Reintroducing Superman: An Open Discussion

[RachelDawes]

I just heard WW is picking up speed... maybe they are confident in WW holding a Holiday release for 2011? Meaning Supes would go to winter 2012 EARLIEST. Not saying WW will replace it... just saying there is a report up there saying it is picking up steam.

I enjoy discussing WW over on her thread but I have no faith that she'll get a movie anytime soon.

They are back at square one again with that project. They just dumped the rookie writers it seems. 2011 wouldn't be impossible.

This doesn't surprise me in the slightest.

[solidsnake86]

It's definitely not un-common for studios to know stuff that's yet to become public - if that does at all.

I think Marvel Studios were either flat-out told "Batman III is moving to 2012" or just connected-the-dots (like me, Showtime and a few others did) and adjusted their schedules.

That said, The Avengers was going to move to 2012. That was not a shock whatsoever.

The Avengers movie moving back was no shock for me either because its release didnt make sense to begin with when you have captain america in the movie. I don't know what actor would sign up for that type of schedule if its even possible to do both films.

With batman, as soon as the terminator news went up about the sequel in 2011 I think it was pretty obvious that it was being moved back. I think most just didnt want to believe it, but knew.

I don't think there was any way they wouldve gotten thor out in time with a decent quality film. Green Lantern seemed further along in terms of the script, the last we heard with thor was from a while back with that guys script who's name escapes me at the moment. I find it hard to believe that one was 100% ready to shoot.

[GreenKToo]

The more things change, the more they stay the same. It seems indecision reigns at WB.

[Webhead2006]

that does seem to be the thing with wb. To bad things cant be more unified there.

[FilmNerdJamie]

Give me a break. What's to say they're not on the same page?

[Superark]

I think we'll find out soon what's happening with Superman.

[MAN O STEEL]

I think we'll find out soon what's happening with Superman.


We've all been saying that going on 3 yrs now, and..........:csad:





Steve

[Superark]

We've all been saying that going on 3 yrs now, and..........:csad:





Steve


LOL, I know! But now that all this Marvel news has just recently been released maybe WB/DC will start letting out some of their stuff. Plus after the Superman: Unleashed bit, I feel maybe we'll actually get a little bit of info sooner rather than later. Probably a screenwriter who has been chosen.

But I am probably wrong haha

[Double Down]

LOL, I know! But now that all this Marvel news has just recently been released maybe WB/DC will start letting out some of their stuff. Plus after the Superman: Unleashed bit, I feel maybe we'll actually get a little bit of info sooner rather than later. Probably a screenwriter who has been chosen.

But I am probably wrong haha

Keep your optimism. I like it. :up:

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I'm starting to lose mine.

[Superark]

Keep your optimism. I like it. :up:

First time I've had some in a while and that's good!

[RachelDawes]

First time I've had some in a while and that's good!

My only optimism comes from the fact that WB seems to want Superman for a 2011 release, which means that they have to get the ball rolling here soon.

[FilmNerdJamie]

Showtime is right. The fact that Watchmen will now struggle to hit $100 million makes Warner Brothers appreciate the $200 million grosses of Batman Begins and Superman Returns.

[Ita-KalEl]

I'm really happy for the bad performance of Watchmen, expecially for Zack"I'm God" Snyder: his movie is long and boring and it deserves to fail.

I'm not too surprised if now he has changed his opinion about directing Superman...but IMO he wouldn't be the right choice.

[bgshw44]

his style would be all wrong IMO. i am glads as well, its not like fans are going to miss out on a sequel. the reason im glad is i think it helps wb realize the importance of the "brand names" of their comic books and in turn, help move along a superman movie

[FilmNerdJamie]

Dude, Watchmen was fantastic. It was just never going to be "the mega blockbuster" that many nerdgasmed themselves into believing.

[Showtime]

I thought Watchmen was solid but it was pretty obvious from the beginning this thing wasn't going to pull in the benjamins.

[dark_b]

i remember when people were saying '' you think it will get nominated for best picture''. again that was after TDK was not nominated.

[Webhead2006]

Yea plus being an R rated film where alot of teens/kids are not seeing would bring the BO down a bit. But its a solid film in my book.

[Nixon]

The rating, the running time, and the lack of brand recognition are big hurdles for the box office to overcome. That, and maybe I'm the only one who thought so, but it just wasn't that good. To me, it just felt gaudy and hollow and like a drawing that had been traced and lacked any of the depth or nuance of the original.

[dark_b]

Yea plus being an R rated film where alot of teens/kids are not seeing would bring the BO down a bit. But its a solid film in my book.i think it doesnt matter since the story is more for older people.

300 was R and made 210 millions domstic.

whait a minute. it made more then SR?????????????????? 300 made domestic and worldwide more money then SR and it was R?

[Delete]

Showtime is right. The fact that Watchmen will now struggle to hit $100 million makes Warner Brothers appreciate the $200 million grosses of Batman Begins and Superman Returns.

Wouldn't the insane money The Dark Knight made make them appreciate this more? It shows how a sequel can surpass the first movie in popularity.

[Kal-El Fan]

Watchmen was always going to be for the fans. All of the $$ for the film was going to come from merchandising and DVD sales, not the BO. If WB have any brains in their collective head, they realized this early on. I don't think WB will find this a disappointment in the long run, though the whole Fox thing will make it less profitable for them than they had hoped.

[RachelDawes]

Watchmen was always going to be for the fans. All of the $$ for the film was going to come from merchandising and DVD sales, not the BO. If WB have any brains in their collective head, they realized this early on. I don't think WB will find this a disappointment in the long run, though the whole Fox thing will make it less profitable for them than they had hoped.

Well, WB made plans early on to release three different DVDs, so perhaps they do recognize this.

[Anita18]

Wouldn't the insane money The Dark Knight made make them appreciate this more? It shows how a sequel can surpass the first movie in popularity.
That's the exact same thinking that got WB expecting Watchmen to perform similarly to 300 in the box office. Except "TDK is a sequel so that means other sequels can break BO records too!" is even more of a generality. :funny:

[Ita-KalEl]

And now? After the failure of Watchmen, a movie that will struggle to hit the $150m mark ww with a budget of $150m, what will happen?

Another WB/DC summit?

[Superark]

Ok WB get a Superman movie out asap!

[chesslover]

Superman vs. Dr.Manhattan!

[Nightwing1977]

I'm starting to lose mine.

Hopefully not your sanity there. We already has enough of some who already lost it. http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/35.gif http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/35.gif

[Timstuff]

At least with Watchmen, there wasn't a franchise hanging in the balance. Watchmen is one book, and now it's been done. Maybe if it had made 200 million by now there'd be some talk of doing a prequel or something, but let's face it-- Watchmen is a complete story, and anything beyond what's in the book is just extra fries with the burger.

Superman, however... Bryan Singer was supposed to introduce the Man of Steel to a new generation, but all he did was re-introduce him to the generation that already knew him. This was supposed to be the rebirth of a franchise, and yet with its first installment, Bryan Singer not only dropped the audience in the middle of a storyline, but he also wrote it into a corner with the first installment! I am sorry, but after nearly 30 years, there just aren't that many people (especially KIDS AND TEENS) who remember the Donner movies or at least not well enough to want a sequel to them. Superman was a decent film for its time, but it was not timeless by any stretch of the imagination. It was no Star Wars.

The new movie needs to be Superman's intro to the millennial generation, and to do that, NO MATTER HOW MUCH ANY OF YOU WHINES AGAINST IT, they're going to have to include the origin. THAT IS HOW MOVIES WORK. If this is going to be a movie meant for everyone (which it friggin' better be, because Superman is a huge character), then they're going to have to make it for the people who have never seen a Superman film or read a Superman comic just as much as the die-hard nerd who owns every Superman movie on DVD and actually reads the comics. Moreso, in fact, because the latter is pretty small in number compared to the former.

You can go ahead and moan "bububu, everyone knows teh origin!!!1!1!", but I will preemptively respond that just because a lot of people know Superman's origin doesn't mean they've SEEN IT, and this especially is true for young people! If this is going to be this generation's introducton to Superman, then they need to go ALL THE WAY. They are not going to do a half-assed "vague history" movie just because a few thousand fanboys insisted against an origin. This movie is not going to be just for fanboys, it's going have to be for EVERYONE that Warner Bros. can reach with it, and that means that they will not be able to accommodate every ridiculous demand that the fans throw at them. That's just plain how making movies works. If the new movie is good, you'll see it regardless of whether or not the origin is in the movie. But when it comes to the general audience, as Bryan Singer already demonstrated for us, the same does not hold true.

[hippie_hunter]

You got a point there. Everyone knows Batman's origin, yet fans wanted to see that.

[BATZARRO WWD]

At least with Watchmen, there wasn't a franchise hanging in the balance. Watchmen is one book, and now it's been done. Maybe if it had made 200 million by now there'd be some talk of doing a prequel or something, but let's face it-- Watchmen is a complete story, and anything beyond what's in the book is just extra fries with the burger.

Superman, however... Bryan Singer was supposed to introduce the Man of Steel to a new generation, but all he did was re-introduce him to the generation that already knew him. This was supposed to be the rebirth of a franchise, and yet with its first installment, Bryan Singer not only dropped the audience in the middle of a storyline, but he also wrote it into a corner with the first installment! I am sorry, but after nearly 30 years, there just aren't that many people (especially KIDS AND TEENS) who remember the Donner movies or at least not well enough to want a sequel to them. Superman was a decent film for its time, but it was not timeless by any stretch of the imagination. It was no Star Wars.

The new movie needs to be Superman's intro to the millennial generation, and to do that, NO MATTER HOW MUCH ANY OF YOU WHINES AGAINST IT, they're going to have to include the origin. THAT IS HOW MOVIES WORK. If this is going to be a movie meant for everyone (which it friggin' better be, because Superman is a huge character), then they're going to have to make it for the people who have never seen a Superman film or read a Superman comic just as much as the die-hard nerd who owns every Superman movie on DVD and actually reads the comics. Moreso, in fact, because the latter is pretty small in number compared to the former.

You can go ahead and moan "bububu, everyone knows teh origin!!!1!1!", but I will preemptively respond that just because a lot of people know Superman's origin doesn't mean they've SEEN IT, and this especially is true for young people! If this is going to be this generation's introducton to Superman, then they need to go ALL THE WAY. They are not going to do a half-assed "vague history" movie just because a few thousand fanboys insisted against an origin. This movie is not going to be just for fanboys, it's going have to be for EVERYONE that Warner Bros. can reach with it, and that means that they will not be able to accommodate every ridiculous demand that the fans throw at them. That's just plain how making movies works. If the new movie is good, you'll see it regardless of whether or not the origin is in the movie. But when it comes to the general audience, as Bryan Singer already demonstrated for us, the same does not hold true.

I agree, man. The fact is, other origin stories are already common knoweledge and that didn't the audience and fans from liking them. And starting from the start helps the audience connect to the character and his plight more. I think the last movie just made the mistake of just glossing over the how's and why's of Superman for the sake of itself, and if a Reboot did it too, that would lead to unholy amounts of confusion. After all, the last movie had some plot points that, if you don't explicitly start as an origin, less knoweledgable folks'll end up wondering about(these have been talked about at lenght and you we all know them).

Besides, Superman's origin is just plain cool, and seeing it onscreen in full theater glory will rock everyone's socks off.

[Timstuff]

Besides, Superman's origin is just plain cool, and seeing it onscreen in full theater glory will rock everyone's socks off.

Yup. Donner's origin was cool for its time, but imagine what they could do with today's tech! :)

[Mostpowerful]

At least with Watchmen, there wasn't a franchise hanging in the balance. Watchmen is one book, and now it's been done. Maybe if it had made 200 million by now there'd be some talk of doing a prequel or something, but let's face it-- Watchmen is a complete story, and anything beyond what's in the book is just extra fries with the burger.

Superman, however... Bryan Singer was supposed to introduce the Man of Steel to a new generation, but all he did was re-introduce him to the generation that already knew him. This was supposed to be the rebirth of a franchise, and yet with its first installment, Bryan Singer not only dropped the audience in the middle of a storyline, but he also wrote it into a corner with the first installment! I am sorry, but after nearly 30 years, there just aren't that many people (especially KIDS AND TEENS) who remember the Donner movies or at least not well enough to want a sequel to them. Superman was a decent film for its time, but it was not timeless by any stretch of the imagination. It was no Star Wars.

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I strongly disagree with that. I think Superman The Movie is a really good film, it's a fantastic origin, and it's a timeless and magical film that STILL works. Donner got the essense of the character perfectly. Even Nolan and other famous directors agree with that and also say that STM is the best superhero movie to date.

[Timstuff]

Yeah, but you are only one person. The majority of potential viewers think differently, however.

And to inject a bit of personal opinion in there: Richard Donner does not own Superman's origin. People need to wrap their head around the idea that it's not a mortal sin to do it over.

[Mostpowerful]

Yup. Donner's origin was cool for its time, but imagine what they could do with today's tech! :)

But will they get the essense of the character right? Will the movie have heart? :cwink: No tech can do that.

Yeah, but you are only one person. The majority of potential viewers think differently, however.

You don't know that. Show me that poll where you asked that majority who think differently. And no, I'm definitely NOT the only person who think STM still works; even Nolan agrees with me.

[NeoRanger]

But will they get the essense of the character right? Will the movie have heart? :cwink: No tech can do that
As proved so triumphantly by Superman Returns. Which is funny, because I was actually going to post how Donner's crystal-visuals were more effective than Singer's and you beat me to it.

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[Ita-KalEl]

At least with Watchmen, there wasn't a franchise hanging in the balance. Watchmen is one book, and now it's been done. Maybe if it had made 200 million by now there'd be some talk of doing a prequel or something, but let's face it-- Watchmen is a complete story, and anything beyond what's in the book is just extra fries with the burger.

Superman, however... Bryan Singer was supposed to introduce the Man of Steel to a new generation, but all he did was re-introduce him to the generation that already knew him. This was supposed to be the rebirth of a franchise, and yet with its first installment, Bryan Singer not only dropped the audience in the middle of a storyline, but he also wrote it into a corner with the first installment! I am sorry, but after nearly 30 years, there just aren't that many people (especially KIDS AND TEENS) who remember the Donner movies or at least not well enough to want a sequel to them. Superman was a decent film for its time, but it was not timeless by any stretch of the imagination. It was no Star Wars.

The new movie needs to be Superman's intro to the millennial generation, and to do that, NO MATTER HOW MUCH ANY OF YOU WHINES AGAINST IT, they're going to have to include the origin. THAT IS HOW MOVIES WORK. If this is going to be a movie meant for everyone (which it friggin' better be, because Superman is a huge character), then they're going to have to make it for the people who have never seen a Superman film or read a Superman comic just as much as the die-hard nerd who owns every Superman movie on DVD and actually reads the comics. Moreso, in fact, because the latter is pretty small in number compared to the former.

You can go ahead and moan "bububu, everyone knows teh origin!!!1!1!", but I will preemptively respond that just because a lot of people know Superman's origin doesn't mean they've SEEN IT, and this especially is true for young people! If this is going to be this generation's introducton to Superman, then they need to go ALL THE WAY. They are not going to do a half-assed "vague history" movie just because a few thousand fanboys insisted against an origin. This movie is not going to be just for fanboys, it's going have to be for EVERYONE that Warner Bros. can reach with it, and that means that they will not be able to accommodate every ridiculous demand that the fans throw at them. That's just plain how making movies works. If the new movie is good, you'll see it regardless of whether or not the origin is in the movie. But when it comes to the general audience, as Bryan Singer already demonstrated for us, the same does not hold true.

I could even agree, but the point is that if you make a bad Superman movie, you can still do $400m ww, if you make a "not fantastic" Watchmen movie, you'll struggle to cross the 150m mark ww.

300 was an "unicum", it's a Frank Miller story. People feel good for a group of few soldiers/heroes that fight the greateast army ever created. Watchmen is dark and sad with its cynical view of the world without true heroes.

Is it the end of the "dark approach"? I don't know if at WB they are all idiots, but even a child would understand what is the BIG difference between The Dark Night and the Watchmen. The first one is a dark story about the fall and the rise of a hero, the second one is a dark story about the end of the superheroism. The darkness of TDK exalts the bright heroism of the main character while in the Watchmen it helps only to describe a world without a real hope.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Batman=famous
Watchmen=who

Discussions comparing Watchmen to actual globally famous characters is kind of useless imo.

Watchmen not making money at the BO was expected since a lot of the general public never heard of it.

[Ita-KalEl]

Batman=famous
Watchmen=who

Discussions comparing Watchmen to actual globally famous characters is kind of useless imo.

Watchmen not making money at the BO was expected since a lot of the general public never heard of it.

300=who???

We all the respect I don't think that in the USA there are so many fans of the Ancient Greece's history. The point is that people like heroes (modern or ancient), and the worst mistake possible is superhero movie about the end of the "heroism".

[GreenKToo]

IMO 300 worked because it was something new and fresh. Lots of gore and testosterone fueled rage didnt hurt it either. I'm sure everyone remembers how the guys were acting when leaving the theater, lots of chest beating, etc :D

[dark_b]

after the first trailer of 300 there was a lot of positive buzz.

plus it helped that some people when they were in the theater were thinking that they were watching the true story of 300.

[Mulanzo]

300 had killer action for guys and ripped abbed dudes for girls. It pretty much catored to everyone and everything. My girlfriend wouldn't stop talking about the guys after for a month.

[Antonello Blueberry]

What did your girlfriend say about Doc Manhattan blue schlong?

[Nightwing1977]

Yeah, but you are only one person. The majority of potential viewers think differently, however.

Where your proof then? Maybe post a poll or something.

And to inject a bit of personal opinion in there: Richard Donner does not own Superman's origin.

Of course not. No one said he does. But the thing is, they already show his origin in the first film. Been there, done that. Batman on the other hands, has never shown his full origin until Batman Begins. I'm sure if Burton already show Batman's full origin in the first film, Batman Begins might never happend. Or at least not show his origin. It would probably be a different film like a sequel or whatever.

People need to wrap their head around the idea that it's not a mortal sin to do it over.

It's not a sin, but some are making excuse that they want another origin film as a way to forgot the Donnerverse. You can make a new Supes film that has nothing to do with that without making an origin film all over again. No thanks.

[GreenKToo]

I've said it over and over again, show his origin in the opening credits in CB format. Have Alex Ross or an equally talented artist do the work, then move on to the action in the opening scene with an established Supes that has already found his way, not one still searching for it.

[NeoRanger]

Of course not. No one said he does. But the thing is, they already show his origin in the first film. Been there, done that. Batman on the other hands, has never shown his full origin until Batman Begins. I'm sure if Burton already show Batman's full origin in the first film, Batman Begins might never happend. Or at least not show his origin. It would probably be a different film like a sequel or whatever.
What do you mean by "full origin"? We talking just Krypton or the Smallville and post-Smallville stuff too? Because, the way STM interprets everything from the moment the Kents find baby Kal are pretty much STM's very own interpretation. Which means that it's not definitive, it's been done differently (and better, if I might add), it has plenty of room for exploration and the only reason not to do it in a new film series, no less, would be because Donner literally owned the origin or Superman. Which obviously he doesn't.

[Showtime]

Honestly I think they should go about it just like Batman Begins, go back and forth between present and past to give us what we need to know in regards to the origin.

[Timstuff]

You don't know that. Show me that poll where you asked that majority who think differently. And no, I'm definitely NOT the only person who think STM still works; even Nolan agrees with me.

The box office returns for SR are the only poll that matters. Singer spent nearly 300 million to make a movie that was just 3 hours of Donner butt kissing, and it turned off the audience. Donner's movies ARE NOT the be-all-end-all of Superman. They were good, but we haven't seen better because no-one has the balls to actually try to outdo Donner, and instead they just resort to kissing his butt like Bryan Singer.

We CAN have an origin movie better than Donner's, no matter how sentimental (emphasis on mental) some people get over it. It was a good movie for its time, but anyone who watches it without nostalgia goggles can tell that it's a very dated film, and the fact of the matter is that young people do not watch it with nostalgia goggles, and that's why Bryan Singer's shameless attempts to emulate Donner failed to capture the audience WB wanted. Things like the Atari-game intro sequence and a comedic Lex Luthor with bumbling sidekicks might have seemed great to people who are easily drunken by nostalgia, but to most people under 30 it just comes across as old fashioned.

[dark_b]

Honestly I think they should go about it just like Batman Begins, go back and forth between present and past to give us what we need to know in regards to the origin.you changed your mind?

i think you said you dont like flashbacks back and forth.


start with a huge action scene. then go to flachback. like j.j. abrams story.
showtime ''loves '' it :oldrazz:

[dark_b]

The box office returns for SR are the only poll that matters. Singer spent nearly 300 million to make a movie that was just 3 hours of Donner butt kissing, and it turned off the audience. Donner's movies ARE NOT the be-all-end-all of Superman. They were good, but we haven't seen better because no-one has the balls to actually try to outdo Donner, and instead they just resort to kissing his butt like Bryan Singer.

We CAN have an origin movie better than Donner's, no matter how sentimental (emphasis on mental) some people get over it. It was a good movie for its time, but anyone who watches it without nostalgia goggles can tell that it's a very dated film, and the fact of the matter is that young people do not watch it with nostalgia goggles, and that's why Bryan Singer's shameless attempts to emulate Donner failed to capture the audience WB wanted. Things like the Atari-game intro sequence and a comedic Lex Luthor with bumbling sidekicks might have seemed great to people who are easily drunken by nostalgia, but to most people under 30 it just comes across as old fashioned.so we went from 180 millions to 200 millions to 240 millions to 250 millions. now its 300 millions?

in 10 years SR's budget will be 600 millions.

[Showtime]

you changed your mind?

i think you said you dont like flashbacks back and forth.


start with a huge action scene. then go to flachback. like j.j. abrams story.
showtime ''loves '' it :oldrazz:

As a writer I don't like flashbacks at all, but I think they worked well with Batman Begins. I rather see a Superman Begins in that manner.

[bgshw44]

As a writer I don't like flashbacks at all, but I think they worked well with Batman Begins. I rather see a Superman Begins in that manner.


see i think you can do a sequel in this fashion

[BATZARRO WWD]

But will they get the essense of the character right? Will the movie have heart? :cwink: No tech can do that.

Well, the only way to ever know is to try. As sad as this may sound, the only reason folks now have Dark Knight to gush over is because of continual trial and error, different hands and different creative visions in different creative media. Think about it: Batman is DC's most mediatized character, having twice as many TV shows in the last ten year and more movies per year in the last 20 years. Wich itself creates an interest in the character from the general audience. If you aren't even willing to try and get a new take on it, someone else's take, then yes, no one will get the essence right, because there'll be nothing.

It's a gamble, I can't tell you that the next Superman movie will get the essence of the character right. That'd be a lie. The fact is, I don't know. But what I can tell you is that once ago Superman the Movie outdid a lot of previous multimedia takes on the character. Why? Because they dared to try.

[Mulanzo]

What did your girlfriend say about Doc Manhattan blue schlong?

We haven't seen it yet. Chances are she'll ask "who cast the smurf"

[Anita18]

You got a point there. Everyone knows Batman's origin, yet fans wanted to see that.
Everyone knows he witnessed his parents being killed and as a result became a badass, but no movie had shown how he became a badass. :funny: So even fans wanted to see that.

I strongly disagree with that. I think Superman The Movie is a really good film, it's a fantastic origin, and it's a timeless and magical film that STILL works. Donner got the essense of the character perfectly. Even Nolan and other famous directors agree with that and also say that STM is the best superhero movie to date.
Yes, but not everyone, especially in this generation, has seen STM. And having STM be prerequisite viewing for any future Superman movies is just as bad as having Watchmen the comic be prerequisite reading for seeing the movie.

Heck, my parents were nostalgic for Jack Nicholson's Joker, but they were still able to appreciate TDK's new take on the character. Just because it's been done before (and very well at that), doesn't mean you can't add a new spin to it. It doesn't have to be better, just different. Both will add to the character's mythology.

Is it the end of the "dark approach"? I don't know if at WB they are all idiots, but even a child would understand what is the BIG difference between The Dark Night and the Watchmen. The first one is a dark story about the fall and the rise of a hero, the second one is a dark story about the end of the superheroism. The darkness of TDK exalts the bright heroism of the main character while in the Watchmen it helps only to describe a world without a real hope.
I like that description differentiating the two approaches. Sure, both movies are dark, but used to different ends.

IMO 300 worked because it was something new and fresh. Lots of gore and testosterone fueled rage didnt hurt it either. I'm sure everyone remembers how the guys were acting when leaving the theater, lots of chest beating, etc :D
Exactly. It hit an emotional chord for most - a simplistic movie, but for people to rave about a film, it should strike the audience emotionally somehow. Even if that emotion is "HOO-AH!" :funny:

As a writer I don't like flashbacks at all, but I think they worked well with Batman Begins. I rather see a Superman Begins in that manner.
I was describing how I hated flashbacks to a friend and he pointed out, "Uhhh, but you love Nolan, and he's the flashback king." :funny: I guess when Nolan does flashbacks, they actually seem necessary and not contrived.

Well, the only way to ever know is to try. As sad as this may sound, the only reason folks now have Dark Knight to gush over is because of continual trial and error, different hands and different creative visions in different creative media. Think about it: Batman is DC's most mediatized character, having twice as many TV shows in the last ten year and more movies per year in the last 20 years. Wich itself creates an interest in the character from the general audience. If you aren't even willing to try and get a new take on it, someone else's take, then yes, no one will get the essence right, because there'll be nothing.

It's a gamble, I can't tell you that the next Superman movie will get the essence of the character right. That'd be a lie. The fact is, I don't know. But what I can tell you is that once ago Superman the Movie outdid a lot of previous multimedia takes on the character. Why? Because they dared to try.
Hm, that's an interesting theory.

[Timstuff]

so we went from 180 millions to 200 millions to 240 millions to 250 millions. now its 300 millions?

in 10 years SR's budget will be 600 millions.

The estimates are that the budget for the film, plus the advertising money ended up being around $300 million. The actual production budget of the film, with additional expenses not foreseen in the initial budgeting, was around $250-270 million. That's still not quite as expensive as Spider-Man 3 which cost around 300 million, but at the time it was Warner Bros. most expensive superhero movie (and I think it probably still is). Point is, they sunk around 300 million into it, and barely broke even. Whatever profit they made after the DVD sales was minuscule compared to their box office projections, and it's not even like the DVD tore up any charts. A lot of retailers ended up with tons of surplus stock that they were tossing into bargain bins just to move it off shelves (when I was working at Wal-Mart I got to see this first hand), and for the merchandise, no-one was buying it (I guess most kids just don't want a Lex Luthor action figure).

Superman Returns was not a disaster like some people make it out to be, but it was still a poor film with a very over-bloated marketing campaign. A lot of people put a lot of money into the movie, whether it was Warner Bros. or their merchandising liscensees, and there just wasn't much payoff. Basically, they bet the farm on the wrong horse, simply because back then Bryan Singer was seen as a comic movie god, and no-one was going to question his judgment no matter how ridiculously bad his idea was.

[LadyofLight]

If the plan is to reintroduce Superman then does that mean they are going to trash Routh in favor of a new actor?

[echostation]

please do not waste time on a full origin... just go straight into the action with a thrilling storyline

JJ Abrams had the right idea, start the film off with something big or even if not, just get into a good fast paced tightly written story which in between has flashes of Superman's homeworld of Krypton, almost like how the latest Battlestar Galactica episode did it...

[GreenKToo]

If the plan is to reintroduce Superman then does that mean they are going to trash Routh in favor of a new actor?
There has been talk of him returning, even if it's a reboot.

[LadyofLight]

There has been talk of him returning, even if it's a reboot.


Great! Don't mind that at all just hope they DO recast the Lois Lane role though because Kate Bosworth was terrible.

[GreenKToo]

I think she's out regardless.

[LadyofLight]

Even better!

[LadyofLight]

charm-free is how i would describe the 'worth.

Talent-free would be my description lol.

[BenReilly]

The estimates are that the budget for the film, plus the advertising money ended up being around $300 million. The actual production budget of the film, with additional expenses not foreseen in the initial budgeting, was around $250-270 million.

The production budget for SR was 209 million. Straight from Variety:

"Superman Returns" fell under endless scrutiny for its production budget, which the studio puts at $209 million after tax rebates and incentives. The number is much higher when factoring in more than $40 million in development costs -- "Superman Returns" was in the works for years --even though those costs were previously absorbed.

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117952909.html?categoryid=13&cs=1

[RachelDawes]

The box office returns for SR are the only poll that matters. Singer spent nearly 300 million to make a movie that was just 3 hours of Donner butt kissing, and it turned off the audience. Donner's movies ARE NOT the be-all-end-all of Superman. They were good, but we haven't seen better because no-one has the balls to actually try to outdo Donner, and instead they just resort to kissing his butt like Bryan Singer.

We CAN have an origin movie better than Donner's, no matter how sentimental (emphasis on mental) some people get over it. It was a good movie for its time, but anyone who watches it without nostalgia goggles can tell that it's a very dated film, and the fact of the matter is that young people do not watch it with nostalgia goggles, and that's why Bryan Singer's shameless attempts to emulate Donner failed to capture the audience WB wanted. Things like the Atari-game intro sequence and a comedic Lex Luthor with bumbling sidekicks might have seemed great to people who are easily drunken by nostalgia, but to most people under 30 it just comes across as old fashioned.

After SR I think most fans are ready to move on from the Donnerverse. I'm not sure a Superman reboot would've even been an issue in 2005 except among a vocal minority.

[Showtime]

After SR I think most fans are ready to move on from the Donnerverse. I'm not sure a Superman reboot would've even been an issue in 2005 except among a vocal minority.

I think most fans were ready to move on from the Donnerverse a couple decades ago.

[RachelDawes]

I think most fans were ready to move on from the Donnerverse a couple decades ago.

I'm not surprised to hear this. I think WB just continued the Donnerverse because that's what Singer wanted to do and their attempts to reboot Supes before had been failures.

[Ita-KalEl]

I think most fans are ready for a new movie.

[X Knight]

I think most fans were ready to move on from the Donnerverse a couple decades ago.

Hence, why it still boggles my mind that they decided to go with some vague-pseudo-sequel to the Donner movies......

I mean....they pretty much had the perfect formula with BB......

now....it's much harder to figure out what to do......look at the situation they are in now.......sigh.

[Webhead2006]

Yea i said this before when SR was first going to happen i thought they would have been doing a full on reboot/restart to the series like they did with batman in 05 but no. News came out and we got the vague/quasi sequel to the first two Reeve films instead.

[solidsnake86]

I'm not surprised to hear this. I think WB just continued the Donnerverse because that's what Singer wanted to do and their attempts to reboot Supes before had been failures.

I thought everyone wanted a reboot too back then, but than people started poping out of the wood works saying how STM could never be topped, go to the williams theme song thread and you have your answer.

Had SR's script been leaked from the very beginning I wonder what would have happend. I'm convinced though that the next superman film needs a script leak ala BB and GL.

Just read about transformers in 2011, I can see why they are thinking about batman in 2012, not that batman has anything to be scared about. I can also see superman being more and more likely for christmas of 2011 like GL.

[superadam87]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v284/czhockey110/Superman/superman_cast2.jpg

[Webhead2006]

interesting casting choices could you post who is who i dont know all your picks.

[X Knight]

so....they're already planning a 3rd transformers??!!

and Superman still can't get off of his lead a**.........:cmad: :csad: :waa:

[RachelDawes]

I thought everyone wanted a reboot too back then, but than people started poping out of the wood works saying how STM could never be topped, go to the williams theme song thread and you have your answer.

Like I said earlier, I think they're a vocal minority, but I suspect the theme song has more fans than the actual Donnerverse does.

Had SR's script been leaked from the very beginning I wonder what would have happend.

This board would have exploded. I shudder to think of it.

I'm convinced though that the next superman film needs a script leak ala BB and GL.

True.

Just read about transformers in 2011, I can see why they are thinking about batman in 2012, not that batman has anything to be scared about. I can also see superman being more and more likely for christmas of 2011 like GL.

I think the decision to move Batman back to 2012 had more to do with the Terminator sequel than TF3.

[X Knight]

I still remember that there was one poster here who pretty much guaranteed us that the Kid would NOT be Superman's. In fact, he made a public bet that if he was wrong, he'd eat his rare, unopened Superman comic ( was it Action Comic #1? ) live on web-cam.....

whatever happened to that guy......or that bet??

[RachelDawes]

I still remember that there was one poster here who pretty much guaranteed us that the Kid would NOT be Superman's. In fact, he made a public bet that if he was wrong, he'd eat his rare, unopened Superman comic ( was it Action Comic #1? ) live on web-cam.....

whatever happened to that guy......or that bet??

That is hilarious. :funny: I wish I'd been on these boards during the run-up to SR.

[solidsnake86]

Like I said earlier, I think they're a vocal minority, but I suspect the theme song has more fans than the actual Donnerverse does.



This board would have exploded. I shudder to think of it.



True.



I think the decision to move Batman back to 2012 had more to do with the Terminator sequel than TF3.


Well I think it ultimately had to do with Nolan, but looking at the current schedule and announcements within the past month of movies to be released it makes more sense why WB decided not to announce anything last summer about the status of there movies. I'm glad in a way that superman probably wont be out until 2011 earliest because it gives them time to figure things out, without rushing into things. Plus with batman being pushed back to 2012 it also gives them a push to get something together. Obviously they want another film and with the winter release of GL I can see superman being put in the winter as well.

[X Knight]

That is hilarious. :funny: I wish I'd been on these boards during the run-up to SR.

yah......I remember another time......it was like 2 or 3 weeks before SR was released, and there was an early/leaked script review posted at Ain't It Cool News. It revealed that Jason was Superman's son and that during one scene....he CHUCKED A PIANO ACROSS THE ROOM!

there were ppl here up in arms.....saying......that's ridiculous! That's stupid to make Jason Superman's kid ( after all, Singer kept telling us otherwise.....:whatever: ). Plus, it sounded so lame to have a kid chuck a piano across the room. Some even made avatars joking about that......

Well, we just didn't want to believe that script review......we kept thinking that it must be based off of an older script......surely they changed that in the final script........

well.......we all know how that turned out......:o :csad:

and here we are, going on 3 years later.......back at square one it seems.........hurm.

[FlawlessVictory]

I still remember that there was one poster here who pretty much guaranteed us that the Kid would NOT be Superman's. In fact, he made a public bet that if he was wrong, he'd eat his rare, unopened Superman comic ( was it Action Comic #1? ) live on web-cam.....

whatever happened to that guy......or that bet??

LOL, I believe that was Matches Malone. I don't think it was Action Comics #1 but it was a pile of Superman comics he had. I have no idea what happened to him, I'm sure the comics gave him really bad indigestion. :woot:

yah......I remember another time......it was like 2 or 3 weeks before SR was released, and there was an early/leaked script review posted at Ain't It Cool News. It revealed that Jason was Superman's son and that during one scene....he CHUCKED A PIANO ACROSS THE ROOM!

there were ppl here up in arms.....saying......that's ridiculous! That's stupid to make Jason Superman's kid ( after all, Singer kept telling us otherwise.....:whatever: ). Plus, it sounded so lame to have a kid chuck a piano across the room. Some even made avatars joking about that......

Well, we just didn't want to believe that script review......we kept thinking that it must be based off of an older script......surely they changed that in the final script........

well.......we all know how that turned out......:o :csad:

and here we are, going on 3 years later.......back at square one it seems.........hurm.

I was just lurking at this time but I remember this vividly. This section of the Hype forum was very entertaining. :grin:

[solidsnake86]

The only real news we'll be getting anytime soon is if they hire a director or writers at some point. I can't really see much going on with Superman until the summer and thats only because the GL cameo thing if they can't keep it under wraps or use it to hype up GL itself and the fan base.

[RachelDawes]

yah......I remember another time......it was like 2 or 3 weeks before SR was released, and there was an early/leaked script review posted at Ain't It Cool News. It revealed that Jason was Superman's son and that during one scene....he CHUCKED A PIANO ACROSS THE ROOM!

there were ppl here up in arms.....saying......that's ridiculous! That's stupid to make Jason Superman's kid ( after all, Singer kept telling us otherwise.....:whatever: ). Plus, it sounded so lame to have a kid chuck a piano across the room. Some even made avatars joking about that......

Well, we just didn't want to believe that script review......we kept thinking that it must be based off of an older script......surely they changed that in the final script........

well.......we all know how that turned out......:o :csad:

and here we are, going on 3 years later.......back at square one it seems.........hurm.

So were people here upset after watching SR?

[sf2]

so....they're already planning a 3rd transformers??!!

and Superman still can't get off of his lead a**.........:cmad: :csad: :waa:

WB sucks!!! batman was doing so well, and they can only do it in 2012?????? DC gets yourself out from WB now!!!

[X Knight]

So were people here upset after watching SR?

well....it was pretty much split, pretty much like it is now.......:woot:

some of us ( like myself ) were upset and railed against the film. Some loved it and defended it with great passion. Others were just lukewarm......

it's pretty much like it is now, only now it's less intense. :oldrazz:

I think we all argued the same points over and over until now, we're all just tired. I think we've pretty much given up trying to change each other's viewpoints.....lol.

I think all of us just want some official news.......:waa:

You sure did miss some great arguments, though......:oldrazz:

[manofsteel4life]

:pal:

[Superark]

Ya know Showtime made a very interesting observation over at thinkmcflythink.com. Zac Effron, Scott Porter, Sam Huntington, and Brandon Routh were all at the Watchmen premiere.

Perhaps WB really is getting ready to start unleashing some stuff.

[MAN O STEEL]

Ya know Showtime made a very interesting observation over at thinkmcflythink.com. Zac Effron, Scott Porter, Sam Huntington, and Brandon Routh were all at the Watchmen premiere.

Perhaps WB really is getting ready to start unleashing some stuff.


So because 2 stars of SR go to a movie premiere it suddenly means that SU is underway?. So if Sly Stallone goes to a movie premiere with Burt Young in the near future does that mean he might be doing Rocky 7?:whatever:. Seriously all this grasping at straws, looking into thing's that aren't there is just getting rediculous. I want a new Superman movie as much as anyone here but c'mon.





Steve

[Webhead2006]

Yea why cant actors just be at a premiere to see a film together or to meet other actors and make connections or see friends.

[Mulanzo]

Because there is no such thing as chance. It's all an illusion. So am I.

[Double Down]

THIS (http://thinkmcflythink.squarespace.com/movie-news/2009/3/17/effron-talks-johnny-quest.html) is what Superark was referring to.

[Red Cherry Lips]

Ya know Showtime made a very interesting observation over at thinkmcflythink.com. Zac Effron, Scott Porter, Sam Huntington, and Brandon Routh were all at the Watchmen premiere.

Perhaps WB really is getting ready to start unleashing some stuff.

Let's just hope some solid news on the status of a Superman film gets unleashed quickly. :yay:

[GreenKToo]

I can't help but to think it could be a loooong while before we see another solo Supes film. Nothing, and I mean nothing makes me think otherwise either.

Other CB films are getting announced rapid fire left and right while we get nothing on the Superman front.

I just feel that if W.B. were so high on making another Supes film anytime soon we would at least be getting leaks here and there, like possible writers, director(s), etc.

Maybe i'm wrong to feel this way, I dunno, but it sure doesn't look good to me at this point. We shall see.

[NeoRanger]

I think it's still pretty much in the air. I do believe they're trying to get a Superman movie out, but from what I can tell, they won't think much about canning the character's cinematic venture for a while, if they can't come to a risk-free decision (well, if such a thing existed in this business).

[GreenKToo]

I think it's still pretty much in the air. I do believe they're trying to get a Superman movie out, but from what I can tell, they won't think much about canning the character's cinematic venture for a while, if they can't come to a risk-free decision (well, if such a thing existed in this business).
It's to bad. Superman has the potential to make some really serious cash for them if they could get the right sort of director that would give the public what they want.
But no, they wanna make it hard like rocket science, lol :csad:.

[FilmNerdJamie]

Yea why cant actors just be at a premiere to see a film together or to meet other actors and make connections or see friends.

Don't kid yourself. If Welling had shown up, you'd be jumping up and down talking about it. :whatever:

[GreenKToo]

heh.:D

[Antonello Blueberry]

I was at the Italian premiere of "I am Legend" and shook hands with Will Smith.
Does it mean I'm going to be a zombie in the prequel movie?

[FilmNerdJamie]

I was at the Italian premiere of "I am Legend" and shook hands with Will Smith.
Does it mean I'm going to be a zombie in the prequel movie?

Don't you mean vampire? What the Hell were those things categorized as? :huh:

[GreenKToo]

bad CGI

[manofsteel4life]

Don't kid yourself. If Welling had shown up, you'd be jumping up and down talking about it. :whatever:
:funny:

[JAK®]

That is hilarious. :funny: I wish I'd been on these boards during the run-up to SR.
All they did back then was complain about the suit, the kid, lack of villain/fights and connection to Donner movies. So, basically the same arguments that exist now. Except twice as ignorant, and slightly more homophobic.

[bgshw44]

on side note, i was watching the superman documentary and i cant get over how they ruined the look of the film in post production. these shots were so rich and deep its sad.

[Superark]

So because 2 stars of SR go to a movie premiere it suddenly means that SU is underway?. So if Sly Stallone goes to a movie premiere with Burt Young in the near future does that mean he might be doing Rocky 7?:whatever:. Seriously all this grasping at straws, looking into thing's that aren't there is just getting rediculous. I want a new Superman movie as much as anyone here but c'mon.





Steve

Yea why cant actors just be at a premiere to see a film together or to meet other actors and make connections or see friends.

What's interesting about it is that they were guest and were invited to the premeire by WB. We know Effron is Quest, and Porter and Routh have been rumored to play Flash and Superman. Them attending the Watchmen premiere shows there could be some validity to those rumors. And Huntington being there just makes me wonder.

IMO I think Porter has probably already been chosen and for Flash and I think WB will release news about that anyday now. With recent news about Superman Unleashed I wonder if WB is close to narrowing down a story or screenwriter for the project.
Call it pure optimism and grasping for straws if you'd like, but I have a feeling now that Marvel just let out a huge slew of news on their projects, WB will do the same soon.

[FlawlessVictory]

Call it pure optimism and grasping for straws if you'd like, but I have a feeling now that Marvel just let out a huge slew of news on their projects, WB will do the same soon.

I admire your optimism and I hope you are right. But it's the same thing time and time again. "Maybe we'll hear something at this comic con or at that comic con or by this summer or definitely by this Christmas or Marvel just released a whole bunch of news so maybe WB was waiting for that so that they can release their news, or we will hear something by the time TDK is re-released, or by the Oscars because of TDK or when TDK breaks a billion we are sure to hear something then etc, etc, etc, etc,..."

I really don't expect to hear anything official regarding another Superman movie anytime soon.

[GreenKToo]

I admire your optimism and I hope you are right. But it's the same thing time and time again. "Maybe we'll hear something at this comic con or at that comic con or by this summer or definitely by this Christmas or Marvel just released a whole bunch of news so maybe WB was waiting for that so that they can release their news, or we will hear something by the time TDK is re-released, or by the Oscars because of TDK or when TDK breaks a billion we are sure to hear something then etc, etc, etc, etc,..."

I really don't expect to hear anything official regarding another Superman movie anytime soon.
I agree. We've been in a holding pattern for a while now, and it will prolly continue for a while longer.

[Double Down]

Superark is easily one of my favorite posters. Informed opinions, well-written posts and relentless optimism. Keep it up. :up:

[Superark]

I admire your optimism and I hope you are right. But it's the same thing time and time again. "Maybe we'll hear something at this comic con or at that comic con or by this summer or definitely by this Christmas or Marvel just released a whole bunch of news so maybe WB was waiting for that so that they can release their news, or we will hear something by the time TDK is re-released, or by the Oscars because of TDK or when TDK breaks a billion we are sure to hear something then etc, etc, etc, etc,..."

I really don't expect to hear anything official regarding another Superman movie anytime soon.


I am probably wrong. I usually am when it comes to expecting news to be released by WB. Normally I'm not very optimistic when it comes to this.

But lately I have been I think because of the Unleashed tidbit, the Latino Review story from way back that Routh is still Superman, and Green Lantern gaining some headyway with a director chosen and release date. Plus you add in the rumors of Porter as Flash I just think news is coming.

And on seperate note, Also I've pointed this out before, but I find it very curious that Latino Review, who broke the orginally story about Paul Levitz saying Routh is Superman, hasn't mentioned a single thing about Superman since then. Even with all these Superman rumors that have floated around since then like the Wachoskis, etc etc, they never dicuss it. That itself makes me wonder

[RachelDawes]

I can't help but to think it could be a loooong while before we see another solo Supes film. Nothing, and I mean nothing makes me think otherwise either.

Other CB films are getting announced rapid fire left and right while we get nothing on the Superman front.

I just feel that if W.B. were so high on making another Supes film anytime soon we would at least be getting leaks here and there, like possible writers, director(s), etc.

Maybe i'm wrong to feel this way, I dunno, but it sure doesn't look good to me at this point. We shall see.

Superman is one of WB's biggest comic book properties. I'm sure we'll get a movie sooner rather than later. Keep the faith! :super:

All they did back then was complain about the suit, the kid, lack of villain/fights and connection to Donner movies. So, basically the same arguments that exist now. Except twice as ignorant, and slightly more homophobic.

The Superman board is always the most interesting one on the Hype.

[Superark]

Superark is easily one of my favorite posters. Informed opinions, well-written posts and relentless optimism. Keep it up. :up:


Thank you very much for the kind words Double! :word:

[GreenKToo]

Superman is one of WB's biggest comic book properties. I'm sure we'll get a movie sooner rather than later. Keep the faith! :super:



The Superman board is always the most interesting one on the Hype.
I havent given up completely just yet.:yay:

[Mostpowerful]

The box office returns for SR are the only poll that matters. .

Well, since the film made nearly $400 mil WW, did over $50 mil on rentals and sold well on dvd, I think the film did solidly overall. Oh, and it also got mostly good reviews all around the web. So, no, your argument is not convincing to me.


The estimates are that the budget for the film, plus the advertising money ended up being around $300 million. The actual production budget of the film, with additional expenses not foreseen in the initial budgeting, was around $250-270 million. That's still not quite as expensive as Spider-Man 3 which cost around 300 million, but at the time it was Warner Bros. most expensive superhero movie (and I think it probably still is). Point is, they sunk around 300 million into it, and barely broke even. Whatever profit they made after the DVD sales was minuscule compared to their box office projections, and it's not even like the DVD tore up any charts. A lot of retailers ended up with tons of surplus stock that they were tossing into bargain bins just to move it off shelves (when I was working at Wal-Mart I got to see this first hand), and for the merchandise, no-one was buying it (I guess most kids just don't want a Lex Luthor action figure).

Superman Returns was not a disaster like some people make it out to be, but it was still a poor film with a very over-bloated marketing campaign. A lot of people put a lot of money into the movie, whether it was Warner Bros. or their merchandising liscensees, and there just wasn't much payoff. Basically, they bet the farm on the wrong horse, simply because back then Bryan Singer was seen as a comic movie god, and no-one was going to question his judgment no matter how ridiculously bad his idea was.

That's pure personal opinion. Not a fact.

And I see that you really don't know all the facts, as shown by BenReilly19 with that Variety link. You exagerate things, like a lot of people on the Internet.

[JAK®]

The truth is that even if the best Superman movie ever is released, there will be fans who didn't like it because it wasn't pre-crisis/post-crisis, the actor doesn't look right, the suit isn't right, they don't like the villain, etc. The last thing WB needs to do is please the fans. Watchmen is one of the most faithful adaptions ever and some fans still don't like it.

[Mostpowerful]

Don't kid yourself. If Welling had shown up, you'd be jumping up and down talking about it. :whatever:

So true...


All they did back then was complain about the suit, the kid, lack of villain/fights and connection to Donner movies. So, basically the same arguments that exist now. Except twice as ignorant, and slightly more homophobic.

FANTASTIC post. :up:



Superark is easily one of my favorite posters. Informed opinions, well-written posts and relentless optimism. Keep it up. :up:

Agreed


Superman is one of WB's biggest comic book properties. I'm sure we'll get a movie sooner rather than later. Keep the faith! :super:



.

My thoughts exactly! And if they are thinking of making a JL movie to compete with Marvel, they would REALLY want to make another Superman movie ASAP. There is no JL without Superman.

[Double Down]

I am probably wrong. I usually am when it comes to expecting news to be released by WB. Normally I'm not very optimistic when it comes to this.

But lately I have been I think because of the Unleashed tidbit, the Latino Review story from way back that Routh is still Superman, and Green Lantern gaining some headyway with a director chosen and release date. Plus you add in the rumors of Porter as Flash I just think news is coming.

And on seperate note, Also I've pointed this out before, but I find it very curious that Latino Review, who broke the orginally story about Paul Levitz saying Routh as Superman, has mentioned a single thing about Superman since then. Even with all these Superman rumors that have floated around since then like the Wachoskis, etc etc, they never dicuss it. That itself makes me wonde

If you spend any time talking to the guys from Latino Review, you realize how plugged in they are to just about everything happening in Hollywood. There are some people who like to give you information without making it obvious that they are doing it. The LR guys are like that (and so are Showtime and FilmNerdJamie, while we're at it). The LR guys made that Levitz/Routh story seem goofy in a way, but they were simply confirming information they already knew.
I'll just say this, there are a lot of times where you will see someone in the know making what seems to be an off-handed remark or it will seem like they are "grasping at straws," but there is more to what they are saying than they are letting on.

[Mostpowerful]

The truth is that even if the best Superman movie ever is released, there will be fans who didn't like it because it wasn't pre-crisis/post-crisis, the actor doesn't look right, the suit isn't right, they don't like the villain, etc. The last thing WB needs to do is please the fans. Watchmen is one of the most faithful adaptions ever and some fans still don't like it.

:applaud Bingo. Bravo. Very well said.

Are you listening, Warner Brothers? :cwink: Just make an action-driven sequel with a decent story, some humor, some romance, an interesting and powerful supervillain, and more importantly, keep Brandon Routh as Superman and that's it. And also Market it well to the masses with cool trailers.

[Superark]

If you spend any time talking to the guys from Latino Review, you realize how plugged in they are to just about everything happening in Hollywood. There are some people who like to give you information without making it obvious that they are doing it. The LR guys are like that (and so are Showtime and FilmNerdJamie, while we're at it). The LR guys made that Levitz/Routh story seem goofy in a way, but they were simply confirming information they already knew.
I'll just say this, there are a lot of times where you will see someone in the know making what seems to be an off-handed remark or it will seem like they are "grasping at straws," but there is more to what they are saying than they are letting on.

Those are interesting points Double. Yea wasn't LR the first one to break the news that Routh was Superman back in 2004? I certainly don't folks should question their knowledge about the business.

:applaud Bingo. Bravo. Very well said.

Are you listening, Warner Brothers? :cwink: Just make an action-driven sequel with a decent story, some humor, some romance, an interesting and powerful supervillain, and more importantly, keep Brandon Routh as Superman and that's it. And also Market it well to the masses with cool trailers.

I think you mean a great story! :yay:

[dark_b]

:applaud Bingo. Bravo. Very well said.

Are you listening, Warner Brothers? :cwink: Just make an action-driven sequel with a decent story, some humor, some romance, an interesting and powerful supervillain, and more importantly, keep Brandon Routh as Superman and that's it. And also Market it well to the masses with cool trailers.is the priority a superman movie with brandon or a superman movie. :hehe:

[Mostpowerful]

I think you mean a great story! :yay:

That would be ideal. Of course. I just have my doubts that WB will get it all perfect (or near perfect since there is not such a thing as a perfect movie, much less a superhero one, IMO.)

At least, I got a great story with Superman Returns. ;)


is the priority a superman movie with brandon or a superman movie. :hehe:

I just want the best for Superman. And to me Brandon does justice to the character in every way, so yeah. :o

[Mostpowerful]

BTW, EW.com is asking the following, Who's your favorite pop-culture hero?

So, let's all support Supes! :supes:

http://popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/2009/03/indiana-jones-w.html?cid=151317133#comment-151317133

:)

[SatEL]

I don’t think some of you are being fair to Routh the guy is moving on to bigger and better things you should let him go...........let him go. Stop trying to anchor him down to this franchise let this brilliant young actor be allowed to spread his wings and fly. Its time someone new filled the boots/Cape.

[Nightwing1977]

The box office returns for SR are the only poll that matters.

Really? It made $200 millions. It not huge as WB wanted, but it wasn't a bomb either. Still doesn't support the truth you're saying though.

Singer spent nearly 300 million to make a movie

Actually, you're wrong. Singer didn't spend nearly $300 millions as you claim. Not even close. Maybe you're confusing the rumor of $320 millions US with Australian money.

that was just 3 hours of Donner butt kissing, and it turned off the audience.

So....how did it made $200 millions if it turned off the audience? Maybe it turn off many of the fans, but the audience? Not really.

bad CGI

:funny: :funny:

[JAK®]

Please, lets not argue about this again.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I've said something like this before and I'll say it again, the proof is in the pudding. A fourth Spider-Man movie is coming out in 2011 and Superman 2 still doesn't have a release date or a director or writers for that matter. Something went wrong. Now we can debate till the cows come home what that something was but something went wrong that didn't go wrong with Batman Begins, Spider-Man1,2 and 3, X-men1,2 and 3, Fantastic Four 1 and Iron Man.

I don't think that it was just boxoffice but I'd guess that had something to do with it.

And Jax is right, this convo should end before it gets started again.

[Double Down]

Please, lets not argue about this again.

Agreed.

[RachelDawes]

I don’t think some of you are being fair to Routh the guy is moving on to bigger and better things you should let him go...........let him go. Stop trying to anchor him down to this franchise let this brilliant young actor be allowed to spread his wings and fly. Its time someone new filled the boots/Cape.

I'm guessing this is sarcasm. Well, I'm not letting him go just yet. :oldrazz:

[FaT_tONle]

When did GL get going with the script and writers and preliminary directors? I am trying to equate the time frame between that and a possible December 2011 release for Supes... but Spidey, Thor, Cap... all these 2011 movies are still in the early stages. The scripts probably aren't totally complete for any of those projects. All they got is a director. That said... WB needs to get moving in the Fall latest if they are going to make that date.

[solidsnake86]

If I'm not mistaken it was around 2007 in the summer that they got the writers or maybe they handed in the first draft before the strike for GL.

[FaT_tONle]

Yeah the strike sort of throws off the timeline... plus I am sure WB has or has already had people working on scripts/storyboards for reboots/sequels. Doesn't really mean much until they bring in a director really.

[solidsnake86]

I'm thinking they'll do a director and writers announcement, thats what green lantern had. But its essentially a waiting game because it just feels like they are waiting on something. The longer we are from SR the more I think its ridiculous to even create a semi-sequel. They want to keep Routh, fine, reboot the thing with a begins storyline. You can't go wrong there and wont piss off that many fans, I mean, just look at these boards, most are backtracking on the thoughts of Abrams script.

[Showtime]

The Abrams Script...he he.

[sf2]

I've said something like this before and I'll say it again, the proof is in the pudding. A fourth Spider-Man movie is coming out in 2011 and Superman 2 still doesn't have a release date or a director or writers for that matter. Something went wrong. Now we can debate till the cows come home what that something was but something went wrong that didn't go wrong with Batman Begins, Spider-Man1,2 and 3, X-men1,2 and 3, Fantastic Four 1 and Iron Man.

I don't think that it was just boxoffice but I'd guess that had something to do with it.

And Jax is right, this convo should end before it gets started again.
the only thing seriously went wrong is WB.

[Crook]

You didn't really address her points. :huh:

She's right, if WB had thought SR was a viable stepping stone for future movies, other franchises wouldn't have lapped it already.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

You didn't really address her points. :huh:

She's right, if WB had thought SR was a viable stepping stone for future movies, other franchises wouldn't have lapped it already.G-d, I hate to keep this going...But exactly.

Personally I'm starting to get skeptical of all the rumors/news coming out because after all this time we still don't have any hardcore news. I'm starting to wonder if that website leak (Superman Unleashed) means anything at all. If nothing comes out on the movie this year I'm just going to believe that a redo is WB's next step.

[cronosred]

I really hope the WB will just let go of the past and finally make a new series of Superman films for this generation from the beginning, I feel that also means letting go of Routh and Welling, IMO it would not feel like a real reboot if they used any actor who portrayed Superman in the past.

[Webhead2006]

Yea i totally agree. I would like to see a fresh new start all new everything. Though i am a bit bias and would love to see what welling would do with full on superman. But he isnt the only guy i would be ok with for supes. And i never really was for the idea of trying to do a reboot but keep Routh. If they want a reboot the best thing is to clean slate everything.

[dark_b]

I've said something like this before and I'll say it again, the proof is in the pudding. A fourth Spider-Man movie is coming out in 2011 and Superman 2 still doesn't have a release date or a director or writers for that matter. Something went wrong. Now we can debate till the cows come home what that something was but something went wrong that didn't go wrong with Batman Begins, Spider-Man1,2 and 3, X-men1,2 and 3, Fantastic Four 1 and Iron Man.

I don't think that it was just boxoffice but I'd guess that had something to do with it.

And Jax is right, this convo should end before it gets started again.
i thought we know the story?
first WB wanted a sequel after SR. but there were 2 camps. for sequel and for reboot.then singer was making hes new movie that got some problems. then the one camp won and they wanted to make a JL movie. then some talk with other writters,with singer,.....

and here we are 2009.

[GreenKToo]

I've said something like this before and I'll say it again, the proof is in the pudding. A fourth Spider-Man movie is coming out in 2011 and Superman 2 still doesn't have a release date or a director or writers for that matter. Something went wrong. Now we can debate till the cows come home what that something was but something went wrong that didn't go wrong with Batman Begins, Spider-Man1,2 and 3, X-men1,2 and 3, Fantastic Four 1 and Iron Man.

I don't think that it was just boxoffice but I'd guess that had something to do with it.

And Jax is right, this convo should end before it gets started again.
Also, dont forget that TF 3 has already been slated for 2011, even before 2 comes out.:(

[FilmNerdJamie]

Also, dont forget that TF 3 has already been slated for 2011, even before 2 comes out.:(

Bay says otherwise on that one.

[GreenKToo]

oh yeah? maybe the studio is jumping ahead of themselves then.

[FilmNerdJamie]

Bay is too savvy in the film business to honestly think it was a "mistake" (http://www.shootfortheedit.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3947) on the studio's part.

He and Paramount/DreamWorks are playing a game of "Chicken!" to see who will flinch first.

[GreenKToo]

ahhh. show me the money.

[dark_b]

Bay is too savvy in the film business to honestly think it was a "mistake" (http://www.shootfortheedit.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3947) on the studio's part.
bay having a forum......i can take.

but people on this forum saying mr bay, i trust you,....
now that scares me.

[GreenKToo]

There are very, VERY, few directors they could announce that I would have no fear in trusting Superman with. Directors like Spielberg, Jackson, and Howard fit that mold for me.
Bay, while an interesting choice, would make me slightly fearful. Its a moot point anyway.

[dark_b]

There are very, VERY, few directors they could announce that I would have no fear in trusting Superman with. Directors like Spielberg, Jackson, and Howard fit that mold for me.
Bay, while an interesting choice, would make me slightly fearful. Its a moot point anyway.you mean moo point?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ifdqEmlx-I

[GreenKToo]

lolol.

[Man of Tomorrow]

This guy has a message for all fans of the next Superman film.....the message is midway through it.

It's quite a rant on 'Superman Unleashed'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cp5rrvg5Db4

[dark_b]

This guy has a message for all fans of the next Superman film.....the message is midway through it.

It's quite a rant on 'Superman Unleashed'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cp5rrvg5Db4what is this guy talking about?

yeah hollywood thinks about money. they always have been. how else would they make 200 millions movies?

[Superark]

This guy has a message for all fans of the next Superman film.....the message is midway through it.

It's quite a rant on 'Superman Unleashed'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cp5rrvg5Db4

I guess that is one of Steve's minions from SaveSuperman.com

What a LOSER!

[FilmNerdJamie]

Loved the Shatner-like pauses between rant(s). "Hell-e-wood?" Moron.

[Superark]

That was the most annoying and obnoxious thing I think I have seen all year. This guy is the epitome of a geek who probably lives in his mother's basement is a keyboard warrior.

I wonder if he sent any monkeys to WB's offices?

[Double Down]

I guess that is one of Steve's minions from SaveSuperman.com

What a LOSER!

That's what I was thinking.

[FilmNerdJamie]

I think you're giving King Jackass too much credit.

[dark_b]

i like what they said on http://www.thinkmcflythink.com/

[batman44]

Am I the only one who finds that video hilarious? How on earth did you stumble upon that? I can't stop laughing at this.

[Showtime]

i like what they said on http://www.thinkmcflythink.com/

Which article DB?

[dark_b]

Superman Limbo: Where Has He Gone?

[Showtime]

Superman Limbo: Where Has He Gone?

http://thinkmcflythink.squarespace.com/movie-news/2009/3/17/superman-limbo-where-has-he-gone.html

Bryan Singer’s “Superman Returns” did not meet WB’s projections, the general public’s expectations, or most of the “fanboys” anticipation. The point really can’t be argued because if it did resonate we would already be discussing “Trailer #2” for a film called “Man of Steel” taking flight this July.

Did I enjoy the film? I did. My first go around in theaters I ate up the obsession with trying to recreate the “Donnerverse” because that was the first exposure I had to Superman. Long before I knew he was even a comic book character I was running around in my Superman pajamas enjoying “Superman: The Movie” over and over again on HBO. The problem is fans were ready to say goodbye to the “Donnerverse” a couple of decades ago which is evident by the split this film caused in the fan base and the “shrugging of shoulders” after the general public left the theater. Singer never quite succeeded in continuing the “Donnerverse”, instead creating what is being deemed the “Singerverse”. Many fans consider this version of Superman played by Brandon Routh as a “Bizzaro” version Christopher Reeve’s portrayal, while some have accepted him as the Superman of their generation.


The first time I saw "Superman Returns I watched it and was totally immersed in the film, not really analyzing what I was watching, just watching. By the time I saw it the 2nd time I had already been subjected to the pros and cons via the many forums across the “inter-webs” so I went in prepared. I wanted to look at this from a different point of view, see it in a different light. I found myself agreeing with some of the cons and I saw the film though somebody else’s eyes.


There were certainly many flaws that I was blinded to on my first viewing and although I still liked the film, I could understand why others didn’t. I became a Superman fan in “limbo” and I think a lot of others are experiencing that same feeling. We’re in limbo, just like the next “Superman Film”.


While the fan base argues on forums and we attempt to sift through rumors and speculation, Superman's suit remains on the hanger. I am going to provide you with some articles that I feel are relevant to look over in order to update you on what has become of another Superman film. After you have had a little while to digest what you have read, I’ll continue my multiple part look into what it is like to be in “Superman Limbo”.


Wall Street Journal: Jeff Robinov (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121936107614461929.html?mod=googlenews_wsj)
Latino Review: Paul Levitz (http://www.latinoreview.com/news/exclusive-dc-comics-president-gives-superman-update-5511)
Slashfilm: Legendary Pictures (http://www.slashfilm.com/2009/02/20/exclusive-superman-returns-sequel-to-be-titled-superman-unleashed/)

[Mostpowerful]

"Many fans consider this version of Superman played by Brandon Routh as a “Bizzaro” version Christopher Reeve’s portrayal, while some have accepted him as the Superman of their generation."

I strongly disagree with this part. In my view, and according to polls and fan awards he has won, Many fans consider Brandon as The Superman of this generation. And I think WB, Legendary Pic. and DC know it.

[RachelDawes]

This guy has a message for all fans of the next Superman film.....the message is midway through it.

It's quite a rant on 'Superman Unleashed'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cp5rrvg5Db4

Another one of this guy's rants was linked to on the Watchmen forum. Yes he's an overdramatic idiot. :whatever:

[Showtime]

"Many fans consider this version of Superman played by Brandon Routh as a “Bizzaro” version Christopher Reeve’s portrayal, while some have accepted him as the Superman of their generation."

I strongly disagree with this part. In my view, and according to polls and fan awards he has won, Many fans considered Brandon as The Superman of this generation. And I think WB, Legendary Pic. and DC know it.

It probably should have read more like "some fans" and "some fans" where as it indicated a majority there.

[dark_b]

it was written obvious enough that they didnt mean all.
some people dont like him and some people do like him. but some people dont care.

[Showtime]

I personally don't think the writer was trying to indicate a majority on either side. :cwink:

[dark_b]

who writtes on the site? jamie,you and hunter?

[Showtime]

Double Down as well.

[dark_b]

nice

[GreenKToo]

I pretty much agree with it showy. Like it said, if S.R. had of been what the studio and the fans were expecting it to be, then we would be discussing how awesome or terrible the trailer for M.O.S. is by now.

[Daredevil_2003]

Yeah, depressing to think about it...

[GreenKToo]

It kills me to see all these other films announced while we sit on our a$$es like a dog at the foot of a table, begging for scraps. lol:(

[Ita-KalEl]

It kills me to see all these other films announced while we sit on our a$$es like a dog at the foot of a table, begging for scraps. lol:(

We have faced worse travails. Something will happen in the future...maybe not too soon, but it will happen.

[GreenKToo]

I know, its just frustrating knowing what we could have, but WB doesnt seem to understand that.
On a positive note, GL should be kicka$$.

[Superark]

I think WB won't keep us waiting too much longer. I expect to hear that the wheels are in motion by the summer time. I'm guessing a screen writer will be chosen by then, if one hasn't been already

[GreenKToo]

I hope your right.

[nintendo nerd]

We already knew it wasn't true, Milllar was full of it:


Writer Mark Millar posted an update on his MillarWorld message boards regarding the status of his pitch to Warner Bros. for a Superman movie trilogy...

Warner's talked to us and a few other writer/director teams, but things seem to be in stasis right now. As far as I understand, nothing is happening with Superman at the moment and so the director and I are just working on another project. If it happens, great. If it doesn't, no biggie.

As for who his director friend is...

The director was the one who was approached by WB, not me, so it would be bad form for me to spill the beans. But we're working on our replacement project at the moment and when this gets announced I'd imagine we'll talk a little about Superman.

Millar went on to reaffirm his love for characters like Superman and Batman, but is excited about working on his own creator-owned projects.

Thanks to Eli Gutierrez for the lead on this news.

[FilmNerdJamie]

Well, thank God. If Mark Millar says so, it automatically must be true. Not like he just wants press or anything...

:whatever:

[Showtime]

I believe FNJ already said months ago that Millar would say exactly what he just said. Scary.

[sf2]

I know, its just frustrating knowing what we could have, but WB doesnt seem to understand that.
On a positive note, GL should be kicka$$.

does GL get into shooting already??? i thought it was canned again?

[Daredevil_2003]

It's not shooting yet, but as far as I know they have a script, director (possibly), and a release date of late next year. Unless something really goes wrong, it should be coming...

[Nixon]

does GL get into shooting already??? i thought it was canned again?


Nope. (http://twitter.com/prodweek/status/1352552458) Not yet at least. Right now it's on track to start filming in the late summer/early fall.

[sf2]

Nope. (http://twitter.com/prodweek/status/1352552458) Not yet at least. Right now it's on track to start filming in the late summer/early fall.
but without a director??? that sounds really weird.

and why green lantern??? wonderwoman, flash or ever aquaman are more familiar to the public. WB is really weird in decision making.

[Showtime]

but without a director??? that sounds really weird.

and why green lantern??? wonderwoman, flash or ever aquaman are more familiar to the public. WB is really weird in decision making.

Martin Campbell is directing.

Green Lantern is far more marketable then any of those heroes and the possibilities are endless.

[Double Down]

‘X-Men 3′ Director Brett Ratner Says ‘There’s Nothing Left’ In Comics For Him To Adapt (http://splashpage.mtv.com/2009/03/19/exclusive-x-men-3-director-brett-ratner-says-theres-nothing-left-in-comics-for-him-to-adapt/)

He’s the rumored front-runner to call the shots on a “Conan” revamp, he’s officially onboard to produce and direct an adaptation of Rob Liefeld’s “Youngblood,” and he already has one financially successful comic book adaptation under his belt (2006’s “X-Men: The Last Stand“), but Hollywood heavyweight Brett Ratner isn’t done with comics. In fact, he wants to do more movies based on them.

“I would do any superhero movie that I was asked to do,” Ratner told MTV News. “But I wouldn’t have been interested in ‘Iron Man.’ I have a lot of respect for [Jon Favreau], because to me, it was a B-character. ‘Iron Man’? … But look what he did.”
The ever-outspoken Ratner — who has achieved a “love him or hate him” status among fans — lamented to MTV that he nearly landed a franchise character (namely Superman) but eventually passed on the chance to direct Big Blue’s return to cinemas. He now worries that the ship has sailed on notable characters that have mainstream box office appeal.

“I was so upset when I left ‘Superman,’” said Ratner. “[Bryan] Singer has his ‘X-Men,’ [Christopher] Nolan has ‘Batman‘ — there’s nothing left. ‘Hulk‘ has been exploited already. There’s nothing left for me.”
“I mean, I’m not going to go and do the Silver Surfer or something,” shrugged Ratner.


So Ratner explains that Favreau took a "B-character" and made something of him. Which Ratner says he wouldn't have done and still wouldn't do (he scoffs at Silver Surfer). But he also says he would "do any superhero movie that I was asked to do." :huh:
He's too good for Silver Surfer and Iron Man, but Youngblood is OK?
And he says Singer "has" X-Men, but ... ah, forget it. Ratner makes my head hurt.

[Antonello Blueberry]

He was probably saying there's not a big property for him to bring fresh to the screen. Probably.
That's why he had to settle for Youngblood.
Someone should tell him that Mort, the Dead Teenager is still available, too.

[GreenKToo]

Ratner can only dream about getting a hit like I.M., and directing an iconic character film like Superman.

[batman44]

Ratner is an odd guy, still enjoy his first two Rush Hour movies though.

[X Knight]

I pretty much agree with it showy. Like it said, if S.R. had of been what the studio and the fans were expecting it to be, then we would be discussing how awesome or terrible the trailer for M.O.S. is by now.

well....most likely, we would have already seen MOS, or else we would be eagerly anticipating it's release in just a few months.......:o

[dark_b]

TF came 1 year after SR. the sequel is this year. IM came out last year.......they start filming in weeks. for both movies there was a lot of positive talk from GP.
ohhh and TF was brainless.

i hope they do something similar to IM. not taking itself to serious. have some fun. but still some nice acting.

[GreenKToo]

I hope they try to surround Routh (or whoever gets the gig) with ''WELL KNOWN'' A/B list actors/actresses.
Hiring some CB writers to consult couldn't hurt either.

[Double Down]

I hope they try to surround Routh (or whoever gets the gig) with ''WELL KNOWN'' A/B list actors/actresses.
Hiring some CB writers to consult couldn't hurt either.

I really could get behind the idea of Orci and Kurtzman teaming with Geoff Johns.

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=16576074&postcount=8671

[Ita-KalEl]

Martin Campbell is directing.

Green Lantern is far more marketable then any of those heroes and the possibilities are endless.

Green Lantern with or without the Clark Kent cameo?

[Double Down]

Green Lantern with or without the Clark Kent cameo?

Are you asking whether the cameo wil be in the movie or are you asking whether a Superman cameo will make Green Lantern more marketable?

[GreenKToo]

I dont know if it would make G.L. more marketable or not, but I do know i'd sh.t my draws if the Clark cameo were there.

[Superark]

If the Clark cameo is in the movie I might jump out of my boots!

[Double Down]

As a slight aside, multiple sources are saying Chris Pine has been offered Green Lantern.

[batman44]

^ I would get behind that.

[Showtime]

You mean kind of how Bale is playing a similar character to Batman in Terminator...

[Superark]

As a slight aside, multiple sources are saying Chris Pine has been offered Green Lantern.

I think that is a solid choice. I definitely have no problems with Pine.

[Superark]

The GA won't care if he plays Kirk and Hal.

[Showtime]

yeah , iv'e said that before, but connor and batman are more different than kirk and hal jordan.

prove me wrong, man!

I was being sarcastic. There are no similarities between the characters at all in either comparison. The audience should be able to tell the difference between a guy dressed in a green suit with a glowing green ring who flies around in a movie called Green Lantern which comes out in 2010 between a guy who flies a spaceship around in a movie that is coming out in several months.

[Superark]

how do you know? do you speak for them?

I think Showtime said it best so I'll quote him.

I was being sarcastic. There are no similarities between the characters at all in either comparison. The audience should be able to tell the difference between a guy dressed in a green suit with a glowing green ring who flies around in a movie called Green Lantern which comes out in 2010 between a guy who flies a spaceship around in a movie that is coming out in several months.

[dark_b]

i just hope that the GA can differentiate between him and kirk.they dont care. plain and simple.

my friend really liked TDK. after watching the traielr for terminator salvation he didnt know that it was the same actor like in TDK. they watch and say ''awsome''.

[Showtime]

Thats why they call them actors, because they play different characters in different movies.

[Superark]

I say kudos to WB for selecting Pine (if he takes it)!

I am liking their choices so far for their heroes. I hope Routh makes a cameo

[Ita-KalEl]

Are you asking whether the cameo wil be in the movie or are you asking whether a Superman cameo will make Green Lantern more marketable?

Both

[Double Down]

Too soon to tell and yes (to a very small extent).

[dark_b]

i would like Pine for GL. if those actors are what WB wants for their superheroes(PIne,Worthington) then i am happy.

[Antonello Blueberry]

Thats why they call them actors, because they play different characters in different movies.
You mean he's not going to play again a cocky pilot who learns how to be a hero during the movie?

[DavidTyler]

LOL

I don't really have a problem with Pine playing two of my favourite Science Fiction characters.

There is no reason why he couldn't do both. In fact, it might be a good idea for him to avoid being typecast as 'Kirk'.


....But, just cuz I'm curious.... does that have anything to do with the topic?

[GreenKToo]

No problem here with him playing both Kirk and Hal. Why should he have to limit himself to Star Trek.

[manofsteel4life]

is anyone else excited and worried that they might screw up G.L?:csad:

[GreenKToo]

A little yeah. But if they follow the script without cutting to much, then it should be a doozy of a ride.

[manofsteel4life]

A little yeah. But if they follow the script without cutting to much, then it should be a doozy of a ride.
:csad: lets all hold hands Green

[GreenKToo]

I'm looking forward to it but to be honest, i'm more interested in the future of Superman's film. Thata do while we're waiting tho.

[Nightwing1977]

Nope. (http://twitter.com/prodweek/status/1352552458) Not yet at least. Right now it's on track to start filming in the late summer/early fall.

I thought I heard they may be shooting in Sept. But I really can't wait for GL. :)

I really could get behind the idea of Orci and Kurtzman teaming with Geoff Johns.

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=16576074&postcount=8671

Same here.

And Chris Pine for GL? I prefer they get someone a little older. Someone like Ryan Gosling or something. Hal is suppose to be in his 30ish. Not to mention he is an experienced jet pilot, so you need someone who is young but has the older look.

[Mostpowerful]

SERIOUSLY, even Superman Homepage is reporting that recent stuff about Millar. :huh: I mean, WHY do people take him seriously? Am I missing something? I thought that by now he had lost all credibility, or not?

[GreenKToo]

I guess its just a case of a slow news day and they'll report anything.

[Daredevil_2003]

I like Mark Millar. :(

[dark_b]

i want to know who this director is.

[FilmNerdJamie]

i want to know who this director is.

http://i688.photobucket.com/albums/vv243/FilmNerdJamie/Harvey.jpg

[Nightwing1977]

http://i688.photobucket.com/albums/vv243/FilmNerdJamie/Harvey.jpg

Harvey?!? He going to be the next director? :wow:

[RachelDawes]

http://i688.photobucket.com/albums/vv243/FilmNerdJamie/Harvey.jpg

Ugh, I hope not. I looked up his resume in imdb and was not impressed.

[dark_b]

rachel you are joking right ehehhe :)

[Daredevil_2003]

I think Harvey has an impressive body of work and would be very interested to see his take on The Man of Steel.

[solidsnake86]

well this is rather boring so here's a question, who do you think they'll get first, the writers or a director?

[FilmNerdJamie]

Writers imo.

[dark_b]

I think Harvey has an impressive body of work and would be very interested to see his take on The Man of Steel.the director of this movie? isnt he dead?

[GreenKToo]

Heh. I liked the Harvey comparison.

[FilmNerdJamie]

Thank you. Glad someone got it.

[Showtime]

I just don't understand why he is being stalked by Roger Rabbit.

Writers first.

[Daredevil_2003]

I can't believe no one on here at least knows of the movie Harvey :hehe: Harvey is the big rabbit, guys.

[dark_b]

i dont get it.

[Showtime]

I can't believe no one on here at least knows of the movie Harvey :hehe: Harvey is the big rabbit, guys.

...I know...

[GreenKToo]

hippity hoppy....

[RachelDawes]

rachel you are joking right ehehhe :)

Yes. :yay:

Thank you. Glad someone got it.

I got it, hence my joke. :cwink:

[Webhead2006]

i got the joke pretty quickly myself.

[DavidTyler]

I can't believe no one on here at least knows of the movie Harvey :hehe: Harvey is the big rabbit, guys.

Not only do I know of Harvey but I have my own personal Pooka... only mine's a little blonde .... or is she a genie? I have the bottle but she won't get back in it.

[GreenKToo]

I prefer genie's. I wish I could have been in Tony Nelson's shoes. Talk about wasting your wishes.:oldrazz:

[DavidTyler]

...I know...


that avatar is disturbing....

Kind of like Hitchcock's original final shot of Norman in jail where he subliminally superimposed the grinning mummified face of his mother over Norman.

[Showtime]

I've gotten that one and the Exorcist not so subliminal face.

[Double Down]

I've gotten that one and the Exorcist not so subliminal face.

You have the best avatar out of everyone here -- and you are not even using it. I demand the return of Superman!

[Showtime]

You have the best avatar out of everyone here -- and you are not even using it. I demand the return of Superman!

The "Wams" avatar that was manipulated by Dark B. That is one of the best ones I have. I am waiting for Superman to be announced and he will come back.

[Double Down]

I wonder if avatars will be obsolete by then ...

[Showtime]

The Hype might not exist.

[Double Down]

...

[Captain Kirk]

WB needs to get there act together. If I were in charge I'd set out a definite plan to unite all the DC films. Starting with Green Lantern, and seeing as there is a rumored cameo of Superman in GL I'd make the Superman Reboot the next film after GL. Completely new cast and start from scratch! Come on WB you have all of DC comics library of characters available to you so lets get on it!

[GreenKToo]

The problem is, W.B. is not limited to CB films like marvel is. They can, and are, taking their sweet time with them despite all of the fans bellyaching (including my own)

[DavidTyler]

The Hype might not exist.

Unless someone puts a stake thru my heart, I should be around.... of course, I speak metaphorically because, being a vampire, 'around' implies being alive and I haven't been since the civil war.

[Ita-KalEl]

If someone is interested, Watchmen is performing terribly

1 Knowing $ 24,813,000 3,332 1 $ 7,447 $ 24,813,000 Summit
2 I Love You, Man 18,005,000 2,711 1 6,641 18,005,000 Paramount
3 Duplicity 14,402,000 2,574 1 5,595 14,402,000 Universal
4 Race to Witch Mountain 13,004,000 24,402,214 -46.7 3,187 2 4,080 44,715,000 Buena Vista
5 Watchmen 6,720,000 17,817,301 -62.3 3,510 3 1,915 98,060,000 Warner Bros.
6 The Last House on the Left 5,921,000 14,118,685 -58.1 2,402 2 2,465 24,047,000 Universal
7 Taken 4,100,000 6,568,651 -37.6 2,661 8 1,541 133,139,000 Fox
8 Slumdog Millionaire 2,700,000 5,002,777 -46.0 2,067 19 1,306 137,202,000 Fox Searchlight
9 Madea Goes to Jail 2,510,000 5,108,532 -50.9 1,835 5 1,368 87,208,000 Lionsgate
10 Coraline 2,143,000 2,718,231 -21.2 1,431 7 1,498 72,803,000 Focus

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I wonder if it will have some impact on Superman.

[Captain Kirk]

If someone is interested, Watchmen is performing terribly

1 Knowing $ 24,813,000 3,332 1 $ 7,447 $ 24,813,000 Summit
2 I Love You, Man 18,005,000 2,711 1 6,641 18,005,000 Paramount
3 Duplicity 14,402,000 2,574 1 5,595 14,402,000 Universal
4 Race to Witch Mountain 13,004,000 24,402,214 -46.7 3,187 2 4,080 44,715,000 Buena Vista
5 Watchmen 6,720,000 17,817,301 -62.3 3,510 3 1,915 98,060,000 Warner Bros.
6 The Last House on the Left 5,921,000 14,118,685 -58.1 2,402 2 2,465 24,047,000 Universal
7 Taken 4,100,000 6,568,651 -37.6 2,661 8 1,541 133,139,000 Fox
8 Slumdog Millionaire 2,700,000 5,002,777 -46.0 2,067 19 1,306 137,202,000 Fox Searchlight
9 Madea Goes to Jail 2,510,000 5,108,532 -50.9 1,835 5 1,368 87,208,000 Lionsgate
10 Coraline 2,143,000 2,718,231 -21.2 1,431 7 1,498 72,803,000 Focus

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I wonder if it will have some impact on Superman.Yeah, maybe it will show them that most audiences prefer their Superhero films to be uplifting and inspiring, and not dark and depressing! This could actually be good news for Superman fans! Just say no to a dark brooding Superman!:yay: