Discussion: Legalizing Marijuana

[The Lumberjack]

For it or against it? Use it or not? Any opinions other than those differing from mine are appreciated.

[GunBlade]

Against but you're an adult and it's your choice so whatever.

[MaskedManJRK]

I guess for it--I probably wouldn't mind trying it, and I really don't see why it's illegal, but I'm not, like, very adament in the right to smoke pot.

[Babs Gordon]

I'm for legalizing it. I partake in it once every few months or so. It's fun to do with friends.

I'm especially for legalizing it for medicinal purposes everywhere. I've known a few cancer patients where they are in constant pain and marijuana is the only thing that can provide relief.

Legalizing it also grants the government better control over the substance like alcohol and tobacco. They can also tax the hell out of it if they choose.

[Master Chief]

Marijuana = Alcohol - nausea.

So. Yeah, I'm for it. Don't see why people see it as a gateway drug or super dangerous.

I smoked up last night and wandered around trying not to shake from the cold. :dry:

[Badger]

I'm for legalizing it as well. Used to partake quite a bit in my younger days, don't anymore. Health wise in no worse than tobacco and impairement wise it's no worse than alcohol. Plus like Babs said more good comes from it being legal than not, and the government can certainly use the tax to lessen the tax burden on other things.

[The Lumberjack]

I think it's why I just now remembered I've been here for 4 years. It may also be the cause of me being here 4 years.:confused:

[CyberFaust]

i'm for it, never tried it, probably never will (i'm not one to inhale smoke, ewww), but i can't see why it should be illegal

[black_dust]

Hmmmmm i dont know i use to smoke it then i suddenly stopped and i dont see my self redoing it, as i like my brain function and lung capacity and all....

[Gonking]

legalize it mother******!!!!!

http://www.time-is-fun.com/huge-joint-101.jpg

[thedeadite]

i don't smoke it anymore, but don't see why it shouldn't be as legal as tabacco or alcohol, both do just as much damage (if not more) and there are plenty of other substances out there that are both physically damaging and addictive (ie caffeinne) that are perfectly legal.

[jaguarr]

For it or against it? Use it or not? Any opinions other than those differing from mine are appreciated.

Damn, dude. Where the hell have you been? Good to see you here.

jag

[terry78]

Smoked a couple times in the past, not really all that into it. Same with alcohol. But legalizing it, I'm fine with. I think people feel that if you don't do it, suddenly you're against it, but that's not the case.

[Mr. Smash'n Bash]

The only drug I know of that you can't overdose on so legalize all the way. :o

[deemar325]

I'm not against it's use just not while your working.

[Fledermaus]

I'm for it.

[deemar325]

The government should go ahead and legalize it.



Sugar coated christmas trees for everybody!

[Sloth7d]

I really have no opinion on the subject.
For the most part I wouldn't care if the government legalized it. Atleast that would lower the street violence some.

[AndThePickles]

I'm for it.

[Spider-Girl™]

legalize it mother******!!!!!

http://www.time-is-fun.com/huge-joint-101.jpg

Since no one else said anything...."Holy ^%u$!" I bet he passed out right after that one.

[mrvlknight21]

100% against it.

[Tyrinus]

Never used it, and have no desire too either. I don't see why they couldn't manage to extract the beneficial aspects of it and put it in a pill though. I'm also for legalizing it and taxing the hell out of it, but making it illegal to use in public places.

[Mr. Smash'n Bash]

100% against it.

why?

[Orko Is King]

Good and good for you!:up:

[C. Lee]

Don't use it and never have....see no reason to voluntarily breath in any kind of smoke...I like my lungs.

[DorkyFresh]

- a plant that grows in every country in the world that's not barren or covered in ice.
- was prematurely made illegal in the US without a proper study on it's effects and uses.
- is known to reduce physical pain, mental stress, and induce appetite (aka munchies) for people who have nausea.
- was/is used to create stronger plastics, ropes, clothes, building materials, and paper (helps save trees).
- a safer, less harmful, potentially more productive substance (a stimulant) than alcohol (a depressant).
- is or was at one time smoked by some of the world's most positive influential figures (Bruce Lee, Carl Sagan, JFK, Shakespeare).
- legalization would mean demand for more farmers, which are a dying breed.
- legalization would simultaneously lower crime rate and boost American economy.
- legalization could simultaneously create an environmentally friendly replacement for gas, as well as end America's dependence on foreign oil.

i'm sure there would be repercussions if hemp where ever legalized but i think the positives heavily outweigh the negatives.

[Mr. Smash'n Bash]

Mmm dying bread.

[DorkyFresh]

lol. fixed....gimme a break, i'm late and it's lit. hehe

[Mr. Smash'n Bash]

Food on the brain I see.

[DorkyFresh]

i need some pizza, funions, and some marshmellows for me to make some smores with, man! yeahh....fully!

[Fledermaus]

And some of that s#it we used to eat all the time back in the day. What was it?
And I gotta say, DorkyFresh, your user name is tits. :up:

[DorkyFresh]

And some of that s#it we used to eat all the time back in the day. What was it?
And I gotta say, DorkyFresh, your user name is tits. :up:

lol, tanks...my lady friend gave me this name. hers was geeky fresh...

[mrvlknight21]

why?

First and foremost it is illegal.
Secondly, I have never seen anything good come from it, but plenty of bad (same for alcohol and all other drugs).
I have plenty of more, but those 2 should be enough.

[Kritish]

For it or against it? Use it or not? Any opinions other than those differing from mine are appreciated.

Don't you have AIDS? It doesn't matter for you, I'd start chain smoking if I were you.

[Apollo]

against it. It makes people act like idiots.

[Mr. Smash'n Bash]

First and foremost it is illegal.
Secondly, I have never seen anything good come from it, but plenty of bad (same for alcohol and all other drugs).
I have plenty of more, but those 2 should be enough.

Um .. what?

[Movies205]

For it or against it? Use it or not? Any opinions other than those differing from mine are appreciated.

Marijuana isn't bad, but it something a lot of people like to lose themselves into. It's something that every person has to judge for themselves, I mean I've seen people completely stop caring and just become useless, and others do it profusely and it doesn't affect that at all. And of course, it is a gateway drug, it does indeed to lead to many more potent and harmful drugs.

[Mr. Smash'n Bash]

I'd have to say that Marijuana is NOT a gate way drug. If you want to call anything that it should either be Alcohol or Cigarettes because the majority of people out there do either one or both of those before they ever consume Marijuana.

[Joe Kerr]

i'm all for it...

[DorkyFresh]

First and foremost it is illegal.
things change buddy. not everything that is illegal SHOULD be illegal. there's a law right now, in my city, that states that it's illegal to have sex in any other position than missionary....does that mean it should be illegal for me to be to make love to my girl anyway i want?

First and foremost it is illegal.
Secondly, I have never seen anything good come from it, but plenty of bad (same for alcohol and all other drugs).
sorry you've never seen anything good come of it. i think that if you were to look at hemp with eyes open, instead of eyes closed, you would THEN see what good it can do. i didn't post in this thread to tell lies about the plant, but if you don't want to see something you never WILL see it...

[blind_fury]

Marijuana isn't bad, but it something a lot of people like to lose themselves into. It's something that every person has to judge for themselves, I mean I've seen people completely stop caring and just become useless, and others do it profusely and it doesn't affect that at all. And of course, it is a gateway drug, it does indeed to lead to many more potent and harmful drugs.
If it was legal it wouldn't be a gateway drug any more than alcohol.

Hard drug use went down when soft drugs were legalized in Amsterdam.

[DorkyFresh]

Marijuana isn't bad, but it something a lot of people like to lose themselves into. It's something that every person has to judge for themselves, I mean I've seen people completely stop caring and just become useless, and others do it profusely and it doesn't affect that at all. And of course, it is a gateway drug, it does indeed to lead to many more potent and harmful drugs.
the 'problems' that people have with marijuana are problems that people had with themselves BEFORE they started smoking marijuana. if you lead a lazy life, once you smoke marijuana you'll still be lazy. if you're pro-active, once you smoke marijuana you'll just be high at the same time. abusers have problems with their mentality that would be there regardless of their use of the plant.

as far as it being a gateway drug...that's utter BS. smoking weed doesn't make someone wanna go stick a needle in their arm or put powder up their nose. most of the time it just makes them wanna eat...

[lordofthenerds]

I'm pretty neutral on this one. I never plan to use it, but I don't have a problem with anyone else using it either.

[Mr. Smash'n Bash]

The way I see it, in a truely free country I should have the right to put whatever I want into my body regardless of the results as long as I'm not harming someone else in the process.

[GunBlade]

Don't you have AIDS? It doesn't matter for you, I'd start chain smoking if I were you.
Wow..

[mrvlknight21]

things change buddy. not everything that is illegal SHOULD be illegal. there's a law right now, in my city, that states that it's illegal to have sex in any other position than missionary....does that mean it should be illegal for me to be to make love to my girl anyway i want?


sorry you've never seen anything good come of it. i think that if you were to look at hemp with eyes open, instead of eyes closed, you would THEN see what good it can do. i didn't post in this thread to tell lies about the plant, but if you don't want to see something you never WILL see it...

I dont see how you can say I am looking at this with eyes closed. To me, eyes closed would be deciding an opinion on it without ever knowing its effects, what happens to those who use it, and so on.
#1-if/when it becomes legal, then #1 on my list will go away. As far as your reference to laws that make no sense, when have you ever heard of someone getting arrested for doing it doggystyle? How about someone getting arrested for using marijuana? The latter happens all the time, so why risk going to jail (and everything that follows it-what ever the judge imposes: a fine, rehab, seeing a probation officer, eliminating yourself from the hiring process of many jobs, embarassment for yourself/family).
So, please dont try to compare the laws against drugs and the laws against certain sexual positions.
Yes, this is a basic, logical reason (dont do something that can cause you to spend a single minute in jail), that does not sound very open minded or whatever, but it does hold some weight on its own.

[ReTrO JuNkIe 42]

100% For It :up: :up:

[DorkyFresh]

As far as your reference to laws that make no sense, when have you ever heard of someone getting arrested for doing it doggystyle? How about someone getting arrested for using marijuana? The latter happens all the time
this is all i had to read to know that you haven't done much research on the subject. you can't be arrested for using marijuana. if a cop comes across you while you're high, he can search you and probably even smell it but if you don't have any on you then he can't arrest you. you can only get arrested for possession. the amount varies from state to state but if you have less than half an ounce they won't hit you with anything bad.

either way, you missed my point. smoking marijuana is about as harmless as doing it doggystyle, yet they're both illegal in my state. does that mean they SHOULD be? imho....HELL no!

[DV8]

use it for it

[mrvlknight21]

this is all i had to read to know that you haven't done much research on the subject. you can't be arrested for using marijuana. if a cop comes across you while you're high, he can search you and probably even smell it but if you don't have any on you then he can't arrest you. you can only get arrested for possession. the amount varies from state to state but most of the time you only get a fine if you have less than an ounce.

either way, you missed my point. smoking marijuana is about as harmless as doing it doggystyle, yet they're both illegal in my state. does that mean they SHOULD be? imho....HELL no!

I havent done any research huh? Well it is clear that you dont know me. Aside from that, you missed my point. If you are using marijuana, chances are you have some in your possession at one time or another. You do have to have it in your hands at some point to have it in your body. That was just me connecting the dots, sorry for jumping into a 100% true assumption. Point still is, you can go to jail for it (possession), nothing you said has changed that fact.
Aside from that, lets assume you are arrested for marijuana possession and get placed on probation. Guess what, if you are tested and come up positive for USING it, you could be arrested (as you mentioned, this varies from state to state). Happens here in Georgia all the time. Now, I dont claim to know the laws of all states, but I am familiar w/ Georgia and poss. of less than an ounce typically equals arrest and the judge usually sentences the offender to probation which includes counseling, fine, fees, drug screens and obviously, this would go on a criminal record.

[DorkyFresh]

I havent done any research huh? Well it is clear that you dont know me.
i never said you didn't do ANY research...i simply said that you haven't done MUCH. please don't confuse my words.

If you are using marijuana, chances are you have some in your possession at one time or another. You do have to have it in your hands at some point to have it in your body. That was just a semantics issue.
that still doesn't change the fact that officers can't arrest you if you don't have any in your possession at the time.

Aside from that, lets assume you are arrested for marijuana possession and get placed on probation. Guess what, if you are tested and come up positive for USING it, you could be arrested (as you mentioned, this varies from state to state). Happens here in Georgia all the time.
as i said before...just because it's illegal doesn't mean it SHOULD be. in my state, you can get fined for not having windshield wipers but you can't get fined for not having a windshield in the first place. there are laws that just don't make any sense and if drinking alcohol or smoking tobacco is legal then there's no reason smoking marijuana shouldn't be either. hemp does less harm and more good than those other 2 substances...

[Halcohol]

I say "Yay, weed!"

But then again, I do pretty much everything to excess...

[Johnichi Chiba]

I see no problem with legalizing weed since it isn't going to harm anyone but the user. I myself am a casual smoker and only really do it as a social thing when im hanging out with friends.

[mrvlknight21]

i never said you didn't do ANY research...i simply said that you haven't done MUCH. please don't confuse my words.


that still doesn't change the fact that officers can't arrest you if you don't have any in your possession at the time.


as i said before...just because it's illegal doesn't mean it SHOULD be. in my state, you can get fined for not having windshield wipers but you can't get fined for not having a windshield in the first place. there are laws that just don't make any sense and if drinking alcohol or smoking tobacco is legal then there's no reason smoking marijuana shouldn't be either. hemp does less harm and more good than those other 2 substances...


I just revised my post that you already responded to (added some detail). It appears that we will agree to disagree on this one. I will stand by my 1st point that if it can get you arrested you shouldnt do it and it appears you will stand by your point of it shouldnt be illegal.

[Halcohol]

I just revised my post that you already responded to (added some detail). It appears that we will agree to disagree on this one. I will stand by my 1st point that if it can get you arrested you shouldnt do it and it appears you will stand by your point of it shouldnt be illegal.
If it can get you arrested, you shouldn't do it?

Dude, you live in a democracy. YOU, the people, make the laws. If you think weed should be illegal, that's cool. But if you think it's wrong BECAUSE it's illegal, that's just stupid.

Things should be illegal because they're wrong, not vice versa.

[DorkyFresh]

It appears that we will agree to disagree on this one. I will stand by my 1st point that if it can get you arrested you shouldnt do it and it appears you will stand by your point of it shouldnt be illegal.
i can respect that...but do you mean to say that you're against anything illegal PERIOD or are there acceptions to the rule? for instance, if hemp weren't illegal, would you still be against it?

[Nathan]

Never used it, and probably never will. But I know people and friends who use it, so I'm not against it. Alcohol does more harm to your body, and that **** is legal.

[PLAS]

I am all for it, as a matter of fact, I had a couple of hits today in the morning after having breakfast, while reading the morning newspaper and having my coffee (cereal coffee, don't want any caffeine on my system)

and I might have a couple of hits before heading to the studio for some mixing

and will most likely have some tonight before going to sleep

of course, since I'm on vacations this week, I don't mind/care

next week will be down to just once a day at the most

[Babs Gordon]

Oh... and there's definitely good that can come from it:

Reggae music
hell... most rock n' roll music
Percy the Garbanzo Bean, my little friend
And any manner of delicious snacks that could only have been thought of by someone high. Like a bowl of frosted flakes with cool whip on it. Mmm.

[Fledermaus]

I think the whole "gateway drug" thing is bulls#it. The only thing that makes weed a gateway drug is the fact that it is illegal. The people you have to see to buy it are committing a felony. There is a good chance that weed isn't the only thing they sell. "I'm all outta bud, little man. How about some cocaine?" Or acid, or meth, or even heroin. If weed was legal, this wouldn't happen. Unless the guy at the weed store tries to sell you some chips or a candy bar with your marijuana. That's called suggestion selling.

[ROOR]

Legalize it!

Seriously, the benefits it could have on the economy.

[Babs Gordon]

I'm still dumbfounded that the US won't allow the farming of varieties cannabis that are very low in the chemical that causes squinty eyes, hunger and happiness. That's what they do in canada and europe. :confused:

[mrvlknight21]

Halcohol and Dorky Fresh-this is a response to both of you, since you both kind of made the same point/statement. I said I was against it because it was illegal (first reason). It seems we have gotten focused on that and part of the back and forth between me and DFresh is because I was saying I am against it bc it is illegal (again, 1st reason only), and he was trying to make a completely different point as to why it should be legal, so we were approaching this thing in different ways for different reasons.
If it were legal, I still wouldnt touch it, since I consider it to be a drug and not to sound like the guy from South Park, but "drugs are bad." And if there is some law that I truly consider to be stupid propoganda, iron fist rule from some crazy dictator, or something similar, I guess I would take steps to oppose it (protests, petitions, whatever), but typically I agree w/ laws that are on the books and this happens to be one of them.

[sassycat]

I really, really hate how it smells :(

[Babs Gordon]

I used to. But then... it's so lovely to me now.

[Fledermaus]

There's nothing like the smell of fresh green. I have some that you have to triple bag and you can still smell it. Awesome. I bought some incense once and the scent was 'ganja'. The best thing is the receipt said 'marijuana 2.95'.

[Babs Gordon]

bwahaha. one day?

[Fledermaus]

If you think weed is expensive now, wait 'till they legalize it. The price will probably triple.

[Babs Gordon]

Yeah probably. That's ok for me though. I only do it once every few months.

[spideyboy_1111]

against it... pot may only effect people in a drunken state... but it can still ruin homes and kill brain sells. my dad is a recovering pot, cocaine, and slight alchohol addict. the drug he used most though was pot. He craved it.. and essentially tore apart our family because he wanted to smoke pot with his friends and "relax" more then spend time with us.

[blind_fury]

So you think alcohol should be illegal also due to abusive usage? Correct?

[Babs Gordon]

But it can also be a family bonding experience.

:dry:

[spideyboy_1111]

So you think alcohol should be illegal also due to abusive usage? Correct?

i think there should be some sort of way to make it illegal for those who abuse it. its a matter of responsibility and regulation, i don't drink much, and i also would never choose to take something, or get drunk to make me feel better, or ease pain, or "have more fun" cuz i can do that on my own. it's all mental. people just want an easy way out

[blind_fury]

i think there should be some sort of way to make it illegal for those who abuse it.
So the government can come in my home and tell me not to drink any more beer? I'm a grown man. It's no one's business but my own if I want to spend my weekends drunk or stoned.

its a matter of responsibility and regulation, i don't drink much, and i also would never choose to take something, or get drunk to make me feel better, or ease pain, or "have more fun" cuz i can do that on my own. it's all mental. people just want an easy way out
It's your choice if you want to spend your entire time on this Earth completely sober. They key word is choice.

I don't like sky diving or cigarettes. But I don't tell people they don't have the right to do those things and they should be forbidden by law. sheesh.

[spideyboy_1111]

well its not like people come into your home and go scouting to see if you have pot.. pot is pretty much "glazed" over to some extent in the states.. its not like big drug raids. i just funny how its always the people who do it, who get defensive as hell.. i very calmly stated my opinion, and said i wish there was a way to regulate it.. but a drug is a drug.. and im biased on even ones to treat depression. Im a strong believer in your own mind, and your own will.. and think people who need to get high or drunk (other then for medical reasons) are pretty sad and pathetic cuz they can't get off there ass and have as much fun without it

[chaseter]

Never have used and don't plan to. I don't know a single, successfull, great, and out-going person that uses it regularly.

[blind_fury]

well its not like people come into your home and go scouting to see if you have pot.. pot is pretty much "glazed" over to some extent in the states.. its not like big drug raids. i just funny how its always the people who do it, who get defensive as hell.. i very calmly stated my opinion, and said i wish there was a way to regulate it.. but a drug is a drug.. and im biased on even ones to treat depression. Im a strong believer in your own mind, and your own will.. and think people who need to get high or drunk (other then for medical reasons) are pretty sad and pathetic cuz they can't get off there ass and have as much fun without it

This "human will over foriegn substances" concept is your own personal philosophy. Why would you think you have the right to enforce it on others?

[spideyboy_1111]

Never have used and don't plan to. I don't know a single, successfull, great, and out-going person that uses it regularly.

^^agreed^^ Pot isnt harmful in itself, until it makes you lazy.. and opens a gateway to other drugs

[spideyboy_1111]

This "human will over foriegn substances" concept is your own personal philosophy. Why would you think you have the right to enforce it on others?

well.. i was at my dads rehab meetings.. and many addicts don't know how to help themselves. So why not end something that causeses pain to some, and only really helps a few?

[blind_fury]

well.. i was at my dads rehab meetings.. and many addicts don't know how to help themselves. So why not end something that causeses pain to some, and only really helps a few?
Most people can use cannibus and alcohol without becoming physically addicted.

Just because some people become addicted to sex or junk food you don't burn all the donut shops and outlaw recreational sex, you help those addicted and let the majority who can moderate continue to enjoy sex and junk food.

[blind_fury]

Never have used and don't plan to. I don't know a single, successfull, great, and out-going person that uses it regularly.

nice blanket gerneralization. :up:

Sorry to break it to you but there are plenty of people far more successful and out-going than you could ever hope to be who smoke weed regularly. :o

[spideyboy_1111]

blind fury.. go on being a lazy pot smoker then who needs it to get through life ;) i myself would rather have control of my own mind to make me happy, relaxed or sad. but if ya wanna use then by all means go ahead. I'm not saying ban it.. Never once said that but whats next? because it's called a "gateway drug" for a reason.. unlike cigarettes and alchohol it doesnt open doors for a greater high... like mushrooms, cocaine, meth, or ecstasy

[blind_fury]

If alcohol was illegal it would be a gateway drug too.

Amsterdam has much lower percentage of cocaine use than the United Staes and as you know they have legal coffeeshops where you can buy potent weed all over the city.

If weed was a gateway drug, Amsterdam would have far more hard drug users but that's not the case.

[blind_fury]

blind fury.. go on being a lazy pot smoker then who needs it to get through life ;)
Thanks for the permission to do something no adult should need permission to do. :woot:

[spideyboy_1111]

amsterdam also isnt the united states.. where kids always wanna do what they cant no matter the age. the US would just get younger kids doing it.. because its more accesible to them.

[Babs Gordon]

Yeah I smell poop. When I get high, which isn't often, I don't feel any less myself. I just laugh more tha usual, and sometimes that's fun!

And it's true, I do know regular pot smokers that are very happy, successful, outgoing and awesome. Potheads are a slighly different story, but regular users definitely.

[terry78]

It depends, for the most part. I know people here at work that pretty much get drunk off their ass several times out of the week, and still manage to come in to work and have their numbers be off the charts ironically.

[blind_fury]

ah yes, the infamous drunken master technique. :woot:

[DorkyFresh]

there have been plenty of successful people who've smoked weed...i've already listed some. the ones that stick out in my mind are Bruce Lee, Carl Sagan, and Shakespeare.

as far as it being a gateway drug, once again...that's a problem with the individual themselves, not the drug. people under the influence of weed that feel the need to go harder would turn to hard drugs regardless of their use of weed.

as for the price going up...i highly doubt it. if weed is allowed to be legally grown in the US prices would most likely drop due competition.

[Mr. Smash'n Bash]

^^agreed^^ Pot isnt harmful in itself, until it makes you lazy.. and opens a gateway to other drugs

For the last time it is not a ****ing gateway drug! I have yet to do anything else besides drink, the same goes with practically all my friends and anyone else I've known thats smoked.

[Apollo]

smoking is a turn off

[Babs Gordon]

I don't think many people do it because they think it makes them sexy.

[jaguarr]

For the last time it is not a ****ing gateway drug! I have yet to do anything else besides drink, the same goes with practically all my friends and anyone else I've known thats smoked.

You're going to be a crank addict. I can tell. :(

jag

[Mr. Smash'n Bash]

You're going to be a crank addict. I can tell. :(

jag

Crank? :huh:

[nosebleed.]

The only guy I've ever known to die from smoking Marijuana is Bruce Lee.

[Mr. Smash'n Bash]

Its not even possible though, Cannibis doesn't have enough toxins in it to kill anyone.

[jaguarr]

Crank? :huh:

Crystal meth, son. The working man's drug. Battery acid and Sudafed with some other goodies. It'll grow hair on your chest (among other places). :dry:

jag

[PLAS]

against it... pot may only effect people in a drunken state... but it can still ruin homes and kill brain sells. my dad is a recovering pot, cocaine, and slight alchohol addict. the drug he used most though was pot. He craved it.. and essentially tore apart our family because he wanted to smoke pot with his friends and "relax" more then spend time with us.
news flash buddy, your daddy was into more stuff than just pot, you're giving way too much attention to weed and almost none to the pot/alcohol part

most of the stoners I know, who are mostly into pot and almost never drink and would seldom paratake in other kinds of stuff are pretty normal individuals who happen to lead very healthy lives (most of them, including me and my future wife are vegetarians).

the behaviour you're describing is more similar to that of an alcoholic/coke addict

[PLAS]

Never have used and don't plan to. I don't know a single, successfull, great, and out-going person that uses it regularly.
hello, my name is Alex, nice to meet you ;):)

[DorkyFresh]

Its not even possible though, Cannibis doesn't have enough toxins in it to kill anyone.

he died because he was mildly allergic to the kind of marijuana he was smoking (hash) and because he constantly overtrained himself, he would get headaches and migraines so he took some aspirin and that further complicated things. 6 months before he died he collapse from exhaustion and was taken to the hospital...that should've been a warning sign to slow down on the training.

at any rate, THC was in Bruce Lee's body when he died but marijuana ALONE is not what killed him...

[PLAS]

I have some questions to all you smokers out there:

-how do you store and keep your stash?
-do you prefer bongs or paper? if so, which kind?
-what are your favorite activities to do while high?

in my case, we put orange or apple peels (pears, lemons and other fruits work too) around the pot, which is then placed inside a plastic bag, this bag, if it's for not immediate consumption is then wrapped in aluminum foil and stashed away in the freezer, it can last months there, and when you take it out, it's fresh and smelling of fruits, which blends with the smell while burning; if it's for more immediate consumption, then we put the plastic bag inside a jar which goes into the fridge (we put it in the lower section, by the fruits and veggies)

another integral part of any true smoker is the box, the box is the container where one would have rolling papers, cleaning supplies (in our case we use a sheet of bond paper, for some strange reason, we've used mostly flyers from our gigs... it seems those are always around exactly when we need them), and of course, the twigs and seeds, which are used later when making soups or creams, in our case, we use a Wonder Woman tin keepsake I gave my girlfriend as a present with some weird jewelry I bought while on tour, but it eventually became the box, it became an inside joke amongst our friends whenever they would come over to ask if "Wonder Woman was around for some fun"

I'll keep writing later, cuz it's just way too much to read as of now

[Cobblepot]

.

Legalizing it also grants the government better control over the substance like alcohol and tobacco. They can also tax the hell out of it if they choose.

What she said.

[moraldeficiency]

It's only recently that it became legal, or even the existance of the word marijuana. Funny (but true) story the good people at Pfizer were coming out with this super cool stuff called plastic. The problem was that plastics were expensive and envirnmentally dangerous (especially at first) and hemp production had just made a breakthough with a device that could havest it far more efficiently (think the cotton gin). Hemp products were about to kill of plastics so Pfizer began to lobby politicians to make hemp an illegal substance and they justified it by creating the myth that hemp was over ten times as dangerous and addictive as heroin.

In terms of dangerous substances it's lower than ciggerattes and much lower than alcohol.

[Joe Kerr]

I have some questions to all you smokers out there:

-how do you store and keep your stash?
-do you prefer bongs or paper? if so, which kind?
-what are your favorite activities to do while high?


my stash is kept in a small Mad-Magazine tin lunchbox, in my dresser, also inside of this Little box is;

-2 Joker cards (for scooping)

-1 glass pipe (Name: Norman Mingo)

-2 custom Gravity or Waterfall bong lids

-1 spare metal bowl

-2 packs of zig-zags

-AND my various types of pot!


:D


(i prefer to smoke out of bongs (BUT JOINTS ARE ALWAYS NICE ;))

[DorkyFresh]

I have some questions to all you smokers out there:

-how do you store and keep your stash?
-do you prefer bongs or paper? if so, which kind?
-what are your favorite activities to do while high?
i don't smoke much...my buddy keeps most of it, but i smoke out of a bong. from what i've heard the water in the bongs get rid of a lot of the bad toxins. i've smoked joints but it's not my preference. while i'm blazed i LOVE to play video games (of course) lol, but i also find that it helps me concentrate when i'm drawing. i also like to stare at the back of 20 dollar bills. you never know what's in there, man...look! who's in the bushes?? i dunno! Red Team Go! Red Team Go!!! hehe

i'm gonna have to try that fruit thing, PLAS

[Babs Gordon]

Everything in moderation, yo. I've been on a few dates with a guy who I just found out smokes like 6 times a day. That's not my style. Must end it.

[DorkyFresh]

Everything in moderation, yo. I've been on a few dates with a guy who I just found out smokes like 6 times a day. That's not my style. Must end it.
yeah, that's nuts. i may advocate the use of da ganja but by no means do i want anyone to abuse it. it can be a dangerous drug if you let it be. it's just like anything, if you don't use it responsibly it can really f*** you up.

[Babs Gordon]

Now to figure out the best way to let him down cause he's all stoked for another date. :csad:

[DorkyFresh]

that sux...i know it's easier said than done, but just give it to him straight. it's much easier to let him down now than to let him down later if you know what i mean.

[PLAS]

stuff I like to do while stoned:

-write or compose, it helps me focus my ideas even better, specially when it comes to vocal melodies
-watch really weird movies
-go outside and just walk with the headphones on and enjoy the scenery
-es eeh, ex

I have fun

[Mr. Smash'n Bash]

I run around and yell at cars driving by .. oh wait, thats when I'm drunk. :o

[Babs Gordon]

I like to park it and observe everything around me. It's really entertaining to find hysterical little details. For instance, my ex-boyfriend's mountain bike model was named "Stab Garbanzo". WTF? I must have laughed for ten minutes over that one.

[Mr. Smash'n Bash]

Subliminal messaging!? The bike companies want you to take a shiv to Garbanzo!

[Babs Gordon]

I made up a story about a sad little Garbanzo bean named percy who met with an untimely death. I suppose that's another high activity. Making up stories.

[DorkyFresh]

lol, the Pictures Discussion thread over in the Transformer forums is on it's 420th page right now...hehe

[Superman]

You want my opinion? You don't get enough weed in a dime bag anymore IMO. Used to be a dime bag would last a couple of days. Now you're lucky if you get two joints out of it.:cmad:

But that's just my opinion.:woot:

[Sandman138]

I dont see how you can say I am looking at this with eyes closed. To me, eyes closed would be deciding an opinion on it without ever knowing its effects, what happens to those who use it, and so on.
#1-if/when it becomes legal, then #1 on my list will go away. As far as your reference to laws that make no sense, when have you ever heard of someone getting arrested for doing it doggystyle?

Most of those laws are actually old Sodomy Laws, so:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_v._Texas
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowers_v._Hardwick
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kentucky_v._Wasson


How about someone getting arrested for using marijuana? The latter happens all the time, so why risk going to jail (and everything that follows it-what ever the judge imposes: a fine, rehab, seeing a probation officer, eliminating yourself from the hiring process of many jobs, embarassment for yourself/family).

And how does this make it more justified to do? Honestly, have you looked at the racial and class issues at stake in being arrested for pot? Scientifically speaking, studies have found none of the claims against the drug to hold any water. Meanwhile, statistically speaking the number of poor and black people that end up in jail because of marijuana versus the number of affluent white people lends a lot of support to the idea that keeping it illegal helps continue race and class control.

So, please dont try to compare the laws against drugs and the laws against certain sexual positions.
Yes, this is a basic, logical reason (dont do something that can cause you to spend a single minute in jail), that does not sound very open minded or whatever, but it does hold some weight on its own.

So, you're complacent. Going back to DF's point, should gays have just stayed in their god damned closet because they could have gone to jail, rather than force the courts to recognize that their ban on sexual practices was unconstitutional? It wouldn't be the first time government abolition has been shown to be unconstitutional.

[Sandman138]

http://leap.cc/
http://www.mpp.org/site/c.glKZLeMQIsG/b.1146183/k.AE54/FAQ.htm

[Master Chief]

You want my opinion? You don't get enough weed in a dime bag anymore IMO. Used to be a dime bag would last a couple of days. Now you're lucky if you get two joints out of it.:cmad:

But that's just my opinion.:woot:


Hahah, true. I don't smoke up that much though, and I don't keep a stash so it's kind of convenient.

[DorkyFresh]

Going back to DF's point, should gays have just stayed in their god damned closet because they could have gone to jail, rather than force the courts to recognize that their ban on sexual practices was unconstitutional? It wouldn't be the first time government abolition has been shown to be unconstitutional.

^ 5!

[blind_fury]

http://www.mpp.org/site/c.glKZLeMQIsG/b.1146183/k.AE54/FAQ.htm

You and your stupid facts!!! :cmad:

:oldrazz:

[nosebleed.]

DF is such a dope head. GET ON THE WAGON YA BUM!!

[Johnny Blaze]

You want my opinion? You don't get enough weed in a dime bag anymore IMO. Used to be a dime bag would last a couple of days. Now you're lucky if you get two joints out of it.:cmad:

But that's just my opinion.:woot:

That's true. I remember when an eighth would last me damn near five days. Course I was only a lightweight then. :o

Now I stick to only the stickiest of the ickey. After all, if you're going to smoke...why settle for dirt? :up:



Also, I don't know why some people have a problem with working and smoking. Granted if you get completely blasted you're not going to want to do much save relax (which is a good thing after a long day of work). But, when I smoke like a joint before work or during a break I'm in the freakin' zone and ready to get **** done. :woot: :up:

[Malus]

Also, I don't know why some people have a problem with working and smoking. Granted if you get completely blasted you're not going to want to do much save relax (which is a good thing after a long day of work). But, when I smoke like a joint before work or during a break I'm in the freakin' zone and ready to get **** done. :woot: :up:

Depends on whether you're potentially responsible for other peoples lives, dude.
You can't be operating a fork lift unloading cinder blocks while stoned any more than while drunk.

Other than circumstances like that (driving, teaching, etc.) I find it to be completely harmless for the most part.
It certainly hasn't ruined (and ended) as many lives as alcohol & tobacco.
Now those are the dangerous drugs.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

I guess for it--I probably wouldn't mind trying it, and I really don't see why it's illegal, but I'm not, like, very adament in the right to smoke pot.


Would you like to know why it's illegal? Basically it was a witch hunt driven by two men back in the early 1900's. One I can't remember the a-holes name and the other, dun dun, William Randolph Hurst. Yup that's right, that douche bag helped make marijuana illegal to use in this country.

If you wikipedia it, the article talks about the other police officer or whatever he was and how he and Hearst totally skewed the view on it.

It should be legal, just like all other drugs. It makes no sense, alcohol is legal, by what rational is that okay in this country but no other drug is?

Makes no sense, either all types of mind and physiological altering drugs and the like are illegal or legal.

The consequences such as driving under the influence, theft, violence, etc should still be illegal but not their use, possession, distribution, or growth/manufacturing.

It does this country more harm than good for them to be illegal. Imagine how much money the government could make off of their sale and regulation of it not to mention the amount of disease they could cut down on.

[Johnny Blaze]

Depends on whether you're potentially responsible for other peoples lives, dude.
You can't be operating a fork lift unloading cinder blocks while stoned any more than while drunk.

Other than circumstances like that (driving, teaching, etc.) I find it to be completely harmless for the most part.
It certainly hasn't ruined (and ended) as many lives as alcohol & tobacco.
Now those are the dangerous drugs.

True, it does depend on what you do, as well as how much you smoke. I've only ever smoked doing two things: a block laborer and a line cook. Neither of those are dangerous to others.

Unless you count eating food at your restaurant behind the chef's back dangerous. :o

[DorkyFresh]

4/20!!!

[ReTrO JuNkIe 42]

Roll It !!!!

[terry78]

Somebody sent an email with happy 4/20 on it at work today....they're being reprimanded. :dry:

[blind_fury]

lolz.

[Mephistopheles]

I completely forgot about 4/20. :o

[DorkyFresh]

Somebody sent an email with happy 4/20 on it at work today....they're being reprimanded. :dry:

my bosses are so crooked i would probably get praised for doing something like that...

[Locs]

For it, but I won't use it because I'm not a smoker. Still, people have been smoking ganja for centuries or more from all over the Earth and it probably hasn't harmed people as much as other beloved pastimes, such as drinking and religion, has.

[MaskedManJRK]

Wait...so today is indeed a holiday for Marijuana?

...

*marks next year's calander*

I shall celebrate next year! :woot::up:

[DorkyFresh]

thought this was kinda interesting. marijuana cuts lung cancer tumor growth in half...

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/04/070417193338.htm

[SpideyInATree]

I have a skewed opinion as I am a user of marijuana and enjoy it very much. The key to being a good marijuana user is to not abuse it. Best way to do it is save it for the weekend or a time to have fun. Using it on a daily basis can be fun but when you're doing it for a year straight it's going to give you the pothead blues. Heh.

Before I even used marijuana I always wondered why it was illegal but alcohol was perfectly legal and cigarettes are perfectly legal. And the reason that marijuana is an illegal substance is because if it were legalized the alcohol companies would all go out of business because no one would want to drink beer or liquor. And the cigarette companies would eventually go out of business as well.

Marijuana being legalized would hurt a lot of rich people in this country, and around the world. And if rich people are going to get hurt we can't have THAT now can we? So it stays illegal and the rich man gets richer while the poor man has to constantly buy marijuana to keep his sanity. Money talks and bull**** walks.

[Orko Is King]

Me and my buddy were smoking in the back yard last night. We leave his weed (in a plastic container) on a table and go inside to watch TV. So we come back later to find the weed gone and the container broken and chewed on the floor.

MY DOG ATE A GRAM OF WEED!:wow:

[SpideyInATree]

Your dog is gonna be so freakin' stoned.

[Joe Kerr]

Your dog is gonna be so freakin' stoned.

from a gram?:huh:

[Movies205]

the 'problems' that people have with marijuana are problems that people had with themselves BEFORE they started smoking marijuana. if you lead a lazy life, once you smoke marijuana you'll still be lazy. if you're pro-active, once you smoke marijuana you'll just be high at the same time. abusers have problems with their mentality that would be there regardless of their use of the plant.

as far as it being a gateway drug...that's utter BS. smoking weed doesn't make someone wanna go stick a needle in their arm or put powder up their nose. most of the time it just makes them wanna eat...

Yeah... Tell yourself that if it makes you feel better however it doesn't change it from not being true. I mean I'm not against weed but that nature of it. Even if you are proactive, it'll kill your motivation, etc... If you smoke enough, you get introduced to other drugs, of course no one sticks a needle in you, etc... But you will come in contact with other drugs and it's up to the individual to decide whether they wnat do it or not.

[Johnny Blaze]

Me and my buddy were smoking in the back yard last night. We leave his weed (in a plastic container) on a table and go inside to watch TV. So we come back later to find the weed gone and the container broken and chewed on the floor.

MY DOG ATE A GRAM OF WEED!:wow:

Better follow him around with a bag and collect that stuff.


Then you can have some maui waui mixed with labrador, man. :oldrazz:

[SpideyInATree]

from a gram?:huh:

Probably. Unless the dog takes a lot of bong hits it's gonna be pretty messed up.

[DorkyFresh]

Yeah... Tell yourself that if it makes you feel better however it doesn't change it from not being true.
it doesn't make me feel better to tell myself that it's not a gateway drug...it simply isn't. most stoners look down upon crackheads because they know better than not to touch that stuff. the only people who smoke weed then smoke crack or do heroine are people who would've done crack or heroine regardless of smoking marijuana...

Even if you are proactive, it'll kill your motivation, etc...
only if you let it. i know many weedheads that don't sit around their living room, watch tv, play video games, or whatever stereotypical thing stoners do. it's just like any other substance...if you let it rule you it will. it's not as if EVERY person who starts smoking weed ends up with lack of motivation. like i said before...if it's a problem after you smoke weed then it was a problem BEFORE you started.

If you smoke enough, you get introduced to other drugs, of course no one sticks a needle in you, etc... But you will come in contact with other drugs and it's up to the individual to decide whether they wnat do it or not.
i've smoked on and off for over a year, one of my other friends has been smoking for 7 years, another one of my friends has been smoking for more than 10 years...none of us have ever tried any other drugs. so no....if you smoke 'enough' you don't necessarily get introduced to other drugs. it depends on the situation....not every person who smokes a lot of weed will FOR CERTAIN come in contact with any other drugs....that's just ridiculous.

the only reason people keep saying weed is a gateway drug is because schools use it as an excuse for kids not to use weed. if marijuana was such a gateway drug Amsterdam would be in ruins right now...

[the_joker]

At the end of the day, it should be up to individuals' own choice to do drugs or not. It annoys me when other people use arguments such as a "relative" who ruined his life because he did drugs. Big deal. It doesn't mean that everyone who does drugs is going to become a crack addict. Why should individuals be restricted because of other people's stupidity and misfortunes?

There would be outrage if someone comes along and said that they knocked over a lit candle and burnt down their house, and so thereafter candles will be outlawed. This is what has happened to cannabis with governments believing that people can't be trusted to make their own decisions about their lives.

The propaganda in the media doesn't help, it only focussed on the negative side of drug use and conveniently turns a blind eye to successful people who have done drugs (or even still doing it). The half the politicans in the British government at the moment are ex-drug users yet they seem to be capable of running the country.

[Movies205]

it doesn't make me feel better to tell myself that it's not a gateway drug...it simply isn't. most stoners look down upon crackheads because they know better than not to touch that stuff. the only people who smoke weed then smoke crack or do heroine are people who would've done crack or heroine regardless of smoking marijuana...

Why does it have to be crack or heroine? What about the other plethora of drugs out there Vikadins/Pain Killers, Speed, LSD, etc. I'm not saying everyone who does weed goes on to do other drugs, however... Weed is a gateway drug BECAUSE it's illegal, drug dealers often sell more than one type of drug or they know other people who sell other kinds of drugs. I mean... it's not a hard concept and it's true. I'm not saying because someone does weed they'll do harder drugs, I know plenty of pot-heads who don't touch hardcore drugs and I know plenty who started with weed and moved up the ladder.


only if you let it. i know many weedheads that don't sit around their living room, watch tv, play video games, or whatever stereotypical thing stoners do. it's just like any other substance...if you let it rule you it will. it's not as if EVERY person who starts smoking weed ends up with lack of motivation. like i said before...if it's a problem after you smoke weed then it was a problem BEFORE you started.

I know a lot of pot heads who get their **** done and their doing fine, but I know that they'd be doing a lot better off the stuff. Also there's a BIG distinction between pot head and doing once and a while. Weed really does slow down your mind if you do it all the time, ASK any real pothead who goes a week without doing it, they'll tell you their's a big difference/.


i've smoked on and off for over a year, one of my other friends has been smoking for 7 years, another one of my friends has been smoking for more than 10 years...none of us have ever tried any other drugs. so no....if you smoke 'enough' you don't necessarily get introduced to other drugs. it depends on the situation....not every person who smokes a lot of weed will FOR CERTAIN come in contact with any other drugs....that's just ridiculous.

FOR CERTAIN? Who the hell deals with for certains? That's good for you, however all of the weed dealers I have met, have sold other drugs at one point or another. Also you don't seem to be a pot head since the on and off things. As I said before certain people do certain things, hwoever the people who do crack, LSD, etc most of them started on weed and moved up the ladder since weed was so easy to get as well as being "harmless", then other drugs were introduced, etc...

Weed isn't bad, however doing it all the time is stupid and pathetic, I'm sorry... it is what it is. I mean I understand relaxing with it after a hard day's work or after a good day chillin to a good smoke. But when you get the point when you need a drug to get through life, just take the blade to your wrists :)


the only reason people keep saying weed is a gateway drug is because schools use it as an excuse for kids not to use weed. if marijuana was such a gateway drug Amsterdam would be in ruins right now...[/QUOTE]

[Sun_Down]

A little herb every once in a while is perfectly fine. I may even actually prefer it to alochol - no puking, no pissing a dozen times a night, no hangovers and no getting into fistfights with strangers over nothing. Like Bill Hicks said, it's impossible for two high people to get into a fight.

Overdoing it, just like overdoing anything, can be bad though. And that all depends on the person. I know people who smoke twice a day and function just fine. I, however, am pretty useless when high, especially late at night. I usually just have a bite and go to sleep. So I could never smoke daily, but I don't begrudge those who can/do in the slightest.

[SpideyInATree]

You could smoke daily but you'd have to learn to start building up a little bit of a tolerance. The reason people you know can smoke a few times a day and still function normally is because they have a nice tolerance built up (at least most times). Honestly, other times a lot of people just can handle the high pot gives you. It's almost like some people NEED marijuana to make them sane. And if you don't believe me I can happily introduce you to a friend of mine who'd be a complete basketcase if it weren't for marijuana.

[BrklynsVeryOwn]

My 4/20 was great.
Went to Philly (Temple University) got a limo, went to a strip club and just blazed all night. it was friggin great.

[BrklynsVeryOwn]

from a gram?:huh: Thats what I'm saying. Thats only five dollars o_O.

[Joe Kerr]

Thats what I'm saying. Thats only five dollars o_O.
i know... :huh:

well i guess it's possible....

[Arkady Rossovich]

Marijuna can be used for medical things,as well as healthy things.But its often abused,so i can understand some people not wanting anything to do with it.But there should be laws for it,and who deals with the plant.

[ObakeTora]

marijuana is used by alot of people I know to kick alcohol. It doesnt give you liver problems, make you angry or violent. Why not legalize it???

[Kritish]

marijuana is used by alot of people I know to kick alcohol. It doesnt give you liver problems, make you angry or violent. Why not legalize it???

Hasn’t Rush Limbaugh taught you anything? People will partake in drug riddled blood orgies that will lead to moral decay! :rolleyes:

[Cаrter]

Beer + Pot = Good times

[SpideyInATree]

Hasn’t Rush Limbaugh taught you anything? People will partake in drug riddled blood orgies that will lead to moral decay! :rolleyes:


I smoke pot all the time and I haven't been in any blood orgies. What a rip off! :cmad:

[WTFimVENOM]

In Cannibus We Trust :up:

[Sandman138]

Yeah... Tell yourself that if it makes you feel better however it doesn't change it from not being true. I mean I'm not against weed but that nature of it. Even if you are proactive, it'll kill your motivation, etc...

I do my best reading when I'm stoned. When I'm sober, I usually use context to skip words that I don't know. When I'm stoned, that doesn't work, so I actually look up unknown words, write notes in the margin, read through it two or three times, and generally memorize all the arguments of a paper or journal. I've forgotten quite a few of the journals I've read, but never the one's that I read when I was stoned.

If you smoke enough, you get introduced to other drugs, of course no one sticks a needle in you, etc... But you will come in contact with other drugs and it's up to the individual to decide whether they wnat do it or not.

That has to do with cannabis being illegal in the first place. That's like saying drinking will lead you into the mafia.

[Sandman138]

You could smoke daily but you'd have to learn to start building up a little bit of a tolerance. The reason people you know can smoke a few times a day and still function normally is because they have a nice tolerance built up (at least most times). Honestly, other times a lot of people just can handle the high pot gives you. It's almost like some people NEED marijuana to make them sane. And if you don't believe me I can happily introduce you to a friend of mine who'd be a complete basketcase if it weren't for marijuana.

Tolerance is overrated... and expensive.

[Fried Gold]

I believe those who advocate the usage of an illegal substance to be nothing short of spasticated.

[Bob Marley]

I believe those who advocate the usage of an illegal substance to be nothing short of spasticated.

Good thing I don't hold your opinion too highly :):up:

[Fried Gold]

Good thing I don't hold your opinion too highly :):up:Good thing I don't hold your opinion at all.

[Bob Marley]

Good thing I don't hold your opinion at all.

OooOOoo man that burns Ouch :woot:
Its ok fried gold, your opinion really does matter to me, thats why that last comment made me die a little inside....:dry:

[DorkyFresh]

I believe those who advocate the usage of an illegal substance to be nothing short of spasticated.

so....if weed were legal you wouldn't have a problem with it? what if chocolate was all of the sudden made illegal...would you think people who advocate it were "spasticated"?


i think "sheeple" who judge a substance purely on the fact that it was made it illegal in the US before it was thoroughly studied are narrow minded and ignorant.

[terry78]

I find it funny when people under 30 actually go crazy when it comes to pot, like they're suddenly so clean cut.

[Fried Gold]

so....if weed were legal you wouldn't have a problem with it? what if chocolate was all of the sudden made illegal...would you think people who advocate it were "spasticated"?If it was made illegal for personal health, economic and social reasons, then sure, it would be pretty stupid to risk criminal charges and future health issues based purely on having something nice for a bit.
i think "sheeple" who judge a substance purely on the fact that it was made it illegal in the US before it was thoroughly studied are narrow minded and ignorant.No, I'm a person who judges a substance based directly on the correlation between the amount taken and how much of a mindless mong the user will thus become.

[Fried Gold]

I find it funny when people under 30 actually go crazy when it comes to pot, like they're suddenly so clean cut.Sorry man, I know it's uncool to be against recreational narcotics, but I just can't seem to help myself.

[DorkyFresh]

No, I'm a person who judges a substance based directly on the correlation between the amount taken and how much of a mindless mong the user will thus become.

which has nothing to do with it being illegal. you basically said you think anyone who advocates anything illegal is stupid. now you're saying it depends on how much of an idiot they become afterwards. are you changing your point of view or are you just confused? cuz you sure confused me.

[Fried Gold]

which has nothing to do with it being illegal. you basically said you think anyone who advocates anything illegal is stupid. now you're saying it depends on how much of an idiot they become afterwards. are you changing your point of view or are you just confused? cuz you sure confused me.http://www.4sbccfaculty.org/lecture/2000s/images/shapiro_images/32-downs-syndrome_72.jpg

I never said anything illegal, I was referring to illegal substances, which one would assume to be marijuana, or another drug type, given the thread discussion.

Here, allow me to spell it out to you...

I said I think it is stupid to advocate illegal drug usage. This is just something I was brought up with, y'know, like right and wrong? Anyway,the degree of my feelings towards said stupid individual vary, dependant on what they take, and how much, ie. how much of mong they turn into afterwards.

Christ, it's like teaching a bunch of special needs kids.

[DorkyFresh]

I never said anything illegal, I was referring to illegal substances, which one would assume to be marijuana, or another drug type, given the thread discussion.
it's basically saying the same thing though. marijuana could be the greatest substance on Earth but you're against it just because America prematurely made it illegal? because a piece of paper says it's illegal you're against it?

I said I think it is stupid to advocate illegal drug usage. This is just something I was brought up with, y'know, like right and wrong?
so...you come in here and call people who advocate the use of marijuana "spasticated" because you were raised to think that marijuana being illegal automatically makes it "wrong"? did you even bother to do your own research and make up your OWN conclusion or are you just going by what you were RAISED to believe?

if that's the case then don't get offended if i group you along with the rest of the sheeple, becuase that's exactly what they do. they go by what others taught them instead of going by the conclusion they've drawn for themselves.

Christ, it's like teaching a bunch of special needs kids.
you being one of the special needs kids. let's get this straight....if there's anyone here that needs to be taught anything, it's you. i know the positives and negatives to marijuana. from your posts it sounds like all you know about it is that it's illegal...

[redmarvel]

I'm for legalizing it...

I'm especially for legalizing it for medicinal purposes everywhere. I've known a few cancer patients where they are in constant pain and marijuana is the only thing that can provide relief.

Legalizing it also grants the government better control over the substance like alcohol and tobacco. They can also tax the hell out of it if they choose.

I agree. Unlike cigarettes it has proven medical benefits. Since cocaine is a legally prescribed painkiller in codiene pills (and is known to be addictive), why shouldn't marijuana be a legal substance?

[Fried Gold]

*snip*Dude, if you risk breaking the law and harming yourself for the sake of brief enjoyment when there are so many other things you could do to have just as much if not more fun safely and legally, you're a moron.

[Master Chief]

When I smoke up, the worst thing that happens is I eat too much. It's a stupid law I don't mind breaking, and it's not even strongly enforced if someone is found holding, at least in my experience. Besides, when I look at the law I see a system designed to benefit criminals, so whatever.

There are other recreational things I do that don't involve ganja or alcohol, but there are times I want to wind down and weed is perfik.

[Fried Gold]

why shouldn't marijuana be a legal substance?Because it diminishes your capacity for thought. It changes your behaviour. It affects your perception. It modifes your values and skews your priorities.

[PLAS]

Dude, if you risk breaking the law and harming yourself for the sake of brief enjoyment when there are so many other things you could do to have just as much if not more fun safely and legally, you're a moron.
would you care to explain how exactly is someone "harming" themselves by smoking pot?

I mean, I could tell you in how many ways you are harming yourself and your environment by eating the things you do... and lemme tell you, there's way much more stuff that harms you in a McDonalds meal than in one joint

[redmarvel]

Because it diminishes your capacity for thought. It changes your behaviour. It affects your perception. It modifes your values and skews your priorities.

Yes, but so do many perscription drugs (as does alcohol). They should legalize it, but only allow it to be purchashed with a perscription.

[PLAS]

Because it diminishes your capacity for thought. It changes your behaviour. It affects your perception. It modifes your values and skews your priorities.
then why is alcohol legal? because you just described some of the effects it provokes

and all those things you adjudicate to pot are highly debatable, and refutable

[Master Chief]

Why legalize it? Hahah. Pretty much anybody who wants it doesn't have much trouble finding it, and I'm scared that if it's legalized it'll get super taxed. :(

[Fried Gold]

Yes, but so do many perscription drugs (as does alcohol). They should legalize it, but only allow it to be purchashed with a perscription.See in principle, this sounds agreeable, but I know for a FACT that those who advocate it's legality couldn't care less about the drug's medicinal purposes.

[PLAS]

Why legalize it? Hahah. Pretty much anybody who wants it doesn't have much trouble finding it, and I'm scared that if it's legalized it'll get super taxed. :(
imagine, going to the local convenience store and asking for doritos, a six pack, a jug of milk, malrboro reds and a pack of Green Machine

[Fried Gold]

then why is alcohol legal? because you just described some of the effects it provokesBut I'm unlikely to go from lucid to gibbering vegetable within half an hour of having a pint.

[PLAS]

See in principle, this sounds agreeable, but I know for a FACT that those who advocate it's legality couldn't care less about the drug's medicinal purposes.
are you really sure about this? or are you talking out of your ass again?

[redmarvel]

See in principle, this sounds agreeable, but I know for a FACT that those who advocate it's legality couldn't care less about the drug's medicinal purposes.

I advocate it's legality and I've never smoked it. Frankly, when someone else is smoking it the smell makes me slightly nauseous (?sp?). However, I do know that it does have proven medicinal benefits, and that the people who really need it have a hard time finding it. It shouldn't be necessary for a person dying of cancer to have to break the law to find a little relief for their pain.

[Fried Gold]

are you really sure about this? or are you talking out of your ass again?Yeah, yeah, yeah, there are those who are willing to leaglise the drug because it's medicinal usages, but for the majority of those, I'm fairly certain that their primary motivation is the ability to get monged with that little bit less hassle.

[PLAS]

But I'm unlikely to go from lucid to gibbering vegetable within half an hour of having a pint.
I really don't know what kind of solvents do the people you've hanged out with whiffs, but you, my very uninformed friend, are way off... if they smoked something and then became "gibbering vegetables", then they're most likely doing some really hard core stuff

by the way, can you check on how many deaths related directly from the ingestion of alcohol were registered in your country last year, and how many were cause by direct marijuana use?

[PLAS]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, there are those who are willing to leaglise the drug because it's medicinal usages, but for the majority of those, I'm fairly certain that their primary motivation is the ability to get monged with that little bit less hassle.
so?

[Fried Gold]

I really don't know what kind of solvents do the people you've hanged out with whiffs, but you, my very uninformed friend, are way off... if they smoked something and then became "gibbering vegetables", then they're most likely doing some really hard core stuffI'm sorry, have you ever tried to communicate with someone who is very stoned while you're completely straight? Talk about contemptuous withdrawal. Slowed physical and mental reactions, inability to form a sentence without giving up halfway through or giggling like a jerk, unwillingness to engage in conversations or activities. It's not nice to be around people who are on drugs, because you can't communicate with each other on the same level. Even those who are used to it and can do a very good impression of it are still only getting fifty per cent or less of what you're saying. The rest of them would rather sit in a corner and stare at stuff for four hours.

[Fried Gold]

so?So it's MASSIVELY hypocritical to be using the medicinal angle in a drugs argument.

[PLAS]

I'm sorry, have you ever tried to communicate with someone who is very stoned while you're completely straight? Talk about contemptuous withdrawal. Slowed physical and mental reactions, inability to form a sentence without giving up halfway through or giggling like a jerk, unwillingness to engage in conversations or activities. It's not nice to be around people who are on drugs, because you can't communicate with each other on the same level. Even those who are used to it and can do a very good impression of it are still only getting fifty per cent or less of what you're saying. The rest of them would rather sit in a corner and stare at stuff for four hours.
I'm sorry, have you ever tried to communicate with someone who is very drunk while you're completely straight? Talk about senseless stuborness. Slowed physical and mental reactions, inability to form a sentence without giving up halfway through or puking like a spring breaker in cancun, unwillingness to engage in conversations or activities with which they don't agree. It's not nice to be around people who are severely drunk, because you can't communicate with each other on the same level. Even those who are used to it and can do a very good impression of it are still only getting fifty per cent or less of what you're saying. The rest of them would rather sit in a corner and puke whatever was inside their stomach so that they can keep on drinking for four hours.
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[redmarvel]

Have you ever tried to have a conversation with someone totally drunk while you were completely sober? Talk about hands in the wrong places, over enthusiastic fondling, clumsiness and generally behaving like a jerk. It's not nice to be around people who are totally drunk when you're sober because you can't communicate with each other on the same level. Especially those who drink regularly and enjoy getting pissed - they still end up stumbling into bed and snoring the night away.

[Fried Gold]

Have you ever tried to have a conversation with someone totally drunk while you were completely sober? Talk about hands in the wrong places, over enthusiastic fondling, clumsiness and generally behaving like a jerk. It's not nice to be around people who are totally drunk when you're sober because you can't communicate with each other on the same level. Especially those who drink regularly and enjoy getting pissed - they still end up stumbling into bed and snoring the night away.Yeah, it's pretty much the same. That's why I don't get drunk.

[redmarvel]

So it's MASSIVELY hypocritical to be using the medicinal angle in a drugs argument.

It is also MASSIVELY hypocritical to accept the legalization of alcohol (which has only minor health benefits) when marijuana is illegal.

[Fried Gold]

I'm sorry, have you ever tried to communicate with someone who is very drunk

Have you ever tried to have a conversation with someone totally drunk while you were completely sober?JINX!

[DorkyFresh]

Because it diminishes your capacity for thought. It changes your behaviour. It affects your perception. It modifes your values and skews your priorities.
sex does all those things...should we make sex illegal too?

are you really sure about this? or are you talking out of your ass again?
of course he is. he's spouting narrowminded, ignorant, stereotypical BS that any person who's never even done research (let alone tried it) can say. i haven't seen him give any facts about hemp that the average person doesn't know. he just reiterates the same stereotypical effects that the drug has without acknowledging the numerous positives that could come out of legalizing it.

i find it funny that fried says weed lowers your inhibitions and turns people into vegetables considering i didn't get into politics, science, or literature until i started smoking.

[PLAS]

So it's MASSIVELY hypocritical to be using the medicinal angle in a drugs argument.
at least is medicinal, and it has many other uses, unlike alcohol, which aside from being a diuretic when used in very moderate quantities has no other use aside from causing countless car accidents, unwanted pregnancies, cirrhosis, families to fall apart, hungovers, etc.

[Ice-man]

yey my ban was lifted :)

any ways id much rather it still be illegal, it stops more people from doing it because of it being illegal, i also like that its illegal because i DO NOT want my weed taxed by government, i pay 20 for my nice 2 grams of midis, or my 1.2 grams of haze/dro/supers, imagine what id have to pay if it were taxed.

also its soo accessible ware i live, most of oceansides youth is consuming alot of it. if cops see us high they don't do anything, they only say something if they see us about to smoke it or see us purchase it.

they don't seem to mind sometimes.

[Fried Gold]

It is also MASSIVELY hypocritical to accept the legalization of alcohol (which has only minor health benefits) when marijuana is illegal.My world would not change AT ALL if they were to outlaw alcohol, so whilst I may not be signing online petitions or banging on the 10 Downing Street's door, I wouldn't lose any sleep if if suddenly became illegal.

[DorkyFresh]

So it's MASSIVELY hypocritical to be using the medicinal angle in a drugs argument.

omg...are you kidding me? your ignorance SHINES in this post...


...you DO know that the word "drugs" can be used in place of the word "medicine" right? wtf do you think motrin and aspirin are?

[redmarvel]

JINX!

:woot: I was thinking that too when I saw Plas's post...

[Fried Gold]

at least is medicinal, and it has many other uses, unlike alcohol, which aside from being a diuretic when used in very moderate quantities has no other use aside from causing countless car accidents, unwanted pregnancies, cirrhosis, families to fall apart, hungovers, etc.Really? Okay man, let's ban alcohol. You and me, buddy, c'mon, we can do it.

[Fried Gold]

wtf do you think motrin and aspirin are?Legal.

[Cyrusbales]

well my brother smokes a joint every mornign before going off to work at the local secondary school, then has another when he gets home, then goes out and gets drunk and high at night, then gets up and does it the next day.

He used to be a theoretical physisist sorta guy, had a paper on dark matter that would have been published if he didn't go a little 'off the rails'. So I have seen first hand what it does, I'm not really a great advocat of it, although it's all choice really. I don't like people smoking near me as it is, other than, it's fine.

Also, constant drug abuse(abuse, interesting word for it) has been proven to 'rewire' your brain and change the way in which your brain processes information and thought patterns etc...

[DorkyFresh]

well my brother smokes a joint every mornign before going off to work at the local secondary school, then has another when he gets home, then goes out and gets drunk and high at night, then gets up and does it the next day.

He used to be a theoretical physisist sorta guy, had a paper on dark matter that would have been published if he didn't go a little 'off the rails'. So I have seen first hand what it does,

sorry to hear about your bro but i have a question and please don't take offense. was he serious about his work? i know he was serious enough to have had that paper published had he not gotten derailed, but did it seem like something he had a drive for?

[PLAS]

* At the Drive-In - U.S. American post-Hardcore band. Under the influence while recording Acrobatic Tenement.
* Billie Joe Armstrong - Vocalist-guitarist of Green Day. Wrote songs about using marijuana ("Longview"). In high school he sold joints for two dollars each, earning him the nickname "Two-Dollar Bill". Green Day means smoking weed all day.
* Louis Armstrong - Arrested in 1931 for possession, according to his 1971 autobiography. Fond of "muggles" all through his career.
* The Beatles - Symbols of 1960s drug use.
* Jack Black - Actor, musician (Tenacious D). Promotes legalizing marijuana, referring to opponents as "old ****ing shrivs" in the song "City Hall". Nominated for High Times' "Stoner of the Year". [8]
* Ian Brown - Singer, former frontman of The Stone Roses. Regularly smoked before performing.
* Manu Chao - World music icon, promotes legalizing marijuana, often sings Lalo Guerrero's song 'Marijuana Boogie' in concert.
* Dave Chappelle - Wrote and starred in the stoner film Half Baked, performed various weed-related skits on Chappelle's Show, and said he used the drug in his personal life. Recently (2006?) said he quit.
* Tommy Chong - He and Cheech Marin are the infamous stoner duo Cheech and Chong for the "cannabis culture" films. Still smoking.
* Bill Clinton - The U.S. President claimed he tried it but "never inhaled".
* George Clinton - Funk bands Parliament and Funkadelic. Legalization activist.
* Kurt Cobain - Used cannabis, among other drugs.
* Joe Cocker - At Woodstock he sang "Let's Go Get Stoned".
* Tre Cool - Drummer for Green Day. Supports legalization.
* Cypress Hill - The group sings pro-cannabis songs.
* Bob Denver - Actor. "Gilligan" on Gilligan's Island. Spent his later years using cannabis and raising goldfish.[9]
* Snoop Dogg - Rapper. Often smokes on stage, in his car, and on TV appearances. Has a room in his home for weed smoking, known as the Green Room. He claimed to have quit in 2003, only to relapse after 4 months.
* Dr. Dre - Rapper. Album The Chronic, which is a slang term for cannabis. His single "The Next Episode" popularized the phrase "Hey, hey, hey, hey, smoke weed every day."
* Bob Dylan - Singer-songwriter. Introduced the drug to the Beatles. Wrote the song Rainy Day Women #12 and 35, the chorus of which is a jubilant "But I would not feel so all alone. Everybody must get stoned!"
* The Game - A rapper who smokes in the studio. Has referred to the drug in songs.
* Allen Ginsberg - U.S. American Beat poet. Said "Pot is fun!" and "I smoke marijuana every chance I get."
* Gary Hall Jr. - Swimmer. Tested positive for cannabis in 1996, though THC was not yet banned. In 1998, he was suspended for three months. At the 2000 Olympics, he said he was clean and would never smoke again.
* Woody Harrelson - Pro-hemp activist; claims both recreational and meditative purposes. Narrated Grass, a film about the history of marijuana. Is a member of NORML.
* Prince Harry of Britain. After some controversy, was persuaded to stop.
* Jimi Hendrix - The guitarist-singer smoked on stage and in his limousine.
* Timothy Leary - U.S. American psychologist, 1960s counterculture icon, and campaigner for psychedelic drugs ("Turn on!"). Gave up smoking for medical reasons; ate the drug in Leary Biscuits.
* Ludacris - Atlanta, Georgia, rapper. Claims to smoke a large amount. Released "Blueberry Yum Yum," an ode to a strain of cannabis. Its video features him in a greenhouse smoking two "mega joints."
* Bill Maher - Comedian. NORML's Advisory Board. Frequently alludes to his smoking in HBO's Real Time with Bill Maher.
* Bob Marley - As a Rastafari, he defended cannabis, which he used as a sacrament. It is in many of his songs. On the cover of Catch a Fire, he smokes a large spliff.
* Rosa Meriläinen - Finnish politician. Confessed to having used when a representative.
* Method Man and Redman - Smoking weed abounds in their lyrics. "Method" is in the hip-hop collective Wu-Tang Clan who, except Ghostface, who stopped, smoke marijuana. The pair were in a commercial for St. Ide's. Made a comedic stoner flick, How High.
* George Michael - The pop icon claims to smoke too much.
* Robert Mitchum - American actor and singer. He used cannabis in the late 1940s and was the first Hollywood actor arrested for possession[10]. Smoked tobacco also.
* Mo Mowlam - Popular U.K. politician, said (parodying Bill Clinton) that she tried it and inhaled.
* Willie Nelson - NORML. They call him "America's most beloved marijuana smoker". His tour bus had an ashtray with several joints, live cannabis plants, and garbage bags full of the drug. [11]
* Bradley Nowell - Lead singer and guitarist for Sublime. Showed his love for cannabis in the song "Smoke Two Joints" on the album 40 oz. to Freedom.
* Ed O'Brien - British guitarist in Radiohead. Stoned while recording The Bends.
* Sean Paul - With Busta Rhymes, sang Gimme the Light, about cannabis.
* Carl Sagan - The scientist was an avid user of marijuana, though not admitted publicly. Under the pseudonym "Mr. X", he wrote about cannabis in Marihuana Reconsidered. In his essay, Sagan commented that marijuana encouraged some of his works and enhanced experiences. That was in his 1999 biography, stirring some attention. Sagan's widow, Ann Druyan, is a director of NORML.
* Arnold Schwarzenegger - Smoked a blunt after winning the Mr Olympia title in the movie Pumping Iron.
* Sarah Silverman - claims to smoke at least four days a week.
* Howard Stern - Said to have smoked pot in high school, then wrote against it in his book Miss America.
* Hunter S. Thompson - In Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, he described his extreme use of cannabis and other drugs.
* Peter Tosh - Rastafari musician; wrote Legalise It; smoked on stage and was beaten by the police for it.
* Montel Williams - Advocate for medicinal cannabis, which he uses for multiple sclerosis.

[Cyrusbales]

sorry to hear about your bro but i have a question and please don't take offense. was he serious about his work? i know he was serious enough to have had that paper published had he not gotten derailed, but did it seem like something he had a drive for?

He was very interested, still keeps in touch with the whole thing, but not to the same extent, he seems to think everything is a conspiracy and designhed to screw other people over.

He was still a student when his paper attracted attention etc, he dropped out of uni for a life of unemployment and drugs. Now he works at a school.

He accepted an unconditional offer to study theoretical physics and stuff, so he was pretty serious! I don't take offense, so don't worry.

I hope that answers your question? Anything else? :)

[Fried Gold]

* At the Drive-In - U.S. American post-Hardcore band. Under the influence while recording Acrobatic Tenement.
* Billie Joe Armstrong - Vocalist-guitarist of Green Day. Wrote songs about using marijuana ("Longview"). In high school he sold joints for two dollars each, earning him the nickname "Two-Dollar Bill". Green Day means smoking weed all day.
* Louis Armstrong - Arrested in 1931 for possession, according to his 1971 autobiography. Fond of "muggles" all through his career.
* The Beatles - Symbols of 1960s drug use.
* Jack Black - Actor, musician (Tenacious D). Promotes legalizing marijuana, referring to opponents as "old ****ing shrivs" in the song "City Hall". Nominated for High Times' "Stoner of the Year". [8]
* Ian Brown - Singer, former frontman of The Stone Roses. Regularly smoked before performing.
* Manu Chao - World music icon, promotes legalizing marijuana, often sings Lalo Guerrero's song 'Marijuana Boogie' in concert.
* Dave Chappelle - Wrote and starred in the stoner film Half Baked, performed various weed-related skits on Chappelle's Show, and said he used the drug in his personal life. Recently (2006?) said he quit.
* Tommy Chong - He and Cheech Marin are the infamous stoner duo Cheech and Chong for the "cannabis culture" films. Still smoking.
* Bill Clinton - The U.S. President claimed he tried it but "never inhaled".
* George Clinton - Funk bands Parliament and Funkadelic. Legalization activist.
* Kurt Cobain - Used cannabis, among other drugs.
* Joe Cocker - At Woodstock he sang "Let's Go Get Stoned".
* Tre Cool - Drummer for Green Day. Supports legalization.
* Cypress Hill - The group sings pro-cannabis songs.
* Bob Denver - Actor. "Gilligan" on Gilligan's Island. Spent his later years using cannabis and raising goldfish.[9]
* Snoop Dogg - Rapper. Often smokes on stage, in his car, and on TV appearances. Has a room in his home for weed smoking, known as the Green Room. He claimed to have quit in 2003, only to relapse after 4 months.
* Dr. Dre - Rapper. Album The Chronic, which is a slang term for cannabis. His single "The Next Episode" popularized the phrase "Hey, hey, hey, hey, smoke weed every day."
* Bob Dylan - Singer-songwriter. Introduced the drug to the Beatles. Wrote the song Rainy Day Women #12 and 35, the chorus of which is a jubilant "But I would not feel so all alone. Everybody must get stoned!"
* The Game - A rapper who smokes in the studio. Has referred to the drug in songs.
* Allen Ginsberg - U.S. American Beat poet. Said "Pot is fun!" and "I smoke marijuana every chance I get."
* Gary Hall Jr. - Swimmer. Tested positive for cannabis in 1996, though THC was not yet banned. In 1998, he was suspended for three months. At the 2000 Olympics, he said he was clean and would never smoke again.
* Woody Harrelson - Pro-hemp activist; claims both recreational and meditative purposes. Narrated Grass, a film about the history of marijuana. Is a member of NORML.
* Prince Harry of Britain. After some controversy, was persuaded to stop.
* Jimi Hendrix - The guitarist-singer smoked on stage and in his limousine.
* Timothy Leary - U.S. American psychologist, 1960s counterculture icon, and campaigner for psychedelic drugs ("Turn on!"). Gave up smoking for medical reasons; ate the drug in Leary Biscuits.
* Ludacris - Atlanta, Georgia, rapper. Claims to smoke a large amount. Released "Blueberry Yum Yum," an ode to a strain of cannabis. Its video features him in a greenhouse smoking two "mega joints."
* Bill Maher - Comedian. NORML's Advisory Board. Frequently alludes to his smoking in HBO's Real Time with Bill Maher.
* Bob Marley - As a Rastafari, he defended cannabis, which he used as a sacrament. It is in many of his songs. On the cover of Catch a Fire, he smokes a large spliff.
* Rosa Meriläinen - Finnish politician. Confessed to having used when a representative.
* Method Man and Redman - Smoking weed abounds in their lyrics. "Method" is in the hip-hop collective Wu-Tang Clan who, except Ghostface, who stopped, smoke marijuana. The pair were in a commercial for St. Ide's. Made a comedic stoner flick, How High.
* George Michael - The pop icon claims to smoke too much.
* Robert Mitchum - American actor and singer. He used cannabis in the late 1940s and was the first Hollywood actor arrested for possession[10]. Smoked tobacco also.
* Mo Mowlam - Popular U.K. politician, said (parodying Bill Clinton) that she tried it and inhaled.
* Willie Nelson - NORML. They call him "America's most beloved marijuana smoker". His tour bus had an ashtray with several joints, live cannabis plants, and garbage bags full of the drug. [11]
* Bradley Nowell - Lead singer and guitarist for Sublime. Showed his love for cannabis in the song "Smoke Two Joints" on the album 40 oz. to Freedom.
* Ed O'Brien - British guitarist in Radiohead. Stoned while recording The Bends.
* Sean Paul - With Busta Rhymes, sang Gimme the Light, about cannabis.
* Carl Sagan - The scientist was an avid user of marijuana, though not admitted publicly. Under the pseudonym "Mr. X", he wrote about cannabis in Marihuana Reconsidered. In his essay, Sagan commented that marijuana encouraged some of his works and enhanced experiences. That was in his 1999 biography, stirring some attention. Sagan's widow, Ann Druyan, is a director of NORML.
* Arnold Schwarzenegger - Smoked a blunt after winning the Mr Olympia title in the movie Pumping Iron.
* Sarah Silverman - claims to smoke at least four days a week.
* Howard Stern - Said to have smoked pot in high school, then wrote against it in his book Miss America.
* Hunter S. Thompson - In Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, he described his extreme use of cannabis and other drugs.
* Peter Tosh - Rastafari musician; wrote Legalise It; smoked on stage and was beaten by the police for it.
* Montel Williams - Advocate for medicinal cannabis, which he uses for multiple sclerosis.Nice list, but who knows what awesome **** they could've come up with sans drug usage. I'll guess we'll never know.

[PLAS]

Nice list, but who knows what awesome **** they could've come up with sans drug usage. I'll guess we'll never know.
just a little example:

listen to The Beatles before they met Dylan, and all the stuff they created afterwards... Please, Please Me is in no way better than Sgt Pepper, is it?

not to mention comparing Pablo Honey to The Bends

[Fried Gold]

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Teri Diver (29) - pornographic actress, cardic arrest caused by overdose of migraine medication.
Kiki Djan - Ghanian musician, Osibisa, drug addiction and AIDS.
DJ Screw (29) - musician, heart attack thought to be result of codeine overdose.
Desmond Donnelly (53) - British politician/ Businessman/ Journalist, suicide under influence of alcohol/ overdose of barbiturates.
Tommy Dorsey (51) - jazz musician and bandleader, choked to death while sleeping with the aid of drugs.
John Dougherty - musician, Flipper, heroin overdose.
Nick Drake (26) - musician, anti-depressant overdose, disputed suicide.
Michael Dransfield (24) - poet, heroin overdose.
Bobby Driscoll (31) - actor, heart failure, long term drug abuse.
Bobby Duncum, Jr. - American professional wrestler, prescription drug overdose.
Anthony Durante - American professional wrestler, drugs overdose.
Jeanne Eagels (39) - actress, alcohol and/or heroin abuse.
John Entwistle (57) - musician, bassist for the Who, died from heart failure brought upon by cocaine use.
Brian Epstein (32) - Manager of The Beatles, drug overdose.
Howie Epstein (47) - musician, ex-bassist with Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers, heroin overdose.
Rick Evers - musician, drummer and songwriter, was married to Carole King, heroin overdose.
Chris Farley (33) - comedian, cocaine and heroin overdose (speedball).
Pete Farndon (31) - musician, the Pretenders, drowned/ heroin overdose.
Rainer Werner Fassbinder - playwright, director, cocaine overdose (possible suicide).
Brenda Fassie - South African singer, cocaine overdose.
W.C. Fields (67) - American performer and actor, complications of alcoholism.
Keith Ferguson - musician, the Fabulous Thunderbirds.
Althea Flynt - co-publisher of Hustler magazine, drowned after passing out after drug overdose.
Zac Foley (31) - musician, EMF, heroin, cocaine, ecstasy, barbiturates and alcohol in bloodstream.
Sigmund Freud - Austrian neurologist, physician assisted morphine overdose.
Rory Gallagher - musician, Taste, died of pnemonia and a liver failure, caused by side effects of a combination of doctor-prescribed drugs.
Paul Gardiner - musician, Tubeway Army, drug overdose.
Judy Garland - American singer and actress, disputed drug overdose as cause of death.
Lowell George - musician, Little Feat, heart attack - habitual drug abuse probable cause.
Andy Gibb - singer, younger brother of the Bee Gees; cardiac damage strongly exacerbated by cocaine and alcohol abuse.
Simon Gipps-Kent - British actor, morphine poisoning, suspected drugs overdose.
Candy Givens - musician, Zephyr, drowned in jacuzzi after passing out from a mix of alcohol and quaaludes.
Trevor Goddard - British former professional boxer turned actor, drugs overdose.
Alexander Godunov (45) - actor, died of alcoholism.
Dwayne Goettel - musician, Skinny Puppy, heroin overdose.
Paul Gonsalves (53) - jazz tenor saxophonist, Duke Ellington, narcotics overdose
Hermann Goring - Nazi officier, Head of Luftwaffe, suicided on cyanide before his hanging
Lucy Grealy (39) - American poet, presumed accidental drug overdose.
Sean Greenway - Australian indie musician, member of GOD, heroin overdose
Gribouille - French singer, drugs overdose.
Stacy Guess - musician, the Squirrel Nut Zippers, heroin overdose.
Paul Hammond - musician, Atomic Rooster, drug overdose (suicide).
Bobby Hatfield - musician, The Righteous Brothers, heart attack triggered by cocaine overdose.
Tim Hardin - folk musician, heroin and morphine overdose.
Brynn Hartman - wife and killer of comedian Phil Hartman, suicide after cocaine and alcohol.
Alex Harvey - musician,The Sensational Alex Harvey Band, liver damage caused by alcohol abuse.
Phyllis Haver - actress, intentional barbiturate overdose
Joey Hawthorne - American professional poker player, drug overdose.
Eddie Hazel - musician, guitarist, of the P-funk collective, liver failure.
Mitch Hedberg - American comedian, multiple drug toxicity (cocaine and heroin).
Helno (real name Noel Rota) - musician, Les Negresses Vertes, died trying to overcome serious drug addiction.
Tim Hemensley - Australian indie musician, member of GOD, heroin overdose
Margaux Hemingway (41) - actress, disputed suicide, overdose of sedatives.
Jimi Hendrix (27) - rock and roll musician, respiratory arrest caused by alcohol and barbiturate overdose and vomit inhalation.
Curt Hennig - professional wrestler, cocaine overdose.
Gregory Herbet - musician, Blood, Sweat & Tears.
Bob Hite - musician, Canned Heat, heart attack.
Randy Jo Hobbs - musician.
El Duce Hoke - musician, drummer and singer in the Mentors, hit by train when alcohol intoxicated (disputed murder theories).
Billie Holiday (45) - jazz singer died from cirrhosis of the liver attributed to longtime alcohol and heroin abuse.
Hollywood Fats - musician, heroin overdose.
Gary Holton - actor, Auf Wiedersehen, Pet, alcohol and morphine overdose.
James Honeyman-Scott - musician, the Pretenders, cocaine overdose.
Shannon Hoon (28) - musician, singer in Blind Melon, cocaine overdose.
L. Ron Hubbard (74) - Scientology founder, found with lethal amounts of Vistaril in his bloodstream, a fact covered up by Scientology
Howard Hughes (70) - aviator, an engineer, an industrialist, a movie producer, a playboy, liver failure - autopsy showed lethal amount of codeine and also valium in body (suffered from obsessive-compulsive disorder).

TBC

[Fried Gold]

Cont.

Elizabeth Hulette (42) - professional wrestling manager, accidential drug medication/alcohol mixing.
Harold Hunter (31) - American professional skateboarder and actor, apparent cocaine overdose.
Phyllis Hyman - singer, suicide involving pills.
Julio Jaramillo (42) - Ecuadorian singer, liver damage caused by alcohol.
Steven Ronald "Stevo" Jensen - musician, The Vandals, prescription drug overdose.
Joëlle, American born French singer, drug overdose.
Anissa Jones - actress (played "Buffy" on American T.V series Family Affair), accidential overdose of cocaine, angel dust, Quaaludes and Seconal.
Brian Jones - musician, the Rolling Stones, drowned, very likely due to alcohol and barbiturate intoxication.
Rob Jones (a.k.a. The Bass Thing) - musician - former bassist of The Wonder Stuff, heroin overdose.
Russell Jones (a.k.a. Ol' Dirty Bastard) - hip hop musician, accidential overdose, cocaine and prescription painkiller.
Janis Joplin (27) - rock and roll and blues musician, heroin overdose.
Joachim Nielsen - musician, heroin overdose.
John Kahn - musician, Jerry Garcia Band, complications of heart disease, heroin, cocaine, and antidepressants found in his body.
Wells Kelly - musician, Orleans, heroin overdose.
David Kennedy - fourth child of Robert F. Kennedy, cocaine and Demerol overdose.
Jack Kerouac - writer/poet, complications due to alcoholism.
Bernard Kettlewell - British lepidopterist and medical doctor, drugs overdose.
Kenny Kirkland - musician, noted pianist, heroin overdose.
John Kordic - Canadian hockey player, died during struggle with police after cocaine overdose.
Paul Kossoff - musician, Free, drug-related heart problems.
Eddie Kurdziel - musician, Redd Kross, drug overdose.
Arcadia Lake - American pornographic actress, drug overdose.
Barbara La Marr - actress, drug-related death in Hollywood.
Karen Lancaume - French pornographic actress, overdose of medication (suicide).
Carole Landis - actress, overdose of barbiturates (suicide).
Peter Laughner - musician, Pere Ubu, acute pancreatitis.
Rudy Lewis - musician, the Drifters.
Mike Lockwood - American professional wrestler, choked on his own vomit after overdose of painkillers and alcohol.
Trinity Loren (real name: Joyce Evelyn McPherson) - American porn star, model, and stripper, accidental overdose of prescription painkillers.
Bela Lugosi (73) - actor, drug-related heart attack.
Zoe Tamerlis Lund - former child American musical prodigy turned model, actress, and writer, heart failure due to heroin use.
Frankie Lymon - musician, doo wop singer, heroin overdose.
Aaron Lynch - writer on memetics, opiate-based painkiller overdose (coroner ruled accidental death)
Phil Lynott - musician, Thin Lizzy, health breakdown caused by a heroin overdose.
Billy Mackenzie - musician, the Associates, overdosed on prescription drugs (suicide).
Steve Marriott - musician, The Small Faces and Humble Pie, drug related fire.
Billy Martin - Major League Baseball player and manager, alcohol-related auto accident.
James McCallum Bronson - stepson of actor Charles Bronson, drug overdose.
David McComb (36) - musician, The Triffids, heroin overdose.
Jimmy McCulloch musician with Wings, guitarist, heroin overdose.
Pig Pen McKernan - musician, the Grateful Dead, gastrointestinal hemorrhage linked to alcohol abuse.
Robbie McIntosh - musician, Average White Band, heroin overdose.
Clyde McPhatter - singer.
Jonathan Melvoin - touring keyboardist for the Smashing Pumpkins, heroin overdose.
Big Maceo Merriweather (47) - blues pianist, chronic alcoholism
Mighty Spoiler - calypso music singer.
Miss Christine - musician, the GTO's, heroin overdose.
Amedeo Modigliani - painter, alcohol poisoning.
Marilyn Monroe - actress, overdose of sleeping pills.
Ken Montgomery - musician, D.O.A.
Keith Moon - musician, the Who, overdosed on anti-seizure medication prescribed for alcoholism.
Chester Morris - actor, drug overdose.
Jim Morrison (27) - musician, the Doors, heroin and alcohol (cause and fact of death disputed).
Billy Murcia - musician, the New York Dolls, accidental suffocation after drugs and alcohol.
Brent Mydland - musician, keyboardist, of the Grateful Dead, cocaine/morphine overdose.
Modest Mussorgsky - classical composer, alcohol.
Daniel Christopher Murray - Died of a heroin overdose. Lead singer in a band called, Murray and the Shaggy Dogs.
Dave Murray - Porn Star. Fell from a balcony after a crack overdose.
Delphine Neid - musician, The Nuns, drugs overdose.
Joachim Nielsen (36) - Norwegian rock musician, drug overdose
Bradley Nowell - musician, Sublime, heroin overdose.
Hugh O'Connor - actor, of In the Heat of the Night TV series, suicide under influence of cocaine.
Lani O'Grady - actress, of Eight Is Enough.
Frank O'Keefe - musician, the Outlaws.
Johnny O'Keefe - musician, singer, heart attack after prescription drugs addiction.
Christina Onassis - daughter of the billionaire Aristotle Onassis, pulmonary edema, caused by constant drug abuse and dramatic weight changes.
Charlie Ondras - musician, Unsane.
Bryan Ottoson - musician, American Head Charge, accidental prescription-drug overdose.
Malcolm Owen - singer, lyricist of the Ruts, heroin overdose.
Marco Pantani - cyclist, Tour de France winner; acute cocaine intoxication.
Charlie Parker - jazz musician; the official cause of death was (lobar) pneumonia and a bleeding ulcer, his death was hastened by his drug and alcohol abuse
Robert Pastorelli - American television actor, heroin overdose.
Gram Parsons - country musician, of the Byrds and the Flying Burrito Brothers, overdose, purportedly of morphine and tequila.
Joe Pass - jazz musician.
Jon-Jon Paulos - musician, the Buckinghams.
Chris Penn (40) - Brother of Actor Sean Penn, heart disease and prescription drugs.
Art Pepper - jazz musician.
Chris Pettiet (24) - American actor, accidential drug overdose.
Jack Pickford (36) - American actor, syphilis & alcohol and drug abuse.
Kristen Pfaff - musician, ex-member of Hole, heroin overdose.
Esther Phillips - musician, singer, liver and kidney failue due to alcohol and heroin dependency.
John Phillips - musician, of the Mamas and the Papas, heart failure due to lifetime of alcohol and narcotics abuse.
River Phoenix (23) - actor, overdose of heroin and cocaine (speedball).
Jeffrey Lee Pierce (37) - musician, the Gun Club.
Rob Pilatus (32) - musician, Milli Vanilli, drug overdose.
Dana Plato (34) - actress, of Diff'rent Strokes, suicide - overdose of Vanadom and Vicodin.
Jackson Pollock (44) - American painter; killed in a single-car accident while driving drunk.
Elvis Presley (42) - singer, heart attack brought on by overdose of barbiturates.
Freddie Prinze (22) - comic, actor (Chico and the Man), self-inflicted gunshot wound while under the influence of Quaaludes.
Robert Quine - musician, guitar player, Richard Hell & the Voidoids, suicide by heroin overdose.
Glenn Quinn (32) - actor, heroin overdose.
Carl Radle (37) - bass guitarist, Derek and the Dominos, Eric Clapton, kidney disease due to long term narcotics and alcohol abuse
Dee Dee Ramone - musician, the Ramones, heroin overdose.
James Ray - singer, drug overdose.
Johnnie Ray - musician, liver failure caused by alcoholism.
Wallace Reid - actor, flu caused by morphine addiction.
Jimmy Reilly (17) - musician, Watertower West and Tony And The Tigers, heroin and alcohol overdose.
Elis Regina (36) - Brazilian singer, drug interaction.
Rob Graves Ritter - musician, Thelonius Monster, Gun Club, the Bags, 45 Grave.
Rachel Roberts - British actress - barbiturate overdose (suicide).
Andy Rogers - musician, bassist with Johnny Cash, heroin overdose.
Peter Rosen - musician, War.
Alma Rubens - actress, flu caused by heroin addiction.
Michael Rudetsky - musician, keyboardist, Culture Club, heroin overdose.
David Ruffin - musician, the Temptations, drug overdose.
George Sanders - British actor, baribituates overdose (suicide).
Joe Schermie - musician, Three Dog Night, heart attack resulting from long-term drug abuse
Bon Scott - musician, AC/DC, aspiration brought on by alcohol intoxication.
Jean Seberg - actress.
Jason Sears - musician, Rich Kids on LSD, treatment with natural drugs.
Edie Sedgwick - actress.
Nerine Shatner - wife of actor William Shatner, drowned in swimming pool while intoxicated and with traces of valium in bloodstream.
Bobby Sheehan - musician, Blues Traveler, drug overdose.
Eric Show - baseball player, cocaine and heroin overdose (speedball).
Pavlos Sidiropoulos - Greek rock musician, heroin overdose.
Judee Sill - folk musician, heroin overdose.
Don Simpson - film producer, heart attack, reports of 20 drugs in his body at time of death.
Hillel Slovak (26) - musician, Red Hot Chili Peppers, heroin overdose.
Davey Boy Smith (39) - British professional wrestler, heart attack - steroid abuse may have contributed.
Freddy Soto - comedian, writer and actor, mixture of alcohol, Xanax® and fentanyl.
Epic Soundtracks - musician, Swell Maps.
Louie Spicolli - American professional wrestler, choked on vomit after drugs and alcohol overdose.
Layne Staley (34) - musician, Alice in Chains, cocaine and heroin overdose (speedball).
Joey Stefano (26) - pornographic actor, overdose of cocaine, morphine, heroin and ketamine.
Inger Stevens - American actress, suicide - overdose of sleeping pills.
Rory Storm - musician, suicide - sleeping pills overdose.
Margaret Sullavan (48) - American actress, deliberate barbiturate overdose.
Paige Summers - American pornographic model & actress, drug overdose.
Screaming Lord Sutch - singer and politician, suicide following Prozac overdose.
Vinnie Taylor - musician, Sha Na Na, heroin overdose.
Gary Thain - musician, Uriah Heep, drug overdose.
Jason Thirsk (28) - musician, Pennywise, suicide after depression and alcoholism treatment.
Jotie T'Hooft - poet, drug overdose, suicide.
Johnny Thunders - musician, the New York Dolls, alcohol and methadone poisoning.
Dylan Thomas - poet, chronic alcoholism.
Georg Trakl - playwright, cocaine overdose.
D. M. Turner (34) - author/psychonaut , drowned in a bathtub while on ketamine.
Stu Ungar (45) - Three-time World Series of Poker Main Event winner, heart condition caused by long-term cocaine abuse.
Enrique Urquijo - Spanish singer, drug overdose.
Townes Van Zandt - folk musician.
Lupe Vélez, actress, secobarbital overdose (suicide).
Sid Vicious (21) - musician, the Sex Pistols, heroin overdose, disputed suicide
Gene Vincent - rock and roll musician, liver damage caused by alcohol.
Robert Hudson Walker, actor, died suddenly after being administered sodium amytal by his doctor.
Shelby Walker, (31) - American female boxer and Martial Arts fighter, apparent medicine overdose.
Jeremy Michael Ward, musician, The Mars Volta, apparent heroin overdose.
Dinah Washington, musician, overdose of diet pills and alcohol .
Rachel Whitear - British student, heroin overdose led to large-scale anti-drugs press campaign in Britain.
Brett Whiteley, artist, heroin overdose.
Keith Whitley, country musician, alcohol poisoning.
Danny Whitten - musician, Crazy Horse, drug overdose or drugs with alcohol (disputed).
Alan Wilson - musician, Canned Heat, drug overdose (possible suicide).
Dennis Wilson (39) - musician, The Beach Boys, alcohol-related drowning
Hank Williams, musician, drugs and probably alcohol.
Kenneth Williams (62) - actor, author and comedian of Carry On fame, overdose of barbiturates (accidental or suicide).
Linda Wong - pornographic actress, overdose on Xanax, chlorlhydrate and alcohol.
Andrew Wood - musician, Mother Love Bone, heroin overdose.
Anna Wood (15) - Australian schoolgirl, cerebral edema, caused by water intoxication and resultant hyponatremia after taking ecstasy.
Natalie Wood - actress, drowned when intoxicated.
Paula Yates (40) - British TV presenter & author, partner of deceased INXS star, Michael Hutchence, heroin overdose.

[Fried Gold]

Incidently, I'm aware that the above list does not necessarily pertain to marijuana usage, but it's enough to put me off the idea off any illegal drug usage.

I'm going to close off on this thread for now, because I've finished work and I would very much like to go home and masturbate.

[Cyrusbales]

Should we list all the people who have done great stuff without drugs?

[DorkyFresh]

He was still a student when his paper attracted attention etc, he dropped out of uni for a life of unemployment and drugs. Now he works at a school.

I hope that answers your question? Anything else? :)

nah man, i appreciate it. it's a shame he let weed get in the way of his success, but it happens. i'm not gonna deny that there are people out there that will let weed stop them from doing something great. admittedly it's addicting but as i said before (and once again, no offense) marijuana addiction is always a personal problem...not a medical one (ala cocaine, heroine, alcohol).

[Overman27pj]

Hold up.......

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Smoke weed everyday!

[PLAS]

and yet, none of them died for using pot

[PLAS]

Incidently, I'm aware that the above list does not necessarily pertain to marijuana usage, but it's enough to put me off the idea off any illegal drug usage.

I'm going to close off on this thread for now, because I've finished work and I would very much like to go home and masturbate.
in other words:

"I'm sorry that my plan to prove a point backfired in me, thus making me look like an ass, so now I'll go hide my head in shame"

[PLAS]

Should we list all the people who have done great stuff without drugs?
you could try, still most of them would at some point or another may have consumed at least coffee or something else

[DorkyFresh]

wow Fried Gold! you've successfully convinced me...



...that you aren't willing to put in the effort into properly researching the drug. instead you made a half-assed attempt at finding people who've died of hard drugs and don't have marijuana or weed as cause of death. hell, most of those people don't even have weed listed. if you think marijuana is anywhere near the same level of heroin or meth then it's a true testament to your ignorance on the subject.

[KingOfDreams]

Jesus that took forever to load. Anyway, to quote Bill Hicks, it serves a thousand different purposes, all of them positive. I'm convinced it's safer than alcohol too.

[KingOfDreams]

double post

[Ice-man]

you know from what i can recall there has never been any incident ware anyone was ever really injured or died from Marijuana usage.

i mean using Marijuana alot can lead to harder drugs, but only if you feel its nessasary to go try it and do it, its all option, i smoke still, not as much as i used to, like i said i cut down, I've been doing it almost a year and trust me its all ill pretty much ever do, i never wana do coke, shoot up herowin or consume shrooms.

the only thing besides weed I've ever consumed was salvia, its similar to a weed but it alters perception and gives you a bit of a trip. take some of that purple 80x **** and you'll see things that will scare the **** out of you.

i had a bad trip last weekend. probably never doing it again.


but still Marijuana is the drug for me, nothing else but in a few years i will try acid, as I've heard it will open up your mind to the unimaginable. should be quite a trip.

but i wont touch that till im old enough and mature enough to think i can handle it.

[Fried Gold]

in other words:

"I'm sorry that my plan to prove a point backfired in me, thus making me look like an ass, so now I'll go hide my head in shame"As opposed to what? Your point that some people who smoked weed wrotes some acceptable music? How about the thousands that possibly threw away promising careers due to marijuana? How about Cyrusbales' brother? How about my band's ex-cellist? We'll never get to hear about their accomplishments because they threw them away in order to feel slightly weird for a bit. If you and the others can bring up alcohol as a legal drug that causes ****, then surely I could bring up other illegal drugs that cause ****.

So people use marijuana to alleviate pain from cataracts or what have you because the medical system in many countries doesn't have a culture of holistic pain relief. But that's one use for one drug. Any other 'legitimate' uses for otherwise purely recreational drugs are highly controversial and their is no evidence to support their validity.

Until then, I'll stick to my guns and keep up the somewhat heavy-handed approach that drugs are not cool (because it's still the case that most kids get into drugs through peer-pressure, not through a perceived need or desire to be intoxicated). It's heavy-handed, sure, but so far it's worked a hell of lot better than saying "do what you like as long as you don't pass out on my front lawn".

Look, you're free to agree or disagree with me, but my personal belief is that the human mind is a magnificient thing, capable of astounding feats, amazing strength, incredible creativity and resourcefulness. It has an infinite capacity for learning and for development. In my view, sticking drugs in there is like dumping crude oil in the ocean. Any altered consciousness you experience is false because it's chemically induced. Any mood lift you get from it is just a band-aid over the fact that if you didn't have the drugs you wouldn't feel as good. In fact, I think one of the main reasons why I despise drugs so much is because they make you feel emotions that aren't real. The calm you feel when you smoke pot is not there because your mind is at rest and your life is stress-free. The boost of energy you get from doing speed or coke is not a sign of good health and robust stamina. The love you feel for everything when you drop E isn't because you're genuinely an effusively affectionate person. It's all false, totally false. It's pretending with chemicals and I hate it.

Out.

[Halcohol]

Hold up.......

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Smoke weed everyday!
Nicely done :up:

[DorkyFresh]

Any other 'legitimate' uses for otherwise purely recreational drugs are highly controversial and their is no evidence to support their validity.
once again, BS due to the fact that you won't do proper research on the subject. there's PLENTY of evidence out there...you just haven't looked.

Look, you're free to agree or disagree with me, but my personal belief is that the human mind is a magnificient thing, capable of astounding feats, amazing strength, incredible creativity and resourcefulness. It has an infinite capacity for learning and for development. In my view, sticking drugs in there is like dumping crude oil in the ocean.
that's because you haven't done any research on the subject.

In fact, I think one of the main reasons why I despise drugs so much is because they make you feel emotions that aren't real.
you say drugs make you feel emotions that aren't real, yet you haven't even tried or experienced any of them.

It's all false, totally false. It's pretending with chemicals and I hate it.
you know...if you smoked a lil' greenery every once in a while maybe you'd learn to practice love instead of hate.

[Fried Gold]

once again, BS due to the fact that you won't do proper research on the subject. there's PLENTY of evidence out there...you just haven't looked.Well the burden is on you to show me legitimate use that isn't medically prescribed.
you say drugs make you feel emotions that aren't real, yet you haven't even tried or experienced any of them.That's because it's a scientific fact. I also don't need to actually go into space to know that I can't breathe there.

[DorkyFresh]

Well the burden is on you to show me legitimate use that isn't medically prescribed.

it ain't up to me to do sh** for you. i'm not your assistant researcher...if you want to learn about the plant, google is a click away. if you want to remain ignorant on the subject then that's on you...

...but in the unlikely case that you DO decide to do some REAL research on the subject then here's a taste of what you'll find out.

The Declaration of INDEPENDENCE was printed on hemp paper. Betsey Ross sewed "Old Glory" the first American FLAG from hemp. The Gutenberg BIBLE was printed on Hemp paper. In WWII hemp was used as rope for parachutes.

[Fried Gold]

The Declaration of INDEPENDENCE was printed on hemp paper. Betsey Ross sewed "Old Glory" the first American FLAG from hemp. The Gutenberg BIBLE was printed on Hemp paper. In WWII hemp was used as rope for parachutes.LOLOLOLOLOL!!1!1 Because that's exactly the context of the drug we're discussing in this thread...

Sorry man, I guess I misunderstood all those dudes in their basements monged out of their minds... they didn't want to use the drug to relax, they want it legalised so that they can use it as paper! Oh man, is there egg on my face or what...

[Erzengel]

So has The Mafia Kid, Ice-Man posted in here yet?

[DorkyFresh]

your problem, fried gold, is that you think everyone who wants the drug to be legalized wants it legalized for the sole purpose of smoking it and while that may ring true for other stoners and potheads...i like to look @ the bigger picture where doctors, scientists, engineers, and farmers that DON'T smoke support it also.

i just gave you legitimate reasons why the drug should at least be considered for regulation/legalization but as predicted you ignored it and played the "stoner" card for the umpteenth time. once you get your head out of your ass, grow up, and stop stereotyping we can continue. until then...ignorance is bliss i guess.

[Fried Gold]

your problem, golf fried, is that you think everyone who wants the drug to be legalized wants it legalized for the sole purpose of smoking it and while that may ring true for other stoners and potheads...i like to look @ the bigger picture where doctors, scientists, engineers, and farmers that DON'T smoke support it also.

i just gave you legitimate reasons why the drug should at least be considered for regulation/legalization but as predicted you ignored it and played the "stoner" card for the umpteenth time. once you get your head out of your ass, grow up, and stop stereotyping we can continue. until then...ignorance is bliss i guess.Y'know, I've changed my mind. I now want to keep it illegal just to piss off people like you. The stoners can do whatever they like.

[DorkyFresh]

once again practicing hate. it's okay...hemp is already illegal in this country there's nothing to be pissed about. it could stay illegal until i die...i still won't be pissed. besides, if i ever DO get pissed off enough i'll just move to Canada where it's been decriminalized... :P

[Cyrusbales]

Well weed can cause problems, it may not kill but it does do other damage

[DorkyFresh]

of course...if one lets it, it can rule a person but it doesn't cause significant health problems unless one is deathly ill in the first place. the damage that weed causes to a person is damage that the person lets happen.

[PLAS]

As opposed to what? Your point that some people who smoked weed wrotes some acceptable music? How about the thousands that possibly threw away promising careers due to marijuana?

you said it yourself "possibly", and a little bit of research might prove you that all those people threw their careers and lives away for many other reasons other than marijuana



How about Cyrusbales' brother? How about my band's ex-cellist? We'll never get to hear about their accomplishments because they threw them away in order to feel slightly weird for a bit.

I'd put the blame on many other things also, like low self esteem, highly prone to succumb to other's influence, addiction to harder drugs, etc.


If you and the others can bring up alcohol as a legal drug that causes ****, then surely I could bring up other illegal drugs that cause ****.

but you are aware that the damage a joint does to your body is more equivalent to drinking a cup of tea right? which is nowhere near the damage that other drugs do to your body and mind

So people use marijuana to alleviate pain from cataracts or what have you because the medical system in many countries doesn't have a culture of holistic pain relief. But that's one use for one drug. Any other 'legitimate' uses for otherwise purely recreational drugs are highly controversial and their is no evidence to support their validity.

why do you drink beer?

Until then, I'll stick to my guns and keep up the somewhat heavy-handed approach that drugs are not cool (because it's still the case that most kids get into drugs through peer-pressure, not through a perceived need or desire to be intoxicated). It's heavy-handed, sure, but so far it's worked a hell of lot better than saying "do what you like as long as you don't pass out on my front lawn".

good parenting will always be above peer-pressure

Look, you're free to agree or disagree with me, but my personal belief is that the human mind is a magnificient thing, capable of astounding feats, amazing strength, incredible creativity and resourcefulness. It has an infinite capacity for learning and for development.
then why do you waste it by eating meat?

In my view, sticking drugs in there is like dumping crude oil in the ocean. Any altered consciousness you experience is false because it's chemically induced.

then, why do you drink?


Any mood lift you get from it is just a band-aid over the fact that if you didn't have the drugs you wouldn't feel as good. In fact, I think one of the main reasons why I despise drugs so much is because they make you feel emotions that aren't real.

why do you drink alcohol then?


The calm you feel when you smoke pot is not there because your mind is at rest and your life is stress-free.
why do you drink beer?

The boost of energy you get from doing speed or coke is not a sign of good health and robust stamina. The love you feel for everything when you drop E isn't because you're genuinely an effusively affectionate person. It's all false, totally false. It's pretending with chemicals and I hate it.

Out.[/QUOTE]

you know, someone way smarter than you or me once said that hate is never the answer for anything


maybe your problem is not with people who do drugs, or the drugs themselves, maybe it's you, don't you think?

otherwise, you wouldn't drink

[amazingfantasy15]

I really don't find anything wrong with weed, just like any other drug (legal, ie beer, prescriptions and illegal) you can become addicted if you allow yourself too and I truly believe it's up to the individual whether or not to let the drug conrol you. I know plenty of people from college who have tried a whole lot of drugs and only 3 who I feel have let it affect their life. I was a pothead in college and smoked for a few years afterward, but it never interfered with school or my job and quit "cold turkey" at some point and I never even recognized it, just didn't feel like smoking anymore, didn't even think about it until a few months later and realized from some unknown reason I didn't want to smoke anymore. That said, I would never demonize weed or anyone who does smoke as long as they don't let the drug control them, then it's fair game to make fun of them.

[WTFimVENOM]

Why is it that fried gold is being such a dick?
He keeps talking about these terrible things that happen to pot smokers when in reality most of it is BS, and even more strange is that none of this would even effect him since he believes that weed is such a bad plant that he would never touch the stuff. If these BS negatives were actually real then what does he care if ppl besides himself want to take part in the fun? In reality, there are legal substances everywhere that can actually do much more harm, besides alcohol, I mean just because rope can be used to hang ones self that doesnt mean we should make rope illegal :huh: and so why is it that Fried Gold is so against this substance that really doesnt do much other than waste millions in US gov funding in order to keep the most widely used drug in the world out of the hands of ppl who just want to have a good time?? And all the stories about the poor ppl who fell victim to the evil cannibus plant, powerless to resist its un-physically addicting nature are really not good arguments against marijuanna, I mean anybody who abuses a substance will have to pay the price whether its weed, alcohol, or any of the other drugs that can actually kill.....

[Movies205]

I do my best reading when I'm stoned. When I'm sober, I usually use context to skip words that I don't know. When I'm stoned, that doesn't work, so I actually look up unknown words, write notes in the margin, read through it two or three times, and generally memorize all the arguments of a paper or journal. I've forgotten quite a few of the journals I've read, but never the one's that I read when I was stoned.



That has to do with cannabis being illegal in the first place. That's like saying drinking will lead you into the mafia.

Actually I'm for the legalizaton of weed sincE I don't see it as that bad... I mean I'm not against weed. But the saddest cases I meet in life, are usually the stoners who do nothing but sit around smoking weed, talking about the big break they'll never get because of the man....

[Ice-man]

So has The Mafia Kid, Ice-Man posted in here yet?


why hes i did, hello...

[Fried Gold]

Why is it that fried gold is being such a dick?
He keeps talking about these terrible things that happen to pot smokers when in reality most of it is BS, and even more strange is that none of this would even effect him since he believes that weed is such a bad plant that he would never touch the stuff. If these BS negatives were actually real then what does he care if ppl besides himself want to take part in the fun? In reality, there are legal substances everywhere that can actually do much more harm, besides alcohol, I mean just because rope can be used to hang ones self that doesnt mean we should make rope illegal :huh: and so why is it that Fried Gold is so against this substance that really doesnt do much other than waste millions in US gov funding in order to keep the most widely used drug in the world out of the hands of ppl who just want to have a good time?? And all the stories about the poor ppl who fell victim to the evil cannibus plant, powerless to resist its un-physically addicting nature are really not good arguments against marijuanna, I mean anybody who abuses a substance will have to pay the price whether its weed, alcohol, or any of the other drugs that can actually kill.....http://secretunicornsforum.com/forum/images/smiles/kidsthesedays.jpg

[ScottyBBadd]

Why legalize it? Hahah. Pretty much anybody who wants it doesn't have much trouble finding it, and I'm scared that if it's legalized it'll get super taxed. :(

Taxing it to death is the biggest argument for leagalization.

[WTFimVENOM]

http://secretunicornsforum.com/forum/images/smiles/kidsthesedays.jpg

:csad: Come on fried gold, I know u can make a better argument than that man, let me have it :woot:

[Sandman138]

Actually I'm for the legalizaton of weed sincE I don't see it as that bad... I mean I'm not against weed. But the saddest cases I meet in life, are usually the stoners who do nothing but sit around smoking weed, talking about the big break they'll never get because of the man....

Having crossed paths with quite a few total pothead stoners I can say that just about each and every one of them were pathetic lazy *******s whether they were stoned or sober.

[Sandman138]

Well the burden is on you to show me legitimate use that isn't medically prescribed.

Music has no legitimate use: BAN IT!!
Protected Sex has no legitimate use: From now on all condoms, diaphrams, and/or birth control pills shall be punishable by up to five years prison time and/or fines... plus lawyers fees.
Trashy romance novels have no legitimate use: I smell a BOOK BURNING
Video games have no legitimate use: Jack Thompson was RIGHT!!! :eek:
Nipples on men have no legitimate use: Mother Nature better have a damn good lawyer.
Internet forums have no legitimate use: Which is why I have just reported you to the Department of Homeland Security.

That's because it's a scientific fact. I also don't need to actually go into space to know that I can't breathe there.

You do realize that any substance/external influence causes chemical changes in your brain. You realize that your entire perception of the world can be traced to biochemical changes stimulating the nervous system. Hell, while we're on it, you realize that not only do our bodies contain cannabinoid receptors, our bodies produce their own endocannabinoids.

"The current understanding recognizes the role that endocannabinoids play in almost every major life function in the human body. Cannabinoids act as a bioregulatory mechanism for most life processes, which reveals why medical cannabis has been cited as treatments for many diseases and ailments in anecdotal reports and scientific literature. Some of these ailments include: pain, arthritic conditions, migraine headaches, anxiety, epileptic seizures, insomnia, loss of appetite, GERD (chronic heartburn), nausea, glaucoma, AIDS wasting syndrome, depression, bipolar disorder (particularly depression-manic-normal), multiple sclerosis, menstrual cramps, Parkinson's, trigeminal neuralgia (tic douloureux), high blood pressure, irritable bowel syndrome, and bladder incontinence."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endocannabinoids#Endogenous_Cannabinoids

[Kelly]

Why is it that fried gold is being such a dick?
He keeps talking about these terrible things that happen to pot smokers when in reality most of it is BS, and even more strange is that none of this would even effect him since he believes that weed is such a bad plant that he would never touch the stuff. If these BS negatives were actually real then what does he care if ppl besides himself want to take part in the fun? In reality, there are legal substances everywhere that can actually do much more harm, besides alcohol, I mean just because rope can be used to hang ones self that doesnt mean we should make rope illegal :huh: and so why is it that Fried Gold is so against this substance that really doesnt do much other than waste millions in US gov funding in order to keep the most widely used drug in the world out of the hands of ppl who just want to have a good time?? And all the stories about the poor ppl who fell victim to the evil cannibus plant, powerless to resist its un-physically addicting nature are really not good arguments against marijuanna, I mean anybody who abuses a substance will have to pay the price whether its weed, alcohol, or any of the other drugs that can actually kill.....

Why do you care what Fried Gold thinks????:cwink:

If you have your opinion....you have your opinion.

Just state your facts and move on....your facts are probably correct and probably disprove alot of his.

[WTFimVENOM]

Why do you care what Fried Gold thinks????:cwink:

If you have your opinion....you have your opinion.

Just state your facts and move on....your facts are probably correct and probably disprove alot of his.
:woot: lol, Its not even Fried gold's opinion that concerns me, its just his general attitude, I mean the guy changed his opinion against weed from ignoring facts and making misguided assumptions to later on just outright saying that he would like to keep it illegal just to piss off us...

[Kelly]

:woot: lol, Its not even Fried gold's opinion that concerns me, its just his general attitude, I mean the guy changed his opinion against weed from ignoring facts and making misguided assumptions to later on just outright saying that he would like to keep it illegal just to piss off us...

Weeeellll he's getting what he wants then, isn't he????:cwink:

[WTFimVENOM]

Weeeellll he's getting what he wants then, isn't he????:cwink:
:csad: yes he is..... we are feeding right into his sick little game!!! :cmad:
:woot: lol

[Kelly]

:csad: yes he is..... we are feeding right into his sick little game!!! :cmad:
:woot: lol


BINGO....:oldrazz:

[Fried Gold]

I mean the guy changed his opinion against weed from ignoring facts and making misguided assumptions to later on just outright saying that he would like to keep it illegal just to piss off us...Because I was being deadly serious when I did that...

[DorkyFresh]

:csad: yes he is..... we are feeding right into his sick little game!!! :cmad:
:woot: lol

not me anymore...reading his posts is a buzz-kill man.

[SpideyInATree]

So, who all here toked up before they saw Spider-Man 3?

I had a nice hot box session right before going into the theater.

GREAT movie.

[Master Chief]

lol, I went to see it in IMAX. And during the opening light show, I really wished I was stoned.