Reintroducing Superman: An Open Discussion

[RachelDawes]

Excuse my nosiness, but what board is RB?

I have the same question.

I'd give master Bruce more than a hug :cwink:

he is so beautiful.

So true. :heart:

But a Gotham citizen wouldn't necessarily know Batman was Bruce Wayne. :cwink:

Batman is hawt even with his mask on.

I thought Brandon Routh was also very good-looking as Superman. I'd be lying if I said that didn't play a little part in why I wouldn't mind him coming back.

[RachelDawes]

there are plenty of instances in the comics and S:TAS where Clark has dropped by the farm to talk with the parents....I think that's nice

Same here. It's sweet that Clark talks to his parents so often and it's a good way to get the Kents involved in the story.

[p4poetic]

But a Gotham citizen wouldn't necessarily know Batman was Bruce Wayne. :cwink:

I LOVE that cape, though. That cape is so badass.

Yes, but I wouldn't be just any Gotham citizen now would I? :cwink:

I think you already know -- pitbull. C'mon, who else has a Lucy Lawless and Amy Jo Johnson fansite? ;)

WELL THERE GOES MY SECRET IDENTITY.

I really should invest in a costume or something. I seem to make it too obvious.

[Nightwing1977]

I don't know what 'RB' is...

Running back? ;)



Batman is hawt even with his mask on.



Of course you think he is hawt. He just told you who he is under the mask. Does "It's not who I am underneath. But what I do, that defines me." ring a bell? :p :p

[p4poetic]

I thought Brandon Routh was also very good-looking as Superman. I'd be lying if I said that didn't play a little part in why I wouldn't mind him coming back.

Eh. Christopher Reeve and especially Dean Cain were far more attractive. His eyebrows bothered me the whole time I watched the movie. If it wasn't that, it was Kate Bosworth's forehead.

[I am Batman]

Eh. Christopher Reeve and especially Dean Cain were far more attractive. His eyebrows bothered me the whole time I watched the movie. If it wasn't that, it was Kate Bosworth's forehead.

His hairstyle and boyish looks annoyed me more.

[DavidTyler]

That was just my personal opinion; seeing as I grew up with the Pre-COIE Superman, and a major turning point for the transition from Superboy to Superman was the passing of the Kents. It makes Superman a more solitary character, and to me it makes him more interesting!


I grew up with the Silver Age comix too but I absolutely don't believe the Kent's (Pa or Ma or both) need to be dead. In fact, neither did a lot of comix fans. It was because those characters became very popular in the Superboy comix that they decided to keep them around when the Superboy continuity was done away with. For me, I loved having the Kent's still around to act as Clark's touchstone with who he is at his core. The Kent's didn't solve his problems for him and he didn't go whining to them. It was a good place for him to let down his guard and just be himself. Sure he shared his quandries with them but who doesn't use their parents as a place to vent or as a kind of council.

For me, Byrne and Wolfman got it right.

[X Knight]

plus, having both Kents alive is a refreshing change from what seems to be the norm of having the hero's parent(s) die ( which ends up being the catalyst for becoming a hero ).

[p4poetic]

His hairstyle and boyish looks annoyed me more.

He looks way better as himself, outside of Superman.

http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/2717/brandonrouth0024016cd7.jpg

[Double Down]

If Routh Returns, they will give him a shorter haircut, I would imagine. He does look better with the shorter cut.

[RachelDawes]

plus, having both Kents alive is a refreshing change from what seems to be the norm of having the hero's parent(s) die ( which ends up being the catalyst for becoming a hero ).

Yeah, Clark's tragedy happened when his parents blew up when he was an infant. Let his life be basically happy after that.

[X Knight]

Yeah, Clark's tragedy happened when his parents blew up when he was an infant. Let his life be basically happy after that.

right.....Superman should be a hero born out of hope and a loving and nurturing upbringing.......not one born out of tragedy and violence......

[RachelDawes]

He looks way better as himself, outside of Superman.

http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/2717/brandonrouth0024016cd7.jpg

He kind of looks like an alien in this picture. That's a good thing. That's not the only reason I wouldn't mind seeing him return as Superman, though.

[DavidTyler]

He looks way better as himself, outside of Superman.

http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/2717/brandonrouth0024016cd7.jpg

That's because his hair isn't greased down.


I can't say this enough.... Clark shouldn't have floppy hair. His should be under control. Superman's hair should be free and a little messy. After all, he's flying around with the wind in his hair. What? Does he stop and restyle his hair before landing?

[p4poetic]

That's because his hair isn't greased down.


I can't say this enough.... Clark shouldn't have floppy hair. His should be under control. Superman's hair should be free and a little messy. After all, he's flying around with the wind in his hair. What? Does he stop and restyle his hair before landing?

Cain looked fine with gelled hair.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v53/floetic_justice/lac/TPVLL1197.jpg

Although I found him more attractive as Clark, ironically. Either way, the man is an Adonis.

http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/222/th15c2571378hy9.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v53/floetic_justice/lac/PML722.jpg

I don't think the slicked back hair worked for G. Reeves.

http://www.robertxgillis.com/uploaded_images/GR-portrait1-785850.jpg

He is actually quite attractive. Just not in the Superman show.

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/4701/georgereeves151805089pt6.jpg

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/7915/georgereeves161792251rb8.jpg

[Mostpowerful]

Yeah, but I think Superman becomes a bolder character if he is forced to handle things on his own with out the safety net of the Kents there. But of course this is just my personal opinion.

YES! :up:



He looks way better as himself, outside of Superman.



He looks fantastic ANY way. And I love his eyebrows the way they are; they make him distinct, very supermanish, manly and bold, like Superman. Some artists draw Supes with thick eyebrows, and I like it a lot. I see them as a very Kryptonian signature.



I have the same question.



So true. :heart:



Batman is hawt even with his mask on.

I thought Brandon Routh was also very good-looking as Superman. I'd be lying if I said that didn't play a little part in why I wouldn't mind him coming back.

I wasn't sure if you were a girl... your are, right? :woot: And you have good taste.



Yeah, Clark's tragedy happened when his parents blew up when he was an infant. Let his life be basically happy after that.

It's not just that Pa kent's death is a tragic event, it's more like adding another layer to Superman's personal life. Once Clark is 18, he has learned enough from Pa Kent. Pa Kent's role is not needed anymore, IMO.

[NeoRanger]

^^ And on that note, since I've personally reached 23, I'm going to kill my dad. I think he's still asleep. It'll be a breeze.

[Mulanzo]

^ I for one, hope you have terrible aim...

[RachelDawes]

He looks fantastic ANY way. And I love his eyebrows the way they are; they make him distinct, very supermanish, manly and bold, like Superman. Some artists draw Supes with thick eyebrows, and I like it a lot. I see them as a very Kryptonian signature.

I like his eyebrows too. :woot: I never thought if them as being Kryptonian. I guess they could be.

I wasn't sure if you were a girl... your are, right? :woot: And you have good taste.

:funny: Yes! Not many men would call themselves Rachel Dawes, I wager. Thanks for the compliment. :up:

It's not just that Pa kent's death is a tragic event, it's more like adding another layer to Superman's personal life. Once Clark is 18, he has learned enough from Pa Kent. Pa Kent's role is not needed anymore, IMO.

I don't think it really does add much to Superman. It just makes him more like every other superhero out there. I like the idea of the Kents being sort of like Alfred. Alfred is one of the few people Bruce Wayne can talk to just as himself. There's no need for a disguise or to pretend to be a vapid playboy. As many people on this board have said, Clark on the farm is the real Clark. When he talks to his parents, that's the real man talking. How else will we get to know the real man if not through conversations with his both his parents?

^^ And on that note, since I've personally reached 23, I'm going to kill my dad. I think he's still asleep. It'll be a breeze.

^ I for one, hope you have terrible aim...

These were the first two posts I saw when I clicked on this thread and they left me thinking :huh: I was worried I'd stumbled onto a public murder plot. :funny:

[Man of Tomorrow]

I like his eyebrows too. :woot: I never thought if them as being Kryptonian. I guess they could be.

I agree. They add maturity to his superhero look.

He's easily my favorite in Superman appearance of the top three fan choices. (Recent pics)

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/02E0dhx2tg1Zh/610x.jpg

http://www.superheroprofiles.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/tom-welling-nc1.jpg

http://matty.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/03/20/henry_cavill.jpg

[daywalker2007]

in those recent pics, Routh wipes the floor with any other candidate for Superman.

He looks even more Superman than before!

Cavill is looking a bit too short there in that pic.

Welling still looks 17 for some strange reason, even though he is over 30.

[p4poetic]

Hmm, I guess the bushy eyebrow Brooke Shields look is my not for me. I like thick but shapely eyebrows (I can't believe we're talking about eyebrows LOL. Sorry, its all my fault).

I think Cain looks the best in general simply because he looks "exotic" than the others. But yes, I'm biased. But he also has a baby face, which looks better for Clark than Superman. Reeve is more handsome than Routh.

That's not a good picture of Welling (for an example, I mean). He is made to look 17 on the show. Most actors who play teenagers are much older. Although he can look kind of girly at times, he has a nice Superman face.

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj287/Superfidget/Smallville/Clark-CommittedCropped.jpg

To speak of the people who are rarely spoken about, I found Gerard Christopher's curl was too perfectly placed (oh God am I anal!).

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[GreenKToo]

Gawd, we need some news.

[Superark]

Gawd, we need some news.

Agreed!!!

I mean really folks are beginning to discuss eyebrows for goodness sakes!

[SatEL]

in those recent pics, Routh wipes the floor with any other candidate for Superman.

He looks even more Superman than before!

Cavill is looking a bit too short there in that pic.

Welling still looks 17 for some strange reason, even though he is over 30.

Actually from those 3 pics Welling looks the best no contest, the guy has the Superman look down to perfection and the body as well. Routh to me doesnt look a thing like Superman and well I dont mind Cavill there are always lifts for shoes and boots.

[Pickle-El]

Why do people like to post pics of Welling where his arms or chest are the most prominent things on display......it's quite funny actually. It's like, "hey look at those guns, there's Superman!"

[SatEL]

Why do people like to post pics of Welling where his arms or chest are the most prominent things on display......it's quite funny actually. It's like, "hey look at those guns, there's Superman!"

Its not their fault Welling is built like a tank and Routh well his ermmmm well he looks like Reeve. I am sure if the Routh fans had similair pics to post they would.:woot:

[p4poetic]

Why do people like to post pics of Welling where his arms or chest are the most prominent things on display......it's quite funny actually. It's like, "hey look at those guns, there's Superman!"

Actually, I posted it because I like the way his face looks in the picture.

[Man of Tomorrow]

That's not a good picture of Welling (for an example, I mean). He is made to look 17 on the show.

Hence why I didnt post a picture of him from the show.

He looks brain dead in the one you posted.



I think Cain looks the best in general

That's horrible.

[Man of Tomorrow]

Its not their fault Welling is built like a tank and Routh well his ermmmm well he looks like Reeve. I am sure if the Routh fans had similair pics to post they would.:woot:

If this were Bluetights, they would have posted the pictures of BR pumping iron by now.

Thankfully it won't come to that here.

BR can get into whatever shape they want him to be in for the film, so measuring mass is pointless right now.

Reeve went from skinny in his audition tapes to a big build in Superman 1/2, to a HUGE build in Superman 3 and then to a lean build in Superman 4.

If the studio wants Routh/Superman to have a bulkier appearance, it will happen.

[Mostpowerful]

I agree. They add maturity to his superhero look.

He's easily my favorite in Superman appearance of the top three fan choices. (Recent pics)

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/02E0dhx2tg1Zh/610x.jpg





He looks GREAT. He looks so supermanish that it hurts, imo.

Hey, Mulanzo, mate, could you or anyone else, please manip the suit and the blue eyes to him in this pic, please, pretty, please? :yay:




in those recent pics, Routh wipes the floor with any other candidate for Superman.

He looks even more Superman than before!

Cavill is looking a bit too short there in that pic.

Welling still looks 17 for some strange reason, even though he is over 30.

WORD.

[Mostpowerful]

Hmm, I guess the bushy eyebrow Brooke Shields look is my not for me. I like thick but shapely eyebrows (I can't believe we're talking about eyebrows LOL. Sorry, its all my fault).

I think Cain looks the best in general simply because he looks "exotic" than the others. But yes, I'm biased. But he also has a baby face, which looks better for Clark than Superman. Reeve is more handsome than Routh.

That's not a good picture of Welling (for an example, I mean). He is made to look 17 on the show. Most actors who play teenagers are much older. Although he can look kind of girly at times, he has a nice Superman face.

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj287/Superfidget/Smallville/Clark-CommittedCropped.jpg



-Yes, it's your fault.

-Cain may look more exotic, BUT he looks nothing like the Superman from the comics as we know him. I understand you thing he is the best looking man ever (it seems), I think he is cute myself, but Superman material he is not, and never has been, IMO.

-I think Welling looks girly, as you put it, ALL the time, especially in that pic. He looks too young and boyish. I mean, he was cast to play a teen when he was ALREADY a man!

[Webhead2006]

only thing i really though routh and reeve had simular was some facial details their bodies were totally different. Reeve was a more bulkier type of a frame in the earlier superman films were routh's sr look was a leaner body.

[p4poetic]

Hence why I didnt post a picture of him from the show.

He looks brain dead in the one you posted.

I thought he had a very Superman like facial expression there (shrug).

That's horrible.

Oh well. :whatever: And you shouldn't chop my sentence in half. I like that he looks different. He should. Superman is an alien. He shouldn't look like everyone else in Kansas. Its not like he's Lana Lang in Smallville.

-Yes, it's your fault.

-Cain may look more exotic, BUT he looks nothing like the Superman from the comics as we know him. I understand you thing he is the best looking man ever (it seems), I think he is cute myself, but Superman material he is not, and never has been, IMO.

He doesn't look like Superman from the comics no, but he looks like the Clark Kent/Superman that was drawn in the 1940s cartoons. The whole first season of Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman had a very old school feel, and that's what I liked about it.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v53/floetic_justice/lac/oldschoolckdeancain.jpg

http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/6662/pml5396701166kr2.th.jpg (http://img393.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pml5396701166kr2.jpg)

-I think Welling looks girly, as you put it, ALL the time, especially in that pic. He looks too young and boyish. I mean, he was cast to play a teen when he was ALREADY a man!

Lets not act like both Welling and Routh did not look 'feminine' in their modeling days. Whereas when Cain was their age (early 20s) he was far more 'masculine'.

http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/1430/tom20570695fr5.jpg

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/5896/brandonrouth0577713jf9.jpg

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/7008/deanaucollege0582833nb4.jpg

[Ultimate_Superman]

To me Routh is more cut and lean like how Webhead said which IMO is how Superman should be to avoid people saying "Hey Clark Kent and Superman have the same build and it makes it more easy for Clark to fall into the background. I say Bruce Wayne should have Bale's look as well where he can also fade into the background but at the same time have the ladies take notices. See Routh and Bale IMO have the perfect build for Superman and Batman in the real world where you don't have a Superman with tons of muscle. Welling has a good build to but IMO Welling build is better suited for a person playing Superman 24/7 (which is what he has been doing so far in a matter of speaking) and not Superman/Clark Kent. How ever I do think if Welling does not get the role of Superman he could really make a good Captain America.

[Man of Tomorrow]

Reeve's natural body was lean.

Check out his audition tape and then his appearance during the off-years from Superman.

Reeve just worked out hard to bulk up.


Routh did as well but they didn't want him to get bigger than the suits (designed for a leaner Superman) would allow. They show this on the DVD.

Routh has Hugh Jackman's trainer too and they were instructing him on the dvd to not let Brandon get any bigger or he'll bust the suit seams.

[Mostpowerful]

Reeve's natural body was lean.

Check out his audition tape and then his appearance during the off-years from Superman.

Reeve just worked out hard to bulk up.


Routh did as well but they didn't want him to get bigger than the suits (designed for a leaner Superman) would allow. They show this on the DVD.

Routh has Hugh Jackman's trainer too and they were instructing him on the dvd to not let Brandon get any bigger or he'll bust the suit seams.

Exactly. But some people choose to ignore this fact. The truth is that Brandon CAN get bigger if required.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Correct as well remember people there were some padded suits he wore but he also wore some non padded suits as well. Routh was ripped for Superman and has gotten himself in better shape where he is not huge but is more or less Bale's size for the Batman movies which IMO is a good size.

[Man of Tomorrow]

I thought he had a very Superman like facial expression there (shrug).

He has better pictures. That one just reminds me of this

http://irqportz.files.wordpress.com/2006/09/smallville-season6.jpg

[Webhead2006]

yea i know that i just wish he was a bit bigger but singer wanted his supes to be lean for what ever reason.

[Superark]

Ugh!!! Not more of the Welling vs. Routh wars!

Will that debate ever die?!?!

[Ultimate_Superman]

yea i know that i just wish he was a bit bigger but singer wanted his supes to be lean for what ever reason.That reason is so Clark doesn't stand out. For example Welling and Cain's Clark is so built that you can't help but notice them. Reeve and Routh's were more cut and close to the size of Bale so they could fade into the background if they want to but at the same time you can notice they are built. Like how Richard in Superman Returns pointed out as well as Lois in Superman II TRDC.

[Mostpowerful]

He doesn't look like Superman from the comics no, but he looks like the Clark Kent/Superman that was drawn in the 1940s cartoons. The whole first season of Lois and Clark was very old school, and that's what I liked about it.



Lets not act like both Welling and Routh did not look 'feminine' in their modeling days. Whereas when Cain was their age (early 20s) he was far more 'masculine'.

http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/1430/tom20570695fr5.jpg

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/5896/brandonrouth0577713jf9.jpg

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/7008/deanaucollege0582833nb4.jpg

Sorry, but Brandon has NEVER looked feminine to me. Boyish, yes, when he was younger, but now? NO. He looks like a man around 30. And in that pic you chose of Brandon there, I don't like it much; the expression is kinda off putting. Kinda emo, like they say. :woot: And the Welling pic is more proof of what I said before.

And again, I don't see Superman in Cain FROM ANY ERA, century or universe. :csad:

And I'm out for lunch. bye, guys.

[Ultimate_Superman]

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/5896/brandonrouth0577713jf9.jpg


Is it just me ore does anyone else think he looks like Smallville's Green Arrow in this pic?

[Man of Tomorrow]

Oh well. :whatever: And you shouldn't chop my sentence in half. I like that he looks different. He should. Superman is an alien. He shouldn't look like everyone else in Kansas. Its not like he's Lana Lang in Smallville.

Youre confusing looking racially diverse/exotic like Cain looked with looking outworldly (alien-like) as Reeve/Routh and even Welling appear.

Dean looked partly asian, but that doesn't make him look like an alien. :whatever: This isn't the planet of caucasions.

[p4poetic]

Youre confusing looking racially diverse/exotic like Cain looked with looking outworldly (alien-like) as Reeve/Routh and even Welling appear.

Dean looked partly asian, but that doesn't make him look like an alien. This isn't the planet of caucasions.

LOL did I say that? I can't believe that's what you thought I meant. No one in Metropolis or Smallville looked like Cain's Clark (unless Kristen Kreuk's Lana Lang was there :oldrazz:). And I don't see anything particularly outworldly about Routh or Welling. They both look like regular good looking 'boy next door' types.

Sorry, but Brandon has NEVER looked feminine to me. Boyish, yes, when he was younger, but now? NO. He looks like a man around 30. And in that pic you chose of Brandon there, I don't like it much; the expression is kinda off putting. Kinda emo, like they say. :woot: And the Welling pic is more proof of what I said before.

And again, I don't see Superman in Cain FROM ANY ERA, century or universe. :csad:

And I'm out for lunch. bye, guys.

That's why I chose it :grin:

TTYL. What are you having for lunch? I feel like eating something too.

That reason is so Clark doesn't stand out. For example Welling and Cain's Clark is so built that you can't help but notice them. Reeve and Routh's were more cut and close to the size of Bale so they could fade into the background if they want to but at the same time you can notice they are built. Like how Richard in Superman Returns pointed out as well as Lois in Superman II TRDC.

I thought it was the opposite actually, particularly with Routh. He's so long and statuesque, as Clark he really stood out to me. Hence the Lois conversation scene re: 'how tall is he?'

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/3476/supermancastfilming11hffi1.jpg

[Double Down]

Ugh!!! Not more of the Welling vs. Routh wars!

Will that debate ever die?!?!

Quite honestly, it's giving me a massive headache. I find Routh, Welling, Cain and Reeve all to be likable. I like all four of them. And, in my opinion, it's beyond ridiculous when someone calls any of the four unattractive because, honestly, all four are/were amongst the most attractive 1% men of the human race.
I want Routh to be in the next Superman movie. I want Welling to continue on Smallville. I want Cain to have a successful career. And I want Reeve's memory to continue to be honored.
And, most of all right now, I want to take some aspirin.

[Webhead2006]

Yea i wish everyone a long and great careers and loving memory of reeve too.

[solidsnake86]

Umm isn't there a casting thread for these discussions... back on the note of pa kent. I would like to see him alive and I don't think there comes a point in someones life that they dont need to stop learning from a parent. SO I don't think by 18 clark has learned all he could have from Pa kent. I wouldn't mind seeing him killed off later in clarks life how they did now in the comics.

[Man of Tomorrow]

Routh and Welling both look around the same age. That's not an issue.

I prefer Brandon's look; it's much much closer to Chris Reeve in appearance.

Even most of the comics coming out now are drawing Superman like Reeve now (especially the new Donner-inspired origins), so its a very iconic look and one that fans and audiences are familiar with as quintessentially Superman.

[Man of Tomorrow]

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[Webhead2006]

yea i totally agree i would love to see both kents alive and well with adult clark/superman if we get a reboot.

[Ultimate_Superman]

I thought it was the opposite actually, particularly with Routh. He's so long and statuesque, as Clark he really stood out to me. Hence the Lois conversation scene re: 'how tall is he?'

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/3476/supermancastfilming11hffi1.jpgOh I agree but what I am saying compared to Welling or Cain he is small which is why he can fade more to the back then the High School Football star type. Welling IMO has the perfect build for Captain America and I would love to see him go out for that role. IMO he would be perfect for the role.

[Ultimate_Superman]

yea i totally agree i would love to see both kents alive and well with adult clark/superman if we get a reboot.I still would like to see Pa Kent die. IMO I would like to see him live long enough to see Clark become Superman but I think it works better for him if his father was dead. It worked better in the pre-crisis comics and worked great in the movies. I just don't want the Kents to look like his grandparents.

[p4poetic]

Quite honestly, it's giving me a massive headache. I find Routh, Welling, Cain and Reeve all to be likable. I like all four of them. And, in my opinion, it's beyond ridiculous when someone calls any of the four unattractive because, honestly, all four are/were amongst the most attractive 1% men of the human race.
I want Routh to be in the next Superman movie. I want Welling to continue on Smallville. I want Cain to have a successful career. And I want Reeve's memory to continue to be honored.
And, most of all right now, I want to take some aspirin.

Me too. Some more than others of course.

But as long as fanboys and girls exist, the arguing will never cease to exist. :facepalm

[Man of Tomorrow]

I thought it was the opposite actually, particularly with Routh. He's so long and statuesque, as Clark he really stood out to me. Hence the Lois conversation scene re: 'how tall is he?'

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/3476/supermancastfilming11hffi1.jpg

Never seemed that way to me.

I like how he walked with a hunch as Clark. He seemed lanky as opposed to statuesque as Clark.

As Clark, he was faded into the background pretty well during the film anyway, so it helped make it believeable with CK being the quiet, loner type.

[Man of Tomorrow]

Oh I agree but what I am saying compared to Welling or Cain he is small which is why he can fade more to the back then the High School Football star type. Welling IMO has the perfect build for Captain America and I would love to see him go out for that role. IMO he would be perfect for the role.

You seem to be the only one who thinks so.

In the Capt America casting thread they have tons of way better choices than TW.

But regardless, he'd look silly with dyed blond hair.

[Webhead2006]

yea he was to long/lanky built which to me and other made it look like his proptions were off when he was supes.

[p4poetic]

Never seemed that way to me.

I like how he walked with a hunch as Clark. He seemed lanky as opposed to statuesque as Clark.

As Clark, he was faded into the background pretty well during the film anyway, so it helped make it believeable with CK being the quiet, loner type.

Well than I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. His height stood out to me the whole time, while Reeve didn't. Maybe it was the clothing?

Routh and Welling both look around the same age. That's not an issue.

I prefer Brandon's look; it's much much closer to Chris Reeve in appearance.

Even most of the comics coming out now are drawing Superman like Reeve now (especially the new Donner-inspired origins), so its a very iconic look and one that fans and audiences are familiar with as quintessentially Superman.

All I can say is... so? Superman doesn't have to look like Christopher Reeve. He didn't look a thing like Kirk Allyn or George Reeves. The Batman community doesn't seem to have this one-actor elitist problem. Adam West doesn't look like Michael Keaton, Keaton doesn't look like Val Kilmer, Kilmer doesn't look like Clooney, and Clooney doesn't look like Christian Bale.

[Webhead2006]

how tall is routh and how tall was reeve?

[p4poetic]

how tall is routh and how tall was reeve?

I believe there's only a inch difference.

Reeve
6' 4" (1.93 m)

Routh
6' 3" (1.91 m)

[Showtime]

What in the blue hell? There is a casting thread. Everybody take it there.

[Webhead2006]

thanks p4poetic i just forgot what reeve's was and didnt remember what was routh's.

[JackMercy]

What in the blue hell? There is a casting thread. Everybody take it there.

:funny:

Was wondering when you'd show up...

:word:

[SatEL]

Exactly. But some people choose to ignore this fact. The truth is that Brandon CAN get bigger if required.

Some people also choose to ignore the fact (Or are unaware) that it really isnt as simple as having a desire to get big. I would bet good money on Routh been an endomorph I would also say genetics play into things and no amount of lifting heavy is going to change Routh body structure. On the other hand you have Welling who is clearly a mesomorph, this is very visible as he is huge from head to toe, this guy is not only big on top but also big on the bottom with althletic looking calves.

[SatEL]

That reason is so Clark doesn't stand out. For example Welling and Cain's Clark is so built that you can't help but notice them. Reeve and Routh's were more cut and close to the size of Bale so they could fade into the background if they want to but at the same time you can notice they are built. Like how Richard in Superman Returns pointed out as well as Lois in Superman II TRDC.

******** put Welling in a suit and his build doesnt stand out same for Dean Cain.

[Webhead2006]

yea that is a good point to bring up too, like u said certain people cant change their looks that easy or they cant. Though i would like to see a superman with a body like welling has on smallville, not to keen on a super lean supes.

[Man of Tomorrow]

Some people also choose to ignore the fact (Or are unaware) that it really isnt as simple as having a desire to get big. I would bet good money on Routh been an endomorph I would also say genetics play into things and no amount of lifting heavy is going to change Routh body structure..

Reeve was endomorphic and went from a skinny stick in auditions to being ridiculously jacked up in Superman III, to being lean again in Superman IV (since he didn't want to work out as heavily for the last film).

It all depends on whether WB wants a "lean" Supes again or prefer a bulkier Brandon Routh.

[Showtime]

Can take our obsessions with the male figure to the casting thread at least.

[Man of Tomorrow]

The appearance/build that WB wants of Superman doesn't have as much to do with casting.

But whatever.

[SatEL]

Reeve was endomorphic and went from a skinny stick in auditions to being ridiculously jacked up in Superman III, to being lean again in Superman IV (since he didn't want to work out as heavily for the last film).

It all depends on whether WB wants a "lean" Supes again or prefer a bulkier Brandon Routh.

Reeve wasnt endomorphic sure he had traits of an endomorph but there is no way he was a full blown endo. Reeve was just like Welling at the start of Smallville who could have also been mistaken for an endomorph but clearly was not one. Also it appears both men had great genetics to build from. (Welling being the best)


Sorry Showtime rant over.

[Superark]

Can take our obsessions with the male figure to the casting thread at least.

Show I'll be so happy when you have some more news that you can talk about, then maybe some of these discussions will lessen. At least I hope?

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I love it when you guys obesess over other men's bodies.

[Man of Tomorrow]

Yes.

But you missed my post on the previous page where I said the build aspect is all rather pointless and not worthy of discussion at this point.

They need to draft a decent Superman costume first.


I wouldn't even care if Superman wears padded muscle, as long as he's written and acted well.

[FilmNerdJamie]

The "look" argument in favor or opposition of any actor for Superman is laughable considering that Christopher Reeve looked nothing like the character at first.

Hell even Donner has admitted to looking past him when the cast director was always insisting on meeting with him. Once he auditioned, there wasn't a single opponent against Reeve...

[I SEE SPIDEY]

The "look" argument in favor or opposition of any actor for Superman is laughable considering that Christopher Reeve looked nothing like the character at first.

Hell even Donner has admitted to looking past him when the cast director was always insisting on meeting with him. Once he auditioned, there wasn't a single opponent against Reeve...You have a point. Actors can be made up to look like characters.

[Superark]

The "look" argument in favor or opposition of any actor for Superman is laughable considering that Christopher Reeve looked nothing like the character at first.

Hell even Donner has admitted to looking past him when the cast director was always insisting on meeting with him. Once he auditioned, there wasn't a single opponent against Reeve...


Man I miss Reeve! The guy was a gem!

[SatEL]

The "look" argument in favor or opposition of any actor for Superman is laughable considering that Christopher Reeve looked nothing like the character at first.

Hell even Donner has admitted to looking past him when the cast director was always insisting on meeting with him. Once he auditioned, there wasn't a single opponent against Reeve...

Its a shame Routh acting talent cant seem to quench the flames of rebellion in all these Welling fanboys.

[Showtime]

The appearance/build that WB wants of Superman doesn't have as much to do with casting.

But whatever.

It has as much to do with casting as it does it does reintroducing the character, if not more.

Reeve wasnt endomorphic sure he had traits of an endomorph but there is no way he was a full blown endo. Reeve was just like Welling at the start of Smallville who could have also been mistaken for an endomorph but clearly was not one. Also it appears both men had great genetics to build from. (Welling being the best)


Sorry Showtime rant over.

No problem.

Show I'll be so happy when you have some more news that you can talk about, then maybe some of these discussions will lessen. At least I hope?

Me too, but I have to try to keep a little bit of order, C. Lee and myself give you guys a lot of wiggle room.

I love it when you guys obesess over other men's bodies.

Of course you do you big pervert.

Yes.

But you missed my post on the previous page where I said the build aspect is all rather pointless and not worthy of discussion at this point.

They need to draft a decent Superman costume first.

I wouldn't even care if Superman wears padded muscle, as long as he's written and acted well.

I'll bring back a thread where you guys can discuss this...

The "look" argument in favor or opposition of any actor for Superman is laughable considering that Christopher Reeve looked nothing like the character at first.

Hell even Donner has admitted to looking past him when the cast director was always insisting on meeting with him. Once he auditioned, there wasn't a single opponent against Reeve...

It is indeed funny, similar to the "Everybody that is bald should be Lex" argument.

[FilmNerdJamie]

Its a shame Routh acting talent cant seem to quench the flames of rebellion in all these Welling fanboys.

To be fair, it's not specifically Routh they hated. They were opposed to anyone who wasn't Welling...

[Man of Tomorrow]

Its a shame Routh acting talent cant seem to quench the flames of rebellion in all these Welling fanboys.

No one cares about them anyways ;)

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Of course you do you big pervert.lol Not the first time that I've been called that and won't be the last.:oldrazz:

[BlackLantern]

This is why I think WB should be looking for someone new....you're getting too much baggage with either Routh or Welling....

I would just like a Superman movie that feels like an adult with his own sense of things made it...Singers film came off like an ignored kid trying to get his daddy to recognize him by copying things he does

[I SEE SPIDEY]

This is why I think WB should be looking for someone new....you're getting too much baggage with either Routh or Welling....

I would just like a Superman movie that feels like an adult with his own sense of things made it...Singers film came off like an ignored kid trying to get his daddy to recognize him by copying things he doesPerfectly said.

[Webhead2006]

Yea that is why i would like a total reboot so we can get a fresh new look and approach on the character so we dont have to have past problems come up.

[Mulanzo]

...Singers film came off like an ignored kid trying to get his daddy to recognize him by copying things he does

Perhaps to you. Your thoughts are less than unanimous.

[Nightwing1977]

lol Not the first time that I've been called that and won't be the last.:oldrazz:

Really? I should beat the snot out of Showy & others for calling you a pervert. No one should call a gal "pervert" & get away with it. :hulk:

[Showtime]

:cmad:

[Alex Logan]

Perhaps to you. Your thoughts are less than unanimous.

Agreed.

[Anita18]

I love it when you guys obesess over other men's bodies.
I do find it amusing myself. :funny:

Yes.

But you missed my post on the previous page where I said the build aspect is all rather pointless and not worthy of discussion at this point.

They need to draft a decent Superman costume first.


I wouldn't even care if Superman wears padded muscle, as long as he's written and acted well.
Did you mean to say script? :cwink:

[BlackLantern]

Perhaps to you. Your thoughts are less than unanimous.

well WB seems to be of the same mindset as Singer will probably not be helming the next Superman film, whenever that happens....

[Mulanzo]

This is possibly true, however it doesn't mean they will ditch the story line they have already established. Im sure if it is feasible and they come up with a story that works within SR but manages to be awesome they might consider rolling with it. Beats investing lots of money in another origins film if they think they can save it and make an awesome action film. We'll see. I still think Singer's film is decent as do many others however. I wouldn't mind seeing him give another crack with a more capable writer. If there's one thing SR had, it was nice cinematography and composition which can be mostly attributed to Singer.

[I Am The Knight]

Really? I should beat the snot out of Showy & others for calling you a pervert. No one should call a gal "pervert" & get away with it. :hulk:

Haha, while I'm sure Showy's comment was in jest, it did come off as pretty rude...To call SPIDEY a pervert... :o LOL.

[BlackLantern]

as long as Lois is recast and Super-Illegitimate Child goes away, I'm on board....

[Venom'sDad]

I have a helluva lot more... but I would settle for those two for starters ^

[Double Down]

as long as Lois is recast and Super-Illegitimate Child goes away, I'm on board....

Sounds good to me.

[Nightwing1977]

Haha, while I'm sure Showy's comment was in jest

It was? :oldrazz:

[p4poetic]

Super-Illegitimate Child? LOL.

This is why I think WB should be looking for someone new....you're getting too much baggage with either Routh or Welling....

I would just like a Superman movie that feels like an adult with his own sense of things made it...Singers film came off like an ignored kid trying to get his daddy to recognize him by copying things he does

Than it'll be a 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend'. :woot: They're BOTH going to hate the new guy, so at least they'll have something in common :oldrazz:

[The Game]

This is possibly true, however it doesn't mean they will ditch the story line they have already established. Im sure if it is feasible and they come up with a story that works within SR but manages to be awesome they might consider rolling with it. Beats investing lots of money in another origins film if they think they can save it and make an awesome action film. We'll see. I still think Singer's film is decent as do many others however. I wouldn't mind seeing him give another crack with a more capable writer. If there's one thing SR had, it was nice cinematography and composition which can be mostly attributed to Singer.

Singer already had his shot and he ballsed up the whole show, no its time for another director

[BenReilly]

I didn't see this posted anywhere else but if it was, my apologies.

http://www.latinoreview.com/news/scoop-who-will-be-the-next-supervillain-5929

Scoop: Who Will Be The Next Supervillain?

By El Mayimbe on January 5, 2009

El Mayimbe here...

HAPPY NEW YEAR!

TO THE LATINOS - FELIZ DIA DE LOS REYES!

Anyway, so what is REALLY going on with Superman?

Here is what I was able to find out...

According to my sources, the WB is actively hearing takes from writers for a new SUPERMAN movie. WB is committed to re-making SUPERMAN into an interesting franchise.

At the moment, the execs haven't heard anything they like yet but the kicker is that WB wants a NEW VILLAIN from Superman's Rogues Gallery to be the main antagonist...NOT LEX LUTHOR! Writers have been told to come in to the studio to pitch a story with a new villain but again, the WB hasn't bit on anything they heard yet.

In fact, Luthor is going to take a back seat. Whether he is altogether out or reduced to a contagonist character in the new script remains to be seen.

Personally, I think this is the way to go. Worked at first for Batman back in 2005, why not Supes?

Now I know that goes contrary to what Kevin Spacey said a couple of weeks ago, but I'm just relaying what I'm told...

So could we be seeing BRAINIAC, DARKSEID, DOOMSDAY, or even ZOD battling Supes on the big screen in the near future?

How hot would that be?

[Ultimate_Superman]

Well that's good to know and IMO the right move. However I hope it is not Zod.

[Showtime]

I can't see it being Zod, but considering the new Zod in the recent Donner-Johns run, who knows.

[Man of Tomorrow]

We're getting a supervillian front and center...

This was something we knew in 2006..

[Showtime]

What did Kevin Spacey say a couple of weeks ago?

[BenReilly]

We're getting a supervillian front and center...

This was something we knew in 2006..

Right but we didn't know Lex Luthor might not even appear in the next film altogether.

What did Kevin Spacey say a couple of weeks ago?

I believe El Mayimbe was referring to this:

http://movies.ign.com/articles/915/915655p1.html

[FilmNerdJamie]

We're getting a supervillian front and center...

This was something we knew in 2006..

I believe the point of the article was ultimately to assure fans that WB is actively working on getting another Superman film out ASAP, and not just sitting around with their thumbs up their asses.

[darthhalen]

LR's comments didn't report anything we didn't already know did it? I mean that's been the mandate from day one I thought. Bring in a supervillian and reduce Lex to a small role or eliminate him entirely.

Showtime- I thought WB had already taken to a treatment for a new Superman? This makes it sound like they haven't really gotten anywhere. Damn, with that and the news about Shazam going nowhere it still looks like DC/WB is moving at turtle speed. Still hoping for the GL announcement!

[elgaz]

In MY opinion, there are some serious fundamentals which the next Superman film needs to adhere to in order to be a success and distance itself from the first one.

1) Get rid of Singer. I don't dislike him as a director at all, but can he really bring something fresh into a new Superman film and go against the grain of everything he preached when promoting the first one - continuing the mythos, carrying on Donner's vision, etc? I'm not convinced he can - it would be like asking Michael Bay to forget his usual action packed approach and make a love story. New film, new vision, new director.

2) Get back to basics. Cut off the fat of the first film; the superkid, the love triangle, the emotionally distracted Superman. Lets have a great superhero and villain, and surround them with the characters from Superman lore who are well famous to us - and leave it at that.

3) Action, and lots of it. Although Superman as a character appeals to people for many reasons (he's an orphan .... he fulfils a Jesus-type role ..........he believes in the basic good of man, etc), when it comes down to it many of us would like to see him on the big screen for some very simple reasons: superstrength, superspeed, flight and heat vision :D. These are what make him different from humans and what makes us as cinemagoers go 'wow!' so lets see them put to good use. It stands to reason given that some of the most memorable scenes in Superman Returns were the ones which showcased his unique abilities - saving the plane, lifting New Krypton, etc.

4) A villain who poses a threat. Lex Luthor is a great character, but we've seen enough of him in most recent Superman lore - and by following the Donnerverse, Singer gave us the property-obsessed Lex Luthor, not the CEO and potential President version who would have been more of a threat to Superman. So let's see a villain who both physically and mentally has the capacity to better Superman - hopefully Brainiac or Darkseid.

5) A new Superman? I'm not sure about this one. I liked Routh as Superman and think he could do a great job if given a more meaty action packed role with less of the emo Superman rubbish in it. But by having him in the new film, the mass public may think its just a sequel to the last. Unfortunately for Routh, perhaps the only way for a new Superman film to work is to be totally distanced from the last - and that includes leaving behind his version of Superman also.

[Showtime]

I believe El Mayimbe was referring to this:

http://movies.ign.com/articles/915/915655p1.html

Couple weeks a couple months. Same difference I guess. I thought he might have been referring to something I missed.



Showtime- I thought WB had already taken to a treatment for a new Superman? This makes it sound like they haven't really gotten anywhere. Damn, with that and the news about Shazam going nowhere it still looks like DC/WB is moving at turtle speed. Still hoping for the GL announcement!

So did I and some others. This is a bit surprising and a tad depressing.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Couple weeks a couple months. Same difference I guess. I thought he might have been referring to something I missed.



So did I and some others. This is a bit surprising and a tad depressing.
If that is the case does that mean that Singer is still in the mix as well? Meaning having first rights to the script or story? Which then in turn can explain his recent comment.

[FilmNerdJamie]

If WB/New Line was going to make Shazam, it would have been immediately after Get Smart opened to solid box-office (and ultimately became a big money-maker for the studio!)

The fact that it's dead shouldn't surprise anyone.

[I Am The Knight]

It was? :oldrazz:

Ah, Nightwing, what's on your mind... :woot:

I didn't see this posted anywhere else but if it was, my apologies.


Sounds...Familiar! :hehe: Well, it's nice to have an update.

I hope they don't reduce Luthor's role, or god forbid, remove him from the picture. He's a huge character in the Superman mythos, WB doesn't needs any of us to tell them that, and I would surely miss on the potentially great dynamic between Luthor and Superman, especially in a new movie universe.

[darthhalen]

What is with WB? I put WAY to much faith in those comments back in August. I really believed we would start seeing DC movies announced and dates targeted for their releases like Marvel. Now I can see that was just wishful thinking.
Hopefully we can at least get a GL movie, because it looks like another endless struggle to get Superman on the screen again. What is it about Superman that NOBODY at WB can agree upon?

[I Am The Knight]

If WB/New Line was going to make Shazam, it would have been immediately after Get Smart opened to solid box-office (and ultimately became a big money-maker for the studio!)

The fact that it's dead shouldn't surprise anyone.

Personally, I'm OK with Shazam not going forward. Although it's worrysome that The Dark Knight reared it's ugly head again and apparently seems to be a big reason was to why they are not doing anything with this property. It makes me wonder if that's what holding up Flash even more than usual, and more importantly, how did TDK affect GL? The GL draft that made the rounds last year was Iron Man lite-like in tone, but the studio loved it. Reading Augusts' blog he mentioned that he pointed the studio to IM for reference as how a light superhero movie can work for modern audiences, but they didn't care. Maybe WB just doesn't thinks Cap. Marvel has mass appeal.

Anyways, I wonder if they had Berlanti and Co adjust GL to make it grittier?

[GreenKToo]

I believe the point of the article was ultimately to assure fans that WB is actively working on getting another Superman film out ASAP, and not just sitting around with their thumbs up their asses.
Its about time too.

EDIT: Also, is it just me or does that article kinda make it seem that this superman will be well established?

[Showtime]

Haha, while I'm sure Showy's comment was in jest, it did come off as pretty rude...To call SPIDEY a pervert... :o LOL.

I was 100% serious.

What is with WB? I put WAY to much faith in those comments back in August. I really believed we would start seeing DC movies announced and dates targeted for their releases like Marvel. Now I can see that was just wishful thinking.
Hopefully we can at least get a GL movie, because it looks like another endless struggle to get Superman on the screen again. What is it about Superman that NOBODY at WB can agree upon?

I don't necessarily think that it is that there is continued infighting among the executives but that they all agree on what they don't want, if that makes sense.

[BenReilly]

I hope they don't reduce Luthor's role, or god forbid, remove him from the picture. He's a huge character in the Superman mythos, WB doesn't needs any of us to tell them that, and I would surely miss on the potentially great dynamic between Luthor and Superman, especially in a new movie universe.

Agreed but It could still work well if done right, I think. Use a new super villain for the first film but Lex's presence in Metropolis could still be felt or he could be manipulating the situation behind the scenes. His role could then be expanded in the sequels.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Really? I should beat the snot out of Showy & others for calling you a pervert. No one should call a gal "pervert" & get away with it. :hulk:So chivalry isn't dead.

I do find it amusing myself. :funny:The guys don't know just how ridiculous they look.


I didn't see this posted anywhere else but if it was, my apologies.

http://www.latinoreview.com/news/scoop-who-will-be-the-next-supervillain-5929As Showtime said...a little depressing.

And that Captian Marvel news pisses me off too. Now don't get me wrong I don't think that a good movie would have been made and I'm actually glad that it isn't being made because it sounds like an awful idea to begin with but TDK shouldn't have been the reason. I'm begining to hate TDK.

[El Payaso]

And that Captian Marvel news pisses me off too. Now don't get me wrong I don't think that a good movie would have been made and I'm actually glad that it isn't being made because it sounds like an awful idea to begin with but TDK shouldn't have been the reason. I'm begining to hate TDK.

I rather hate the people who's thinking that everything should be TDK because they want to make the same amount of money out of every film they mke.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I rather hate the people who's thinking that everything should be TDK because they want to make the same amount of money out of every film they mke.You have a point. Also TDK was a one shot deal, they won't be making 530mil off of the new Superman movie or Captain Marvel, no matter how "dark" they are.

[I Am The Knight]

WB is suffering from Grim & Gritty syndrome. It's like the 90's in comics all over again. And again Batman and soon enough Watchmen are in the middle of it :hehe:

[I SEE SPIDEY]

^If Watchmen comes out.

[Mostpowerful]

I'm actually happy Shazam is not happening. He is too much like Superman, in some ways.. he has a cape, he's can fly, he superstrong, etc. WB should focus on the Superman franchise, and then when Supes is back strong, then they should bring Cap. Marvel to the movies, IMO.

[Mostpowerful]

And that Captian Marvel news pisses me off too. Now don't get me wrong I don't think that a good movie would have been made and I'm actually glad that it isn't being made because it sounds like an awful idea to begin with but TDK shouldn't have been the reason. I'm begining to hate TDK.

I know the feeling.

[FlawlessVictory]

As Showtime said...a little depressing.

And that Captian Marvel news pisses me off too. Now don't get me wrong I don't think that a good movie would have been made and I'm actually glad that it isn't being made because it sounds like an awful idea to begin with but TDK shouldn't have been the reason. I'm begining to hate TDK.

Don't blame TDK, blame the heads at WB. They learned the wrong lesson from TDK. I'd like to quote RakuMon from the Shazam thread:

My point is that WB learned exactly the wrong lesson from TDK's success. It didn't succeed just because it was dark, it was a billion dollar movie because it respected its source material. It was just a coincidence that the source material is "Dark". For "Shazam," making it into an "edgy, darker" movie betrays what the characters are about. Read Jeff Smith's "Monster Society of Evil." That's how Captain Marvel should be portrayed. (I've said it before, August's "Big with super powers" pitch is perfect.)

I was extremely hopeful after I heard Robinov's words about Superman needing to be reintroduced and wasn't worried about his "dark" comments surrounding the character, as I took that to mean more having to do with the threats the character would face. I was also quite optimistic after hearing about the WB/DC summit thinking that WB got their crap together.

Well, that hope is beginning to go out the window now. Showtime, I know you've said before that you would believe that WB didn't know what it was doing before the summit, but now after the summit you are inclined to believe WB knows what to do with their DC superheroes. After hearing this bit of news, I cannot agree with you. It seems to me WB is still lost as ever. How can I think otherwise with the fact we never got the news we were supposed to, it's been months, and now the cancellation of another DC superhero film.

It's not that Shazam needed to get made for me to be convinced that WB knew what they were doing. It's the fact of why it is not being made. The "dark" comments. WB's top concern with these characters should be how faithfully the characters are being represented, not how dark they are! They have it wrong. I have no confidence now that we will ever see a live action superhero film outside of Batman and Superman. I honestly expect to hear that GL has hit a major bump in the road and that will get shelved. It's quite depressing. I'm not getting my hopes up anymore with WB. The constant difficulties it has in adapting its DC superheroes to film is staggering.

So I'm prepared for solely Batman and Superman movies here on out as far was WB goes in adapting their DC superheroes. And I don't have much hope for the next Superman film.

[dark_b]

and here we GO
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=51715
'''Rather, they seemed to want to go into darker territory following the success of The Dark Knight.''

this is WB. of course they will try to do everything like TDK now.

i knew something this could happen. hahaahhahhahahhah

[FlawlessVictory]

^WB is as lost as ever, and the fact that there was a WB/DC summit won't convince me otherwise.

[Double Down]

Scoop: Who Will Be The Next Supervillain?
El Mayimbe here...

HAPPY NEW YEAR!

TO THE LATINOS - FELIZ DIA DE LOS REYES!
Anyway, so what is REALLY going on with Superman?
Here is what I was able to find out...
According to my sources, the WB is actively hearing takes from writers for a new SUPERMAN movie. WB is committed to re-making SUPERMAN into an interesting franchise.
At the moment, the execs haven't heard anything they like yet but the kicker is that WB wants a NEW VILLAIN from Superman's Rogues Gallery to be the main antagonist...NOT LEX LUTHOR! Writers have been told to come in to the studio to pitch a story with a new villain but again, the WB hasn't bit on anything they heard yet.
In fact, Luthor is going to take a back seat. Whether he is altogether out or reduced to a contagonist character in the new script remains to be seen.
Personally, I think this is the way to go. Worked at first for Batman back in 2005, why not Supes?
Now I know that goes contrary to what Kevin Spacey said a couple of weeks ago, but I'm just relaying what I'm told...
So could we be seeing BRAINIAC, DARKSEID, DOOMSDAY, or even ZOD battling Supes on the big screen in the near future?

It wouldn't shock me to find out that this "new" Superman information was leaked to counter-act the Shazam news. "We're not making that movie, but we are actively trying to figure out how to give you the Superman movie you want."
But all it did was to depress me further. It seems like they are nowhere with Superman.

[BlackLantern]

if they want to go darker, maybe a 'Nightwing' film could happen..

[dark_b]

^WB is as lost as ever, and the fact that there was a WB/DC summit won't convince me otherwise.lets writte it again

89: WB makes a dark batman. it makes tons of money
92: WB makes a more dark batman since this will make more money. movies doesnt make tons of money
95: WB makes a more kid friendly movie. it makes again tons of money
97: WB makes th ultimate campy and ''kid'' friendly batman because they think it will make bilions. a 100% bomb and a failure

its a pattern. i knew this would happen when i noticed the word ''dark'' when talking about superman.

[Anita18]

You have a point. Also TDK was a one shot deal, they won't be making 530mil off of the new Superman movie or Captain Marvel, no matter how "dark" they are.
One would hope that they would know that, but I don't have that much faith in people with dollar signs in their eyes, LOL.

I'm beginning to feel bad about that $530 million take too. If TDK gets a Best Picture Oscar nom on top of that, it's conceivable that it's less and less likely that Nolan will come back for a third, just because of the sheer pressure on him to perform.

and here we GO
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=51715
'''Rather, they seemed to want to go into darker territory following the success of The Dark Knight.''

this is WB. of course they will try to do everything like TDK now.

i knew something this could happen. hahaahhahhahahhah
Suits never know anything. :o Hopefully they'll come to their senses soon. It's too bad that IM came out before TDK. That would have shown that you CAN have a light-hearted superhero movie that can be good, and the two kinds of movies can indeed coexist. Instead, TDK sorta beat the dark, serious superhero film into everyone's heads.

Well, the last time WB tried a light superhero movie, it was Batman and Robin. :oldrazz:

[Showtime]

It wouldn't shock me to find out that this "new" Superman information was leaked to counter-act the Shazam news. "We're not making that movie, but we are actively trying to figure out how to give you the Superman movie you want."
But all it did was to depress me further. It seems like they are nowhere with Superman.

They want to keep Superman news out there floating around, just as they do for Batman and Green Lantern because these are their priorities.

^WB is as lost as ever, and the fact that there was a WB/DC summit won't convince me otherwise.

I wouldn't say they are lost, they are trying to do things right, and in my opinion that is a good thing.


I was extremely hopeful after I heard Robinov's words about Superman needing to be reintroduced and wasn't worried about his "dark" comments surrounding the character, as I took that to mean more having to do with the threats the character would face. I was also quite optimistic after hearing about the WB/DC summit thinking that WB got their crap together.

I think it is much more together than you think and WB still milling around on Superman after already having a script they liked is a little disheartening, but at the same time maybe a good thing.

Well, that hope is beginning to go out the window now. Showtime, I know you've said before that you would believe that WB didn't know what it was doing before the summit, but now after the summit you are inclined to believe WB knows what to do with their DC superheroes. After hearing this bit of news, I cannot agree with you. It seems to me WB is still lost as ever. How can I think otherwise with the fact we never got the news we were supposed to, it's been months, and now the cancellation of another DC superhero film.

It's not that Shazam needed to get made for me to be convinced that WB knew what they were doing. It's the fact of why it is not being made. The "dark" comments. WB's top concern with these characters should be how faithfully the characters are being represented, not how dark they are! They have it wrong. I have no confidence now that we will ever see a live action superhero film outside of Batman and Superman. I honestly expect to hear that GL has hit a major bump in the road and that will get shelved. It's quite depressing. I'm not getting my hopes up anymore with WB. The constant difficulties it has in adapting its DC superheroes to film is staggering.

So I'm prepared for solely Batman and Superman movies here on out as far was WB goes in adapting their DC superheroes. And I don't have much hope for the next Superman film.

There was a point where Shazam was a top priority for the studio. They felt that Batman Begins and Superman Returns were a bit too dark and wanted to go for lighter fare. They dropped Goyer and Whendon from Flash and Wonder Woman because their scripts were dark and turned to people who could bring a lighter approach.

I questioned that move, and now that they now want to go dark again with their heroes after the success of Dark Knight, that move is even more questionable. However, Shazam was not happening for a good while so this wasn't really much of a surprise. As soon as Dark Knight became what it was or they what it was, that was the final nail for this film or at least this incarnation.

So as we know WB has a history of being a little hestitant and indecisive with their heroes, but in this case I think it is WB finally knows what they want and will not settle until they get it. Two things are responsible for that, Dark Knight and The Summit.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I'm starting to get a headache over all of this. Seriously, I'm getting so worn out. Everyday it's the same thing, no new news on the project, just rumors. Scary rumors of Superman being turned into Batman because Batman got lucky at the boxoffice.

Iron Man and the first two Spider-Man movies got good reviews and good boxoffice and they weren't dark movies. Hell, Spider-Man 2 made it on AFI's top ten list in 2004.

They can make a light Superman movie that appeals to most audiences and critics. They just need to lose Their TDK blinders.

And please, some people on here, save your hate for the Spider-Man movies for another time. I'm not going to argue with you about those films even if you do spew it.

[I Am The Knight]

My God...Now I'm actually depressed.

[GreenKToo]

Nothing would have gotten most of the fans behind w.B. more than announcing the slate hammered out at the summit (if there even is a slate).

[FlawlessVictory]

Nothing would have gotten most of the fans behind w.B. more than announcing the slate hammered out at the summit (if there even is a slate).

Here's the slate:

Batman movie
Superman movie
Batman movie
Batman movie
Superman movie
Batman movie
Batman movie
Batman movie
Superman movie

:csad:

[Man of Tomorrow]

Why are you two depressed? I dont get it.



And thanks Jamie, I'm glad the Superman project is still on the frontline for WB.


It seems Green Lantern, Jonah Hex, Superman, Batman III and maybe Flash and Green Arrow could be DC's 6 films.

[GreenKToo]

Here's the slate:

Batman movie
Superman movie
Batman movie
Batman movie
Superman movie
Batman movie
Batman movie
Batman movie
Superman movie

:csad:
Lol, yeah pretty much.:csad:

[BlackLantern]

Are you all done crying?....seriously...WB is NOT OBLIGATED to do superhero films...CBFs are the thing right now and they want to try and capitalize....I might not agree with things WB does, but the studio has been around for 75+ years....take a nap and calm the **** down.....

[FlawlessVictory]

Why are you two depressed? I dont get it.



And thanks Jamie, I'm glad the Superman project is still on the frontline for WB.


It seems Green Lantern, Jonah Hex, Superman, Batman III and maybe Flash and Green Arrow could be DC's 6 films.

You don't get it? Do you not realizing we are dealing with WB here? Check their history with how they have handled DC Superheroes not named Batman or Superman. I don't expect to see GL, Flash or GA to ever see the light of day. As usual, it's just a bunch of hot air that WB is blowing regarding live action film treatment of those characters.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Here's the slate:

Batman movie
Superman movie
Batman movie
Batman movie
Superman movie
Batman movie
Batman movie
Batman movie
Superman movie

:csad:QFT.:csad:

Why are you two depressed? I don't get it?I'm depressed because WB cancelled a movie because it wasn't "dark" like The Dark Knight. That little factoid leads me to believe that WB isn't looking for the right tone for Superman, they are looking to turn Superman into Batman.

Are you all done crying?....seriously...WB is NOT OBLIGATED to do superhero films...CBFs are the thing right now and they want to try and capitalize....I might not agree with things WB does, but the studio has been around for 75+ years....take a nap and calm the **** down.....Who said that WB were obliagated to do Superhero films? What a foolish post.

[Mostpowerful]

Why are you two depressed? I dont get it.



And thanks Jamie, I'm glad the Superman project is still on the frontline for WB.


It seems Green Lantern, Jonah Hex, Superman, Batman III and maybe Flash and Green Arrow could be DC's 6 films.

Agreed.

[FlawlessVictory]

Are you all done crying?....seriously...WB is NOT OBLIGATED to do superhero films...CBFs are the thing right now and they want to try and capitalize....I might not agree with things WB does, but the studio has been around for 75+ years....take a nap and calm the **** down.....

Huh? When did I say WB was obligated to do those movies? Maybe you need to calm down since you are the one typing in caps and using expletives.

[BlackLantern]

Fanboys have an odd sense of entitlement, I don't think anyone here would disagree with that

[Showtime]

My God...Now I'm actually depressed.

I'm starting to get a headache over all of this. Seriously, I'm getting so worn out. Everyday it's the same thing, no new news on the project, just rumors.


I feel like you two are new to the world that is Superman on the interwebs. It was like this for years before and it will be like this for years coming.

I wouldn't get worked up over every article and jump off a bridge because of it (not saying you two are), sure it is disheartening to hear, but tomorrow you might hear there is a script and the project has been greenlit.

[batman44]

I guess I'm the only one who was actually looking forward a Captain Marvel movie.

[Showtime]

Yes. You were.

[I Am The Knight]

Fanboys have an odd sense of entitlement, I don't think anyone here would disagree with that

That's funny, coming from you, one of the fanboys who doesn't believes Watchmen should ever be adapted to film because it is "their precious."

[Mostpowerful]

I'm depressed because WB cancelled a movie because it wasn't "dark" like The Dark Knight. That little factoid leads me to believe that WB isn't looking for the right tone for Superman, they are looking to turn Superman into Batman.

Not necessarily dark like Batman. I don't think they would actually do that, not after all the backlash from the fans they got recently. I'm ok with a slightly dark Superman film. I LOVE SR. And as long as Superman himself is more content than he was in SR (at least for most of the next film), they can make his world darker if they want. Yeah, the next supervillain should be really dark, powerful and truly menacing. And like Horn said "probably in 2 years," and that's not so bad, I think. And if Brandon is back in the main role, I'll be happy. *prays*

[Man of Tomorrow]

I'm depressed because WB cancelled a movie because it wasn't "dark" like The Dark Knight. That little factoid leads me to believe that WB isn't looking for the right tone for Superman, they are looking to turn Superman into Batman.

Yeah but we've known they were going dark with Superman for months.

But the good part about that (at least for you) is that means they'll definitely need to break from the silver age/Donner stuff and go for a more modern approach like Batman Begins.

Could be great for general audiences who want Superman to be as cool as Bats.

[GreenKToo]

I doubt they would really try to make Superman all dark (been there and done that)
]Now a Dark storyline such as Darkseid would be kool, but a big no to a Burton like treatment to Superman, *IF* thats what they have in mind.

[FlawlessVictory]

I feel like you two are new to the world that is Superman on the interwebs. It was like this for years before and it will be like this for years coming.

I wouldn't get worked up over every article and jump off a bridge because of it (not saying you two are), sure it is disheartening to hear, but tomorrow you might hear there is a script and the project has been greenlit.

I have no doubt we will get another Superman film, it's just a matter of actually ever seeing those other DC superheroes. And no, I don't feel obligated to see those other films, it would just be nice to see. And with Shazam being cancelled for the wrong reasons, it does not bode well if the DC superhero is not named Batman or not molded to be Batman on the big screen which is a big mistake.

[BlackLantern]

That's funny, coming from you, one of the fanboys who doesn't believes Watchmen should ever be adapted to film because it is "their precious."

We all have our Achilles Heel....:oldrazz:

[FlawlessVictory]

That's funny, coming from you, one of the fanboys who doesn't believes Watchmen should ever be adapted to film because it is "their precious."

:hehe:

[I Am The Knight]

But what do they have in mind? That article mentions several pitches being made, and the studio still not getting what they want. You'd think SOMEONE might have come up with a couple of decent scripts by now.

Maybe they want something "radical" .... :hehe:

[darthhalen]

Actually, I was very much looking forward to a Captain Marvel movie. Not sure if the creative team was right but who knew? It really is a crapshoot sometimes. Who here really thought Singer's Superman would disappoint? Not me! Who thought Fav's Iron Man would be a sure thing?
Anyway, I hope some of this talk will get some websites looking and talking.
Showtime-Was it you that said many websites are sitting on info but can't talk. Somebody really needs to start squeezing WB contacts about some real info.

[RachelDawes]

I hope they don't reduce Luthor's role, or god forbid, remove him from the picture. He's a huge character in the Superman mythos, WB doesn't needs any of us to tell them that, and I would surely miss on the potentially great dynamic between Luthor and Superman, especially in a new movie universe.

Hopefully reducing Lex's role just means that he won't be the main villain. I think Lex should be responsible for bringing some supervillain to Earth and then he can sit back and maybe scheme some more while Superman takes out the threat. I'd be fine with that as long as Luthor is portrayed seriously and we get some interaction between him and Supes.

[Showtime]

I have no doubt we will get another Superman film, it's just a matter of actually ever seeing those other DC superheroes. And no, I don't feel obligated to see those other films, it would just be nice to see. And with Shazam being cancelled for the wrong reasons, it does not bode well if the DC superhero is not named Batman or not molded to be Batman on the big screen which is a big mistake.

There was only a small window for Shazam to actually move forward and that window was closing long before Dark Knight. Dark Knight just slammed it shut and locked it.

[Man of Tomorrow]

I'm calling this now but with Shazam the movie dead, the Smallville writers will try to do a Shazam drama on CW or try to bring him into Smallville if it continues..

They're like scavengers when it comes to dead DC projects

[Showtime]

I'm calling this now but with Shazam the movie dead, the Smallville writers will try to do a Shazam drama on CW or try to bring him into Smallville if it continues..

They're like scavengers when it comes to dead DC projects

There was a Shazam television series previously no? I hope they don't model it after that. However, your idea isn't a bad one.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Fanboys have an odd sense of entitlement, I don't think anyone here would disagree with thatI don't disagree with you but I take your post to mean. "Lie down and take whatever is given to you because WB owns the characters."

I feel like you two are new to the world that is Superman on the interwebs. It was like this for years before and it will be like this for years coming.

I wouldn't get worked up over every article and jump off a bridge because of it (not saying you two are), sure it is disheartening to hear, but tomorrow you might hear there is a script and the project has been greenlit.lol Maybe I should exit stage left then.

That's funny, coming from you, one of the fanboys who doesn't believes Watchmen should ever be adapted to film because it is "their precious." Some people.:whatever: I liked the Watchmen book but it didn't rock my socks like it did other people. Still I'm waiting to see how the movie turned out because it looks amazing. If the reviews are decent and it's nothing like 300 I might see it.

[BlackLantern]

yes there was a 'Shazam' TV show back in the 70's....Billy Batson and some old guy drove around in an RV with a lightning bolt painted on the front of it....

[Double Down]

I'm calling this now but with Shazam the movie dead, the Smallville writers will try to do a Shazam drama on CW or try to bring him into Smallville if it continues..

They're like scavengers when it comes to dead DC projects

:hehe:

[I Am The Knight]

I'm calling this now but with Shazam the movie dead, the Smallville writers will try to do a Shazam drama on CW or try to bring him into Smallville if it continues..

They're like scavengers when it comes to dead DC projects

Poor Billy.

[RachelDawes]

I'm beginning to feel bad about that $530 million take too. If TDK gets a Best Picture Oscar nom on top of that, it's conceivable that it's less and less likely that Nolan will come back for a third, just because of the sheer pressure on him to perform.

I don't think TDK's getting a best picture nomination.

Are you all done crying?....seriously...WB is NOT OBLIGATED to do superhero films...CBFs are the thing right now and they want to try and capitalize....I might not agree with things WB does, but the studio has been around for 75+ years....take a nap and calm the **** down.....

No one here is crying. Superman, Green Lantern, and Captain Marvel fans have every right to want to see their favorite character on the big screen. You can't blame people for being impatient when Marvel is greenlighting movies all over the place and WB can't seem to do anything for any hero other than batman at a time when comic book movies are at their popularity peak.

[darthhalen]

Let's look at all the DC properties that have failed to make it. Granted some were a good thing.

Burtons Superman-Canned
Petersons Superman vs. Batman-Canned
Goyer's Flash-Canned
Whedon's Wonder Woman-Canned
Segal's Shazam-Canned
Miller's JLA-Canned
Del Toro's Deadman-Dead
Sgt. Rock, Teen Titans, Doom Patrol-All announced, but never materialized.
Green Arrow-Probably dead too.

This is a pattern that I have now accepted as being perpetual

[Showtime]

But what do they have in mind? That article mentions several pitches being made, and the studio still not getting what they want. You'd think SOMEONE might have come up with a couple of decent scripts by now.

Maybe they want something "radical" .... :hehe:

"Unsolicited" or rookie screenwriters would be the ones trying to get Superman scripts in to WB for the most part. Established screenwriters wouldn't waste their time on an entire script unless they knew they were getting paid for it. They would pitch stories and or offer treatments.

From what I heard, WB had a "story" they liked. That doesn't necessarily mean it was a script, could have been a treatment or outline.


Anyway, I hope some of this talk will get some websites looking and talking.
Showtime-Was it you that said many websites are sitting on info but can't talk. Somebody really needs to start squeezing WB contacts about some real info.

That is the good thing about it, when news comes out, other websites dig at their sources and before you know it news starts breaking. Trust me it is a good thing.


lol Maybe I should exit stage left then.


Stay awhile.

[BenReilly]

Somebody really needs to start squeezing WB contacts about some real info.

The real info was in that Latino Review article. The studio is accepting pitches from writers (with a new villain), and they have yet to hear something they like. There is nothing else going on with Superman at the moment.

[Man of Tomorrow]

There was a Shazam television series previously no? I hope they don't model it after that. However, your idea isn't a bad one.

Oh I think it is.

CW is the wrong network for this kind of stuff.

I dont want a Capt Marvel in name only who doesnt fly or wear a costume.

If anything it will probably focus on Billy Batson in highschool (played by a 30 year old).

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Hopefully reducing Lex's role just means that he won't be the main villain. I think Lex should be responsible for bringing some supervillain to Earth and then he can sit back and maybe scheme some more while Superman takes out the threat. I'd be fine with that as long as Luthor is portrayed seriously and we get some interaction between him and Supes.I want them to reduce his role greatly. Hell, It would be okay with me if he wasn't in the movie at all.

[Mostpowerful]

Some people.:whatever: I liked the Watchmen book but it didn't rock my socks like it did other people. Still I'm waiting to see how the movie turned out because it looks amazing. If the reviews are decent and it's nothing like 300 I might see it.

I haven't read the book either, and I won't until after the movie....just in case the movie doesn't live up to the book, ya know. What's hilarious to me is that in the trailer they call Snyder "the visionary director" ..... :whatever: :woot: LOL! what's visionary about 300???

[I Am The Knight]

Well, Jonah Hex seems to be going forward...

[Showtime]

yes there was a 'Shazam' TV show back in the 70's....Billy Batson and some old guy drove around in an RV with a lightning bolt painted on the front of it....

That's awesome.

Let's look at all the DC properties that have failed to make it. Granted some were a good thing.

Burtons Superman-Canned
Petersons Superman vs. Batman-Canned
Goyer's Flash-Canned
Whedon's Wonder Woman-Canned
Segal's Shazam-Canned
Miller's JLA-Canned
Del Toro's Deadman-Dead
Sgt. Rock, Teen Titans, Doom Patrol-All announced, but never materialized.
Green Arrow-Probably dead too.

This is a pattern that I have now accepted as being perpetual

I would have really loved to see Green Arrow. Great concept.

[GreenKToo]

It does kinda make me leary. I can just see some suit pitching an idea about Supes being outfitted in an all black suit while fighting polar bears and giant spiders.
Nah, thats crazy talk, that would never happen.

[BlackLantern]

I don't disagree with you but I take your post to mean. "Lie down and take whatever is given to you because WB owns the characters."

I didn't mean that....these are characters we'd like to see given a proper treatment...but it wouldn't hurt to be at least a bit grateful that WB and DC are making an attempt to do something...

if they want to go a bit darker...OK...there is good to be seen in that...like I said last page, maybe we'll get a decent Nightwing film out of it

[I Am The Knight]

"Unsolicited" or rookie screenwriters would be the ones trying to get Superman scripts in to WB for the most part. Established screenwriters wouldn't waste their time on an entire script unless they knew they were getting paid for it. They would pitch stories and or offer treatments.

From what I heard, WB had a "story" they liked. That doesn't necessarily mean it was a script, could have been a treatment or outline.

Thanks for the clarification Showy. That makes sense.

[Showtime]

It does kinda make me leary. I can just see some suit pitching an idea about Supes being outfitted in an all black suit while fighting polar bears and giant spiders.
Nah, thats crazy talk, that would never happen.

Nope. Never.

To be serious for a moment, not only did DK put WB in the drivers seat for their superhero franchises, it put them in the driver's seat PERIOD.

WB, congratulations! You've had the best year ever!

WB crushed the competition at the box office this year and their superheros are going to help them do it again. Green Lantern, Batman, and Superman. That is the plan.

If DK wins and oscar of some sort or is even nominated it gives them more sway and so on and so forth.

[GreenKToo]

Nope. Never.

To be serious for a moment, not only did DK put WB in the drivers seat for their superhero franchises, it put them in the driver's seat PERIOD.

WB, congratulations! You've had the best year ever!

WB crushed the competition at the box office this year and their superheros are going to help them do it again. Green Lantern, Batman, and Superman. That is the plan.

If DK wins and oscar of some sort or is even nominated it gives them more sway and so on and so forth.
Lets hope your right.

[RachelDawes]

I want them to reduce his role greatly. Hell, It would be okay with me if he wasn't in the movie at all.

That would be very radical.

[Man of Tomorrow]

I would have really loved to see Green Arrow. Great concept.

I love Green Arrow but I think it will be axed too or at least changed to fit a darker Batman Begins-like approach.

I think something like this would be awesome for GA:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzTu-r03vhE

vzTu-r03vhE

[I SEE SPIDEY]

It will win the best supporting actor oscar.

The oscars are predictable and, no matter if Ledger deserves it or not, he is getting it. If only because it was his breakout role and his last, in a movie that made 530mil.

That would be very radical.It sure would be.

[darthhalen]

I am the Knight's right, we now get Jonah Hex! That's the thing with all these great properties they decide to greenlight Jonah Hex!?!?! WTF!! Granted I like the character, but he's really low on the totem pole compared to even the Atom for me to see on screen.
WB-Greenlight Catwoman, Steel, Jonah Hex! Can all the ones mentioned above!

[GreenKToo]

Batman and Superman are polar opposites. Making Superman Dark would be like making Batman a bright, fun, kid friendly film. coughB&Rcough.

[Showtime]

I love Green Arrow but I think it will be axed too or at least changed to fit a darker Batman Begins-like approach.

I think something like this would be awesome for GA:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzTu-r03vhE

vzTu-r03vhE

I believe the SuperMax script was very dark.

It will win the best supporting actor oscar.

The oscars are predictable and, no matter if Ledger deserves it or not, he is getting it. If only because it was his breakout role and his last, in a movie that made 530mil.

It sure would be.

Many are now saying nomination for best picture is a lock.

[BlackLantern]

steel? steel? are you serious?

[darthhalen]

Showtime-Could this be a possible scenario or something youv'e heard? Would WB use the next Superman film to introduce someone like the Flash or even Wonder Woman, much like Marvel is rumored to do with Hawkeye and black Widow? Or is that pretty remote and futile.

[Showtime]

I am the Knight's right, we now get Jonah Hex! That's the thing with all these great properties they decide to greenlight Jonah Hex!?!?! WTF!! Granted I like the character, but he's really low on the totem pole compared to even the Atom for me to see on screen.
WB-Greenlight Catwoman, Steel, Jonah Hex! Can all the ones mentioned above!

Jonah Hex is on the level of V for Vendetta, it doesn't change any of WB's major plans.

[GreenKToo]

steel? steel? are you serious?
I hope he was kidding or mistyped.

[Showtime]

Showtime-Could this be a possible scenario or something youv'e heard? Would WB use the next Superman film to introduce someone like the Flash or even Wonder Woman, much like Marvel is rumored to do with Hawkeye and black Widow? Or is that pretty remote and futile.

I haven't heard anything along those lines, but it wouldn't be a bad idea to cameo a character or two.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I haven't read the book either, and I won't until after the movie....just in case the movie doesn't live up to the book, ya know. What's hilarious to me is that in the trailer they call Snyder "the visionary director" ..... :whatever: :woot: LOL! what's visionary about 300???Well it was the nicest looking peice of s**t released in whatever year it came out. I'm trying to forget.


Stay awhile.This forum is like crack to me. Despite all of my b**ching I don't know how to quit it.

And no, I wasn't making a BrokeBack Mountain joke.

[darthhalen]

BL-I brought up Steel as an example of crappy DC movies/concepts that got a greenlight compared to all the great ones that sit collecting dust.
Granted, Jonah Hex may end up great, but I'm not holding my breath.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I believe the SuperMax script was very dark.



Many are now saying nomination for best picture is a lock.I'd be shocked if it didn't get a best pic nomination so no surprise there.

[RachelDawes]

Many are now saying nomination for best picture is a lock.

For TDK? I figured it would be

The Curious Case of Benjamin Button
Milk
Doubt
Slumdog Millionaire
The Wrestler

Who's going to be left out?

[I Am The Knight]

This forum is like crack to me. Despite all of my b**ching I don't know how to quit it.

And no, I wasn't making a BrokeBack Mountain joke.

I never would've called that.

[BlackLantern]

is that the new "real fan" thing to do now....bash '300'? I've yet to meet anyone off the Hype who didn't enjoy the movie to some point...but hey differences in America....

as for Superman, there are plenty of stories to tell there....I hope WB picks one that fits

[Anita18]

I don't think TDK's getting a best picture nomination.
That's obviously still up in the air, but it's come closer than ANY other superhero film in history. Especially with the PGA nomination yesterday. They have a history of nominating a blockbuster every once in a while, but TDK's the first superhero film.

What's hilarious to me is that in the trailer they call Snyder "the visionary director" ..... :whatever: :woot: LOL! what's visionary about 300???
Well, he had a vision for how it looked...and he achieved it, sooo...:hehe:

I was surprised at how well they pulled it off visually, though. It was totally blue-screened but the world they built around it was really cool and integrated the actors well.

[Showtime]

is that the new "real fan" thing to do now....bash '300'? I've yet to meet anyone off the Hype who didn't enjoy the movie to some point...but hey differences in America....

as for Superman, there are plenty of stories to tell there....I hope WB picks one that fits

300 is a visually pleasing action piece and that is about it. I expect the same from Watchmen. Nothing wrong with that, but Snyder is what he is.

Snyder makes action set pieces look pleasing to the eye just as Singer makes dramatic set pieces look pleasing to the eye. That's what they do.

[Mostpowerful]

Well it was the nicest looking peice of s**t released in whatever year it came out. I'm trying to forget.

.



Well, he had a vision for how it looked...and he achieved it, sooo...:hehe:

I was surprised at how well they pulled it off visually, though. It was totally blue-screened but the world they built around it was really cool and integrated the actors well.

Sure, it looked cool, all style and no substance, but that's what a lot of people care about, I guess. Not me. I care about good storytelling and good acting first and foremost.

[BlackLantern]

and I like them both....directors have their strengths....I might hate Joel Schumacher for what he did to Batman but he did ,IMO, a fantastic job with making Phantom of the Opera look great

[Anita18]

Sure, it looked cool, all style and no substance, but that's what a lot of people care about, I guess. Not me. I care about good storytelling and good acting first and foremost.
Well, nobody said "visionary" couldn't mean visually visionary. :oldrazz:

I won't deny that Snyder has the best intentions with Watchmen. I don't think he's been given the chance to really show off his storytelling skills, so Watchmen will definitely be a trial by fire.

[Mostpowerful]

300 is a visually pleasing action piece and that is about it. I expect the same from Watchmen. Nothing wrong with that, but Snyder is what he is.

.

Really?? :csad: I have no idea about the world and characters of Watchmen, but I understand it's one of, if not the best graphic novel ever written, right? By Alan Moore. I thought it was supposed to have deeper characterization and great storytelling.. :huh:

[Double Down]

Really?? :csad: I have no idea about the world and characters of Watchmen, but I understand it's one of, if not the best graphic novel ever written, right? By Alan Moore. I thought it was supposed to have deeper characterization and great storytelling.. :huh:

Go read it. You will not regret it.

[BlackLantern]

Really?? :csad: I have no idea about the world and characters of Watchmen, but I understand it's one of, if not the best graphic novel ever written, right? By Alan Moore. I thought it was supposed to have deeper characterization and great storytelling.. :huh:

it does...which no film, regardless of director or writer, will ever accurately translate...

[Showtime]

Really?? :csad: I have no idea about the world and characters of Watchmen, but I understand it's one of, if not the best graphic novel ever written, right? By Alan Moore. I thought it was supposed to have deeper characterization and great storytelling.. :huh:

Pretty damn solid graphic novel, I meant that it will look good on screen for sure and have action.

[Shivsguy616]

Really?? :csad: I have no idea about the world and characters of Watchmen, but I understand it's one of, if not the best graphic novel ever written, right? By Alan Moore. I thought it was supposed to have deeper characterization and great storytelling.. :huh:

It does. It's going to be next year's Dark Knight. Probably better.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

is that the new "real fan" thing to do now....bash '300'? I've yet to meet anyone off the Hype who didn't enjoy the movie to some point...but hey differences in America....

as for Superman, there are plenty of stories to tell there....I hope WB picks one that fitsNo, the "real fan" thing to do is talk about how overrated or s**tty the Spider-Man movies were at every turn, whine if somebody says that they didn't like Something in the perfect The Dark Knight and call Christain Bale an acting g-d and whine if somebody says that they didn't like the orginal perfect Superman movie.

I call 300 a peice of trash because thats what I think that it is. I watched it and didn't like what I saw, it's as simple as that sir. I'm not passing off my opinion as anyone elses. It was a huge hit and alot more people dug it then didn't but that still doesn't change the fact that this 24 year woman who loves violent action movies (and has since childhood) saw it and didn't like it.

Sure, it looked cool, all style and no substance, but that's what a lot of people care about, I guess. Not me. I care about good storytelling and good acting first and foremost.Then why did you like SR?:oldrazz:

[Showtime]

It does. It's going to be next year's Dark Knight. Probably better.

I wouldn't go that far.

[FlawlessVictory]

For TDK? I figured it would be

The Curious Case of Benjamin Button
Milk
Doubt
Slumdog Millionaire
The Wrestler

Who's going to be left out?

Just go to "The Oscar Push" thread in the TDK forum, that has it all as far as what has been topping critics lists etc... and which movies have the best shot.

It's most likely going to be:

Milk
Slumdog Millionaire
Frost/Nixon
The Curious Case of Benjamin Button

and a fight between TDK and Doubt for the final spot.

[Anita18]

I wouldn't go that far.
Well, considering the only other comic book movie coming out next year is Wolverine, relatively speaking, it really COULD be next year's Dark Knight! :lmao:

[Mostpowerful]

Well, nobody said "visionary" couldn't mean visually visionary. :oldrazz:

I won't deny that Snyder has the best intentions with Watchmen. I don't think he's been given the chance to really show off his storytelling skills, so Watchmen will definitely be a trial by fire.

Sure, and that's cool, but without substance, any movie gets old pretty fast, no? There must be a balance.



Pretty damn solid graphic novel, I meant that it will look good on screen for sure and have action.

Oh, I see. Let's hope it's a good movie that makes good $ at the BO, and that it encourages WB to make more DC movies. Especially another Superman movie, since that's MY priority.

And thank you everybody for your input and opinions. :yay: Very appreciated.

[Webhead2006]

well i read that lr article and your comments i agree we all pretty much knew what ever film we do get for supes next was going to get a supervillain. I do hope we get a good supervillain for the next film. I would love to see metallo, or brainiac get on the big screen. Though getting back to wb for a second looks like they still dont know what the heck to do or what is the right direction to go for anything. Hopefully things are still changing since the summit but the news we have heard lately doesnt show much change at all.

[I Am The Knight]

I wouldn't go that far.

I would. At least according to people who have read the script, and whose opinion I trust.

[Shivsguy616]

I wouldn't go that far.

I would.

[Anita18]

Sure, and that's cool, but without substance, any movie gets old pretty fast, no? There must be a balance.
Right, but a movie to be "visionary" doesn't mean it has to be a timeless classic. :oldrazz: The Matrix was certainly visionary, but it isn't spoken with the same admiration as say, 2001: A Space Odyssey.

[SatEL]

I would. At least according to people who have read the script, and whose opinion I trust.

What better than TDK or just as succesful?

[FlawlessVictory]

What better than TDK or just as succesful?

The argument is whether it will be better. No way in hell will it be more successful.

[Showtime]

I would. At least according to people who have read the script, and whose opinion I trust.

I would.

So...you guys think it is going to become at least the #2 grossing movie all time in the U.S. and receive Oscar nominations. I sure don't.

Well, considering the only other comic book movie coming out next year is Wolverine, relatively speaking, it really COULD be next year's Dark Knight! :lmao:

Touche.

well i read that lr article and your comments i agree we all pretty much knew what ever film we do get for supes next was going to get a supervillain. I do hope we get a good supervillain for the next film. I would love to see metallo, or brainiac get on the big screen. Though getting back to wb for a second looks like they still dont know what the heck to do or what is the right direction to go for anything. Hopefully things are still changing since the summit but the news we have heard lately doesnt show much change at all.

Is this really even breaking news, there were articles on this in 2006. Adding other villians and putting them Lex in the background and then later in 07, no Lex at all. It's like a time machine.

[Shivsguy616]

What better than TDK or just as succesful?

I doubt it will be nearly as succesful. Not that many people know about it. But it does seem like it will be as good or better.

[I Am The Knight]

What better than TDK or just as succesful?

It should be better than TDK, but it has no chance in hell of being as financially succesful.

[Webhead2006]

Is this really even breaking news, there were articles on this in 2006. Adding other villians and putting them Lex in the background and then later in 07, no Lex at all. It's like a time machine.
No it isnt i know and remember most of those articles myself its just the same crap news for superman since SR realease. More news of small tiny details but no firm call on what the heck is happening. Hopefully we can get the news we all want to know soon.

[SatEL]

It should be better than TDK, but it has no chance in hell of being as financially succesful.

Hmmmmm thats interesting well we will have to wait and see, I cant say I wouldnt be surprised if it turnt out as an overall better film than TDK.

[I Am The Knight]

So...you guys think it is going to become at least the #2 grossing movie all time in the U.S. and receive Oscar nominations. I sure don't.

I was referring to quality specifically. As far as the Oscars....If TDK is having a hard time getting nominations due to it's comic book roots, Watchmen would certainly never have a chance at an Oscar, regardless of how good it would actually be.

[Shivsguy616]

So...you guys think it is going to become at least the #2 grossing movie all time in the U.S. and receive Oscar nominations.

No, I never said that. It doesn't have the history of batman, or the best actor in the film dying to bump up its publicity. I just think it'll be better.

[Showtime]

I was referring to quality specifically. As far as the Oscars....If TDK is having a hard time getting nominations due to it's comic book roots, Watchmen would certainly never have a chance at an Oscar, regardless of how good it would actually be.

No, I never said that. I just think it'll be better.

So you're just talking about opinion. I see.

No it isnt i know and remember most of those articles myself its just the same crap news for superman since SR realease. More news of small tiny details but no firm call on what the heck is happening. Hopefully we can get the news we all want to know soon.

I wonder why all sites are running with this considering they could just go into their archives and republish the same story.

[Mostpowerful]

Then why did you like SR?:oldrazz:

Because SR is a fantastic movie for me in that regard, and I'm hardly alone on that, and you know it. Some professional film critics gave it 5 stars, like Time magazine. :oldrazz: I don't think 300 got as good reviews as SR.



Right, but a movie to be "visionary" doesn't mean it has to be a timeless classic. :oldrazz: The Matrix was certainly visionary, but it isn't spoken with the same admiration as say, 2001: A Space Odyssey.

The Matrix is not 2001 but it is still considered more than just eye candy. Now, the sequels, the less said, the better.. :hehe:

[Anita18]

Touche.
:woot:

I was referring to quality specifically. As far as the Oscars....If TDK is having a hard time getting nominations due to it's comic book roots, Watchmen would certainly never have a chance at an Oscar, regardless of how good it would actually be.
The fact that Watchmen is being released in March automatically kills its Oscar chances. The most recent BP nominee/winner I can think of that was released super-early was Gladiator, and that was in May. There's a reason why November and December is Oscar bait season. :oldrazz:

[Anita18]

The Matrix is not 2001 but it is still consider more than just eye candy. Now, the sequels, the less said, the better.. :hehe:
It was indeed Descartes lite, but the "visionary" part was the wire-fu and bullet time that all of Hollywood immediately started hawking. :funny:

[Mostpowerful]

Is this really even breaking news, there were articles on this in 2006. Adding other villians and putting them Lex in the background and then later in 07, no Lex at all. It's like a time machine.




I wonder why all sites are running with this considering they could just go into their archives and republish the same story.

You wonder, showtime?! I thought you said this was probably 'orchestrated' by WB themselves..

[Crook]

Right, but a movie to be "visionary" doesn't mean it has to be a timeless classic. :oldrazz: The Matrix was certainly visionary, but it isn't spoken with the same admiration as say, 2001: A Space Odyssey.
It's certainly a modern classic in it's own right. That film was way ahead of it's time.

I was referring to quality specifically. As far as the Oscars....If TDK is having a hard time getting nominations due to it's comic book roots, Watchmen would certainly never have a chance at an Oscar, regardless of how good it would actually be.
Eh? The source material alone trumps TDK in every storytelling regard. There is a reason why it's so greatly hailed to this day. It's really up to Snyder in whether he can bring that gold to cinema. If he can, I don't see why it would be that too far out from being at least "considered" for an Oscar, especially if it's financially successful. Which, let's face it, is a large part in why the Academy HAS to consider TDK.

[Showtime]

You wonder, showtime?! I thought you said this was probably 'orquestrated' by WB themselves..

Where did I say this particular news was orchestrated by WB? :huh:

[Mostpowerful]

It's certainly a modern classic in it's own right. That film was way ahead of it's time.


Eh? The source material alone trumps TDK in every storytelling regard. There is a reason why it's so greatly hailed to this day. It's really up to Snyder in whether he can bring that gold to cinema. If he can, I don't see why it would be that too far out from being at least "considered" for an Oscar, especially if it's financially successful. Which, let's face it, is a large part in why the Academy HAS to consider TDK.

QFT.

The Oscar are overrated, imo. It's all so predictable.

[I Am The Knight]

:woot:


The fact that Watchmen is being released in March automatically kills its Oscar chances. The most recent BP nominee/winner I can think of that was released super-early was Gladiator, and that was in May. There's a reason why November and December is Oscar bait season. :oldrazz:

The Academy has all those rules, and they think they'll save them :hehe:

Eh? The source material alone trumps TDK in every storytelling regard. There is a reason why it's so greatly hailed to this day. It's really up to Snyder in whether he can bring that gold to cinema. If he can, I don't see why it would be that too far out from being at least "considered" for an Oscar, especially if it's financially successful. Which, let's face it, is a large part in why the Academy HAS to consider TDK.

No, I agree about Watchmen owning TDK, I'm just not sure The Academy will go for it, even though they should.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Where did I say this particular news was orchestrated by WB? :huh:She is talking about the news of Routh still being Superman.

[Showtime]

She is talking about the news of Routh still being Superman.

...that makes no sense, I was commenting on this Latino Review story.

[BH/HHH]

Default SCOOP: NEW villian for next \S/ flick
SOURCE: www.LatinoReview.com


Scoop: Who Will Be The Next Supervillain?

By El Mayimbe on January 5, 2009

El Mayimbe here...

HAPPY NEW YEAR!

TO THE LATINOS - FELIZ DIA DE LOS REYES!

Anyway, so what is REALLY going on with Superman?

Here is what I was able to find out...

According to my sources, the WB is actively hearing takes from writers for a new SUPERMAN movie. WB is committed to re-making SUPERMAN into an interesting franchise.

At the moment, the execs haven't heard anything they like yet but the kicker is that WB wants a NEW VILLAIN from Superman's Rogues Gallery to be the main antagonist...NOT LEX LUTHOR! Writers have been told to come in to the studio to pitch a story with a new villain but again, the WB hasn't bit on anything they heard yet.

In fact, Luthor is going to take a back seat. Whether he is altogether out or reduced to a contagonist character in the new script remains to be seen.

Personally, I think this is the way to go. Worked at first for Batman back in 2005, why not Supes?

Now I know that goes contrary to what Kevin Spacey said a couple of weeks ago, but I'm just relaying what I'm told...

So could we be seeing BRAINIAC, DARKSEID, DOOMSDAY, or even ZOD battling Supes on the big screen in the near future?


Well at least its some news

[solidsnake86]

I'm really not surprised with the shazam news and many of you shouldnt be either. If they really wanted to make it, it would have been in production, the amount of delays should have been a hint. I also think people are going a bit overboard with the "dark" that there referring to. I think all these comic book properties are dark in a sense, I mean, spider-man 1 was dark if you look at it. His uncle gets shot and dies, his best friends father goes insane trying to keep his company, thats not exactly light-hearted. The way they handled it was excellent though.

I would really rather them take their time on these properties and get them right than half-*** them.

Depending on superman's villain it can be dark as well. Brainiac pops to mind. That doesn't mean that they can't do what spider-man did and really they should be looking at the franchise more than Batman's.

I'm a little concerned with green lantern at this point, but in all fairness thor hasn't announced an actor either so they're both at the same pace as far as i'm concerned.

[Ultimate_Superman]

...that makes no sense, I was commenting on this Latino Review story.
Understood but I think thats where she was coming from.

[Mostpowerful]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Double Down
"It wouldn't shock me to find out that this "new" Superman information was leaked to counter-act the Shazam news. "We're not making that movie, but we are actively trying to figure out how to give you the Superman movie you want."
But all it did was to depress me further. It seems like they are nowhere with Superman."


Showtime said,
"They want to keep Superman news out there floating around, just as they do for Batman and Green Lantern because these are their priorities."




Right. I went back and reread some of your post and (in response to DD) you said that part above.^^ It sounds kinda like that, or not?

I think Jamie also said something like that. I go back to his post.

[Showtime]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Double Down
"It wouldn't shock me to find out that this "new" Superman information was leaked to counter-act the Shazam news. "We're not making that movie, but we are actively trying to figure out how to give you the Superman movie you want."
But all it did was to depress me further. It seems like they are nowhere with Superman."


Showtime said,
"They want to keep Superman news out there floating around, just as they do for Batman and Green Lantern because these are their priorities."




Right. I went back and reread some of your post and (in response to DD) you said that part above.^^ It sounds kinda like that, or not?

I think Jamie also said something like that. I go back to his post.

Looks like Double Down said that, I simply said they like to have any kind of Superman news out there along with other properties, ie it is free advertising. I didn't say WB orchestrated it?

[Webhead2006]

they are probably posting it since its any and all superman news. And slow news day too so far probably.

[Mostpowerful]

Looks like Double Down said that, I simply said they like to have any kind of Superman news out there along with other properties, ie it is free advertising. I didn't say WB orchestrated it?

Oh, I see. This is what Jamie said,

"I believe the point of the article was ultimately to assure fans that WB is actively working on getting another Superman film out ASAP, and not just sitting around with their thumbs up their asses."


Maybe I'm missinterpreting things.


have to go, bye all.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

It doesn't matter if TDK deserves a nomination for best picture or not. The Oscars will want the ratings so it's getting a nomination in the bag IMHO.

After people's complaints last time they will not pass up a golden ratings opportunity this time.

Some people are getting tired of the Oscars, they have to make themselves relevent again.

[Anita18]

Eh? The source material alone trumps TDK in every storytelling regard. There is a reason why it's so greatly hailed to this day. It's really up to Snyder in whether he can bring that gold to cinema. If he can, I don't see why it would be that too far out from being at least "considered" for an Oscar, especially if it's financially successful. Which, let's face it, is a large part in why the Academy HAS to consider TDK.
Well, TDK has the luxury of picking and choosing from every Batman comic the Nolans/Goyer wanted. I don't think any single Batman comic would make for an Oscar-worthy movie, but choose the best parts from the best ones and then you've got something.

Watchmen doesn't have that luxury - they're forced to cut down the source material because of time constraints. As you mentioned, what Snyder chooses to emphasize or take out will determine how good the story for the movie is.

[Anita18]

It doesn't matter if TDK deserves a nomination for best picture or not. The Oscars will want the ratings so it's getting a nomination in the bag IMHO.
If only the Academy were a hive mind, but it's not. :funny: The nomination voting system definitely helps TDK, though.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Hopefully he doesn't choose to only highlight slow-mo action scenes.

[Webhead2006]

hopefully he wont, but from the stuff i seen it does look like a great looking film. I havent read the story myself so i dont know much on the characters but its a film i do want to see if it does get released still.

[SatEL]

Hopefully he doesn't choose to only highlight slow-mo action scenes.

I think thats the least of it's problems (Although the guy needs to stop with the slow-mo already) I just hope critics dont see it as pretentious.

[solidsnake86]

Nominating TDK isn't going to hurt anyone, even if it looses it will get a ratings boost. Sure another movie might loose the spot, but theres only one winner anyways. Really this will probably be the first and last comic book contender for a best pic nomination.

Showtime, have you heard anything on the GL front in terms of its progress.

[Webhead2006]

yea i hope things are still moving well there, i remember the last comment from horn a few weeks back saying they are still hoping to prep it for a spring start date. It seems like everything is in place there beside cast. But maybe they do have a cast set and signed or close to and dont want to release it to the right time like before filming actually starts. Didnt watchmen do this revealed cast right before filming started.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I think thats the least of it's problems (Although the guy needs to stop with the slow-mo already) I just hope critics dont see it as pretentious.I couldn't care less what critics see it as (they liked Superman Returns after all) but I do care what I think of it.