Reintroducing Superman: An Open Discussion

[Showtime]

Is anybody a subscriber to production weekly?

[FaT_tONle]

I think if they wait six years... even five years... it can't possibly be a sequel. How will they account for that time? I mean they can always recast the kid... but the cast would be a lot older. I guess it wouldn't be too noticable... but still. I guess if they felt they could wrap up all the loose ends in one film you could make a sequel of sorts.

[Showtime]

I don't think this is going to be a "direct" sequel as I have been saying for the past couple years.

[FilmNerdJamie]

The kid was probably looking at being recast regardless. And we all know about Lois...

[Spade]

If I can expect another film with a depressing Superman that has a ho-hum moral compass, then I won't be seeing "Superman Unleashed," or whatever it is they finally decide to call this project.

[Cool Monty]

If I can expect another film with a depressing Superman that has a ho-hum moral compass, then I won't be seeing "Superman Unleashed," or whatever it is they finally decide to call this project.

I think it's safe to assume WB got quite a good idea from fans of what worked and what didn't in SR.

[Captain Planet!]

Ugh. Please, please let this be false.

And "Unleashed" is a terrible title anyway.

[FilmNerdJamie]

It's about to get even crazier in here with this news...

*Sigh*

[Spade]

I think it's safe to assume WB got quite a good idea from fans of what worked and what didn't in SR.

So making him darker and emphasizing "more action" over "better story" is a sign that they have a good idea what we want? 'Cause that's what I've taken away from the interviews so far, and if that's the case I don't think they've learned anything from the last film.

[bgshw44]

i truely think a loose sequel is a better way to go. hell people thought tih was a sequel and bb a prequel, so box office wise as long as they fix what was wrong with sr, make it a batman forever type continuity like jamie said, its a safer way to go for the studio.

lets go wb!!! supermannnnnnnnnnnnnn \S/!

[FaT_tONle]

i truely think a loose sequel is a better way to go. hell people thought tih was a sequel and bb a prequel, so box office wise as long as they fix what was wrong with sr, make it a batman forever type continuity like jamie said, its a safer way to go for the studio.

lets go wb!!! supermannnnnnnnnnnnnn \S/!

If they keep Routh there is no way you can do a complete reboot WITH the public THINKING it's a reboot. So even if you scrap Richard/Jason... recast Lois, and go Corporate... people will still think it's some kind of sequel IMO. Even without Routh I think it will be tough to sell it as a reboot. I just think you have to take the things that work and write around or simply cut the things that didn't work in SR. Probably preaching the choir but I get your point.

[Prison Mike]

Superman Unleashed sounds like a videogame. Like Lois Lane dies and Superman is so distraught that he goes insane and starts destroying stuff. That would be a cool game.

[Spade]

i truely think a loose sequel is a better way to go. hell people thought tih was a sequel and bb a prequel, so box office wise as long as they fix what was wrong with sr, make it a batman forever type continuity like jamie said, its a safer way to go for the studio.

lets go wb!!! supermannnnnnnnnnnnnn \S/!

It sounds like you're very adamant about seeing Superman again, but do you realize that if they go ahead with a half-baked plan and it fails we won't see any Superman movies for some time? The Incredible Hulk, regardless of my opinion on it, barely made a domestic profit for Marvel Studios. Punisher: War Zone, a similar reboot, didn't even make back the funds it took to make. Superman got more of a shot with his last film than Hulk did, but that doesn't mean he'll get another if the filmmakers don't know what they're doing with the character (ex: calling it a "re-quel") and just push out another movie. I'd rather they make a good film that clearly shows why Superman has been around as the face of the DC universe for more than 70 years.

[Showtime]

The Legendary stuff is all legit...

Here is the rest...

http://alexlitel.blogspot.com/2009/02/electric-stories-that-will-surely-blow.html

[Christmas]

Showtime-

Does Legendary put up a huge chunk of the cash to make the picture?

[FilmNerdJamie]

Half.

[Showtime]

Legendary puts up flips some of the bill but also shares some of the profit.

[Superark]

Whoa, I cannot believe that is legit!

So is this going to be a sequel, is Singer returning, or is this merely the reintroduction???

[Christmas]

I see Legendary wants to make a World of Warcraft film. I seem to remember Brandon Routh explicitly saying back in 06 he'd really really want to be in a film version of that, am i right on that?

[Kokomo29]

Hey Show, do you think Singer will be involved?

[FilmNerdJamie]

Like I said, it's about to get crazy in here.

[bgshw44]

Superman Unleashed sounds like a videogame. Like Lois Lane dies and Superman is so distraught that he goes insane and starts destroying stuff. That would be a cool game.

if this is true, i guarentee you that is just a working name. i think man of steel is pretty obvious after the dark knight

[Kokomo29]

And I just thought of something - It may not be a bad thing if Singer is involved; he's a really good director. As long as Michael Dougherty and Dan Harris don't return to write it, we could potentially have a good movie if Singer makes it. Their story (I know it was Singer's idea, too...) was soooo boooooring.

[Superark]

Like I said, it's about to get crazy in here.


You and Showtime certainly did not waste any time to start finding stuff :up:

And you're right, it is about to get a little crazy in here

[Christmas]

Like I said, it's about to get crazy in here.


Maybe its' the masochist in me....but I can't wait.

[RachelDawes]

I know for a fact that Warner Brothers went to Singer around...mid-late November '08 with the idea of moving forward with a sequel - which he was very apprehensive about doing at that point.

Consider me skeptical towards this latest chapter. Could be legit or it could be crap. So don't anyone start ****ting in their Huggies just yet!

It's interesting that a sequel was being pondered so recently. They could still go through with it with a different director. I can't say I'd be too excited about it but I'd take it just to see a Supes movie again.

[X Knight]

wait.....so they're really making a sequel to Superman Returns????

[bgshw44]

It sounds like you're very adamant about seeing Superman again, but do you realize that if they go ahead with a half-baked plan and it fails we won't see any Superman movies for some time? The Incredible Hulk, regardless of my opinion on it, barely made a domestic profit for Marvel Studios. Punisher: War Zone, a similar reboot, didn't even make back the funds it took to make. Superman got more of a shot with his last film than Hulk did, but that doesn't mean he'll get another if the filmmakers don't know what they're doing with the character (ex: calling it a "re-quel") and just push out another movie. I'd rather they make a good film that clearly shows why Superman has been around as the face of the DC universe for more than 70 years.


i never said keep singer or the writers. bring new people in, but iim saying you can make a terrific superman movie without rebooting the thing again

[Nixon]

Why was Singer apprehensive about a sequel at that point?


Probably the tighter reigns and greater control over the film that WB would insist on. That, and that he wouldn't get to work with his people.

[bgshw44]

Maybe its' the masochist in me....but I can't wait.

me either, superman is back folks!! \S/

i am always optimistic until they give me a reason not to be, so in the mean time, i am soaking this all in!

[Christmas]

I don't want my hopes to get too high, but I mean, how real could this be? Until the press release is being read by all of us, it's not real but is the behind the scenes machinery moving? Are singer's producers working out a deal I wonder? Is Legendary and Dc pressing the higher ups at WB to move ahead with Singer and or a Routhboot? Is WB' seemingly helpless position in finding a new director and writers making them want to go back to Singer?

What a crazy addendum to the 'Superman in film book' this is all going to make one day.

[Spade]

i never said keep singer or the writers. bring new people in, but iim saying you can make a terrific superman movie without rebooting the thing again

You separate all previous continuity from the new work in a reboot. Superman Returns was steeped in the continuity of Donner's Superman films. It wasn't a reboot.

[bgshw44]

You separate all previous continuity from the new work in a reboot. Superman Returns was steeped in the continuity of Donner's Superman films. It wasn't a reboot.

in the eyes of the publc it was a new superman film, i dotn ccare if it was a reboot or not. there are only so many times you can have a new film. the general audience doesnt care as looks like a good movie and has some big names

[RachelDawes]

It sounds like you're very adamant about seeing Superman again, but do you realize that if they go ahead with a half-baked plan and it fails we won't see any Superman movies for some time? The Incredible Hulk, regardless of my opinion on it, barely made a domestic profit for Marvel Studios. Punisher: War Zone, a similar reboot, didn't even make back the funds it took to make. Superman got more of a shot with his last film than Hulk did, but that doesn't mean he'll get another if the filmmakers don't know what they're doing with the character (ex: calling it a "re-quel") and just push out another movie. I'd rather they make a good film that clearly shows why Superman has been around as the face of the DC universe for more than 70 years.

Same here but if we wait for WB to get the ball rolling on a reboot we may be waiting for another decade. :csad: That's why I'm willing to accept a loose sequel to SR with a new director and writers.

Probably the tighter reigns and greater control over the film that WB would insist on. That, and that he wouldn't get to work with his people.

Yes, I just saw Jamie's response. That's why I edited my post. :yay:

[Webhead2006]

i doubt that will be what the next film will be about. The description was pretty much the same old crap they keep feeding us since Sr came out in 06. Who knows how things will end up. Since nothing is 100% confirmed.

[FilmNerdJamie]

It would seem that Warner Brothers and/or Legendary Pictures basically told Singer, "OK, Bryan. We're going to find the writer(s) and settle on the story for the sequel. Once that's decided upon, you can decide whether or not you want to direct it."

This of course is a complete 180 of how it was done with Superman Returns.

Considering that Singer is getting paid regardless of his participation, there's no way he's going to be willing to lose all the power he was given for Returns and Valkyrie on the sequel at this point.

[Superark]

The thing about this news and Legendary post is that it will get a lot of people digging and getting in contact with their sources.

So I reckon we will start getting some answers one way or the other fairly soon. That is good news

[bgshw44]

The thing about this news and Legendary post is that it will get a lot of people digging and getting in contact with their sources.

So I reckon we will start getting some answers one way or the other fairly soon. That is good news


great point. people will be talking superman again!

[X Knight]

it seems......the gears are finally starting to turn.........

[Showtime]

i doubt that will be what the next film will be about. The description was pretty much the same old crap they keep feeding us since Sr came out in 06. Who knows how things will end up. Since nothing is 100% confirmed.


Well that isn't the synopsis for Batman 3 either, but it is still on there just like this Superman Unleashed is. Not only is it on the Legendary Website it is also in Production Weekly. So there is something to it, whatever that is we will find out sooner rather than later because as Ark said others will check their sources.

[bgshw44]

Well that isn't the synopsis for Batman 3 either, but it is still on there just like this Superman Unleashed is. Not only is it on the Legendary Website it is also in Production Weekly. So there is something to it, whatever that is we will find out sooner rather than later because as Ark said others will check their sources.


show that includes you!

[FlawlessVictory]

I'm not that putting THAT much stock into it. I understand it's on the site but there is an entry for 300 sequel for christ's sake. Snyder has been asked about that multiple times and he has stated he has no interest unless Frank Miller writes a GN first. So how close do you think we are to getting that 300 sequel? Even if WB cuts out Snyder and decides to go elsewhere to get the 300 sequel, it won't be anytime soon. Plus there was talk about it being a prequel as well. Yet Legendary has it up as 300 sequel.

I think Legendary is just putting anything and everything on their site but not giving that much thought to it. They know another Superman movie will be made, but for now, they are just throwing it up as a Superman sequel.

[bgshw44]

I'm not that putting THAT much stock into it. I understand it's on the site but there is an entry for 300 sequel for christ's sake. Snyder has been asked about that multiple times and he has stated he has no interest unless Frank Miller writes a GN first. So how close do you think we are to getting that 300 sequel? Even if WB cuts out Snyder and decides to go elsewhere to get the 300 sequel, it won't be anytime soon. Plus there was talk about it being a prequel as well. Yet Legendary has it up as 300 sequel.

I think Legendary is just putting anything and everything on their site but not giving that much thought to it. They know another Superman movie will be made, but for now, they are just throwing it up as a Superman sequel.

but they specifically reference SR, these people flip half the bill they know whats going on and what direction they are going in

[Lighthouse]

Seeing as how they have a ton of other movies that are nowhere near production phase yet, I fail to see how this confirms anything.

[Superark]

It would seem that Warner Brothers and/or Legendary Pictures basically told Singer, "OK, Bryan. We're going to find the writer(s) and settle on the story for the sequel. Once that's decided upon, you can decide whether or not you want to direct it."

This of course is a complete 180 of how it was done with Superman Returns.

Considering that Singer is getting paid regardless of his participation, there's no way he's going to be willing to lose all the power he was given for Returns and Valkyrie on the sequel at this point.

I wonder if Singer would be willing to give up his writing credit all together and simply direct? Its possible

[FlawlessVictory]

Seeing as how they have a ton of other movies that are nowhere near production phase yet, I fail to see how this confirms anything.

Exactly. 300 sequel? Gimme a break. Don't hold your breath.

[FilmNerdJamie]

What writing credit?

[FilmNerdJamie]

You seem to forget a 300 follow-up has legitimately been in development. :huh:

[FlawlessVictory]

but they specifically reference SR, these people flip half the bill they know whats going on and what direction they are going in

It's been no secret that Legendary has always preferred a sequel to SR, Showtime has stated this. Legendary knows there will be another Superman movie. I don't think WB has decided exactly how that next movie will look like. Since Legendary knows a new Superman movie will eventually be made, they put it up as a sequel. Because it's their preference, and there is no solid confirmation that the next film will be a reboot, even though WB may lead that way. It's more preference than anything on Legendary's part but I don't see this as some definitive confirmation.

[FlawlessVictory]

You seem to forget a 300 follow-up has legitimately been in development. :huh:

Who is writing it? I ask sincerely. And why has Snyder made the comments he has, almost not wanting to deal with it unless certain circumstances are met.

[Lighthouse]

If it does end up being a sequel, even though I really don't like the SR storyline, I'd rather see Bryan Singer do it. I have no interest in seeing a movie with a storyline I hate, AND a studio puppet as a director.

[FlawlessVictory]

You seem to forget a 300 follow-up has legitimately been in development. :huh:

I'm highly doubtful on Akira as well. I remember the press release way back when, WB was originally aiming for 2010. How far along is that?

[FilmNerdJamie]

Who is writing it? I ask sincerely. And why has Snyder made the comments he has, almost not wanting to deal with it unless certain circumstances are met.

IESB broke it awhile back that it was Frank Miller (http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5562&Itemid=99).

Not to mention, here (http://www.collider.com/entertainment/interviews/article.asp/aid/8326/tcid/1) and here (http://www.collider.com/entertainment/news/article.asp/aid/8331/tcid/1) as well.

[Showtime]

I really don't get this. There has been no news, now we get a new title on Legendary as well as Production Weekly and it doesn't mean anything? It sure does mean SOMETHING. What that is, not quite sure yet. However, this isn't "non news".

[BenReilly]

Edit: I'm slow tonight.

If there is another 300 film, it technically will be a sequel, not a prequel. Snyder himself said so.

[FilmNerdJamie]

I'm highly doubtful on Akira as well. I remember the press release way back when, WB was originally aiming for 2010. How far along is that?

2009 and 2010 actually.

And just because something is in development doesn't 100% mean it will happen. Justice League: Mortal anyone?

The fact that the production company responsible for half of the funding has come out and said "Yes, the next Superman film is a sequel to Returns and we're moving forward on it" actually means something considering this is coming what...six months after Robinov's remarks - which again none of what he said was going to take place did.

[MAN O STEEL]

I really don't get this. There has been no news, now we get a new title on Legendary as well as Production Weekly and it doesn't mean anything? It sure does mean SOMETHING. What that is, not quite sure yet. However, this isn't "non news".



Everything is "Non news" until official word is heared & a start date is official. It's all just specualtion at this point. This new piece of "Evidence" means nothing.




Steve

[Showtime]

Everything is "Non news" until official word is heared & a start date is official. It's all just specualtion at this point. This new piece of "Evidence" means nothing.

Steve

It means more than any other rumor we have heard lately since it is Production Weekly and Legendary. If the W Bros were worth talking about for days on end, this certainly is.

[RachelDawes]

I'm not that putting THAT much stock into it. I understand it's on the site but there is an entry for 300 sequel for christ's sake. Snyder has been asked about that multiple times and he has stated he has no interest unless Frank Miller writes a GN first. So how close do you think we are to getting that 300 sequel? Even if WB cuts out Snyder and decides to go elsewhere to get the 300 sequel, it won't be anytime soon. Plus there was talk about it being a prequel as well. Yet Legendary has it up as 300 sequel.

I think Legendary is just putting anything and everything on their site but not giving that much thought to it. They know another Superman movie will be made, but for now, they are just throwing it up as a Superman sequel.

Well, Jamie said that WB approached Singer as late as Nov 08 about a sequel, so it's clearly still a possibility.

[FlawlessVictory]

IESB broke it awhile back that it was Frank Miller (http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5562&Itemid=99).

Thanks for the link. Well, color me disappointed. A 300 sequel is so ridiculously unnecessary. I thought this thing would never see the light of day, especially with Snyder insisting that Miller write the GN first.

[FilmNerdJamie]

Seriously, fellas...

http://i688.photobucket.com/albums/vv243/FilmNerdJamie/Avoid.jpg

[Superark]

What writing credit?


I did not word that very well. What I mean to ask is I wonder if Singer is willing to not have any input in the writing at all for the next film and soley direct? I mean would he be allowed to have a little input in the story but be kept away from the writing?

[FlawlessVictory]

2009 and 2010 actually.

And just because something is in development doesn't 100% mean it will happen. Justice League: Mortal anyone?

The fact that the production company responsible for half of the funding has come out and said "Yes, the next Superman film is a sequel to Returns and we're moving forward on it" actually means something considering this is coming what...six months after Robinov's remarks - which again none of what he said was going to take place did.

I'm very surprised that WB would be moving ahead on a sequel to a movie that will at least be 6 years old that didn't exactly light the world on fire. But then again, it IS WB. And if it says sequel then I can't buy into the Batman Forever approach.

[Lighthouse]

I fail to see the logic behind letting Bryan Singer go then. So they are going to hire a new director AND pay Bryan Singer for movie that's going to be a sequel anyway? I don't know, maybe Singer and WB finally worked something out and he will be directing.

[Showtime]

I'm very surprised that WB would be moving ahead on a sequel to a movie that will at least be 6 years old that didn't exactly light the world on fire. But then again, it IS WB. And if it says sequel then I can't buy into the Batman Forever approach.

I don't see this as being any type of direct sequel. I can't see Singer being the director either.

[MAN O STEEL]

It means more than any other rumor we have heard lately since it is Production Weekly and Legendary. If the W Bros were worth talking about for days on end, this certainly is.


Your a pretty level headed, smart guy Show, so pls tell me why do you think the president of Warners would come out saying they didn't think SR posirioned the charcter the way they wanted & that if it had worked they'd have had a sequel out by this yr, then post Superman Unleashed ( a sequel to the movie that they feel underperformed) on legendary's website?. Makes no sense. As I've said untill a start date & actors are in place it's all just the usual speculation as far as I see it




Steve

[FlawlessVictory]

I fail to see the logic behind letting Bryan Singer go then. So they are going to hire a new director AND pay Bryan Singer for movie that's going to be a sequel anyway? I don't know, maybe Singer and WB finally worked something out and he will be directing.

And what director would really want to carry on this story if it is indeed a sequel like Legendary states it is.

I love it, it is publically known that WB sought out other directors to reintroduce this character because the last one failed to do so, yet Singer would be brought back. Talk about coming back with your tail between your legs.

[FlawlessVictory]

I don't see this as being any type of direct sequel. I can't see Singer being the director either.

So another requel to a film that was already a requel? Clueless WB. :nono:

And if we are willing to accept the Legendary info is legit, than I guess we must accept it is a sequel, right? Because it's pretty clear that Legendary states it as a sequel. It doesn't say something along the lines of, "in a new beginning" or something that would hint at reintroduction.

[Superark]

2009 and 2010 actually.

And just because something is in development doesn't 100% mean it will happen. Justice League: Mortal anyone?

The fact that the production company responsible for half of the funding has come out and said "Yes, the next Superman film is a sequel to Returns and we're moving forward on it" actually means something considering this is coming what...six months after Robinov's remarks - which again none of what he said was going to take place did.

My memory is a little shotty right now, but what was everything Robinov said specifically that isn't happening? I know he mentioned the "reintroduction" but was there something else?


It means more than any other rumor we have heard lately since it is Production Weekly and Legendary. If the W Bros were worth talking about for days on end, this certainly is.


Yea I find it funny how some posters are immediately writing this off and down playing it, yet the W. Brothers rumor, which was nothing more than he said she said by some unnamed source, was talked about endlessly and with a lot of conviction. :whatever:

[FilmNerdJamie]

The "Pay or Play" deal was inked awhile back - October '06. It was signed with the clear intention that the Superman sequel was going to be Singer's next project after a long break in late '06.

However, he changed his mind and opted to do Valkyrie with an opposing studio in the meantime.

Thus this whole "Why would they agree to a deal with Bryan if he was never going to do it" argument is crap. No one had any idea that was going to happen.

[Lighthouse]

I don't see this as being any type of direct sequel. I can't see Singer being the director either.

What other kind of sequel could it be? I know people bring up Batman Forever and all that, but there were some pretty direct plot threads from Superman Returns. I don't see how it can be anything but a sequel, or some kind of reboot.

[FlawlessVictory]

Your a pretty level headed, smart guy Show, so pls tell me why do you think the president of Warners would come out saying they didn't think SR posirioned the charcter the way they wanted & that if it had worked they'd have had a sequel out by this yr, then post Superman Unleashed ( a sequel to the movie that they feel underperformed) on legendary's website?. Makes no sense. As I've said untill a start date & actors are in place it's all just the usual speculation as far as I see it




Steve

Honestly, because it's WB. It's that simple, really. Look at all the other crap Superman has gone through on film throughout the years.

[Showtime]

Your a pretty level headed, smart guy Show, so pls tell me why do you think the president of Warners would come out saying they didn't think SR posirioned the charcter the way they wanted & that if it had worked they'd have had a sequel out by this yr, then post Superman Unleashed ( a sequel to the movie that they feel underperformed) on legendary's website?. Makes no sense. As I've said untill a start date & actors are in place it's all just the usual speculation as far as I see it

Steve

I wouldn't call this the usual speculation, the usual speculation is rumors posted by posters and webmasters. This is a little different. I'm not saying this is 100% the deal, but this isn't a rumor. It is on the site that co-financed Superman Returns and Production Weekly. So using my "smarts" this obviously isn't the "usual speculation".

[Lighthouse]

The "Pay or Play" deal was inked awhile back - October '06. It was signed with the clear intention that the Superman sequel was going to be Singer's next project after a long break in late '06.

However, he changed his mind and opted to do Valkyrie with an opposing studio in the meantime.

Thus this whole "Why would they agree to a deal with Bryan if he was never going to do it" argument is crap. No one had any idea that was going to happen.

So they still have to pay him, even though he changed his mind?

[Showtime]

So another requel to a film that was already a requel? Clueless WB. :nono:

And if we are willing to accept the Legendary info is legit, than I guess we must accept it is a sequel, right? Because it's pretty clear that Legendary states it as a sequel. It doesn't say something along the lines of, "in a new beginning" or something that would hint at reintroduction.

You can accept it however you want. What we have here like any other time is people who don't want it are finding ways to not believe it and people who want it are accepting it without questioning. It is the usual just from different sides.

I say just wait and see how it plays out, that way you know if this is old news that was uncovered by mistake or what not.

What makes it interesting is that it is on Legendary and in Production Weekly and Legendary just recently updated their site. Doesn't mean Superman Unleashed is coming out tomorrow and is a given, but to say it means nothing is short sited.

[FilmNerdJamie]

So they still have to pay him, even though he changed his mind?

"Pay or Play" = Regardless of whether or not the film gets made for whatever reason, so and so (in this case Bryan Singer) gets paid to the agreed-upon amount in the contract - which was apparently a good deal of money.

That isn't uncommon, my man.

[wellsy]

Well, Legendary always did prefer a sequel.

Man, this development is becoming Byzantine in its course.

[Christmas]

"Pay or Play" = Regardless of whether or not the film gets made for whatever reason, so and so (in this case Bryan Singer) gets paid to the agreed-upon amount in the contract - which was apparently a good deal of money.

That isn't uncommon, my man.


How long can WB hold out on paying him do you think Jamie?

[Superark]

Whether Singer gets to direct the next film or not, it sure must be nice to be him right now. He can/will get paid lots of money for nothing!

[FilmNerdJamie]

How long can WB hold out on paying him do you think Jamie?

They have to pay him regardless. No two ways around it.

[Lighthouse]

"Pay or Play" = Regardless of whether or not the film gets made for whatever reason, so and so (in this case Bryan Singer) gets paid to the agreed-upon amount in the contract - which was apparently a good deal of money.

That isn't uncommon, my man.

I can see that from the perspective if the studio cans the movie and pays him, but that they give him a contract for the movie, and he can say "Hey, I'm not going to do that movie, I'm going to do this other movie at a rival studio instead, and you're still going to pay me" just seems like the stupidest logic I've ever heard. I'm amazed that Hollywood works this way. Thank God, I'm not in that business.

[Christmas]

I'm not sure I still understand. I mean if they go into production on a new film without him, they will then send him a check? Where's the potential ending points where Singer no longer is under any contract with WB?

[FlawlessVictory]

They have to pay him regardless. No two ways around it.

Why WB felt compelled to sign him to that deal, I will never understand. It's not like SR was coming off banking $500 mil domestic for the studio. Not my money, so in the end it doesn't matter but damn WB can be so dumb. Was WB really afraid they were going to lose Singer to some other superhero franchise? I just don't get it. And they ended up losing him to Valkyrie anyway, LOL. Singer totally played WB. :hehe:

[FilmNerdJamie]

The dude just changed his mind. Nothing wrong with that. People do that all the time - including me and you.

[FlawlessVictory]

The dude just changed his mind. Nothing wrong with that. People do that all the time - including me and you.

Yea, but we don't have millions of dollars waiting for us, no matter what, regardless if we change our mind or not. :woot:

[FilmNerdJamie]

Since it doesn't affect me or you, why do you care so much? :huh:

Seriously, dude. Chill out. No offense.

[hockeyboy89]

I can see that from the perspective if the studio cans the movie and pays him, but that they give him a contract for the movie, and he can say "Hey, I'm not going to do that movie, I'm going to do this other movie at a rival studio instead, and you're still going to pay me" just seems like the stupidest logic I've ever heard. I'm amazed that Hollywood works this way. Thank God, I'm not in that business.


Happens everyday in sports. They get a whatever year deal, get fired and they get paid the entire length of the contract.

[FlawlessVictory]

Since it doesn't affect me or you, why do you care so much? :huh:

Seriously, dude. Chill out. No offense.

Seriously, DUDE, I was joking. Did you not see the smiley at the end? :huh:

[hockeyboy89]

Yea, but we don't have millions of dollars waiting for us, no matter what, regardless if we change our mind or not. :woot:

This prolly worked best for both sides. WB wasn't totally happy with the end product of SR, and Singer wasn't happy about how things went down. WB signed him to his multi picture deal and I can simply see this as a cooling off period. What's so complicated???

As for those thinking 6 years is too far in between for a sequel, Terminator 2 anyone?

[FilmNerdJamie]

You've constantly been trying to find something to argue against this news (i.e. "300 sequel?!? That's BS!") Now it's the "Pay or Play" deal with Singer and you're making a judgment call against the dude for changing his mind.

Again. Chill out, my friend.

http://i688.photobucket.com/albums/vv243/FilmNerdJamie/Avoid.jpg

[FlawlessVictory]

You've constantly been trying to find something to argue against this news (i.e. "300 sequel?!? That's BS!") Now it's the "Pay or Play" deal with Singer and you're making a judgment call against the dude for changing his mind.

Again. Chill out, my friend.



Constantly? I questioned 300 and Akira and you provided the link for the 300 news, and I accepted that this Legendary thing is a legit. Am I still debating its authenticity? And then I mentioned one thing about his contract, the other being a joke. Why are you getting all defensive about Singer now? Why do you care so much what I say about him and his deal? This is all Superman related, I'm allowed so say such things, no?

[Lighthouse]

Happens everyday in sports. They get a whatever year deal, get fired and they get paid the entire length of the contract.

I'm just surprised that the studio would give away that much power. It boggles my mind you can make a contract like that, and could literally the next day decide not to do it and still receive the money.

[bgshw44]

i was always under the impression jamie that all that meant was they had to offer it to him, if he declines then he loses out?

amyway its not my money i dont care, i look forward to start hearing some more news, who will write/direct and maybe a time frame for release!

[hockeyboy89]

I'm just surprised that the studio would give away that much power. It boggles my mind you can make a contract like that, and could literally the next day decide not to do it and still receive the money.

I agree, but being a huge sports fan I see coaches get big deals after winning somewhere (X-Men), then turn that into a huge payday for another team (Superman) and when they lose (SR) they still get the dough. Not saying it makes sense, it is what it is.

[batman44]

So now we are getting a reboot sequel of some kind? I'm alittle confused rightnow.

[FilmNerdJamie]

Constantly? I questioned 300 and Akira and you provided the link for the 300 news, and I accepted that this Legendary thing is a legit. Am I still debating its authenticity? And then I mentioned one thing about his contract, the other being a joke. Why are you getting all defensive about Singer now? Why do you care so much what I say about him and his deal? This is all Superman related, I'm allowed so say such things, no?

http://i688.photobucket.com/albums/vv243/FilmNerdJamie/Fockers.jpg

Yeah, and after I gave evidence you moved on to something else to complain about. And I'm being "defensive" of Singer because you've made it a big deal towards him deciding to do something else than originally planned and agreed upon. If you're simply joking, why keep harping on it as much as you have? :huh:

Seriously, what's the point? You're going to just keep going and going (and going...) about this. Let's drop it and move on.

[FlawlessVictory]

Yeah, and after I gave evidence you moved on to something else to complain about. And I'm being "defensive" of Singer because you've made it a big deal towards him deciding to do something else than originally planned and agreed upon. If you're simply joking, why keep harping on it as much as you have? :huh:

Seriously, what's the point? You're going to just keep going and going (and going...) about this. Let's drop it and move on.

Yes, after you gave me evidence, I accepted it. That's wrong? I made one comment complaining about his deal. I'm not allowed to do so? Lighthouse has had similar comments, why single me out? And even in my comment, I mentioned its not my money anyway. And how is saying two things on on the deal, one joking, harping?

My point, Singer got a great deal, and my belief was WB did not need to sign him to that deal, IMO. Is that ok to say?

[FilmNerdJamie]

You're going to just keep going and going (and going...) about this. Let's drop it and move on.

^Read above statement. For any further questions and/or remarks pertaining to this specific discussion, please read above statement...and let it sink in.

[FlawlessVictory]

^Read above statement. For any further questions and/or remarks pertaining to this specific discussion, please read above statement...and let it sink in.

FNJ, you can post that until the cows come home. I am here to discuss Superman related news and I have done so, abiding by the rules in the process. Not sure why you are so hung up on me all of a sudden. I'm trying to figure that out, and then let that sink in. :yay:

[Webhead2006]

Well hopefully the various news/entertainment sites can get down to the full details on the news so we can get things straight about what the heck is going on or not going on. As for singer and a play for pay deal i heard a variety of things on that reguarding if he did have that deal or not, but i dont know what all the details are. Though you all know i personally would like to see a full on reboot to clean slate everything so wb can step away from everything that didnt fly well in SR.

[Kokomo29]

You and me both, Webhead.

[mego joe]

I liked the Plane rescue scene alright, but the scene I really liked was when Supes lifted the sinking yacht out of the water. He wasnt only lifting the yacht, but all the water in it.

I preferred the Yacht scene as well. It was actually something I felt I hadn't seen before.

[mego joe]

that drives me nuts as well. after everything with SR, if it was released late summer ala BB or TDK we would be having a sequel and talking about the trailer that was just released

YOur memory must be slipping, SR came out a week later in the Summer than Batman Begins- SR was June 26 I believe and BB was June 15.

BTW- I think blaming SR's underperformance b/c of Pirates is a cop out. If Spider-Man 3, Pirates and Shreck could all make their money, there's no reason a great Superman film couldn't make it against Pirates. It's simply that SR was not a great Superman film. There's nothing to blame but the film itself for underperforming.

[mego joe]

Would you expect the crowd at the ball game to boo:huh:

I found the reaction of the crowd to be extremely genuine, and believable.



I think there should have been a secondary reaction with the crowd realizing that Superman was back and while he saved the plane there were larger issues at hand b/c of his absence. This is what the film should have focussed on - Superman and the world at large instead of the deadbeat dad/ boyfriend stroyline.



Same reaction here.

Though it may be the best SR has to offer; it is also rather uninspiring for me.

:)

[mego joe]

I think it would be impossible for SR to be on TDK's level because the plot, action, and villian simply weren't nearly as interesting.

So true! Now if the plot had actually focussed on SUperman and the world moving on instead of the deadbeat boyfriend angel, we've got a totally different film.

[mego joe]

The Jason element alone dragged SR down since I have no interest in seeing superheroes interacting with their kids. Most of the rest of SR's story involved his affair with Lois, and the romantic subplot of any comic book movie is usually the least interesting part. I wish SR had been more about Superman actually finding himself (preferably while fighting a supervillain) and less about his family.



Those scenes definitely would've improved the movie, but Lex was doomed as long as the real estate scheme was left in. It's just not that clever or threatening.



Probably true.

We have a winner!

[mego joe]

I think S.R. would have been much better if it would have shown a corporate Lex taking the place of Superman while he was gone.

Lex could have still went to the fortress and stolen the crystals at the beginning, but instead of creating more real estate, he would have created cures for diseases, weapons, new tech, etc, all to gain the peoples trust. He would also have created Lex-corp from the proceeds. (the scene with he and Mrs. vanderworth s/p?, GONE)

Lex secretly thinks of the masses as sheep, but plays his part to perfection to achieve his true calling(he thinks), the presidency of the U.S. He surrounds himself with trusted bodyguards. Mercy, John Corbin.

All the while Lex would be reminding the public that Supes abandoned them, betrayed them, but he (Lex) hasnt nor ever would.

The public bites and soon forgets the M.O.S.

Lex uses intergang to control crime, all the while being the one that is secretly controlling the gangs that are committing the crimes.

Lex's picture's now replace Superman's on the front pages of newspapers across America and the world. Headlines like ''Lex cures _ disease'', ''Lex donates millions'', ''Metropolis a Utopia'', etc etc.

When Superman had returned, that would have truly been a world that had moved on....

Basically, SR would have been better if it had been a totally different movie!

[Webhead2006]

Yea i am so dam sick of this flip floping is this happening or not happening for next film. I just wished for hell of it wb would confirm and comitt to a film already. I hate all the dam is it going to be sequel, a total reboot, a prequel, a routhboot. I just want a set direction already.

[BenReilly]

So true! Now if the plot had actually focussed on SUperman and the world moving on instead of the deadbeat boyfriend angel, we've got a totally different film.

We have a winner!

Basically, SR would have been better if it had been a totally different movie!

Mego Joe... are you going to quote every single person in this thread, just to make the same point ad nauseum?

You didn't like Superman Returns. We get it.

[mego joe]

What other kind of sequel could it be? I know people bring up Batman Forever and all that, but there were some pretty direct plot threads from Superman Returns. I don't see how it can be anything but a sequel, or some kind of reboot.

MOstly the same cast, Routh, Langella, SPacey and Huntingdon- New Lois and just don't include Richard and Jason at all. Same produciton look and feel. That certainly seems like somewhere in the middle to me.

[Webhead2006]

That could happen but we still have to see if wb makes any official calls soon confirming sequel is the ruote they are going or if they are doing reboot. All this crap past 3 years is getting so dam annoying and i wish wb can get on the ball already.

[Nightwing1977]

It's interesting to note that Superman was created during the depression of the 1930s, as a blue-collar country boy who stood up to a succession of unscupulous white-collar villains.



I heard that supposely Siegel & Shuster created Superman as some kind of way of letting their hate out on Hitler. And the fact they're Jewish too. At least that what I heard, so I don't know.



Consider me skeptical towards this latest chapter. Could be legit or it could be crap. So don't anyone start ****ting in their Huggies just yet!



Thank god I wear plain boxer-brief. No Huggies for me! :p

But the recent news is getting very interesting. Then again, I'll wait & hear what the real story is on this.

as long as its a good movie, i dont have a problem with it being in that type of continuity. ( i just want it to be a muchhhhhhhhh better superman movie then bf was a batman movie)

Same here. They don't need to make it a direct sequel. Just make it another Superman movie & you don't have to acknowledge everything in SR.



show that includes you!



At least you didn't mention Steve Manning. ;)

So true! Now if the plot had actually focussed on SUperman and the world moving on instead of the deadbeat boyfriend angel, we've got a totally different film.

It just sad that you hate SR so much that you always come up with using excuse of using the wrong word such as "deadbeat dad" like it's a fact when you don't know a damn thing what the true meaning of it is. Seriously, some will hate a movie too extreme that they use a poor word to describe a character. Even when the word is wrong. :whatever:

[Webhead2006]

Yea in my mind and i know others feel this the kid subplot really put them in a corner and not alot of things they could do about the superkid. That is why a full on reboot i think would be better ruote to go so they can wipe everything clean and have no dam baggage to worry about and have new story/setting/etc....

[Superark]

This is the first time in a long time that I felt like there has been a glimmer of good news regarding the Superman franchise.

I'm still a little skeptical about how this Lengendary item means, but there is no denying it is valid.

[FaT_tONle]

I read through the thread and kind of concur with Flawless earlier... I am not buying this update. Until we get word from Robinov or someone like that only then will I believe it. Superman Unleashed??? How the **** am I suppose to take that working title seriously? Sounds like a working title for a video game like someone mentioned before. Maybe my ignorance... but it wouldn't suprise me if we are sitting here a year from now going back and forth with the speculation. Showtime told me a while back "I am totally wrong about and we'll hear something soon." Well I am still waiting. I don't see how we are getting a new Superman film before 2012 earliest and I am sticking to that.

[DavidTyler]

I'm sorry as nice as the plane scene was, lois should of either been dead or in critical condition. the way she was thrown around that plane and the speed it was going no way she wouldnt of been seriously hurt

And why the hell did she faint... like she's never seen Superman do his thing before ... or she's never seen him come back from something before?

The faint was there to provide a comiedic capper to the scene and it was ham-fisted at that.

[FlawlessVictory]

I read through the thread and kind of concur with Flawless earlier... I am not buying this update. Until we get word from Robinov or someone like that only then will I believe it. Superman Unleashed??? How the **** am I suppose to take that working title seriously? Sounds like a working title for a video game like someone mentioned before. Maybe my ignorance... but it wouldn't suprise me if we are sitting here a year from now going back and forth with the speculation. Showtime told me a while back "I am totally wrong about and we'll hear something soon." Well I am still waiting. I don't see how we are getting a new Superman film before 2012 earliest and I am sticking to that.

My knee jerk reaction was to call it fake, because it was so cheesy, evrything about it looked fanmade. However, Showtime posted this:

http://alexlitel.blogspot.com/2009/02/electric-stories-that-will-surely-blow.html

And as you can see, all the statements on their upcoming movie slate, sound pretty cheesy. I'm not questioning its validity now. But, I am still skeptical we are getting this anytime soon. Because, I don't expect the 300 sequel and Akira anytime soon and those are listed on the site as well. And the more time passes, the more the chance of a direct sequel to SR happening get less and less.

Showtime mentioned, this "sequel" could be Batman Forever-esque as well. Part of me thinks, the exact nature of this next film has not been decided yet, and Legendary is just listing it as a sequel, since that was always their preference. As far as I know, writers have not even been hired yet, at least the 300 sequel and Akira have writers attached. I agree with 2012 as most likely being the time we will get the next Superman film. What exact form that movie will take, who knows. I don't even think WB knows for sure yet. :csad:

[bgshw44]

why was the information removed from the legendary site??? its hard for me to believe that info was outdated since the site was updated pretty recently i believe.

we need clarification!!

[dark_b]

And why the hell did she faint... like she's never seen Superman do his thing before ... or she's never seen him come back from something before?

The faint was there to provide a comiedic capper to the scene and it was ham-fisted at that.
the only reason she fainted is because it was a homage to S:TM. like 50 % of the movie :hehe:

[Showtime]

My knee jerk reaction was to call it fake, because it was so cheesy, evrything about it looked fanmade. However, Showtime posted this:

http://alexlitel.blogspot.com/2009/02/electric-stories-that-will-surely-blow.html

And as you can see, all the statements on their upcoming movie slate, sound pretty cheesy. I'm not questioning its validity now. But, I am still skeptical we are getting this anytime soon. Because, I don't expect the 300 sequel and Akira anytime soon and those are listed on the site as well. And the more time passes, the more the chance of a direct sequel to SR happening get less and less.

Showtime mentioned, this "sequel" could be Batman Forever-esque as well. Part of me thinks, the exact nature of this next film has not been decided yet, and Legendary is just listing it as a sequel, since that was always their preference. As far as I know, writers have not even been hired yet, at least the 300 sequel and Akira have writers attached. I agree with 2012 as most likely being the time we will get the next Superman film. What exact form that movie will take, who knows. I don't even think WB knows for sure yet. :csad:

The Legendary thing seemed pretty sketchy, turned out it was legit, on top of that we have that little tidbit for production weekly. There is something called Superman Unleashed being thrown around. What that is I really don't know. Was it an old idea, a new idea, but it is obviously something. It isn't made up, it isn't fake. It was either a previous incarnation or something they just launched.

Reason Legendary took it down was because it wasn't ready to come out possibly.
I read through the thread and kind of concur with Flawless earlier... I am not buying this update. Until we get word from Robinov or someone like that only then will I believe it. Superman Unleashed??? How the **** am I suppose to take that working title seriously? Sounds like a working title for a video game like someone mentioned before. Maybe my ignorance... but it wouldn't suprise me if we are sitting here a year from now going back and forth with the speculation. Showtime told me a while back "I am totally wrong about and we'll hear something soon." Well I am still waiting. I don't see how we are getting a new Superman film before 2012 earliest and I am sticking to that.

I said what about what now? "Totally wrong" about what.

[RachelDawes]

What other kind of sequel could it be? I know people bring up Batman Forever and all that, but there were some pretty direct plot threads from Superman Returns. I don't see how it can be anything but a sequel, or some kind of reboot.

Yeah, while I'd normally like a loose sequel the presence of the kid is awkward. Something's going to have to be done with him.

[RachelDawes]

MOstly the same cast, Routh, Langella, SPacey and Huntingdon- New Lois and just don't include Richard and Jason at all. Same produciton look and feel. That certainly seems like somewhere in the middle to me.

That's tough. Won't the GA wonder what happened to Richard and the kid? Aargh, SR dug us into a hole.

I'd also prefer it if Spacey didn't come back.

[FlawlessVictory]

The Legendary thing seemed pretty sketchy, turned out it was legit, on top of that we have that little tidbit for production weekly. There is something called Superman Unleashed being thrown around. What that is I really don't know. Was it an old idea, a new idea, but it is obviously something. It isn't made up, it isn't fake. It was either a previous incarnation or something they just launched.

Reason Legendary took it down was because it wasn't ready to come out possibly.

I'm not familiar with Production Weekly. Is that a publication that lists movies that are about to go into production? If a movie is on there, is that a certainty that movie will go into production? And what's the time period if a movie appears on there? Does that mean the movie expects to go into in production in the next year, two years, etc.. Is there a timeframe usually when a movie appears on there?

Thanks.

[what_19]

i'm just happy we have some news...haha even if its a vague sequel to some news we had last year...and the year before that

[X Knight]

well, I think WB will be a fool if they decide to make a direct sequel to SR. However, I've come to the point where it won't bother me anymore, as I've worked out a very simple solution........I JUST WON'T SEE THE MOVIE!! :o:woot:

anyways, I do hope that this latest news is for real, and that we kind finally start moving forward, regardless of the destination.

on the side.....I'd love to see an Akira movie. Weren't they also planning to make a Macross/Robotech movie, and a Neon-Genesis Evangelion movie?

Heck....I'd like to see a new Guyver movie.........but that's just me.....:o

now back to the subject of Superman......

[I Am The Knight]

Honestly, I think the time for a sequel has passed. And I like the idea of leaving SR in that "special spot" where it's a unique thing.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I just read through the pages I missed and still haven't come to a conclusion. Is WB changing their minds again or what?

I've already stated that if they make a sequel of any sort to SR that I'm not seeing it in theaters...unless I win tickets to it.

[Sam]

There is something called Superman Unleashed being thrown around. What that is I really don't know. Was it an old idea, a new idea, but it is obviously something.

Could Legendary description be any more generic?

I mean, it says absolutely nothing. "Superman movie, blah, blah, blah, action like no other super-hero movie".

It says nothing. Looks like a it was taken from a hotlist of projects Legendary wants to develop, but not that it is in story develop stage. For me, looks an old description, from an old conception, looking fwd to make a sequel back in 2006, like every studio plans to make sequels of franchises.

[Showtime]

If that is the case, than why is it also in Production Weekly this week, that is my next question.

[NeoRanger]

^^ I don't know if it's old or new, but how generic it is is what made an impression on me as well. Meaning that even if it's new, it doesn't necessarily confirm so much a sequel per se, as a new Superman movie, which was delayed until now.

[bgshw44]

If that is the case, than why is it also in Production Weekly this week, that is my next question.

i was just going to say that, also wasnt the legendary site updated recently? so it would be hard for me to believe it is outdated. showtime, what exatly is production weekly? the movies in it, what qualifications do they have to have in terms of how far along they are/how do movies get in there?

[Nightwing1977]

why was the information removed from the legendary site??? its hard for me to believe that info was outdated since the site was updated pretty recently i believe.

we need clarification!!

Yep. If Superman Unleashed is not happending, why was it posted in the first place along with several movies in the work if SR sequel not happending as some think? And why they remove the page now if the film not going to happend? Some don't care if an old news that is invalid is still on a website. I can't believe plenty of new questions & head scratching is growing even more now. :huh:

[I SEE SPIDEY]

^I have no choice but to think as of right now WB is developing a sequel of some sort.

[Sam]

If that is the case, than why is it also in Production Weekly this week, that is my next question.

What is project description from Production Weekly? I cant see it.

[FlawlessVictory]

^I have no choice but to think as of right now WB is developing a sequel of some sort.

Imagine after all this we end up getting a straight sequel to SR, LOL. Well, like you though, I definitely won't be paying to see it.

[Showtime]

^^ I don't know if it's old or new, but how generic it is is what made an impression on me as well. Meaning that even if it's new, it doesn't necessarily confirm so much a sequel per se, as a new Superman movie, which was delayed until now.

Well so was Batman 3. The reason being, there is no story for either.

i was just going to say that, also wasnt the legendary site updated recently? so it would be hard for me to believe it is outdated. showtime, what exatly is production weekly? the movies in it, what qualifications do they have to have in terms of how far along they are/how do movies get in there?

Production Weekly reports movie status, if a movie ends up happening or not happening later, that is up to the studio.

^I have no choice but to think as of right now WB is developing a sequel of some sort.

I don't know what to think. Something is happening.

What is project description from Production Weekly? I cant see it.

Pay the 60 bucks. :yay:

[Showtime]

Imagine after all this we end up getting a straight sequel to SR, LOL. Well, like you though, I definitely won't be paying to see it.

If anything, a quasi sequel. If that. I don't know. This is all very odd to me.

[Showtime]

I'm not familiar with Production Weekly. Is that a publication that lists movies that are about to go into production? If a movie is on there, is that a certainty that movie will go into production? And what's the time period if a movie appears on there? Does that mean the movie expects to go into in production in the next year, two years, etc.. Is there a timeframe usually when a movie appears on there?

Thanks.

No timeframe, just gives status updates on movies. I believe the info comes from the studios though. I'd have to do some research.

[dark_b]

^I have no choice but to think as of right now WB is developing a sequel of some sort.whait until tuesday. then WB iwll again start asking Bay,W brothers and of course Nolan to direct the new superman movie.

[Sam]

Pay the 60 bucks. :yay:

hehehe

There is a lot of news websites that could do it ;)

I mean, if someone hacked Legendary website and got information, get it from Production Weekly should be much easier to make avaiable!

[FlawlessVictory]

If anything, a quasi sequel. If that. I don't know. This is all very odd to me.

I feel in a way they should either do a straight reboot or straight sequel. It's getting confusing. SR was already a quasi sequel.

But admittedly, I would be cool with a Superman film that kept Routh, and dropped the characters of Jason and Richard and just was its own story.

[FlawlessVictory]

hehehe

There is a lot of news websites that could do it ;)

I mean, if someone hacked Legendary website and got information, get it from Production Weekly should be much easier to make avaiable!

I'm pretty sure the Legendary website was not hacked. That was reported incorrectly. Someone just registered with the site and then was granted access.

[X Knight]

just what we need.....a quasi-sequel to a vague sequel.....

[I SEE SPIDEY]

just what we need.....a quasi-sequel to a vague sequel.....Yippie!:csad:

If they make a sequel I hope for the sake of the fans of SR that it's a direct one, they damn sure shouldn't confuse us anymore than we already are.

whait until tuesday. then WB iwll again start asking Bay,W brothers and of course Nolan to direct the new superman movie.I'm not really buying that after Oscars news thing. I think thats just the fanboys hopes and dreams.

[Showtime]

I'm pretty sure the Legendary website was not hacked. That was reported incorrectly. Someone just registered with the site and then was granted access.

I think what happened is that the person signed up to the site and was able to access a section that was supposed to be locked, hence why they have now taken it down...I believe.

hehehe

There is a lot of news websites that could do it ;)

I mean, if someone hacked Legendary website and got information, get it from Production Weekly should be much easier to make avaiable!

Surprised nobody has yet.

I feel in a way they should either do a straight reboot or straight sequel. It's getting confusing. SR was already a quasi sequel.

But admittedly, I would be cool with a Superman film that kept Routh, and dropped the characters of Jason and Richard and just was its own story.

I really have no idea. Jamie and I have been floating the semi sequel around for awhile because WB was playing with that and a reboot for awhile. However, I truthfully just don't know guys. This Superman: Unleashed phase is all news to me.

[FilmNerdJamie]

Slashfilm is saying that Unleashed is merely a working title, and that it's definitely a sequel to Returns.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Unleashed sounds like a working title so I wouldn't get too worked up about it.

[FilmNerdJamie]

And at the very least, this does match up what with we've heard about Routh staying on and Warner Brothers searching for a more "studio-friendly" director.

[Captain Planet!]

Please, please, for the love of Christopher Walken, Just let the Donner-verse go. Move on. It's time for CHANGE.

[GL's Light]

Superman Unleashed is in the same marketing mold as Batman Begins in conveying information very bluntly to the audience via the title.

[FilmNerdJamie]

If that's the case, then I say just call it "Superman Kicks A Lot of Ass This Time, We Swear!"

[GL's Light]

If that's the case, then I say just call it "Superman Kicks A Lot of Ass This Time, We Swear!"
That'll be the tagline.

[batman44]

I feel in a way they should either do a straight reboot or straight sequel. It's getting confusing. SR was already a quasi sequel.

But admittedly, I would be cool with a Superman film that kept Routh, and dropped the characters of Jason and Richard and just was its own story.

Agreed.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

And at the very least, this does match up what with we've heard about Routh staying on and Warner Brothers searching for a more "studio-friendly" director.True.

Please, please, for the love of Christopher Walken, Just let the Donner-verse go. Move on. It's time for CHANGE.Eh, if this sequel happens I don't see us ever getting another version of Superman.

I see underground criminal mastermind dofus Lex staying, the dumb girl at his side, Superman still being protrayed in the Reeve manor and any other Donner influence that was in SR. But this time I see all those things mixed up with more CGI Supervillain fights...thats good to some people and bad to others. Hopefully I'm wrong but I have a feeling that I'm not.

[batman44]

Well, atleast I still have the animated series.

[dark_b]

well Brandon is in shape. an action version of SR with brandon.............i would watch

yoda:interesting this is.

[dark_b]

well Brandon is in shape. an action version of SR with brandon.............i would watch

yoda:interesting this is.

[bgshw44]

True.

Eh, if this sequel happens I don't see us ever getting another version of Superman.

I see underground criminal mastermind dofus Lex staying, the dumb girl at his side, Superman still being protrayed in the Reeve manor and any other Donner influence that was in SR. But this time I see all those things mixed up with more CGI Supervillain fights...thats good to some people and bad to others. Hopefully I'm wrong but I have a feeling that I'm not.

i disagree, i think lex will be moved over to the corporate side. however i do see things staying such as the theme, the design of the fortress etc. i do truely believe you can move away and update the character in the sequel without it seeming out of olace, just the natural evolution of the characters.

[Nixon]

If anything, a quasi sequel. If that. I don't know. This is all very odd to me.


I dunno, assuming this is something that's talking about current plans (have we figured out if this is current yet?), I think this just might be them talking about a Routhboot without benefit of the term "Routhboot".

[bgshw44]

Slashfilm is saying that Unleashed is merely a working title, and that it's definitely a sequel to Returns.

How reliable are they jamie? for them to put their stake in the ground they must be pretty confident as to the current thinking. add that to production weekly there definately seems to be serious movement going at warners. are they closer then we think?

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Well, atleast I still have the animated series.If WB have finally made up their minds, (not bloody likely)my sentiments exactly.

i disagree, i think lex will be moved over to the corporate side. however i do see things staying such as the theme, the design of the fortress etc. i do truely believe you can move away and update the character in the sequel without it seeming out of olace, just the natural evolution of the characters.We will see but I just don't have any faith that much will change if they decide to go the sequel route.

[GL's Light]

Interesting that this comes so soon after the Wachowskis rumor.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

That rumor has been debunked.

[FlawlessVictory]

Well, atleast I still have the animated series.

:up:

[GL's Light]

That rumor has been debunked.
Drew McWeeny said his contacts at WB haven't heard anything about it, and nobody could verify one way or the other whether McTeigue had made that supposed appearance and said the things ascribed to him. But I don't know that it's been definitely debunked beyond that (although it was always a report that I took with a huge grain of salt).

[bgshw44]

We will see but I just don't have any faith that much will change if they decide to go the sequel route.

i do until they give me a reason not to

[FaT_tONle]

I said what about what now? "Totally wrong" about what.

Like six months back I said I don't think we'll be getting confirmation on anything any time soon, and you are like "You don't know anything... you are wrong... we will hear something soon." And we haven't heard anything since... unless you want to count this production slate that includes 301 and WOW along with this Superman Unleashed. If WB wants or is thinking 2012... why the hell is anyone expecting news about this project this early?

[FilmNerdJamie]

If WB wants or is thinking 2012... why the hell is anyone expecting news about this project this early?

Probably because they're looking more towards 2011? :huh:

[bgshw44]

Probably because they're looking more towards 2011? :huh:

is xmas 2010 out of the question?

[FilmNerdJamie]

All I'm saying is now that Nolan is up to his eyeballs on Inception for 2010. There's a much slimmer chance of Batman III hitting cinemas for 2011 as originally thought - leaving a slot open for the next Superman film.

This was said not too long back. I guess nobody took to putting one and one together...

[bgshw44]

All I'm saying is now that Nolan is up to his eyeballs on Inception for 2010. There's a much slimmer chance of Batman III hitting cinemas for 2011 as originally thought - leaving a slot open for the next Superman film.

This was said not too long back. I guess nobody took to putting one and one together...

no thats what i thought as well, i guess xmas 2010 is sooner and therefore something i was wondering was possibly in the cards because dont they have harry potter and terminator for 2011 summer?

[I SEE SPIDEY]

i do until they give me a reason not toThe reason I don't think so is because they could have distanced themselves the first time. Before Superman Returns the last Superman movie came out in 1987. 2006 would have been the perfect time to truely revamp the character without any memory of the last little seen disaster but instead of a revamp we got a psudeo sequel to Superman 1 and a half. If they past up the perfect chance to truely revamp the character what makes you think they will suddenly decide that it's a good idea only five to seven years after the last Superman film?

I think that the changes will be superficial atbest. I think that the only real change will be the CGI added fights with a Supervillian under a different director. Not good enough for me.

[GL's Light]

Yes, I'd say Christmas 2010 is out of the question for Superman. Nolan making Inception doesn't necessarily move the next Batman film back from summer 2011, especially considering the schedule he kept with The Prestige and The Dark Knight, but Warners may want to have Superman far enough along in development that they have the option of swapping summers for Batman and Superman if need be.

[FilmNerdJamie]

Showtime and I thought something was up with Batman III when they went ahead and announced plans for the Terminator: Salvation sequel for 2011 a few months back.

[FilmNerdJamie]

It's not the same as The Prestige being made between Batman Begins and The Dark Knight.

Nolan was working on Prestige while he was wrapping up on Begins and had already said it was going to be his next film. This time around he took a long vacation with his wife and children after Knight opened and remained mum on his plans - other than to say it would probably be something other than Batman III.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I always find it funny when they announce sequels to movies that haven't even come out.

[FaT_tONle]

Probably because they're looking more towards 2011? :huh:

I don't see 2011 happening. Just because of the competition... Holiday 2011 I don't see either because WB has the Hobbit due out. No need for Supes. Spring 2011 is a possibility but I doubt they'd go March for Superman.

[FilmNerdJamie]

The sequel could easily fit in 2011. Returns didn't get going until late July/early August '04 and hit cinemas by June '06.

As for competition, very few seem to know what the Hell is going on with Spider-Man 4 - although I personally think it'll happen and for that year.

Pirates of the Caribbean 4 won't be hitting 2011, but 2012 - as per Bruckheimer. And The Avengers? Honestly, I think that will be delayed.

[bgshw44]

The sequel could easily fit in 2011. Returns didn't get going until late July/early August '04 and hit cinemas by June '06.

As for competition, very few seem to know what the Hell is going on with Spider-Man 4 - although I personally think it'll happen and for that year.

Pirates of the Caribbean 4 won't be hitting 2011, but 2012 - as per Bruckheimer. And The Avengers? Honestly, I think that will be delayed.

i could see SP4 if it does happen in may, terminator (assuming this one is a success) early summer and superman in late summer

how many potter films are left and when are they scheduled to come out?

[FaT_tONle]

The sequel could easily fit in 2011. Returns didn't get going until late July/early August '04 and hit cinemas by June '06.

As for competition, very few seem to know what the Hell is going on with Spider-Man 4 - although I personally think it'll happen and for that year.

Pirates of the Caribbean 4 won't be hitting 2011, but 2012 - as per Bruckheimer. And The Avengers? Honestly, I think that will be delayed.

I don't necessarily disagree... but I will say Marvel will not get a second opportunity if they hold their billion dollar chip for 2012 against BB3 if that is what is on the table. Depending on which project moves quicker (BB3 or Avengers) should be the one that goes to July 2011. If they both wait then they will end up going head to head the next year. Of course Avengers could always fall completely apart if future Marvel movies flop but I don't think that will happen.

[GL's Light]

It's not the same as The Prestige being made between Batman Begins and The Dark Knight.

Nolan was working on Prestige while he was wrapping up on Begins and had already said it was going to be his next film. This time around he took a long vacation with his wife and children after Knight opened and remained mum on his plans - other than to say it would probably be something other than Batman III.
He's shown the capacity to move between projects quickly, and it's not always apparent how much work is being done on a project to the outside observer, especially in terms of scripting. He could potentially do a lot of development on the next Batman film while he's in post on Inception. I'm not saying it's a slam dunk that he would keep to a summer 2011 release - it could well move back to 2012 - but it's not out of the question either. How big and complicated Inception is to make, something we don't know yet, will obviously have an impact on which scenario plays out.

[mego joe]

And why the hell did she faint... like she's never seen Superman do his thing before ... or she's never seen him come back from something before?

The faint was there to provide a comiedic capper to the scene and it was ham-fisted at that.

I think she fainted b/c she hadn't ever seen him come away from a long absence. It was five years, that is supposed to be significant in the storyline in SR. WHile I don't like the film, I don't think the faint was off base. Remember she hooked up with RIchard and thinks she had Richard's kid b/c Superman was gone. Now he's back and she's up the creek.

[mego joe]

The Superman franchise just seems to be a disaster. I can't help but think if SR had been a new beginning ala Batman Begins then we would be in a totally different situation.

[bgshw44]

The Superman franchise just seems to be a disaster. I can't help but think if SR had been a new beginning ala Batman Begins then we would be in a totally different situation.

we would be in the same situation if they did a reboot in 2006 that was executed as poorly as sr

[mego joe]

we would be in the same situation if they did a reboot in 2006 that was executed as poorly as sr

True, but 'ala BB' means a really good film that was a critical and fan success as well as a 'new beginning.'

[bgshw44]

True, but 'ala BB' means a really good film that was a critical and fan success as well as a 'new beginning.'

oh ok. honestly i feel that a really good returns story would have been a good set up as well.

[mego joe]

oh ok. honestly i feel that a really good returns story would have been a good set up as well.

A returns story could have worked but I think a new beginning would have been a much easier task to execute. When you do a 'returns' that's in a new continuity, you have to cover the past in some fashion anyway, so why not just start at the beginning.

[hippie_hunter]

i disagree, i think lex will be moved over to the corporate side. however i do see things staying such as the theme, the design of the fortress etc. i do truely believe you can move away and update the character in the sequel without it seeming out of olace, just the natural evolution of the characters.
I doubt the desig of the Fortress will ever change. The Donner design has pretty much become iconic. If there are changes in design, I'd imagine the Superman suit would change to look more like the traditional Superman costume and theme (such as a different portrayal of Lex Luthor).

[hippie_hunter]

We will see but I just don't have any faith that much will change if they decide to go the sequel route.

If they do a sequel I can't imagine that few things will change. Warner Bros. and whoever does make the film will have to make several noticable changes to get as many people on board with the film.

[GL's Light]

The notion that Warners could flip things around and push Batman back to summer 2012 and mov Superman ahead to summer 2011 is intriguing. I was of the mindset that we likely wouldn't see a new Superman film until at least 2012, and that if Batman was delayed for a year that the studio would be more likely to further delay Superman, too, rather than bring it forward.

With so many big superhero films being juggled around for possible 2011 release dates this year is going to be even more interesting than usual to see what unfolds.

[FaT_tONle]

I just don't see a quasi-sequel, semi-reboot, requel, sequel, total reboot (take your pick) Superman film can hold his own against the Marvel heavy hitters. Spidey and Avengers is about as big as it gets for superheroes. The fact that the Spidey cast/crew appears to remain in tact for the next installment means Supes would have an even more difficult time. Batman can at least hold his own especially coming off of a film like TDK. That's why I think WB will be insane if they flip it like that. Either go spring or holiday 2011 or just hold for 2012.

[FlawlessVictory]

He's shown the capacity to move between projects quickly, and it's not always apparent how much work is being done on a project to the outside observer, especially in terms of scripting. He could potentially do a lot of development on the next Batman film while he's in post on Inception. I'm not saying it's a slam dunk that he would keep to a summer 2011 release - it could well move back to 2012 - but it's not out of the question either. How big and complicated Inception is to make, something we don't know yet, will obviously have an impact on which scenario plays out.

Found this post:

batman begins premiered in june of 2005; production of the prestige started in january of 2006, pre production for the dark knight was later on that year. Production for dark knight started in the beginning of 2007. The campaign for the dark knight started a year before its release in july 18 2008. Nolan is once again starting production for a new movie 6 months after a batman movie. i dont see how batman 3 would be out in 2012 based on that, so i must disagree. 2011 on schedule.

http://batman-dark-knight.moviechronicles.com/2009-02/christopher-nolan-to-direct-inception/#comments

[bgshw44]

I just don't see a quasi-sequel, semi-reboot, requel, sequel, total reboot (take your pick) Superman film can hold his own against the Marvel heavy hitters. Spidey and Avengers is about as big as it gets for superheroes. The fact that the Spidey cast/crew appears to remain in tact for the next installment means Supes would have an even more difficult time. Batman can at least hold his own especially coming off of a film like TDK. That's why I think WB will be insane if they flip it like that. Either go spring or holiday 2011 or just hold for 2012.


all you need is a few weeks seperation. the summer is long enough

[Nightwing1977]

But admittedly, I would be cool with a Superman film that kept Routh, and dropped the characters of Jason and Richard and just was its own story.



Same here. I always said in the beginning of the next film that Richard & Lois are no longer together. Then I would have Richard left Metropolis along with Jason. You don't have to acknowledged the kid that way with not showing what happend to them at all there. Just call it a "vague sequel" or whatever. Just as long it not a "direct sequel". :)



If they make a sequel I hope for the sake of the fans of SR that it's a direct one, they damn sure shouldn't confuse us anymore than we already are.



I personally like SR & think even a sequel doesn't need to be a direct one from it. Just make the sequel feel different while keeping certain things from previous film (keeping Routh, the design of the Daily Planet, etc.) the same.



If that's the case, then I say just call it "Superman Kicks A Lot of Ass This Time, We Swear!"



LOL! That would be great.



If WB have finally made up their minds, (not bloody likely)my sentiments exactly.

We will see but I just don't have any faith that much will change if they decide to go the sequel route.



We'll just have to wait & see. Even if I feel almost the same as you do on this situation, I still try to keep an open mind & wait till I see what the trailer of the new film look. :word:

[Webhead2006]

Yea i dont want to see any vauge/quasi sequel to what SR was already a vauge/quasi sequel off superman 1 and 2. I am getting so dam sick of all this crap we keep on getting or no information at all. I wish wb could just make a decision already and either do a full on reboot or a full on direct sequel.

[sdc10]

Yea i dont want to see any vauge/quasi sequel to what SR was already a vauge/quasi sequel off superman 1 and 2. I am getting so dam sick of all this crap we keep on getting or no information at all. I wish wb could just make a decision already and either do a full on reboot or a full on direct sequel.

I was originally a little excited that SR would be a take off of Superman II, you know like referencing the Kryptonian criminals and what not. Instead we get the art house version of Superman. Not to mention the fact that you could drive mack trucks through the plot holes of the movie.

[bgshw44]

I was originally a little excited that SR would be a take off of Superman II, you know like referencing the Kryptonian criminals and what not. Instead we get the art house version of Superman. Not to mention the fact that you could drive mack trucks through the plot holes of the movie.


yes! it was a good idea that was poorly executed imo

[RachelDawes]

True.

Eh, if this sequel happens I don't see us ever getting another version of Superman.

I see underground criminal mastermind dofus Lex staying, the dumb girl at his side, Superman still being protrayed in the Reeve manor and any other Donner influence that was in SR. But this time I see all those things mixed up with more CGI Supervillain fights...thats good to some people and bad to others. Hopefully I'm wrong but I have a feeling that I'm not.

I could see SU being kind of a bridge to a more updated version of Superman. Just ditch Lex's doofier aspects, bring in LexCorp somehow, and make Clark Kent not a klutz and you're halfway to leaving the Donnerverse behind.

[Scarecrow_King]

the TMNT movie took the same route. it was a loose sequel to the first two Ninja Turtles movies. but it stood on its own much better than I think Returns did. a lot of people give the TMNT movie crap, but I found it enjoyable.

[RachelDawes]

we would be in the same situation if they did a reboot in 2006 that was executed as poorly as sr

Not necessarily. I'm assuming we wouldn't have had a kid with a reboot. The absence of Jason would've made it easier for a new director to take over and make a sequel that would take the series in a new direction just because that unpopular subplot wouldn't have to be carried over to the next movie. As it is, I'm sure quite a few directors don't want to be saddled with Superkid.

[RachelDawes]

Same here. I always said in the beginning of the next film that Richard & Lois are no longer together. Then I would have Richard left Metropolis along with Jason. You don't have to acknowledged the kid that way with not showing what happend to them at all there. Just call it a "vague sequel" or whatever. Just as long it not a "direct sequel". :)

Why would Lois let Richard take Jason away? He's not his son. Jeez, I wish Jason hadn't been in the movie. He makes starting over way more complicated than it needs to be.

[GL's Light]

Newscaster: "Breaking news: the supervillain called Mongul has just destroyed Coast City!"

Lois: "OMFG, Clark, Richard and Jason are in Coast City visiting Richard's parents!"

Superman Unleashed

[X Knight]

I agree that the whole Jason element seriously complicates any "sequel" or continuation to SR.

If you include the kid and continue to explore Superman's reconnection with his son.....well, that would instantly turn away anyone who disapproved of the whole kid plotline in the first place.

If you just "write off" the kid ( either by killing him and Richard off or moving them out of the story somehow ), they you would turn off those who did like that element from SR and want to see it explored further.....

so...either way......you run the risk of alienating a portion of your audience right off the bat....

[Deaths Head II]

This really annoying. After Superman Returns, I was anticipating a sequel. As time went on, all the reboot talk got me more accepting of a reboot or a sequel. Then after we got official word for a reboot, I was fully prepared to drop Superman Returns and start anew. Now I find out we're getting a sequel after all? Argh.

[Anita18]

If that is the case, than why is it also in Production Weekly this week, that is my next question.
What kind of info was in Production Weekly for Superman Unleashed?

BB3 showed up in Production Weekly, slated for pre-production in February 2009 (i.e., right now). Obviously that's not happening unless by "pre-production" they mean mostly script work, because Chris Nolan is obviously going full-speed with Inception at this point instead. But since script work is highly private and under the table, I'd be surprised if Production Weekly actually considered it pre-production. :funny:

[DavidTyler]

I think she fainted b/c she hadn't ever seen him come away from a long absence. It was five years, that is supposed to be significant in the storyline in SR. WHile I don't like the film, I don't think the faint was off base. Remember she hooked up with RIchard and thinks she had Richard's kid b/c Superman was gone. Now he's back and she's up the creek.


Wha kind of tough reporter is she then that something like this could make her faint?

So many things were out of character in this film.

[JAK®]

Lets drop the SR discussion before it gets ugly and we then continue the same arguments that have been discussed constantly for almost 3 years.

[GL's Light]

Yeah, SR is already by far the most debated comic book film ever made. The debates have long since become mind-numbing.

[Alex Logan]

Found this post:

http://batman-dark-knight.moviechronicles.com/2009-02/christopher-nolan-to-direct-inception/#comments

I was just talking about this the other day, good point.

[Webhead2006]

yea the whole kid plot and most of the elements of Sr using sm1 sm2 stuff really did put them in a corner on what they could keep going. That is why i personally would like to have a full on reboot so we can drop jason,richard and all the failed aspects of SR and to finally get movie superman out of the donnor world. It was good for the 70s and 80s but doesnt really work in the 2000s period.

[Showtime]

What kind of info was in Production Weekly for Superman Unleashed?

BB3 showed up in Production Weekly, slated for pre-production in February 2009 (i.e., right now). Obviously that's not happening unless by "pre-production" they mean mostly script work, because Chris Nolan is obviously going full-speed with Inception at this point instead. But since script work is highly private and under the table, I'd be surprised if Production Weekly actually considered it pre-production. :funny:

Technically they should have been saying "development".

[Showtime]

The notion that Warners could flip things around and push Batman back to summer 2012 and mov Superman ahead to summer 2011 is intriguing. I was of the mindset that we likely wouldn't see a new Superman film until at least 2012, and that if Batman was delayed for a year that the studio would be more likely to further delay Superman, too, rather than bring it forward.

With so many big superhero films being juggled around for possible 2011 release dates this year is going to be even more interesting than usual to see what unfolds.

Whether it is Superman Unleashed, Routhboot, Superman Reboot or anything else...there are some options to be had.

I could see Batman coming out Summer 2011 and Superman coming out in Holiday 2011 as well. Endless possibilities.

[Webhead2006]

yea that would be a better word since we know any superman film is still a long time away from happening since no script, no confirmed director, and we still dont know if its sequel or reboot still.

[Showtime]

Right now to me, i am calling the next film "Superman", until this "Unleashed" thing gets cleared up.

[solidsnake86]

I think I would be dissappointed if they did another quasi sequel because I think it desperately needs a reboot.

With this news there are quite a few interesting things to note. First, batman has had a lot of news surrounding it as of late. Terminator sequel in 2011, Nolan's next movie has been decided, TDK crossed the 1 billion dollar mark and the oscars are tonight. Now with the oscars there was some speculation that nothing on a sequel would be announced until after them because it would hurt there chances of winning.

Then we have green lantern getting campbell (if he signed, since it said he was close to signing), once they cast the lead its in full swing.

Superman already has there lead, I can't honestly believe after all this time that WB hasn't seen a few scripts or story outlines that they haven't liked. Thats why in a way I'm not too surprised. They just really havent been able to decide on what direction to go in and thats mostly because of singer being difficult.

[Anita18]

Now with the oscars there was some speculation that nothing on a sequel would be announced until after them because it would hurt there chances of winning.
Since TDK missed out on Best Picture and Best Director noms, the only likely Oscar win it has is Best Supporting Actor. I don't know whether WB is still purposely holding out until after the Oscars, since Heath really has no competition. He is as good as locked. Let's put it this way: If he doesn't win, God help the actor who does. :funny:

They did announce Nolan's next film, so they may be holding out on an official announcement for BB3 until they have the script further along. They didn't officially announce TDK until they had cast Heath after all, and it had turned out that the script's first draft was already written by then.

[DavidTyler]

I'll be very dissapointed if the 'Unleashed' info is correct and this is a sequel to SR.

And, while we're at it ... I don't think 'Unleashed' is a bad title. In fact, if they make the next film 'The Man Of Steel' and make it a reboot, I would be totally on board with the follow up to that being titled 'Unleashed' ... as long as it's appropriate to the title. It implies that Superman has held back until the events in whatever film 'Unleashed' ends up as.

[GL's Light]

Endless possibilities.
"There are always possibilities." :ST:

[Cool Monty]

I'll be very dissapointed if the 'Unleashed' info is correct and this is a sequel to SR.

And, while we're at it ... I don't think 'Unleashed' is a bad title. In fact, if they make the next film 'The Man Of Steel' and make it a reboot, I would be totally on board with the follow up to that being titled 'Unleashed' ... as long as it's appropriate to the title. It implies that Superman has held back until the events in whatever film 'Unleashed' ends up as.

Not me. :woot:

But seriously, I could deal with a reboot or a sequel, provided Routh's Superman. Though I will say I want a sequel more for continuity sake.

[GL's Light]

The time for a sequel, even a quasi-sequel has slipped away. They should start from scratch, including a new cast.

[Ultimate_Superman]

yea that would be a better word since we know any superman film is still a long time away from happening since no script, no confirmed director, and we still dont know if its sequel or reboot still.
To be fair we don't know how far off a Superman movie is. I mean as far as we know they could have a movie out by 2011 and to be fair as well if this is going to be a sequel then this movie could movie could be further along assuming Singer is willing to work with them as far as story and plot goes.

[Ultimate_Superman]

The time for a sequel, even a quasi-sequel has slipped away. They should start from scratch, including a new cast.
I'll agree to this although if you recast Jason and Lois and set the movie plot about two weeks after the events of Returns it still could work. Remember people Batman Begins was a forgettable movie to most the GA as well and almost didn't get a sequel but look at what TDK made.

[FlawlessVictory]

Whether it is Superman Unleashed, Routhboot, Superman Reboot or anything else...there are some options to be had.

What's interesting is, that after the release of SR and after its BO run, WB's initial reaction was to move forward with a sequel. This was evident in the deal they offered to Singer. Legendary Pictures always wanted a sequel to SR. The initial reason we did not get an SR sequel is because Singer decided to move onto Valkyrie next. It was at this point that WB decided to investigate other options with the Superman franchise, but lets make no mistake about it, WB initially wanted a sequel to SR.

So, WB gets annoyed with Singer's decision and it's then that they start shopping the Superman franchise to other directors. I believe at this point, whichever directors they went to, were reluctant to take the franchise on even as a reintroduction. WB once again sees the difficulty in getting Superman off the ground based off the reaction of these directors. So perhaps, they start warming to a sequel again which is around the time Singer is done with Valkyrie.

FilmNerdJamie mentioned that Singer was approached once again in November 2008 regarding Superman. Remember the interview MTV Splash Page ran on Singer being asked about Superman in December 2008? He mentioned he couldn't say much about it. What if Singer was still contemplating going back to Superman at this point, and he really didn't have an answer, at that point. I really think that's a strong possibility.

It's quite possible we will get a direct sequel now, based on WB first wanting it, Legendary always wanting it and WB seeing the difficulty in relaunching Superman.

[mclay18]

how many potter films are left and when are they scheduled to come out?

After HP6 this July, the first half of the two-part finale will come out November 19, 2010 and the second half will come out May 2011. (I think Warners might push it back to June/July.)

[FlawlessVictory]

I'll agree to this although if you recast Jason and Lois and set the movie plot about two weeks after the events of Returns it still could work. Remember people Batman Begins was a forgettable movie to most the GA as well and almost didn't get a sequel but look at what TDK made.

BB NEVER polarized fans the way SR did. Plus, BB did not end in a way, where it was essentially painted in a corner in what had to be dealt with. You can argue that the Joker card was presented, so that forced Nolan to show Joker in the next film. What does SR leave us with, Jason waving bye. Let me ask you, what were fans and the GA more excited to see, the next film with the Joker or the next film with more Jason.

It's not even close.

[dark_b]

What's interesting is, that after the release of SR and after its BO run, WB's initial reaction was to move forward with a sequel. This was evident in the deal they offered to Singer. Legendary Pictures always wanted a sequel to SR. The initial reason we did not get an SR sequel is because Singer decided to move onto Valkyrie next. It was at this point that WB decided to investigate other options with the Superman franchise, but lets make no mistake about it, WB initially wanted a sequel to SR.

So, WB gets annoyed with Singer's decision and it's then that they start shopping the Superman franchise to other directors. I believe at this point, whichever directors they went to, were reluctant to take the franchise on even as a reintroduction. WB once again sees the difficulty in getting Superman off the ground based off the reaction of these directors. So perhaps, they start warming to a sequel again which is around the time Singer is done with Valkyrie.

FilmNerdJamie mentioned that Singer was approached once again in November 2008 regarding Superman. Remember the interview MTV Splash Page ran on Singer being asked about Superman in December 2008? He mentioned he couldn't say much about it. What if Singer was still contemplating going back to Superman at this point, and he really didn't have an answer, at that point. I really think that's a strong possibility.

It's quite possible we will get a direct sequel now, based on WB first wanting it, Legendary always wanting it and WB seeing the difficulty in relaunching Superman.
thats the best part of the play and pay deal. he can do what he wants and gets payed. he is laughing at them IMO. hahahahhah.

of course its not so funny for us fans :cmad::o

[ZIPBAGS]

Just consider Superman Returns as the bookend to Superman I and II. Now, its time to start anew. Lex as corporate tycoon. No kid. No Richard. Superman never left Earth for 5yrs. You can have Lex as the bad guy behind the bad guy Supes has to fight (Metallo, Braniac, Parasite, etc).

[Mostpowerful]

Not me. :woot:

But seriously, I could deal with a reboot or a sequel, provided Routh's Superman. Though I will say I want a sequel more for continuity sake.

I as big SR fan, I'd LOVE to get a sequel. But I could deal with a revamp/reboot IF Brandon Routh is back in the leading role.


The time for a sequel, even a quasi-sequel has slipped away. They should start from scratch, including a new cast.

I strongly disagree. I see lots of potential in a sequel.

[Mostpowerful]

I'll agree to this although if you recast Jason and Lois and set the movie plot about two weeks after the events of Returns it still could work. Remember people Batman Begins was a forgettable movie to most the GA as well and almost didn't get a sequel but look at what TDK made.

I wouldn't say BB was a "forgetable movie" but it wasn't a big hit, just like SR. However, both movies were well made, did well enough and had/have potential for bigger a more exciting sequels, IMO. :o

[dark_b]

word of mouth was very big for BB. plus after the DVD even more people liked it.

1 year after teh theatrical realese batman was very loved by people.

[GL's Light]

Batman Begins had a much better return on its budget than Superman Returns, and a sequel was really never in doubt once it took off as a huge hit on DVD.

[FaT_tONle]

What's interesting is, that after the release of SR and after its BO run, WB's initial reaction was to move forward with a sequel. This was evident in the deal they offered to Singer. Legendary Pictures always wanted a sequel to SR. The initial reason we did not get an SR sequel is because Singer decided to move onto Valkyrie next. It was at this point that WB decided to investigate other options with the Superman franchise, but lets make no mistake about it, WB initially wanted a sequel to SR.

So, WB gets annoyed with Singer's decision and it's then that they start shopping the Superman franchise to other directors. I believe at this point, whichever directors they went to, were reluctant to take the franchise on even as a reintroduction. WB once again sees the difficulty in getting Superman off the ground based off the reaction of these directors. So perhaps, they start warming to a sequel again which is around the time Singer is done with Valkyrie.

FilmNerdJamie mentioned that Singer was approached once again in November 2008 regarding Superman. Remember the interview MTV Splash Page ran on Singer being asked about Superman in December 2008? He mentioned he couldn't say much about it. What if Singer was still contemplating going back to Superman at this point, and he really didn't have an answer, at that point. I really think that's a strong possibility.

It's quite possible we will get a direct sequel now, based on WB first wanting it, Legendary always wanting it and WB seeing the difficulty in relaunching Superman.

I just think that if WB wanted to move forward with it... Singer aboard... it would have been 2010. 2011 is the absolute latest they should wait for a direct sequel. I just don't see it happening. WB was never gun-ho about it... more ho-hum. They even decided that summer that they'd be reintroducing the character. Maybe Singer was an afterthought at that point... when he finally learned of WB's comments he probably said, "Goodbye..." or "I'll get back to you..." And here we are today. WB was obviously never in a hurry. Without Singer... they probably lose Spacey, and even Marsden. I just don't see how the majority of the cast (Bosworth and the kid aside) would be up for it... not to mention a more studio controlled project. I don't think we can get a sequel without Singer attached as a producer at the very least.

[I Am The Knight]

I'll be very dissapointed if the 'Unleashed' info is correct and this is a sequel to SR.

And, while we're at it ... I don't think 'Unleashed' is a bad title. In fact, if they make the next film 'The Man Of Steel' and make it a reboot, I would be totally on board with the follow up to that being titled 'Unleashed' ... as long as it's appropriate to the title. It implies that Superman has held back until the events in whatever film 'Unleashed' ends up as.

Really? You think Unleashed is a good title? Personally, I think it's dreadful. You yourself have suggested better ones, I believe.

I'll agree to this although if you recast Jason and Lois and set the movie plot about two weeks after the events of Returns it still could work. Remember people Batman Begins was a forgettable movie to most the GA as well and almost didn't get a sequel but look at what TDK made.

It was praised almost universally. A "return to form" for the franchise.

[dark_b]

bosworth would be out no matter what.
spacey's lex luthor was not liked by enough people to be sad if he was gone
marsden? .....who? the guy who always loses the girl?

[FaT_tONle]

bosworth would be out no matter what.
spacey's lex luthor was not liked by enough people to be sad if he was gone
marsden? .....who? the guy who always loses the girl?

So you are basically going to recast everyone and still go through with a sequel??? I mean that's the stupidest thing ever. I get that TIH basically did it... hell without that opening credit scene how could you honestly not buy that film as a sequel to Hulk? Nevertheless you still tie yourself to that same universe if you go sequel... kid included... real-estate Lex included. Of course that is the never ending debate I will try not to get into... I just think that even if Routh is back... almost EVERYTHING else has to be different in some way. Not an origin movie... but just different. Audiences won't care that Routh was tied to the Donnerverse and they'll see him as Supes anyway because he has more credibility than anyone else playing Superman at the moment.

[dark_b]

who said i would recast everyone? i just wrotte what i think about those actors. i would not be sad if any of those is replaced.

[FaT_tONle]

I am saying what is the use for a character like Richard as you go forward? Hell I'd write in a new boyfriend if I needed a love triangle. As for Langella and the Daily Planet cast... you want to keep those guys then go for it. It's like Spiderman... even if Raimi left the franchise and Maguire was replaced... I would have still tried to keep as much as continuity possible from the supporting cast... Simmons and the rest of the Bugle included. That doesn't mean IT HAS TO BE A SEQUEL. It's homage.. it's part of the few things the previous film(s) got right... why change that?

[X Knight]

if WB still ends up going for a direct sequel to SR, well I think it would be kind of ironic, especially since this particular thread was started based on the comments by that WB guy that they wanted to "reintroduce Superman."

I mean, that's like them saying to Singer......."You failed. SR sucked. We want to reintroduce the character in a different direction." But, after several months of trying that route, they now go back to Singer and say "Ok, we give up....even though you failed and SR sucked, please make us a sequel to SR.....pretty please with a cherry on top....."

If I were Singer, I'd say to them....."Kneel before.....Singer!!"

[FlawlessVictory]

if WB still ends up going for a direct sequel to SR, well I think it would be kind of ironic, especially since this particular thread was started based on the comments by that WB guy that they wanted to "reintroduce Superman."

I mean, that's like them saying to Singer......."You failed. SR sucked. We want to reintroduce the character in a different direction." But, after several months of trying that route, they now go back to Singer and say "Ok, we give up....even though you failed and SR sucked, please make us a sequel to SR.....pretty please with a cherry on top....."

If I were Singer, I'd say to them....."Kneel before.....Singer!!"

If they move forward with a direct sequel that comment will come back and haunt them. It doesn't go well publically when you have a top WB exec denouncing a film that they end up making a sequel to. It makes those on the fence regarding the franchise lose confidence in it. If there is no full confidence and commitment by a top exec, why should others believe in the Singer franchise? What does Robinov even say if they do move forward with a sequel. "I was just kidding". :huh:

[Antonello Blueberry]

if WB still ends up going for a direct sequel to SR, well I think it would be kind of ironic, especially since this particular thread was started based on the comments by that WB guy that they wanted to "reintroduce Superman."

I mean, that's like them saying to Singer......."You failed. SR sucked. We want to reintroduce the character in a different direction." But, after several months of trying that route, they now go back to Singer and say "Ok, we give up....even though you failed and SR sucked, please make us a sequel to SR.....pretty please with a cherry on top....."

If I were Singer, I'd say to them....."Kneel before.....Singer!!"
Again, why can't a sequel with the same cast re-introduce and "re-position" the character as Robinov said? The Dark Knight was far more successful than Batman Begins, with the same cast and direction, with a better script and a more focused direction (not to mention the free promotion due to Heath Ledger). The Punisher and Hulk re-start while increasing the action level and changing the actors weren't more successful than the previous movies.

[dark_b]

a direct sequel will not happen. END OF STORY

[I Am The Knight]

if WB still ends up going for a direct sequel to SR, well I think it would be kind of ironic, especially since this particular thread was started based on the comments by that WB guy that they wanted to "reintroduce Superman."

I mean, that's like them saying to Singer......."You failed. SR sucked. We want to reintroduce the character in a different direction." But, after several months of trying that route, they now go back to Singer and say "Ok, we give up....even though you failed and SR sucked, please make us a sequel to SR.....pretty please with a cherry on top....."

If I were Singer, I'd say to them....."Kneel before.....Singer!!"

:lmao:

What does Robinov even say if they do move forward with a sequel. "I was just kidding". :huh:

:lmao:

Oh, WB...

[bgshw44]

Again, why can't a sequel with the same cast re-introduce and "re-position" the character as Robinov said? The Dark Knight was far more successful than Batman Begins, with the same cast and direction, with a better script and a more focused direction (not to mention the free promotion due to Heath Ledger). The Punisher and Hulk re-start while increasing the action level and changing the actors weren't more successful than the previous movies.

agree with you 1000000%

[BenReilly]

If they move forward with a direct sequel that comment will come back and haunt them. It doesn't go well publically when you have a top WB exec denouncing a film that they end up making a sequel to. It makes those on the fence regarding the franchise lose confidence in it. If there is no full confidence and commitment by a top exec, why should others believe in the Singer franchise? What does Robinov even say if they do move forward with a sequel. "I was just kidding". :huh:

It's already happened before in regards to Robinov's comments on this franchise.

I've posted this before but here are a couple quotes from Robinov in regards to SR:

I think people are really going to like "Superman Returns." I have to give Alan credit. He suffered a lot of negative publicity. When I met with Bryan Singer and he said, 'This is what the movie is,' I had the same feeling I had with Chris Nolan. I went down to Alan within days of McG leaving the movie. It would have been easy for him to say, 'Let's not start again, let's wait a beat, and come back to this.' He jumped right in and heard Bryan's take and embraced it.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/search/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001263779

"'Superman Returns' will be profitable for us," says Warner Bros. production president Jeff Robinov. "We would have liked it to have made more money, but it reintroduced the character in a great way and was a good launching pad for the next picture. We believe in Bryan and the franchise. Clearly, this was the most emotional and realistic superhero movie ever made."

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/search/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003019246

"'Superman' didn't quite work as a film in the way that we wanted it to," says Mr. Robinov. "It didn't position the character the way he needed to be positioned." "Had 'Superman' worked in 2006, we would have had a movie for Christmas of this year or 2009," he adds. "But now the plan is just to reintroduce Superman without regard to a Batman and Superman movie at all."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121936107614461929.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

[FilmNerdJamie]

A studio executive talking outta both sides of his ass?!? :huh:

I'M SHOCKED!!!!!

[Sam]

Again, why can't a sequel with the same cast re-introduce and "re-position" the character as Robinov said?

Because thats what SR supposed to be: a "re-introduce" of the character. Now they are going to re-introduce the re-introduce?

LAME

The Punisher and Hulk re-start while increasing the action level and changing the actors weren't more successful than the previous movies.

And both were re-introductions, a semi-sequel... and failed.

They didnt reboot the franchises of Hulk and Punisher, no matter what they say,.

[sdc10]

Because thats what SR supposed to be: a "re-introduce" of the character. Now they are going to re-introduce the re-introduce?

LAME



And both were re-introductions, a semi-sequel... and failed.

They didnt reboot the franchises of Hulk and Punisher, no matter what they say,.

Theres no way you can compare punisher war zone to the incredible hulk. I think the hulk nowhere near failed. Especially now with its dvd sales. Punisher didnt even regain its budget.

[I Am The Knight]

Because thats what SR supposed to be: a "re-introduce" of the character. Now they are going to re-introduce the re-introduce?

LAME



And both were re-introductions, a semi-sequel... and failed.

They didnt reboot the franchises of Hulk and Punisher, no matter what they say,.

I don't know about Punisher WZ (never saw it) but they definitely rebooted The Hulk.

[Sam]

Theres no way you can compare punisher war zone to the incredible hulk. I think the hulk nowhere near failed. Especially now with its dvd sales. Punisher didnt even regain its budget.

Incredible Hulk did the same of Ang Lee Hulk, didnt it?

So, it failed regarding what studio proposed.

Personally, i think Incredible Hulk is much better.

[X Knight]

TIH, while not being an "origin story" per say, was definitely a reboot. And, IMO, it was far superior to the 03 Hulk movie.