The Presidential Debates

[Schlosser85]

Is anyone else as amused by the "low, oh so urgent" voice McCain adopts when warning us about how bad Obama's policies are as I am?

[kane9321]

mccain lied

[redfirebird2008]

It's stunning the contrast isnt it? Outside of this thing, McCain is all but calling Obama a terrorist, here, he acts civil. If he had kept this tone in his campaign, focused on issues, he wouldn't be in danger of losing that he is now.

Uhhh...no. Those attacks are recent. He's been getting his ass handed to him because people don't trust trickle down economics to bail us out of our financial crisis.

[Knives]

I just got home and from what it looks like from the last few pages its been kinda boring. Anything happen yet or has it been like this all night?

Been like this all night.

[Goddessreicho]

Va-cum, Macain..."my flriends" this is like my 5th shot. Macpain is going to pay for a new liver for me whemn this is done

[Handsome Rob]

Thanks, Schlosser and Excel (and Kane). I don't have full cable. I'm watching this via the local Fox affiliate.

[Knives]

Uhhh...no. Those attacks are recent. He's been getting his ass handed to him because people don't trust trickle down economics to bail us out of our financial crisis.

Forget about those Paris Hilton ads? Calling him a terrorist is recent. But they've been using ******** ads since July.

[Comicfilmer]

I think they should toss down the mics and start a fist fight. THAT would be more worth watching.

[Venom'sDad]

I have to say this....

Obama has taken command of the format.

McCain seems to be tagging on Obama's shirttail.... and he's not very good at it.

:dry:

[kane9321]

I'm gonna beat brokaws azz in a bit

[Knives]

These rules are ****ing annoying. LET THEM SPEAK FOR CHRIST SAKE!

[redfirebird2008]

Forget about those Paris Hilton ads? Calling him a terrorist is recent. But they've been using ******** ads since July.

Oh I know. Their entire campaign has been an attack on his character. First it was that he's too much of a celebrity. Now it's that he's a terrorist. The recent stuff is dangerous, especially in a country with a history of racism and religious prejudice. Ironic too when you consider that this country was founded to get AWAY from religious persecution.

[Comicfilmer]

I love the red carpet.

[kane9321]

my friends

[redfirebird2008]

I think "that one" will be considered a gaffe. Pretty disrespectful way of referring to a fellow Senator.

[Excel]

McCain has GTO to take a few pointers from Palin on body langauge; he just called Obama "that one" to his face.

[Knives]

I have to say this....

Obama has taken command of the format.

McCain seems to be tagging on Obama's shirttail.... and he's not very good at it.

:dry:

I agree. So far he is walking away with this thing. He has far more command of the issues. McCain is doing FAR better then he did in the last debate, especially in temperment, but he does look like he is attaching himself to what Obama is saying......,my friends.

[Gotham]

I love the red carpet.

:funny:

I think it's a stalemate so far.

[kane9321]

look at those lines

[Hobgoblin]

mmm hello there ingrid jackson

Yeah, I had the same reaction. Cute girl and a good question. :heart:

McCain is right on nuclear power. Obama is wrong. The Democrats are completely wrong on it.

I gotta say, I liked Johns Answer better than Barack's. I just wanted him to explain exactly what is done with the nuclear waste. All he said is that its taken care of.

[Goddessreicho]

Was that two "my freinds" or one?

[Schlosser85]

I think they should toss down the mics and start a fist fight. THAT would be more worth watching.


McCain would have a stroke in about three seconds. Now Palin...she seems like she'd have a knife hidden in her shoe or something.

[Excel]

I think "that one" will be considered a gaffe. Pretty disrespectful way of referring to a fellow Senator.

Id agee, his lines plummetted afterwards.

[Handsome Rob]

Scary that I could probably get on my bicycle and (security and traffic notwithstanding) ride right onto that red carpet before the debate is over. I think I'm less than 10 miles away.

[Knives]

I think "that one" will be considered a gaffe. Pretty disrespectful way of referring to a fellow Senator.

I wonder if anybody will touch on that one. Pretty condescending. "THAT ONE!" Try not to act like a scolding parent John.

[kane9321]

lines go up for obama...way up

[Schlosser85]

"that one"

lol. that's gonna be this debate's equivalent of the criticisms of McCain not looking at Obama.

[redfirebird2008]

Id agee, his lines plummetted afterwards.

And I don't know about you Excel, but I sensed a bit of racial dog whistling with it too. You would know better than me since you have probably experienced this crap in your life. But just observing what I've seen during my life, that could be racial dog whistling. Code words.

[Comicfilmer]

Imagine if the camera panned past a naked guy in section C. Now THAT would make milk come out of my nose. And I haven't had any milk all day.

[Anita18]

McCain has GTO to take a few pointers from Palin on body langauge; he just called Obama "that one" to his face.
:funny:

I agree - even though Palin tried too hard to be folksy and relateable, at least she came off friendly. McCain came off as a grump in the last debate.

[kane9321]

omg...when mccain speaks the lines drop..lol

[Goddessreicho]

Oooo! So would a recent liver oopsie (because of a funny yet very difficult drinking game) be a preexisting condition?

[SuperT]

WTF McCain is such a lying prick. Obama is gonna fine you?!?

[Schlosser85]

Is it just me, or does McCain make every question all about Obama's policies to make Obama respond to him to keep Obama answering his accusations the whole time instead of sticking to the issues?

[Comicfilmer]

The lines always drop when a new person speaks. It resets.

[Knives]

And I don't know about you Excel, but I sensed a bit of racial dog whistling with it too. You would know better than me since you have probably experienced this crap in your life. But just observing what I've seen during my life, that could be racial dog whistling. Code words.

In his defense(bleh!) I doubt he meant it that way. I think he meant it as a condescending way, sort of like "See! HIM! Me is better!". If it were PALIN, then I would absolutely agree with you, but I doubt John knows any better.

[Handsome Rob]

A $5,000 credit actually would give me a lot more money--I don't even pay that much in insurance, much less get a tax reduction from having it excluded from my income tax calculations.

[Comicfilmer]

Nobody laughed at McCain's hair transplant joke. Heh...

[kane9321]

hair transplant...dude, it wasnt funny

[ShadowBoxing]

"hair implants...might need that myself heh heh"

silence.

[Excel]

It wasnt racist, but it will no doubt be subject to a lot of racial discussion, that was no doubt a gaffe.

Its a huge turnoff to anybody watching, Id imagine even his supporters know its bad.

[Honey Vibe]

Scary that I could probably get on my bicycle and (security and traffic notwithstanding) ride right onto that red carpet before the debate is over. I think I'm less than 10 miles away.
Go! Go naked!

[Excel]

McCain is quite the comedian.

[Matt]

So how long do you think McCain's been waiting to bust out the hairplug zinger?

[kane9321]

get him obama

[Knives]

Wow the lines are SHOOTING up for Obama now

[Schlosser85]

I'm surprised Brokaw is letting Obama respond instead of trying to cut him off again.

[Comicfilmer]

So how long do you think McCain's been waiting to bust out the hairplug zinger?

I'd say he came up with it during Palin's debate but I don't think he has that good of a memory.

[kane9321]

damn...can those lines get any higher...I'm serious

[Goddessreicho]

Did McCain just make a Cadillac joke towards the Obama (black-guy) on stage with him? Or am I way to drunk. I stink at this game, need to stop, but midori is so yummy.

[kane9321]

damn...can those lines get any higher...I'm serious

[Handsome Rob]

Go! Go naked!

OK . . . that made me actually laugh out loud. :woot:

I was thinking more along the lines of yelling "SuperHeroHype!" or something like that so you'd know it's me.

[Knives]

So how long do you think McCain's been waiting to bust out the hairplug zinger?

35 minutes

[kane9321]

lines drop ...now

[redfirebird2008]

"Did we hear the size of the fine?" Snarky laugh. Another gaffe for McCain.

[Excel]

McCain has got to stop making jokes; he is looking ****ing idiot; the dif. between him and Palin is enormous.

Obamas lines with women hit the very top.

[Schlosser85]

The "America is a force for good" speech again that Palin gave too.

[kane9321]

snaps..i was right

[Excel]

McCani just committed suicide, in this debate, anyway.

Obama was wrong on Iraq?

[Knives]

No time for on the job training...........except for my VP of course!

[kane9321]

on the job training eh

[Schlosser85]

The "we don't have time for on the job training" jab again. Then what happens when you drop dead and Palin becomes President?

[Comicfilmer]

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/6550/jellowc6.jpg

[redfirebird2008]

McCain is now reverting to not paying attention to Obama while he's speaking. Comes across like a jerk, once again. Obama has been watching intently while McCain speaks.

[kane9321]

goodnite john......stick a fork in him

[Matt]

lines drop ...now

You are aware the lines drop after each speaker, right?

[Schlosser85]

^ win

[Knives]

Obama owning this answer.

[rdh007]

You are aware the lines drop after each speaker, right?

I can't watch cnn, it's distracting.

[Excel]

McCain just made a huge mistake, why would he ever bring up Iraq, or say his judgement is better, with Obama up next? He was ASKING for beating he is getting right now.

[Schlosser85]

Yea, Obama's eloquence is kicking in with this answer.

[Honey Vibe]

It wasnt racist, but it will no doubt be subject to a lot of racial discussion, that was no doubt a gaffe.

Its a huge turnoff to anybody watching, Id imagine even his supporters know its bad.
As an African American I didn't sense racism in McCain's THAT-ONE snark. Its shamefulness can be understood thus, rather: McCain senses he is not winning this debate, not getting through to the American people, and not collecting the electoral college he needs tonight. Like an aged boxer trapped in the ring with spry young athlete, that was a moment of pure, desperate adrenaline.

[Matt]

McCani just committed suicide, in this debate, anyway.

Obama was wrong on Iraq?

He said the surge, I think.

[Team Andino]

I'm real tired of McCain calling me his friend...



Post #100

[Excel]

Another brilliant answer from Obama, seriously. "Ethnic clensing in other countries IS amatter of our national security because its our job to defend them"

Love it.

[Anita18]

Wow the lines are SHOOTING up for Obama now
Oh thank God. I was just hoping he wouldn't mess up somehow. Let McCain stumble, then Obama's just gotta keep his cool and everything will be smooth sailing.

I'm not watching but I bet there will be replays of this on the news until well into next week. :oldrazz:

[Schlosser85]

I'm tired of McCain and Barracuda in general.

[kane9321]

damn..he said my friends again

[redfirebird2008]

I'm real tired of McCain calling me his friend...

"Let me just follow up, my friends..."

And he strikes AGAIN. Stop calling me your "friend," or I'll call you an old perv...oh sheesh, "my friends" just struck again while I'm typing! :hehe:

[Excel]

He said the surge, I think.

He said both.

"He was wrong on Iraq, and the surge"

[Schlosser85]

Good God, if I took a shot every time McCain says "my friends", I'd have lost consciousness half an hour ago.

[Goddessreicho]

I think McCain hates me. Those last three killed my Midori.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !

[Excel]

"That requires a cool hand at the tellar"

John, that sure as **** isnt you.

[Knives]

****ing Reagan. Will the republicans EVER have ANY event where that name is not uttered?

[Franklin Richards]

Qwiet my sfriendd.


:doom: doom: :doom

[Honey Vibe]

OK . . . that made me actually laugh out loud. :woot:

I was thinking more along the lines of yelling "SuperHeroHype!" or something like that so you'd know it's me.
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/2447/teamamericakimju5.png
**** YEAH!!!!1

[Matt]

Another brilliant answer from Obama, seriously. "Ethnic clensing in other countries IS amatter of our national security because its our job to defend them"

Love it.

Didn't Obama oppose Iraq? Saddam gassed the Kurds, did he not? Tried to wipe Iraq of them? Stinks of hypocrisy, IMO.

[Paradoxium]

I gave up watching this, after those two talked about the economic problem, the "cause" and their "solution". I vote both failed. Without a good economy all their talk and promises is redundant.

[Team Andino]

Good God, if I took a shot every time McCain says "my friends", I'd have lost consciousness half an hour ago.
:funny:

I wish there was an official "My Friends" count meter, and if someone made a video of nothing but "My Friends" I think it would go about 9 minutes long an a few heads my explode my minute 4

[rdh007]

Brokaw :heart: McCain.

http://mediamatters.org/countyfair/200809300003
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mrs3WcNo8Ig
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAPoNfkYgxw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qzQ0usmc4M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtyTQkl0Yvc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sd7o32ToIpE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d4Ld6XVl2I

[Comicfilmer]

Didn't Obama oppose Iraq? Saddam gassed the Kurds, did he not? Tried to wipe Iraq of them? Stinks of hypocrisy, IMO.

So because Obama didn't want to go to war in 2003 for things Saddam did in the 90s makes him a hypocrite? Maybe he realized it was too late to save the people Saddam killed in 1991. :huh:

[The Geek Vault]

Obama owns

[Paradoxium]

I wonder if either of them address the fact that Pakistan is going bankrupt in a month (economic crisis), and all the radicals and Taliban exiles are salivating over this. They will have a lot of fun with them nukes.

[Goddessreicho]

Screw, my friends. I'm moving on to "fundemtal" and all of its forms. I have half a bottle of Kahlua. Lets se how this works. I'm kinda dizzy tho.

[The Geek Vault]

Obama owns in this debate

[redfirebird2008]

Didn't Obama oppose Iraq? Saddam gassed the Kurds, did he not? Tried to wipe Iraq of them? Stinks of hypocrisy, IMO.

He also followed it up by saying that the world is full of evil and we won't always be able to deal with genocide.

[Excel]

Didn't Obama oppose Iraq? Saddam gassed the Kurds, did he not? Tried to wipe Iraq of them? Stinks of hypocrisy, IMO.

It was Iraq for their interests (which is ours) or Pak/Afghanistan for our own, which are more important.

Its just a bad situation. Darfur is dif.

[Knives]

Okey dokey McCain is now just sinking. Your bimbo VP also announced she was going to attack Pakistan too, before you decided it was a GOTCHA question from a college student.

[Matt]

Okay, he literally said two minutes ago that his hero is Ronald Reagan. Now it is Teddy Roosevelt?

[Comicfilmer]

Hopefully Obama brings up "bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb Iran" after McCain's little rant there.

[rdh007]

Didn't Obama oppose Iraq? Saddam gassed the Kurds, did he not? Tried to wipe Iraq of them? Stinks of hypocrisy, IMO.
I think he probably believes that we had our chance there and Bush I was too big a wussy to carry it out. No do-overs, Junior, no do-overs.

[Gilpesh]

Yeah. I have to think Obama wins this one. It's called the Palin effect.

No one expected Obama to come into this town hall and wipe the floor with McCain, and Obama is again making this a draw... even with Brokaw trying his hardest for "his friend".


Oh snap... McCain is starting to lose it........... HIRED HELP?!?!?!

[Honey Vibe]

I gave up watching this, after those two talked about the economic problem, the "cause" and their "solution". I vote both failed. Without a good economy all their talk and promises is redundant.
Keep watching Doxie. And how yoo be, sweet tart? Feel like I haven't seen you in a long time.

[kane9321]

obama's angry at the lies

[redfirebird2008]

LOL, McCain lecturing Obama on speaking softly on foreign policy? This is the man who is actively warmongering on Iran.

[Knives]

Okay, he literally said two minutes ago that his hero is Ronald Reagan. Now it is Teddy Roosevelt?

You cant expect himt o remember what he says answer to answer!

BOM BOMB BOMB IRAN!!! HE ACTUALLY SAID IT LMAO!!

[Honey Vibe]

Hopefully Obama brings up "bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb Iran" after McCain's little rant there.
signed, sealed delivered

[Excel]

Bomb bom bomb iran

[kane9321]

bomb bomb iran... bye bye john

[redfirebird2008]

There we go, Obama just nailed McCain on the "speaking softly" issue. Warmongering old prick.

[Matt]

This debate is ridiculous. Obama is just pissing on the rules of the debate and McCain is acting like a little kid. "If he gets a response, I want one too!" "Thank you very much! hehehehe!"

[Comicfilmer]

Obama wins after that comment.

http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/5151/r107f9zm9.gif

McCain set himself up for a real licking.

[Honey Vibe]

Hopefully Obama brings up "bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb Iran" after McCain's little rant there.
signed, sealed, delivered :wow:

[Excel]

McCain keeps giving Obama such easy attacks; McCain is acting like a spoiled brat, HUGE SHOCKER

[redfirebird2008]

McCain acting responsibly throughout his military career? Does that include recklessly blowing up two planes on an aircraft carrier? LOL, what a frickin' joke.

[The Senator]

Didn't Obama oppose Iraq? Saddam gassed the Kurds, did he not? Tried to wipe Iraq of them? Stinks of hypocrisy, IMO.

President Bush did not go into Iraq to save the Iraqis from genocide. He went in to dispose of the Iraqi government, because there apparently was evidence which suggested Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. Had President Bush said that the reasons we were going to war dealt explicitly with genocide, instead of the phony-bologna weapons of mass destruction line he gave, more people probably would have been on board to invade Iraq.

Additionally, the genocide in Iraq was ten years prior to the invasion of Iraq. So invading Iraq and ridding Darfur of genocide are not mutually exclusive to one another. Therefore, I do not see the hypocrisy in his statement.

[Knives]

Wow. So McCain KNOWS how to get Bin Ladden......but he isn't telling anybody!

Way to put country first John! Thanks!

[Honey Vibe]

This debate is ridiculous. Obama is just pissing on the rules of the debate and McCain is acting like a little kid. "If he gets a response, I want one too!" "Thank you very much! hehehehe!"
Americans want to get as thorough an understanding of these two men as possible. Tom is right to yield his role as mediator at certain times.

[Hobgoblin]

This debate is ridiculous. Obama is just pissing on the rules of the debate and McCain is acting like a little kid. "If he gets a response, I want one too!" "Thank you very much! hehehehe!"

They cant even stick to their agreed conditions. :whatever:

[rdh007]

McCain just said he acted responsibly in the military and in the Senate. He said in his own book that he wasn't very responsible. Read the Rolling Stone article, John.

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee144/rdh007/Rock-Bottom.jpg

[Honey Vibe]

Obama wins after that comment.

http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/5151/r107f9zm9.gif

McCain set himself up for a real licking.
LMAO :up:

[Excel]

McCain is doing absolutley horrible, I cannot believe it, this has to be the knockout Obama hoped for, this has been so far such a one sided, clear, undeniable win...

I expected him to do a lot better but he is doing A LOT WORSE.

[kane9321]

i want some peach cobbler

[CaptainClown]

I am liking this debate. poor brokaw

[Gilpesh]

This debate is ridiculous. Obama is just pissing on the rules of the debate and McCain is acting like a little kid. "If he gets a response, I want one too!" "Thank you very much! hehehehe!"

It's not a debate anymore. McCain isn't going to talk about real issues... you know, the factual kind, to draw Obama off the issues... And plus, the rules shouldn't protect candidates lying. McCain OR Obama.

[Schlosser85]

No one pays any attention to Brokaw, do they.

[Addendum]

Didn't Obama oppose Iraq? Saddam gassed the Kurds, did he not? Tried to wipe Iraq of them? Stinks of hypocrisy, IMO.

Those weren't the reasons that the US invaded Iraq. The administration tried to make a connection between Iraq and Al-Qaeda and there was also some WMDs that they supposedly had.

Besides, Saddam gassed the Kurds in 1988, when he was a friend of the United States.

[Venom'sDad]

Jesus.... The race was over when McCain picked Palin as his running mate; But, McCain is nailing his own coffin.

Everyone may as well get use to the guy with the funny name.

President Obama

[Excel]

This debate is ridiculous. Obama is just pissing on the rules of the debate and McCain is acting like a little kid. "If he gets a response, I want one too!" "Thank you very much! hehehehe!"

Well, he is, but what do you want him to do? McCain spouting BS out of his ass.

[Gilpesh]

No one pays any attention to Brokaw, do they.

I paid attention enough to hear a joke about the "Hired help"... That's nice Brokaw.

[bunk]

This debate doesn't seem to have the fireworks most expected.

[CaptainClown]

No one pays any attention to Brokaw, do they.
If Anderson Cooper was there he would lay down the law. :brucebat:

[Venom'sDad]

Open the polls up, I'm ready to vote, because it's obvious who won this round of debates.

[Schlosser85]

I was hoping Big John was gonna blow his top.

[Matt]

Poll is open. I'm calling it a draw. Obama avoided questions and tried to stick to talking points while throwing in a few attacks albeit being very articulate about both. Plus the way he pissed all over the rules and disrespected Brokaw throughout was out of line.

McCain came off as a senile child. It seems like a contradiction but he pulled it off somehow.

So yeah, both performed like crap...so draw.

That said, McCain had to win tonight. Obama didn't. McCain has lost a lot more from this performance than Obama.

[Excel]

This debate doesn't seem to have the fireworks most expected.

McCain is firing on cylinders...at himself.

[Team Andino]

If Anderson Cooper was there he would lay down the law. :brucebat:
Id say get Christian Bale out there in the Batman suit to lay down the law, problem is half the people wouldn't understand the questions

[kane9321]

maybe....maybe.....you #$#%$$%

[Schlosser85]

Poll is open. I'm calling it a draw. Obama avoided questions and tried to stick to talking points while throwing in a few attacks albeit being very articulate about both. Plus the way he pissed all over the rules and disrespected Brokaw throughout was out of line.

McCain came off as a senile child. It seems like a contradiction but he pulled it off somehow.

So yeah, both performed like crap...so draw.

That said, McCain had to win tonight. Obama didn't. McCain has lost a lot more from this performance than Obama.


I think Obama did better, but you made a good point about McCain having more riding on it than Obama.

[Matt]

Well, he is, but what do you want him to do? McCain spouting BS out of his ass.

I expect him to play by the rules he agreed to.

[Venom'sDad]

McCain just said he acted responsibly in the military and in the Senate. He said in his own book that he wasn't very responsible. Read the Rolling Stone article, John.

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee144/rdh007/Rock-Bottom.jpg

:lmao:ROTFLMAO!!!:lmao:

[jaguarr]

Whatever it was that McCain set out to accomplish in this debate.....he hasn't done it. WTF? :huh:

jag

[redfirebird2008]

I thought the first one was a draw but I thought Obama won this one tonight. "Town halls" are supposed to be McCain's specialty and Obama did slightly better than him.

[Matt]

maybe....maybe.....you #$#%$$%

I think McCain did better on that one. Both Obama and McCain gave the same answer. McCain was more simplistic in his answer. Obama tried to dance around the question while trying to create the illusion that he was giving a concrete answer. At least McCain came out and said there wasn't a definitve answer.

[Honey Vibe]

I expect him to play by the rules he agreed to.
Oh quit being such a peenark Matt :oldrazz:

[Excel]

Poll is open. I'm calling it a draw. Obama avoided questions and tried to stick to talking points while throwing in a few attacks albeit being very articulate about both. Plus the way he pissed all over the rules and disrespected Brokaw throughout was out of line.

McCain came off as a senile child. It seems like a contradiction but he pulled it off somehow.

So yeah, both performed like crap...so draw.

That said, McCain had to win tonight. Obama didn't. McCain has lost a lot more from this performance than Obama.

Obamas actions on the rules were justified, and how can you say he ignored questions? McCain turned his back on the black woman and started an Obama attack rant, what was McCains answer on green stuff again?

If its a lesser of 2 evils or triumphs of 2 titans Obma wins. Clearly.

McCain has been a gaffe machine tonight, from that one to whining about his turn to saying 3 minutes apart that 2 different men are his hero.

This was a must win for McCain, and he turned BY FAR the worst debate performance of anybody so far.

[rdh007]

I expect him to play by the rules he agreed to.

The problem is that McCain agreed to them too, and he was going waaaaay over that one minute follow up time.

[bunk]

McCain gets so hyped up talking about Iran.

[Goddessreicho]

I withdraw my vote until i sober up.

It friggein figures I switch to Kaluha when the stopped saying fundemtal. Dangit!

[Team Andino]

I was gonna wait till the end of the debate till I voted but I heard McCain say "my friends" again so I gave up on waiting

[Venom'sDad]

Poll is open. I'm calling it a draw. Obama avoided questions and tried to stick to talking points while throwing in a few attacks albeit being very articulate about both. Plus the way he pissed all over the rules and disrespected Brokaw throughout was out of line.

McCain came off as a senile child. It seems like a contradiction but he pulled it off somehow.

So yeah, both performed like crap...so draw.

That said, McCain had to win tonight. Obama didn't. McCain has lost a lot more from this performance than Obama.

WOW... just WOW!

You are just like McCain...

Out of touch and just don't get it.

:ikyn:facepalm

[jaguarr]

Poll is open. I'm calling it a draw. Obama avoided questions and tried to stick to talking points while throwing in a few attacks albeit being very articulate about both. Plus the way he pissed all over the rules and disrespected Brokaw throughout was out of line.

McCain came off as a senile child. It seems like a contradiction but he pulled it off somehow.

So yeah, both performed like crap...so draw.

That said, McCain had to win tonight. Obama didn't. McCain has lost a lot more from this performance than Obama.

I somewhat agree with you about Obama not sticking to the rules, but McCain's done his fair share of it as well. Other than that, Obama did what he had to do tonight and that was simply maintain his air of competence and authority. McCain was the one who needed to really shine tonight and he failed horribly. Your analogy of a senile child is really spot on, strange as it is. I have to give the edge to Obama on this one. He beat McCain at his own game....the much lauded, vaunted and fabled, mystical Town Hall Meeting.

jag

[kane9321]

i want a big slice of michelle obama

[Excel]

I thought McCain was supposed to do well in town halls?

If they would all be like this, McCain should be very happy they didnt have anymore.

[redfirebird2008]

Obama won, slightly. I voted "draw" during the first debate.

[kane9321]

I want a town hall with biden and palin

[Goddessreicho]

YES! THANK YOU OBAMA!

I was gettin thristy!!!!

[CaptainClown]

I want a town hall with biden and palin
If this one was vicious, I predict a vp town hall to have chairs thrown and Palin trying to hunt Biden like a moose.

[Paradoxium]

Keep watching Doxie. And how yoo be, sweet tart? Feel like I haven't seen you in a long time.

It's only been a couple years :grin:

Sigh, the economic woes concerns me a lot, changes so much of my plans. Already has, and already hit my pocket.

[Knives]

Obama walked away with this. He gets my vote. McCain is in serious, serious trouble after tonight. Expect FAR more negatives from his campaign. They'll put Obama in a turbin by weeks end.

[bunk]

They both avoided certain questions. That's the problem with the back and forth over records and plans. They're both more than willing to morph an answer to a posed question into a response from something already said against them. I wish McCain didn't blow off the "sacrifice" question.

[Matt]

Obamas actions on the rules were justified, and how can you say he ignored questions? McCain turned his back on the black woman and started an Obama attack rant, what was McCains answer on green stuff again?[/auogd]

Yes, they both ignored questions, which is why I say they both sucked. For example, look right now, he turned a question into what he doesn't know into a story about growing up on welfare. Go figure. :huh:

And breaking the rules are not justified. Breaking time limits, interrupting Brokaw, its just disrespectful. There is a reason both campaigns hold conferences after the debate. To address McCain's lies. He did not need to spit in Brokaw's face.

[quote]
If its a lesser of 2 evils or triumphs of 2 titans Obma wins. Clearly.


Um, not really. Thats why we have a draw option.

The problem is that McCain agreed to them too, and he was going waaaaay over that one minute follow up time.

I didn't see McCain cut Brokaw off and tried to stay within the time limit. Obama basically spat on Brokaw.

[Excel]

More pow stories.

[CaptainClown]

oh Brokaw...

[MessiahDecoy123]

The ultimate drinking game was Obama saying "and", McCain saying "my friends".

[Gilpesh]

That's right McCain.... fall back on your dad and your grandfather. And McCain really does know what it is like to fall back on people and be helped by them... mostly his parents and his name to keep him out of trouble.

'Always put my country first'? What about that fire on that carrier? You know, where you ran away and let 135 other Americans die for your problem...

[rdh007]

Brokaw :heart:'s McCain.

[Goddessreicho]

Winner = Tom Brokaw
2nd Place = McCain's First Wife, McCain's Second Wife, Sarah Palin, and Kahlua

[Matt]

WOW... just WOW!

You are just like McCain...

Out of touch and just don't get it.

:ikyn:facepalm

I've warned you about taking personal shots at posters before. I don't care if it is me or someone else. Have three days off and keep in mind the only reason I'm not banning you is because its me your insulting.

[Paradoxium]

[QUOTE=Excel;15785086]Obamas actions on the rules were justified, and how can you say he ignored questions? McCain turned his back on the black woman and started an Obama attack rant, what was McCains answer on green stuff again?[/auogd]

Yes, they both ignored questions, which is why I say they both sucked. For example, look right now, he turned a question into what he doesn't know into a story about growing up on welfare. Go figure. :huh:

And breaking the rules are not justified. Breaking time limits, interrupting Brokaw, its just disrespectful. There is a reason both campaigns hold conferences after the debate. To address McCain's lies. He did not need to spit in Brokaw's face.



Um, not really. Thats why we have a draw option.



I didn't see McCain cut Brokaw off and tried to stay within the time limit. Obama basically spat on Brokaw.I want the 4th option :woot:

Both were epic failures. Come on, it's a great idea :woot:

[jaguarr]

I want a town hall with biden and palin

Palin would implode. Can you imagine someone in the audience asking "Can you tell me what you plan to do to protect people in the middle class in much the same way the government is protecting big business with this Rescue Package?" She'd respond with "Well, I don't really want to talk about that. Let's talk about energy instead! Okay, you betcha! *wink and a smile*" She'd probably get egged and tomatoed.

jag

[Excel]

McCain just denied Obamas handshake....

[rdh007]

I didn't see McCain cut Brokaw off and tried to stay within the time limit. Obama basically spat on Brokaw.

But he tried and failed. As he so often has in his life.

[BMM]

After that, I don't see the importance of McCain's insistence on townhall meetings. It did him no good.

[jaguarr]

I've warned you about taking personal shots at posters before. I don't care if it is me or someone else. Have three days off and keep in mind the only reason I'm not banning you is because its me your insulting.

I took his comments as just razzing you, duder, not insults. :huh:

jag

[Honey Vibe]

Obama won, slightly. I voted "draw" during the first debate.
Nonsense. Obtuse. It's very clear Obama won the debate, whether or not you support his platform. That goes for you too, Matt.

[redfirebird2008]

WTF was that? McCain denied shaking hands with Obama, then told him to shake hands with his wife? LOL. Weird.

[Matt]

I somewhat agree with you about Obama not sticking to the rules, but McCain's done his fair share of it as well. Other than that, Obama did what he had to do tonight and that was simply maintain his air of competence and authority. McCain was the one who needed to really shine tonight and he failed horribly. Your analogy of a senile child is really spot on, strange as it is. I have to give the edge to Obama on this one. He beat McCain at his own game....the much lauded, vaunted and fabled, mystical Town Hall Meeting.

jag

I agree, he came off as better. But just going based on the issues, I do not think either did well enough to call it a win. Both danced around questions. Both came off as childish. Obama is just more articulate about it, but both did poorly in my opinion. McCain lost more but neither won.

[rdh007]

Why didn't Obama call him on that townhall crack at the beginning? He countered with an offer of actual debates, which McCain denied.

[kane9321]

Palin would implode. Can you ask someone in the audience asking "Can you tell me what you plan to do to protect people in the middle class in much the same way the government is protecting big business with this Rescue Package?" She'd respond with "Well, I don't really want to talk about that. Let's talk about energy instead! Okay, you betcha! *wink and a smile*" She'd probably get egged and tomatoed.

jag

then she'll say ....MAVERICK

[Matt]

Nonsense. Obtuse. It's very clear Obama won the debate, whether or not you support his platform. That goes for you too, Matt.

Obama was more articulate and thus came off better. But neither won, in my opinion. Both came off as children, in my opinion. McCain lost more, but I will deem neither the winner.

[Anita18]

McCain just denied Obamas handshake....
:huh:

:o

[MessiahDecoy123]

A draw is a loss for McCain.

He needed a decisive win to stop Obama's momentum.

[ManofmyWord]

Obama is still shaking hands, we're McCain?

[Matt]

WTF was that? McCain denied shaking hands with Obama, then told him to shake hands with his wife? LOL. Weird.

It must be some kind of joke, because they both laughed.

[kane9321]

John king...just called out McCain...on "that one"

[CaptainClown]

you can never really win a debate... only not do bad. So technically the person who doesn't lose the most wins.

[Excel]

Both Fox and Cnn are trashing McCain; the "that one" has already been up,

[jaguarr]

I agree, he came off as better. But just going based on the issues, I do not think either did well enough to call it a win. Both danced around questions. Both came off as childish. Obama is just more articulate about it, but both did poorly in my opinion. McCain lost more but neither won.

Like I said, Obama didn't have to "win" per se, just come off better than McCain. He definitely did that. Big time.

jag

[Anita18]

Both Fox and Cnn are trashing McCain; the "that one" has already been up,
Can't wait to see that. :woot:

[Matt]

John King hit the nail on the head, IMO. I agree it was a must win night for McCain. He didn't win, so he will probably now lose this election. But Obama still didn't win this debate, IMO.

[jaguarr]

then she'll say ....MAVERICK

Would she be all "mavericky" while she said it? That's important.

jag

[bunk]

Soooo... you've got Palin out there saying the Ayers scandal is at the forefront of issues Americans care about, yet McCain doesn't say one word about it. You'd think if it were at all important he'd mention it.

[Matt]

Like I said, Obama didn't have to "win" per se, just come off better than McCain. He definitely did that. Big time.

jag

I agree...which is why I will not vote him for a win on the debate. He didn't win. He came off better. He did not win. Its better news for him in the long run, but he did not win this debate. neither did.

[Excel]

Lets see FOX's "undecided" votes.

[Goddessreicho]

I want to know how the MSNBC Penn focus group is doing.

[The Senator]

Obama, in my opinion, barely won this debate. Despite his constant rule breaking and failure to address the questions, McCain acted the same way. Many of McCain's answers were awkward, he seemed to push the same talking points he pushed two weeks ago, and he threw attacks out there which have been refuted time and time again [meeting with foreign dictators without preconditions, raising taxes on the middle class, etc.].

Basically, my decision came down to this: McCain was on the offense, Obama on the defense. The pointed, personal attacks were far more abundant from McCain; and the majority of the time Obama mentioned McCain, it was in response to attacks which came from McCain to begin with.

[Matt]

you can never really win a debate... only not do bad. So technically the person who doesn't lose the most wins.

Thats not true. Watch the 2004 debates.

[jaguarr]

Hey, Matt....I'm really not clear on something from your posts tonight: Do you think Obama won the debate? :oldrazz:

jag

[Honey Vibe]

Yes, they both ignored questions, which is why I say they both sucked. For example, look right now, he turned a question into what he doesn't know into a story about growing up on welfare. Go figure. :huh: I agree. It suggests he pre-planned his "Final Thought".

And breaking the rules are not justified. Breaking time limits, interrupting Brokaw, its just disrespectful. There is a reason both campaigns hold conferences after the debate. To address McCain's lies. He did not need to spit in Brokaw's face.
I didn't see McCain cut Brokaw off and tried to stay within the time limit. Obama basically spat on Brokaw.
Besides manners and courtesy, are there any other positive impressions your presidential candidate has made tonight which qualifies him for the office to which he aspires?

[Comicfilmer]

Yeah, really. Stop being so cryptic and vague, Matt...

lol

[kane9321]

Would she be all "mavericky" while she said it? That's important.

jag

you betcha..."wink"

[Excel]

Fox is saying an Obama win.

[ShadowBoxing]

Thats not true. Watch the 2004 debates.
Yeah, Kerry like...uhhh...oh god, painful memories :(. I also thought Edwards did so bad I started agreeing with Cheney :eek:

[CaptainClown]

Thats not true. Watch the 2004 debates.
meh Kerry technically won those debates but G.W. was the one favored in the end.

[millennium movies]

I agree about the commentary that McCain did indeed come out stronger and performed over Obama in the middle to the end.

[Goddessreicho]

Ok...um seriously where the **** is McCain. Barry and Michie are having fun, smiliey, touchie feelie with everyone, and picturie. People are LINING UP to be with them, those "undecicededs" they are, but Mcain is....?

[Comicfilmer]

I still love that red carpet. I'd like to touch it.

[ShadowBoxing]

I though Obama won on everything save for a few national security questions, the most glaring example being the questions on Russia, of which McCain always does well on. This was a slight win for Obama in the end.

[Matt]

I agree. It suggests he pre-planned his "Final Thought".


Besides manners and courtesy, are there any other positive impressions your presidential candidate has made tonight which qualifies him for the office to which he aspires?

Not really. Both acted like children, not leaders. The moment that sticks out in my head tonight, for Obama was when he said "I don't know how we're going to get energy independent in ten years but JFK didn't know how we would reach the moon in ten years." WTF?

As for McCain, the moment that stuck with me was his little tantrum when Obama said he wanted to give a rebuttal, "Well if he gets to so do I!" How old is he?

Both were children. The only person who has come off as presidential in any of these debates was Joe Biden.

[Hobgoblin]

A draw is a loss for McCain.

He needed a decisive win to stop Obama's momentum.

Thats the impression I get. I voted a draw, but that doesnt help McCain. Still one more debate but I dont see it making a difference.

[MessiahDecoy123]

meh Kerry technically won those debates but G.W. was the one favored in the end.
It's the "guy I want to have a beer with" syndrome. Which I think works in Obama's favor this time around.

Nobody wants to drink with a cranky geezer.

[Matt]

Hey, Matt....I'm really not clear on something from your posts tonight: Do you think Obama won the debate? :oldrazz:

jag

No, he did not. McCain did lose the ELECTION tonight, though...unless of course a picture of Obama shaking hands with Bin Laden comes out on October 30th, McCain is done.

[rdh007]

Not really. Both acted like children, not leaders. The moment that sticks out in my head tonight, for Obama was when he said "I don't know how we're going to get energy independent in ten years but JFK didn't know how we would reach the moon in ten years." WTF?

As for McCain, the moment that stuck with me was his little tantrum when Obama said he wanted to give a rebuttal, "Well if he gets to so do I!" How old is he?

Both were children. The only person who has come off as presidential in any of these debates was Joe Biden.

I :heart: Biden, like Brokaw's bromance with McCain.

[kane9321]

i still want some peach cobbler.....maverick

[Trainwreck2100]

i'm voting Draw because they debated with complete disregard for the rules

[rdh007]

No, he did not. McCain did lose the ELECTION tonight, though...unless of course a picture of Obama shaking hands with Bin Laden comes out on October 30th, McCain is done.

I believe McCain will suspend his campaign to hunt down Bin Laden himself. Only to find Biden holding Bin Laden's severed head when he finally does totter into the correct cave.
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee144/rdh007/badasbiden.jpg

[jaguarr]

No, he did not. McCain did lose the ELECTION tonight, though...unless of course a picture of Obama shaking hands with Bin Laden comes out on October 30th, McCain is done.

So, Obama won, then? :huh:

:oldrazz::grin:

jag

[Excel]

I didnt csasre for Brokaw, rules shmules, the idea of these things to have no moderating like that

[CaptainClown]

I didnt csasre for Brokaw, rules shmules, the idea of these things to have no moderating like that
I kept hoping he would put them in time out or something like give them a punishment... but it was like a parent whos child learned that they are all bark and no bite.

[Matt]

I didnt csasre for Brokaw, rules shmules, the idea of these things to have no moderating like that

...sigh...go away, Excel.

[rdh007]

I can't vote because I'm somewhere between "draw" and Obama won.

[Matt]

I kept hoping he would put them in time out or something like give them a punishment... but it was like a parent whos child learned that they are all bark and no bite.

Well, what could he really do? If they both want to spit in his face, he can't really do much.

[Paradoxium]

Each candidate's fanboys tries to rationalize who won. Meanwhile the swing vote moderates both fanboys are wondering about, are watching reruns of Murder She Wrote :woot:

[Spider-Fan]

Neither followed the rules and came of as childish, I'll agree there. However, I still feel Obama won. Despite acting like a child, he had better answers. McCain used the same zingers as debate one. Nothing was different.

[rdh007]

Each candidate's fanboys tries to rationalize who won. Meanwhile the swing vote moderates both fanboys are wondering about, are watching reruns of Murder She Wrote :woot:

Too true.

[redfirebird2008]

Like the first debate, it's going to be more about behavior than the actual substance (which is a wash of nothing but talking points). McCain's "that one" comment is already being picked up on by focus groups and consequently the media. Also, Obama just has a much calmer demeanor than McCain, which goes over far better with those coveted, undecided independent voters.

[Matt]

Each candidate's fanboys tries to rationalize who won. Meanwhile the swing vote moderates both fanboys are wondering about, are watching reruns of Murder She Wrote :woot:

Can you blame them? Angela Lansbury is hotter than Michelle Obama and Cindy McCain combined.

[Excel]

...sigh...go away, Excel.

:cwink:

[jaguarr]

I kept hoping he would put them in time out or something like give them a punishment... but it was like a parent whos child learned that they are all bark and no bite.

Maybe if Brokaw had ripped off his belt, folded it over in half and gave McCain and Obama both bare ass spankings with it on national television for not following the rules and disobeying him you'd feel differently? I bet the Nelson ratings for the Castro District in San Francisco and the East Village in NYC would have shot through the roof!

jag

[Goddessreicho]

Lol, I love Nora. She just brought home the fact that a Penn independant is a euphamisim for an Obamavoter.

Negative don't work in the Tri-State area. Newsflash McCain.

[rdh007]

On topic.

[Spider-Fan]

Maybe if Brokaw had ripped off his belt, folded it over in half and gave McCain and Obama both bare ass spankings with it on national television for not following the rules and disobeying him you'd feel differently? I bet the Nelson ratings for the Castro District in San Francisco and the East Village in NYC would have shot through the roof!

jag

Now THAT'S a debate :up:

[Matt]

Lol, I love Nora. She just brought home the fact that a Penn independant is a euphamisim for an Obamavoter.

Negative don't work in the Tri-State area. Newsflash McCain.

What? Yes they do, we love catfights :cwink:

[Honey Vibe]

Nope.

[jaguarr]

Please dont mention masterbation. Thanks.

[kane9321]

On topic.

[Goddessreicho]

What? Yes they do, we love catfights :cwink:

Catfights? Please, in souf jerz its cow and cock fighting :oldrazz:

[ShadowBoxing]

No, he did not. McCain did lose the ELECTION tonight, though...unless of course a picture of Obama shaking hands with Bin Laden comes out on October 30th, McCain is done.
I'll agree with that.

[jaguarr]

Now THAT'S a debate :up:

Brokaw screaming "My house! My rules!" while he did it would have been priceless.

jag

[Visionary]

I'm gonna say Ba Ba won this night, Jo Jo did not. :cool:

[kane9321]

Wow, you guys just keep re-posting the pic.

[CaptainClown]

Brokaw screaming "My house! My rules!" while he did it would have been priceless.

jag
he woudl be my new favorite anchor

[jaguarr]

Stop it.

[Matt]

I'll agree with that.

I honestly thought Bob Dole was going to be the standard of bad campaigns for the next 50 years...then Kerry comes and takes the throne...and then McCain comes and trumps them both. Mind boggling.

[Spider-Fan]

Brokaw screaming "My house! My rules!" while he did it would have been priceless.

jag

That would have got endless hits on youtube :woot:

[rdh007]

Are you trying to incite fapping in the Political Forum?

jag

Why should "Celebrities" get all the fun?

[Goddessreicho]

Not cool.

[ShadowBoxing]

Hot but not on topic.

[rdh007]

I honestly thought Bob Dole was going to be the standard of bad campaigns for the next 50 years...then Kerry comes and takes the throne...and then McCain comes and trumps them both. Mind boggling.

McCain increasingly reminds me of Bob Dole and Obama has a little Clinton swagger to him. But he's still no Bill Clinton.