Reintroducing Superman: An Open Discussion

[JaD]

I totally agree. Can you really tell that someone would say something like this and then you wouldn't ask the question, "Is Routh considered for the sequel to your knowledge?". I mean that would be my first response. But he doesn't even inquire in the interview.The funny thing is that none of us really know jack squat from this interview. We just have to wait even more. The president probably knows alot more than he told him but whatever. Who knows how how much those two actually talked about.
If they do confirm that Routh is coming back, I will be very happy.
Same here. :up:

[FVD]

Yeah I had no problems with Routh either. Keep him.

[JaD]

I'm just glad to hear news of them meeting & talking with Brandon and not Cav....I mean other Superman "contenders" and that they still like him.

[darkseid26]

Don't Doubt the Routh!! :supes::supes:

[mjbull23]

I'm extremely pleased to hear that Routh is still in the mix for the role. He's got the looks, the build, the voice, and his acting skills are solid, I'm certain he will continue to refine his acting skils over the next few years leading up to the "reintroduction".

[bunk]

If what we're hearing is true, it certainly is a larger amount of loyalty to an actor I would expect from a huge studio like WB. Good for them.

[Double Down]

If what we're hearing is true, it certainly is a larger amount of loyalty to an actor I would expect from a huge studio like WB. Good for them.

Well said.

[JaD]

If what we're hearing is true, it certainly is a larger amount of loyalty to an actor I would expect from a huge studio like WB. Good for them.

Well said.
Very well said in fact. That's how I'd like to look at it too, and it would be great to see. If this is true of course like you said *crosses fingers*

*offtopic, been making some :supes: .gifs today, feel like sharing one with you all, in honor of Mr. Reeve, why not? :Ohttp://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/JAD51287/superman/gifs/supes-excusemefl.gif

[Superark]

Very well said in fact. That's how I'd like to look at it too, and it would be great to see. If this is true of course like you said *crosses fingers*

*offtopic, been making some :supes: .gifs today, feel like sharing one with you all, in honor of Mr. Reeve, why not? :Ohttp://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/JAD51287/superman/gifs/supes-excusemefl.gif


Say Jim! That's a bad outfit! Whoo!

Haha Classic!

[Lestat74]

you guys are forgetting something else: Routh comes CHEAP. And it saves yet another massive nation wide ( costly ) hunt for a new Superman, when most people were just fine with Routh. The constant changes in Batmen in the 90's really hurt that franchise ( aside from the bad quality of course ) It just doesn't make financial sense to dump Routh and go for some costly star, especially when Routh is still pretty young.

Also, only we, the online fanboy community, really give a crap if this is a vague sequel/reboot/whatever. I'm sure most average people will think it's a prequel to SR, regardless of whether or not certain details conflict with SR. And just how different could a reboot Superman world be anyway, beyond cosmetic changes to things like the Fortress of Solititude and cast changes?

Despite recasting Bruce Banner, having the origin conflict with the Ang Lee movie among other things, most average joes I know still thought The Incredible Hulk was a sequel to Hulk. Even after having seen it! And don't get me started on people who saw Batman Begins and thought it was a prequel to Batman '89, despite glaring continuity differences. The average movie goer just does not pay attention to stuff like this like we do.

Trust me...they won't care.

[BATZARRO WWD]

The average movie goer just does not pay attention to stuff like this like we do.

Trust me...they won't care.

All the more reason to switch, in my opinion.

[Asgard]

Im still leaning towards a new actor for Superman, but good going for Routh if he can nab the role.

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[jmc]

If what we're hearing is true, it certainly is a larger amount of loyalty to an actor I would expect from a huge studio like WB. Good for them.

So true, very few actors get a second bite at the cherry after a failure.

[Sam]

http://www.superwebdesign.com.br/routh_superv2.jpg

[millennium movies]

Yes, because other people just won't remember that guy from that movie with that dude in the blue tights as soon as the first trailer is shown.

The stupidity and short memory span of the audience only goes so far.

People besides you whinny fanboys don't give a hoot, deal with it. Besides, Superman is Superman, dont matter what movie he's in or what changes around him. You don't change something that worked.

[Hole Shot]

In fact, he told me that “Last week Brandon Routh has come around the offices in New York and Los Angeles as of late to talk about Superman and what we want to do”……blah blah blah!

At first I thought it was the Apple Martini I was drinking but I soon realized that I just heard a bombshell go off in my brain! Brandon? He did say Brandon Routh was coming around talking about Superman! Why the hell would they be talking to Brandon if he was not going to be part of the reboot? Because he’s still in the mix!!!

Was Routh already signed on for a sequel? Because this could just as easily mean they brought him int to explain they wanted to go in a different direction and wanted to discuss a buy out or something.


If they bring Routh back as Superman and try to reset the rest of the universe they're going to confuse the hell out of the audience. The problem is Superman's movie universe really needs to be reset, most importantly it's Lex Luthor that needs to be re-invented for the big screen.

[BenReilly]

Was Routh already signed on for a sequel? Because this could just as easily mean they brought him int to explain they wanted to go in a different direction and wanted to discuss a buy out or something.

Unlikely. Paul Levitz is the publisher of a comic book company, not a studio executive for Warner Bros. What business would a comic book publisher have with an actor's contract?

[Double Down]

That is an excellent point.

[mclay18]

Was Routh already signed on for a sequel? Because this could just as easily mean they brought him int to explain they wanted to go in a different direction and wanted to discuss a buy out or something.

Routh signed a three-film contract when he signed on to do Superman Returns, as did Spacey, Bosworth and Huntington. So if Warners does want to do a reboot with Routh as Supes, they'll enact that clause to bring him back for a second film if Singer is involved or not.

Sequel options are a frequent occurence in Hollywood these days to cover the studios' backs, so to speak. They've done 3-pic contracts for the Nolan Batman films (Bale, Oldman, Caine), the Spidey flicks (Maguire, Dunst and Franco), Fantastic Four, and the X-men flicks (in addition to the countless 2-pic contracts for various supporting actors).

Hell, they even secured sequel options for the lead Watchmen actors and the Harold & Kumar actors for any potential sequels.

[Double Down]

As an aside, they've already announced there will be a third Harold and Kumar movie.

[bunk]

As an aside, they've already announced there will be a third Harold and Kumar movie.

That was an easy decision for Nolan.

[Superman-Prime]

I went to SaveSuperman site and everything is full of heat. Wow. They need to grow up.

Keep Brandon Routh! He deserves to be Superman again!!

[Mostpowerful]

Yes. Very good. IMO he was a great Superman.

Yes, he was/is. He definitely did justice to the legend. Best Superman/Clark since Reeve.


I can lend you one of my copies



Didn't you try to pull the same stunt when MP was vacationing in Mexico? :hehe:

Hmmm... :hehe: lol




You got me. :woot:

Maybe next time, uh? :cwink: :oldrazz:



In regards to Routh's acting ability, I'd agree he's no Brando.

But actors can play certain roles better than others.

Neither was Chris Reeve. But both Chris and Brandon have something extremely rare, they both have the presence, they both embody and inhabit the character of Superman perfectly, imo. They have 'the magic' of Superman.



Too many pics of Routh's Superman ey? That's all you had to say... *walks away with head down*

I enjoyed looking at all the pics. thank you very much for sharing them with us. :yay: :cwink: And your avvy rocks. can't stop staring at it...

[Mostpowerful]

http://www.superwebdesign.com.br/routh_superv2.jpg

nice!!

[NeoRanger]

People besides you whinny fanboys don't give a hoot, deal with it. Besides, Superman is Superman, dont matter what movie he's in or what changes around him. You don't change something that worked.
Routh didn't work, smartass. The audience remembered enough to jot Routh's performance down as identical to that of Reeve's, but seeing the same face plastered all over the screen won't ring any bells? Are you people listening to what you're saying?

And Routh fans lost the rights to use the term "fanboy" when they paraded their desperation, either through that petition of yours that poisoned every Superman-related site, or when you hanged onto the non-news news from that Spacey interview. Or, hell, even now that you take Routh-back-in-Superman as a done deal.

Back off.

[KobiKai]

Neither was Chris Reeve. But both Chris and Brandon have something extremely rare, they both have the presence, they both embody and inhabit the character of Superman perfectly, imo. They have 'the magic' of Superman.


Brandon Routh has no screen presence at all, ever noticed that his resume isn't exactly full since Superman Returns. If i was the director Carmen Luvana would be Lois Lane for exactly the same reasons Singer picked Routh.

[Antonello Blueberry]

Brandon Routh has no screen presence at all, ever noticed that his resume isn't exactly full since Superman Returns.
Really. It seems to me he was quite busy since SR. Chris Reeve was in lot less stuff in the years from Superman: the Movie to Superman III.

[KobiKai]

Really. It seems to me he was quite busy since SR.

Ok whatever! :whatever: A couple of cartoon voice overs and a few tv guest spots, yes you're right he's been run of his feet. And the comment about Chris Reeves has no relevance since at that time he WAS superman, he became the character in the eyes of the world. When Routh can claim that honor he can be forgiven for not working, Reeves did it out of choice.

[GreenKToo]

IMHO it's a mistake to use Routh in a reboot. But hey, it's not my money.

[KobiKai]

IMHO it's a mistake to use Routh in a reboot. But hey, it's not my money.

IMO that will be a major problem. Most people don't come on to forums like this and will have no idea it's a reboot, if it features the same Superman from a movie that sucked ass (officially, hence the reboot). They won't be burnt a second time even if it turns out to be a good film

[GreenKToo]

IMO that will be a major problem. Most people don't come on to forums like this and will have no idea it's a reboot, if it features the same Superman from a movie that sucked ass (officially, hence the reboot). They won't be burnt a second time even if it turns out to be a good film
Yeah. People aren't as dumb as the studio's think. If they do use Routh in a reboot, then marketing budget alone will have to be bigger than most film's entire budgets to hammer the idea home that it is a reboot.
It can be done, but it will be difficult.

[Showtime]

Ok whatever! :whatever: A couple of cartoon voice overs and a few tv guest spots, yes you're right he's been run of his feet. And the comment about Chris Reeves has no relevance since at that time he WAS superman, he became the character in the eyes of the world. When Routh can claim that honor he can be forgiven for not working, Reeves did it out of choice.

George Reeves? :wow:

[GreenKToo]

If it is indeed 4 yrs away, we'll prolly hear nothing of significance for maybe another yr? maybe longer? thats a depressing thought.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

you guys are forgetting something else: Routh comes CHEAP. And it saves yet another massive nation wide ( costly ) hunt for a new Superman, when most people were just fine with Routh. The constant changes in Batmen in the 90's really hurt that franchise ( aside from the bad quality of course ) It just doesn't make financial sense to dump Routh and go for some costly star, especially when Routh is still pretty young.

Also, only we, the online fanboy community, really give a crap if this is a vague sequel/reboot/whatever. I'm sure most average people will think it's a prequel to SR, regardless of whether or not certain details conflict with SR. And just how different could a reboot Superman world be anyway, beyond cosmetic changes to things like the Fortress of Solititude and cast changes?

Despite recasting Bruce Banner, having the origin conflict with the Ang Lee movie among other things, most average joes I know still thought The Incredible Hulk was a sequel to Hulk. Even after having seen it! And don't get me started on people who saw Batman Begins and thought it was a prequel to Batman '89, despite glaring continuity differences. The average movie goer just does not pay attention to stuff like this like we do.

Trust me...they won't care.

Exactly, other than myself, EVERYONE i know thinks TIH is a sequel to Hulk, and those people also STILL think that BB and TDK are in continuity with the old Keaton Batman movies, the GA dont have a clue and dont really care. Even when I tell them otherwise they dont believe me, because they dont remember things like continuity error's, etc.

[KobiKai]

AVEIT where in Liverpool are you from?

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Childwall, why? You familiar with the place?

[Antonello Blueberry]

Ok whatever! :whatever: A couple of cartoon voice overs and a few tv guest spots, yes you're right he's been run of his feet. And the comment about Chris Reeves has no relevance since at that time he WAS superman, he became the character in the eyes of the world. When Routh can claim that honor he can be forgiven for not working, Reeves did it out of choice.
You were Reeve's agent back then, weren't you?
And for the record, Routh has been the star of a Tv movie (Fear itself: Community), had small roles in a couple of flicks (Zack and Miri made a porno, Miss Nobody, Stuntmen), bigger ones in "Lie to me" and "Life Is Hot in Cracktown", he's the star of "Table for three" and he'll start shooting a movie with Samuel L. Jackson and Carrie Ann Moss in a few days (Unthinkable).
He's also signed to be the star of another comic-book movie (Dead of night).
Not too bad, considering he also devotes lots of time to endorsing Obana or attending charity events.

[nocomics]

Was Routh already signed on for a sequel? Because this could just as easily mean they brought him int to explain they wanted to go in a different direction and wanted to discuss a buy out or something.


If they bring Routh back as Superman and try to reset the rest of the universe they're going to confuse the hell out of the audience. The problem is Superman's movie universe really needs to be reset, most importantly it's Lex Luthor that needs to be re-invented for the big screen.
I think they will confuse the audience more if they bring in another actor imo. If u keep rebooting,and changing actors ppl get a little iritated,and show less confidence of what is being done.

Brandon Routh has no screen presence at all, ever noticed that his resume isn't exactly full since Superman Returns. If i was the director Carmen Luvana would be Lois Lane for exactly the same reasons Singer picked Routh.
I'm not sure what hes done since SR has to do with anything? Theres alot of actors who've had one crucial role and not done anything since or have had limited roles...I guess the onlything,if hes seen in more movies ppl will adapt to him and associate the Superman role???
Anywho, hopefully soon we will hear what direction theyare gonna go in.Though I'm sure they will go in the same direction similar to Batman,which is a good formula to copy..

[TheComicbookKid]

Was Routh already signed on for a sequel? Because this could just as easily mean they brought him int to explain they wanted to go in a different direction and wanted to discuss a buy out or something.


That doesn't make any sense to me. If you were fired from your job, the boss doesn't call you back to remind you that you were fired. Either they want to rehire you or you were "temporarily" layed-off. Obviously, Routh was told something that gives him some reason to talk to DC in NY and LA.

[KobiKai]

Childwall, why? You familiar with the place?


Yes i'm from Prescot :yay:

[Showtime]

This whole thing where some believe Routh was brought in to be "Fired" makes no sense. Some are saying that Levitz has no power to cast so why would he have power to fire somebody?

The most likely scenario IF he was talking about a Superman movie this early with DC, then it is because they were prepping him for a cameo in Green Lantern. Notice how Levitz supposedly said, "We like him as Clark Kent". This piggybacked by the Gosling rumor for Green Lantern might have some legs. On the other hand it might be an absolute dead end and mean nothing.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Yes i'm from Prescot :yay:

:up: Nice to see a fellow scouser on here :yay:.

[TheComicbookKid]

The most likely scenario IF he was talking about a Superman movie this early with DC, then it is because they were prepping him for a cameo in Green Lantern. Notice how Levitz supposedly said, "We like him as Clark Kent". This piggybacked by the Gosling rumor for Green Lantern might have some legs. On the other hand it might be an absolute dead end and mean nothing.

And if they are rebooting with another actor, using Routh in the Superman cameo would be the absolute dumbest thing possible. It just reinforces the idea that Routh is Superman for the GA. I don't know what the cameo in GL looks like or if it will even still happen, but if they don't want Routh as the MOS Superman, they are just wasting the six year gap between SR and MOS for people to forget him.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I actually have a theory on what WB is doing here, maybe Showtime or Jamie could tell me if I am close or not.

But, Routh has a few films coming out in the near future, and he has signed up for a few more like Unthinkable, between now and 2012, he is going to starring in quite a few movies it seems.

Are WB waiting for Brandon to possibly become more well known with cinema goers before deciding on whether to go with or drop him for the next Superman movie?

[Showtime]

And if they are rebooting with another actor, using Routh in the Superman cameo would be the absolute dumbest thing possible. It just reinforces the idea that Routh is Superman for the GA. I don't know what the cameo in GL looks like or if it will even still happen, but if they don't want Routh as the MOS Superman, they are just wasting the six year gap between SR and MOS for people to forget him.

Which means IF they are prepping him for Green Lantern, which is just speculation, then he would be the Superman going forward. However, we don't know what other actors they have talked to. He might not be the only one.

[TheComicbookKid]

I actually have a theory on what WB is doing here, maybe Showtime or Jamie could tell me if I am close or not.

But, Routh has a few films coming out in the near future, and he has signed up for a few more like Unthinkable, between now and 2012, he is going to starring in quite a few movies it seems.

Are WB waiting for Brandon to possibly become more well known with cinema goers before deciding on whether to go with or drop him for the next Superman movie?

Nah, none of those projects are high profile except the Sam Jackson one and he is pretty hit-or-miss.

I think the WB is just keeping options open.

[FaT_tONle]

And if they are rebooting with another actor, using Routh in the Superman cameo would be the absolute dumbest thing possible. It just reinforces the idea that Routh is Superman for the GA. I don't know what the cameo in GL looks like or if it will even still happen, but if they don't want Routh as the MOS Superman, they are just wasting the six year gap between SR and MOS for people to forget him.

Superman would help cross promote the universe if he indeed cameos in GL... so you need a guy like Routh... anyone else and people will be like wtf is Superman doing in there? Not like people would remember or take a whole lot out of a cameo. The reboot can easily provide the clear distinguishments.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Nah, none of those projects are high profile except the Sam Jackson one and he is pretty hit-or-miss.

I think the WB is just keeping options open.

But between now and say, 2010, 11, when they would presumably be filming, he may sign up for a few more high profile ones. And you never know, one of his low profile ones could be a hit.

[Superark]

If Routh plays the Clark Kent cameo in GL, than there is no denying he'd be Superman.

I do find it curious that the Ryan Gosling rumor came about the same time that the Routh rumor did. I have been reading a lot on WB going full steam on their GL movie.

[TheComicbookKid]

Superman would help cross promote the universe if he indeed cameos in GL... so you need a guy like Routh... anyone else and people will be like wtf is Superman doing in there? Not like people would remember or take a whole lot out of a cameo. The reboot can easily provide the clear distinguishments.

I'm not totally sure what you mean. You say they need Routh or else it would confuse people then say people wouldn't care about the cameo anyway? The point is, Showing Iron Man in Hulk reinforced the shared universe. If Robert Downey Jr. didn't show up in Iron Man II, people would wonder what happened to him.

This is all what ifs anyway. None of us know what the cameo calls for.

They could just film the ring flying past the Daily Planet offices.

But between now and say, 2010, 11, when they would presumably be filming, he may sign up for a few more high profile ones. And you never know, one of his low profile ones could be a hit.

Well, of course any movie of his could be a hit. I hope so, whether or not he remains Superman.

But the WB could have put him in higher profile films(not necessarily leading) of theirs if they really wanted to promote him.

[I Am The Knight]

And if they are rebooting with another actor, using Routh in the Superman cameo would be the absolute dumbest thing possible.

Agreed.

[FaT_tONle]

I'm not totally sure what you mean. You say they need Routh or else it would confuse people then say people wouldn't care about the cameo anyway? The point is, Showing Iron Man in Hulk reinforced the shared universe. If Robert Downey Jr. didn't show up in Iron Man II, people would wonder what happened to him.

This is all what ifs anyway. None of us know what the cameo calls for.

They could just film the ring flying past the Daily Planet offices.

What my point was... is that if it's just some random actor as Kent in there people would just be like... oh who's that actor... what's he doing in this movie as Kent... if it's Routh you immediately link that to Superman and his future involvement in crossovers. Because a guy like Routh who has already played the part, has come back for a cameo and it foreshadows more things to come. Audiences may also view it as a nod to fans and nothing more... but Routh comes in with that RDJ credibility to a lesser degree. It makes zero sense if they are rebooting Superman from scratch... but again we don't know what the timeline will be. Having a random actor in there and that doesn't foreshadow anything IMO. To me that's just a fan nod.

[Man of Tomorrow]

I noticed something interesting about that script.

He's never referred to as Superman in the GL script; just as 'Clark Kent.'

So it's possible it was made to tie-in with the reboot as happening BEFORE CK becomes Superman.

[Double Down]

Brandon Routh has no screen presence at all, ever noticed that his resume isn't exactly full since Superman Returns. If i was the director Carmen Luvana would be Lois Lane for exactly the same reasons Singer picked Routh.

You act like Superman Returns came out a hundred years ago. The movie came out two years ago, after which he spent a lot of time promoting it.
Plus, he has had to wait to see when they were filming the sequel.
However, he seems pretty busy to me:

Dead of Night (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1013860/) (2009) (pre-production (http://pro.imdb.com/r/legacy-inprod-name/inproduction/)) .... Dylan Dog (http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0103508/)
Unthinkable (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0914863/) (2009) (pre-production (http://pro.imdb.com/r/legacy-inprod-name/inproduction/))
Stuntmen (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1230214/) (2008) (post-production (http://pro.imdb.com/r/legacy-inprod-name/inproduction/)) .... Kirby Popoff
Table for Three (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1238304/) (2008) (post-production (http://pro.imdb.com/r/legacy-inprod-name/inproduction/)) .... Scott Teller
Miss Nobody (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1129427/) (2008) (post-production (http://pro.imdb.com/r/legacy-inprod-name/inproduction/)) .... Milo Beeber
Life Is Hot in Cracktown (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0901494/) (2008) (completed (http://pro.imdb.com/r/legacy-inprod-name/inproduction/)) .... Sizemore
Zack and Miri Make a Porno (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1007028/) (2008) .... Bobby
"Fear Itself" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1112285/) .... Bobby (1 episode, 2008)
- Community (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1117021/) (2008) TV episode .... Bobby
Lie to Me (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1003010/) (2008) .... James
... aka Fling (USA: new title)

[FaT_tONle]

I noticed something interesting about that script.

He's never referred to as Superman in the GL script; just as 'Clark Kent.'

So it's possible it was made to tie-in with the reboot as happening BEFORE CK becomes Superman.

As I said... we don't know what the time line will be.

[Double Down]

I just finished reading the book Superman vs. Hollywood and a quote jumped out at me.
Warner's Jeff Robinov said the following:
"Superman Returns will be profitable for us. We would have liked it to have made more money, but it reintroduced the character in a great way and was a good launching pad for the next picture."

[Antonello Blueberry]

I just finished reading the book Superman vs. Hollywood and a quote jumped out at me.
Warner's Jeff Robinov said the following:
"Superman Returns will be profitable for us. We would have liked it to have made more money, but it reintroduced the character in a great way and was a good launching pad for the next picture."
Coherence is not of this world. Anyway Robinov changed his tune after seeing the worldwide gross for the Dark Knight. The thing he forgot is that Batman Begins made the same money SR made.
Anyway this whole "reintroducing" Superman stuff might me a move to convince Singer to cut his back-end deal on the sequel.

[Hole Shot]

This whole thing where some believe Routh was brought in to be "Fired" makes no sense. Some are saying that Levitz has no power to cast so why would he have power to fire somebody?


I for some reason thought he was going to WB's offices not DC's.

[Double Down]

I for some reason thought he was going to WB's offices not DC's.

It could easily be both. DC is in New York, and Warner Bros. and Legendary are in California.

[Superman-Prime]

Here is an email I wrote to Jeff Robinov yesterday from my work....

Send him emails guys of your support for Cavill as Superman.



To: 'jeff.robinov@warnerbros.com'
Subject: Superman film Reboot suggestions


Hello Mr. Robinov,


First and foremost I would like to congratulate WB’s studios for the job well done on the success of The Dark Knight this past summer. I have been a fan of Batman stories for the past 26 years. I am currently 33 years of age now. The Dark Knight is easily the best comic genre film of all time and I am proud of the fact that WB’s hired and trusted Christopher Nolan. Christopher Nolan is the man and I can’t wait until him and the rest of the Bat crew come back for the third act of his Batman story.

Now in regards to the next Superman film, it seems a Bryan Singer directed sequel to Superman Returns is not the direction the studio will be going in. I was disappointed in this decision because I felt there was nowhere to go but up critically and financially in regards to a more action packed and visually epic sequel. Plus it would have been nice to another Superman film in 2010 instead of waiting until 2011 or 2012. I can understand the decision seems to have been made in regards to the studio wanting a new direction for Superman franchise and not having a good working relationship with Bryan Singer, which is fine. Now is the time to make up for past mistakes so we can finally see the ultimate Superman film. However, I would like to make some brief suggestions as to who the new directing candidate(s) should be and what source material from the Superman books should be used as inspiration to potential screenwriters. There are three main comic books that should be used as inspiration for the new film IMO. Mark Waids’ great story Superman Birthright, Jeph Loebs’ Superman for All Seasons, and the current story arc in Action Comics written by Geoff Johns featuring Braniac should all be considered. I also think that elements of those stories should be mixed in with elements from JJ Abrams last and updated Superman Flyby script. All those elements put together in a screenplay would be simply awesome in my opinion. Now who should be looked at to direct this story? I firmly believe that WB’s needs to start at the top when it comes to possible director candidates. There are three main directors who I feel would do a great job with a potential 170 million dollar budgeted Superman reboot or reintroduction film.

Ridley “The Great” Scott - is a studio guy and the films he has made have been critical, box office and cult success’. Give the man a 170 million dollar budget with an epic and action packed story that is re watchable and inspired by the source material I mentioned above and the film will make 350-400 million domestically at least.

Peter “Lord of the Rings” Jackson - the man knows how to make a visually epic story and turn it into a great film. Let WETA do the designs and keep the budget at 170 million and a nice profit he will make.

Zack Snyder- yes Zack has stated he turned down the chance to direct a Superman film reportedly. He says he doesn’t know how relevant the big blue boy scout can be made in this day and age onscreen. However, with your recent comments about the studio wanting to explore the darker more mature material in the next Superman film along with some of the other DC characters, perhaps the studio can convince him to reconsider? Especially if you give him a darker, yet more mature, edgy, and fun Superman story. An example of this is what Geoff Johns is doing with Braniac in Action Comics currently mixed in with some elements from Abrams last draft of the FlyBy script and I am convinced Zack would work wonders with Superman. He has not even peaked yet as a filmmaker and the sky is the limit with him IMO.

Remember to try and aim high for possible directors and work your way down from there. It doesn’t hurt to try.

Casting for Superman? There is one actor who is an up and comer and could be to Superman what Bale is to Batman. His name is Henry Cavill. He is plenty old enough now to play the man of steel and he has the acting chops, looks and potential build for Superman. All he has to do is tone up and bulk up. Let’s hope you can sign him before he becomes the next Bond. For Lois Lane I believe Anne Hathaway or Rachel McAdams would be great choices along side Cavill. Lex Luthor should be played by Joaquin Phoenix and Jor El should go to Russell Crowe or Jim Caviezal.

Thanks for hearing me out and let’s hope WB’s can get the new Superman out sooner rather than later. Too much potential would be wasted otherwise. Good luck. : )

Good luck with that and Robinov won't read this.

SaveSuperman sucks and Steve have no right to have a stupid source and tell what's up.

[KobiKai]

You act like Superman Returns came out a hundred years ago. The movie came out two years ago, after which he spent a lot of time promoting it.
Plus, he has had to wait to see when they were filming the sequel.

However, he seems pretty busy to me:
Dead of Night (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1013860/) (2009) (pre-production (http://pro.imdb.com/r/legacy-inprod-name/inproduction/)) .... Dylan Dog (http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0103508/)
Unthinkable (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0914863/) (2009) (pre-production (http://pro.imdb.com/r/legacy-inprod-name/inproduction/))
Stuntmen (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1230214/) (2008) (post-production (http://pro.imdb.com/r/legacy-inprod-name/inproduction/)) .... Kirby Popoff
Table for Three (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1238304/) (2008) (post-production (http://pro.imdb.com/r/legacy-inprod-name/inproduction/)) .... Scott Teller
Miss Nobody (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1129427/) (2008) (post-production (http://pro.imdb.com/r/legacy-inprod-name/inproduction/)) .... Milo Beeber
Life Is Hot in Cracktown (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0901494/) (2008) (completed (http://pro.imdb.com/r/legacy-inprod-name/inproduction/)) .... Sizemore
Zack and Miri Make a Porno (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1007028/) (2008) .... Bobby
"Fear Itself" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1112285/) .... Bobby (1 episode, 2008)
- Community (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1117021/) (2008) TV episode .... Bobby
Lie to Me (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1003010/) (2008) .... James
... aka Fling (USA: new title)


So this is what he has to show for the two years plus providing the voices for 2 cartoons

Zack and Miri Make a Porno (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1007028/) (2008) .... Bobby
"Fear Itself" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1112285/) .... Bobby (1 episode, 2008)
- Community (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1117021/) (2008) TV episode .... Bobby
Lie to Me (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1003010/) (2008) .... James
... aka Fling (USA: new title)
Yes i concede he's a fantastic actor, bit parting his way to an oscar as we speak. Wonder what he did for the other 720 days :woot:

[Double Down]

How much do you expect him to work over the course of two years? That's quite a bit. Plus, he hasn't been able to schedule too much due to the uncertainty of the start date for the sequel. How much do you think Christopher Reeve worked in between the movies?

[Superark]

Who cares how much work Routh is or isn't doing!

If the guy can play a good Superman then thats all that matters

[KobiKai]

How much do you expect him to work over the course of two years? That's quite a bit. Plus, he hasn't been able to schedule too much due to the uncertainty of the start date for the sequel. How much do you think Christopher Reeve worked in between the movies?

I think people have got me wrong, i don't care what he's done. IMO he's a terrible actor and I for one hope to god he's not in the next one. Some of you need to stop acting like his mum, He's not Christopher Reeves and never will be get over it and stop comparing them.
Officially Superman Returns is a failure, so bye bye Singer, bye bye Jason and bye bye Brandon f'n Routh

[Double Down]

Who cares how much work Routh is or isn't doing!

If the guy can play a good Superman then thats all that matters

I agree with Superark. Reeve barely worked between the Superman movies. That did not make him any less suited to the role.

[Double Down]

Wait, are you saying Robinov won't cast the whole movie based on an e-mail from someone he's never met?
:hehe:

[SatEL]

I know whose doing it is to have Routh on................Jon Peters pure and simple, the guy has a hard on for Routh. I personally believe it will be a shame and another wasted chance to put Routh back in the seat, besides who are they trying to kid its a reboot when you have the same actor from the previous franchise in the so called reboot.

[I Am The Knight]

When Routh can claim that honor he can be forgiven for not working

I think people have got me wrong, i don't care what he's done.

Clearly :whatever:

[Superark]

Ah there you are SatEL! I wondered when you were going to chime in

[Retroman]

As a fan of Routh's Superman this is encouraging news.An endorsement from the head of DC is great but still doesn't mean he will actually be back. The new creative team may have different ideas.
As I said... we don't know what the time line will be.
Yeah, for all we know the Kent cameo in GL might just be the Daily Planet and a desk name plate.:o

[KobiKai]

Dear Mr Director,
Please excuse Brandon from the next Superman film because he's not feeling well.
Yours sincerely
Brandon's Mum


Well, well the truth has emerged :woot:

[I Am The Knight]

Well, well the truth has emerged :woot:

More like your idiocy.

If you're going to change my quotes, at least make them funny :hehe:

[Mostpowerful]

People besides you whinny fanboys don't give a hoot, deal with it. Besides, Superman is Superman, dont matter what movie he's in or what changes around him. You don't change something that worked.

Exactly. Besides, Superman is very special, he is not like Batman who wears a mask. If they keep on changing the actor who plays Superman (especially when it worked so well, like Brandon did in the role), the character will suffer and it will loose credibility in the eyes of the GP. When it comes to Superman people like to be able to identify with someone who represents the character; someone they associate the character with. Sure, it isn't good for your acting career, but IMO, that's the small price you pay for taking the job.

As Christopher Reeve was, Brandon has been tremendous on and off the screen. He's without a doubt the right person to continue the Superman legacy.

The "Reboot" rules CAN be broken... if you look at the pro's and con's.




Routh didn't work, smartass.
.
Yes, he did work. He was a hit in the role. He was well-received and liked by most people, including the critics, fans, and the GP. And that's why he won several fan awards where many thousands of people voted for him:

http://www.empireonline.com/awards/malenewcomer.asp (http://www.empireonline.com/awards/malenewcomer.asp)

http://www.totalfilm.com/features/review-of-the-year-and-total-film-readers-awards


among others.

[solidsnake86]

This is actually funny. I think the biggest news is that its going to be 2012, thats a long time away. For the people that hate Routh, whose to say that they're going to find someone who is any better than him, take away cavill (who is a fanboy choice) and the next actor could be far worse. I think we should be more concerned about the storyline. The green latern cameo makes sense, and I could see them using Routh. Again though, this is a movie that 4 years away.

For those that find it odd that Nolan has such a huge role in getting this together you should be surprised. The economy isnt the greatest right now and these movies aren't cheap. You'll have a lot more people willing to invest in risky projects if they know that they will have gauranteed money makers to offset potential bombs.

[NeoRanger]

He was a hit in the role.
He was...? Oh crap, somebody pick up the rock I was living under all this time!

The majority didn't mind him. That's a far cry from being a hit and/or loved. And it's certainly nowhere close to him being irreplaceable.

[KobiKai]

You do know that no one at all has said that Brandon Routh is in the frame for the reboot and without a director no one would even be considered, apart from (like it or not) Tom Welling as a continuation of Smallville on the big screen.
That story from the other day was a work of fiction by a crappy little site dreaming of a exclusive, no meeting over a drink happened and no exclusive information was given out by any one. Here's some straws l l l l keep clutching

[Mostpowerful]

He was...? Oh crap, somebody pick up the rock I was living under all this time!

The majority didn't mind him. That's a far cry from being a hit and/or loved. And it's certainly nowhere close to him being irreplaceable.

To me, you're clearly a troll.

And yes, he is irreplaceable to me and many people. He is IT. Singer found the right guy for the role. I gave you facts, and you just gave me...your opinion..

[DavidTyler]

Exactly. Besides, Superman is very special, he is not like Batman who wears a mask. If they keep on changing the actor who plays Superman (especially when it worked so well, like Brandon did in the role), the character will suffer and it will loose credibility in the eyes of the GP. When it comes to Superman people like to be able to identify with someone who represents the character; someone they associate the character with. Sure, it isn't good for your acting career, but IMO, that's the small price you pay for taking the job.

...............

You are absolutely correct on this point and I'd like to use the fact that the Bond movies ALL TANKED after Sean Connery was replaced in the films.

Pity the producers couldn't find an identifiable face to replace Connery with. Those Bond movies had so much potential.

[NeoRanger]

To me, you're clearly a troll.
Wow. People would look so much smarter if they googled the fancy Internet terms they're using.

[Superark]

You do know that no one at all has said that Brandon Routh is in the frame for the reboot and without a director no one would even be considered, apart from (like it or not) Tom Welling as a continuation of Smallville on the big screen.
That story from the other day was a work of fiction by a crappy little site dreaming of a exclusive, no meeting over a drink happened and no exclusive information was given out by any one. Here's some straws l l l l keep clutching


I'll agree this rumor doesn't mean Brandon Routh is coming back. It's all just talk right now.

While I'll also agree that what this person at LR said isn't gospel, it also isn't out the realm of possibility. LR has been right before, and they have been wrong as well.

I will say that I think this has more of a chance of being true than Welling though.

[El Payaso]

I think people have got me wrong, i don't care what he's done.

Yes you do:
"ever noticed that his resume isn't exactly full since Superman Returns."

IMO he's a terrible actor and I for one hope to god he's not in the next one. Some of you need to stop acting like his mum, He's not Christopher Reeves and never will be get over it and stop comparing them.

Part of the problem why Reeve's acting acreer wasn't quite spectacular was him being typecasted. That is a problem any young unknown actor doing an iconic role faces. Routh is on that list.

Nevertheless, as you can see, he's doing some movies so you were wrong in your assumptions.

Officially Superman Returns is a failure, so bye bye Singer, bye bye Jason and bye bye Brandon f'n Routh

Officially Futurama needed to be cancelled. Yeah, what those suits do deserves a lot of respect.

Your only victory and argument is based on the execs not making as much money as they wanted.

[solidsnake86]

Personally when this news comes out it makes the board pretty annoying to visit because we revert back to the same to opinions on the actor when there are other things that are more important. It's a rumour at this point, if he doesn't return so be it, superman is more than just an actor. If he does return than everyone who thinks he is the worst superman ever is just going to have to suck it up. I would hope you hated SR becuase of the storyline. Asking for Welling over Routh is pointless, same talent different look. Oh well, I guess this is the way its going to be for the next 4 years.

[Hole Shot]

I agree with Superark. Reeve barely worked between the Superman movies. That did not make him any less suited to the role.

And how great was his acting career beyond Superman?

[Anita18]

You'll never get in more heated debates on the Internet than politics and Superman.
Arguing over Superman isn't a universal internet thing. You'd get more responses if someone started talking about abortion, religion, and/or body weight. :cwink:

[Double Down]

This passage from "Superman vs. Hollywood" is the kind of thing that worries me about the next Superman movie:
"The studio encouraged McG to cast Beyonce Knowles as Lois Lane, believing the African American singer's presence would immediately signal to people that FlyBy would be a reimagining of the Superman myth and not a redundant addition to existing continuity."

If that is the kind of thing they were thinking about doing to separate the continuity 17 years after Superman IV, what do you think they are capable of doing to separate it just six years later.
If they bring back Routh, that is great news. Because while many on here hope for a Cavill or a Welling, there is an equal chance we will get someone like a Nicholas Cage, Keanu Reeves, Justin Timberlake, Will Smith or Brendan Fraser. And God help us all.
But I am not saying that Routh is just better than other options, I am saying he is the best option. For as many things as Superman Returns got right and wrong, the hiring of Brandon Routh was the best thing.
And bringing him back in a movie that "reintroduces" Superman is the best way to keep as many people as possible happy. Not everyone, but the most people.

[I Am The Knight]

Personally when this news comes out it makes the board pretty annoying to visit because we revert back to the same to opinions on the actor when there are other things that are more important.

Agreed... :o

[FilmNerdJamie]

I don't care where you stand on them keeping Routh on.

Knock off the gay-bashing or you'll be shown the door...aka your ass will be nuked off the board. :yay:

[Lobo]

The man above man speaks the truth.

Drop it.

[KobiKai]

Are you talking about Singer? That's the only reason you can think of why he'd pick Brandon? Pathetic attempt at bashing the guy.

Yes I'm sure he said "I know what we'll make this Superman mute, give him no dialog and keep any personality hidden"
I'm sure after working with Patrick Steward & Ian McKellen he wanted a break from a dialog driven plot being delivered from excellent actors

[millennium movies]

Yes I'm sure he said "I know what we'll make this Superman mute, give him no dialog and keep any personality hidden"
I'm sure after working with Patrick Steward & Ian McKellen he wanted a break from a dialog driven plot being delivered from excellent actors

Bryan Singer's failure lies with his trust for those two crap writers mostly, nothing to do with Brandon.

[BATZARRO WWD]

Psshaw. Everybody knows Singer chose Routh because he couldn't dig Reeve out of his grave. :cwink:

Everybody need to settle the heck down. Random words from WB/DC higher ups mean much nothing until they're specific and verifiable, and this is neither. We don't even know if the guy REALLY said that. The only thing confirmed about Superman is that there is no script, no director, and no one has signed to act on it. The order is ussually script, then director, then actors, not the other way around.

[KobiKai]

I don't care where you stand on them keeping Routh on.

Knock off the gay-bashing or you'll be shown the door...aka your ass will be nuked off the board. :yay:

Where exactly was the gay bashing? Saying Singer picked him on looks alone is not gay bashing at all, before you accuse me of homophobia check your ****ing facts. Nothing discriminatory was said about Singer or his sexual preference

[millennium movies]

Why does WB fail so bad at getting Superman movies off the ground?

[Superark]

Psshaw. Everybody knows Singer chose Routh because he couldn't dig Reeve out of his grave. :cwink:

Everybody need to settle the heck down. Random words from WB/DC higher ups mean much nothing until they're specific and verifiable, and this is neither. We don't even know if the guy REALLY said that. The only thing confirmed about Superman is that there is no script, no director, and no one has signed to act on it. The order is ussually script, then director, then actors, not the other way around.

Was that comment really necessary?

[Double Down]

Why does WB fail so bad at getting Superman movies off the ground?

Have you read Superman vs. Hollywood? Good lord, it's deflating.

[FilmNerdJamie]

Where exactly was the gay bashing? Saying Singer picked him on looks alone is not gay bashing at all, before you accuse me of homophobia check your ****ing facts. Nothing discriminatory was said about Singer or his sexual preference

Don't even try to pretend to be stupid. Saying that Routh was cast "by a gay man" was a not-so-subtle (or clever) way to bash Singer for his sexuality.

Again. Knock.it.off.

[Anita18]

Also not feeling that the rest of the DC franchise hangs in the balance of....Nolan. Wtf? :down
Don't underestimate the power of The Vest. :hehe:

I'm not sure how WB could fuse the concept and the actor from the movie they are rebooting, without it being a confusing cluster****.
Agreed.

If WB decides to keep Routh, they don't have to really do a reboot. They could simply just tell a new story. I mean the costumes, sets, almost everything aesthetically changed from The Motion Picture to The Wrath of Khan, if we're using Star Trek as the model. No reason why the same can't be done here.
The same thing could even be said for TDK. They told a new story, there even was no mention of the Wayne deaths. Besides using most of the same actors, there were small nods to BB via some music cues and some dialogue but the overall tone of TDK I thought differed A LOT from BB.

Not alex ross big, but somewhere in between.
Routh looked much bigger in the pics of him working out than he did in the actual suit, so it can perhaps be blamed on that ( the suit).
Routh mostly needed to pull his shoulders back. His posture wasn't really "heroic." It's very clear in the pictures that JaD posted:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/JAD51287/superman/SRPromo_060.jpg http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/JAD51287/superman/Superman.jpg

You could even compare the posture of Routh Supes with Bale's Batman. Batman has his arms held in a more forceful position, and his shoulders are pulled back a little more, giving him an air of leadership.


http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd87/sugarfiend06/superman_returns.jpg

http://www.whysoserious.com/itsallpartoftheplan/images/201949id1_a.jpg

You act like Superman Returns came out a hundred years ago. The movie came out two years ago, after which he spent a lot of time promoting it.
Plus, he has had to wait to see when they were filming the sequel.
However, he seems pretty busy to me:

Dead of Night (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1013860/) (2009) (pre-production (http://pro.imdb.com/r/legacy-inprod-name/inproduction/)) .... Dylan Dog (http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0103508/)
Unthinkable (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0914863/) (2009) (pre-production (http://pro.imdb.com/r/legacy-inprod-name/inproduction/))
Stuntmen (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1230214/) (2008) (post-production (http://pro.imdb.com/r/legacy-inprod-name/inproduction/)) .... Kirby Popoff
Table for Three (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1238304/) (2008) (post-production (http://pro.imdb.com/r/legacy-inprod-name/inproduction/)) .... Scott Teller
Miss Nobody (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1129427/) (2008) (post-production (http://pro.imdb.com/r/legacy-inprod-name/inproduction/)) .... Milo Beeber
Life Is Hot in Cracktown (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0901494/) (2008) (completed (http://pro.imdb.com/r/legacy-inprod-name/inproduction/)) .... Sizemore
Zack and Miri Make a Porno (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1007028/) (2008) .... Bobby
"Fear Itself" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1112285/) .... Bobby (1 episode, 2008)
- Community (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1117021/) (2008) TV episode .... Bobby
Lie to Me (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1003010/) (2008) .... James
... aka Fling (USA: new title)

Most of those films are smaller and more independent. That trailer for the Starz movie "Table for Three" was cute, and I think that sort of movie suits Routh more, because he's cute, friendly, and extremely likeable. But he doesn't come across as a "badass" to me, not at all. Christian Bale did cute movies back in the day (he was adorable in Newsies and Little Women), but now that he's gotten older, he's picked edgier roles and he's got his "I'm a badass" stare down to an art. :woot:

If the new Supes movie is going to be released in 2012, Routh will definitely be older so hopefully he'll have grown out of the boyishness. Makeup will also definitely help. It's uncanny how much Josh Brolin resembles Dubya in the new Oliver Stone movie, but there we go. Magic of makeup.

WB obviously doesn't want to give full control over their next Superman film to another director like they did with Singer. They definitely are going to have a lot of say this time around and are going to find a director who wont ruffle feathers.
They lucked out with Nolan, who had NEVER done an action movie before BB, so I think it'll depend on the director and how much they trust him.

[millennium movies]

Have you read Superman vs. Hollywood? Good lord, it's deflating.

No i haven't, is it an article or a book?

Oh and i smell the flavor of banning...:wow:

[KobiKai]

Don't even try to pretend to be stupid. Saying that Routh was cast "by a gay man" was a not-so-subtle (or clever) way to bash Singer for his sexuality.

Again. Knock.it.off.


Ok directors casting actors/actresses who they find attractive goes on all the time (How else would Sharon Stone ever got work). Brian Singer is a openly gay man, referencing it doesn't make it gay bashing.
Some of you are trying to be so PC that you are in fact are becoming the bigots

[FilmNerdJamie]

Ok directors casting actors/actresses who they find attractive goes on all the time (How else would Sharon Stone ever got work). Brian Singer is a openly gay man, referencing it doesn't make it gay bashing.
Some of you are trying to be so PC that you are in fact are becoming the bigots

So you don't have a real rebuttal. So you just change the subject about people being politically-correct out of nowhere.

The fact that you brought up Singer's sexuality as an "argument" speaks itself.

[Double Down]

No i haven't, is it an article or a book?

Oh and i smell the flavor of banning...:wow:

It's a 300-plus page book by Jake Rossen about how difficult it has been to make Superman movies and TV shows (with a forward by Mark Millar). It is fun to read, but excruciating because you see how executives and directors view Superman. It's hard to find a book stores, but you can get it online for approximately $11. Well worth it.

[Lobo]

Ok directors casting actors/actresses who they find attractive goes on all the time (How else would Sharon Stone ever got work). Brian Singer is a openly gay man, referencing it doesn't make it gay bashing.
Some of you are trying to be so PC that you are in fact are becoming the bigots

So the only reason a gay man would cast someone is because they're attracted to them?

[I Am The Knight]

It's a 300-plus page book by Jake Rossen about how difficult it has been to make Superman movies and TV shows (with a forward by Mark Millar). It is fun to read, but excruciating because you see how executives and directors view Superman. It's hard to find a book stores, but you can get it online for approximately $11. Well worth it.

I read a review of this book some time ago. I really want to read it. I'm a sucker for Superman's troubled production stories :wow:

[BATZARRO WWD]

Was that comment really necessary?

Aww comeon, don't be like that! My point is thet Routh was chosen for similarity to Reeve mainly. Yeesh!

[FilmNerdJamie]

So the only reason a gay man would cast someone is because they're attracted to them?

Yeah, I guess that means Alan Horn, Thomas Tull and Paul Levitz are gay because Routh is staying on as Superman/Clark Kent.

Those gays sure are well-connected. :whatever:

[KobiKai]

So you don't have a real rebuttal. So you just change the subject about people being politically-correct out of nowhere.

The fact that you brought up Singer's sexuality as an "argument" speaks itself.

I never changed the subject at all, it's you who seem at a loss to justify your accusation of homophobia. Just two points for you
1. Out of the two actors i reference as excellent actors one is openly gay like Singer.
2. Look at the link on my post, that links to my site dedicated to the movie game which Singer directed, so obviously i'm a big fan of his work other than Superman Returns.
Try learning what homophobia is first before openly accusing someone of it on a public forum, the legal term is defamation of character and even on the internet forum it's still actionable

[FilmNerdJamie]

I never changed the subject at all, it's you who seem at a loss to justify your accusation of homophobia. Just two points for you
1. Out of the two actors i reference as excellent actors one is openly gay like Singer.
2. Look at the link on my post, that links to my site dedicated to the movie game which Singer directed, so obviously i'm a big fan of his work other than Superman Returns.
Try learning what homophobia is first before openly accusing someone of it on a public forum, the legal term is defamation of character and even on the internet forum it's still actionable

:whatever:

I reserve my "Ignore" only for mind-less idiots. So, Ignore Button meet Idiot (aka KobiKai), Idiot...Ignore Button.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I read a review of this book some time ago. I really want to read it. I'm a sucker for Superman's troubled production stories :wow:It was a fun read I got it from my local library. WB has never known what to do with Superman.

[dark_b]

ok this didnt help at waiting until 2012. i dont know who will direct and who will be superman. but damn i want a new movie today.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roM1VyAaRZY&feature=related

[Double Down]

I read a review of this book some time ago. I really want to read it. I'm a sucker for Superman's troubled production stories :wow:

It's really worth $11.53.

[KobiKai]

So the only reason a gay man would cast someone is because they're attracted to them?

Way to try and twist things idiot, you made the leap that only few peole would make

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Guys please stop arguing.

[FilmNerdJamie]

SaveSuperman sucks and Steve have no right to have a stupid source and tell what's up.

Steve has a source? :hehe:

Good one.

[KobiKai]

Guys please stop arguing.

Hi spidey, because you're one of my favourite posters i'll stop arguing now ;)

[Superman-Prime]

KobiKai = superbaby.

Honestly, please no argument! PLEASE! Can we discuss very nicely and friendly?

[I Am The Knight]

Way to try and twist things idiot, you made the leap that only few peole would make

I wouldn't insult a MOD if I were you...

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Hi spidey, because you're one of my favourite posters i'll stop arguing now ;)Good.

[FilmNerdJamie]

I wouldn't insult a MOD if I were you...

Thank you, but I'm not a mod. I just play one on television.

[Nirvana]

Haha, the last few pages have been full of lawls. :D

[Double Down]

Thank you, but I'm not a mod. I just play one on television.

He was talking about Lobo in this instance.

[FilmNerdJamie]

He was talking about Lobo in this instance.

SHHHHHH! :cwink:

[bunk]

Lol! Calling a mod an idiot... it drips with irony.

[I Am The Knight]

Thank you, but I'm not a mod. I just play one on television.

Hurm...OK

:hehe:

[Double Down]

SHHHHHH! :cwink:

Umm, oh yeah ... sorry.

[bunk]

Aww comeon, don't be like that! My point is thet Routh was chosen for similarity to Reeve mainly. Yeesh!

Have you ever compared the two? Other than being tall, dark, and handsome, they really look nothing alike. If you were convinced otherwise, I'm afraid that was due to acting. Sorry.

[Double Down]

Have you ever compared the two? Other than being tall, dark, and handsome, they really look nothing alike. If you were convinced otherwise, I'm afraid that was due to acting. Sorry.

I agree, but they do sound an a lot alike.

[louiebling$]

Yea that's a stupid move on his Part... Insulting MODS is no Bueño. And also now instead of arguing his case hes just gone childish :o

[Superman-Prime]

Lol! Calling a mod an idiot... it drips with irony.

Well, he should've know better, but oh well. His problem.

[bunk]

I agree, but they do sound an a lot alike.


Oh, definitely. Voice wise very similar. Even when he's just being Brandon he sounds like Superman - I'm mean Reeve.

[FilmNerdJamie]

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[Double Down]

Oh, definitely. Voice wise very similar. Even when he's just being Brandon he sounds like Superman - I'm mean Reeve.

When I watched that Fear Itself episode, I kept thinking how much he sounds like Superman/Christopher Reeve. I had wondered if he was "doing a voice" for the movie, but it seems as if that is his natural voice. It's a great Superman voice.

[Superman-Prime]

http://www.godspeed.dk/officerBarbrady.gif

Indeed.

Anyway...

GO BRANDON ROUTH! GO!!!

[bunk]

I was confused. It would look like you were shooing Brandon away if it weren't for your sig.

[Double Down]

I was confused. It would look like you were shooing Brandon away if it weren't for your sig.

That's true.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

So this is what he has to show for the two years plus providing the voices for 2 cartoons

Zack and Miri Make a Porno (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1007028/) (2008) .... Bobby
"Fear Itself" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1112285/) .... Bobby (1 episode, 2008)
- Community (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1117021/) (2008) TV episode .... Bobby
Lie to Me (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1003010/) (2008) .... James
... aka Fling (USA: new title)
Yes i concede he's a fantastic actor, bit parting his way to an oscar as we speak. Wonder what he did for the other 720 days :woot:

Brandon himself has said he was taking a break after SR, this is why only now are you hearing about other movies he is doing.

BTW, Dead Of Night sounds very interesting.

[Double Down]

Brandon himself has said he was taking a break after SR, this is why only now are you hearing about other movies he is doing.

BTW, Dead Of Night sounds very interesting.

He also has spent a lot of time playing soccer/football:

A decade later, and with more than 40 films under his belt, Vinnie [Jones is] still playing football with a revolving celebrity team, which includes actors such as Jason Statham, Ray Winstone and Superman star Brandon Routh, as well as ex-Rangers captain Richard Gough.

By the way, that team sounds pretty hard core.

[hippie_hunter]

Steve has a source? :hehe:

Good one.

It's funny because everything Steve says turns out to be wrong :hehe:

[Superman-Prime]

It's funny because everything Steve says turns out to be wrong :hehe:

There you go!

That and everything what Steve said was ********. Too bad for him.

[Double Down]

It's funny because everything Steve says turns out to be wrong :hehe:


I stopped going to that site. It was poisoning my soul.

[Seen]

Holy crap, Superman, Juggernaut and Beowulf all on the same team! I'd hate to be the guys going up against them.

[Double Down]

And the Transporter.

[JokerLedger]

I've seen Routh in real life... he used to come into my work and he's a real cool guy. One look at him and you really do think of Superman. That's just me of course though.

[SatEL]

Routh has Zero charisma, he has zero screen presence. No matter how much he tries to emulate this he will fail, its really simple and as cliche as it may be the saying if you havent got it then you havent got it comes into play here. I am sure the guy is a nice guy blah de blah but I actually want a convincing Superman this time. What I should wait 6yrs so they can **** up Superman again, how many years will I have to wait after the **** this so called reboot up? I say thanks but no thanks to Routh, Singer film killed any chance he had with me.

[SatEL]

I stopped going to that site. It was poisoning my soul.

I find it refreshing and humorous at times, although some guys can be a tad bit excessive.

[Double Down]

I'm not saying everyone there, but the bad apples are really bad.

[BATZARRO WWD]

Have you ever compared the two? Other than being tall, dark, and handsome, they really look nothing alike. If you were convinced otherwise, I'm afraid that was due to acting. Sorry.

Singer wanted an impersonator for his reenactment and got it. I won't say he's the worst Superman in history, but he's not number 1...or 2...

[GreenKToo]

I guess we can look forward to more crap like i've seen for the last few pages if we have a four yr wait ahead of us.
Somebodies finger is sure gonna get tired hitting the ban button so much.:D

[TheBatman1979]

He also has spent a lot of time playing soccer/football:

A decade later, and with more than 40 films under his belt, Vinnie [Jones is] still playing football with a revolving celebrity team, which includes actors such as Jason Statham, Ray Winstone and Superman star Brandon Routh, as well as ex-Rangers captain Richard Gough.

By the way, that team sounds pretty hard core.

I would not want to meet Vinny Jones in a dark alley because he is the definition of "hardcore".

[TheBatman1979]

Singer wanted an impersonator for his reenactment and got it. I won't say he's the worst Superman in history, but he's not number 1...or 2...

He's not #1 or #2...just out of curiosity who is? Let's check the contestants shall we?

1. Christopher Reeve - He's obviously the odds on Favorite.

2. George Reeves - Is he Really #2 all time, that's for the fans to decide.

3. Brandon Routh - The Rookie

4. Dean Caine - Heh, I can't even come up with something clever for this one.

5. Gerard Christopher - LOL

6. Tom Welling - Aww the heartthrob of 13 year old girls everywhere.

7. Johnny Rockwell - yeah I pulled this out...don't know why.

Now the rest you're going to have to go into voice overs or people who've played him in musicals and plays.

Now I didn't necessarily put these in any order but you tell me, who on this list is such an impressive actor? Any Oscar nods? Any of them Sought after and in demand? So you tell me, Who is the greatest actor to play Superman? And I'll say that performance hasn't been given.

[hippie_hunter]

I find it refreshing and humorous at times, although some guys can be a tad bit excessive.

It is quite humorous. There's a difference between hating the film and just being downright delusional like Steve is like his insistence that Welling was going to be Superman, the next Superman was going to be a reboot when Man of Steel was moving forward in a fashion, JLA not being dead and still going on, thinking that he had a shot in writing the next Superman movie, pointing out that Mark Millar was the favorite in being the next screenwriter, etc.

I was reading the responses from the posters on that site and they actually think that Paul Levitz has no power at all in WB or that LatinoReview lied. And Steve actually e-mailed Robinov every 2 hours to get an answer. Or how he called several WB employees.

It's all pretty funny...and sad.

[Antonello Blueberry]

I was reading the responses from the posters on that site and they actually think that Paul Levitz has no power at all in WB or that LatinoReview lied. And Steve actually e-mailed Robinov every 2 hours to get an answer. Or how he called several WB employees.

It's all pretty funny...and sad.
Did Spielberg call him back to tell him he would finance his Superman movie starring Tom Welling?

[I Am The Knight]

Hey! Steve is shooting his trilogy "back to back to back!"
No kidding!

[Superark]

I would not want to meet Vinny Jones in a dark alley because he is the definition of "hardcore".


Haha, the man is one bad mother! I'd love to see him in a Superman film as a simple street thug or henchman! That would be priceless!

"You cheeky Bastard!"

[SatEL]

He's not #1 or #2...just out of curiosity who is? Let's check the contestants shall we?

1. Christopher Reeve - He's obviously the odds on Favorite.

2. George Reeves - Is he Really #2 all time, that's for the fans to decide.

3. Brandon Routh - The Rookie

4. Dean Caine - Heh, I can't even come up with something clever for this one.

5. Gerard Christopher - LOL

6. Tom Welling - Aww the heartthrob of 13 year old girls everywhere.

7. Johnny Rockwell - yeah I pulled this out...don't know why.

Now the rest you're going to have to go into voice overs or people who've played him in musicals and plays.

Now I didn't necessarily put these in any order but you tell me, who on this list is such an impressive actor? Any Oscar nods? Any of them Sought after and in demand? So you tell me, Who is the greatest actor to play Superman? And I'll say that performance hasn't been given.

Welling is better than Routh any day of the week, hell I would rather have him on board.

[hippie_hunter]

Welling is downright awful.

[SatEL]

Welling is downright awful.

And yet leagues above Routh.

[Double Down]

In the Superman movie pecking order, Levitz is obviously below Steve. Everyone knows that, right?

[Superfreak]

Welling is better than Routh any day of the week, hell I would rather have him on board.

now you've just lost all credibility

[Double Down]

Welling does do a great job at looking confused. And he must know it, because he uses that look a lot.

[Superman-Prime]

Welling is better than Routh any day of the week, hell I would rather have him on board.

I respect your opinion, but...

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[bootspark]

It is quite humorous. There's a difference between hating the film and just being downright delusional like Steve is like his insistence that Welling was going to be Superman, the next Superman was going to be a reboot when Man of Steel was moving forward in a fashion, JLA not being dead and still going on, thinking that he had a shot in writing the next Superman movie, pointing out that Mark Millar was the favorite in being the next screenwriter, etc.

I was reading the responses from the posters on that site and they actually think that Paul Levitz has no power at all in WB or that LatinoReview lied. And Steve actually e-mailed Robinov every 2 hours to get an answer. Or how he called several WB employees.

It's all pretty funny...and sad.

Ahem.....

Steve has been saying Singer and Routh were off the film and there would not be a sequel for a long while now. Guess what? He was right.
Steve knew Miller was off JLA before anyone. JLA is DEAD. He was right.
Millar is just one of the many contenders to write the Superman REBOOT.

Here are the FACTS...

Superman is being REBOOTED. NEW. FRESH.
Singer is OFF the film.
Routh is OFF the film.

Will Welling be the next Superman? Maybe/Maybe Not. But im sure WB will talk with him. He has a better shot than Routh. Which is NONE for Routh.

Any Questions?

[Superman-Prime]

Ahem.....

Steve has been saying Singer and Routh were off the film and there would not be a sequel for a long while now. Guess what? He was right.
Steve knew Miller was off JLA before anyone. JLA is DEAD. He was right.
Millar is just one of the many contenders to write the Superman REBOOT.

Here are the FACTS...

Superman is being REBOOTED. NEW. FRESH.
Singer is OFF the film.
Routh is OFF the film.

Will Welling be the next Superman? Maybe/Maybe Not. But im sure WB will talk with him. He has a better shot than Routh. Which is NONE for Routh.

Any Questions?

I have a question for you.

Why don't you go back to your precious site, the biggest ******** site called SaveSuperman?

Too many people at SaveSuperman, they are worshipping Steve as a god. I find it quite sad and PATHETIC.

[bootspark]

So you dont believe the film is a REBOOT when the president of WB clearly said it is? He also said Singerman didnt position the character the way we wanted. That means everything Singer and Routh did on that film is being SCRAPPED. Rebooted. Starting Over.

How can Routh play the same character again when the franchise is being REBOOTED?

And yes I am a Welling fan. He is this generation's Superman. His performance, looks, presence. Everything about him is SUPERMAN.
But....If he does not play Superman in this REBOOT, I would not be upset. I would want WB and the new director to find the next best person for the job.

As long as its not Routh. I will NOT see the REBOOT if Routh plays the same character again. I gave him a chance even though I hated him ever since I saw the first costume pic. And in my eyes he FAILED on every level.

[SatEL]

now you've just lost all credibility

Couldnt really care less, Welling has been on tv longer and I have seen more sides to him acting wise so perhaps that has an influence on my decision. Routh in Returns was a plank no emotion at all, zero charisma no screen presence. Welling isnt my ideal candidate I believe without a doubt that there is someone better out there but when it comes to a choice between him and Routh. Well lets just say Welling has my vote every single time, I probably will forever remained baffled at the thought that people actually enjoyed Routh performance in that **** fest known as SR.

[SatEL]

Welling does do a great job at looking confused. And he must know it, because he uses that look a lot.

As opposed to Routh blank look.

[SatEL]

I respect your opinion, but...

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I also respect your opinion on liking Superman Returns but...</p>


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[cronosred]

He's not #1 or #2...just out of curiosity who is? Let's check the contestants shall we?

1. Christopher Reeve - He's obviously the odds on Favorite.

2. George Reeves - Is he Really #2 all time, that's for the fans to decide.

3. Brandon Routh - The Rookie

4. Dean Caine - Heh, I can't even come up with something clever for this one.

5. Gerard Christopher - LOL

6. Tom Welling - Aww the heartthrob of 13 year old girls everywhere.

7. Johnny Rockwell - yeah I pulled this out...don't know why.

Now the rest you're going to have to go into voice overs or people who've played him in musicals and plays.

Now I didn't necessarily put these in any order but you tell me, who on this list is such an impressive actor? Any Oscar nods? Any of them Sought after and in demand? So you tell me, Who is the greatest actor to play Superman? And I'll say that performance hasn't been given.


You left off Kirk Alyn and John Newton from your list.

[Superark]

I gotta say this board has been getting a bit ridiculous over the past day or so.

I respect everyone's opinion and feel others should do the same, but some the crap that gets said here b/c that person doesn't like this or that idea about Superman is bull!

I hope we can all grow up some because I rather not read posts about "noobs" "transexuals" "clowns" and other insulting remarks. If I want that I'll just go read the AICN feedback.

Sorry about the rant guys! But some of this stuff has been irking me

[DavidTyler]

I just watched SR for the umpteenth time on cable. The movie just doesn't get better for me and Routh seems more wooden than the first time I saw this film. I don't want Routh back.

If anyone were to come back for the reboot, my vote would go to Spacey. Of course, I wouldn't want the Lex we saw in that film... I really want corporate shark Lex.

[Superark]

DT if you don't like SR why do you keep watching it "umpteenth" number of times?

C'mon you know you're a true SR fan at heart :yay:

[NeoRanger]

It's a hopeless effort. Wishful thinking. I do it too.

Of course, the problem with me is that the first time I saw it, I liked it, but with each subsequent viewing, I like it less and less; a lot less.

[batman44]

DT if you don't like SR why do you keep watching it "umpteenth" number of times?

C'mon you know you're a true SR fan at heart :yay:

I've seen X-men: TLS, FF, and B&R plenty of times, doesn't mean I like those movies.

[DavidTyler]

DT if you don't like SR why do you keep watching it "umpteenth" number of times?

C'mon you know you're a true SR fan at heart :yay:

The same way I watch that awful Swamp Thing movie or Steel - I keep rewriting it and changing the visuals in my head. In the end, it's still the same movie I didn't like when I saw it originally. I guess the fact that I'm a huge Superman fan keeps drawing me in to see it as long as I don't have to put money in Singer's pocket.

And just to be clear, My obsessiion with the character has nothing ... and I really mean NOTHING to do with Superman the Motion Picture. That film gave me a lot of dissapointment as well. The difference between the two films, however, is that S:TMP wasn't a hugely depressing movie that shoved the franchise into a pocket with a kid and a new supporting character who trumps Superman in heroism throughout the film. At least Chris Reeve looked great as the character and I even thought Margot was attractive in that film.

The one thing I gave Singer any kind of props on was that Jimmy was actually a red head for the first time in live action. He was, unfortunately, the comic relief Jimmy of the 1950's repleat with bow tie.

[Superark]

The same way I watch that awful Swamp Thing movie or Steel - I keep rewriting it and changing the visuals in my head. In the end, it's still the same movie I didn't like when I saw it originally. I guess the fact that I'm a huge Superman fan keeps drawing me in to see it as long as I don't have to put money in Singer's pocket.

And just to be clear, My obsessiion with the character has nothing ... and I really mean NOTHING to do with Superman the Motion Picture. That film gave me a lot of dissapointment as well. The difference between the two films, however, is that S:TMP wasn't a hugely depressing movie that shoved the franchise into a pocket with a kid and a new supporting character who trumps Superman in heroism throughout the film. At least Chris Reeve looked great as the character and I even thought Margot was attractive in that film.

The one thing I gave Singer any kind of props on was that Jimmy was actually a red head for the first time in live action. He was, unfortunately, the comic relief Jimmy of the 1950's repleat with bow tie.


Boy I could never keep watching something knowing I hated it. All it would do frustrate me, and who wants that.

At least your getting your reboot DT.

[Michael Corleone]

So you dont believe the film is a REBOOT when the president of WB clearly said it is? He also said Singerman didnt position the character the way we wanted. That means everything Singer and Routh did on that film is being SCRAPPED. Rebooted. Starting Over.



That's the biggest jump I've seen since Evel Knievel tried to jump the grand canyon.

[BMM]

And yes I am a Welling fan. He is this generation's Superman. His performance, looks, presence. Everything about him is SUPERMAN.

:huh: Except for the fact that he has never actually been Superman.

[Crook]

Superman in terms of the suit and flight, yeah. I like to say he's just Clark Kent on the show, but the story has taken him so far into the realm of heroics without actually putting him in the costume...that he minds as well be playing the character.

Either way, he's terrible and should never be considered to be this generation's Superman. :o

[I Am The Knight]

And yes I am a Welling fan. He is this generation's Superman. His performance, looks, presence. Everything about him is SUPERMAN

Yes, that's why fans are 50/50 on him :whatever:

[BMM]

Superman in terms of the suit and flight, yeah. I like to say he's just Clark Kent on the show, but the story has taken him so far into the realm of heroics without actually putting him in the costume...that he minds as well be playing the character.

Either way, he's terrible and should never be considered to be this generation's Superman. :o

I agree.

[bootspark]

If Welling is TERRIBLE, what does that make Routh? What's worse than terrible? :)

Welling is the best actor to play the role since Reeve. Watch the episode where he breaks down and cries after his father dies. Great performance. Very emotional.

And in this current season, his IS Superman. He just doesnt wear the costume.

The thing that bothers me most about Routh is that he doest have sideburns. That is what makes him look like a boy.

[Double Down]

It's your incorrect opinion.

[bootspark]

How is it incorrect? An OPINION is neither true nor false. IMO, Routh is one of the worst actors I have ever seen on film. The worst SuperBOY ever.

That is a FACT. Just Kidding :)

[nintendo nerd]

If Welling is TERRIBLE, what does that make Routh? What's worse than terrible? :)

Welling is the best actor to play the role since Reeve. Watch the episode where he breaks down and cries after his father dies. Great performance. Very emotional.

And in this current season, his IS Superman. He just doesnt wear the costume.

The thing that bothers me most about Routh is that he doest have sideburns. That is what makes him look like a boy.

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[Mikelus]

Q: Before that didn't anyone tell you that you looked like Christopher Reeve?

Routh: No. No one mentioned it until him. So, it's been in the books for a long time because of that. And then when "Smallville" was auditioning I auditioned for that. I got a call back. Was really excited about that. And it didn't happen and I was kind of like, "Well there goes that! There's no way they're gonna do Superman again!" But of course it's been in the works before I even went out there, with [Nic] Cage and all that in the beginning. And I moved to New York right when "Smallville" was happening, that's when I booked "One Life to Live". So I was in New York at the height of promotions for "Smallville", and Tom [Welling] was everywhere. [Laughs] And at that time I was like [pulls a face] [Laughter], but now it's great and I've since, even after that, started watching the show.

http://www.superherohype.com/news.php?id=4195


:word:

[Showtime]

I don't get it?

[mojo-x]

I admit I tend to turn Sr on if it is on TV. To me it’s kind of like that movie Plane 9 form Outer space; it is so bad it is almost entertaining. Every time I watch it I fine something else that either dose not makes since are just pisses me off.

[nintendo nerd]

I don't get it?

I think he wanted to show that Welling got the part in Smallville and not Routh.

[Showtime]

Welling got the part of Clark and Routh got the part of Superman. I think things evened out. I am not sure why they can't both be appreciated for what their roles are in Superman lore but that is just me.

[nintendo nerd]

Welling got the part of Clark and Routh got the part of Superman. I think things evened out. I am not sure why they can't both be appreciated for what their roles are in Superman lore but that is just me.

The problem is that they were playing the character at the same time, so both of them have a very huge fanbase, that's why its so divided. Plus, they are kind of similar, both have a strong resemblance to Reeve,and almost the same age, IMO.

[Showtime]

I guess I can see that, and I can't change thought processes. Although I've tried with my glowing eyes.

[Double Down]

I guess I can see that, and I can't change thought processes. Although I've tried with my glowing eyes.

Your old Superman avatar was more menacing.

[Keyser Soze]

I just watched SR for the umpteenth time on cable. The movie just doesn't get better for me and Routh seems more wooden than the first time I saw this film. I don't want Routh back.

If anyone were to come back for the reboot, my vote would go to Spacey. Of course, I wouldn't want the Lex we saw in that film... I really want corporate shark Lex.

I've said it before, but I think Kevin Spacey played a better Lex Luthor in "Swimming With Sharks" than he did in "Superman Returns". :oldrazz:

[bootspark]

Welling got the part of Clark and Routh got the part of Superman. I think things evened out. I am not sure why they can't both be appreciated for what their roles are in Superman lore but that is just me.

Im sorry, I cant do that. IMO, Routh was not Superman. He was a terrible actor with no sideburns wearing an awful Halloween costume.

Thank the Almighty God that WB is REBOOTING the entire franchise.

Routh is OUT!

[Showtime]

Im sorry, I cant do that. IMO, Routh was not Superman. He was a terrible actor with no sideburns wearing an awful Halloween costume.

Thank the Almighty God that WB is REBOOTING the entire franchise.

Routh is OUT!

You don't have to do like anybody you don't want to. Thank the almighty God for that as well I guess.

Why does he need to have sideburns? He's not Dylan Mckay.

[nintendo nerd]

You don't have to do like anybody you don't want to. Thank the almighty God for that as well I guess.

Why does he need to have sideburns? He's not Dylan Mckay.

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The new Superman :woot:

[Mikelus]

IMO, when you compare both Welling and Routh physically, Welling has a closer Superman look overall, he's bigger and his facial traits are edgier. Acting wise, Welling has a wider range, he plays emotions better, when he plays both Clark and Bizarro in the same episode, he does a great job of being subtle with the changes, same when Clark is on red kryptonite, Tom is good at portraying different emotions and sides of characters. Routh's acting is kind of dull, maybe Singer is in part responsible for it, but Brandon doesn't have much charisma either, you just have it or not.

[nintendo nerd]

IMO, when you compare both Welling and Routh physically, Welling has a closer Superman look overall, he's bigger and his facial traits are edgier. Acting wise, Welling has a wider range, he plays emotions better, when he plays both Clark and Bizarro in the same episode, he does a great job of being subtle with the changes, same when Clark is on red kryptonite, Tom is good at portraying different emotions and sides of characters. Routh's acting is kind of dull, maybe Singer is in part responsible for it, but Brandon doesn't have much charisma either, you just have it or not.

Yeah, Welling is the new Brando. :whatever:

[nintendo nerd]

OK. I'm gonna try to make a comparison between Routh and Welling and how they look as Superman:

Voice= Routh

Size= Welling

Build= Welling

Face= Routh

Presence= Routh

Acting Skills= Tie ( They are not great actors ).



IMO.

[bootspark]

imo, when you compare both welling and routh physically, welling has a closer superman look overall, he's bigger and his facial traits are edgier. Acting wise, welling has a wider range, he plays emotions better, when he plays both clark and bizarro in the same episode, he does a great job of being subtle with the changes, same when clark is on red kryptonite, tom is good at portraying different emotions and sides of characters. Routh's acting is kind of dull, maybe singer is in part responsible for it, but brandon doesn't have much charisma either, you just have it or not.

qft! :)

And...Welling has a very deep voice. In the earlier seasons, Welling was making his voice higher so he could play younger. But now in this season, he is using his natural deep voice.

Routh has NO presence and his face is very boyish.

[Double Down]

IMO, when you compare both Welling and Routh physically, Welling has a closer Superman look overall, he's bigger and his facial traits are edgier. Acting wise, Welling has a wider range, he plays emotions better, when he plays both Clark and Bizarro in the same episode, he does a great job of being subtle with the changes, same when Clark is on red kryptonite, Tom is good at portraying different emotions and sides of characters. Routh's acting is kind of dull, maybe Singer is in part responsible for it, but Brandon doesn't have much charisma either, you just have it or not.

Welling's biggest problem is where to put all those Emmys.

[bootspark]

Welling's biggest problem is where to put all those Emmys.

IMO, he gave Emmy worthy performances in Reckoning and Vengeance. The scene at the end of Vengeance when he finally accepted Jonathan's death and broke down in tears was highly emotional. Great performance.

Much better than Routh's "Shatner school of acting" performance in SR.

[bootspark]

OK. I'm gonna try to make a comparison between Routh and Welling and how they look as Superman:

Voice= Routh

Size= Welling

Build= Welling

Face= Routh

Presence= Routh

Acting Skills= Tie ( They are not great actors ).



IMO.

Voice = Welling
Size = Welling
Build = Welling
Face = Welling
Presence = Welling
Acting Skills = Welling

Getting Fired from a Soap Opera = Priceless

[Hunter Rider]

No bias there at all....

[Double Down]

IMO, he gave Emmy worthy performances in Reckoning and Vengeance. The scene at the end of Vengeance when he finally accepted Jonathan's death and broke down in tears was highly emotional. Great performance.

Much better than Routh's "Shatner school of acting" performance in SR.


Shatner has won TWO Emmys.

[Nirvana]

I don't respect people's opinions. :oldrazz:

[Hunter Rider]

:woot:

[Showtime]

Much better than Routh's "Shatner school of acting" performance in SR.

Shatner has won TWO Emmys.

That JUST happened.

[Mikelus]

IMO, he gave Emmy worthy performances in Reckoning and Vengeance. The scene at the end of Vengeance when he finally accepted Jonathan's death and broke down in tears was highly emotional. Great performance.


And in these episodes too, he's pretty damn good:

- 5.07 Splinter (paranoid Clark)

- 6.01 Zod
- 6.12 Labyrinth (phantom getting Clark crazy)
- 6.13 Crimson (red K Clark)
- 6.16 Promise
- 6.22 Phantom (Clark vs Bizarro act I)

- 7.01 Bizarro
- 7.09 Gemini (Bizarro impersonating Clark, brilliant!)
- 7.10 Persona (Clark/Bizarro)
- 7.16 Descent
- 7.18 Apocalypse
- 7.20 Arctic


:super:

:word:

[I Am The Knight]

A big :whatever: at this whole page... :down :down

EDIT: Or the one before this, I guess...

[Showtime]

Yeah...so anyway...The Plan Is To Reintroduce SUPERMAN.

[Mostpowerful]

A big :whatever: at this whole page... :down :down

EDIT: Or the one before this, I guess...

haha, I'm right there with you... WTH?! :huh: LOL! :hehe:

[Mostpowerful]

I gotta say this board has been getting a bit ridiculous over the past day or so.

I respect everyone's opinion and feel others should do the same, but some the crap that gets said here b/c that person doesn't like this or that idea about Superman is bull!

I hope we can all grow up some because I rather not read posts about "noobs" "transexuals" "clowns" and other insulting remarks. If I want that I'll just go read the AICN feedback.

Sorry about the rant guys! But some of this stuff has been irking me

Yeah, fanboy planet can get soo sad and juvenile a lot of the time. It's so disappointing. I wonder if they really understand what being a fan of Superman is all about... :huh:

[Mikelus]

Yeah...so anyway...The Plan Is To Reintroduce SUPERMAN.

and TPTB don't seem to know what they really want yet. :o

[MAN O STEEL]

What the hell is a TPTB?






Steve

[Hunter Rider]

The Powers That Be.

[I Am The Knight]

haha, I'm right there with you... WTH?! :huh: LOL! :hehe:

Yeah...These boards sometimes...Anyways, back on topic :hehe:

[bootspark]

Yeah, fanboy planet can get soo sad and juvenile a lot of the time. It's so disappointing. I wonder if they really understand what being a fan of Superman is all about... :huh:

Can I be a Superman fan without being a Routh fan? Is it not juvenile to to be crying "Bring Routh Back"? If you are a true Superman fan, its time to let Routh go and accept that WB is REBOOTING Superman to a new generation. That means NEW actor for the role.

Im a Welling fan, but I've accepted that he most likely will not get the part. Just like Routh will NOT be returning.

REBOOTING means new actor, new director, new story, new direction.

Ive accepted that. Can you?

[bunk]

and TPTB don't seem to know what they really want yet. :o


It's true. WB is run by all of my past girlfriends.

[Sam]

Voice = Welling
Size = Welling
Build = Welling
Face = Welling
Presence = Welling
Acting Skills = Welling

Getting Fired from a Soap Opera = Priceless

If warner wants to make SMALLVILLE: THE MOVIE, Welling is ok. Otherwise... NO! :)

[Sam]

Welling is better than Routh any day of the week, hell I would rather have him on board.

Ive never seen Welling as Superman.. did u?

[BATZARRO WWD]

He's not #1 or #2...just out of curiosity who is? Let's check the contestants shall we?

1. Christopher Reeve - He's obviously the odds on Favorite.

2. George Reeves - Is he Really #2 all time, that's for the fans to decide.

3. Brandon Routh - The Rookie

4. Dean Caine - Heh, I can't even come up with something clever for this one.

5. Gerard Christopher - LOL

6. Tom Welling - Aww the heartthrob of 13 year old girls everywhere.

7. Johnny Rockwell - yeah I pulled this out...don't know why.

Now the rest you're going to have to go into voice overs or people who've played him in musicals and plays.

Now I didn't necessarily put these in any order but you tell me, who on this list is such an impressive actor? Any Oscar nods? Any of them Sought after and in demand? So you tell me, Who is the greatest actor to play Superman? And I'll say that performance hasn't been given.

Well, i'm not gonna try to convince you that his acting in Superman Returns wasn't inspiring. It underwhelmed me, but maybe I didn't see something you see, and my opinion isn't the absolute truth(wich reminds me to get back to work on that mind control device project...).

That said, I think making a Superman movie should be an organic process. It shouldn't be about Welling fans or salvaging Routh. It shouldn't be about fans, period. It should be about making great movie about the first Superhero. If you can convince me Routh is instrumental in any way to making a great movie, I'll listen. But as of right now, I don't see him making a better film. He had few lines in the last film, and they wern't that great, I'll give him that. But how am I supposed to leap from that to "but he's a great awesome actor who'll make the film compelling"?

By the way, Rose McGowan only got roles in Robert Rodriguez films because she slept with him.

[Gmanofsteel]

6. Tom Welling - Aww the heartthrob of 13 year old girls everywhere.


I love the lack of logic in this post. The show has been on air for 7, going on 8 years now. I personally was 16 when the show started back in 2001. A majority of the loyal viewers and fans of Welling are grown adults.

Welling is better than Routh any day of the week, hell I would rather have him on board.

I agree :up:

[Hunter Rider]

I love the lack of logic in this post. The show has been on air for 7, going on 8 years now. I personally was 16 when the show started back in 2001. A majority of the loyal viewers and fans of Welling are grown adults.


Not to mention you are a dude not a teenage girl.

Personally I don't think either Welling or Routh are particularly good actors, they are both Ok as Clark though, I'd prefer going away from the no name thing and looking for an actor on RDJ and Bale's level.

[NeoRanger]

Yeah, fanboy planet can get soo sad and juvenile a lot of the time. It's so disappointing. I wonder if they really understand what being a fan of Superman is all about... :huh:

The other day you called me a troll out of the blue. As you have done for countless others in several boards. (exaggeration admitted)

Can we cut down a bit on the hypocrisy and the "holier-than-thou" attitude? A good bunch of us were fans of Superman before you knew his suit is blue.

[Gmanofsteel]

Not to mention you are a dude not a teenage girl.

yeah, that too ;)

[Mostpowerful]

He's not #1 or #2...just out of curiosity who is? Let's check the contestants shall we?

1. Christopher Reeve - He's obviously the odds on Favorite.

2. George Reeves - Is he Really #2 all time, that's for the fans to decide.

3. Brandon Routh - The Rookie

4. Dean Caine - Heh, I can't even come up with something clever for this one.

5. Gerard Christopher - LOL

6. Tom Welling - Aww the heartthrob of 13 year old girls everywhere.

7. Johnny Rockwell - yeah I pulled this out...don't know why.

Now the rest you're going to have to go into voice overs or people who've played him in musicals and plays.

Now I didn't necessarily put these in any order but you tell me, who on this list is such an impressive actor? Any Oscar nods? Any of them Sought after and in demand? So you tell me, Who is the greatest actor to play Superman? And I'll say that performance hasn't been given.

Dean Cain!!! :woot: :cwink:

http://blogs.usaweekend.com/whos_news/2008/08/tell-us-who-is.html

LOL!

Personally:

Reeve/Routh #1

Reeves/Allyn (sp?) #2

The rest are just tolerable/bad




Welling is downright awful.

Yup.


Welling does do a great job at looking confused. And he must know it, because he uses that look a lot.

Agreed.



Ive never seen Welling as Superman.. did u?

Me neither. Superman doesn't even exist in Smallville yet.




Personally I don't think either Welling or Routh are particularly good actors, they are both Ok as Clark though, I'd prefer going away from the no name thing and looking for an actor on RDJ and Bale's level.

Personally, I prefer Keaton and Adam West over Bale's Batman. I'm not impressed with his batman at all. I like it ok. His Bruce Wayne is really good, though.

[millennium movies]

Agreed on his Batman, well he was 50/50 as Batman, it always depended on the scene and how the suit looked as well.

[wellsy]

Ah, the more things change, the more they stay the same. Such fun to be had here.

I suppose that's why I'm er, always around... here. :whatever:

[millennium movies]

Ah, the more things change, the more they stay the same. Such fun to be had here.

I suppose that's why I'm er, always around... here. :whatever:

It's okay to say it...you want a hug don't you? :hehe:

[SatEL]

And in these episodes too, he's pretty damn good:

- 5.07 Splinter (paranoid Clark)

- 6.01 Zod
- 6.12 Labyrinth (phantom getting Clark crazy)
- 6.13 Crimson (red K Clark)
- 6.16 Promise
- 6.22 Phantom (Clark vs Bizarro act I)

- 7.01 Bizarro
- 7.09 Gemini (Bizarro impersonating Clark, brilliant!)
- 7.10 Persona (Clark/Bizarro)
- 7.16 Descent
- 7.18 Apocalypse
- 7.20 Arctic


:super:

:word:

Dont forget transference, his acting in that was amazing. I love the way he changed his whole mannerism.

[Antonello Blueberry]

So you dont believe the film is a REBOOT when the president of WB clearly said it is? He also said Singerman didnt position the character the way we wanted. That means everything Singer and Routh did on that film is being SCRAPPED. Rebooted. Starting Over.

How can Routh play the same character again when the franchise is being REBOOTED?

And yes I am a Welling fan. He is this generation's Superman. His performance, looks, presence. Everything about him is SUPERMAN.
But....If he does not play Superman in this REBOOT, I would not be upset. I would want WB and the new director to find the next best person for the job.

As long as its not Routh. I will NOT see the REBOOT if Routh plays the same character again. I gave him a chance even though I hated him ever since I saw the first costume pic. And in my eyes he FAILED on every level.
Did Robinov ever used the word REBOOT?

[NeoRanger]

Regardless of bootspark's determination on the subject, how many studio execs actually use the term "reboot"- a computer term that's passed onto other mediums, no less?

No matter what they will eventually do, there is no reason to read between the lines and hang onto words, to make some sense out of what's happening. With that August statement, it was fairly obvious that WB wanted a very different Superman movie, without baggage.

[The son becomes]

it was fairly obvious that WB wanted a very different Superman movie, without baggage.

Then why did they greenlight the film? They read the script and loved the pitch, truth is $400m just wasn't enough for them.

[NeoRanger]

Reread what we're saying. We're not talking about Superman Returns.

[bunk]

Personally I don't think either Welling or Routh are particularly good actors, they are both Ok as Clark though, I'd prefer going away from the no name thing and looking for an actor on RDJ and Bale's level.

That would be my preference. How else to they end to compete with Marvel and bring in TDK money? Unfortunately, the "Superman look" is tough to find with an established actor.

[Ultimate_Superman]

So with the announcement that Routh may be Superman again this board has finally traveled back to 2004 where every topic is Routh vs Welling.

[The Sage]

Not to mention you are a dude not a teenage girl.


:hehe:


Personally I don't think either Welling or Routh are particularly good actors, they are both Ok as Clark though, I'd prefer going away from the no name thing and looking for an actor on RDJ and Bale's level.


I personally found Routh to be better than Welling, but you're right about a no name or lesser known on the level of the RDJ and Bale in acting talent.

[Showtime]

Reread what we're saying. We're not talking about Superman Returns.

No, but apparently we are talking about Smallville in this thread, which doesn't belong either.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

IMO, when you compare both Welling and Routh physically, Welling has a closer Superman look overall, he's bigger and his facial traits are edgier. Acting wise, Welling has a wider range, he plays emotions better, when he plays both Clark and Bizarro in the same episode, he does a great job of being subtle with the changes, same when Clark is on red kryptonite, Tom is good at portraying different emotions and sides of characters. Routh's acting is kind of dull, maybe Singer is in part responsible for it, but Brandon doesn't have much charisma either, you just have it or not.

Sorry, but that bolded part made me laugh, hysterically.

[FlawlessVictory]

The other day you called me a troll out of the blue. As you have done for countless others in several boards. (exaggeration admitted)

Can we cut down a bit on the hypocrisy and the "holier-than-thou" attitude? A good bunch of us were fans of Superman before you knew his suit is blue.

Agreed. I've noticed the hypocrisy as well and I love her posts where she states that if you didn't like SR that you probably "just didn't get it, and too bad for you", taking little jabs like that.

I wonder if they really understand what being a fan of Superman is all about... :huh:

Can you please educate us on what being a fan of Superman is all about? I guess since I'm not dreaming 24/7 of seeing Routh as Superman again I must not be a real fan of Superman. Am I not real fan of Superman because I could care less whether Routh returns and would actually prefer a complete reboot with all new actors? :rolleyes:

[bunk]

Welling does have a better build for the character now that he's gotten a little older. His acting really isn't any better than Routh. If you put Welling in SR saying the same lines, it would be no better, possibly worse. Conversely, if you put Routh in Smallville you'd end up with a similar result. They are both sub par actors I'm afraid. It ends up coming down to which sub par acting you prefer.

[Showtime]

I love this "real fan" vs "not a real fan" argument.

[Ultimate_Superman]

I love this "real fan" vs "not a real fan" argument.
I love that too where your a real fan if you did not love SR and want either Welling as Superman or a reboot and you are not a real fan if you did love SR.

It is really funny.

[GreenKToo]

I think a so called ''real fan'' would see it if Routh were in it or not. Personally, I don't want him back for the reboot, but i'd still see it if he were.

[Ultimate_Superman]

I think a so called ''real fan'' would see it if Routh were in it or not. Personally, I don't want him back for the reboot, but i'd still see it if he were.
Well then your not a real fan to some fan because you are willing to see it if Routh comes back. But then again your also not a real fan if you don't want him back. It is pretty much a damned if you do damned if you don't type of thing.

[GreenKToo]

I guess i'm saying that i'm a fan of SUPERman, not the actor(s) that play him.
As long as said actor(s) look the part and can act, then i'm good to go.

[DavidTyler]

Here's my bottom line about Routh ... if he comes back, it looks to the GP as if it's a sequel to SR. A new cast including the lead role will make it obvious to all that it's a new franchise.

As to Routh's skill - I've only ever seen him in one other role. He played the gay ex-lover of a boy who was killed 20 years ago on an episode of Cold Case (I think that was the name of the show). I thought at the time that he had a Superman kind of look but he didn't demonstrate any great acting chops.

Of course, a lot of what an actor does on screen has to do with direction given by the Director and the script. The dialogue given to Supes/Clark was weak and sparse. I could defend Routh saying this but Spacey was saddled with the same kind of weak dialogue and actually did well with it. It didn't make the script any better but Spacey was able to emote between the lines. Routh wasn't.

[Superman-Prime]

Voice = Welling
Size = Welling
Build = Welling
Face = Welling
Presence = Welling
Acting Skills = Welling

Getting Fired from a Soap Opera = Priceless

Congrats, you've proved yourself a troll. Thank you.

[Gmanofsteel]

I love that too where your a real fan if you did not love SR and want either Welling as Superman or a reboot and you are not a real fan if you did love SR.

It is really funny.

Actually, its being portrayed the other way around where you are a real fan if you did love SR and liked the idea of Routh as Superman in a reboot and you are not a real fan if you didn't like SR and wanted Welling in a reboot.

[Superman-Prime]

I'm a fan of Superman for many years. A true fan and personally, I thought Brandon Routh was awesome as Superman. Does that mean I'm still a fan of Superman?