Reintroducing Superman: An Open Discussion

[Double Down]

What secret origin story?

In the comic books.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superman:_Secret_Origin

[RachelDawes]

In the comic books.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superman:_Secret_Origin

This sounds like what some people have been saying they want to see in an origin reboot. So I take it then that WB is possibly going to incorporate ideas from this comic for the next movie?

[Double Down]

This sounds like what some people have been saying they want to see in an origin reboot. So I take it then that WB is possibly going to incorporate ideas from this comic for the next movie?

It's possible. No one has said anything, but people have guessed that this might be so.

[I Am The Knight]

I was under the impression that its coming out this year and its 6 issues so it should be done by possibly even this year or early next year if i'm not mistaken. I'm curious to see what the reception will be.

I'm not sure, but depending on the reception, DC shouldn't be calling it the "definitive" version of the origin, they must be pretty confident. Although this is the comics industry, so whatever. They'll retcon somewhere down the line if they have to, although I'm expecting it to be pretty good.

[Nightwing1977]

Yeah I just took Routh's image & made it look more like Welling. I'm pretty clever huh? :oldrazz:





Steve

Uhhh.....no. ;) :D

[Double Down]

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[Webhead2006]

yea maybe if this goes well in the comics and fans like it they might want to use it for elements with new movie.

[solidsnake86]

I'm not sure, but depending on the reception, DC shouldn't be calling it the "definitive" version of the origin, they must be pretty confident. Although this is the comics industry, so whatever. They'll retcon somewhere down the line if they have to, although I'm expecting it to be pretty good.

That's why I want to see how its received because I'm sure it will upset some. The thing with superman is that he doesnt really have his "batman year one" that fans can get behind. If this story manages to stay on time and it is a critical and fan hit I can see them basing elements of a reboot on it. What Johns does well is incorporate elements from different periods in comics so if he can find a middle ground and take away the soul vision I don't see a problem. It just has to be fresh enough that it doesn't bore people as a been there done that.

[BATZARRO WWD]

I'm actually pretty amazed Warner listed Superman as one of the franchises they wanted to continually continue doing (http://www.**************.com/fansites/LetsCutTheBS/news/?a=6187). Actions, Warner, they speak louder than words! And I ain't seen any action on THAT front!

[Deaths Head II]

I don't know how many people saw this but I found it to be pretty funny.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a283/Deaths_Head_II/1234143208349.jpg?t=1234155427

[Deaths Head II]

EDIT: Argh, double post.

[Superark]

McG talks about taking another shot at Superman and rebooting the franchise...

http://io9.com/5148905/mcgs-20000-leagues-under-the-sea-trumps-his-superman-movie


Are you willing to take another shot at Superman now that they are rebooting it again?
I talk to JJ [Abrams] a lot about that. We went through a lot on that whole thing, I don't know. I talk to the DC guys, [President Paul] Levitz is here and I just saw Greg. Food for thought. I think it's a great character, I would want to make the character infinitely more dark and complicated, and get away from the big Blue Boy Scout a little bit and get into the alien among us. And how that could be lonely and interesting. It's not that I would make it depressing, I'd would just make it a little tougher... Which I suspect people would respond to. We have the glorious Batman Begins and The Dark Knight, which to me is an excellent example. I like the Schumacher pictures and everything Burton did but it needed to be reinvented to some degree and I think we're all better for it. We're all happy it went that way at least. I haven't thought about it [editor's note...clearly].
The next picture I'm likely to make is 20,000 Leagues Under The Sea (http://io9.com/tag/20%2c000-leagues-under-the-sea/). Which is challenging, because it's got the classic literature roots and it's the film that Walt Disney sort of bet the farm on when he was only known for animation when he got involved in live action.

Lord, WB please don't let that man anywhere near the Superman franchise!!!! McG has no handle on the character and does not get it.

[GreenKToo]

Hmmm, darker? tougher? Who would have thunk it.

[FilmNerdJamie]

By his own admission, he's knee-deep into 20,000 Leagues and (possibly) a Terminator: Salvation sequel.

I wouldn't worry about this one, folks...

[X-Maniac]

I'm not worried, I'd be interesting in seeing what he could come up with.


EDIT: What I am somewhat more worried about is him wanting to cast Will Smith as Captain Nemo, who is from India. If you are going to do an origin story on Nemo, then India is going to come into it, as that is the fictional character's place of origin.

[FilmNerdJamie]

Again, it'll be a filmmaker who will take orders from the studio. They're not to write another blank-check to a "big-name" director.

As for 20,000 Leagues, I honestly didn't think that was going to happen. Looks like I was wrong! :o

[Showtime]

He does have a good working relationship with WB, but I don't think they are going back to the well with somebody like him.

[Angeloz]

I'm not worried, I'd be interesting in seeing what he could come up with.


EDIT: What I am somewhat more worried about is him wanting to cast Will Smith as Captain Nemo, who is from India. If you are going to do an origin story on Nemo, then India is going to come into it, as that is the fictional character's place of origin.

They might have hired Columbus as a consultant 'cos he thought he found India didn't he. Or that was the supposed aim. I'm not sure as I'm not American and might have watched the wrong programmes on this. ;)

Also it won't be the first time they change origins of a character or army or whatever for an American actor. So never will be a shock. Not that I know much about Nemo. Except the joke about his name 'cos I've seen "Bleak House".

Angeloz

[RachelDawes]

I'm glad McG understands that darker means tougher, not depressing, but he lost me when he said that he liked the Schumaker films. I hope he was just being polite. I'm not sure he'd be the best director, but I'm at the point where I'm so desperate for a Superman movie that I'll take anyone.

[Mulanzo]

I'm glad McG understands that darker means tougher, not depressing, but he lost me when he said that he liked the Schumaker films. I hope he was just being polite. I'm not sure he'd be the best director, but I'm at the point where I'm so desperate for a Superman movie that I'll take anyone.

eeeee.... careful what you wish for!

You may get someone like Uwe Boll....

[Ultimate_Superman]

I'm glad McG understands that darker means tougher, not depressing, but he lost me when he said that he liked the Schumaker films. I hope he was just being polite. I'm not sure he'd be the best director, but I'm at the point where I'm so desperate for a Superman movie that I'll take anyone.To be honest though Schumaker did do a good job with Batman Forever not great but still good. Well let change that I think Batman forever had a great story but was done poorly on film mainly Two-Face and the neon Gotham City. Other then that his moments with Robin were good as well as the Riddler and Batman was done alright IMO that it allowed him to mix well with kids and adults. What really hurt Forever IMO was three things! Two-Face, neon Gotham and rubber nipples other then that it was a good movie what really hurt it also IMO is Batman and Robin.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I do think that BF gets unfairly lumped in with B&R.

[Double Down]

Same here.

[RachelDawes]

eeeee.... careful what you wish for!

You may get someone like Uwe Boll....

That would be worse than never getting another Superman film ever! :funny:

[I Am The Knight]

No thanks, McG. We already had undertones of that. Keep control of your set first, and then you come back to me :oldrazz:

[I SEE SPIDEY]

No thanks, McG. We already had undertones of that. Keep control of your set first, and then you come back to me :oldrazz:HA!

Unlike seemingly most on Hype, I'm still not convinced that MCG will make the Terminator movie to end all Terminator movies. I think that it could be a decent little action flick (like the 3rd movie) but I don't see it rocking my world T2 style.

I will also say no thanks and again I actually liked the first Charlies Angels, so I'm not a McG hater.

[batman44]

I would be okay with McG actually, but that isn't likely to happen.

[dark_b]

easie there MCG. until T4 is realesed and if it is not a mega hit you are still not a big director.

[Showtime]

I do think that BF gets unfairly lumped in with B&R.

Same here.

Who gets lumped in with what now?

[Double Down]

Batman Forever
Batman and Robin

[Showtime]

I love Batman Forever.

You kids and your slang.

[Double Down]

Batman Forever has a few flaws, sure, but it is a lot of fun.
Batman and Robin, however, is grueling to sit through.

[Showtime]

....to put it mildly.

[Double Down]

Every time I watch Superman, I inevitably put on II, III and IV. And they all have their ups and downs, but I never mind watching them.
Same goes for the first four Batman movies, but whenever I get to Batman and Robin, I just end up doing other things, like playing with my iPhone or turning off the TV.

[Showtime]

I can't stomach it.

[SuperDaniel]

All I know is that I am very excited for the Green Lantern movie. I just read the script and thought it was awesome. It is a lot of fun and there are a lot of Superman moments in it like flying with the loved one, space shots, etc.

[solidsnake86]

I'm excited for GL especially with campbell who seems to rely a lot less on CG which gives me hope that he wont make a lot of alien characters out of CG.

[Nightwing1977]

I do think that BF gets unfairly lumped in with B&R.

Same here. While B&R is a big pile of flaming turd, BF isn't too bad. The film could've been a little bit better if they keep some of the scene that was dark, making Two-Face more closer to the comics along with better makeup, & of course no neon lights. I know YouTube has some of the clips that were cut, but the quality is kinda poor. :(

[FilmNerdJamie]

People have quiet the revisionist history with Batman Forever.

When it opened back in summer '95, it was proclaimed as a "return to form" for the franchise after Batman Returns freaked the Hell out of everyone. People couldn't get enough of it and most thought Kilmer was an acceptable successor to Keaton.

It was only crapped on after Batman & Robin "hit!"

[DavidTyler]

Jamie - I really wasn't one of those who thought BF was a good interpretation of Batman. I felt my stomach wretch when he said "Chicks dig the car."

It may have been a fun film for some but not for the guy in the audience who was desperate to see the character handled seriously - handled like ...oh, I don't know ... James Bond!

BTW - I used to tell my non-batman friends that Batman is no less a silly character than James Bond and if they could do a straight movie with Bond then they could do one with Batman. Thank whoever that Nolan thought the way I did.

[hockeyboy89]

I guess I'm in the minority, I loved Keaton and he'll always be Bruce/Batman to me. As for B&R..............I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.

[NeoRanger]

I enjoyed Batman Forever for what it was. WB wanted to sell toys, after the feedback of BR blew up in their face and Schumacher delivered as best as possible, by adapting Adam West's Batman in the '90s. Plus, Forever is actually a movie about, you know, Batman.

I wouldn't trade it over Nolan's Batman, of course, but it was fun, it was explosive, it had some -albeit basic- characterization, Kilmer was actually pretty decent in the role and it had Nicole Kidman 15 years ago.

[RachelDawes]

Same here. While B&R is a big pile of flaming turd, BF isn't too bad. The film could've been a little bit better if they keep some of the scene that was dark, making Two-Face more closer to the comics along with better makeup, & of course no neon lights. I know YouTube has some of the clips that were cut, but the quality is kinda poor. :(

I remember enjoying BF as a kid, but I haven't seen it in years. I have a feeling I wouldn't care for it after seeing Nolan's version, though. Well, maybe I'll give it a shot sometime. :woot:

[Double Down]

I enjoyed Batman Forever for what it was. WB wanted to sell toys, after the feedback of BR blew up in their face and Schumacher delivered as best as possible, by adapting Adam West's Batman in the '90s. Plus, Forever is actually a movie about, you know, Batman.

I wouldn't trade it over Nolan's Batman, of course, but it was fun, it was explosive, it had some -albeit basic- characterization, Kilmer was actually pretty decent in the role and it had Nicole Kidman 15 years ago.

Kidman was so hot in that movie.

[Superark]

I guess I'm in the minority, I loved Keaton and he'll always be Bruce/Batman to me. As for B&R..............I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.

I share that feeling. Keaton IMO is the best Batman and will always be my favorite.

[Superark]

People have quiet the revisionist history with Batman Forever.

When it opened back in summer '95, it was proclaimed as a "return to form" for the franchise after Batman Returns freaked the Hell out of everyone. People couldn't get enough of it and most thought Kilmer was an acceptable successor to Keaton.

It was only crapped on after Batman & Robin "hit!"

I hated BF as a kid, since I loved Burton's Batman movies. However I enjoyed BF more as I got older. The film still has a ton, a TON of flaws, but it has its moments and Kilmer was a good Bruce Wayne.

Actually probaby my favorite Batman image comes from Batman Forever. That moment when Kilmer's Batman emerges from the flames and there's the shot of him standing in front of the fire. That was such an awesome shot!

[Webhead2006]

yea out of the first 4 bats film i totally loved the burton films i liked he took the character back to the dark gothic roots and then the next guy just has to screw it up and bring in the lighthearted silly stuff we dont need to see with batman. Nolan so far i have loved his series and only would change a few things here and there.

[Deaths Head II]

People have quiet the revisionist history with Batman Forever.

When it opened back in summer '95, it was proclaimed as a "return to form" for the franchise after Batman Returns freaked the Hell out of everyone. People couldn't get enough of it and most thought Kilmer was an acceptable successor to Keaton.

It was only crapped on after Batman & Robin "hit!"

I don't think its revisionist history. I think it's the fact that BF didn't age well. I think the fact I liked that film as a kid is the only reason I don't dismiss it entirely.

[X-Maniac]

Wow, a lot of Batman talk in here. Are you lot all part of WB's marketing department trying to get us all to buy the new Blu-ray releases of the earlier films?

(***Since I'm mentioning it, I got Batman 89 and Batman Returns on Blu-ray and have no intention of getting BF or B&R. Jim Carrey was a disgrace, as were Tommy Lee Jones, Arnold Schwarznegger and Uma Thurman. No wonder Chris O'Donnell had to go into hiding for several years! Interesting comic book and TV nod: Poison Ivy's assistant in S.America is Professor Jason Woodrue, taken from the name of the character who becomes Plant Man aka Floronic Man in the comic books...and the TV interest is that he was played by John Glover who becomes Lionel Luthor in this forum's favourite show, Smallville!)

Jason Woodrue aka John Glover....

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/9931/jasonwoodruenc4.jpg

[Angeloz]

Wow, a lot of Batman talk in here. Are you lot all part of WB's marketing department trying to get us all to buy the new Blu-ray releases of the earlier films?

(***Since I'm mentioning it, I got Batman 89 and Batman Returns on Blu-ray and have no intention of getting BF or B&R. Jim Carrey was a disgrace, as were Tommy Lee Jones, Arnold Schwarznegger and Uma Thurman. No wonder Chris O'Donnell had to go into hiding for several years! Interesting comic book and TV nod: Poison Ivy's assistant in S.America is Professor Jason Woodrue, taken from the name of the character who becomes Plant Man aka Floronic Man in the comic books...and the TV interest is that he was played by John Glover who becomes Lionel Luthor in this forum's favourite show, Smallville!)

Jason Woodrue aka John Glover....

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/9931/jasonwoodruenc4.jpg

Thanks for the picture. I think "Batman Forever" is an enjoyable film now as well as the past. I wasn't a kid either (just I believe). Although I think you're in the wrong forum to make that statement about "Smallville". A lot of Superman fans hate that show. I'm not one of them but I think of it as entertainment and not a serious take on someone that will become Superman. I think it can be good at times. It just had no concept of a secret identity from the outset. Oh well.

Angeloz

[Ultimate_Superman]

Thanks for the picture. I think "Batman Forever" is an enjoyable film now as well as the past. I wasn't a kid either (just I believe). Although I think you're in the wrong forum to make that statement about "Smallville". A lot of Superman fans hate that show. I'm not one of them but I think of it as entertainment and not a serious take on someone that will become Superman. I think it can be good at times. It just had no concept of a secret identity from the outset. Oh well.

AngelozAgreed with the Smallville part but many things went wrong with that show to rub Superman fans the wrong way not just one thing. After a while Superman fans just started to accept Smallville for what it is and thats why you don't hear the complaining anymore. Not because they like the show but because they have just learned to live with the fact that Smallville is Smallville and won't change.

[FilmNerdJamie]

X-Maniac was making a joke? :huh:

[X-Maniac]

X-Maniac was making a joke? :huh:

...is the right answer!

Obviously, my irony went over some people's heads, especially without using a giveaway emoticon!

[FilmNerdJamie]

It was obvious you were joking...

[Ultimate_Superman]

Now Jamie judging from your Flash rumor I am wondering is the WB casting their lead actors now and just attaching directors later?


Because that seems to be the case now with Superman and The Flash.

[Superark]

Now Jamie judging from your Flash rumor I am wondering is the WB casting their lead actors now and just attaching directors later?


Because that seems to be the case now with Superman and The Flash.

That's a very good question!

Supposedly they have tapped Routh for Superman, Porter for Flash, and are rumored to have someone for GL.

[Mostpowerful]

I remember enjoying BF as a kid, but I haven't seen it in years. I have a feeling I wouldn't care for it after seeing Nolan's version, though. Well, maybe I'll give it a shot sometime. :woot:

I haven't even seen BF or BR (have seen a few scenes on tv only). Yup, I'm not really a Batman fan. The only Batman movie I've seen in a theater is TDK. I like the character ok, but he just doesn't speak to me. I agree with others that B&R is an abomination, lol.

[Sam]

Jeff Bewkes, Warner CEO, talks about Superman, Batman franchises, saying they have plans for "multiple Superman movies":

http://blogs.coventrytelegraph.net/thegeekfiles/2009/02/multiple-films-for-batman-supe.html

And a side note, McG talking about his version of Superman:

http://blogs.coventrytelegraph.net/thegeekfiles/2009/02/id-make-superman-tougher-says.html

[X-Maniac]

Jeff Bewkes, Warner CEO, talks about Superman, Batman franchises, saying they have plans for "multiple Superman movies":

http://blogs.coventrytelegraph.net/thegeekfiles/2009/02/multiple-films-for-batman-supe.html

And a side note, McG talking about his version of Superman:

http://blogs.coventrytelegraph.net/thegeekfiles/2009/02/id-make-superman-tougher-says.html

A lot of people here will, no doubt, be aware of those reports already but, nonetheless, what was said by Bewkes and McG was interesting stuff that has stirred interest in the character once more.

[Showtime]

Jeff Bewkes, Warner CEO, talks about Superman, Batman franchises, saying they have plans for "multiple Superman movies":

http://blogs.coventrytelegraph.net/thegeekfiles/2009/02/multiple-films-for-batman-supe.html

And a side note, McG talking about his version of Superman:

http://blogs.coventrytelegraph.net/thegeekfiles/2009/02/id-make-superman-tougher-says.html

We've been discussing this for a good while. :yay:

[dark_b]

of course they plan on doing superman movies. when did in the last 2 years did WB said that they will not make a movie?

come on guys.

[RachelDawes]

That's a very good question!

Supposedly they have tapped Routh for Superman, Porter for Flash, and are rumored to have someone for GL.

It's good to hear that something's being done to bring these films to life. How sure of this are you?

of course they plan on doing superman movies. when did in the last 2 years did WB said that they will not make a movie?

come on guys.

A lot of people here probably burned after waiting years just to get SR. Couple that with a lack of news about the next movie and you get a lot of pessimism.

[GreenKToo]

I have no doubt another will happen. The only question is, when.

[Superark]

It's good to hear that something's being done to bring these films to life. How sure of this are you?

How sure am I of what? :huh:

[Sam]

We've been discussing this for a good while. :yay:

hehe. Sorry, i didnt see it.

After post it, i saw u guys talking something about JJ Abrams, etc. But nothing about Warner CEO talking about multiple movies for Superman franchise.

:)

[Showtime]

Perfectly fine Sam. Anytime you see something you are better off posting if than not. Sometimes we have it already and sometimes we don't.

[Excel]

Heres the way I see W.B. hoping their schedule goes:

July 2010: Green Lantern
Nov. 2010: Harry Potter 7
Summer 11: May: Harry Potter 8
July: Batman 3
Summer 2012: Superman
Summer 2013: Green Lantern 2
Summer 2014: Batman 3

I think we will Superman in 2012. That seems like a very likely bet. 2009 will probably be an uneventful year for us Supes fans because W.B. will be quietly figuring out what they are going to do. I would say we find out who the director will be late 2009, or very early 2010.

[Sam]

Heres the way I see W.B. hoping their schedule goes:

July 2010: Green Lantern
Nov. 2010: Harry Potter 7
Summer 11: May: Harry Potter 8
July: Batman 3
Summer 2012: Superman
Summer 2013: Green Lantern 2
Summer 2014: Batman 3

I think we will Superman in 2012. That seems like a very likely bet. 2009 will probably be an uneventful year for us Supes fans because W.B. will be quietly figuring out what they are going to do. I would say we find out who the director will be late 2009, or very early 2010.


No way WB will wait until 2014 for a new Batman movie! They going to release Batman 3 around 2011.

EDIT: hum.. u said "Batman 3" twice... i believe u mean Batman 4 in 2014 :)

[FaT_tONle]

Think that was a typo having BB3 twice... I don't know about a GL sequel in 2013. I think if GL is successful but not overwhelmingly successful... I'd expect Flash/WW in 2013. JLA in 2014. I am still hoping they do a WF film as the fourth Batman film/third Superman film before JLA but that's just me. They shouldn't oversaturate like Marvel though... one hero a summer is more than enough. I also like their approach of let's do the solos first before we start thinking JLA. Smart on WB's part.

[Man of Tomorrow]

Wasnt there some news release saying WB wants the Terminator 5 film in Summer of 2011.

That would likely mean the delay of Batman till 2012.

[Webhead2006]

edit

[Webhead2006]

well they could easily have both in the same yr just at different times of the summer/spring seasons. Unless they dont want to have two bale films out near the same time periods.

[FaT_tONle]

No way Terminator gets green lit over Batman 3. How much time does Nolan need off I mean my God... every knows he'll be doing another one unless there is a fallout with WB. Terminator won't be ready for 2011 IMO. I can't say it won't but still. Definitely won't take precedence over BB3 if there is still a window to get it out there.

[FaT_tONle]

Double

[Excel]

Wasnt there some news release saying WB wants the Terminator 5 film in Summer of 2011.

That would likely mean the delay of Batman till 2012.

Theyll go Batman over terminator.

[JackMercy]

Folks, you should remember that the "new" potential Terminator franchise is essentially produced and funded through Halcyon, independent production entities, and private investment, while Warner Bros. is, officially, only "distributing" domestically. In comparison, Warner's has a much greater involvement in the Batman franchise, even though they are partnered with Legendary Pictures there as well...

So while Warner's obviously wouldn't want two of its distributed tentpoles to directly compete with one another, due to the studio's significantly lower investment burden on Terminator, there is indeed some flexibility in terms of the timing of their release...and even the consideration of pairing them up in one summer...

...And to keep this tangentially on-topic, there's no reason why Superman couldn't fly again in a summer (or winter) alongside another Batman...or a Terminator... (though perhaps not both...)

Confused yet...?

:word:

[RachelDawes]

How sure am I of what? :huh:

That Routh has been tapped for Superman.

[Showtime]

Folks, you should remember that the "new" potential Terminator franchise is essentially produced and funded through Halcyon, independent production entities, and private investment, while Warner Bros. is, officially, only "distributing" domestically. In comparison, Warner's has a much greater involvement in the Batman franchise, even though they are partnered with Legendary Pictures there as well...

So while Warner's obviously wouldn't want two of its distributed tentpoles to directly compete with one another, due to the studio's significantly lower investment burden on Terminator, there is indeed some flexibility in terms of the timing of their release...and even the consideration of pairing them up in one summer...

...And to keep this tangentially on-topic, there's no reason why Superman couldn't fly again in a summer (or winter) alongside another Batman...or a Terminator... (though perhaps not both...)

Confused yet...?

:word:

Let me help them focus...

...And to keep this tangentially on-topic, there's no reason why Superman couldn't fly again in a summer (or winter) alongside another Batman...or a Terminator...

[Superark]

That Routh has been tapped for Superman.

I'm not. That's why I used the word "supposedly"

It has been confirmed that WB still wants Routh at this point, but things could change. Nothing is set in stone.

[Webhead2006]

Yea with wb things can change daily like the whole jl stuff one day this the next day something else.

[Excel]

JL was never gonna happen. That was obvious.

[souvlaki]

Heres the way I see W.B. hoping their schedule goes:

July 2010: Green Lantern
Nov. 2010: Harry Potter 7
Summer 11: May: Harry Potter 8
July: Batman 3
Summer 2012: Superman
Summer 2013: Green Lantern 2
Summer 2014: Batman 3

I think we will Superman in 2012. That seems like a very likely bet. 2009 will probably be an uneventful year for us Supes fans because W.B. will be quietly figuring out what they are going to do. I would say we find out who the director will be late 2009, or very early 2010.

So WB is releasing the third Batman film twice, Excel?

[dark_b]

Let me help them focus...superman and batman happening in the same year? i dont know if WB would do this.

[GreenKToo]

I dont see why they (the public) wouldnt see both in the same summer/yr. Usually, if your a fan of one, your pretty much a fan of the other. The same folks would see both films imo.
(That is, *IF* the W.B. gets the right sort of director and cast for the reboot)

[dark_b]

the question would they?

[GreenKToo]

Would W.B. do all that? thats the million dollar question now isnt it.

[Double Down]

I could see Batman in the summer and Superman in the winter. It's hard to imagine both coming out in the same summer, though, from a marketing standpoint.

[Excel]

So WB is releasing the third Batman film twice, Excel?

2nd one is supposed to be Batman 4 :o

[Sam]

I could see Batman in the summer and Superman in the winter. It's hard to imagine both coming out in the same summer, though, from a marketing standpoint.

I think Warner should release Superman in winter season. Thats because winter looks like a better season for a character that is about hope. And winter everybody is feeling this... its end of the year, xmas, etc... ppl are just on the mood of what Superman is about.

My 2 cents.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I don't care when they release it as long as it's good. I doubt that a winter release will happen though.

[Showtime]

Well now that Nolan is directing something else first, the plot thickens.

[FilmNerdJamie]

Well now that Nolan is directing something else first, the plot thickens.

That could certainly explain why WB went ahead with those Summer 2011 plans for Terminator 5...

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Are you surprised that he is Show? Because I kinda figured that he would.

[Chewy]

Wachowskis?

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/40084

I can't say that I'm a fan of their post Matrix work....

[I SEE SPIDEY]

After Speed Racer? I doubt it.

Then again Bay got Transformers after The Island.

[TheComicbookKid]

I'm kind of surprised the WB would trust the Wachowski's after Speed Racer lost all that money. Figured they'd at least have to make a solid moneymaker before giving them another big budget.

[Showtime]

Looks like WB is coming right back to the beginning if they are offering it to the W Bros.

[terry78]

Speed Racer wasn't a bad movie, it just was a little ahead of its time, to be honest. WB and the W's are pretty tight, so I doubt they blame them for that. Besides, the last fight in Matrix Revo WAS a Superman vs. fight, so I would bring them on board.

[batman44]

Interesting.

[BenReilly]

I'd be open to a Wachowski's Superman film. The brothers are huge comic book fans and you know the action would be great.

Also interesting news about Singer possibly returning to direct the Logan's Run remake. I'd love to see that. The script Chris McQuarrie wrote a couple of years ago was supposedly really good.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I'm not talking about SpeedRacer's quality, I'm talking about the fact that it bombed.

I hated The Martix sequels. I think that getting the W-Bros would lead to a disaster far bigger than Superman Returns. If they got the gig I, ofcourse, would be hoping to be proven wrong.

[Ita-KalEl]

Looks like WB is coming right back to the beginning if they are offering it to the W Bros.

So Routh would be out?

[FlawlessVictory]

With the news that Nolan's next film will not be Batman, it looks like 2011 may have opened up for the next Superman film.

[Octoberist]

I wouldn't be against the W bros.

Though I really think the focus should be on Green Lantern, Flash, and Wonder Woman..then Superman. Supes already had his chance and I would like for im to return but not now.

[FlawlessVictory]

Interesting news on the Wachowski front. I don't think I would be opposed.

[FlawlessVictory]

I wouldn't be against the W bros.

Though I really think the focus should be on Green Lantern, Flash, and Wonder Woman..then Superman. Supes already had his chance and I would like for im to return but not now.

Well, it looks like(fingers crossed) that GL is next. So you can scratch that off the list. I'm not sure the studio is that confident in a solo Flash or WW film. I'm sure that's being evaluated all the time, but some news came out recently that would indicate Flash still has interest at the studio.

[Chewy]

With the news that Nolan's next film will not be Batman, it looks like 2011 may have opened up for the next Superman film.
"Opened up" in what way? WB already has HP8 & Hobbit for Summer/Winter 2011, and SM4, CA, and Avengers are all tentatively scheduled for 2011. That's not the environment a Superman flick needs to succeed. Not after Superman Returns

[batman44]

I think the W bros are well capable of making a good Superman movie.

[NeoRanger]

I still think that Superman may have a better chance only a few months apart from the new Batman. It's a much-needed boost. I don't know how wise it would be to isolate Superman; it could go both ways.

[FlawlessVictory]

"Opened up" in what way? WB already has HP8 & Hobbit for Summer/Winter 2011, and SM4, CA, and Avengers are all tentatively scheduled for 2011. That's not the environment a Superman flick needs to succeed. Not after Superman Returns

Hmmm, good point. So when will the next Batman film be? I don't think later than 2012. That franchise has momentum unlike Superman. So are we looking at 2013 then for the next Superman film? If so, why would the Wachowskis supposedly be offered the movie now, seems a bit early to have to reach that decision. So many questions!

[FlawlessVictory]

I still think that Superman may have a better chance only a few months apart from the new Batman. It's a much-needed boost. I don't know how wise it would be to isolate Superman; it could go both ways.

If that's the case, then release both for 2012. Hell, Marvel is releasing multiple superheroes in the same season, perhaps WB can do the same.

[Chewy]

Hmmm, good point. So when will the next Batman film be? I don't think later than 2012. That franchise has momentum unlike Superman. So are we looking at 2013 then for the next Superman film? If so, why would the Wachowskis supposedly be offered the movie now, seems a bit early to have to reach that decision. So many questions!
Yup, seems to me that we'll be looking at BB3 in 2012.

And who knows why they would have offered the W's the job now. Back-to-back-to-back filming, LotR style? If this is to be believed, they offered it to them specifically as a trilogy...

[terry78]

So long as it's not Mark Millar, I'm game. That ****er needs to be banned from this character, period.

[terry78]

So long as it ain't Mark Millar, I'm game. That ****er is hereby banned from going anywhere near Superman, period.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I'm getting good vibes from GL, I pray that I can one day get those good vibes from Superman.

The W-Bros give me :( vibes. This just screams lazy decission making.

[NeoRanger]

I haven't been keeping up with the W-bros' work since "Revolutions", but I'd heard that "V for Vendetta" was pretty decent. That aside, if Showtime's right and WB keeps the next director(s) in a tight leash, we might only get the good stuff from them and dodge the BS.

Of course that's merely an optimistic speculation.

[Chewy]

The W's didn't direct V

[NeoRanger]

^^ My bad, you're right. They just wrote it.

[Excel]

If they take it seriously the way they did with ther Matrix and V it could defiently work.

OR....if they go for some wierd cartoon thing like Speed Racer...

[Anita18]

Well now that Nolan is directing something else first, the plot thickens.
Guh, an update on Nolan AND the Superman movie? Too much geeky good news for one day!

The Matrix sequels got too serious, heavy, and mythological for its own good, but the action scenes were first-rate. It's not the worst news in the world.

If that's the case, then release both for 2012. Hell, Marvel is releasing multiple superheroes in the same season, perhaps WB can do the same.
TIH got the short end of the stick, though. Wouldn't want to overload the summer, especially if BB3 and the next Superman movie won't have anything to do with each other, unlike TIH and IM.

[Octoberist]

So long as it's not Mark Millar, I'm game. That ****er needs to be banned from this character, period.

I agree. Not to say that Millar is not talented, but he's like the Michael Bay of comics. A guy who is kinda trendy and likes to overhype himself..

[Chewy]

TIH got the short end of the stick, though. Wouldn't want to overload the summer, especially if BB3 and the next Superman movie won't have anything to do with each other, unlike TIH and IM.
TIH & IM were marketed and released by different studios - ie competitors.
(Not to mention that one was marketed exquisitely whereas the other was marketed terribly)

THOR & IM2 should give us a better idea if the "2 SH flicks a summer from the same studio" idea will work.

[Superark]

I hope the W Brothers rumor turns out to be false.

The first Matrix was great, but everything else they've done has been a mess.

Also, I don't see how this is a choice that is "safe"? I mean wouldn't the W Brothers have just as much say and power as Singer? I see them as guys who would want a lot of control.

Them at the helm has the potential to be a disaster. Then again they do bring in a lot of action and popcorn so it could be a good thing for the masses. Personally, I care more about story and I don't find them to be good at that.

[Excel]

^Singer was coming off a string of box office and critical hits. The W's are not. They know that they need a movie that will make a lot of money.

Actually, W.B.'s move here is simply brilliant. if there is an offer, the W's

1) HAVE to take it.

And more importantly

2) CANNOT **** it up. It MUST be good and it MUST make a lot of money.

Their last film, Speed Racer, was a huge bomb. Before that was V which was a box office dissappointment. Before that in 2003 was Matrix Revolutions, a huge bomb.

Seeing the trend? Producers and execs in Hollywood probably wont touch them with a 10 foot pole right now.

VERY similar to the position MICHAEL BAY was in prior to Transformers. Pearl Harbor was a box office and critical dissappointment. Bad Boys 2 was unmemorable either way, but the Island was a HUGE disaster. What happened? Bay realized he needed a hit; he needed something mainstream.

The W's are in a very similar position. W.B. will be able to get the most of their talent for not a lot of money. If they accept this is simply a brilliant move on W.B.'s part.

The idea of the Wachowskis doing a modern Superman film is a marketing executives dream come true.

Given the Nolan news, do not be shocked to Superman bumped up to summer 2011 and Batman 3 back until 2012.

[echostation]

W Bros for Superman?? oh god dammit... I'd much rather have Singer continue his SR franchise into the Man of Steel... what an uninspiring idiotic decision... IF it is true which I don't think it is..

Martin Campbell for Green Lantern, excellent choice so far, Jon Favreau for Iron Man, excellent, Kenneth Branagh for Thor, seems like a great choice hard to tell just yet,

but this? this just screams of laziness... I wonder if they'll "matrixize" Superman... I'll be walking out the theater if they do (only other few times i've done that for was Batman & Robin and some other films).

Get a fresh pair of eyes with an inspired choice...

[Excel]

They'll Matrixize Superman the way Michael Bay bay Transformers. Fans will go APE ****.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

They'll Matrixize Superman the way Michael Bay bay Transformers. Fans will go APE ****.Transformers made over 700mil and a sequel is coming out this year. I don't think that WB would give a crap about what the fans think if they make that kind of coin. I know I wouldn't if I were a bussiness man.

By the way: I think that Transformers is a stupid idea that was made into a stupid movie.

[Excel]

Do not worry. They will not **** up Superman. They're huge comic geeks who HAVE to have a hit for the sake of their carreers.

[Showtime]

You're getting way ahead of yourselves here. This is what happened with Millar, everybody started ripping on or jumping on the Millar bandwagon talking as if he had the gig. As of now, to me this is a rumor. I'll wait for other sites to chime in.

[Excel]

Millar was a proven joke who lost a big bet to Harry Knowles when James Caviezel wasnt cast as Supes in 2004. He is irrelevant.

Aint it Cool however is a hit or miss site vouching for the source. Its much more reliable than Millar, though that is not saying anything.

[Showtime]

Seems to cloudy for me at this point. It is from an interview on a Brazilian television show?

[Superark]

^Singer was coming off a string of box office and critical hits. The W's are not. They know that they need a movie that will make a lot of money.

Actually, W.B.'s move here is simply brilliant. if there is an offer, the W's

1) HAVE to take it.

And more importantly

2) CANNOT **** it up. It MUST be good and it MUST make a lot of money.

Their last film, Speed Racer, was a huge bomb. Before that was V which was a box office dissappointment. Before that in 2003 was Matrix Revolutions, a huge bomb.

Seeing the trend? Producers and execs in Hollywood probably wont touch them with a 10 foot pole right now.

VERY similar to the position MICHAEL BAY was in prior to Transformers. Pearl Harbor was a box office and critical dissappointment. Bad Boys 2 was unmemorable either way, but the Island was a HUGE disaster. What happened? Bay realized he needed a hit; he needed something mainstream.

The W's are in a very similar position. W.B. will be able to get the most of their talent for not a lot of money. If they accept this is simply a brilliant move on W.B.'s part.

The idea of the Wachowskis doing a modern Superman film is a marketing executives dream come true.

Given the Nolan news, do not be shocked to Superman bumped up to summer 2011 and Batman 3 back until 2012.

This is why they are scary to have. They have been making poor films for several years now and they don't produce hits. It could motivate them to make a better film, but I wouldn't bet on it.

Transformers made over 700mil and a sequel is coming out this year. I don't think that WB would give a crap about what the fans think if they make that kind of coin. I know I wouldn't if I were a bussiness man.

By the way: I think that Transformers is a stupid idea that was made into a stupid movie.

Exactly. I could end up hating the next Superman film, and a lot of comic fans might too, but if it makes huge money and is a hit with the GA, then WB will care less. It's business.

Hopefully it ends up being good and makes money.

[Octoberist]

wb cares to a certain extent. They understand that they have to have quality movies, I'm sure, and not pull a Fox.

BTW, I think V was a mild hit. how was it a box office disapointment?

[Excel]

Guys, if it makes a lot money, that means people will have liked it ;) :up:

[Webhead2006]

yea pretty interesting if they went with the W brothers. Wasnt their a rumor about them and superman a yr or so ago too? Though more likely then not wb is likely to give them plastic man over superman.

[Nightwing1977]

Wachowskis?

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/40084

I can't say that I'm a fan of their post Matrix work....

Me either. I don't want them anywhere near Superman. They got lucky with the first Matrix, 'cause the rest of their work sucks. The reason why they did well with V for Vendetta is because it wasn't an original work. They just copy bunch from the book along with some little bit of change. With how Singer likely done, I prefer someone else with a good reputation on making films & the W Bros. are not that.

So long as it's not Mark Millar, I'm game. That ****er needs to be banned from this character, period.

I agree. And the W bros. as well.

[Superark]

Guys, if it makes a lot money, that means people will have liked it ;) :up:

The comic fan/geek community liking it and the GA liking it is a lot different.

[Excel]

Transformers wasnt exactly shakespeare and the vast majority of these fans loved it 5x as much as spidey 3.

[SuperDaniel]

THE W Bros are what Superman needs. A breath of fresh air, with great action scenes. Forget the Singer melodrama BS and Superman's kid. Time to see Superman doing Super things and being a goddamn hero for once. I'm all for them!! They are HUGE Superman fans so they can't possibly screw it up. It is the opportunity of their lifetime. Bring it on!!

[I SEE SPIDEY]

THE W Bros are what Superman needs. A breath of fresh air, with great action scenes. Forget the Singer melodrama BS and Superman's kid. Time to see Superman doing Super things and being a goddamn hero for once. I'm all for them!! They are HUGE Superman fans so they can't possibly screw it up. It is the opportunity of their lifetime. Bring it on!!Singer was a huge Superman fan too...sooo that logic is faulty.

[Excel]

Singer was a huge Superman fan too...sooo that logic is faulty.

Singers carreer didnt need a hit as badly as theirs does.

[SuperDaniel]

Singer was a huge Superman fan too...sooo that logic is faulty.
BS. Bryan Singer only watched the fleischer cartoons, the george reeves series and the reeve movies. Wbros are fans of the whole thing, mainly the comics. Plus, Singer's work lacks action and is too melodramatic. Superman needs to be a serious and most especially, a FUN movie. Superman is a fun character, for god's sake. Singer is and was totally wrong for Supes.

[MAN O STEEL]

I don't understand the hate for ppl like Bay or movies like Transformers. Movies weren't created to win awards or to be shakespear or to be artie fartie, it was created to help ppl spend a few hours watching another world, another place of fantasy, sci fi, drama, horror beyond what can happen in real life. It's to take you away from real life ******** & take you on a journey of wonderous fullfillment. taht is what movie like Transformers & Bay's movies do, they entertain, thier funny, over the top, corny, dramatic, everything I used to love about movies. Why the hate?





Steve

[SuperDaniel]

I don't understand the hate for ppl like Bay or movies like Transformers. Movies weren't created to win awards or to be shakespear or to be artie fartie, it was created to help ppl spend a few hours watching another world, another place of fantasy, sci fi, drama, horror beyond what can happen in real life. It's to take you away from real life ******** & take you on a journey of wonderous fullfillment. taht is what movie like Transformers & Bay's movies do, they entertain, thier funny, over the top, corny, dramatic, everything I used to love about movies. Why the hate?
Steve
Well said.

[Showtime]

I rather have Bay doing Superman than the W's any day.

[I Am The Knight]

The fact that the last Wachowskis films underperformed (or bombed horribly, in the case of my beloved Speed Racer) is irrelevant. This is the Wachowskis on SUPERMAN, not on an semi obscure anime most people don't get. Money will come in to them. They can bring the fun that the character needs, are great action visualists, and....Will they actually write it? I suppose that's how it actually goes with them, although perhaps someone else should script the film.

[MAN O STEEL]

I rather have Bay doing Superman than the W's any day.


I'd love to have Bay do everything. He's the action king & he knows how to create subtle yet moving story without it being to over the top. I take for example Armaggedon. From the very moment that movie started you could see that it was not so much about the meteor but a beautiful & touching story about a father & daughter mixed with over the top dialogue, action, comedy, everyhting that makes a movie ENTERTAINMENT. I appreciate Bay a great deal, what a filmaker





Steve

[SuperDaniel]

The fact that the last Wachowskis films underperformed (or bombed horribly, in the case of my beloved Speed Racer) is irrelevant. This is the Wachowskis on SUPERMAN, not on an semi obscure anime most people don't get. Money will come in to them. They can bring the fun that the character needs, are great action visualists, and....Will they actually write it? I suppose that's how it actually goes with them, although perhaps someone else should script the film.
Yeah!

[Showtime]

The thing about Bay is he knows what he is and knows what he does best and doesn't apologize for it. He doesn't try to be artsy or weave complicated tales. He is what he is.

[SuperDaniel]

The WBros are actually fans of the comics! So, yeah, id take them over Singer anyday. But hey, maybe they made a pitch WB liked.

[Showtime]

The choice isn't between Singer and the W's it is between the W's and other directors.

[SuperDaniel]

Just by judging at the Matrix trilogy, I can already say they will make F great Superman movie.

This time is not their work. As long as they keep it faithful to the comics, there is no way to go wrong.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I don't hate Bay or Transformers. I love fun silly movies but Transformers just didn't click with me like it did other people. I think that it is fun and I laughed at a few things and was wowed by a few other things but overall it was just too dumb and silly for my tastes.

But I did hate Armaggedon. I like The Rock though and thought that Bad Boys was fun.

[I Am The Knight]

They could do a lot worse than the Wachowskis (sp) Damn I can't get their name right. Haha. Anyway. Bay I can't see happening. He will most likely finish his Transformers trilogy.

[Excel]

Bay would be great if he only got to the action and corny scenes. transformers characters were ****ing self aware for christs sake.

[Showtime]

They can also do a lot better in my opinion. It took them two years to come up with the W's? Tough pill for me to swallow. You got Nolan doing Batman, Campbell doing Lantern, and the W's doing Superman? Strange.

[SuperDaniel]

Why Strange? The Matrix is a ****ing amazing film and changed popular culture a few years ago. Who cares about the sequels?

Much better than Bay and Campbell ever did.

[I Am The Knight]

It is strange. I'm also surprised they are willing to give that Plastic Man movie a go, though. I mean seriously? Plastic Man? Aquaman gets no love.

[wellsy]

BS. Bryan Singer only watched the fleischer cartoons, the george reeves series and the reeve movies. Wbros are fans of the whole thing, mainly the comics. Plus, Singer's work lacks action and is too melodramatic. Superman needs to be a serious and most especially, a FUN movie. Superman is a fun character, for god's sake. Singer is and was totally wrong for Supes.
Not quite. As I recall, wasn't he the host/narrator for a Superman documentary?

[SuperDaniel]

Not quite. As I recall, wasn't he the host/narrator for a Superman documentary?
Yeah right...that means he knows the comics? SR is a living proof he doesn't and is not right for the job. I hate SR with all my heart. That movie was disgrace to Superman.

[hockeyboy89]

Why Strange? The Matrix is a ****ing amazing film and changed popular culture a few years ago. Who cares about the sequels?

Much better than Bay and Campbell ever did.

Um, I'm pretty sure Campbell helped change Bond. Star Wars changes pop culture too, and he followed that with Indian Jones. They followed with two subpar sequels. And Speed racer is the W's Howard the Duck

[MAN O STEEL]

Not quite. As I recall, wasn't he the host/narrator for a Superman documentary?


No Kevin Spacey narrated it. Singer just made & even so, so what?, that makes him an expert now? :oldrazz:





Steve

[hockeyboy89]

Not quite. As I recall, wasn't he the host/narrator for a Superman documentary?
Spacey did one for the History Channel. Maybe that's who you're thinking of.

[SuperDaniel]

Um, I'm pretty sure Campbell helped change Bond. Star Wars changes pop culture too, and he followed that with Indian Jones. They followed with two subpar sequels. And Speed racer is the W's Howard the Duck
Speed Racer was a stupid cartoon in the first place so i don't really care about it.

[hockeyboy89]

Speed Racer was a stupid cartoon in the first place so i don't really care about it.

But the W brothers did......

[I Am The Knight]

Um, I'm pretty sure Campbell helped change Bond. Star Wars changes pop culture too, and he followed that with Indian Jones. They followed with two subpar sequels. And Speed racer is the W's Howard the Duck

Are you comparing The Matrix to Casino Royale? Bwahaha. I mean, I LOVE Casino Royale....But that movie did not have the everlasting impact that The Matrix did. Not even close. Not sure what you are trying to say with Star Wars...?

[SuperDaniel]

They made the First Matrix and that is a living proof that they love Superman. There is no way it could go wrong. Just be faithfull to the comics(and they know them!) and make a FUN movie with awesome action. THat's what we'll get!

[SuperDaniel]

Are you comparing The Matrix to Casino Royale? Bwahaha. I mean, I LOVE Casino Royale....But that movie did not have the everlasting impact that The Matrix did. Not even close. Not sure what you are trying to say with Star Wars...?
Exactely.

[hockeyboy89]

Are you comparing The Matrix to Casino Royale? Bwahaha. I mean, I LOVE Casino Royale....But that movie did not have the everlasting impact that The Matrix did. Not even close. Not sure what you are trying to say with Star Wars...?


LOL Not even close......I was trying to legitimize Campbell for GL. I was comparing the Matrix and the W's to Lucas and SW.

[SuperDaniel]

Hey, I actually love Campbell for GL and i'm sure it will be a great movie. I read the script and i liked it a lot.

I'm sure Wbros will inovate something, especially with Flying!!

[hockeyboy89]

Hey, I actually love Campbell for GL and i'm sure it will be a great movie. I read the script and i liked it a lot.

I'm sure Wbros will inovate something, especially with Flying!!

I need to look up the script, I've never been one for the lantern, but I am intrigued.

Anything to improve the SUPER part of Superman is needed. Flying being at the front of the list, followed quickly by fighting.

[I Am The Knight]

LOL Not even close......I was trying to legitimize Campbell for GL. I was comparing the Matrix and the W's to Lucas and SW.

Yes, Campbell for GL is great. But he's not without his share of bad movies.

And Lucas only directed the first Star Wars? I don't see how that applies here :huh:

[FaT_tONle]

Folks, you should remember that the "new" potential Terminator franchise is essentially produced and funded through Halcyon, independent production entities, and private investment, while Warner Bros. is, officially, only "distributing" domestically. In comparison, Warner's has a much greater involvement in the Batman franchise, even though they are partnered with Legendary Pictures there as well...

So while Warner's obviously wouldn't want two of its distributed tentpoles to directly compete with one another, due to the studio's significantly lower investment burden on Terminator, there is indeed some flexibility in terms of the timing of their release...and even the consideration of pairing them up in one summer...

...And to keep this tangentially on-topic, there's no reason why Superman couldn't fly again in a summer (or winter) alongside another Batman...or a Terminator... (though perhaps not both...)

Confused yet...?

:word:

I say if T5 and BB3 conflict... Terminator will go to the spring 2011 or winter 2011

[SuperDaniel]

Now all they needs is to cast Henry Cavill as Supes and we'll have at least a good Superman movie :)

:up:

[Christmas]

how do you people know the W bro's are Superman comic fans? Any interviews out there where they talk about Supes?

[SuperDaniel]

I remember reading an interview that says they are. Just watch the Matrix movies and it is obvious they are Superman fans.

[Excel]

We'll get a name for this Supes. There were always 2 sides at wb involving superman situation:

Side A=Quality
-Wanted unknown
-Wanted Singer
-Wanted Singers own idea

Side B = $$$$
-Wanted Fraser
-Wanted Ratner/McG
-Wanted Abrams script.

Side A won in 06, I bet Side b wins now.

[SuperDaniel]

Hopefully it will be Side C now - $$$$ + faithfull to the comics + Cavill/Routh = fans, GA and WB happy

[terry78]

how do you people know the W bro's are Superman comic fans? Any interviews out there where they talk about Supes?

EVERYBODY is a Superman fan, by default. Somebody saying that they've been a massive fan of Superman for years is like the most redundant thing you could say.

[bgshw44]

The choice isn't between Singer and the W's it is between the W's and other directors.

do you think there is any chance of a bay superman movie? i think transformers was the perfect "style" for a terrific superman movie, obviously i would like it a little more deep and epic than TF.

have you heard anything, what does your gut say?

[NeoRanger]

If Bay comes anywhere near Superman, I'll strap 10 pounds of TNT on my nipples and record the explosion. He's the "F*** you director". I've suffered through it once with "Transformers". I'd rather he stayed on original material, that I can skip without so much as learning it ever existed.

I'm not particularly open to the Wachowski brothers either, but I don't want to reject the idea right off the bat.

[bgshw44]

We'll get a name for this Supes. There were always 2 sides at wb involving superman situation:

Side A=Quality
-Wanted unknown
-Wanted Singer
-Wanted Singers own idea

Side B = $$$$
-Wanted Fraser
-Wanted Ratner/McG
-Wanted Abrams script.

Side A won in 06, I bet Side b wins now.

i feel like there can be a comfortable middle, but again i feel the director sets the tone like donner did. he had a vision and he knew what he wanted. singer did as well i just cant believe wb thought it was appropriate. have a good script, get some really big stars as supporting cast around routh and a director who has a track record of making movies that have the look and feel of a superman movie. in my opinion, that man would be Bay. i feel sick for saying this, but T4 looks pretty good too.

[bgshw44]

If Bay comes anywhere near Superman, I'll strap 10 pounds of TNT on my nipples and record the explosion. He's the "F*** you director". I've suffered through it once with "Transformers". I'd rather he stayed on original material, that I can skip without so much as learning it ever existed.

I'm not particularly open to the Wachowski brothers either, but I don't want to reject the idea right off the bat.

whats your beef with bay? he took a goofy cartoon and turned it into a blockbuster action packed summer popcorn flick. im sure with the right script he could go a little deeper with superman

[hockeyboy89]

whats your beef with bay? he took a goofy cartoon and turned it into a blockbuster action packed summer popcorn flick. im sure with the right script he could go a little deeper with superman

Yeah but Singer went with a deeper Supes and that hasn't gone over too well......

[NeoRanger]

Blockbuster action popcorn flick =/= good film. That's my beef with him.

[C. Lee]

If Bay comes anywhere near Superman, I'll strap 10 pounds of TNT on my nipples and record the explosion.

That'll teach him a lesson.

[BenReilly]

Bay has no interest in directing a Superman film.

Pre-Singer, Bay was one of the studio's top choices to direct and was offered the gig plenty of times (along with every other major director in Hollywood) but constantly turned them down.

[hockeyboy89]

Bay has no interest in directing a Superman film.

Pre-Singer, Bay was one of the studio's top choices to direct and was offered the gig plenty of times (along with every other major director in Hollywood) but constantly turned them down.

Good! I wouldn't have had Bad Boys 2 if he had!!! And I enjoyed BB2 for what it was. Bad Boys is on my top 10.

I just think he's wrong for this. Most people want and action packed Supes and Bay knows a thing or two about action. But something just doesn't set right.

[I Am The Knight]

That'll teach him a lesson.

Haha :woot: :nono:

[Matt]

The Wachowskis are simply wrong for Superman. We don't need a metaphysical story about the flaws of consumerism. Their story telling style is wrong.

McG, despite his recent bump in popularity because Terminator looks good and some vague comments he made is wrong to direct. He clearly does not understand the character if he wishes to make him Batman-esque.

Hell, I noticed a thread in one of the subforums about Chris Nolan. His directorial style is entirely wrong.

Michael Bay is wrong because he does not know how to tell a story and it would simply give us the opposite extreme of the Singer melo-drama.

Just because a director makes a movie right, doesn't make him right for this movie. Hell, Judd Apatow makes great comedies...should he direct Superman?

I really hope Warners doesn't follow this fanboy mentality of getting whatever flavor of the month director is on a hot streak as they tried it with Singer and it blew up in their faces.

They need to carefully seek out the right director who has a healthy respect for the character and a vision that would make a great movie, whoever that may be.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

The Wachowskis are simply wrong for Superman. We don't need a metaphysical story about the flaws of consumerism. Their story telling style is wrong.

McG, despite his recent bump in popularity because Terminator looks good and some vague comments he made is wrong to direct. He clearly does not understand the character if he wishes to make him Batman-esque.

Hell, I noticed a thread in one of the subforums about Chris Nolan. His directorial style is entirely wrong.

Michael Bay is wrong because he does not know how to tell a story and it would simply give us the opposite extreme of the Singer melo-drama.

Just because a director makes a movie right, doesn't make him right for this movie. Hell, Judd Apatow makes great comedies...should he direct Superman?

I really hope Warners doesn't follow this fanboy mentality of getting whatever flavor of the month director is on a hot streak as they tried it with Singer and it blew up in their faces.

They need to carefully seek out the right director who has a healthy respect for the character and a vision that would make a great movie, whoever that may be.Great post Matt. And I pretty much agree with everything you said.

[SuperDaniel]

Whoever said the Wbros would make a movie like the Matrix, about consumerism and metaphisical? The Matrix movies are a proof that they love the comics and Superman.

[Double Down]

"He stated the Wachowski Brothers had been approached to re-boot the franchise as a trilogy and they are currently reviewing their options as its like being asked to take the final play in a superbowl final."

Does anyone understand the bolded part? What does that mean?

[Lighthouse]

"He stated the Wachowski Brothers had been approached to re-boot the franchise as a trilogy and they are currently reviewing their options as its like being asked to take the final play in a superbowl final."

Does anyone understand the bolded part? What does that mean?

I think he means its the two minute warning and you need a kick off to win the game. The Superman franchise is on the line right now. If WB doesn't get it right the second time, then Superman in movies is toast, and they will have lost a potentially huge money making franchise. If the Wachowskis score, they save the franchise, and save they careers. They blow it, the franchise is dead for the next couple decades, as is their careers, at least with big budget movies.

[Double Down]

I think he means its the two minute warning and you need a kick off to win the game. The Superman franchise is on the line right now. If the Wachowskis score, they save the franchise, and save they careers. They blow it, the franchise is dead for the next couple decades, as is their careers, at least with big budget movies.

I'll buy that.

[FaT_tONle]

Yup, seems to me that we'll be looking at BB3 in 2012.

And who knows why they would have offered the W's the job now. Back-to-back-to-back filming, LotR style? If this is to be believed, they offered it to them specifically as a trilogy...

So now we are going to have 3 red and blue suits in 2011? Yeah that will work... Supes needs to go to Holidays if that's the case which I don't forsee... DC/WB can release a lesser gun if they need a hero movie in 2011 not named Batman. Makes sense since Marvel has 3 fat cats due that year. There is a difference between sticking to a slate/having a schedule and just being plain stupid. If Supes goes up against Avengers it would be SR vs POTC 2 all over again...

[Matt]

Whoever said the Wbros would make a movie like the Matrix, about consumerism and metaphisical? The Matrix movies are a proof that they love the comics and Superman.

All their movies are critiques of consumerism :cwink:

Still, being a fan does not make them the right choice. Kevin Smith is a fan, I wouldn't want him touching Superman with a ten foot pole. Hell, I could care less if the director is a fan of Superman, as long as they understand the character well enough to make a good movie.

Sigh, in a perfect world, James Cameron would do it.

[SuperDaniel]

:D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oNdGHU_kHU

[Double Down]

I would be so much happier if Martin Campbell was doing Superman and the Wachowskis were doing Green Lantern or The Flash.

[solidsnake86]

First of all, doesnt the report with nolan say that the film is coming out in 2010, so why are people thinking b3 is going to be pushed back even further. Second, the script is the most important thing in all of this. So for me, if they have an amazing script I think that the W-bros could create an amazing film. If not, it will just look good. And thats the thing with all of these choices for directors, the script is the most important part because we are in desperate need of a good story for superman.

[Double Down]

...

[FaT_tONle]

First of all, doesnt the report with nolan say that the film is coming out in 2010, so why are people thinking b3 is going to be pushed back even further. Second, the script is the most important thing in all of this. So for me, if they have an amazing script I think that the W-bros could create an amazing film. If not, it will just look good. And thats the thing with all of these choices for directors, the script is the most important part because we are in desperate need of a good story for superman.

Exactly... I still think WB wants BB3 in 2011. They merely positioned themselves where they have a safety net in the extra Potter film... just in case on of their hero films does not fall through. But I still think they want Batman in there. I mean HP6 was originally scheduled for 2008... not the summer but still... the same year as TDK. THey won't hesitate to do that.

[SuperDaniel]

Nolan is doing a movie before Batman 3.

[Scarecrow_King]

I don't think they should set up for a trilogy from the get go.
I think that they need to focus on ONE movie that can stand on its own two feet. i'm entirely sick of the whole trilogy fad right now.
if they need a gimmick like "this is just the first movie of and awesome THREE that we have planned!", i feel like they're relying too much on the other two movies and won't focus enough on making the first one good.

[Christmas]

I think the spectacle in a Wachowski helmed superman movie would be pretty great to look at and the production design would be impressive I'm sure especially if Brainiac is a major character. BUT it sounds like WB is playing it safe and lowballing what they hope to make out of the franchise.

I don't know what it is about Superman fans such as myself and others, but there's a real desire to have these films be more than just good summer movies. Call it a misplaced sense of entitlement or what have you, but I dunno. It's gonna suck if they just settle on something like the W bro's or the guy who made I am legend and it ends up even more mediocre than SR when all is said and done.

Makes one really envy the position Singer had back in 04. Full creative control and essentially an unlimited budget. He certainly fumbled. But NOW half measures and a tepid approach would be disastrous just because of what Singer did. Superman would be dead on film.

I think WB is going to have to find someone who they really trust with a large budget, so that person can move the production forward with a strong creative mandate. That person should have a track record of successful films at the box office, with critics, and with audiences at large. That person should have something to prove whereas Bay, the Wachowski's, et al could shoot a whiz bang Superman movie you may drop your jaw at, but probably won't care about when you wake up the next morning and get on with your life.

That person for me, for a long time, has been Brad Bird.
-Makes successful films with critics and audiences, and can turn a pretty profit.
- Story telling prowess is far more healthy and effective than any action director one could name.
- Has something to prove coming from the world of Animation.
- Included one of the best homages in all pop-culture to the man of steel in the Iron Giant.
- Made arguably one of the best and most enjoyable superhero films with the Incredibles.
- Matched with a great DC writer of his choice could create a story people would want to see that I'm 100% positive wouldn't rely on drastically changing the tone of the character,(looking at you Burton, McG).

Finger's crossed. This pick I realize is like Howard Dean for President. But goddarnit I think Bird's the guy!

[manofsteel4life]

caamon wb......:csad:

[Scarecrow_King]

I support Brad Bird. he's a very solid character director. granted, most of his stuff has been animated. but he's always been amazing. I'm with you, Christmas.

[Webhead2006]

he probably would be a solid choice. I hope wb does play it smarter this time and find the right person(s) to hand the reigns of superman too and dont make the same mistakes like they did with singer with the free reign. Though we know they dont want that issue again.

[Webhead2006]

he probably would be a solid choice. I hope wb does play it smarter this time and find the right person(s) to hand the reigns of superman too and dont make the same mistakes like they did with singer with the free reign. Though we know they dont want that issue again.

[Christmas]

Yeah man, the live-action switch--that's the hurdle BUT I've seen interviews on youtube where people asked him do you think you could crossover and without a moment's hesitation he answers yes, absolutely. So maybe the logistics of running a live action movie as big as would be needed for Supes would be a challenge, but writing and shooting an exciting, funny, and moving story? No doubt in my mind he's got the chops.

[Scarecrow_King]

the more i think about this, the more I heartily approve. I doubt he'll move away from Pixar, though. he's been there since the beginning. I don't see any reason why he would want to leave. and since Pixar is now starting to eye live action, he could make the switch in-company. that would give him a level of comfort that would let him do his best work.

so i think maybe after he gets a Pixar live movie, then he'd be ready to tackle this as best he can.

[Christmas]

I think Brad Bird directing would resolve the Action Vs. Heart problem that comes up when thinking of potential directors and what their respective vision's would likely end up being. Is it too much to ask for both in one Superman film??

[Nightwing1977]

Time to see Superman doing Super things and being a goddamn hero for once.



So.....does saving many lives on the plane & getting rid of New Krypton to prevent it from destroying Metropolis doesn't make one a hero? Come on, that is a hero there. After all, that what Superman does with those 2 scenes I mention. Fact. ;)



They are HUGE Superman fans so they can't possibly screw it up. It is the opportunity of their lifetime. Bring it on!!



Just because you're a fan doesn't mean you're right for the film. If they are fans, so is Singer & many don't like his vision.

Singer was a huge Superman fan too...sooo that logic is faulty.

True. It could be the same for the W brothers. Even if they are fans, I doubt they could make the film good with how their only best original story was the first Matrix film, while the rest of their works suck.



BS. Bryan Singer only watched the fleischer cartoons, the george reeves series and the reeve movies.



But aren't those part of Superman mythos? You don't need to read all of the comics or whatever to get Superman. Hugh Jackman is not an X-Men fan & he nail Wolverine perfectly. He even mention Singer didn't want him to read the comics when he did the first X-Men film & look how Wolverine in the film turn out.



Wbros are fans of the whole thing, mainly the comics.



Can you give us link to back it up please? So far, we only heard they were fans of Superman. It could be several things like the cartoons or they love the Reeve's films, etc. if not the comics. But again, being a fan don't always mean you're right to handle the character.

Superman needs to be a serious and most especially, a FUN movie.

Serious? Didn't we got that already in Superman Returns? Bunch of fans didn't like SR because it was serious & now you just said Superman film need to be serious. :D



Now all they needs is to cast Henry Cavill as Supes and we'll have at least a good Superman movie :)

:up:



Cavill will never play Supes, so dream on. It's not going to happend.

[NeoRanger]

Bunch of fans didn't like SR because it was serious
Hey now, don't go spreading inaccuracies. SR wasn't serious, it was melodramatic. That's what people didn't like.

[Nightwing1977]

But serious can be part of melodrama. Beside, since when were music use a lot in SR as some refer to as "melodrama"? Just only few themes here or there you usually hear in superhero movies. Sorry, but SR is still a serious film. Fans who hate it said its was "serious" & didn't want Superman films to be serious.

[NeoRanger]

But serious can be part of melodrama.
Even leaving aside my opinion that melodrama isn't serious, but ridiculous, there's a whole world of difference between disliking something serious and disliking something melodramatic. People didn't dislike SR, because Superman wasn't pumping his chest when he was talking, they dislike it for several other reasons, including its knack for whining from top to bottom.

Beside, since when were music use a lot in SR as some refer to as "melodrama"?
...

What?

Fans who hate it said its was "serious" & didn't want Superman films to be serious.
I hate it and I've never said any such thing. Neither have many, many, many others. This is literally like me assuming that everyone who loved Superman Returns is a chick. Not a woman, mind you. A chick. Because, for all I care, SR was a glorified chick flick. Don't generalize.

[bootspark]

Cavill will never play Supes, so dream on. It's not going to happend.

Routh will NEVER play Supes again, so dream on. Its not going to happen.:woot:

[bgshw44]

Blockbuster action popcorn flick =/= good film. That's my beef with him.

iu agree but i feel like thats all they were looking for for TF

[bgshw44]

Yeah but Singer went with a deeper Supes and that hasn't gone over too well......

yeah but he went wayyy to far with it. i was just saying maybe a little more serious of a film compared to TF, but overall i think TF style, look and feel was pretty much spot on for superman

[Dragonyeuw]

I'd like to see something along the lines of how Lois and Clark handled Superman. Dean Cain wasn't the greatest Supes, but I always liked that Clark was the real person and Superman was the expression of his powers and disguise. It means that Kal-el was not sent to Earth to 'be Superman', but instead made a conscious choice to use his powers for good once he reached adulthood and from his own life experiences growing up. As much as I love Superman the movie, I'm not a fan of the 'God sent from the heavens to be earth's saviour' thing. Makes the character a bit 'above' us and not entirely relatable, though Chris Reeve put about as much humility into such a character as one can.

Also, I hope that Lex Luthor is not the main baddie. He should be in the background, sort of a lurking menace

[Matt]

Great post Matt. And I pretty much agree with everything you said.

Thank you. Unfortunately it seems to be looked over as people don't want to hear...logic! :wow:

[GreenKToo]

Just catching up here. The W's are rumored huh. Looks like we've came full circle if it turns out to be true.
I'm not exactly sure how I feel about this other than i'm glad we've got something to finally talk about.

[Angeloz]

Logis is used to justify emotion.

Angeloz

[GreenKToo]

It will be interesting to hear the other names in consideration to direct.

[Matt]

Just catching up here. The W's are rumored huh. Looks like we've came full circle if it turns out to be true.
I'm not exactly sure how I feel about this other than i'm glad we've got something to finally talk about.

NAh, we'll be full circle when days before the pre-production starts, the director drops out for refusing to film in Australia and Bryan Singer's sequel is green-lit the next day.

The sad part is, with WB, I could see it happening.

Executive 1: Bad news! The Superman director quit!

Executive 2: You know what I saw on FX last night? X-Men 3. And that got me thinking, X-Men 2 was pretty good and made lots of money! Lets bring Bryan Singer back!

Executive 1: That is...BRILLIANT :high five:

[Nightwing1977]

Routh will NEVER play Supes again, so dream on. Its not going to happen.:woot:

More chance of it happening than Cavill & Welling playing Supes on the big screen, I'm sure. Beside, Horn want Routh again & he has the final say with WB. ;)

[GreenKToo]

HaHa. nothing would surprise me at this point.

[BATZARRO WWD]

The Wachouski's aren't a bad choice if you ask me. Sure, they screwed the Matrix sequels with overdevelopment, but other than that and possibly Speed Racer(I wouldn't know) they ussually do pretty well. Plus, they already have experience with flying super-fights. That counts, right?


Though...I'd rather wait and see if the rumor is true. And, of course, a trilogy kinda reminds me of what Mark Millar was saying.

[GreenKToo]

I'd kinda like to see their thoughts on it before I jump on board. Of course this is all just rumors at this point, but where there is smoke, there's fire.

[Angeloz]

I'd kinda like to see their thoughts on it before I jump on board. Of course this is all just rumors at this point, but where there is smoke, there's fire.

Not necessarily. Although it's a bad time to mention fire at the moment (hint: I am in Australia). :(

Angeloz

[Ultimate_Superman]

As I said in the other thread I would not be oppose to the W brothers directing Superman if they brought someone in form DC (Johns or Rucka) to help them out. I just do not want to see the Matrix under a new name. I want to see a Superman movie. The only thing I like so far out of all the rumors we have heard is that we already have our Superman (Routh) cast other then that I am on a wait a see bases like how I was with Singer.

[JAK®]

The Wachouski's aren't a bad choice if you ask me. Sure, they screwed the Matrix sequels with overdevelopment, but other than that and possibly Speed Racer(I wouldn't know) they ussually do pretty well. Plus, they already have experience with flying super-fights. That counts, right?


Though...I'd rather wait and see if the rumor is true. And, of course, a trilogy kinda reminds me of what Mark Millar was saying.
Speed Racer is a great film. I don't know why it gets so much criticism. It proves to me that the Waschowskis would be great for a Superman adaption.

[GreenKToo]

Not necessarily. Although it's a bad time to mention fire at the moment (hint: I am in Australia). :(

Angeloz
Good luck with that. I've been watching it on the news. I'm a firefighter myself so wish you all luck (looks like the worst is over with)

About the rumors. Maybe, maybe not. Somebody threw it out there though to judge a reaction methinks.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Speed Racer is a great film. I don't know why it gets so much criticism. It proves to me that the Waschowskis would be great for a Superman adaption.I have to agree I liked Speed Racer and don't know where all this hate comes from either. I just think at the most the kid and the money was over done.

[FlawlessVictory]

As I said in the other thread I would not be oppose to the W brothers directing Superman if they brought someone in form DC (Johns or Rucka) to help them out. I just do not want to see the Matrix under a new name. I want to see a Superman movie. The only thing I like so far out of all the rumors we have heard is that we already have our Superman (Routh) cast other then that I am on a wait a see bases like how I was with Singer.

Well I would imagine with the summit supposedly having a strong impact, that DC Comics would be involved with the next Superman film in some capacity.

[Scarecrow_King]

nobody else has problems with the trilogy idea? why can't they just make one?
seems like a weak ploy to me.

and then if the first one sucks, we're stuck with the next two anyway.

Ever since the Matrix and Lord of the Rings came out, EVERYBODY is doing "epic trilogies". please, just give us ONE solid movie. that's all I want.

[Sam]

I'm not talking about SpeedRacer's quality, I'm talking about the fact that it bombed.

I hated The Martix sequels.

I dont. I love all 3 Matrix movies.

About Speed Racer, i didnt see it yet. Majority of ppl said so bad stuffs about it that i didnt go to the theater. Im waiting go air on television.

[Sam]

Singer was a huge Superman fan too...sooo that logic is faulty.

Singer was a huge fan of DONNER VERSION of Superman. With that in mind, he did exactly what a lot of ppl could expect: a nood to Donner movie.

Wachowskis Brothers are a huge comics fans, and they know Superman from comics and his backstory.

If they will make a good movie, i dunno. But they know it.

[GreenKToo]

nobody else has problems with the trilogy idea? why can't they just make one?
seems like a weak ploy to me.

and then if the first one sucks, we're stuck with the next two anyway.

Ever since the Matrix and Lord of the Rings came out, EVERYBODY is doing "epic trilogies". please, just give us ONE solid movie. that's all I want.
Singer and company had planned on making more Supes films as well. We see how that turned out.
If the Bro's W make it and it's good, they'll be more.
If not, then that's that.

[Showtime]

nobody else has problems with the trilogy idea? why can't they just make one?
seems like a weak ploy to me.

and then if the first one sucks, we're stuck with the next two anyway.

Ever since the Matrix and Lord of the Rings came out, EVERYBODY is doing "epic trilogies". please, just give us ONE solid movie. that's all I want.

Nobody would be stuck with anything, if the first one sucks and fails, we won't see Superman for a long long time. There is a lot riding on this because of Singer's Superman Returns.

The Wachowskis are simply wrong for Superman. We don't need a metaphysical story about the flaws of consumerism. Their story telling style is wrong.

McG, despite his recent bump in popularity because Terminator looks good and some vague comments he made is wrong to direct. He clearly does not understand the character if he wishes to make him Batman-esque.

Hell, I noticed a thread in one of the subforums about Chris Nolan. His directorial style is entirely wrong.

Michael Bay is wrong because he does not know how to tell a story and it would simply give us the opposite extreme of the Singer melo-drama.

Just because a director makes a movie right, doesn't make him right for this movie. Hell, Judd Apatow makes great comedies...should he direct Superman?

I really hope Warners doesn't follow this fanboy mentality of getting whatever flavor of the month director is on a hot streak as they tried it with Singer and it blew up in their faces.

They need to carefully seek out the right director who has a healthy respect for the character and a vision that would make a great movie, whoever that may be.

Great post. One thing is that the W's are not on a hot streak, quite the opposite.

do you think there is any chance of a bay superman movie? i think transformers was the perfect "style" for a terrific superman movie, obviously i would like it a little more deep and epic than TF.

have you heard anything, what does your gut say?

At this point I don't think Bay is involved. They've gone to him twice already.

Bay has no interest in directing a Superman film.

Pre-Singer, Bay was one of the studio's top choices to direct and was offered the gig plenty of times (along with every other major director in Hollywood) but constantly turned them down.

They also went back to Bay during early 07, interestingly enough, they also went to the W's.

[FCEEVIPER]

The Wachowskis Brothers? F it, why not.

We need a Superman film made already!

[FilmNerdJamie]

Ironically, James McTeigue fits the profile of the type of filmmaker WB is said to be eyeing for the next film.

[Webhead2006]

Hopefully we get some solid confirmation one way or another soon.

[Excel]

The Wachowskis are simply wrong for Superman. We don't need a metaphysical story about the flaws of consumerism. Their story telling style is wrong.

Though I wont deny most of their films have that wierd angle/perspective that Ive never been a fan of, it's reasonable to asume thatwould be abandoned if they get Superman. Unlike all their other movies, they will not have complete control over it.

McG, despite his recent bump in popularity because Terminator looks good and some vague comments he made is wrong to direct. He clearly does not understand the character if he wishes to make him Batman-esque.

I think he could make a decent movie, but he wont be doing it anyway.

Hell, I noticed a thread in one of the subforums about Chris Nolan. His directorial style is entirely wrong.

Nolans Supes would be worse than Singers. Superman is not for a realist. It takes imagination.

Michael Bay is wrong because he does not know how to tell a story and it would simply give us the opposite extreme of the Singer melo-drama

Ehh....with a good script Bay has it in him.

I really hope Warners doesn't follow this fanboy mentality of getting whatever flavor of the month director is on a hot streak as they tried it with Singer and it blew up in their faces.

Singer was picked because they were desperate. Watch any of films they all the same bleak look andlook of imagination, which are so wrong for Supes its not funny. He was picked because of the story arcs he could do with the characters and he did that. Everything else just sucked.


They need to carefully seek out the right director who has a healthy respect for the character and a vision that would make a great movie, whoever that may be


If what Show is saying is true, that will damn near impossible. W.B. supposably want to have a lot control over the project. No Director will sign onto that unless they somebody whose career needs a huge boost...like the W's.

Its obvious from watching their movies the W' bros have an awesome Superman movie in them, the question is will they deliver it? With W.B. overseeing the script (the last time W.B. loved a supes script for the script and not the name of the writer was Abrams 2nd draft which was awesome) I have faith. It will be kind of like what happened with the 1st Harry Potter movie.

But serious can be part of melodrama. Beside, since when were music use a lot in SR as some refer to as "melodrama"? Just only few themes here or there you usually hear in superhero movies. Sorry, but SR is still a serious film. Fans who hate it said its was "serious" & didn't want Superman films to be serious.

The serious stuff in SR was the only good thing about it. You can do serious and make it a fun film. BB was as serious as it gets and was very fun. SR's problem was there was no action. Singer got great performance out of everybody.

If yould have Singer direct the actors and create the dialogue and character arcs while the W' s handle the style, action scenes, and editing, you would the ultimate Superman film.

[RachelDawes]

The Wachowskis Brothers? F it, why not.

We need a Superman film made already!

This has been my attitude lately but this news about the Wachowskis doesn't thrill me, maybe because of the megaflop that was SpeedRacer.

[Angeloz]

Good luck with that. I've been watching it on the news. I'm a firefighter myself so wish you all luck (looks like the worst is over with)

Thanks. Though it might not be the end as the month isn't over yet and there might be another hot period. With northerlies (the dangerous winds here).

About the rumors. Maybe, maybe not. Somebody threw it out there though to judge a reaction methinks.

Or someone made it up 'cos they felt like it. Don't know either way.

This has been my attitude lately but this news about the Wachowskis doesn't thrill me, maybe because of the megaflop that was SpeedRacer.

Never seen the film but I'm not jumping for joy nor depressed at the rumour. It's - eh - for me.

Angeloz

[SuperDaniel]

What if the big action director Millar was talking are the Wachowsky Bros?

[Angeloz]

What if the big action director Millar was talking are the Wachowsky Bros?

Aren't they directors' not a director? ;) :D

Angeloz

[FilmNerdJamie]

Some of you are giving Millar too much credit...

[Brian Braddock]

One of the W.Bros sure was a naughty, naughty boy.................:D