The Presidential Debates

[lazur]

Barack was right, Macdaddy was wrong. Let me say again: Barack was right, Macdaddy was wrong. Let me say again: Barack was right, Macdaddy was wrong. Let me say again: Barack was right, Macdaddy was wrong. Let me say again: Barack was right, Macdaddy was wrong. Let me say again: Barack was right, Macdaddy was wrong. Let me say again: Barack was right, Macdaddy was wrong. Let me say again: Barack was right, Macdaddy was wrong. Let me say again: Barack was right, Macdaddy was wrong. Let me say again: Barack was right, Macdaddy was wrong.

Get it?

Barack wasn't in the Senate when the votes were taken. Had he been, he would have been wrong, too. ;)

[The Senator]

You're the only one bringing up that Frank is gay. All I said was that he had an affair with Herb Moses.

It shouldn't matter what his sexual orientation is. If 'Herb' had been 'Helen' what would you say then?

That Barney Frank couldn't have a love affair with Helen Moses, because she's a lady :huh:

[gap5ewl]

McCain isn't who made the decision to go into Iraq. It was Bush and virtually ALL of the politicians in the House and Senate, including McCain and most others. McCain's personal opinion of how it would go had NO BEARING WHATSOEVER on our going into Iraq. But I do love how you attempt to blame it ALL on one man with NONE of the blame also going to your own party's heroes.

Lazur you might want to edit the first two sentences in that statement.

[The Senator]

Are you smoking crack or something? Frank had a LOVE AFFAIR with Herb Moses for NINE YEARS. What does sexual orientation have to do with anything? They had a LOVE AFFAIR and Herb Moses was a SENIOR EXECUTIVE AT FANNIE WHILE FRANK WAS CHAIRMAN OF THE BANK COMMITTEE THAT OVERSAW FANNIE.

Start making sense, will ya?

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[jaguarr]

I don't have the time to read four links full of liberal bias, just as you would not want to read four links full of conservative bias.

You just said above that you read the links. Now you say you didn't. Which is it? :huh:


You are often citing people for not providing REAL sources of NEWS. So take your own advice and get off your high horse. It doesn't suit you.

When people post nonsense and opinion without backing it up with any verifiable and credible facts and sources, you bet they get called out for it. Maybe if you had credible facts and sources to back you up when you try to discredit information, people would take you more seriously? Wanting credible facts and sources of information is not being on a high horse, by the way. Odd that you would feel that it is, though.

jag

[The Senator]

I'm having sex with a former employee at the DCCC, I guess that means I'm involved in some sort of corruption? :huh:

[lazur]

Lazur you might want to edit the first two sentences in that statement.

Nah, my meaning is sound. All I meant was that McCain isn't the *only* one who was in favor of going into Iraq. That is a LONG list that includes MOST of the liberal politicians in the House and Senate as well.

But let me further elaborate. McCain was the first person to take issue with Bush's 'strategy' in Iraq. After McCain became critical, Democrats decided it was a good bandwagon to be on, and the rest is history. But let's not pretend Bush was actually listening to McCain, shall we? Back in 2003, McCain was calling for a surge. It only took Bush five years to actually do it. Thus, who knows, maybe if Bush had actually listened to McCain given his experience and expertise with military affairs and operations, maybe it would have been much 'easier' than it was.

[lazur]

You just said above that you read the links. Now you say you didn't. Which is it? :huh:



When people post nonsense and opinion without backing it up with any verifiable and credible facts and sources, you bet they get called out for it. Maybe if you had credible facts and sources to back you up when you try to discredit information, people would take you more seriously? Wanting credible facts and sources of information is not being on a high horse, by the way. Odd that you would feel that it is, though.

jag

Then perhaps you should tell me what it is that I've said that you take issue with, and try to avoid the generalizations...

[lazur]

I'm having sex with a former employee at the DCCC, I guess that means I'm involved in some sort of corruption? :huh:

So you're seriously defending Frank in this situation? Seriously? The man had an affair with a senior executive at Fannie Mae WHILE he was head of the banking committee that was in charge of OVERSEEING Fannie Mae, and you don't think there was a conflict of interest there? You don't think that it could help to explain why Frank back in 2007 was saying everything with Fannie and Freddie was fine even while standing on the brink of collapse?

And you call me 'partisan'? How can you defend this?

[jaguarr]

Then perhaps you should tell me what it is that I've said that you take issue with, and try to avoid the generalizations...

You dismissed Shadowboxing's links but didn't provide any specific facts or sources to support your position. Your only argument against them was "oh, those are liberal blogs and news sources so they are automatically discounted". It doesn't discredit anything he posted in the least, it just makes it look like you don't have any real supporting data to support your argument.

jag

[lazur]

You dismissed Shadowboxing's links but didn't provide any specific facts or sources to support your position. Your only argument against them was "oh, those are liberal blogs and news sources so they are automatically discounted". It doesn't discredit anything he posted in the least, it just makes it look like you don't have any real supporting data to support your argument.

jag

Um, that's not at all how it went. SB stated that McCain had 'earmarks' of his own and then provided four liberally biased links as proof. All I did was ask him to link me to something other than liberal blogs, like, you know, a reputable news source?

All things being fair (assuming you are), maybe you should hold your liberal comrades accountable when they do the same thing you're trying to say I did, but didn't do. And thanks.

[The Senator]

Um, that's not at all how it went. SB stated that McCain had 'earmarks' of his own and then provided four liberally biased links as proof. All I did was ask him to link me to something other than liberal blogs, like, you know, a reputable news source?

All things being fair (assuming you are), maybe you should hold your liberal comrades accountable when they do the same thing you're trying to say I did, but didn't do. And thanks.

HAHAHAHAHA!

Says someone who has posted opinion pieces from the Heritage Foundation, which is THE conservative think tank in Washington.

It's kind of hard for you to hold certain posters to a certain standards when you yourself cannot abide by those standards, eh?

Oh, but again, be advised-- I am only critiquing you out of love and respect, lazur. I do not want you to go down the dark paths some of our other posters have gone down. You seem like a pretty cool guy, and I don't think you can afford to lose credibility as one of the few conservative posters here. Just words of advice.

[Marx]

ONE DAY UNTIL THE FINAL PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE!





(Now...back to arguments over supposed 'centrism', 'evil liberalism', and John McCain relaunching the relaunch of the relaunch of launching his campaign! :oldrazz:)

[jaguarr]

Um, that's not at all how it went. SB stated that McCain had 'earmarks' of his own and then provided four liberally biased links as proof. All I did was ask him to link me to something other than liberal blogs, like, you know, a reputable news source?

All things being fair (assuming you are), maybe you should hold your liberal comrades accountable when they do the same thing you're trying to say I did, but didn't do. And thanks.

You still haven't provided any actual, verifiable facts or sources to debunk anything he posted. At all. What's so hard to understand about that? :huh:

jag

[Gilpesh]

I cannot consider the support of our military as 'earmark spending.'

It is still earmark spending that he lobbied for... you know... the kind he is against.

But now suddenly... "SOME EARMARKS ARE OKAY!"

Buuuuuulls**t.

[Marx]

It is still earmark spending that he lobbied for... you know... the kind he is against.

But now suddenly... "SOME EARMARKS ARE OKAY!"

Buuuuuulls**t.

I think John McCain shot himself in the foot by voting for the second version of the bailout bill. It only passed because it was loaded with pork barrel spending.

[The Guard]

I did a Google search on the McCain/Midway connection to dive down and see if something exists OTHER than some liberal blogger giving his opinion, and found nothing.

So nothing else exists at all? As in, no facts disputing this incident exist?

[Gilpesh]

So nothing else exists at all? As in, no facts disputing this incident exist?

Well... there is that John McCain: An American Odyssey By Robert Timberg...

http://books.google.com/books?id=x0RVMsTWH5oC&pg=PA137&lpg=PA137&dq=mccain+carrier+carter&source=web&ots=_hdY_bIjAW&sig=GLzGOykDiwF-HNxpdgaWmQVpJkY&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=2&ct=result

Where it says how McCain went behind the back of his boss, the Secretary of the Navy, to lobby for the carrier...

[lazur]

I think John McCain shot himself in the foot by voting for the second version of the bailout bill. It only passed because it was loaded with pork barrel spending.

As opposed to the first version which gave a 20% kickback to ACORN. But then again, the organization responsible for the largest voter fraud scandal in our country's history is an okay organization to fund ... as long as they're 'motor voting' Democrats. :rolleyes:

[The Senator]

As opposed to the first version which gave a 20% kickback to ACORN. But then again, the organization responsible for the largest voter fraud scandal in our country's history is an okay organization to fund ... as long as they're 'motor voting' Democrats. :rolleyes:

John McCain apparently agrees, considering he has been an advocate of ACORN for some time.

Fancy that.

[Marx]

As opposed to the first version which gave a 20% kickback to ACORN. But then again, the organization responsible for the largest voter fraud scandal in our country's history is an okay organization to fund ... as long as they're 'motor voting' Democrats. :rolleyes:

You mean the first version of the bailout bill that John McCain 'suspended' his campaign for to fly back to Washington and save the country? The bill that he claimed all of the success for...before IT FAILED? That bill Lazur?

[Marx]

John McCain apparently agrees, considering he has been an advocate of ACORN for some time.

Fancy that.

John McCain...and ACORN...fancy that.

[The Guard]

Well... there is that John McCain: An American Odyssey By Robert Timberg...

http://books.google.com/books?id=x0R...um=2&ct=result

Where it says how McCain went behind the back of his boss, the Secretary of the Navy, to lobby for the carrier...

Interesting. So far, it appears there is nothing really to dispute this, and a few sources that indicate it may have happened.

[lazur]

You still haven't provided any actual, verifiable facts or sources to debunk anything he posted. At all. What's so hard to understand about that? :huh:

jag

Oh, okay, so every time a liberal makes accusations using liberal bloggers, it's my job to come up with links to counter the accusations? Riiiight.

[jaguarr]

Oh, okay, so every time a liberal makes accusations using liberal bloggers, it's my job to come up with links to counter the accusations? Riiiight.

If you are going to comment on it and say that it is wrong, then yes...you should be providing evidence to support your claim. Otherwise, you're just posting a wordier version of "Nuh-uhhh!".

jag

[lazur]

John McCain apparently agrees, considering he has been an advocate of ACORN for some time.

Fancy that.

Giving one speech in 2006 to an organization no one could have fathomed would eventually become the perpetrator of the largest voter fraud scandal two years later hardly qualifies as 'an advocate for some time.'

After all, it's not like he gave them nearly a million dollars, or trained their workers, or told them they'd be invited in to help him write policy when he's President ... like Obama did ...

[The Senator]

MCCAIN'S TRANSITION TEAM HEADED BY FORMER SADDAM HUSSEIN LOBBYIST?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/14/mccain-transition-chief-a_n_134595.html





*Obviously, this is from a "liberal blog," but I'm sure this will gain attention from the media in the coming days. And, if Obama knows what's good for him, he should mention this in response to Ayers tomorrow night, considering McCain is spewing just as many false implications as Obama would be.

[The Guard]

After all, it's not like he gave them nearly a million dollars, or trained their workers, or told them they'd be invited in to help him write policy when he's President ... like Obama did ...

Proof?

[Marx]

BIDEN DISAPPOINTED THAT MCCAIN WILL RAISE AYERS IN DEBATE
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/14/biden-disappointed-mccain-will-raise-ayers-in-debate/

[The Senator]

BIDEN DISAPPOINTED THAT MCCAIN WILL RAISE AYERS IN DEBATE
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/14/biden-disappointed-mccain-will-raise-ayers-in-debate/

Yeah, I can see why Biden is upset. John McCain has been using Ayers for a week now, but the polls have only been turning in Obama's favor. Biden is probably upset that his good friend will lose by such large margins if he keeps this act up.

[rdh007]

Biden did sort of dare him to say it to his face. Then Biden turns around and is disappointed? Sounds like it's October of an election year to me.

[jaguarr]

BIDEN DISAPPOINTED THAT MCCAIN WILL RAISE AYERS IN DEBATE
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/14/biden-disappointed-mccain-will-raise-ayers-in-debate/


In addition to jman's thoughts, Biden probably also knows what sort of ammo the Obama Campaign has up their sleeve for retaliation regarding McCain's association with Keating, Charlie Black, Ralph Reed, Phil Gramm, Rick Renzi and even ACORN itself. Obama hasn't brought up all this crap because he hasn't needed to, but don't think he doesn't have all that damaging stuff locked and loaded to use if he needs it.

jag

[Excel]

Hes dissappointed in McCain as a person; his dare was because it wont be good for McCains campaign.

[Carcharodon]

Biden did sort of dare him to say it to his face. Then Biden turns around and is disappointed? Sounds like it's October of an election year to me.Here's the thing: I don't think Biden is *actually* disappointed. I think he WANTS McCain to mention it during the debate, and he's been baiting him to do so. The Obama camp probably has something up their sleeve for just such circumstances.

[jaguarr]

MCCAIN'S TRANSITION TEAM HEADED BY FORMER SADDAM HUSSEIN LOBBYIST?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/14/mccain-transition-chief-a_n_134595.html





*Obviously, this is from a "liberal blog," but I'm sure this will gain attention from the media in the coming days. And, if Obama knows what's good for him, he should mention this in response to Ayers tomorrow night, considering McCain is spewing just as many false implications as Obama would be.


Great. Yet another reason for me to question John McCain's judgment around the sort of people he likes to associate himself with. :down

jag

[Kurosawa]

MCCAIN'S TRANSITION TEAM HEADED BY FORMER SADDAM HUSSEIN LOBBYIST?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/14/mccain-transition-chief-a_n_134595.html





*Obviously, this is from a "liberal blog," but I'm sure this will gain attention from the media in the coming days. And, if Obama knows what's good for him, he should mention this in response to Ayers tomorrow night, considering McCain is spewing just as many false implications as Obama would be.

Yet Obama's very minor association with a former radical on a board headed by a Republican McCain supporter = terrorist.

Amazing.

[Marx]

MICHELLE OBAMA TO HOST HAGEL'S WIFE AT LAST DEBATE
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/14/michelle-obama-to-host-hagels-wife-at-last-debate/

[Matt]

MCCAIN'S TRANSITION TEAM HEADED BY FORMER SADDAM HUSSEIN LOBBYIST?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/14/mccain-transition-chief-a_n_134595.html





*Obviously, this is from a "liberal blog," but I'm sure this will gain attention from the media in the coming days. And, if Obama knows what's good for him, he should mention this in response to Ayers tomorrow night, considering McCain is spewing just as many false implications as Obama would be.

Why does McCain even have a transition team? It seems like a waste of money being as he is going to lose in a landslide.

[rdh007]

Here's the thing: I don't think Biden is *actually* disappointed. I think he WANTS McCain to mention it during the debate, and he's been baiting him to do so. The Obama camp probably has something up their sleeve for just such circumstances.

I agree, but it's still politics as usual and I'm not particularly fond of it. But I'd still take a bullet for Joe Biden. ;)

[rdh007]

MICHELLE OBAMA TO HOST HAGEL'S WIFE AT LAST DEBATE
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/14/michelle-obama-to-host-hagels-wife-at-last-debate/

Must...not...call...her...Mrs. SecDef...not...November 5th...

[ShadowBoxing]

Oh, okay, so every time a liberal makes accusations using liberal bloggers, it's my job to come up with links to counter the accusations? Riiiight.
Well, yes, that's kind of the point:huh:.

That would be like Obama saying "so every time McCain makes an accusation about me it's my job to counter it...I don't, I don't get it".

[Marx]

MCCAIN'S LAST STAND AT THE FINAL DEBATE?
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/14/debate.preview/index.html

[squeekness]

Why does McCain even have a transition team? It seems like a waste of money being as he is going to lose in a landslide.I think the voting will be much closer than that. As much as I'd love Obama to win by a landslide there are probably enough "bubba" voters out there that will see to it that it doesn't happen. :(

[jaguarr]

MCCAIN'S LAST STAND AT THE FINAL DEBATE?
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/14/debate.preview/index.html

McCain...Custer....whatev.

jag

[Spider-Gamer]

McCain...Custer....whatev.

jag

Didn't Custer die in his final stand?

[Gilpesh]

Didn't Custer die in his final stand?

And it also wasn't very heroic...

[kane9321]

McCuster...:)

I want McCain to mention ayers..I'm begging for it to happen, then boom Obama drops "the Keating Five"...game over..thanks for playing

[jaguarr]

Didn't Custer die in his final stand?

:)

jag

[The Guard]

Didn't Custer die in his final stand?

Yes, and so did all of his men.

[danoyse]

Just starting this thread to change the poll in the official debates thread. :woot:

[Marx]

HYPE POLL RESULTS

Who won the SECOND Presidential debate?

SENATOR JOHN MCCAIN: 7 votes (7.07 percent)
SENATOR BARACK OBAMA: 82 votes (82.83 percent)
DRAW: 10 votes (10.10 percent)

TOTAL VOTES: 99

(Make sure to come back after tonight's final debate and cast your vote for the winner!)

[souvlaki]

Giving one speech in 2006 to an organization no one could have fathomed would eventually become the perpetrator of the largest voter fraud scandal two years later hardly qualifies as 'an advocate for some time.'

Voter REGISTRATION fraud. Quit calling it something it isn't when the two are completely different things. Second, I love how you can call someone a perpetrator to something when there is absolutely no evidence he had anything to do with what happened. Hell, even the stuff you did mention is either false, or an exaggeration of the truth.

[jaguarr]

Just starting this thread to change the poll in the official debates thread. :woot:

Can I just vote now? I already know who won. :nostradomus:

jag

[bunk]

This is relevant to both candidates so I'll just post it in here.

It's Frontline's special on the two candidates that aired last night and is now online. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/choice2008/view/

I've only watched the first couple parts so far, but Frontline does a good job with these.

[Marx]

OBAMA PRE-DEBATE MEMO: WE'RE READY FOR AYERS
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/15/obama-pre-debate-memo-wer_n_134803.html

[jaguarr]

OBAMA PRE-DEBATE MEMO: WE'RE READY FOR AYERS
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/15/obama-pre-debate-memo-wer_n_134803.html

I agree with what this article says about how Obama and Biden have subtly maneuvered McCain into a position where he's damned if he brings up Ayers and he's damned if he doesn't. And, I'm sorry, but the idea that McCain can somehow pull something out of his ass at the last moment in this final debate that will suddenly swing the direction of this election is ludicrous. He's gotten monkey-stomped for the last two months (more than half the time by his own boots). One good debate isn't going to turn that around.

jag

[lazur]

HYPE POLL RESULTS

Who won the SECOND Presidential debate?

SENATOR JOHN MCCAIN: 7 votes (7.07 percent)
SENATOR BARACK OBAMA: 82 votes (82.83 percent)
DRAW: 10 votes (10.10 percent)

TOTAL VOTES: 99

(Make sure to come back after tonight's final debate and cast your vote for the winner!)

What's the point of these polls? We already know who is going to win before it even happens on this forum. Obama could be brain-dead during the debate and this forum would still call him the winner...

[danoyse]

What's the point of these polls? We already know who is going to win before it even happens on this forum. Obama could be brain-dead during the debate and this forum would still call him the winner...

Then don't participate. Simple as that.

[Gilpesh]

What's the point of these polls? We already know who is going to win before it even happens on this forum. Obama could be brain-dead during the debate and this forum would still call him the winner...

Same with Sarah Palin in the VP debate... she could be brain-dead and the GOP would call it winning...

And they did.

[ShadowBoxing]

Oh, Lazur, your centrism makes my nipples hard....arggghhhhhh!

[lazur]

Oh, Lazur, your centrism makes my nipples hard....arggghhhhhh!

You're too far left to see where the center is.

[jaguarr]

You're too far left to see where the center is.

You have a nipple in the center of your chest? :huh:

jag

[ShadowBoxing]

You're too far left to see where the center is.
Oh, really, you have any idea who I vote for:huh:. News to me.

[Schlosser85]

You're too far left to see where the center is.


And as everyone knows, you're to the right, so why not drop the centrist act?

[lazur]

Oh, really, you have any idea who I vote for:huh:. News to me.

I can only assume it's Obama since the 'gang tactics' of this forum against conservatives is not lost on you. I mean, I post once and I get five disagreeable responses...

[danoyse]

Settle down, everyone.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Because a brain-dead Obama can still beat a functioning McCain.

Any day of the week.

And a Brain-dead Obama, Biden or McCain can still own Palin at her smarter-est-er-betcha-ehh....Regan.

[ShadowBoxing]

I can only assume it's Obama since the 'gang tactics' of this forum against conservatives is not lost on you.
Assume makes an ass of you and me. You have no idea whom I've voted for over the years, where I live or what I look for in a politician. Every last issue to you is some partisan tactic. It's ridiculous, Lazur.
I mean, I post once and I get five disagreeable responses...
Boo-who. You don't have to post here, no one is making you. People disagree with you here, why is that a problem? Seriously, you have a problem with people not placating your opinions. Wow.

[Gilpesh]

I can only assume it's Obama since the 'gang tactics' of this forum against conservatives is not lost on you. I mean, I post once and I get five disagreeable responses...

You can't complain about gang tactics... when well... I'll just describe a situation that looks exactly like how you started your posting in here:

It's like you just walked right into a bar and just ran up to everyone and punched them in the face and when they all turned around and went to punch you back... you fall to the floor and cry about everyone ganging up on you.

[Fading]

I honestly thought Obama did better than McCain in both debates, tho he lost ground in the 2nd. I didn't vote for Palin because I thought that she was debating on a high school level while Biden blew me away and felt presidental.

If Obama does piss poor tonight and McCain wows me, I'll vote for McCain in this thread. However McCain comes off as angry and insulting, he produces gaffes in every debate, and I honestly don't like his answers on some of the issues.

As for this debate, I think McCain needs to put the attacks aside and get his message across. Articles have pointed out he's yet to say the words middle class, and that's a large portion of who he needs to get in the good graces of. He needs turn his anger down a notch, not talk in the tone he did in the second debate (as if we were children), and I'd like for him to clear up his ever changing stances.

Obama needs to be able to counter Ayers, and stay on topic without being too aggressive. I also don't want a repeat of Obama disrespecting the rules.

[lazur]

You can't complain about gang tactics... when well... I'll just describe a situation that looks exactly like how you started your posting in here:

It's like you just walked right into a bar and just ran up to everyone and punched them in the face and when they all turned around and went to punch you back... you fall to the floor and cry about everyone ganging up on you.

Only a liberal would equate a conservative's disagreement with 'punching someone in the face.'

I rest my case.

[Marx]

What's the point of these polls? We already know who is going to win before it even happens on this forum. Obama could be brain-dead during the debate and this forum would still call him the winner...

Don't take part in it then. If you're so disheartened by this forum, GO FIND ANOTHER ONE.

You're too far left to see where the center is.

And you're so far to the right that you might as well be a liberal.

[jaguarr]

Only a liberal would equate a conservative's disagreement with 'punching someone in the face.'

I rest my case.

:lmao: I'm sorry, but this one....this one is priceless.

jag

[Gilpesh]

Only a liberal would equate a conservative's disagreement with 'punching someone in the face.'

You didn't 'disagree'... you said this:

What's the point of these polls? We already know who is going to win before it even happens on this forum. Obama could be brain-dead during the debate and this forum would still call him the winner...

That's not disagreeing... that's just flaming Obama supporters on this board and anyone who actually thought about their vote on that poll and decided to say Obama won the second debate.



Which is hilarious because if Obama was brain-dead during a debate... I wouldn't say he won. But Palin was brain-dead during the VP debate and you immediately said she won... good job :up:

[Excel]

Oops, I accidentally already voted Obama! Anyway it can be erased? I thought it was for the last debate and I hadnt voted.

[Gilpesh]

:facepalm

Nice one.

[jaguarr]

Chalk one up in the "Oops!" column for the guy named after a spreadsheet application. :o

jag

[Fading]

Oops, I accidentally already voted Obama! Anyway it can be erased? I thought it was for the last debate and I hadnt voted.

Last couple of times the mods have cleared the voting before the debate, and then lock it until the debate is over, or almost over. So I wouldn't worry about it as they'll probably do the same again.

[jaguarr]

Chalk one up in the "Oops!" column for the guy named after a spreadsheet application. :o

jag

[Fading]

Chalk one up in the "Oops!" column for the guy named after a spreadsheet application. :o

jag

Lol.

[Excel]

Its better than my first name :o

[lazur]

You didn't 'disagree'... you said this:



That's not disagreeing... that's just flaming Obama supporters on this board and anyone who actually thought about their vote on that poll and decided to say Obama won the second debate.



Which is hilarious because if Obama was brain-dead during a debate... I wouldn't say he won. But Palin was brain-dead during the VP debate and you immediately said she won... good job :up:

It's not flaming to point out the reality of the situation.

[Gilpesh]

It's not flaming to point out the reality of the situation.

I could call you a lot of names right now... and it would be flaming AND pointing out the reality of the situation.



Plus, you also just s**t on everyone that voted Obama.... because they thought Obama won and reasoned it out (and by reasoned, I don't mean completely spun it)... except Excel, he votes for Obama winning even though they haven't even debated yet (:hehe:).

[Excel]

It was an accident chill da **** out geez

[Gilpesh]

It was an accident chill da **** out geez

Psht.... the :hehe: is the nudge to say it's a joke! :o

[Fading]

Its better than my first name :o

Heh, nah it's a good name. Just how he said it made me crack up :).

[Marx]

THE STAGE IS SET!

http://www1.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Hofstra+University+Prepares+Final+Presidential+ePQ UpOt0_AQl.jpg

THIS SHOULD BE INTERESTING! :yay:

[BlackLantern]

^^^^mooooortal kombat!!!!

[Jokers_Wild]

I wonder if McCain will look at Obama when he speaks to him this time. It's funny they have to sit facing each other. :yay:

[Marx]

^^^^mooooortal kombat!!!!

:lmao:

[Excel]

Psht.... the :hehe: is the nudge to say it's a joke! :o

Ight I see :cwink:

[Matt]

Oops, I accidentally already voted Obama! Anyway it can be erased? I thought it was for the last debate and I hadnt voted.

It is reset...but you lose your vote now. Sorry.

[Excel]

eh w/e

[Jokers_Wild]

It is reset...but you lose your vote now. Sorry.

I smell voter fraud!! :hehe:

[lazur]

It is reset...but you lose your vote now. Sorry.

Oh that's terrible. Maybe McCain has a chance of winning now... LOL.

[The Senator]

Oh that's terrible. Maybe McCain has a chance of winning now... LOL.

Anything is possible, as we have yet to view the debate tonight. :yay:

[Excel]

Oh that's terrible. Maybe McCain has a chance of winning now... LOL.

:woot: LOL



...yeah :up: :rolleyes:

[Matt]

eh w/e

Sorry, all I can do is change it back to zero. I can't reset.

[Marx]

I smell voter fraud!! :hehe:

:funny:

[gap5ewl]

Who want's to bet McCain is gonna have a meltdown tonight?

[Marx]

Who want's to bet McCain is gonna have a meltdown tonight?

He's in a horrible position Gap5. If he doesn't bring up Ayers, he is a coward for saying it all behind Obama's back. If he does bring up Ayers, he continues to push negative attacks and fear mongering that have backfired so badly in his face over the last week and a half. Quite the quandry.

[bunk]

Obama should bring out a laptop with his Ayers response from the debate with Hillary loaded up. He just hits the play button. "That."

[Paradoxium]

Any chance there will be a third option:

Draw / Both Lost ?

[lazur]

Any chance there will be a third option:

Draw / Both Lost ?

Yeah, that would at least appear to be more fair...

[Marx]

Yeah, that would at least appear to be more fair...

There has been a draw option for all of the debate polls in this thread, if I remember correctly. I'm sure this will be fixed. Although, I can't see you voting for a draw option...or an Obama option, despite what might happen in the debate.

[gap5ewl]

He's in a horrible position Gap5. If he doesn't bring up Ayers, he is a coward for saying it all behind Obama's back. If he does bring up Ayers, he continues to push negative attacks and fear mongering that have backfired so badly in his face over the last week and a half. Quite the quandry.

I don't think he'll be able to handle it anymore and will have a bitter old man moment on tv haha. I just wonder what Obama's response is going to be to Ayers besides "it's not true".

[Comicfilmer]

Yeah, that would at least appear to be more fair...

While we're at it, we should probably get a "I want John McCain to have my babies" option just for you. :hehe:

[Marx]

I don't think he'll be able to handle it anymore and will have a bitter old man moment on tv haha. I just wonder what Obama's response is going to be to Ayers besides "it's not true".

All indications coming from the Obama campaign are that they are prepared to handle anything that McCain might throw.

[Lightning Strykez!]

I think McCain made a grave mistake talking all "big and bad" this week leading up to tonight. He's going to look pitiful if he attempts to go all "mavericky" on Obama. The whole goal is to try to rattle Obama up, but that seems to be a very difficult feat and McCain will damage himself everytime as he tries to do so.

[Lightning Strykez!]

Oops, I accidentally already voted Obama! Anyway it can be erased? I thought it was for the last debate and I hadnt voted.

Um...ACORN much??? :whatever:

You lose a turn. :down

[Paradoxium]

McCain is a dumbass, he is playing his solutions and ideas off the same economic context of the Democrats. He is not smart enough to change the context of the problem. It is not deregulation, and even if it was - ****ing Jimmy Carter started deregulating anyways* (again this is not the cause). All of McCain's solution are a poor man's Democrat version of the solution.

Obama's solution is to pour kerosene at the flaming house. McCain's solution is to dilute it with water while throwing in some dry wood for kicks.

This debate is going to be utterly garbage with no alternative POV to the issue and the context of it. Just two morons pointing at each other's party's ****ups and propagating a non-solution solution. But hey, I am alright with a surprise. If the last couple of debates are any indication (economic policy), I would vote "both lost".


* http://mises.org/story/535 note the site is praising Carter for the deregulation

[Marx]

MCCAIN SEEKS TO 'RECHARGE' CANDIDACY AT FINAL DEBATE
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081015/ap_on_el_pr/presidential_debate

[Paradoxium]

The only way McCain will get sudden splurge of voters is if he 180s on the bailout and start addressing the federal reserve, the fiat problem, the fractional reserve problem and the micromanagement of interest rates, and the piss poor government programs that paved the way to lending money to unqualified applicants. Along with prosecuting Alan f***ing Greenspan.

Otherwise the only thing he is recharging is a overused nickel plate Duracell battery.

[lazur]

There has been a draw option for all of the debate polls in this thread, if I remember correctly. I'm sure this will be fixed. Although, I can't see you voting for a draw option...or an Obama option, despite what might happen in the debate.

Touché...

[Fading]

MCCAIN SEEKS TO 'RECHARGE' CANDIDACY AT FINAL DEBATE
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081015/ap_on_el_pr/presidential_debate

If McCain can actually say something so damning about Obama that he can negate double digit losses and gain ground, it's going to have be something huge. I'm talking a pic of him holding Osama Bin Ladin's head while balancing on the US flag.

On the flip side of the coin, I can't see anyone being so wish washy that they would change their vote for either candidate based on one last debate when the first two, and everything leading up to it did nothing for them.

This debate is probably going to be more of the same on a slightly higher lvl. Instead of questioning Obama's voting record, it's going to be questioning Obama's assosiation with Ayers. Instead of saying McCain's like Bush, it's going to be that + Keating. They both can still come off as negative, but I don't see this being a race changing event.

[lazur]

McCain is a dumbass, he is playing his solutions and ideas off the same economic context of the Democrats. He is not smart enough to change the context of the problem. It is not deregulation, and even if it was - ****ing Jimmy Carter started deregulating anyways* (again this is not the cause). All of McCain's solution are a poor man's Democrat version of the solution.

Obama's solution is to pour kerosene at the flaming house. McCain's solution is to dilute it with water while throwing in some dry wood for kicks.

This debate is going to be utterly garbage with no alternative POV to the issue and the context of it. Just two morons pointing at each other's party's ****ups and propagating a non-solution solution. But hey, I am alright with a surprise. If the last couple of debates are any indication (economic policy), I would vote "both lost".


* http://mises.org/story/535 note the site is praising Carter for the deregulation

Funny how double standards work, ain't it?

And ... I feel your pain. McCain is not representing his party nearly well enough. Sometimes it almost looks like he's throwing this election.

[Bathead]

That's one problem (one of many) that I have with McCain. If he can't seem to run a coherent campaign, what makes anyone think he is capable of running a country?

[sinewave]

does rahm emanuel remind anyone else of nathan petrelli?

[Honey Vibe]

I'm here; ready to go as a teddy-o.
And I just wanted to say before the debate begins, I love the discussion and commentary with you boys, and I've thoroughly enjoyed each presidential debate with you.

[Honey Vibe]

does rahm emanuel remind anyone else of nathan petrelli?
Something between him and Mauri Povich.

[sinewave]

Something between him and Mauri Povich.

yeah, i could see that.

[Paradoxium]

Dear Honey Vibe.

Remember when Obama says Reagan and deregulation. Paradoxium said "Jimmy Carter deregulated", and deregulation not the issue here anyways.

Sincerely,
Paradoxium

P.S.
I'm Batman :cmad:

[Grif]

Wow he shook his hand

[Paradoxium]

Who cares they could grab each other's crotch for all I care :cmad: :woot:

[sinewave]

mccain: "they're angry!"

[Honey Vibe]

Dear Honey Vibe.

Remember when Obama says Reagan and deregulation. Paradoxium said "Jimmy Carter deregulated", and deregulation not the issue here anyways.

Sincerely,
Paradoxium

P.S.
I'm Batman :cmad:
hokay!

[Honey Vibe]

McCain making the case for middle class bailout worked into the Wall Street bailout...

[Paradoxium]

Note: McCain/Obama cannot force Paulson to do X Y Z due the conditions of the bailout bill. Paulson can do whatever he wants. Remember this.

[Hobgoblin]

I just got home. What did I miss?

[Grif]

I wonder what Obama's magical word will be tonight

[kane9321]

and here we go

[Honey Vibe]

Don't do it, McCain, don't be an attack dog...

[kane9321]

is it me or does mcCain look...funny tonite

[Addendum]

Joe Wantsaburger?

[kane9321]

joe whataburger

[CFE]

poor "Joe the Plumber" :csad:

Oh, good jab Barack :woot:

CFE

[Honey Vibe]

I wonder what Obama's magical word will be tonight
Minnesototopia? :huh:

[Paradoxium]

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=313118

THE 95% ILLUSION :woot:

[CFE]

Joe Wantsaburger?

Well if the economy gets fixed, he can get that burger!

CFE

[kane9321]

joe the plumber

[Addendum]

Well if the economy gets fixed, he can get that burger!

CFE

http://www.styleofeye.com/images/wimpy-from-popeye1.jpg

[Honey Vibe]

is it me or does mcCain look...funny tonite
...*sigh*. The fellow needs to just be himself. He's actually very charming on the camera, which is lost when he's "coached" beforehand. McCain was clearly told to look directly into the camera when he speaks a humanistic story.

[kane9321]

obama on the attack

[redfirebird2008]

McCain looks bad with the "spread the wealth" thing. Defending the rich. Not a populist way of presenting himself.

[redfirebird2008]

Obama keeps lying about his tax plan. It's NOT 95% getting a tax cut. It's 81% according to FactCheck.org.

[kane9321]

dont interrupt obama

[Hobgoblin]

The sound bites tomorrow will be all about Joe the plumber.

[Paradoxium]

Obama keeps lying about his tax plan. It's NOT 95% getting a tax cut. It's 81% according to FactCheck.org.

:heart:

[sinewave]

"spread the wealth" :rolleyes: there's been a distribution of wealth from the poor and middle class towards the upper class for decades now. it's about fairness.

[Gilpesh]

I thought a large percentage of American corporations don't even pay taxes... What do you think of that Mr. "They pay the second highest in the world" McCain?

[Paradoxium]

They will never get their money back with printing money out of thin air and diluting the value of the dollar.

[Addendum]

With everyone talking about Joe the plumber, they all forgot about Mario:csad:

http://www.gamerevolution.com/images/misc/ron_mario.jpg

[redfirebird2008]

:heart:

And McCain's been lying about Obama's tax plan as well, claiming that Obama's going to RAISE taxes on EVERYONE. Which one's closer, the guy who's 14% off on the number of people who will get a tax cut on his plan or the guy who's 81% off in claiming someone will raise taxes on everyone?

[gap5ewl]

McCain is already doing the blink 1,000 times per second.

[gap5ewl]

With everyone talking about Joe the plumber, they all forgot about Mario:csad:

http://www.gamerevolution.com/images/misc/ron_mario.jpg

oh dear lord that will haunt me in my sleep :csad:

[Paradoxium]

And McCain's been lying about Obama's tax plan as well, claiming that Obama's going to RAISE taxes on EVERYONE. Which one's closer, the guy who's 14% off on the number of people who will get a tax cut on his plan or the guy who's 81% off in claiming someone will raise taxes on everyone?

:huh::heart:

[Paradoxium]

You can't increase home values wooooooo

[kane9321]

those lines still go down when Mccain talks

[redfirebird2008]

:huh::heart:

I just want them to BOTH tell the frickin' truth about his tax plan instead of misleading the public.

[The Senator]

HAHAHAHAHA!

Bob Scheiffer is kicking both their asses when it comes to addressing the actual QUESTIONS being asked of them.

Right on :up:

[gap5ewl]

HAHAHAHAHA!

Bob Scheiffer is kicking both their asses when it comes to addressing the actual QUESTIONS being asked of them.

Right on :up:

Yeah he just did it to McCain. Keep them on track.

[kane9321]

Bob Scheiffer is pimp

[Paradoxium]

It's not 10 trillion dollar anymore. The bailout is going from 700 billion to 2.5 trillion btw guys

[Hobgoblin]

Schieffer is on the ball tonight. Actually making them answer the questions.

[Gilpesh]

Yeah... we definitely need that "Both Lose" opinion... or a 'Bob Scheiffer is awesome' option.


And McCain shows he doesn't understand medicine.... you can't just chop off a limb and then try and fix it...

[Addendum]

So McCain says "I know how to do this". The catch is you have to vote for him so he'll tell.

If not, he'll take his "knowledge" and go to one of his homes

[The Incredible Hulk]

anyone else watching on CNN with this "analyst scoring system" they have up?

[gap5ewl]

So McCain says "I know how to do this". The catch is you have to vote for him so he'll tell.

If not, he'll take his "knowledge" and go to one of his homes

Yeah I hate that. If you know how to fix the economy and find Osama, then why arent you doing it.:huh:

[Paradoxium]

Neither will balance the budget. Lets not kid ourselves

[Honey Vibe]

McCain is already doing the blink 1,000 times per second.
He's angry...

[kane9321]

its gonna take more than 4yrs to fix this mess

[redfirebird2008]

Neither will balance the budget. Lets not kid ourselves

LOL, exactly.

"I'm not President Bush."

Uh, then why the hell do you vote in support of his policies 90% of the time?

[kane9321]

obama just laughing at him..lol

wha if ur not bush..than why did u vote with him 91% of the time

[Gilpesh]

Um... McCain... stop talking about goodies for the Oil Companies... when you yourself want to cut their taxes even more.

[Hobgoblin]

its gonna take more than 4yrs to fix this mess

Exactly, neither of them can do it.

[redfirebird2008]

Obama just nailed McCain on the $42,000 per year claim. McCain's so full of **** on that one it's not even funny. He's been called out constantly for it by FactCheck.org.

[Honey Vibe]

So McCain says "I know how to do this".

((nods)) He needs to simply state how/what he will do, and it is implied that he will know how to lead.

[Excel]

i just got here, hows my boy doing?

[TNC9852002]

is it me or does mcCain look...funny tonite

Exactly, neither of them can do it.
Well, the lousy economic system that was established nearly a century ago is finally catching up to this country.

There is no way of getting out of it.

-TNC

[Hobgoblin]

I wish McCain would address the 90% agreement with Bush stat.

[Addendum]

Balancing the budget is so 90's:o

[Knives]

McCain is awefulyl cranky tonight

[Superman]

i just got here, hows my boy doing?McCain is on the attack. :hehe:

[BMM]

This could get interesting.

[gap5ewl]

uh oh looks like Ayers is coming up...

[TNC9852002]

lol@Obama's neck twist

-TNC

[Arc-Light]

wow what a question.............

[BMM]

Good God. Get over the town hall meetings.

[redfirebird2008]

Go Scheiffer! Calling out both campaigns. "Will you say to each other what your campaigns have said?"

What a load of crap. McCain is defending his attacks by whining about debates? WTF?

[The Incredible Hulk]

Is Bob Scheffler gonna have to choke a *****?

[kane9321]

someone pissed in McCain's corn flakes tonite...look at his face..lol

[Addendum]

There have been a total of 49 freakin' debates, including the primaries. Why the hell would anyone want another 10?!

[Excel]

Ok, so John, you wont say it? Ok.

[Hobgoblin]

So McCain is blaming Obama for the negative things the McCain campaign has said?

[redfirebird2008]

McCain is so full of **** on this John Lewis thing. What a joke.

[Gilpesh]

Wow.... Lewis came up so McCain can play the victim card.... :whatever:

[Knives]

McCan better be fareful here, this can explode right in his face.

[gap5ewl]

I'm so sick of this bs by McCain "Oh if we didn't do townhall meetings, maybe I wouldn't be so negative." Are you kidding me!?!??

[Matt]

hardball question from Schaeffer.

[Excel]

thats not true

[Arc-Light]

NO McCain noooooooooooooooooo.............

[redfirebird2008]

"Every time a Republican has said something out of bounds, I've repudiated it."

No, John, you haven't. Your own running mate accused Obama of "paling around" with terrorists.

[kane9321]

truthful campaign...Mccain...buaahahahahaa

[Knives]

McCain is lying out of his ass with this **** here

[kane9321]

get him obama ..sic em

[Addendum]

So it's Obama's fault that he's raised a bunch of money from the people that support him, which last time I checked, they are part of the public

[redfirebird2008]

McCain just lied about him not running 100% negative ads. Outside, independent organizations have verified it. LOL.

[Gilpesh]

McCain might blow in this debate.... he's interrupting Obama way too much.

[kane9321]

damn McCain is a filthy liar

[gap5ewl]

Haha Obama got him on the townhall meeting comment.

[Addendum]

McCain might blow in this debate.... he's interrupting Obama way too much.

Haaa?
http://www.huge-entity.com/images3/sm_earhorn.jpg

[Nirvana]

LoL @ McCain saying he'll run an honest campaign.

[The Apocalypse]

HAHA the host is starting **** between the two. This is much more interesting then baseball!

[redfirebird2008]

LOL, Obama nailing McCain on the fact that he doesn't want to talk about the economy (his own advisers have admitted they lose on the economy and need to change the subject).

[kane9321]

obama just trapped him ..about the negative ads..wow

[Arc-Light]

Oh snap Obama going the high road=win...........

[Hobgoblin]

"Congratulations."

Ouch.

[Paradoxium]

Oh **** sakes who cares about these god damn ads. Get on with the god damn policies :cmad:

[Honey Vibe]

Don't be dissin' our cardinals Obama bwa ha hahaaa ha

[Knives]

I LOVE how McCain has the balls to sit there and act the VICTIM of negative ads. Incredible.

[Excel]

look whose talking

[BMM]

It's not wrong to attack or question an opposing candidate's policies, John.

[redfirebird2008]

LOL, McCain whining about the amount of money that Obama's spending. Yeah, Johnny Mac, that's because Obama has the ability to raise money out the ass. Perhaps you should try it sometime. Oh wait, YOU CAN'T.

[kane9321]

goodnite McCain....

[Arc-Light]

Oh boy............

[Nirvana]

I think McCain is done for...

[kane9321]

Oooh ****e...about palin palin.....really he called her out..lol

[redfirebird2008]

Obama calling out Palin for not stopping the nutjobs at her rallies. McCain making a fool of himself, cutting off Obama. "You've gotta read what he said."

[BatMatt]

way for Obama to bring up the "terrorist" and "kill him" comments and how Palin did nothing to correct them...and then McCain interrupted

[Gilpesh]

Wow McCain.... way to treat your opponent with respect.... your supporters are yelling to kill him... and you're supposedly the victim and you won't even let him answer.

F**k you.

[Knives]

Thank you Obama for settling that crap with Lewis and calling out McCain on hsi ******** with THAT subject.

[Hobgoblin]

Boy does John look uncomfortable about the "kill him" comments. Like he wants to crawl out of his skin.

[The Senator]

McCain is coming off as an angry ass.

[redfirebird2008]

Obama is taking the high road by trying to get the debate on topic. McCain looks BAD right now, a whining, sniveling jerk.

[gap5ewl]

McCain is getting pissed. lol

[Excel]

mccain...

[redfirebird2008]

McCain just said he's "proud" of the people who come to his rallies. LOL.

[BatMatt]

Obama calling out Palin for not stopping the nutjobs at her rallies. McCain making a fool of himself, cutting off Obama. "You've gotta read what he said."
great minds think alike

[sinewave]

obamowned on the town hall excuse! suck it old man!

[kane9321]

pal around with terriosts....nite nite

[Gilpesh]

Wow McCain.... shut up.

[Paradoxium]

They probably spent more time debating on advertisements and rallies then the economy :cmad: :cmad:

[Excel]

what????????????

[Knives]

Ok McCain is so BEYOND full of ****ing ****. So its patriotic to yell KILL HIM? TREASON?

**** this guy.

[Arc-Light]

Whaaaaa............

[terry78]

Stick a fork in the McRib-wich...he's done.

[gap5ewl]

Hey McCain, did somebody yell out "Kill McCain!" at Obama's rally?

[kane9321]

look at john getting pissed,,this is the greatest thing ever

[Addendum]

There has been nothing yelled at an Obama rally that comes anywhere close to what some asshats at McCain/Palin rallies have yelled.

For a 70 odd year old, he still acts like a whiny 4 year old

[redfirebird2008]

Wait, is McCain bringing up the "****" t-shirts? Perhaps Obama should bring up the "****" joke McCain himself used against Cindy McCain? John McCain is in ZERO position to pretend to be a feminist that is offended by the use of the word ****. PERIOD.