Reintroducing Superman: An Open Discussion

[I SEE SPIDEY]

haha okay then. I stand corrected. why don't you think they need him?Why do you think they do did him?

[I Am The Knight]

Oh, I wouldn't say I'm infatuated with him. :funny: I just wanted to hear about some other villain than just Brainiac, who's practically the consensus board pick for the next villain. Then, when people described his abilities, I thought, "Hey, that's cool. It would be interesting to see Supes' powers turned against him." When people say this guy is too weak to carry his own movie my kneejerk reaction is to wonder why not. I don't think the general public is well aware of many Superman villains outside of Luthor, Bizarro, and maybe Zod so there's an opportunity to introduce more obscure villains.

That's just me exaggerating your posts as the fanboy that I am :hehe: Well, whenever Parasite appears, they need to play the drug addict angle. Parasite's powers fade after some time and when that happens, a terrible longing comes to gain the ability to support himself again.

[Nightwing1977]

Why do you think they do did him?

Because he is Lex frickin' Luthor!! The smartest criminial in the DCU. ;)

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Because he is Lex frickin' Luthor!! The smartest criminial in the DCU. ;)Not a good enough answer Robin.:oldrazz:

I wouldn't mind if they did a younger more serious version of Lex in the next film but I still don't think that they need him. Give another villain all of the screentime and just include Lex in the sequel.

[Double Down]

That's just me exaggerating your posts as the fanboy that I am :hehe: Well, whenever Parasite appears, they need to play the drug addict angle. Parasite's powers fade after some time and when that happens, a terrible longing comes to gain the ability to support himself again.

That would be outstanding. :up:

[Mostpowerful]

I disagree with your disagreement. Luthor is more like a member of the supporting cast in Superman stories. He is as important as Lois Lane or Jimmy Olsen. He is almost always involved in something going on in Superman's world. He may not always be in the forefront, but he's like the shadow thats lurking in the dark corners of screen. Always observant. Always ready to seize the moment when it could be Superman's last. He doesn't need to be a main villain all the time, in fact, I hope they aren't dumb enough to do it.. but he should be always in the movies, even if it's taking a backseat and learning more about his foe. Setting up his empire... creating a new tool by exploiting progress others have made. Stealing technologies that have shown usefulness. He is ultimately Superman's most important foe. He is everything Superman is not and he is the perfect balance. Superman is an alien with more humanity than any one man can have...and Lex is a human with no humanity at all. I think he is of utmost importance.

:applaud


That's just me exaggerating your posts as the fanboy that I am :hehe: Well, whenever Parasite appears, they need to play the drug addict angle. Parasite's powers fade after some time and when that happens, a terrible longing comes to gain the ability to support himself again.

Wow, how interesting.

And yes, you are. :oldrazz:

[RachelDawes]

That's just me exaggerating your posts as the fanboy that I am :hehe: Well, whenever Parasite appears, they need to play the drug addict angle. Parasite's powers fade after some time and when that happens, a terrible longing comes to gain the ability to support himself again.

Now that's the kind of innovation a Superman movie needs. :up:

[solidsnake86]

Due to the circumstance luthor can't really be in the next film and frankly at the most should be mentioned because he needs a rest. He's also a great villain to build a sequel around, much like the joker in batman. Thats why I think its best to save him.

[NewYorkSpider]

I can't imagine a Superman movie without Lex Luthor. I think Luthor should only serve as a minor villain who's watching and observing Superman's every move throughout the movie.

[dark_b]

people can not imagine a superman movei without lex luthro because he was almost everytime next to him. i think people just got used that LL is almost there.

[Angeloz]

I can't imagine a Superman movie without Lex Luthor. I think Luthor should only serve as a minor villain who's watching and observing Superman's every move throughout the movie.

There's "Superman III". Bad example though. ;)

Angeloz

[GreenKToo]

Luthor needs to be there even if it's only a brief cameo of him in Lex-corp towers watching the fight down below between Superman and whatever villain is used.
He is like a scavenger, ready to pounce on the loser.

[FaT_tONle]

If they go corporate Lex... then Lex can be a background player in all the films and yet still take a back seat to a major villain.

[I Am The Knight]

people can not imagine a superman movei without lex luthro because he was almost everytime next to him. i think people just got used that LL is almost there.

But he IS "always around" my lad...

dark_b, be reasonable!!! :woot:

[dark_b]

before BB people said that joker just has to be the first villain to batman.

[I Am The Knight]

Read the last page of this very thread, my lad :o

[Anita18]

Luthor needs to be there even if it's only a brief cameo of him in Lex-corp towers watching the fight down below between Superman and whatever villain is used.
Too random. It was be much more fitting to have a Lexcorp brand somewhere, to give the hint that Lex is pulling the strings, but don't show him until he has a place in the story.

[Showtime]

Lex should be in the next movie, but he should be a puppet master, not the main villian.

[FilmNerdJamie]

So...basically you guys want Luthor to be not unlike Blofeld in the 60s Bond films - during the Connery reign.

Not a bad idea whatsoever.

[Nightwing1977]

If they go corporate Lex... then Lex can be a background player in all the films and yet still take a back seat to a major villain.

Same here. They can still use him, but just not much. Like a "behind the scene" guy, if you will.

[Wushuboy]

Too random. It was be much more fitting to have a Lexcorp brand somewhere, to give the hint that Lex is pulling the strings, but don't show him until he has a place in the story.


my thoughts exactly. Give luthor a rest.. have him be in the shadows. Hint that he's there but don't show him. Show his influence. BB worked fine and they didnt mention joker till the very end. The general audience didnt even know who Ras was and it still worked thanks to Liam Neeson. I would say you could end the movie with showing Lex, showing he's behind all the mayhem but I dont want to see him anywhere else. Maybe you could end the movie with the classic standoff between luthor and superman with luthor sitting in his office looking out the window and superman just floating there staring back. I think that would be a cool scene if the pan into Lex's office building.. you see Luthor standing there looking out to metropolis.. but you also see the reflection of the glass.. then you see superman's reflection on the glass as he floats down ... that'd be cool.

[Double Down]

While the Joker and Lex Luthor are both villains, they don't play the same roles. Would you say Commissioner Gordon can't be in all of the Batman movies because Dan Turpin isn't in all of the Superman movies? Of course not, because different characters have different roles. Lex Luthor is a prominent recurring character in the Superman mythos, whereas the Joker pops up from time to time to cause havoc. Lex Luthor practically owns Metropolis and as such there is no reason he can't be in every movie.

[dark_b]

well if he owns metropolis then make a story where he actually fits in. its like writters first decide to have LL and then writte a story with him in mind. they should first come up with a good superman story and then see if there is some place for LL. dont force him in.

[NeoRanger]

Luthor became more of a "supporting cast character" than a "recurring villain" after MOS, when his role in Metropolis as a whole was expanded. If the movie does go that route and Lex is a business tycoon, they should certainly have him there in one form or another. If they stick with the mad scientist- career criminal angle, they can probably omit him.

[manofsteel4life]

i say have lex appear occasionally, in and out of the movie, but not upfront, like its been said before....lurking in the shadows.....then after supes has defeated whatever enemy they choose and flies off as people cheer.....then sort of like they did in the hulk after bruce learned to control the hulk, the screen goes dark for a brief second....then we see lex, in his office looking at what went wrong and the audience finds out he's behind it all.....which sets up the sequel

[Wushuboy]

While the Joker and Lex Luthor are both villains, they don't play the same roles. Would you say Commissioner Gordon can't be in all of the Batman movies because Dan Turpin isn't in all of the Superman movies? Of course not, because different characters have different roles. Lex Luthor is a prominent recurring character in the Superman mythos, whereas the Joker pops up from time to time to cause havoc. Lex Luthor practically owns Metropolis and as such there is no reason he can't be in every movie.

They do somehwat play the same roles. Ask anyone, not just comic book fans who batman's arch enemy is and they'll say Joker. That's just public perception. You ask them who's superman's arch enemy.. they'll say lex luthor. They are both the antithesis of their corresponding heroes whether they pop up from time to time or not. But Nolan was able to bring in a villain that is relatively unknown to the public and he still made it work. The same can be done with Superman. Lex is not needed. I think at this point the audience would rather see someone new introduced that they havent seen before. It would be new and exciting.

You can't put Turpin on the same level as Gordon. Gordon, in everyone's mind, is important to batman's war on crime. That's just common knowledge. Turpin, on the other hand, is not vital to superman's stories. He's a relatively unknown character. I hadnt even heard of him until the animated series. He doesn't have that reputation of being superman's connection to the police.

Yes LEx is a prominent recurring character but he doesnt have to be in everything. IF so he'd be in every superman story no matter what and he isnt just like joker isnt in every batman story.

We've seen lex in every superman movie already and look at some of the backlash that resulted in it with superman returns. There was a lot of negative sentiment... ppl thinking "another lex story?" Lex can take a break. Everyone knows he's there. Even if they omit him in the movie you can place things in the movie that suggest he's there. Billboards, buildings, newspaper headlines..

Emperor Palpatine in star wars is important to the mythos of star wars but they didnt show him until the second movie and even then it was glimpses. They didnt fully show h im until the last movie. And he was the manipulator or the saga.

[Double Down]

They do somehwat play the same roles. Ask anyone, not just comic book fans who batman's arch enemy is and they'll say Joker. That's just public perception. You ask them who's superman's arch enemy.. they'll say lex luthor. They are both the antithesis of their corresponding heroes whether they pop up from time to time or not. But Nolan was able to bring in a villain that is relatively unknown to the public and he still made it work. The same can be done with Superman. Lex is not needed. I think at this point the audience would rather see someone new introduced that they havent seen before. It would be new and exciting.

You can't put Turpin on the same level as Gordon. Gordon, in everyone's mind, is important to batman's war on crime. That's just common knowledge. Turpin, on the other hand, is not vital to superman's stories. He's a relatively unknown character. I hadnt even heard of him until the animated series. He doesn't have that reputation of being superman's connection to the police.

Yes LEx is a prominent recurring character but he doesnt have to be in everything. IF so he'd be in every superman story no matter what and he isnt just like joker isnt in every batman story.

We've seen lex in every superman movie already and look at some of the backlash that resulted in it with superman returns. There was a lot of negative sentiment... ppl thinking "another lex story?" Lex can take a break. Everyone knows he's there. Even if they omit him in the movie you can place things in the movie that suggest he's there. Billboards, buildings, newspaper headlines..

Emperor Palpatine in star wars is important to the mythos of star wars but they didnt show him until the second movie and even then it was glimpses. They didnt fully show h im until the last movie. And he was the manipulator or the saga.

I said they were both villains, that isn't even up for debate. And are they archenemies? Of course. No one is debating that either.
But let's put it this way: Smallville features Lex Luthor. Would a similar show featuring a young Bruce Wayne even begin to consider a similar character modeled after the younger version of what would become the Joker? Of course not. That's because the characters don't fulfill the same roles.
Superman and Batman are not the exact same characters. You do understand that, right? Batman doesn't have a Lois Lane, a Jimmy Olsen, a Perry White or a Lex Luthor. Conversely, Superman doesn't have a Robin, a Nightwing, a Commissioner Gordon or an an Alfred. What works for one character doesn't automatically translate to the other character.
Batman has a whole stable of great villains. Superman really doesn't. There is a reason Joker was in Batman, but none of the sequels, while Lex Luthor was in three of the four Christopher Reeve Superman movies.
Lex Luthor is a businessman who owns much of Metropolis in most incarnations. That is just a guy who is a much bigger part of Superman's scene than a clown who escapes from Arkham every once in a while is a part of Batman's.
And I am not even saying Lex has to be in every movie, I am simply saying his role is much different than the Joker's. But for someone to say Lex can't be in a movie because the Joker isn't or wasn't in a movie is a poor argument.

[Wushuboy]

I said they were both villains, that isn't even up for debate. And are they archenemies? Of course. No one is debating that either.
But let's put it this way: Smallville features Lex Luthor. Would a similar show featuring a young Bruce Wayne even begin to consider a similar character modeled after the younger version of what would become the Joker? Of course not. That's because THE CHARACTERS DON'T FULFILL THE SAME ROLES.
Superman and Batman are not the exact same characters. You do understand that, right? Batman doesn't have a Lois Lane, a Jimmy Olsen, a Perry White or a Lex Luthor. Conversely, Superman doesn't have a Robin, a Nightwing, a Commissioner Gordon or an an Alfred. What works for one character doesn't automatically translate to the other character.
Batman has a whole stable of great villains. Superman really doesn't. There is a reason Joker was in Batman, but none of the sequels, while Lex Luthor was in three of the four Christopher Reeve Superman movies.
Lex Luthor is a businessman who owns much of Metropolis in most incarnations. That is just a guy who is a much bigger part of Superman's scene than a clown who escapes from Arkham every once in a while is a part of Batman's.
And I am not even saying Lex has to be in every movie, I am simply saying his role is much different than the Joker's. Saying Lex can't be in a movie because The Joker isn't or wasn't in a movie is a poor argument.

I dont think smallville is good example at all. Of course they'll use lex.. he's the easiest villain to put on screen. No makeup needed. You just need a bald dude. Easy to cast and cheap. The whole premise of lex growing up with clark is proposterous in the first place. And it's definately not canon. Specially when half the time clark is without his glasses. That whole show takes many liberties with the mythos. I mean cmon.. clark meeting jimmy, lois, and the entire supporting cast before he even becomes superman? That being so, if they can take liberties in creating the smallville show, they can definately take liberties with a young bruce wayne. Joker was a two bit criminal. They could have bruce wayne in the same gang learning how criminals think and thwarting them all the time while he's undercover since that was part of his journey to becoming batman.

In every incarnation of lex luthor in the movies he wasn't a business man at all. He was just some evil genius. So him being a business man now who owns most of metropolis had no influence over why he was used in previous superman movies. In superman returns, he slept with a dying old woman to get her money. Evil business man? Nope. More like evil gigolo. And another reason is they most certainly did not have the technology to bring to life any of superman's super powered villains. They could only bring to life villains with the same power as superman because that technology already existed. Another reason, they had unimaginative and bad writers. Superman 3 and 4 are not like the pinnacle of stories and it's not like they had the best writers. You have to admit the quality of writing for today's comic book movies is much higher than it was for those movies.

It sure seems like you are saying lex has to be in every movie because he's so important to the mythos.

I mean you just said this "Lex Luthor practically owns Metropolis and as such there is no reason he can't be in every movie. "

And I didnt say he cant be in a superman movie ... I'm saying LEx doesnt have to be in the first movie in the reboot. I never once said he shouldnt be in the entire series if it goes more than one. If you read my posts I said they should reveal him at the end of the first movie to set up the second one. Just as joker did not need to be in the first movie in the batman reboot even though he is his arch nemesis. Most people thought Joker most definately needs to be the first villain in the reboot because he's the first person you think of. But it doesnt always have to be that way.
I can see a movie without lex. You can't. Bottom line. Even the animated series had episodes with no lex. So how do you explain that? I mean according to you, he's so important that he should have been in EVERY single episode. He wasnt always in justice league either. Nor is he in every single issue of superman. So no, if he can take some absence from a superman story in ALL other media, he can take a leave of absence for a while for ONE superman movie.

[Double Down]

You are so ridiculous that it has become pointless to debate you.

You said:
It sure seems like you are saying lex has to be in every movie because he's so important to the mythos.
I mean you just said this "Lex Luthor practically owns Metropolis and as such there is no reason he can't be in every movie."

I clearly said there is no reason he can't be in every movie. I did not say "he has to be in every movie." That should be obvious to anyone but you.

And yet you add:
I can see a movie without lex. You can't.

Again, I did not say he has to be in the movie. I explained why he could be.

You clearly read things the way you want to and there clearly is no reason to humor you any more.

[Wushuboy]

You're very fixated on the whole joker remark but did not address anything as to why he doesn't need to be in the first film. You clearly got stuck on that one point and cant let it go. I explained why he doesn't need to be.

Your example of lex in smallville suggests it was required for him to be in the series. A necessity. Then you stated "Batman has a whole stable of great villains. Superman really doesn't." So what does that mean? To me it suggests you need to have LEx be the villain since supes' rogues gallery doesnt stack up. It suggests no one else but LEx could have been used. Another thing, LEx in the Reeve movies didnt have the same relationship with Superman as he does now, namely the feelings of hatred for superman because he's an alien. And the relationship of LEx and Superman in the Reeve movies does not even compare to the relationship between joker and batman in the burton movie since well.. Joker killed batman's parents. He was the catalyst for the single most important event in his life. As far as joker not being in the burton sequels. Im pretty sure it had nothing to do with his role to batman, being a villain that just pops up from time to time. That's his role in the comic. With respect to the burton movies, the reason he was only in the first one and not the sequels is simple duh duh duh... they killed him off! He never even had a chance to escape from arkham. If you look at Joker in TDK and even comics, he's not out just to hurt people, he's there to psychological break batman whereas Lex just wants to destroy superman. It's a game to joker and sometimes mind games can be deadlier.

You explained why he could be in the movies. Ok i get it. He's important to the mythos. He *could* be in every movie. I'll agree with you there. But I explained why he doesnt need to be or at least just not in the first one. While their roles arent exactly the same they are similar.. just carried out in different ways. Joker could have easily been the first villain in the nolan series. If you took out the little subplot about updating the costume and had him in the new costume from the beginning, TDK could easily have been the first film in the series even if there was no BB but they chose not to do it. And they can choose not to have lex in the new superman movie as well but could he be? sure he could.

[X Knight]

I think, like it or not, Lex really should be in all the Superman movies. To me, he's more than just a villain. He's actually part of the supporting cast. Just like Lois, Jimmy, Perry, etc. Just like Gordon and Alfred are important recurring, supporting characters to Batman.

Now....that doesn't mean Lex has to be the PRIMARY villain in all Superman movies ( that would get stale and boring ). But he should be involved, in some capacity....whether it's teaming up with the other villain against Supes.....or even teaming up with Supes against the other villain.

Lex is just too integral of a character to be ignored in a Superman movie. A Superman movie without Lex would be like a Superman movie without Lois......

[Wushuboy]

I think, like it or not, Lex really should be in all the Superman movies. To me, he's more than just a villain. He's actually part of the supporting cast. Just like Lois, Jimmy, Perry, etc. Just like Gordon and Alfred are important recurring, supporting characters to Batman.

Now....that doesn't mean Lex has to be the PRIMARY villain in all Superman movies ( that would get stale and boring ). But he should be involved, in some capacity....whether it's teaming up with the other villain against Supes.....or even teaming up with Supes against the other villain.

Lex is just too integral of a character to be ignored in a Superman movie. A Superman movie without Lex would be like a Superman movie without Lois......

Yeah i agree. I think he def needs to take a backseat for the next film. Yes he's a supporting character... but let's give another villain a shot. No Zod or nuclear man either. I'd like to see someone with some different powers for variety. You never know what some writers could come up with with a character like metallo, braniac, or a parasite. I just dont want to see him as the primary villain again.

[Sam]

If Warner goes for a reboot, Lex HAS to be on it.

Heck, even if they dont do a reboot, Lex need to be on the movie!

There are 3 things that is need to be around in some way (besides Superman, of course): Lois Lane, Lex Luthor and Daily Planet!

[NeoRanger]

Eaaaasy boys. Let's put it this way, simply: Lex SHOULD be in the future Superman movies, but he doesn't HAVE to be. I don't think there are many who would mind his sheer presence, if he does take a backseat, anyway, so I don't see where we all disagree.

Beer anyone?

[Mentok]

I personally like the idea of Lex being in the background, pulling the strings. Ofcourse, when he really reveals what he is up to (after a film or two) then his plans get WAY out of hand and Superman has to save his sorry ass.

No better way to piss of Lex then to have Superman save him.

[I Am The Knight]

Too random. It was be much more fitting to have a Lexcorp brand somewhere, to give the hint that Lex is pulling the strings, but don't show him until he has a place in the story.

So basically what Favreau is doing with the Mandarin in Iron Man. Ja?

[Double Down]

Eaaaasy boys. Let's put it this way, simply: Lex SHOULD be in the future Superman movies, but he doesn't HAVE to be. I don't think there are many who would mind his sheer presence, if he does take a backseat, anyway, so I don't see where we all disagree.

Beer anyone?

Yep, that's what I was saying. Someone else was trying to put words in my mouth (so to speak).

[hockeyboy89]

As a newb, I always thought that in SR, it should have been established that Lex's dead ex and her billions were part of a Wayne Industries type of corp. He could have taken that and turned it into Lex Corp, used their legal team to cover his bad deeds, and could have combined his knowledge with any tech to further his ambitions.........but alas that didn't happen.

[dark_b]

we really need a superfight. and ILM needs to do the effects. bay's movie are maybe brainless or cliche. but they show a lot of destruction.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAujq_F_AD0&fmt=22

it really should be a lot of fun like IM and a lot of action.

[RachelDawes]

As a newb, I always thought that in SR, it should have been established that Lex's dead ex and her billions were part of a Wayne Industries type of corp. He could have taken that and turned it into Lex Corp, used their legal team to cover his bad deeds, and could have combined his knowledge with any tech to further his ambitions.........but alas that didn't happen.

We didn't really need any explanation about where he got his money. The GA knows Lex is rich, and since SR was just a vague sequel to the Donner series there wasn't any real need to explain how Lex got out of his legal woes. Maybe a throwaway reference could have been made.

Welcome to the Hype. :yay:

[I Am The Knight]

I don't think the GA knows that Lex is rich. They probably don't even remember who played him 30 years ago. Do they even remember much about the Donner films?

[El Payaso]

I don't think the GA knows that Lex is rich. They probably don't even remember who played him 30 years ago. Do they even remember much about the Donner films?

What I'm sure of is that GA doesn't remember that the crystals built the FoS and therefore they can grow with water.

But about Lex, what can I tell you. I just loved the old rich woman scene.

But I would love even more business man Lex.

[hockeyboy89]

We didn't really need any explanation about where he got his money. The GA knows Lex is rich, and since SR was just a vague sequel to the Donner series there wasn't any real need to explain how Lex got out of his legal woes. Maybe a throwaway reference could have been made.

Welcome to the Hype. :yay:

Thanks! I was just saying they could have used that as a way of changing Lex from two bit criminal to the more industrious Lex many are calling for.

[Webhead2006]

yea that is one thing i dont like about donnor's lex or SR keeping the donnor ties, that lex is silver age/30yrs old where the character has changed alot since then. If they do reboot i said this before i would love to see the rich/powerful corp lex that owns the whole city and all the criminal activities untill superman shows up and superman discovers lex is evil but cant pin it on him yet so the city goes on thinking he is the great man he has made everyone think he is.

[RachelDawes]

I don't think the GA knows that Lex is rich. They probably don't even remember who played him 30 years ago. Do they even remember much about the Donner films?

I usually measure the knowledge of the GA based on my knowledge because I wasn't a superhero fan until recently. In 2006, if you'd asked me about Lex Luthor the only thing I could've told you is that he's bald and rich.

yea that is one thing i dont like about donnor's lex or SR keeping the donnor ties, that lex is silver age/30yrs old where the character has changed alot since then. If they do reboot i said this before i would love to see the rich/powerful corp lex that owns the whole city and all the criminal activities untill superman shows up and superman discovers lex is evil but cant pin it on him yet so the city goes on thinking he is the great man he has made everyone think he is.

Yep. I really, really wish SR had been a Superman reboot, BB style.

[RachelDawes]

Thanks! I was just saying they could have used that as a way of changing Lex from two bit criminal to the more industrious Lex many are calling for.

Yeah, your idea could've worked and would've been the next best thing to a true reboot that made Lex more faithful to the modern comics.

[Webhead2006]

I usually measure the knowledge of the GA based on my knowledge because I wasn't a superhero fan until recently. In 2006, if you'd asked me about Lex Luthor the only thing I could've told you is that he's bald and rich.



Yep. I really, really wish SR had been a Superman reboot, BB style.
Yea when i first heard about the film was actually going to happen i too thought it would have been a reboot totally for the series like bb did for batman. But singer decided to go quasi sequel thing.

[Nightwing1977]

I don't think the GA knows that Lex is rich. They probably don't even remember who played him 30 years ago. Do they even remember much about the Donner films?

If the general audiences doesn't know Lex is rich from looking at his business suit, then they're dumb. :hehe:

[Mostpowerful]

What I'm sure of is that GA doesn't remember that the crystals built the FoS and therefore they can grow with water.

But about Lex, what can I tell you. I just loved the old rich woman scene.

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Me too. :hehe: Very comic-booky.

And I loved the whole movie as well. :o

[dark_b]

Me too. :hehe: Very comic-booky.

And I loved the whole movie as well. :othats a problem IMO. it goes from cartoony comic booky scene to dead serious scenes.

i still think that LL should never be used for jokes. neeeeeever.

[GreenKToo]

I agree. Lex needs to be serious with just a touch of dark humor. Nothing cheesy tho.

[dark_b]

you dont cast kevin spacey(the guy who was in Seven) and make him a funny LL. this should be illegal.

[Mostpowerful]

thats a problem IMO. it goes from cartoony comic booky scene to dead serious scenes.

i still think that LL should never be used for jokes. neeeeeever.

I agree. Lex needs to be serious with just a touch of dark humor. Nothing cheesy tho.

There was nothing "cheesy" in that scene to me, though. This is a comic book movie after all, right? So, it does need some of those elements from the comics. And to me Spacey's Lex was for the vast mayority of the film very serious with just a touch of dark humor, as you said. :o To each their own.

[dark_b]

There was nothing "cheesy" in that scene to me, though. This is a comic book movie after all, right? So, it does need some of those elements from the comics. And to me Spacey's Lex was for the vast mayority of the film very serious with just a touch of dark humor, as you said. :o To each their own.
you can keep that....the rest is mine? music : tu ti tu tu u :huh:

[SuperDaniel]

All the Lex Luthor scenes were comedic, just like HaCKAMan's. Worst Lex Luthor ever and Singer repeated the mistakes of the Donner movie. The old woman scene was just terrible and didn't fit the movie at all.

[Mostpowerful]

you can keep that....the rest is mine? music : tu ti tu tu u :huh:

I like that scene, the delivery of his lines plus Lex' new music ROCKS. And I fail to see how it was cheesy. I guess, our definitions of cheese are a little bit, or a lot, different then.



All the Lex Luthor scenes were comedic, just like HaCKAMan's. Worst Lex Luthor ever and Singer repeated the mistakes of the Donner movie. The old woman scene was just terrible and didn't fit the movie at all.

Now that's a big exaggeration, and you know it.:cwink: You are usually like this; you overdramatize or hyperbole, imo.

[Wushuboy]

I've pretty much enjoyed any role KEvin Spacey plays. I think he's one of the great actors of toady and very talented but his Lex Luthor left a lot ot be desired. You want to see Spacey as a manipulative and serious person.. watch the Usual Suspects. You want to see him evil as hell... watch Seven.

This Lex luthor was just a real estate obsessed gigolo. Could you ever imagine the Clancy brown lex luthor saying "krrrrrryptonite" and then doing a little dance down some stairs? I dont think so.

As for the scene with the old woman.... that was just totally out of left field. For an evil genius, the only way Lex could think of getting money was by becoming a man-w*ore. Some intellect there. This Lex hasn't been shown to be the genius that he's supposed to be. He hasnt created or invented anything. All he did in SR was steal steal and steal some more.

[Wushuboy]

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[GreenKToo]

He wasn't as bad as Hackman's Lex as for as the cheese factor, but to me Spacey still wasnt serious enough. You can't really blame Spacey tho if thats the way Singer wanted it played.

[bgshw44]

thats a problem IMO. it goes from cartoony comic booky scene to dead serious scenes.

i still think that LL should never be used for jokes. neeeeeever.


that scene was wayyyyy out of place, and should have been the first thing cut from the movie

[bgshw44]

All the Lex Luthor scenes were comedic, just like HaCKAMan's. Worst Lex Luthor ever and Singer repeated the mistakes of the Donner movie. The old woman scene was just terrible and didn't fit the movie at all.

hackman was alottttt better playing his luthor than spacey was. the way he was on NK was the way he should have acted the whole movie.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I hated that scene and I still can't believe that I Superman movie began that way but...If other people enjoyed it, good for them. Somebody had too.

[Wushuboy]

old rich grannies need some loving too... and there's two men for the job.. deuce bigalow male gigolo and lex luthor.. haha

Perhaps some people like the thought of lex luthor showing her pleasures she's never known before as she stated on her deathbed.

If that was his scheme to get rich I guess that makes Anna Nicole Smith a genius too.

[hockeyboy89]

It had to explained how Lex had his resources just coming out of prison. I mean that yacht, the helicopter, and his minions had to come from somewhere. I just think it could have been better served.

[X-Maniac]

I can see why that opening scene was there (to show how Lex got his wealth) - though I thought it was very hammy: a storm rumbling in the background, Lex throwing his wig at that kid (who screamed ridculously).

I don't think it was right to open the movie with that scene, it immediately didn't feel right when i saw it. The tone was wrong and the placement was definitely wrong, in my view.

The film would have been better starting with the Krypton exploration scene, then the crash back to Earth, then the title Superman Returns coming up on screen. The opening of a film should set the whole tone and theme, and I didn't think the Lex scene with the old granny did that.

[SuperDaniel]

To introduce the Joker we have an awesome bank scene and a magic trick with a pencil....To introduce Lex Luthor we have....Lex as Anne-Nicole Smith?

Something gotta be wrong...

[Hectorminator]

I think at this point, reintroducing Superman is pointless. EVERYBODY knows who he is and what he can do.

Just do a sequel to Superman Returns, I guess. Well, really I don't care, I just wanna see Kevin Spacey yell at Kate Bosworth again.

But more than that, I think Superman needs a scene like at the end of Speed Racer. If you haven't seen it, go watch it. But I think it's the ultimate "OH MY GOD" series of moments.

Before you even watch Speed Racer, you know he's gonna win the big race at the end of the movie, but it doesn't matter. He basically comes from last to first at the last possible moment, and is so good the other cars are literally exploding around his awesome-ness. They have no chance, Speed has already won, he's just giving everybody a show.

Superman needs to be the one superhero every other superhero WISHES they could be. He needs to "Neo"-fly to rescuing Lois at the end of the movie, cars and debris caught up in his wake. He needs to do something so freaking awesome, you could picture Christian Bale's Batman going "OH SH**!!!" as he holds his head is disbelief. He needs to save everyone, fix everything, and beat every bad guy in super-ultra-ridiculous slow-mo, with the most epic soundtrack blasting in the background.

Bottom line is, you know he's gonna win, so make it epic. Superman should never lose because he's Superman, not Spider-Man, not Batman, SUPERMAN. So don't make it dark, and get to the good stuff, already. (no origin story)

[Superark]

still no news? :csad:

[I SEE SPIDEY]

^Nope.

WB hates us.

[Anita18]

I can see why that opening scene was there (to show how Lex got his wealth) - though I thought it was very hammy: a storm rumbling in the background, Lex throwing his wig at that kid (who screamed ridculously).
Rumbling storms always make me LOL, especially if the camera is set by a window with the curtains blowing. :lmao:

[I Am The Knight]

I think at this point, reintroducing Superman is pointless. EVERYBODY knows who he is and what he can do.

Just do a sequel to Superman Returns, I guess. Well, really I don't care, I just wanna see Kevin Spacey yell at Kate Bosworth again.

But more than that, I think Superman needs a scene like at the end of Speed Racer. If you haven't seen it, go watch it. But I think it's the ultimate "OH MY GOD" series of moments.

Before you even watch Speed Racer, you know he's gonna win the big race at the end of the movie, but it doesn't matter. He basically comes from last to first at the last possible moment, and is so good the other cars are literally exploding around his awesome-ness. They have no chance, Speed has already won, he's just giving everybody a show.

Superman needs to be the one superhero every other superhero WISHES they could be. He needs to "Neo"-fly to rescuing Lois at the end of the movie, cars and debris caught up in his wake. He needs to do something so freaking awesome, you could picture Christian Bale's Batman going "OH SH**!!!" as he holds his head is disbelief. He needs to save everyone, fix everything, and beat every bad guy in super-ultra-ridiculous slow-mo, with the most epic soundtrack blasting in the background.

Bottom line is, you know he's gonna win, so make it epic. Superman should never lose because he's Superman, not Spider-Man, not Batman, SUPERMAN. So don't make it dark, and get to the good stuff, already. (no origin story)

Time to go to bed.

[RachelDawes]

He wasn't as bad as Hackman's Lex as for as the cheese factor, but to me Spacey still wasnt serious enough. You can't really blame Spacey tho if thats the way Singer wanted it played.

Luthor kind of had to be played that way since he was based on Hackman's character. SR's Luthor was screwed the second WB decided to continue the Donnerverse.

[RachelDawes]

still no news? :csad:

I'm hoping for something after the Oscars. WB can't leave us hanging forever right? :csad:

[I Am The Knight]

...

[hockeyboy89]

I'm hoping for something after the Oscars. WB can't leave us hanging forever right? :csad:


Can't they..........UGH

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I'm expecting some news in the summer...that doesn't mean that I will get that news but I'm expecting it.

[hockeyboy89]

Sounds like my last divorce

[RachelDawes]

I'm expecting some news in the summer...that doesn't mean that I will get that news but I'm expecting it.

Why summer?

[mjbull23]

We should be receiving some type of update before the end of the millenia.

[Webhead2006]

Like many have said before its probably going to be another long haul on waiting for another film to hit the screens.

[dark_b]

I hated that scene and I still can't believe that I Superman movie began that way but...If other people enjoyed it, good for them. Somebody had too.true true.

the title is Superman Returns. and the movie starts with lex luthor?

hmmm why not with you know....................superman :hehe:returning?

[bgshw44]

true true.

the title is Superman Returns. and the movie starts with lex luthor?

hmmm why not with you know....................superman :hehe:returning?

ugh so true

[GreenKToo]

Superman: the never ending wait.

[Superark]

^Nope.

WB hates us.

Superman: the never ending wait.


:waa:

[bgshw44]

we have to hear something soon, i dont see how GL coul dget out for 2010 if they dont start going soon.

[I Am The Knight]

Yeah, I was just thinking about that. The GL camp has been very silent.

[El Payaso]

I've pretty much enjoyed any role KEvin Spacey plays. I think he's one of the great actors of toady and very talented but his Lex Luthor left a lot ot be desired. You want to see Spacey as a manipulative and serious person.. watch the Usual Suspects. You want to see him evil as hell... watch Seven.

You want to see Donner Superman movies' Lex Luthor, you watch Superman Returns.

Now everything is in order in Spacey's career.

This Lex luthor was just a real estate obsessed gigolo. Could you ever imagine the Clancy brown lex luthor saying "krrrrrryptonite" and then doing a little dance down some stairs? I dont think so.

Maybe that's because they're different versions of the character.

I don't see Ledger's Joker with the music they have for the BTAS Joker either and with Harley Quinn going 'puddin' around him.

I don't see a Nolan's Riddler going all Jim Carrey/Frank Gorshin.

As for the scene with the old woman.... that was just totally out of left field. For an evil genius, the only way Lex could think of getting money was by becoming a man-w*ore. Some intellect there. This Lex hasn't been shown to be the genius that he's supposed to be. He hasnt created or invented anything. All he did in SR was steal steal and steal some more.

It was very clever indeed.

It was the easiest fastest way to recover his wealth and have his plans moving again. Not to mention that the old lady helped him to go out of jail.

So he got out of jail and made a fortune in no time. yes. Some intellect there. Plus Luthor has the guts to go all the way through that.

He wasn't as bad as Hackman's Lex as for as the cheese factor, but to me Spacey still wasnt serious enough. You can't really blame Spacey tho if thats the way Singer wanted it played.

As far as we know it was the way both Singer and Spacey wanted it played.


Perhaps some people like the thought of lex luthor showing her pleasures she's never known before as she stated on her deathbed.

Maybe some people like the thought of people having his skull stabbed by a pencil. That's why they like the Joker. :o

If that was his scheme to get rich I guess that makes Anna Nicole Smith a genius too.

Did Anna got her own continent? Or had she her face painted like a clown while her mind was in the stratosphere?

Your joke need work.

To introduce the Joker we have an awesome bank scene and a magic trick with a pencil....To introduce Lex Luthor we have....Lex as Anne-Nicole Smith?

Something gotta be wrong...

Yes. For starters I missed Lex's long blonde hair and huge boobs. Wait, we were palying the failed joke again?

But well, Lex and the old woman scene wasn't Lex introduction in this franchise. Lex's introduction was back in STM when he murdered that cop in a horrid way with the train. You know, all that cheese-y stuff.

true true.

the title is Superman Returns. and the movie starts with lex luthor?

hmmm why not with you know....................superman :hehe:returning?

true true.

the title is The Dark Knight. and the movie starts with the Joker?

hmmm why not with you know....................the dark :hehe: knight?

[Mostpowerful]

You want to see Donner Superman movies' Lex Luthor, you watch Superman Returns.

Now everything is in order in Spacey's career.



Maybe that's because they're different versions of the character.

I don't see Ledger's Joker with the music they have for the BTAS Joker either and with Harley Quinn going 'puddin' around him.

I don't see a Nolan's Riddler going all Jim Carrey/Frank Gorshin.



It was very clever indeed.

It was the easiest fastest way to recover his wealth and have his plans moving again. Not to mention that the old lady helped him to go out of jail.

So he got out of jail and made a fortune in no time. yes. Some intellect there. Plus Luthor has the guts to go all the way through that.



As far as we know it was the way both Singer and Spacey wanted it played.




Maybe some people like the thought of people having his skull stabbed by a pencil. That's why they like the Joker. :o



Did Anna got her own continent? Or had she her face painted like a clown while her mind was in the stratosphere?

Your joke need work.



Yes. For starters I missed Lex's long blonde hair and huge boobs. Wait, we were palying the failed joke again?

But well, Lex and the old woman scene wasn't Lex introduction in this franchise. Lex's introduction was back in STM when he murdered that cop in a horrid way with the train. You know, all that cheese-y stuff.



true true.

the title is The Dark Knight. and the movie starts with the Joker?

hmmm why not with you know....................the dark :hehe: knight?

:up: Good post

Oh, and as far as I remember, Ana Nicole Smith didn't get any money, nada, from her old husband; Lex DID.

Also, how do we know that Gertrude was talking about sexual pleasure when she said "showed me pleasures I had never known". Maybe she was talking about some really good feet or back massages... :hehe: those are indeed great, and even better than 'chocolate' sometimes. :oldrazz:

[NeoRanger]

It's so satisfying to establish that the only difference between Anne-Nicole Smith and Lex Luthor is that the latter's whoring was successful. Really fulfilling.

[Mostpowerful]

It's so satisfying to establish that the only difference between Anne-Nicole Smith and Lex Luthor is that the latter's whoring was successful. Really fulfilling.

That's a big difference. :cwink:

[El Payaso]

It's so satisfying to establish that the only difference between Anne-Nicole Smith and Lex Luthor is that the latter's whoring was successful. Really fulfilling.

You're still missing the boobs? :joker:

In fact the manipulation of a old person to get his/her fortune is the only thing in common. Under that flawed logic the Joker can be called Anna Nicole Smith since both wore clown make-up. :o

[NeoRanger]

You're still missing the boobs? :joker:
I'm not. Have you seen Spacey topless lately?

[El Payaso]

I'm not. Have you seen Spacey topless lately?

If he's Anna, him with a shirt should suffice.

[solidsnake86]

Are we still talking about SR, its really pathetic that 3 years after this movie people still feel the need to bash it, to what, validate that there right. Move on. The best part is, this isn't even the thread for it, there's still the SR forum. I guess this lack of news has droven some of you guys nuts.

[Mostpowerful]

:shock

[RachelDawes]

We should be receiving some type of update before the end of the millenia.

At first I was going to say that this was a solid prediction, then I realized I wouldn't be so sure of that.

Superman: the never ending wait.

This movie sucks. :cmad:

we have to hear something soon, i dont see how GL coul dget out for 2010 if they dont start going soon.

I wouldn't have any interest in GL except that I use it as a test for Superman. If WB can't get GL off the ground then it doesn't look good for Supes.

[solidsnake86]

I think its really gonna depend on what story they decide to go with. I think if its an origin type story they're bound to get some great pitches. If they go with some established superman I think its gonna take awhile for a good take to come along.

[GreenKToo]

I dunno. I think they prolly feel like Superman had his shot with Singer and Routh. For the most part it didnt take, and they have prolly shelved him for awhile.

I have no idea if that speculation is correct or not ( I hope not), but the lack of news certainly doesnt argue against that.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Why summer?I'm just guessing.

:waa:It's going to be okay.

[Webhead2006]

totally feels like they just dont know what to do with any dc property. I dont really see what is their dam problems with getting flash, ww, etc.... to happen. Then let alone get another supes film out. Only things we are likely to look forward to in the next yr/yr and a half is hex and possibly gl if it does actually start shooting soon. But hey with nothing really released on gl part doesnt mean nothing is actually happening. Maybe it could be one of those rare times they been able to keep things secret for now.

[RachelDawes]

I'm just guessing.

Darn. I was hoping something was going to happen in the summer that would coincide with a Superman announcement. Oh well, back to waiting for Feb. 23 for me.

[solidsnake86]

^the thing is though, those properties are hard to put together. I mean, everyone was up in arms when Whedon said he wanted to create an original villain for wonderwoman and in some sense I can't really blame fans for being upset.

With the flash you have a whole other animal. Take a look in the current flash on film thread and the debate is now whether it should be wally or barry. People say barry is bland but when you look at the reality of the situation the guy hasnt been written since the 80's besides in flash backs, no kidding his story is bland, you havent heard a modern take on it.

Then you come to superman and all I really have to say is look in the Williams theme thread and you'll see why its so hard to make a decision with a property, that no matter what, runs the risk of pissing a certain segment off. You just have to make sure you piss off the minority, lol.

Something so simple as a movie created 30 years ago which IMO wasn't all that great is really holding a potentially great franchise back. I say it time and time again, but WB went with singer's pitch because he was offering the opportunity to please everyone from STM fans all the way too smallville fans. At the end of the day though it didnt strike a cord with the majority to the extent they had hoped for. I mean just look at the reboot talk, I think if your not going to do a sequel to SR (which there not) it needs a batman reboot.

[mego joe]

^the thing is though, those properties are hard to put together. I mean, everyone was up in arms when Whedon said he wanted to create an original villain for wonderwoman and in some sense I can't really blame fans for being upset.

With the flash you have a whole other animal. Take a look in the current flash on film thread and the debate is now whether it should be wally or barry. People say barry is bland but when you look at the reality of the situation the guy hasnt been written since the 80's besides in flash backs, no kidding his story is bland, you havent heard a modern take on it.

Then you come to superman and all I really have to say is look in the Williams theme thread and you'll see why its so hard to make a decision with a property, that no matter what, runs the risk of pissing a certain segment off. You just have to make sure you piss off the minority, lol.

Something so simple as a movie created 30 years ago which IMO wasn't all that great is really holding a potentially great franchise back. I say it time and time again, but WB went with singer's pitch because he was offering the opportunity to please everyone from STM fans all the way too smallville fans. At the end of the day though it didnt strike a cord with the majority to the extent they had hoped for. I mean just look at the reboot talk, I think if your not going to do a sequel to SR (which there not) it needs a batman reboot.

As much as I like the Reeve films, you are totally on target. Superman is more than just the Donner/Reeve films. This was Singer's first mistake- reliance on the Donner films for his source. Superman is so much bigger than those films.

The next Superman film has to have stuff we've never seen on the bigscreen- Brainiac, corporate Luthor, a Lois and Clark that are together and she knows he's Superman, maybe they're even married. Maybe an old fashioned love triangle between Lois, Lana and Clark- with both ladies knowing he's Superman.

[RachelDawes]

^the thing is though, those properties are hard to put together. I mean, everyone was up in arms when Whedon said he wanted to create an original villain for wonderwoman and in some sense I can't really blame fans for being upset.
[QUOTE]Something so simple as a movie created 30 years ago which IMO wasn't all that great is really holding a potentially great franchise back.

I hope the same thing doesn't happen to Batman after Nolan's movies.

The next Superman film has to have stuff we've never seen on the bigscreen- Brainiac, corporate Luthor, a Lois and Clark that are together and she knows he's Superman, maybe they're even married. Maybe an old fashioned love triangle between Lois, Lana and Clark- with both ladies knowing he's Superman.

Good ideas except for the romantic angle. There's no need in the next movie to steer away from the tried-and-true love triangle of Supes/Lois/Clark. Singer's mistake was complicating the least interesting part of any superhero movie: the romantic subplot. Save the Lana/Lois/Supes concept for a future movie after the traditional triangle has inevitable evolved.

[SuperDaniel]

Good ideas except for the romantic angle. There's no need in the next movie to steer away from the tried-and-true love triangle of Supes/Lois/Clark. Singer's mistake was complicating the least interesting part of any superhero movie: the romantic subplot. Save the Lana/Lois/Supes concept for a future movie after the traditional triangle has inevitable evolved.
:up:

Just make goddamn Superman begins and put Braniac and corporate Lex Luthor. That's all I want.

[mego joe]

[quote=solidsnake86;16383148]^the thing is though, those properties are hard to put together. I mean, everyone was up in arms when Whedon said he wanted to create an original villain for wonderwoman and in some sense I can't really blame fans for being upset.


I hope the same thing doesn't happen to Batman after Nolan's movies.



Good ideas except for the romantic angle. There's no need in the next movie to steer away from the tried-and-true love triangle of Supes/Lois/Clark. Singer's mistake was complicating the least interesting part of any superhero movie: the romantic subplot. Save the Lana/Lois/Supes concept for a future movie after the traditional triangle has inevitable evolved.

I know what you're getting at, but I was imagining a young Clark coming to Metropolis who still has feelings for Lana (and she's in love with him) and Clark realizes that Lois is the woman for him though he will always care about Lana and be close friends.

[Webhead2006]

would be interesting romantic twist for a reboot.

[NeoRanger]

If they manage to not make him look like an ass, the angle of the farmboy coming to the city and growing out of his little town life (which includes Lana) is adequate for a romance. It's also a good parallel to draw between farm-life-to-city-life and farmboy-Clark-Kent-to-Superman.

[Webhead2006]

yea could be a cool angle if written right.

[Superark]

Are we still talking about SR, its really pathetic that 3 years after this movie people still feel the need to bash it, to what, validate that there right. Move on. The best part is, this isn't even the thread for it, there's still the SR forum. I guess this lack of news has droven some of you guys nuts.

Thank you!!! Gosh I don't know why people cant understand that

[NeoRanger]

That works both ways, guys. Just as long as people randomly praise SR and repeatedly bring up how much they love this and that aspect of it, the other's side's going to respond in kind.

Same goes for Smallville.

[Superark]

That works both ways, guys. Just as long as people randomly praise SR and repeatedly bring up how much they love this and that aspect of it, the other's side's going to respond in kind.

Same goes for Smallville.


Yeah its one thing to make a random comment of praise or hate of SR, but when both sides start getting into long debate about the movie, especially the same debate from 2 years ago, in this forum instead of the SR forum it gets annoying.

[mego joe]

If they manage to not make him look like an ass, the angle of the farmboy coming to the city and growing out of his little town life (which includes Lana) is adequate for a romance. It's also a good parallel to draw between farm-life-to-city-life and farmboy-Clark-Kent-to-Superman.

It would be interesting to see Clark the farmboy struggle while Superman fits in immediately.

[afan]

If they manage to not make him look like an ass, the angle of the farmboy coming to the city and growing out of his little town life (which includes Lana) is adequate for a romance. It's also a good parallel to draw between farm-life-to-city-life and farmboy-Clark-Kent-to-Superman.

See for me the farmboy gestalt is pure. It is the fabric of Superman, and should not be altered by Metropolis.

It is the city dweller that when compared to the farm boy should appear foolishly shallow and vacant.

[Webhead2006]

Yea it would be very cool to see what twists/differences they could come up with the farm raised clark and his identity of clark in the city. Would be cool to see something new and different then what we have seen.

[RachelDawes]

[quote=RachelDawes;16383313]

I know what you're getting at, but I was imagining a young Clark coming to Metropolis who still has feelings for Lana (and she's in love with him) and Clark realizes that Lois is the woman for him though he will always care about Lana and be close friends.

Lana could be shown in Smallville, as well as Clark moving away from her to Lois, but it shouldn't consume too much of the first movie. The first film may have its hands full just showing Supes' origin and backstory. Save the full Lana subplot for the second or third movie when the audience will be invested enough in the characters to care that Clark has to choose between Lois and Lana.

[RachelDawes]

Yea it would be very cool to see what twists/differences they could come up with the farm raised clark and his identity of clark in the city. Would be cool to see something new and different then what we have seen.

Even though Superman has had five movies made about him there's so many aspects about the character that can still be explored. That's what makes him great. :super:

[Anita18]

It is the city dweller that when compared to the farm boy should appear foolishly shallow and vacant.
Pitting farm against city shouldn't have to happen. It's so cliche.

Why does Clark move to Metropolis and work at a newspaper? Undoubtedly to get a bigger view of the world he lives in. I mean, why else work as a journalist, where he'd have to interact with lots of smart people who could figure out his identity at any time? There would have to be some sort of compulsion on his part, to discover things about humanity.

Rural life forces you to get to know a few people and experiences intimately, while urban life encourages opening your eyes to all of the possibilities out there. They're just different ways of living, and I'm hoping for a Superman film which really delves into that.

[NeoRanger]

It is the city dweller that when compared to the farm boy should appear foolishly shallow and vacant.
Even so, when someone (even Superman) moves to an entirely different location, with an entirely different lifestyle, he'll have to adjust. He doesn't have to change in his core, but he won't exactly be able to meet up with Lana and Pete for milkshakes every evening after work.

Pitting farm against city shouldn't have to happen. It's so cliche.
It's still unexplored territory for Superman (at least outside the comics). Superman is a pretty simple, really. He has depth, but he's not really that complicated. I'd like to see something new and quite accessible (even if it's borderline cliché) and not get stuck yet again on the "lone God among humans" angle.

[SuperDaniel]

Pitting farm against city shouldn't have to happen. It's so cliche.

Why does Clark move to Metropolis and work at a newspaper? Undoubtedly to get a bigger view of the world he lives in. I mean, why else work as a journalist, where he'd have to interact with lots of smart people who could figure out his identity at any time? There would have to be some sort of compulsion on his part, to discover things about humanity.

Rural life forces you to get to know a few people and experiences intimately, while urban life encourages opening your eyes to all of the possibilities out there. They're just different ways of living, and I'm hoping for a Superman film which really delves into that.
He doesn't need to go to a newspaper to find out about the world. Flight, x-ray, superspeed, super-hearing, anyone?

That's why I think the motive for him being a reporter should be different than "To know where i'm needed".

I want to see Clark exploring the world before settling in Metropolis.

But yes, farmboy to the big world is a BIG part of the Character. It's probably one of the most important aspects.

[Showtime]

http://www.alleyinsider.com/2009/2/after-24-billion-writedown-time-warner-reports-16-billion-losses-twx

From the Time Warner earnings report:

11:27, Jeff says Dark Knight was the second most profitable film in history. Close to Titantic. "The obvious thing we're goign to take from it is more Dark Knight." We look at Harry Potter It's fantastic to have franchises that last that long. We want to do that with Batman and Superman and perhaps Sherlock Holmes. The sequals are as good, with new characters added, as were the originals. That wasn't the case in the years ago. "Warners has more tentpoles as an on-going strategy taht very much lifts its distribution and peformance." We think that's going to hold up our slate in the 2009 - 2010 period. We've got four more big tentpoles coming this year.

[hockeyboy89]

http://www.alleyinsider.com/2009/2/after-24-billion-writedown-time-warner-reports-16-billion-losses-twx

From the Time Warner earnings report:

Translation.....they say they have a plan.

Thanks agian for the info ST!!!

[Double Down]

If anyone is curious, "Jeff" is Time Warner CEO Jeff Bewkes, not Jeff Robinov.

[Showtime]

I wasn't. HA.

[RachelDawes]

I like the idea of Batman, Superman, and even Sherlock Holmes as long-running franchises. It's great to hear Superman listed in that group. At least we know he hasn't been forgotten.

[Anita18]

He doesn't need to go to a newspaper to find out about the world. Flight, x-ray, superspeed, super-hearing, anyone?
Not necessarily to find out about the world in little factoids, but to really connect with a large variety of people.

Journalism isn't about getting the facts - it's about finding a human story in those facts. I imagine that Clark wants to find as much of a connection to humanity as possible.

[Superark]

http://www.alleyinsider.com/2009/2/after-24-billion-writedown-time-warner-reports-16-billion-losses-twx

From the Time Warner earnings report:


Please PLEASE WB give us another Superman film within 3 years. Or at least give us some official news/announcement regarding the franchise!

[SuperDaniel]

As long as the next Superman movie is a reboot and not connected to SR in any way, i'll be happy.

[Superark]

As long as the next Superman movie is a reboot and not connected to SR in any way, i'll be happy.


I just want a good Superman film, whether its a sequel or reboot.

[Deaths Head II]

I'll be happy if something gets made period. I keep getting the feeling this is going to be the next Superman Lives.

[Nightwing1977]

I just want a good Superman film, whether its a sequel or reboot.

And with Routh. :supes:

[sabetoonth]

yes, his defending routh is a very superman move, and i want to see IF the city would change clark, that angle

[Christmas]

I so hope there's some big announcement imminent that is definitive in some way.

[Webhead2006]

yea it would be so great if things can get off the ground at a faster pace for a superman film. It really does stink that wb just doesnt seem to know what the heck to do with the dc guys besides bats.

[sabetoonth]

maybe dc should make their own movies like marvel, that way we dont get **** movies end up waiting till wre on our deathbed til the damn movie cimes out done right

[sf2]

And with Routh. :supes:
:up:
but will that happen??? how soon???

[Webhead2006]

would be nice if they were able to but since wb owns dc in whole its something that isnt likely to happen any time in the near future.

[Ita-KalEl]

So, using the logic, after the "greenlit" of GL, we have good chances to know the fate of Superman. We have only to wait.

[Ultimate_Superman]

http://www.alleyinsider.com/2009/2/after-24-billion-writedown-time-warner-reports-16-billion-losses-twx

From the Time Warner earnings report:Showtime reading the article they are talking more about how sequels work well for the movies and can be better then the original. Now I am all for a reboot or sequel (more of a reboot then sequel mainly because of the time and age of actors now) but are they (WB) once again maybe looking at making a sequel to Superman Returns after seeing how the sequel to Begins did like how they were in the past? Just under a new director?

[dark_b]

Showtime you think there is a chance that superman would get a ''Campbell'' type director?
it really is interesting for a GL movie. he has IMO enough experience in the movie industry. he knows enough for some dramatic acting and he already worked with action movies.
but would this type of director want to much money and ideas in the script?

[bgshw44]

im a little dissapointed in the cambell news because i always thought he could make a pretty good superman movie. i think wb will be looking for someone like him.

[Showtime]

So, using the logic, after the "greenlit" of GL, we have good chances to know the fate of Superman. We have only to wait.

It seems like that could be what is going to happen.

Showtime reading the article they are talking more about how sequels work well for the movies and can be better then the original. Now I am all for a reboot or sequel (more of a reboot then sequel mainly because of the time and age of actors now) but are they (WB) once again maybe looking at making a sequel to Superman Returns after seeing how the sequel to Begins did like how they were in the past? Just under a new director?

I noticed that as well, but it is a bit vague. I know they went to Bryan Singer more recently to discuss a Superman movie, couple months. Word on the street is Singer said "no" to whatever he was offered. I've mentioned this before.

Showtime you think there is a chance that superman would get a ''Campbell'' type director?
it really is interesting for a GL movie. he has IMO enough experience in the movie industry. he knows enough for some dramatic acting and he already worked with action movies.
but would this type of director want to much money and ideas in the script?

I think that is the type of director they are looking for, always have. Not a huge name but a solid director who can control a big budget and make a tight movie.

im a little dissapointed in the cambell news because i always thought he could make a pretty good superman movie. i think wb will be looking for someone like him.

There are other Campbells out there.

[Ultimate_Superman]

It seems like that could be what is going to happen.



I noticed that as well, but it is a bit vague. I know they went to Bryan Singer more recently to discuss a Superman movie, couple months. Word on the street is Singer said "no" to whatever he was offered. I've mentioned this before.



I think that is the type of director they are looking for, always have. Not a huge name but a solid director who can control a big budget and make a tight movie.



There are other Campbells out there.What I am wondering however is if they are giving serious thought to a sequel now for Superman Returns just under a new director? As I have expressed before I now prefer a reboot but I would be open to a sequel given the story is right and is fitting to what Singer started. Also if the WB has a script or story treatment why don't they run with that?

[FlawlessVictory]

What I am wondering however is if they are giving serious thought to a sequel now for Superman Returns just under a new director? As I have expressed before I now prefer a reboot but I would be open to a sequel given the story is right and is fitting to what Singer started. Also if the WB has a script or story treatment why don't they run with that?

Why would WB make a sequel to a film, they have most recently gone on record stating that it did not position the character the way they liked, 5 - 6 years after that movie came out?

This idea of sequel needs to be let go, it's not happening. Say goodbye to Jason White Lane Kent and Richard White, they aren't coming back. We are not getting a sequel. It's been painfully obvious for awhile now.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Why would WB make a sequel to a film, they have most recently gone on record stating that it did not position the character the way they liked, 5 - 6 years after that movie came out?

This idea of sequel needs to be let go, it's not happening. Say goodbye to Jason White Lane Kent and Richard White, they aren't coming back. We are not getting a sequel. It's been painfully obvious for awhile now.
I understand that and I agree with but at the same time in light of that article it seems like they are still looking at a sequel as well.

[Mostpowerful]

http://www.alleyinsider.com/2009/2/after-24-billion-writedown-time-warner-reports-16-billion-losses-twx

From the Time Warner earnings report:

Quote:
11:27, Jeff says Dark Knight was the second most profitable film in history (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=310379&page=256#). Close to Titantic. "The obvious thing we're goign to take from it is more Dark Knight." We look at Harry Potter It's fantastic to have franchises that last that long. We want to do that with Batman and Superman and perhaps Sherlock Holmes. The sequals are as good, with new characters added, as were the originals. That wasn't the case in the years ago. "Warners has more tentpoles as an on-going strategy taht very much lifts its distribution and peformance." We think that's going to hold up our slate in the 2009 - 2010 period. We've got four more big tentpoles coming this year.



:grin: YES, WB, PLEASE Give us MORE SUPERMAN MOVIES! The world REALLY needs more movies about The Original and Best Superhero: SUPERMAN.


And PLEASE, KEEP BRANDON ROUTH in the role!

He IS Superman! :supes:

[Mostpowerful]

And with Routh. :supes:

YES, OF COURSE! :up:

Why would WB make a sequel to a film, they have most recently gone on record stating that it did not position the character the way they liked, 5 - 6 years after that movie came out?

This idea of sequel needs to be let go, it's not happening. Say goodbye to Jason White Lane Kent and Richard White, they aren't coming back. We are not getting a sequel. It's been painfully obvious for awhile now.

Because they change their minds quite often and easily?

Remember it was Robinov who said that SR was 'the most emotional and realistic superhero movie ever made' or something like that.

[FlawlessVictory]

Because they change their minds quite often and easily?

Remember it was Robinov who said that SR was 'the most emotional and realistic superhero movie ever made' or something like that.

Yes, and I go by what was said most recently and that was Superman Returns failed to position the character the way the studio wanted to. Otherwise, instead of hearing about Green Lantern news, you would be hearing about SR2 news and we're not.

[Showtime]

What I am wondering however is if they are giving serious thought to a sequel now for Superman Returns just under a new director? As I have expressed before I now prefer a reboot but I would be open to a sequel given the story is right and is fitting to what Singer started. Also if the WB has a script or story treatment why don't they run with that?

To be honest, if there was a Superman movie made that you would even be able to call a sequel, it would be more like Batman Forever than a direct sequel to SR. At this point the only thing we've heard is that Routh is still in the mix, right now. Singer doesn't seem to be directing and a new director is not going to come in and take the helm on a direct sequel. I think we are getting some kind of reboot with Routh at this point. Time is not on the side of Routh. Just like it wasn't on the side of Berlanti.

Why would WB make a sequel to a film, they have most recently gone on record stating that it did not position the character the way they liked, 5 - 6 years after that movie came out?

This idea of sequel needs to be let go, it's not happening. Say goodbye to Jason White Lane Kent and Richard White, they aren't coming back. We are not getting a sequel. It's been painfully obvious for awhile now.

They have gone back and forth behind the scenes with what to do, and sequel was still popping up in some meetings but it's just meetings. I don't see how they can go forward with a sequel at this point. It would be a surprise.

[FlawlessVictory]

To be honest, if there was a Superman movie made that you would even be able to call a sequel, it would be more like Batman Forever than a direct sequel to SR. At this point the only thing we've heard is that Routh is still in the mix, right now. Singer doesn't seem to be directing and a new director is not going to come in and take the helm on a direct sequel. I think we are getting some kind of reboot with Routh at this point. Time is not on the side of Routh. Just like it wasn't on the side of Berlanti.

Not quite sure what this means.

[I Am The Knight]

I was gonna ask the same thing. And it is not the first time you have said that, Show.

[Showtime]

Not quite sure what this means.

I was gonna ask the same thing. And it is not the first time you have said that, Show.

The longer that WB drew out getting everything solidified with Green Lantern, the longer they had to think things through and came to terms that Berlanti didn't have enough experience for the gig. This was in the back of their minds and they finally decided it wasn't going to work with such a big property. So they tossed him another project, and started negotiating with a new director.

I think you're looking at a similar situation with Routh, if time keeps passing and WB still doesn't have a plan for Superman, Routh will find himself in a situation where the character of Superman will go to somebody new.

[NeoRanger]

They won't be making a sequel. Even if they hadn't come out and said so, it's way past the acceptable amount of time between direct sequels. The best you Donner-fans can get out of the new movie is aesthetics, Routh and/or some loose continuity (a strange idea to say the least, since that was one of the things that blew in SR's face).

EDIT: Yikes people post fast.

[Man of Tomorrow]

Bond Director in Talks for Green Lantern

Looks like Green Lantern is on the move, and according to trade paper Variety (http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117999580.html?categoryid=13&cs=1), Martin Campbell (Goldeneye, Mask of Zorro, Vertical Limit, Casino Royale) is in talks to direct. There's also a note on other DC projects.

"The emergence of Campbell, who also helmed two "Zorro" films and the 007 film "GoldenEye," puts "Green Lantern" at the top of DC properties being set for movie treatment by WB. While the studio is hoping director Chris Nolan will follow its 2008 smash "The Dark Knight" with another Batfilm, DC projects such as Superman and "Justice League" were expected to happen quickly, but have stalled."

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[FilmNerdJamie]

Bond Director in Talks for Green Lantern

Looks like Green Lantern is on the move, and according to trade paper Variety (http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117999580.html?categoryid=13&cs=1), Martin Campbell (Goldeneye, Mask of Zorro, Vertical Limit, Casino Royale) is in talks to direct. There's also a note on other DC projects.

"The emergence of Campbell, who also helmed two "Zorro" films and the 007 film "GoldenEye," puts "Green Lantern" at the top of DC properties being set for movie treatment by WB. While the studio is hoping director Chris Nolan will follow its 2008 smash "The Dark Knight" with another Batfilm, DC projects such as Superman and "Justice League" were expected to happen quickly, but have stalled."

Indeed that's correct. WB was aiming to have a Returns sequel for 2009 and later 2010 with Singer at the helm. At the moment, they're looking at the "Routhboot" as their way to go.

And Justice League is flat-out dead - in all ways, shapes and forms. Don't believe the reports of Miller still being attached. He's been off the project since...August/September-ish last year.

[RachelDawes]

To be honest, if there was a Superman movie made that you would even be able to call a sequel, it would be more like Batman Forever than a direct sequel to SR. At this point the only thing we've heard is that Routh is still in the mix, right now. Singer doesn't seem to be directing and a new director is not going to come in and take the helm on a direct sequel. I think we are getting some kind of reboot with Routh at this point.

I wouldn't mind that at all. It may be the only way to satisfy the fans who loved and hated SR.

Indeed that's correct. WB was aiming to have a Returns sequel for 2009 and later 2010 with Singer at the helm. At the moment, they're looking at the "Routhboot" as their way to go.

MP will be thrilled to hear this. It pleases me too.

[Webhead2006]

YEa i agree jl has been dead for a long time, though sad to see it had to happen but glad cause the cast and some aspects were not that great. Hopefully one day we can have a kick butt jl film. For supes i do wonder how long we are going to have to wait on another film.

[FaT_tONle]

I think they need to get Routh for that Kent cameo in GL... and they need to make it obvious... not some throw away cameo only fanboys would notice. Reboot by 2012. Crossover by 2014... try to convince Bale... especially if the Terminator franchise flops.

[Man of Tomorrow]

If Bale will do a Terminator film directed by the horrible McG just because WB threw money bags at him...

I'm skeptical he'd turn down a Superman/Batman film.

But the question is whether WB even wants one anymore?

I suppose it depends on the success of the next Superman.

[FaT_tONle]

A good Supes film will do well don't worry about that... I think Routh is key if they are still thinking crossover... he started off with Bale at around the same time... you need that full circle effect. I am worried that if Terminator makes a lot of money... Bale will not agree to return for both sequels AND DC films... I am thinking you get the Batman film in there by 2011... 2012 you release the Terminator sequel (should it get green lit). And World's Finest in 2014 IF GL and the other films flop... or JLA if they do well. Just my two cents.

[solidsnake86]

Time is not on the side of Routh. Just like it wasn't on the side of Berlanti.

Well it was kind of odd how nothing was happening even though the script seemed like it was ready to go. I was hoping they would go for campbell for superman too, but there's others out there.

I was just wondering showtime, I think it was you who wrote on TMT that the writing was on the wall. What ended doing it in for berlanti, not getting actors or a better script, if you know.

[Showtime]

Nothing in particular did him in, what WB had reservations about Berlanti's experience but they loved the story that he helped craft so much they put that fear on the back burner. It stayed in the back of their minds and they felt around with some directors, but when they finally decided they wanted to jump on Lantern I think they came to the conclusion they needed a more experienced hand.

[Double Down]

A good Supes film will do well don't worry about that... I think Routh is key if they are still thinking crossover... he started off with Bale at around the same time... you need that full circle effect. I am worried that if Terminator makes a lot of money... Bale will not agree to return for both sequels AND DC films... I am thinking you get the Batman film in there by 2011... 2012 you release the Terminator sequel (should it get green lit). And World's Finest in 2014 IF GL and the other films flop... or JLA if they do well. Just my two cents.

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g39/doubledown44/untitled-1.jpg


(I did not make the poster)

[Man of Tomorrow]

It looks like Batman and Superman are going in for a kiss.

[Double Down]

It looks like Batman and Superman are going in for a kiss.

It's a standard "vs." poster.
Like this boxing pic:

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g39/doubledown44/jonesvstarverpromo.jpg

If you have two opponents occupying a small space, there is only so much you can do with the picture.

[nintendo nerd]

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g39/doubledown44/untitled-1.jpg


(I did not make the poster)

:applaudAwesone. Thanks DD.

[Double Down]

:applaudAwesone. Thanks DD.

Based on your new avatar, I'm guessing you really liked it. :yay:

[nintendo nerd]

Based on your new avatar, I'm guessing you really liked it. :yay:

Very much. I would love to see a Batman - Superman movie with Routh and Bale. :csad:

[Double Down]

Very much. I would love to see a Batman - Superman movie with Routh and Bale. :csad:

Me too.

[Superark]

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g39/doubledown44/untitled-1.jpg


(I did not make the poster)

That is all kinds of awesome!

BTW, your new avvy rocks DD!

[Double Down]

That is all kinds of awesome!

BTW, your new avvy rocks DD!

Thanks! It comes from this thread:

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=319138

[bgshw44]

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g39/doubledown44/untitled-1.jpg


(I did not make the poster)

i think a worlds finest with routh and bale would make a FORTUNE at the BO. Since Terminator is a wb property, i would just throw money at bale and crew to make this movie happen after BB3. then reboot all the franchises in a JLA film in my opinion. i feel that a worlds finest would be cheaper to make and gain more at the box office then JLA

[solidsnake86]

Thanks for that showtime, its still early february but I'm wondering if they also narrowed down the actors to a short list or are close to signing one. I find it amazing that they were able to really keep this quiet that berlanti was no longer directing.

Campbell seems like the director that uses whats given to him (see bond) so I can't see him changing the script that much. I'm wondering if they'll be able to put it together for 2010.

On the superman front I can see it taking a back seat for another year before we hear anything.

[Superark]

Thanks! It comes from this thread:

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=319138

Haha, that was tremendous!

[Nightwing1977]

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g39/doubledown44/untitled-1.jpg


(I did not make the poster)

Dude, thanks for posting that. I love it!! Look fantastic & quite epic. It would be great if a WF film happend & they use the poster like this one. :up:

It looks like Batman and Superman are going in for a kiss.

You're not interest in seeing them do that, are you? :oldrazz: :hehe:

[FaT_tONle]

i think a worlds finest with routh and bale would make a FORTUNE at the BO. Since Terminator is a wb property, i would just throw money at bale and crew to make this movie happen after BB3. then reboot all the franchises in a JLA film in my opinion. i feel that a worlds finest would be cheaper to make and gain more at the box office then JLA

Yeah I gotto agree with this... I don't think the general public cares for GL, WW, Flash, MM. Unless the solo films are phenomenol I'd reboot JLA from the start in what would be a completely separate franchise.

[RachelDawes]

If Bale will do a Terminator film directed by the horrible McG just because WB threw money bags at him...

Bale agreed to do TS only after he read Jonah Nolan's script and deemed it good.

I'm skeptical he'd turn down a Superman/Batman film.

It's hard to imagine him in one, just because I think he'd find it to be cheesy. If it had a great script, though...maybe.

But the question is whether WB even wants one anymore?

I hope they do but their inability to get any of their properties outside of Batman moving is not encouraging. I have a gut feeling Bale won't do it so that dampens my enthusiasm somewhat.

I suppose it depends on the success of the next Superman.

Probably.

[FaT_tONle]

Bale will do the film if Routh is involved on top of a good script... I don't know about JLA, but WF no doubt. They have to cast right for if it is going to work though... not just for the Superman reboot, but for a WF film as well. If they get some big, respected names for Luthor and Lois then I could see Bale working with Routh and Co. in a B v S film.

[Showtime]

I spent many a post explaining that The Summit changed things at WB. Some of you, because of the long waiting game we are all participating in, gave up and declared The Summit a failure. Here are some comments from one of the writers for Green Lantern pointing to the importance of The Summit.

http://movies.ign.com/articles/951/951683p1.html

Green (no relation to the Lantern), who has written everything from episodes of Heroes to the Superman/Batman comic, penned the script with Greg Berlanti, who was previously slotted to direct the film, and Marc Guggenheim (The Flash: The Fastest Man Alive. The writer cites the recent Warner Bros./DC "summit meeting" as part of the reason for the apparently renewed interest at the studio in the long gestating project.

"What emerged from that, from what I know as I was not a part of it, was that from that meeting a lot of enthusiasm for Green Lantern came about," says Green. "I think they liked it. I think DC liked it. I've heard very nice things from DC and I've heard nice things from DC writers. Actually, another really nice compliment -- Geoff Johns read it and I bumped into him and he was really nice and complimentary about it. I thought that was really cool because I like his comics."

And then there's always the Justice League issue when discussing any DC Comics film property. The team film that was being put together at Warner Bros. recently and rather famously blew up in director George Miller's face, Krypton style. But still, with Marvel's The Avengers clearly on the fast track, it seems inevitable that Warner is going to want to reassemble the JLA in the near future. And that will presumably involve the Green Lantern, though Green says there has been no mandate from the studio during the writing of GL to somehow set up or otherwise tie into a possible Justice League movie.

"I'm sure they've had those conversations [at the studio]," says Green. "I don't know what the current plans are for Justice League. I would go see it! It sounds cool. I think the idea is to treat them separately right now and, like all things, they eventually tie together in the mind of the viewer. The only mandate such as it is was, 'Any references you want to make to expand the DC world, we would enjoy,' which is one of the better notes you can get. … It's like, 'Oh, more candy? Please!' They opened up the DC toy box on that, so it was fun. It's definitely tied to the familiar DC universe. It's very much something to honor the people who love Green Lantern the way me and the other writers read it, faithfully and honoring everything that it is without any violations of the substance."

The above quotes also solidify what I have been saying in regards to DC now walking hand in hand with WB. Some websites wanted to dismiss the Latino Review article with some remarks from Paul Levitz about Routh possibly returning. I am pretty sure the guy knows what is going on with DC related films.

[KBX]

Good.

Hopefully GL is just the beginning and if they do go the route of Routh as Sups, they may just wait till JLA comes around..... but what do I know.

[Double Down]

Good.

Hopefully GL is just the beginning and if they do go the route of Routh as Sups, they may just wait till JLA comes around..... but what do I know.

As much as any of us.

[NeoRanger]

It looks like Batman and Superman are going in for a kiss.

Thank you. I think it's the angle each is facing.

[El Payaso]

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g39/doubledown44/untitled-1.jpg

BATMAN: We both know this is wrong.
SUPERMAN: I know... it's wrong....

CLARK: Bruce, I just wanted to say.
BRUCE: Say nothing. I don't know you. We're done... professionally.

[Brian Braddock]

Heh;

There are soooo many instant classic slogans that one can use from Bale's rant.

I wonder who'll get the 1st inevitable t-shirt?

[I Am The Knight]

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g39/doubledown44/untitled-1.jpg


(I did not make the poster)

Whoever wins....We lose.

[Superark]

I spent many a post explaining that The Summit changed things at WB. Some of you, because of the long waiting game we are all participating in, gave up and declared The Summit a failure. Here are some comments from one of the writers for Green Lantern pointing to the importance of The Summit.

http://movies.ign.com/articles/951/951683p1.html





The above quotes also solidify what I have been saying in regards to DC now walking hand in hand with WB. Some websites wanted to dismiss the Latino Review article with some remarks from Paul Levitz about Routh possibly returning. I am pretty sure the guy knows what is going on with DC related films.


Sounds good!

[Ita-KalEl]

Dear WB, if you read me, I'm 100% for a "Routhboot".

[Webhead2006]

hopefully things do all work out with wb/dc so we can finally get more of their characters to the screens. I would love to see flash happen, wonderwoman, and a few others that could probably make a great film out of them with the right materials.

[RachelDawes]

Thanks for the article, Showtime. I'm glad that the summit has worked out so well for GL and possibly the JLA. It's easy to forget that Superman and Batman aren't WB's only superhero properties.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

So, any news on Superman?

[Showtime]

hopefully things do all work out with wb/dc so we can finally get more of their characters to the screens. I would love to see flash happen, wonderwoman, and a few others that could probably make a great film out of them with the right materials.

There is a possibility that WB is already talking to somebody about playing the Flash, or at least throwing some names around, I have one of them.

[batman44]

There is a possibility that WB is already talking to somebody about playing the Flash, or at least throwing some names around, I have one of them.

Now you know you can't say that without one us asking "you mind telling us":oldrazz:

[Superark]

There is a possibility that WB is already talking to somebody about playing the Flash, or at least throwing some names around, I have one of them.

WB, please cast James Roday for Flash :yay:

[Showtime]

Now you know you can't say that without one us asking "you mind telling us":oldrazz:

WB, please cast James Roday for Flash :yay:

I contacted the the name I heard, and if I can get some kind of relevant answer, I'll write an article about it and tell you guys. If not, I can't say. To me it seems just like a name thrown against the wall.

[Superark]

I contacted the the name I heard, and if I can get some kind of relevant answer, I'll write an article about it and tell you guys. If not, I can't say. To me it seems just like a name thrown against the wall.


Cool, thanks!

[batman44]

Sweet.

[Showtime]

Not trying to be all mysterious, just thought it was worth mentioning that they are discussing actors at least. Also, this name I did hear my just have been thrown out in a meeting or what not, so not trying to cause a stir. I thought it was relevant to show that WB wants to make these films.

[Superark]

Not trying to be all mysterious, just thought it was worth mentioning that they are discussing actors at least. Also, this name I did hear my just have been thrown out in a meeting or what not, so not trying to cause a stir. I thought it was relevant to show that WB wants to make these films.

So, have you heard anymore rumblings about Superman???

[darthhalen]

Very excited about any Flash news. Showtime-I know WB wants a JLA movie, but do you believe they have a direct plan like Marvel does, or is it more like "lets see how GL does and go from there." I too wonder where Superman falls in this plan currently.

[FilmNerdJamie]

Go back to the Latino Review (http://www.latinoreview.com/news/exclusive-dc-comics-president-gives-superman-update-5511) article and notice how (so far) damn-near everything they reported has turned out to be accurate.

And maybe it's just me, but it looks like more and more of "the thing" for some of these actors to do is headline (potential) franchises concurrently.

You've got Bale with Batman and Terminator, Downey Jr. with Iron Man and Sherlock Holmes and now Routh with Superman and Dylan Dog.

Especially considering Routh's name was dropped a couple of times for something else awhile back that (had it gone through) would have completely re-written his career...

[solidsnake86]

That is true about the latino review article. Realistically a superman movie 6 years removed from SR is a good chunk of time but also allows Routh to grow as an actor while still being relatively young (if they still want him that is). Even though most of us wanted it much sooner, I think it would be for the best, and to see if the secret origins comics is actually something they could work with.

I think its really going to come down to GL getting off the ground and being a reasonable hit. But it seems like its getting pretty tight but something tells me they might have an actor with martin campbell close to signing.

FNJ what was Routh's name mentioned for, I can't remember/ I don't know if it was said publicy.

[Showtime]

So, have you heard anymore rumblings about Superman???

Nothing concrete that I can discuss.

Very excited about any Flash news. Showtime-I know WB wants a JLA movie, but do you believe they have a direct plan like Marvel does, or is it more like "lets see how GL does and go from there." I too wonder where Superman falls in this plan currently.

I think they have an end game to get to JLA, I think they will use the Mulroney script as a jumping off point.

Go back to the Latino Review (http://www.latinoreview.com/news/exclusive-dc-comics-president-gives-superman-update-5511) article and notice how (so far) damn-near everything they reported has turned out to be accurate.

And maybe it's just me, but it looks like more and more of "the thing" for some of these actors to do is headline (potential) franchises concurrently.

You've got Bale with Batman and Terminator, Downey Jr. with Iron Man and Sherlock Holmes and now Routh with Superman and Dylan Dog.

Especially considering Routh's name was dropped a couple of times for something else awhile back that (had it gone through) would have completely re-written his career...

Good points.

That is true about the latino review article. Realistically a superman movie 6 years removed from SR is a good chunk of time but also allows Routh to grow as an actor while still being relatively young (if they still want him that is). Even though most of us wanted it much sooner, I think it would be for the best, and to see if the secret origins comics is actually something they could work with.

I think its really going to come down to GL getting off the ground and being a reasonable hit. But it seems like its getting pretty tight but something tells me they might have an actor with martin campbell close to signing.

FNJ what was Routh's name mentioned for, I can't remember/ I don't know if it was said publicy.

I can answer that, it was something that wasn't mentioned publicly but he was in the running for a lead role in an already established franchise.

[solidsnake86]

Thanks, I didnt know if I couldnt remember or not it would be interested to hear which one it was.

[FilmNerdJamie]

Before anyone asks, I was not referring to Without Remorse. This was something that was never made public.

[Mostpowerful]

I can answer that, it was something that wasn't mentioned publicly but he was in the running for a lead role in an already established franchise.

Come on, Showtime, PLEASE tell us more!

[Showtime]

Come on, Showtime, PLEASE tell us more!

Sorry. :csad:

“Last week Brandon Routh has come around the offices in New York and Los Angeles as of late to talk about Superman and what we want to do."

The truth of the matter is that the way Mr. Levitz made it seem is that they love Brandon as Clark Kent and that he’s just a great guy, which I agree.

“Everyone is waiting for Nolan to sign on for another Batman, once that happens, the release date for Superman and all other future projects will follow.”

Paul continued that Green Lantern was actually moving faster than Supermax, which to me makes sense because the Green Lantern script was badass!!

As of now just a few moments ago another inside source confirmed that yes they are waiting for Chris Nolan to sign the deal with the next Batman, and that they want him to commit to a July 2011 release. If that happens then the following superhero films will be released.

Green Lantern Summer 2010
Batman 3 Summer 2011
New Superman reboot Summer 2012

Also in the mix is THE FLASH.

Here are all the points from the Latino article. Interesting.

[FilmNerdJamie]

Here are all the points from the Latino article. Interesting.

Thanks. I would have posted those myself, but....I'm too damn lazy.

[Showtime]

You do kind of suck sometimes...

:hehe:

[Webhead2006]

will be great if flash is moving along more havent heard anything on it in awhile, will be great to see flash make it out of developmental hell its been in for a few yrs.

[Nightwing1977]

Whoever wins....We lose.

This isn't Aliens vs. Predator, buddy boy. :D

http://www.geocities.com/theactionkingsk/AlienVsPredator-newteaserposter.jpg

[RachelDawes]

Aw jeez I don't want to wait until 2012 for a new Superman movie. :csad:

[FilmNerdJamie]

Not necessarily.

[Mostpowerful]

Aw jeez I don't want to wait until 2012 for a new Superman movie. :csad:

Agreed. :waa:

[Webhead2006]

yea it sucks waiting and waiting for a film to happen and more so with films we know been in developmental problems for yrs like a ww/flash and the ups and downs with supes. I do hope what ever the next film turns out to be it will be a film i will enjoy and like, after SR disapointed me alot.

[FaT_tONle]

2011 is too packed... unless they do a Holiday release. They are better off holding for the following summer if that's the case.

[Double Down]

2011 is too packed... unless they do a Holiday release. They are better off holding for the following summer if that's the case.

Whatever year it comes out, I bet it will be released later in the year.

[Superark]

Nothing concrete that I can discuss.

That's cool. But boy do I wish I could pick your brain right now and get all that info

Go back to the Latino Review (http://www.latinoreview.com/news/exclusive-dc-comics-president-gives-superman-update-5511) article and notice how (so far) damn-near everything they reported has turned out to be accurate.

And maybe it's just me, but it looks like more and more of "the thing" for some of these actors to do is headline (potential) franchises concurrently.

You've got Bale with Batman and Terminator, Downey Jr. with Iron Man and Sherlock Holmes and now Routh with Superman and Dylan Dog.

Especially considering Routh's name was dropped a couple of times for something else awhile back that (had it gone through) would have completely re-written his career...

That's very interesting Jamie. I'd kill to know what that franchise was and if it was a good or bad thing that he wasn't chosen for it.

I'm going to do a little butt kissing here, but you and Showtime are awesome! You two always give us great little bits of info, even when you cannot fully discuss details. Y'all really do a great job and are part of the reason why the Superman forum is such a good place.

[X Knight]

so...wait....the latest word is that they're aiming for a REBOOT in 2012, but with Routh still as Superman?

as long as the next Superman has nothing to do with SR, I really couldn't care less if Routh comes back as Supes.

the upside to that is.....by then....maybe Routh will have an older, more "mature" look by then.....

[Mostpowerful]

so...wait....the latest word is that they're aiming for a REBOOT in 2012, but with Routh still as Superman?

as long as the next Superman has nothing to do with SR, I really couldn't care less if Routh comes back as Supes.

the upside to that is.....by then....maybe Routh will have an older, more "mature" look by then.....

He already has it. You haven't seen his latest pictures, have you? You should check his thread. :cwink:

[Webhead2006]

will be nice if the next superman film will be on the big screen sooner rather then later. I know we all dont want to see it go through the same long wait like there was from superman 4 and SR. Though its all wb's call on when the heck it will be happening.

[Frodo]

I think we can all agree that whatever happens they need to bring something new to the table . It can't be a retread of the Donner films like SR or a redo of SV. I think it will mean asking new questions , and opening up things more.

They really shouldn't have Lex as the villian again but more of a character in the background at least for the first two. Most of all I think they need to make these characters real. They need to make them flesh and blood people with thoughts, motivations, feelings and idea's.

I want Clark to be a real as Bruce in the Nolan films or Peter in the Spiderman films. Now, I don't mean angst like they have but the sense that Clark has more depth to him then just being a boy scout.

What does Clark believe? Is he an idealist ? How would someone who has all the abilities be? I'd want it to get beyond "He's just a good person" or "Because it's the right thing to do" explanations of the past. I mean , what drives him to basically give himself to humanity ?

What's Superman's personality?

I'd want them to flesh those kind of things out more and get beyond the cardboard cut out versions of these characters. I think that's what it's gonna take to keep the audience interested in a story that's so well know to the public. Of course their has to been great action and not a snooze like SR , but I think they need to continue to grow the characters .

[FaT_tONle]

Is Routh seriously confirmed? I am just not buying that. They still have a two year window to change the lead actor if they are looking at 2012.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Personally, I'm still hoping that Routh isn't coming back.

[Double Down]

Personally, I would be very disappointed if he did not return.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

^I think that he has a better chance of returning than not right now. So I should be more worried than yourself.

[Mostpowerful]

Personally, I would be very disappointed if he did not return.

Same here. And with emphasis on VERY.

[I Am The Knight]

Same here. And with emphasis on VERY.

:hehe:

I think he will return. It will be a shame if he doesn't, but you know how these things are.

[RachelDawes]

I think we can all agree that whatever happens they need to bring something new to the table . It can't be a retread of the Donner films like SR or a redo of SV. I think it will mean asking new questions , and opening up things more.

They really shouldn't have Lex as the villian again but more of a character in the background at least for the first two. Most of all I think they need to make these characters real. They need to make them flesh and blood people with thoughts, motivations, feelings and idea's.

I want Clark to be a real as Bruce in the Nolan films or Peter in the Spiderman films. Now, I don't mean angst like they have but the sense that Clark has more depth to him then just being a boy scout.

What does Clark believe? Is he an idealist ? How would someone who has all the abilities be? I'd want it to get beyond "He's just a good person" or "Because it's the right thing to do" explanations of the past. I mean , what drives him to basically give himself to humanity ?

What's Superman's personality?

I'd want them to flesh those kind of things out more and get beyond the cardboard cut out versions of these characters. I think that's what it's gonna take to keep the audience interested in a story that's so well know to the public. Of course their has to been great action and not a snooze like SR , but I think they need to continue to grow the characters .

I feel the same way. A while back I said I wanted the next SUpes movie to be more psychological and I didn't explain myself real well but this is what I meant. At least WB has BB to act as a template for how to approach the characters.

[Mostpowerful]

:hehe:

I think he will return. It will be a shame if he doesn't, but you know how these things are.

If WB chooses someone else...... I'm sorry for that poor soul; the Welling and Routh fans will eat him alive....

[Hunter Rider]

If WB chooses someone else...... I'm sorry for that poor soul; the Welling and Routh fans will eat him alive....

Yeah, sadly a lot of Routh and Welling fans are very immature and care more about their hunky boy toys than Superman, but I am sure plenty of them, along with the fans in general will outweigh them.

[GlasgowBat]

how great would it be to have B3 in summer 2011, and then superman in winter 2011?

the world's finest, ruling the box office for the year.

[Mostpowerful]

Yeah, sadly a lot of Routh and Welling fans are very immature and care more about their hunky boy toys than Superman, but I am sure plenty of them, along with the fans in general will outweigh them.

Hunky boy toys? So you think they are hunky? :funny: Funny! lmao!

[FaT_tONle]

Hunky boy toys? So you think they are hunky? :funny: Funny! lmao!

:lmao:

[Nightwing1977]

Hunky boy toys? So you think they are hunky? :funny: Funny! lmao!

Ouch. :oldrazz:

[Webhead2006]

I think we can all agree that whatever happens they need to bring something new to the table . It can't be a retread of the Donner films like SR or a redo of SV. I think it will mean asking new questions , and opening up things more.

They really shouldn't have Lex as the villian again but more of a character in the background at least for the first two. Most of all I think they need to make these characters real. They need to make them flesh and blood people with thoughts, motivations, feelings and idea's.

I want Clark to be a real as Bruce in the Nolan films or Peter in the Spiderman films. Now, I don't mean angst like they have but the sense that Clark has more depth to him then just being a boy scout.

What does Clark believe? Is he an idealist ? How would someone who has all the abilities be? I'd want it to get beyond "He's just a good person" or "Because it's the right thing to do" explanations of the past. I mean , what drives him to basically give himself to humanity ?

What's Superman's personality?

I'd want them to flesh those kind of things out more and get beyond the cardboard cut out versions of these characters. I think that's what it's gonna take to keep the audience interested in a story that's so well know to the public. Of course their has to been great action and not a snooze like SR , but I think they need to continue to grow the characters .
Thats how i feel too man. I hope i can enjoy what ever the next film will be.

[Sawyer]

Aw jeez I don't want to wait until 2012 for a new Superman movie. :csad:

Well, quite frankly, there is no real alternative at this point other than late 2011, but they would really need to get their asses in gear.

[Hunter Rider]

Hunky boy toys? So you think they are hunky? :funny: Funny! lmao!

Well that is what both are most famous for isn't it ? it's certainly not acting. ;)

[Webhead2006]

will be nice if they can get it out in 2011 but with nothing totally solid on direction yet right its probably going to be awhile right.

[mego joe]

Personally, I'm still hoping that Routh isn't coming back.

Add me to that list.

[MAN O STEEL]

Let's just put Welling & Routh in the same room & let em battle it out for supremecy :oldrazz::woot:


http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/9892/routhvwellingxx5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
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Steve

[Nightwing1977]

Is that really Welling on the right? Look more like Routh himself with Welling's hair & clothes. Not to mention Welling's nose too. :hehe: :hehe:

[MAN O STEEL]

Is that really Welling on the right? Look more like Routh himself with Welling's hair & clothes. Not to mention Welling's nose too. :hehe: :hehe:


Yeah I just took Routh's image & made it look more like Welling. I'm pretty clever huh? :oldrazz:





Steve

[Brian Braddock]

Let's just put Welling & Routh in the same room & let em battle it out for supremecy :oldrazz::woot:


http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/9892/routhvwellingxx5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
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Steve

:woot:

[Webhead2006]

how about you try a manip with both if you can?

[FilmNerdJamie]

how great would it be to have B3 in summer 2011, and then superman in winter 2011?

Don't think that hasn't crossed people's minds...

[solidsnake86]

The only reason I don't care if superman comes out in 2012 is because it gives enough time for the technology to really create something great. It also gives time for the superman secret origin story to come out.

[I Am The Knight]

The only reason I don't care if superman comes out in 2012 is because it gives enough time for the technology to really create something great. It also gives time for the superman secret origin story to come out.

How long is Johns going to take on that? It should be out by 2010 tops, no?

[solidsnake86]

I was under the impression that its coming out this year and its 6 issues so it should be done by possibly even this year or early next year if i'm not mistaken. I'm curious to see what the reception will be.

[RachelDawes]

Well, quite frankly, there is no real alternative at this point other than late 2011, but they would really need to get their asses in gear.

But if the next movie were to be released in 2011 then they'd have to get started working on it soon and we'd still have a lot to talk about: the director, the script, the cast, etc. As it is we're probably looking at another year of no news. :csad:

[RachelDawes]

The only reason I don't care if superman comes out in 2012 is because it gives enough time for the technology to really create something great. It also gives time for the superman secret origin story to come out.

What secret origin story?