The Presidential Debates

[Marx]

Heh. It's a combination of that and ppl looking at political affliation rather than her. She looks like an all American soccer mom. She's cute kinda. A lot of ppl only see political lines anyway, so a large portion of the republican base will stick up for her and deem her the winner no matter what. A lot of ppl won't even watch it tho so any mistakes probably won't hurt her rep too badly outside of those who watched.

I wouldn't be so sure about that.

[BMM]

Yeah, the ratings will be interesting.

[Fading]

I wouldn't be so sure about that.

By a lot I mean most Americans. I'm sure it'll score high ratings, but most ppl could probably care less. I mean if they refuse to look past political lines and learn the actual issues I doubt they'll watch the debate. Even if 1/4 of American watched it, which would be phenomenol ratings wise, that's still 3/4 that didn't. A few more past that may read about it in the papers, or hear from a co-worker, but I doubt it'd be enough to sway them.

I live in a pretty avg town. A lot of the ppl I talk to, or overhear are pretty stubborn when it comes to politics. You could tell them x killed someone and they'll still say, "Well atleast he's better than that democrat/republican x".

Hell, just looking at youtube videos of Palin's speeches and mistakes, and ppl still defended her in the comments sections. Saying ppl were just jealous, etc.

[Marx]

PALIN-BIDEN VP DEBATE CALLED 'MUST SEE TV'
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/sep/29/palin-biden-vp-debate-called-must-see-tv/

[Marx]

By a lot I mean most Americans. I'm sure it'll score high ratings, but most ppl could probably care less. I mean if they refuse to look past political lines and learn the actual issues I doubt they'll watch the debate. Even if 1/4 of American watched it, which would be phenomenol ratings wise, that's still 3/4 that didn't. A few more past that may read about it in the papers, or hear from a co-worker, but I doubt it'd be enough to sway them.

I live in a pretty avg town. A lot of the ppl I talk to, or overhear are pretty stubborn when it comes to politics. You could tell them x killed someone and they'll still say, "Well atleast he's better than that democrat/republican x".

Hell, just looking at youtube videos of Palin's speeches and mistakes, and ppl still defended her in the comments sections. Saying ppl were just jealous, etc.

Blind partisans will not decide this election. I believe that independent voters will be paying close attention to ALL of the debates. We have people right here on the HYPE that say their decision will come from the answers that the candidates give in the debates.

[Hobgoblin]

"Millions will watch, and the campaign should let Palin be Palin - a reformer who will shake up Washington and the old-boy network," Mr. Reed said. "Biden will be on the defense from the opening and needs to not lecture or talk down to Palin."

Is he serious? Is he really serious?

[Marx]

Is he serious? Is he really serious?

The part about 'letting Palin be Palin' I would hope is a joke.

I do agree with him in saying that Biden should not talk down to or lecture Sarah Palin. Biden is going to have to be careful so he doesn't come off the way McCain did toward Obama in the first debate.

[Fading]

Blind partisans will not decide this election. I believe that independent voters will be paying close attention to ALL of the debates. We have people right here on the HYPE that say their decision will come from the answers that the candidates give in the debates.

You're probably right, I think I just feel jaded with politics in general. I'm probably being overly critical. It just gets old seeing bill after bill, candidate after candidate, that are clearly wrong get the pass based on political affliation. It's true ppl are probably more upset this election than they were last, a lots happened in 4, let alone 8 years. I think I just refuse to set my expectations too high for ppl paying more attention now when they haven't in the past.

[Hobgoblin]

The part about 'letting Palin be Palin' I would hope is a joke.

I do agree with him in saying that Biden should not talk down to or lecture Sarah Palin. Biden is going to have to be careful so he doesn't come off the way McCain did toward Obama in the first debate.

True, Biden cant be seen as a bully, but come on. He's going to be on the defensive from the very beginning? Really?

And how much reform could she really push through DC? Its a very different place from Juneau.

[Marx]

True, Biden cant be seen as a bully, but come on. He's going to be on the defensive from the very beginning? Really?

And how much reform could she really push through DC? Its a very different place from Juneau.

I don't think he'll be on the defensive either. I just think that he will have to be careful. McCain looked like a complete a****** with the way he treated Obama.

[redfirebird2008]

The part about 'letting Palin be Palin' I would hope is a joke.

I do agree with him in saying that Biden should not talk down to or lecture Sarah Palin. Biden is going to have to be careful so he doesn't come off the way McCain did toward Obama in the first debate.

Joe Biden has always had more class than McCain. McCain's always had a rather combative personality. McCain's campaign is just itching at the chance to call Biden a sexist so he will have to be careful, but not in the obvious department of looking his opponent in the eye (McCain's mistake). Biden will probably spend most of the time talking about McCain. He has said he really doesn't know anything about Palin so he never comments on her.

[Superman]

PALIN-BIDEN VP DEBATE CALLED 'MUST SEE TV'
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/sep/29/palin-biden-vp-debate-called-must-see-tv/I wouldn't miss this one for the world.:hehe:

[souvlaki]

Roger Ebert gives his review of the debate:

Guess who's not coming to dinner

BY ROGER EBERT / September 28, 2008


I do not like you, John McCain. My feeling has nothing to do with issues. It has to do with common courtesy. During the debate, you refused to look Barack Obama in the eye. Indeed, you refused to look at him at all. Even when the two of you shook hands at the start, you used your eyes only to locate his hand, and then gazed past him as you shook it.

Obama is my guy. If you are rude to him, you are rude to me. If you came to dinner at my house and refused to look at or speak with one of my guests, that would be bad manners and I would be offended. Same thing if I went to your house. During the debate, you were America's guest.

What was your problem? Do you hold this man in such contempt that you cannot bear to gaze upon him? Will you not even speak to him directly?
Do you think he doesn't have the right to be running for President?
Were you angry because after you said you wouldn't attend the debate, he said a President should be able to concern himself with two things at the same time? He was right. The proof is, you were there. Were you angry with him because he called your bluff?

During the debate, Jim Lehrer repeatedly called upon both candidates to speak directly to each other. Obama looked at you. He addressed you as "John," which as a fellow senator is his privilege. His body language was open. You stared straight ahead, or at Lehrer, or into space. Your jaw was clinched. You had a tight little smile, or a grimace, or a little shake of your head.

I had to do two things at once while watching the debate. I had to listen to what was being said. And I had to process your rigid and contemptuous behavior. If you were at a wedding and the father of the groom refused to look at or speak to the bride, how would that make you feel? Especially if you were the father of the bride?

You made a TV commercial showing the moments Obama agreed with you.
Everybody knows he did. Did his agreement show honesty, or weakness?
It is significant that you said it proved he was not ready to lead.
What is the better leadership quality: (1) Willingness to listen to your opponent, and keep an open mind? (2) Rigidly ignoring him? Which of the two of you better demonstrated the bipartisan spirit you say you represent? Was there anything he said that you agreed with? Could you have brought yourself to say so?

I'm not the only one who noticed your odd, hostile behavior. Just about everybody did. I'm sure many of your supporters must have sensed the tension. Before the debate, pundits were wondering if you might explode in a display of your famous temper. I think we saw that happen, all right, but it was an implosion. I have instructed my wife to exclude you from any future dinner parties.

http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080928/COMMENTARY/809289997/-1/RSS

[jaguarr]

Joe Biden has always had more class than McCain. McCain's always had a rather combative personality. McCain's campaign is just itching at the chance to call Biden a sexist so he will have to be careful, but not in the obvious department of looking his opponent in the eye (McCain's mistake). Biden will probably spend most of the time talking about McCain. He has said he really doesn't know anything about Palin so he never comments on her.

He's said repeatedly that he can only assume that she holds the same policies and beliefs as John, who he and Obama have repeatedly tied to Bush. I think he's going to have a grand time tying her to McCain and the both of them to Bush. As long as he doesn't get too aggressive and doesn't put his own foot in his mouth, still managing to show his knowledge and expertise off without sounding arrogant or obnoxious but not talking TOO much, he should be fine.

jag

[Gilpesh]

Roger Ebert gives his review of the debate:



http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080928/COMMENTARY/809289997/-1/RSS

Damn... you know your debating style sucks when Ebert gives you a thumbs down.

[Matt]

Damn... you know your debating style sucks when Ebert gives you a thumbs down.

Yet I give a total thumbs up to your avatar. :up:

Frank Reynolds should be President. He has foreign experience from his time in 'Nam.

[Gilpesh]

Yet I give a total thumbs up to your avatar. :up:

Frank Reynolds should be President. He has foreign experience from his time in 'Nam.

And he is a maverick, going against his own country when they drew first blood.... :cmad:

[Marx]

OBAMA-BIDEN CAMP HYPE PALIN'S DEBATING SKILLS
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/29/obama-biden-camp-hype-palin%e2%80%99s-debating-skills/

[Matt]

And he is a maverick, going against his own country when they drew first blood.... :cmad:

:up:

And don't forget his extensive experience in the field of economics. He's run many-a-sweat shops.

[Gilpesh]

:up:

And don't forget his extensive experience in the field of economics. He's run many-a-sweat shops.

He doesn't even need someone to torture people for him... HE ALREADY KNOWS HOW! :wow:

[Matt]

Now thats the kind of man I want for President. And I'm with your signature too! Green Man for VP!

[Marx]

BORGER: MCCAIN'S BOLD PALIN MOVE BECOMES CRISIS OF CAUTION
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/30/borger.palin/index.html

[Hobgoblin]

BORGER: MCCAIN'S BOLD PALIN MOVE BECOMES CRISIS OF CAUTION
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/30/borger.palin/index.html

I'm not sure that Palin having more confidence would help anything. Being uninformed but confident means you are still uninformed.

[souvlaki]

I'm not sure that Palin having more confidence would help anything. Being uninformed but confident means you are still uninformed.

Being uninformed but confident has probably caused some of the biggest verbal blunders and gaffes in history, so it should make for an interesting debate. :yay:

[Marx]

VP HOPEFULS IN DEBATE PREP MODE
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/29/vp.debate/index.html

[Marx]

CNN POLL OF POLLS: FIRST DEBATE 'CHANGED NOTHING'
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/30/cnn-poll-of-polls-debate-changed-nothing/

[Marx]

BIDEN'S DEBATE STRATEGY: GO EASY ON PALIN
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/14097.html





(This is a very wise move! He doesn't want to come off like McCain did.http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif)

[luke1234]

BIDEN'S DEBATE STRATEGY: GO EASY ON PALIN
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/14097.html







(This is a very wise move! He doesn't want to come off like McCain did.http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif)

very wise move indeed, he can easily be seen as a bully

[DorkyFresh]

yeah...it's not worth the risk to shoot her down. he just needs to state facts and let her shoot herself in the foot.

[hitmanyr2k]

CNN POLL OF POLLS: FIRST DEBATE 'CHANGED NOTHING'
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/30/cnn-poll-of-polls-debate-changed-nothing/


Yeah, Gallup predicted the debates would do nothing for the polls based on history.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/110674/Presidential-Debates-Rarely-GameChangers.aspx

[sinewave]

i hope the gwen ifill gives palin plenty of time to hang herself with nonsensical, rambling answers like couric did.

[Fading]

If they're smart they'll drill into Palin that she needs to actually answer the question being presented, and that she needs to stay on topic. I'd also recommend she go aggressive to get Biden off balance which would make him go aggressive in return, and then she back off so he comes off as the aggressor. If she can atleast answer somewhat coherently and Biden come off as overly aggressive towards a woman, then I see the "who won" polls being split.

However Biden really just needs to keep his cool. Unless they practically change how Palin's brain works, Biden should own her on most issues and come off as more intelligent. In fact he should follow Obama's example from his debate, but come off a bit stronger, atleast IMO.

I didn't watch the Presidential debate live, watched it on youtube, but I plan on watching this. Not trying to be mean, but part of me is hoping for a train wreck with Palin, and part of me also realizes that they have had a week to cram info into Palin's head and she may surprise us.

[Marx]

If they're smart they'll drill into Palin that she needs to actually answer the question being presented, and that she needs to stay on topic. I'd also recommend she go aggressive to get Biden off balance which would make him go aggressive in return, and then she back off so he comes off as the aggressor. If she can atleast answer somewhat coherently and Biden come off as overly aggressive towards a woman, then I see the "who won" polls being split.

However Biden really just needs to keep his cool. Unless they practically change how Palin's brain works, Biden should own her on most issues and come off as more intelligent. In fact he should follow Obama's example from his debate, but come off a bit stronger, atleast IMO.

I didn't watch the Presidential debate live, watched it on youtube, but I plan on watching this. Not trying to be mean, but part of me is hoping for a train wreck with Palin, and part of me also realizes that they have had a week to cram info into Palin's head and she may surprise us.

But how many of us have had to cram for an exam only to have the results not turn out the way we wanted?

[kainedamo]

We're setting ourselves up for disappointment, you know.

For one thing, maybe, just maybe, Palin's poor performance in her interviews is a red herring to set expectations low.

For another thing, supposedly she was a perfectly capable debater when she ran for governor. All of a sudden she's not?

Thirdly, she's cramming like a mother ****, you can bet on that.

[Fading]

But how many of us have had to cram for an exam only to have the results not turn out the way we wanted?

True. I'm just trying not to lower my expectations too much. From what I've seen of her I would expect her to completely botch the debate. However I also recognize the fact that her own campaign and party has to see this, so they are doing everything in their power to correct that this week. So, while I should expect a horrible performance that shows she's unfit to potentially lead the country, let alone a bake sale, if I raise expectations to atleast semi-alright then I'm not shocked if she actually does well. On the other hand if it's a train wreck then it's better than what I set myself up to expect and it becomes twice as hilarious.

At the very least tho I hope for one rambling in there when asked about the finacial state of the country leading into a tale about her hunting moose.

[Fading]

We're setting ourselves up for disappointment, you know.

For one thing, maybe, just maybe, Palin's poor performance in her interviews is a red herring to set expectations low.

For another thing, supposedly she was a perfectly capable debater when she ran for governor. All of a sudden she's not?

Thirdly, she's cramming like a mother ****, you can bet on that.

I've heard she's a capable debater as well. The only thing tho is that was on a much smaller scale dealing with local issues of her home state. The other day she asked if Pakistan was in Pakistan (or something close to that). So while she may have been a great debater at home, I'm not expecting her to own the debate about world issues. Her style and tone may be up to snuff, but I question her knowledge on the issues she's debating.

[jaguarr]

If they're smart they'll drill into Palin that she needs to actually answer the question being presented, and that she needs to stay on topic. I'd also recommend she go aggressive to get Biden off balance which would make him go aggressive in return, and then she back off so he comes off as the aggressor. If she can atleast answer somewhat coherently and Biden come off as overly aggressive towards a woman, then I see the "who won" polls being split.

However Biden really just needs to keep his cool. Unless they practically change how Palin's brain works, Biden should own her on most issues and come off as more intelligent. In fact he should follow Obama's example from his debate, but come off a bit stronger, atleast IMO.

I didn't watch the Presidential debate live, watched it on youtube, but I plan on watching this. Not trying to be mean, but part of me is hoping for a train wreck with Palin, and part of me also realizes that they have had a week to cram info into Palin's head and she may surprise us.

I think Biden's going to be pretty well prepared for Palin to come out swinging, trying to get him knocked off center. I think he's got a game plan and is going to stick to it and dictate the tone and pace of the debates in the process. She'll look out of place, petty and uninformed up against that. He'll also attack the living crap out of McCain and Biden undoubtedly knows McCain and his record better than Palin does.

jag

[Marx]

We're setting ourselves up for disappointment, you know.

For one thing, maybe, just maybe, Palin's poor performance in her interviews is a red herring to set expectations low.

For another thing, supposedly she was a perfectly capable debater when she ran for governor. All of a sudden she's not?

Thirdly, she's cramming like a mother ****, you can bet on that.

She's great on issues within Alaaska. Outside Alaaska...not so much.

[jaguarr]

True. I'm just trying not to lower my expectations too much. From what I've seen of her I would expect her to completely botch the debate. However I also recognize the fact that her own campaign and party has to see this, so they are doing everything in their power to correct that this week. So, while I should expect a horrible performance that shows she's unfit to potentially lead the country, let alone a bake sale, if I raise expectations to atleast semi-alright then I'm not shocked if she actually does well. On the other hand if it's a train wreck then it's better than what I set myself up to expect and it becomes twice as hilarious.

At the very least tho I hope for one rambling in there when asked about the finacial state of the country leading into a tale about her hunting moose.

I suspect she's going to be wearing a tiny earpiece so they can feed answers to her. I'd think that would wind up confusing her even more and distract her into making more mistakes against Biden.

jag

[Marx]

I suspect she's going to be wearing a tiny earpiece so they can feed answers to her. I'd think that would wind up confusing her even more and distract her into making more mistakes against Biden.

jag

In all seriousness...it might not hurt to look for an earpiece during their debate.

[souvlaki]

I suspect she's going to be wearing a tiny earpiece so they can feed answers to her. I'd think that would wind up confusing her even more and distract her into making more mistakes against Biden.

jag

Knowing McCain/Palin's luck the last week she'd probably get caught during the debate using the earpiece.

[jaguarr]

In all seriousness...it might not hurt to look for an earpiece during their debate.

I agree. Both candidates should be subjected to a search just as the go out on stage and someone should be assigned to each candidate to watch them closely to ensure they don't sneak one in at some point in the debate. This should be kept fair and in this age of technology, it's very, very easy to cheat. Measures should be taken to counteract that.

jag

[Fading]

Knowing McCain/Palin's luck the last week she'd probably get caught during the debate using the earpiece.

Lol, now I have the image of Palin suddenly tapping her ear mid debate and saying, "What? I can't hear you", and the person asking the questions saying, "Oh I'm sorry, that question was actually for Mr. Biden" and Palin saying, "What? No, I meant this" and pulls the ear piece out. I'd also expect her supporters to say it was a hearing aid afterwards :).

[Shifty]

'Colbert Report' Writers Present: 8 Possible 'October Surprises'
Don't be shocked if any of these events happen before Election Day; the ''Colbert'' team saw it coming, and you read it here first...

8 Possible Election-Year 'October Surprises'

1. Sarah Palin wins debate using knowledge from Snapple Cap Facts.

2. Bill Clinton endorses Obama.

3. In an effort to appear younger and more hip, John McCain releases a sex ''talkie.''

4. Oak leaves suspend color-turning campaign until financial crisis is resolved. Urge maple leaves to do the same.

5. Sarah Palin turns out to have an embarrassing Ivy League-educated, immensely qualified sibling.

6. Lindsay Lohan goes back to dudes.

7. Osama bin Laden walks into Wasilla, Alaska police station to turn self in. Says, ''I would have been here sooner if you had a decent bridge.''

8. October admits it’s actually January. Election starts all over again.

[danoyse]

She's great on issues within Alaaska. Outside Alaaska...not so much.

That's just it. I've heard how "fierce" she's been on those debates, but those are about Alaskan issues. Clearly, she's shown in the past week that she knows next to nothing about broader political issues. It's not going to be the same kind of debate for her.

I'm betting they're just loading her down with zingers and soundbites. :whatever:

[Fading]

LOL, whole thing is funny, but loved 1&3, especially 1. I can just see her asked a question, pulling out a Snapple and saying she's thirsty, taking a huge gulp and glancing at the cap. Something like -

"Interviewer - Ms. Palin, what do you think of the Bailout Plan's failure?"
"Palin - What do I think? I....just a second, a little parched...*gulp*...Um....did you know Snapple has 32 different types of tea leaves all of which has their own distinct flavor?"

[DorkyFresh]

LOL, whole thing is funny, but loved 1&3, especially 1. I can just see her asked a question, pulling out a Snapple and saying she's thirsty, taking a huge gulp and glancing at the cap. Something like -

"Interviewer - Ms. Palin, what do you think of the Bailout Plan's failure?"
"Palin - What do I think? I....just a second, a little parched...*gulp*...Um....did you know Snapple has 32 different types of tea leaves all of which has their own distinct flavor?"

haha....actually, if Tina Fey does a Palin impression from the VP debates i think they should break out the Mentos.

[jaguarr]

Lol, now I have the image of Palin suddenly tapping her ear mid debate and saying, "What? I can't hear you", and the person asking the questions saying, "Oh I'm sorry, that question was actually for Mr. Biden" and Palin saying, "What? No, I meant this" and pulls the ear piece out. I'd also expect her supporters to say it was a hearing aid afterwards :).

Actually, the stage mic's causing painful feedback in the earpiece in mid-sentence while she's trying to answer a question while the guys feeding her answers try to guide her through it, making her double over and scream and then slap her ear and finally yank the earpiece out and throw it on the ground would be a pretty cool treat to see.

jag

[danoyse]

Loved the Colbert list--that issue of EW also had a list of questions for the debates:

"Senator McCain, do you still think the economy is fundamentally sound? And can you lend me cab fare?"

"Senator Obama, got any hot sex tips for kindergarteners?"

"Governor Palin, would you please stop field dressing Charlie Gibson?"

"Senator Biden, please discuss the resurgence of Taliban militias in Afganistan's Bajaur region; Governor Palin, please spell 'region.'"

"Senator Obama, can you finally admit you were wrong about the surge? Senator McCain, can you finally admit you were wrong about the Battle of Hastings?"

"Senator Obama, as a Chicagoan, how do you explain your relationship known killer, deep dish pizza?"

"Senator Biden, would you care to stop talking? The debate ended three hours ago."

"Senator Gravel, how did you get in here?"

[redfirebird2008]

In all seriousness...it might not hurt to look for an earpiece during their debate.

If she has her hair down covering her ears, I would not be a bit surprised if there's an earpiece being used.

[Fading]

Actually, the stage mic's causing painful feedback in the earpiece in mid-sentence while she's trying to answer a question while the guys feeding her answers try to guide her through it, making her double over and scream and then slap her ear and finally yank the earpiece out and throw it on the ground would be a pretty cool treat to see.

jag

Lol.

[Marx]

DEBATE OFFERS PALIN, BIDEN HIGH RISKS, BIG REWARDS
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081001/ap_on_el_pr/vice_presidential_debate

[Marx]

PALIN REPEATS AGE SWIPE AT BIDEN
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/30/couric-asks-palin-how-she_n_130642.html





(You know...everyday it's something. Now she is trying to justify her 'joke' about Biden's age as the country needs 'change over experience'. Doesn't she even realize who is at the top of her own ticket??? :whatever:)

[Knives]

PALIN REPEATS AGE SWIPE AT BIDEN
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/30/couric-asks-palin-how-she_n_130642.html





(You know...everyday it's something. Now she is trying to justify her 'joke' about Biden's age as the country needs change over experience. Doesn't she even realize who is at the top of her own ticket??? :whatever:)

So the country needs change over experience.....OH HEY SHE JUST ENDORSED OBAMA! Palin, my dear, your not so bad after all!:woot:

[redfirebird2008]

Yeah right, spinning it like that wasn't an attack. Load of BS.

[Marx]

So the country needs change over experience.....OH HEY SHE JUST ENDORSED OBAMA! Palin, my dear, your not so bad after all!:woot:

I'm going to be very curious to see if she uses the 'change over experience' line at the debate thursday night.

[DorkyFresh]

Yeah right, spinning it like that wasn't an attack. Load of BS.

foreal...if this were the age of print she probably could get away with it, but this is the digital age where every little thing you do in front of a camera is forever recorded. it's pretty clear by the tone of her voice she meant that comment as a dig on his age.

it seems this woman is a walking gaffe machine.

[redfirebird2008]

foreal...if this were the age of print she probably could get away with it, but this is the digital age where every little thing you do in front of a camera is forever recorded. it's pretty clear by the tone of her voice she meant that comment as a dig on his age.

it seems this woman is a walking gaffe machine.

Cindy McCain (an old person in her own right) was standing right behind her and busted out laughing. Palin had a snarky smile on her face when she said it.

[Fading]

That's the first time I've heard of her saying that...change before experience? Lol...this is...gotta be a joke? Her saying that right? Does she realize she's running with McCain or did she get confused and think she was Obama's VP? McCain and his base attack Obama for inexperience, and now she's attacking Obama's running mate for too much? 'Can't have your cake and eat it too' comes to mind.

What's saddens me is there are ppl buying right into this. That there are ppl, right now, setting there hearing McCain say you need his experience and change is bad, and Palin saying change is more important than experience, and that it makes perfect sense to them. /head explodes!!!

[The Senator]

You know what I find pretty ironic about all of this? Palin has the audacity to slam Biden's age, yet John McCain will be the oldest person ever elected to the United States presidency for his first term.

Plus, there have been at least five Vice Presidents who were older than Biden when they were elected to office. Sort of silly to imply that he's too old.

[Marx]

You know what I find pretty ironic about all of this? Palin has the audacity to slam Biden's age, yet John McCain will be the oldest person ever elected to the United States presidency for his first term.

Plus, there have been at least five Vice Presidents who were older than Biden when they were elected to office. Sort of silly to imply that he's too old.

It's ridiculous to even suggest, considering that McCain is even older. I'm convinced she's detoxing from a lack of mooseburger! There's just no other reason for this idiotic behavior.

[Fading]

You know what I find pretty ironic about all of this? Palin has the audacity to slam Biden's age, yet John McCain will be the oldest person ever elected to the United States presidency for his first term.

Plus, there have been at least five Vice Presidents who were older than Biden when they were elected to office. Sort of silly to imply that he's too old.

It's even worse in the McCain/Palin case because it's reverse. If McCain passes away from natural causes then Palin takes over. McCain is the one that needs to be in good enough health to run the country. In the Obama/Biden case, IF anything happened to Biden then Obama is still in charge. I hope none of them gets sick, or age affects any of their performances much, but it's just so hypocritical of Palin to slam Biden when she's supporting an even older man running for an even higher office.

[SuBe]

VP Debate Moderator Pens Pro-Obama Book

WASHINGTON: Gwen Ifill, who is moderating Thursday's vice-presidential debate, is releasing a book on Barack Obama and other young black politicians who are "forging a bold new path to political power."


FOXNews.com
Wednesday, October 01, 2008
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Questions are being raised about PBS anchor Gwen Ifill's objectivity after news surfaced that she is releasing a new book promoting Barack Obama and other black politicians who have benefited from the civil rights struggle.
Ifill is moderating Thursday night's vice-presidential debate between Joe Biden and Sarah Palin. Her book, "The Breakthrough," is due to be released about the same time the next president takes the oath of office.
In her book, Ifill contends that the black political structure of the civil rights movement has cleared the way for post-racial politicians to ascend to new heights..
Now some are wondering whether Ifill can be fair and balanced, and whether she should be the moderator of Thursday's 9 p.m. ET debate.
FOX News political analyst Michelle Malkin argued in a post on National Review that Ifill is "so far in the tank for the Democratic presidential candidate, her oxygen delivery line is running."
[URL="http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NDFhMWUxZTZmMmE5MzkzYWVhMTU5NDYyNWRhNTQyM2M="]Click here to read Malkin's entire post. (http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/01/vp-debate-moderator-pens-pro-obama-book/#)

[StrainedEyes]

Every millisecond of this never ending Couric interview, is a disaster.

[danoyse]

VP Debate Moderator Pens Pro-Obama Book

WASHINGTON: Gwen Ifill, who is moderating Thursday's vice-presidential debate, is releasing a book on Barack Obama and other young black politicians who are "forging a bold new path to political power."


FOXNews.com
Wednesday, October 01, 2008
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Questions are being raised about PBS anchor Gwen Ifill's objectivity after news surfaced that she is releasing a new book promoting Barack Obama and other black politicians who have benefited from the civil rights struggle.
Ifill is moderating Thursday night's vice-presidential debate between Joe Biden and Sarah Palin. Her book, "The Breakthrough," is due to be released about the same time the next president takes the oath of office.
In her book, Ifill contends that the black political structure of the civil rights movement has cleared the way for post-racial politicians to ascend to new heights..
Now some are wondering whether Ifill can be fair and balanced, and whether she should be the moderator of Thursday's 9 p.m. ET debate.
FOX News political analyst Michelle Malkin argued in a post on National Review that Ifill is "so far in the tank for the Democratic presidential candidate, her oxygen delivery line is running."
[URL="http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NDFhMWUxZTZmMmE5MzkzYWVhMTU5NDYyNWRhNTQyM2M="]Click here to read Malkin's entire post. (http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/01/vp-debate-moderator-pens-pro-obama-book/#)



Oh, so if Palin screws up on Thursday it will be because of the moderator. I get it now. :whatever:

This one has been making the rounds too. Wonder if Fox is reporting it?

http://mediamatters.org/countyfair/200809300005

MoveOn calls for apology from Brokaw
On Sunday's Meet the Press, NBC's Tom Brokaw allowed McCain strategist Steve Schmidt to falsely claim that John McCain had called for Don Rumsfeld to be fired. That's an old lie that the McCain campaign had abandoned long ago -- but Brokaw let Schmidt get away with bringing it back.

Even worse, Brokaw ended the segment by announcing -- "in fairness to everybody here" -- that the "latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll" found that John McCain "continues" to lead Barack Obama on the question of who is "best-equipped to be commander in chief."

Yesterday, Nicole Belle at Crooks and Liars pointed out that the numbers Brokaw read did not, in fact, appear in the "latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll."

Now MoveOn says they contacted NBC -- and "it turns out Brokaw was referring to a poll taken weeks ago--right after the Republican convention and well before Friday's big national security debate. And in each of NBC's last two polls, Americans chose Obama over McCain."

MoveOn thinks Brokaw should apologize.

That's a good first step. He might also want to figure out a way to reassure the public that he'll do a better -- and more fair -- job when he moderates the October 7 presidential debate.

He probably won't spend much time doing that, though -- his days are apparently pretty full acting as NBC's liaison to the McCain campaign. In that role, Brokaw works to assure the McCain camp that "Mr. McCain could still get a fair shake from NBC News."

After Brokaw's performance on Sunday, NBC should be scrambling to assure the Obama campaign of the same thing.

[Marx]

VP Debate Moderator Pens Pro-Obama Book

WASHINGTON: Gwen Ifill, who is moderating Thursday's vice-presidential debate, is releasing a book on Barack Obama and other young black politicians who are "forging a bold new path to political power."


FOXNews.com
Wednesday, October 01, 2008


Questions are being raised about PBS anchor Gwen Ifill's objectivity after news surfaced that she is releasing a new book promoting Barack Obama and other black politicians who have benefited from the civil rights struggle.
Ifill is moderating Thursday night's vice-presidential debate between Joe Biden and Sarah Palin. Her book, "The Breakthrough," is due to be released about the same time the next president takes the oath of office.
In her book, Ifill contends that the black political structure of the civil rights movement has cleared the way for post-racial politicians to ascend to new heights..
Now some are wondering whether Ifill can be fair and balanced, and whether she should be the moderator of Thursday's 9 p.m. ET debate.
FOX News political analyst Michelle Malkin argued in a post on National Review that Ifill is "so far in the tank for the Democratic presidential candidate, her oxygen delivery line is running."
Click here to read Malkin's entire post. (http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NDFhMWUxZTZmMmE5MzkzYWVhMTU5NDYyNWRhNTQyM2M=)

So if Sarah Palin screws up in the debate (as is the case with pretty much everything involving her thus far) IT'S SOMEONE ELSE'S FAULT. Give me a break. :whatever:

[StrainedEyes]

What exactly are they afraid the moderator will do? Ask a question that both candidates should be able to answer? Gasp.

[Raiden]

So if Sarah Palin screws up in the debate (as is the case with pretty much everything involving her thus far) IT'S SOMEONE ELSE'S FAULT. Give me a break. :whatever:

I think they are already figuring out the spin they will have when Palin loses the debate.

[Marx]

I think they are already figuring out the spin they will have when Palin loses the debate.

Just one time would I like for her to take responsibility for her lack of intelligence on anything that isn't within the borders of Alaaska. Just one d*** time!

If she had come out and said, 'you know what, I'm not as familiar with that as I would like to be', I would probably feel a little differently than I do now. But she hasn't said that. She continues to fudge her way through everything...much like a kid would fudge their way through a term paper that they have no clue about.

[Marx]

ON SMALL STAGE, PALIN SCORED BIG DEBATE WINS
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14158.html





(In matters dealing with Alaaska, she's intelligent. Outside Alaaska, not so much. :whatever:)

[jaguarr]

ON SMALL STAGE, PALIN SCORED BIG DEBATE WINS
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14158.html





(In matters dealing with Alaaska, she's intelligent. Outside Alaaska, not so much. :whatever:)

She also didn't have the scrutiny of the national media in Alaska, dissecting her every comment word by word and calling her out for babbling nonsense like she has in her recent interviews. It's different this time around. B.S. won't get you very far. I found something interesting in this article, though:

Against that experienced opposition, Palin proved herself to be a comfortable and confident debater, not exactly deeply versed in the issues but unusually adept at dodging controversy and quick to take advantage of opponents' missteps. Not one to throw an unnecessary punch, Palin took a patient approach, waiting for her rivals to expose their weak points - and then striking fast.

So, we know from her performances thus far (and they are performances, much in the same way the monkey who can ride the bike at the circus has been rehearsed to the point that it can perform on cue) that she's been coached to take a lot of jabs and shots and try to throw zingers into the mix even when it's uncalled for or unnecessary. That seems to be a bit of a swing away from her typical style as noted above and I have to wonder if that might trip her up. Also, given how unknowledgeable she is on matters of national and international importance, just how well will she really be able to capitalize on any mistakes Biden might make? Would she even know a weak spot with him if she saw it? Granted, Biden's a gaffe machine (though I think he's being coached pretty heavily through that...this is probably going to be the toughest debate of his life perception wise and he has to play it just perfectly), but if Palin just doesn't know enough to call him on it then she won't be able to (or worse, she'll try to call him out on things that he's absolutely correct about and she'll look even dumber). I can see from the comments about her previous debates that she likes to bait her opponents and try to piss them off, so Biden's going to have to watch that. I think he can play that game just as potently, though, so the Barracuda better be leary of the Shark. The other difference for Palin is that this debate is mono-a-mono. There aren't three other people in the debate to play off of one another like she was able to in Alaska. It's just her and Joe and all the attention will be on the two of them; she won't be able to sit back and let her opponents beat eachother up and then jump in at opportune moments to take a shot or two and make them all look stupid for doing so in comparison with herself. And the article also points out that she didn't have to really prove her knowledge base in the Alaskan debates, but just not screw up so her image of competence was upheld. Going into this, she's convinced everyone she's an idiot with her moronic television interviews and comments and so she's got a huge task ahead of her to prove to people that she's competent and understands and is knowledgeable about all of these relevant topics (and I suspect she'll trip over her own lips trying to do it). Biden's the one who really needs to just keep up his image of competency and not screw up going into this.

jag

[Marx]

MCCAIN CAMPAIGN RELEASES DEBATE CAMP PICTURE

The McCain campaign released a photo of Sarah Palin preparing for her presidential debate Thursday night at John McCain's Sedona, Arizona ranch.
"The serenity and beauty of this setting has contributed to what can be characterized as a relaxed environment," the McCain campaign said.
Pictured opposite Governor Palin is Randy Scheunemann, a senior policy adviser to the campaign.

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/images/10/01/gall.debateprep.cnn.jpg

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/01/debate-camp/

[bunk]

Sooo... Palin plans on directly addressing Biden when that isn't really the format of the debate, while McCain purposely didn't address Obama when he was well within his right to...

makes sense to me.

[The Senator]

MCCAIN CAMPAIGN RELEASES DEBATE CAMP PICTURE

The McCain campaign released a photo of Sarah Palin preparing for her presidential debate Thursday night at John McCain's Sedona, Arizona ranch.
"The serenity and beauty of this setting has contributed to what can be characterized as a relaxed environment," the McCain campaign said.
Pictured opposite Governor Palin is Randy Scheunemann, a senior policy adviser to the campaign.

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/images/10/01/gall.debateprep.cnn.jpg

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/01/debate-camp/

She reminds me of a college student trying to cram for a final on a subject she knows nothing about. She thinks that standing at a podium by a pretty pond is going to prepare her... but come tomorrow night, she won't know what hit her.

This is going to be one of the most embarrassing moments ever broadcast on national television.

[Raiden]

She reminds me of a college student trying to cram for a final on a subject she knows nothing about. She thinks that standing at a podium by a pretty pond is going to prepare her... but come tomorrow night, she won't know what hit her.

This is going to be one of the most embarrassing moments ever broadcast on national television.

It's like a student who skipped all her classes, only to try to cram for the midterm exam by reading cliff notes and other materials on a subject she has no clue about. She might be able to memorize all those notes she read the night before, but if you ask her to explain her thoughts she'd draw a blank.

[Lightning Strykez!]

Poor thing...she looks like a little kid behind that podium. So cutesy with that baseball cap on and all. :up:

*bursts into uncontrollable laughter*

:lmao:

[souvlaki]

I love the attitude from the McCain camp the last few days... play up the expectations. Compare her to Reagan and Clinton. Go on and on about her amazing debate skills. They are basically following Biden's plan of attack, downplaying his own debating skills while complimenting Palin's.

[Marx]

Here we go...CNN has picked up on the newest scapegoat for a potential Palin trainwreck. :whatever:

CONTROVERSY SURROUNDS VP DEBATE MODERATOR
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/01/controversy-surrounds-vp-debate-moderator/

[The Senator]

Here we go...CNN has picked up on the newest scapegoat for a potential Palin trainwreck. :whatever:

CONTROVERSY SURROUNDS VP DEBATE MODERATOR
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/01/controversy-surrounds-vp-debate-moderator/

Here's the thing, though: If Palin is a great debater, she should be able to counter Gwen's apparent biases. She should be able to strike back, and make her points regardless of who the moderator is.

Especially since she's been at Debate Camp all week.

[Marx]

Here's the thing, though: If Palin is a great debater, she should be able to counter Gwen's apparent biases. She should be able to strike back, and make her points regardless of who the moderator is.

Especially since she's been at Debate Camp all week.

Key words, my friend. Key words. :cwink:

[bunk]

Well it looks like McCain already said himself he was sure she would be professional. If he had any control over his party, that would be the last word on the subject.

[Marx]

Well it looks like McCain already said himself he was sure she would be professional. If he had any control over his party, that would be the last word on the subject.

That's his pre-debate stand. If Palin's debate performance becomes her latest trainwreck on the national stage, he will lay blame at Ifill's feet. :whatever:

It's along the same lines of claiming the success for the bailout bill...before it failed.

[souvlaki]

Here we go...CNN has picked up on the newest scapegoat for a potential Palin trainwreck. :whatever:

CONTROVERSY SURROUNDS VP DEBATE MODERATOR
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/01/controversy-surrounds-vp-debate-moderator/

Eh... it doesn't bother me, but Obama would probably be smart to have his campaign attempt to switch moderators for the debate so people don't whine and complain.

[Marx]

Eh... it doesn't bother me, but Obama would probably be smart to have his campaign attempt to switch moderators for the debate so people don't whine and complain.

Isn't Ifill's book about race and politics? Writing about the relationship between the two is not a declaration of support for the Obama campaign.

[The Senator]

Eh... it doesn't bother me, but Obama would probably be smart to have his campaign attempt to switch moderators for the debate so people don't whine and complain.

If there was a week until the debate, I would agree with this. But I don't think its possible now, which is a shame, since the Weep-ublicans will spend all of Friday crying about how biased Gwen Ifill was instead of claiming responsibility for what could be Palin's ignorance.

You know, like we saw the other day, when those three Weep-ublicans whined and cried about how mean :csad: Nancy Pelosi was in her speech, and because she huwt their wittle feewings, they voted against the bailout.

Like how they've whined and cried about the big, bad elitist media :cmad: being sexist against poor Sarah Palin.

Like how Katie Couric was sooooo mean when she asked Sarah Palin to answer those oh-so-tough questions.

Oh well, it's not like it won't be anything out of the ordinary.

[Marx]

MORE ON GWEN IFILL'S BOOK: THE BREAKTHROUGH

In THE BREAKTHROUGH, veteran journalist Gwen Ifill surveys the American political landscape, shedding new light on the impact of Barack Obama’s stunning presidential campaign and introducing the emerging young African American politicians forging a bold new path to political power.

Ifill argues that the Black political structure formed during the Civil Rights movement is giving way to a generation of men and women who are the direct beneficiaries of the struggles of the 1960s. She offers incisive, detailed profiles of such prominent leaders as Newark Mayor Cory Booker, Massachusetts Governor Deval Patrick, and U.S. Congressman Artur Davis of Alabama, and also covers up-and-coming figures from across the nation. Drawing on interviews with power brokers like Senator Obama, former Secretary of State Colin Powell, Vernon Jordan, the Reverend Jesse Jackson, and many others, as well as her own razor-sharp observations and analysis of such issues as generational conflict and the "black enough" conundrum, Ifill shows why this is a pivotal moment in American history.

THE BREAKTHROUGH is a remarkable look at contemporary politics and an essential foundation for understanding the future of American democracy.



Amazon.com Product Description
http://www.amazon.com/Breakthrough-Politics-Race-Age-Obama/dp/038552501X

[souvlaki]

Isn't Ifill's book about race and politics? Writing about the relationship between the two is not a declaration of support for the Obama campaign.

It doesn't matter. She's a part of the biased msm. That's all Republicans will see, so no matter how badly Palin does on Thursday, it's all the biased media's fault. She can forget her own name on Thursday and people will say it's due to Ifill's "gotcha questions".

[souvlaki]

The other thing that sucks about this is Ifill may be hesitant to actually ask Palin any hardball questions now out of fear of be biased. I just love how this gets brought up the day before the debate. It's not like it was a big secret. This could have been brought up weeks ago.

[jaguarr]

Well it looks like McCain already said himself he was sure she would be professional. If he had any control over his party, that would be the last word on the subject.

After witnessing McCain's idea of behaving professionally in a debate setting, that doesn't really set the bar very high for Palin.

jag

[rdh007]

She reminds me of a college student trying to cram for a final on a subject she knows nothing about. She thinks that standing at a podium by a pretty pond is going to prepare her... but come tomorrow night, she won't know what hit her.

This is going to be one of the most embarrassing moments ever broadcast on national television.

She's too charming for it to be that embarrassing. It's the one thing she's got that Quayle lacked. The most embarrassing moment now and quite possibly forever:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-7gpgXNWYI

She'll come off as "aw-shucks" and Biden will say something to piss off everyone who wasn't voting for him any way and at the end of it, nothing will change. Just like the last debate.

[Raiden]

I hope she will be replaced, so the Republicans won't use her as the reason why Palin performed poorly at the debate (which they most certainly will do).

[rdh007]

Of course Ifill's biased. She's black and Obama's black. They all eat watermelon, fried chicken, steal cars and vote for Democrats.
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee144/rdh007/Alan_Keyes.jpg

Ummmmm, errrrrrr, wait a minute?

Fried chicken is now what I'm having for dinner. Mmmmmmmmmm. Also, I shouldn't have to post this, but in the interest of keeping peace:

The above post was satirical and intended to be humorous. No animals were harmed in the posting of this post.:

[danoyse]

If there was a week until the debate, I would agree with this. But I don't think its possible now, which is a shame, since the Weep-ublicans will spend all of Friday crying about how biased Gwen Ifill was instead of claiming responsibility for what could be Palin's ignorance.

You know, like we saw the other day, when those three Weep-ublicans whined and cried about how mean :csad: Nancy Pelosi was in her speech, and because she huwt their wittle feewings, they voted against the bailout.

Like how they've whined and cried about the big, bad elitist media :cmad: being sexist against poor Sarah Palin.

Like how Katie Couric was sooooo mean when she asked Sarah Palin to answer those oh-so-tough questions.

Oh well, it's not like it won't be anything out of the ordinary.


I am so willing to bet that McCain will make some sort of attempt to keep Palin out of the debate until they get another moderator.

Haven't they known she was going to be the moderator of this debate for months now, and that she was writing this book?

[jaguarr]

MORE ON GWEN IFILL'S BOOK: THE BREAKTHROUGH

In THE BREAKTHROUGH, veteran journalist Gwen Ifill surveys the American political landscape, shedding new light on the impact of Barack Obama’s stunning presidential campaign and introducing the emerging young African American politicians forging a bold new path to political power.

Ifill argues that the Black political structure formed during the Civil Rights movement is giving way to a generation of men and women who are the direct beneficiaries of the struggles of the 1960s. She offers incisive, detailed profiles of such prominent leaders as Newark Mayor Cory Booker, Massachusetts Governor Deval Patrick, and U.S. Congressman Artur Davis of Alabama, and also covers up-and-coming figures from across the nation. Drawing on interviews with power brokers like Senator Obama, former Secretary of State Colin Powell, Vernon Jordan, the Reverend Jesse Jackson, and many others, as well as her own razor-sharp observations and analysis of such issues as generational conflict and the "black enough" conundrum, Ifill shows why this is a pivotal moment in American history.

THE BREAKTHROUGH is a remarkable look at contemporary politics and an essential foundation for understanding the future of American democracy.



Amazon.com Product Description
http://www.amazon.com/Breakthrough-Politics-Race-Age-Obama/dp/038552501X

So the book really isn't even about Obama specifically. :whatever: I think danoyse is right, McCain might use this as a reason to try to get Palin out of the debate. I wouldn't be surprised if he did that, at the very least.

jag

[DorkyFresh]

who the hell is this imposter???

VYGU-9Sybl4

the McCain of late would never let something like that slide!

[jaguarr]

who the hell is this imposter???

VYGU-9Sybl4

the McCain of late would never let something like that slide!

They'll cry foul after the fact. Can see it coming a mile away.

jag

[Superman]

So the book really isn't even about Obama specifically. :whatever: I think danoyse is right, McCain might use this as a reason to try to get Palin out of the debate. I wouldn't be surprised if he did that, at the very least.

jagOh I've been saying for over a week now that I would bet anything that Palin backs out of the debate.

I've just had this feeling all week that they have been looking for a reason to get her out of it ever since McCain tried to get out of his debate with Obama.

[Marx]

So the book really isn't even about Obama specifically. :whatever: I think danoyse is right, McCain might use this as a reason to try to get Palin out of the debate. I wouldn't be surprised if he did that, at the very least.

jag

Why else do you think this wasn't brought up until ONE DAY before the debate??? It has been known for quite some time now that Ifill would be the moderator, and that she was writing this book. This is just another pathetic attempt to somehow taint the VP debate. Or get Palin out of it all together.

[Lightning Strykez!]

I'm absolutely disgusted over this hoopla about Gwen's involvement. :mad::down

Sooooo...does that mean Jim Lehrer shouldn't have moderated the debate between Obama and McCain because he's an old, conservative white man? Should Dianne Sawyer moderate the Biden/Palin deal because she's a white woman and will obviously be kinder and fairer to Sarah because she's a WASP as well?

This, dear people IS blatant racism at work.

[Superman]

So has Hype ran out of web space? Is this place so up tight that there is no room for a separate thread and poll for the VP debate?

I don't see why we can't have two separate threads to talk about TWO DIFFERENT DEBATES.

We have this thread to talk about the past Presidential debate and the next two coming up. Why do we have to clutter it up with the VP debate aswell?

The VP debate is probably going to be the most watched debate in US history but it can't have it's own thread?:huh:

I understand the need to cut down on unneeded threads to save space but come on, This is rediculous. I don't even care if my thread is reopened or not, Let somone else start one if you want, but I think it would be nice to have a separate thread for the VP debate and leave this thread for the upcoming two Presidential debates.

My rant is done.:hehe:

[Marx]

So has Hype ran out of web space? Is this place so up tight that there is no room for a separate thread and poll for the VP debate?

I don't see why we can't have two separate threads to talk about TWO DIFFERENT DEBATES.

We have this thread to talk about the past Presidential debate and the next two coming up. Why do we have to clutter it up with the VP debate aswell?

The VP debate is probably going to be the most watched debate in US history but it can't have it's own thread?:huh:

I understand the need to cut down on unneeded threads to save space but come on, This is rediculous. I don't even care if my thread is reopened or not, Let somone else start one if you want, but I think it would be nice to have a separate thread for the VP debate and leave this thread for the upcoming two Presidential debates.

My rant is done.:hehe:

I included the VP debate in this thread when I created it. This thread is for all the debates. I contacted Danoyse and Lobo to see if the poll can be updated as we go along. Danoyse is working on it. I'm not trying to sound insulting, so please do not take it that way Supe...but the conversation within this thread has followed the course of the debates. It started off talking about the first debate. It has since moved into the VP debate discussion. And I strongly suspect that the conversation will move into the second and third presidential debates once we approach those debates.

[Addendum]

Does anyone think Palin will do worse than Admiral Stockdale in the VP debate?

While his only gaffe was looking silly on national TV, Stockdale was an incredible person

[Matt]

I included the VP debate in this thread when I created it. This thread is for all the debates. I contacted Danoyse and Lobo to see if the poll can be updated as we go along. Danoyse is working on it. I'm not trying to sound insulting, so please do not take it that way Supe...but the conversation within this thread has followed the course of the debates. It started off talking about the first debate. It has since moved into the VP debate discussion. And I strongly suspect that the conversation will move into the second and third presidential debates once we approach those debates.

I'm with Marx, and just for the record...we have found a way to get new polls each time (Thank Mister J for that one) :up:

[Matt]

Does anyone think Palin will do worse than Admiral Stockdale in the VP debate?

While his only gaffe was looking silly on national TV, Stockdale was an incredible person

I feel bad for Stockdale. He wasn't aware that he was even in the debate until a week before it.

[Superman]

By your logic we shouldn't even have this thread since we are also talking about the debates in the Obama thread, The McCain thread, The Palin thread and Biden thread, So why have this thread if we are talking about the same thing in 4 other threads.:csad:

Whatever, I don't care anymore. You all do what you want.

This used to be a fun place to go to talk politics but it's gotten too uptight here lately. It's gotten rediculous.:whatever:

[Matt]

Well, maybe if certain posters...bah, whats the point? The decision was made to keep the debate threads localized. The internet is a big place. There are plenty of other political boards, go to one of them if you don't like. it.

[jaguarr]

Does anyone think Palin will do worse than Admiral Stockdale in the VP debate?

While his only gaffe was looking silly on national TV, Stockdale was an incredible person

I think Cap'n Crunch would have done a better job than Stockdale. :o

jag

[Marx]

I think Cap'n Crunch would have done a better job than Stockdale. :o

jag

:hehe:

[sasquatchs]

Aides Promise an Aggressive Palin in VP Debate

GOP vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin plans to launch aggressive attacks against her Democratic opponent Joe Biden tomorrow night, her campaign aides said, in order to remind voters of why she became popular in her home state of Alaska.

"Governor Palin is eager for the opportunity to contrast her record of reform to the hollow rhetoric of a politician who has spent the bulk of his adult life inside the confines of Washington, D.C.," said Palin spokeswoman Tracey Schmitt. "Tomorrow night will address a critical question; which is more relevant to the office of the vice-presidency -- real-life results or Washington double-speak?"

Palin has spent the last two days preparing at John McCain's ranch complex in Sedona, Ariz., debating from an outdoor podium against McCain's senior foreign policy adviser Randy Scheunemann, who is playing Biden.

Several campaign aides, who asked not to be identified, tried yesterday to downplay expectations of Palin's upcoming performance.

"Governor Palin knows she's got some work to do," one aide said. "We're very much aware that Senator Biden has thirty-five years of experience debating on the Senate floor. It's something he's known for. She's going up against one of the best and most experienced debaters in the Democratic Party."

The campaign has worked to create a relaxed environment on the ranch, aides said, and the governor has prepared with a mix of written materials, oral briefings and practice sessions. Palin's husband and all of her children except for her two oldest, Track and Bristol, are with her in Sedona. One aide described it in an e-mail as "a different kind of prep for a different kind of candidate."

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/10/01/aides_promise_an_aggressive_pa.html

I don't see how this is going to work for her. She can't fill 45 minutes with aww shucks generalities and cheap one-liners when it comes to domestic and foreign policy

[Raiden]

I don't see how this is going to work for her. She can't fill 45 minutes with aww shucks generalities and cheap one-liners when it comes to domestic and foreign policy

Nevertheless, I expect her to use general terms or some vague stories about ordinary Americans back in Alaska when she is stumped (which will happen most of the time).

[Marx]

PALIN GETS CHANCE TO OVERCOME DOUBTS IN VP DEBATE
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081001/ap_on_el_pr/vice_presidential_debate

[Knives]

I don't see how this is going to work for her. She can't fill 45 minutes with aww shucks generalities and cheap one-liners when it comes to domestic and foreign policy

Thats exactly what she is going to try to do though. That's all she has. She doesnt know jack **** about ANY of the issues. So she'll just go on the attack and try to charm everyone with nonsense. It's up to the moderator, and to an extent, Biden to call her out and force an actual ANSWER out of her. But i'm not expecting much.

DOn't be surprised to see her declared the winner of the debate, even if she doesn't answer a SINGLE question. In order to lose, she'd have to make another Katie Couric interview type gaffe. I bet that' s what they are training her not to do.

[Superman]

I don't see how this is going to work for her. She can't fill 45 minutes with aww shucks generalities and cheap one-liners when it comes to domestic and foreign policyOh yes she can, And she'll get away with it too. Just wait and see. :csad:

[Raiden]

Oh yes she can, And she'll get away with it too. Just wait and see. :csad:

I think Palin and the McCain camp figured that if she could "win" those debates back in Alaska when she was running for governor, then she has a chance to win the veep debate without knowing anything.

[jaguarr]

Palin's "aww shucks generalities" and her zingers, along with her nonsensical B.S. answers that unapologetically highlight her lack of knowledge, have brought her nothing but ridicule from the press, pundits and SNL. She'll be scrutinized like never before in this debate and she can't hide behind multiple candidates on stage. It's just her and Joe with everyone watching and listening while they talk about subjects she has little to no knowledge on. She'll get torn to ribbons in the press after-party if she tries to B.S. her way through this.

jag

[rdh007]

Oh yes she can, And she'll get away with it too. Just wait and see. :csad:

Agreed. It got Bush in the White House.
and the rest of us President Cheney :(

[Marx]

I'm with Marx, and just for the record...we have found a way to get new polls each time (Thank Mister J for that one) :up:

I'm glad to hear that! I was hoping that we would be able to have a new poll with each new debate!

[danoyse]

And now we switch the poll to the vice-presidential debate. Discuss away!

[rdh007]

Wait, what? No new threads! No new threads!

[redfirebird2008]

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4493093n

The contrast is amazing. "Can you think of any others?" LOL.

[Marx]

And now we switch the poll to the vice-presidential debate. Discuss away!

THANK YOU DANOYSE! :applaud

[danoyse]

Wait, what? No new threads! No new threads!

Tricked you, didn't I?

In order to change the poll, we need to create a new thread, merge it with the old one, and replace the poll.

Just call it a Jedi Mod Trick. :oldrazz:

[Marx]

And just for the record...

HYPE POLL RESULTS: QUESTION ONE

Who won the first debate?

Barack Obama: 52 (65 percent)
John McCain: 5 (6.25 percent)
Draw 23 (28.75 percent)

Total votes: 80

[Matt]

THANK YOU DANOYSE! :applaud

Yeah, thank her. Not the one who asked around and did the tests that lead to this :csad:

[Matt]

Tricked you, didn't I?

In order to change the poll, we need to create a new thread, merge it with the old one, and replace the poll.

Just call it a Jedi Mod Trick. :oldrazz:

Are the results public this time?

[danoyse]

Yeah, thank her. Not the one who asked around and did the tests that lead to this :csad:

OK everyone, Matt needs a hug.

(thanks Matt!)

And no, I don't think the poll results are public.

[Marx]

Yeah, thank her. Not the one who asked around and did the tests that lead to this :csad:

:oldrazz:

THANK YOU MATT!

[Marx]

Are the results public this time?

OK everyone, Matt needs a hug.

(thanks Matt!)

And no, I don't think the poll results are public.

I think public poll results would help get people to explain why they think the way they do...but hey, I'm not going to complain! I'm just glad that it was able to be changed! :woot:

[Matt]

OK everyone, Matt needs a hug.

(thanks Matt!)

And no, I don't think the poll results are public.

I like hugs :csad:

And if they aren't public, how can we know who votes before the debate even starts and appropriately ridicule them? :cwink:

:oldrazz:

THANK YOU MATT!

:heart:

[danoyse]

I like hugs :csad:

And if they aren't public, how can we know who votes before the debate even starts and appropriately ridicule them? :cwink:



:heart:


We :heart: Matt. :oldrazz:

I was afraid if we made the poll public, it would just add to arguments...not that we have any arguing in this forum.

[Marx]

And if they aren't public, how can we know who votes before the debate even starts and appropriately ridicule them? :cwink:


It would appear as though someone has already cast a vote for Sarah Palin... :whatever:

[StrainedEyes]

I don't know if this has been posted, I know it's been talked about.

Biden and Palin on abortion.

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4493093n


I predict this is how the debates will be.

[danoyse]

It would appear as though someone has already cast a vote for Sarah Palin... :whatever:

Is it too late to edit the poll??

[Marx]

Is it too late to edit the poll??

What do you mean?

[Superman]

Is it too late to edit the poll??If you can make it so we know who voted for who.


I think I said that right.:huh:

[ShadowBoxing]

I don't know if this has been posted, I know it's been talked about.

Biden and Palin on abortion.

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4493093n


I predict this is how the debates will be.
Okay...hold up...waitaminute...okay...she did not just say Federalists were for state's rights, correct? Federalists.

[Marx]

If you can make it so we know who voted for who.


I think I said that right.:huh:

I would be very curious to know who already cast a vote when the debate hasn't even taken place yet. :cmad:

[rdh007]

Just call it a Jedi Mod Trick. :oldrazz:
To Marx:
"We don't need to see her identification."
Marx replies:
"Move along. Move along."

[Marx]

To Marx:
"We don't need to see her identification."
Marx replies:
"Move along. Move along."

Nice try RDH...but those only work on the weak minded. :cwink:

[rdh007]

Those only work on the weak minded... :cwink:

Yeah. Your location says Ohio. :confused:
;) :oldrazz:

[Marx]

Yeah. Your location says Ohio. :confused:
;) :oldrazz:

:dry:

That's OHIO, not West Virginia! :oldrazz:

[souvlaki]

Just posted this in the Palin thread, but realized it probably made more sense here. Found this earlier, and it's hilarious (well, made me laugh at least).


Debate Training - Biden learns what makes girls cry (WITH HOT PICS!)

http://www.236.com/news/2008/10/01/debate_training_biden_learns_w_1_9211.php

[jaguarr]

Just posted this in the Palin thread, but realized it probably made more sense here. Found this earlier, and it's hilarious (well, made me laugh at least).


Debate Training - Biden learns what makes girls cry (WITH HOT PICS!)

http://www.236.com/news/2008/10/01/debate_training_biden_learns_w_1_9211.php

:lmao: Let's do this! :cmad:

jag

[souvlaki]

:lmao: Let's do this! :cmad:

jag

My favorite exchange was:

Granholm: We have trade missions back and forth. We– we do– it’s very important when you consider even national security issues with Russia as Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where–

Biden: Oh come on! Don't just pretend to speak in gibberish. Approximate the kind of answer she'd give.

Granholm: That was a direct quote.

Biden: Holy ****.

[Marx]

Ok...so now someone has decided to cast a vote for Joe Biden?

THE DEBATE TAKES PLACE TOMORROW NIGHT PEOPLE! :cmad:

[souvlaki]

Ok...so now someone has decided to cast a vote for Joe Biden?

THE DEBATE TAKES PLACE TOMORROW NIGHT PEOPLE! :cmad:

To be fair I think you could safely vote for Biden tonight without even watching the debate. Really, the only way Palin is going to win this thing is if Biden doesn't show up.

[souvlaki]

And no, that wasn't me that voted for Biden already.

[souvlaki]

Wait a second... who the hell voted for Palin? I think that's a better question.

[Superman]

:dry:

That's OHIO, not West Virginia! :oldrazz:

I read that. :cmad:

Kiss it. http://smilies.vidahost.com/contrib/tweetz/moon.gif

:oldrazz: :woot:

[Marx]

I read that. :cmad:

Kiss it. http://smilies.vidahost.com/contrib/tweetz/moon.gif

:oldrazz: :woot:

:oldrazz:

[Marx]

Wait a second... who the hell voted for Palin? I think that's a better question.

The Palin vote was cast first. I could take a wild guess as to who it was...but I'd rather not start a fight. It's just someone who is content to act like a child.

[souvlaki]

The Palin vote was cast first. I could take a wild guess as to who it was...but I'd rather not start a fight.

Jman :cmad:

[Marx]

Jman :cmad:

Somehow I strongly doubt that he's the culprit. :funny:

[Matt]

I closed the poll for now. We can re-open it after the debate.

[Marx]

I closed the poll for now. We can re-open it after the debate.

That's a wise decision. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

[Marx]

BIDEN, PALIN HAVE DIFFERENT MISSIONS IN DEBATE
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/01/vp.debate.performance/index.html

[Knives]

I don't know if this has been posted, I know it's been talked about.

Biden and Palin on abortion.

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4493093n


I predict this is how the debates will be.

!!!

If thats what the debates are going to look like, then it is going to be the disaster for Palin that so many are predicting.

[The Senator]

Jman :cmad:

You caught me. I didn't know how to bring this up, but I feel like I haven't been entirely honest with you guys. I'm actually working for Palin now, and I didn't want you all to hate me, so I made you think I hated her instead. But lately, I just cannot bring myself to criticize her anymore. She really is the most qualified person to be VP, considering she represents change, and change is what we deserve in this country.

It is time that I confess my deep admiration of Miss Palin. After all, she has shown me that ordinary people can go great places in politics, especially if they can see other countries from their homes. And that's not a feat many people can lay claim too, and since I can see Toronto from Lake Ontario when I return to Upstate New York, Sarah and I have a lot in common. Basically, I can be the next Vice President if I want to, so she keeps a dream of mine alive with burning intensity, unlike Joe Biden, who is too experienced for the job. Plus, he can't see any foreign countries from Delaware... and that shows he has no foreign policy experience at all.

Heck, I don't even need to finish college right now, I can go right out into the work force and attend five more colleges if I want to. I don't need to memorize all of these supreme court cases, I don't need to take all of these international politics courses-- all I need in life is to move to Alaska and live simply, and I think that is a stellar philosophy.

By golly, Sarah Palin is the next best thing since mooseburger helper, and I just can't wait for her to be Vice President. Thank you all for allowing me a chance to come clean; now I feel like I can move on with my life and start supporting the woman of my dreams. :cwink:

[Marx]

You caught me. I didn't know how to bring this up, but I feel like I haven't been entirely honest with you guys. I'm actually working for Palin now, and I didn't want you all to hate me, so I made you think I hated her instead. But lately, I just cannot bring myself to criticize her anymore. She really is the most qualified person to be VP, considering she represents change, and change is what we deserve in this country.

It is time that I confess my deep admiration of Miss Palin. After all, she has shown me that ordinary people can go great places in politics, especially if they can see other countries from their homes. And that's not a feat many people can lay claim too, and since I can see Toronto from Lake Ontario when I return to Upstate New York, Sarah and I have a lot in common. Basically, I can be the next Vice President if I want to, so she keeps a dream of mine alive with burning intensity, unlike Joe Biden, who is too experienced for the job. Plus, he can't see any foreign countries from Delaware... and that shows he has no foreign policy experience at all.

By golly, Sarah Palin is the next best thing since mooseburger helper, and I just can't wait for her to be Vice President. Thank you all for allowing me a chance to come clean; now I feel like I can move on with my life and start supporting the woman of my dreams. :cwink:

:eek:

:lmao:

[The Senator]

:lmao:

Was I that obvious :huh:

[Marx]

Was I that obvious :huh:

Only to those who've gotten to know you. :oldrazz:





(and besides, I did include a shockface.)

[Marx]

IFILL URGED TO STEP ASIDE IN DEBATE
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/01/ifill-urged-step-aside-debate/

Miss Ifill wrote an Aug. 21 article for Time outlining her upcoming book. That same day, the McCain and Obama campaigns released a joint statement saying they had agreed on terms and moderators for their three debates.
Some Democratic strategists grumbled that the timing of the issue [-] which dominated Wednesday's cable news chatter [-] was suspect and perhaps pushed to the Drudge Report by Republicans worried about Mrs. Palin's performance.

[The Battousai]

McCain must really be reaching :o

[Marx]

DEBATE SHOWING KEY FOR PALIN'S CAMPAIGN
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/02/debate-showing-key-for-palins-campaign/

[redfirebird2008]

Gwen Ifill is a professional. She was harder on Edwards than Cheney during the 2004 VP debate. I suspect because of the right wing allegations against her, she will be harder on Biden. But he can handle it. Katie Couric's questions were SOFT BALL and Palin still managed to embarrass herself. Even if Ifill is harder on Biden, she will not be as kind as Couric was to Palin.

[Fading]

You're never going to find someone completely unbias. It can't be helped, it's hard to be 100% neutral about anything. However if you're an 'ace at debates' like Palin, you should be comforatable enough with anything thrown at you no matter who asks the questions. Fact is she's obviously not.

You guys are right, Katie Couric was softballing her, she wasn't purposefully being over aggressive like O'Reilly can be. Palin shouldn't have a problem since they should be broad questions like on healthcare, the economy in general, war, etc. It's not like Ifill is going to flat out call McCain old, and question Palin's sanity. Palin however can't seem to stick to the issues and McCain wants someone who will sympathize and back off of the hard questions for her.

However we don't want someone to take it easy, or sympathize with her. This debate is to show us a part of who will be the second most powerful person in our country. I want to know how she reacts to tough questions, and her stance on crisis situations.

[Knives]

This thing with Ifill is the new big ******** controversy sprung up by the desperate republicans. They knew since july that this woman was working on this book, but they bring it up NOW saying they were all SHOCKED by it! It's horse ****. They don't REALLY want her to step aside, they want her right where she is, so if Palin screws up big, they can blame the biased moderator. That's the new plan now should Palin embarass herself. They really are a hopeless bunch.

[Shifty]

I don't know if this has been posted, I know it's been talked about.

Biden and Palin on abortion.

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4493093n


I predict this is how the debates will be.

She should be sterilized. No one that ignorant and clueless should be having a kid let alone five. Oh and removed for the ticket.

[Superman]

Anyone see Keith Olbermann rip the McCain campaign a new one lastnight over this Ifill BS?

McCain in the Membrane
Watch the #1 story.:hehe:

r1HajItVoGU

"They're Morons!!!!" :hehe:

[Ahura Mazda]

Anyone see Keith Olbermann rip the McCain campaign a new one lastnight over this Ifill BS?

McCain in the Membrane
Watch the #1 story.:hehe:

r1HajItVoGU

"They're Morons!!!!" :hehe:

That was hilarious :D

[sasquatchs]

The Biden and Palin Debating Styles (video):

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/10/02/the-vp-debate-what-to-watch-for/

[french joker]

I agree with everything jman said : Sarah Palin is simply the proof that anyone, from Homer Simpson to my 5 years-old brother, CAN be the next president of the United States.
She represents a new hope for every people who never went to school and never got any kind of education : that they still be able to direct the most powerful country of planet.

Thank you Sarah Palin:yay:

[kane9321]

Anyone see Keith Olbermann rip the McCain campaign a new one lastnight over this Ifill BS?

McCain in the Membrane
Watch the #1 story.:hehe:

r1HajItVoGU

"They're Morons!!!!" :hehe:



he ripped McCain hard...it was so great. I mean the facts about Ifill's book has been out for months...wow

[kane9321]

Anyone see Keith Olbermann rip the McCain campaign a new one lastnight over this Ifill BS?

McCain in the Membrane
Watch the #1 story.:hehe:

r1HajItVoGU

"They're Morons!!!!" :hehe:



he ripped McCain hard...it was so great. I mean the facts about Ifill's book has been out for months..wow

[kane9321]

grrr double post

[Raiden]

IFILL URGED TO STEP ASIDE IN DEBATE
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/01/ifill-urged-step-aside-debate/

I think it's a bunch of BS that McCain only raised this issue now, whereas he had said publicly than he had no problem with Ifill previously. I think it is just to use her as the reason for Palin's inevitable defeat from the debate, as Ifill will be accused as the culprit for her lousy performance.

[ShadowBoxing]

Heard about the Ifill matter earlier in the week. LET THE PRE-WHINING BEGIN!!!!

[The Lizard]

McCain indeed made a mistake by waiting until this point to bring up any potential issue with Ifill's book and her role as a moderator.

But...let's be realistic about the "whining" thing.

If the moderator was someone who had an upcoming book titled "John McCain and the Proud History of War Heroes in Politics", do you really think that the Democrats wouldn't be whining about it?

Namby-pamby whining is bipartisan. :oldrazz:

[sinewave]

unless ifill purposely shows preferential treatment to biden, i don't see how anyone will buy into the mccain campaign's complaints of bias, especially if she's going to ask the same questions of both candidates. ifill's smart enough to know she'll be heavily scrutinized and won't risk coming off as anything but impartial.

[souvlaki]

McCain indeed made a mistake by waiting until this point to bring up any potential issue with Ifill's book and her role as a moderator.

But...let's be realistic about the "whining" thing.

If the moderator was someone who had an upcoming book titled "John McCain and the Proud History of War Heroes in Politics", do you really think that the Democrats wouldn't be whining about it?

Namby-pamby whining is bipartisan. :oldrazz:

Probably... but anyone capable of looking at the situation from an objective point of view would see that it was McCain's own fault for not vetting the moderators before agreeing to them. It's not like anyone is complaining about Brokaw moderating the next debate, and he obviously leans toward McCain.

[Marx]

Anyone see Keith Olbermann rip the McCain campaign a new one lastnight over this Ifill BS?

McCain in the Membrane
Watch the #1 story.:hehe:

r1HajItVoGU

"They're Morons!!!!" :hehe:

I completely agree with Olbermann on this. To suggest that the McCain campaign had no clue about Ifill's book until a day before the debate is absolutely ridiculous! It's just another pathetic attempt to lay the blame at someone else's doorstep for a poor performance (or potentially, since it hasn't even happened yet) of Sarah Palin. God forbid, Palin's poor performances rest with her. It's always someone else's fault! :whatever:

[Matt]

McCain indeed made a mistake by waiting until this point to bring up any potential issue with Ifill's book and her role as a moderator.

But...let's be realistic about the "whining" thing.

If the moderator was someone who had an upcoming book titled "John McCain and the Proud History of War Heroes in Politics", do you really think that the Democrats wouldn't be whining about it?

Namby-pamby whining is bipartisan. :oldrazz:

Hell, look at how people whined about Stephanopolous in the PA debates.

That being said, Ifill is one of the most fair-minded moderators I have ever seen. She is an absolute professional. Furthermore, this book isn't even pro-Obama. It is simply a historical perspective on black politicans and how a black presidential candidate can change the political landscape. Its not as if it is a love letter to Obama.

That being said...she probably should've stepped aside, just to avoid this. But the McCain people, as you said, should've called her on it earlier if they had issue with it. They are just looking for an out incase Palin embarrasses them.

[Raiden]

McCain indeed made a mistake by waiting until this point to bring up any potential issue with Ifill's book and her role as a moderator.

But...let's be realistic about the "whining" thing.

If the moderator was someone who had an upcoming book titled "John McCain and the Proud History of War Heroes in Politics", do you really think that the Democrats wouldn't be whining about it?

Namby-pamby whining is bipartisan. :oldrazz:

The problem here is that McCain could've whine early on, when they were settling on the moderators. Bringing this issue up on days before the debate is just a calculating move from the McCain camp.

[Matt]

Probably... but anyone capable of looking at the situation from an objective point of view would see that it was McCain's own fault for not vetting the moderators before agreeing to them. It's not like anyone is complaining about Brokaw moderating the next debate, and he obviously leans toward McCain.

The problem is, everyone knows and respects Brokaw as an old school, respected journalist who can put his biases aside. Not enough people know Ifill well enough to know she is exactly the same way.

[Marx]

Probably... but anyone capable of looking at the situation from an objective point of view would see that it was McCain's own fault for not vetting the moderators before agreeing to them. It's not like anyone is complaining about Brokaw moderating the next debate, and he obviously leans toward McCain.

If a campaign even remotely wants to be prepared, they research everything about everyone! You don't agree to a moderator months ago, only to come out against that same moderator on a bogus account of not knowing that she wrote a book about race and politics ONE DAY BEFORE THE DEBATE. This knowledge has been out there for quite some time now. It's been published in fliers sent to bookstores. It's online for pre-orders. Ifill has not been hiding this fact. I'm really getting tired of these phony outrages that come from the McCain campaign.

[Matt]

But this is the campaign that vetted their VP over a weekend on Google, so preparation isn't exactly a strong point of theirs. :hehe:

[Marx]

But this is the campaign that vetted their VP over a weekend on Google, so preparation isn't exactly a strong point of theirs. :hehe:

That's definately obvious. The McCain campaign is a joke.

[Matt]

That's definately obvious. The McCain campaign is a joke.

The amazing thing to me is, Obama is only ahead 2 or 3 points in most battle ground states. I find it hard to believe that half the population is racist, I just don't think he connects to middle America very well. So, its kind of funny to think how absolutely lucky he got by McCain being the Republican nominee. Imagine if it were Huckabee or Romney or anyone who isn't senile. They'd be absolutely destroying Obama.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. The Democrats had this election tied up as of January. Then their primary shenanigans handed it to the Republicans. And then the sheer stupidity of McCain handed it right back.

[Lightning Strykez!]

unless ifill purposely shows preferential treatment to biden, i don't see how anyone will buy into the mccain campaign's complaints of bias, especially if she's going to ask the same questions of both candidates. ifill's smart enough to know she'll be heavily scrutinized and won't risk coming off as anything but impartial.

I fail to see the connection between the contents of Ifill's book and her moderating two WHITE politicians. The entire concept behind this whining is utterly ridiculous. :whatever:

[Lightning Strykez!]

It's not like anyone is complaining about Brokaw moderating the next debate, and he obviously leans toward McCain.

Isn't Jim Lehrer a republican too? And who's moderating the last debate?

[Matt]

I'm actually with LS! on this one (God, it feels good to say that again)...this book seems more like a social commentary than a pro-Obama book. I mean, Obama did make history...that is not a debatable comment, it is just a fact. There will be reprecussions (both positive and negative) from what Obama has done, and that seems to be what Ifill's book is about. Not "OMG! I LOVE OBAMA! VOTE FOR HIM AND NOT MCCAIN!"

[danoyse]

That's definately obvious. The McCain campaign is a joke.

Stephen Colbert called it the "Straight Talk Titanic" last night.

Ifil shouldn't have to step down. They've known she was going to be the moderator and that she'd written this book since July. The fact that they're raising a fit now only shows that they have little confidence in Palin.

[Matt]

I think the bigger question is why should the McCain camp expect Ifill to not right a historical perspective and social commentary on a historical event? If Ifill wrote a book on Vietnam POWs would anyone be complaining? Ifill is a class act and I'm sick of people getting on her :cmad:

...I really like Ifill, btw.

[jaguarr]

I'm actually with LS! on this one (God, it feels good to say that again)...this book seems more like a social commentary than a pro-Obama book. I mean, Obama did make history...that is not a debatable comment, it is just a fact. There will be reprecussions (both positive and negative) from what Obama has done, and that seems to be what Ifill's book is about. Not "OMG! I LOVE OBAMA! VOTE FOR HIM AND NOT MCCAIN!"

Yeah, that's the sense I get about the book from the various synopses of it that I have read. It's less a love note to Obama than it is more about the rise of prominent Black politicians and the example of Obama and how his experience will further set the stage for future black politicians.

jag

[Matt]

Yeah, that's the sense I get about the book from the various synopses of it that I have read. It's less a love note to Obama than it is more about the rise of prominent Black politicians and the example of Obama and how his experience will further set the stage for future black politicians.

jag

Its really ridiculous to say she is authoring a "pro-Obama book," because if that were the case...it would already be out! Why would she release a pro-Obama book after the election? The McCain camp is reaching here and I really hope they get shot down on this one (pun not intended). No one messes with my Gwen :cmad:

[Lightning Strykez!]

I'm actually with LS! on this one (God, it feels good to say that again)...

*sings*

"Reunited...and it feels so gooooood!" :heart:

I honestly don't know where to set my expectations for this debate tonight. I have a feeling though that Sarah will get over on sheer snarkiness and smart assery, just like she did during the RNC speech. That represents "powah" and "strength" in the eyes of some, and they'll give her a pass.

Her "aides" are saying that we'll see a very aggressive, shark-like approach from Ms. Barracuda tonight. I'm not sure that's a wise approach though. It didn't work out so well for John. :whatever:

[jaguarr]

Its really ridiculous to say she is authoring a "pro-Obama book," because if that were the case...it would already be out! Why would she release a pro-Obama book after the election? The McCain camp is reaching here and I really hope they get shot down on this one (pun not intended). No one messes with my Gwen :cmad:


:lmao: That was so wrong...and I loved it. Life isn't fair, Matt! :cmad:

jag

[jaguarr]

*sings*

"Reunited...and it feels so gooooood!" :heart:

I honestly don't know where to set my expectations for this debate tonight. I have a feeling though that Sarah will get over on sheer snarkiness and smart assery, just like she did during the RNC speech. That represents "powah" and "strength" in the eyes of some, and they'll give her a pass.

Her "aides" are saying that we'll see a very aggressive, shark-like approach from Ms. Barracuda tonight. I'm not sure that's a wise approach though. It didn't work out so well for John. :whatever:

I think Biden's ready for anything and I think Palin is going to self-implode. She can't hide the fact that she doesn't know jack **** about anything on the national level anymore and it's become a nationwide game to watch her try to appear that she does. The news talks about it. SNL parodies it. Even the neo-conservative a-holes in my office make fun of her for it. No one takes her seriously and I can't see her doing anything to improve that. If she's snarky and condescending and throwing one-liners, she'll get called out in the press for resorting to those kinds of tactics to try to cover for her lack of knowledge.

jag

[Matt]

*sings*

"Reunited...and it feels so gooooood!" :heart:

I honestly don't know where to set my expectations for this debate tonight. I have a feeling though that Sarah will get over on sheer snarkiness and smart assery, just like she did during the RNC speech. That represents "powah" and "strength" in the eyes of some, and they'll give her a pass.

Her "aides" are saying that we'll see a very aggressive, shark-like approach from Ms. Barracuda tonight. I'm not sure that's a wise approach though. It didn't work out so well for John. :whatever:

But McCain isn't good at it. Palin is. I really think the GOP has been underselling Palin and tonight will be her coming out party. Only problem is, her party has a crasher named Joe Biden, and he is twice the bulldog she is and he will get snarky and aggressive right back and put her in her place.

:lmao: That was so wrong...and I loved it. Life isn't fair, Matt! :cmad:

jag

...I lied. The pun was intended :hehe:......I feel like I should go to confession now :csad:

[Lightning Strykez!]

If Ifill wrote a book on Vietnam POWs would anyone be complaining? Ifill is a class act and I'm sick of people getting on her :cmad:

...I really like Ifill, btw.

You're biased, sexist and racist!

[Marx]

The amazing thing to me is, Obama is only ahead 2 or 3 points in most battle ground states. I find it hard to believe that half the population is racist, I just don't think he connects to middle America very well. So, its kind of funny to think how absolutely lucky he got by McCain being the Republican nominee. Imagine if it were Huckabee or Romney or anyone who isn't senile. They'd be absolutely destroying Obama.

Polls out as of yesterday have Obama making significant gains in all of the majority of battleground states. Many of which, he is now leading outside the margin of error. That said, I do believe that if Romney had been the nominee, or the VP choice, this would be an entirely different race.


I've said it before and I'll say it again. The Democrats had this election tied up as of January. Then their primary shenanigans handed it to the Republicans. And then the sheer stupidity of McCain handed it right back.

I think the Democratic primary played out as it should have. There were two candidates who had (almost) equal support within the party, who drew on completely different aspects of of the party.

[Matt]

I think Biden's ready for anything and I think Palin is going to self-implode. She can't hide the fact that she doesn't know jack **** about anything on the national level anymore and it's become a nationwide game to watch her try to appear that she does. The news talks about it. SNL parodies it. Even the neo-conservative a-holes in my office make fun of her for it. No one takes her seriously and I can't see her doing anything to improve that. If she's snarky and condescending and throwing one-liners, she'll get called out in the press for resorting to those kinds of tactics to try to cover for her lack of knowledge.

jag

My little old mom, who knows nothing about politics and has no interest in it, got into this election because of Sarah Palin. Now she has lost interest because...and I quote "Its like the reason I quit watching The Office. I just feel too embarrassed for her to keep watching."

[danoyse]

*sings*

"Reunited...and it feels so gooooood!" :heart:

I honestly don't know where to set my expectations for this debate tonight. I have a feeling though that Sarah will get over on sheer snarkiness and smart assery, just like she did during the RNC speech. That represents "powah" and "strength" in the eyes of some, and they'll give her a pass.

Her "aides" are saying that we'll see a very aggressive, shark-like approach from Ms. Barracuda tonight. I'm not sure that's a wise approach though. It didn't work out so well for John. :whatever:

I'm sure we will. I'm betting they load her up with sound bites and attacks just to keep Biden on the defensive all night and not give him a chance to answer his own questions. It's all they have, she sure as hell can't answer anything.

I don't know if that tactic will be as effective as her speech though. She was an unknown then. Today she's an SNL parody and people know her a whole lot better now. The snark might only work with her dwindling base.

I would love to see her take a swipe at Ifil's book. Between that and McCain's "life isn't fair" comment this week, the crybaby defense will be complete.

[Matt]

You're biased, sexist and racist!

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r62/stref2001/thats_so_raven-show.jpg

[Marx]

Stephen Colbert called it the "Straight Talk Titanic" last night.

Ifil shouldn't have to step down. They've known she was going to be the moderator and that she'd written this book since July. The fact that they're raising a fit now only shows that they have little confidence in Palin.

It's nothing more than a pre-emptive strike to protect Palin's image. I couldn't agree more.

[Gilpesh]

It's nothing more than a pre-emptive strike to protect Palin's image. I couldn't agree more.

Maybe you could have if she added that women should stay in the kitchen. :o

[Matt]

Polls out as of yesterday have Obama making significant gains in all of the majority of battleground states. Many of which, he is now leading outside the margin of error. That said, I do believe that if Romney had been the nominee, or the VP choice, this would be an entirely different race.

Imagine if Huckabee were the nominee. Between his every man demeanor and his ability to form a real connection to those around him that is rivaled in American politcs only by Brian Schweitzer and his background as a pastor...he would have the far right wrapped around his finger and be courting the independent votes through a more moderate approach right now...and probably very successfully due to his every man approach (I agree with the man on nothing...except maybe Fairtax...but every time I hear him speak, I can't help but get wrapped up in it) compared to Obama's "elitist," speeches. Huckabee would be killing right now.


I think the Democratic primary played out as it should have. There were two candidates who had (almost) equal support within the party, who drew on completely different aspects of of the party.

I agree it should've played out as it did. But it did set the party back.

[jaguarr]

My little old mom, who knows nothing about politics and has no interest in it, got into this election because of Sarah Palin. Now she has lost interest because...and I quote "Its like the reason I quit watching The Office. I just feel too embarrassed for her to keep watching."

And my Mom, a lifelong Republican, is now incredibly pissed off at McCain for choosing Palin, and pissed off at Palin for even thinking about accepting. She's not going to vote at all this year, which I think is a first for her. Palin sealed the deal for my Mom and she's not going to vote. I'm absolutely floored by that one because my Mom has always been very adamant about exercising one's right to vote.

I'm sure we will. I'm betting they load her up with sound bites and attacks just to keep Biden on the defensive all night and not give him a chance to answer his own questions. It's all they have, she sure as hell can't answer anything.

I don't know if that tactic will be as effective as her speech though. She was an unknown then. Today she's an SNL parody and people know her a whole lot better now. The snark might only work with her dwindling base.

I would love to see her take a swipe at Ifil's book. Between that and McCain's "life isn't fair" comment this week, the crybaby defense will be complete.

I think Biden's ready for her to be all snarky. It'll be interesting to see how he handles it, but if he sticks to the issues and corrects her when she misspeaks but otherwise plays it cool, he'll be just fine.

jag

[Marx]

Imagine if Huckabee were the nominee. Between his every man demeanor and his ability to form a real connection to those around him that is rivaled in American politcs only by Brian Schweitzer and his background as a pastor...he would have the far right wrapped around his finger and be courting the independent votes through a more moderate approach right now...and probably very successfully due to his every man approach (I agree with the man on nothing...except maybe Fairtax...but every time I hear him speak, I can't help but get wrapped up in it) compared to Obama's "elitist," speeches. Huckabee would be killing right now.


I agree that Huckabee would have the far right wrapped around his finger. I do not believe that he would have any support beyond that block though. There is no way that anyone outside the far right is going to support a candidate who has said (on more than one occasion) that the constitution should be changed to reflect god's standards.


I agree it should've played out as it did. But it did set the party back.

I don't think that anyone can deny that.

[Excel]

3 weeks ago the talk was how Obama should have picked Hillary, now its all McCain shoulda picked Romney.

Interesting.

[Marx]

3 weeks ago the talk was how Obama should have picked Hillary, now its all McCain shoulda picked Romney.

Interesting.

I strongly believe that McCain should have picked Romney or Pawlenty. If he had, this would be an entirely different race. Instead, he picked the worst possible choice in Sarah Palin. If one of the main reasons for his pick was gender, he could have picked any number of qualified women. The problem is that they aren't as attractive as Palin.

[Matt]

Romney would've been amazing, because like him or hate him, he knows his economics.

[Gilpesh]

Romney would've been amazing, because like him or hate him, he knows his economics.

And saving the Olympics is technically saving the world...

[Excel]

Romneys problem is he would cost McCain swing states, he is the very definition of elitist, even he is personally a nice guy.

[Marx]

And saving the Olympics is technically saving the world...

That's right out of the Palin Defense Mentality. Romney wouldn't have to stretch his qualifications like that.

[Matt]

Romneys problem is he would cost McCain swing states, he is the very definition of elitist, even he is personally a nice guy.

Personality means jack. At the end of the day, if cornered, voters will vote with their wallets. THis economic crisis has so many at wit's end. Romney would be the only candidate even remotely qualified to handle an economic crisis. He would bring in swing states.

[Gilpesh]

That's right out of the Palin Defense Mentality. Romney wouldn't have to stretch his qualifications like that.

Um.... ah..... I'd like to phone a friend.

[Raiden]

Romney would've been amazing, because like him or hate him, he knows his economics.

It seems to me that when McCain was picking his veep, the economy did not dominate the headlines like it is now. McCain was more interested in picking a conservative to appease the base voters, and a woman who can get the disgruntled Hillary supporters. Since he's so friggin' old (72), he wants someone who is young and (preferably) pretty, to serve as a counter to his age. That's why he picked Palin, although it is mostly for the wrong reasons.

[Marx]

Um.... ah..... I'd like to phone a friend.

I'm sorry...but you don't have any lifelines. :lmao:

[Lightning Strykez!]

Personality means jack. At the end of the day, if cornered, voters will vote with their wallets. THis economic crisis has so many at wit's end. Romney would be the only candidate even remotely qualified to handle an economic crisis. He would bring in swing states.

*sigh*

Our honeymoon is over Matt. I disagree with you--AGAIN! :cmad:

Romney's appeal would have been limited to his own base. Yeah, he has great economic knowledge, but do you really believe that middle class voters would've put their confidence in HIM? All you have to do is add up the number of houses between him and McCain and it's little wonder that that entire ticket would've come across elitist to most working class voters.

It would've been a disastrous choice, given the economy as it stands right now. Perhaps not quite as terrible as his Palin pick, but not exactly lightyears away.

[ShadowBoxing]

I have to agree with Matt, Mitt Romney would've been able to run on a record of creating jobs. They wouldn't have attacked Obama on elitism if they had Romney.

[Gilpesh]

I have to agree with Matt, Mitt Romney would've been able to run on a record of creating jobs. They wouldn't have attacked Obama on elitism if they had Romney.

And a great hair gel sponsorship.

[Marx]

*sigh*

Our honeymoon is over Matt. I disagree with you--AGAIN! :cmad:

Romney's appeal would have been limited to his own base. Yeah, he has great economic knowledge, but do you really believe that middle class voters would've put their confidence in HIM? All you have to do is add up the number of houses between him and McCain and it's little wonder that that entire ticket would've come across elitist to most working class voters.

It would've been a disastrous choice, given the economy as it stands right now. Perhaps not quite as terrible as his Palin pick, but not exactly lightyears away.

Romney would have given some credibility to McCain's economic policy. Palin has no credibility with anything. Who do you think would have been the best choice for a McCain VP?

[jaguarr]

Here it is. Someone from the GOP demanding Ifill be booted from the VP debate tonight:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,431863,00.html

Former GOP Congressman Wants Gwen Ifill Booted From VP Debate

Thursday , October 02, 2008

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This is a rush transcript from "Your World With Neil Cavuto," October 1, 2008. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

NEIL CAVUTO, HOST: All right, you know the deal. She has got a book coming out, Gwen Ifill, the woman who will be moderating tomorrow's vice presidential debate. That book, that comes out January 20 of next year, is about Obama nation.

So, one could argue, financially, as my colleague Brit Hume astutely pointed out in the last hour, there could be a clear conflict of interest. As he pointed out, as others have pointed out, Gwen Ifill is a terrific journalist and a great questioner, but there is that pall over her and there is that worry that she won't be fair, or at the very least the appearance that she won't be fair.

My next guest is calling to kick Ifill out as moderator. Former Republican Congressman of Indiana John Hostettler joins me right now.

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So, Congressman, you just think there is just too much there to have her there?

JOHN HOSTETTLER, FORMER U.S. CONGRESSMAN: Well, Gwen Ifill should recuse herself from the post of moderator for this vice presidential debate because she has a vested interest, economically, at least, in the success of the Obama-Biden ticket.

If Barack Obama is not elected on November 4, 2008, by 2009, January 20, 2009, the age of Obama will be over. She — she definitely has a vested interest in seeing Barack Obama being elected. And it does not matter, quite honestly, if it is at pro-Obama book or an anti-Obama book.

(CROSSTALK)

CAVUTO: Well, wait a minute. Wait a minute. If it was an anti-Obama book, would you still be here telling me what you're telling me?

HOSTETTLER: Well, the question we need to ask ourselves is, how are books that are pro-President Bush sold? They have very well. Why? Because he is President Bush.

Anti-President Bush books have sold well. Why? Because he's President Bush. There is not a lot of demand out there for books concerning the age of Mondale or the age of Kerry. These books sell well about President Bush, one way or another, because he is the commander in chief.

CAVUTO: If the League of Women Voters — I think they're the sponsor of these debates — if they don't remove her, should she just recuse yourself and say, look, so much fuss has happened here, I'm not going to do it?

HOSTETTLER: I believe she should.

And this happens all of the time, for example, in legal proceedings, where a judge removes himself from a particular case because of the perception of partiality one way or another. And I think — I think that this — as you mentioned, the word pall — I think there will be a pall over this debate and discussion...

CAVUTO: Well, maybe it goes the other way, Congressman, right? Maybe she gets — she will just grill Obama — I'm sorry — she will grill Joe Biden, but she won't Sarah Palin.

HOSTETTLER: Well, that would go against every instinct.

CAVUTO: So, you're just saying that there's enough there, just — the better part of valor, just get out?

HOSTETTLER: Exactly.

CAVUTO: Interesting. OK. We will see.

Congressman, thank you very much.

HOSTETTLER: Thank you, Neil.

I wonder if we'll see more of these GOP folks coming out of the woodwork today, decrying Ifill's presence.

jag

[Marx]

Here it is. Someone from the GOP demanding Ifill be booted from the VP debate tonight:



I wonder if we'll see more of these GOP folks coming out of the woodwork today, decrying Ifill's presence.

jag

I don't think so. I think everyone will come out after the debate tonight and say 'Ifill should've recused herself' as a means of defending Palin. They will have much more of an argument afterward than before. Any crying before hand makes them look transparent.

[Lightning Strykez!]

Romney would have given some credibility to McCain's economic policy. Palin has no credibility with anything. Who do you think would have been the best choice for a McCain VP?

Pawlenty. The Ying to Obama's Yang.

[jaguarr]

I don't think so. I think everyone will come out after the debate tonight and say 'Ifill should've recused herself' as a means of defending Palin. They will have much more of an argument afterward than before. Any crying before hand makes them look transparent.

Yeah, I agree that it's absolutely obvious they are planning to cry foul after the fact. Won't matter....everyone will watch Palin crumble and be snarky and nasty and completely devoid of content and it will further reinforce what a poor choice she was by McCain. I'm sure SNL is absolutely frothing at the mouth for the debate tonight because it will probably write their whole damn show for them this week. But what does it say about the McCain Campaign if they also think so little of Palin that they're mostly just trying to figure out ways to mitigate the damage even they seem to know is coming at them from Palin's participation in this debate?

jag

[Lightning Strykez!]

I don't think so. I think everyone will come out after the debate tonight and say 'Ifill should've recused herself' as a means of defending Palin. They will have much more of an argument afterward than before. Any crying before hand makes them look transparent.

I am so disgusted over this Ifill mess. It IS transparent--already!

I still believe all this hoopla has less to do with her book and more to do with her skin color though.

[Raiden]

Yeah, I agree that it's absolutely obvious they are planning to cry foul after the fact. Won't matter....everyone will watch Palin crumble and be snarky and nasty and completely devoid of content and it will further reinforce what a poor choice she was by McCain. I'm sure SNL is absolutely frothing at the mouth for the debate tonight because it will probably write their whole damn show for them this week. But what does it say about the McCain Campaign if they also think so little of Palin that they're mostly just trying to figure out ways to mitigate the damage even they seem to know is coming at them from Palin's participation in this debate?

jag

McCain already tried to help Palin by forcing a rigid debate format that prevents Biden from asking direct questions to Palin, and this is just another strategy they are using in case Palin fudge it up tonight (which she will). It's just comical at the length that GOP will undergo in order to score points for Palin.

[Lightning Strykez!]

Yeah, I agree that it's absolutely obvious they are planning to cry foul after the fact. Won't matter....everyone will watch Palin crumble and be snarky and nasty and completely devoid of content and it will further reinforce what a poor choice she was by McCain. I'm sure SNL is absolutely frothing at the mouth for the debate tonight because it will probably write their whole damn show for them this week. But what does it say about the McCain Campaign if they also think so little of Palin that they're mostly just trying to figure out ways to mitigate the damage even they seem to know is coming at them from Palin's participation in this debate?

jag


I don't think it will matter either. Part of the POTUS and VPOTUS job is to deal with people who have obvious biases. If Sarah Palin can navigate tonight's waters and come out on top, that will validate the reasoning behind her selection. But if she bombs the debates, it will give voters a glimpse into how'd she fare in discussions with...well, everyone else.

Obama managed to succeed over the odds with George Stephanouplous modding the primary debates. Let's see if Sarah has the same skill.

[Marx]

Yeah, I agree that it's absolutely obvious they are planning to cry foul after the fact. Won't matter....everyone will watch Palin crumble and be snarky and nasty and completely devoid of content and it will further reinforce what a poor choice she was by McCain. I'm sure SNL is absolutely frothing at the mouth for the debate tonight because it will probably write their whole damn show for them this week. But what does it say about the McCain Campaign if they also think so little of Palin that they're mostly just trying to figure out ways to mitigate the damage even they seem to know is coming at them from Palin's participation in this debate?

jag

It tells me alot.

I am so disgusted over this Ifill mess. It IS transparent--already!

I still believe all this hoopla has less to do with her book and more to do with her skin color though.

I completely agree that it's already transparent. I'm just saying that afterward, look for the flood gates of GOP cries of 'wolf' to open. The is just the leak in the dam...compared to what is coming.

What makes you believe that this hoopla is racial? Honest question. I just see it as another pathetic attempt at damage control over Palin.

Pawlenty. The Ying to Obama's Yang.

I definately think the best would have been Romney or Pawlenty.

[Lightning Strykez!]

What makes you believe that this hoopla is racial?



For the following reasons:

1.) Gwen Ifill is BLACK.

2.) Gwen Ifill's book is about the success of BLACK politicians in America

If she were writing about another subject, i.e., the success of just politicians in America in general, we would not be hearing about this. The GOP are firing at her because of her skin color and the subject matter of her publication.

As far as they're concerned, Gwen Ifill is "one of them" (black people, that is), and therefore her judgement and fairness must be questioned because Barack Obama is also "BLACK".

[Marx]

For the following reasons:

1.) Gwen Ifill is BLACK.

2.) Gwen Ifill's book is about the success of BLACK politicians in America

If she were writing about another subject, i.e., the success of just politicians in America in general, we would not be hearing about this. The GOP are firing at her because of her skin color and the subject matter of her publication.

As far as they're concerned, Gwen Ifill is "one of them" (black people, that is), and therefore her judgement and fairness must be questioned because Barack Obama is also "BLACK".

I don't know what to say to that. I certainly would hope that the McCain campaign's phony cries of outrage are contained to their claims that the book is a 'ringing endorsement of Barack Obama.'

You and I both know what the book is actually about.

[Raiden]

I don't know what to say to that. I certainly would hope that the McCain campaign's phony cries of outrage are contained to their claims that the book is a 'ringing endorsement of Barack Obama.'

You and I both know what the book is actually about.

They know what the book is about too, but because the book is titled "Age of Obama", GOP saw an opportunity to cast her as an partisan moderator, and hope that their accusation will make Palin seemed like a victim in the debate.

[Marx]

They know what the book is about too, but because the book is titled "Age of Obama", GOP saw an opportunity to cast her as an impartial moderator, and hope that their accusation will make Palin seemed like a victim in the debate.

Lightning is suggesting that the 'phony outrage' may have racial undertones. I don't know that I agree with that. I, like you, think that they saw an opportunity because of the title of the book and pounced.

[Excel]

At what time does tonight debate begin?

[Marx]

At what time does tonight debate begin?

5 HOURS AND 58 MINUTES FROM NOW!

9pm :cwink:

[Marx]

DEBATE COUNTDOWN
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/02/debate-countdown/

[Excel]

Thank ya :up: :up:

[Marx]

MCCAIN: PALIN WILL DO 'FINE' TONIGHT
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/02/mccain-palin-will-do-fine-tonight/

[Excel]

I do not expect to see any "Palin win Debate" banners leaking early this time :o

[Marx]

I do not expect to see any "Palin win Debate" banners leaking early this time :o

I wouldn't be surprised though...

[Marx]

PALIN'S NEW DEBATE PLAN: GO AFTER BIDEN
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14220.html

Sarah Palin plans to go on the attack in tonight’s debate, hitting Joe Biden for what she will call his foreign policy blunders and penchant for adopting liberal positions on taxes and other issues, according to campaign officials involved in prepping her for tonight’s showdown.

Attacking Biden on credibility? Good luck with that. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

[Marx]

COULD THE VP DEBATE AFFECT THE RACE?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20081002/pl_politico/14180

[hippie_hunter]

I do not expect to see any "Palin win Debate" banners leaking early this time :o
No, at best I'm expecting Palin to do do what Obama did in his debate and play mostly a good defense to counter Biden.

At worst, it'll be a total ownage of Palin by Biden. Biden was one of the better debaters during the Democratic primaries and is far more experienced in just about everything than Palin.

I don't think anyone is expecting a Palin victory in this debate.

[Raiden]

No, at best I'm expecting Palin to do do what Obama did in his debate and play mostly a good defense to counter Biden.

At worst, it'll be a total ownage of Palin by Biden. Biden was one of the better debaters during the Democratic primaries and is far more experienced in just about everything than Palin.

I don't think anyone is expecting a Palin victory in this debate.

I don't think McCain camp expect Palin to win either, that's why they are attacking Ifill and make her to be some partisan hacker just because she wrote a book on race and politics.

[Marx]

CHUCK TODD: WHAT TONIGHT'S DEBATE REALLY MEANS
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26992881/

[souvlaki]

PALIN'S NEW DEBATE PLAN: GO AFTER BIDEN
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14220.html



Attacking Biden on credibility? Good luck with that. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

So she is going to take the dumbest approach possible for the debate tonight. Good plan. Is she oblivious to the fact that as soon as she attacks Biden it's open season on her record? Biden is not the sort of person you want to attack at a debate, especially when your debating skills are limited to Alaskan politics.

[Marx]

So she is going to take the dumbest approach possible for the debate tonight. Good plan. Is she oblivious to the fact that as soon as she attacks Biden it's open season on her record? Biden is not the sort of person you want to attack at a debate, especially when your debating skills are limited to Alaskan politics.

Haven't you figured out by now that it's sexist to question her, or criticize her? I mean, my god, the moderator is already in the pocket of the Obama campaign Souv! She's got to do something!

I tried saying that with a straight face...but I just couldn't. :hehe:

[BlackLantern]

Biden is going to talk her into submission....She'll either start crying or her brain will start leaking out of her ears...all those big words like "diplomatic relations", "international incidents", and "foreign policy" will make her head hurt