Reintroducing Superman: An Open Discussion

[Sam]

The doors have been shut and the cracks have been filled. There are much less leaks at WB/DC then before. They have done a good job keeping quiet with all properties, not just Superman. Notice the only information we are getting on Superman has come from Levitz, Horn, and the Legendary website. No more little bits of information from websites, from "insiders", or anywhere else.

I have no doubt, at this point, that WB has no clue about what do do with the franchise. There was probably a strugle inside the company between ppl that wants a sequel and ppl that wants reboot, and that paralysed the project.

SR "disapointment" also ruined Shazam movie.

When a company wants to make a movie, the simple do it. No discussion.

Disney started Pirates 2 even without a script ready. WB itself move Green Lanter project very fast after Iron Man success.

Fact is that Warner is not competent with DC properties. Batman is an exception (that proves the rule) not because of the studio, but because they got luck with Nolan and his vision.

Its pretty incredible how Marvel Studios, a new company on the business, worked well building Iron Man and a big stuido like WB doesnt know what to do.

[KalMart]

Also, Marvel is...after all...a comic company. They motivate the development of the characters from their perspective more now, have more creative control, and have the options to get any one of several studios to distribute/take it on as long as it sits well with them. DC has been owned by WB for a long time, so it's structurally different. Aside from the execs not wanting to give much 'control' to one of their underlings, it's their property. So if people want DC to handle movies like Marvel does, it's got a much different hill to climb than Marvel had to get to that point.

[Sam]

Also, Marvel is...after all...a comic company. They motivate the development of the characters from their perspective more now, have more creative control, and have the options to get any one of several studios to distribute/take it on as long as it sits well with them. DC has been owned by WB for a long time, so it's structurally different. Aside from the execs not wanting to give much 'control' to one of their underlings, it's their property. So if people want DC to handle movies like Marvel does, it's got a much different hill to climb than Marvel had to get to that point.

I see it different. DC doesnt need to hundle movies like Marvel.

WB that must use DC and their team to help them to develop the properties. And they dont. Maybe they dont see DC like a "seriously" company worth of opinion, I dunno...

Not using this advantage, since they are both from same company, looks like incompetence for me.

[Webhead2006]

yea i do hate that nothing seems to be happening with other dc characters at this moment besides hex currently filming, and gl in prep work. Everyone else like a aquaman/flash/ww should have had happened already in the last few yrs. But wb just doesnt do anything which sucks a bit.

[solidsnake86]

What they need to do with Superman is tell an original story using story arcs and elements from the comics as was done with Batman Begins. Yes, I know Superman held up a car like Action Comics #1 and some more panels here and there but the rest came from the Donnerverse. It isn't rocket science, I don't know what WB is doing.

Its painfully obvious this is what they need to do. They need to bring in the fun elements back in and the only way to do that is an origin ala begins. Like I've said before, I would be really surprised if they havent received multiple origin scripts. There obviously waiting for something to happen, what it is, who knows.

[mjbull23]

I feel that they are probably still fielding offers from writers, reviewing potential storylines. In other words, exactly what was happening a year ago. They most likley have not seen anything they feel is strong enough to move on. When they do, they will begin courting directors of their choosing....


But we won't know anything for sure until they announce who is officially attached as a writer. that announcement will come before they announce any pre ordained director.

[dark_b]

in the time they are waiting TF,IM,... will make a lot of money and people will love it.

[BATZARRO WWD]

and for all the deviations in B89, it stuck very close to the mood, atmosphere and characterization of many of the various comicbook interpretations.

so there.

I think 89 did roughly what a lot of people are asking about a new Superman: Having the origin implied, but not make it an origin story, and simply bring in more action and less dovey eyed looks. Was it a concentrated extract of the comics? No. But it kept the general ideas of it(a dark and dangerous criminal world and it's angst driven vigilante man and murderous gun toting clown) and built on it.Though I doubt any of them want any more than 0 Prince songs in there. :cwink:

I wonder what kinds of scripts WB execs have been reading? If at least we knew if what they were considering was sequels, reboots or everything...

[terry78]

They ****ed up with Lois having Supes' bastard son. The only way this works now is if he's older in the sequel or they casually disregard it, like he's away at school or something or his powers didn't really manifest as he got older.

[terry78]

They ****ed up with Lois having Supes' bastard son. The only way this works now is if he's older in the sequel or they casually disregard it, like he's away at school or something or his powers didn't really manifest as he got older.

[Christmas]

I feel that they are probably still fielding offers from writers, reviewing potential storylines. In other words, exactly what was happening a year ago. They most likley have not seen anything they feel is strong enough to move on. When they do, they will begin courting directors of their choosing....


But we won't know anything for sure until they announce who is officially attached as a writer. that announcement will come before they announce any pre ordained director.

Or maybe they'll be the same person.

WB must have seen tons of pitches and treatments, not to mention Singer's ideas when he was on the project.

My hunch is they are holding out for the best talent possible. They'd be very wise not to patch together a production from mediocre or rushed treatments.

I hope the production team assembled is worthy of the task.

[Excel]

Imo W.B. are doing the best thing possible: sit on it. Wait for it to come together on its own; trying to force would be a terrible start.

Looking at it from strictly a financial situation (because its impossible to really say who & what needs to happen to make it successful amongst fans), we saw how The Incredible Hulk struggled to garner buzz because the previous film was fresh in others mind. This is only real recent comparison for Superman; though it should be noted:

1. Superman Returns was not
A)as high profile as Hulk. which the entire industry expected to be the next Spiderman after the sweet teaser Hulk had with Spidey. Hulk was tracking in the high 80s as late as June 15th (it opened the 20th), so its 62 million opening was totally dissappointing from the start, irreguardless of how terrible the word of mouth was. This is NOT to say Superman Returns was high profile (it was marketed all out), however, SR wasnt even the most high profile release within 2 weeks of itself; let alone it month, which Hulk was.

B)as hated as Hulk. Superman Returns general reaction wasnt godo or bad rather just totally forgettable. Hulk was VERY memorable-people remembered HATING it. Big difference.

2. There was a 5 years release dap between HULK and TIH. With Superman, assuming a director signed onto tomorrow, with film next spring, summer 2011 is the EARLIEST possible, which is also 5 years. At this point that seems extremely unlikely. Barring an unexpected change of results where the project magically comes together, I would guess the EARLIEST we see Superman on screen is sometime after 2015. Thats what I think we can expect the 4th Batfilm.

Basically, the longer the gap, the better in terms of selling it. The name Superman seels itself to a certain extent, and longer the period between film, the more effective it should be. Obviously, a reboot released i na few years, say between 2011-2014-could def. work from a financial standpoint; Bond, Bats, and possibly in a few weeks, Star Trek-can all atest to that. But that requires literally top of the line production in every phase, along with a good release date and strong marketing to be success. As The Incredible Hulk shows, should a "reboot" not get the out-of-this-world word of mouth required, its virtually impossible to become a big hit because it simply wont open high enough; none of the examples I named above (Batman (Begins), Bond (Casino Royale), Star Trek) opened nearly as well as their predessecors did and relied on word of mouth to get a decent total, with the overall goal being huge money in the sequel. Should a reboot not get ther wom nessecary to get a decent after its soft opening, there is no seque at all.

The goal to shoot for is, obviously, reboot-type word of mouth to ensure healthy word of mouth combined with the thirst from the general audience to see the film that only comes with the character being away from the screen for a long period of time. There are recent examples of this all around, from Transformers to Star Wars prequels to Die Hard 4.

Or, in other words, while W.B. will clearly try to continue the development of a new Supes, I doubt they are in any rush (nor should they be) the way they were to get Batman back on the big screen, Universal rushed Hulk back, ect.

The only thing I would say IS clear is that an origin film is needed; if only to make the character more interesting. Stretching a story (that films like Batman Begins, Spiderman 1, Iron Man, Superman: The movie told in their final 60-70 minutes) over the course of 2 1/2 hours makes the film DRAG, as was blatantly obvious with Superman Returns. Its uncommon among big movies like a Superman movie that an original story can really last & work over the period of 2 1/2 hours; the only recent ones that I can recall really working is TDK and Spidey 2.

[wellsy]

Imo W.B. are doing the best thing possible: sit on it. Wait for it to come together on its own; trying to force would be a terrible start.

Looking at it from strictly a financial situation (because its impossible to really say who & what needs to happen to make it successful amongst fans), we saw how The Incredible Hulk struggled to garner buzz because the previous film was fresh in others mind. This is only real recent comparison for Superman; though it should be noted:

1. Superman Returns was not
A)as high profile as Hulk. which the entire industry expected to be the next Spiderman after the sweet teaser Hulk had with Spidey. Hulk was tracking in the high 80s as late as June 15th (it opened the 20th), so its 62 million opening was totally dissappointing from the start, irreguardless of how terrible the word of mouth was. This is NOT to say Superman Returns was high profile (it was marketed all out), however, SR wasnt even the most high profile release within 2 weeks of itself; let alone it month, which Hulk was.

B)as hated as Hulk. Superman Returns general reaction wasnt godo or bad rather just totally forgettable. Hulk was VERY memorable-people remembered HATING it. Big difference.

2. There was a 5 years release dap between HULK and TIH. With Superman, assuming a director signed onto tomorrow, with film next spring, summer 2011 is the EARLIEST possible, which is also 5 years. At this point that seems extremely unlikely. Barring an unexpected change of results where the project magically comes together, I would guess the EARLIEST we see Superman on screen is sometime after 2015. Thats what I think we can expect the 4th Batfilm.

Basically, the longer the gap, the better in terms of selling it. The name Superman seels itself to a certain extent, and longer the period between film, the more effective it should be. Obviously, a reboot released i na few years, say between 2011-2014-could def. work from a financial standpoint; Bond, Bats, and possibly in a few weeks, Star Trek-can all atest to that. But that requires literally top of the line production in every phase, along with a good release date and strong marketing to be success. As The Incredible Hulk shows, should a "reboot" not get the out-of-this-world word of mouth required, its virtually impossible to become a big hit because it simply wont open high enough; none of the examples I named above (Batman (Begins), Bond (Casino Royale), Star Trek) opened nearly as well as their predessecors did and relied on word of mouth to get a decent total, with the overall goal being huge money in the sequel. Should a reboot not get ther wom nessecary to get a decent after its soft opening, there is no seque at all.

The goal to shoot for is, obviously, reboot-type word of mouth to ensure healthy word of mouth combined with the thirst from the general audience to see the film that only comes with the character being away from the screen for a long period of time. There are recent examples of this all around, from Transformers to Star Wars prequels to Die Hard 4.

Or, in other words, while W.B. will clearly try to continue the development of a new Supes, I doubt they are in any rush (nor should they be) the way they were to get Batman back on the big screen, Universal rushed Hulk back, ect.

The only thing I would say IS clear is that an origin film is needed; if only to make the character more interesting. Stretching a story (that films like Batman Begins, Spiderman 1, Iron Man, Superman: The movie told in their final 60-70 minutes) over the course of 2 1/2 hours makes the film DRAG, as was blatantly obvious with Superman Returns. Its uncommon among big movies like a Superman movie that an original story can really last & work over the period of 2 1/2 hours; the only recent ones that I can recall really working is TDK and Spidey 2.
Excel - great assessment of the situation.

However, I'm not too sure about your last paragraph. On the one hand, should we be going with a reboot (or Routhboot. Call it what you will), an origin story would seem the logical course of action. That said, it simply cannot be said that it is needed in the strictest sense of the word. Batman 89 showed us that much.

On the other hand, we have the idea of a prequel (highly unlikely as it may seem). In that case, then an origin story would be almost certainly needed. Of course, given SR's continuity with the Donner films, I sincerely doubt this will occur.

Of course, this entire discussion is based on the next film being a reboot. I honestly can't think that SR was that much of a disaster that WB is currently ruling out a sequel (even now). Ergo, I feel it unwise to assert what will and won't happen. A week is a long time in politics, and I can imagine it being the same in Hollywood.

My two pennies.

[Excel]

I think its extremely obvious we will be getting no sequel; if it was announced tomorrow it wouldnt be out till 2011 at the very earliest which is a 5 years difference.

[Webhead2006]

Yea just starting over and having a fresh take would probably be the best option to go with.

[FlawlessVictory]

Excel, I agree. Although I would like to see a Superman movie sooner than later, WB is much better off holding off for awhile. The more they wait, the more it accomplishes in creating separation from the SR universe with a completely fresh vision and building up anticipation among the general GA.

I would be really surprised if we got a Superman movie before 2014.

[RachelDawes]

I...I don't know if I can take a five year wait. :csad:

[Excel]

we just waited 19

[Bruce_Begins]

I think BB3 is coming out in 2012 ? we can expect for a Superman reboot to come out only after that.

[Daredevil_2003]

Imo W.B. are doing the best thing possible: sit on it. Wait for it to come together on its own; trying to force would be a terrible start.

Looking at it from strictly a financial situation (because its impossible to really say who & what needs to happen to make it successful amongst fans), we saw how The Incredible Hulk struggled to garner buzz because the previous film was fresh in others mind. This is only real recent comparison for Superman; though it should be noted:

1. Superman Returns was not
A)as high profile as Hulk. which the entire industry expected to be the next Spiderman after the sweet teaser Hulk had with Spidey. Hulk was tracking in the high 80s as late as June 15th (it opened the 20th), so its 62 million opening was totally dissappointing from the start, irreguardless of how terrible the word of mouth was. This is NOT to say Superman Returns was high profile (it was marketed all out), however, SR wasnt even the most high profile release within 2 weeks of itself; let alone it month, which Hulk was.

B)as hated as Hulk. Superman Returns general reaction wasnt godo or bad rather just totally forgettable. Hulk was VERY memorable-people remembered HATING it. Big difference.

2. There was a 5 years release dap between HULK and TIH. With Superman, assuming a director signed onto tomorrow, with film next spring, summer 2011 is the EARLIEST possible, which is also 5 years. At this point that seems extremely unlikely. Barring an unexpected change of results where the project magically comes together, I would guess the EARLIEST we see Superman on screen is sometime after 2015. Thats what I think we can expect the 4th Batfilm.

Basically, the longer the gap, the better in terms of selling it. The name Superman seels itself to a certain extent, and longer the period between film, the more effective it should be. Obviously, a reboot released i na few years, say between 2011-2014-could def. work from a financial standpoint; Bond, Bats, and possibly in a few weeks, Star Trek-can all atest to that. But that requires literally top of the line production in every phase, along with a good release date and strong marketing to be success. As The Incredible Hulk shows, should a "reboot" not get the out-of-this-world word of mouth required, its virtually impossible to become a big hit because it simply wont open high enough; none of the examples I named above (Batman (Begins), Bond (Casino Royale), Star Trek) opened nearly as well as their predessecors did and relied on word of mouth to get a decent total, with the overall goal being huge money in the sequel. Should a reboot not get ther wom nessecary to get a decent after its soft opening, there is no seque at all.

The goal to shoot for is, obviously, reboot-type word of mouth to ensure healthy word of mouth combined with the thirst from the general audience to see the film that only comes with the character being away from the screen for a long period of time. There are recent examples of this all around, from Transformers to Star Wars prequels to Die Hard 4.

Or, in other words, while W.B. will clearly try to continue the development of a new Supes, I doubt they are in any rush (nor should they be) the way they were to get Batman back on the big screen, Universal rushed Hulk back, ect.

The only thing I would say IS clear is that an origin film is needed; if only to make the character more interesting. Stretching a story (that films like Batman Begins, Spiderman 1, Iron Man, Superman: The movie told in their final 60-70 minutes) over the course of 2 1/2 hours makes the film DRAG, as was blatantly obvious with Superman Returns. Its uncommon among big movies like a Superman movie that an original story can really last & work over the period of 2 1/2 hours; the only recent ones that I can recall really working is TDK and Spidey 2.Just wanted to say that Casino Royale was the most successful of all the Bond films, unless you adjust for inflation then some of the early ones have it beat, and Batman Begins, while not a mega-hit, opened better than it's predeccessor (B&R) andmade a lot more in the long run. Although I wouldn't really include Bond in these proceedings as CR's precursor was still a hit to the tune of around $450 mill. There's many reasons why that franchise was revamped, financial failure of the film was not one of them.

My point? It's not as complicated or risky as some make it seem. Just make a quality film and market it properly. Of course you'll have the stink of your last outing lingering around, but if the movies really good, they will come.

[solidsnake86]

I think if they make another one, whatever it ends up being (ie. sequel, origin, routhboot) they're really gonna have to go in expecting average box office numbers, similar to returns and BB. The only way its profitable for them is to make it cheaper. I still think they shouldnt sit on it. Waiting isnt going to have a better script.

It amazes me how fast the begins script was put together. Then, when you really look at it the story's are in the comics. They just need to be pulled into one coherent story.

[Excel]

The problem with supes is telling a faithful, exciting story is absurdly expensive.

It's not as complicated or risky as some make it seem. Just make a quality film and market it properly.

If only making a quality film and marketing it was easy ;)

[dark_b]

The problem with supes is telling a faithful, exciting story is absurdly expensive.



If only making a quality film and marketing it was easy ;)more then 150 millions? this is a normal budget for todays movies.
no way do they need more money.

[terry78]

Basically the **** they did with the Matrix series could be used as a template for what should be done in a real Superman movie.

[GreenKToo]

It's obvious W.B. is in no hurry at all to make another Superman film.
My concern is, do we wait another 10+ yrs before getting another? That might be a little extreme, but I do think it will be awhile so as to give S.R. time to be (mostly) forgotten by the G.P.

[RachelDawes]

we just waited 19

You guys did, but I wasn't a Superman fan until recently so I have no experience with waiting.

I think BB3 is coming out in 2012 ? we can expect for a Superman reboot to come out only after that.

Yes, I'll have to fall back on Batman and other superheroes until the next Supes movie comes out.

[BenReilly]

You guys did, but I wasn't a Superman fan until recently so I have no experience with waiting.

Waiting goes hand in hand with being a Superman fan. Welcome to the club. :)

May I ask, how did you become a fan of the character? Anything specific? (comics, TV shows, films, etc.)

[RachelDawes]

Waiting goes hand in hand with being a Superman fan. Welcome to the club. :)

May I ask, how did you become a fan of the character? Anything specific? (comics, TV shows, films, etc.)

I first came on this site to read the Batman boards before TDK. I sort of drifted to this board and was intrigued by the conversation so I started learning bout the character. I now like him a great deal. :grin::super:

[Blackman]

My idea on where to start


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EXT. A clear shot of a huge space age looking, Jetson-esque planet. That appears to be in complete and utter chaos. Futuristic buildings are burning, while people are running around in a mass panic, a few people scream that "The end is here". The camera then shifts focus on Lara Lor-Van; a raven haired, powerful looking beauty staring painfully at the turmoil.

INT. The Lab of Jor-El and Lara Lor-Van

Lara Lor-Van

All our marvels, every thing that we have built on this planet is coming to an end.
(beat)
Why is this happening to us? No crime, no poverty, and somehow this world has to die.

Cut to: Jor-El. A black haired, tall, handsome man.

Jor-EL

We are some of the greatest minds on this world Lara, but I don't think that we will ever be able to answer that question-

Jor-El rushes to punch a code into a computer, and runs to an object, a little smaller than a Mini Cooper. Steam comes out the object as it begins to be tilted towards the sky.

Jor-El

(cont.) (still punching numbers into the computer)
The evidence was in front of them. I showed them the figures, the drawings, the hypotheses. I tried to warn them. I tried to warn everybody. The people, the council
(angrily)
but they all wrote me off as a scientist who has finally gone mad. They all waited for this moment. The moment when the great Jor-El falls. Your father crucified me in front of most of Krypton.

Lara Lor-Van

(furious)
Don't bring my father into this...Don't you dare.

Jor-El

Why not? Your father has been trying to get the Council against me ever since you and I became joined. He wanted you to marry a politician.

They both start yelling furiously at each other at the same time. We are barely able to hear their remarks at each other

Lara Lor-Van

This isn't about my father
Jor-El

Your father always tried to stop me

Lara Lor-Van

What's wrong with you?

Jor-El

What's wrong with me is that I'm going to lose my world and you

The ground starts to shake and Jor-El and Lara stumble into each others arms, fearing the worse.

(After the ground starts shaking)

Jor-El

That was the worse tremor yet. We need to hurry to get the craft ready for departure.

Lara Lor-Van

I'll go get him.

Lara runs into another room. Jor-El continues to inspect the ship to make sure that everything looks alright. Three dots on the wall that were glowing green fade. Jor-El looks at it for a second curiously, but then goes back to the inspection.

Lara runs back into the room holding something wrapped in a blanket tightly as if it means more than the death of her homeworld.
Lara Lor-Van

He hasn't even awakened yet.

Jor-El

(exhausted but smiling faintly)
Alright, put him into the ship

Lara puts the object into the ship, while Jor-El punches some more numbers into the computer. Lara looking at the ship makes a realization
Lara Lor-Van

Jor-El, there seems to be an extra space.

Jor-El

(beat)
Yes Lara, I know. I made the extra part of the ship for you. I will stay behind and start the launch. You need to go with the ship to make sure that
(struggles with the words)
"the package" stays safe. You can make sure that-

Lara Lor-Van

(interrupting)
No, I will not go without you. I love the package inside the ship more than Krypton itself
(beat)
but I cannot go a lifetime without being with you

They move closer to each other and give a long embrace. But, the ground starts shaking violently again. They both come back to reality and realize silently that they don't have much time left.

Lara Lor-Van

Are the coordinates all set up and ready?

Jor-El

Yes, we are sending him light-years away. Approximately 2.5 million light-years away.

Lara Lor-Van

What is the name of the planet?

Jor-El

(A long beat)
I'm not sure if there is even a planet at the location. I did not have the time to verify.

Lara looks like somebody ripped out her heart

Lara Lor-Van

You didn't check?! The ship could float in open space for years. What about food, water, shelter in general the ship isn't strong enough to withstand a large amount of damage

Jor-El

(sternly)
Listen, if their isn't even a small chance that the ship and the...package will live through the end of this planet, the end of Krypton life, and the end of everything
(beat)
then I will take that risk

Jor-El moves towards the ship and starts to remove wires that connect it to the ground. Lara stands letting what Jor-El just said sink in. She then proceeds to grab a insignia of an \S/ off the wall

Lara Lor-Van

(holding the insignia)
The symbol of hope

Jor-El

(still scrambling to pull out the chords)
(beat)
Hope

Lara puts the insignia inside the ship on the extra space

Jor-El

It's ready.

Jor-El closes the hatch to the ship. Lara kiss the tips of her fingers and touches the ship as if to give it a better chance. They then move towards the computer. They look at each other.Jor El places his hand over a big green button, Lara puts her hand over his; and they press the button together.

The spaceship lights up and almost instantly fires out through the opening in roof. The ship flies into the sky past all of the destruction and disarray. The ship eventually reach outerspace

CUT TO: Back on Krypton
Lara Lor Van

Good bye, Kal-ElJor-El and Lara look at each other and share one final deep kiss as the planet explodes in a bright green light. The whole screen goes white. But then focuses on the clear blue skies of the planet earth

EXT. Streets of Metropolis

LEGEND: 30 years later

Metropolis lives up to it's name. Rivaling the size of New York City. People of all different ethnicities and clothes walk through the city going about their business. But the camera is focusing on two people.

Jimmy Olsen, a fresh out of college man following after a women. Lois Lane, a young but older than Jimmy black haired women who is moving fast down the sidewalk

Jimmy Olsen

But Ms. Lane, The chief wanted us to run with the story about the college charity benefit

Lois Lane

Perry just put me on that story because I spoke back to him in the news room. Besides, it's a sorority car wash to raise money for new football uniforms. I don't need your slightly post-pubescent body going into a frenzy

Jimmy Olsen

But I'm 22, Ms. Lane

Lois Lane

Well, I'm a women so I don't give my age out that often. Only to my family and men that take me into dinner.
(beat)
and sorry but I'm not into that teacher-student affair thing

Jimmy Olsen

But, I'm not even your studentLois Lane

Yeah, you are. Stick with me kid and you'll be going places

Jimmy Olsen

Where are we going anyways?

Lois Lane

My inside source tells me that LexCorp is having a experimental weapons test.

Jimmy Olsen

(enthusiastically)
That's crazy!

Lois Lane

Crazy, Cool, Insane, Dandy,
(puts up wanna-be rapper peace sign)
dope. Whatever you want to call it. We, are, going.

Cut to: INT. LexCorp Lab

Many scientist stand around in LexCorp lab coats preparing a missle for launch

In the middle of all of it stands Lex Luthor, a late 30s/early 40s "wonderkin", who is bald as the day is long wearing a very expensive black suit. Next to him stands Mercy Graves, a bombshell dressed in all an all black dress, a black driver's hat, and who noticeably has a Glock Pistol on the side of her enticing hips.

Scientist #1

Systems are a go, sir

Lex Luthor

Excellent. Ladies and Gentlemen you are about to witness to firing of the first "Swarm Cruise Missile". The S.C.M. will make this company millions and will keep this company in the black for the next century. Not to mention it will make everyone in this room rich.

All the scientist cheer. Luthor has a huge smile on his face. Mercy keeps still, but smiles discretely.

Lex Luthor

(cont.)
And it will make me even more rich. Now, let's fire this missile

The scientist punch in numbers into their computers. The missile, about the size of a tractor trailer, shoots out into the sky. Flying towards a target buoys spread out over a body of water. After a little bit the missile breaks off into at least 20 smaller (4 foot) missiles. Most of the smaller missiles make contact with their buoys, but one of them seem to go haywire

Scientist #2

Sir, we have a problem

Cut to: INT. Metropolis Lightrail Station

Lois and Jimmy walk towards the car that is about to leave. A man tries to talk to them

Hippie

The lightrail uses poisonous gases to run. Go green and take the alternative travel method

Lois Lane

(sarcastically and waving her fist)
Woo-hoo! Go environment! Anyways, Jimmy you better hurry up we're about to miss history.

Cut to: INT. LexCorp Lab

Lex Luthor

Pull the kill switch, dammit
Scientist #3

The switch is malfunctioning sir. There is no way to stop the missile.

Scientist #4

The missile seems to be heading straight for Metropolis sir

Lex Luthor

(to himself, quietly)
Oh my god

Cut to: The missile flying through the sky heading towards Metropolis

Cut to: INT. LexCorp Lab

Lex Luthor

Clear everything out.

The scientist team looks at Luthor confused.

Scientist #1

I'm sorry, sir?

Lex Luthor

You heard what the hell I said! CLEAR OUT!!! Take all the back-up data and clear out immediately!! We can't be traced to any of this!!! This labisn't even supposed to exist here. Fry all the computers so they shut down permanently. LETS GO!!!

The scientist scramble. They burn papers, while some fill duffel bags with discs of data, and the rest upload a fail safe virus onto the computers. Mercy steps to Luthor

Mercy

Sir, I think it's best if we clear out. We are only a couple miles from Metropolis, we can make it back to the city before anybody knows.

Lex Luthor

(beat)
Right

EXT. Facility in Desert

Luthor and Mercy get into a black Rolls Royce Phantom. While the scientist hope into separate cars and they clear the area quickly; leaving no mark that they were ever there.

Cut to: INT. Lex Corp Facility
Back in the Lab, even though the computers should be fried; the same 3 green glowing dots from Krypton flash on the screen briefly

Cut to: INT. Lightrail Car

Lois sits typing on her blackberry, while Jimmy tries to talk to some girl.

Jimmy Olsen

So, see I'm a photographer for the Daily Planet and like to take shots of beautiful things. SO I thought that I should take pictures of you some time.

The girl stares at Jimmy as if he has 3 heads

Jimmy Olsen

(beat)
(thinks to himself)
I didn't mean it like that.

The girl turns away and Jimmy goes back to sit with Lois.

Lois Lane

Strike out, kid?

Jimmy stays quiet, embarrassed. A tall, dark, and handsome man walks to Lois.

Attractive Man

Hi, my name is-

Lois Lane

(interrupting)
I'm really into my job right now

The man confused stands with his mouth agape for a second before he walks away. Some women near Lois look at her in awe.

Lois Lane

(to the women)
He was alright

Jimmy Olsen

This camera is so jacked up. I can barely get any pictures with this

Lois Lane

Lemme see
(she grabs the camera, points it out the window and tries to fix it)
Don't worry kid, we'll have you taking Facebook pictures again in no time

A eerie look of fear, crosses over Lois' face

Lois Lane(cont.)

What's that?

Jimmy moves to look out of the window and sees what Lois sees. The LexCorp missile heading towards their location.

Cut To: The missile at full speed moving towards the Lightrail

Cut Back to: INT. Lightrail car

Jimmy Olsen

(screaming)
Oh no!

People in the car look out, see the same thing, and immediately start going into a panic. The train driver tries to apply the brakes, but that only slows the car down slightly.

The missile makes impact with the lightrail track, in front of where the car is. Windows shatter and people on the stree panic. The rail car only has a little amount of room before it falls onto the streets of Metropolis.

Everybody on the Lightrail scream. Lois keeps her cool, but closes her eyes and quietly excepts her fate. The car dips vertically.

Just as the lightrail car goes overboard, it stops in mid-air. Lois opens her eyes, one at a time to see if all of this is real. People in the car are dead silent, as the car slowly and gently drops on the road. The car is then turned back horizontally and is laid down.

All the passengers stand up, Jimmy slaps himself to make sure he's not dreaming. Then 2 hands poke into the doors of the lightrail car and tears them like paper.

EXT. METROPOLIS LIGHT RAIL WRECK SITE

The passengers all step out in awe. People all around gather to see. Jimmy helps Lois out of the car. Nobody says anything they all look at their savior.

A man, black hair dressed in blue tights and a red cape stands on the road, quietly surveying the damage. Nobody moves out of fear, Jimmy is the only person able to move his arms to take a picture.

The caped figure looks up and slowly levitates into the sky.

Title. SUPERMAN REBIRTH

---------------------------

The story plays out from there

[Kal-El Fan]

^ Not bad. The dialogue needs to be worked on a bit, IMHO, especially with Luthor's "speech," but overall very cool idea. I would prefer that Jor-El at least know that there is a planet where he is sending Kal-El. I like the emotional atmosphere that you are trying to create, which prompts Lara to put the "S" shield in the rocket, but perhaps it would be better if Earth was the best choice, but Jor-El is unsure if the rocket will make it. I think you can acheive the same results without making Jor-El look "foolish" (for lack of a better word). I like how they fight like a real married couple before launching the rocket, nice touch. As I said, overall very good, a nice intro for our hero, and I think many people will like that you didn't start with the "traditional" telling of the origin. :super:

[Blackman]

Thanks for the feedback.

Exactly what was bad about the dialogue and which parts (besides Luthor speech) were particularly bad. Was Lois over the top?

[Sam]

I...I don't know if I can take a five year wait. :csad:

u r waiting 3 years already. 2 more goes very fast. :)

[Kal-El Fan]

Thanks for the feedback.

Exactly what was bad about the dialogue and which parts (besides Luthor speech) were particularly bad. Was Lois over the top?

I think it's just the way you had Luthor say what he was saying. It sounded kind of simplistic/2-dimensional?? I'm not the best at dialogue myself, so I can't really give much help, other than to say that it sounded off. I personally love the way Lex was written for Smallville, especially early on. Perhaps think of that kind of voice for the character.

Lois was OK. The only "bad" parts of the dialogue is when you attempt sarcasm in her responses to Jimmy and the hippie. I think it fits, it just needs to be reworded/refined, that's all. I wish I could be more helpful and actually suggest dialogue, but I'm an artist, not a writer. :cwink:

[X-Maniac]

I popped in to see if there was any excitement, gossip, rumour or speculation...



http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/8160/tumbleweed.jpg

[FlawlessVictory]

u r waiting 3 years already. 2 more goes very fast. :)

No, the discussion was five years starting now. 2014 being the earliest we would get a Superman movie.

[GreenKToo]

I have to agree. We've had no rumors, no news, no nothing. That doesnt bode well for Superman.
With G.L. we had tons of rumors beforehand.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I popped in to see if there was any excitement, gossip, rumour or speculation...



http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/8160/tumbleweed.jpg:csad:

[Crook]

I find it ironic the first and most recognized superhero is quite simply absent from the Golden-Age of comic book film adaptations. :funny:

[I SEE SPIDEY]

^It's both funny and sad. I really wish I (most people) could have gotten behind the last flick but alas, it wasn't meant to be.

I've atleast semi liked alot of comicbook movies that have come out so my distaste of SR is pretty shocking. Even after all my b**ching about the first two X-films I can say I actually think that they were fun, alright to pretty decent movies. I just don't know what happened with this one.

[markstrange]

I think that once DC truly takes over the Superman project it will be unlike anything we have ever seen. I have full confidence in them. They gave us the characters after all. Superman and Batman are their babies they will take care of them. I love a good origin, I find more then anything, it’s the most interesting part of each hero or villain‘s story.

[RachelDawes]

u r waiting 3 years already. 2 more goes very fast. :)

I've actually only been since after TDK, so that's less than a year. I'm a Superman lightweight who needs to train herself in the art of patience, I know.

[El Payaso]

I think if they make another one, whatever it ends up being (ie. sequel, origin, routhboot) they're really gonna have to go in expecting average box office numbers, similar to returns and BB. The only way its profitable for them is to make it cheaper. I still think they shouldnt sit on it. Waiting isnt going to have a better script.

True. You can always expect for a financial success but you can't count that it's going to happen, cuz not even Hollywwod people can tell when it's going to happen. You gotta be careful with the money.

It amazes me how fast the begins script was put together.

No surprise there. I'm actually amazed how some of the dialogue in BB got to the final draft.

Then, when you really look at it the story's are in the comics. They just need to be pulled into one coherent story.

I think that's way easier to say than to do.

[SuperDaniel]

Edit

[I SEE SPIDEY]

True. You can always expect for a financial success but you can't count that it's going to happen, cuz not even Hollywwod people can tell when it's going to happen. You gotta be careful with the money.



No surprise there. I'm actually amazed how some of the dialogue in BB got to the final draft.



I think that's way easier to say than to do.:funny: Preach it brotha! lol

[Webhead2006]

sounds good black.

[Double Down]

For anyone who doesn't have it yet, The Superman Ultimate Collector's Edition (Superman - The Movie / Superman II / Superman II - The Richard Donner Cut / Superman III / Superman IV - The Quest for Peace / Superman Returns) is $45.99 today only at Amazon (it's the site's deal of the day). Tomorrow, the price will go back up to $99.98.

http://www.amazon.com/Superman-Ultimate-Collectors-Richard-Returns/dp/B000P6XQ50/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1240503603&sr=1-6

[Webhead2006]

What a nice deal for all films, wish i had some money to get it. I sucks when these box sets for film series/tv shows are huge prices.

[Double Down]

I already bought it or I would be all over it. $45 is such a great deal for all you get in those sets (and it is a LOT more than just the movies themselves).

[Superark]

I already bought it or I would be all over it. $45 is such a great deal for all you get in those sets (and it is a LOT more than just the movies themselves).


That is an awesome deal! I mean a true steal! But I already own all of the Superman films so I have no reason to buy it. Plus I'm getting ready to buy a new car so I dont want to spend ANY money now.

Thanks for the cool tip though Double! :up:

[Mostpowerful]

For anyone who doesn't have it yet, The Superman Ultimate Collector's Edition (Superman - The Movie / Superman II / Superman II - The Richard Donner Cut / Superman III / Superman IV - The Quest for Peace / Superman Returns) is $45.99 today only at Amazon (it's the site's deal of the day). Tomorrow, the price will go back up to $99.98.

http://www.amazon.com/Superman-Ultimate-Collectors-Richard-Returns/dp/B000P6XQ50/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1240503603&sr=1-6


The boxed set suddenly jumped all the way up to #23 on Amazon.com's sales rank! :grin: :supes:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/dvd/ref=pd_dp_ts_d_1



Amazon.com Sales Rank: #23 in Movies & TV

[Superark]

So any news or rumblings about this project yet?

[GreenKToo]

Project? what project? lol.:(

[Webhead2006]

Yea superman isnt moving anywhere at this time from what we know. Its more and more likely going to be another long haul for us.:(

[dark_b]

this is not fun anymore. there is more news on batman 3 and a daredevil reboot :)

[Webhead2006]

Yea only things from dc we got to look forward to right now is hex which is filming, gl in pre production, and if losers starts up any time soon. Supes with the way its been a problem with where they want to take the character next time is so darn conflicted and all that. Sucks its such a big problem to get it off the ground again.

[GreenKToo]

this is not fun anymore. there is more news on batman 3 and a daredevil reboot :)
Their rebooting DD? Awesome, *IF* they get a good director that is.

[dark_b]

in the podcast of http://www.thinkmcflythink.com/ it was mentioned that Gore Verbinski was in the running to direct the superman sequel.

[GreenKToo]

in the podcast of http://www.thinkmcflythink.com/ it was mentioned that Gore Verbinski was in the running to direct the superman sequel.
Oh my:wow:....seems I remember a certain someone here talking about that possibility last yr.
good job showy.

[FlawlessVictory]

Their rebooting DD? Awesome, *IF* they get a good director that is.

Can't agree with your awesome. DD needs to move away from Fox and be under control of Marvel Studios. I can't get too excited so long as hear Fox is still involved.

[GreenKToo]

Can't agree with your awesome. DD needs to move away from Fox and be under control of Marvel Studios. I can't get too excited so long as hear Fox is still involved.
Ulp, your right. Its fox isnt it...nevermind then, i'll change my
AWESOME :wow: to :whatever: lol

[dark_b]

Ulp, your right. Its fox isnt it...nevermind then, i'll change my
AWESOME :wow: to :whatever: lolthere are some rumors that FOX will do the reboot only to hold on the rights.
:cwink:

[GreenKToo]

there are some rumors that FOX will do the reboot only to hold on the rights.
:cwink:
Oh crap. sounds like another punisher war zone type of thing then or DB E...:cmad:

[FilmNerdJamie]

in the podcast of http://www.thinkmcflythink.com/ it was mentioned that Gore Verbinski was in the running to direct the superman sequel.

http://i688.photobucket.com/albums/vv243/FilmNerdJamie/Lassie.jpg

What's that, Lassie? You said this (http://thinkmcflythink.squarespace.com/storage/Movie%20Moan%20-%20To%20Boldly%20Go%20Off-Topic.mp3) is the direct link to the podcast? And it's called Movie Moan?

[Webhead2006]

yea i rather hope marvel can retain the rights back to DD so then they can make a better(hopefully) film then the other. I am not knocking it out fully there was some good things in it, and the DC version was a bit better.

[Ultimate_Superman]

I has been a while since I have been to the Hype but now that I see that there is no news I guess it will be a while before I come back.


On a side note Webhead2006 not to be rude but do you have a thought of your own? I mean everything I see you post it is never your opinion but you always agreeing with people. I mean you know you do flip flop in what you say because you always agree with people?

[FilmNerdJamie]

He hasn't been the same ever since Save Superman was so successful they couldn't afford to keep going on their old site. Instead being forced to move to a free blogspot.

I know...a shock.

[Superark]

I has been a while since I have been to the Hype but now that I see that there is no news I guess it will be a while before I come back.


On a side note Webhead2006 not to be rude but do you have a thought of your own? I mean everything I see you post it is never your opinion but you always agreeing with people. I mean you know you do flip flop in what you say because you always agree with people?

He hasn't been the same ever since Save Superman was so successful they couldn't afford to keep going on their old site. Instead being forced to move to a free blogspot.

I know...a shock.

:lmao:

[GreenKToo]

:meanie: (thats funny rite thar, I dont care who u r):bomb:

[dark_b]

http://i688.photobucket.com/albums/vv243/FilmNerdJamie/Lassie.jpg

What's that, Lassie? You said this (http://thinkmcflythink.squarespace.com/storage/Movie%20Moan%20-%20To%20Boldly%20Go%20Off-Topic.mp3) is the direct link to the podcast? And it's called Movie Moan?did i do somethin wrong?

this is you in Movie Moan? i always forget the names

[Showtime]

did i do somethin wrong?

this is you in Movie Moan? i always forget the names

No No. You are fine DB. Jamie was just taking the opportunity to display the link.

[FilmNerdJamie]

Me = Whore.

[GreenKToo]

Ho'.

[dark_b]

there is no new rumors about superman. not one. the last news was the bizzaro script right?

some studio should just make a movie about a guy who has superman powers and should give him a cape. and a different name. i dont care if hes name is Speedy Gonzales.

[GreenKToo]

there is no new rumors about superman. not one. the last news was the bizzaro script right?

some studio should just make a movie about a guy who has superman powers and should give him a cape. and a different name. i dont care if hes name is Speedy Gonzales.
Will Smith just starred in that...:oldrazz:

[dark_b]

Will Smith just starred in that...:oldrazz:no not just a guy with similar powers. make a superman copy. i want a good superman movie.

that doesnt mean that hes name needs to be superman :hehe::oldrazz:

[GreenKToo]

You and me both bro...Hopefully G.L. will do well and light a fire under W.B.'s a$$ .
( of course, we said the same thing regarding TDK )

[dark_b]

i hope that the GL movie will be good.

good comicbook movies can only be something positive.........right? :)

[GreenKToo]

i hope that the GL movie will be good.

good comicbook movies can only be something positive.........right? :)
I sure thought so after TDK's killer B.O.
I think all it really did was make W.B. slow down and evaluate things.

If you would have told me 6 months ago that 6 months from then all we would know for sure is Jonah Hex and G.L. films were in the works, i'd have laughed at you.

[SuperDaniel]

Whats to evaluate? Really, the secret is just study the comics and make a good, original and entertaining story out of the best themes from it.

That's all Nolan did and all that we ask.

The DC comics vault is already there for people to look and study. They are just too goddamn lazy and care only about the money. They don't know MONEY is a consequence, not a goal.

[sdc10]

I sure thought so after TDK's killer B.O.
I think all it really did was make W.B. slow down and evaluate things.

If you would have told me 6 months ago that 6 months from then all we would know for sure is Jonah Hex and G.L. films were in the works, i'd have laughed at you.

I know im probably gonna get ridiculed for saying this but Ive been wondering aside from Batman, Superman, and Green Lantern. What other DC character do you see translating to the screen in a successful way? I mean Batman movies write themselves I mean he arguably has the best villains in comics, Superman is Superman (when done correctly, Singer!:hehe:) and GL can also be awesome if done correctly. But like I cant see like the Flash getting a 2 hr film because he runs fast....ok what then? Aquaman talks to fish. So WB has to first prove to me they can do these movies correctly before they start spitting them out.

[SuperDaniel]

I'm sure Aquaman and Flash would make great movies. Aquaman has all these Atlantis, ocean, environment stories, so relevant to the world nowadays. As far as I remember, the Litte Marmaid, Finding Nemo and Titatic were very sucessful movies. They just need to find the right approach for them. Even Captain Marvel would make a good one too.

[GreenKToo]

Flash using the whole speed force arc, could easily be made into 2 films *IF* done right.

W.W. could be the same. Again, the right director would make or break it.

I even think a M.M. film would be good if (there's that word again) it's done correctly.

[Showtime]

Superman Guys. Superman.

[SuperDaniel]

Superman's dead. :(

[Nightwing1977]

Me = Whore.

Hopefully you're not the media whore type though. :oldrazz:

Superman's dead. :(

Not really. Kal-L is dead actually. Now he is a Black Lantern . Shocking, huh? :D http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/59.gif

[Alex Logan]

Superman's dead. :(

You take that back rignt now!

[El Payaso]

You take the back rignt now!

By time reversing or amnesia kissing? :joker:

[Alex Logan]

By time reversing or amnesia kissing? :joker:

Good quesion... Just by the username I'd guess the sex of the user to be male, so no kissing.

:woot:

[El Payaso]

Good quesion... Just by the username I'd guess the sex of the user to be male, so no kissing.

:woot:

But it's Superman we're talking about here! You take that back. :cmad:

[BATZARRO WWD]

Without straying too far away from Superman, I think different kinds of heros have different kinds of movies that would suit them. Some require some more comedy, some require brooding, and ALL require to be interesting in the first place.

[dark_b]

how can we post links from from http://www.thinkmcflythink.com/?


i would like Rose Byrne for lois lane. but it looks like they want her now for GL.

[GreenKToo]

HeH. We aim to please. If you want news on any CB film other than Superman, just come to our forum. :D

[Double Down]

how can we post links from from http://www.thinkmcflythink.com/? (http://www.thinkmcflythink.com/?)


i would like Rose Byrne for lois lane. but it looks like they want her now for GL.


Right click on the story's headline and scroll down to "copy shortcut." It will look like this:
http://thinkmcflythink.squarespace.com/movie-news/2009/5/1/tmt-exclusive-rose-byrne-up-for-carol-ferris.html


You can also turn it into a tiny url if you prefer, which I did for my Dead of Night interview, and it looked like this:
www.tinyurl.com/deadofnight (http://www.tinyurl.com/deadofnight)

[jak123]

how can we post links from from http://www.thinkmcflythink.com/?


i would like Rose Byrne for lois lane. but it looks like they want her now for GL.


Damn, I wanted her for Lois.

[Ita-KalEl]

I'm quite sure that Wolverine will be a success. IMO it's a good thing that a comicbook character (of a regular series) wins over a graphicnovel (Watchmen).

[DavidTyler]

All that good talk about 'reintroducing Superman' is about 6 months old now....

Nothing has happened and no news has come out to suggest that anything IS happening.

Is it possible that this project is on permanent hold?

[dark_b]

All that good talk about 'reintroducing Superman' is about 6 months old now....

Nothing has happened and no news has come out to suggest that anything IS happening.

Is it possible that this project is on permanent hold?you think :hehe:

WB has now harry potter. they are making GL. and batman 3 .


where fits superman in this?

[mjbull23]

I used to think this was the year WB would announce something....

Now, I'm changing my mind and I'm saying that WB isn't going to announce anything until they have a story they want to go with. Which could mean an indefinite period of time, could be this year, could be next year, could be even longer.

[El Payaso]

you think :hehe:

WB has now harry potter. they are making GL. and batman 3 .


where fits superman in this?

He's another DC character to be taken to the big screen. :)

[Showtime]

I'm quite sure that Wolverine will be a success. IMO it's a good thing that a comicbook character (of a regular series) wins over a graphicnovel (Watchmen).

Opening weekend will be big then it will drop big from WOM.

[sdc10]

I just hope that WB doesnt feel pressure from all the marvel films that are coming out in the next few years and then starts just rushing out films. I think they are taking there time with Supes cause the next film will probably either make or break him in terms of movies.

[dark_b]

i think that if they take time that this doesnt mean that it will automatic be a good movie. sometiems you need 2 years for a good script sometimes not.

what i am afraid is that they will writte so many scripts that they will get confused. and then they will use the worst script.

[Ita-KalEl]

I used to think this was the year WB would announce something....

Now, I'm changing my mind and I'm saying that WB isn't going to announce anything until they have a story they want to go with. Which could mean an indefinite period of time, could be this year, could be next year, could be even longer.

I agree. They start to talk seriously about Superman only when they smell that a Batman franchise is near to the end. They did it in 1997/1998, they'll do it in the future. If Nolan's franchise is a trilogy, we can see something concrete about superman for 2012-2013 not before.

[Ita-KalEl]

Opening weekend will be big then it will drop big from WOM.

With the exception of Batman and maybe Iron Man, all the recent sh movies are frontloaded. The point is that a big opening weekend+a big drop (X-Men) is better than a poor opening weekend+big drop (Watchmen)

[Showtime]

With the exception of Batman and maybe Iron Man, all the recent sh movies are frontloaded. The point is that a big opening weekend+a big drop (X-Men) is better than a poor opening weekend+big drop (Watchmen)

Definitely better, but Wolverine isn't going to even hit 200 Million Domestic. I really can't personally compare Wolverine to Watchmen. Watchmen was a hard R that was released in the Spring, Wolverine is a PG 13 Summer popcorn flick.

[dark_b]

yeah. its just different. wolverine opened on may 1. PG13 . hugh jackman. wolverine origin took no risk. it was such a save movie.
not like IM,TDK or watchmen. they took some risks. IM not so much but just a little.

[Canis Sapiens]

yeah. its just different. wolverine opened on may 1. PG13 . hugh jackman. wolverine origin took no risk. it was such a save movie.

Yeah, a lot of people saved it in their computers...:hehe:

[Mostpowerful]

yeah. its just different. wolverine opened on may 1. PG13 . hugh jackman. wolverine origin took no risk. it was such a save movie.
not like IM,TDK or watchmen. they took some risks. IM not so much but just a little.

IM was a very safe movie. Plus it was marketted very well.

[GreenKToo]

All that good talk about 'reintroducing Superman' is about 6 months old now....

Nothing has happened and no news has come out to suggest that anything IS happening.

Is it possible that this project is on permanent hold?

you think :hehe:

WB has now harry potter. they are making GL. and batman 3 .


where fits superman in this?

I used to think this was the year WB would announce something....

Now, I'm changing my mind and I'm saying that WB isn't going to announce anything until they have a story they want to go with. Which could mean an indefinite period of time, could be this year, could be next year, could be even longer.
Untill its proven otherwise, imo I dont think we'll being seeing Superman again for a while.
If they had ANYTHING up their sleeve I think we would have heard tidbits here and there from them to sorta test the waters. Instead, all we've gotten is silence from them, and that says it all for me.

[sdc10]

IM was a very safe movie. Plus it was marketted very well.

But you also cant forget the fact that IM was just a flat out good movie. It was very good enough for the mainstream audience to enjoy while at the same time having enough references to the book to appeal to the comic fans.

[Ita-KalEl]

It seems that despite all SR had the effect of B&R...

[dark_b]

i think if there was no HObbit,harry potter,terminator,batman 3,GL then superman would be realesed in the next 2 years.

[evilskillz]

But you also cant forget the fact that IM was just a flat out good movie. It was very good enough for the mainstream audience to enjoy while at the same time having enough references to the book to appeal to the comic fans.


I really don't think it's a great movie. I lost interest half way through it. IM is not in the class of great superhero flicks, defiinitely a notch below. Recent movies much better than IM:

The Dark Knight
Batman Begins
X men
X men 2
Spiderman
Spiderman 2

For some reason it got a great reaction from the general public. I think they made it a fun character which appealed to people.

[Antonello Blueberry]

Untill its proven otherwise, imo I dont think we'll being seeing Superman again for a while.
If they had ANYTHING up their sleeve I think we would have heard tidbits here and there from them to sorta test the waters. Instead, all we've gotten is silence from them, and that says it all for me.
All this forgetting that a new Superman movie was listed as in development in the Legendary web site.

[Mostpowerful]

But you also cant forget the fact that IM was just a flat out good movie. It was very good enough for the mainstream audience to enjoy while at the same time having enough references to the book to appeal to the comic fans.

I'm not forgetting anything. I wasn't even talking about its quality. Go back and read my reply again...

And I liked IM.

[sdc10]

I really don't think it's a great movie. I lost interest half way through it. IM is not in the class of great superhero flicks, defiinitely a notch below. Recent movies much better than IM:

The Dark Knight
Batman Begins
X men
X men 2
Spiderman
Spiderman 2

For some reason it got a great reaction from the general public. I think they made it a fun character which appealed to people.

Well i couldnt disagree with you more, imo IM is one of the best adaptations of a comic book character.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

lol I disagree with that too as no X-men movie is nowhere near my favorite anything (sadly it doesn't look like they will be rebooting anytime soon). And Iron Man easily over Batman Begins.

[Kal-El Fan]

All this forgetting that a new Superman movie was listed as in development in the Legendary web site.
^Are forgetting Superman Lives? It was also in development, and even into pre-production before it was finally killed. A blurb from a "secret" part of Legendary's web site that has since been taken down means nothing. No offense, just sayin'.

[sdc10]

lol I disagree with that too as no X-men movie is nowhere near my favorite anything (sadly it doesn't look like they will be rebooting anytime soon). And Iron Man easily over Batman Begins.

Dont get me wrong I loved X2, but saying that IM was not that good is just wrong imo

[Mostpowerful]

Dont get me wrong I loved X2, but saying that IM was not that good is just wrong imo

Actually, it is all personal opinion.

[Ita-KalEl]

All this forgetting that a new Superman movie was listed as in development in the Legendary web site.

The sad thing is that a Superman sequel isn't listed anymore...

[El Payaso]

Well i couldnt disagree with you more, imo IM is one of the best adaptations of a comic book character.

Call it Robert Downey Jr or whatever but yes, Iron Man ended up being a very good and effective movie. Oh and I prefer it over Spiderman 1 easily. I'd agree that The Incredible Hulk was, on the other hand, a safe movie that had a correct but to me insufficient development.

[Ita-KalEl]

Today the franchise is where it was after "Superman IV".
There is an actor who can reprise the role, but noone wants to face the risk to invest on a character that can be considered "uncool" (1985-1995 was the period of the dark and violent heroes like Spawn, the Punisher etc.) by a part of the public.It's not a coincidence that at WB they decide to make another Superman movie after the success of "The Death of Superman". They clearly thought that it was the right story to appeal to the masses.

Another weakness of Superman is the "source material". If you want to relaunch Batman, you know what to do: use the Frank Miller's material.
With Superman? Man of Steel and Birthright weren't the canoned origin story for Superman anymore, and the most successful Superman comicbook is still the "Death of Superman".

I don't think that at WB there'll be an exec brave enough to greenlit a new Superman movie.

[Lighthouse]

Man, I really hope Dougherty isn't attached to Superman again. I like Dougherty, and I'm really looking forward to seeing Trick 'R Treat(wish I could have seen it in theaters), but the thought of going back to that storyline again just frightens me.

[Antonello Blueberry]

The sad thing is that a Superman sequel isn't listed anymore...
They have just four movies listed in development on the new site; there were a dozen listed in the reserved area and for some of them we know they're still being developed.
http://alexlitel.blogspot.com/2009/02/electric-stories-that-will-surely-blow.html

[dark_b]

ha ha this will get interesting.
http://thinkmcflythink.squarespace.com/movie-news/2009/5/4/mike-dougherty-two-announcements-are-coming.html

let the bashing begin :hehe:

[Ita-KalEl]

ha ha this will get interesting.
http://thinkmcflythink.squarespace.com/movie-news/2009/5/4/mike-dougherty-two-announcements-are-coming.html

let the bashing begin :hehe:

It will not be superman...

[BATZARRO WWD]

But he says he loves pun stuff. So, more likely than not it'd be along the lines of them announcing a Nina Sky movie.

[sdc10]

Today the franchise is where it was after "Superman IV".
There is an actor who can reprise the role, but noone wants to face the risk to invest on a character that can be considered "uncool" (1985-1995 was the period of the dark and violent heroes like Spawn, the Punisher etc.) by a part of the public.It's not a coincidence that at WB they decide to make another Superman movie after the success of "The Death of Superman". They clearly thought that it was the right story to appeal to the masses.

Another weakness of Superman is the "source material". If you want to relaunch Batman, you know what to do: use the Frank Miller's material.
With Superman? Man of Steel and Birthright weren't the canoned origin story for Superman anymore, and the most successful Superman comicbook is still the "Death of Superman".

I don't think that at WB there'll be an exec brave enough to greenlit a new Superman movie.

All SR proved was that people did not enjoy boring superhero movies. This was proved by the first Hulk. I dont care what anyone says IM proved that if the movie is genuinely good people will go to see it.

[GreenKToo]

ha ha this will get interesting.
http://thinkmcflythink.squarespace.com/movie-news/2009/5/4/mike-dougherty-two-announcements-are-coming.html

let the bashing begin :hehe:
My excitement would be null and void.
It will not be superman...
I hope not. THAT would NOT be a fresh start at all.

[nintendo nerd]

All SR proved was that people did not enjoy boring superhero movies. This was proved by the first Hulk. I dont care what anyone says IM proved that if the movie is genuinely good people will go to see it.

Yeah, Thank God the Hulk reboot was a huge success. :whatever:

[FilmNerdJamie]

The sad thing is that a Superman sequel isn't listed anymore...

Neither is Batman III. So I guess that means that isn't happening either? :huh:

[FlawlessVictory]

It will not be superman...

It won't be Superman related but he is obviously trying to generate interest and grab people's attention by making a comment like that.

[GreenKToo]

Neither is Batman III. So I guess that means that isn't happening either? :huh:
Just playing devil's advocate here and I know your privy to things that we're not, BUT from my (a fans) perspective, I think they have no doubt about Batman's ability to draw in a huge B.O., Superman not so much, hence the (perceived) indecision and lack of news.
Again, I have no idea whats going on and it could very well be announced today, tomorrow, or next week.

[Double Down]

It won't be Superman related but he is obviously trying to generate interest and grab people's attention by making a comment like that.

I don't think that's necessarily true. He made the statement on his MySpace blog, not in a place where very many people would see it.
I subscribe to his blog and reposted it here. Otherwise, no one really would have seen it. In fact, he posted it April 21 and I didn't go on MySpace until May 2, when I reposted it. After that, it started popping up in a few other places, but it wasn't reposted anywhere between April 21 and May 2.
My point is that he really wasn't trying to make a splash with his post. If he was, he would have done it in a place that would have gotten more exposure for it.

[Superark]

I'd be pretty shocked if Dougherty came back. I mean why would he be brought back but not Singer? And wasnt Dougherty and Harris the first ones to walk/let go from Superman

[Showtime]

We also have to keep in mind that Comic Con isn't just for comic book flicks anymore. For all we know Dougherty could be doing Flyboys 2: Airborne

[El Payaso]

All SR proved was that people did not enjoy boring superhero movies. This was proved by the first Hulk. I dont care what anyone says IM proved that if the movie is genuinely good people will go to see it.

Yeah, that's why TIH made strong $263,427,551 against Hulk's weak $245,360,480. And of course the sequel's news are all around. And btw, where's the Incredible Hulk section at the SHH? Buried under so much hype I assume. :)

[Mostpowerful]

I think they have no doubt about Batman's ability to draw in a huge B.O., Superman not so much, hence the (perceived) indecision and lack of news.
.

I don't see it that way. If SR-- a character-driven Superman movie without superfights- made the money it did (pretty solid), imagine what an action-driven Superman film could make. I think they are just waiting for the right story-- which is the real problem, imo; they are incompetent. They don't know how to develop these properties. I mean just read my sig.

And they have the DC archives and staff to support them..

[FlawlessVictory]

I don't see it that way. If SR-- a character-driven Superman movie without superfights- made the money it did (pretty solid), imagine what an action-driven Superman film could make. I think they are just waiting for the right story-- which is the real problem, imo; they are incompetent. They don't know how to develop these properties. I mean just read my sig.

And they have the DC archives and staff to support them..

Yes, the DC archives and staff that if Singer had consulted, we wouldn't be in this mess. But Singer was more interested in kissing Donner's fanny and as a result we are left now in the state that we are in.

[Ita-KalEl]

I have nothing against Dougherty. X2 is still one of the best sh movie of this generation. But at this point a direct sequel to SR (with the kid etc.) is useless.

Nevertheless if he has a great idea to relaunch Superman, he is welcome.

[GreenKToo]

I don't see it that way. If SR-- a character-driven Superman movie without superfights- made the money it did (pretty solid), imagine what an action-driven Superman film could make. I think they are just waiting for the right story-- which is the real problem, imo; they are incompetent. They don't know how to develop these properties. I mean just read my sig.

And they have the DC archives and staff to support them..
I dont disagree at all with you. They seem to be paralyzed about what to do, or even worse, maybe they just dont care at all.
Yes, the DC archives and staff that if Singer had consulted, we wouldn't be in this mess. But Singer was more interested in kissing Donner's fanny and as a result we are left now in the state that we are in.
He overdid the references to S:TM imo. One or two nods to it would have been great. Instead, S.R. got whiplash with all the nodding it did to Donner's take.
That said, to be fair the fans didnt want Burton's, ratner's, abram's, or McG's version either...

[dark_b]

He overdid the references to S:TM imo. One or two nods to it would have been great. Instead, S.R. got whiplash with all the nodding it did to Donner's take.
That said, to be fair the fans didnt want Burton's, ratner's, abram's, or McG's version either...when he is on the plane and starts the ''the safest way to travel'' i knew that we were in trouble. and it didnt stop. it couldnt. it was going on and oooooooooon and oooooooooooon.

[GreenKToo]

when he is on the plane and starts the ''the safest way to travel'' i knew that we were in trouble. and it didnt stop. it couldnt. it was going on and oooooooooon and oooooooooooon.
When Lois fainted (again) thats when I knew it.
Still tho, I could have forgiven all that if we would have got a supervillain.

[dark_b]

When Lois fainted (again) thats when I knew it.
Still tho, I could have forgiven all that if we would have got a supervillain.
no matter how good the movie would be i would never forgive them . i saw a lot of movies with a lot of ''homages''. but SR went over the line. it was just to much.
to some people saying that Singer was kissing Donners ass is maybe an insult. but i think he really was.


ok no more SR bashing. the old writters will not come back.

[GreenKToo]

The thing is tho we have nothing, ABSOLUTELY nothing new to talk about in here.
We've talked till we're blue in the face about what we want and expect in the next film.

Having patience is one thing but this is getting rediculous lol

[terry78]

You know what...at this point, I would prefer them to do some homages to the 1930s Fleshier era and have him bust up a giant robot or some **** like that.

[GreenKToo]

That would be fine by me. Just take it all back to the 1930's....

[markstrange]

YES! I hated Superman Returns, this is good news I hope in the end it doesn't disappoint.

[GreenKToo]

You hope what doesnt disappoint?

[sdc10]

Yeah, Thank God the Hulk reboot was a huge success. :whatever:

Well Marvel is looking at the film as being successful, unlike WB who feels that SR shouldve made hundreds of millions of dollars more than it did. Plus the Hulk will most likely be appearing in a film sometime in the next decade. Which is more than we can say now for Supes.

[dark_b]

Well Marvel is looking at the film as being successful, unlike WB who feels that SR shouldve made hundreds of millions of dollars more than it did. Plus the Hulk will most likely be appearing in a film sometime in the next decade. Which is more than we can say now for Supes.
if a movie is very successful to the studio then after 1 year you hear news about the sequel.
it is what it is. could be that Norton doesnt want to come back.

[Dark Knight]

WB's just needs to suck it up and hire JJ Abrams to direct the next Supes film. JJ's Star Trek looks awesome! Just have JJ keep Routh.

The story should be done by Abrams and Geoff Johns and the screenplay done by Orci and Kurtzman.

Update the FLYBY script by adding Braniac and his creepy robots. Make Luthor a corporate mogul. Lets see Superman get pissed and be in some super fights and action scenes which we have never seen before in a Superman film.

WB's should just go with that team and have confidence in it and don't look back.

[Eros]

WB's just needs to suck it up and hire JJ Abrams to direct the next Supes film. JJ's Star Trek looks awesome! Just have JJ keep Routh.

The story should be done by Abrams and Geoff Johns and the screenplay done by Orci and Kurtzman.

Update the FLYBY script by adding Braniac and his creepy robots. Make Luthor a corporate mogul. Lets see Superman get pissed and be in some super fights and action scenes which we have never seen before in a Superman film.

WB's should just go with that team and have confidence in it and don't look back.

Dude get over it, Abrams ideas about superman was a complete disgrace.

[Showtime]

Well Marvel is looking at the film as being successful, unlike WB who feels that SR shouldve made hundreds of millions of dollars more than it did. Plus the Hulk will most likely be appearing in a film sometime in the next decade. Which is more than we can say now for Supes.

What else are they going to say? TIH only made about 2 Million more domestic then Hulk. That is without inflation. TIH will not be getting a sequel, proof is in the pudding.

[dark_b]

no studio will say that the movie didnt make enough money.

well maybe WB '' it didnt position superman like we wanted'' or something similar.

give me action WB :)

[GreenKToo]

Maybe so, but a few tweaks here and there (fix the non-exploding Krypton, and kryptonarian Lex) and I think he could ( and prolly would have did) a good job.

IMO, if Abrams would have gotten the chance, I wouldnt be at all surprised if by now we would probably be talking about the production of his Superman III, instead of the limbo land we're now in.....Of course we will never know that for sure.

[FilmNerdJamie]

What part about Abrams being contractually committed to Paramount for the next five years don't people understand? :huh:

[dark_b]

What part about Abrams being contractually committed to Paramount for the next five years don't people understand? :huh:5 years?
is this smart? so this means that for 5 years he can only make movies for paramount

[GreenKToo]

I get it, but it still doesnt stop me from thinking about what might of been.

[SuperDaniel]

It would've sucked. Thank god he wasn't and won't be involved with the next Superman movie.

[GreenKToo]

maybe ,maybe not. The non-exploding Krypton and Kryptonarian Lex were supposedly taken out.
Anyway, I doubt it would have been any worse than what we got with Singer.

[Dark Knight]

Dude get over it, Abrams ideas about superman was a complete disgrace.



I said an UPDATED version of the FLYBY story with Geoff Johns being involved in the writing of the revised story or script.

[Dark Knight]

What part about Abrams being contractually committed to Paramount for the next five years don't people understand? :huh:



I didn't know that.

It's okay though since the next Superman film won't start pre production for another 5 freakin years anyway! :oldrazz:

[Dark Knight]

Anyway, I doubt it would have been any worse than what we got with Singer.



Exactly! :up:

[Ita-KalEl]

Quentin Tarantino reveals his love of Bryan Singer's Superman Returns
By David Bentley on May 4, 09 03:13 PM

Quentin Tarantino.jpgBRYAN SINGER'S 2006 Superman Returns was a film that ended up polarising the fan base, underperforming at the box office and paralysing the Superman franchise into a state of uncertainty.

But the movie has at least one major fan - and it's the filmmaker Quentin Tarantino.

Tarantino has revealed that he would give a best director award to Singer for his work on the film, which paid homage to the earlier Superman movies by Richard Donner but introduced controversial new elements like Superman's son and a new partner for Lois Lane.

Speaking to the New York Times, Tarantino said: "There was one year when I visited Cannes, and I was so caught up in the spirit that I picked 12 movies that I had never seen from all different countries and I watched them and did my own little awards thing.

He continued: "Can I tell you the movie that won? Perfume by Tom Tykwer. Perfume won my own little Cannes Film Festival."

And asked who won best director, he revealed: "Bryan Singer for Superman Returns. I am a big fan of Returns. I'm working on what is now a 20-page review of that movie, and I'm not done yet."

Tarantino is never one to adhere to convention or mainstream formula so his love of Superman Returns is probably not as surprising as it may sound.

Unfortunately, the film is so far off the beaten track of expectation and so much a personal vision of the director that it never led to a sequel and Singer is unlikely to helm any further Superman films.

Tarantino's latest film Inglourious Basterds will premiere at this year's Cannes.

http://blogs.coventrytelegraph.net/thegeekfiles/2009/05/quentin-tarantino-reveals-his.html

[Eros]

I said an UPDATED version of the FLYBY story with Geoff Johns being involved in the writing of the revised story or script.

Abrams is a fool when it comes to superman, he just doesn't understand the character, Flyboy was proof of that fact.

[Ita-KalEl]

We can only hope that despite relative calm something is moving foward.

[GreenKToo]

I'm just itching to hear some rumored names up to direct the next one. Just the mention of certain directors can conjure up a certain feel we'll likely get in the film.

[manofsteel4life]

We can only hope that despite relative calm something is moving foward.
:whatever:....yeaaa

[batman44]

Saw this on Bluetights, could something be up?
http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=175591459&blogId=484535560

[GreenKToo]

yeah. I saw that here this mornin right off.

[Timstuff]

Saw this on Bluetights, could something be up?
http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=175591459&blogId=484535560

I doubt it has anything to do with Superman.

[Timstuff]

You know what...at this point, I would prefer them to do some homages to the 1930s Fleshier era and have him bust up a giant robot or some **** like that.

Tentpole action scene 1: Superman fights a gang of evil 20-foot tall robots made by Dr. Emmit Vale ala Max Fleischer
Tentpole action scene 2: Superman fights Metallo, mano-a-mano
Tentpole action scene 3: Superman takes down a 100 foot tall Metallo who's augmented his body with loads of scrap metal

[Christmas]

timstuff, i'd bet a dollhair that it is about superman goddarnit.

did you read the caption to Mike Dougherty's post?- "Keep watching the skies."

What else has he got going on that would let him finally relax and feel at ease other than trick or treat?

I hope its something of interest.

[Hugh'sMrs]

I doubt it has anything to do with Superman.

Probably something to do with Trick 'R Treat.

[Christmas]

he wrote to expect TWO separate announcements, the 1st in june

the 2nd in july at COMICON.

"WATCH THE SKIES". If he's talking about something other than Superman, what could it be?

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I'll believe that Superman news is coming when I see it. Untill then I remain highly skeptical.

[Double Down]

It's hard not to be skeptical, considering this thread has almost 10,000 posts since it started in August with: "The studio is set to announce its plans for future DC movies in the next month. For now, though, it is focused on releasing four comic-book films in the next three years, including a third Batman film, a new film reintroducing Superman, and two movies focusing on other DC Comics characters. Movies featuring Green Lantern, Flash, Green Arrow, and Wonder Woman are all in active development."

[Showtime]

Nothing within that article or statement by Robinov has happened, yet people are still holding on to those words for dear life.

[FilmNerdJamie]

Ironic.

[Christmas]

I just looked at supermanlives showtime, I forgot all about freedom formula.

That colors all this speculation quite differently, dadgummit.

[dude love]

Nothing within that article or statement by Robinov has happened, yet people are still holding on to those words for dear life.

So basically we're not any closer to a Superman movie than we where in August 2006? That's a damn shame [/Travolta].

[Dark Knight]

If no JJ then WB's should just go with Gore Verbinski to direct with Geoff Johns, Orci and Kurtzman as story and screenwriters! Sheesh..

[Dark Knight]

I'll believe that Superman news is coming when I see it. Untill then I remain highly skeptical.



Agreed!

[Ita-KalEl]

Nothing within that article or statement by Robinov has happened, yet people are still holding on to those words for dear life.

Sad but true. Do you have any opinion about the fate of the superman franchise?

[SuperDaniel]

He CAN NOT be talking about Superman. Please, DEAR GOD. Not a sequel to SR...

[\S/JcDc\S/]

He CAN NOT be talking about Superman. Please, DEAR GOD. Not a sequel to SR...

If you have had a chance to speak with either of them, you'd know they have great ideas that most Superman fans would like.

I mean Dan toyed with the idea, Lex out of seclusion to become President. Both of them were interested in killing off Jason, and bringing Brainiac in. I believe both were also interested in presenting Darkseid to some capacity.

Singer had a specific story and approach to the movie, which they did their job and honored.

Now the approach would likely be different for a sequel, and they will focus more on action and comics... Maybe "Action Comics" ;) It would not be as bad as some think.

[NeoRanger]

I don't particularly care if Dougherty's involved with a reboot, but WB suddenly greenlighting a sequel at this point isn't finding a way out of the limbo and moving forward, it's falling back to something that feels safe. Until it blows in their face.

Again.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

It has been very quiet lately. Funny thing is, I remember one of the last things Robert Sanchez said about the Superman sequel. "They are no longer going with that draft, but Mike is still writing MOS"

Bet he'd enjoy gloating if something is actually going on. LOL

[SuperDaniel]

As long as it is not a sequel, i'll be happy.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

http://i9.tinypic.com/2rm0h80.jpg

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Right now I just don't see WB making a real discission till 2010. Hope I'm wrong but I've just lost faith that some summer news is coming.

We've been hearing forever that news is coming and it hasn't come, why should I believe it's coming now?

Even if it's disappointing news I wish WB would say something because we know that they haven't given up on Superman on film.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

I wouldn't believe it for sure either. Mike and Dan love being cryptic. :o Just something to discuss since news has been slow... er dead.

[wellsy]

I'll believe that Superman news is coming when I see it. Untill then I remain highly skeptical.
Co-signed.

[GreenKToo]

I'm skeptical as well. They've promised to many times news is coming soon, then didnt deliver.

[Superark]

Quentin Tarantino reveals his love of Bryan Singer's Superman Returns
By David Bentley on May 4, 09 03:13 PM

Quentin Tarantino.jpgBRYAN SINGER'S 2006 Superman Returns was a film that ended up polarising the fan base, underperforming at the box office and paralysing the Superman franchise into a state of uncertainty.

But the movie has at least one major fan - and it's the filmmaker Quentin Tarantino.

Tarantino has revealed that he would give a best director award to Singer for his work on the film, which paid homage to the earlier Superman movies by Richard Donner but introduced controversial new elements like Superman's son and a new partner for Lois Lane.

Speaking to the New York Times, Tarantino said: "There was one year when I visited Cannes, and I was so caught up in the spirit that I picked 12 movies that I had never seen from all different countries and I watched them and did my own little awards thing.

He continued: "Can I tell you the movie that won? Perfume by Tom Tykwer. Perfume won my own little Cannes Film Festival."

And asked who won best director, he revealed: "Bryan Singer for Superman Returns. I am a big fan of Returns. I'm working on what is now a 20-page review of that movie, and I'm not done yet."

Tarantino is never one to adhere to convention or mainstream formula so his love of Superman Returns is probably not as surprising as it may sound.

Unfortunately, the film is so far off the beaten track of expectation and so much a personal vision of the director that it never led to a sequel and Singer is unlikely to helm any further Superman films.

Tarantino's latest film Inglourious Basterds will premiere at this year's Cannes.

http://blogs.coventrytelegraph.net/thegeekfiles/2009/05/quentin-tarantino-reveals-his.html

That's cool that QT loved SR so much! I'd love to read that 20 page review of his. Kinda hate how tha author of the article made it seem like its so bad or out of the ordinary for someone to like SR.

good find!

[FlawlessVictory]

Right now I just don't see WB making a real discission till 2010. Hope I'm wrong but I've just lost faith that some summer news is coming.

We've been hearing forever that news is coming and it hasn't come, why should I believe it's coming now?

Even if it's disappointing news I wish WB would say something because we know that they haven't given up on Superman on film.

I'm sticking with my date of 2014, which is, no Superman movie before then. That gives 8 years between SR and the next Superman film. WB sees that Batman has been successfully rebooted after laying low for 8 years, my guess is they will now try that formula for Superman.

[Mostpowerful]

That's cool that QT loved SR so much! I'd love to read that 20 page review of his. Kinda hate how tha author of the article made it seem like its so bad or out of the ordinary for someone to like SR.

good find!

Agreed. Lots of people liked Superman Returns. That's WHY the film has a rating score of 77% at rottentomatoes.

And I think the person who wrote that article is a poster from the hype called X-Maniac, and he doesn't like SR...


btw, here is a more objective article on the subject, ;)

http://thinkmcflythink.squarespace.com/movie-news/2009/5/4/tarantino-writing-20-page-review-of-superman-returns.html

[Showtime]

Sad but true. Do you have any opinion about the fate of the superman franchise?

I have many opinions.

[Mostpowerful]

If you have had a chance to speak with either of them, you'd know they have great ideas that most Superman fans would like.

I mean Dan toyed with the idea, Lex out of seclusion to become President. Both of them were interested in killing off Jason, and bringing Brainiac in. I believe both were also interested in presenting Darkseid to some capacity.

Singer had a specific story and approach to the movie, which they did their job and honored.

Now the approach would likely be different for a sequel, and they will focus more on action and comics... Maybe "Action Comics" ;) It would not be as bad as some think.

I'm pretty sure it'd be great.

[Mostpowerful]

hey, superark, LOVE your avvy. Can I use it at another site, please?

[Superark]

Agreed. Lots of people liked Superman Returns. That's WHY the film has a rating score of 77% at rottentomatoes.

And I think the person who wrote that article is a poster from the hype called X-Maniac, and he doesn't like SR...


btw, here is a more objective article on the subject, ;)

http://thinkmcflythink.squarespace.com/movie-news/2009/5/4/tarantino-writing-20-page-review-of-superman-returns.html


Just read Double Down's summary of the NY Times article on ThinkMcflyThink. Pretty much an objective take on it, instead of acting like QT's opinion on the film would mirror his. That's why I really enjoy the reads by Showtime, Jamie, Double Down, and all the guys on that site.

I mean why not make those who didnt like SR seem uncoventional or "surprising"? :whatever:

[sdc10]

What else are they going to say? TIH only made about 2 Million more domestic then Hulk. That is without inflation. TIH will not be getting a sequel, proof is in the pudding.

I think its too premature to say that, considering the dvd sales of the film. Not to mention the interest that may be sparked if they do continue to make references to other heroes in the avenger related films. I mean look at the new terminator sequel it came out 6 years after its previous movie.

[Superark]

hey, superark, LOVE your avvy. Can I use it at another site, please?


Thanks! By all mean, use it! It's such a great Superman image!

[Mostpowerful]

Just read Double Down's summary of the NY Times article on ThinkMcflyThink. Pretty much an objective take on it, instead of acting like QT's opinion on the film would mirror his.

I mean why not make those who didnt like SR seem uncoventional or "surprising"?

exactly


Thanks! By all mean, use it! It's such a great Superman image!

Thanks, and yes, that image is iconic as it gets!

So, can you send me the address to the avvy, please? :yay:

[Superark]

exactly




Thanks, and yes, that image is iconic as it gets!

So, can you send me the address to the avvy, please? :yay:

Absolutey! I'm going to PM the address to ya right now

[Showtime]

I think its too premature to say that, considering the dvd sales of the film. Not to mention the interest that may be sparked if they do continue to make references to other heroes in the avenger related films. I mean look at the new terminator sequel it came out 6 years after its previous movie.

I don't. They made some money sure, but if you release two Hulk films about 5 years apart from each other and the reboot makes only 2 million more then the original it is pretty obvious there is not peaked interest in the character. I wouldn't hold my breath for a sequel, you'll see Hulk in an Avengers flick and that is about it.

[Showtime]

Just read Double Down's summary of the NY Times article on ThinkMcflyThink. Pretty much an objective take on it, instead of acting like QT's opinion on the film would mirror his. That's why I really enjoy the reads by Showtime, Jamie, Double Down, and all the guys on that site.

I mean why not make those who didnt like SR seem uncoventional or "surprising"? :whatever:

Thanks for the kind words. We try our best to stay middle ground. Each writer on TMT is entitled to their own opinion. We are one site with multiple voices. No article written on TMT has to go through me or Jamie, even if we are the owners of the site. We think it makes for a more well balanced site and there are no restrictions on the writers.

I just put up the Part IV in my Superman Limbo series on both TMT and Superman Lives. You can also read them on Bluetights Feature Articles section.

[dark_b]

http://thinkmcflythink.squarespace.com/movie-news/2009/5/4/superman-limbo-iv-were-all-part-of-the-same-team.html

interesting directors.
for example Kevin Munroe. he did the animated TMNT. would he be a realistic choice? ohh s.. i just now noticed that he is directing Dead of Night with Routh.

[Superark]

Thanks for the kind words. We try our best to stay middle ground. Each writer on TMT is entitled to their own opinion. We are one site with multiple voices. No article written on TMT has to go through me or Jamie, even if we are the owners of the site. We think it makes for a more well balanced site and there are no restrictions on the writers.

I just put up the Part IV in my Superman Limbo series on both TMT and Superman Lives. You can also read them on Bluetights Feature Articles section.


You're welcome! You guys really do a great job over there and I appreciate the work y'all put into it. Keep it up! A lot the movie news websites should take some notes from you guys

I just read the latest Superman Limbo article. Do you really think there is a possibility at all of Dougherty being attached to the next Superman? It seems far fetched to me.

And

[Excel]

David Dobkin would be an excellent choice, imo. That was an oolf suggestion I liked a lot.

[Mostpowerful]

http://thinkmcflythink.squarespace.com/movie-news/2009/5/4/superman-limbo-iv-were-all-part-of-the-same-team.html

interesting directors.
for example Kevin Munroe. he did the animated TMNT. would he be a realistic choice? ohh s.. i just now noticed that he is directing Dead of Night with Routh.

Well, I find the article biased as well. Especially this part,

"Some might say that it could be worse, at least we were witness to “Superman Returns” and not some of the absurd ideas bounding around while Superman was in years of “Development Hell”. That’s like eating leftover minute steak and somebody saying, “At least it isn’t rotten minute steak.” I don’t know about you, but I want a big thick piece of tender filet mignon or some well marbled Kobe beef."


Personally, I got a BIG thick piece of tender filet mignon with Superman Returns.

Also, I'd LOVE to see some of the Donnerverse elements back in the next Superman film such as the crystal tech and the William's Superman theme. That stuff IS iconic and VERY hard to top, imo. And no doubt a lot of fans feel the same way I do.

[Webhead2006]

for me certain elements of donnor like crystals/crystal fos i wouldnt be against seeing used again in a superman movie. But other elements from the reeve films need to be change and go in a new direction. The whole crystal thing works alot if you think about it. Its a way to storage massive amounts of info in a small place.

[dark_b]

Well, I find the article biased as well. Especially this part,

"Some might say that it could be worse, at least we were witness to “Superman Returns” and not some of the absurd ideas bounding around while Superman was in years of “Development Hell”. That’s like eating leftover minute steak and somebody saying, “At least it isn’t rotten minute steak.” I don’t know about you, but I want a big thick piece of tender filet mignon or some well marbled Kobe beef."


Personally, I got a BIG thick piece of tender filet mignon with Superman Returns.

Also, I'd LOVE to see some of the Donnerverse elements back in the next Superman film such as the crystal tech and the William's Superman theme. That stuff IS iconic and VERY hard to top, imo. And no doubt a lot of fans feel the same way I do.only fans. and not a lot of fans.

sorry its over now. it was fun for like..............20 years? :huh:

if a batman begins type superman movie is the only way to go with WB then i take this.

and it looks like you missed this "We're all part of the same team.".

[dark_b]

for me certain elements of donnor like crystals/crystal fos i wouldnt be against seeing used again in a superman movie. But other elements from the reeve films need to be change and go in a new direction. The whole crystal thing works alot if you think about it. Its a way to storage massive amounts of info in a small place.but that doesnt mean that the FOS needs to look exactly the same like 20 years ago.

[Webhead2006]

Yea it could be changed up and have a different look but the whole crystals and all that is a cool thing to use.

[FilmNerdJamie]

Well, I find the article biased as well. Especially this part,

"Some might say that it could be worse, at least we were witness to “Superman Returns” and not some of the absurd ideas bounding around while Superman was in years of “Development Hell”. That’s like eating leftover minute steak and somebody saying, “At least it isn’t rotten minute steak.” I don’t know about you, but I want a big thick piece of tender filet mignon or some well marbled Kobe beef."

You're seriously going to argue "bias" against Showtime? :whatever:

[Superark]

The only thing I think that should absolutely stay in EVERY Superman film is the Williams theme. IMO that theme goes way beyond Donner's film and universe. It's Superman's theme. I relate it simply to Superman period, just like I do the James Bond theme.

[SuperDaniel]

I wouldn't mind if its gone in a reboot. I like the Lois & Clark, STAS, Fleischer and Justice League theme a lot too.

[Mostpowerful]

You're seriously going to argue "bias" against Showtime? :whatever:

Look, I like Showtime; think he is a gentleman. But I find his articles on the subject a bit biased. Especially this one. It's my opinion and no, I have no interest in 'arguing' about it. Just wanted to say what I thought about it. That's all.

On the crystal tech, I think it's just too good (and yes iconic) to lose. They should just expand it like in the recent comics by Geoff Johns.

[dark_b]

with all due respect. you will talk bias? you who said that if Routh is not superman that you will not watch it?

we respect your opinion of course.

[Showtime]

Look, I like Showtime; think he is a gentleman. But I find his articles on the subject a bit biased. Especially this one. It's my opinion and no, I have no interest in 'arguing' about it. Just wanted to say what I thought about it. That's all.

On the crystal tech, I think it's just too good (and yes iconic) to lose. They should just expand it like in the recent comics by Geoff Johns.

Criticism or opinion on my articles are always welcome, but if you read the first one I said to the world that "I liked Superman Returns", so by definition how could I be bias?

[FilmNerdJamie]

I can now state for a fact that you have no idea what you're talking about - especially regarding Showtime.

[FlawlessVictory]

Criticism or opinion on my articles are always welcome, but if you read the first one I said to the world that "I liked Superman Returns", so by definition how could I be bias?

I guess because you didn't say that Routh is the greatest actor of our generation giving the most incredible performance by an actor in our lifetime in the most superb and stunning film ever made! :wow:

MP, is the last person in this universe that should talk about an SR related bias.

[SuperDaniel]

^Exactely.

[Mostpowerful]

Criticism or opinion on my articles are always welcome, but if you read the first one I said to the world that "I liked Superman Returns", so by definition how could I be bias?

Yes, you did, but if I remember well, you also said that you 'changed' your opinion on the film after reading these forums when the movie first came out. I understand you liked it much more than you do now, so it seems that all the negative criticism got to you and somehow made you see the film with other eyes. Am I correct?

So that's what you project in your articles. That the movie was such a disappointment to most people here and everywhere.



I can now state for a fact that you have no idea what you're talking about - especially regarding Showtime.
You may think whatever you want.

[SuperDaniel]

But the movie IS a disappointment, even to WB. It is a fact.

[Mostpowerful]

I guess because you didn't say that Routh is the greatest actor of our generation giving the most incredible performance by an actor in our lifetime in the most superb and stunning film ever made! :wow:

MP, is the last person in this universe that should talk about an SR related bias.

Trying to be funny? I must say, I'm not surprised at all. Typical.

[Mostpowerful]

Ugh, I'm out of here for now. I see that I'm a small fish in a pond.. it's not like my little opinion is going to change the world.

[FilmNerdJamie]

You may think whatever you want.

This coming from the same poster who accused me of hating on Routh other at the Zack & Miri Make a Porno thread without giving a single example and/or point of reference to back up said claim(s).

[Showtime]

Yes, you did, but if I remember well, you also said that you 'changed' your opinion on the film after reading these forums when the movie first came out. I understand you liked it much more than you do now, so it seems that all the negative criticism got to you and somehow made you see the film with other eyes. Am I correct?

Incorrect.

The first time I saw "Superman Returns I watched it and was totally immersed in the film, not really analyzing what I was watching, just watching. By the time I saw it the 2nd time I had already been subjected to the pros and cons via the many forums across the “inter-webs” so I went in prepared. I wanted to look at this from a different point of view, see it in a different light. I found myself agreeing with some of the cons and I saw the film though somebody else’s eyes.


There were certainly many flaws that I was blinded to on my first viewing and although I still liked the film, I could understand why others didn’t. I became a Superman fan in “limbo” and I think a lot of others are experiencing that same feeling. We’re in limbo, just like the next “Superman Film”.


So that's what you project in your articles. That the movie was such a disappointment to most people here and everywhere.

Seems to me the reason you feel this way is because you can't except anything other then, "The Movie Was Awesome and Had No Flaws". I actually have taken the time to see both sides of the argument.

Certainly your opinion, but everybody that has commented to me on those articles has told me it was a very un-bias take. Again it is fine, your entitled to your opinion. I just don't happen to agree with it. No harm.

You're still good in my book. :yay:

[Mostpowerful]

This coming from the same poster who accused me of hating on Routh other at the Zack & Miri Make a Porno thread without giving a single example and/or point of reference to back up said claim(s).

I was not going to respond but this is unfair and untrue... I don't remember saying that you HATED him. I never said that. I think you are exagerating and projecting here.


Incorrect.





Seems to me the reason you feel this way is because you can't except anything other then, "The Movie Was Awesome and Had No Flaws". I actually have taken the time to see both sides of the argument.

Certainly your opinion, but everybody that has commented to me on those articles has told me it was a very un-bias take. Again it is fine, your entitled to your opinion. I just don't happen to agree with it. No harm.

You're still good in my book. :yay:

No, I don't think the movie is flawless, I have never said that, and I have said so in some occasions. However, I think the good in the movie far outweighs the flaws TO ME. It is a matter of taste and opinion. And NO movie is perfect. Not even TDK. Some like Transformers and I hate it, some like the Spidey films and I think they are just ok.

Now, I think I'm done here. Have nothing else to add.


P.S. @darkb, yes, I'm a big Routh fan for Superman. I think he should be given another chance to play the role. He is not the only actor who can play the character on the big screen right now. I think he is the best. Deal with it.

[NeoRanger]

Ah, gotta love the Internets. Where words lose their meaning and get thrown left and right whenever they sound good. And hey, my mother tongue isn't English; what's everyone else's excuse?

Bias = prejudice =/= expressing an opinion. Can we go back to the exciting news of WB announcing a new Superman movie next month?

What?

[GreenKToo]

Division amongst the fans is prolly one of the reasons we're in limbo....

Look, I love the williams theme and Donner's F.O.S., but if it meant having to let them go in order to get a new film, then by all means, take them out.

We may all have to sacrifice something that we hold dear in the next Film. How are we to expect W.B. to give us another film when we can't even agree on what the he!! we want.

[Showtime]

No, I don't think the movie is flawless, I have never said that, and I have said so in some occasions. However, I think the good in the movie far outweighs the flaws TO ME. It is a matter of taste and opinion. And NO movie is perfect. Not even TDK. Some like Transformers and I hate it, some like the Spidey films and I think they are just ok.

Now, I think I'm done here. Have nothing else to add.


All my posts are here in black and white as are yours, my articles are up for all to see. So it is all there. We can let that speak for itself I guess.

[dark_b]

But the movie IS a disappointment, even to WB. It is a fact.i am very happy that you used this word.

remember back in 2006 some said it was a bomb. it was not a bomb. but now in 2009 we know that it was a disappointment to WB

[Showtime]

Division amongst the fans is prolly one of the reasons we're in limbo....

Look, I love the williams theme and Donner's F.O.S., but if it meant having to let them go in order to get a new film, then by all means, take them out.

We may all have to sacrifice something that we hold dear in the next Film. How are we to expect W.B. to give us another film when we can't even agree on what the he!! we want.

That's one of the problems.

Routh has to be Superman we won't accept anybody else!

If Tom Welling isn't Superman I won't go see it!

If they don't use the Donnerverse all is lost!

I want Jame Cameron to direct or I won't buy a ticket?

Really? This is Superman, our favorite character.

[Showtime]

Enough bickering. MP made her point. I made my point. We both put the thread of track. Let's put it back on track.

[dark_b]

Division amongst the fans is prolly one of the reasons we're in limbo....

Look, I love the williams theme and Donner's F.O.S., but if it meant having to let them go in order to get a new film, then by all means, take them out.

We may all have to sacrifice something that we hold dear in the next Film. How are we to expect W.B. to give us another film when we can't even agree on what the he!! we want.it is not sacrifice in my book to make a new superman...........NEW. this is not a compromise to NOT use the williams theme. for christ sake it was used in 4 movies with Reeve and in SR in 2006.
f... 5 movies. noone can tell me that it would be bad. hey lets CGI Reeve on top of brandon routh. :o


i have Ellfmans soundtrack from batman . i listen to it sometimes. its just good music. that doesnt mean that it woudl fit in Nolans movies. it only fits in a ''fantasy'' batman movie IMO.

[GreenKToo]

That's one of the problems.

Routh has to be Superman we won't accept anybody else!

If Tom Welling isn't Superman I won't go see it!

If they don't use the Donnerverse all is lost!

I want Jame Cameron to direct or I won't buy a ticket?

Really? This is Superman, our favorite character.

I dont see it changing either..Its a no win for W.B. They would have to hire a director like Spielberg or Jackson to please the masses and even then some wouldnt be happy.

[FilmNerdJamie]

I was not going to respond but this is unfair and untrue... I don't remember saying that you HATED him. I never said that. I think you are exagerating and projecting here.

Yeah, Geez, jamie, I thought you liked Routh. How things change.

Sure.

[GreenKToo]

I've said it before and i'll say it again. I think they should go with the Kingdom Come story. Just scale down the number of characters in it, and make it a two part film.

[Showtime]

http://en.acnnewswire.com/Article.Asp?Art_ID=1448&lang=EN

Another title is Freedom Formula: Ghost of the Wasteland, based on the comic book series created by Edmund Shern, about a futuristic genetically engineered racer who learns that his bloodline has the power to change society. The film is the first Singapore intellectual property to be developed into a tent-pole film franchise by Hollywood's New Regency studio. It will be co-produced by Bryan Singer's production company Bad Hat Harry Productions and will be developed as a potential directing vehicle for Bryan Singer (X-Men, Superman Returns). Barry Levine, founder of Radical Publishing, is attached to produce with Jesse Berger and Michael Zoumas (Coraline, Mimic) attached as executive producers.

[dark_b]

i think they should make a SAFE summer blockbuster. make the right balance between popcron action and some depth.

[GreenKToo]

i think they should make a SAFE summer blockbuster. make the right balance between popcron action and some depth.
When I read that, it made me think of Bay.

[dark_b]

http://en.acnnewswire.com/Article.Asp?Art_ID=1448&lang=EN

i am getting tyred of news about Singer making a big budget movie ...again.

its getting very obvious that he is not the right guy for those kind of movies. at least to me. x-men movies were pretty low budget compared to batman begins,superman,iron man ,transformers.

the guy is good in making movies like The Usual suspects and Vallkyrie. i also like Apt Pupil.

IMO he does action because he must do action. not because he likes to do it. ''hey ok since i am allowed to make a superman then i will need to include some action. but thank good that i can tell this story''. its a movie. not a book. show us the candy.

[dark_b]

When I read that, it made me think of Bay.i said ''depth''. Bay does 80% action,10% humor and 10% of sun flares with some dramaic acting.
i like it. i really do. i like bays movies. i like to have some fun in the theater and i am aslo getting insane action.

but with superman a lot of money shots and a good story with good acting. nothing to complex.

[GreenKToo]

Question is tho, who would fit that bill?
I can think of a few but I seriously doubt W.B. could get them

[sdc10]

I dont see it changing either..Its a no win for W.B. They would have to hire a director like Spielberg or Jackson to please the masses and even then some wouldnt be happy.

There in lies the problem I mean I def have an opinion on what I would like to see in the movie (personally a reboot with new/updated interpretations of characters i.e. Zod eventually :up:) and an opinion on who I would like playing Supes. But its not like I wont go to see the movie if I dont get exactly what I want, because odds are I wont.