Why Does Everyone Want a Body-Building Captain America?

[Turtle-Man]

I've been reading these forums for quite some time, and what bothers me is that everyone wants to cast some body builder as Captain America. You all want the guy with the square jaw, and the tough guy look. It really isn't necessary, though. We've seen Wolverine, Batman and Superman on screen. We've seen their comic book counterparts. None of the on-screen characters are anywhere near as bulky as their comic book affiliates. Why would you want Captain America to be any different?

A good Cap would be someone who can act well, give the film a serious tone, and express weakness and strength. Every human being has a flaw, and although you may state that "Captain America has no flaws", weaknesses in a person's state of mind can add so much more depth to any character. Other than this, all the actor needs is to be able to put on some muscle. We don't need Cap having an Arnold-type body.

And what's with the name "First Avenger: Captain America"? Why not just plain, old "Captain America"?

[Odin's Lapdog]

cap is the epotome of physical perfection. To be fair, they'll just take someone in a decent form and cgi them up to speed, kinda like blonsky.

[NavSealShark]

http://img60.imageshack.us/img60/1008/builtcapfs2.th.jpg (http://img60.imageshack.us/my.php?image=builtcapfs2.jpg) Cause Captain America is built like a bodybuilder. He's perfect. He was written and drawn to be the most muscular and best built man ever to be in a comic book. You must be new to Captain America. Just check out his comics and you'll see how incredible he is built.This is the one role of all superhero movies where looks are equally as important as the acting talent. Captain America is basically a soldier on roids. So he is huge and could rip a mans head off with ease. It would be like if they were going to make a movie about Arnold. The man would obviously have to be freakin' huge like big Arnie to be able to play the part. Like I said in another post - casting this role is basically impossible. Cena can't act and neither can OHearn. And Arnold is not American and too old. So most likely this movie won't be believable in any possible way unless Arnold and Lynda Carter have a son we don't know about....

[Spider-Fan]

Cause people are looking at Cap's physique as his most prominent feature, and thus look long and hard to get it right, while ignoring the feature that you need most in making a character believable in a movie: acting.

Like I have always said, you can make someone look bigger than they are, but if they have no talent, they won't suddenly have it playing Cap. Acting to me is way more important, and I falt out don't care if someone like DiCaprio is cast as Cap (I in fact support him or Damon for the role...though neither will probably do it). They can act and realize the character on screen better than some lame muscle -bound, no talent, dufus.

[Turtle-Man]

Cause Captain America is built like a bodybuilder. He's perfect. He was written and drawn to be the most muscular and best built man ever to be in a comic book. You must be new to Captain America.

Yeah, I admit I am new. I'm not unfamiliar with the Captain America character, though. It's just that trying to choose the most 'ripped' human out there severely compromises the number of casting choices available. It only makes sense to bring in the best actor, and not the biggest. The majority of the public knows Cap as the all-American hero with the shield, and changing one aspect of the character won't hurt the film at all.

Batman is no where near this bulky in The Dark Knight.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/40/Batmanlee.png

http://www.collider.com/uploads/imageGallery/Batman_The_Dark_Knight/batman_the_dark_knight_image.jpg

Neither is Superman in any of the Superman films, and Superman is supposed to have superhuman strength.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/72/Superman.jpg

http://www.ruggedelegantliving.com/a/images/Brandon.Routh.Superman.Retu.jpg


I'm sure we can live with Captain America being a bit leaner.

[Turtle-Man]

So most likely this movie won't be believable in any possible way unless Arnold and Lynda Carter have a son we don't know about....

Who says it won't be believable? Just because the character isn't Hulk-like? We've seen quality superhero films where the characters haven't quite matched their comic book counterparts. We don't need a giant Captain America to make the film 'believable'. We need a convincing actor. Acting is the most important aspect of the film.


This doesn't look too bulky to me, and it works. This Cap actually looks better than the one you posted above.

http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/wp-content/2007/10/CaptainAmericaAlexRossSketch3.jpg

[bunk]

I've been reading these forums for quite some time, and what bothers me is that everyone wants to cast some body builder as Captain America.


You clearly haven't been reading that closely to make such a statement.

[Turtle-Man]

You clearly haven't been reading that closely to make such a statement.

The last few pages in the casting thread have been all right, but I still see too many people talking about casting weight lifters and referring to Cap as "Mr. Steroids". NavSealShark's post is a perfect example of this.

[Evil Twin]

Not everyone draws Captain America as a bodybuilder type. I bet "linebacker" probably is a more accurate description of body type for the majority of Captain America's history.

And, really, the only real requirement is that whoever is cast be handsome, tall-ish, and athletic. If they go with an armor-type costume, as I suspect, you probably won't even see any definition through the costume. Plus you'll likely want someone who can play pre-transformation Steve Rogers believably.

There are many actors that can fit the above requirements. Why would you even need or want to look towards guys that haven't a second of serious acting experience to headline a $100+ million movie?

[chiefchirpa]

Thor needs to be a (semi) body builder.

Cap in comparison doesn't have to be one.

[COAL TIGER]

http://img60.imageshack.us/img60/1008/builtcapfs2.th.jpg (http://img60.imageshack.us/my.php?image=builtcapfs2.jpg) Cause Captain America is built like a bodybuilder. He's perfect. He was written and drawn to be the most muscular and best built man ever to be in a comic book. You must be new to Captain America. Just check out his comics and you'll see how incredible he is built.This is the one role of all superhero movies where looks are equally as important as the acting talent. Captain America is basically a soldier on roids. So he is huge and could rip a mans head off with ease. It would be like if they were going to make a movie about Arnold. The man would obviously have to be freakin' huge like big Arnie to be able to play the part. Like I said in another post - casting this role is basically impossible. Cena can't act and neither can OHearn. And Arnold is not American and too old. So most likely this movie won't be believable in any possible way unless Arnold and Lynda Carter have a son we don't know about....

That's why Cap is one of few superheroes that should be played by someone who can or has put on a good amount of mucsle. I know there's some actor out there that can fit the role good. Some people always act like there's never an actor that can act and fit the look of character.

[tamron]

http://img60.imageshack.us/img60/1008/builtcapfs2.th.jpg (http://img60.imageshack.us/my.php?image=builtcapfs2.jpg)

That picture is not even Captain America. That's Rob Liefield's Fighting American. And as Liefield has little concept of anatomy, he's not exactly the best artist to use as reference for casting.

This doesn't look like a linebacker to me:

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/4617/captainamericabk8.jpg

It looks like a gymnast.

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/7660/81658675gq1.jpg

Cap is a world class gymnast, and is built like one. They need a guy with muscle, yes, but he also has to be flexible enough to do the acrobatic moves Cap is known for.

[bunk]

What would be the difference between a linebacker an an Olympic gymnast? Not much really. Both are in peak physical condition and are fast, strong, and yes flexible. Linebackers wouldn't last very long if they weren't flexible. The only difference is, in general size, linebackers being taller and thus weighing more.

[Evil Twin]

I think the main point is that Captain isn't a musclebound oaf, but a flexible, conditioned athlete, whether it's a "soldier", "linebacker", "gymnast", or "decathlete" type. And those types describe the majority of Cap's history, including how Jack Kirby drew him, not as some bodybuilder type. How big does Cap look when he's slugging out Hitler on that famous cover? Heck, Kirby was most interested in Cap as a dynamic character, bouncing all over the page in a fight.

[Wolfman]

Mostly people on the Cap casting board have suggested different actor's for the part, rarely any bodybuilders. But Cap shouldn't be bodybuilder size in the movie, because bodybuilders aren't that flexible, they're muscles can get in the way. Like Schwarzenegger, who had to tone down for Conan The Barbarian, because his chest muscles got in the way of wielding the sword.

[WeaponXProject]

I hate this body builder crap about Cap. No one looks close to that big in Holywood and I would rather have the acting chops and the facial features than have the overdone physique.

This is rediculous, I have even heard people say Hugh Jackman still isn't ripped enough to be Wolverine. That's so stupid. The look will still translate on film as long as the actor is in good shape. Hell they could even do tricks with the outfit to make the actor look stronger.

I want:
1. Pitt
2. Leo
3. Eckhardt

[COAL TIGER]

Anybody who wants DiCaprio as Cap is stupid.

[WeaponXProject]

Anybody who wants DiCaprio as Cap is stupid.


Please, you probably want some WCW or whatever wrestler to play him.

There are two reasons you are saying that (and that's me thinking you are a reasonable person):
1. He is too small and not built enough to play the character
2. He is too booked up because he is one of the top tier actors in Holywood.

Make a suggestion then...

Marvel has their eye on him for the character, and if you are making fun of the man's acting skills...well I don't even have to say it do I?

Also, learn how to jump in a thread and make a statement with a backing to it, its a little more respectful than calling someone an stupid.

[Evil Twin]

Yeah, who wants a 6' 1", blonde haired, handsome, multiple Oscar nominee, box office draw for Captain America? :huh:

[WeaponXProject]

Yeah, who wants a 6' 1", blonde haired, handsome, multiple Oscar nominee, box office draw for Captain America? :huh:

Thanks. Some people, like Arc, have more push for look than talent. And his look isn't far off at all.

[COAL TIGER]

I hate this body builder crap about Cap. No one looks close to that big in Holywood and I would rather have the acting chops and the facial features than have the overdone physique.


Michael Jai White is built like Cap in the comics. He's not white, but he's an actor in Hollywood that's built like him.

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f156/bridgeforth/20070704-michael-ja-iwhite-2.jpg

I know somebodies gonna reply to this and say he can't act.

[COAL TIGER]

Please, you probably want some WCW or whatever wrestler to play him.

There are two reasons you are saying that (and that's me thinking you are a reasonable person):
1. He is too small and not built enough to play the character
2. He is too booked up because he is one of the top tier actors in Holywood.

Make a suggestion then...

Marvel has their eye on him for the character, and if you are making fun of the man's acting skills...well I don't even have to say it do I?

Also, learn how to jump in a thread and make a statement with a backing to it, its a little more respectful than calling someone an stupid.

DiCaprio looks like a little boy man please. I didn't say anything about no WCW wreatlers or anything about his acting skills. Quite throwing words in my mouth.

[COAL TIGER]

Yeah, who wants a 6' 1", blonde haired, handsome, multiple Oscar nominee, box office draw for Captain America? :huh:

And he looks like a pretty little boy. He doesn't come off as tough what so ever.

[The Major]

Michael Jai White is built like Cap in the comics. He's not white, but he's an actor in Hollywood that's built like him.

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f156/bridgeforth/20070704-michael-ja-iwhite-2.jpg

I know somebodies gonna reply to this and say he can't act.

If they ever get Falcon in a movie he should be considered for it.

[The Major]

And he looks like a pretty little boy. He doesn't come off as tough what so ever.

Captain America is supposed to have a body which is the physical peak of humanity.

That doesn't fit DiCaprio at all. He has the acting talent to make it work, though.

Someone like Brad Pitt or Karl Urban could do both. That's the type of actor Marvel needs for Cap IMO.

[KangConquers]

Anybody who wants DiCaprio as Cap is stupid.

I want Leo for Cap and I'm actually quite intelligent.

I'd rather have an completely capable actor as Cap than a piss-poor actor.

[COAL TIGER]

Thanks. Some people, like Arc, have more push for look than talent. And his look isn't far off at all.

How would you feel if Wolverine was played by Ryan Reynolds? He can act, but doesn't fit wolverine at all. And Dicaprio looks like a little boy, Cap doesn't

[KangConquers]

How would you feel if Wolverine was played by Ryan Reynolds? He can act, but doesn't fit wolverine at all. And Dicaprio looks like a little boy, Cap doesn't

Ryan Reynolds can act? HAH.

He's a very average actor, whereas Dicaprio is among his generation's finest actors.

Comparing Leo's acting ability to Ryan Reynolds is like comparing Freud to Dr. Phil in terms of credibility.

[The Major]

Kang:

RR can act. Watch Smokin' Aces.

[KangConquers]

Kang:

RR can act. Watch Smokin' Aces.

Wasn't Smokin' Aces a universally bashed Tarantino rip off?

[The Major]

Nothing I've seen him in indicates that he's anywhere near Leo's level of skill,

He isn't. RR is still a very talented actor who could do Cap better IMO.

but I'll check out Smokin' Aces.

Cool. :D

[The Major]

Wasn't Smokin' Aces a universally bashed Tarantino rip off?

I'm not sure. I haven't read the critics reviews.

If it was its the best Tarantino rip-off I've ever seen. If you're a fan of Brian Michael Bendis you'll love it.

[Evil Twin]

Dicaprio is filling out with age and no longer looks like a boy, but an adult. He's even filling out his frame, go check out some of the set pictures from Shutter Island.

Yeah, he's not physically perfect, but he's a very talented actor and certainly he's been choosing roles which have required him to be more physical lately. He's certainly believable as an undercover cop or mercenary. And Body of Lies and Shutter Island are continuing that trend.

Heck, we don't know how much he could buff up as he's never been asked to do that before.

I'm not saying that he's an ideal choice, but he's certainly a lot closer to ideal than any bodybuilder and he most certainly could hold his own against Robert Downey Jr. and Edward Norton in a movie.

Edit: I know this isn't the best, but does this photo look like a skinny boy?

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y178/eviltwin120/ashecliffe2.jpg

[Peyton Westlake]

Well no actor is going to devote 75% of his time to lifting & 25% of it to the skill of acting, if they do, I can assure you they won't be a good actor. Actors study the art of acting to be as good as they can be, so you're never going to find a 'roided out one who can act, including Arnold. He got catapulted into acting because he was huge, he's gotten better over the years, but not close to being an Oscar worthy actor. So if you want a 'Dark Knight' style movie for Cap, forget about getting a muscular guy. You want the movie to be good? or do you just want to look at a guy?

[KangConquers]

Exactly.

I don't want some crappy popcorn flick I'll never watch again.

I want this to be a fine piece of movie. That requires a fine actor.

[Peyton Westlake]

Exactly.

I don't want some crappy popcorn flick I'll never watch again.

I want this to be a fine piece of movie. That requires a fine actor.


Thank God, someone with a little sense,lol.

[KangConquers]

Thank God, someone with a little sense,lol.

So many people here would be completely satisfied with a Captain America flick on the quality level of Blade or Daredevil. I don't want an average movie.

Captain America deserves to be as good as Iron Man, The Dark Knight, Spider-Man 2, Richard Donnor's Superman and other comic movies that were actually taken seriously as films; people don't realize that the average comic book movie is objectively a p.o.s. and that the only reason they enjoy them are that they are fans of the characters.

This board is full of people who have pigeon holed Cap as a bland, jigonistic 1 dimensional hero, that can easily be played by a d-list actor. Cap is just as intricate as Batman. There are so many mixed emotions that go along with the character; he's an 80 year old man in a 25 year old's body. He's a symbol of a nation that has lost it's way. He's not just some smiling square-jawed musclehead.

[Peyton Westlake]

So many people here would be completely satisfied with a Captain America flick on the quality level of Blade or Daredevil. I don't want an average movie.

Captain America deserves to be as good as Iron Man, The Dark Knight, Spider-Man 2, Richard Donnor's Superman and other comic movies that were actually taken seriously as films; people don't realize that the average comic book movie is objectively a p.o.s. and that the only reason they enjoy them are that they are fans of the characters.

This board is full of people who have pigeon holed Cap as a bland, jigonistic 1 dimensional hero, that can easily be played by a d-list actor. Cap is just as intricate as Batman. There are so many mixed emotions that go along with the character; he's an 80 year old man in a 25 year old's body. He's a symbol of a nation that has lost it's way. He's not just some smiling square-jawed musclehead.


Well put brother, should start a thread just with this post. I agree 100%. Cap is as conflicted, maybe even more, then Batman you can argue. If you want the writer's words to have a feeling & believability to them...get an actor. Not a wrstler/bodybuilder/freak who can only utter a few lines here & there.

[The Major]

Well no actor is going to devote 75% of his time to lifting & 25% of it to the skill of acting, if they do, I can assure you they won't be a good actor. Actors study the art of acting to be as good as they can be, so you're never going to find a 'roided out one who can act, including Arnold. He got catapulted into acting because he was huge, he's gotten better over the years, but not close to being an Oscar worthy actor. So if you want a 'Dark Knight' style movie for Cap, forget about getting a muscular guy. You want the movie to be good? or do you just want to look at a guy?

It should to be a compromise of acting skill and looking look the character. Like what they did with Bale in Batman.

[KangConquers]

It should to be a compromise of acting skill and looking look the character. Like what they did with Bale in Batman.

Leo is that compromise. He's not a small man; watch The Departed, he's the biggest guy in the whole movie.

[Peyton Westlake]

It should to be a compromise of acting skill and looking look the character. Like what they did with Bale in Batman.

Well I agree. Bale can be a good actor. And yes he did bulk up to play Batman. But he is believable, in 200lb. range Im guessing, not hardly a steroid freak.

[KangConquers]

Well I agree. Bale can be a good actor. And yes he did bulk up to play Batman. But he is believable, in 200lb. range Im guessing, not hardly a steroid freak.

Yeah exactly. a 240 lb cap just isn't doable. I'd be fine with a 200 lb Cap.

[Peyton Westlake]

Right Kang. The 3 things you need for CAp to be kick ass is, IMO

1.The Writer
2. Director
3. the actor

if those 3 are a good team, the rest will take care of itself.

[WeaponXProject]

How would you feel if Wolverine was played by Ryan Reynolds? He can act, but doesn't fit wolverine at all. And Dicaprio looks like a little boy, Cap doesn't


DiCaprio doesn't look like a little boy anymore. See pics in thread.

And as much as I like Ryan Reynolds playing Deadpool, and like is a stretch, he is not a good actor. So I would hate it.

[WeaponXProject]

DiCaprio looks like a little boy man please. I didn't say anything about no WCW wreatlers or anything about his acting skills. Quite throwing words in my mouth.


Then don't say stupid stuff like voting for DiCaprio makes me stupid. I haven't heard a legitimate choice from you yet. You show us a picture of Gamble from TDK and suggest that their are actors out there who are as big as superheroes. Well he is not a good/great actor which is why he plays a side character in a movie who is one dimensional and dies. He is in TDK for like 5 minutes!

I agree on some level that DiCaprio looks young but he could still play Cap. All I hear from other people is that DiCaprio is too young and Pitt is too old. Well make a damn suggestion then and don't call people stupid.

[WeaponXProject]

Well no actor is going to devote 75% of his time to lifting & 25% of it to the skill of acting, if they do, I can assure you they won't be a good actor. Actors study the art of acting to be as good as they can be, so you're never going to find a 'roided out one who can act, including Arnold. He got catapulted into acting because he was huge, he's gotten better over the years, but not close to being an Oscar worthy actor. So if you want a 'Dark Knight' style movie for Cap, forget about getting a muscular guy. You want the movie to be good? or do you just want to look at a guy?

That's why I want DiCaprio or Pitt.

[COAL TIGER]

Why the hell does the actor playing Cap have to give a oscar worthy performance? As long as the actor does a good job it doesn't matter. You can wish for a CA movie to be on the same level as TDK but it's probably not gonna happen because Marvel doesn't seem to want to go that far. So get over it and be happy you're even getting a CA movie.

[Turtle-Man]

Five years ago, it would've been no to Leo. It might be a possibility now, though. And yeah, I was about to compare Captain America to a gymnast. They gain their strength and physique from training with the bars and rings. Cap can be the same way. The film needs a guy who can act well and give the character depth. Take a look at Christian Bale from Rescue Dawn, then Batman from The Dark Knight. The body can always change, but only a select few know how to put on a convincing performance.

Oh, and Cap needs a darker, less... radiant suit for the film. "Sky-blue" just won't work.

[Hiruu]

If Leo DiCaprio wanted the role, Marvel would be absolutely crazy not to make it happen...period! He's an international star that would push the picture overseas, and he's got all the acting cred to make this movie not a camp adventure of overblown patriotism. As far as his physique...are you kidding me? Have you'll seen Jake GykelRESFsfes whatever, and his bulking up for Prince of Persia? Leo would hit the weights and get bulked and ripped for the role, so considering that girls swoon for him (see Titanic's B.O.) and he's got tons of acting cred...seems like they should pick him if he wants it...or maybe Matt Damon.

[KangConquers]

Why the hell does the actor playing Cap have to give a oscar worthy performance? As long as the actor does a good job it doesn't matter. You can wish for a CA movie to be on the same level as TDK but it's probably not gonna happen because Marvel doesn't seem to want to go that far. So get over it and be happy you're even getting a CA movie.

See this is the exact STUPID attitude most fans have who want a body-builder Cap.

Cap deserves justice in his portrayal. And some big meat head won't give it to him. And what do you know about what Marvel wants and doesn't want? Iron Man was a high quality movie, Hulk was good. We know NOTHING about Cap right now. I just hope they honor the character.

[Hiruu]

See this is the exact STUPID attitude most fans have who want a body-builder Cap.

Cap deserves justice in his portrayal. And some big meat head won't give it to him. And what do you know about what Marvel wants and doesn't want? Iron Man was a high quality movie, Hulk was good. We know NOTHING about Cap right now. I just hope they honor the character.

I know right...it's like...See TDK's results as more than evident proof of what a well hyped movie can do.

[The Major]

I know right...it's like...See TDK's results as more than evident proof of what a well hyped movie can do.

The hype was good. It just had many elements Cap won't be able to duplicate or find it difficult to do all of them.

TDK was a sequel to a critically acclaimed financially successful movie that made Batman relevant again. It had an all-star cast. The director had proven he can do the character justice. Whatever doubts about ledger as Joker disappeared once the trailers were released and he expected to be an awesome Joker just from that. It had a famous, talented, handsome actor dying under mysterious circumstances who looked like he was doing a better job in the same role as Jack Nicolson just from seeing the trailers months before the film was released and it was a higher profile franchise then Cap.

Its experimental and greatly executed marketing just capitalized on the momentum from all the above to its maximum potential.

[NavSealShark]

Michael Jai White is built like Cap in the comics. He's not white, but he's an actor in Hollywood that's built like him.

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f156/bridgeforth/20070704-michael-ja-iwhite-2.jpg

I know somebodies gonna reply to this and say he can't act.

If only he were white!! Yeah he has the body. I don't know about his face though. Even if he were white he doesn't have the strong jaw I don't think.I agree with Kang that acting is definitely important but this role is about being a believable Captain America so just throwing some oscar award winner into the role could never work.I think they will obviously have to compromise on both acting and look. They will probably have to sacrifice some acting experience to get at least a strong looking muscular man and they will have to sacrifice the look by ton to get at least someone with some good talent. And to me being a Pacino/Day Lewis isn't what this part is about. It's about have a prescence about you and being able to take command of the part. As Arnold and Stallone can easliy do. This movie is going to be laughable though because there is noone in the world who looks like Captain America. They wrote the character to be so perfect that it ruined the chance to ever have a believable movie.Guess at least we have the cartoon versions which are pretty good.

[Rage]

Movie magic can make an actor look larger/smaller/shorter/taller. Do you think that Ron Perlman is really that big now? He's wearing a body suit. Tobey Maguire had a body double to do the "skinny Parker" stuff.

Find an actor...and mold them to the role. I would be thrilled to death if Pitt or DiCaprio played Cap. Both could easily pull it off with a little movie magic. I would be more thrilled if they used less movie magic and actually worked out.

Honestly Cap doesn't need to be Mike O'hearn big...he just needs to be Bale/Reynolds type size. Cap is the perfect human, not the perfect body builder. Remember that way back when they started doing superhero comics Steve Reeves was considered the perfect male... This is what they had in mind when they created Captain America...

http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/4847/sreev006.jpg http://www.thereplicators.com/images/misc/sreeves3.jpg

Not...

http://members.lycos.nl/tijdspiegel/pics/bodybuilder.jpg http://estb.msn.com/i/6B/917B20A6BE353420124115B1A511C7.jpg


This seems like about the physique we can expect though...

http://www.socalworkout.com/wpblog/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/cin_bale.jpg http://bestof.provocateuse.com/images/photos/ryan_reynolds_99.jpg
http://www.michellerowen.com/blog/uploaded_images/hugh_3-791989.jpg

Rage

[The Major]

This seems like about the physique we can expect though...

http://www.socalworkout.com/wpblog/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/cin_bale.jpg http://bestof.provocateuse.com/images/photos/ryan_reynolds_99.jpg
http://www.michellerowen.com/blog/uploaded_images/hugh_3-791989.jpg

Rage

That's fine with me.

[Hiruu]

Movie magic can make an actor look larger/smaller/shorter/taller. Do you think that Ron Perlman is really that big now? He's wearing a body suit. Tobey Maguire had a body double to do the "skinny Parker" stuff.

Find an actor...and mold them to the role. I would be thrilled to death if Pitt or DiCaprio played Cap. Both could easily pull it off with a little movie magic. I would be more thrilled if they used less movie magic and actually worked out.

Honestly Cap doesn't need to be Mike O'hearn big...he just needs to be Bale/Reynolds type size. Cap is the perfect human, not the perfect body builder. Remember that way back when they started doing superhero comics Steve Reeves was considered the perfect male... This is what they had in mind when they created Captain America...

http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/4847/sreev006.jpg http://www.thereplicators.com/images/misc/sreeves3.jpg

Not...

http://members.lycos.nl/tijdspiegel/pics/bodybuilder.jpg http://estb.msn.com/i/6B/917B20A6BE353420124115B1A511C7.jpg


This seems like about the physique we can expect though...

http://www.socalworkout.com/wpblog/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/cin_bale.jpg http://bestof.provocateuse.com/images/photos/ryan_reynolds_99.jpg
http://www.michellerowen.com/blog/uploaded_images/hugh_3-791989.jpg

Rage

D-A-M-N!!!! Those dudes are HUGE...maybe for the role of Guido!

[Bubonic]

And he looks like a pretty little boy. He doesn't come off as tough what so ever.

He looked pretty tough to me in the Departed.

[Spider-Fan]

Anybody who wants DiCaprio as Cap is stupid.

Who's the real idiot? The person who wants Leo, or the person insulting the guy who wants Leo :whatever:

Sorry, if you're gonna insult me, I won't play nice.

[Turtle-Man]

I actually like the idea of giving Cap a gun. All soldiers carry guns, and the military might want to provide him with a gun. He might be tempted to use the weapon at first, but his personality will ultimately decide whether or not he will kill. He'd probably go through a learning process, and could start off killing several people in a matter of moments. Character development is key, and we'd probably start with him being a bit irresponsible. We would see bodies scattered everywhere, and as time passes he'd begin to question if what he did was right. The gun could be used as a symbol of some sort, and a way of adding even more conflict to the character.

Imagine how epic the film could be if the actor successfully pulls off such convincing sequences. With a good screenplay and excellent acting, we could get a terrific film.

[bullets]

Anybody who wants DiCaprio as Cap is stupid.


I really don't see it either but it wouldn't be a 'stupid' choice just an offbeat one.

[NavSealShark]

Those pictures that Rage posted of the huge super sterioided up guys are completely fake. Let me explain. The first pic of the black guy is photoshoped to make him look cartoonish big. He is big but not THAT big. That is a tricked up photo. Also that fool that looks like he is straining to flex himself till he keels over - that is a real photo BUT that man is known to be a lunatic and actually pumps a type of glue into his arms to make his arms look freakishly big. It's not that much different than getting implants for women. That guy uses sythol (pump and pose). Like I said it's a thick substance you inject into areas of your body and they harder to look like muscles. It's also very dangerous to do.
Lasty that picture that Rage posted of Steve Reeves is really perfect to me. That is about what Captain America should look like. But Leo or Pitt or any of these actors could never in a million years look like that good unless they had devoted their lives to bodybuilding.
Anyway, don't get me wrong this movie needs a great actor. But you have to "act" with your body as much as from within for this role and there is nobody who can make this movie believable with their look at all.
It's a shame there aren't any really well built actors anymore. Everyone is so average it's not even funny. The days of Arnold/Stallone/Van Damme are gone it seems.
There is no hope for this movie but it's fun to see Marvel spin there wheels with this.

[Turtle-Man]

Those pictures that Rage posted of the huge super sterioided up guys are completely fake. Let me explain. The first pic of the black guy is photoshoped to make him look cartoonish big. He is big but not THAT big. That is a tricked up photo. Also that fool that looks like he is straining to flex himself till he keels over - that is a real photo BUT that man is known to be a lunatic and actually pumps a type of glue into his arms to make his arms look freakishly big. It's not that much different than getting implants for women. That guy uses sythol (pump and pose). Like I said it's a thick substance you inject into areas of your body and they harder to look like muscles. It's also very dangerous to do.
Lasty that picture that Rage posted of Steve Reeves is really perfect to me. That is about what Captain America should look like. But Leo or Pitt or any of these actors could never in a million years look like that good unless they had devoted their lives to bodybuilding.
Anyway, don't get me wrong this movie needs a great actor. But you have to "act" with your body as much as from within for this role and there is nobody who can make this movie believable with their look at all.
It's a shame there aren't any really well built actors anymore. Everyone is so average it's not even funny. The days of Arnold/Stallone/Van Damme are gone it seems.
There is no hope for this movie but it's fun to see Marvel spin there wheels with this.

You're the guy who wants the Hulked-up Cap. Acting is the key to the film's success. When you say 'there's no hope for this movie', you're simply assuming this film needs a giant to succeed. You think this film's 'hope' relies on whether or not Cap is a giant.

Have you even seen any classic or recent Captain America depictions? He's no where near the giant you make him out to be. The film needs a good story, stellar acting, and a serious, dramatic tone. Casting a one-dimensional body builder won't make this film any better. It may even make the film worse.

[Turtle-Man]

This is not Arnold.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y99/ianinozzie/Marvel%20Zombies/CaptainAmericaComics1.jpg

http://savesteverogers.com/db1/00057/savesteverogers.com/_uimages/Captain_America.jpg

[NavSealShark]

Turtle those pics you post are from the 50's and that was HUGE back then. In 90 percent of Captain Comics he looks like this:

http://pichostonline.com/u/080813/4e32a48204.jpg (http://pichostonline.com/)

And I don't want a Hulk Captain America. No way. That would be wrong. I would want a good actor not just some bodybuilder. The Steve Reeves vintage bodybuilding picture Rage posted is my idea of a great Captain America.
Captain America is a super solider with a Rambo heart and he's on steroids. Captain America is a roided up guy. Haha. So I mean come on you can't have some average joe blow looking actor in the role. And you can't have some slightly better looking that average looking guy in the role.
I'm just stating that this movie won't be believable in the least. There is nobody who looks like Captain America. This isn't Batman who is in the dark half the time or Superman who doesn't need muscle because he already has superpowers. - This is Captain America. He was created to be the most perfect man. So whala there is nobody that meets that standard. You guys let me down here. I was hoping you would have found somebody that was close at least with all the casting threads you have here.

[Peyton Westlake]

I dont think an 'oscar worthy' performance is what Marvel should shoot for. After all, is only a handful of films that would even be close enough to get that nod. Would be unrealistic of Marvel to say they want a shot at making oscar caliber films as well as haul in money. It would be nice if Cap's actor did,lol But not necessary. Just be like Bale as Batman. Bale is not going to win an Oscar for Batman, but he does act well as Bruce Wayne. Thats all Cap needs. And he can get that from a well honed actor.

[TheVileOne]

Geezus Christ. All they need to do is get a good performer that's in generally good shape. Beef him up a little, and that's it.

This should not be an argument. They won't get some crappy bodybuilder like Mike O'Hearn to do the role.

[higrass]

Geezus Christ. All they need to do is get a good performer that's in generally good shape. Beef him up a little, and that's it.

This should not be an argument. They won't get some crappy bodybuilder like Mike O'Hearn to do the role.

Yes indeed I have heard about that, a good performer is more important. :bh:

[Nathan]

Get a good actor with a good body and let him do the same training as the Spartan actors from 300. Then we're good to go.

[WeaponXProject]

Why the hell does the actor playing Cap have to give a oscar worthy performance? As long as the actor does a good job it doesn't matter. You can wish for a CA movie to be on the same level as TDK but it's probably not gonna happen because Marvel doesn't seem to want to go that far. So get over it and be happy you're even getting a CA movie.


We don't need an Oscar worthy performance. I agree with that but why wouldn't you want a big name like Pitt and DiCaprio. I know you don't like DiCaprio's look but I can't blame Marvel for looking at two actors who sell every movie they do. Getting one of their faces on screen will help sell more than anything else. I remember how mad some people got about RDJ jr. playing Tony Stark. He was too old, and had a bad history. But he became Tony Stark bc he is a good actor and no one had a problem with it when the movie came out. Same with Edward Norton, he has the acting over the looks.

[COAL TIGER]

See this is the exact STUPID attitude most fans have who want a body-builder Cap.

Cap deserves justice in his portrayal. And some big meat head won't give it to him. And what do you know about what Marvel wants and doesn't want? Iron Man was a high quality movie, Hulk was good. We know NOTHING about Cap right now. I just hope they honor the character.

Just because I'm not expecting an oscar worthy performance from who evers gonna play Cap that means I want a body-builder that can't act? It seems to me like you want this to be a Godfather. Iron Man and Hulk was no where near anything like that so it doesn't seem like Marvel wants to go that far.

[Odin's Lapdog]

how many topless scenes are we expecting, they'd be like 2/3 max, no point fussing too much on it, they'll cgi it accordingly and probably add some bulk to the costume.

the thing is peak human condition is a concept everyone is alien to. it may not actually be muscly at all in a normal form. they may have the super soldier serum make anyone perform in a peak human condition and not necessarily LOOK in peak human condition.

let's think about it. We need an actor who can play both the skinny pre-formulae cap and also the post serum cap.

wouldn't a super soldier serum that enhanced performance rather than physique be a concept the studios might look at, this way it opens up cap's role to those who are worthy of it based on acting merit rather than physique.

just get mat damon in the role and let's be done with all this arguing.

[Hmarrs]

That picture is not even Captain America. That's Rob Liefield's Fighting American. And as Liefield has little concept of anatomy, he's not exactly the best artist to use as reference for casting.

This doesn't look like a linebacker to me:

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/4617/captainamericabk8.jpg

It looks like a gymnast.

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/7660/81658675gq1.jpg

Cap is a world class gymnast, and is built like one. They need a guy with muscle, yes, but he also has to be flexible enough to do the acrobatic moves Cap is known for.
Exactly and actually a gymnast is actually in better physical condition,as he can use and command his body to perform things that can only be done if his body is in top Physical condition.
A linebacker packs on as much weight as possible and can move at great speeds perferct if we were casting the Rhino.
A body builder looks in good condition hence the name bodybuilding it's more art that agility being the slowest of the three.
But neither the linebacker or the bodybuilder have the agility or physical peak of a gymnast and they are extremy strong don't kid yourself.

[TheVileOne]

The logic of some of the people here is ridiculous.

Bodybuilders that can act? Sorry, they are in very short supply.

Just because its a good performer doesn't mean it will be an oscar level performance.

And what is wrong with a person in reasonably good shape that can just get big? Seriously. Enough of the ridiculous BS.

[Rich Santoro]

Yeah... enough of the ridiculous BS... like lecturing people on a message board because they are silly fanboys. Whatever. Carry on...

[KangConquers]

Just because I'm not expecting an oscar worthy performance from who evers gonna play Cap that means I want a body-builder that can't act? It seems to me like you want this to be a Godfather. Iron Man and Hulk was no where near anything like that so it doesn't seem like Marvel wants to go that far.

I think they should shoot the best movie they possibly can.

I just don't want this to turn into another ****ing Daredevil or Ghost Rider; if Cap is anything less than Iron Man quality, I'll be massively dissapointed.

[WeaponXProject]

I think I would like to see a well reviewed movie with good-great acting for the movie. I movie I can enjoy and be proud of what Marvel has done. I mean Iron Man recieved over 90% good reviews. I would like Cap to be around that and a no name or a roid head are not gonna bring that.

Considering some of Marvel's flops, I think that Marvel means business when it comes to doing their characters justice on screen. I think that's why they are pursuing such big names.

[Rich Santoro]

^ Yes... exactly... well said

[The Major]

We don't need an Oscar worthy performance. I agree with that but why wouldn't you want a big name like Pitt and DiCaprio. I know you don't like DiCaprio's look but I can't blame Marvel for looking at two actors who sell every movie they do. Getting one of their faces on screen will help sell more than anything else. I remember how mad some people got about RDJ jr. playing Tony Stark. He was too old, and had a bad history. But he became Tony Stark bc he is a good actor and no one had a problem with it when the movie came out. Same with Edward Norton, he has the acting over the looks.
You can't compare Tony Stark with other heroes. With him they can get away with an older, less physically fit actor. That's why RDJ was perfect. He's not a hero who needs huge muscles to work. He's a scientist not a warrior. He relies on his armor to fight enemies not his body. It's the same with Bruce Banner. He isn't the one who gets into battle scenes the Hulk is.

Cap is the complete opposite of that. He needs to look and act like he has the strength and skill to annihilate several armed men in combat with his bare hands.

[Chris Wallace]

I've been reading these forums for quite some time, and what bothers me is that everyone wants to cast some body builder as Captain America. You all want the guy with the square jaw, and the tough guy look. It really isn't necessary, though. We've seen Wolverine, Batman and Superman on screen. We've seen their comic book counterparts. None of the on-screen characters are anywhere near as bulky as their comic book affiliates. Why would you want Captain America to be any different?

A good Cap would be someone who can act well, give the film a serious tone, and express weakness and strength. Every human being has a flaw, and although you may state that "Captain America has no flaws", weaknesses in a person's state of mind can add so much more depth to any character. Other than this, all the actor needs is to be able to put on some muscle. We don't need Cap having an Arnold-type body.

And what's with the name "First Avenger: Captain America"? Why not just plain, old "Captain America"?
Not necessarily Arnold, but he HAS to be buff & toned.

[WeaponXProject]

You can't compare Tony Stark with other heroes. With him they can get away with an older, less physically fit actor. He's not a hero who needs huge muscles to work. He's a scientist not a warrior. He relies on his armor to fight enemies not his body. It's the same with Bruce Banner. He isn't the one who gets into battle scenes the Hulk is.

Cap is the complete opposite of that. He needs to look and act like he has the strength and skill to annihilate several armed men in combat with his bare hands.


I disagree, you don't need someone that huge to be Captain America. I think as Tony Stark, I envisioned a suave Italian looking guy who didn't look so old but RDJ worked anyway. As for the Hulk, Ed Norton looked nothing like Bruce Banner what so ever and people still accepted him as Bruce Banner.

With Cap, you need muscles, blonde hair and a decent resemblance. But you don't need extraordinary bulging muscles.

So Brad Pitt doesn't have that look? Have you seen Troy? I didn't like the movie but he was a beast in that. Or even his scenes in Snatch...That's a little more realistic than putting Jason Giambi in an outfit.

[COAL TIGER]

I disagree, you don't need someone that huge to be Captain America. I think as Tony Stark, I envisioned a suave Italian looking guy who didn't look so old but RDJ worked anyway. As for the Hulk, Ed Norton looked nothing like Bruce Banner what so ever and people still accepted him as Bruce Banner.

Neither of those dudes had to look like they can actually fight againts a number of people and win. So they're not good examples.

[The Major]

I disagree, you don't need someone that huge to be Captain America.
Being extremely fit and huge aren't necessarily the same thing.

I think as Tony Stark, I envisioned a suave Italian looking guy who didn't look so old but RDJ worked anyway.

RDJ was always my first choice for Tony. Think about it, Tony is a guy who'd fit right in at a board meeting, not a soldier. With Cap they need a soldier.

As for the Hulk, Ed Norton looked nothing like Bruce Banner what so ever and people still accepted him as Bruce Banner.

They got the basics with him right. Norton was in shape but he was a convincing scientist not an action hero.

With Cap, you need muscles, blonde hair and a decent resemblance.

Agreed.

But you don't need extraordinary bulging muscles.

They do need someone who looks like a human male in their physical peak who is believable as one of the most dangerous fighters on Earth.

Whoever they get is going to have to be in incredible shape to pull that off.

So Brad Pitt doesn't have that look? Have you seen Troy? I didn't like the movie but he was a beast in that. Or even his scenes in Snatch...That's a little more realistic than putting Jason Giambi in an outfit.

That's the body type I'd like to see from Cap.

He was in great shape in Fight Club, too.

[WeaponXProject]

Arc, I am not arguing with you anymore. The point was that they don't look much like the people, not the suit or CGI giant. They resemble the characters slightly, that is all. Marvel WILL NOT pick someone with out pedigree. Like they picked talented actors over faces that look dead on the character.

Go ahead and throw out a name instead of just disagreeing. Maybe Marvel will like the idea, like DC picked Brandon Routh. Acting and plot make a good movie. A body makes a cool poster.

This thread was to talk about why somebody does or does not want a body builder to play Cap. All I have heard is you say no to what I say and put Michael Jai White in a picture for how superhero actors should look. I just think you need to realize that the translation to film from a comic book is hard to do. Take any fight scene from a comic book of Cap or Marvel (outside of Spidey). Every character looks outragiously ripped out! Now I do want Cap to be ripped but I want to know who you can find or suggest that can act well and be a big guy...

[WeaponXProject]

Being extremely fit and huge aren't necessarily the me thing.



RDJ was always my first choice for Tony. Think about it, Tony is a guy who'd fit right in at a board meeting, not a soldier. With Cap they need a soldier.



They got the basics with him right. Norton was in shape but he was a convincing scientist not an action hero.



Agreed.



They do need someone who looks like a human male in their physical peak who is believable as one of the most dangerous fighters on Earth.

Whoever they get is going to have to be in incredible shape to pull that off.



That's the body type I'd like to see from Cap.

He was in great shape in Fight Club, too.

It's like you agree with me but were still arguing. Oh well, atleast we are on the same page about Brad Pitt.

[The Major]

It's like you agree with me but were still arguing.

:D

Oh well, atleast we are on the same page about Brad Pitt.

Yup.

Another good example of Cap's body in film I'd use would be Ryan Reynolds in Blade Trinity. I'm not saying they should get him to play Cap just that whoever they get for Cap should have a physique like it.

[Hiruu]

:D



Yup.

Another good example of Cap's body in film I'd use would be Ryan Reynolds in Blade Trinity. I'm not saying they should get him to play Cap just that whoever they get for Cap should have a physique like it.

Brad Pitt is the only actor i know capable of either playing Captain America or Thor...

http://images.google.com/images?gbv=2&ndsp=21&hl=en&q=brad+pitt&start=0&sa=N

He's got the height issue, but then again...anybody know of a 6'6'' actor who can carry a massive franchise and have international appeal? The question is, how do you make a 5' 11" man look 6'3" to 6'6"???? The Bulk isn't the problem, it's the height issue, which is why he would be better for CA, over Thor, imho.

[The Major]

Hiruu:

Agreed.

[NavSealShark]

That gymnast picture you posted was hilarious! Good one! He's probably about 5'2 and 140 pounds. Gymnasts. Some of you guys are funny. I'll give you that much.

Yeah Kang what was with Daredevil? Ben Affleck ain't to shabby of an actor. I didn't think he carried the gusto within to pull it off myself. That's why I think beyond acting ablility you need a guy who can command and have the persona of Captain America the hero all hero's look up to for direction.

And to answer the question posed by this thread once again:

Captain America is a super solider on steriods. They juiced the man up so he would have superior muscle mass, superior strength, and superior stamina ect 10 times over what a normal man has.

Keep the posts a comin' this thread is great for some good laughs!

[Peyton Westlake]

I'm not even a Capt. America fan. But.I wasn't an Iron Man fan either until I saw RDJ give Stark some life. Thats all I think anyone would want who would want to see Cap portrayed right.

[cerealkiller182]

Its almost as bad to suggest an actor because he is famous and has a higher probablity of bulking up as it is to suggest a body builder instead of allowing for someone who can actually act and do the performance who can also get the size issue to correct spot that movie magic and the usual suspension of disbelief take over.

[Spider-Fan]

Its almost as bad to suggest an actor because he is famous and has a higher probablity of bulking up as it is to suggest a body builder instead of allowing for someone who can actually act and do the performance who can also get the size issue to correct spot that movie magic and the usual suspension of disbelief take over.

Fame is not the primary reason I advocate DiCaprio. It has little to do with fame. I feel he can capture the essence of Cap's character, while at the same time acting like someone who could lead a team of superheroes. DiCaprio has presence and talent. That is why I see him as an attractive choice. I think he can makes us belive Stark, Thor, etc. would follow him. That is what the person who is Cap needs to be. We can't just look at this as casting him for a Cap movie. Avengers needs to be taken into account. On screen presence, not steroid-like or freakish muscles, is THE single most important aspect in finding Captain America. And again, I like DiCaprio's presence. Not his fame.

[cerealkiller182]

Fame is not the primary reason I advocate DiCaprio. It has little to do with fame. I feel he can capture the essence of Cap's character, while at the same time acting like someone who could lead a team of superheroes. DiCaprio has presence and talent. That is why I see him as an attractive choice. I think he can makes us belive Stark, Thor, etc. would follow him. That is what the person who is Cap needs to be. We can't just look at this as casting him for a Cap movie. Avengers needs to be taken into account. On screen presence, not steroid-like or freakish muscles, is THE single most important aspect in finding Captain America. And again, I like DiCaprio's presence. Not his fame.

Never said it was about DiCaprio. It was directed at Hiruu's suggestion of Brad Pitt since that seems to be his only basis in his description

[Spider-Fan]

Never said it was about DiCaprio. It was directed at Hiruu's suggestion of Brad Pitt since that seems to be his only basis in his description

Ah, I gotcha. We cool :up:

Well, at least I got to again say why I advocate DiCaprio for Captain America :woot:

[NavSealShark]

Hey I can see you guys are just gung ho on Damon and Dicaprio and that's great. I do enjoy their movies and I don't see anything wrong with you pulling for your favorite actors. I bet Damon and Dicaprio are very thankful to have people like you who would do anything for them. You guys are the real deal ultimate fans of those guys that's for sure. Good for you!

[Spider-Vader]

Brad Pitt is the only actor i know capable of either playing Captain America or Thor...

http://images.google.com/images?gbv=2&ndsp=21&hl=en&q=brad+pitt&start=0&sa=N

He's got the height issue, but then again...anybody know of a 6'6'' actor who can carry a massive franchise and have international appeal? The question is, how do you make a 5' 11" man look 6'3" to 6'6"???? The Bulk isn't the problem, it's the height issue, which is why he would be better for CA, over Thor, imho.

I can see him playing Thor. But not Caps, I think Matt Damon would be a great Caps. Is height even that important? As long as he's not uber-short & looks ridiculous who gives a ****.

[MaskedManJRK]

Height can be fixed with perspective and the body can be worked on. They need someone who can genuinely act the character first.

[chamber-music]

Height can be fixed with perspective and the body can be worked on. They need someone who can genuinely act the character first.

agreed Matt Damon, Daniel Craig, Hugh Jackman, Christian Bale. They all hit the gym and buffed up. Actors can change their appearance.

[The Major]

But not Caps, I think Matt Damon would be a great Caps.

I'd prefer Matt to be DD, but he'd make a good Cap.

[Spider-Fan]

Hey I can see you guys are just gung ho on Damon and Dicaprio and that's great. I do enjoy their movies and I don't see anything wrong with you pulling for your favorite actors. I bet Damon and Dicaprio are very thankful to have people like you who would do anything for them. You guys are the real deal ultimate fans of those guys that's for sure. Good for you!

Again, you show nothing but sarcasm. Why don't you back your posts up with FACTS or ARGUMENTS. Trying to make fun of me for liking two actors for a specific role you disagree with just makes you look like an idiot. Defend your point with stuff that is tangible.

Until you do that, we are not in a discussion worth having and you might as well put me on ignore. Cause I will continue to provoke a real argument out of you until you deliver. Sound good?

[Rich Santoro]

Ignore him Spider-Fan. He has been obnoxious and useless on every thread he has been on...

Now I don't like DiCaprio for the role, but at least you are putting forward an arguement with reason attached to it.

[WeaponXProject]

Again, you show nothing but sarcasm. Why don't you back your posts up with FACTS or ARGUMENTS. Trying to make fun of me for liking two actors for a specific role you disagree with just makes you look like an idiot. Defend your point with stuff that is tangible.

Until you do that, we are not in a discussion worth having and you might as well put me on ignore. Cause I will continue to provoke a real argument out of you until you deliver. Sound good?

I have had the same issue with a couple of other posters now. Atfirst I just ask reason behink their thoughts and they mock you and curse at you. It's pointless...try to ignore him.

[Chris Wallace]

I disagree, you don't need someone that huge to be Captain America. I think as Tony Stark, I envisioned a suave Italian looking guy who didn't look so old but RDJ worked anyway. As for the Hulk, Ed Norton looked nothing like Bruce Banner what so ever and people still accepted him as Bruce Banner.

With Cap, you need muscles, blonde hair and a decent resemblance. But you don't need extraordinary bulging muscles.

So Brad Pitt doesn't have that look? Have you seen Troy? I didn't like the movie but he was a beast in that. Or even his scenes in Snatch...That's a little more realistic than putting Jason Giambi in an outfit.

I don't think anyone here is advocating HUGE muscles. But Cap has to have a strong, athletic look to him. I don't want somebody built like Randy Savage or Lou Ferrigno in the role, but I don't want someone in Michael Keaton's range, either.
I think, realistically, somone around Christian Bale's Batman physique, give or take 20-30 pounds, would be perfect.

[WeaponXProject]

I don't think anyone here is advocating HUGE muscles. But Cap has to have a strong, athletic look to him. I don't want somebody built like Randy Savage or Lou Ferrigno in the role, but I don't want someone in Michael Keaton's range, either.
I think, realistically, somone around Christian Bale's Batman physique, give or take 20-30 pounds, would be perfect.

I know, I just get flustered when I see pics of that Steve Rogers guy and other big guys with no talent. I don't think that's what Major, who I was talking to, wants. I can understand how that would be desired but I don't think Marvel will go that route.
I don't think there is anybody in Holywood that is a talented actor that is big like the Steve Rogers actor.
I don't want a small version but a compressed version would make more sense and be more realistic. I don't think anybody wants a wimp to play him.

I am hoping that whoever gets picked does the Bale workout before Batman Begins. Hell, have you have ever seen American Psycho, he is a beast in that too. I definitely hope they have the dedication of Hugh Jackman and Christian Bale for becoming the character.

Also, I like your pic.

[Hiruu]

Never said it was about DiCaprio. It was directed at Hiruu's suggestion of Brad Pitt since that seems to be his only basis in his description

I think Brad Pitt is one of many actors who could do a great job in the role, but I've seen too many people posting on absolute no-names with no starring roles to take over these jobs...I'm not for that...absolute not...the first qualification is...is the person a good actor....then it's a matter of ensureing they are dedicated enough to go thru the 6-8 months of trng to get their body up to snuff.

[Evil Twin]

I do think asking a big name actor to do two superhero films back to back is asking a lot though and may make casting Captain America tougher. That's probably the biggest obstacle to overcome.

Thinking outside the box a little, how about Patrick Wilson? 6' 1", American, light haired, and could get a good career boost out of Watchmen, which he won't be doing any sequel for.

[cerealkiller182]

I think Brad Pitt is one of many actors who could do a great job in the role, but I've seen too many people posting on absolute no-names with no starring roles to take over these jobs...I'm not for that...absolute not...the first qualification is...is the person a good actor....then it's a matter of ensureing they are dedicated enough to go thru the 6-8 months of trng to get their body up to snuff.

But I wonder what you consider is a good actor. I agree that we need a good actor, but your choice for Brad Pitt seems based on his mutli-leading man roles not on his actual acting ability. If Brad Pitt had mutli-supporting roles would you feel the same way, I wonder?

I agree that Brad Pitt is a valid suggestion. But are you more intrigued by the man or the name? Same guy (talent and experience and all) different level of fame would he still warrant consideration?

[The Major]

I know, I just get flustered when I see pics of that Steve Rogers guy and other big guys with no talent. I don't think that's what Major, who I was talking to, wants. I can understand how that would be desired but I don't think Marvel will go that route.
I don't think there is anybody in Holywood that is a talented actor that is big like the Steve Rogers actor.
I don't want a small version but a compressed version would make more sense and be more realistic. I don't think anybody wants a wimp to play him.

The Cap I'd want to see on film would have the physique of Hugh Jackman in the X-men films, Brad Pitt in Troy and Fight Club or Ryan Reynolds in Blade Trinity.

I am hoping that whoever gets picked does the Bale workout before Batman Begins. Hell, have you have ever seen American Psycho, he is a beast in that too. I definitely hope they have the dedication of Hugh Jackman and Christian Bale for becoming the character.

Also, I like your pic.

Agreed.

[WeaponXProject]

But I wonder what you consider is a good actor. I agree that we need a good actor, but your choice for Brad Pitt seems based on his mutli-leading man roles not on his actual acting ability. If Brad Pitt had mutli-supporting roles would you feel the same way, I wonder?

I agree that Brad Pitt is a valid suggestion. But are you more intrigued by the man or the name? Same guy (talent and experience and all) different level of fame would he still warrant consideration?

That's a valid point bc I think I have picked Brad Pitt on his talent and name a little over the look but I think he can adapt to the look. I know I am a little conflicted but I think Marvel wants to have an actor that will sell a 200 million dollar movie rather than the pure look of someone else. I am fine with that but I don't think many fans who have Cap's image of a person in their heads will accept it.

My main issue with comic book movies is that I wanna see a comic book movie but I really want it to be a good to great movie even if they have to change some things.

[Spider-Fan]

Ignore him Spider-Fan. He has been obnoxious and useless on every thread he has been on...

Now I don't like DiCaprio for the role, but at least you are putting forward an arguement with reason attached to it.

I would, but I don't use my ignore function. I'm paranoid like that.

As for point 2, exactly. I just love when I give my rational argument for Leo in the role, and I get "Danny DeVito" comments, with no real answer to my points. I can respect anyone who disagrees with me on Leo (like you). However, I can't respect anyone who refuses to make a rational argument when debating me.

I have had the same issue with a couple of other posters now. Atfirst I just ask reason behink their thoughts and they mock you and curse at you. It's pointless...try to ignore him.

I am one of those people who answers back when they are taunted...I've got a bit of a bad temper, but at least I can restrain myself from making ban worthy posts.

[Chris Wallace]

I know, I just get flustered when I see pics of that Steve Rogers guy and other big guys with no talent. I don't think that's what Major, who I was talking to, wants. I can understand how that would be desired but I don't think Marvel will go that route.
I don't think there is anybody in Holywood that is a talented actor that is big like the Steve Rogers actor.
I don't want a small version but a compressed version would make more sense and be more realistic. I don't think anybody wants a wimp to play him.

I am hoping that whoever gets picked does the Bale workout before Batman Begins. Hell, have you have ever seen American Psycho, he is a beast in that too. I definitely hope they have the dedication of Hugh Jackman and Christian Bale for becoming the character.

Also, I like your pic.Don't leave out Tobey; even he bulked up for his superhero role. Christopher Reeve, too, for that matter.
Which is another thing; they can get somebody who may not necessarily be beefy enough for the role, & he can put on the muscle before they start shooting. The days of the muscles being all in the suit are long gone.

[WeaponXProject]

Don't leave out Tobey; even he bulked up for his superhero role. Christopher Reeve, too, for that matter.
Which is another thing; they can get somebody who may not necessarily be beefy enough for the role, & he can put on the muscle before they start shooting. The days of the muscles being all in the suit are long gone.

Yeah, I agree with you. Tobey is a great example of a tiny guy who became a beast. I with you.

[Rage]

Don't leave out Tobey; even he bulked up for his superhero role. Christopher Reeve, too, for that matter.
Which is another thing; they can get somebody who may not necessarily be beefy enough for the role, & he can put on the muscle before they start shooting. The days of the muscles being all in the suit are long gone.

Long gone huh??

http://images.rottentomatoes.com/images/movie/gallery/1131153/Hellboy-photo_23_hires.jpg http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/9702/promo1juggernautsx7.jpg

I would say that muscle suits are at their peak right now ;) I know that Routh and Maguire had some padding and airbrushed suits to accentuate their forms aswell...but there is still some padding there... A long way from...
http://www.supermanhomepage.com/images/aos-1950s/phyllis-george.jpg http://popwatch.ew.com/photos/uncategorized/162410__hollywoodland_l.jpg
http://www.polarblairsden.com/superherocaptainamerica06.jpg http://www.stomptokyo.com/img-m6/captain-america-d.jpg

Rage

[cerealkiller182]

But Juggie looks awful.

[Chris Wallace]

Long gone huh??

http://images.rottentomatoes.com/images/movie/gallery/1131153/Hellboy-photo_23_hires.jpg http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/9702/promo1juggernautsx7.jpg

I would say that muscle suits are at their peak right now ;) I know that Routh and Maguire had some padding and airbrushed suits to accentuate their forms aswell...but there is still some padding there... A long way from...
http://www.supermanhomepage.com/images/aos-1950s/phyllis-george.jpg http://popwatch.ew.com/photos/uncategorized/162410__hollywoodland_l.jpg
http://www.polarblairsden.com/superherocaptainamerica06.jpg http://www.stomptokyo.com/img-m6/captain-america-d.jpg

RageI said the days of muscles being ALL in the suit are long gone.

[Chris Wallace]

As opposed to...
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k180/Parallax42/Batman.jpghttp://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a373/drummergrl1310/Hotties/Random/Keaton/_40624006_keaton_getty_203.jpg
Now if the suit has some added touches to enhance your existing musculature, in order to create a look mor ein keeping with the comic book standard, that's fine.
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f370/IAMLR0D/spawn-6.jpghttp://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc296/dorian_model/MichaelJaiWhite.jpg
http://i535.photobucket.com/albums/ee353/OhSoAddicted2U/N4.jpghttp://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q66/matt7007/Movie%20Covers/Spider-Man.jpg
In fact it's commendable. A lot of these guys' builds would just disappear under the costume otherwise. So let us see the muscles. But don't create an artificial illusion when you've got an actor who maybe just needs to hit the gym for a few weeks.

[Chris Wallace]

Now what we DON'T want is some crap like this.
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y259/cowboypartypics/2007%20Halloween/IMGP6180.jpg
Or this.
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e36/erik002/meteor_man.jpg
Seriously, though-THIS is my image of Cap.
http://i321.photobucket.com/albums/nn387/renzo716/captain_america.jpg
Not this.
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i283/ghostofjealousy/cap2-714189.jpg

[Pluto]

Why does everyone want a bodybuilder Captain America?
Well Captain America looks like a bodybuilder. LOL.
I have stayed away from these Captain America movie posts because I just think they casted this movie wrong by choosing Paul Walker. - Last I heard he was one to be the guy unfortunately.
Not only is Paul a very average looking and small built guy but he is not that great of an actor and I always thought this role needed a guy to not only look the part but a guy who can really really portray a strong American soldier. Steve Rogers was always known for his inspiration speeches about America's ideals and his pride in his country. So I guess all hope for having a great actor for this role is dashed.

[Rage]

Now what we DON'T want is some crap like this.
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y259/cowboypartypics/2007%20Halloween/IMGP6180.jpg
Or this.
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e36/erik002/meteor_man.jpg
Seriously, though-THIS is my image of Cap.
http://i321.photobucket.com/albums/nn387/renzo716/captain_america.jpg
Not this.
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i283/ghostofjealousy/cap2-714189.jpg

But Reb Brown isn't wearing a muscle suit...he's just wearing spandex...and hes a big guy. A suit that inhances the actors musculature...not creates it, is what I want.

I don't want a Vinny Jones Juggernaut, I want a Hellboy type body suit worn under clothes to create the illusion of great muscle mass (if the actor selected is not not capable of putting on enough muscle in the short time before filming)

The plus side of getting a skinnier actor (for the first movie) is the ability to be able to play "skinny" Steve Rogers believably.

Rage

[WeaponXProject]

Why does everyone want a bodybuilder Captain America?
Well Captain America looks like a bodybuilder. LOL.
I have stayed away from these Captain America movie posts because I just think they casted this movie wrong by choosing Paul Walker. - Last I heard he was one to be the guy unfortunately.
Not only is Paul a very average looking and small built guy but he is not that great of an actor and I always thought this role needed a guy to not only look the part but a guy who can really really portray a strong American soldier. Steve Rogers was always known for his inspiration speeches about America's ideals and his pride in his country. So I guess all hope for having a great actor for this role is dashed.

I don't think Marvel chose or will choose Paul Walker. People would laugh at them. DC would role over laughing so hard. I would....F****** cry!

[Evil Twin]

Why does everyone want a bodybuilder Captain America?
Well Captain America looks like a bodybuilder. LOL.

That's extremely debatable, as various pictures have been posted in the thread. When was the last time you saw a bodybuilder doing the acrobatics and fighting moves that you commonly see Captain America do in a comic book? Arguably, a bodybuilder is too musclebound for Cap.

[The Major]

I don't think Marvel chose or will choose Paul Walker. People would laugh at them. DC would role over laughing so hard. I would....F****** cry!

He might be a better Hawkeye. Walker can be a good actor. He just rarely shows it.

He'd be wrong for Cap.

[WeaponXProject]

He might be a better Hawkeye. Walker cna be a good actor. He just rarely shows it.

He'd be wrong for Cap.

Major, this is where we disagree. I think Paul Walker has never done a good job in any movie. I think his voice ruins every movie. He is always a surfer dude and has to say things like, "Yeah, bro."

I see him more as Johnny Storm or a comic book like Ice Man.

[The Major]

Major, this is where we disagree. I think Paul Walker has never done a good job in any movie. I think his voice ruins every movie. He is always a surfer dude and has to say things like, "Yeah, bro."

I thought the same thing until I watched Running Scared. He impressed the hell out of me with that movie.

I see him more as Johnny Storm or a comic book like Ice Man.

That's a great idea.

[Red Mask]

I've been reading these forums for quite some time, and what bothers me is that everyone wants to cast some body builder as Captain America. You all want the guy with the square jaw, and the tough guy look. It really isn't necessary, though. We've seen Wolverine, Batman and Superman on screen. We've seen their comic book counterparts. None of the on-screen characters are anywhere near as bulky as their comic book affiliates. Why would you want Captain America to be any different?

A good Cap would be someone who can act well, give the film a serious tone, and express weakness and strength. Every human being has a flaw, and although you may state that "Captain America has no flaws", weaknesses in a person's state of mind can add so much more depth to any character. Other than this, all the actor needs is to be able to put on some muscle. We don't need Cap having an Arnold-type body.



Arnold was a heavy weight. Captain Britain is a heavyweight because he's bigger than Captain America. I think Cap's build should only go as far as middle-weight.

It takes time to build a lot of muscle. Hugh Jackman is more buff after spending more time in the gym.

[Pluto]

That's extremely debatable, as various pictures have been posted in the thread. When was the last time you saw a bodybuilder doing the acrobatics and fighting moves that you commonly see Captain America do in a comic book? Arguably, a bodybuilder is too musclebound for Cap.

LOL. Jean Claude Van Damme comes to mind. Stallone is very flexable too. My cousin is a bodybuilder and he is really big but he can do the splits and is extremely flexable. I used to do gymnastics too and even though I have shapely muscular legs I am extremely flexable. Captain Brit was like a big powerlifter beefy muscleman. Captain America has almost the same muscle except his waist is smaller and overall he is built better.

But hey I didn't know this role was still up in the air!!! I can still have hope that we can get a great actor in this role! As much as I believe it's important to look the part I think that acting the part and being able to have the strong speech making ability is by far number one over having the uber muscle.

I will just have to start checking out the Captain America threads now! Thanks ya'll!

And Paul Walker is a decent actor. But I was hoping for a very very talented actor. Someone who will knock your socks off with his words. As much as I like Damon and his top level acting he is way too short and small and doesn't really resemble Captain America at all. I think I'm leaning toward Matthew Mc. I'll have to think about this. Aaron Eckhart would be perfect but he's too old now. Matthew is getting up there too so I dunno...

[Red Mask]

Middleweight. I tell ya, the limit should be middleweight.

[Chris Wallace]

But Reb Brown isn't wearing a muscle suit...he's just wearing spandex...and hes a big guy. A suit that inhances the actors musculature...not creates it, is what I want.

I don't want a Vinny Jones Juggernaut, I want a Hellboy type body suit worn under clothes to create the illusion of great muscle mass (if the actor selected is not not capable of putting on enough muscle in the short time before filming)

The plus side of getting a skinnier actor (for the first movie) is the ability to be able to play "skinny" Steve Rogers believably.

Rage You aren't really disagreeing with me.

[Chris Wallace]

Middleweight. I tell ya, the limit should be middleweight.

Define "middleweight".
I still think Bale's build is reasonable.
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i283/ghostofjealousy/D3373010C3AC7AB37617EAAF3BED9.jpg

[Triad]

I could get on board with someone as big as Bale was in that picture...I still say that it's too bad he didn't keep that physique for the whole movie and the sequel! If I'm not mistaken, that was from early in BB's shooting when he first built himself back up after coming off making "The Machinist". Nolan then supposedly asked him to tone it down for the rest of filming. No one can deny that he's in great shape no matter what build he had at any given reference point, though.
We definitely need someone for Cap that is a bit on the extra buffed-side, but not necessarily too big as some suggest.

[COAL TIGER]

Paul Walker would be a good choice. Marvel should get him. He's tall and he looks like a male model. I don't know how big he can get because he seems to be very slim when he doesn't pack on muscle. But he can just pack on as much mucsle as he can and they can add some patings to the costume.

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t84/tinkerbell_m313/paul_walker1.jpg

[Spider-Fan]

Walker is not a great actor. He is decent at times, but doesn't have the presence for Cap, imo. Cap needs presence (I'm not talking physically, I am talking you can't look away from him).

[The Major]

Arc:

Walker can get the look but he has serious negatives to deal with.

I've only seen one good performance from him. Does he always have that ability? Maybe, but maybe not. For Cap they need someone more reliable in the acting department.

Credibility. The public sees him as the male version of Jessica Alba. They have to respect him or they aren't going to respect Cap.

He chooses bad movies most of the time which are lowest common denominator stuff. If the script is really good he might not be interested. In that case he's replaceable.

He doesn't have the charisma his rivals do. Matt Damon could steal scene effortlessly in this role, Walker would find it tougher to get the audiences attention since he's only a mediocre to good actor, not a great one.

[Red Mask]

Define "middleweight".
I still think Bale's build is reasonable.
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i283/ghostofjealousy/D3373010C3AC7AB37617EAAF3BED9.jpg

Okay. Captain America is six feet tall. So middleweight for him would be - what? 165-174lbs? He's got to be more cut than Bale. That picture doesn't do any bodybuilders justice. I agree that his waist line should be slimmer, with six pack abs. But the costume with belt with cover that anyway. Captain Britain is just a taller version of guys like Dorian Yates. But he's definitely heavyweight.

[cerealkiller182]

I dont think he has to be more cut than Bale mostly because I dont anticipate many shirtless scenes. For the moment, I think size is the biggest concern. The future may hold topless Cap scenes but a WWII movie on the battlefield I dont think he take off his symbolism very much. That way the actor can work on it in the same way Jackman has. Im almost certain that he got so jacked because of the Wolverine role. He was relatively slim in X1 compared to now.

[Pluto]

I dont think he has to be more cut than Bale mostly because I dont anticipate many shirtless scenes. For the moment, I think size is the biggest concern. The future may hold topless Cap scenes but a WWII movie on the battlefield I dont think he take off his symbolism very much. That way the actor can work on it in the same way Jackman has. Im almost certain that he got so jacked because of the Wolverine role. He was relatively slim in X1 compared to now.

Not being cut shows in the face too. Bale looks bloated and puffy and not too good other than his "size" in that picture which is mostly water and high carbohydrates filling him out. Captain America's face is always structured very very well. If I see a double chin I will just laugh! LOL.
Know what I mean? I thought Bale's face looked better in TDK but of course he looked really small and very weak. So really you're right it's a hard to get the right balance especially with the thin pickins in hollywood. The more I think of it I could really see Matthew Mc being Captain America. I think if he got bigger his face would still look good and he's not that bad right now muscle wise - at least compared to damon and pitt.
To top it off he's really intense in his acting and I think he could really bring a strong personality to the role.

[cerealkiller182]

Not being cut shows in the face too. Bale looks bloated and puffy and not too good other than his "size" in that picture which is mostly water and high carbohydrates filling him out. Captain America's face is always structured very very well. If I see a double chin I will just laugh! LOL.
Know what I mean? I thought Bale's face looked better in TDK but of course he looked really small and very weak. So really you're right it's a hard to get the right balance especially with the thin pickins in hollywood. The more I think of it I could really see Matthew Mc being Captain America. I think if he got bigger his face would still look good and he's not that bad right now muscle wise - at least compared to damon and pitt.
To top it off he's really intense in his acting and I think he could really bring a strong personality to the role.

Bale was beefing up after an incredible slim down for Machinist. What I mean is its more about beefing up then getting cut. Muscle weight as opposed to definition for the first one can be hidden

[Project862006]

i think cap should have hugh jackman like physique :

http://cdn.buzznet.com/media/jj1/2008/02/hugh-washboard/hugh-jackman-washboard-abs-01.jpg

[Red Mask]

i think cap should have hugh jackman like physique :

http://cdn.buzznet.com/media/jj1/2008/02/hugh-washboard/hugh-jackman-washboard-abs-01.jpg

That's good. Now the actor for Cap should go up one more level. The build has to be more cut too because the costume will cover up the definition. But a sculpted physique will still look better overall if he keeps the fat down. I'd like stronger shoulders and arms. Also, these days a clear V-taper is the best standard for strong physiques. Hopefully, the costume won't have those chips for chain-mail.

[WeaponXProject]

Paul Walker would be a good choice. Marvel should get him. He's tall and he looks like a male model. I don't know how big he can get because he seems to be very slim when he doesn't pack on muscle. But he can just pack on as much mucsle as he can and they can add some patings to the costume.

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t84/tinkerbell_m313/paul_walker1.jpg
Come on guys, one movie makes him respectable? Most critics laugh when a movie has him in it. If he was Cap, I would laugh. That picture and background should remind you that this is who he is and should only be in teenager movies where he's a surfer douche.

Resume:
1. Fast and Furious - His most popular but not a good movie.
2. She's All That- The name tells you the movie will suck.
3. 2 Fast 2 Furious - Well...garbage.
4. Running Scared - His best but still not something I would ever buy on DVD.
5. That mushing movie with snow dogs? ?????? Wow!
6. The boating movie with Jessica Alba...is bad.

What makes him capable of leading a franchise with an already big fan base?

[TheVileOne]

Just FYI,

Middleweight = 171-185 pounds.

Listen guys. He's not going to look like Brock freaking Lesnar in the movie. It won't be a bodybuilder. It will hopefully be a good actor that will be in great shape and get big like just almost all the other performers in these movies.

[chiefchirpa]

If we're comparing to Christian Bale, then Matthew McConaughey physically more imposing than "Batman" in Reign of Fire. Physically, a toned McConaughey is perfect for Captain America, also being Irish and all that.

Here's him posing with "Tony Stark":
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2632160256/nm0000190
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2665714688/nm0000190

But alas, even if he has some acting talent he squanders all on his poor acting choice or hippie way of life.

[Project862006]

i totally agree i think Matthew has acting talent but he has the worst choice in movie roles he was good in reign of fire/we are marshall/two for the money/ but is more rememebered for his dumb chick flick roles so its hard for people to take him serious especially with his horrible new movie surfer dude LOLOL

[captaintass]

i totally agree i think Matthew has acting talent but he has the worst choice in movie roles he was good in reign of fire/we are marshall/two for the money/ but is more rememebered for his dumb chick flick roles so its hard for people to take him serious especially with his horrible new movie surfer dude LOLOL

Also, I don't know if it is possible for Matt to lose his Texas twang. Cap should not have any kind of southern accent.

[The Squirrel]

Cause people are looking at Cap's physique as his most prominent feature, and thus look long and hard to get it right, while ignoring the feature that you need most in making a character believable in a movie: acting.

Like I have always said, you can make someone look bigger than they are, but if they have no talent, they won't suddenly have it playing Cap. Acting to me is way more important, and I falt out don't care if someone like DiCaprio is cast as Cap (I in fact support him or Damon for the role...though neither will probably do it). They can act and realize the character on screen better than some lame muscle -bound, no talent, dufus.

If they really have to go with someone famous, Damon would be my pick for sure.


But I agree that acting is most important. Cast the guy and then send him to a gym.

[The Major]

Also, I don't know if it is possible for Matt to lose his Texas twang. Cap should not have any kind of southern accent.

It wouldn't be to bad if Cap had some sort of Texas twang. It makes him more American.

The Southern audiences would love it, too.

[captaintass]

It wouldn't be to bad if Cap had some sort of Texas twang. It makes him more American.

The Southern audiences would love it, too.

Ummmm...yeah. A guy from Brooklyn with a southern twang.

[COAL TIGER]

Arc:

Walker can get the look but he has serious negatives to deal with.

I've only seen one good performance from him. Does he always have that ability? Maybe, but maybe not. For Cap they need someone more reliable in the acting department.

Credibility. The public sees him as the male version of Jessica Alba. They have to respect him or they aren't going to respect Cap.

He chooses bad movies most of the time which are lowest common denominator stuff. If the script is really good he might not be interested. In that case he's replaceable.

He doesn't have the charisma his rivals do. Matt Damon could steal scene effortlessly in this role, Walker would find it tougher to get the audiences attention since he's only a mediocre to good actor, not a great one.

But you said you saw him give one good performance. If he did it once, then likely he can do it again.

[The Major]

But you said you saw him give one good performance. If he did it once, then likely he can do it again.

I disagree. Being a one off performance means the chances are higher he won't.

That's to risky for Cap.

Walker's definitely replaceable. Plenty of more dependable, higher skilled actors in Hollywood who could do a better job in the role.

[COAL TIGER]

Funny how some of you are trying to speak for everybody else by saying people wont take Paul or Matthew seriously and they'll just laugh at them.

[The Major]

Funny how some of you are trying to speak for everybody else by saying people wont take Paul or Matthew seriously and they'll just laugh at them.

They wouldn't take Walker seriously. He would have to seriously prove himself for it to work. He can do that in his own ****ty films without Cap getting damaged if he fails.

Matthew would be fine.

[Peyton Westlake]

I disagree. Being a one off performance means the chances are higher he won't.

That's to risky for Cap.

Walker's definitely replaceable. Plenty of more dependable, higher skilled actors in Hollywood who could do a better job in the role.


I kind of agree. I really dont know how good of an actor Walker is because his roles are never too demanding. I just don't like him personally, so he wouldn't be my choice.

[Hiruu]

If we're comparing to Christian Bale, then Matthew McConaughey physically more imposing than "Batman" in Reign of Fire. Physically, a toned McConaughey is perfect for Captain America, also being Irish and all that.

Here's him posing with "Tony Stark":
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2632160256/nm0000190
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2665714688/nm0000190

But alas, even if he has some acting talent he squanders all on his poor acting choice or hippie way of life.

He's a physical actor, but I just don't care much for him...but he'd do the job.

[Chris Wallace]

I'm not feelin' Walker or McConaughey.

[TheVileOne]

The only reason Walker is being suggested at all is because he has fair colored hair.

[Red Mask]

Physically, a toned McConaughey is perfect for Captain America, also being Irish and all that.


Say what? Steve Rogers' last name comes from the Normans "Rogier". That's French in my book.

[Red Mask]

Just FYI,
Middleweight = 171-185 pounds.


Ah. Thanks for the correction. I still think middleweight should be the optimum standard.

[chiefchirpa]

Say what? Steve Rogers' last name comes from the Normans "Rogier". That's French in my book.

It should be public knowledge by now that Steve Rogers is Irish.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_America
http://en.marveldatabase.com/Captain_America_(Steve_Rogers)

Another trivia: Tony Stark is Anglo-Italian, though less obvious than Irish Steve Rogers.

[Red Mask]

Irish parents with an Anglo-French name. Now that's ethnic pluralism.

[chiefchirpa]

French is just the name's origin. It really has no meaningful reason.

Besides who says that wonderful quote "A doesn't stand for France" (although that's the Ultimate one)?

[Iron_Stark]

It should be public knowledge by now that Steve Rogers is Irish.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_America
http://en.marveldatabase.com/Captain_America_(Steve_Rogers)

Another trivia: Tony Stark is Anglo-Italian, though less obvious than Irish Steve Rogers.

Stark's mom's name is Maria Carbonell, that's Spanish.

[chiefchirpa]

616 Stark is thought to be Italian by Kurt Busiek and John Romita JR. Antonio Stark of Ultimate is undeniably Spanish.

Carbonell is also a Sicilian name.

[captaintass]

Ah. Thanks for the correction. I still think middleweight should be the optimum standard.

Well, in boxing a middleweight is 160 pounds. That's a little light in the ass for Cap. 6'3" and 230 lbs. sounds about right.

[Red Mask]

French is just the name's origin. It really has no meaningful reason.

Besides who says that wonderful quote "A doesn't stand for France" (although that's the Ultimate one)?

It also means that Norman blood had spread into the Anglo-Saxon gene pool of those isles. To say that Steve Rogers is Irish doesn't mean much in modern view. It's like pointing out that Batman is Scottish and Joker is Irish. (Glasgow Grin)

[Rage]

Irish?? I thought he was American? :D And being American is the important part...not where his ancestors came from. Honestly, it wouldn't bother me for them to have Cap not be of Irish decent...hell, he could be of Norwegian decent for all I care. I don't even really care that he's from New York. So long as his character is done right... the little details don't bother me like the city or the state or his ancestory :D

That being said, I still want to see him represented like he is in the comics. White male, tall, broad, fit, blue eyes and blond hair. The costume can change (because I don't think that it is believable in reality.) And I don't see him as a minority, because at that time America was not as tolerant as it is today and their idea of the ideal american is all those things listed above.

Rage

Rage

[Hmarrs]

Repeat post.

[Hmarrs]

Long gone huh??

http://images.rottentomatoes.com/images/movie/gallery/1131153/Hellboy-photo_23_hires.jpg http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/9702/promo1juggernautsx7.jpg

I would say that muscle suits are at their peak right now ;) I know that Routh and Maguire had some padding and airbrushed suits to accentuate their forms aswell...but there is still some padding there... A long way from...
http://www.supermanhomepage.com/images/aos-1950s/phyllis-george.jpg http://popwatch.ew.com/photos/uncategorized/162410__hollywoodland_l.jpg
http://www.polarblairsden.com/superherocaptainamerica06.jpg http://www.stomptokyo.com/img-m6/captain-america-d.jpg

Rage
Man Hellboy looks cool why couldn't they have done that with the Hulk.
Get a huge bodybuilder and add on with a suit and then alter his height via graphics like in Lord of the rings.

[Chris Wallace]

Ugh. ENough Hulk-bashing. THe Hulk doesn't have human proportions.

[The Shredder]

I'm not feelin' Walker or McConaughey.
I would certainly be a bit more open to McConaughey, than Walker.

The latter suggestion is one I find, quite honestly, simply horrid.

[not_a_victim]

I don't think anyone here is advocating HUGE muscles. But Cap has to have a strong, athletic look to him. I don't want somebody built like Randy Savage or Lou Ferrigno in the role, but I don't want someone in Michael Keaton's range, either.
I think, realistically, somone around Christian Bale's Batman physique, give or take 20-30 pounds, would be perfect.

If you added even 20 pounds of muscle to someone like Bale, you would have a totally different body...Do you have any idea what 20 extra pounds of muscle looks like?
Cap is supposed to be the epitome of human physical conditioning, on all levels. Unless I am mistaken, he supposed to be the stronges "normal" human in the Marvel universe, and the whole "super soldier serum" thing just has "steroids" written all over it, so either they get a guy who is a fairly big, muscular guy, or they pad the heck out of the suit...Of course, this would basically mean nothing to those who are not just casual comic book fans.
However...Marvel has already set us up for having a person take the serum and gain incredible abilities, without gaining any mass, such as when Blonsky took his first dose of the serum in TIH.
And to anyone who thinks that bodybuilding makes you slow and inflexible, you need to leave the 1950's behind, and get with us in the 21st century.
Pro wrestlers, footballers, hockey players, baseball players, MMA fighters, and even pro bodybuildiers are mostly large, muscular guys, and maintain better than average, and sometimes extrordinary flexibility. The whole, "I would bulk up, but I want to stay flexible" argument is touted by guys who simply are not atheletes.
Me, I would want someone who was built like Dwayne Johnson when he did "Walking Tall". Don't look at him now though, as he has intentionally lost quite a bit of mass.

[Rich Santoro]

Marvel has already set us up for having a person take the serum and gain incredible abilities, without gaining any mass, such as when Blonsky took his first dose of the serum in TIH.

I am not convinced about this... I did not interpret the plot to suggest that the serum given to Blonsky was the precise product given to Rogers in the early Bioforce Enhancement project. The version given to Blonsky seemed to be an altered (revamped) product created after WWII (since the original formula was lost). It may even have been something drastically different, via the experiments that Banner was working on (resulting in his transformation into the Hulk). Blonsky looked like the formula he took, made him super-human, as opposed to peak human... and it was somewhat unstable, causing mutagenesis (as seen in the enlargement of his spine in the bathroom scene).

I could be off here... but I hope that they clarify these details in the coming films.

Nonetheless, I feel that Frank Shamrock is the ideal body-type for Cap:

http://punch.freedomblogging.com/files/2008/03/frank_shamrock_mug0318.jpg

[Chris Wallace]

If you added even 20 pounds of muscle to someone like Bale, you would have a totally different body...Do you have any idea what 20 extra pounds of muscle looks like?
Cap is supposed to be the epitome of human physical conditioning, on all levels. Unless I am mistaken, he supposed to be the stronges "normal" human in the Marvel universe, and the whole "super soldier serum" thing just has "steroids" written all over it, so either they get a guy who is a fairly big, muscular guy, or they pad the heck out of the suit...Of course, this would basically mean nothing to those who are not just casual comic book fans.
However...Marvel has already set us up for having a person take the serum and gain incredible abilities, without gaining any mass, such as when Blonsky took his first dose of the serum in TIH.
And to anyone who thinks that bodybuilding makes you slow and inflexible, you need to leave the 1950's behind, and get with us in the 21st century.
Pro wrestlers, footballers, hockey players, baseball players, MMA fighters, and even pro bodybuildiers are mostly large, muscular guys, and maintain better than average, and sometimes extrordinary flexibility. The whole, "I would bulk up, but I want to stay flexible" argument is touted by guys who simply are not atheletes.
Me, I would want someone who was built like Dwayne Johnson when he did "Walking Tall". Don't look at him now though, as he has intentionally lost quite a bit of mass.
I doubt they'd go the "no mass gained" route, as Blonsky didn't have to run around in a costume.

[Rage]

...and it was not the same formula. Cap will have to gain mass...otherwise some skinny 4F D.J. Qualls look-a-like jumping around kickin' Nazi Anoos!! I don't see that happening. :D

Rage

[Chris Wallace]

Ugh. There's an image I can do without. Like those clowns who go to the Con every year weighing a buck o'five & dressed as Cap, Thor, what have you. Or the guys who look like Jay Leggett & come as Batman or Superman.

[The Shredder]

I am not convinced about this... I did not interpret the plot to suggest that the serum given to Blonsky was the precise product given to Rogers in the early Bioforce Enhancement project. The version given to Blonsky seemed to be an altered (revamped) product created after WWII (since the original formula was lost). It may even have been something drastically different, via the experiments that Banner was working on (resulting in his transformation into the Hulk). Blonsky looked like the formula he took, made him super-human, as opposed to peak human... and it was somewhat unstable, causing mutagenesis (as seen in the enlargement of his spine in the bathroom scene).

I could be off here...

No. Actually, I think you hit the nail right on the head with this analysis.

I also agree that it's evident that whatever version of the "Super Soldier Serum" used on Blonsky in TIH, was most certainly not the exact serum used with Steve back in WW2. As there are scenes that not-too-subtly allude to this fact. The shot of Blonsky from behind as his spine becomes enlarged while he looks into the mirror, the scene where he says, "Like a monster" when asked how he felt. Clearly the the serum given to him was unstable, thus causing him to mutate to some degree. Which needless to say, came to a head when Blonsky persuades Dr. Sterns with Banner's mutation.

[DarkSuperman]

Personally I think this is very Captain America-ish

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b79/squarehippies/brad_pitt/brad_pitt1.jpg

[TheVileOne]

The point about the serum in Hulk was that they only used the serum and didn't bombard him with the radiation that was part of the super soldier experiment.

[Rich Santoro]

Captain America
No. Actually, I think you hit the nail right on the head with this analysis.


Cool... I wasn't sure if that was supposed to be what was happenning in the movie... or if it was my own imaginings.

As I said... I hope that they make it more clear in the Cap movie, or TIH sequel (should there be one) or in the Avengers.

[Rich Santoro]

The point about the serum in Hulk was that they only used the serum and didn't bombard him with the radiation that was part of the super soldier experiment.


Ah... they did only do the injections. Then, on the flip side of that coin... it appears that Banner was over exposed to the Gamma radiation in the openning montage.

Well, it certainly leaves the SSS as a wide open medium for the creation of more heros and villians. I think that they missed a great opportunity to have Luke Cage be the guy that drank the contaminated soda, rather than Stan Lee. It could have been left as a passing scene in TIH... but a Cage movie could have goneback to that scene and expanded.

[The Shredder]

The point about the serum in Hulk was that they only used the serum and didn't bombard him with the radiation that was part of the super soldier experiment.

That's essentially what was the case with the Grand Director (1950's Captain America for those who might not know). As the serum used by GD actually did achieve it's effects without the vita-ray radiation Rogers recieved. However, rather than a gradual mutation which apparently was the case with Blonsky in TIH, the Grand Director and his Bucky eventually displayed psychotic symptoms instead.

[not_a_victim]

I am not convinced about this... I did not interpret the plot to suggest that the serum given to Blonsky was the precise product given to Rogers in the early Bioforce Enhancement project. The version given to Blonsky seemed to be an altered (revamped) product created after WWII (since the original formula was lost). It may even have been something drastically different, via the experiments that Banner was working on (resulting in his transformation into the Hulk). Blonsky looked like the formula he took, made him super-human, as opposed to peak human... and it was somewhat unstable, causing mutagenesis (as seen in the enlargement of his spine in the bathroom scene).

I could be off here... but I hope that they clarify these details in the coming films.

Nonetheless, I feel that Frank Shamrock is the ideal body-type for Cap:

http://punch.freedomblogging.com/files/2008/03/frank_shamrock_mug0318.jpg


You're perfectly correct with the bolded point. All I am saying is it prepped us for having a guy with enhanced physical powers who didn't look any different than he did before he got the partial treatment. While they may be looking for a guy who is fairly bulked up to play Cap, they have set the precident that it could happen that way.

[not_a_victim]

I am not convinced about this... I did not interpret the plot to suggest that the serum given to Blonsky was the precise product given to Rogers in the early Bioforce Enhancement project. The version given to Blonsky seemed to be an altered (revamped) product created after WWII (since the original formula was lost). It may even have been something drastically different, via the experiments that Banner was working on (resulting in his transformation into the Hulk). Blonsky looked like the formula he took, made him super-human, as opposed to peak human... and it was somewhat unstable, causing mutagenesis (as seen in the enlargement of his spine in the bathroom scene).

I could be off here... but I hope that they clarify these details in the coming films.

Nonetheless, I feel that Frank Shamrock is the ideal body-type for Cap:

http://punch.freedomblogging.com/files/2008/03/frank_shamrock_mug0318.jpg


You're perfectly correct with the bolded point. All I am saying is it prepped us for having a guy with enhanced physical powers who didn't look any different than he did before he got the partial treatment. While they may be looking for a guy who is fairly bulked up to play Cap, they have set the precident that it could happen that way.

[COAL TIGER]

Ah... they did only do the injections. Then, on the flip side of that coin... it appears that Banner was over exposed to the Gamma radiation in the openning montage.

Well, it certainly leaves the SSS as a wide open medium for the creation of more heros and villians. I think that they missed a great opportunity to have Luke Cage be the guy that drank the contaminated soda, rather than Stan Lee. It could have been left as a passing scene in TIH... but a Cage movie could have goneback to that scene and expanded.

I was thinking something like that one time. In a Luke Cage movie when he's being experimented on they could have the super soldier serum be part of what gave him his powers. And the experiment could be part of the Weapon X program being disguise as a medical processure.

[Rich Santoro]

And the experiment could be part of the Weapon X program being disguise as a medical processure.


Yeah... I imagine that the backstory to these films is that some SS experiments have gone on over the decades, and guys like Cage could be failed test cases (some of which died, went mad, or were dumped in an alley with many negative effects). But Cage recovers, and is ready for action... He was wanted for escaping prison in the books... but they can replace that with the angle that the military becomes aware that he is playing at being a hero, and starts chasing him to bring him back in for testing and, more importantly, to tie-up loose ends... I wouldn't want to overplay that, since it is the very premise in TIH... but there are some good areas to explore and work out a great story for Cage.

[Marz69]

I really don't want a bodybuilder. I have no #1 choice for Cap. However, I read suggestions from Braxcave & the actor looked the part.

So I'm throwing this out there.

http://i34.tinypic.com/28jl2lt.jpg
Mark Valley

[Colossal Spoons]

Cap doesn't have to be a bodybuilder. Much more muscular comic characters were played by guys who looked too small in the movies: Colossus, Sabretooth, etc.

Just make Cap tough and athletic, but Thor better be bigger than him.

[Marz69]

Just make Cap tough and athletic, but Thor better be bigger than him.
Absolutely. If they get a bodybuilder for Cap then they are putting themselves in trouble when casting Thor. And I don't think we should have a body builder for either. The actor for Thor needs to be put on the 300 diet X 2 :funny:. The actor for Cap just needs to get muscular & have a good frame/built.

The good thing is that neither Norton nor RDJ are muscular so Cap and Thor can top them in build & look bigger by comparison.

Now I'm starting to think that Pitt for Cap is not such a bad idea. No matter how much he works out he will always have a moderate frame. So an actor like Butler, Skargard or Purcell (or other choices) can always get bigger than him. But Mark Valley has the Cap look more than Pitt. Just don't put Mark on the 300 diet, cuz he looks like he could get really big.

[Chris Wallace]

Cap doesn't have to be a bodybuilder. Much more muscular comic characters were played by guys who looked too small in the movies: Colossus, Sabretooth, etc.

Just make Cap tough and athletic, but Thor better be bigger than him.

I wouldn't go so far as to say that they necessarily looked too small. The musculature is often exaggerated in comics, to unrealistic, often almost impossible proportions.
http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Randyy_2008/MarVeL%20%20Comics/SabretoothLeveL17.jpg

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff252/eriage/Colossus.gif

[Red Mask]

Thor is still taller than Cap. That's enough to make him stand out from him.

[Triad]

Personally I think this is very Captain America-ish

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b79/squarehippies/brad_pitt/brad_pitt1.jpg
I have to admit that Pitt certainly bulked-up enough here to convincingly be cast as Cap. Personally though, I still can't see him in the part. Don't get me wrong, he is in my top five of all-time favorite actors (largely in part because of his choice of roles) and you cannot deny his box office draw, but his personality doesn't lend to the character. I really don't see it being believable enough if he was to try and emulate it. You really have to admit that he tends to gravitate around the same style and enunciation in each of his past roles...and they don't speak of Captain America in my opinion.

[WeaponXProject]

Cap doesn't have to be a bodybuilder. Much more muscular comic characters were played by guys who looked too small in the movies: Colossus, Sabretooth, etc.

Just make Cap tough and athletic, but Thor better be bigger than him.

That's how I see it. I guarantee if you look at some of the guys who have played superheroes they are no where near their comic book size. Hugh has come close, Bale has come close and Tobey in Spidey 1.

As long as you are bigger than normal or in great shape then it can pass.

[Colossal Spoons]

Absolutely. If they get a bodybuilder for Cap then they are putting themselves in trouble when casting Thor. And I don't think we should have a body builder for either. The actor for Thor needs to be put on the 300 diet X 2 :funny:. The actor for Cap just needs to get muscular & have a good frame/built.

The good thing is that neither Norton nor RDJ are muscular so Cap and Thor can top them in build & look bigger by comparison.

Now I'm starting to think that Pitt for Cap is not such a bad idea. No matter how much he works out he will always have a moderate frame. So an actor like Butler, Skargard or Purcell (or other choices) can always get bigger than him. But Mark Valley has the Cap look more than Pitt. Just don't put Mark on the 300 diet, cuz he looks like he could get really big.

That 300 "program" helps get people sculpted. Won't put much size on a man :up:

I wouldn't go so far as to say that they necessarily looked too small. The musculature is often exaggerated in comics, to unrealistic, often almost impossible proportions.

Daniel Cudmore looks like he used to work out. I could pick out a dozen guys in my gym who would be a better Colossus. Now, none of those guys can act really, but how much talking did Cudmore do in all the movies combined anyway?

[AndThePickles]

I have to admit that Pitt certainly bulked-up enough here to convincingly be cast as Cap. Personally though, I still can't see him in the part. Don't get me wrong, he is in my top five of all-time favorite actors (largely in part because of his choice of roles) and you cannot deny his box office draw, but his personality doesn't lend to the character. I really don't see it being believable enough if he was to try and emulate it. You really have to admit that he tends to gravitate around the same style and enunciation in each of his past roles...and they don't speak of Captain America in my opinion.

I agree, I think that Pitt would make an AWFUL Captain America.

[marcvader]

Cap should look like a 6'2 gymnast.

[Rich Santoro]

As long as you are bigger than normal or in great shape then it can pass.


Agreed... Spiderman is wiry in the books, but he is shredded... However, in the movie, lean and fit was more than good enough.

I certainly want to see whoever the actor is, to tone up and look like a first rate athelete, but comicbook proportions are not necessary (though I would have preferred a five and half foot Wolverine... Maybe hobbit'esque CGI could have been used???) Anyway, that ship has sailed... if Wolverine is to be taller than a now dead Cyclops, then so be it.

[Chris Wallace]

Cap should look like a 6'2 gymnast.

I wouldn't say gymnast; most of those guys are pretty thin.

[marcvader]

I don't know. Their sholders, pecs, and arms are pretty thick along with a V tapered torso that looks pretty heroic to me. Their legs may be on the thinner side as besides the tumbling most of their strength is tested on their upper body (rings, pommel horse, high bar). Just look at one of those guys and scale him up to a six foot plus and you got Cap.

[Marz69]

I have to admit that Pitt certainly bulked-up enough here to convincingly be cast as Cap. Personally though, I still can't see him in the part. Don't get me wrong, he is in my top five of all-time favorite actors (largely in part because of his choice of roles) and you cannot deny his box office draw, but his personality doesn't lend to the character. I really don't see it being believable enough if he was to try and emulate it. You really have to admit that he tends to gravitate around the same style and enunciation in each of his past roles...and they don't speak of Captain America in my opinion.
Yeah, see Brad Pitt is interesting. He's in between. He can't bulk up enough to be Thor but he could act like Thor. He would look better as Cap. BUT can he have Cap's personality. I have yet to see him do anything like that (or I can't remember). Like a Kilmer. In Meet Joe Black, he was reserved but too stoic & seemed dumb-like at times. He is a good actor though.
Cap should look like a 6'2 gymnast.
Those Olympic gymnast are fit, especially the chest & shoulders. Swimmers too have broad shoulders, like Michael.

[Red Mask]

Hold on, a 6 feet 2 inch gymnast? The best gymnasts in the world are much shorter than that. At best those guys are close to bantamweights. What the effing, dogs! Aquaman should now look like Michael, but not Captain America.

[Red Mask]

Here's a new question. Should it matter if the actor stacks up for the the role? Everything in Hollywood is fake anyway.

[Chris Wallace]

Huh? I'm sure we'd all prefer natural muscles over padding.

[Red Mask]

No, I meant juicing up. Would it be so bad if the actor stacked up with WHEY or other protein enhancements.

[captaintass]

Hold on, a 6 feet 2 inch gymnast? The best gymnasts in the world are much shorter than that. At best those guys are close to bantamweights.

Yes, but they aren't Captain America, are they? That's what makes him so badass.

"Wow! He moves like an Olympic gymnast but look how BIG he is!"

Larger than life, my friend.

[marcvader]

Hold on, a 6 feet 2 inch gymnast? The best gymnasts in the world are much shorter than that. At best those guys are close to bantamweights. What the effing, dogs! Aquaman should now look like Michael, but not Captain America.
Guy, obviously ther are no gymnasts that size. I used that reference as an example for muscle tone or body shape as apposed to bodybuilders.

[Rich Santoro]

A decathalete might be a better mold... or a Strong Safety. I still say that Frank Shamrock is the body type that best fits for Cap.

[marcvader]

I'm fine with that too. I just want a very athletic look that can convey a man in peak form that can be taken seriously performing the things that Cap can.

[Rich Santoro]

^ agree... but I have to admit. I am ok with a padded suit (just ever so slightly) if they need to improve the image just a bit.

[marcvader]

As long as it's subtle I can deal with that.

[RAMORE]

I can't believe this thread is still near the top of the lists:) Aren't we all in agreement no wrestlers just really good actors who are forced into getting in the best shape of their lives?

[Rich Santoro]

It is because we can't stop talking about Cap and the vision for the film... We are all excited. :woot:

[marcvader]

Can't wait to have an actual Cap board. We've got a long wait ahead of us.

[RAMORE]

Oh ok then keep it going i'm a huge cap fan and can't wait for the film!

[Rich Santoro]

That is the one thing no one is arguing about... WE WANT THIS FILM!!!

[Chris Wallace]

I can't believe this thread is still near the top of the lists:) Aren't we all in agreement no wrestlers just really good actors who are forced into getting in the best shape of their lives?

Best, but again, not unrealistic. We can't hold out for this type of physique.
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i283/ghostofjealousy/94702465_6247ae069d.jpg

[Denny67]

I still say Colin Ferguson would make a great Cap.

http://www.unificationfrance.com/IMG/jpg/Eureka_Colin_Ferguson_2.jpg

[Colossal Spoons]

^Thought that was Mel Gibson at first haha

[Colossal Spoons]

2x post

[Chris Wallace]

I still say Colin Ferguson would make a great Cap.

http://www.unificationfrance.com/IMG/jpg/Eureka_Colin_Ferguson_2.jpg

I can't see it.

[Red Mask]

Guy, obviously ther are no gymnasts that size. I used that reference as an example for muscle tone or body shape as apposed to bodybuilders.

A professional bodybuilder has great muscle tone and body shape when they're competing. When they're off season they allow more fat to develop.

If you don't like the ones who are juicing up, then look at the natural bodybuilders. They have less mass, but they can count as bodybuilders.

[Red Mask]

Yes, but they aren't Captain America, are they? That's what makes him so badass.

"Wow! He moves like an Olympic gymnast but look how BIG he is!"

Larger than life, my friend.

That's why he can make Batman his *****. Taste the stars and stripes!

[Denny67]

It is much easier to have an actor bulk up that to find a bodybuilder who can act. Look at Tim Roth in the Incredible Hulk. Does anybody honestly believe he was that athletically gifted to pull off those fight scenes?

Get an actor who can act and make the part believable. From there get him in good enough shape to look good in the costume and stuntman/CG the fights (ala Hulk).

Let’s not forget if you get a guy who is “too big,” later when the Avengers is made you will have to look for a guy with a SUPER massive physique to play Thor that just does not exist in real life or who will be a rioded out no talent, hack.

[Denny67]

I can't see it.


Lasik is really affordable now. :woot:

[Red Mask]

Let’s not forget if you get a guy who is “too big,” later when the Avengers is made you will have to look for a guy with a SUPER massive physique to play Thor that just does not exist in real life or who will be a rioded out no talent, hack.


You might be surprised by what's already available. I watched "Big Stan" and "The Longest Yard" remake. There are many buff guys in the industry already. One of them could pass off for Thor.

[Triad]

You might be surprised by what's already available. I watched "Big Stan" and "The Longest Yard" remake. There are many buff guys in the industry already. One of them could pass off for Thor.
Not to mention all the actors in 300! I swear that almost every guy in that flick was a freakin' monster!

[Red Mask]

No, I've seen better than those guys. None of them could play the Norse god.

[FaT_tONle]

I name that caught my eye on IMBD... Patrick Wilson. I am sure he was brought up somewhere... he is playing Night Owl in Watchmen.


http://www.simonsays.com/assets/authorkey/39767165/C_39767165.jpg

Needs to pack some weight... which he already did for Watchmen... just convert that into muscle... he's also a low profiled guy but he'll be a big name by 2011. Has a movie with Sam Jackson due out later this year. He'll be somewhere on a Gerard Butler level certainly after people see Watchmen. Not the high profiled pick but perhaps a solid choice. A lot of actors out their can fit this bill though so he probably wouldn't be the best choice.

[cerealkiller182]

i can see it :up:

[FaT_tONle]

i can see it :up:

Still... its not nearly as good as Skarsgard for Thor... there has to someone else out there that can pull this off.

[cerealkiller182]

Still... its not nearly as good as Skarsgard for Thor... there has to someone else out there that can pull this off.

I dont believe that anymore. Theres no one who is an incredible athlete and a great actor.

Wilson is an actor i believe can get the job done. Great actor, good physical condition that can be improve for a movie, underwhelming celebrity that doesnt overshadow the production.

[FaT_tONle]

Yeah I hear you... but how many actors are as capable as a Patrick Wilson? His resume is growing. That's why I threw the name out there. But he isn't exactly young. He's what... mid thirties? I am not sure he is that much of an upgrade over guys like Phillip, Walker, Duhamel, etc. Again it's not the age I am concerned about. Right now he hasn't done much to separate himself. Plus one role in another comic book film will unlikely change that. I still like him over most other guys that have been mentioned thus far.

[cerealkiller182]

Yeah I hear you... but how many actors are as capable as a Patrick Wilson? His resume is growing. That's why I threw the name out there. But he isn't exactly young. He's what... mid thirties? I am not sure he is that much of an upgrade over guys like Phillip, Walker, Duhamel, etc. Again it's not the age I am concerned about. Right now he hasn't done much to separate himself. Plus one role in another comic book film will unlikely change that. I still like him over most other guys that have been mentioned thus far.

Hes much better than Phillip and Walker. Duhamels got a shot but still iffy.

Age has to stop being a priority. Obviously people want a early 20s Cap but no one can think of someone that age who can have the presence of Cap. Might as well have the fact that he looks older be a side effect of the serum.

[CommanderRiker]

The serum makes Captain America look younger. So I don't know where you are going there. This is an origin movie therefore the actor must look youthful and in his early prime.

[cerealkiller182]

The serum makes Captain America look younger. So I don't know where you are going there. This is an origin movie therefore the actor must look youthful and in his early prime.

Im trying to work around age. I thought that was clear.

[marcvader]

He's giving a solution explaining how you can use a slightly older looking actor as there are no young believable actors out there that fit the bill for an epic Cap movie.

[The Major]

http://pichostonline.com/u/080901/0ce47f9b30.jpg (http://pichostonline.com/)

Who is this? I don't know if he has a good build or not but I can't believe how remarkable he looks. (I'm shaking my head here.) That's Captain America.
I thought my Captain Picard looked like Proffessor X but this man isn't close to the character of Captain America he just is Captain America in the flesh. (I'm in disbelief here.)

Looks mean nothing if he can't back it up with acting skill.

Supposedly he isn't even real anyway.

[KangConquers]

http://pichostonline.com/u/080901/0ce47f9b30.jpg (http://pichostonline.com/)



The things I could do if I had that Jawline. :csad:

[Pluto]

http://pichostonline.com/u/080901/8338efb322.jpg (http://pichostonline.com/)

(Big Question Mark)
Worf wants to know if he has a warrior build or not?

Oh My God. I know him.

[Matt Murdock]

Shut up and can it dude. Nobody knows him because he is some crap painting and computer stuff from comic geeks who suck.If you guys want a bodybuilding Cap you need to Get John Cena! He has real muscles not painted on ones! Just check out my sig and look at the goods peps.
Wow.
You just suck on a whole variety of levels, don't you?

[marcvader]

Shut up and can it dude. Nobody knows him because he is some crap painting and computer stuff from comic geeks who suck.If you guys want a bodybuilding Cap you need to Get John Cena! He has real muscles not painted on ones! Just check out my sig and look at the goods peps.
Loser

[Rage]

The super soldier serum doesn't make Cap look younger... it combined with the sub zero temps in the north Atlantic "maintained" his current physical age. Never (in my understanding) did it "make him look youngER"

As far as Patrick Wilson... I loved him in Hard Candy. He is a good actor, but probably a bit old for the role...and I think a bit short too. But I like the suggestion.

Rage

[cerealkiller182]

The Rock playing a German white supremacist?

John Cena isnt even good enough of an actor for WWE

[The Major]

Hey come on guys? Why are you coming after me?

We've already explained why. You aren't listening.

That retarded guy said he knew who a Steve Rogers painting was. Nobody can look at that picture and tell me it's real.

The CGI actor has a better edge then Cena does in being Cap. We haven't seen any proof he can act while we definitely know Cena can't.

It looks like Eckhart's chin put on The Rock's Jaw with Arnold's face and Brad Pitt's blended together. I hate this Steve Rogers CGI crap whatever as much as you do because a. he's not real and b. he's taking the attention away from where it should be which is on big John Cena.

Nothing going to take attention from Cena being Cap with you constantly saying it every five minutes.

Have you read a comic with Cap in it before? I bet you haven't.

Now back on topic. I think the question should also be, do we want a bodybuilding Red Skull? I say yes.

The Skull should look fit but he doesn't need a body builder, he needs an actor. That role could be tougher then Cap's to execute.

Cena for Cap and to bring in the heavyweight actor for the role of Skull he can only be played by The Rock. That matchup will be so huge it will bring millions of fans to the movies!

Super-hero comics aren't wrestling. They have many things in common but most wrestlers don't have the acting skill to play those roles.

A Cap movie would be more likely to get millions with Matt Damon or Brad Pitt in the role not John Cena.

This "wrestlers only playing comic characters" gimmick you're doing is getting annoying.

[KangConquers]

Hey come on guys? Why are you coming after me? That retarded guy said he knew who a Steve Rogers painting was. Nobody can look at that picture and tell me it's real. It looks like Eckhart's chin put on The Rock's Jaw with Arnold's face and Brad Pitt's blended together. I hate this Steve Rogers CGI crap whatever as much as you do because a. he's not real and b. he's taking the attention away from where it should be which is on big John Cena.Now back on topic. I think the question should also be, do we want a bodybuilding Red Skull? I say yes. Cena for Cap and to bring in the heavyweight actor for the role of Skull he can only be played by The Rock. That matchup will be so huge it will bring millions of fans to the movies!

First off, that's not a guy. Pluto is a girl.

Second off, it's not nice to call girls idiots.

3rd, what the **** is up with you and pro-wrestlers for major dramatic roles?

[KangConquers]

No he's not. You ever watch Disney? Pluto was the dog. Male Dog. Pluto is a guy. Pluto is a guys name duh. And I'm sick and freaking tired of seeing all these stupid people oohing and ahhing over Mr. Fake Steve Rogers. If he is real he would be gay because nobody does their hair and stuff and cleans their face all the time to look like that. Anyway there is no way that dude is real. And Pluto has some major imaginary scitzo problems dreaming that that dumb painting is a real guy. No move on people.

Here's the deal. John Cena is the people's champ. I swear guys trust me just click on the link in my sig and you will be won over instantly. He looks the part more than any real man every could and he's muscleman all over. And he's a great underrated actor. Everyone thought The Rock would suck at first but now he's the best actor ever! So this role was made for Big John Cena. I'm just expressing my views. If you don't agree then you obviously just hate wrestling. Thanks. Peace out.

No...the poster, pluto, is female.

[The Major]

No he's not. You ever watch Disney? Pluto was the dog. Male Dog. Pluto is a guy. Pluto is a guys name duh.

And Pluto has some major imaginary scitzo problems dreaming that that dumb painting is a real guy. No move on people.

The poster named Pluto is a girl.

And I'm sick and freaking tired of seeing all these stupid people oohing and ahhing over Mr. Fake Steve Rogers. Anyway there is no way that dude is real.

You should be more worried about actors like Brad Pitt being Cap then an imaginary CGI guy no-one has seen act.

If he is real he would be gay because nobody does their hair and stuff and cleans their face all the time to look like that.

Except every male actor in Hollywood. :D

Here's the deal. John Cena is the people's champ. I swear guys trust me just click on the link in my sig and you will be won over instantly.

I've watched The Marine and his appearances on wrestling. I'm not impressed.

He looks the part more than any real man every could

Looks mean nothing without acting talent suitable to the role.

and he's muscleman all over.

Any actor with enough training could do the same thing.

And he's a great underrated actor.

He's not underrated, he just sucks. He should stick to wrestling.

Everyone thought The Rock would suck at first but now he's the best actor ever!

Cena isn't the Rock and he isn't the best actor ever. Johnson's the best wrestler turned actor.

So this role was made for Big John Cena.

It really isn't.

I'm just expressing my views. If you don't agree then you obviously just hate wrestling. Thanks. Peace out.

Not wanting Cena for Cap doesn't mean everyone hates wrestling.

[Matt Murdock]

"Now he's the best actor ever."

That sums up why I don't watch wrestling.

[Triad]

Now I'm reminded of why I avoided these forums for a while.
Sometimes intelligence & maturity is in short supply.

[Matt Murdock]

"after he does this Cap movie."

I lawl'd.

[Alchemyst]

Shut up and can it dude. Nobody knows him because he is some crap painting and computer stuff from comic geeks who suck.If you guys want a bodybuilding Cap you need to Get John Cena! He has real muscles not painted on ones! Just check out my sig and look at the goods peps.

OMG, John Cena as Cap, lmao, get a refund on whatever you're smoking

[KangConquers]

I'm a big pro-wrestling fan, but to anyone who says John Cena: Captain America, or Triple H: Thor...

How would you feel about Leonardo DiCaprio, WWE champion?

[The Major]

What is this a 3 on match? Bring it on! Yeaha! Doin the diamond cross!!!!! HWOWoowowoowwo

I'm going to ignore this.

1st. Pluto needs to be quiet and go away. Looks like he was smart and didn't come back.
Saying hateful stuff like this will just make your stay here that much shorter.

Be respectful to your fellow posters.

2. When you say Major that "any actor with training" could look like Cena you are crazy because it takes years of hard wrestling and working out AND you have to train HARD like Cena to get muscle.

Thomas Jane in Punisher, Christian Bale in Batman, Hilary Swank in Million Dollar Baby, Jessica Biel in Blade Trinity, Wesley Snipes in Blade, Ryan Reynolds in Blade Trinity, Brad Pitt in Fight Club, Matthew McConaughey in Reign of Fire.

Not only can these actors get into fantastic shape for their roles but they can back them with great performances. Reynolds and Biel's performances are polarizing, though. They're all better actors then Cena will ever be.


3. I give you props for giving the Rock credit. Yes he is the best wrestler actor. But I think Cena might give him a run after he does this Cap movie.

He had his chance in The Marine. He failed.