Reintroducing Superman: An Open Discussion

[Deaths Head II]

i thought bryce dallas howard was a perfect casting for gwen. she looked absolutely perfect! the writing completely ruined her character, though. since when was gwen a freaking model?

I agree about Bryce 100%, but I'm just saying Kirstin was more suited towards Gwen then MJ at least. If she had to have role in the Spider-Man films, it shouldn't have been as Mary Jane.

[SuperDaniel]

I think Dunst should've been Gwen and Bryce Mary Jane.

[FaT_tONle]

And you people get on me for making these threads Spiderman threads... anyhow... the lesson learned is... we need kick Bosworth's ass out the door and bring in an actress that can actually play Lois Lane.

[TheBatman1979]

And you people get on me for making these threads Spiderman threads... anyhow... the lesson learned is... we need kick Bosworth's ass out the door and bring in an actress that can actually play Lois Lane.

Like Eliza Dushku
http://www.shinyuniverse.net/assets/images/eliza_dushku.jpg


:wow:

[bunk]

I actually would love her as Lois. I will have to really think about this now.

[TheBatman1979]

I actually would love her as Lois. I will have to really think about this now.

I'd just love her....did I say that out loud???

[Timstuff]

Like Eliza Dushku
http://www.shinyuniverse.net/assets/images/eliza_dushku.jpg


:wow:

That's a pretty bad picture of her. She looks like she's on drugs.

[TheBatman1979]

That's a pretty bad picture of her. She looks like she's on drugs.

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/2017/elizaimdbit7gc1ub5.jpg

Better?

[Motown Marvel]

weird: so the last poll on the front page of the site asked if you wanted a sueprman reboot or an SR sequel. a little over 50% wanted a reboot. now theres a poll on the front page asking who you'd want to direct the superman reboot, and in second place, just behind zack snyder (who doesnt want the job) is bryan singer.

p.s. eliza dushku would be awful for lois.

[solidsnake86]

You know what I find interesting is how many posters are interested in superman considering that nothing is going on with a movie. Look how many posts they're are in this thread compared to iron man which has a sequel announced. I think this goes to show that if a movie is done properly the fans will back the project and the GA will to.

[Superman-Prime]

I love Eliza Dushku. TO be honest, it would be interesting to see her as Lois Lane.

Either way, Batman III or Superman Reboot.

[TheBatman1979]

weird: so the last poll on the front page of the site asked if you wanted a sueprman reboot or an SR sequel. a little over 50% wanted a reboot. now theres a poll on the front page asking who you'd want to direct the superman reboot, and in second place, just behind zack snyder (who doesnt want the job) is bryan singer.

p.s. eliza dushku would be awful for lois.

Why do you say awful? Her acting isn't bad. She's played strong women before. She has the right look. She isn't a stick figure.

I think she'd be great. Then again, we're dealing in what-if's and opinions.

[TheBatman1979]

You know what I find interesting is how many posters are interested in superman considering that nothing is going on with a movie. Look how many posts they're are in this thread compared to iron man which has a sequel announced. I think this goes to show that if a movie is done properly the fans will back the project and the GA will to.

It's because I've seen a god Iron Man movie that was made in the last 20 years. Don't get me wrong, I liked parts of Superman Returns but there were too many "aww, why'd they do that" scenes for me.

I want this character to be back and strong, after all he's been around since 1938, you'd think they'd try to get him right a little more often.

[solidsnake86]

A lot of people may be pessimistic about a reboot. I would have liked to see a sequel to SR because I think the movie gets a bad rap when its not as bad as everyone makes it out to be. Unfortunately that ship has sailed and it seems like ultimately singer might have been to blame for it. I really don't see how it can be screwed up this time around. A reboot allows them to really fix all the complaints that people had with SR. Its nice to see more or less everyone on the same page.

Honestly if they announce tomorrow that they were doing an origin story, got a dc comics to review the script, announced brainiac as the villain, and casted one of the more popular choice like Henry Cavill as superman, I think you would be hard pressed to find people really upset at any of the announcements. Hopefully WB reads these boards.

[VenomsMom]

No but you can go killing off Gwen Stacy. It's too bad Raimi didn't use her first and have her die at the hands of GG.

Now we are officially way off topic! :hehe:
And have Uncle Ben and Gwen die in the same movie....thats too much.

[obiwan]

what? a "Dark" superman? are they kidding? superman isnt dark.

[I Am The Knight]

what? a "Dark" superman? are they kidding? superman isnt dark.

You're kidding me, right? I mean, how many times can this little Dark Superman business come up?

EDIT: BTW, agreed with whoever said that MJ is not supposed to be such a "loser" ... I don't think Dunst is horrible at all, I like her and she played the part very well, but she was missing some spunk by the second and third movie. Especially the third.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

G-d, I accidently turned this into a Spider-Man thread. Forgive me my fellow Superman fans. I think the assessment that Showtime made regarding the writing was fair. It wasn't 100%, then again I've yet to see a women in a comicbook movie be anything too special and that includes Catwoman.

Back on topic.

I think the only people who are leery of a reboot are "haters" who don't want to believe this news and disgruntled fans of Bryan Singer's movie.

[bunk]

I'm leery of every all movies though. Captain America, Thor, Superman, Green Lantern. Batman 3 and Iron Man 2 are the only movies I'm not concerned about. The Superman reboot also could be the best movie ever...

[I Am The Knight]

Come on, Catwoman is iconic. Pfeiffer of course. Berry's Catwoman is iconic-ly....Terrible.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Come on, Catwoman is iconic. Pfeiffer of course. Berry's Catwoman is iconic-ly....Terrible.I hated Pfeiffers Catwoman. I understood why the boys liked her though, she looked amazing in the suit. Anyway, this is a convo for another thread.

[I Am The Knight]

I hated Pfeiffers Catwoman. I understood why the boys liked her though, she looked amazing in the suit. Anyway, this is a convo for another thread.

You're in the minority there... :o

Damn, BR had great performances all around. Pfeiffer, DeVitto, Keaton, Walken, all brought their A game :up:

[I SEE SPIDEY]

You're in the minority there... :o

Damn, BR had great performances all around. Pfeiffer, DeVitto, Keaton, Walken, all brought their A game :up:I sure am beause I hated the entire movie and think that it is no better than Batman and Robin in most ways.

I don't blame the actors, I blame the writers and director.

[I Am The Knight]

I sure am beause I hated the entire movie and think that it is no better than Batman and Robin in most ways.

I don't blame the actors, I blame the writers and director.

My eyes!!! :wow: :csad:

[X Knight]

I have a fond place in my heart for BR..........

[Agent 194]

Regarding the director poll on the home page....I'd like to throw a name in there that's not on the list.....Alfonso Cuaron - who directed, I think, the 3rd Harry Potter movie. He seems to do character real well and handles special effects well.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

My eyes!!! :wow: :csad:*slaps I Am The Knight* Get ahold of yourself man!

[I Am The Knight]

*slaps I Am The Knight* Get ahold of yourself man!

Yeah...Back to "Dark Superman" comments :hehe:

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Yeah...Back to "Dark Superman" comments :hehe:"Dark Superman." Heh, I predict that the fans are going to whine about that one line for years to come.

[I Am The Knight]

"Dark Superman." Heh, I predict that the fans are going to whine about that one line for years to come.

At least until the movie comes out, yes. Bastards.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

At least until the movie comes out, yes. Bastards.lol Harsh.

I just can't be bothered about that one little thing in the comment anymore. They don't have a script or director, it's impossible to complain about anything at this juncture.

[obiwan]

You're in the minority there... :o

Damn, BR had great performances all around. Pfeiffer, DeVitto, Keaton, Walken, all brought their A game :up:


totally, that movie should have been nominated for more then just production design. know how everyone keeps saying ledger should get an oscar nom? well pfieffer shoulda been nominated for an oscar for her role as catwoman, not love field!:whatever: she did better then ledger btw.

[obiwan]

what, superman is gonna kill now? batman gets a free pass with killing because hes more of an antihero anyway, but superman???? please! he is THE hero, he doesnt kill!

[Bulletproof]

what, superman is gonna kill now? batman gets a free pass with killing because hes more of an antihero anyway, but superman???? please! he is THE hero, he doesnt kill!

What on Earth are you talking about?
:huh::huh::huh:

[I SEE SPIDEY]

^My thoughts exactly.

[Ita-KalEl]

Steve from SaveSuperman.com says that things are moving forward quite quickly.

[Michael Corleone]

Steve from SaveSuperman.com says that things are moving forward quite quickly.

I wouldn't put much stock into what that person says.

[Timstuff]

I wouldn't put much stock into what that person says.

Personally, Singer's Superman Sucks (http://singerssupermansucks.blogspot.com/) was always my destination of choice for anti-Singerman news and opinions. :D

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Personally, Singer's Superman Sucks (http://singerssupermansucks.blogspot.com/) was always my destination of choice for anti-Singerman news and opinions. :DThat blog has always been funny to me. The guy writing it seems a little out of his mind.

[Super Kal]

and they turned out to be right all along

[Ita-KalEl]

Yes by now Steve/Archangeles seems pretty reliable, but I still prefer Showtime :yay:

[Michael Corleone]

and they turned out to be right all along

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

[bunk]

It's broken clock, friend.

[Michael Corleone]

It's broken clock, friend.
Thanks for catching the typo. Now I don't look like a complete dumbass. :woot:

[Michael Corleone]

It's broken clock, friend.
Edit: Double Post

[Lighthouse]

As much as I absolutely despise SaveSuperman.com, I do think he has some reliable sources. Its the only reason I even peek over there, despite the massive hyperbole and jaw-dropping amount of homophobia.

[Mikelus]

Well, I remember when those guys told last year that SR sequel was "dead", and that a reboot was coming:

....Man of Steel is done. Dead. Gone. The studio execs have decided if another Superman film is made it will be a restart as they did with Batman Begins.

http://www.countingdown.com/movies/343447/board?viewpost=3992757&folder=0

[Spade]

This is straight from the horse's mouth. So it's official now.

[blueblueblue]

This is good news... Superman Returns lacked the all necessary heart any Superman story requires. When you read a Superman story, it makes you feel like a kid again and nowhere in Superman Returns did I feel like I was six. You know, Singer is great and all, but from what I've seen, he can only tackle certain themes and hope isn't one of them. I'll be glad when they announce that Singer is off the project and some other credible director signs on. The movie, in part, failed because it didn't have a good villain or used the villain correctly (Spacey's Luthor was just too... Silver Age-ish). I feel that any recognizable superhero needs a good villain to make its movie successful; other unrecognizable superheroes, not so much. The curiosity of a new hero is enough for a success (i.e. Iron Man). But we're talking about Superman here! Anyways, with all the advances in CGI, a more action packed Supes movie should've been made.

Still, like many of you, the "dark" comments concern me. However, if the project is run by people who respect Superman, I can see it working. Superman doesn't necessarily have to be dark, but what he has to struggle with can. It'd be a nice contrast too; we have the burning ray of hope on one side and the crippling shadow of despair on the other. Hopefully, we can see some of his bigger, darker baddies come to the big screen (I'm looking at you Darkseid).

[JaD]

A lot of people may be pessimistic about a reboot. I would have liked to see a sequel to SR because I think the movie gets a bad rap when its not as bad as everyone makes it out to be. Unfortunately that ship has sailed and it seems like ultimately singer might have been to blame for it. I really don't see how it can be screwed up this time around. A reboot allows them to really fix all the complaints that people had with SR. Its nice to see more or less everyone on the same page.
They can fix all those problems with a prequel, that's what I'd like to see.

[solidsnake86]

Thats very true. Ultimately I think thats why they are choosing to reboot it because it could always be seen as a prequel to SR even if they change the cast. At this point though there is absolutely no news on whats going on so regardless of what they said there is no movie anytime soon.

[JaD]

I think they can take whatever direction they want to once they get a prequel/"reintroduction" made. (With Brandon still onboard at least)

After everything is established like they want to in the next film, then they can choose to continue off SR or not. They don't have to and I wouldn't be so mad about it. But I mean I still felt like Singer was planning to speed things up with the next film. He's not even getting a chance for that, it's upsetting. He's a great filmmaker.

[solidsnake86]

There's no doubt he is a great filmmaker and I would have liked to have seen where they would have taken it. Reading all the news though it really seems like singer brought about his own demise because if warners was planning to reboot why did they take this long to do it. SIn

[JaD]

I don't know why SR was greenlit then in the first place, I mean honestly. Batman Begins was finished when Returns was about to be made right? Same studio, two major superheros, I don't know why they didn't take the same approach.

[JaD]

This weirds me out though with this whole recasting thing. If this Henry Cavill had been cast as Supes for SR, then we'd be in the same exact position right now, correct? I mean actors do what the scripts and stories ask for them to do. Brandon did exactly that, and a damn good job.

[SatEL]

I think they can take whatever direction they want to once they get a prequel/"reintroduction" made. (With Brandon still onboard at least)

After everything is established like they want to in the next film, then they can choose to continue off SR or not. They don't have to and I wouldn't be so mad about it. But I mean I still felt like Singer was planning to speed things up with the next film. He's not even getting a chance for that, it's upsetting. He's a great filmmaker.

Why would people want a prequel to a film they hated? Beside's Superman Returns already has a prequel its called STM. Oh unless Singer wants to remake that completly, this new film has nothing to do with SR and if WB are smart they will make sure it stays thats way.

[Mentok]

Steve from SaveSuperman.com says that things are moving forward quite quickly.



The man who claims so many different things that eventually something he says turns out half true?

[Timstuff]

Why would people want a prequel to a film they hated? Beside's Superman Returns already has a prequel its called STM. Oh unless Singer wants to remake that completly, this new film has nothing to do with SR and if WB are smart they will make sure it stays thats way.

Singer would never remake STM, because that would be slaughtering his sacred cow.

[CGHulk]

Singer would never remake STM, because that would be slaughtering his sacred cow.
He already did, it's called Superman Returns!

[SatEL]

He already did, it's called Superman Returns!

Vague sequel baby vague sequel.

[SatEL]

Singer would never remake STM, because that would be slaughtering his sacred cow.

Well there is so much faping left to still do to STM, heck remaking it would be like the ultimate fap session.

[JaD]

Why would people want a prequel to a film they hated? Beside's Superman Returns already has a prequel its called STM. Oh unless Singer wants to remake that completly, this new film has nothing to do with SR and if WB are smart they will make sure it stays thats way.
Because you can do alot with a prequel, or prequels. Not very hard to understand.

[ColorfulKrypton]

what a joke!lol it Will not be A prequel to SR we already had it in 1978!lol! TOTAL REBOOT!

[JaD]

This has to be the most harsh collection of "Superman" fans. :huh:

[SatEL]

Because you can do alot with a prequel, or prequels. Not very hard to understand.

Not really its extremly limited due to its connection to STM and Superman 2 unless you want them to act like those never happened.

[I Am The Knight]

what a joke!lol it Will not be A prequel to SR we already had it in 1978!lol! TOTAL REBOOT!

I knew you wouldn't get very far :hehe:

[Showtime]

At least somebody took care of it so I wouldn't have to.

[Spade]

I'm not interested in prequels. I know what it eventually leads up to, and for all the effort of a prequel they could easily recreate Superman into a character people actually want to go pay $10 to see the adventures of. Routh didn't seem to have the charisma required for the role of Superman; I was only impressed by the Clark Kent portrayl, and that's because he's supposed to be awkward. I'm not going to rally behind a prequel on a brief hope that the former model suddenly pulls through.

[FlawlessVictory]

They can fix all those problems with a prequel, that's what I'd like to see.

I think they can take whatever direction they want to once they get a prequel/"reintroduction" made. (With Brandon still onboard at least)

After everything is established like they want to in the next film, then they can choose to continue off SR or not. They don't have to and I wouldn't be so mad about it. But I mean I still felt like Singer was planning to speed things up with the next film. He's not even getting a chance for that, it's upsetting. He's a great filmmaker.

Singer may be a great filmmaker but he is still completely wrong for Superman. I don't care if he is responsible for the next 10 Best Picture winners at the Oscars, he will always be wrong for Superman.

And a prequel is a terrible idea. A prequel to a movie that necessitated a reboot to begin with? Makes no sense. WB feels SR2 is not worth making because of where SR left them, why would they think they would be any better off with a prequel to SR? :huh:

We finally have a chance to break free from the Donner/Singer universe and do something completely fresh and exciting on film with Superman, yet some people are still so stuck in the past they can't look past the Donner influence. It's mind boggling. We will always have the Donner film but damn, lets stop living in the past and try something new on film for once with Superman! Here is our chance, finally, after Singer blew it, lets take advantage of it.

[Bulletproof]

Terrific post Flawless. Very logical.

[VenomsMom]

Lol....wouldnt a prequel to SR be the Donner films. What exactly do you expect a prequel to accomplish. Watching him leave earth and the love of his life? Confused face.

[VenomsMom]

Because you can do alot with a prequel, or prequels. Not very hard to understand.
Please enlighten us....Where would you start? What would you do?

[Bulletproof]

I think Star Wars taught us that prequels don't really work.

[VenomsMom]

All I know is they are not interested in doing a Prequel sequel spinoff or any such thing to SR. And i am glad.

[SatEL]

I think Star Wars taught us that prequels don't really work.
Despite that Star wars had a strong base to build on, people actually gave a **** about Vaders history and his turn to the dark side.

[Spade]

I think Star Wars taught us that prequels don't really work.

They do at times, and with the Star Wars saga it should've been easy. But, as most of us know by now, Lucas' ideas have gone rancid since last we saw the original trilogy...

[Bulletproof]

Too true.

[JaD]

Singer may be a great filmmaker but he is still completely wrong for Superman. I don't care if he is responsible for the next 10 Best Picture winners at the Oscars, he will always be wrong for Superman.

And a prequel is a terrible idea. A prequel to a movie that necessitated a reboot to begin with? Makes no sense. WB feels SR2 is not worth making because of where SR left them, why would they think they would be any better off with a prequel to SR?

We finally have a chance to break free from the Donner/Singer universe and do something completely fresh and exciting on film with Superman, yet some people are still so stuck in the past they can't look past the Donner influence. It's mind boggling. We will always have the Donner film but damn, lets stop living in the past and try something new on film for once with Superman! Here is our chance, finally, after Singer blew it, lets take advantage of it.
Please enlighten us....Where would you start? What would you do?
The way I see it, WB wants to reintroduce the character. Do that with the next film, origin story, all of that good stuff, a "prequel" which is almost in a sense what we are getting (I mean Incredible Hulk felt like a sequel anyways since it started in Brazil). It doesn't have to be a Donner film like everyone here seems to simply hate, I'd certainly enjoy seeing a different approach as well. I know alot of people want to see an alien villain too right? If that's necessary go for it. I think you can really explore alot with that, and then what happens with the 5 years that he is gone, and once that is established we have a new Superman universe and go from there. I was expecting the next Superman film to be more exciting and sped up. But they don't care about good films, they care about money. SR was no Batman & Robin, Ghost Rider, or Elektra. It was a good film and well recieved. The whole wait for the next film is what really got people's gears going, if work was already moving forward on this next film or if it was already finished we'd be anticipating it, not making posts like "OMGZ Henry Cavill 4 SUPES!!!" "ZANE for LUTHOR!!!1 Then noone would really care for trying to explore his origin story again, unless they had orginally wished for it in Returns.

I mean honestly, I'm getting a slight feeling that most of you will hardly even enjoy the next Superman film because of how much it different their intending it to be compared to the comics, at least. A Superman film is clearly a difficult thing to do, just like you said Flawless with the "Donner universe" especially (it's so true it's scary almost), but starting from scratch doesn't seem necessary at all to me. You can work around this I think without making a huge move that will hurt a huge amount of Superman fans in general. My friend has literally been in tears when she heard of the news and just disgusted that Robinov can contradict his orginal statements on SR so widely. It's like they were wearing sleep masks when picking the script for the Superman film. Then 3 years later, "No sorry, I know I said the film was good and everything, but no let's just cast someone else and do it all over again" I think people's only real problem with this Superman gig is that a sequel isn't in post-production right now.

[Spade]

The issue with Superman Returns is not whether it was a good film. On a technical level it was pretty good- bad CGI at times, but still very competent. But that's not the issue here. The issue is whether this Superman hit the same note with people that the Batman in Batman Begins did. Domestically, the reboot from Batman & Robin was a success. In comparison to the budget, the confusing Superman pseudo-reboot got a lukewarm reception. It made enough to justify the one film. But the word of mouth is not positive about it. When studios want to make a sequel or even a prequel, it's a combination of the two: word of mouth and (usually) the domestic reception. With underperformance in the character's place of origin and middling public reaction, it should be no surprise why the WB is taking a step back and wondering if all the faith they placed in Singer was misguided.

On a last note, people don't want an infinite amount of prequels. Eventually, a sequel will have to be done. Even the Metal Gear Solid series recognized this- only one prequel done as a break within the main story, to help people get over the second game. After that, it finished with a sequel to the ongoing story. Returns would have a tough time doing that even with a well-received prequel. Thus, the chances that the WB will be able to make a franchise of their biggest name become less and less feasible if they want to follow through with anything involving the last one.

[FlawlessVictory]

The way I see it, WB wants to reintroduce the character. Do that with the next film, origin story, all of that good stuff, a "prequel" which is almost in a sense what we are getting

No, a prequel is nothing like what we would be getting. Is Batman Begins a prequel to Batman 89? No. And that's what a lot of people here want. We want our own Batman Begins for this franchise in the sense that it is a completely different continuity from the Donner/Singer universe. No more frozen wasteland Krypton with old white people in gowns. No more lame real estate Lex and no more bumbling Clark. And most importantly no movie that takes place before SR because SR must be wiped from existence in this continuity. That's the whole point. To start a franchise that has absolutely no baggage one way or another.

It was a good film and well recieved. The whole wait for the next film is what really got people's gears going

Really, which people? On here? Sure for some people but the movie did more to polarize the fanbase (going just by on SHH) than it did to unite the fanbase in anticipation for further adventures from Singer.

if work was already moving forward on this next film or if it was already finished we'd be anticipating it, not making posts like "OMGZ Henry Cavill 4 SUPES!!!" "ZANE for LUTHOR!!!1

:huh: How do you know this? Like I said, this movie polarized the fanbase on here. So many of us on here have negative interest in seeing anymore of the Maury Povich who's your daddy drama. And a lot of us could care less about any of the characters for that matter because of how terribly they were written. I disliked every character in that film with the exception of Richard. That's pretty sad when I go to a superhero movie and I don't even like the superhero himself. So, no, I and others would not be anticipating this sequel if it was already done. And this whole mentality that I see sometimes, about, "oh just add more action and a supervillain and some punches thrown and that solves everything!!!!" WRONG! Again, just adding action fixes nothing for me because of how much I disliked how the characters were written from SR. These problems run deeper than just adding action and a supervillain.

Then noone would really care for trying to explore his origin story again, unless they had orginally wished for it in Returns.

I wanted a new origin movie once I heard a new Superman film was being done back when Singer was brought on board. Donner's movie is not the end all and be all for me. It's incredibly dated. So much more can be done now.

I mean honestly, I'm getting a slight feeling that most of you will hardly even enjoy the next Superman film because of how much it different their intending it to be compared to the comics, at least.

We have no script writers, how do you know how different the film will be from the comics? :huh:

A Superman film is clearly a difficult thing to do, just like you said Flawless with the "Donner universe" especially (it's so true it's scary almost), but starting from scratch doesn't seem necessary at all to me.

You can work around this I think without making a huge move that will hurt a huge amount of Superman fans in general. My friend has literally been in tears when she heard of the news and just disgusted that Robinov can contradict his orginal statements on SR so widely. It's like they were wearing sleep masks when picking the script for the Superman film. Then 3 years later, "No sorry, I know I said the film was good and everything, but no let's just cast someone else and do it all over again" I think people's only real problem with this Superman gig is that a sequel isn't in post-production right now.

I take it your friend is primarily a Routh fan first then, and perhaps a Superman fan a very distant second. If one is a Superman fan first, they should be willing to give this new movie a shot. We have yet to hear the story since it has not been written yet! So lets at least hear the story before we start panicking. If you hear elements of it you don't like or you hear casting that you dislike then by all means let your feelings about it be known. But this crying over there being no SR2 and us getting a reboot is absurd. Sounds like an obsessive Routh fan which is scary.

[hippie_hunter]

Granted that this is Steve from SaveSuperman, I found this post of his to be rather interesting:

Okay...I've got good news and not so good news...

I woke up to a couple email responses to what I sent out yesterday after seeing the video.

I'll never say someone stole ideas from this site as I know I wasn't the only person thinking of a trilogy or that filming back to back to back would be the most profitable and by making everything public, it would be my own fault anyway if they did. I also know Brainiac is not an original idea that I thought of. I can say with complete certainty, studio execs have seen nearly everything posted here and discussed different aspects with a handful of prospective directors and writers.

On that note, WB has made their decision on what they're going to do and they are already negotiating a deal with who will be used. Unfortunately, that means we won't be able to give our pitch any longer because it would be a moot point. Instead, and I've briefly discussed this with Phil who has been doing artwork, we're going to turn our story into a graphic novel and see if DC want's it.

I'm not upset about being snubbed without them hearing what I have to say. Oh who am I kidding. Yes I am. I worked hard on this. You all have shown so much support for what I was doing too. At least the main goal of ousting Singer was accomplised so it's not a total bust.

[Spade]

It's interesting, but given all of the false starts the previous project went through I think it's safe to say this might be the first of many deals.

[I Am The Knight]

Granted that this is Steve from SaveSuperman, I found this post of his to be rather interesting:

Surely he didn't expect WB to let them anywhere near their offices... :hehe:

But I guess this means things are moving rather quickly? WB's next Superman announcement cannot come soon enough.

[BATZARRO WWD]

http://fc04.deviantart.com/fs36/i/2008/243/9/4/Dark_Superman__anyone__by_Batzarro.jpg


Artists conception of a dark Superman...

[JaD]

No, a prequel is nothing like what we would be getting. Is Batman Begins a prequel to Batman 89? No. And that's what a lot of people here want. We want our own Batman Begins for this franchise in the sense that it is a completely different continuity from the Donner/Singer universe. No more frozen wasteland Krypton with old white people in gowns. No more lame real estate Lex and no more bumbling Clark. And most importantly no movie that takes place before SR because SR must be wiped from existence in this continuity. That's the whole point. To start a franchise that has absolutely no baggage one way or another.Superman III & IV were wiped from existence in continuity when Returns was made, we wiped all that baggage out when the film came out. I thought that was a main priority when they were making the film. Wiping Superman Returns off the slate is just "Wow" to me, Superman I, II, III, IV, Returns, (few years later) Superman Again Fresh. Alot of **** has hit the fan recently and maybe I'm just overreacting, but sometimes I don't know if those guys at WB are playing solitaire in their offices instead of paying attention to what films are being greenlit. Really, which people? On here? Sure for some people but the movie did more to polarize the fanbase (going just by on SHH) than it did to unite the fanbase in anticipation for further adventures from Singer. I've always had the feeling that the longer everyone had been waiting for another Superman film, the more they hated Returns. It may be silly or dumb, but the hate for Superman Returns has always amazed me I guess, considering how well received it was when it came out. And how Routh in particular was praised with yes, the script that he was given.

:huh: How do you know this? Like I said, this movie polarized the fanbase on here. So many of us on here have negative interest in seeing anymore of the Maury Povich who's your daddy drama. And a lot of us could care less about any of the characters for that matter because of how terribly they were written. I disliked every character in that film with the exception of Richard. That's pretty sad when I go to a superhero movie and I don't even like the superhero himself. So, no, I and others would not be anticipating this sequel if it was already done. And this whole mentality that I see sometimes, about, "oh just add more action and a supervillain and some punches thrown and that solves everything!!!!" WRONG! Again, just adding action fixes nothing for me because of how much I disliked how the characters were written from SR. These problems run deeper than just adding action and a supervillain.
I have my problems with SR too, mainly Jason. Even I didn't enjoy seeing Superman having a kid in the movie. I can agree with you in that some characters were poorly written, and especially alot of the cut footage that didn't help very much either. It's not getting a chance which is disappointing, that is all.

That mentality seemed to have worked "brilliantly" for The Incredible Hulk though, that's why they made the reboot right? Or was it the box office numbers, or the killed franchise, or the ice skates popping out of the heroes' shoes? '03 Hulk was a deep character study and fans wanted the good stuff, SR seemed to have tried that, and now, are we getting the same treatment and shooting for more fast paced thrills? You seem to be one that would enjoy a deep film which explores the hero within while putting action second. Are you hoping for that in the next film?
I wanted a new origin movie once I heard a new Superman film was being done back when Singer was brought on board. Donner's movie is not the end all and be all for me. It's incredibly dated. So much more can be done now.I guess you should blame Smallville then for not doing an origin story in SR. :cwink:
We have no script writers, how do you know how different the film will be from the comics? :huh:
I'm mainly coming off the comments from WB regarding where the franchise is headed. I know they haven't said alot, but with all the Superman I've seen in my life, film, comics, tv shows, is it not normal to be nervous about what their plans are?
I take it your friend is primarily a Routh fan first then, and perhaps a Superman fan a very distant second. If one is a Superman fan first, they should be willing to give this new movie a shot. We have yet to hear the story since it has not been written yet! So lets at least hear the story before we start panicking. If you hear elements of it you don't like or you hear casting that you dislike then by all means let your feelings about it be known. But this crying over there being no SR2 and us getting a reboot is absurd. Sounds like an obsessive Routh fan which is scary.
Flip those two around first, then you've got it down perfectly. :cwink: Superman is her heart. Don't need to tell how much she's loved him all her life. But like her, I'm mainly just incredibly disappointed how everything turned out. She's also a huge supporter of Routh as well, like me obviously. And it just seems so wrong to recast at this point. Getting cast as Superman is huge and he has to get the boot now because WB was playing DDR while drafts of the script were being passed around? I'm clearly one of the lone people on here who actually enjoyed Superman Returns though (seeing it 3 times in theaters) but I'm just worried about the franchise and other superheros films in the future as well. Batman & Superman are some of the biggest ones out there, "reboot" after 3 years is unsettling to hear with this franchise when it is clearly up there at the top of the comic book pyramid.

[regwec]

Rebooting a franchise after a movie that was "fair" to "good" is a difficult enterprise, really. I think that SR was basically unferwhelming, however. Routh put in a decent performance, and he held up some kind of mirror to Reeve. But Bosworth was a weak link who was made the crux of the narrative, the kid was a massive mistake, and the notion of regurgitating Hackman's Lex was misguided. I mean, who would have told Heath Ledger that he had to impersonate Jack Nicholson? A strange decision.

A spring clean is a good idea, but they shoudln't throw out the baby with the bathwater. Use a fresh cast and crew, make Metropolis a more forbodin place than before, but absolutely do not subvert Superman's integrity.

[FlawlessVictory]

More from Steve:

All I can say is that the director I'm told about is very well known, has worked with WB on more than one project, and should make most fans happy. I have no idea if this is the director that is linked to Mark Millar though. I do know that the idea of filming a trilogy as an epic that spans three films has been well received by most involved. So it would seem had we been able to make our pitch, it wouldn't have been laughed out of the building.

[Mandrill]

Way I see it Wb struggled for years trying to continue to the Superman movie franchise.Various idea's were rejected by the fans and there seemed to be a kind of arrogance of writes to put thier own stamp on Superman by adding things or changing characters....I'm thinking of the J.J Abrams script here.

They also seemed hampered by the success of the Donner movies so when Singer off the back of 2 comic book movie hits pitched them an idea to continue the series they jumped at the chance.From what I recall the the idea was Superman left for a while and the movie would deal with how the world would take to him returning.

Unfortuantly this wasn't the movie we got ,the only person effected by Superman leaving was Lois for obvious reasons...Jason.Everyone else quickly adjusted to him returning.

Instead of furthing the Donner movies it retreaded old ground to the point of resuing dialouge as a homage to them.The adding of Jason was Singer like previous writes/directors feeling like they wanted to add something of thier own to Superman.

I don't think movies should be exactly like the comic's some things will just work better on paper than they do in live action and visa versa but somethings should stay the same and the Jason addition was just a plain bad idea.Quickly followed by using an outdated Luthor persona.

So for me SR ends the Donner movies ..badly.I think after the success of Nolan with Batman that WB will have go in a new and better direction for Superman using a similar template.

[Billy Batson]

Hey can someone help me out here but hasn't Superman been Reintroduced week in and week out for the past 7 years on the WB and CW? :huh:

[Timstuff]

More from Steve:

Now that has me curious. Anyone care to take a guess at who it might be?

[Timstuff]

Hey can someone help me out here but hasn't Superman been Reintroduced week in and week out for the past 7 years on the WB and CW? :huh:

This is not Smallville: The Movie. What part of "reboot" do the Wemmings not understand?

[BATZARRO WWD]

Look, here. The thing is Batman Forever made more money than Batman Returns, so Warner didn't expect the backlash of the Forever to translate into failiure for a fourth film. But, hey, for what it's worth, them suits at Warner seem to be catching on, somewhat. Suckering the audiences into a movie then disapointing them leads to big loss, rather than big earnings.

Restarting Batman with a different take(rather than sequelizing B&R, wich WAS in plans) not only rejuvenated the franchise, but has lead into some better money than if they'd sequelized further.

This is why I think a vague sequel to Superman 2 was wrong, this is why I think a Superman Returns sequel is a bad idea. Of course they could was potential for a Returns sequel. And there was potential for a Batman and Robin Sequel. But if you know it caused malcontent, if you know it didn't make the money it was meant to do, making a sequel is not the way to go. Because it just leads to more frustration for everyone. Get a clean slate. Ignore conventions of previous movies and just plain work from the character up, not from other movies up.

[FlawlessVictory]

Hey can someone help me out here but hasn't Superman been Reintroduced week in and week out for the past 7 years on the WB and CW? :huh:

No. Can you answer me something? What happens on that show when Clark decides he is to be Superman. Everyone and their grandmother has seen Clark without his glasses on. He can't be Superman on that show without everyone recognizing him. Unless he plans on wearing glasses when he becomes Superman? :huh:

[Timstuff]

No. Can you answer me something? What happens on that show when Clark decides he is to be Superman. Everyone and their grandmother has seen Clark without his glasses on. He can't be Superman on that show without everyone recognizing him. Unless he plans on wearing glasses when he becomes Superman? :huh:

^ LOL!

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[FlawlessVictory]

Now that has me curious. Anyone care to take a guess at who it might be?

It has to be someone who has delivered a hit for the studio recently but it is not that high profile, that way WB can excercise some measure of control over him if they wanted to. Francis Lawrence is the first person to pop in my head.

Edit: Maybe a bit of a longshot but Edward Zwick? He directed Blood Diamond and The Last Samurai and WB was the distributor for both films. But he doesn't seem to be one to work under any kind of creative control.

[FlawlessVictory]

^ LOL!

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[BenReilly]

No. Can you answer me something? What happens on that show when Clark decides he is to be Superman. Everyone and their grandmother has seen Clark without his glasses on. He can't be Superman on that show without everyone recognizing him. Unless he plans on wearing glasses when he becomes Superman? :huh:

This is what the creator of Smallville himself said about your question:

http://tv.ign.com/articles/807/807975p1.html

When a fan asked the question of how it's possible for Lex and Lois to know Clark so well without his glasses and then not recognize him as Superman in later years, Gough smiled and said that since the show won't ever show Clark in his costumed years, "Thankfully, that's a question we don't have to answer!"

[Timstuff]

It has to be someone who has delivered a hit for the studio recently but it is not that high profile, that way WB can excercise some measure of control over him if they wanted to. Francis Lawrence is the first person to pop in my head.

Edit: Maybe a bit of a longshot but Edward Zwick? He directed Blood Diamond and The Last Samurai and WB was the distributor for both films. But he doesn't seem to be one to work under any kind of creative control.

Francis Lawrence would be interesting seeing as there were a lot of DC superhero references hidden throughout I am Legend (some of which were in plain sight).

[FlawlessVictory]

This is what the creator of Smallville himself said about your question:

http://tv.ign.com/articles/807/807975p1.html

I've seen that before and it's a total cop out and incredibly weak. That quote is exactly why "Smallville" can never be taken seriously, IMO.

[FlawlessVictory]

Francis Lawrence would be interesting seeing as there were a lot of DC superhero references hidden throughout I am Legend (some of which were in plain sight).

I only caught the "Batman vs Superman" poster. What else was there?

The more I think about it, the more I really think it will be him that gets the gig.

[VenomsMom]

The way I see it, WB wants to reintroduce the character. Do that with the next film, origin story, all of that good stuff, a "prequel" which is almost in a sense what we are getting (I mean Incredible Hulk felt like a sequel anyways since it started in Brazil). It doesn't have to be a Donner film like everyone here seems to simply hate, I'd certainly enjoy seeing a different approach as well. I know alot of people want to see an alien villain too right? If that's necessary go for it. I think you can really explore alot with that, and then what happens with the 5 years that he is gone, and once that is established we have a new Superman universe and go from there. I was expecting the next Superman film to be more exciting and sped up. But they don't care about good films, they care about money. SR was no Batman & Robin, Ghost Rider, or Elektra. It was a good film and well recieved. The whole wait for the next film is what really got people's gears going, if work was already moving forward on this next film or if it was already finished we'd be anticipating it, not making posts like "OMGZ Henry Cavill 4 SUPES!!!" "ZANE for LUTHOR!!!1 Then noone would really care for trying to explore his origin story again, unless they had orginally wished for it in Returns.

I mean honestly, I'm getting a slight feeling that most of you will hardly even enjoy the next Superman film because of how much it different their intending it to be compared to the comics, at least. A Superman film is clearly a difficult thing to do, just like you said Flawless with the "Donner universe" especially (it's so true it's scary almost), but starting from scratch doesn't seem necessary at all to me. You can work around this I think without making a huge move that will hurt a huge amount of Superman fans in general. My friend has literally been in tears when she heard of the news and just disgusted that Robinov can contradict his orginal statements on SR so widely. It's like they were wearing sleep masks when picking the script for the Superman film. Then 3 years later, "No sorry, I know I said the film was good and everything, but no let's just cast someone else and do it all over again" I think people's only real problem with this Superman gig is that a sequel isn't in post-production right now.
These people who run these studios are running a bussiness and they have investors who put money up to finance these films so far be it from us to think they want their product to be successful and turn a profit but that doesnt mean they dont want a good product to attract the masses. SR left many of us split. People have been very vocal about their feelings for it. WB may have felt the same way behind closed doors. After weighing all the options they finally made a decision to reintroduce him. They want to distance him from SR as they felt the character was not positioned appropriately and I certainly agree. There are some things introduced in SR that has to be addressed unlike Hulk who I would say is nothing close to the level of Supes. More action and superpowered villains will solve nothing. And if they want to distance themselves from a highly controversial film why bring the cast back and everyone involved for a prequel. How the hell is that going to be more action packed and fast paced? If we are going to go through that much trouble why not just reboot? And for some of these people on these boards to claim that they will never see another Supes film because Singer and Routh wont be back is ridiculous. You cant judge anything when it is completely nonexistant and totally based on nothing at this point. There is no director actor or story so why criticize. I can understand anyone being upset with this move but after 2 years this is the decision they made so there is nothing to do but discuss the possiblities of a superhero everyone who comes on these boards adore and admire. We are all fans.....I hope......of supes first and he has always deserved a new relaunch for the new millenium with no baggage and ideas from a 30year old films. Superman at the very least.....the original superhero who set the standard for them all......deserves that opportunity.

[FlawlessVictory]

These people who run these studios are running a bussiness and they have investors who put money up to finance these films so far be it from us to think they want their product to be successful and turn a profit but that doesnt mean they dont want a good product to attract the masses. SR left many of us split. People have been very vocal about their feelings for it. WB may have felt the same way behind closed doors. After weighing all the options they finally made a decision to reintroduce him. They want to distance him from SR as they felt the character was not positioned appropriately and I certainly agree. There are some things introduced in SR that has to be addressed unlike Hulk who I would say is nothing close to the level of Supes. More action and superpowered villains will solve nothing. And if they want to distance themselves from a highly controversial film why bring the cast back and everyone involved for a prequel. How the hell is that going to be more action packed and fast paced? If we are going to go through that much trouble why not just reboot? And for some of these people on these boards to claim that they will never see another Supes film because Singer and Routh wont be back is ridiculous. You cant judge anything when it is completely nonexistant and totally based on nothing at this point. There is no director actor or story so why criticize. I can understand anyone being upset with this move but after 2 years this is the decision they made so there is nothing to do but discuss the possiblities of a superhero everyone who comes on these boards adore and admire. We are all fans.....I hope......of supes first and he has always deserved a new relaunch for the new millenium with no baggage and ideas from a 30year old films. Superman at the very least.....the original superhero who set the standard for them all......deserves that opportunity.

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[Billy Batson]

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[JaD]

I totally feel like the bad guy sometimes.

[Mostpowerful]

weird: so the last poll on the front page of the site asked if you wanted a sueprman reboot or an SR sequel. a little over 50% wanted a reboot. now theres a poll on the front page asking who you'd want to direct the superman reboot, and in second place, just behind zack snyder (who doesnt want the job) is bryan singer.

p.s. eliza dushku would be awful for lois.

Why is it weird? Bryan Singer is in second place on that poll because A LOT of people thought he did a very good job with SR, myself included.

ARE YOU PAYING ATTENTION WB? A LOT OF PEOPLE WANT SINGER BACK TO DO HIS SEQUEL. Just looks at that poll.

Only Bryan Singer was able to take the Superman franchise out of a 19 year development hell. The man deserves another chance. He knows what to do in order to deliver a great sequel to SR. GIVE HIM A CHANCE, and most of all, BRING ROUTH BACK. He is Superman.:word:




I think they can take whatever direction they want to once they get a prequel/"reintroduction" made. (With Brandon still onboard at least)

After everything is established like they want to in the next film, then they can choose to continue off SR or not. They don't have to and I wouldn't be so mad about it. But I mean I still felt like Singer was planning to speed things up with the next film. He's not even getting a chance for that, it's upsetting. He's a great filmmaker.

I want a sequel. I loved SR and I see a lot of potential in it for an amazing sequel/sequels.



The man who claims so many different things that eventually something he says turns out half true?

Exactly

[batman44]

In terms of Singer being in second place on the poll you might have to consider that most of the SR fans would probably vote Singer while the reboot fans has a much wider choice in who they would want to direct. I was trying to decide whether I would pic Campbell, Jackson, Cameron, Speilberg, or Verbinski

[Mostpowerful]

I totally feel like the bad guy sometimes.

Nah, you're cool. :yay: LOVE the avvy.

[Timstuff]

Why is it weird? Bryan Singer is in second place on that poll because A LOT of people thought he did a very good job with SR, myself included.

ARE YOU PAYING ATTENTION WB? A LOT OF PEOPLE WANT SINGER BACK TO DO HIS SEQUEL. Just looks at that poll.

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Nice spin, but it doesn't change the fact that 88% of poll respondants said they did NOT want BS directing the next Superman movie.

[DieSmiling]

These people who run these studios are running a bussiness and they have investors who put money up to finance these films so far be it from us to think they want their product to be successful and turn a profit but that doesnt mean they dont want a good product to attract the masses. SR left many of us split. People have been very vocal about their feelings for it. WB may have felt the same way behind closed doors. After weighing all the options they finally made a decision to reintroduce him. They want to distance him from SR as they felt the character was not positioned appropriately and I certainly agree. There are some things introduced in SR that has to be addressed unlike Hulk who I would say is nothing close to the level of Supes. More action and superpowered villains will solve nothing. And if they want to distance themselves from a highly controversial film why bring the cast back and everyone involved for a prequel. How the hell is that going to be more action packed and fast paced? If we are going to go through that much trouble why not just reboot? And for some of these people on these boards to claim that they will never see another Supes film because Singer and Routh wont be back is ridiculous. You cant judge anything when it is completely nonexistant and totally based on nothing at this point. There is no director actor or story so why criticize. I can understand anyone being upset with this move but after 2 years this is the decision they made so there is nothing to do but discuss the possiblities of a superhero everyone who comes on these boards adore and admire. We are all fans.....I hope......of supes first and he has always deserved a new relaunch for the new millenium with no baggage and ideas from a 30year old films. Superman at the very least.....the original superhero who set the standard for them all......deserves that opportunity.

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[I Am The Knight]

Hey can someone help me out here but hasn't Superman been Reintroduced week in and week out for the past 7 years on the WB and CW? :huh:

You are beyond help.

No. Can you answer me something? What happens on that show when Clark decides he is to be Superman. Everyone and their grandmother has seen Clark without his glasses on. He can't be Superman on that show without everyone recognizing him. Unless he plans on wearing glasses when he becomes Superman? :huh:

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/631/supermanglassespn3.jpg

:hehe:

[Lighthouse]

^ LOL!

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I found it really sad that all the pictures I think he looks like Superman are the ones of him not in the movie. He looks really good in all of the street candids of him, but in the movie he's got so much make-up and hair gel it looks ridiculous.

[bgshw44]

i cant believe the origional change was cut, but then again i cant understand anything they were doing in the editing room for coloring to the editing of the film itself. I hope they come out with the full cut on dvd so i can make my own cut of the movie

[FlawlessVictory]

Nice spin, but it doesn't change the fact that 88% of poll respondants said they did NOT want BS directing the next Superman movie.

LOL, glad someone pointed that out.

[dark_b]

watching SR today it doesnt look like a movie that was set to be part of a trilogy. or a franchise. looked to me like the move is over and thats it.

you had a 3 movie plan? where was the tease at the end of SR?

[dark_b]

It truly works better as a stand alone movie, and it's great we're getting another franchise that'll be taken seriously. To think...all it took was Nolan making a Batman movie that broke all kinds of records for this to happen...
its always batman that gets WB moving. it was the same in the 90's with Burton. thats why he was also the director.

[SatEL]

^ LOL!

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He looks awesome in this pic from his hair to the expression on his face, if I am recalling correctly this isnt the hair style he had in Returns right?

[dark_b]

He looks awesome in this pic from his hair to the expression on his face, if I am recalling correctly this isnt the hair style he had in Returns right?its from the movie set that was filmed. i think it is the same. maybe the lighting and the angle are making it different.

for a reboot i want a more natural curl. and more natural hair. it doesnt need to be 100% gel.

[Katsuro]

Nice spin, but it doesn't change the fact that 88% of poll respondants said they did NOT want BS directing the next Superman movie.

Talk about spin. That's a very, very skewed way to look at that. 88% of poll respondants did NOT say they didn't want Singer back for the next movie. I'm sure many of the people voting had more than once choice as to a possible director. Just because someone voted for Snyder doesn't mean they wouldn't also be perfectly fine with Singer doing it.

Now if this poll had asked who people DIDNT want to direct the movie, and Singer got 88%, then you might have a point.

[Superfreak]

It boggles the mind that now people are suggesting WB just do a prequel to SR. For what, so what we can just hold onto Routh? I can't believe what I'm reading. So after this prequel we can still look foward to the entire story of SR? Lame real estate Lex, Bosworth as Lois, Jason etc... Why would WB do a prequel to a movie that polarized the fanbase to begin with and forced WB to go the reboot direction?

Some people really have to let go. This next Superman film will have absolutely nothing to do with SR. It won't be a sequel, it won't be a prequel and it won't put SR in some sort of vague history . There will no connections to SR. This will be a fresh story started from a slate that has been completely wiped clean. The way it should be.

my main point, and what I was getting at is this: WB does not have a good track record with superhero movies. Recent success does not mean that they have solved the problem of making 'good' superhero movies. They may have had great success.

But with a reboot, comes added risk that WB will mess it up even worse than they did with SR. Hence Why I'm leaning in the direction I am.

Yes, we are getting a reboot, which would solve all the problems that happened in SR... but this reboot is being made by the same people (when I'm talking makers, I'm talking the about the ***** with the $$$$). How can you guys be so excited? Yeah, Singer is gone, what about the other 10 hollywood Nazis who also had a hand in SR? JP for one.

I think now that the reboot is on, we now also have a higher chance of getting an even worse movie than we just got: That is what I'm worried about,,, and why I'm stretching out into the forbidden 're-quel' zone. And I can just see it now, they'll push for welling and an SV connection. It's just such a risk.

Reboot could be amazing... but given WB's record in the past, giving them a shot at another restart could result in a bastardization of the character that is unrecoverable... AKA, we're back at the beginning, with a wonderful property, and a film production company that has no idea who the character is.

[Kryptonian Warrior]

its from the movie set that was filmed. i think it is the same. maybe the lighting and the angle are making it different.

for a reboot i want a more natural curl. and more natural hair. it doesnt need to be 100% gel.
Plus the fact that he is looking in a mirror, thus everything is going to be opposite than what it really is, including the :super: on his chest.

[FlawlessVictory]

watching SR today it doesnt look like a movie that was set to be part of a trilogy. or a franchise. looked to me like the move is over and thats it.

you had a 3 movie plan? where was the tease at the end of SR?

You got it. Jason waving bye at the end. That didn't pump you up?

[FlawlessVictory]

my main point, and what I was getting at is this: WB does not have a good track record with superhero movies. Recent success does not mean that they have solved the problem of making 'good' superhero movies. They may have had great success.

But with a reboot, comes added risk that WB will mess it up even worse than they did with SR. Hence Why I'm leaning in the direction I am.

Yes, we are getting a reboot, which would solve all the problems that happened in SR... but this reboot is being made by the same people (when I'm talking makers, I'm talking the about the ***** with the $$$$). How can you guys be so excited? Yeah, Singer is gone, what about the other 10 hollywood Nazis who also had a hand in SR? JP for one.

JP is a producer in name only! He had absolutely nothing to do with SR. And yea I'm excited because of no more Singer and his writers and no more fanny kissing of Donner and his universe and real estate Lex and bumbling Clark. The possibilites that now exist are very exciting to me.

I think now that the reboot is on, we now also have a higher chance of getting an even worse movie than we just got: That is what I'm worried about,,, and why I'm stretching out into the forbidden 're-quel' zone. And I can just see it now, they'll push for welling and an SV connection. It's just such a risk.

Reboot could be amazing... but given WB's record in the past, giving them a shot at another restart could result in a bastardization of the character that is unrecoverable... AKA, we're back at the beginning, with a wonderful property, and a film production company that has no idea who the character is.

That bastardization of the character with events that were unrecoverable came with SR for me. Seems like some of you are afraid of the unknown, sure things can go bad but things can go very good. Much better than where SR was taking us. I look at the glass half full. I embrace what lies before us now because there is the possibility of so many great things that can be done without any baggage and without anything tieing the characters down.

[Billy Batson]

I can just see it now, they'll push for Welling and an SV connection. It's just such a risk.

I hope that you are right on that point, I disagree that it would be a risk though, no more so than SR was anyway.

:whatever: Please stop it with the SV connection crap, having him star as :supes: does not make the movie and the tv series one and the same. :cmad:

[JackBauer]

:whatever: Please stop it with the SV connection crap, having him star as :supes: does not make the movie and the tv series one and the same. :cmad:

I'm pretty sure Singer was thinking something like that when he thought of the concept of "vague sequel".

In the end, it confused some, annoyed others, and was ultimately unnecessary.

[sdc10]

That doesnt however mean the new director and script will be using SV as a "vague backstory". I hated the pseudo sequel idea cause a) it did not update superman as the movie should have, imo thats what made BB so great, and b) in the long run i just thought making it a sequel just limited them creatively in the long run in terms of sequels

[Spade]

I don't like the idea that the only way to go with this reboot is more of the same. Really, if you think only one person in the entire world can portray Superman when we've yet to even have a few other choices considered by the studio, you're being single-minded. Recognize this: single-mindedness? It's what got us in this situation in the first place. Think outside the box, folks.

[Ita-KalEl]

Superman is ready to return, I've seen it today at the Olimpico Stadium in Rome during the match Rome-Naples:

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/5200/img0029qz4.jpg

[Spade]

Are people booing him? Looks like they went to see Superman Returns...

[Ita-KalEl]

No, people were booing to Rome's second half :yay:

[bunk]

I do like the symbol on the back of his cape though. Looks better when it's not all yellow.

[romeogbs19]

I've been a little behind on the news so just read about this today.

All I can say for now is: "YAY!" I didn't enjoy SR at all (with the exception of the Williams theme) so good riddance to that storyline and its botched directions.

I have some doubts about the whole going dark trend with Superman, but I'll presume that the comic gurus at DC will enlighten the no-nothings at the WB so that any sense of darkness that is injected is more along the lines of the situations and dangers Superman faces versus his actual characterization.

I agree with the posters here that Superman is not the brooder; leave that to Batman. The last thing the WB should do is take all the DC characters and model them after Batman. Each character is distinguishable -- and tapping that difference is the key to success. SR was arguably too dark of a movie, anyways.

[Weadazoid]

A serious question


are they going to re-origin him as was the case with BB?

[nintendo nerd]

A serious question


are they going to re-origin him as was the case with BB?

That seems to be the plan

[nintendo nerd]

A serious question


are they going to re-origin him as was the case with BB?

That seems to be the plan

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I certainly hope they reorgin him.

[hippie_hunter]

Where have they said that they're going to re-origin Superman?

[SuperDaniel]

^Hopefully that is the plan. I'm tired of this Donner ass kissing and looking at S:TM as the Holy Grail of Superman stories. Just give me post-crisis Luthor and we're good to go. No more land BS! Donner and Singer ruined one of the greatest villains of all time...

SR was on TV today and my father was watching it. He's not as big comic book fan but he really liked Dark Knight. He thought SR was horrible and that Routh looks like Reeve but that's it. He also thought that the colors were horrible and way too dark. Plus he felt he was watching a CG animated movie because of the fake Superman flying around.

Thank god for the reboot, i say.

[JaD]

I certainly hope they reorgin him.
Is that a word?

:hehe: *grabs dictionary*

[X Knight]

i think that means.....retell the origin in a slightly updated manner......ala BB.

NOT drastically changing the origin........that would be a total mistake....

( say....wasn't there talk some time ago about DC thinking of "retooling" Superman's origin.....like making him even more alien????? )

[bunk]

When did they ever tell Batman's origin in the first place, beyond seeing his parents murdered?

[SuperDaniel]

Batman Mask of the phantasm, TAS...

[I Am The Knight]

Oh, and in the comics, too :hehe:

[JaD]

So I guess in the next movie we won't be getting the classic title sequence...:(

[SuperDaniel]

We'll get another classic tittle sequence.

[JaD]

Another classic title sequence, whew. I was getting worried. It probably won't even be a title sequence and like the Nolan's Batman and fast forward through it. :hehe: The bat and fire in TDK is classic to me too. I hope they do that in every other Batman movie made from now on. :bow:

[SuperDaniel]

Something like Superman: Doomsday would do the job...

[Weadazoid]

i think that means.....retell the origin in a slightly updated manner......ala BB.

NOT drastically changing the origin........that would be a total mistake....

( say....wasn't there talk some time ago about DC thinking of "retooling" Superman's origin.....like making him even more alien????? )




Well this is what I am wondering, in the orgional you had Zod and his crew going into the Phantam Zone. I am wondering if somehow they work in the villain at the beginning of this one as well.


I suppose they could work in Brainaick early as a advanced AI that tears the planet appart as it see Krytonians as some kind of threat. Though that would be a bit too simple.

[bunk]

Batman Mask of the phantasm, TAS...

Mask was great too, but how many people have seen that? Begins was the first movie we saw the origin, so it's not a "retelling" for most. Batman really required the origin.

Most people that know Superman's origin, know it from seeing the first movie. That could be a reason for both retelling the origin, or not retelling it.

[dark_b]

i am suprised. i will be honest. i am shocked.
i really thought that since they said ''re-introducing'' that there wont be a smallville fan who would say Welling. the reboot is happening.

but i was wrong. smallville fans have their own logic .

[Franklin Richards]

Well considering Smallville has made more money than Superman Returns, I'd cut the 'Ville fans some slack. They must be doing something right.


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[SatEL]

We'll get another classic tittle sequence.

Yes this generations title sequence.

[SatEL]

Well considering Smallville has made more money than Superman Returns, I'd cut the 'Ville fans some slack. They must be doing something right.


:thing: :doom: :thing:

Smallville is popular not because its doing Superman right but due to various factors in it that have no place in a Superman movie.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Where have they said that they're going to re-origin Superman?I said that I hope, I don't know anything.:whatever:

[Timstuff]

i am suprised. i will be honest. i am shocked.
i really thought that since they said ''re-introducing'' that there wont be a smallville fan who would say Welling. the reboot is happening.

but i was wrong. smallville fans have their own logic .

A few years ago, I was one of the worst Wellingites on this board... But then I found Jesus.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

^lol

[dark_b]

Smallville is popular not because its doing Superman right but due to various factors in it that have no place in a Superman movie.i agree. i think that at this time its making money because of other reasons.

[TheBatman1979]

Mask was great too, but how many people have seen that? Begins was the first movie we saw the origin, so it's not a "retelling" for most. Batman really required the origin.

Most people that know Superman's origin, know it from seeing the first movie. That could be a reason for both retelling the origin, or not retelling it.

I think a retelling of Superman's origin on film is necessary. I mean yeah S:TM did tell it, in 1978. Smallville told it...in it's own way. But there's an entire generation of kids that don't watch smallville and that haven't seen S:TM. I know!, I was shocked too! So I think if they do a complete reboot which is the plan, yeah do the origin so that you bring a whole new generation into the "know", as it were.

[Sam]

Mark Millar talks abou SUPERMAN TRILOGY:

http://forums.millarworld.tv/index.php?showtopic=83453

http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/tag/72/Fresh_Ink.html

[SuperDaniel]

He's going to to end up writing it...I just have this feeling...

From his mouth:
"The world can be dark, the threats can be terrifying, but Superman must remain Superman.

Trust me.

MM "

[TheBatman1979]

He's going to to end up writing it...I just have this feeling...

From his mouth:
"The world can be dark, the threats can be terrifying, but Superman must remain Superman.

Trust me.

MM "

I'm not sure how his exclusive contract with Marvel would effect a movie for a DC property.

[Crook]

From reading his posts on the forum, anyone else get the feeling he's definitely talking about Michael Bay?

[SuperDaniel]

Yeah...I don't think he would be such a bad idea. I mean...He makes this grand, epic, corny movies. Superman is all about that. LOL

[Crook]

The biggest criticism against Bay is his lack of development when it comes to the story or character. I think with someone like Millar behind the script, that should be completely handled.

I don't know, I'm aware there are several people against these 2, much less together....but I could get behind it.

[Crook]

...

[The Sage]

Mark Millar talks abou SUPERMAN TRILOGY:

http://forums.millarworld.tv/index.php?showtopic=83453

http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/tag/72/Fresh_Ink.html

Man, I hope he gets it. :up:

[Jochimus]

Eh, personally, Bay wouldn't exactly be the first person I'd go to to direct a Superman movie.

[I Am The Knight]

I'm not sure how I feel about Bay...With the right script he COULD do it...But it has to be a really good script, and he has to be able to let go of most of the juvenile, corny, idiotic humor he likes to embed his movies with. Superman is meant to be fun, just not stupid fun.

[SuperDaniel]

The biggest criticism against Bay is his lack of development when it comes to the story or character. I think with someone like Millar behind the script, that should be completely handled.

I don't know, I'm aware there are several people against these 2, much less together....but I could get behind it.
I feel the same.

[SuperDaniel]

Someone please tell MM to put LexCorp in this goddamn movie!!

[BenReilly]

From reading his posts on the forum, anyone else get the feeling he's definitely talking about Michael Bay?

I doubt it's Bay. Bay has been offered Superman many times pre-Singer and always turned it down. Why would he be lobbing for the job now? Especially when he's already attached to a huge franchise like Transformers.

[Crook]

Eh, personally, Bay wouldn't exactly be the first person I'd go to to direct a Superman movie.
Oh, I agree. But Bay has his advantages. He's arguably the best action director out right now. He can shoot 300 million-dollar looking movies for half that much. And more or less he knows how to make a high-octane film for the mainstream. In some ways, Bay is pretty ideal.

As I've noted before though, he NEEDS people around him to make sure that the script is good.

I'm not sure how I feel about Bay...With the right script he COULD do it...But it has to be a really good script, and he has to be able to let go of most of the juvenile, corny, idiotic humor he likes to embed his movies with. Superman is meant to be fun, just not stupid fun.
These additions were in the script, no? Millar sounds very passionate about this project so I doubt he'll take this as anything but serious.

[SuperDaniel]

Apparently Bay didn't like the script by JJ abrams. So, according to MM, the director is only doing if he writes it.

[Crook]

I doubt it's Bay. Bay has been offered Superman many times pre-Singer and always turned it down. Why would he be lobbing for the job now? Especially when he's already attached to a huge franchise like Transformers.
He was offered Superman, but turned it down to make 'The Island'. It wasn't a case of not being interested, but he wanted to pursue his own project first.

Besides, MM mentioned an American director who's a "big deal" in the states. Sure this could be someone else, but Bay fits the descriptor pretty well. Any other ideas for who it is?

[SuperDaniel]

Can someone post in those forums and just yell HENRY CAVILL FOR SUPERMAN? LOL

[Cousin Itt]

He's going to to end up writing it...I just have this feeling...

From his mouth:
"The world can be dark, the threats can be terrifying, but Superman must remain Superman.

Trust me.

MM "

I like what I hear.

I just hope Bay doesn't direct.

[SuperDaniel]

The problem with Bay was always the script. If Millar is writing, i dont think it will be an issue.

[Cousin Itt]

The problem with Bay was always the script. If Millar is writing, i dont think it will be an issue.

We can only hope.

[SuperDaniel]

I personally like Pearl Harbor and Transformers so i wouldn't get mad if he ends up directing it.

[bgshw44]

Bay would make an awesome superman film, he is my #1 choice

[The Batkilt]

I think this is where Warner Brothers really do have to decide what direction it is they wish to go down with Superman. Michael Bay's track record in the box office isn't bad, he's made crowd pleasers such as Bad Boys & Bad Boys II, Armageddon and Transformers. With The Island it seemed like he was moving inroads into trying to tell more of a story rather than focus on good action sequences, which I think most people would agree he's pretty good at. The only real blip on his CV is Pearl Harbour, but I'd say he's recovered from that by now, if it ever really had an effect on his career.

I think a lot will depend on the writer, like a few people have said. If Bay and Millar do get the nod and Millar can produce a good script, then I'm confident it'll actually turn out pretty good - cast notwithstanding at this point obviously.

If, however, they're looking for a film that can fit more easily as a 'mature' film rather than be bunched in as a 'comic book/superhero' movie then I'm not sure he is the right director.

[Showtime]

Didn't he pitch WB at least two or three times already in the past?

[Crook]

Yeah, completely agreed. If Bay is the director, and has a competent writer, I could see him making the Superman franchise akin to what Raimi/Spidey did in their peak years, or what Favreau/RDJ have done. Fun comic book films that were easily accessible to all audiences, and had mass appeal.

However, I do not think he is capable of raising the bar or even matching what Nolan has done with Batman, especially as of late. But admittedly that's really setting your aims high. And while Superman deserves good films, even I can say that the "safe" route is more than enough to reintroduce the character and make him incredibly popular again.

[Crook]

Yeah, completely agreed. If Bay is the director, and has a competent writer, I could see him making the Superman franchise akin to what Raimi/Spidey did in their peak years, or what Favreau/RDJ have done. Fun comic book films that were easily accessible to all audiences, and had mass appeal.

However, I do not think he is capable of raising the bar or even matching what Nolan has done with Batman, especially as of late. But admittedly that's really setting your aims high. And while Superman deserves good films, even I can say that the "safe" route is more than enough to reintroduce the character and make him incredibly popular again.

[bgshw44]

i think bay would be great, as well as abrahms, the thing i dont get however, is that SR was a serious mature film and look how that turned out, what tone exactly are they trying to hit?

[Ita-KalEl]

To me the most interesting part is when he says:

"We'll know very soon though because after the success of Dark Knight they don't want to waste any more time relaunching Superman."

[solidsnake86]

I think MM is more concerned about how to change the character to make him great and really superman doesn't need to be changed just written well. In terms of directors it really depends on what script their given so I would be fine with bay. Hate him all you want but he films amazing action sequences and lets be honest, transformers was never a deep concept so I don't know why people hate on that film.

[dark_b]

i dont like how he talked in the video.

he started to say that '' maybe starting next summer''. sorry but i need to know the name of the director. because it sounds like BS: he is saying that he is BIG.

[Sam]

Didn't he pitch WB at least two or three times already in the past?

At least once, yes. But i dunno if he actually pitch a scrit to WB or they just didnt hear his proposal at the time.

This was before Dark Knight be such a great hit, and before Wanted. And it was before this american director decide to go ahead with Millar.

So, a lot of things has changed since.

[Christmas]

I think Bay would be a pisspoor director for Superman and I hope it never happens.

I think quality along the lines of TDK is what should be strived for. I know there's a minuscule chance of MOS being as successful or as important, but the bigwigs at WB have said as much that TDK and the Nolan approach is going to be the standard operating procedure going forward. One would think they'd want assured and pitch-perfect directors to revive this wounded franchise.

IMO, Bay's action sequences in Transformers are more incoherent and messy than the fights in Batman Begins.

That guy can go screw. Anyone but Bay/Ratner/McG. One of those guys getting the job would be two steps back.

I'd take Cameron, Jackson, Bird, even Singer again, any day.

[Dark Knight]

Yeah, completely agreed. If Bay is the director, and has a competent writer, I could see him making the Superman franchise akin to what Raimi/Spidey did in their peak years, or what Favreau/RDJ have done. Fun comic book films that were easily accessible to all audiences, and had mass appeal.

However, I do not think he is capable of raising the bar or even matching what Nolan has done with Batman, especially as of late. But admittedly that's really setting your aims high. And while Superman deserves good films, even I can say that the "safe" route is more than enough to reintroduce the character and make him incredibly popular again.




Bay would need to try and stay disciplined and try to make the film completely epic and not cheesy....no rock music, no dumb one liners...he needs to try and make an oscar worthy film for once that has substance. I would rather see Snyder ahead of Bay direct a Superman film.

[Showtime]

At least once, yes. But i dunno if he actually pitch a scrit to WB or they just didnt hear his proposal at the time.

This was before Dark Knight be such a great hit, and before Wanted. And it was before this american director decide to go ahead with Millar.

So, a lot of things has changed since.

Not much has changed, he's still Mark Millar.

[Dark Knight]

I think Bay would be a pisspoor director for Superman and I hope it never happens.

I think quality along the lines of TDK is what should be strived for. I know there's a minuscule chance of MOS being as successful or as important, but the bigwigs at WB have said as much that TDK and the Nolan approach is going to be the standard operating procedure going forward. One would think they'd want assured and pitch-perfect directors to revive this wounded franchise.

IMO, Bay's action sequences in Transformers are more incoherent and messy than the fights in Batman Begins.

That guy can go screw. Anyone but Bay/Ratner/McG. One of those guys getting the job would be two steps back.

I'd take Cameron, Jackson, Bird, even Singer again, any day.


I agree. Transformers had the potential to be great, but it seems Bay refuses to want to be a great director. His films have no depth and no substance.

[Sam]

Not much has changed, he's still Mark Millar.

lol :)

[Jochimus]

he needs to try and make an oscar worthy film for once that has substance.

I'd worry more about getting a director willing to actually read a couple Superman comics and less about "Oscar-worthiness" and substance, especially if we have any hope of seeing any more super-powered slugfests in downtown Metropolis.

[Jordacar]

Bay would need to try and stay disciplined and try to make the film completely epic and not cheesy....no rock music, no dumb one liners...he needs to try and make an oscar worthy film for once that has substance. I would rather see Snyder ahead of Bay direct a Superman film.Yes indeed, all of which would kinda defeat the purpose of choosing Bay as director in the first place if he's not gonna bring all his Bay-isms along for the ride. He would be guaranteed to make a great-looking and action-packed Superman movie, but Superman deserves so much more.\

For some reason, the younger directors with something to prove (like Francis Lawrence) jump out at me more than veterans like Cameron or Jackson. This may go against most of what I just said, but one of my favorite choices is Gore Verbinski. A riskier choice to be sure, but I know he could handle the scale of it after Pirates 3. Martin Campbell too, especially after Casino Royale.

I'd also like to know more about what JJ Abrahms was going to do with his version. Is there anywhere I can read more about that?

[SuperDaniel]

I think MM is more concerned about how to change the character to make him great and really superman doesn't need to be changed just written well. In terms of directors it really depends on what script their given so I would be fine with bay. Hate him all you want but he films amazing action sequences and lets be honest, transformers was never a deep concept so I don't know why people hate on that film.
From his mouth:
"The world can be dark, the threats can be terrifying, but Superman must remain Superman.

Trust me.

MM "

[Spade]

Beast Wars was a deep concept, and anyone who says differently is typing with their buttcheeks.

If Bay and Millar end up doing this, I won't outright dismiss them. I'd rather let the product prove itself than judge based off of Bay's stigma or Millar's writing (mind you, I'm not a fan of either person).

[bgshw44]

i dont see what your guys problem is with Bay, his movies do exactly what they are suppose to do. I think you need a big name action director like him along with a very very solid cast to send some juice into this thing

[TheBatman1979]

Not much has changed, he's still Mark Millar.

Millar likes to hear the sound of his own voice. As I said previously and was ignored. Millar is still under exclusive contract with Marvel. In the contract he is allowed to persue independent creator owned projects but not those for "Competing business", and no offense to everyone who believes every word Millar says but the guy can't write Superman, comics, movie, tv or otherwise, until his contract expires.

[Billy Batson]

i dont see what your guys problem is with Bay, his movies do exactly what they are suppose to do. I think you need a big name action director like him along with a very very solid cast to send some juice into this thing

^ yeah I don't get it either :huh:
Do you guys know of any indie film director whom loves Superman and may pull a Nolan with the :supes: franchise?

[Billy Batson]

^ AMEN too that!

[Christmas]

Brad BIRD dammit!!! ^^^^^^^

[TheBatman1979]

Brad BIRD dammit!!! ^^^^^^^

The guy's only really done animated features....I don't know if I trust that as a director for a large live action film.

[Billy Batson]

Brad BIRD dammit!!! ^^^^^^^

:word: Then I want Bruce W. Timm

[TheBatman1979]

:word: Then I want Bruce W. Timm

I'd sooner go with Timm, with a Geoff Johns/Paul Dini written script.

[Billy Batson]

^ Yes SIR! :up:

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I really hope Mark Millar gets no were near this, his comments about Supermans charactisation in the past are not the Superman I know and love.

[hippie_hunter]

Millar likes to hear the sound of his own voice. As I said previously and was ignored. Millar is still under exclusive contract with Marvel. In the contract he is allowed to persue independent creator owned projects but not those for "Competing business", and no offense to everyone who believes every word Millar says but the guy can't write Superman, comics, movie, tv or otherwise, until his contract expires.
Exclusive contracts mean nothing when it comes to movies and TV.

Jeph Loeb is exclusive to Marvel, but he's been involved with Smallville before. Marc Guggenheim is exclusive to Marvel, but he was hired by Warner Bros. to write the Green Lantern script.

The exclusive contracts deal with comics and only comics.

Mark Millar's excuse of Warner Bros. not hiring him because he was a Marvel exclusive is a bunch of bull. Either he was talking out of his ass like he's done all the time because Warner Bros. just didn't want to hear his proposal or Warner Bros. was just being nice to him. Also at the time when Millar was rejected, Warner Bros. still wanted to persue a sequel.

However with the success of Wanted and Kick-Ass coming to screen, Millar seems to be a hot commody with comics these days. Plus Warner Bros. is now looking to reboot the franchise instead of making a sequel to Superman Returns. I wouldn't be surprised if Millar ended up getting his script onto film, especially with Warner Bros. wanting to make this film as fast as possible (2010 if they manage to get it as fast as they want).

[BenReilly]

Exclusive contracts mean nothing when it comes to movies and TV.

Jeph Loeb is exclusive to Marvel, but he's been involved with Smallville before. Marc Guggenheim is exclusive to Marvel, but he was hired by Warner Bros. to write the Green Lantern script.

The exclusive contracts deal with comics and only comics.

Also, when Joss Whedon was hired to write/direct Wonder Woman, he was working for Marvel, as the writer on Astonishing X-Men.

[hippie_hunter]

Also, when Joss Whedon was hired to write/direct Wonder Woman, he was working for Marvel, as the writer on Astonishing X-Men.
Whedon was a freelancer, not a Marvel employee like Loeb, Millar, and Guggenheim are.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I would be shocked if WB got Millar to write a Superman movie. His ideas are just really far out. I think they want to do something different but not something completely different.

[Scarecrow_King]

I haven't heard any details about Millar's take. anybody care to fill me in, or should i hunt around the other threads?

[TheBatman1979]

Exclusive contracts mean nothing when it comes to movies and TV.

Jeph Loeb is exclusive to Marvel, but he's been involved with Smallville before. Marc Guggenheim is exclusive to Marvel, but he was hired by Warner Bros. to write the Green Lantern script.

The exclusive contracts deal with comics and only comics.

Mark Millar's excuse of Warner Bros. not hiring him because he was a Marvel exclusive is a bunch of bull. Either he was talking out of his ass like he's done all the time because Warner Bros. just didn't want to hear his proposal or Warner Bros. was just being nice to him. Also at the time when Millar was rejected, Warner Bros. still wanted to persue a sequel.

However with the success of Wanted and Kick-Ass coming to screen, Millar seems to be a hot commody with comics these days. Plus Warner Bros. is now looking to reboot the franchise instead of making a sequel to Superman Returns. I wouldn't be surprised if Millar ended up getting his script onto film, especially with Warner Bros. wanting to make this film as fast as possible (2010 if they manage to get it as fast as they want).

I'll take your word for it, but Leob was Exclusive with DC when he did most of Smallville work and Guggenheim was exclusive with DC until late last year and as we all have seen if someone has been previously contracted for work the exclusive deals can sometimes be written to take those commitments into accord, such was the deal with both Michael Turner when he left DC for Marvel and for Simone Bianchi when he left DC for Marvel as they both completed the covers they were contracted to do.

I still think Millar is blowing smoke.

[solidsnake86]

If they actually chose Millar they would just piss off a new set of people, unless it would be the minority than WB wouldnt care. Its been very quiet on the news front since robinov spoke, I'm starting to wonder if that statement was just to see how the fans responded to the reintroduction comment. The more I think about it the more I'm convinced they used that word to see what the reaction to a reboot would be and frankly it looks positive in terms of a complete origin.

[Hole Shot]

With Millar talking about this "high octane" big deal director in the U.S. that only wants to work with him and his Superman script - I keep wanting to think it's Bay.

A Bay/Millar Superman movie could either be one of the best popcorn flicks of all time or a nuclear explosion on celluloid.

[Crook]

Well with Bay on board, we're at least guaranteed a sexy Lois. I always found it a damn shame all the sexy Lois' were on tv, never on film.

Bay will make sure she looks like a sexpot. :cmad: :up:

[Hole Shot]

Bay will make sure she looks like a sexpot. :cmad: :up:

I don't say this often but..
qft

[dark_b]

With Millar talking about this "high octane" big deal director in the U.S. that only wants to work with him and his Superman script - I keep wanting to think it's Bay.

A Bay/Millar Superman movie could either be one of the best popcorn flicks of all time or a nuclear explosion on celluloid.well to me i doesnt make sense.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23EyDJUqV_8
1:36 - 1:50

so if it is bay. that means that he doesnt want to do superman but if mark millars is writting it he will do it. ok now with more simple words. this guy is not interesting in this character(superman) he only wants to do it if MM writtes it.
if you love a character you are waiting for a good script. not for the specific writter.
i dont want this director.

[echostation]

someone asked a good question and why can' tsomeone please answer it...

what were Mark Millar's ideas about Superman??

[Mentok]

Just pray that no one offers Bay a percent from the earnings of merchandise for the film. That will stop him from making Superman.

[SuperDaniel]

Didn't Bay refused to direct the JJ abrams script because he thought it was an abomination to Superman from the comics?

I remember reading it somewhere here a long time ago.

[SuperDaniel]

Snyder doesn't like Superman and already turned it down. So NO to him.

[matrix_ghost]

Exclusive contracts mean nothing when it comes to movies and TV.

Jeph Loeb is exclusive to Marvel, but he's been involved with Smallville before. Marc Guggenheim is exclusive to Marvel, but he was hired by Warner Bros. to write the Green Lantern script.

The exclusive contracts deal with comics and only comics.

Mark Millar's excuse of Warner Bros. not hiring him because he was a Marvel exclusive is a bunch of bull. Either he was talking out of his ass like he's done all the time because Warner Bros. just didn't want to hear his proposal or Warner Bros. was just being nice to him. Also at the time when Millar was rejected, Warner Bros. still wanted to persue a sequel.

However with the success of Wanted and Kick-Ass coming to screen, Millar seems to be a hot commody with comics these days. Plus Warner Bros. is now looking to reboot the franchise instead of making a sequel to Superman Returns. I wouldn't be surprised if Millar ended up getting his script onto film, especially with Warner Bros. wanting to make this film as fast as possible (2010 if they manage to get it as fast as they want).


I just find it weird that Millar is complaining that WB doesn't hire wirters because they're associated with Marvel , but at the same time they let Brian Singer have a go at Superman .

Edit :
Also didn't WB say that they want at least one big tentpole movie each summer/year. I think that is the reason why they moved Harry Potter to summer of '09.
Will they take another risk and try to have the reboot ready for summer of 2010. I think we cal all agree that Nolan and co. will make a 3rd batman movie and it'll be released in 2011. Summer of 2011 will see the release of the Harry Potter : Deathly Hallows part 2.
I seem to remember reading somehwere that Alan Horn or Jeff Robiniv wanted to release an eventual sequel of SR in Christmas.

So WB could either release the sequel in the summer of 2010 or winter of 2010.
But Louis Letterier is making Clash Of The titans for WB in 2010 and the first part of Deathly hallows will be released in noveber of 2010. Clash Of The Titans screams summer movie and i doubt WB will release Superman in Christman , given that Harry Potter close release.
2011 seems a better year. Deathly Hallows part 2 will be released in may , batman 3 most likely in july and superman in winter of 2011

[dark_b]

I just find it weird that Millar is complaining that WB doesn't hire wirters because they're associated with Marvel , but at the same time they let Brian Singer have a go at Superman .looks like is is twisting words

[SuperDaniel]

i just find it weird that millar is complaining that wb doesn't hire wirters because they're associated with marvel , but at the same time they let brian singer have a go at superman .
good point!

[Showtime]

WB not hiring Millar had nothing to do with him being a "Marvel Guy" despite what has been said. WB simply didn't like the his idea at the time, but now, times have changed. So let's see how it pans out.

[MAN O STEEL]

art direction by Alex Ross

written by Michael Bay

Geoff Johns as consultant

Directed by Oliver Stone

Superman: Henry Cavill




LETS GET IT GOIN BOYS!. :oldrazz:




Steve

[dark_b]

written by bay?

[MAN O STEEL]

written by bay?


Why not? since no one likes his directing maybe he'll have a better hand at writting & letting a better direct take the helm.



Steve

[dark_b]

Why not? since no one likes his directing maybe he'll have a better hand at writting & letting a better direct take the helm.



Stevei agree. lets give the superman franchise to a guy who needs to first try to make hes first movie script. :huh:

[MAN O STEEL]

i agree. lets give the superman franchise to a guy who needs to first try to make hes first movie script. :huh:


whoever thought that the guy who did omen could do superman ( donner ), whoever thought the guy who did evil dead could do spiderman ( raimi ) whoever thought the guy who did momento could do batman ( Nolan ), see the pattern?. We need to start taking chances. When we got bryan we got a comfort zone in the fact that he was familiar with comic book movies & look where that got us?. maybe we need to start looking at the not so obvious choices.



Steve

[Showtime]

We need to start taking chances. When we got bryan we got a comfort zone in the fact that he was familiar with comic book movies & look where that got us?. maybe we need to start looking at the not so obvious choices.



Steve

Which is why I don't think we should be talking about Bay, I think WB is going to look at the regulars and of course they'll be thinking outside the box. We are always talking about the "Usual Suspects", when it comes to directors, pun intended. Bay, Ratner, Abrams, Cameron, Spielberg and so on. The same guys we were talking about in 2004 before Singer was announced. The same with casting, Cavill, Bomer, Welling, Caviezal. It's like BS (Before Singer) all over again.

[dark_b]

Which is why I don't think we should be talking about Bay, I think WB is going to look at the regulars and of course they'll be thinking outside the box. We are always talking about the "Usual Suspects", when it comes to directors, pun intended. Bay, Ratner, Abrams, Cameron, Spielberg and so on. The same guys we were talking about in 2004 before Singer was announced. The same with casting, Cavill, Bomer, Welling, Caviezal. It's like BS (Before Singer) all over again.this is how fans can only work.

fans see a redhead. and they will cast her as MJ. because she has red hair. they see a blond chick and vlila gwen stacey. of course this is the wrong aproach.
but WB will have meeting and will see actors on the castings.

[hippie_hunter]

I'll take your word for it, but Leob was Exclusive with DC when he did most of Smallville work and Guggenheim was exclusive with DC until late last year and as we all have seen if someone has been previously contracted for work the exclusive deals can sometimes be written to take those commitments into accord, such was the deal with both Michael Turner when he left DC for Marvel and for Simone Bianchi when he left DC for Marvel as they both completed the covers they were contracted to do.

I still think Millar is blowing smoke.

The executives of Smallville have said that the door is always open for Loeb after he left the show to take care of his son.

Guggenheim was never exclusive for DC. He was a freelancer who did the last issues of the Flash and some Aquaman. The vast majority of his work is Marvel, even before he signed an exclusive with Wolverine, Blade, Squadron Supreme, and the Punisher. He was a Marvel exclusive when Warner Bros. hired him to write the Green Lantern script.

And I wouldn't be too sure with Millar blowing smoke this time. He's having some Hollywood success lately thanks to Wanted being a success and Kick-Ass getting made, Chosen getting optioned by Sony, and War Heroes already receiving offers to get made. That kind of success does get noticed.

[GreenKToo]

Well, whoever the heck gets it I hope they make a kick arse film this time.

[Lighthouse]

WB not hiring Millar had nothing to do with him being a "Marvel Guy" despite what has been said. WB simply didn't like the his idea at the time, but now, times have changed. So let's see how it pans out.

Millar also has this supposed "big action" director whose worked with WB, as opposed to him doing it by himself last time. I think thats going to make a big difference.

[Prison Mike]

I haven't heard any details about Millar's take. anybody care to fill me in, or should i hunt around the other threads?

someone asked a good question and why can' tsomeone please answer it...

what were Mark Millar's ideas about Superman??

I would like to know what his ideas were as well.

[BATZARRO WWD]

I would like to know what his ideas were as well.

I don't think he has told.

[I Am The Knight]

I don't think he has told.

He has, in the past. With some hostile fan reaction, if I may add. Wheter he still has some of these ideas in mind for this proposed movie remains to be seen.

[mclay18]

I've said it many times over: NO to Bay doing a Superman movie, be it directing, writing, producing or all three. We need fresh blood, not any of the usual suspects. Not to mention Bay's committed many nuclear explosions on film prior to TF.

And I'm sorry but Millar isn't exactly instilling confidence in me regarding a Supes reboot /trilogy. We need a good, solid writer and not someone like Millar who doesn't understand the concept of Superman at all.

[Midnite]

How bad was the Miller's scripts, WB rejected before?

[JP]

Michael Bay would need the Godfather of Superman scripts to create just a decent movie. :o

[Dark Knight]

Millar + Bay= :down

[Showtime]

Millar also has this supposed "big action" director whose worked with WB, as opposed to him doing it by himself last time. I think thats going to make a big difference.

So I've heard, I'm waiting for it.

[dark_b]

ha ha.
he is only talking.

[Dark Knight]

I would be shocked if WB got Millar to write a Superman movie. His ideas are just really far out. I think they want to do something different but not something completely different.



I would think that in this case...Millar would be the main story guy and other pro screenwriters would be working on the screenplay and actual script.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I would think that in this case...Millar would be the main story guy and other pro screenwriters would be working on the screenplay and actual script.Maybe but I wouldn't even want him to come up with the story. I just plain don't like his ideas.

[dark_b]

always when he is talking i get a feeling like he thinks that he would do the ultimate superman movie.

[SuperDaniel]

I hope he does, if he gets chosen to write.

[Superman4ever]

Maybe but I wouldn't even want him to come up with the story. I just plain don't like his ideas.

I agree. Miller on a Superman movie is a "no, no" in my book. No.