Should Hitler be in First Avenger: Captain America? [Archive]

KangConquers

08-01-2008, 05:40 PM

avengerscaptain

08-01-2008, 05:44 PM

As we all know, First Avenger: Captain America is set to be a period piece, set in the 1940s. The Red Skull will obviously be the villain and such a movie, and that character was something of an apprentice of Hitler's. So should Hitler be in Captain America? Would it be a sign of the movie taking itself too seriously if he was? Would it hurt the movie if he wasn't there, and Red Skull just refered to him as an off screen presence.

I think Hitler should be in the movie and maybe just have one scene showing him. And through the rest of the movie just have him being mentioned as working with the Red Skull. That way it won't be "ALL ABOUT HITLER".

And I think this movie will have a more serious approach to it.

Great topic Kang!:cwink:

OwlBoy

08-01-2008, 06:01 PM

Split the difference and have Adenoid Hynkel

http://dryden.eastmanhouse.org/media/greatdictator.jpg

BLACKVULCAN

08-01-2008, 06:14 PM

No Hilter.
..... but maybe there could be a picture of him in the Red Skull's office kinda like Colonel Klink in Hogan's Heroes! :cwink: haha

cerealkiller182

08-01-2008, 06:26 PM

I said yes cause i didnt realize what the 3rd option said. Nothing more than a cameo. A little more than The Last Crusade

FaT_tONle

08-01-2008, 06:38 PM

Archive footage and a mention of course. Several mentions which is obvious considering it's the freaking war an he is the leader of the axis, but nothing more than what we normally get in other WW2 films... a mention coupled with archive footage. In IJ: Last Crusade he was in there for COMEDY. That wouldn't work in a Cap film because Cap would kill him on the spot.

cerealkiller182

08-01-2008, 06:45 PM

The example was not to be taken literally

I meant a stand in for scenes where the Red Skull may meet Hitler or something. A cameo like I said where Hitler makes an appearance.

Heretic

08-01-2008, 06:54 PM

I dont mind the use of archival footage. Just "Forest Gump" Red Skull into the scene and you're good to go.

FaT_tONle

08-01-2008, 06:57 PM

I don't think we should see the actor's face. Just a stand in giving speeches or walking away from Skull with his back turned to the camera just after a meeting. Just use archive footage for the full presence if you need that.

bunk

08-01-2008, 07:32 PM

Nobody wants to see him get decked by Cap like the famous cover? Obviously he'd get away from Cap after the fact. I'm kind of on the fence about him. I would probably leave it to archival footage in the end.

Scooter

08-02-2008, 12:30 AM

Maybe an offhand mention or something, but he needn't actually show up.

KangConquers

08-02-2008, 12:44 AM

Maybe an offhand mention or something, but he needn't actually show up.

I think I'm leaning that way.

I'd rather see Skull interact with Zemo, Strucker, Arnim Zola or hell, maybe a young Alek Lukin than see him interact with a fictionalized version of Hitler.

DACrowe

08-02-2008, 01:45 AM

Archive footage and him being mentioned quite a bit, but I don't want to see him as a character. Way too cheesy and dumb.

Pandah

08-02-2008, 04:35 AM

I don't think we really need face time since technically, he isn't our villain so the question you need to ask is "Is he needed to complete the story?" and i say no. A mention, Archive footage, that kind of thing is enough.

I don't think putting him in the movie will be seen as disrespectful to the people that lost their lives or the familes of those people otherwise no one would ever do it, but i don't think he's neccessary.

Asteroid-Man

08-02-2008, 11:04 AM

Not prominently but not just mentioned either. Something like in the Last Crusade maybe a bit more. Maybe Cap could break up a meeting and punch Hitler in the jaw like in his first appearance then the Nazis could pull him to safety as the Red Skull comes into play.

Brian Braddock

08-02-2008, 02:23 PM

I wouldn't exactly have him as the main villain or anything but I'd say there has to be some reference to Hitler at some point in the movie - even if it's Red Skull only mentioning 'De Fuhrer'.

The movie will be trying to ground itself in as much reality as is possible so having Skull answerable to Hitler makes sense.

Hell, even if it's only a 'Last Crusade' type cameo as A.M. says (only not played for laughs) - I say he has to get a mention at least.

Obi-Ron

08-02-2008, 03:11 PM

Nobody wants to see him get decked by Cap like the famous cover?

Totally.
:word:

DACrowe

08-02-2008, 04:32 PM

Look at the Indy Jones movies, the first one mentioned him quite a bit but we never saw him. I like that.

Kahran Ramsus

08-03-2008, 12:46 AM

Hitler to me has always been more frightening as this unseen Blofeld-esque powerful figure who's reach stretches across the globe, than in the flesh. You will find in that in movies dealing with the period that Hitler rarely shows up, unless he happens to be a central character in the film. If a film like Patton which is probably my favourite World War II movie ever can get away without Hitler, I don't see where he needs to be in Captain America.

hippie_hunter

08-03-2008, 12:51 AM

I have to go with neither of those options.

I think that he should appear in the movie, but not at all prominent. Like a very quick scene nothing more. It should be more about Captain America vs. Red Skull and Baron Zemo.

For the should be more along the lines of the third option for the most part.

Spider-Fan

08-03-2008, 01:32 AM

Mentioned and maybe a Last Crusade type cameo. He is really not the important Nazi era individual to see in a Cap movie. It really is the Skull.

Bubonic

08-03-2008, 01:54 AM

i think it would all depend on the actor portraying him and how it be incorporated into the film.
some meeting in a darkly light chamber involving the skull, top ss guys and hitler.
I can't believe people can believe hitler can be considered cheesy and dumb... the man was one of the biggest monsters that ever lived.
hollywood might of made a joke of him when they could, sort of a method of punishment, but if handled right he should be terrifying.

Spider-Vader

08-03-2008, 04:20 AM

A cameo like in Indiana Jones & the Last Crusade. You should also hear about him alot.

3dman27

08-03-2008, 07:33 AM

Bubonic

08-03-2008, 07:48 AM

dream sequence would be best, but even that can get into that campy territory, because even though i contend that hitler is a vile and terrifying figure, seeing him get slugged in the kisser by a living flag might make me laugh

The Question

08-03-2008, 12:04 PM

You could have the famous cover be recreated as a clip from a Captain America propaganda film.

cain097

08-03-2008, 01:33 PM

A propaganda film clip or even a poster would be a good idea. That would be a good way to use Cap as a propaganda figure. The comic books could be fake stories of Cap's adventures. He is Uncle Sam with muscle after all.

About this poll, I think Hitler in a cameo, ala Last Crusade, would be a good idea as well. You can't ignore the man, no matter how much we would like to. You also don't want to involve him too much, but a brief cameo, maybe with the Red Skull would be fine.

Steve Holt

08-04-2008, 07:21 AM

his presence should be felt like in that episode of justice league

Arkady Rossovich

08-04-2008, 07:18 PM

I would say yes. There was a reason why Captain America was needed,not only for the Red Skull..but against the Nazi's also. If not fully in the film,I would say a scene or two. Like with the Skull.

Peyton Westlake

08-04-2008, 07:29 PM

I would say yes. There was a reason why Captain America was needed,not only for the Red Skull..but against the Nazi's also. If not fully in the film,I would say a scene or two. Like with the Skull.

I agree totally. He should share a few scenes with Red SKull to reinforce the fact of who the Red Skull anserws to. Unless they do what they did with Iron Man & update his origin to modern day.

Obi-Ron

08-04-2008, 08:37 PM

The super soldier serum has already been mentioned in the Incredible Hulk as being developed in WW2....

hippie_hunter

08-04-2008, 08:59 PM

I agree totally. He should share a few scenes with Red SKull to reinforce the fact of who the Red Skull anserws to. Unless they do what they did with Iron Man & update his origin to modern day.

They've already confirmed that not only will Captain America have his origin remain with World War II, but the entire film will take place in World War II.

hippie_hunter

08-04-2008, 09:00 PM

I would say yes. There was a reason why Captain America was needed,not only for the Red Skull..but against the Nazi's also. If not fully in the film,I would say a scene or two. Like with the Skull.

You know jourmugand, I keep reading this post and I just keep thinking so true. Asides from just Zemo and Red Skull, it would be awesome seeing Cap just kick some regular Nazi ass.

DeGenerate10

08-04-2008, 09:59 PM

Choices on the poll aren't very good. It's not going to be disrespectful to anyone. God knows how many times Hitler has been protrayed in a movie.

I'd like to see a short scene with him and the Red Skull talking. Something like that.

Compi716

08-05-2008, 12:13 AM

Hell. Yes.

If there's one thing I want to see, it's Hitler getting his ass handed to him in some way, shape, or form.

ShadowBoxing

08-05-2008, 12:53 AM

I said yes cause i didnt realize what the 3rd option said. Nothing more than a cameo. A little more than The Last CrusadeYeah, I agree.

Rich Santoro

08-05-2008, 11:04 AM

I think that Hitler should get a dose of the SS Serum and have an all out wire-fu fight with Cap (ala Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon). Then it can conclude with the long lost footage of Hitler on Ice from History of the World, Part II (this can be how Cap gets frozen... chasing Hitler across the ice rink).

Actually... a mention from Skull to emphasize the gravity of his status (I have orders from De Fuher himself... Heir Hitler commands it). And something from Cap or other good guy generals to establish that Skull is Hitler's chief of special operations (hinting that he is in charge of terrorist activities and monitoring advanced research... which could be used as a plot device to have the Skull developing the "Sleepers", in the comics these were originally meant as a means to destroy the planet... but for the movie they can be the mechanism that harnesses Earths life force, as to build the Cosmic Cube... for the Skulls appearance in the Avengers).

R_Hythlodeus

08-06-2008, 09:46 AM

(I have orders from De Fuher himself... Heir Hitler commands it).
I have no idea what language this could possibly be!

Red Mask

08-09-2008, 09:53 PM

Sure. I'd pay to see Cap deck Hitler. Just don't mention the Chitauri because it's a cop out.

jokerface89

08-11-2008, 10:29 PM

They should maybe just metion hilter though out the movie they could even say (like in the comics) how even hes afraid of the red skull.

Wesley Dodds

08-11-2008, 10:49 PM

Sure Hitler should be in it.. There's no doubt in my mind, whatsoever about that... Personally, I'm holding out for a clever visual homage of the Captain America #1 cover... A nice throwaway joke in the opening action sequence of Cap socking the Fuhrer in the face... He shouldnt have any lines, though... Not necessary.

Rage

08-12-2008, 08:57 PM

Hitler needs to be in the movie. He doesn't need to be in the forefront and in every scene...but we need to feel his presence EVERYWHERE. The man almost ruled the world...to not acknowledge him is almost criminal.

I think he needs to be mentioned often. We should see archival footage of him (say in military briefings...showing him and his henchmen). We should see about the same amount of him as we saw of Darth Sideous in the Prequels. You see him pulling the strings, but don't need to linger on his actions otherwise. I think alot of people here don't seem to get the impact of this character. Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade made him a joke...but this man was responisble for hundreds of thousands of lives. He turned an impovrished nation into the most powerful single nation on the planet (at the time) and almost took over not only Europe, but Africa as well. This guy was no joke and shouldn't be played for comedy. Yes the skull is a scary SOB...but hitler should be every bit as scary as Hannibal Lechter.

At the same time, the man was a coward who took his own life at the end. I would like to see a twist on that in the movie. Like the Skull or SS murdering him and making it look like suicide... just mess with everyone's verion of history...so the outcome remains the same historically...but the facts are different.

As far as cap punching him out...that should be a propaganda poster or comic cover (nice tip of the hat)

Rage

Venom75

08-13-2008, 03:36 AM

I'd like to see Adolf Hitler taken seriously,as he was in Der Untergang(The Downfall). Having him act like a "cartoon" as he was in old war movies would just be stupid.
I'd like to keep him mysterious though. Maybe a scene where the Red Skull goes to meet with him and we just see Hitler's back or have him in the shadows. They exchange a few sentences,and the Red Skull gives the Nazi salute and that's it.
Of course I would expect a few references when he's not around. Like,"The Fuhrer expects success," or "The Fuhrer demands an update." Stuff like that.

Rich Santoro

08-13-2008, 02:05 PM

I would say... among references from Skull (as in saying things like "The Fuher demands it") as well as some archival footage, and one or two small cameos during secret meetings... a useful pliot device will be to have some backstory dialogue discussing Hitler's obsession with new weapons research, and (a line from Raiders of the Lost Ark) "he is obsessed with the occult". Nazi's were religious fanatics, with a particular zeal for mysticism.

So, in order to set up the Skull and his role have a US Intelligence officer briefing Cap on an objective to lead a force against the Skull's operation. The Skull could be established as Hitler's Minister of Phobic Warfare (or some other more clever term :yay:). An early form of terrorism...

Go over how Hitler is driving toward weapons development like submerisible tanks, jet fighters, air cannons, heavy water production (all of which are true)... and how he was delving into mystical powers and control over the soul (also true). For the film, have him merge the two initiatives into his strategy of phobic warfare. A method of breaking down the enemy's psyche, and shattering the soul by using specially developed tactics (basically terrorism). Skull is the heead of this operation... and is terrorizing the coutry side of say, France. So Cap is set out to stop him... During that conflict he learns of another weapons system being developed to tap into the "mystical power of Earth's life force." Embellish that Hitler believes the Earth itself has all the power of the cosmos, and has ordered the development of a reactor that is meant to channel this life force from the planet (a new spin on the De Tag machine). Skull is overseeing this as well... leading to the confrontation between Skull and Cap in the Artic... where the reactor is.

So yes... have Hitler in there to set up this story arc...

Venom75

08-13-2008, 04:25 PM

Personally,I've been a World War 2/Adolf Hitler...um,I don't know what the word would be. Not a fan,but someone very interested that him and that period of history. Anyway,after all this time I still am not 100% sure of this,but I'm pretty sure that the Nazi official who was really into the occult was Himmler,not Hitler. I know Hess was as well(a driving force behind his flight to England in 1941). But Himmler was the one searching for German involvement in anciet times,as well as the legend of Atlantis and the Aryan race. I've heard Adolf thought that was a waste of time.

Chris Wallace

08-13-2008, 04:28 PM

Uh-uh. No Hitler. You can mention him but he should NOT appear.

Rich Santoro

08-13-2008, 04:50 PM

Venom... My understanding that he was a religious fanatic, but not necessarily into pagan mysticism like the bulk of the Nazi party. But from what I gather, he was fascinated with relics and notions of supernatural power and endowed divinity...

For a film, I think these things can play well.

Jordacar

08-18-2008, 11:03 PM

There have been a lot of WWII and Holocaust-set movies, and 99% have gotten by without an appearance from the guy

Rage

08-19-2008, 01:48 PM

I think that in the grand scheme of things though... We will be seeing the Red Skull and Captain America representing their country's leaders...why not show the leaders themselves. I don't think that Hitler needs to be prominent and have all kinds of dialogue...but he should be present.

Rage

Chris Wallace

08-19-2008, 07:18 PM

It'd be like having bin Laden in a movie now.

Rage

08-19-2008, 07:47 PM

Hitler is the puppet master that pulled all the strings in the Nazi party then. He was a very public figure (unlike Bin Laden who has been in hiding for 7 years) He is not a shadowy figure that nobody has ever scene or a hidden menace...he was the leader of the German military at the time. Would you not have the American President in the movie (at some point) or Eisenhower.

I don't think that Bin Laden is a fair comparison to Hitler because he is not the leader of a nation, he is a terrorist.

Rage

OwlBoy

08-19-2008, 07:48 PM

Well not really. More accurately it'd be like having Bin Laden in a movie decades from now. Either way, neither case would have them portrayed as heroes. The best case for having Hitler physically present (that is not just show a film clip of him or a film clip with the Red Skull inserted) is that it shows how big of a threat Captain America was to the Nazis or how big of a deal having their own super soldier program was to them.

Rage

08-19-2008, 07:49 PM

i don't want Hitler to be a caricature of himself... I want him to be pure evil. And ideally, not in the film more than 2 or 3 short scenes (like the Darth Sideous) in the prequels

Rage

OwlBoy

08-19-2008, 07:58 PM

I'm a little confused; you don't want Hitler to be a caricature yet you want him to be pure evil? To quote Veidt, he's not a Republic supervillian.

If he's in this movie at all I'd imagine it'd be a scene with him sitting with his generals discussing "Captain Amerika" or overseeing the "birth" of the Red Skull

Rage

08-19-2008, 10:05 PM

I believe that Hitler was pure evil, or atleast perceived that way by most of the free world during the late 30s and early 40s. OF course he didn't think he was. Anyone who has so much hatred that he would try to eliminate an entire population of people from the world seems pretty damn evil to me. ;)

What I don't want is for him to be made fun of or be in the movie for a laugh (tongue in cheek) like in Last Crusade. I want him to be scary and unsettling (kind of like Hannibal Lecter) I want to see and feel the evil within him, even if he doesn't see it himself. I want him to be very smooth and manipulative, with a hint of violent rage.

He was the face of evil to the free world in the late 30s to mid 40s. How can he not be in this movie (at the very least in archived footage) His presence is the very reason Captain America was needed. Cap represented all that was good (Brave, strong, humble and righteous) and Hitler represented the darkness in mankind (spite, hatred, greed, aggression)

Rage

OwlBoy

08-19-2008, 10:32 PM

Ah, I was afraid you meant pure evil like Dracula. Although from what I've read Hitler was never acted like how you described around anyone at all but I can see why you wouldn't want a banal interpretation of him I always just err on the side of historical accuracy even if there happens to be a guy in blue jammies running around beating up Nazis.

Rage

08-19-2008, 10:43 PM

I like historical accuracy...but can you weave Captain America in there and not mess with the historical accuracy of the timeline? If you could...even better. But Hitler was there and should be in charge and shown as a major power for the axis.

Rage

OwlBoy

08-19-2008, 10:49 PM

No I meant historical accuracy in terms of personality; like I said my knowledge of Hitler's personality runs counter to how you described him.

DarkSuperman

08-21-2008, 09:01 PM

I dont mind the use of archival footage. Just "Forest Gump" Red Skull into the scene and you're good to go.

That would be awesome.

DieSmiling

08-21-2008, 09:36 PM

I think he should make a quick appearance, but should not be an intricate part of the story.

Obi-Ron

08-21-2008, 11:12 PM

If it's historical accuracy you're after, the Red Skull should shoot the buttons off the shirt of a fellow Nazi in front of Hitler.

cerealkiller182

08-21-2008, 11:20 PM

Wasnt Red Skulls skull mask a gift from Hitler

3dman27

08-22-2008, 06:42 AM

yes it was

November Rain

08-22-2008, 06:51 AM

i would like hitler and kaiser to be present at the birth of the red skull, that's enough of a cameo for him.

Brian Braddock

08-22-2008, 07:18 AM

NR, There was no Kaiser at that time.

November Rain

08-22-2008, 07:23 AM

whoever that chitauri is during the ultimates book should also be included...

Brian Braddock

08-22-2008, 07:26 AM

If they're going with that..................but if they don't;

I personally would just have Hitler and a select few of top brass at the 'birth' of the red skull.

kyuubijavi1

08-22-2008, 06:18 PM

If Hitler can be in Indiana Johns he can be in the Cap's movie
but he should have nothing more than a cameo

redlion2

08-23-2008, 04:52 AM

^^Yeah, this is exactly the way I was thinking. A brief cameo like in Indiana Jones maybe during the creation of the Red Skull.

Pluto

08-23-2008, 06:08 PM

Yes he should be put only in snipbits. The Red Skull should be the main focus on the villain side.

Casius--J

08-24-2008, 05:27 AM

No he shouldnt appear, just mentioned a lot and perhaps like some posters have said just show like a picture of him in the background or a view from behind.

Hulkfan2008!

08-25-2008, 10:05 PM

red skull

COAL TIGER

08-28-2008, 04:07 PM

Don't know if this has already been posted but this gives an idea of what we might see.

http://www.captain-america.us/images/wallpaper/warposters/captain-america-vs-hitler.jpg

Obi-Ron

08-28-2008, 05:45 PM

Ach du leiber!

marcvader

08-28-2008, 06:17 PM

They should have the roles of any historical characters (Hitler, Churchill, Roosevelt) be minimal and played by impersonators like they are doing in Watchmen. But they should be included.

Franklin Richards

08-28-2008, 06:19 PM

He was in Indy. He can be in Cap.

:thing: :doom: :thing:

Magneto

08-31-2008, 09:09 PM

I Think they should just talk about him and keep focused on red skull

ComixGirl

08-31-2008, 11:46 PM

I don't know, maybe an opening introduction text or reference or something, I just don't think they could have Hitler in the movie without making it unbearably cheesy.
Unless they get Bruno Ganz. :)

Nirvana

03-03-2009, 07:24 AM

Having Hilter featured prominently would overshadow the Red Skull. He should be mentioned a few times, maybe even be featured for a short cameo, but nothing more.

Carlo Comicus

03-03-2009, 11:49 AM

Having Hilter featured prominently would overshadow the Red Skull. He should be mentioned a few times, maybe even be featured for a short cameo, but nothing more.

I'm agree. But in the old Tales of Suspense adventure I remember one brief and great sequence with Hitler drawn by Kirby, when he see a young Red Skull and choose him. I love this sequence.:yay:

Carlo Comicus

03-03-2009, 11:52 AM

http://kungfurodeo.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/kirby_hitler.jpg

C. Lee

03-03-2009, 12:16 PM

It's WWII....of course there should be references to Hitler....he can even have a small part (like in Indy)....but he shouldn't be the main focus.

Spider-Fan

03-03-2009, 01:13 PM

Having Hilter featured prominently would overshadow the Red Skull. He should be mentioned a few times, maybe even be featured for a short cameo, but nothing more.

Agreed. Showing Hitler is not that important anyway since he's really only an idealistic enemy and a symbol for the Nazis. For Cap, the Red Skull is the real threat as he is carrying out Hitler's ideaology, thus all focus should be on him.

Spider-ManHero12

03-03-2009, 01:16 PM

Having Hilter featured prominently would overshadow the Red Skull. He should be mentioned a few times, maybe even be featured for a short cameo, but nothing more. I second that.

DarkReflections

03-03-2009, 05:03 PM

yeah. something like how much he was in the indiana jones movies. have him just being mentioned, and if he is ever on screen make it like a few minutes at best.

Rage

03-03-2009, 06:58 PM

Old stock footage would work well. I personally would like to see him in the film a few times with the Red Skull

Rage

Nivek

03-03-2009, 09:46 PM

Eh, a little Hitler couldn't hurt.

jab1118

03-03-2009, 10:28 PM

I like the idea of just a cameo. Have Red Skull leave a room after just meeting with him and he can be seen while the door is open. It shows you that Skull is very high up without really having to use Hitler

BatJeff7786

03-04-2009, 02:21 AM

Nein! Nein! Nein! Nein! Nein! Nein!

Carlo Comicus

03-04-2009, 06:44 AM

Nein! Nein! Nein! Nein! Nein! Nein!

eh eh eh:woot:

Ahura Mazda

03-04-2009, 07:05 AM

He should certaimly be mentionned but in no way a main character.

Carlo Comicus

03-04-2009, 07:16 AM

Hitler is the man behind the creation of the Red Skull. For me should be a main character at the beginning.

Tarnish

03-04-2009, 03:39 PM

Hitler needs to be in it for at a bit for a flash back to him selecting the Red Skull, and of course, to help set the period for the audience. I wouldn't say he needs to be prominently in it, but he needs at least one or two brief showings

Silvermoth

03-04-2009, 10:50 PM

I wish to revise my vote. Now I think about it, Hitler would be impressive in a Captain America film but mostly in a ceremonial way (seeing him give speechs etc) to set the scene and to show what Captain America is fighting for. I think thats the best way to get international audiences interested in Captain America not only as a movie but as a character.

That-Guy

03-05-2009, 11:26 AM

Hitler should be in it; not as a main character but in more of a cameo type of role (like in Indy 3).

Hypestyle

03-06-2009, 04:08 PM

he must deliver the line:
"I could teach that bellboy to do better!"

Rage

03-06-2009, 07:14 PM

I truly hope that the Red Skull is NOT a bellboy (although that is his origin) I liked the 90's movie version of his origin (where he is a failed attempt at the SSS which is later perfected and creates Captain America)

Hypestyle

03-18-2009, 03:08 PM

hmm.. if Cap can have a scene where he gets to punch Hitler, that would be good...

DeGenerate10

03-18-2009, 03:32 PM

I'd say just do something like showing a real clip of Hitler on someone's TV. Have a few references maybe but that's about the extent I would go

captainrogers

03-18-2009, 06:56 PM

or Maybe have a scene where Cap is being shown (during a briefing) photographs of Hitler and The head of his "shadow cabinet" (Red Skull). Cap's commanding officers could be giving him what little (even rumored) info (like him being a bellboy who was made into the ultimate nazi on Hitler's whim) they have on this Dangerous Individual, whom they reason, is giving the Nazi's all the strategic and secret military advantages they have. I think it might work best to have Hitler shown interacting with the Skull in doctored photos.

Thor Odinson

03-18-2009, 07:28 PM

I don't think we really need face time since technically, he isn't our villain so the question you need to ask is "Is he needed to complete the story?" and i say no. A mention, Archive footage, that kind of thing is enough.

.
He is needed. He is such a major part of RS's charachter. in the MU RS was Hitler's right-hand-man- Higher then Goring, Himler or Goebels.

Doomed Hero Rising

03-19-2009, 11:23 PM

I would say minimally, but if he is there I think it would be sweet if THIS HAPPENED!
http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll252/DoomedHeroRising/CaptainAmericapunche****ler.jpg

apollo92178

03-27-2009, 10:47 PM

Man, What wrong with you guys!

Of course hitler should be scene and heard in the film. How is putting him in offensive? That dude can't get more offensive. Remember no 1. Captain America came on the scene punching the Sh!!t out of hitler. 2. Hitler had all his nazi punks amp on speed and meth(?) He would totally be involve in any development of a german super serum. 3. In order to further promote his lunacy for a master race.

They had a holocaust scene in the X-Men which was totally adequete. Now, CA liberates a Death camp which Magneto is in, anybody thought of how that will be work in? Or are we going to suffer due to studio monopoly?

3dman27

03-28-2009, 04:49 AM

the latter i think

R_Hythlodeus

03-28-2009, 05:25 AM

They had a holocaust scene in the X-Men which was totally adequete. Now, CA liberates a Death camp which Magneto is in, anybody thought of how that will be work in? Or are we going to suffer due to studio monopoly?
Quote simple. If I recall correctly it was established in X-Men, that the Concentration Camp was Auschwitz. Just let the liberated Camp be Auschwitz and the connection is right there.
The only obvious problem would be Cap landing and fighting in the Normandy while Auschwitz lies near Krakaw. The only bigger Concentration Camp (not a Death Camp like Auschwitz but a "Stammlager" nevertheless) in France was Struthof-Natzweiler near Strasbourg.

Rich Santoro

05-22-2009, 01:52 AM

Auschwitz was liberated in 1945... I am not so sure that Cap makes it to V-E Day. He wouldn't likely be involved in liberations from prison camps, with that time line...

Iron_Stark

06-11-2009, 03:08 PM

Just have Cap punch the sh** out of Hitler.

Judson Caspian

06-11-2009, 11:06 PM

Hell yeah, he should be in the movie. If they don't have a scene where Cap is knocking him out, screw this.

http://i40.tinypic.com/eagox0.jpg

ReallyCoolGuy

06-15-2009, 02:17 AM

"featuring Hitler at all would be disrespectful to those killed by him."

Are you serious?? ...has to be the most retarded statement I have read in quite some time.

M.E.H.Z.E.B

06-15-2009, 06:27 AM

hmm.. if Cap can have a scene where he gets to punch Hitler, that would be good...

I presume the song playing in the background would be.. *Hit Me Baby One More Time* :gray:

ReallyCoolGuy

06-15-2009, 09:14 PM

This movie is to take place during the war. Hitler is the reason for the war. Therefore, Hitler is definitely a part of this movie. However, Cap having direct contact with Hitler will affect the "historical accuracy" of the film. So the question is; how far can they go with the inclusion of real-life historical figures?

Webhead2006

06-15-2009, 09:38 PM

seen on news reels maybe.

Spider-Vader

06-16-2009, 01:40 AM

"featuring Hitler at all would be disrespectful to those killed by him."

Are you serious?? ...has to be the most retarded statement I have read in quite some time.

Seriously how does that disrespect anyone except Nazis?

I think Cap punching Hitler should be in a propaganda, along with the '60s cartoon theme song.

I think Hitler should be in a couple scenes but not a main character.

Webhead2006

06-16-2009, 07:33 AM

Yea maybe red skull and hilter meet up.

Agent 194

06-16-2009, 01:57 PM

Don't know the appropriate place to put this (before I get chewed out) but AOL reports original Cap coming back. Knew he would. And about time. shouldn't have been gone to begin with

http://www.comicsalliance.com/2009/06/15/captain-america-comes-back-to-life/?icid=main|main|dl4|link5|http%3A%2F%2Fwww.comicsa lliance.com%2F2009%2F06%2F15%2Fcaptain-america-comes-back-to-life%2F

Webhead2006

06-16-2009, 04:31 PM

Its been talked about i think in these cap boards.

C. Lee

06-16-2009, 04:39 PM

Agent 194

06-16-2009, 05:29 PM

I agree wholeheartedly with you sir.

By the way C. Lee....speaking of the way things were done....have you read a book called "Tales to Astonish"? It's about the early days of Stan and Jack. Just finished it. Interesting read.

Reikowolf

06-16-2009, 05:44 PM

why would it be disrespectful?

I say yes.

Webhead2006

06-16-2009, 11:37 PM

i do wonder comics wise with rogers returning what is likely to happen with bucky's cap version? will he still play capt too or revert to another chacter name? or would he fade away again?

Chewy

06-17-2009, 03:53 PM

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/9389/samworthingtonphotor.jpg

Eh? Eh?

S_H_F_4839

06-18-2009, 08:20 AM

Rich Santoro

06-18-2009, 10:17 AM

How about Skull makes it look like Hitler committed suicide, but he really was the trigger man.

3dman27

06-19-2009, 05:00 AM

How about Skull makes it look like Hitler committed suicide, but he really was the trigger man.

hmmm interesting idea

Webhead2006

06-19-2009, 10:04 AM

could be a cool angle to play.

roach

07-21-2009, 05:16 AM

Hitler should be the Emperor to the Red Skull's Darth Vader

Infinity9999x

07-21-2009, 01:13 PM

Hitler should be the Emperor to the Red Skull's Darth Vader

Agreed.

Triad

07-21-2009, 02:08 PM

catintheengine

08-06-2009, 12:27 AM

I'd like him to make a physical appearance or two, but I really don't think that he should be a integral role in the movie. Most of his relationship to the Red Skull could be done in flashback or implied by dialog.

I agree. Sort of how it was done in Raiders of the Lost Ark.

The way I look at it is this: Red Skull is like Hitler's right hand, and Baron Zemo is the sword the hand holds.

[A]

08-06-2009, 12:35 AM

If you put Hitler in this movie, you gotta make it dead serious -- you can't have Hitler in a light summer actioner..

Wesley Dodds

08-06-2009, 12:38 PM

;17290886']If you put Hitler in this movie, you gotta make it dead serious -- you can't have Hitler in a light summer actioner..

AHEM!

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[A]

08-06-2009, 02:35 PM

:o oh

Young Superman

08-12-2009, 06:25 PM

I'm for the use of archival footage.

R_Hythlodeus

08-19-2009, 03:25 AM

;17290886']If you put Hitler in this movie, you gotta make it dead serious -- you can't have Hitler in a light summer actioner..
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/5395/17950873.jpg

[A]

08-19-2009, 03:27 AM

He's so.......pink

Rage

08-19-2009, 09:07 PM

It seems like Hitler is popping up in more and more movies all the time. I do like how he was treated in Valkyrie where he is a physical presence in the movie, but doesn't monopolize screen time.

Invisiboy

08-24-2009, 02:37 AM

roach

08-24-2009, 08:33 AM

The famous cover, as well as the issue it introduced, were created by Jewish writers and artists who hated the man who was slaughtering their families overseas, so his inclusion in itself would take an idiot to be construed as anti-Semitic. However, as mentioned, it isn't necessary to make him a major figure.

partially correct...noone knew what Hitler was doing to the jews towards the end of the war. Cap was created before America entered the war

Master Blaster

08-29-2009, 10:00 AM

Certainly! Make Hitler a secondary villain to the Red Skull!

Timstuff

08-29-2009, 12:04 PM

Propaganda played a big part in WW2, so is it too far a stretch, to think that cap could come across a captain america comic book featuring this scene and chuckle to himself. I would like to see hitler featured in the film, but i agree about the punching scene might be going a bit far, I would rather see him be responsible for the red skull then have the skull eventually grow disillusioned with the third reich in general and by the end of the film have a confrontation between the skull and hitler. Where skull has focused more of his time on going after cap and less on winning the war.

The actual Captain America comic books should appear in the movie (although obviously its release date and certain elements (like Steve Rogers, discussion of the SSS) would would be different in the movie-verse). It would be very interesting to see some convergent history between the Captain America movie-verse and the real life history of Captain America, because during WW2 Cap was a pop culture icon who helped America's people and soldiers feel good about themselves, and in the movie that should still hold true-- except in the movie, Cap is actually a real life person, not just a character created by Marvel, and seeing a soldier in his bunk reading Captain America Comics #1 would be a nice touch.

As for Hitler, I don't think it's really necessary for him to have a major role in the film. He could make an appearance, but for the most part I thing it should focus on Cap vs. Red Skull.

Webhead2006

08-29-2009, 06:44 PM

I agree i dont see why their couldnt be a small role/cameo of hitler in the film. Maybe a scene with red skull or just in a newsreel footage.

Timstuff

08-29-2009, 06:58 PM

I agree. I think Hitler's presence should be felt, but they shouldn't make it feel like they're building up to "Captain America 2: Rise of the Hatemonger." :p

NEXUS 6

08-29-2009, 07:38 PM

Certainly! Make Hitler a secondary villain to the Red Skull!

Featuring Hitler would not be disrepectful. Making him a lackey to Red Skull would be.

Webhead2006

08-29-2009, 08:49 PM

well what if you have it hitler is still the leader in charge of the nazi's and red skull is just some under leader guy for his crazy occult/alien stuff.

Timstuff

08-29-2009, 09:44 PM

Infinity9999x

08-29-2009, 10:24 PM

Hitler should be in the movie to about the same capacity as in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. I don't think he should be an actual secondary villain though, because taking a historical person and trying to blend them into a cast of fictional characters seems silly. It'd seem like if they made a superhero out of Abraham Lincoln and then had him join the Justice League.

As Roach said above, have Hitler in essence be the "emperor" to the Red Skull's "Darth Vader," but have him have a bit less screen time then the Emperor did in Return of the Jedi. Establish his presence, but you don't even need to have him and Cap meet.

roach

08-29-2009, 11:08 PM

Actually I would have them meet and recreate the cover of Captain America number one as Cap gives him a knuckle sandwich...but the main villain should be the Skull

Infinity9999x

08-29-2009, 11:19 PM

Actually I would have them meet and recreate the cover of Captain America number one as Cap gives him a knuckle sandwich...but the main villain should be the Skull

I'd want them to be careful to not make it too cheesy...because honestly, the 1940's were a cheesy time, and I certainly do not want everything they did to be recreated today. Some things should not be brought back, and some of the 1940's war propaganda is one of them.

Now, I wouldn't mind if it's done in Inglorious Basterds style, in which Cap is captured but still manages to get a good hit on Hitler (like Brad Pitt's character headbutting Waltz's character), but if Cap is free, and is face to face with Hitler long enough to give him a good punch, then I'm going to be wondering..."why don't you kill the guy?"

I mean, we've established that (in 1940) he's the fastest, quickest, and strongest person in the world, so he should have no problem offing Hitler if he has enough time to punch him.

But, as long as it's done right, I won't mind.

roach

08-29-2009, 11:30 PM

this just popped into my mind...and wont be like the scene im writing for my Cap fan fic.......
Red Skull launches a missle at Washington DC. Cap and Bucky are too late to stop the launch. If they can get back to Freedom's Flight(Caps plane in WW2) they may have a chance to knock it out of the sky. Cap and Bucky race down a corridor of the Nazi stronghold and turn a corner as the come face to face with Hitler himself surrounded by several important Nazi generals. Every one is stunned as seconds slowly tick off the clock. Cap slugs Hitler and smiles at his generals as they quicky turn around and run back the way they came......

roach

08-29-2009, 11:35 PM

I'd want them to be careful to not make it too cheesy...because honestly, the 1940's were a cheesy time, and I certainly do not want everything they did to be recreated today. Some things should not be brought back, and some of the 1940's war propaganda is one of them.

Now, I wouldn't mind if it's done in Inglorious Basterds style, in which Cap is captured but still manages to get a good hit on Hitler (like Brad Pitt's character headbutting Waltz's character), but if Cap is free, and is face to face with Hitler long enough to give him a good punch, then I'm going to be wondering..."why don't you kill the guy?"

I mean, we've established that (in 1940) he's the fastest, quickest, and strongest person in the world, so he should have no problem offing Hitler if he has enough time to punch him.

But, as long as it's done right, I won't mind.

yeah but also lest not forget that in 1940 assassination was not a thing encouraged in war

Infinity9999x

08-29-2009, 11:44 PM

yeah but also lest not forget that in 1940 assassination was not a thing encouraged in war

It's war. If an American operative was face to face with Hitler, you would bet he would try and kill him. I doubt the American generals would go "good job on ending World War 2 son...but we're not so big on the assassination thing...gives us a bad name you know."

However, you're scenario would work. Cap doesn't have time to go to work on Hitler and his cronies, so he settles for a punch and races on.

Timstuff

08-30-2009, 01:44 AM

Actually I would have them meet and recreate the cover of Captain America number one as Cap gives him a knuckle sandwich...but the main villain should be the Skull

That would be way too corny and it would really kind of deteriorate the seriousness of WW2. I'd rather they pay homage to it by simply having the comic itself make an appearance in the movie. I don't think Cap and Hitler should ever meet though.

roach

08-30-2009, 02:08 AM

It's war. If an American operative was face to face with Hitler, you would bet he would try and kill him. I doubt the American generals would go "good job on ending World War 2 son...but we're not so big on the assassination thing...gives us a bad name you know."

However, you're scenario would work. Cap doesn't have time to go to work on Hitler and his cronies, so he settles for a punch and races on.

well considering how in 1940 America wasnt at war with Germany so assassination outside of war is a big no no

roach

08-30-2009, 02:10 AM

That would be way too corny and it would really kind of deteriorate the seriousness of WW2. I'd rather they pay homage to it by simply having the comic itself make an appearance in the movie. I don't think Cap and Hitler should ever meet though.

i think it would be cool and right along the same lines as when Indy handed the note book to Hitler who signed it....but how serious is this movie taking WW2 by putting a superhero in the middle of it

MaskedManJRK

08-30-2009, 02:41 AM

We definately need to see him in news-reels, since that's what inspires Steve to enlist in the Army.

I'd love to have a scene where Cap punches Hitler square in the face, but it wouldn't spoil the movie for me if it doesn't happen. If they did, I'd probably see it multiple times in the theater though.

Master Blaster

08-30-2009, 08:04 AM

Featuring Hitler would not be disrepectful. Making him a lackey to Red Skull would be.

when I said secondary, I didn't mean make him a lackey. I meant make him like what Roach said. Have him be the main baddy who prefers to pull the strings from the sidelines while the Red Skull does all the dirty work.

roach

08-30-2009, 09:40 AM

Im sure disrespecting Hitler isnt a bad thing

Infinity9999x

08-30-2009, 12:45 PM

well considering how in 1940 America wasnt at war with Germany so assassination outside of war is a big no no

If they go with the angle of having Cap actually fight in battles, then it might be in the war.

But still...do you really think America hasn't had people assassinated?

But I like the scenario you posed, and I also would love to see something along the lines of what we saw in Basterds if Cap is captured and Hitler is sneering over him.

roach

08-30-2009, 12:49 PM

If they go with the angle of having Cap actually fight in battles, then it might be in the war.

But still...do you really think America hasn't had people assassinated?

But I like the scenario you posed, and I also would love to see something along the lines of what we saw in Basterds if Cap is captured and Hitler is sneering over him.

recent times yes...back in 1940's no

Infinity9999x

08-30-2009, 01:02 PM

recent times yes...back in 1940's no

During the war, if America had gotten a chance to kill Hitler, they would have. Heck, German Soldiers tried to assassinate Hitler, you think we weren't?

We already had done a lot more more un-honorable things before the 1940's as a country, I really don't think assassination was beneath us.

Timstuff

08-30-2009, 01:49 PM

i think it would be cool and right along the same lines as when Indy handed the note book to Hitler who signed it....but how serious is this movie taking WW2 by putting a superhero in the middle of it

Indy bumping into Hitler and accidentally having his father's diary signed by him is a lot different from a costumed Superhero being face-to-face with Hitler and then slugging him one. Propoganda had its place during WW2, but if they actually had Captain America punching Hitler in the movie 60+ years after the fact it would come across as American ego masturbation.

Infinity9999x

08-30-2009, 02:31 PM

Indy bumping into Hitler and accidentally having his father's diary signed by him is a lot different from a costumed Superhero being face-to-face with Hitler and then slugging him one. Propoganda had its place during WW2, but if they actually had Captain America punching Hitler in the movie 60+ years after the fact it would come across as American ego masturbation.

That's what I'm getting at, but if it's done right it could work. An Inglorious Basterds kind of thing could work quite well, or even a situation like Roach's.

But it would have to be written well, or you're right, it would just come across, as you elegantly put it, "ego masturbation."

MaskedManJRK

08-30-2009, 02:44 PM

recent times yes...back in 1940's no

I seem to remember something on the History Channel where there were American snipers that tried to assassinate him.

Indy bumping into Hitler and accidentally having his father's diary signed by him is a lot different from a costumed Superhero being face-to-face with Hitler and then slugging him one. Propoganda had its place during WW2, but if they actually had Captain America punching Hitler in the movie 60+ years after the fact it would come across as American ego masturbation.

Doesn't have to be necessarily American--no one really has any love-loss for Hitler, so seeing anyone punch the f**k out of Hitler would be awesome. Hell, they could have Union Jack or someone do it and it'd still be awesome. :woot:

Timstuff

08-30-2009, 04:06 PM

Thundercrack85

09-06-2009, 04:49 AM

I wouldn't mind at all if we see him talking to, or giving orders to the Red Skull or some other Nazi villain, so long as he's presented in a realistic fashion.

As for him meeting Captain America. That could be alright, as long as it doesn't get too over the top.

I do however want to point out that Captain America probably wouldn't just kill Hitler, since as he probably knows, if you off Hitler, the next guy in line is just as bad, if not worse.

There's a reason the Allies were always reluctant to off Hitler.

roach

09-06-2009, 10:27 AM

The thing is though, in the original comics showing Cap punch Hitler was meant to be provocative, and during the war the comics were meant to give people hope that America would win. Since Hitler has been dead for 60 years though, showing a fictional character beat him up would be in poor taste, because it's basically just saying "America: f*** yeah!" There's really no point to show Cap punching Hitler in the movie now other than to say "America is awesome, and we want to see an American beat up Hitler even though it never happened in real life."

actually that came a full year before America joined the war. Infact the creators recieved death threats because of it. America didnt want to go to war but Simon and Kirby knew that America needed to..hence the cover...

Writer Joe Simon conceived the idea for Captain America, which was refined by his partner, artist Jack Kirby, in 1941. Captain America was a consciously political creation. Simon and Kirby were morally repulsed by the actions of Nazi Germany in the years leading up to the United States' involvement in World War II and felt war was inevitable. Simon later said, "The opponents to the war were all quite well organized. We wanted to have our say too."[5]

Captain America Comics #1 (March 1941) — on sale in December 1940, a year before the bombing of Pearl Harbor but a full year into World War II, showed the protagonist punching Nazi leader Adolf Hitler in the jaw — sold nearly one million copies.[6] While most readers responded favorably to the comic, some took objection. Simon noted, "When the first issue came out we got a lot of . . . threatening letters and hate mail. Some people really opposed what Cap stood for

roach

09-06-2009, 10:31 AM

Indy bumping into Hitler and accidentally having his father's diary signed by him is a lot different from a costumed Superhero being face-to-face with Hitler and then slugging him one. Propoganda had its place during WW2, but if they actually had Captain America punching Hitler in the movie 60+ years after the fact it would come across as American ego masturbation.

in a superhero movie called Captain America....hell the concept alone is American Ego Masturbation....Cap slugging Hitler is more like American Ego Doggystyle

Timstuff

09-07-2009, 04:22 PM

actually that came a full year before America joined the war. Infact the creators recieved death threats because of it. America didnt want to go to war but Simon and Kirby knew that America needed to..hence the cover...

Writer Joe Simon conceived the idea for Captain America, which was refined by his partner, artist Jack Kirby, in 1941. Captain America was a consciously political creation. Simon and Kirby were morally repulsed by the actions of Nazi Germany in the years leading up to the United States' involvement in World War II and felt war was inevitable. Simon later said, "The opponents to the war were all quite well organized. We wanted to have our say too."[5]

Captain America Comics #1 (March 1941) — on sale in December 1940, a year before the bombing of Pearl Harbor but a full year into World War II, showed the protagonist punching Nazi leader Adolf Hitler in the jaw — sold nearly one million copies.[6] While most readers responded favorably to the comic, some took objection. Simon noted, "When the first issue came out we got a lot of . . . threatening letters and hate mail. Some people really opposed what Cap stood for

I am familiar with how Captain America was meant to motivate America to intervene during WW2 before we became involved-- but that was before the war, and now it's 50 years afterwards. I hold to it that to show a fictional event of an American character punching Hitler in the face would just come across as an American ego trip. It would be like the writers saying "we know that an American never punched Hitler in real life, but we WANT to see an American punch Hitler because we are the only country awesome enough to do it." It would be pointless, and many people would consider it tasteless. The closest anyone ever came to doing that was when the GERMAN resistance attempted to assassinate Hitler during Operation Valkyrie.

If they want the image in the movie, they can let the Captain America #1 comic book itself make a cameo within the film. Trying to find room somewhere in the story for Captain America to actually punch Hitler would be retarded though.

Franklin Richards

09-07-2009, 04:28 PM

You guys do realize that this is the American Film Industry, right? Hollywood? Academy of Arts and Science?

If you don't like Cap punching Hitler then watch Bollywood.

:doom: :doom: :doom:

Timstuff

09-07-2009, 04:41 PM

I can already imagine Hitler's reaction when this movie comes out--

http://i30.tinypic.com/33xfnn5.jpg

Party Crasher

09-09-2009, 07:40 PM

Yes! I actually wrote a script for a Captain America, years ago, where Cap punched Hitler at the end. Referencing that famous cover. It was during an action Sequence and i thought it worked GREAT. The Hitler in my script was sort of a mix between the Raiders "Hitler Prescence" in Raiders and that little cameo he had in Crusade. Red skull was the hands on heavy throughout the story though.

Fun fact: In the Indy 3 point and click adventure game from Lucasarts, you met Hitler and gave him the diary. Besides "TALK" and "GIVE THE DIARY" as options, there was also "PUNCH HITLER".

Needless to say, i tried that option.:indy:

I also found out what would have happened if Indy would have done it...

However, I say to the filmmakers: PUNCH HITLER. :up:

Evil deserves mockery.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/0e/Derfuehrersfaceposter.JPG/450px-Derfuehrersfaceposter.JPG

Donald agrees! :awesome:

SpiderByte

09-25-2009, 03:13 PM

I think he should be in the film, but just for like, 3 seconds. So Cap can punch his lights out.

Webhead2006

09-25-2009, 04:06 PM

well i dont know if i would like him punching him. But i wouldnt mind seeing hitler have some role in the film. News reels, or even in talks with red skull and or that zemo dude if he is in the film.

roach

09-25-2009, 04:08 PM

nope Cap's gotta knuckle up on him

conan69

09-27-2009, 02:49 PM

Tim, I absolutely move that movie. Downfall is a real masterpiece IMHO.

Yes Hitler should be in the film.

No Cap shouldnt be shown punching him. That sort of corny stuff is outdated by quite a few decades.

But I think a scene or 2 showing Reds close association with Hitler, would be good and would only strenghten Skulls character.

SpiderByte

09-27-2009, 03:03 PM

I WANT THIS!!!!

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_kxF371gMSro/SX0-ei6n7aI/AAAAAAAAGME/yaRI0rAlRaU/s400/cap2

I also just realized that Bucky looks like a girl.

Timstuff

09-27-2009, 04:11 PM

SpiderByte

09-27-2009, 04:14 PM

Why not?

Timstuff

09-27-2009, 06:57 PM

Because as I said before, it would be retarded.

roach

09-27-2009, 06:59 PM

it would be awesome

SpiderByte

09-27-2009, 07:01 PM

Indeed.

Timstuff

09-27-2009, 07:21 PM

Awesomely retarded.

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/1025/michaelbaylg.jpg (http://img9.imageshack.us/i/michaelbaylg.jpg/)

blackbyrd

10-04-2009, 08:45 AM

Hitler should be referenced.

Characters that are a must...
Hitler
Baron Zemo
Red Skull
GEN Chester Phillips
Dr. Erskine/Reinstein
GEN Patton
GEN McArthur
FDR
Churchill
Stalin
Mussilini

SpiderByte

10-04-2009, 10:02 AM

Awesomely retarded.

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/1025/michaelbaylg.jpg (http://img9.imageshack.us/i/michaelbaylg.jpg/)

Michael Bay?
Raaaaaandom........

Compi716

10-04-2009, 10:13 AM

As I said before, I think the book itself should make a cameo in the movie (except with the "Bucky" character either being removed or have his name changed, since the "real" Bucky will probably be just a regular soldier and therefor have no reason to appear on a comic book cover), but the actual image on the cover should not be something that happens in the film's story.
If the comic is used as propaganda, wouldn't it make even more sense to use Bucky on the cover? The whole point of Bucky is that he was meant to be Cap's young sidekick, someone the kids could look up to and the teens could use as a role model (for decided to enlist).

roach

10-04-2009, 10:16 AM

no the point of Bucky was he was a counter point to the Nazi youth movement

roach

10-04-2009, 10:17 AM

Hitler should be referenced.

Characters that are a must...
Hitler
Baron Zemo
Red Skull
GEN Chester Phillips
Dr. Erskine/Reinstein
GEN Patton
GEN McArthur
FDR
Churchill
Stalin
Mussilini

Sgt Duffy
Betsy Ross

blackbyrd

10-04-2009, 10:55 AM

Actually Bucky was just the Camp Mascot....The Boy Scouts wee the counter-point to Hitler Youth. No where does it say Bucky was a Scout.

Thundercrack85

10-04-2009, 04:04 PM

Well having Hitler and other historical figures like FDR or Truman could really help establish the the setting of the movie.

roach

10-04-2009, 04:17 PM

Actually Bucky was just the Camp Mascot....The Boy Scouts wee the counter-point to Hitler Youth. No where does it say Bucky was a Scout.

according to Cap-Cannon the governement agreed to Bucky being his side kick to counter the Nazi youth movement

SpiderByte

10-04-2009, 04:28 PM

I hope they prominently show Bucky's death in the film. AH WANT MAH CRASH!

Young Superman

10-04-2009, 04:53 PM

I WANT THIS!!!!

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_kxF371gMSro/SX0-ei6n7aI/AAAAAAAAGME/yaRI0rAlRaU/s400/cap2

I also just realized that Bucky looks like a girl.

IMO a good way to incorporate this cover into the movie is as war propaganda the U.S government uses to promote Captain America.

SpiderByte

10-04-2009, 05:25 PM

That would be like shouting "HEY LOOK EVERYONE! WE HAVE A SECRET WEAPON!"

I'm fairly certain they'd try to keep the secret of being able to create super-strong human beings to themselves.

roach

10-04-2009, 06:48 PM

thats pretty much what the US did with Cap

Timstuff

10-04-2009, 06:49 PM

If the comic is used as propaganda, wouldn't it make even more sense to use Bucky on the cover? The whole point of Bucky is that he was meant to be Cap's young sidekick, someone the kids could look up to and the teens could use as a role model (for decided to enlist).

I'm saying that if Bucky is to appear in the movie as just a regular soldier who is young and a close friend and ally of Captain America, then the "Bucky" character who appears on the cover of Captain America #1 should have a different name, since in comic book character within the movie would be unrelated to the "real life" Bucky, and would merely be a teenage sidekick to give the Cap comics more appeal to kids.

That would be like shouting "HEY LOOK EVERYONE! WE HAVE A SECRET WEAPON!"

I'm fairly certain they'd try to keep the secret of being able to create super-strong human beings to themselves.

I'm not suggesting Captain America #1 appear in the movie page-for-page unaltered. After all, why would the US government give Timely Comics classified infromation about a top secret government science project, including the real identity of Captain America, and then allow them to put it in a comic book? Obviously the pages of the comics within the movie (even if we never actually saw them) would be an alternate reality version where Cap's identity and other US govt. secrets are never mentioned (as changing the "Bucky" sidekick's name and having alternate publishing dates, since Captain America #1 came out a year before America's WW2 involvement), but I think it'd be a great nod to the original comics to actually see them appear in the movie would be a great little nod.