Reintroducing Superman: An Open Discussion

[VenomsMom]

This could also potentially be the thing that puts Superman back into production hell again.
You aint lyin......it took decades to finally get supes back on the big screen because of all the various problems and now we are suppose to believe the ball is rolling and the indecisive powers are going to get Supes back in 3 years. i find that hard to believe. i was all for a reboot but realistically this is gonna tak time.

[FlawlessVictory]

They haven't found the right approach yet??

The answer is obviously no, didn't you watch SR? :hehe:

[JackMercy]

Ehhh....what the hell does that mean? It's either a reboot or not. If Singer and the rest of the cast are gone, what else could it possibly be?

:huh:

My interpretation of this is that they're talking about the actual approach to the kind of story they want to tell -- which is, presumably, a break from what's come before, and is of course still to be determined... But in general approach, using The Incredible Hulk as an example, you have:

A) The original script, and apparently the original cut, which included bits and pieces of an origin interspersed throughout the film in a "mystery" type narrative (yes, I know this was somewhat done in Returns).

B) The theatrical version, which incorporated a brief origin during the opening credits -- these sequences were originally intended to be other places in the movie...

And then there's possibilities such as:

C) A completely re-done epic origin film.

D) Perhaps no origin elements whatsoever?



Either way, it's about the approach to the "reintroduction"...

That one's for free...

:word:

[WolfCypher]

Awesome news. The Dark Knight (well, as early as Batman Begins) proved DC can have good (well, phenomenal) movies. Wonder Woman NEEDS a movie!

Anyway, I'm sorta excited for the next Superman movie (I hope its still called MOS) now that I know its a reboot.

[Spider-Fan]

I think that after 30 years they've come to realize that it is time to finally retire the Donner franchise which is essentially what Singer was a part of. Batman came back to life when they finally let go of everything that started with Burton in 89 and now it time to start Superman from scratch.

And I think they want to build everything from the universe that Nolan built. Not ground Superman in reality or anything like that, but I believe they want to start linking the films to get to JLA.

They may want to link the films, but they still may need to link them with a new Batman. Bale is only under contract for 3, and there is no telling he'd do a JLA after that.

I also hope they don't link them too much. I don't want superhero cameos in the 3rd Batman movie. End that trilogy and let it stand on its own merit.

[FlawlessVictory]

If they get Flash and GL with one in the summer, that is fine (as we would have 3 in the summer counting IM2 and Thor).

Now, 2011 is a problem. Cap and Avengers is targeted for 2011. Now Supes is, BB3 might also be, and Sony expressed interest in SM4 for May 2011. That would be 5 movies. This means someone needs moved to 2012, or two need to be moved to one in early 2011 (Feb-May) and one in the summer.

These 2 years are getting crowded.

If a Superman film comes out in 2011, I'm sure it would be a winter release.

[DieSmiling]

Y'know, I dunno about anyone else...

but I don't consider this much of a confirmation. :eek:

It's a confirmation that they'd like to do another Superman film, sure, but... beyond that? I don't see much confirming of anything "Superman 2" related.

What do you mean? It's a confirmation that

A) They're making a new Superman film, aiming to release it in 2-3 years and

B) It won't be connected in any way to Superman Returns

That's more of a confirmation than we've had Superman related in quite some time...

[Showtime]

Do they even know who the heck are the writer(s) and who they have in mind for a director....I find it surprising that they would try and release a freakin Superman movie that is supposed to be darker more brooding around the holidays in 2011??

Wait and see, it will all come out. Be patient.

Thanks for the updates Showtime!

Wow, I can't believe they don't have any writers. That makes me a little more frustrated. I could understand the reboot a little more if WB heard a pitch they were estatic about, but nope. They basically just decided to dump Singer. Instead of dragging this whole mess out they should have came out about a reboot a long time ago. I mean they didn't even let Singer's boys Hayter or McQuarrie take a shot at a script. I just find that dumb.

It isnt as if they didn't try with Singer, trust me, they did.

Ehhh....what the hell does that mean? It's either a reboot or not. If Singer and the rest of the cast are gone, what else could it possibly be?

:huh:

Mentioned a reboot similar to what happened with Hulk, meaning the reboot approach might change, not that it is in fact a reboot.

[SuperDaniel]

I vote complete origin but not linear. That means not starting in Krypton . We find out about it together with Superman when Brainiac appears in the middle of the movie.

Villains should be Corporate Luthor and Brainiac.

[Spider-Fan]

If a Superman film comes out in 2011, I'm sure it would be a winter release.

I hope so. The summer can't be overloaded like it is becoming. Someone will suffer in the BO if all come out in the summer.

[Showtime]

My interpretation of this is that they're talking about the actual approach to the kind of story they want to tell -- which is, presumably, a break from what's come before, and is of course still to be determined... But in general approach, using The Incredible Hulk as an example, you have:

A) The original script, and apparently the original cut, which included bits and pieces of an origin interspersed throughout the film in a "mystery" type narrative (yes, I know this was somewhat done in Returns).

B) The theatrical version, which incorporated a brief origin during the opening credits -- these sequences were originally intended to be other places in the movie...

And then there's possibilities such as:

C) A completely re-done epic origin film.

D) Perhaps no origin elements whatsoever?



Either way, it's about the approach to the "reintroduction"...

That one's for free...

:word:

Wow. That is pretty much right on, it as if you picked WB's brain...:o

[FlawlessVictory]

I think that after 30 years they've come to realize that it is time to finally retire the Donner franchise which is essentially what Singer was a part of. Batman came back to life when they finally let go of everything that started with Burton in 89 and now it time to start Superman from scratch.

And I think they want to build everything from the universe that Nolan built. Not ground Superman in reality or anything like that, but I believe they want to start linking the films to get to JLA.

Totally agreed. WB is probably thinking that Nolan's Batman will be the lynchpin of the JLA film, and these other superheroes will now be put in a universe where they could co-exit with Nolan's Batman.

[echostation]

My source that has pretty much remained quiet who first broke this idea well well well back early on when WB was considering waiting to see what the Incredible Hulk was going to be like was pretty much bang on the spot... he doesn't get too many scoops in general but I am not surprised at all by this since the re-do side has been gaining greater and greater strength for the past year or so...

[Dark Knight]

The answer is obviously no, didn't you watch SR? :hehe:



Exactly....they know they want a reboot...but they don't what kind of reboot they want yet? They should have hired screenwriters and have a director in mind by now....

[Nixon]

It isnt as if they didn't try with Singer, trust me, they did.


Curious, can you elaborate at all on this?

Is it the whole "we'll put something together and see if Singer is on board or not" thing?

[FilmNerdJamie]

Honestly, I wouldn't be too worried (if at all frankly) about Robinov's "dark tones" comments towards the new Superman film. There isn't a director or screenwriter(s) currently working on it. Nor do they have an actual story lined up that they've all agreed upon. Thus...they have no idea about the tone.

This is basically coming from a real high at the moment what with The Dark Knight kicking so much ass at the box-office. He's just talking out loud throwing out basic ideas, folks. Nothing more...

[SuperDaniel]

Well, to me it was down to the fact Singer wanted to continue with the(stupid!) Super son idea and WB wanted CLASSIC Superman.

Gess who won?

[FaT_tONle]

Totally agreed. WB is probably thinking that Nolan's Batman will be the lynchpin of the JLA film, and these other superheroes will now be put in a universe where they could co-exit with Nolan's Batman.

Have we been drinking lately or am I just misinterpreting what you meant by this? Like Hero references in BB3? Because I just don't see it. I think Superman, WW, and Lantern will be somehwat connected. But I don't this means that Bale will be showing up in Justice League... a movie obviously years away.

[VenomsMom]

I hope so. The summer can't be overloaded like it is becoming. Someone will suffer in the BO if all come out in the summer.
Not a chance they touch summer of 2011.

[Hole Shot]

They may want to link the films, but they still may need to link them with a new Batman. Bale is only under contract for 3, and there is no telling he'd do a JLA after that.

I also hope they don't link them too much. I don't want superhero cameos in the 3rd Batman movie. End that trilogy and let it stand on its own merit.

If I had to bet, Bale won't play Batman in a JLA movie. But at the very least I think WB wants to have Nolan/Bale's Batman in the JLA movie. So it may be a different actor but he's in line with the continuity of the Nolan films. Rather than this alternate thing with a bunch of kids in their early 20's that Justice League Mortal was doing.

[FlawlessVictory]

Honestly, I wouldn't be too worried (if at all frankly) about Robinov's "dark tones" comments towards the new Superman film. There isn't a director or screenwriter(s) currently working on it. Nor do they have an actual story lined up that they've all agreed upon. Thus...they have no idea about the tone.

This is basically coming from a real high at the moment what with The Dark Knight kicking so much ass at the box-office. He's just talking out loud throwing out basic ideas, folks. Nothing more...

Yea, that makes sense, thanks to you and Show for hooking us up all the time with the info. :up:

[Ita-KalEl]

Showtime, I'm really happy with these news. But Are at WB able to reboot a movie like Superman?
They have to choice a new lead actor, a new director, a new script a new cast, new locations in few months!

[Superark]

Wait and see, it will all come out. Be patient.



It isnt as if they didn't try with Singer, trust me, they did.



Mentioned a reboot similar to what happened with Hulk, meaning the reboot approach might change, not that it is in fact a reboot.


So do you know what in the end ultimately happened with Singer and WB that caused the reboot? I mean I know all the other stuff about, but what was the final straw?

[FlawlessVictory]

Have we been drinking lately or am I just misinterpreting what you meant by this? Like Hero references in BB3? Because I just don't see it. I think Superman, WW, and Lantern will be somehwat connected. But I don't this means that Bale will be showing up in Justice League... a movie obviously years away.

If it doesn't happen, it doesn't happen. But for you to say 100% it won't happen is wrong, you don't know that. I'm simply speculating. But why wouldn't the studio think along those lines. They now have a hero who will be in the second biggest movie of all time. Why wouldn't they try to get the most out of him by getting a 3rd Batman film and an appearance in a JLA film?

Edit: Oh yea, but no hero references in BB3. Just creating a similar universe/tone among all the other heroes where if Nolan's Batman popped up (in the JLA film) people wouldn't freak b/c of the differences in tone of movies.

[FaT_tONle]

If they get Flash and GL with one in the summer, that is fine (as we would have 3 in the summer counting IM2 and Thor).

Now, 2011 is a problem. Cap and Avengers is targeted for 2011. Now Supes is, BB3 might also be, and Sony expressed interest in SM4 for May 2011. That would be 5 movies. This means someone needs moved to 2012, or two need to be moved to one in early 2011 (Feb-May) and one in the summer.

These 2 years are getting crowded.

Here is the list for 2011 movies at this point...

Captain America
SM4
Avengers
BB3
Superman reboot
Another DC film
MAYBE a Fox X-men spinoff

Yeah I think the GA is going to be completely fed up with superhero movies by 2011. Good for us fan boys... but oversaturation is going to be the killer of the genre... :csad:

[SuperDaniel]

To me there's only one approach. Brainiac, corporate Luthor and flashbacks to Krypton as we find out about Brainiac later on.

Smallville origin scenes like Superman for all seasons are a must, IMO!!

[Ita-KalEl]

Honestly, I wouldn't be too worried (if at all frankly) about Robinov's "dark tones" comments towards the new Superman film. There isn't a director or screenwriter(s) currently working on it. Nor do they have an actual story lined up that they've all agreed upon. Thus...they have no idea about the tone.

This is basically coming from a real high at the moment what with The Dark Knight kicking so much ass at the box-office. He's just talking out loud throwing out basic ideas, folks. Nothing more...

So they haven't anything ready but they want it within three years...

[Spider-Fan]

Not a chance they touch summer of 2011.

I'm already trying to figure out who ends up moving out of 2011. Someone can survive in the Winter (probably Superman gets it), but we still have 4 movies. Cap, SM4, BB3, and Avengers all looking at 2011 also. I think Cap is the only one I see as a lock for 2011. One of the other 3 I think should move to 2012. I look at BB3 and Avengers as the best candidates. BB3 has no development, and Avengers can't be hurt by forcing a 1 year wait between it and Cap. SM4 at least has an early script draft in.

[VenomsMom]

Honestly, I wouldn't be too worried (if at all frankly) about Robinov's "dark tones" comments towards the new Superman film. There isn't a director or screenwriter(s) currently working on it. Nor do they have an actual story lined up that they've all agreed upon. Thus...they have no idea about the tone.

This is basically coming from a real high at the moment what with The Dark Knight kicking so much ass at the box-office. He's just talking out loud throwing out basic ideas, folks. Nothing more...
I agree. People are putting to much into this dark and brooding Superman. He is not going to catch common thugs and break their necks. It may imply more about the villains or happenings on Krypton.

[FilmNerdJamie]

Here is the list for 2011 movies at this point...

Captain America
SM4
Avengers
BB3
Superman reboot
Another DC film
MAYBE a Fox X-men spinoff

Yeah I think the GA is going to be completely fed up with superhero movies by 2011. Good for us fan boys... but oversaturation is going to be the killer of the genre... :csad:

Eh, I wouldn't bank on all of the films listed above coming out in 2011...

[Dark Knight]

Honestly, I wouldn't be too worried (if at all frankly) about Robinov's "dark tones" comments towards the new Superman film. There isn't a director or screenwriter(s) currently working on it. Nor do they have an actual story lined up that they've all agreed upon. Thus...they have no idea about the tone.

This is basically coming from a real high at the moment what with The Dark Knight kicking so much ass at the box-office. He's just talking out loud throwing out basic ideas, folks. Nothing more...



Thats what I kinda figured....thanks for the clarification Jaime.

Too much chatter and talk is still happening with Superman and not enough actual action being done for me....in regards to who the screenwriters are, what the story may be about and who the possible director might be.

Round and round and round we go again on the Superman ferris wheel. I'm getting off this ride until something real substantial happens and jumping to a new one....GREEN LANTERN.

[Superark]

People need to chill out. A great Superman movie is comming finally.

Great, so you've read a script then? :cwink:

[Spider-Fan]

If I had to bet, Bale won't play Batman in a JLA movie. But at the very least I think WB wants to have Nolan/Bale's Batman in the JLA movie. So it may be a different actor but he's in line with the continuity of the Nolan films. Rather than this alternate thing with a bunch of kids in their early 20's that Justice League Mortal was doing.

I doubt Bale does a 4th Batman of JLA movie myself. They'll have to get new Bats for it.

Here is the list for 2011 movies at this point...

Captain America
SM4
Avengers
BB3
Superman reboot
Another DC film
MAYBE a Fox X-men spinoff

Yeah I think the GA is going to be completely fed up with superhero movies by 2011. Good for us fan boys... but oversaturation is going to be the killer of the genre... :csad:

I know. This is getting insane. People need to move, or start claiming other periods besides the summer.

[SuperDaniel]

Great, so you've read a script then? :cwink:

Better than Returns, i'm sure.

[Ita-KalEl]

I'm already trying to figure out who ends up moving out of 2011. Someone can survive in the Winter (probably Superman gets it), but we still have 4 movies. Cap, SM4, BB3, and Avengers all looking at 2011 also. I think Cap is the only one I see as a lock for 2011. One of the other 3 I think should move to 2012. I look at BB3 and Avengers as the best candidates. BB3 has no development, and Avengers can't be hurt by forcing a 1 year wait between it and Cap. SM4 at least has an early script draft in.

IMO SM4 and The Avengers movie will not happen in 2011.

[Crook]

Mentioned a reboot similar to what happened with Hulk, meaning the reboot approach might change, not that it is in fact a reboot.
Would this not indicate that there in fact IS an idea for how to approach a reboot? Technically speaking, you cannot change a course that doesn't yet exist.

Here is the list for 2011 movies at this point...

Captain America
SM4
Avengers
BB3
Superman reboot
Another DC film
MAYBE a Fox X-men spinoff

Yeah I think the GA is going to be completely fed up with superhero movies by 2011. Good for us fan boys... but oversaturation is going to be the killer of the genre... :csad:
Hardly any of those have a director attached, let alone a script and cast. They may very well be planned for 2011, but they're in "limbo" as well.

[nintendo nerd]

As long as Routh is back, I'll be happy. :applaud

Unfortunately, that's not going to happen. :csad:

Nice avatar, by the way. :yay:

[Spider-Fan]

Eh, I wouldn't bank on all of the films listed above coming out in 2011...

I doubt it also, but the question is who moves? I only look at the big 4 (Supes can do well in the Winter), and I say one of them needs to move.

[FaT_tONle]

If it doesn't happen, it doesn't happen. But for you to say 100% it won't happen is wrong, you don't know that. I'm simply speculating. But why wouldn't the studio think along those lines. They now have a hero who will be in the second biggest movie of all time. Why wouldn't they try to get the most out of him by getting a 3rd Batman film and an appearance in a JLA film?

Edit: Oh yea, but no hero references in BB3. Just creating a similar universe/tone among all the other heroes where if Nolan's Batman popped up (in the JLA film) people wouldn't freak b/c of the differences in tone of movies.

I just don't think dark and realistic are the same thing. You can only do so much with a characters like Superman and Flash. Those aren't realistic characters. They can work in the superhero world I guess. WW can be a little dark but I don't think that means realistic either. But you'd really be pulling my strings sticking Green Lantern and Martian Manhunter in Nolan's world. Whatever it ends up being... it is what it is. My take is... do JLA like three years after BB3 but bring in another actor for Bruce Wayne. The rest of the cast of characters they can keep. I just don't see Bale coming anywhere near this film... which is fine. It can still be a decent film. And they can still use a continuation of Nolan's Batman in JLA with minor tweaks here and there of course. More sci fi gadgets and devices and stuff like that.

[Spider-Fan]

IMO SM4 and The Avengers movie will not happen in 2011.

SM4 is already in development. They have a writer, and I think a first draft. That is further than either Avengers of BB3. I think Avengers won't end up in 2011 if one of the four is to move. I do think Sony gets SM4 out by 2011 unless they themselves choose to delay it.

[Coleman Reese]

I've heard WB people read these forums and I just want to take this post to lend my support to WB and Robinov for what they are doing with Superman. I think the dark direction is the absolute way to go. You guys over at WB had a scheme and tried to come up with plans where Superman would ride the coat tails of Donner's films. Look where that got you.

Go back to JJ Abrams script and pull out some elements to form a new origin story. People want jaded, dark characters. This is what captures their interest not perfect idealists that no one can relate to.

And definitely rework the suit by making the colors darker preferably with a subtle hue of the primary colors. In other words a suit that overall looks black or midnight blue with a hint of the primary colors barely coming through.

Go WB! Go Jeff Robinov! I'm with you guys 100%!

[Showtime]

Would this not indicate that there in fact IS an idea for how to approach a reboot? Technically speaking, you cannot change a course that doesn't yet exist.

What's your point?

An approach or template is a different story then a plot ie pitch, treatment, outline or script.

[VenomsMom]

I'm already trying to figure out who ends up moving out of 2011. Someone can survive in the Winter (probably Superman gets it), but we still have 4 movies. Cap, SM4, BB3, and Avengers all looking at 2011 also. I think Cap is the only one I see as a lock for 2011. One of the other 3 I think should move to 2012. I look at BB3 and Avengers as the best candidates. BB3 has no development, and Avengers can't be hurt by forcing a 1 year wait between it and Cap. SM4 at least has an early script draft in.
So....other than Iron Man what is in for 2010?

[Crook]

What's your point?

An approach or template is a different story then a plot ie pitch, treatment, outline or script.
I was under the impression that Warner Bros. had absolutely NO idea where to take this franchise, except that it didn't involve Singer or his crew.

[Spider-Fan]

So....other than Iron Man what is in for 2010?

WB has 1 or 2 DC films planned (I'd assume Flash and GL), and Marvel says Thor, but Thor seems to be moving at a snails pace to me since Vaughn left.

[Showtime]

I was under the impression that Warner Bros. had absolutely NO idea where to take this franchise, except that it didn't involve Singer or his crew.

They want to do a reboot, and there are many ways to approach a reboot. They don't have a script or story yet...

My interpretation of this is that they're talking about the actual approach to the kind of story they want to tell -- which is, presumably, a break from what's come before, and is of course still to be determined... But in general approach, using The Incredible Hulk as an example, you have:

A) The original script, and apparently the original cut, which included bits and pieces of an origin interspersed throughout the film in a "mystery" type narrative (yes, I know this was somewhat done in Returns).

B) The theatrical version, which incorporated a brief origin during the opening credits -- these sequences were originally intended to be other places in the movie...

And then there's possibilities such as:

C) A completely re-done epic origin film.

D) Perhaps no origin elements whatsoever?



Either way, it's about the approach to the "reintroduction"...

That one's for free...

:word:

[Hole Shot]

I doubt Bale does a 4th Batman of JLA movie myself. They'll have to get new Bats for it.

But do get what I mean by not having Bale in the film but still having Bale's Batman in it?

[FaT_tONle]

IMO SM4 and The Avengers movie will not happen in 2011.

SO they are moving because of a Superman reboot? BB3 can only clog up one month. So two months are left still if we are talking summer releases. But even if you are talking Holiday releases... Spidey, Cap, and Superman in one year (12 month span) is unheard of.

[Ita-KalEl]

IMO we still don't know the approach like we didn't know the results of the WB/DC summit. We are starting to know them now, and they are terrific.
If we don't know a fact, it doesn't mean that the fact doesn't exist.

IMO things are moving forward for the script and for the writers.

[Spider-Fan]

But do get what I mean by not having Bale in the film but still having Bale's Batman in it?

I see what you mean, but I am not sure exactly how much of the BB series they will actually reference in JLA.

[FilmNerdJamie]

Honestly...I wouldn't bank on Spider-Man 4. James Vanderbilt was hired late last year - a week or two before the WGA Strike hit. Thus he at least had a treatment/outline worked out that was presented to Sony and approved for him to further develop.

Since then, we've heard absolutely.nothing! Yes, I realize there were those "They're gonna do Spider-Man 4 and 5 at the same time!" rumors. But we've heard similiar claims regarding X-Men 3 (back when Bryan was supposed to do it) and Spider-Man 3.

The fact that its been close to a year(!) since he was given the gig without a single official statement from the studio on the matter doesn't build too terribly much confidence in me for Webhead.

[Hole Shot]

And definitely rework the suit by making the colors darker preferably with a subtle hue of the primary colors. In other words a suit that overall looks black or midnight blue with a hint of the primary colors barely coming through.



No


And definitely rework the suit by making the colors darker preferably with a subtle hue of the primary colors. In other words a suit that overall looks black or midnight blue with a hint of the primary colors barely coming through.



No

[TheBatman1979]

I really think people in this thread cant read!

DARK TO THE EXTENT THE CHARACTERS ALLOW IT was very clear to me.

He means serious with relevant themes.

And who decides how much the Characters will allow? Jon Peters? Great, anyone want to **** my mother while pouring sugar in my gas tank?

[BrollySupersj]

I am upset, and a little excited at the same time.

Upset for that fact that I LOVED Superman Returns, I thought Singer did a great job, sure it could have used a little more action, but what we got was just fine. Another reason is the threat of no Routh, I don't give a damn what anyone says, he was a great Superman and Clark Kent, I want to see more of him.

Now, I'm excited because, well, WB is FINALLY moving ahead with a new Superman movie, but still, my being upset out weighs being excited.

Don't fail me WB.

[Spider-Fan]

Honestly...I wouldn't bank on Spider-Man 4. James Vanderbilt was hired late last year - a week or two before the WGA Strike hit. Thus he at least had a treatment/outline worked out that was presented to Sony and approved for him to further develop.

Since then, we've heard absolutely.nothing! Yes, I realize there were those "They're gonna do Spider-Man 4 and 5 at the same time!" rumors. But we've heard similiar claims regarding X-Men 3 (back when Bryan was supposed to do it) and Spider-Man 3.

The fact that its been close to a year(!) since he was given the gig without a single official statement from the studio on the matter doesn't build too terribly much confidence in me for Webhead.

Raimi also said Sony was going to show him the script soon not that long ago. Look up the interview on youtube. This tells us they have an early draft at the least.

Plus, X3 came out in a timely fashion after the 2 movie idea was floated.

[FilmNerdJamie]

Peters will have as much involvement with the new film as he did with Returns (i.e. name-only Producer credit!)

[Double Down]

And who decides how much the Characters will allow? Jon Peters? Great, anyone want to **** my mother while pouring sugar in my gas tank?

:pal:

[FilmNerdJamie]

Raimi also said Sony was going to show him the script soon not that long ago.

Raimi saying that is the exact same as Singer talking about the Returns sequel to Empire from awhile back.

Like I said, we haven't heard anything from the studio...

[Hole Shot]

I see what you mean, but I am not sure exactly how much of the BB series they will actually reference in JLA.

I think they just simply want someone that will look and act like Bale's Batman. That's why the George Miller JLA movie was looking to be such a trainwreck. They wanted to have Batman in a movie but didn't want to step on the toes of the current Batman franchise, so they had to create some type of alternate universe in order not to confuse people but it still wouldn't have made a differnce. I mean it's only now safe to say that most people figured out that BB wasn't a prequel to Batman 89. What do you think would happen if they have two Batman at the same time?

They want to make sure the individual movies and the JLA movie won't contradict or confuse. So they could either totally screw with the Batman they have now, who happens to be kicking all sorts of profitable ass, in order to make him complatible with the rest of their heroes or they can start making the rest of their heroes compatible with the current Batman.

[FaT_tONle]

I see what you mean, but I am not sure exactly how much of the BB series they will actually reference in JLA.

I still think they can have Talia in the JLA movie if a new Batman is in it. Little tie ins like that. As long as Armie freaking Hammer is playing Batman. Those are the kinds of vague tie ins I can accept... but we definitely shouldn't get a carbon copy of Bale's Batman if it is indeed another actor playing Batman. Anyway I guess we can talk about this in the other forums.

[Coleman Reese]

Peters will have as much involvement with the new film as he did with Returns (i.e. name-only Producer credit!)

Are you sure? Based on Kevin Smith encounter with Peters, he wanted a very dark Superman. Now that SR has failed to meet WB's expectations I can picture Peters telling the execs "See I told you so." I wonder if he'll leverage this to get more creative involvement in the new direction they are going with.

[Nixon]

And who decides how much the Characters will allow? Jon Peters? Great, anyone want to **** my mother while pouring sugar in my gas tank?

Well . . . I kind of see what you're getting at. I mean, playing devil's advocate for the moment, sure it's nice to look at that "that the characters will allow" as a solid caveat but WB has had some pretty whack ideas about what Superman would allow in the past. I mean, and again still with the horns and the pitchfork, they thought Jason White and no punching was a good idea at one point too.


Realistically, "that the characters will allow" means "as much as we think is necessary to make us another half a billion dollars."

[TheBatman1979]

I've heard WB people read these forums and I just want to take this post to lend my support to WB and Robinov for what they are doing with Superman. I think the dark direction is the absolute way to go. You guys over at WB had a scheme and tried to come up with plans where Superman would ride the coat tails of Donner's films. Look where that got you.

Go back to JJ Abrams script and pull out some elements to form a new origin story. People want jaded, dark characters. This is what captures their interest not perfect idealists that no one can relate to.

And definitely rework the suit by making the colors darker preferably with a subtle hue of the primary colors. In other words a suit that overall looks black or midnight blue with a hint of the primary colors barely coming through.

Go WB! Go Jeff Robinov! I'm with you guys 100%!

No, you want Dark Jaded characters, not everyone on this forum does, Especially with Superman.

[FilmNerdJamie]

Are you sure? Based on Kevin Smith encounter with Peters, he wanted a very dark Superman. Now that SR has failed to meet WB's expectations I can picture Peters telling the execs "See I told you so." I wonder if he'll leverage this to get more creative involvement in the new direction they are going with.

All Peters cares about is getting paid...which he will.

[Spider-Fan]

Raimi saying that is the exact same as Singer talking about the Returns sequel to Empire from awhile back.

Like I said, we haven't heard anything from the studio...

This at least says they have a 1st draft done. Sony probably won't say anything til they are closer to a shooting script.

[SuperDaniel]

This what i would do.

I say Luthor and Brainiac together in the first film.

Act 1:

- We open with Clark Kent around the world trying to do good. Especially in war of some kind created by new weapons fabricated by LexCorp. He ends the war but thinks he needs to do more to inspire people so it wouldn't happen again. He needs to be a symbol of hope.

-Returns to Smallville to make the identity of Superman and as he returns to his home city, he remembers his childhood and learnings.

Act 2:

-Lexcorp is known for distribuiting technollogy around the world and making Metropolis the most advanced city on the planet. Luthor controls peoples lives.

-Lois is a truth seeking reporter who tries to reveal the world the true maniac Luthor is. Superman appears and works with Lois to bring down Luthor.

-There is no Metropolis Clark Kent and that is the twist! He just Superman at this point.

-We learn that the technollogy from LexCorp was based in a AI, UFO, the fell in the artic. Luthor found a way to control it and make good use of it for profit.

Act 3:

-The AI known as Brainiac takes over LexCorp and world's defense system to destroy Earth to make New Krypton.

-Superman learns the origins of his home planet he was seeking in the beggining and must chose between being a Kryptonian or protector of Earth.

-He choses both as he learns about the story of his father Jor-el and his sacrifice to save his life and Krypton.

-Brainiac vs Superman showdown in Brainiac's fortress in the Artic . World battle. Imagine: Army vs advanced technollogy. Superman is hurt but is saved by Lois Lane.

-Luthor finds a way to save people from Brainiac even though it was Jimmy Olsen who created a virus of some kind. He is revered as the saviour of manking and plans to candidate for President.

-Superman thinks he failed to be a hero because Luthor won.

ANd finally

-Inspired by Lois, he decides to develop a new identity as a reporter to try to bring down Luthor, adding Truth to his moral compass. The beginning of Lois & Clark relationship and dispute!

-Superman gets called for help. Shirt rip!!!

The end!!

[Crook]

And who decides how much the Characters will allow? Jon Peters? Great, anyone want to **** my mother while pouring sugar in my gas tank?
We're getting a little bit ahead of ourselves here. There's no one even working on this project so it's all a bit too early to make such a call.

But I do hope Peters stays far away from this project in terms of creative input.

[Nixon]

Are you sure? Based on Kevin Smith encounter with Peters, he wanted a very dark Superman. Now that SR has failed to meet WB's expectations I can picture Peters telling the execs "See I told you so." I wonder if he'll leverage this to get more creative involvement in the new direction they are going with.

I don't know about Peters, but I can see WB taking this as an indicator that a more traditional Superman isn't necessarily a popular one and that they need to mess around with the mythos to get him there.

I'll be surprised if, at the very least, we don't get a total costume redesign.

[Coleman Reese]

No, you want Dark Jaded characters, not everyone on this forum does, Especially with Superman.

No. Myself and the general public want dark jaded characters. Let's face it the people on this forum while important are a drop in the box office bucket.

[Spider-Fan]

I still think they can have Talia in the JLA movie if a new Batman is in it. Little tie ins like that. As long as Armie freaking Hammer is playing Batman. Those are the kinds of vague tie ins I can accept... but we definitely shouldn't get a carbon copy of Bale's Batman if it is indeed another actor playing Batman. Anyway I guess we can talk about this in the other forums.

Agreed. I'd rather see someone do Batman their own way. Loose tie-ins are fine, but asking actors to be carbon copies is somewhat insulting to them.

I think they just simply want someone that will look and act like Bale's Batman. That's why the George Miller JLA movie was looking to be such a trainwreck. They wanted to have Batman in a movie but didn't want to step on the toes of the current Batman franchise, so they had to create some type of alternate universe in order not to confuse people but it still wouldn't have made a differnce. I mean it's only now safe to say that most people figured out that BB wasn't a prequel to Batman 89. What do you think would happen if they have two Batman at the same time?

They want to make sure the individual movies and the JLA movie won't contradict or confuse. So they could either totally screw with the Batman they have now, who happens to be kicking all sorts of profitable ass, in order to make him complatible with the rest of their heroes or they can start making the rest of their heroes compatible with the current Batman.

Like I said, loose tie-ins are fine. But, making the next Batman actor act like Bale I would feel is insulting.

[FilmNerdJamie]

This at least says they have a 1st draft done. Sony probably won't say anything til they are closer to a shooting script.

The Returns sequel had scripts written too...

[Coleman Reese]

I don't know about Peters, but I can see WB taking this as an indicator that a more traditional Superman isn't necessarily a popular one and that they need to mess around with the mythos to get him there.

I'll be surprised if, at the very least, we don't get a total costume redesign.

I agree 100%. They're going to tinker with the formula considerably.

[Nixon]

I'm still wondering what the exact situation with Singer was where they tried to make it work and it fell apart.

[Hole Shot]

Like I said, loose tie-ins are fine. But, making the next Batman actor act like Bale I would feel is insulting.

Well I'm not calling for an impersonator. I'm saying that he'll be played in the same style. How about I say a Bale-esque Batman rather than Bale's Batman?

[Ita-KalEl]

It seems that they want strongly this reboot. So I can imagine that if they want to make an announcement next month, they'll decide at least the director within the next weeks.

The last time that the WB wanted a Superman movie ready for a specific release date, was with Superman Lives...

[Spider-Fan]

The Returns sequel had scripts written too...

True, but SM3 made Sony a ton of money, so they won't have to search for a new Spider-Man formula like WB is doing with Supes. People in their disregard for SM3 forget it made a ton of money. I don't see Sony delaying the cash cow muc longer.

[Spider-Fan]

Well I'm not calling for an impersonator. I'm saying that he'll be played in the same style. How about I say a Bale-esque Batman rather than Bale's Batman?

I think you need to give the actor freedom to do his thing. You can write the character in a Bale-Batman way, but the actor should be given free reign to do his thing.

[FilmNerdJamie]

True, but SM3 made Sony a ton of money, so they won't have to search for a new Spider-Man formula like WB is doing with Supes. People in their disregard for SM3 forget it made a ton of money. I don't see Sony delaying the cash cow muc longer.

It's actually a worse scenerio because Spider-Man 3 made $900 million where Superman Returns made $400 million.

Not to mention, Vanderbilt's had since February to get than just one draft finished - especially considering he had a treatment/outline as far back as October '07.

[Eggyman]

I don't want Lois to be saving Superman - it should be the other way round.

"I don't need to see sweat patches under Superman's arms. I want to see him fly." - Frank Miller.

[Coleman Reese]

I'm still wondering what the exact situation with Singer was where they tried to make it work and it fell apart.

Personally I think Singer was informally blacklisted the minute SR failed to meet expectations. He spent a fortune on the film and cut out million dollar sequences. Plus all the development costs from Burton and Cage's play or pay deals added to the budget.

Normally, studios don't mind any of this so long as the film makes big money. But SR didn't and there's no doubt in my mind that this was the kiss of death for Singer. I think WB played nice with Singer after SR to prevent a massive fallout with the press and public. But the wheels were already turning to replace him within the executive offices at WB.

People are forgiving if they get the result they want. When the results aren't there people will fixate on all the blunders you made and crucify you.

[FaT_tONle]

True, but SM3 made Sony a ton of money, so they won't have to search for a new Spider-Man formula like WB is doing with Supes. People in their disregard for SM3 forget it made a ton of money. I don't see Sony delaying the cash cow muc longer.

Yeah that's the sad part about it. If Sony wants SM4 in 2011, it will happen in 2011 regardless of what people think of Marvel, meaning Superman has to get out of the summer. It's as simple as that.

[Spider-Fan]

It's actually a worse scenerio because Spider-Man 3 made $900 million where Superman Returns made $400 million.

Not to mention, Vanderbilt's had since February to get than just one draft finished - especially considering he had a treatment/outline as far back as October '07.

How's that a worse scenario? The profit margin shows more interest in Spider-Man than Superman, thus less work to get people interested.

Vanderbilt had a while to finish the script, but I am sure revisions won't take nearly as long. We also won't be updated on when revisions come in, so for all we know, they have a 2nd draft. We don't know. I just don't see Sony delaying SM4 past 2011. If SM3 didn't make 900 mil, I think they may have done that, but it made the money.

[Doc Samson]

This is one of the dumbest ideas I've heard, but sadly, I thought it would've happened long ago. I'm surprised they never had Superman floating around in all black leather tights yet.:whatever:

Some heroes lend themselves to dark stories, Superman, Spiderman & Captain America aren't those kind of characters. Maybe if they introduce someone other than Lex Luthor, that can challenge Superman without using kryptonite (again!!) then maybe it could work. Or maybe it won't, in this day and age, people like edgier heroes, but to try and turn Superman into that is a huge depature of character. I mean, what can you do to accomplish that? Have him kill somebody?

[FilmNerdJamie]

How's that a worse scenario? The profit margin shows more interest in Spider-Man than Superman, thus less work to get people interested.

The fact that they're dragging their feet with Spider-Man 4 after 3 made $900 million speaks for itself...

[Spider-Fan]

Yeah that's the sad part about it. If Sony wants SM4 in 2011, it will happen in 2011 regardless of what people think of Marvel, meaning Superman has to get out of the summer. It's as simple as that.

Excatly. They are not associated with Marvel Studios, so they can do what they want with SM4. Since SM is a franchise juggernaut, they have more freedom to push other movies around to meet their goals. This may even hurt Cap if Sony in fact schedules SM4 for opening weekend in May, since that is where Cap is right now. Cap may have to move to July, with Avengers being pushed out of 2011 entirely. But, Sony can do that.

[Armored Avenger]

Yeah that's the sad part about it. If Sony wants SM4 in 2011, it will happen in 2011 regardless of what people think of Marvel, meaning Superman has to get out of the summer. It's as simple as that.

But in the winter a Superman film will have to compete with The Hobbit.

[Nixon]

Personally I think Singer was informally blacklisted the minute SR failed to meet expectations. He spent a fortune on the film and cut out million dollar sequences. Plus all the development costs from Burton and Cage's play or pay deals added to the budget.

Normally, studios don't mind any of this so long as the film makes big money. But SR didn't and there's no doubt in my mind that this was the kiss of death for Singer. I think WB played nice with Singer after SR to prevent a massive fallout with the press and public. But the wheels were already turning to replace him within the executive offices at WB.

People are forgiving if they get the result they want. When the results aren't there people will fixate on all the blunders you made and crucify you.

Maybe, but they sure had a funny way of showing it when they signed him to that pay or play deal in October of 2006.

[SuperDaniel]

Nobody read my treatment? What do you guys think?
http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=15530715&postcount=1620

[FaT_tONle]

The fact that they're dragging their feet with Spider-Man 4 after 3 made $900 million speaks for itself...

They are dragging because they need a new director and cast to dissociate themselves from the critical failure of SM3. Had the movie been well received by the public they would have done everything to fast track the film with the same cast... but they realized that wasn't going to happen because everyone needed a break and they new the cast was in all likelyhood going to walk away when the time came.

[Spider-Fan]

The fact that they're dragging their feet with Spider-Man 4 after 3 made $900 million speaks for itself...

They had the cast tied up for 3 movies, and now they don't. That is the real dragging point. What I think Sony is doing is weighing bringing them back vs. recasting. Probably why they are silent. Their silence I don't think is cause they feel the need to delay the series to forget about SM3. It is cause they may need a new cast.

[Hole Shot]

I think you need to give the actor freedom to do his thing. You can write the character in a Bale-Batman way, but the actor should be given free reign to do his thing.

That's what I'm trying to say, just probably to the best job of putting into words.

[FaT_tONle]

But in the winter a Superman film will have to compete with The Hobbit.

SSHHHHHHHHHHHIIIIIIIIIIIIIITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT.... I forgot about this... New Line is part of WB now... have fun waiting for 2012 Supes fans... but naw... they can do Thanksgiving.

[Ita-KalEl]

Can we stop talking about Spiderman in this thread? :whatever:

[CaptainStacy]

This is one of the dumbest ideas I've heard, but sadly, I thought it would've happened long ago. I'm surprised they never had Superman floating around in all black leather tights yet.:whatever:

Some heroes lend themselves to dark stories, Superman, Spiderman & Captain America aren't those kind of characters. Maybe if they introduce someone other than Lex Luthor, that can challenge Superman without using kryptonite (again!!) then maybe it could work. Or maybe it won't, in this day and age, people like edgier heroes, but to try and turn Superman into that is a huge depature of character.

My sentiments exactly. :up:

[Spider-Fan]

But in the winter a Superman film will have to compete with The Hobbit.

I thought Hobbit was summer?

That's what I'm trying to say, just probably to the best job of putting into words.

We are in agreement then :up:

[Coleman Reese]

Maybe, but they sure had a funny way of showing it when they signed him to that pay or play deal in October of 2006.

They're hedging their bets and hoping the $10 million directoral fee (or whatever they paid Singer) is offset by the next Superman movie without Singer performing well with the hope of it doing Dark Knight levels.

Its similar to ousted CEOs getting multi-million dollar severance packages.

[Spider-Fan]

Can we stop talking about Spiderman in this thread? :whatever:

I agree with you. I was asked about it, though.

[FilmNerdJamie]

Big studios like Sony can easily resolve any issues with Raimi and the cast...

[GreenKToo]

Don't forget this little tidbit Showtime posted. 2010 is possible.

7. Ideally, the studio would like to have one or two comidbook films from DC in 2010, so if the script comes together we MIGHT see it in 2010.

[Spider-Fan]

2010 would be better for everyone...though we would get into the same problem with GL/Flash in that case (depending on who's isn't out by then).

[FaT_tONle]

Big studios like Sony can easily resolve any issues with Raimi and the cast...

Well WB didn't resolve it with Burton, Keaton and Co... albeit BR didn't light up the Box Office. Regardless, WB felt they needed a new direction... no reason to think Sony wouldn't feel the same way if they want continued LONG TERM success. No one is forcing them not to renew those contracts. So you aren't providing valid reasons why they'd delay the film.

[8Diagrams(WU)]

I think that is a serious number of movies to be throwing around. I doubt its possible.

The revamp of the entire DC catalogue was bound to happen sooner or later. WB does not want to be the loser in the "movie wars"

[Ita-KalEl]

2010 would be better for everyone...though we would get into the same problem with GL/Flash in that case (depending on who's isn't out by then).

IMO they should have in mind the writers and the director to plan a 2010-2011 release date.
Nevertheless there is still the possibility that Mark Millar can really give WB what they want: a perfect script+good director.

[Nixon]

They're hedging their bets and hoping the $10 million directoral fee (or whatever they paid Singer) is offset by the next Superman movie without Singer performing well with the hope of it doing Dark Knight levels.

Its similar to ousted CEOs getting multi-million dollar severance packages.

If he's blacklisted, even informally, then how are they hedging their bets by signing him up again?

I could see if they were uncertain about him, they might want something to keep him around incase, but if he's blacklisted, even informally, then they, by the definition of blacklist, should've just wanted him gone.

[Spider-Fan]

IMO they should have in mind the writers and the director to plan a 2010-2011 release date.
Nevertheless there is still the possibility that Mark Millar can really give WB what they want: a perfect script+good director.

Going with one of the proposals they got is their best option for 2010. At least then, they would get a 1st draft quicker and a director in mind.

[Superark]

I hae a gut feeling it will be a long time before this Superman movie makes it on-screen. I just keep thinking of all the problems that went into making Superman come to life before. I definitely don't see it coming out by 2010

[Hole Shot]

Nevertheless there is still the possibility that Mark Millar can really give WB what they want: a perfect script+good director.

:pal:

[FaT_tONle]

Don't forget this little tidbit Showtime posted. 2010 is possible.

7. Ideally, the studio would like to have one or two comidbook films from DC in 2010, so if the script comes together we MIGHT see it in 2010.

I don't see what the problem is with a Holiday 2011 release. That is enough time for a reboot (longer than the Hulk/TIH gap). Plus Marvel doesn't like putting big films in the Holiday. Supes would be on an island by himself possibly for weeks at the Box Office. There won't be major superhero competition. That to me is the key.

[Octoberist]

I really think that the other properties like Green Lantern should be a prioty for WB for a 2010 release, not Superman. Superman can wait.

[Hole Shot]

I hae a gut feeling it will be a long time before this Superman movie makes it on-screen. I just keep thinking of all the problems that went into making Superman come to life before. I definitely don't see it coming out by 2010

The development hell the character went through happened mostly during a time when getting comic book characters to the big screen weren't that much of a priority. I think the process this time around will happen much faster because now it's really important to the studio to make this character work.

[Angamb]

Bad news in my opinion.

I was expecting a sequel to Superman Returns, with Singer, Routh and all the same team.

Bad decision, in my opinion.

I'm starting to hate the reboots, and more in such a short period of time.

Bad news..... :(

[Ita-KalEl]

I hae a gut feeling it will be a long time before this Superman movie makes it on-screen. I just keep thinking of all the problems that went into making Superman come to life before. I definitely don't see it coming out by 2010

It's the WB. There's always the risk of development hell. But reading the article it seems that this time they know what they want: 4 movies in the next 3 years.
This is the new deal of the DC/WB.

[FilmNerdJamie]

Millar won't be anywhere near this. That story about "Well, they loved my pitch. But I'm a Marvel guy and, that darn contract got in the way" from last year?

100% Grade-A Pure B.S.

The studio hated his ideas.

[Angamb]

Bad news in my opinion.

I was expecting a sequel to Superman Returns, with Singer, Routh and all the same team.

Bad decision, in my opinion.

I'm starting to hate the reboots, and more in such a short period of time.

Bad news..... :(

[Angamb]

Bad news in my opinion.

I was expecting a sequel to Superman Returns, with Singer, Routh and all the same team.

Bad decision, in my opinion.

I'm starting to hate the reboots, and more in such a short period of time.

Bad news..... :(

[Ita-KalEl]

I hae a gut feeling it will be a long time before this Superman movie makes it on-screen. I just keep thinking of all the problems that went into making Superman come to life before. I definitely don't see it coming out by 2010

It's the WB. There's always the risk of development hell. But reading the article it seems that this time they know what they want: 4 movies in the next 3 years.
This is the new deal of the DC/WB.

[FilmNerdJamie]

Edit.

[Coleman Reese]

If he's blacklisted, even informally, then how are they hedging their bets by signing him up again?

I could see if they were uncertain about him, they might want something to keep him around incase, but if he's blacklisted, even informally, then they, by the definition of blacklist, should've just wanted him gone.

First, when I say blacklisted I mean with regards to this project. Tim Burton was informally blacklisted from Batman 3 after Batman Returns came out but went on to do more projects with WB.

Second, I don't know how familiar you are with a corporate setting but the cutthroat nature of business is hidden behind a facade of cooperation and team work. Since we are talking about the entertainment industry, a major motion picture studio, and a known director they aren't just going to come out and dump him since it would result in negative publicity and backlash. They will pay his fee, cooperate for some time, and claim they had "creative differences" which "forced the parties to go separate ways." There's a distinct unspoken language in the corporate world.

The only solid thing you can count on is results. Whether you're a CEO of a lumber company or a director in charge of a multi-million dollar studio picture, if you do not meet expectations you are gone. Its pretty black and white.

[FaT_tONle]

Bad news in my opinion.

I was expecting a sequel to Superman Returns, with Singer, Routh and all the same team.

Bad decision, in my opinion.

I'm starting to hate the reboots, and more in such a short period of time.

Bad news..... :(

I am beginning to think X-Men is on the verge of getting rebooted as well... :wow:

[GreenKToo]

Can't wait to see who is directing.

[Hole Shot]

well, we know Angamb's opinion about reboots now.

[Superark]

The development hell the character went through happened mostly during a time when getting comic book characters to the big screen weren't that much of a priority. I think the process this time around will happen much faster because now it's really important to the studio to make this character work.


I think you're right about comic book characters not always being a huge priority as they are today. But Superman has always been important to the studio.

I agreed with what someone else said earlier. I think they should focus on their other properties first. Now that I know we're getting a reboot, I think they should wait a few years. It really hasnt been that long between the two movies. I can wait for a Superman movie, especially if the reboot turns out to be good.

[Ita-KalEl]

I don't know if someone cares about it but these are the word of Archangel (Steve from SaveSuperman):

"Singer has the option to stay on as a producer. If Singer has a story they like for a reboot, he'll be able to add writer to that. Either way, we spoke to numerous people today and the film will sport an entirely new cast."

Even if I don't like this guy, I have to admit that this story seems coherent with Supermanhomepage's scopp about Singer having meeting with the writers.

[GreenKToo]

well, we know Angamb's opinion about reboots now.
yup.
yup.
yup.:word:

[Showtime]

Can't wait to see who is directing.

Well previously they brought in or talked to people like Gore Verbinski, Snynder, L.L., The Whakowskis, Bay...

[Zorex]

That sounds... completely plausible, IMO. Singer staying on/receiving credit in some capacity, and the film sporting an entirely new cast.

[Coleman Reese]

Well previously they brought in or talked to people like Gore Verbinski, Snynder, L.L., The Whakowskis, Bay...

Bay? Yikes.

[Superark]

I am beginning to think X-Men is on the verge of getting rebooted as well... :wow:


I think they'll stick with seperate character films instead like they are doing with Wolverine and potentially Magneto

[darthlaney]

THE DARK SUPERMAN

Was the Donnerverse that unsaveable - what tipped it over the edge - an introduction of super villians was possible. All I can think of is THE KID.

I'm a bit worried where this takes us now - I don't trust WB to do this right at all.

[Nixon]

First, when I say blacklisted I mean with regards to this project. Tim Burton was informally blacklisted from Batman 3 after Batman Returns came out but went on to do more projects with WB.

Second, I don't know how familiar you are with a corporate setting but the cutthroat nature of business is hidden behind a facade of cooperation and team work. Since we are talking about the entertainment industry, a major motion picture studio, and a known director they aren't just going to come out and dump him since it would result in negative publicity and backlash. They will pay his fee, cooperate for some time, and claim they had "creative differences" which "forced the parties to go separate ways." There's a distinct unspoken language in the corporate world.

The only solid thing you can count on is results. Whether you're a CEO of a lumber company or a director in charge of a multi-million dollar studio picture, if you do not meet expectations you are gone. Its pretty black and white.

Yeah, I think you're using 'black listed' wrong but I see what you mean. My point though is that a facade of co-operation and teamwork is a different thing then a 10 million (or whatever) dollar pay or play contract.

[Spade]

The Whakowskis

If only this was their legal last time.

[GreenKToo]

Well previously they brought in or talked to people like Gore Verbinski, Snynder, L.L., The Whakowskis, Bay...
I'd like any of them except the whakowskis.

[Superark]

Well previously they brought in or talked to people like Gore Verbinski, Snynder, L.L., The Whakowskis, Bay...


No to all of those!

[Showtime]

If only this was their legal last time.

Legal last time?

[Coleman Reese]

Yeah, I think you're using 'black listed' wrong but I see what you mean. My point though is that a facade of co-operation and teamwork is a different thing then a 10 million (or whatever) dollar pay or play contract.

Blacklisted may have been a bad word choice but you see what I'm getting at.

The whole Singer getting credit as producer is very likely and means nothing. When they bumped Burton off from Batman he got an exec producer credit on Batman Forever but did nothing from a creative standpoint. It looks like WB is going the same route with Singer as they did with Burton. Let's hope they don't engage in a Shulmaker type formulation for Superman.

[Tarnish]

Thoughts:
1) 'Dark' doesn't fit Superman very well.
2) Please, don't let "Lois is a pet" Millar near this.
3) I think they should focus on some of the other properties more and wait if need be for the next superman movie.

[FaT_tONle]

That sounds... completely plausible, IMO. Singer staying on/receiving credit in some capacity, and the film sporting an entirely new cast.

Sarcasstic? Because I think WB would rather just buy him out if they haven't already done so. Why would Singer want a part of this? I know you are going to play the Burton card but how much of a factor was Burton in the Schumacher films really? Can anyone inform me?

[Showtime]

Blacklisted may have been a bad word choice but you see what I'm getting at.

The whole Singer getting credit as producer is very likely and means nothing. When they bumped Burton off from Batman he got an exec producer credit on Batman Forever but did nothing from a creative standpoint. It looks like WB is going the same route with Singer as they did with Burton. Let's hope they don't engage in a Shulmaker type formulation for Superman.

I talked about WB trying to find a way around Singer's contract by offering him a producer and writer credit months and months ago. I think he will get a producer credit no matter what, unless he outright refuses it.

[GreenKToo]

Sounds like Singer and W.B. have been butting heads for months. Battle of wills. Looks like W.B. may have won.

[Coleman Reese]

Sarcasstic? Because I think WB would rather just buy him out if they haven't already done so. Why would Singer want a part of this? I know you are going to play the Burton card but how much of a factor was Burton in the Schumacher films really? Can anyone inform me?

An executive producer credit can be used as an empty designation for someone not involved with he project at all. It has to do with contracts and legal issues. Its a way to give credit to someone and pay their fee thereby fulfilling the terms of the contract (so it minimizes the chance of a lawsuit) without including them in the creative process of development of the project.

Sometimes this stuff is negotiated with the first project. For instance, when Glen Larson develops a project he contracts that he receive an executive producer credit on all derivations of the project. Like the new Knight Rider tv movie and series gave him an executive producer credit when it was widely known that he had no input on the project at all especially since he's trying to make his own feature film for knight rider.

[Ita-KalEl]

LOL I have more quotes from Steve/Archangel (I can't believe I'm posting that):



"I've been grilling my friends in low places and here's what I know.....

The "dark" comment is not so much of the characters themselves, but of the universe they will be portrayed in. All the solo characters will be in the same time line and continuity as Batman so they can combine the characters in a similar way as Marvel is doing. Gotham has always been a much darker and more criminal city than any other. The solo films not only need to have a tone that separates themselves from each other, but also connects them without having to think to hard about it. Batman, being their most successful comic franchise, will serve as the launching point that JLA was meant to be.

From what I was told today, the aim is to get Batman 3 and the new Superman film out during the same summer with Batman releasing first and Superman two months later. Most likely in 2011, but 2010 if they can manage to pull it off. I've also been told that they appear to have narrowed down the writers for the Superman reboot in just the past few days which is sad for us, while great news at the same time if Mark Millar is on that short list. George Miller, now that JLA has officially been bumped to follow Marvel's lead, may be given Wonder Woman where he can groom his darling Megan Gale, but it's far from locked up. Look for Snyder to come in and do a solo film as well. We already know he passed on Superman, but Green Lantern has become a possible option. Peter Jackson, though he is co-writing The Hobbit, had his schedule suddenly free up and is rumored to have been called for a film as well. And yes, James Cameron's name is still floating around as well.

I hope the full announcement with their schedule is released soon so we know exactly what is still rumor and what is cold hard fact. At the very least, we know Routh, Bosworth, and company are gone. Thank God for small favors!

- Steve"


***

"I've been told Routh is gone, but Singer has the option to be a producer. As stated in a recent article, "...if he gets in the way, he's gone."

- Steve"

---

WOW a lot of things in common with Showtime's story.

[Hole Shot]

When they bumped Burton off from Batman he got an exec producer credit on Batman Forever but did nothing from a creative standpoint.

Check the credits again, Burton is credited as an actual producer, not exec or associate or anything like.

[Nixon]

Sounds like Singer and W.B. have been butting heads for months. Battle of wills. Looks like W.B. may have won.


Was that ever in doubt? Ultimately it's their sandbox.

I'm just wondering what the final straw was?

[Coleman Reese]

Check the credits again, Burton is credited as an actual producer, not exec or associate or anything like.

Terms are interchangeable. Bottom line is that he had no creative involvement with the third Batman film. This is even confirmed by Burton himself on the special features and commentary for Batman Returns.

[Nixon]

Blacklisted may have been a bad word choice but you see what I'm getting at.

The whole Singer getting credit as producer is very likely and means nothing. When they bumped Burton off from Batman he got an exec producer credit on Batman Forever but did nothing from a creative standpoint. It looks like WB is going the same route with Singer as they did with Burton. Let's hope they don't engage in a Shulmaker type formulation for Superman.

Yeah, it was the black listed that was throwing me off because I can see why, even if they don't want him on Superman, they might want to keep somebody like Bryan Singer around.

As for a Schumacher Superman, you don't want a two hour toy commercial?

[Coleman Reese]

LOL I have more quotes from Steve/Archangel (I can't believe I'm posting that):



"I've been grilling my friends in low places and here's what I know.....

The "dark" comment is not so much of the characters themselves, but of the universe they will be portrayed in. All the solo characters will be in the same time line and continuity as Batman so they can combine the characters in a similar way as Marvel is doing. Gotham has always been a much darker and more criminal city than any other. The solo films not only need to have a tone that separates themselves from each other, but also connects them without having to think to hard about it. Batman, being their most successful comic franchise, will serve as the launching point that JLA was meant to be.

From what I was told today, the aim is to get Batman 3 and the new Superman film out during the same summer with Batman releasing first and Superman two months later. Most likely in 2011, but 2010 if they can manage to pull it off. I've also been told that they appear to have narrowed down the writers for the Superman reboot in just the past few days which is sad for us, while great news at the same time if Mark Millar is on that short list. George Miller, now that JLA has officially been bumped to follow Marvel's lead, may be given Wonder Woman where he can groom his darling Megan Gale, but it's far from locked up. Look for Snyder to come in and do a solo film as well. We already know he passed on Superman, but Green Lantern has become a possible option. Peter Jackson, though he is co-writing The Hobbit, had his schedule suddenly free up and is rumored to have been called for a film as well. And yes, James Cameron's name is still floating around as well.

I hope the full announcement with their schedule is released soon so we know exactly what is still rumor and what is cold hard fact. At the very least, we know Routh, Bosworth, and company are gone. Thank God for small favors!

- Steve"


***

"I've been told Routh is gone, but Singer has the option to be a producer. As stated in a recent article, "...if he gets in the way, he's gone."

- Steve"

---

WOW a lot of things in common with Showtime's story.

Wiping the slate clean. All that sounds about what I'd expect.

[GreenKToo]

Was that ever in doubt? Ultimately it's their sandbox.

I'm just wondering what the final straw was?
IM (little) HO, creative control.

[Hole Shot]

Terms are interchangeable. Bottom line is that he had no creative involvement with the third Batman film. This is even confirmed by Burton himself on the special features and commentary for Batman Returns.

With a producer title he could have though but he chose not to be active in the film's production. There's is an astronomical difference between a producer and an executive producer. One is the most powerful position on the set the other is just an opportunity to put someone's name on something.


By the way, you're signature. You do know that 99% of the time BubbaGump says things just go against the status quo and get a rise of people?

[Coleman Reese]

Yeah, it was the black listed that was throwing me off because I can see why, even if they don't want him on Superman, they might want to keep somebody like Bryan Singer around.

As for a Schumacher Superman, you don't want a two hour toy commercial?

On a fundamental level you're seeing the Superman franchise going through what Batman went through in the 90s. Except where they went campy and silly with Batman they are going dark and serious with Superman.

I think this is the right way to go and I'm confident that this new direction will perform well at the BO. My only concern is that they need to:

1) Get a creative team that rivals Chris Nolan's.

2) Avoid going after well known "difficult" actors like Norton (who wanted writing input and a say in the final cut) and Spacey (who wanted Bosworth cast as Lois). Hiring good actors that just act with no other demands is a priority.

3) Market the film properly.

I have the utmost confidence in WB though and the decision to nix Singer and break way from the Donner mold is definitely the right one IMO.

[Dark Knight]

Can't wait to see who is directing.


Have fun waiting GreenK....it's going to be a while of dealing with more BS and spin.

[Coleman Reese]

With a producer title he could have though but he chose not to be active in the film's production. There's is an astronomical difference between a producer and an executive producer. One is the most powerful position on the set the other is just an opportunity to put someone's name on something.


By the way, you're signature. You do know that 99% of the time BubbaGump says things just go against the status quo and get a rise of people?

Depends on how the contract defines the terms. There's a section in legal contracts called "recitals" which defines all the terms contained within the contract. Sometimes terms like producer, executive producer, associate producer can overlap to mean the same thing.

So while the terms mean something specific in a production sense, they can have very similar meanings in a legal sense. Plus you have to take into account the rules and regulations of the film guilds and how all that plays into credit designations.

The bottom line is WB seems to be doing to Singer what they did to Burton and if so would mean he's gonna get a credit but have no creative input with the film as is what happened with Burton.

[hatebox]

SR was a disappointment/failure - there's no getting away from that fact and as such they have to do something new. But I still think a re-boot is too soon. WB are clearly high on TDK and perhaps jumping the gun with this.

[GreenKToo]

We need a top notch director who has handled (a) large film(s) like this before.

A first rate cast. I'm talking TDK kinda cast. The kind of cast that makes the public take notice.

Bring in John williams to compose a new score. Yes, I did say new. Might as well go all the way if your gonna reboot, and that means the theme too :(

[Dark Knight]

Wiping the slate clean. All that sounds about what I'd expect.



Snyder would be a great choice for GL!

Here is hoping they can get Cameron for Superman....I doubt it will happen though and I would like for WB to prove me wrong on that. Jackson would be a good choice for a JL film.

[SuperDaniel]

Peter Jackson would be awesome!!!

[GreenKToo]

Have fun waiting GreenK....it's going to be a while of dealing with more BS and spin.
That's very possible. Thats why my excitement level is tempered.

[Hole Shot]

We need a top notch director who has handled (a) large film(s) like this before.

A first rate cast. I'm talking TDK kinda cast. The kind of cast that makes the public take notice.

Bring in John williams to compose a new score. Yes, I did say new. Might as well go all the way if your gonna reboot, and that means the theme too :(

I was actually just thinking that this news also means the theme is now retired too.

[Katsuro]

We need a top notch director who has handled (a) large film(s) like this before.

A first rate cast. I'm talking TDK kinda cast. The kind of cast that makes the public take notice.

Bring in John williams to compose a new score. Yes, I did say new. Might as well go all the way if your gonna reboot, and that means the theme too :(

Unfortunatley, you're right. This whole reboot idea is such an unusual concept, most people dont even seem to really get it. I know people who didn't see Incredible Hulk because they thought it was a sequel to that other hunk of crap Hulk movie. If they're gonna reboot, which they shouldn't, they might as well go all the way. Do whatever it takes to get it into people's head this is a different series. Music is a big part of that.

[Crook]

Here is hoping they can get Cameron for Superman....I doubt it will happen though and I would like for WB to prove me wrong on that. Jackson would be a good choice for a JL film.

Peter Jackson would be awesome!!!
If Cameron or Jackson were to helm Superman, the fanboy universe would implode. :wow:

[Anita18]

Bring in John williams to compose a new score. Yes, I did say new. Might as well go all the way if your gonna reboot, and that means the theme too :(
Might as well go all the way. :yay:

Even though I do like John Williams. But if it's gonna be different, make it different!

[bgshw44]

i would love to see either Bay or Paul Greengrass direct

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Part 1:

1) Bryan Singer will not be directing this reintroduction of Superman.

2) Brandon Routh will not be playing Superman in this reintroduction.

3) Logically, the rest of the cast and themes are also out.

4) "Reintroduction" equates to "Reboot" -- Presently, this means an approach
akin to The Incredible Hulk.

5) 2011 target date.

Part 2:

6. "Reintroduction" is Robinov being diplomatic...this is in order not to upset all parties. This includes fans of Superman Returns.

7. Ideally, the studio would like to have one or two comidbook films from DC in 2010, so if the script comes together we MIGHT see it in 2010.

Part 3:

Straight from the horse's mouth:

8. "I think to the smarties out there, though, this should all be pretty obvious at this point... and I should add that bolded points 4 and 5 are, of course, subject to modified (i.e. in approach and release date)..."

9."Be assured of this: though you can't always please everyone, the studio honestly wants to make red & blue work for both the general audience and the fans; and they hope they can find the right approach to do it." Thanks Show. It's going to be interesting to see who the cast and crew are going to be for the new Superman movie.

I feel sorry for Routh. Unless he plays in some huge movie, he's going to be known as that guy who played Superman in that failed movie.

i would love to see either Bay or Paul Greengrass directGreengrass would be interesting.

[GreenKToo]

I was actually just thinking that this news also means the theme is now retired too.

Unfortunatley, you're right. This whole reboot idea is such an unusual concept, most people dont even seem to really get it. I know people who didn't see Incredible Hulk because they thought it was a sequel to that other hunk of crap Hulk movie. If they're gonna reboot, which they shouldn't, they might as well go all the way. Do whatever it takes to get it into people's head this is a different series. Music is a big part of that.
I will sorely miss that if it's gone. Hopefully they'll come up with something JUST as good. Doubt it could be topped though.

[Paradoxium]

Might as well go all the way. :yay:

Even though I do like John Williams. But if it's gonna be different, make it different!

They should use blood metal with loud blood curdling screams!

Just Imagine!

http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/5035/supermanrebornvn4.jpg

[Coleman Reese]

Thanks Show. It's going to be interesting to see who the cast and crew are going to be for the new Superman movie.

I feel sorry for Routh. Unless he plays in some huge movie, he's going to be known as that guy who played Superman in that failed movie.

Greengrass would be interesting.

The only thing worse than being type cast is being type cast for a role in a failed film. Reeve could never quite break away from Superman in his acting career and the first 2 films were successful. That doesn't bode well for Routh.

[hatebox]

Routh is unlucky. He was the only good thing about SR, and took all the collateral damage.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

The only thing worse than being type cast is being type cast for a role in a failed film. Reeve could never quite break away from Superman in his acting career and the first 2 films were successful. That doesn't bode well for Routh.Yep. I really do wish him luck.

[hatebox]

Maybe, just maybe, Superman is out of date with today's world. I'm just stating the obvious.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

^Or maybe Superman Returns just sucked?

[Jochimus]

They should use blood metal with loud blood curdling screams!

Just Imagine!

http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/5035/supermanrebornvn4.jpg

Looks more like STEEL 2.

[hippie_hunter]

LOL I have more quotes from Steve/Archangel (I can't believe I'm posting that):



"I've been grilling my friends in low places and here's what I know.....

The "dark" comment is not so much of the characters themselves, but of the universe they will be portrayed in. All the solo characters will be in the same time line and continuity as Batman so they can combine the characters in a similar way as Marvel is doing. Gotham has always been a much darker and more criminal city than any other. The solo films not only need to have a tone that separates themselves from each other, but also connects them without having to think to hard about it. Batman, being their most successful comic franchise, will serve as the launching point that JLA was meant to be.

From what I was told today, the aim is to get Batman 3 and the new Superman film out during the same summer with Batman releasing first and Superman two months later. Most likely in 2011, but 2010 if they can manage to pull it off. I've also been told that they appear to have narrowed down the writers for the Superman reboot in just the past few days which is sad for us, while great news at the same time if Mark Millar is on that short list. George Miller, now that JLA has officially been bumped to follow Marvel's lead, may be given Wonder Woman where he can groom his darling Megan Gale, but it's far from locked up. Look for Snyder to come in and do a solo film as well. We already know he passed on Superman, but Green Lantern has become a possible option. Peter Jackson, though he is co-writing The Hobbit, had his schedule suddenly free up and is rumored to have been called for a film as well. And yes, James Cameron's name is still floating around as well.

I hope the full announcement with their schedule is released soon so we know exactly what is still rumor and what is cold hard fact. At the very least, we know Routh, Bosworth, and company are gone. Thank God for small favors!

- Steve"


***

"I've been told Routh is gone, but Singer has the option to be a producer. As stated in a recent article, "...if he gets in the way, he's gone."

- Steve"

---

WOW a lot of things in common with Showtime's story.

I never thought that I'd actually want what Steve is saying :csad:

[GreenKToo]

I don't think he's out of date at all. Just like with all films, if it has a great cast, good story, and awesome action, the public will turn out to see it. It's just finding that right blend that is the problem, not Superman IMO.

[The Overlord]

No, we really got more of a take over the world scheme.


Did he try to destroy a large part of the world while conquering Gaul?

Because creating NK would have crashed the world's economy and so who would have bought that land?



In his own way, yeah. He was there, conquering new territory to make more money.

That doesn't work, caesar didn't put himself in a position that would allowed to kill him in short order.



How is a warship going to let him do anything other than hold the world for ransom?

He could ransomed the world, isn't that enough?


And that ugly bit of rock was only the first stage of what would be recreation of Krypton, complete with it's advanced crystal technology that could grow near anything, even a ship capable of interstellar travel, that you desired.



Good thing he wasn't just making a "giant rock."

We never saw of that stuff, in the movie, a movie needs show these things, not just mention them.




Such as? Now, I'm not calling that version of Lex played out, but a lot of corporate Lex's schemes tend involve him creating some new henchmen - a battlesuit, a Bizarro, a Metallo, - to punch it out with Superman and then getting away at the end when Superman can't come up with evidence to link him to anything.

And repeat.

Considering we would have seen a super villain fight, yes it does work better for a movie.


Corporate Lex is wrought with the same dangers, and the same dangers of repetition, as every other version of Lex is.


Why was lex the only villain in sR in the first place?



Are you on drugs?

How do you go from fandom being fickle, something you yourself admitted to, to this?

Because its a BS argument, Ebert liked the Donner films but hated SR, its because he is fickle or because SR sucks? Maybe fans hate SR because it sucked?





Otis aside, Lex's minions were incompetent because? They managed to pull off nearly everything Lex needed them to.

Kitty was she a good minion or the guy guarding Jason who was playing the piano and let Lois send a fax to Clark, are any of them as good as Mercy?




There a more than a few villains out there that aren't "stupid" that revel in their evil. More to the point, Lex - movie Lex and corporate Lex too - don't care if they're hated, so long as they're feared and respected.

No one in real life reveals in evil or thinks they are evil. That whole plot was out of a sat morning cartoon.


Also, Lex isn't Machiavellian, he's evil. When you're done reading Machiavelli (and when you are I suggest you find a thesaurus so you can expand your vocabulary beyond the word "stupid") you see that what he's advocating is more of a pragmatism and a pragmatism that's geared towards a purpose beyond the mere selfish pursuit of power. He recognizes the need for severe actions sure, but not for genuine evil..

Lex should be a pragmatist, he should evil, but he isn't the Joker, he should n'tkill millions of people just to kill Superman, he should devise a way to Superman and look like hero in the process.



No I meant plot convenience. If I'd meant plot hole that's what I'd have said.

What is Lex's powerbase going to do against a Metallo? A Bizarro?

The fact is Lex creating metallo and metallo turning against Lex and Superman defeating metallo would have been better movie then SR.




Because they chose not to go that way.


And now singer is out and they are rebooting the franchise, so exactly why was that a good idea?


And that's about only real reason to choose corporate Lex over any other version for a movie.



So now we're worried about the general public and their Corporate Lex deficiencies?

So rehashing the Lex from Superman I was better, instead of coming up with something now, we get something recycled from 78?




I'm also comparing it to Smallville's exposure too. Does nobody but kids and fanboys watch Smallville?


that suck sucks and its mainly watched by bored teens and almost no one at this point, when we seen post crisis Lex in medium that is as popular as a Hollywood film?





Why would they arrest him? He was buying the land up fair and square through Lex Luthor Inc. afterall. How would they connect the dots? What evidence, aside from his admission to Superman was there to connect him to the missles?


You don't think the cops would notice a known criminal is profiting on the destruction of Cal and bring him for questioning, lex was already wanted by the police they wouldn't need to prove anything!


Essentially Donner Lex would be in the same place that corporate Lex is so often: Superman knows he's guilt, the public at worst suspects he's guilty of something, but there's no real evidence to do anything about it.
Expect there was a warrant for Donner Lex's arrest.


You're entirely too focused on this real estate scheme thing. Lex was going to callously trash half the planet and kill billions of people simple to get a little more for himself. If it was too subtle for you Singer made sure to go the extra mile with the "Bring it on!" Bushism.

Well then ebert missed it as well, because he thought the plan was stupid.


Ah and he would have crashed the world's economy in the process so who would have bought that land?
Bring it on ? Since we never saw the tech in action how am I supposed to judge its effectiveness in preventing people from killing you in your sleep?


Now, the main criticism of corporate America run amok is that it's going to trash the planet and ruin the lives of millions of people simply to make a little bit more money.

Like I said before, it's sledgehammer subtle as is. All corporate Lex does is make that commentary obvious.



that's something a captain Planet villain would do, not any sort of real business man.



Funny that you bring up Morrison as he's certainly not using corporate Lex in All-Star Superman. But I digress. . .

Where have I said anything like this? Where have I brought up Waid, Morrison or Ebert in my talk about corporate Luthor vs Donner Lex?

Though I would point out that Ebert didn't have any problems with Donner Lex in 1978. But I digress again. . .

Would it help if I apologized for making you feel inferior?

How about quit acting like an arrogant person for a sec, huh.

I guess Ebert is fickle as well, because he like the donner films but said Spacey Lex sucked, is maybe Ebert doesn't like singer Lex. I guess you know more then he does.

Also Morrison thought that movie sucked too, Morrison could have made pre crisis Lex work, but Singer didn't. Is Morrison an idiot for not liking Singer lex now?

Face it, the studio thinks SR sucked that's why we are getting a reboot. If singer lex was so prefect then why is the franchise being rebooted?

I don't want to continue this long conversation, so let get right to it, what could have done with this Lex in a sequel and you are saying none of the criticisms leveled against him were valid?

[FCEEVIPER]

"The Plan Is Just To Reintroduce Superman..."
I hope the WB reintroduses Superman WITH Routh and Singer. :super:

[I SEE SPIDEY]

^Those guys are toast.

[Crook]

I hope the WB reintroduses Superman WITH Routh and Singer. :super:
They're out.

[Coleman Reese]

I don't think he's out of date at all. Just like with all films, if it has a great cast, good story, and awesome action, the public will turn out to see it. It's just finding that right blend that is the problem, not Superman IMO.

I agree.

[jrd550]

crap.

personally I want Singer to continue what he started.

secondly Routh was great.

thirdly, I wish a Superman film would not be brooding, but inspirational.

now I can't help but wish that Singer had finished the x-men franchise and whatever had happened to Supes had happened with McG, etc.

Showtime, how do you feel?

[hippie_hunter]

I wanted a Singer directed sequel as well, but hey, if this reboot is a good Superman film, then I'll support it 100% of the way. What matters the most IMO is that a good Superman film is made first and foremost.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I hate the dark and brooding comment but I'd be a fool not to give a new Singerless Superman movie a try. Thats what I was asking for and thats what I'm getting. Here's hoping it rocks as much as TDK.

[NavSealShark]

I just read this at the movie site and I am just blown away. Either this guy or the rights to this guy is in a tug of war between DC and Marvel.
I'm torn because I like Superman and Captain America. But I could see him as Superman.




http://pichostonline.com/u/080823/3a871840c0.jpg (http://pichostonline.com/)




People are pointing at his hair as the only thing needed to be changed for Superman since he's blond but he naturally has the Reeves superman bangs.
I'm completely torn here.

Here's videos of him I found thanks to the member cerealkiller here:

Fan Tribute to him:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skEOpgmoUN0

Funny Video of Him featuring him as Captain America:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrqCYZO3Zyo

I found this blog about him too:

http://brendabloggerbabe.blogspot.com/

The guy looks superhero through and through and my question is has this ever happened before? One man torn between two heros and two rival companies?
I'm just torn. I'm really torn.

Is he the next Superman? Or Captain America?

[Nirvana]

I wanted a Singer directed sequel as well, but hey, if this reboot is a good Superman film, then I'll support it 100% of the way. What matters the most IMO is that a good Superman film is made first and foremost.

:up:

[66 Face]

To be honest, I really didn't hate SR. It was good IMO but its the same old thing thats always done. It was just an update of the Donner movies when Superman deserved so much more.

I'm really hoping that the Animated series is something that is looked at for the reboot. It took the Superman that we all know and love and made the things around him darker and more gritty. Not Superman himself.

Actually Action Comics #775 is what I really want to see!!! Or something like it.

[66 Face]

Argg double post!!!!

[Anita18]

The guy looks superhero through and through and my question is has this ever happened before? One man torn between two heros and two rival companies?
I'm just torn. I'm really torn.

Is he the next Superman? Or Captain America?
...what..? :huh:

I highly doubt he's in the running to play anything, if we don't even know his name or what kind of acting he's done.

I'd certainly hope they get an actor, first and foremost. You can build up muscle out of most guys (or heck, there's movie magic!), but you can't get acting ability out of someone who just can't act.

Robert Downey Jr and Christian Bale were perfect for their parts, because they were good, respected actors who were well-known, but not well-known for doing mainstream blockbuster action films. I think that's what they need to keep on doing - don't cast obvious action stars, but don't pluck someone out of sheer obscurity either.

(Not to say that Brandon was bad, but we knew absolutely nothing about his acting ability and hiring an unknown has the side effect of typecasting.)

[Gotham]

Anne Thompson's take:


Clearly, Warner Bros. is abandoning the idea of sending Superman into a movie with other superheroes, like a Superman/Batman movie or Justice League, because as Warner prexy Jeff Robinov admits in this long interview with The Wall Street Journal (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121936107614461929.html?mod=googlenews_wsj) about his studio's future strategy, right now Warners doesn't know who Superman is. Wanted: a new model Superman.

Figuring out how the iconic DC comic character will proceed is front and center for the studio, which was not entirely happy with Bryan Singer's Superman Returns. Neither were many fans, who objected to the love triangle with a married Lois Lane, as well as her child, fathered by Superman. They also want a mightier and more formidable villain than Lex Luthor, played by Kevin Spacey. Director Bryan Singer, who is currently attached to what was to be a Superman Returns sequel, had promised fanns at Comic-Con to go "Wrath of Khan" on it. If Singer, who has been preoccupied with his upcoming World War II Tom Cruise movie, Valkyrie, can't find a "reboot" that meets Warners' expectations, they'll move on.

[FlawlessVictory]

LOL I have more quotes from Steve/Archangel (I can't believe I'm posting that):



"I've been grilling my friends in low places and here's what I know.....

The "dark" comment is not so much of the characters themselves, but of the universe they will be portrayed in. All the solo characters will be in the same time line and continuity as Batman so they can combine the characters in a similar way as Marvel is doing. Gotham has always been a much darker and more criminal city than any other. The solo films not only need to have a tone that separates themselves from each other, but also connects them without having to think to hard about it. Batman, being their most successful comic franchise, will serve as the launching point that JLA was meant to be.

From what I was told today, the aim is to get Batman 3 and the new Superman film out during the same summer with Batman releasing first and Superman two months later. Most likely in 2011, but 2010 if they can manage to pull it off. I've also been told that they appear to have narrowed down the writers for the Superman reboot in just the past few days which is sad for us, while great news at the same time if Mark Millar is on that short list. George Miller, now that JLA has officially been bumped to follow Marvel's lead, may be given Wonder Woman where he can groom his darling Megan Gale, but it's far from locked up. Look for Snyder to come in and do a solo film as well. We already know he passed on Superman, but Green Lantern has become a possible option. Peter Jackson, though he is co-writing The Hobbit, had his schedule suddenly free up and is rumored to have been called for a film as well. And yes, James Cameron's name is still floating around as well.

I hope the full announcement with their schedule is released soon so we know exactly what is still rumor and what is cold hard fact. At the very least, we know Routh, Bosworth, and company are gone. Thank God for small favors!

- Steve"


***

"I've been told Routh is gone, but Singer has the option to be a producer. As stated in a recent article, "...if he gets in the way, he's gone."

- Steve"

---

WOW a lot of things in common with Showtime's story.

I don't how much truth there is in that entire post, but it makes a lot of sense. And since Batman is the most successful and stable franchise they have right now, I'm not surprised he is leading the charge for the other DC characters.

[NavSealShark]

Yeah I agree. I'm just trying to fill you guys in on what I'm reading on the movie sites. The man has to be an actor if they are considering him or fighting over him.

[FlawlessVictory]

Anne Thompson's take:

Thanks for posting but Singer is gone. Showtime confirmed this. There is no way they do a reboot and Singer is still directing because then Routh will be back and then it gets starts getting messy because it will have the same cast but will not be connected to SR. Gets too convoluted.

Singer is gone and so is the entire cast.

Reboot here we come!!! :woot:

[Mister J]

I had largely positive feelings about SR, but if I had gotten what I wanted by way of a sequel, it would have been an effective reboot anyway. There were too many story elements or characterizations that I would have liked seen changed to establish much in the way of continuity. Truth be told, they could have scrapped everything (and I mean everything) other than Brandon and I wouldn't have blinked. However, the idea of a 'reintroduction' isn't entirely surprising and (personal favor for Mr. Routh aside) I'm glad a plan seems to be in place for Superman, which I what I care about overall.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Honestly I think that some people just don't want to except the fact that SR isn't getting a sequel.

[8wid]

No more seventies looking Superman!

[GreenKToo]

I think you can stick a fork in the sequel, it's done.
Like it or not, a reboot appears to be what's gonna happen.

[MaceB]

I just hope they take this opportunity, and send Superman to new and dangerous places. Here are a few things that I would like to see:

1) Superman ought to be a character undergoing change. This has never really been done before; he's always pure Superman from start to finish. By allowing him to grow, it would really help them set up a great franchise... in my mind, it'd be great to one day see Superman in his older years. This is why I had no problem with the little kid in Singer. In my mind, it would be cool to see Superman go from a timid young man to a father and a *maybe* husband. I would have liked to see how a Super person would deal with that.

2) Because Superman would be a character who changes, the inevitable result would have to be the death or silencing of Clark Kent. Clark is nothing more than the personification of Superman's feelings of alienation. I like that Clark is an awkward guy, because it shows that Superman doesn't really understand how to connect with people. Clark is like the inner boy, still scared by the fact that he is different; ultimately Superman will have to face this problem and accept his nature as special and unique. When that happens, he should let Clark go. Ha can still marry Lois and everything else without him.

3) If WB really wants to turn this thing around, they should think ahead and schedule out the future of the series. I'd prefer if this was merely the first of a greater saga. That way, we can still start over with a new saga once this one runs it's course. I'm sure a lot of people disagree, but I'd be down to see the Doomsday, Rein of Superman series put to celluloid. It's pretty fantastical... but luckily we can do that now with CG. Otherwise, something with Darkseid would be uber sweet and warranting a larger story.

4) Give Superman limits. I'm tired of him reversing time or picking up continents. He ought to be very strong; yes, but its up to the filmmaker to decide just how strong. Superman can be killed by things other than Kryptonite. And along with this - give him clear motivations and an actual psychology. Superman is a very interesting person not because of the yellow sun, but because he continuously chooses to help those who are less fortunate than him. When I think of Superman, I think of an estranged orphan who grows up with an obsessive need to prove himself, to be worthy, to earn love. In that way, it's a very relatable story. More than anything else, we need to understand where Superman is coming from.

Lastly) Like everyone has said, Superman needs an actual threat to punch. I'd prefer him to be overly muscular actually; I never understood why everyone is so afraid of casting the big and tall. You know what? Jesus was probably a crazy tall, super tough looking Jewish carpenter. And I betcha that if you were to see Superman in real life, he'd be built like no one's business. It'd be great to see a really strong looking Superman kicking someone's butt.

[smsvmos]

Good thing that they are rebooting the franchise cause Superman need justice

What WB need to do is bring Superman and Batman movies in the same year like Marvel did with Hulk and Iron Man. Batman 3 needs a cameo in its next movie to make the same numbers it did with The Dark knight so I say bring Clark Kent as a reporter for a small cameo like Hulk did with Tony Stark. and after that bring Superman the reboot.

For the Superman movie we dont need a complete retelling of the story. We can bring the version of Birthright.

[Closerframe]

Yay, a reboot

[DieSmiling]

Ooh, George Miller doing Wonder Woman... I like the sound of that...

[Nixon]

Did he try to destroy a large part of the world while conquering Gaul?

Because creating NK would have crashed the world's economy and so who would have bought that land?

The rich people who would've still had money?




That doesn't work, caesar didn't put himself in a position that would allowed to kill him in short order.

Oh you're right, Caesar didn't do anything that would've made somebody want to kill him. That's why he was never stabbed repeatedly in the Senate on the Ides of March . . .



He could ransomed the world, isn't that enough?


Eh, I guess. But it wouldn't have been any better than what they did and possibly much worse.


We never saw of that stuff, in the movie, a movie needs show these things, not just mention them.


Had we seen them it would've meant that Superman failed to stop Luthor's plot. That being said we saw the promise of these things with the Fortress of Solitude and Superman's crystal ship.



Considering we would have seen a super villain fight, yes it does work better for a movie.


Yes, because punching is always better.


Why was lex the only villain in sR in the first place?


Again, creative decision.



Because its a BS argument, Ebert liked the Donner films but hated SR, its because he is fickle or because SR sucks? Maybe fans hate SR because it sucked?


Yeah, the fickleness comes not from liking or disliking one movie and not the next, it comes from calling someone a genius after one movie and a base hack after the next.

You know why Ebert isn't fickle, because he didn't do that.



Kitty was she a good minion or the guy guarding Jason who was playing the piano and let Lois send a fax to Clark, are any of them as good as Mercy?


Kitty wasn't a minion, she was an accessory.


No one in real life reveals in evil or thinks they are evil. That whole plot was out of a sat morning cartoon.


Or maybe a comic book? Gee why would they ever want to make a Superman movie like a comic book . . .



Lex should be a pragmatist, he should evil, but he isn't the Joker, he should n'tkill millions of people just to kill Superman, he should devise a way to Superman and look like hero in the process.


He wasn't killing millions of people just to kill Superman though. Also, it seems that making Lex a threat to the world, rather than just to Superman, makes Superman a better hero because he's saving us and not just himself.



The fact is Lex creating metallo and metallo turning against Lex and Superman defeating metallo would have been better movie then SR.


That's a fact is it? I thought it was you just dodging my question. What would keep a Bizarro or a Metallo from turning on Lex?




And now singer is out and they are rebooting the franchise, so exactly why was that a good idea?

Let's assume this reboot uses corporate Lex. Now let's assume that the reboot does the same thing the TIH did, i.e. no better than its predecessor.

Will that make corporate Lex a bad idea?



So rehashing the Lex from Superman I was better, instead of coming up with something now, we get something recycled from 78?


Corporate Lex is so 1986. Why should they recycle Gordon Gecko with Kryptonite. They should make Lex more now, they shoul make him like Osama Bin Laden with Kryptonite.




that suck sucks and its mainly watched by bored teens and almost no one at this point, when we seen post crisis Lex in medium that is as popular as a Hollywood film?


So then, the only popular depictions of Superman that count are the ones you like? Smallville sucks, but it's also a TV show that millions of people have been watching for seven years now and it's got corporate Lex in it.





You don't think the cops would notice a known criminal is profiting on the destruction of Cal and bring him for questioning, lex was already wanted by the police they wouldn't need to prove anything!


Guilt and the suspicion of guilt are two different things. With what would they connect him to those missles?

Expect there was a warrant for Donner Lex's arrest.

For what? For using missles to sink California?

Also, Lex was doing his land buying annonymously through dummy corporations, it's not like he was going to show up somewhere to collect a giant novelty cardboard cheque or something.

Well then ebert missed it as well, because he thought the plan was stupid.

Ebert's entitled to his opinion. I'm entitled to mine. He was also bored by the big fights of TIH, I wonder what he would've thought of corporate Lex setting up a big dust-up btw Supes and Metallo?


Ah and he would have crashed the world's economy in the process so who would have bought that land?

See above



Bring it on ? Since we never saw the tech in action how am I supposed to judge its effectiveness in preventing people from killing you in your sleep?


See above


that's something a captain Planet villain would do, not any sort of real business man.


So, corporations have never, ever done anything untoward in the search for profits? They've never, ever put aside what's best for other people or the environment so they could make more money?

You don't read alot of news do you?





How about quit acting like an arrogant person for a sec, huh.

I guess Ebert is fickle as well, because he like the donner films but said Spacey Lex sucked, is maybe Ebert doesn't like singer Lex. I guess you know more then he does.


I'm starting to think you don't know what fickle means.


Also Morrison thought that movie sucked too, Morrison could have made pre crisis Lex work, but Singer didn't. Is Morrison an idiot for not liking Singer lex now?


Did Morrison specifically not like the movie because of Lex?

Face it, the studio thinks SR sucked that's why we are getting a reboot. If singer lex was so prefect then why is the franchise being rebooted?

I imagine the franchise is getting a reboot more because it cost alot of money and didn't make enough of it back.


I don't want to continue this long conversation, so let get right to it, what could have done with this Lex in a sequel and you are saying none of the criticisms leveled against him were valid?


Well, this is what they were planning to do with him at one point:

Lex, has got the knowledge of Jason's true parentage to lord over Superman and Lois. When Brainiac comes he can use that to keep Superman at bay while he uses his vast intellect - he's already figured out one advanced alien technology what's another? - to help Superman defeat Brainiac. Being the guy that helped saved the world, and with the knowledge of his son to keep Superman and Lois at bay, gives his a lot of freedom to do anything he wants, even start a company or enter politics if he wants.

[GreenLantern1]

It boggles my mind when people say they wanted SR to continue. You really wanted a Superman movie revolving Superman's son? and every sequel after that? That was really the dumbest idea ever. You also want that lame Lex Luthor with his stupid real estate plots? I want the Lex from the comics, a mastermind. I also want Superman to not be such a bit*h.

I hope they do a TIH with the origin, I seen it enough already. I want full on Superman.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

These arguements are silly now. It doesn't matter if you liked SR, it failed to meet the studio's and the audience expectations so they are starting over. End of story.

[Double Down]

I just read this at the movie site and I am just blown away. Either this guy or the rights to this guy is in a tug of war between DC and Marvel.
I'm torn because I like Superman and Captain America. But I could see him as Superman.




http://pichostonline.com/u/080823/3a871840c0.jpg (http://pichostonline.com/)




People are pointing at his hair as the only thing needed to be changed for Superman since he's blond but he naturally has the Reeves superman bangs.
I'm completely torn here.

Here's videos of him I found thanks to the member cerealkiller here:

Fan Tribute to him:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skEOpgmoUN0

Funny Video of Him featuring him as Captain America:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrqCYZO3Zyo

I found this blog about him too:

http://brendabloggerbabe.blogspot.com/

The guy looks superhero through and through and my question is has this ever happened before? One man torn between two heros and two rival companies?
I'm just torn. I'm really torn.

Is he the next Superman? Or Captain America?

Today's news has put me in a bad mood, but this guy always makes me laugh. Why? Because the guy in these photos ("Steve Rogers") is the one posting the messages. If you want to have some fun, go here: http://forums.superherohype.com/search.php?searchid=4715459
But, hey, he's giving it a go, right?

[FlawlessVictory]

These arguements are silly now. It doesn't matter if you liked SR, it failed to meet the studio's and the audience expectations so they are starting over. End of story.

Exactly. And no more polls, graphs, rating, grades, awards and scenarios stating why SR deserves a sequel. One can talk about until they are blue in the face, bottom line is the studio doesn't believe in Singer's Superman and that's what matters most.

[Matt]

Exactly. And no more polls, graphs, rating, grades, awards and scenarios stating why SR deserves a sequel. One can talk about until they are blue in the face, bottom line is the studio doesn't believe in Singer's Superman and that's what matters most.

So refreshing to finally hear that. :up:

[smooth3006]

i think the wb is making a horrible decision here. superman is not a dark character and please don't follow anything batman. i honestly didn't like the dark knight. if they do go ahead with this i hope they finally cast tom welling. this will be the last season of smallville and it would be a perfect transition imo.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

So refreshing to finally hear that. :up:Yes it is. I'm so glad that you were right. You always seemed to think that, more likely than not, Singer's Superman would go the way of the dodo, I thought the exact opposite.

[GreenKToo]

Today's news has put me in a bad mood, but this guy always makes me laugh. Why? Because the guy in these photos ("Steve Rogers") is the one posting the messages. If you want to have some fun, go here: http://forums.superherohype.com/search.php?searchid=4715459
But, hey, he's giving it a go, right?
The dude looks nothing like Superman, black hair or no. Steve Rogers maaaaybe.

[FlawlessVictory]

Yes it is. I'm so glad that you were right. You always seemed to think that, more likely than not, Singer's Superman would go the way of the dodo, I thought the exact opposite.

And don't forget buggs, he always thought that as well. Although he really did get worked up when discussing the matter, LOL.

[Hulkfan2008!]

i wanna see peter jackson direct.

i can see it all now:

Superman: Man of steel - villians: lex luther, Braniac.
story:
a new retelling of superman's origns, rooted more to the connection of krypton, the house of -EL, and braniac.
braniac being an android, built by Jor-el to travel the galaxies and retrieve information for its master. but as it travelled the galaxies it developes a higher form of thinking and betrayes jor-el forcing him to put him in suspended animation.
after the desruction of krypton, clark makes his way slowley towards earth, with braniac in his prison, slowley following.
Near 20 yrs later clark has grown into a hero metropolis has come to love, but braniac is awakened by the synical and mischevious lex luther and has now saught revenge on the only living decendent of jor-el....
clark must find the true hero within as Superman to stop the threat of the braniac.

Superman: doomsday - villians: lex luther, doomsday


Superman: Reberth - villians: lex luther, bizzaro

[Michael Corleone]

So refreshing to finally hear that. :up:

It certainly is nice to know one way or another now. Like Returns or not, we now can focus on more entertaining stuff!

[Hunter Rider]

i think the wb is making a horrible decision here. superman is not a dark character and please don't follow anything batman. i honestly didn't like the dark knight. if they do go ahead with this i hope they finally cast tom welling. this will be the last season of smallville and it would be a perfect transition imo.

:bomb:

[Spider-Fan]

And don't forget buggs, he always thought that as well. Although he really did get worked up when discussing the matter, LOL.

I also saw this coming. I've been saying for a while WB's silence was very telling.

[Michael Corleone]

i wanna see peter jackson direct.

i can see it all now:

Superman: Man of steel - villians: lex luther, Braniac.
story:
a new retelling of superman's origns, rooted more to the connection of krypton, the house of -EL, and braniac.
braniac being an android, built by Jor-el to travel the galaxies and retrieve information for its master. but as it travelled the galaxies it developes a higher form of thinking and betrayes jor-el forcing him to put him in suspended animation.
after the desruction of krypton, clark makes his way slowley towards earth, with braniac in his prison, slowley following.
Near 20 yrs later clark has grown into a hero metropolis has come to love, but braniac is awakened by the synical and mischevious lex luther and has now saught revenge on the only living decendent of jor-el....
clark must find the true hero within as Superman to stop the threat of the braniac.

Superman: doomsday - villians: lex luther, doomsday


Superman: Reberth - villians: lex luther, bizzaro

Peter Jackson would be interesting, but I think he's going to be quite busy writing the two hobbit films. Normally writing wouldn't necessarily hold someone back from doing other things, but we all know Jackson likes to pour himself into something. Especially when it's another Tolkien project, director or not.

Edit: That being said, Jackson does know how to get the most bang for the buck and I would love to see Weta handle the f/x work.

[Hole Shot]

The only thing worse than being type cast is being type cast for a role in a failed film. Reeve could never quite break away from Superman in his acting career and the first 2 films were successful. That doesn't bode well for Routh.

That's why I think Bale or his agent was incredibly smart in getting the role of John Connor. Instead of just doing low key films and hoping his acting gets noticed outside of playing a superhero, he dove right into another lead role in blockbuster franchise. Combine that with Killing Pablo and Public Enemies he's probably one of the few actors who's stock is actually rising after having a recurring superhero role while others just tend to hit plateau and the biggest they ever were was when they played the franchise superhero - Reeves, Maguire, Snipes, possibly Routh. Hugh Jackman is the only other guy I can think of that has really elevated from his comic book role and Bale is already moving past him.

[GreenKToo]

I think most of us saw the writing on the wall and thought something was up. The longer the silence continued, the more likely a reboot was coming. Still, at least we know for sure now and can move on. I'm glad, because i'm tired of the sequel debates.

[X Knight]

the "dark" comments aside, this latest news is certainly welcome and refreshing.

Myself, Mego Joe, Flawless Victory, I SEE SPIDEY, and all the others here who have been clamoring for a reboot to the franchise these past 2 years......well, it looks like our wishes are coming true!! Finally, we are getting more "official" new re WB's plans for the Superman franchise.

HOWEVER, I am not doing a total celebration dance yet. After all, THIS IS WB WE'RE TALKING ABOUT!! There's still a remote chance that they can still screw it up.....

so.....I'll remain cautiously optimistic for now.........

[I SEE SPIDEY]

And don't forget buggs, he always thought that as well. Although he really did get worked up when discussing the matter, LOL.Do have to remember him? lol

I also saw this coming. I've been saying for a while WB's silence was very telling.Indeed it was.

[jrd550]

It boggles my mind when people say they wanted SR to continue. You really wanted a Superman movie revolving Superman's son? and every sequel after that? That was really the dumbest idea ever. You also want that lame Lex Luthor with his stupid real estate plots? I want the Lex from the comics, a mastermind. I also want Superman to not be such a bit*h.

I hope they do a TIH with the origin, I seen it enough already. I want full on Superman.

hey I HATED the kid and wish he were dead if we get a singer sequel, but you must admit, that if singer never gets his chance to make a sequel, you have to be curous what he had in mind all along...

[Super Kal]

And don't forget buggs, he always thought that as well. Although he really did get worked up when discussing the matter, LOL.
he turned out to be right all along

[Spider-Fan]

the "dark" comments aside, this latest news is certainly welcome and refreshing.

Myself, Mego Joe, Flawless Victory, I SEE SPIDEY, and all the others here who have been clamoring for a reboot to the franchise these past 2 years......well, it looks like our wishes are coming true!! Finally, we are getting more "official" new re WB's plans for the Superman franchise.

HOWEVER, I am not doing a total celebration dance yet. After all, THIS IS WB WE'RE TALKING ABOUT!! There's still a remote chance that they can still screw it up.....

so.....I'll remain cautiously optimistic for now.........

Indeed we are getting our wish :up:

And I don't buy into that "Be careful what you wish for" mentality. I had no confidence in MoS by Singer, so even if the reboot sucks, I think a sequel would have sucked anyway, so it is break even for me. But, here, we have a shot at a good movie :up:

Do have to remember him? lol

Indeed it was.

Silence normally is :up:

[X Knight]

so....umm....do you think they'll "redesign" the Superman costume? update it, while still retaining the classic colors and "theme."

[Hole Shot]

I think most of us saw the writing on the wall and thought something was up. The longer the silence continued, the more likely a reboot was coming. Still, at least we know for sure now and can move on. I'm glad, because i'm tired of the sequel debates.

What I honestly think happened is that WB had yet to move forward with Man of Steel, saw Marvel's line-up and Avengers plans and with the writers strike on the way FREAKED OUT and thought they could beat Marvel to the punch with JLA but went about it the totally wrong way and it turned into a cluster f***.

Meanwhile they got a box office record smashing reminder they own the rights to greatest on screen superhero (IMO). WB stepped back, took a breath and decided to come up with an actual strategic plan to build the live action DC Universe around what actually works.

[Double Down]

Followup from Anne Thompson:

"it all starts with the direction and the script. then singer and warners figure things out. cast is last on the list..."
Posted by: anne thompson (http://www.typepad.com/t/comments?__mode=red&user_id=4113&id=127466256)

[Nixon]

Probably.

[Super Kal]

so....umm....do you think they'll "redesign" the Superman costume? update it, while still retaining the classic colors and "theme."
I really hope they do...

[Hole Shot]

so....umm....do you think they'll "redesign" the Superman costume? update it, while still retaining the classic colors and "theme."

I really don't want a major change, minor tweaks might be alright like getting rid of the exterior underwear.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I really hope they do...As do I.

I'm not going to lie guys, I've never been against revamping Supes costume. Hell, if I made a Superman movie the fans would be mad at me.

[Spider-Fan]

I think they should stay true to the costume. It is too iconic to me to alter too much. Slightly, sure. Overtly, not so much.

[GreenKToo]

What I honestly think happened is that WB had yet to move forward with Man of Steel, saw Marvel's line-up and Avengers plans and with the writers strike on the way FREAKED OUT and thought they could beat Marvel to the punch with JLA but went about it the totally wrong way and it turned into a cluster f***.

Meanwhile they got a box office record smashing reminder they own the rights to greatest on screen superhero (IMO). WB stepped back, took a breath and decided to come up with an actual strategic plan to build the live action DC Universe around what actually works.
Thats as good of a reason as any i've heard so far.

[X Knight]

If they are going to reboot/restart/revamp/reintroduce the franchise, SINGER SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED ANYWHERE NEAR THE PROJECT!!!

He had his chance with SR, and he blew it. I really don't care what new ideas he has; he had his chance to do that in SR. Get someone new!!

So, you either bring in an entirely new and fresh creative team, or you let Singer continue with his sequel to SR.

PICK ONE WB!! Don't allow Singer to "mess up" another director's vision. Don't do this "revamp" halfway. The last thing we need is another "vague sequel" to an already "vague sequel."

[Super Kal]

As do I.

I'm not going to lie guys, I've never been against revamping Supes costume. Hell, if I made a Superman movie the fans would be mad at me.
I'm not against changing it either, to be honest... but what I am adamant about is the color they use for it.

[GreenKToo]

As do I.

I'm not going to lie guys, I've never been against revamping Supes costume. Hell, if I made a Superman movie the fans would be mad at me.
As long as I can see at it and think Superman, then I'd be fine with it.
If I saw it and had to guess who it belonged to, then no.

[Spider-Fan]

If they are going to reboot/restart/revamp/reintroduce the franchise, SINGER SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED ANYWHERE NEAR THE PROJECT!!!

He had his chance with SR, and he blew it. I really don't care what new ideas he has; he had his chance to do that in SR. Get someone new!!

So, you either bring in an entirely new and fresh creative team, or you let Singer continue with his sequel to SR.

PICK ONE WB!! Don't allow Singer to "mess up" another director's vision. Don't do this "revamp" halfway. The last thing we need is another "vague sequel" to an already "vague sequel."

Exactly. Singer had an unlimited budget and complete creative control, and he gave us THAT. Any ideas he has should immediately be thrown out.

[bunk]

I really hope they do...

I really hope they don't screw with it.

I really don't want a major change, minor tweaks might be alright like getting rid of the exterior underwear.

No!

As do I.

I'm not going to lie guys, I've never been against revamping Supes costume. Hell, if I made a Superman movie the fans would be mad at me.


You guys disappoint me.

[GreenKToo]

Followup from Anne Thompson:

"it all starts with the direction and the script. then singer and warners figure things out. cast is last on the list..."
Posted by: anne thompson (http://www.typepad.com/t/comments?__mode=red&user_id=4113&id=127466256)
what's this?? :huh: Is singer out or not?

[FlawlessVictory]

What I honestly think happened is that WB had yet to move forward with Man of Steel, saw Marvel's line-up and Avengers plans and with the writers strike on the way FREAKED OUT and thought they could beat Marvel to the punch with JLA but went about it the totally wrong way and it turned into a cluster f***.

Meanwhile they got a box office record smashing reminder they own the rights to greatest on screen superhero (IMO). WB stepped back, took a breath and decided to come up with an actual strategic plan to build the live action DC Universe around what actually works.

I would put Iron Man into the equation as well. Iron Man showed second rate superheroes have potential if handled right. So this allowed WB to see their potential in their characters not named Batman and Superman, and perhaps use them first leading into a JLA film as opposed to the other way around.

[Double Down]

what's this?? :huh: Is singer out or not?

I don't think Anne believes he is definitely out.

[Showtime]

I have no idea what that means. Anne knows more then me for sure, but I heard Singer is already out...I don't know.

[GreenKToo]

The plot thickens.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I'm not against changing it either, to be honest... but what I am adamant about is the color they use for it.The colors should stay the same.

As long as I can see at it and think Superman, then I'd be fine with it.
If I saw it and had to guess who it belonged to, then no.I agree.

[X Knight]

I thought Singer and co was out!!!

I mean, if you want Singer involved, then let him do a sequel to SR!

Otherwise, drop him and bring in a totally new team. Don't "keep him on" as a producer or whatever.

I mean, that's kind of insulting to Singer. That's like saying: "Well, we thought your vision for SR sucked. So, we're bringing a new team with a new vision. BUT, we want you to stay on as producer and "approve" of the new ideas."

:huh:

[Nixon]

I have no idea what that means. Anne knows more then me for sure, but I heard Singer is already out...I don't know.


Maybe he's out but not 'officially' out?

[I SEE SPIDEY]

^Thats what I'm thinking.

[Double Down]

I have no idea what that means. Anne knows more then me for sure, but I heard Singer is already out...I don't know.

I have always had the feeling that Anne is tight with Tull and Horn. Is it possible one or both has different ideas than Robinov?

[FlawlessVictory]

what's this?? :huh: Is singer out or not?

Singer is out. Ann Thompson in her blog says it's a reboot. You don't bring back the same director to reboot a franchise after his first film cause the need for the reboot to begin with.

[Showtime]

Well when I say "out", I mean director. I was told he is out as director. If he still has that deal in place, he could be on in another capacity ie Producer or Writer as we discussed.

[GreenKToo]

I don't really care one way or the other about Singer but this craps getting silly with all the guessing.:D still, its kinda fun.

[Showtime]

I have always had the feeling that Anne is tight with Tull and Horn. Is it possible one or both has different ideas than Robinov?

I hope not...

[Hole Shot]

No!

YES!

Wait. What are you no-ing me for? Getting rid of the panties or just making minor changes?

Actually, bunk do you have any manips of what you'd like to see for costume? I'd like to see them if you do.

[Spider-Fan]

Maybe he is Burton out. Burton was an executive producer on BF, so maybe it is like that. He has no creative control, but may get an EP credit.

[FlawlessVictory]

I thought Singer and co was out!!!

I mean, if you want Singer involved, then let him do a sequel to SR!

Otherwise, drop him and bring in a totally new team. Don't "keep him on" as a producer or whatever.

I mean, that's kind of insulting to Singer. That's like saying: "Well, we thought your vision for SR sucked. So, we're bringing a new team with a new vision. BUT, we want you to stay on as producer and "approve" of the new ideas."

:huh:

I imagine he would be a producer like Burton was a producer on Batman Forever.