stupid because they run the risk of being arrested and possibly going to jail. In some cases for a very long time. Doing anything that could get you arrested and put in jail is stupid.

However if it were legalized it would be only as stupid as drinking.

[moraldeficiency]

But everything fun is against the law. Murder is against the law. Lighting midgets on fire and sending them into wood furniture stores is against the law. If I only did what was strictly legal what the hell would I do on the weekends?

[Ace of Knaves]

How could you go to jail for a long time just for possession? More incredibly stupid American laws?

[Lasirius]

Everything in excess is harmful, moderation is the key. By that logic then every food, drink, drug or any other product should be illegal.

[Ace of Knaves]

Well, yea, you're right.

By legalizing weed I don't think anyone is gonna go...

"WOW weeds legal! Let's go buy a 9 bar and smoke the whole lot in a day!"

[Lasirius]

Well, yea, you're right.

By legalizing weed I don't think anyone is gonna go...

"WOW weeds legal! Let's go buy a 9 bar and smoke the whole lot in a day!"

Exactly, but first and foremost people need to be informed before someone does something stupid and spoil the fun for all of us.

[Master Chief]

Plus there'll be age ID check for sure, and it would be nice to stock up on munchies and ask for 2 grams as you're paying. :heart:

[Majic Walrus]

How could you go to jail for a long time just for possession? More incredibly stupid American laws?

Depends on the amount that you have and the location of the arrest. For instance if you get caught with an ounce of weed in a school zone, you're looking and some actual time. If you're caught driving under the influence of a controlled substance during a school zone and you have more than an ounce you could get a Illicit DUI and Possession with intent to distribute. I'm not sure what the laws in each individual state are though, it could be more or less depending on where you are.

[Ace of Knaves]

Ah ok. I was think more along the lines of 8ths and quarters.

If you're walking around with an ounce on ya then well, you're an idiot. There's no need to have an ounce on ya.

[Majic Walrus]

Ah ok. I was think more along the lines of 8ths and quarters.

If you're walking around with an ounce on ya then well, you're an idiot. There's no need to have an ounce on ya.

Yeah. 8ths and quarters aren't too risky, but still most people buy in bulk. If you're coming home from your contacts house through a school zone... you're screwed.

[omid17]

like the poll results :up:

[LiveWire777]

That would make you a complete tool, congrats :up:
thank you :awesome:

[Kelly]

The main reason that I want pot to be legalized is because of crime prevention. Too many people go to jail for minor offenses related to marijuana abuses and end up getting out of jail and move on to harder and harder offenses. The only reason that marijuana is a gateway drug is because it's a gateway to prison.

Legal marijuana would not be dangerous at all. At the very worst it becomes a taxable luxury like cigarettes helps make the government money. At the worst it remains a black market commodity and the number of people in jail for pot problems goes down. We have more room in prisons for dangerous criminals and then when drunk drivers get they actually go to jail instead of being released because the jail is "full up".

I agree with most of this.....but it has to be regulated, and hopefully better than alcohol has been. Hopefully we have learned from that. To say that marijuana is not dangerous at all, is like saying alcohol is not dangerous at all. It does impair you to a certain extent, but if used in a smart way, it can be as enjoyable as a beer on the weekends with friends. Used stupidly, it can kill in the same way that too much beer on the weekends can kill.

As far as the overcrowding of jails because of this.....hell yeah, get those people outta there before they learn how to be real criminals.

[omid17]

I agree with most of this.....but it has to be regulated, and hopefully better than alcohol has been. Hopefully we have learned from that. To say that marijuana is not dangerous at all, is like saying alcohol is not dangerous at all. It does impair you to a certain extent, but if used in a smart way, it can be as enjoyable as a beer on the weekends with friends. Used stupidly, it can kill in the same way that too much beer on the weekends can kill.

As far as the overcrowding of jails because of this.....hell yeah, get those people outta there before they learn how to be real criminals.:up:

[Carcharodon]

Thank you for saying this.
I happen to agree with a lot of what Ferret is saying, actually.
His views are pretty straightforward. He isnt claiming to be perfect, but is saying that if you are doing something that has a good chance of altering your mind/perception and/or sending you to jail and/or leading to you doing something you regret...its not very smart.That's fine. The difference is that you don't come off as a total douche. It makes respecting your opinion that much easier. :up:

[SuperFerret]

It's more fun to come off as a douche. I still think it's stupid regardless.

[SuperFerret]

Isn't that pretty much the defination of making the right or at least better choices?

That depends on what you consider success is.

[Master Chief]

People who get thrown in jail for marijuana are usually doing more than that so... :o

Anyhoo funny story. I was asked to pick up 2 grams. I got it. They were too drunk to meet up with me. LOL. Fat sack for moi. :heart:

[Ace of Knaves]

Heyyoo!! :awesome:

[Kelly]

How could you go to jail for a long time just for possession? More incredibly stupid American laws?

You don't necessarily go to jail for a long time for just possession, usually when that happens its after the 3 strikes law that some states have.

Federal sentencing guidelines take into account not only the amount of marijuana but also past convictions. Not all marijuana convictions require jail time under federal sentencing guidelines, but all are eligible for imprisonment. If convicted and sentenced to jail, a minimum of 85% of that sentence must be served. The higher the marijuana amount, the more likely one is to be sentenced to jail time, as opposed to probation or alternative sentencing. Low-level offenses, even with multiple prior convictions, may end up with probation for the entire sentence of one to 12 months, and no jail time required. Possession of over 1 kg of marijuana with no prior convictions carries a sentence of 6 to 12 months with a possibility of probation and alternative sentencing. Over 2.5 kg with no criminal record carries a sentence of at least 6 months in jail; with multiple prior convictions, a sentence might be up to two years to three years in jail with no chance for probation.

[Thirdworld]

The question is why does the government think they have the right to tell us what we can or can't put into our own bodies.

[Kelly]

I think in the case of this, other drugs, alcohol, etc.....its not just about us.......

Driving while under the influence is just stupid, and unfortunately some cannot make the right decision for themselves....

[Ace of Knaves]

You don't necessarily go to jail for a long time for just possession, usually when that happens its after the 3 strikes law that some states have.

Federal sentencing guidelines take into account not only the amount of marijuana but also past convictions. Not all marijuana convictions require jail time under federal sentencing guidelines, but all are eligible for imprisonment. If convicted and sentenced to jail, a minimum of 85% of that sentence must be served. The higher the marijuana amount, the more likely one is to be sentenced to jail time, as opposed to probation or alternative sentencing. Low-level offenses, even with multiple prior convictions, may end up with probation for the entire sentence of one to 12 months, and no jail time required. Possession of over 1 kg of marijuana with no prior convictions carries a sentence of 6 to 12 months with a possibility of probation and alternative sentencing. Over 2.5 kg with no criminal record carries a sentence of at least 6 months in jail; with multiple prior convictions, a sentence might be up to two years to three years in jail with no chance for probation.

OK cool. That makes sense then.

I just think it would be ridiculous for someone going to jail for having like, an 8th on then or something.

[Thirdworld]

Driving under the influence wasn't really the question though and should certainly be illegal because when you drive OTHER people lives are at stake. If I'm walking down the street smoking a joint or carrying a bag who is at danger?

[Ace of Knaves]

Well yea if it gets legalized it will still be illegal to drive under the influence.

But you're right, a stoner is no harm to anyone.

[Kelly]

Depends.....

Are you just carrying it, or do you have it for sell?

Because even cigarettes sold in that manner is illegal....

Walking down the street smoking a joint, really isn't much of a debate with many. The real debate takes place with motive, age, location, tax, etc.

Walking down the street, is the easy debate.

[omid17]

at the same time it can be used for medicinal use, unlike tobacco and alcohol

[Thirdworld]

We already have the laws that deal with Cigs and Alcohol we can add. Twenty-one to smoke, open areas is fine, no selling to minors ETC.

[Manic]

at the same time it can be used for medicinal use, unlike tobacco and alcohol
Actually, though not used to treat anything in particular, some doctors recommend you drink some wine from time to time for the antioxidants and cardiovascular health. Technically even the hardest of liquors could be beneficial for your heart, though obviously you'd kill yourself first if you tried drinking a bottle of vodka everyday.

So really, tobacco is the only thing with no benefits of use.

[Kelly]

We already have the laws that deal with Cigs and Alcohol we can add. Twenty-one to smoke, open areas is fine, no selling to minors ETC.

I am all for legalizing marijuana....but I want the same laws in place as cigarettes.

I despise the smell of both, and I cannot stand the smell of marijuana.....so I don't want it anywhere near where I eat, drink, or spend time. If someone wants to do it in their own home, and have the smell there....that's fine.

[Spidey-Bat]

Marijuana smoke is also potent. I would be against it being smoked in public.

[CelticPredator]

I am all for legalizing marijuana....but I want the same laws in place as cigarettes.

I despise the smell of both, and I cannot stand the smell of marijuana.....so I don't want it anywhere near where I eat, drink, or spend time. If someone wants to do it in their own home, and have the smell there....that's fine.

Agreed. Keep it out of bars, and resturants. But if someone wants to smoke outside, so be it.

[Ace of Knaves]

Marijuana smoke is also potent. I would be against it being smoked in public.

If you are outside in the open air, what's the problem?

I mean we breath in the fumes of cars and **** knows what else every day.

[omid17]

this is just few

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[CelticPredator]

It totally helps my social anxiety.

[Manic]

I had a funny thought:

Here in California, we're trying to make marijuana legal. If this works and we manage to make marijuana street legal, I can guarantee you we're going to turn against people who smoke pot the same way we turned against cigarette smokers. I can already imagine a group of people sitting outside of a restaurant or cafe, someone gets a whiff of marijuana, and everyone starts shouting at the dude smoking it. "Stop polluting our air, air polluter!"

Because here in California, we want you to have your cake, but you sure as hell won't be able to eat it. Mostly because of the empty carbs.

[Ace of Knaves]

Ehh smoking too much weed makes me unsociable. After I get past that phase of buzzing and being giggly I get too relaxed to even bother speaking.

[Thirdworld]

Marijuana smoke is also potent. I would be against it being smoked in public.
Maybe it was just my experience but having friends in my teen years that smoked both heavily CIG smoke always drowned out the smoke of pot if both were done at same time.

[Ace of Knaves]

I had a funny thought:

Here in California, we're trying to make marijuana legal. If this works and we manage to make marijuana street legal, I can guarantee you we're going to turn against people who smoke pot the same way we turned against cigarette smokers. I can already imagine a group of people sitting outside of a restaurant or cafe, someone gets a whiff of marijuana, and everyone starts shouting at the dude smoking it. "Stop polluting our air, air polluter!"

Because here in California, we want you to have your cake, but you sure as hell won't be able to eat it. Mostly because of the empty carbs.

I'd blow smoke in their faces. :awesome:

[Kelly]

If you are outside in the open air, what's the problem?

I mean we breath in the fumes of cars and **** knows what else every day.


He's not talking about "open air", he's talking about in bars, restaurants, etc.....

I love that my regular pub has gone no cigs, cigars, etc....where people are sitting. That includes outside. I love eating outside with friends, and having someone smoking next to me is disgusting. At most pubs around Houston, you have to go to your car if you want to smoke......that is fine with me. Smoke away from me, and I'm fine with it. Smoke in my face, and you get asked to leave. I have friends that smoke cigars, and I don't really mind the smell of those or pipes, but some people do.....and I can understand that....but cigarettes, and weed make me sick to my stomach, just nasty. A lot of people in my apartments smoke weed, and I walk by there decks while walking my dog and almost throw up. Just yuk....

[Thirdworld]

He's not talking about "open air", he's talking about in bars, restaurants, etc.....

I love that my regular pub has gone no cigs, cigars, etc....where people are sitting. That includes outside. I love eating outside with friends, and having someone smoking next to me is disgusting. At most pubs around Houston, you have to go to your car if you want to smoke......that is fine with me. Smoke away from me, and I'm fine with it. Smoke in my face, and you get asked to leave. I have friends that smoke cigars, and I don't really mind the smell of those or pipes, but some people do.....and I can understand that....but cigarettes, and weed make me sick to my stomach, just nasty.
That's the thing also, if owners of bars allow you to smoke near that's fine and if they want you off the property that's fine also. People are free to go to places more "smoke tolerate" or those with smoke nazis!

[omid17]

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Trachoria Growths

[Ace of Knaves]

He's not talking about "open air", he's talking about in bars, restaurants, etc.....

I love that my regular pub has gone no cigs, cigars, etc....where people are sitting. That includes outside. I love eating outside with friends, and having someone smoking next to me is disgusting. At most pubs around Houston, you have to go to your car if you want to smoke......that is fine with me. Smoke away from me, and I'm fine with it. Smoke in my face, and you get asked to leave. I have friends that smoke cigars, and I don't really mind the smell of those or pipes, but some people do.....and I can understand that....but cigarettes, and weed make me sick to my stomach, just nasty.

Ahh I see.

Even as a smoker I ****ing HATE when someone smokes near me whilst I'm eating.

But I'll be honest, if I'm outside in the beer garden having a smoke, and someone comes out, starts eating outside, and they tell me to go smoke somewhere else I ain't moving. But obviously I won't smoke over them or near them. But I don't see why I should vacate the property just because they wanna eat outside.

Beer gardens are there for people who smoke but still want to stay in the pub. Not just people who want to eat outside.

[Kelly]

That's the thing also, if owners of bars allow you to smoke near that's fine and if they want you off the property that's fine also. People are free to go to places more "smoke tolerate" or those with smoke nazis!


Only smoking bars around Houston have found that they have lost money banning smoking.....but even those haven't lost as much money as they thought. Sports bars etc, are doing just fine with the no smoking laws......

Breathing that **** is disgusting, and since there are numerous studies that show it is unhealthy to those breathing it, as well as those smoking.......I'm fine with those that don't mind killing themselves smoking, but its not their right to screw with my health while doing it.

[Paradoxium]

I hate it when someone ruins a nice patio evening with teh smokes.

I also hate it, when a great girl I develop incredible rapport with, and she pulls teh smokes.

[Superman]

I think the law should be more like the laws on alcohol.

Smoke and drive, Go to jail.

I smoke weed alot but I NEVER drive after smoking. I get done what I need to do with the car first, Then after everything is done and I have nothing to do but watch TV, That's when I smoke.

[Thirdworld]

Only smoking bars around Houston have found that they have lost money banning smoking.....but even those haven't lost as much money as they thought. Sports bars etc, are doing just fine with the no smoking laws......

Breathing that **** is disgusting, and since there are numerous studies that show it is unhealthy to those breathing it, as well as those smoking.......I'm fine with those that don't mind killing themselves smoking, but its not their right to screw with my health while doing it.
That's fine and good I don't like breathing in CIG smoke either. However it is my choice to voluntarily go to privately owned places that allow it (outside now) or not.

[Ace of Knaves]

Yep. That's what I do. Have dinner, watch a bit of TV or a movie whilst bunnin a beenie. :up: Then off to bed

[omid17]

smoke shops will make a gang of money if it's legalized think about all the pieces they would be selling everyday

[Ace of Knaves]

Ehh i don't really use any paraphernalia anymore. Used to do bongs and stuff like that, but I just smoke em with good old fashioned king skins now :D

[omid17]

Ehh i don't really use any paraphernalia anymore. Used to do bongs and stuff like that, but I just smoke em with good old fashioned king skins now :Dmy friends called me Gravatron cause i did out gravaty every day :woot:

[CelticPredator]

I think the law should be more like the laws on alcohol.

Smoke and drive, Go to jail.

I smoke weed alot but I NEVER drive after smoking. I get done what I need to do with the car first, Then after everything is done and I have nothing to do but watch TV, That's when I smoke.

People drive fine whilst stoned. I've been with many many people high in a car, and none of them crashed or anything....heck, a cop gave my friend a sober test, and he passed. Yet was stoned out of his mind.

[Ace of Knaves]

It does slow your reactions down though.

Just a bit of bad luck, someone pulls out in front of ya, too slow to react, game over.

[CelticPredator]

True. But it's not as bad as booze.

[Ace of Knaves]

Oh yea no way.

[Kelly]

People drive fine whilst stoned. I've been with many many people high in a car, and none of them crashed or anything....heck, a cop gave my friend a sober test, and he passed. Yet was stoned out of his mind.


And all I can say about that is......that is a very stupid thing for you to do.

[CelticPredator]

Ok. I'll just stay where ever I am, and hope someone picks me up?

No....it's really not that bad. Have you drove with someone high before?

[Manic]

Take a cab or catch the bus. Even drunks found methods of getting around without driving.

[Kelly]

Yes, I was 15, and my cousin who was 16 was with friends, smoking pot at the lake. Had I been smarter, I would have called family to come pick me up.....but I wasn't smart.

I also sang at the funeral of 2 17 year olds that were killed in a car accident, after both had been smoking at their friends house. One of them was cut in half.....from the impact. Thankfully the person in the other car did not die. Had he been smarter, he probably would have called family or friends to come get him as well.

Getting in the car with someone under the influence is STUPID, no matter how you look at it. And that would not change had I NEVER been in a car with someone smoking pot. Stupid is stupid.

[Paradoxium]

They had cars back in those days :wow:




... I kiid I kid :woot:

[Kelly]

hahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.......

absolutely....

[Fading]

I'm for the legalizing of pot as I've said once or twice before in this thread, but driving while impared by any substance is stupid, and endangers you and anyone else on the road. I don't want to sound like an after school special, but ppl always say there's no harm in it, then get in an accident and wished they would have wised up earlier. A perfectly sober, excellent driver can have a wreck, smoking/drinking and driving 10 mins later is asking for someone to get hurt or die. Mindsets like that are why so many ppl have wrecks drunk driving. A person may think they're ok to drive, but is it fair to bet someone else's life on that?

BTW I haven't lost anyone to this, if I came off strong it's because ppl willingly doing something selfish and stupid that risks the lives of themselves and others pisses me off.

[Ace of Knaves]

Yes, I was 15, and my cousin who was 16 was with friends, smoking pot at the lake. Had I been smarter, I would have called family to come pick me up.....but I wasn't smart.

I also sang at the funeral of 2 17 year olds that were killed in a car accident, after both had been smoking at their friends house. One of them was cut in half.....from the impact. Thankfully the person in the other car did not die. Had he been smarter, he probably would have called family or friends to come get him as well.

Getting in the car with someone under the influence is STUPID, no matter how you look at it. And that would not change had I NEVER been in a car with someone smoking pot. Stupid is stupid.

How do you know them being stoned had any real effect on the crash though?

[Kelly]

I believe the coroner pretty much made that assessment, along with the numerous eye witnesses.

Wow, you really just asked that question.........amazing.

[Marx]

No question or comment really surprises me when it comes from Ace. :oldrazz:

[Kelly]

true....

[Ace of Knaves]

I believe the coroner pretty much made that assessment, along with the n

umerous eye witnesses.

Wow, you really just asked that question.........amazing.

What? It's a valid question.

So because someone has a crash and they are stoned, it HAS to be because they were stoned? Is that what you are saying?

No other reason for the crash? It wasn't just bad luck? It wasn't the other drivers fault? It wasn't a divet in the road? It wasn't a bunch of other common cause for crashes? It DEFINITELY was JUST because they were stoned?

Wow, and you're trying to make out I'm stupid.

[Matt]

There are clinical studies that prove being high can impair your driving. While it may not have been the reason for the crash, being clean may have improved his reflexes or response times and saved his life.

[Ace of Knaves]

Oh I'm not denying that. I even mentioned in a post earlier that it does effect your reactions.

But to automatically assume a crash happened JUST because they were stoned is pretty ignorant I think.

Sure it might have been because they were stoned. But to be like "They crashed because they were stoned, no doubt, 100%, no question" is well, stupid.

[Kelly]

What? It's a valid question.

So because someone has a crash and they are stoned, it HAS to be because they were stoned? Is that what you are saying?

No other reason for the crash? It wasn't just bad luck? It wasn't the other drivers fault? It wasn't a divet in the road? It wasn't a bunch of other common cause for crashes? It DEFINITELY was JUST because they were stoned?

Wow, and you're trying to make out I'm stupid.

No, the investigation of the crash, ruled that it was the fault of the teen driving, and that his DUI was a cause. Apparently the courts thought so as well, because the guy in the other car got a hell of a settlement out of it.

Pretty sad all the way around.

Most car crashes where alcohol, drugs, etc were a part of it......are usually found to be a contributing factor. Not a major question there....

I think my shock is that you are actually trying to debate whether it is dumb or not to drive under the influence...and I just don't see the room for debate. It is stupid to drive under the influence. Plain and simple. No debate, it is dumb.

[Ace of Knaves]

No, the investigation of the crash, ruled that it was the fault of the teen driving, and that his DUI was a cause. Apparently the courts thought so as well, because the guy in the other car got a hell of a settlement out of it.

Pretty sad all the way around.

Most car crashes where alcohol, drugs, etc were a part of it......are usually found to be a contributing factor. Not a major question there....

I think my shock is that you are actually trying to debate whether it is dumb or not to drive under the influence...and I just don't see the room for debate. It is stupid to drive under the influence. Plain and simple. No debate, it is dumb.

Huh? When did I ever question that? I didn't. I DO think it is dumb to drive under the influence. Way to jump to conclusions just coz you don't like me.

I was just asking because I thought you was just ASSUMING they crashed JUST because they were stoned. That's all.

[Marx]

Drugs and alcohol are ALWAYS contributing factors whenever they are involved.

[Ace of Knaves]

You can't be 100% certain of that I don't think.

As I said, it could just be bad luck, a divet in the road, another arsehole driver pulling out in front of and not looking, a fault with the car.

Those sorta things don't care if you are sober as a judge or pissed/stoned out of your trolly.

[Manic]

Oh, for god's sake. Don't use stuff that makes your brain function noticably differently from normal and then drive. That means alcohol, weed, cough syrup. I've even heard that it might not be a good idea to consume caffeine and drive at the same time if caffeine gives you that certain rush that changes the way you react to stuff.

[Master Chief]

The impairment can still factor in though. Mayhaps if a driver were sober he would have been more focused and his reaction time would have been quicker and blah blah blah, you can never be 100% certain of anything but being impaired leaves you more prone to an accident.

[Ace of Knaves]

What if there was this guy, stoned up, driving down the road, all of a sudden his wheels fall off, he crashes and dies.

But wait! He was stoned! That MUST factor into the crash!

...no.

Again I'm not saying driving whilst impaired is right, I'm saying it's ****ing stupid. The example I gave is extreme I know, but some people I imagine do think like that. And they are, well, to put it lightly, wrong.

[Marx]

...:dry:

[Ace of Knaves]

Ok what about this one.

A guy stoned up, driving down the road, a trucker pulls out in front of him, there is no way on earth he could stop in time, stoned or not. He crashes and dies.

But wait! He was stoned, that MUST factor into the crash!

That's what you guys are basically saying.

[Manic]

What if there was this guy, stoned up, driving down the road, all of a sudden his wheels fall off, he crashes and dies.
Then the cause of death would be put down to the car. The most recent automechanic who worked on the car would be investigated, and would likely be put on trial for negligent homicide.

But if a stoned driver doesn't notice something in the road, then it'll likely be put down to driving under the influence.

[Manic]

Ok what about this one.

A guy stoned up, driving down the road, a trucker pulls out in front of him, there is no way on earth he could stop in time, stoned or not. He crashes and dies.

But wait! He was stoned, that MUST factor into the crash!

That's what you guys are basically saying.
The trucker's lawyer would sure as hell play that card.

[Ace of Knaves]

That doesn't mean it's right though.

[Master Chief]

What if there was this guy, stoned up, driving down the road, all of a sudden his wheels fall off, he crashes and dies.

But wait! He was stoned! That MUST factor into the crash!

...no.

Again I'm not saying driving whilst impaired is right, I'm saying it's ****ing stupid. The example I gave is extreme I know, but some people I imagine do think like that. And they are, well, to put it lightly, wrong.

Lashing out at the wrong people dude. :o There are people with heads that thick, but most of the time in collisions with intoxicated drivers it is because they were impaired. There could be that one in a million bad timing chance that they're baked and get blindsided by a trucker in the same night, but really, an accident is an accident and more often than not if an impaired person involved were sober, it may not have happened.

[Ace of Knaves]

Hey I'm not lashing out man.

[Master Chief]

Exaggeration. Vibes of disdain. :doh:

[Kelly]

You can't be 100% certain of that I don't think.

As I said, it could just be bad luck, a divet in the road, another arsehole driver pulling out in front of and not looking, a fault with the car.

Those sorta things don't care if you are sober as a judge or pissed/stoned out of your trolly.

What if there was this guy, stoned up, driving down the road, all of a sudden his wheels fall off, he crashes and dies.

But wait! He was stoned! That MUST factor into the crash!

...no.

Again I'm not saying driving whilst impaired is right, I'm saying it's ****ing stupid. The example I gave is extreme I know, but some people I imagine do think like that. And they are, well, to put it lightly, wrong.

Ok what about this one.

A guy stoned up, driving down the road, a trucker pulls out in front of him, there is no way on earth he could stop in time, stoned or not. He crashes and dies.

But wait! He was stoned, that MUST factor into the crash!

That's what you guys are basically saying.

That doesn't mean it's right though.


No, that is not what we are basically saying.....

Plain and simple fact......driving while under the influence is stupid. What part of that do you not get?

You can give 1,000 "what if" scenarios....and its not going to change the fact that it is stupid to do that stuff and drive.

Smoke all the weed you want, most are cool with that, but drive after smoking it, and you are not cool, under control, or ok....you are just stupid, and you have upped your percentage of being in an accident and killing yourself or someone else. Is it really that important to try and come up with some off the wall scenario that your accident, MIGHT be someone else's fault?

I'm mean really? is it? or is it important to simply make the decision to not drive, or get in the car with someone under the influence..... that is such a no brainer.

[Ace of Knaves]

Again...you fail to realize I'm not defending it. I already said I think it's stupid to drive under the influence, I'm just playing devils advocate.

[Kelly]

*sighs*.....there is no "other" side to look at Ace.

This is one of those things that is just not debatable....arguing just to argue is time consuming, and wasteful use of time.

And you CERTAINLY do not want to debate it in a court of law....

[Ace of Knaves]

All I'm saying is whilst I completely disagree with it, I'm not the sort of person to go "Ahhhh, it must of been the drugs that caused them to crash" after hearing of a car accident or whatever involving someone who was stoned. I'm not gonna automatically assume that. There's obviously a good chance it was the reason, but if I don't 100% know, I'm not gonna say it was.

My original question to you was simply because I thought you were just assuming that. I didn't know you actually knew it was the drugs that made them crash.

[Kelly]

All I'm saying is whilst I completely disagree with it, I'm not the sort of person to go "Ahhhh, it must of been the drugs that caused them to crash" after hearing of a car accident or whatever involving someone who was stoned. I'm not gonna automatically assume that. There's obviously a good chance it was the reason, but if I don't 100% know, I'm not gonna say it was.

My original question to you was simply because I thought you were just assuming that. I didn't know you actually knew it was the drugs that made them crash.

Ace, you should know by now........I never ass-u-me anything......:cwink:

[Manic]

Again...you fail to realize I'm not defending it. I already said I think it's stupid to drive under the influence, I'm just playing devils advocate.
This conversation should've ended here. The fact that you guys are going on about it is just sad.

[Kelly]

Wow, yeah, a whole 4 posts......just terrible, and sad, and horribly wasteful of space on this forum.......

Whatever will we do? We should just throw ourselves off of the e-cliff, never to be heard from again.....

Oh the ugliness of it all............


*insert sarcasm, wherever needed.....*

[Ace of Knaves]

As that mobile phone advert from years ago said...

It's good to talk

:awesome:

[Carcharodon]

So really, tobacco is the only thing with no benefits of use.Not true.

[Manic]

There are benefits to tobacco?

*leans forward attentively*

[Carcharodon]

Marijuana smoke is also potent. I would be against it being smoked in public.Potent in its smell, or potent in its ability to give a "contact high?"

If it's the latter, we've already had this discussion: those of us who smoke or are around the smoke know that it's virtually impossible to get a contact high unless you're in a very, very enclosed space with poor ventilation.

Outdoors it's virtually impossible.

So are you speaking from experience, or are you talking out of your ass like the last poster who made that assertion? Again, I'm asking this question assuming you meant the latter interpretation.

[Carcharodon]

There are benefits to tobacco?

*leans forward attentively*Nicotine can help improve short-term brain function and may have applications in helping Alzheimer's patients. Don't get me wrong, tobacco is horrible for you, but there are minor effects that may prove beneficial in light of other existing ailments.

[Master Chief]

Tobacco isn't even that bad, it's all the **** they add to it.

[Superman]

Ehh i don't really use any paraphernalia anymore. Used to do bongs and stuff like that, but I just smoke em with good old fashioned king skins now :DNot me, Smoking joints is a waste of weed IMO. While you are sitting there holding the hit the joint is still burning away.

I can take the same amount of weed that you put in a joint that might last 15 mins and put it in a bowl and make it last all night.:woot:

[Superman]

People drive fine whilst stoned. I've been with many many people high in a car, and none of them crashed or anything....heck, a cop gave my friend a sober test, and he passed. Yet was stoned out of his mind.You can say the same thing about people who drink and drive but that still doesn't make it right.

[Spidey-Bat]

Potent in its smell, or potent in its ability to give a "contact high?"

If it's the latter, we've already had this discussion: those of us who smoke or are around the smoke know that it's virtually impossible to get a contact high unless you're in a very, very enclosed space with poor ventilation.

Outdoors it's virtually impossible.

So are you speaking from experience, or are you talking out of your ass like the last poster who made that assertion? Again, I'm asking this question assuming you meant the latter interpretation.

From experience

[Carcharodon]

From experienceI find that a little hard to believe, but do you care to elaborate?

The reason I ask, and the reason I find it hard to believe, is that it requires a rather large concentration of smoke to give somebody a contact high. I have never, ever heard of somebody getting a contact high outdoors, and doubt strongly the possibility of such an occurrence.

[Master Chief]

Outside it would be impossible to get a second-hand buzz. I wish bud that potent was floating around. Regardless, good ol' hydro is just fine for me. :heart: If anything it's just a placebo effect.

[omid17]

New Federal Medical Marijuana Policy Issued

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_medical_marijuana

WASHINGTON – The Obama administration will not seek to arrest medical marijuana users and suppliers as long as they conform to state laws, under new policy guidelines to be sent to federal prosecutors Monday.

Two Justice Department officials described the new policy to The Associated Press, saying prosecutors will be told it is not a good use of their time to arrest people who use or provide medical marijuana in strict compliance with state laws.


The new policy is a significant departure from the Bush administration, which insisted it would continue to enforce federal anti-pot laws regardless of state codes.




"This is a major step forward," said Bruce Mirken, communications director for the Marijuana Policy Project. "This change in policy moves the federal government dramatically toward respecting scientific and practical reality."

[MessiahDecoy123]

This is huge.

Obama rocks.

[Kelly]

This has been in the pipeline for quite awhile.....it just took time to get all of the ducks in a row, and make sure that the guidelines fell into federal law.

[Ace of Knaves]

Not me, Smoking joints is a waste of weed IMO. While you are sitting there holding the hit the joint is still burning away.

I can take the same amount of weed that you put in a joint that might last 15 mins and put it in a bowl and make it last all night.:woot:

Ehhh not the way I smoke joints :D I don't sit there at let it burn away. In fact I moan at people for doing that.

I just find it more enjoyable kicking back and having a little bun. And you can't savour the flavour doing it that way either.

Maybe with puff (solid, resin) or actual weed, but with proper, sticky skunk? No way man that's gotta be savoured :awesome:

And yea, it's impossible to get stoned from second hand smoke outside. Maybe if you was in a bonged out room, but not out in open air. Literally IMPOSSIBLE.

[moraldeficiency]

Knew this was coming, once a state makes something ok and refuses to help feds on an operation that operation will be dropped. I hope the other states are paying attention.

[Nivek]

Awesome, a big step to shaking off the Dogma around Pot and making things easier for people who actually need it to get it. Hopefully, L.E. can put some energy into going after other Drug Suppliers who are a threat to the populace.

[MessiahDecoy123]

This news deserves its own thread. Obama basically decriminalized weed for medicinal purposes in certain states.

I hope California legalizes it for recreational use too.

[metr0man]

New Federal Medical Marijuana Policy Issued

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_medical_marijuana



Good move. Conservatives should be happy too, since it gives the right of decision for this issue back to the state.

That is, fiscal/governmental convervates should be happy.

[Kelly]

*raises hand* that would be me, and yes I am happy.

[Handsome Rob]

Good move. Conservatives should be happy too, since it gives the right of decision for this issue back to the state.

That is, fiscal/governmental convervates should be happy.

Some social conservatives will be happy too, if they think about it. I'm one of them. It should be legalized, although I'd never touch the stuff myself.

[Marx]

MARIJUANA 'CAFE' OPENS IN PORTLAND
http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSTRE5AD06O20091114?feedType=RSS&feedName=domesticNews

[Johnny Drama]

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[omid17]

^ :up:
MARIJUANA 'CAFE' OPENS IN PORTLAND
http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSTRE5AD06O20091114?feedType=RSS&feedName=domesticNewsawesome :up:

[Handsome Rob]

136 strong....

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Make it 137. I realized I hadn't voted, yet.

[MessiahDecoy123]

Study suggest weed eases Post-Traumatic-Stress disorder (PTSD).

http://health.msn.com/health-topics/addiction/articlepage.aspx?cp-documentid=100249166&GT1=31036

How many reasons do we need to legalize this stuff?

[Nivek]

A lot more. The powers that be have spent 90 years demonizing it by grouping it with Coke, Meth, Crack, Heroin, etc. But I can go buy a 5th of Jack with no problem, even though alcohol messes more people up daily.

[Ace of Knaves]

I hate it when people say people who smoke weed are stupid or junkies.

So someone who drinks alcohol is automatically an alcoholic?

That's basically what they are saying.

[Nivek]

Just more ignorance from the 30% that has never done it.

[Kelly]

lol, must we post the results.....ya know, people can find out for themselves....

[Kelly]

I hate it when people say people who smoke weed are stupid or junkies.

So someone who drinks alcohol is automatically an alcoholic?

That's basically what they are saying.


I agree to a certain extent, but the fact is.....if your family is prone to obsessive, compulsive tendencies, alcohol, overeating, drug use, etc can be a ticking time bomb....

My father was a drug user, and an alcoholic, my younger 1/2 sister fell into the same trap....my sister and I keep a VERY STRONG handle on our alcohol use. My sister has pretty much stopped completely, she had a time years ago where she found herself falling into alcoholic type tendencies. We have to watch those things, and unfortunately you have MANY, that do not........and usually the ones that are alcoholics are seen as social drinkers, and they are excellent at covering up.....no reason to think this can't happen with other things, and probably does.

NOW, does that mean you outlaw the use of alcohol and not legalize marijuana? No, but to think that there won't be some that will begin to use marijuana and abuse it because it is legal, and had never used it before.....is naive. It will happen, and people need to understand that.

There is going to be a good amount of negative that comes from legalizing marijuana, just as there has been with the legalization of alcohol.......that's guaranteed.

[Ace of Knaves]

Oh yea I'm not denying that Kel.

But I'm talking about the stigma attached to "stoners". Smoking weed does not make you a junkie. A junkie is a crack head who robs people for their next fix. Who disregards everything and everyone else for their next fix. I've never know ANYONE who smokes weed who would do something like that.

I wouldn't see a woman drinking a glass of wine or a bloke drinking a pint of beer and go "You alchy!". So people shouldn't see (or smell :D) someone smoking a spliff and go "You junkie!"

What I'm trying to say is, smoking a spliff is exactly the same as drinking a beer.

[Kelly]

Oh yea I'm not denying that Kel.

But I'm talking about the stigma attached to "stoners". Smoking weed does not make you a junkie. A junkie is a crack head who robs people for their next fix. Who disregards everything and everyone else for their next fix. I've never know ANYONE who smokes weed who would do something like that.

I wouldn't see a woman drinking a glass of wine or a bloke drinking a pint of beer and go "You alchy!". So people shouldn't see (or smell :D) someone smoking a spliff and go "You junkie!"

lol, well here's the thing. People I label as "stoners" are just that, they have absolutely no effective impact on society. Do I label my friends that are social smokers, as in at a party here and there? no.....

The thing is, marijuana will have a longer, and harder road than alcohol did. Because for the most part Alcohol was socially acceptable, Marijuana isn't...so be ready, if it is legalized that is barrier it will have to overcome, and it will take much longer than alcohol did. That's just reality...

BTW, when I smell marijuana, I don't think anything other than...."I'm about to vomit". Because that what it makes me feel like when I smell it...

[Ace of Knaves]

You've been smelling some ****** weed then :D

[Kelly]

I've smelled all kinds, and none of them set well with my stomach...

I can assure you, my friends can afford the best, and buy the best....but even the best turns my stomach.