The Presidential Debates

[Marx]

Welcome to the boards Lyons! :yay:

[ShadowBoxing]

I think Lyons is confused, the Superman boards are elsewhere.

[Marx]

What is with you people and welcoming? Anyways, our political system is "screwed up" beyond repair. Either way we get a virtual dictator for four more years, riding the coat tails of the Military Commissions Act and the Patriot Act.

I can UNwelcome you real quick? If you'd prefer that instead? :dry:

[souvlaki]

What an ass. Have fun being the first modern day Republican to lose Mississippi.

It probably wont happen, but my God that would be so hilarious if McCain managed to give Obama Mississippi by ditching the debate.

[Excel]

Brosef chill with that fire lyons

[Excel]

Btw, there is no way McCain doesnt go to the debate.

[The Battousai]

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w160/backtothefront88/word%20pics/excusemehades.jpgWhatever gets you hot, big guy.

[danoyse]

I can UNwelcome you real quick? If you'd prefer that instead? :dry:

He's been completely un-welcomed. No worries. :up:

[ShadowBoxing]

It probably wont happen, but my God that would be so hilarious if McCain managed to give Obama Mississippi by ditching the debate.
Insulting the south is what took it away from the Democrats..

[Knives]

Btw, there is no way McCain doesnt go to the debate.

He's beyond belief! This has been the biggest backfire for him. He went there, to Worshington, becuase thsi deal needed to be passed through! it was urgent! It needed to happen now! Stop the debate stop the campaign! Lets go to Worshington!!

So what happens? The deal is agreed upon BEFORE he gets there. SO, then he DOES get there and what happens? Becuase he chose to stick politics into this process, the republicans balked, and the deal FELL APART. So now there is no deal. So he flew there to try to see this deal went through, and instead it has fallen through. So now he looks like a complete idiot. His ONLY win solution out of this, if he can have any, is that a new deal is made by tomorrow that everybody agrees on. Not sure thats gonna happen. So now he is STUCK with nothing to do and nothing to say, his cheap attempt at looking like a leader blowing up in his face.

So now he HAS to go to the debate. Too much is riding on it now, especially with this botched crap he just pulled. But of course, he SUSPENDED his campaign until there was a deal. No deal now. So he has to figure out a way to turn the campaign back on and go to the debate anyway, which makes him look even more erratic then he already looks. Ife he doesnt show up, then Obama gets the entire thing to himself, and damn near seals the deal with this election. McCain, through his own gamble, has all but garaunteed his participation in this debate, or he's completely finished. What a sad, sad, man.

[jaguarr]

He's been completely un-welcomed. No worries. :up:

Was Lyons a repeat offender, maybe was using the nick of "Alucard" up until yesterday? Smells suspiciously like the same troll.

jag

[Marx]

He's been completely un-welcomed. No worries. :up:

Many thanks Dan. :cwink:

[Marx]

OBAMA ADVISOR PREDICTS MCCAIN WILL SHOW UP TO DEBATE
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/25/obama-adviser-predicts-mccain-will-show-up/





We shall see, won't we?

[Knives]

He pretty much has to show up. I will be AMAZED if he doesn't.

[Marx]

MICHELLE OBAMA TO HOST US SOLDIER'S WIFE AT DEBATE
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/25/michelle-obama-to-host-us-soldiers-wife-at-debate/





http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

[The Senator]

MICHELLE OBAMA TO HOST US SOLDIER'S WIFE AT DEBATE
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/25/michelle-obama-to-host-us-soldiers-wife-at-debate/





http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

Lesbian! :cmad:

[Marx]

Lesbian! :cmad:

:funny:

I needed that laugh man, thank you! :yay:

[jaguarr]

Lesbian! :cmad:


Wait....is the soldier's wife hot? That might affect my viewing choices tomorrow night. :o

jag

[jaguarr]

OBAMA ADVISOR PREDICTS MCCAIN WILL SHOW UP TO DEBATE
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/25/obama-adviser-predicts-mccain-will-show-up/





We shall see, won't we?

If McCain feels like he's being forced into showing up at the debates he is going to undoubtedly be pissed off from the get go about it and will likely lose his cool on stage at some point, especially if Obama can rile him up a little bit. And, he'll look like a jackass for not doing what he said he was going to do, to boot. If he doesn't show up, he'll still look like a jackass only Obama will have two unfettered hours of national television exposure to verbally pummel McCain and really make him look stupid. No matter what McCain does, he's screwed his campaign good and hard with this bonehead move of his.

jag

[The Senator]

If McCain feels like he's being forced into showing up at the debates he is going to undoubtedly be pissed off from the get go about it and will likely lose his cool on stage at some point, especially if Obama can rile him up a little bit. And, he'll look like a jackass for not doing what he said he was going to do, to boot. If he doesn't show up, he'll still look like a jackass only Obama will have two unfettered hours of national television exposure to verbally pummel McCain and really make him look stupid. No matter what McCain does, he's screwed his campaign good and hard with this bonehead move of his.

jag

That's pretty much it. McCain has backed himself into a corner with this, and frankly I'm glad. He intended his little ploy to make him look like a true "maverick," someone who was dedicated to putting his country first and fixing the vast economic crisis which hit this country. And forty-five minutes after his arrival in Washington, Congress had approved of a bailout plan without him having read it or put his input in on the final product. Instead, he gave interviews with the press in New York, and did anything but suspend his campaign.

Now, prominent Congressmen, Republicans and Democrats, are saying that McCain had no impact on the bailout plan, and are rejecting his campaign's claims that his decision to "suspend" campaigning led to swift action. Not to mention his calls to indefinitely postpone the VP debate (which seems ironic, considering the failure that was last night's Sarah Palin interview with Katie Couric).

He will look like he's going back on his word if he shows up tomorrow night, but the American people will not buy his stunt if he doesn't show up. He is damned either way around.

[Marx]

If McCain feels like he's being forced into showing up at the debates he is going to undoubtedly be pissed off from the get go about it and will likely lose his cool on stage at some point, especially if Obama can rile him up a little bit. And, he'll look like a jackass for not doing what he said he was going to do, to boot. If he doesn't show up, he'll still look like a jackass only Obama will have two unfettered hours of national television exposure to verbally pummel McCain and really make him look stupid. No matter what McCain does, he's screwed his campaign good and hard with this bonehead move of his.

jag

If John McCain does not show up, I think it should be Obama AND Biden on the stage in a townhall. THAT would be great! :yay:

[The Senator]

I actually think the debate should be open to Bob Barr, considering he is the next-highest ranking candidate in terms of poll numbers.

[Marx]

I actually think the debate should be open to Bob Barr, considering he is the next-highest ranking candidate in terms of poll numbers.

If it were opened up to include Bob Barr, wouldn't Ralph Nader also need to be included? (As much as I cannot stand that man...)

[The Senator]

If it were opened up to include Bob Barr, wouldn't Ralph Nader also need to be included? (As much as I cannot stand that man...)

Not necessarily. Barr is polling higher than Nader, after all, so the debate organizers can simply say "we went for the candidate who has been polling second to Obama, other than McCain."

[MattBearPig]

I think they need to do a boxing match after the verbal debate.:o

[Marx]

Not necessarily. Barr is polling higher than Nader, after all, so the debate organizers can simply say "we went for the candidate who has been polling second to Obama, other than McCain."

That is a way to go about it. I can already hear the 'McCain conspiracy theorists' and 'Nader diehards' crying out in revolt over such a decision.

'You only agreed to let the candidate in that would take away more of your opponents votes? Only giving that person more influence to syphon votes away from those that wouldn't hurt you???'

[The Senator]

That is a way to go about it. I can already hear the 'McCain conspiracy theorists' and 'Nader diehards' crying out in revolt over such a decision.

'You only agreed to let the candidate in that would take away more of your opponents votes? Only giving that person more influence to syphon votes away from those that wouldn't hurt you???'

In all fairness, though, I could see Barr's performance at the debate making a huge impact on McCain's support.

But unfortunately, that scenario is unlikely to play out.

[Marx]

In all fairness, though, I could see Barr's performance at the debate making a huge impact on McCain's support.

But unfortunately, that scenario is unlikely to play out.

I could too, that's what I'm saying. If that scenario played out, and Nader wasn't a part of it - McCain and company would be up and arms threatening to sue the system. (Despite 'suspending' their campaign for the greater good of the nation.)

[sasquatchs]

Grueling Prep Work Precedes Critical Clash (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/25/AR2008092504491.html?referrer=digg&sid=ST2008092504642&s_pos=)

On first glance it looks like Obama's debating Samwise Gamgee. No amount of lecturn negotiation will prevent this looking odd

[Marx]

BREAKING NEWS!

ACCORDING TO CNN.COM, JOHN MCCAIN WILL BE PARTICIPATING IN TONIGHT'S PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE.

(I wonder if his campaign is still 'suspended'? Did they agree on a deal for the bailout yet? Have I missed something? :confused:)

[Gilpesh]

And there it goes.... McCain's word is out the window.

[Raiden]

BREAKING NEWS!

ACCORDING TO CNN.COM, JOHN MCCAIN WILL BE PARTICIPATING IN TONIGHT'S PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE.

(I wonder if his campaign is still 'suspended'? Did they agree on a deal for the bailout yet? Have I missed something? :whatever:)

I guess McCain's lame attempt at postponing the debate doesn't work. Btw, I wish the national media would call McCain's BS pledge to "suspend" his campaign, when he carried on his interviews and ads uninterrupted.

[StrainedEyes]

I really hope he doesn't try to spin this tonight. "I was in Warshington, I was there because I put Country First"

[Armand Z Trip]

McCain on his way to the debate. The bailout deal must have worked out then!

[lazur]

I guess McCain's lame attempt at postponing the debate doesn't work. Btw, I wish the national media would call McCain's BS pledge to "suspend" his campaign, when he carried on his interviews and ads uninterrupted.

Wow, just crazy. McCain NEVER SAID he was definitely not going to make the debate. He said he was unsure as to whether or not his (and Obama's) presence would be needed in DC during this crisis, and that as long as the possibility existed, he couldn't commit to a debate that is lower in priority than the country's welfare.

Obama should have done the same thing.

[StrainedEyes]

Wow, just crazy. McCain NEVER SAID he was definitely not going to make the debate. He said he was unsure as to whether or not his (and Obama's) presence would be needed in DC during this crisis, and that as long as the possibility existed, he couldn't commit to a debate that is lower in priority than the country's welfare.

Obama should have done the same thing.

But, the problem is still there, yet now McCain says he doesn't need to be there and can go to the debate. Doesn't that go against your point?

[Marx]

I really hope he doesn't try to spin this tonight. "I was in Warshington, I was there because I put Country First"

I fully expect McCain to beat Obama over the head tonight with his 'Country First' stick. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon13.gif





It's just too bad that McCain is going to look like a fool instead.

[lazur]

But, the problem is still there, yet now McCain says he doesn't need to be there and can go to the debate. Doesn't that go against your point?

Not if they have a deal...

[jaguarr]

I really hope he doesn't try to spin this tonight. "I was in Warshington, I was there because I put Country First"

That would be dumb. Barack could just say "You know, I was in Washington for that crucial meeting as well and I never played games with the American people, claiming to suspend my campaign while still running my attack ads, making public appearances and doing network interviews in New York City for a full 24 hours AFTER I said I was going to drop everything to go Washington to "fix" things and then arrived in Washington AFTER an agreeable plan was put together by both sides of Congress only to have a hand in making the agreement to that plan blow up and stall things yet again. YOU did that, John."

jag

[ShadowBoxing]

Not if they have a deal...
...well, as of now, they don't.

[Marx]

That would be dumb. Barack could just say "You know, I was in Washington for that crucial meeting as well and I never played games with the American people, claiming to suspend my campaign while still running my attack ads, making public appearances and doing network interviews in New York City for a full 24 hours AFTER I said I was going to drop everything to go Washington to "fix" things and then arrived in Washington AFTER an agreeable plan was put together by both sides of Congress only to have a hand in making the agreement to that plan blow up and stall things yet again. YOU did that, John."

jag

I will be very curious to see if any of that will be brought up.

[Marx]

...well, as of now, they don't.

A prerequisite for McCain's postponement of the debate hinged upon if they had a deal or not. He said if there was no deal, he wouldn't be at the debate.





(Guess...he...didn't...really...mean...that...eith er...http://forums.superherohype.com/images/icons/icon11.gif)

[ShadowBoxing]

A prerequisite for McCain's postponement of the debate hinged upon if they had a deal or not. He said if there was no deal, he wouldn't be at the debate.
(Guess...he...didn't...really...mean...that...eith er...http://forums.superherohype.com/images/icons/icon11.gif)

John McCain new slogan: "You should know when I say something, I don't mean it".

[Excel]

is he coming or what?

[souvlaki]

Not if they have a deal...

Do you know something we don't?

This is such a joke. What purpose did suspending his campaign serve outside of making McCain look like an attention whore? He's still running television ads. He's still making television appearances, as are his surrogates. His campaign offices are still open for business. Palin is still making appearances, and even took questions yesterday. And now he's going to the debate despite the fact that a deal has not been struck, and probably wont be. Seriously lazur, HE DIDN'T SUSPEND HIS CAMPAIGN. So what was the point in saying he was going to?

[ShadowBoxing]

is he coming or what?
Yeah, he's coming, but he's not gonna like it.

[souvlaki]

Anyone want to place bets on McCain using Obama as an excuse why his campaign is no longer suspended as if Obama went back on some promise he never made?

[ShadowBoxing]

Anyone want to place bets on McCain using Obama as an excuse why his campaign is no longer suspended as if Obama went back on some promise he never made?
It's all that Obama's fault...he made me not save Wall street.:waa:

[Excel]

Good, hopefully his temper goes off.

McCain has backed himself into such a hole, I am pretty surprised. He tried to get out of the debate. Than he said hed only go if there was a deal, but there is no deal and he is going. EVERYONE is blaming his party AND himself for blocking the aid deal.

Its isnt so much what he did, but the fact that he said hed do so much stuff that he didnt, that makes him lose so much credibility. Gotta atleast try to keep your story straight.

[Überlibran]

is he coming or what?
Yeah, he's coming. As a matter of fact, his campaign already had ads up (accidentally of course) and he's been declared the WINNAR!! Check it out:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2008/09/mccain_wins_debate.html

[souvlaki]

Yeah, he's coming. As a matter of fact, his campaign already had ads up (accidentally of course) and he's been declared the WINNAR!! Check it out:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2008/09/mccain_wins_debate.html

I was just about to post about this! What the hell? This whole thing is just one big joke.

[Marx]

is he coming or what?

Yes, he's coming. (Deal or no deal, apparantly. Even though he said that he WOULD NOT be there if no deal was reached on the bailout.)

Anyone want to place bets on McCain using Obama as an excuse why his campaign is no longer suspended as if Obama went back on some promise he never made?

I fully expect it.

[souvlaki]

Edit.... oops. picture turned out waaaay too large.

[Überlibran]

Thanks for posting the screenshot, souvlaki!

Edit: aw darn. :(

[Marx]

UPDATE: JOHN MCCAIN WILL APPEAR AT DEBATE AFTER ALL
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/26/debate.mississippi/index.html

McCain said earlier this week he would not attend the debate if an agreement had not been reached on a $700 billion bailout plan for Wall Street.

The outcome was up in the air Friday as lawmakers scrambled to agree on a plan.

But by midday, McCain's campaign said the Republican presidential nominee believed enough progress had been made for him to travel to Mississippi to participate in the debate, set for 9 p.m. ET at the University of Mississippi campus.

"He is optimistic that there has been significant progress toward a bipartisan agreement now that there is a framework for all parties to be represented in negotiations, including Rep. [Roy] Blunt as a designated negotiator for House Republicans," the campaign said in a statement.

"The McCain campaign is resuming all activities and the senator will travel to the debate this afternoon."

:whatever:

[souvlaki]

Thanks for posting the screenshot, souvlaki!

Edit: aw darn. :(

Well, I was going to... but I didn't want to piss off the mods by posting that gigantic image.

Here is a link straight to the pic if people want to see it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/images/26Sep_Friday_WSJ.JPG

[ShadowBoxing]

Yeah, he's coming. As a matter of fact, his campaign already had ads up (accidentally of course) and he's been declared the WINNAR!! Check it out:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2008/09/mccain_wins_debate.html
Seriously, is McCain retarded? I mean this is downright "short bus special" behavior right here.

[Marx]

Well, I was going to... but I didn't want to piss off the mods by posting that gigantic image.

Here is a link straight to the pic if people want to see it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/images/26Sep_Friday_WSJ.JPG

Does his stupidity have ANY bounds? :huh:

[ShadowBoxing]

UPDATE: JOHN MCCAIN WILL APPEAR AT DEBATE AFTER ALL
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/26/debate.mississippi/index.html



:whatever:
Enough progress = no progress.

[hitmanyr2k]

Well, I was going to... but I didn't want to piss off the mods by posting that gigantic image.

Here is a link straight to the pic if people want to see it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/images/26Sep_Friday_WSJ.JPG

I think this is the dumbest, whiniest, most superficial campaign I've ever seen run for office. When they're not crying about something or pulling political stunts they're making gaffes like these.

[jaguarr]

Well, I was going to... but I didn't want to piss off the mods by posting that gigantic image.

Here is a link straight to the pic if people want to see it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/images/26Sep_Friday_WSJ.JPG

What in the holy blue hell? :huh:

jag

[Marx]

What in the holy blue hell? :huh:

jag

I wondering what else is left to screw up in this campaign?

[ShadowBoxing]

I wondering what else is left to screw up in this campaign?
Well, let's see, does McCain still speak to us in English...

[Marx]

Well, let's see, does McCain still speak to us in English...

After tonight, he may be so riled up that he'll rant in tongues. :oldrazz:

[ShadowBoxing]

After tonight, he may be so riled up that he'll rant in tongues. :oldrazz:
The new McCain/Palin advertisement.
http://www.maniacworld.com/exorcist-soundboard.jpg

[Marx]

^:lmao:

[Lightning Strykez!]

Okay, that debate "Winner" ad is just so juvenile...it doesn't even deserve a click. :whatever:

And as far as John's decision to attend tonight: Well, DUH! Be clear folks, this guy was ALWAYS planning to attend the debate. He was simply playing "attention whore" for the last few days in an effort to somehow take a bite out of the polling data. This whole "I'm Boycotting the Debate" move was 100% unadulterated political posturing and nothing more.

And in my opinion, this was a huge misstep on John's part. It shows he cannot multi-task for s***. :down

[Marx]

Okay, that debate "Winner" ad is just so juvenile...it doesn't even deserve a click. :whatever:

And as far as John's decision to attend tonight: Well, DUH! Be clear folks, this guy was ALWAYS planning to attend the debate. He was simply playing "attention whore" for the last few days in an effort to somehow take a bite out of the polling data. This whole "I'm Boycotting the Debate" move was 100% unadulterated political posturing and nothing more.

And in my opinion, this was a huge misstep on John's part. It shows he cannot multi-task for s***. :down

I'm not entirely convinced that he was planning on attending the debate all along. Especially since he was attempting to have this debate rescheduled in order to BUMP the VP debate.

[Lightning Strykez!]

I'm not entirely convinced that he was planning on attending the debate all along. Especially since he was attempting to have this debate rescheduled in order to BUMP the VP debate.

That's a good point...I forgot about the VP bump attempt. But the reason why I think he always intended to go is because he's going even though the government hasn't worked out jack yet with the bills. He promised he wouldn't attend until everyone had come to a consensus. A consensus has NOT been reached--barely even an outline. Yet he's going to attend. :down:

I think he was ALWAYS going to attend. He only did this to say "Look at my maverickness! I'm putting country first!" It's disgusting pandering IMO, just like his selection of Sarah Palin and everything else he's done so far.

The McCain campaign is one big gimmick now.

[Marx]

HUCKABEE: MCCAIN MADE A HUGE MISTAKE
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/26/mccain-made-huge-mistake-huckabee-says/




:wow:

[lazur]

I'm not entirely convinced that he was planning on attending the debate all along. Especially since he was attempting to have this debate rescheduled in order to BUMP the VP debate.

Oh really? You know for a fact that that was his agenda all along? Did McCain call to consult you before coming to a decision or something?

[The Senator]

Next week, McCain will start running ads declaring himself the winner of the election. :up:

[StrainedEyes]

Oh really? You know for a fact that that was his agenda all along? Did McCain call to consult you before coming to a decision or something?

He wanted to postpone this debate, and move it to the day of the VP debate, causing the VP debate to be moved back. It's pretty obvious.

[lazur]

He wanted to postpone this debate, and move it to the day of the VP debate, causing the VP debate to be moved back. It's pretty obvious.

It's factual that that would have been the result. It's not factual that that was the intent.

[The Senator]

Oh really? You know for a fact that that was his agenda all along? Did McCain call to consult you before coming to a decision or something?

Why do you feel the need to constantly antagonize posters, and take what they say entirely out of context?

Marx DID NOT say that the only reason why McCain wanted to postpone this debate was to bump the VP debate off the schedule.

He implied that he was suspicious that McCain wanted to postpone this debate, and on the same day he called to suspend tonight's debate, he said that the VP debate might have to be postponed at all. The McCain campaign wanted tonight's debate to take place the evening of the VP debate, with the VP debate postponed indefinitely.

[StrainedEyes]

It's factual that that would have been the result. It's not factual that that was the intent.

Why move it to that day then? They could have done it any time.

[kane9321]

He is still going to beat the tar out of her. He'll just have to pull her chair out first.

oh that was nice:grin:

[ShadowBoxing]

It's factual that that would have been the result. It's not factual that that was the intent.
...What, like he didn't know the day he wanted to move it to was the day of the VP debate. Why not move it to monday, as opposed to a week later?

[lazur]

Why move it to that day then? They could have done it any time.

No clue, but to jump to the conclusion that it was intentional on McCain's part without any evidence to back it up?

Besides, McCain said himself he hoped to not have to postpone, and it looks like he didn't have to. He said enough progress has been made in the time he and Obama were there that he feels comfortable leaving long enough to do the debate.

[danoyse]

It's factual that that would have been the result. It's not factual that that was the intent.

It's factual that 10/2 was the date McCain's campaign suggested to be the rescheduled debate, and that Palin's debate be postponed. Seriously...they picked that date specifically? That doesn't seem at all unusual to you?

They should turn the Straight Talk Express into a clown car. :whatever:

[Marx]

Well, I was going to... but I didn't want to piss off the mods by posting that gigantic image.

Here is a link straight to the pic if people want to see it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/images/26Sep_Friday_WSJ.JPG

Next week, McCain will start running ads declaring himself the winner of the election. :up:

Look at Souv's post. An ad suggesting McCain won the debate already leaked on the Washington Times website.

Oh really? You know for a fact that that was his agenda all along? Did McCain call to consult you before coming to a decision or something?

All I have to say to you is READ THE NEWS. WATCH THE NEWS. PAY ATTENTION. When you do any of those three things, you'll know that what I said is the truth. John McCain was going to propose to the Debate Commission that the VP debate should be bumped to allow time for the three presidential debates, since he wasn't going to attend tonight's debate unless the bailout deal had been reached. This isn't some liberal report, this came from an advisor to his campaign and Lindsey Gramm. And guess what Lazur? They're both Republicans. Or do you now consider them traitors to the Republican Party because they are speaking out against a Republican candidate? Grow up man. Learn to look beyond your partisan blinders. You want to know why no one gives you any respect on this site? It's because of things like this.

[The Senator]

Besides, McCain said himself he hoped to not have to postpone, and it looks like he didn't have to. He said enough progress has been made in the time he and Obama were there that he feels comfortable leaving long enough to do the debate.

This post reeks of centrism.

[The Senator]

All I have to say to you is READ THE NEWS. WATCH THE NEWS. PAY ATTENTION. When you do any of those three things, you'll know that what I said is the truth. John McCain was going to propose to the Debate Commission that the VP debate should be bumped to allow time for the three presidential debates, since he wasn't going to attend tonight's debate unless the bailout deal had been reached. This isn't some liberal report, this came from an advisor to his campaign and Lindsey Gramm. And guess what Lazur? They're both Republicans. Or do you now consider them traitors to the Republican Party because they are speaking out against a Republican candidate? Grow up man. Learn to look beyond your partisan blinders.

:up:

[lazur]

It's factual that 10/2 was the date McCain's campaign suggested to be the rescheduled debate, and that Palin's debate be postponed. Seriously...they picked that date specifically? That doesn't seem at all unusual to you?

They should turn the Straight Talk Express into a clown car. :whatever:

Maybe he had other campaign events on the other days? Who knows. I still give the man the benefit of the doubt. You obviously don't. You instead place your trust in a guy ... that nobody really knows.

To each their own...

[ShadowBoxing]

No clue, but to jump to the conclusion that it was intentional on McCain's part without any evidence to back it up?

Besides, McCain said himself he hoped to not have to postpone, and it looks like he didn't have to. He said enough progress has been made in the time he and Obama were there that he feels comfortable leaving long enough to do the debate.
Every news report currently indicates no progress has been made on it. Last report from Congress was that another all nighter would be pulled on the bill.

[Gilpesh]

No clue, but to jump to the conclusion that it was intentional on McCain's part without any evidence to back it up?

You should quit using that word. Or start bringing some of your own.

Besides, McCain said himself he hoped to not have to postpone, and it looks like he didn't have to. He said enough progress has been made in the time he and Obama were there that he feels comfortable leaving long enough to do the debate.

Um. No.

[lazur]

Look at Souv's post. An ad suggesting McCain won the debate already leaked on the Washington Times website.

Yeah, that was a misstep by his campaign. I don't believe it was intentional on McCain's part, but I do believe he needs to tighten the reins on his campaign people.

ll I have to say to you is READ THE NEWS. WATCH THE NEWS. PAY ATTENTION. When you do any of those three things, you'll know that what I said is the truth. John McCain was going to propose to the Debate Commission that the VP debate should be bumped to allow time for the three presidential debates, since he wasn't going to attend tonight's debate unless the bailout deal had been reached. This isn't some liberal report, this came from an advisor to his campaign and Lindsey Gramm. And guess what Lazur? They're both Republicans. Or do you now consider them traitors to the Republican Party because they are speaking out against a Republican candidate? Grow up man. Learn to look beyond your partisan blinders. You want to know why no one gives you any respect on this site? It's because of things like this.

No, you're coming to a conclusion based on speculation. There's nowhere in the news that I've seen (feel free to link if I'm mistaken) that reports McCain intentionally scheduled for the same day as Palin's debate in order to prevent her from debating. If you find me a quote from McCain where he says that, then I'll bite. Until then, it's speculation and non-sense.

[Carcharodon]

Every news report currently indicates no progress has been made on it. Last report from Congress was that another all nighter would be pulled on the bill.Hey, stop using logic! It's making it really hard to give McCain the "benefit of the doubt."

[Gilpesh]

Maybe he had other campaign events on the other days? Who knows.

He could cancel them. Debates > Other campaign events

I still give the man the benefit of the doubt.

NO WAI! :wow::wow::wow::wow::wow::wow:

You obviously don't. You instead place your trust in a guy ... that nobody really knows.

Wow.... attack the other guy, AGAIN. And say something that more describes this brand new McCain that is running for president.

To each their own...

:whatever: That doesn't make you sound smart.

[Marx]

Yeah, that was a misstep by his campaign. I don't believe it was intentional on McCain's part, but I do believe he needs to tighten the reins on his campaign people.



No, you're coming to a conclusion based on speculation. There's nowhere in the news that I've seen (feel free to link if I'm mistaken) that reports McCain intentionally scheduled for the same day as Palin's debate in order to prevent her from debating. If you find me a quote from McCain where he says that, then I'll bite. Until then, it's speculation and non-sense.

Any article that I post won't be good enough for you. You'll just say that it is some liberal news report DESPITE THE FACT THAT THE COMMENTS ARE COMING FROM TWO REPUBLICANS. (One of which IS a McCain campaign advisor.) I'm done with debating you on this. You have no regard for fact or truth. You are so entrenched in partisan politics that you will never see the center of anything no matter how much you claim to the contrary.

[The Senator]

No, you're coming to a conclusion based on speculation. There's nowhere in the news that I've seen (feel free to link if I'm mistaken) that reports McCain intentionally scheduled for the same day as Palin's debate in order to prevent her from debating. If you find me a quote from McCain where he says that, then I'll bite. Until then, it's speculation and non-sense.

Yeah, you're one to talk about speculating and not backing up any claims with evidence, considering you said that Obama wants to destroy the military, raise taxes in an economic crisis, and transform our country into a socialist state. He never said any of those things, yet you hounded him for it.

Or, we can talk about how you keep slamming Chris Dodd for defeating the oh-so-amazing free enterprise bill you keep praising McCain for, claiming that Dodd was chairman when the bill was defeated in Committee... even though Dodd wasn't chairman at the time, it was Republican Richard Shelby [because the Republicans controlled Congress in 2005 and 2006, and therefore it was the Republicans which defeated that bill].

I mean... really, you're not one to talk about having people present facts and evidence in their posts, so I think I speak for everyone here when I ask kindly of you to stop asking us for substantial evidence when you yourself cannot produce it.

[ShadowBoxing]

Maybe he had other campaign events on the other days? Who knows. I still give the man the benefit of the doubt. You obviously don't. You instead place your trust in a guy ... that nobody really knows.

To each their own...
If he suspended his campaign, how would that be possible?

[Marx]

Yeah, you're one to talk about speculating and not backing up any claims with evidence, considering you said that Obama wants to destroy the military, raise taxes in an economic crisis, and transform our country into a socialist state. He never said any of those things, yet you hounded him for it.

Or, we can talk about how you keep slamming Chris Dodd for defeating the oh-so-amazing free enterprise bill you keep praising McCain for, claiming that Dodd was chairman when the bill was defeated in Committee... even though Dodd wasn't chairman at the time, it was Republican Richard Shelby [because the Republicans controlled Congress in 2005 and 2006, and therefore it was the Republicans which defeated that bill].

I mean... really, you're not one to talk about having people present facts and evidence in their posts, so I think I speak for everyone here when I ask kindly of you to stop asking us for substantial evidence when you yourself cannot produce it.

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

[Zen]

Yeah, you're one to talk about speculating and not backing up any claims with evidence, considering you said that Obama wants to destroy the military, raise taxes in an economic crisis, and transform our country into a socialist state. He never said any of those things, yet you hounded him for it.

Or, we can talk about how you keep slamming Chris Dodd for defeating the oh-so-amazing free enterprise bill you keep praising McCain for, claiming that Dodd was chairman when the bill was defeated in Committee... even though Dodd wasn't chairman at the time, it was Republican Richard Shelby [because the Republicans controlled Congress in 2005 and 2006, and therefore it was the Republicans which defeated that bill].

I mean... really, you're not one to talk about having people present facts and evidence in their posts, so I think I speak for everyone here when I ask kindly of you to stop asking us for substantial evidence when you yourself cannot produce it.

Thirded :up: :up:

i have been dealing with the same situation on dodd with my republican friends. everytime i bring up the 2005-2006 congress they shut up for 3 seconds, and then get beligerant again. im chalking it up to the fact that theya re scared ****less right now cause they are all business majors

:(

[Raiden]

Yeah, you're one to talk about speculating and not backing up any claims with evidence, considering you said that Obama wants to destroy the military, raise taxes in an economic crisis, and transform our country into a socialist state. He never said any of those things, yet you hounded him for it.

Or, we can talk about how you keep slamming Chris Dodd for defeating the oh-so-amazing free enterprise bill you keep praising McCain for, claiming that Dodd was chairman when the bill was defeated in Committee... even though Dodd wasn't chairman at the time, it was Republican Richard Shelby [because the Republicans controlled Congress in 2005 and 2006, and therefore it was the Republicans which defeated that bill].

I mean... really, you're not one to talk about having people present facts and evidence in their posts, so I think I speak for everyone here when I ask kindly of you to stop asking us for substantial evidence when you yourself cannot produce it.

Talking reason to Lazur is akin to slamming one's head into a brick wall. You can try until your head bleeds, but it just won't yield.

[The Senator]

Talking reason to Lazur is akin to slamming one's head into a brick wall. You can try until your head bleeds, but it just won't yield.

Well, I'm sort of tired of his constant partisan rants, and how he holds other posters to standards he himself cannot meet. I do not care if he supports John McCain, but for someone who claims he is a centrist, who asks for evidence and facts when he himself cannot produce them, annoys me at an infinite level.

[lazur]

Yeah, you're one to talk about speculating and not backing up any claims with evidence, considering you said that Obama wants to destroy the military, raise taxes in an economic crisis, and transform our country into a socialist state. He never said any of those things, yet you hounded him for it.

The plans that he has for our country are socialist in nature. He doesn't have to say he's driving the country to socialism when he says he's going to raise taxes on small businesses and anyone else making more than 250k a year. He doesn't have to claim socialism when he's in favor of government paid health care. He doesn't have to claim socialism when it's a well-known fact that Democrats are known for their anti-military positioning and he has a video out talking about disarming the world of nukes, when what I'm sure he really means is that America will 'lead the way' toward doing so.

Point being, the guy's been in the public spot light for, what, two years the most? He's changed his position so many times, and sometimes even in the same freaking speech, that no one knows what he stands for. He has no consistent record to look at, and the one he does have shows that he's been a non-participant for 50% of the time.

At least with McCain, we know what we're getting. I don't agree with McCain on everything, but I'm certainly more aligned with McCain than with Obama ideologically.

Or, we can talk about how you keep slamming Chris Dodd for defeating the oh-so-amazing free enterprise bill you keep praising McCain for, claiming that Dodd was chairman when the bill was defeated in Committee... even though Dodd wasn't chairman at the time, it was Republican Richard Shelby [because the Republicans controlled Congress in 2005 and 2006, and therefore it was the Republicans which defeated that bill].

The bill died in the Senate, and Dodd (according to many 'insiders') had a lot to do with it, which makes sense since he did take a huge payout from Fannie/Freddie to his campaign. During 2005, he was the ranking Democrat on the Bank Committee, becoming its chair in 2007. Prior to that, however, he was the Chair of the DNC. And I know you won't read it (and weep), but none-the-less, here's a good article on just what Dodd's role in this Fannie/Freddie mess has been over the years: http://www.courant.com/news/opinion/commentary/hc-commentaryhubbard0914.artsep14,0,5673162.story

Wikipedia also says the same thing, but I can't find a news story about it, though I'm sure one exists somewhere.

I mean... really, you're not one to talk about having people present facts and evidence in their posts, so I think I speak for everyone here when I ask kindly of you to stop asking us for substantial evidence when you yourself cannot produce it.

Heh, how about the fact that Dodd took a 130k payment from Fannie/Freddie for his campaign? I wonder what you liberals would be saying now if McCain had been the one to take a huge payment from Fannie/Freddie instead of Dodd or Obama. It's not like this isn't something that's come up in the past about Republicans taking 'payoffs' and it's not like the liberals on this board didn't ALWAYS make it a big deal. But with Obama and Dodd doing it? Eh, no big deal...

[Marx]

^I'm not quite sure why you chose to quote ME on JMAN's post but...I think you really need to stop.

[kainedamo]

The plans that he has for our country are socialist in nature. He doesn't have to say he's driving the country to socialism when he says he's going to raise taxes on small businesses and anyone else making more than 250k a year. He doesn't have to claim socialism when he's in favor of government paid health care.

Do you really think that France, England, Ireland, and most european countries are socialist states? Are they bad countries?

You have to do better than simply labelling a position socialist.

At least with McCain, we know what we're getting. I don't agree with McCain on everything, but I'm certainly more aligned with McCain than with Obama ideologically.

No, we really don't know what we're getting from McCain. He used to be pro-choice, then he became anti-abortion within a very small space of time. He used to be in the centre, then he pandered to the right wing as much as possible. He used to call out extremist evangelicals, now he's good friends with them.

[ShadowBoxing]

The bill died in the Senate
No it never made it to the floor because it was woefully written and poorly equip to deal with any problem whatsoever. Committees have to be unanimous to kill a bill like that.
and Dodd (according to many 'insiders') had a lot to do with it
Source? Proof?
which makes sense since he did take a huge payout from Fannie/Freddie to his campaign.
That was after the bill had been killed. Nothing to do with it. Next.
During 2005, he was the ranking Democrat on the Bank Committee, becoming its chair in 2007. Prior to that, however, he was the Chair of the DNC. And I know you won't read it (and weep), but none-the-less, here's a good article on just what Dodd's role in this Fannie/Freddie mess has been over the years: http://www.courant.com/news/opinion/commentary/hc-commentaryhubbard0914.artsep14,0,5673162.story
Great, grand, I don't see anywhere in that article anything about the Federal Housing Enterprise Act of 2005. It's also an Op-Ed piece.
Heh, how about the fact that Dodd took a 130k payment from Fannie/Freddie for his campaign? I wonder what you liberals would be saying now if McCain had been the one to take a huge payment from Fannie/Freddie instead of Dodd or Obama. It's not like this isn't something that's come up in the past about Republicans taking 'payoffs' and it's not like the liberals on this board didn't ALWAYS make it a big deal. But with Obama and Dodd doing it? Eh, no big deal...
Unless you can link that 'payout' to it's collapse, you have absolutely nothing. What you're doing here is speculation.

[The Senator]

The plans that he has for our country are socialist in nature. He doesn't have to say he's driving the country to socialism when he says he's going to raise taxes on small businesses and anyone else making more than 250k a year. He doesn't have to claim socialism when he's in favor of government paid health care. He doesn't have to claim socialism when it's a well-known fact that Democrats are known for their anti-military positioning and he has a video out talking about disarming the world of nukes, when what I'm sure he really means is that America will 'lead the way' toward doing so.

Countries such as France and Finland have national healthcare systems, and they are not socialist nations.

Additionally, Democrats are not known for their anti-military positioning. They are known, in modern times, for their emphasis on diplomacy instead of invading nations we cannot afford to invade. And yeah, it's really a bad thing that Obama wants to get rid of nuclear weapons :whatever:


Point being, the guy's been in the public spot light for, what, two years the most? He's changed his position so many times, and sometimes even in the same freaking speech, that no one knows what he stands for. He has no consistent record to look at, and the one he does have shows that he's been a non-participant for 50% of the time.

Yes, and McCain has been in the Senate for 26 years, and he's changed his positions so many times, sometimes in the same freaking speech. Kinda hard to support a candidate who has spent 24 years being a "maverick," then spent the past two years being a blind partisan hack.


At least with McCain, we know what we're getting. I don't agree with McCain on everything, but I'm certainly more aligned with McCain than with Obama ideologically.

I would have agreed with the first sentence eight years ago, but today, I do not believe we know what we're getting with him.

And again, I don't care who you support, but when you go on blind, partisan rants, then claim you are a centrist... that's sort of an oxymoron there.



The bill died in the Senate, and Dodd (according to many 'insiders') had a lot to do with it, which makes sense since he did take a huge payout from Fannie/Freddie to his campaign. During 2005, he was the ranking Democrat on the Bank Committee, becoming its chair in 2007. Prior to that, however, he was the Chair of the DNC. And I know you won't read it (and weep), but none-the-less, here's a good article on just what Dodd's role in this Fannie/Freddie mess has been over the years: http://www.courant.com/news/opinion/commentary/hc-commentaryhubbard0914.artsep14,0,5673162.story

Wikipedia also says the same thing, but I can't find a news story about it, though I'm sure one exists somewhere.



Heh, how about the fact that Dodd took a 130k payment from Fannie/Freddie for his campaign? I wonder what you liberals would be saying now if McCain had been the one to take a huge payment from Fannie/Freddie instead of Dodd or Obama...

I am well aware of Dodd's connections and the payoffs he received, and he disgusts me.

But the fact is, you have spent the past three days blaming Dodd for killing a bill which he had little power over. Ranking member? Yes, he was, but guess what? There were still more Republicans in control of that Committee than Democrats. Had the Republicans aligned themselves with that bill, it could have passed. So it is ridiculous for you to scapegoat the Democrats when in fact the Republicans had more control over that bill's fate.

Additionally, you called Dodd the chairman of the Committee in 2005-2006... when he wasn't.

[Marx]

THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE!

THE STAGE
http://www4.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Despite+Uncertainty+Preparations+Go+First+JHCSXBW0 dSLl.jpg

THE PODIUMS
http://www4.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Despite+Uncertainty+Preparations+Go+First+aCUmPODp WFFl.jpg

[ShadowBoxing]

My friend wants me downtown for his girlfriends birthday at 9pm, I'll be at least an hour late.

[Marx]

My friend wants me downtown for his girlfriends birthday at 9pm, I'll be at least an hour late.

I believe that CNN is showing a full repeat of the debate tonight at midnight. :cwink:

[bunk]

I wonder if there'll be any mysterious bulges on anyone's back...

[ShadowBoxing]

I believe that CNN is showing a full repeat of the debate tonight at midnight. :cwink:They always do...but I'm not gonna be back that early.

[bunk]

THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE!

THE STAGE
http://www4.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Despite+Uncertainty+Preparations+Go+First+JHCSXBW0 dSLl.jpg



McCain found the Lazerus Pit!!

[Carcharodon]

I wonder if there'll be any mysterious bulges on anyone's back...I CAN'T be the only other person who gets this. :woot:

[Matt]

I CAN'T be the only other person who gets this. :woot:

:hehe: I got it. Yet the buldge still did not stop him from coming back at John Kerry with "Ya want some wood!?!"

[rdh007]

A bulge is usually a pretty good indicator that someone has some wood they'd like to give someone else.

[Knives]

Well, I was going to... but I didn't want to piss off the mods by posting that gigantic image.

Here is a link straight to the pic if people want to see it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/images/26Sep_Friday_WSJ.JPG

That is stunning. This isn't even a campaign anymore, its a ****ing parody. Obama seriously needs to hit it out of the park tonight and put this old fool out to pasture already.

[RAMORE]

McCain found the Lazerus Pit!!

HAhahahhahah!!

[souvlaki]

That is stunning. This isn't even a campaign anymore, its a ****ing parody. Obama seriously needs to hit it out of the park tonight and put this old fool out to pasture already.

I'm not counting on it, because I'd be stupid to ignore the fact that Obama is not the most amazing debater in the world, but you have no clue how much I'm hoping for a "Dewey Defeats Truman" moment tonight. I'd love nothing more than for Obama to hit it out of the ballpark tonight and make that ad look even more foolish.

[lazur]

Countries such as France and Finland have national healthcare systems, and they are not socialist nations.

Nations with socialist tendencies then. Pardon me if they are not officially labeled a socialist country even though they exhibit many of the characteristics of socialism.

Additionally, Democrats are not known for their anti-military positioning. They are known, in modern times, for their emphasis on diplomacy instead of invading nations we cannot afford to invade. And yeah, it's really a bad thing that Obama wants to get rid of nuclear weapons :whatever:

BS, it's a major contention between Democrats and Republicans. I was in the military when Clinton was in and chopped our forces down by more than 25%, not to mention closed down more Air Force bases than I could count during his two terms. People couldn't stay in the military even if they wanted to, and many were forced into early retirement.

Democratic presidents are NOT known for being strong on defense, and that is a fact.

Yes, and McCain has been in the Senate for 26 years, and he's changed his positions so many times, sometimes in the same freaking speech. Kinda hard to support a candidate who has spent 24 years being a "maverick," then spent the past two years being a blind partisan hack.

When has McCain changed his position in the same speech?

And if you're referring to his campaign as the only means of measuring the man's character, then I don't know what to say to that. Obama has pulled some pretty cheap shots as well, and yes Obama has also 'lied' from time to time. Still, doesn't seem to bother you much...

I would have agreed with the first sentence eight years ago, but today, I do not believe we know what we're getting with him.

It's the same McCain, but the guy who's fighting for the White House because he knows (just as many do) that if Obama wins, it's the end of this country. Call it paranoia on my part, I don't care. The fact remains that no one knows Obama well enough, and those who would choose to elect someone they do not know, who has no clear record to go on, is asking for whatever they get. Like I said, I'm scoping out other countries in the event McCain loses the election, though I do admit that I believe that it's very unlikely.

And again, I don't care who you support, but when you go on blind, partisan rants, then claim you are a centrist... that's sort of an oxymoron there.

Centrists take positions with those who best reflect their views and ideologies.

Believe me, I have plenty of criticism for McCain, but it's completely unnecessary on a board FULL of very far left liberals who spend all day and night using him as a punching bag...

I am well aware of Dodd's connections and the payoffs he received, and he disgusts me.

Well I'm glad to hear ONE Obama supporter say that...

But the fact is, you have spent the past three days blaming Dodd for killing a bill which he had little power over. Ranking member? Yes, he was, but guess what? There were still more Republicans in control of that Committee than Democrats. Had the Republicans aligned themselves with that bill, it could have passed. So it is ridiculous for you to scapegoat the Democrats when in fact the Republicans had more control over that bill's fate.

Maybe I have, but then again he certainly didn't do himself any favors, either. There may not exist a smoking gun, but it has his finger prints all over it. If it looks like duck, sounds like a duck, and walks like a duck, it's probably a duck.

Additionally, you called Dodd the chairman of the Committee in 2005-2006... when he wasn't.

You're right, and I apologize for the factual error.

[Marx]

POLL: OBAMA HAS HIGHER EXPECTATIONS TO MEET IN DEBATES
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/26/cnn-poll-obama-has-higher-expectations-to-meet-in-debates/

[Marx]

CNN HAS CAUGHT WIND OF MCCAIN'S 'DEBATE WINNER' AD!

MCCAIN CAMP RELEASES AD CLAIMING DEBATE VICTORY
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/26/mccain-camp-releases-ad-claiming-debate-victory/

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/images/09/26/art.mccain.wins.debate.jpg

(Thanks again to Souvlaki for finding it on the Washington Times website!)

[DorkyFresh]

the McCain camp must be in la-la land.

[souvlaki]

Who do you think is best suited to handle the economy?

http://images.dailykos.com/images/user/426/20090926_5.gif

lol... guess this little stunt didn't have the effect McCain was hoping for.

[Marx]

Who do you think is best suited to handle the economy?

http://images.dailykos.com/images/user/426/20090926_5.gif

lol... guess this little stunt didn't have the effect McCain was hoping for.

I don't think so either. He may very well show up to the debate tonight with gunpowder on his face! :hehe:

[souvlaki]

I don't think so either. He may very well show up to the debate tonight with gunpowder on his face! :hehe:

Probably due to this:

http://members.aol.com/greggwrite/art/shotinfoot.gif

[Marx]

^:lmao:

[Excel]

the McCain camp must be in la-la land.

Hes been on vaca there ever since eh thought Palin was a good idea :hehe:

[bunk]

Probably due to this:

http://members.aol.com/greggwrite/art/shotinfoot.gif

Wow, and he doesn't even have to look. That takes practice.

[terry78]

I like the little shoe and flesh particle effects that follow the bullet.

[The Senator]

Nations with socialist tendencies then. Pardon me if they are not officially labeled a socialist country even though they exhibit many of the characteristics of socialism.

Yes, and these countries have higher standards of living and the government actually takes care of its people. That sounds downright awful :o


BS, it's a major contention between Democrats and Republicans. I was in the military when Clinton was in and chopped our forces down by more than 25%, not to mention closed down more Air Force bases than I could count during his two terms. People couldn't stay in the military even if they wanted to, and many were forced into early retirement.

Democratic presidents are NOT known for being strong on defense, and that is a fact.

Which is why Roosevelt, Truman, Kennedy and Johnson are remembered for being some of our most hawkish presidents...



When has McCain changed his position in the same speech?

When has Obama changed his position in the same speech? :huh:


And if you're referring to his campaign as the only means of measuring the man's character, then I don't know what to say to that. Obama has pulled some pretty cheap shots as well, and yes Obama has also 'lied' from time to time. Still, doesn't seem to bother you much...

No, that's not what I'm referring to. I'm referring to McCain's political positioning on issues such as domestic oil drilling, alternative energies, and illegal immigration, among other things.


It's the same McCain, but the guy who's fighting for the White House because he knows (just as many do) that if Obama wins, it's the end of this country.

More fear-laced garbage from one of our more "non-biased" posters, I see.


Call it paranoia on my part, I don't care. The fact remains that no one knows Obama well enough, and those who would choose to elect someone they do not know, who has no clear record to go on, is asking for whatever they get. Like I said, I'm scoping out other countries in the event McCain loses the election, though I do admit that I believe that it's very unlikely.

So, what exactly is it that you are implying? Obama is some sort of secret Muslim terrorist who will bow down to Middle Eastern nations which have made threats against us? Obama wants to see the United States fall and will do everything he can to ensure it happens? At this point, you're just throwing bull **** at the wall and hoping that the flowery perfume you've sprayed the room with will cover up the rancid stench.

You honestly think McCain will make us safer? Yeah, it's really going to make us safer if he continues to provoke countries which have it out for us by threatening military action against them. Yeah, the Iranians are really going to stop making provocative statements against Israel if we send our troops over there to topple their government. Yep, totally, I can totally see Mahmoud Ahmadinejad shaking in his seat, begging the United States for forgiveness while throwing his country's nuclear program out the window and instead opening a power plant run on love and mutual understanding.

I can totally see Vladimir Putin quaking, too, like he's totally not going to place his finger above the NUKE U.S. button if we decide to build a missile shield directly outside of Russia. He's totally going to give into the United States because a 72-year-old former POW is threatening military action against his country.

Your naivete is deafening.


Centrists take positions with those who best reflect their views and ideologies.

Believe me, I have plenty of criticism for McCain, but it's completely unnecessary on a board FULL of very far left liberals who spend all day and night using him as a punching bag...

Yet, you expect those same liberals to show some of leniency towards McCain. I consider that to be a double-standard.


Well I'm glad to hear ONE Obama supporter say that...

I bet that other Obama supporters agree with me, but the problem is your partisan rants and baseless attacks on Chris Dodd being the one who killed that bill have given them a reason to attack YOUR ARGUMENTS over Dodd, not Dodd himself.



Maybe I have, but then again he certainly didn't do himself any favors, either. There may not exist a smoking gun, but it has his finger prints all over it. If it looks like duck, sounds like a duck, and walks like a duck, it's probably a duck.

Usually, if it walks like an Alabaman, talks like an Alabaman, looks like an Alabaman, is chairman of the Banking Committee for years and years in the United States Senate...

http://www.dvorak.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/richard_shelby.jpg

It must be Richard Shelby! Bill killer extraordinaire!



This is starting to get old. :csad:

[Carcharodon]

Like I said, I'm scoping out other countries in the event McCain loses the election, though I do admit that I believe that it's very unlikely.Go to France. Awesome health-care system. :up:

[Comicfilmer]

Like I said, I'm scoping out other countries in the event McCain loses the election, though I do admit that I believe that it's very unlikely.

Then do us all a favor and get going. Every election we hear from ignorant people like you who say they'll move to Canada or elsewhere if their candidate loses. I love my country too much to leave it behind just because someone I don't agree with on everything gets to wear the executive hat for four years.

Ugh...please - PLEASE leave. Do it now. And don't come back until you can appreciate this country, no matter who's in power.

[Raiden]

Then do us all a favor and get going. Every election we hear from ignorant people like you who say they'll move to Canada or elsewhere if their candidate loses. I love my country too much to leave it behind just because someone I don't agree with on everything gets to wear the executive hat for four years.

Ugh...please - PLEASE leave. Do it now. And don't come back until you can appreciate this country, no matter who's in power.

I think if there is any president who gave us the best reason to leave the country, it is W. Bush and his 8 years of manhandling the office of the presidency. I dislike McCain tremendously, but even he will be a step up from the Bush Administration if he were elected.

[Carcharodon]

I dislike McCain tremendously, but even he will be a step up from the Bush Administration if he were elected.I'm not half as worried about McCain as I am about the event of Palin having to take up the job. That terrifies me FAR more than Bush's cluster-**** of a presidency.

[The Senator]

Then do us all a favor and get going. Every election we hear from ignorant people like you who say they'll move to Canada or elsewhere if their candidate loses. I love my country too much to leave it behind just because someone I don't agree with on everything gets to wear the executive hat for four years.

Ugh...please - PLEASE leave. Do it now. And don't come back until you can appreciate this country, no matter who's in power.

For someone who is voting for a candidate which puts "country first," lazur obviously isn't practicing that core value here. Sort of sad, really, that someone who defended this country and has claimed that he loves it so much is actually thinking about leaving. Even if McCain wins the election, I wouldn't leave the country. Not yet, anyway, and only if a good enough opportunity opened up for me overseas.

Oh well, if he doesn't want to continue to show love for this country... so be it. That is his choice to make.

[Carcharodon]

With any luck I might get the opportunity to leave the country anyway...but not for political reasons. I'd love to live in another country for a while, especially to study and do research.

Australia is catching my eye.

[Carcharodon]

Stupid double-posts.

[BlackLantern]

With any luck I might get the opportunity to leave the country anyway...but not for political reasons. I'd love to live in another country for a while, especially to study and do research.

Australia is catching my eye.

I've visited there twice while in the service...great place...I'm thinking Belize

[ShadowBoxing]

Like I said, I'm scoping out other countries in the event McCain loses the election, though I do admit that I believe that it's very unlikely.

I congratulate you on your 17.2% chance of victory.

[BlackLantern]

if I was going to live in another country...I'd go with Belize....they speak English...the currency exchange rate is nice

[danoyse]

I'm going to London next Saturday...but I'll be coming back.

[DeGenerate10]

What time and channel is the debate?

[danoyse]

What time and channel is the debate?

9pm eastern time. The major news networks, PBS, and I'm fairly certain all of the regular networks will be showing it as well.

[Franklin Richards]

Check the dot coms. CNN and MSNBC for the 'puter.


For the TV go to CSPAN. You usually don't have to listen to pundits there.


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[ShadowBoxing]

So what's everyone's predictions for the debates. As much as I like Obama I doubt he'll outperform McCain on the topic of National Security, especially with the issue of the surge.

[The Senator]

Apparently McCain has already won, so there's no need for predictions :up:

[ShadowBoxing]

Ah yes, I forgot. Yay for being right!

[sasquatchs]

It's not just the debate McCain's won

http://www.theonion.com/content/video/diebold_accidentally_leaks

[Carcharodon]

LOL! I love that one of the interviewees' name was Thomas Lazur. :woot:

[ShadowBoxing]

It's not just the debate McCain's won

http://www.theonion.com/content/video/diebold_accidentally_leaks
Hahaha

[Honey Vibe]

Alright, minutes away.

[Hole Shot]

HI! My quick take.

I'm not going to get too much into debate discussion, well post debate discussion because everyone has already made up there mind who won here.:woot:

But in regards to the last two days, I think they both f***'d up but I give a slight edge to Obama in how it all was handled.

- Obama was absolutely right, we want to hear from the candidates now more than ever. McCain's postpone high road move was dumb.

- Obama was right not to act on McCain's beckon and call to D.C. but should have gone so begrudgingly. His biggest weakness is in his actual policy experience and that was golden opportunity for him to show his leadership role during the crisis and sitting at the table with everybody.

He ended up doing it anyway, he said he agreed with the House Republicans concerns of the Paulson plan and he never backed out of the debate. So he comes out of McCain's little challenge from yesterday victorious.

[sinewave]

It's the same McCain, but the guy who's fighting for the White House because he knows (just as many do) that if Obama wins, it's the end of this country. Call it paranoia on my part, I don't care. The fact remains that no one knows Obama well enough, and those who would choose to elect someone they do not know, who has no clear record to go on, is asking for whatever they get. Like I said, I'm scoping out other countries in the event McCain loses the election, though I do admit that I believe that it's very unlikely.

buddy boy, your beloved republicans, including mccain, have had 8 years to prove their worth to this country and they've failed miserably. no matter what you think of obama, there's no way he can do a worse job than this administration and it's cohorts in the senate and house have done to america

[Gilpesh]

Alright... Obama. Stop saying 'annnnnnnnnd'.

[Visionary]

buddy boy, your beloved republicans, including mccain, have had 8 years to prove their worth to this country and they've failed miserably. no matter what you think of obama, there's no way he can do a worse job than this administration and it's cohorts in the senate and house have done to americaWhat's the matter with you, you don't like unjust wars? Me and my best bud Bush loves them.

Sincerely,
John McCain

[sinewave]

we should all take a drink anytime either candidate says "fundamental".

[Nirvana]

Currently listening to the Debate...it's pretty interesting so far.

[Golgo-13]

"..i don't know where John is getting his numbers from....."

:up:

[sinewave]

What's the matter with you, you don't like unjust wars?

yeah, call me crazy. maybe we should have all these ceo's who've received millions of dollars worth of severance packages fund the war in iraq. you know their kids probably aren't fighting in it, so they might as well sacrifice something for this country, instead of raping it.

[Nirvana]

"walkin' the walk and talkin' the talk". :dry:

[kane9321]

"walkin' the walk and talkin' the talk". :dry:

woooooooooooo

[Cmill216]

This is more entertaining than Monday's Heroes premiere. :up:

[BMM]

McCain's smug chuckles creep me out.

[#1Batmanfan]

this is more entertaining than monday's heroes premiere. :up:

burrrrn!!!

[Nirvana]

I have to agree. :up:

[Gilpesh]

McCain's smug chuckles creep me out.

Yeah. And it's a little off putting.

[Schlosser85]

McCain started confident but he seems like Obama is getting his back up.

[Gilpesh]

WHaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?

Everything but defense spending should be frozen?

Moron.

[SuperT]

A FREEZE?!?!? AND ONLY SPEND MONEY ON DEFENSE!??!

HOLY ****!! Are you kidding me!?! :wow:

[kane9321]

^^^^ yep

[BlackLantern]

I think with the advancements made in the tech.....Nuclear power is worth investing in

[Gilpesh]

Nuclear power :up:

But how can the government invest in it.... when spending is frozen except defense?

[Schlosser85]

WHaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?

Everything but defense spending should be frozen?

Moron.


Yea, that one kind of made me go.....huh?

To be fair, did anyone catch Obama mentioning the time he's spent in Congress? I think he meant the Senate :cwink:

[Visionary]

McCain started confident but he seems like Obama is getting his back up.Like kitty cats do, when they have a hair ball? :hehe:

[sinewave]

yeah, let's invest in off-shore drilling so we can put even more tax money in big oil's pockets while we **** over the environment even more in the attempt to lower gas prices by $.25 ten years from now. thanks, john!

[Addendum]

I think with the advancements made in the tech.....Nuclear power is worth investing in

It does seem like a viable option. The only thing is what to do with the waste

[Gilpesh]

Yea, that one kind of made me go.....huh?

To be fair, did anyone catch Obama mentioning the time he's spent in Congress? I think he meant the Senate :cwink:

Senate is a part of Congress? :whatever:

[Cmill216]

"orgy of spending"

Nice. :funny:

[Nirvana]

"Orgy of Spending", I thought that was a pretty strong way of putting it.

[kane9321]

winning in iraq....what ..huh

[sinewave]

mccain: "maverick, maverick, MAVERICK!!!!"

[SuperT]

I think I got all hot and bothered when Obama said "orgy." lol

[kainedamo]

Obama called McCain "Jim" and "Tom".

God damnit, Obama.

[BlackLantern]

no one is really winning here....both seem very mediocre tonight

[Nirvana]

"The next President will have to address how we leave"

What the hell? :wow:

[Visionary]

This is just another bad reality show.

[kane9321]

how we leave...the hell?

[Gilpesh]

"The next President will have to address how we leave"

What the hell? :wow:

Means McCain doesn't want to talk about how he wanted the Iraq war so bad.

[kane9321]

get him obama

[Honey Vibe]

Currently listening to the Debate...it's pretty interesting so far.
I think it's a slogan-ridden snooze-fest.

[kainedamo]

A FREEZE?!?!? AND ONLY SPEND MONEY ON DEFENSE!??!

HOLY ****!! Are you kidding me!?! :wow:

Yeah that was horrifying when McCain suggested that.

Just think of all the good programs out there that help people. Children, teenagers, the homeless, etc etc etc. Most of which I am sure are under funded. And McCain wants to freeze spending on all of it.

So I guess that means not only do teens get sex education, they ain't getting abstinance education programs either.

[Gilpesh]

McCain brings up a sob story about the troops telling him to "Win one for the gipper"...

[Honey Vibe]

no one is really winning here....both seem very mediocre tonight
Agreed :down
Mediocrity is in McCain's favor.

[Gilpesh]

McCain isn't prepared to threaten?


Spain. Remember Spain?

[Visionary]

Yeah that was horrifying when McCain suggested that.

Just think of all the good programs out there that help people. Children, teenagers, the homeless, etc etc etc. Most of which I am sure are under funded. And McCain wants to freeze spending on all of it.

So I guess that means not only do teens get sex education, they ain't getting abstinance education programs either.
What's this about abstinance, someone needs to tell it to my daughter, while mommy is out working pretending to stop a bridge to no where, she's throwing her dress over her head?!

Sincerely,
Sarah Palin

[Addendum]

Did the US seek the approval of Afghanistan before dropping bombs?

[Honey Vibe]

Good shot, red two.
McCain just said he wouldn't outright attack Pakistan, whereas Obama just arrogantly stated this foreign country would be invaded under his presidency.

[Gilpesh]

How does winning in Iraq happen?

When we defeat the evil, does that bring all the dead troops back to life?

[souvlaki]

"...and songs about bombing Iran"

Damn.

[Honey Vibe]

...Aaand, an excellent back hand by Obama, citing low credibility when a statement like that comes from McCain's corner, a man who sings about bombing Iran to the tune of the Beach Boys.

[kainedamo]

So far I'd say niether man has the advantage.

[Gilpesh]

Reagan!

Damn McCain... everyone take your heroin shots. I mean by this time, Reagan's name is heroin shots and not vodka.

[Honey Vibe]

Somalia? Gulf war? Bosnia?

Wh..where are we on the McCain camp?

[Handsome Rob]

How does winning in Iraq happen?

When we defeat the evil, does that bring all the dead troops back to life?

Well, there was no mass resurrection after we defeated the Axis powers. We won WW II though, didn't we? We have VE and VJ day, and the "V" does stand for "Victory."

[danoyse]

Parts of this debate really sound like a Judge Judy episode...

[Handsome Rob]

So far I'd say niether man has the advantage.

I think I'm agreeing with you for once, kainedamo. :up:

[Honey Vibe]

So far I'd say niether man has the advantage.
McCain came equipped with his personality, so I would say he has the advantage. ...I don't think it will win him the presidency though.

[Gilpesh]

Well, there was no mass resurrection after we defeated the Axis powers. We won WW II though, didn't we? We have VE and VJ day, and the "V" does stand for "Victory."

Iraq =/= WW 2

:whatever:

[kane9321]

obama got a bracelet too..that was awesome

[Handsome Rob]

Iraq =/= WW 2

:whatever:

Did I say they were equal conflicts? :huh:

[Honey Vibe]

...I think Obama mistakenly believes going after those who attacked the United States fires off Republican brainwaves... ...According to CNN, it does not.

[Gilpesh]

Did I say they were equal conflicts? :huh:

You did. Because you think you can compare them. :whatever:

[Handsome Rob]

You did. Because you think you can compare them. :whatever:

What? You're the one who equated troops rising from the dead to being a sign of winning/defeating evil. I merely pointed out where we had won but had not seen reanimation of our dead. Any further equation of the two conflicts is all in your head, man.

[Honey Vibe]

And John McCain struts his arrogance and ignorance, on rapport with Iran...

[Nirvana]

LoL, Obama said Star War. :hehe:

[Gilpesh]

What? You're the one who equated troops rising from the dead to being a sign of winning/defeating evil. I merely pointed out where we had won but had not seen reanimation of our dead. Any further equation of the two conflicts is all in your head, man.

Um... not really. Why the heck would you go to WW 2 where there were clear enemies that did surrender and would not attack us anymore which meant victory, when in Iraq victory would mean...

Ah.... errr.... what does victory in Iraq mean? All terrorists stop? We stop Saddam? (whoops, already did that...)

[kainedamo]

Oooooh, McCain's getting edgier. Repeating himself wth your guy, leader of Iran, he seemed a bit angry. Will McCain lose his temper?? Oooooh!

[Knives]

HAHA! Invite them for Tea. Obama is owning this response.

[kane9321]

owned by obama

[redfirebird2008]

McCain's a dolt. He just laughed when Obama said Iran's president isn't the most powerful person in that country. Kinda like he doesn't know the difference between Sunnis and Shi'ites, I wouldn't be surprised if old John doesn't know about the Ayatollah.

[Knives]

Oh he brought it out!!!! SPAIN!!!

[BlackLantern]

it's still a good point...the leader of Iran is a guy who wants to remove Israel from the map, and doesn't believe that homosexuals exist in Iran....

[souvlaki]

HAHA! Invite them for Tea. Obama is owning this response.

I was thinking the same thing. Obama is doing great job with this question.

[Gilpesh]

Obama brought up Spain. heh

[redfirebird2008]

it's still a good point...the leader of Iran is a guy who wants to remove Israel from the map, and doesn't believe that homosexuals exist in Iran....

He's not the leader of that country. He is a puppet.

[DeGenerate10]

Listening to McCain reminds me of George Bush. I really don't want another George W. in the White house.

[Gilpesh]

Reagan again!

Heroin everyone.

[Gilpesh]

Damn you double post!

[kane9321]

obama..getting pissed..loving this

[Honey Vibe]

Come on, Barack. As the Joker said, all McCain needs, is a little... push...

[Knives]

And McCain just blew his top

[hippie_hunter]

I never thought I'd see the day where McCain is more coherent in speaking than Obama :dry:

[Gilpesh]

Wow... openly mocking Obama... that's not quite good.

[BlackLantern]

He's not the leader of that country. He is a puppet.

well I'm sure its a shared view by the Powers that be in Iran....

[redfirebird2008]

McCain pretty much confirmed exactly what Obama nailed him on earlier, that he wants to bomb Iran without even using diplomacy. Same Bush policy, different guy running the show.

[Knives]

I never thought I'd see the day where McCain is more coherent in speaking than Obama :dry:

In terms of stuttering yes, in terms of policy, so far he isn;t.

[BlackLantern]

I never thought I'd see the day where McCain is more coherent in speaking than Obama :dry:

McCain is a lot more at ease speaking off the cuff

[Knives]

McCain pretty much confirmed exactly what Obama nailed him on earlier, that he wants to bomb Iran without even using diplomacy. Same Bush policy, different guy running the show.

Exactly. Scary.

[redfirebird2008]

"Russian against Georgia."

Dolt.

[The Chris]

I thought McCain was about to say the F bomb there.

[Visionary]

Ah.... errr.... what does victory in Iraq mean? All terrorists stop? We stop Saddam? (whoops, already did that...) There will never be a victory in Iraq, I wish people would just admit that, and move on. The very moment we leave Iraq, be it a year or ten years, it will be right back in the same state it was before in a year or two. There's evil people in Iraq just waiting to emerge from hiding amongst the common folks, waiting for the U.S. to leave. Unless of course we stay there forever, victory can't really be won.

[kane9321]

Kgb baby

[Knives]

its stunning that McCain doesnt seem to understand that talking directly to the Iranians does not necessarily mean Ahmadinejad? His foriegn policy is identical to Bush. How can anybody wat this to continue?

[hippie_hunter]

In terms of stuttering yes, in terms of policy, so far he isn;t.

I was referring to the stuttering, not the ideas he presents. That he presents clearly. Obama's stuttering is just...wow.

[redfirebird2008]

In terms of stuttering yes, in terms of policy, so far he isn;t.

He's rambling and taking everything off-topic as much as possible. Clinton name drop randomly. Reagan name drop randomly. Drop in the old story about the bracelet, etc. Straight up pandering.

[danoyse]

McCain is a lot more at ease speaking off the cuff

He's been debating at this level a lot longer than Obama has, so he has the advantage there.

[Knives]

Did Putin rear his head into our airspace John?

[Honey Vibe]

I never thought I'd see the day where McCain is more coherent in speaking than Obama :dry:
In a mild-mannered, HMO insurance salesman kind of way...

[Arc-Light]

I was referring to the stuttering, not the ideas he presents. That he presents clearly. Obama's stuttering is just...wow.

?...so......is it really that negative..

[BlackLantern]

all most people will see is that McCain spoke clearly and with confidence (regardless of what he said) and Obama stuttered like a 14 yo speaking in front of class....

[Movies205]

I like how none of the candidates bring up the fact that South Ossettia wanted to annex into Russia.

[Knives]

He's been debating at this level a lot longer than Obama has, so he has the advantage there.

I agree. Obama is still too new at this and it limites his debating skills. This is why on the surface, Hillary always almost trounced him. In terms of issues, Obama is usually on the correct side. It's what is making this debate almost a total draw. Obama owns McCain on the issues. McCain has no idea what the hell he is talking about. But he can say that nonsense in a more clear sense then Obama can his logic.

But it certainely never stopped anybody from voting Bush, who talks like he is utterly brain dead.

[BlackLantern]

?...so......is it really that negative..

Damn right it is....people expect the President to speak clearly, succinctly, with no hesitation....Obama is not doing that tonight

[hippie_hunter]

Did Putin rear his head into our airspace John?
I can understand complaining about McCain and Iran, but seriously, McCain is right about Russia. Just like our aggression is not tolerable in the Middle East, Russian aggression is just as unacceptable in their neighboring countries that want to develop a pro-Western policy. McCain is right, Putin is nothing more than a KGB thug.

[redfirebird2008]

all most people will see is that McCain spoke clearly and with confidence (regardless of what he said) and Obama stuttered like a 14 yo speaking in front of class....

I disagree. They've both been stuttering. Obama started far stronger than McCain, who was a blubbering idiot for the first half of the debate. And he's been an idiot for this part of the debate too, showing how much of a hothead he is. And if you watch the splitscreen, he squirms a ****load any time Obama nails him on something. Both have been putting their heads down too much, but I noticed that Obama actually does look up and watch McCain while he's speaking. McCain hasn't made eye contact with Obama the entire time, INCLUDING the frickin' hand shake.