Reintroducing Superman: An Open Discussion

[SuperDaniel]

Those movies are dated and they are stupid as hell, IMO. I agree that Superman has never been FULLY explored in a live-action movie. STM is incredibly campy and dated. THe origin is the ONLY REASONABLE WAY to go with the next movie.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Man O Steel. I think the point about your girlfriend not caring for STM is really what most need to realize, not many people care for that movie anymore besides fans. I know it hurts for some of you, but superman needs a new origin now. Its not like it has to start on krypton, go to smallville, and 3 hours later we see superman. It needs to be done quickly and I think the most essential thing is to show Clark's first time at the daily planet to really estabilsh the supporting cast.

People don't care about smallville and krypton. Its all about lois and seeing as how they managed to create a show called lois and clark, and smallville's been limping on because of her addition I think its clear people like the dynamic of the 2 characters. Thats something SR lacked and I feel many superman movies will if they don't touch upon it.

I think you can make it brief and worthy with like 15-20 minutes related to Jor-el/Krypton in the opening

Then another 7-10 minutes of Smallville Clark

He then leaves for Metropolis. I always thought it would be funny if there is a scene where he has an interview with Perry, but has to make his first rescue as Superman. Maybe he even looks down at his watch and says "Hmm, 15 minutes till my interview, cutting it close." takes it off, puts it in his pocket and shirt rips to Superman. Then he rescues Lois and she wants the interview but he has to ease his way out so he can make it to Perry. Intro to the complication he'll face with dual identities :)

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Those movies are dated and they are stupid as hell, IMO. I agree that Superman has never been FULLY explored in a live-action movie. STM is incredibly campy and dated. THe origin is the ONLY REASONABLE WAY to go with the next movie.

That may sound harsh to some, but you are definitely right, it is time to explore his origin. Modernize Superman, and he will be back on top. :o

[C. Lee]

Those movies are dated and they are stupid as hell, IMO. I agree that Superman has never been FULLY explored in a live-action movie. STM is incredibly campy and dated. THe origin is the ONLY REASONABLE WAY to go with the next movie.

I never liked Superman II until I saw the Donner cut. Now it's a favorite. Superman IV is bad all the way through.....but he said he wanted to see Superman punched through buildings in a live action movie....so there you go. I gave him something to watch while we wait for something new.

[SuperDaniel]

I actually think the Donner cut as edited by Michael Thau, is worse than the Lester version. I even prefer amnesia kiss over turning back time agaaaain. In fact, both movies are just terrible to me. STM is half decent. I prefer the 1st and 2nd seasons of Lois & Clark and Superman TAS over them any day of the week. Actually the only origin story of Superman i really love is Superman for all seasons.

[RachelDawes]

He then leaves for Metropolis. I always thought it would be funny if there is a scene where he has an interview with Perry, but has to make his first rescue as Superman. Maybe he even looks down at his watch and says "Hmm, 15 minutes till my interview, cutting it close." takes it off, puts it in his pocket and shirt rips to Superman. Then he rescues Lois and she wants the interview but he has to ease his way out so he can make it to Perry. Intro to the complication he'll face with dual identities :)

That would be funny. :up:

[C. Lee]

I actually think the Donner cut as edited by Michael Thau, is worse than the Lester version. I even prefer amnesia kiss over turning back time agaaaain. In fact, both movies are just terrible to me. STM is half decent. I prefer the 1st and 2nd seasons of Lois & Clark and Superman TAS over them any day of the week.

I always hated the amnesia kiss and the lame attemps at humor that Lester threw in everywhere. The turn back time trick just works better for me.

[SuperDaniel]

I hate it too. That's what i meant when i said Superman was never really explored perfectly in a movie. There's always some things i hate in any movie. Its not like Batman Begins, Iron Man and Spider-man that i like everything about them.

[StorminNorman]

I always hated the amnesia kiss and the lame attemps at humor that Lester threw in everywhere. The turn back time trick just works better for me.

Neither work for me. The amnesia kiss is no more ridiculous than giving Superman the ability to turn back time by changing the direction of Earth's rotation. Both were examples of cheesy, lazy story writing and both are one of the reasons I find the old Superman movies unwatchable.

[SuperDaniel]

I kinda think changing the world's rotation is only meant as a VISUAL representation of Superman turning back time. Its not that he actually changed the rotation of Earth. I excuse the movie because it was 1978 but still, it is campy and stupid as hell. We just need a non-linear origin in the next movie with Braniac as the main villain and connected to Krypton and that's it. It is that easy. WB loves to complicate stuff. Education is the answer not money.

[C. Lee]

People don't seem to get it....he's not making the Earth change it's direction of rotation thus causing time to reverse....he travels faster than the speed of light, while traveling around and around the Earth, which causes him to go backwards in time, and this is expressed by showing the Earth turn backwards just as it shows other things on the planet going in reverse.

[afan]

I think you can make it brief and worthy with like 15-20 minutes related to Jor-el/Krypton in the opening

Then another 7-10 minutes of Smallville Clark

He then leaves for Metropolis. I always thought it would be funny if there is a scene where he has an interview with Perry, but has to make his first rescue as Superman. Maybe he even looks down at his watch and says "Hmm, 15 minutes till my interview, cutting it close." takes it off, puts it in his pocket and shirt rips to Superman. Then he rescues Lois and she wants the interview but he has to ease his way out so he can make it to Perry. Intro to the complication he'll face with dual identities :)

His rescues are by appointment:huh::yay:

[SuperDaniel]

People don't seem to get it....he's not making the Earth change it's direction of rotation thus causing time to reverse....he travels faster than the speed of light, while traveling around and around the Earth, which causes him to go backwards in time, and this is expressed by showing the Earth turn backwards just as it shows other things on the planet going in reverse.
Yes!!

[solidsnake86]

I never watched any of the Reeve's movies until I was older, I guess thats why I really have no attachment to them and find them to be really bad. It sometimes puzzles me in threads like the lois lane casting thread when people want the new lois to have a resemblence to kidder. I really don't understand the obsession with that film and the need to continue it.

[afan]

People don't seem to get it....he's not making the Earth change it's direction of rotation thus causing time to reverse....he travels faster than the speed of light, while traveling around and around the Earth, which causes him to go backwards in time, and this is expressed by showing the Earth turn backwards just as it shows other things on the planet going in reverse.

Interesting.... you're saying he does not turn back time? Isn't that the point of ignoring Jor-el's admonition to never interfere in human history?

[ultimatefan]

Those movies are dated and they are stupid as hell, IMO. I agree that Superman has never been FULLY explored in a live-action movie. STM is incredibly campy and dated. THe origin is the ONLY REASONABLE WAY to go with the next movie.

The origin is exactly the element of the movie that´s not campy in the slightlest. The journey from Krypton to Earth is sober and epic. Otis is a campy element. Clark´s bumbling ways, to an extent. The origin, in no way whatsoever.. THE ORIGIN IS THE ABSOLUTE LAST WAY TO GO, OR ELSE, THE WAY TO NEVER, EVER GO. ANOTHER ORIGIN MOVIE WILL CRASH AND BURN. I´D BET MY HOUSE ON IT.

[ultimatefan]

Man O Steel. I think the point about your girlfriend not caring for STM is really what most need to realize, not many people care for that movie anymore besides fans. I know it hurts for some of you, but superman needs a new origin now. Its not like it has to start on krypton, go to smallville, and 3 hours later we see superman. It needs to be done quickly and I think the most essential thing is to show Clark's first time at the daily planet to really estabilsh the supporting cast.

People don't care about smallville and krypton. Its all about lois and seeing as how they managed to create a show called lois and clark, and smallville's been limping on because of her addition I think its clear people like the dynamic of the 2 characters. Thats something SR lacked and I feel many superman movies will if they don't touch upon it.

Funny, in every media you see reverence for Superman The Movie, the most obvious proof is that it clearly was a major influence on Sam Raimi´s Spider-Man and Nolan´s Batman Begins. It´s only among post-crisis fanoys that I see this obsession with making the movie seem so dated and forgotten.

[The Democrat]

Superman: The Movie is to the Gen Xers what Batman is to early Millennial and Spiderman is too the Gen Y/late Millennial. It has a profound emotional, cultural significance that makes them stubborn to a fault. In fact to the detriment of the fan base. How long did it take them to stop drawing Superman like Reeve? Even now Clark is depicted largely as he was in that movie. Lines are recycled. It's an obsession with the writers, artists and fans that came of age when it came out. It's their stubborn refusal to see beyond the mythology created there that has alienated readers and viewers.

[Crook]

I have to disagree. People who never read a comic book in their lives know Superman came from the destroyed planet of Krypton. The movies and TV shows get reruns and are discovered by younger generations. With all its liberties, Smallville still keeps a basic "Krypton explodes, Kal-El comes to Earth, is adopted by Kents, learns about his origin from Jor-El" scenario. Not to mention all the references, homages, parodies, etc. It permeates pop culture, even if Supes doesn´t seem to be so popular anymore.
The very basics is realized by the younger generations as a result of his pop icon status. You cannot possibly think that the likes of Smallville or STAS have any wide impact on the modern crowd. The audiences for those shows are so small they might as well be insignificant in the overall scheme of things.

I don´t say NOTHING from the origin should be mentioned in the movies. If you want to add a few twists and details, get back to it in little flashbacks and stuff. But I don´t really see the point of getting yet again back to Clark meets Lois saves her as Superman, Superman learns from Jor-El who he is. This stuff has been done to death in tons of medias, and has been refered to in another ton of them.
I don't think you realize how broad and generalized those plot points and elements really are. If one were determined enough, they could make very similar parallels between what happened with B89 and TDK, and in particular, the character paths of Batman and Joker. You widen that perspective however, and you'll see what the reality is: the two products are almost completely different from one another.

Especially as a fan, I´d find that repetitive and boring. As far as I´m concerned, Superman doesn´t need to be reintroduced, just a good, exciting story.
You don't see this as incredibly myopic or self-indulging? There are more people out there that are potential viewers of a modern Superman film who know little beyond the basics, than there are of fans like you and me who can name the ins-and-outs of the character. Studios and the creative teams behind these franchise movies know to keep us in mind, but never to place such an importance that we are to be appeased. For all intents and purposes, a Hollywood film is for the masses and thus must consider them first and foremost. In this case, the masses have not experienced a proper modern vision of the character.

You keep beating the origin drum, you know that the studio might, with 99,99999999% of certainty end up doing? They will want to tell a "fresh and new" version of the origin, and you´re gonna be pissed all over again cuz it´s not the origin you know and love. That´s how we ended up with that script everyone hated that had Krypton not destroyed, Superman as part of some BS new age prophecy, Lex as a Kryptonian, and so on.
And you know this for a fact, that they'll screw it up because of trying out a modern/fresh origin? That's like me referencing SR as an example of why NOT going with an origin would be an absolute failure. When in truth, none of it is even related to the final quality of a product.

Why people insist on making such a connection between unrelated factors to support their own beliefs is beyond me.

[C. Lee]

Interesting.... you're saying he does not turn back time? Isn't that the point of ignoring Jor-el's admonition to never interfere in human history?

No, that's not what I said.

Some people say they don't like that Superman causes the Earth to reverse it's rotation and go back in time by flying around it very fast.....I am saying that Superman flies around and around the Earth attaining and surpassing the speed of light, and thus goes back in time (that is one of the theories on the possibility of time travel, going past the speed of light breaks the time barrier).....and the movie shows that he is going back in time in two ways....one is showing the Earth no longer rotating in it's normal direction, but going backwards (as if time was in the process of reversing) and the second way is showing the things that had happened before (the dam breaking, etc...) also reversing, and going back to the point that Superman wants it to rebegin at.

[SuperDaniel]

The very basics is realized by the younger generations as a result of his pop icon status. You cannot possibly think that the likes of Smallville or STAS have any wide impact on the modern crowd. There are more people out there that are potential viewers of a modern Superman film who know little beyond the basics, than there are of fans like you and me who can name the ins-and-outs of the character. Studios and the creative teams behind these franchise movies know to keep us in mind, but never to place such an importance that we are to be appeased. For all intents and purposes, a Hollywood film is for the masses and thus must consider them first and foremost. In this case, the masses have not experienced a proper modern vision of the character.

Well said! Superman needs a modern reintrodution. The Donner film will always exist and be in your hearts but it belongs to the past now. It is time to move on and use elements that were good in all the incarnations of Superman.

[SuperDaniel]

The origin is exactly the element of the movie that´s not campy in the slightlest. The journey from Krypton to Earth is sober and epic. Otis is a campy element. Clark´s bumbling ways, to an extent. The origin, in no way whatsoever.. THE ORIGIN IS THE ABSOLUTE LAST WAY TO GO, OR ELSE, THE WAY TO NEVER, EVER GO. ANOTHER ORIGIN MOVIE WILL CRASH AND BURN. I´D BET MY HOUSE ON IT.
The origin of Superman is not just the journey from Krypton. EVerything in that movie is dated, slow and boring. It was good for its time but we need a new fun take, especially a non linear one.

[Fresh Prince]

I want that Mark Millar Superman film now.

[sdc10]

I want that Mark Millar Superman film now.

:facepalm

[B]

The origin is exactly the element of the movie that´s not campy in the slightlest. The journey from Krypton to Earth is sober and epic. Otis is a campy element. Clark´s bumbling ways, to an extent. The origin, in no way whatsoever.. THE ORIGIN IS THE ABSOLUTE LAST WAY TO GO, OR ELSE, THE WAY TO NEVER, EVER GO. ANOTHER ORIGIN MOVIE WILL CRASH AND BURN. I´D BET MY HOUSE ON IT.

The only other origin film is dated, it needs updating for the 21st century cinema goer..

Batman, Spiderman, Iron Man, The Hulk... all of these started with origin films, Superman should be no different.

An origin is the way the film should have been in 2006 rather than the vague sequal nonsense I personally feel. With an origin film all questions are answered right there & then.

[StorminNorman]

People don't seem to get it....he's not making the Earth change it's direction of rotation thus causing time to reverse....he travels faster than the speed of light, while traveling around and around the Earth, which causes him to go backwards in time, and this is expressed by showing the Earth turn backwards just as it shows other things on the planet going in reverse.

Either way, it's dumb and lazy.

[StorminNorman]

The origin is exactly the element of the movie that´s not campy in the slightlest. The journey from Krypton to Earth is sober and epic. Otis is a campy element. Clark´s bumbling ways, to an extent. The origin, in no way whatsoever.. THE ORIGIN IS THE ABSOLUTE LAST WAY TO GO, OR ELSE, THE WAY TO NEVER, EVER GO. ANOTHER ORIGIN MOVIE WILL CRASH AND BURN. I´D BET MY HOUSE ON IT.

It doesn't matter. Anyone who watches Superman: The Movie will see a campy movie that doesn't stand up to modern standards and would be laughed out of theaters if released today. People don't go "well...the origin was good, I don't need to see it again" - they go "that film was corny". I guarantee you a well written origin movie could be successful in today's world.

Funny, in every media you see reverence for Superman The Movie, the most obvious proof is that it clearly was a major influence on Sam Raimi´s Spider-Man and Nolan´s Batman Begins. It´s only among post-crisis fanoys that I see this obsession with making the movie seem so dated and forgotten.

Explain the influence it had on Nolan's Batman, or even Raimi's Spider-Man? I don't care anything about pre-crisis or post crisis - Superman: The Movie was bad.

[Crook]

^ Both Nolan and Raimi have cited Donner's film as having influence. Specifically, casting and the origin story.

[StorminNorman]

But to what degree? I mean I understand that Superman: The Movie made the Superhero film industry and that every Superhero films owes something to it, but what real influence did Superman: The Movie have on Batman Begins?

[Crook]

Casting a non-famous face in the lead role and surrounding him with acting vets to provide legitimacy in the film. And devoting half the movie to the character prior to his heroic transformation.

[bunk]

I enjoy the Donner origin.

Still, it could be vastly improved. The emotion isn't even really there, mostly because the Kryptonians are sort of robotic and cold. I watched the opening scene of Star Trek and thought "this is the type of emotion I want in a Superman origin".

It would be worth redoing the origin just to see a full on lively Kryptonian city in all it's CG glory.

[StorminNorman]

Casting a non-famous face in the lead role and surrounding him with acting vets to provide legitimacy in the film. And devoting half the movie to the character prior to his heroic transformation.

Thats...a bit of a stretch. I mean I understand that Raimi and Nolan referenced it...but really, it wasn't significant.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Thats...a bit of a stretch. I mean I understand that Raimi and Nolan referenced it...but really, it wasn't significant.

Hmm, I think Raimi was more influenced by STM than Nolan actually. Someone posted similar frames of Spidey and STM for comparison before, pretty crazy :o

[Crook]

Thats...a bit of a stretch. I mean I understand that Raimi and Nolan referenced it...but really, it wasn't significant.
Certainly nothing that is immediately owed solely to Donner, but I would say it's pretty significant. Casting and story outlines are the basic foundations of these films.

[Kal-El Fan]

Hell, all three Spider-Man films are direct parallels to the first three Superman films. You have the origin (complete with shirt-rip, mind you and the famous up, up and away line). In the second, Peter loses his powers, and learns why he MUST be Spider-Man/why the world needs a Spider-Man. In the third, he "goes bad" and redeems himself. I know these are all based on Spidey stories as well, but the comparison/allegory to Superman is clearly there.

[Antonello Blueberry]

Those movies are dated and they are stupid as hell, IMO. I agree that Superman has never been FULLY explored in a live-action movie. STM is incredibly campy and dated. THe origin is the ONLY REASONABLE WAY to go with the next movie.
Give me STM over Transformers every day. These suckers are stupid.

[knowsbleed]

Even Transformers:The Movie 1986? :csad:

[afan]

No, that's not what I said.

Some people say they don't like that Superman causes the Earth to reverse it's rotation and go back in time by flying around it very fast.....I am saying that Superman flies around and around the Earth attaining and surpassing the speed of light, and thus goes back in time (that is one of the theories on the possibility of time travel, going past the speed of light breaks the time barrier).....and the movie shows that he is going back in time in two ways....one is showing the Earth no longer rotating in it's normal direction, but going backwards (as if time was in the process of reversing) and the second way is showing the things that had happened before (the dam breaking, etc...) also reversing, and going back to the point that Superman wants it to rebegin at.

Forgive me, I may be dense, but I am still reading that you are saying Superman travels back in time rather than reverses time. They are quite different. Reversing time and erasing the events that had occurred would constitue interfering with human history, while time travel in and of itself does not necessarily do so.

I'm not arguing against your hypothesis, in many ways it is more interesting as it creates in theory at least a timeline where Lois is dead, and Superman is gone. It's just that it makes Superman's defiance of Jor-el's edict forbidding such interference, less important.

[Fresh Prince]

Hell, all three Spider-Man films are direct parallels to the first three Superman films. You have the origin (complete with shirt-rip, mind you and the famous up, up and away line). In the second, Peter loses his powers, and learns why he MUST be Spider-Man/why the world needs a Spider-Man. In the third, he "goes bad" and redeems himself. I know these are all based on Spidey stories as well, but the comparison/allegory to Superman is clearly there.

Yeah Spiderman movies did take stuff from Donner's films. BB did so too with Bruce Wayne traveling the world. And in the second film he understand why Gotham needs Batman. And in the third film he bascially will be the bad guy like Superman was in the 3rd cause he will be on the run by the cops.

[Mostpowerful]

Explain the influence it had on Nolan's Batman, or even Raimi's Spider-Man? I don't care anything about pre-crisis or post crisis - Superman: The Movie was bad.

I disagree. Superman The Movie is a great film. It's a classic for a reason. I love it because Donner got the essence of the character totally right. Sure the film is not flawless, but what film is; the villains were too campy and the turning back time was lazy and a cop out, but Christopher Reeve's sold the scene with his acting, imo. You could see the intensity and desperation on his face. He makes it work and makes you forget --at least for a moment-- the absurdity of it all.


But to what degree? I mean I understand that Superman: The Movie made the Superhero film industry and that every Superhero films owes something to it, but what real influence did Superman: The Movie have on Batman Begins?

You are contradicting yourself here.


I enjoy the Donner origin.

Still, it could be vastly improved. The emotion isn't even really there, mostly because the Kryptonians are sort of robotic and cold. I watched the opening scene of Star Trek and thought "this is the type of emotion I want in a Superman origin".

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What?! :huh: Jor-El and Lara didn't seem cold to me at all. I find the Farawell to baby Kal-El scene incredibly moving. LOVE IT. It brings me to tears every freakin time.

Also, the scenes between young Clark and Pa kent ("You're here for a reason"), as well as his death are very compelling and emotional. Most of the Smallville scenes are compelling.

Epic, beautiful film.

[BATZARRO WWD]

Hell, all three Spider-Man films are direct parallels to the first three Superman films. You have the origin (complete with shirt-rip, mind you and the famous up, up and away line). In the second, Peter loses his powers, and learns why he MUST be Spider-Man/why the world needs a Spider-Man. In the third, he "goes bad" and redeems himself. I know these are all based on Spidey stories as well, but the comparison/allegory to Superman is clearly there.

Oh, no! Does that mean that the next Spider-Man film will be..."The Quest for Peace-ey"? AAAAAAH!

[bunk]

What?! :huh: Jor-El and Lara didn't seem cold to me at all. I find the Farawell to baby Kal-El scene incredibly moving. LOVE IT. It brings me to tears every freakin time.

Also, the scenes between young Clark and Pa kent ("You're here for a reason"), as well as his death are very compelling and emotional. Most of the Smallville scenes are compelling.

Epic, beautiful film.

I'm not referring to Smallville. Brando totally phoned that performance in. I don't know how anyone can think that the Krypton scenes can't be envisioned and executed far better than it was in '78.

[SuperDaniel]

^Exactely.

[SuperDaniel]

^Exactely.

[solidsnake86]

Obviously begins and spider-man borrowed things from STM, but they made it better. Which is what most of us are asking for. It can be done, after watching iron man, spider-man, and batman I don't blame most of us for not being content with STM. So many better ideas in the comics alone would make for a more interesting origin story that it needs to be retold. No kidding directors reference STM, it did it first, which all of us respect, but its time to move on and stop thinking that most people have even watched a film from 30 years ago, let alone remember it. Especially the kids that bring money to these franchises.

[The Democrat]

I'm sure that movie was great when first viewed. After all, it did make people believe a man could fly. But honestly, if it premiered at the box office now, as is with only technical updates. If they pulled a Psycho and shot it frame for frame as it is it would be roundly panned and this entire site would explode in a fevered fury. It's dated, deal with it. I'm not saying it didn't have it's influence and that it wasn't good for the time but frankly by today's standards it's like watching a slightly better version of the live action Spiderman show. It's absurd. Superman's origin is so ripe with emotional impact that I'm surprised people look at STM as if it were definitive. Clark goes through essentially no transformation as a character, he learns ultimately nothing about himself and there are no repricussions for his life. It's as if he just was crapped out of Smallville completely intact. He travels to the Fortress and is once again crapped out as Superman completely intact. There is little to no exploration of his inner conflict, being torn by his identity and his role in the world. I mean for crying out loud he loves Lois but almost never considers that he is an alien. There is no fear of her accepting his ancestry. His caution is all about protecting Clark Kent. There is little to no conflict about his being an orphan. There is little to no conflict about how he can use his powers help mankind. In essence it's like "well I was raised by these good folks so I'm a good person, I've been given the accumulated knowledge of one of the most advanced alien races in the universe so I'll put on tights and a cape and beat up a bald guy and catch helicopters, well I love Lois so I'll just stalk her, never consider how I may impact her life and do everything I can to protect my identity from her just because. I'm Superman accept it audience." That is what needs to be swept away. We need answers, actions and consequences. We need a realistic take that looks at Superman as less than just a fully conceived character. People may know his story but it's not as if they understand how it shaped who he becomes and ultimately what he means to his world.

[Superman Prime]

Brando didn't phone in the performance. His voice at times was dripping with what could very, very easily be mistaken for real emotion. Especially when he was lecturing Superman on the dangers of vanity.

[afan]

Brando didn't phone in the performance. His voice at times was dripping with what could very, very easily be mistaken for real emotion. Especially when he was lecturing Superman on the dangers of vanity.

Love those scenes..........but.....
If I recall correctly he wanted to. I seem to recall that he wanted Jor-el's words to come from a box, releasing him(Brando)from needing to be present on set.

I may be seeing something that isn't there, but at the end of his words to Kal-el on Krypton just before the camera cuts I could swear he is about to laugh.

[Superman Prime]

Well if that had been the case, I guess you could say he was literally "phoning in the performance." Not in the way that I think bunk meant though.

[GreenKToo]

Whats up with all the S:TM bashing? of course the effects look dated, its a 30 yr old film. So is Star Wars for that matter. Yes both have their flaws be todays standards, but they're 30 yr old films. How many films have been influenced by both since then?

If S:TM had never happened back then and was made today using the exact same story etc, would it look silly? of course not. It would look amazing using todays technology.

Folks are jaded and spoiled after seeing what todays tech can bring to the big screen. Yes we deserve a new, more action filled superman film, but please, lets not bash the one that started it all.

[Superman Prime]

I agree. There are some aspects, the effects as you mention, that are silly to criticize S:TM for.

[bunk]

Well if that had been the case, I guess you could say he was literally "phoning in the performance." Not in the way that I think bunk meant though.

In the sense he never bothered to learn the dialog, instead opting to have cue cards placed where he could see them. That kind of phoning it in. I'm not saying he didn't pull it off, only that Jor-El could be more.

[ultimatefan]

Let me make a comparison to illustrate my problem with the origin thing.

Recently, I read Birthright. It was, like a lot expect the new Supes movie to be, an attempt to retell the origin with a more "today" feel. It was done by a top comics writer, Mark Waid, who you can tell knows the Superman lore. It was well-written, and beautifully illustrated. Had some nice twists and tweaks. The problem is... It didn´t feel special. It never made me feel, "wow, this is the fresh take Superman needed". Okay, the Africa stuff was pretty cool, with Supes getting involved in such a real world conflict and learning from it.But that was a piece of it, one that can be used in future Superman stuff, as a flashback or prologue or something.

The first few pages show, and there are Jor-El and Lara again saying goodbye and putting their son on the ship... And I´m bored already. I don´t care for whatever little twists and tweaks he´s adding to it, deep down it´s same old, same old. The ship leaves, the planet is destroyed, it arrives on Earth, the Kents find it, they raise Clark, help him figure out his destiny, he eventually finds out he´s from Krypton, etc. There´s hardly anything really new, nothing to justify spend a big chunk of a movie telling this all over again. I like some of the Lex stuff too, but Lex again? Please no.

On the other hand, I also recently read the first year or so of All Star Superman. Also done by top comics creatores, well-written and beautifully illustrated. The difference is, it DID feel special. Of course it borrows a lot from the craziness of the silver age of Superman, but that´s what´s cool about it, that it takes from a period of his stories that most modern writers try to avoid for considering too over-the-top, or silly, or whatever, and he makes it work. He makes it clever, and updates it, and makes it all feel fresh again. And he didn´t have to go back to the frikking origin yet again. I´m not saying I want to see All Star Superman: The Movie, necessarily. But that´s the kinda thing I wanna see. Something that is Superman, yet has a fresh and different feel to it. Not get back to Donner, and not go back to the origin either. But look ahead. He is, after all, the Man Of Tomorrow.

[SuperDaniel]

Its no bashing STM. It's the fact people can't let it go of the movie and think of it as the holy grail, be all/end all of Superman stories. It isn't. Birthright sucked that's why it didn't feel special. Go read Superman for all seasons for the best origin/ year one story for Superman ever. Even Action Comics #800 is also better than Birthright.

Birthright has some nice elements but the origin in a the next movie should be told in a non linear way. We should start with Clark traveling around the world, doind some deeds in secrecy and then something encourages him to go to Metropolis. But First, he drops by Smallville to tell his parents this idea he's been having, that he doesn't want to save people in secrecy anymore. Meenwhile, we also have flashbacks of his childhood and then we cut to Metropolis, Superman's first appearence. Later in the movie, Braniac arrives, causes chaos on Earth, tells Superman of his kryptonian origin and there we go. It is that easy. A modern reintroduction thousand times better than Superman the movie, with action and a lot of fun.

[GreenKToo]

I want the new film to have absolutely ZERO to do with the donnerverse, but I can still respect it for what it was, which was a fantastic film for its time.

[solidsnake86]

I don't think anyones bashing it. Its just necessary to say that it does have flaws because some on here don't seem to think so. Should Batman & Robin not be bashed because it ultimately got us this new series? There is a place for STM, which is back in the 70's along with the adam west batman, lets not use it to look forward because SR did and look where that got this franchise. And if STM was made today it would be silly even if it looked great, even in SR some of those luthor scenes made most cringe.

[GreenKToo]

Oh I know it has its flaws. most 30 yr old films do. B&R just plain ole sucked lol.
And I do want a brand new take on Superman, origin and all, with no crystal cities this time I hope.

[solidsnake86]

I don't even want a linear origin like superman the movie. For me they could even start with Clark going to the daily planet for the first time and do some flashbacks. I know it gets said but they really need to do it like begins.

[Superman Prime]

I really like ultimatefan's ideas for the story. Have Superman rely on other advantages besides his superpowers to best Darkseid. And then, at the film's climax, maybe restore his powers so he can kick some serious ass to finish the job. Show that his superpowers make things easier, but aren't the sole solution to every problem he faces. It would certainly shut the mouths of people who complain that Superman is too powerful to be interesting.

I'm almost tempted to start writing my own script.

[GreenKToo]

If I had my choice i'd start it off with an established Superman and have the origin in flashbacks, like when Brainiac, or whatever villain has beat him down. Superman would think back and remember things.
But since I dont have my choice, I fully expect a full blown origin tale.

[Fresh Prince]

STM was good but we need to get away from that as it was good then but just as campy as Batman 60s show was. Now for a Superman movie just reboot it start off fresh and clean. Just have the birthright storyline were they show flashbacks of Clark's orgins and in the present Clark is starting to work at the Dailey Plaent and starting as Superman.

[ultimatefan]

I really like ultimatefan's ideas for the story. Have Superman rely on other advantages besides his superpowers to best Darkseid. And then, at the film's climax, maybe restore his powers so he can kick some serious ass to finish the job. Show that his superpowers make things easier, but aren't the sole solution to every problem he faces. It would certainly shut the mouths of people who complain that Superman is too powerful to be interesting.

I'm almost tempted to start writing my own script.

Thanks yeah, cuz that´s something we haven´t quite seen. We saw Supes lose his powers, but not actually fight the bad guys with his powers either neutralized or significantly reduced, especially not in a world that´s hostile towards him.

I don´t think Superman The Movie is flawless. I just don´t think it´s so flawed or so dated that you have to get back and redo the full origin story again.

[Fresh Prince]

I rather they just do a Godfather Part 2 like Superman film with flashbacks and present day form.

[bunk]

I'd go flashbacks too. It would be an established Superman, possibly with Clark and Lois already married. A few key flashbacks would be relevant to the plot, but also used to refresh everyone's memory.

[Fresh Prince]

No romance please leave that drama out. I want action. Drama too but do not make this Lois & Clark please.

[Superman Prime]

I don't care if there's a little romance, but I don't want it taking up any more than a few minutes of screen time. And for goodness sake, give us a Lois that we can believe Superman could fall in love with. Kidder was a stretch, but Bosworth didn't cut the cake at all. Her character was damn near devoid of any attractive qualities. She was clearly someone who Superman would have no interest in.

[NewYorkSpider]

I think you always have to have that romance between Lois and Superman. And I agree, it shouldn't take up the whole movie.

[Crook]

Let me make a comparison to illustrate my problem with the origin thing.

Recently, I read Birthright. It was, like a lot expect the new Supes movie to be, an attempt to retell the origin with a more "today" feel. It was done by a top comics writer, Mark Waid, who you can tell knows the Superman lore. It was well-written, and beautifully illustrated. Had some nice twists and tweaks. The problem is... It didn´t feel special. It never made me feel, "wow, this is the fresh take Superman needed". Okay, the Africa stuff was pretty cool, with Supes getting involved in such a real world conflict and learning from it.But that was a piece of it, one that can be used in future Superman stuff, as a flashback or prologue or something.

The first few pages show, and there are Jor-El and Lara again saying goodbye and putting their son on the ship... And I´m bored already. I don´t care for whatever little twists and tweaks he´s adding to it, deep down it´s same old, same old. The ship leaves, the planet is destroyed, it arrives on Earth, the Kents find it, they raise Clark, help him figure out his destiny, he eventually finds out he´s from Krypton, etc. There´s hardly anything really new, nothing to justify spend a big chunk of a movie telling this all over again. I like some of the Lex stuff too, but Lex again? Please no.

On the other hand, I also recently read the first year or so of All Star Superman. Also done by top comics creatores, well-written and beautifully illustrated. The difference is, it DID feel special. Of course it borrows a lot from the craziness of the silver age of Superman, but that´s what´s cool about it, that it takes from a period of his stories that most modern writers try to avoid for considering too over-the-top, or silly, or whatever, and he makes it work. He makes it clever, and updates it, and makes it all feel fresh again. And he didn´t have to go back to the frikking origin yet again. I´m not saying I want to see All Star Superman: The Movie, necessarily. But that´s the kinda thing I wanna see. Something that is Superman, yet has a fresh and different feel to it.
Clever, different, modern, and fresh.

That's something practically everyone here wants, yet you hold it against anyone that has the origin in sights as well. Here is what you did. You took two examples of stories that interpreted a certain Superman era for the modern age. One involved the origin, the other did not. You happened to like the latter. And you've somehow concluded that as a result of this, any modern interpretation of the origin cannot succeed. The problem isn't the origin, it's that you completely hate it's existence for whatever personal reason.

It's the same exact reasoning people use against Robin, Catwoman, or outlandish Batman villains. Quite important elements in the mythos, but because of personal dislike, they want that aspect completely ignored. Not how the world works. A good story is a good story. I'm more than convinced we get something entirely different from what we've seen/imagined of Superman's world, origin included...it'd be a monstrous success. This world is too rich and wide in scope to not have that type of impact again.

Not get back to Donner, and not go back to the origin either. But [B]look ahead. He is, after all, the Man Of Tomorrow.
Yet a mere modern interpretation of the SILVER AGE is completely fine? He-llo? Can we stick with one position?

[Retroman]

Thats...a bit of a stretch. I mean I understand that Raimi and Nolan referenced it...but really, it wasn't significant.

Batman Begins, Nolan uses Superman as filmmaking template

Feature by: Jack Foley

HARD as it is to believe, but the origins of Christopher Nolan's Batman Begins actually lie within another super-hero movie - namely, Superman.

Having become attached to the project, Nolan confessed to using Richard Donner's 1978 classic as the template for how to re-imagine the ailing Batman franchise.

"I was looking back to a great era of blockbuster filmmaking from the late 70s where, I think, Hollywood films were doing some really marvellous escapist entertainment on a grand scale," he told the London press conference.

"All of those films, such as Raiders of the Lost Ark, the first Star Wars, Superman, etc, were done over here [in England].

"And the model I’d particularly been looking at was the 1978 Superman that Richard Donner made.

"They did a certain amount of location shooting in New York for that film but everything else was done over here at Pinewood Studios.

"Similarly, what really makes a film have that marvellous scale is having a wonderful cast of the finest actors and recognisable faces playing even some of the smallest roles.

"In Superman, Donner had Marlon Brando, Gene Hackman and Glenn Ford, an extraordinary ensemble, so that was very much what we were aspiring to.

"We sort of dared to ask some of the finest actors to take on these roles and I was able to put together a dream cast. It's no less than Batman deserves, really."

Batman Begins arguably boasts an even better cast than Superman, featuring Christian Bale as Bruce Wayne/Batman, Katie Holmes, Sir Michael Caine, Liam Neeson, Gary Oldman, Morgan Freeman and Tom Wilkinson to name but a few. Likewise, Raimi didn’t have time to check up on all the previous comics-to-film adaptations, in spite of his best intentions. “That was my plan,” he says. “I thought to myself early in pre-production ‘I’m going to watch every superhero picture ever made, and I’ll try to understand why they work and why they don’t work.’ But suddenly I was overwhelmed with this outrageously gigantic job of making Spider-Manand pre-production with all its departments and responsibilities, and as far as I got was the first half of Superman I. And I never got to see the rest. I saw X-Men then. So I can’t say it’s based on those pictures or that I had time to learn from them. I remembered how much I loved the first half of Superman I and X-Men was a blast, but I never got around to [any other films].”

The first Superman film sold itself with the tagline: “You Will Believe A Man Can Fly.” Raimi faced a similar challenge with his web-slinger: not only using special effects to create shots of incredible action, but also using the actors and dialogue to create a sense of believability that allowed audiences to hook into the picture on an emotional level. “They did a great job with Superman,” says Raimi, citing director Richard Donner in particular. “I love that picture. It’s really emotional and uplifting and bright and wonderful, and you did believe that a man could fly in that film. They were successful. They were great effects…. We’re faced with the great challenge of making Spider-Man believable. The kids really want to soar with Spider-Man 60 stories up. They want to dance with him in this aerial acrobatics that he performs. And those illusions are…accomplished a lot of different ways. I don’t want to reveal too much because I don’t want to spoil for the kids and have them start picking them apart as tricks. I want them to be swept up into the thing. But suffice to say that Tobey [Maguire]’s performing a lot of the [action] himself with backgrounds put in and John Dykstra helping him with some CGI.”SOURCE:http://www.indielondon.co.uk/film/batman_begins_nolanfeat.html
http://cinefantastiqueonline.com/2009/06/02/retrospective-interview-sam-raimi-on-swinging-from-evil-dead-to-spider-man/

[afan]

I think you always have to have that romance between Lois and Superman. And I agree, it shouldn't take up the whole movie.

The romance is in the eye of the beholder, the GA.
There should be "something" between Lois, Superman and Clark, but it should never be a starry eyed lovey dovey thing. It should remain an attraction that is never allowed to escolate into an intimate relationship.

For the GA that's where the romance lies.

The greatest romantic tales out there are based on this, sure generally the guy gets the girl, the girl gets the guy(or the guy gets the guy, the girl gets the girl), but that's at the happy ending of the story, however I dare say the most powerful romantic tales are those that lack the "happy ending" with some dramatic device denying the intimacy.

[bunk]

That's why I would fast forward their relationship to marriage or somewhere close in a reboot. I don't need to see the back and forth flirty stage, but a fully formed adult relationship I could see feeling new and being useful. To say there should be no romance between the two and only action, is a stance I probably gave up when I left the fifth grade.

[Angeloz]

That's why I would fast forward their relationship to marriage or somewhere close in a reboot. I don't need to see the back and forth flirty stage, but a fully formed adult relationship I could see feeling new and being useful. To say there should be no romance between the two and only action, is a stance I probably gave up when I left the fifth grade.

If they did a new version I wouldn't mind seeing something like that. It'd mean they'd grown up. If they wanted romance they could do flashbacks. That said I want a film with Brandon in it for now.

Angeloz

[afan]

Interestingly enough.....films or TV series dealing with married couples are very rarely of the romance genre more often they are comedies.

[Fresh Prince]

I just want Superman fighting someone this time instead of the air.

[BenReilly]

SOURCE:http://www.indielondon.co.uk/film/batman_begins_nolanfeat.html
http://cinefantastiqueonline.com/2009/06/02/retrospective-interview-sam-raimi-on-swinging-from-evil-dead-to-spider-man/

Not to mention Nolan and Raimi have referenced STM as the greatest superhero film ever made.

That kind of talk makes Dark Knight director Christopher Nolan cringe. He still considers the original Superman the best comic-book movie ever made and doesn't buy that his Batman saga has brought a new pedigree to the genre.

http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2009-01-20-dark-knight-oscars_N.htm

Raimi also made similar comments around the time Spider-Man 2 was released. It's clear both men think very highly of the film and consider it to be the best of the genre.

[Fresh Prince]

TDK was better then STM. Better acting, better plot.

[Superman Prime]

TDK barely had a plot.

[Angeloz]

Superman wouldn't need a technological device to track someone. He already has his hearing. ;)

Angeloz

[Fresh Prince]

TDK barely had a plot.

It had a plot.

[Fresh Prince]

I'm sorry but S:TM overrated highly overrated. It was campy as hell. Lex Luthor was lame and did he need a partner? Especially a lame ome at that? And Luthor plot was so corny it was not even funny. And he havign a wife was pointless too. Also him living under ground give me a break he the richest man in the city and one of in the world he should of not lived under ground. I can understand if that was his secret base or anything to plot stuff but that was his home.

Also Lois Lane was ugly. Can you really say she looked good? Hell no! And the whole opening with Kyrptone blowing up was lame. Should of had a better opening then that. Good for its time I guess but overrated.

[sdc10]

TDK barely had a plot.

It had a much better plot than a depressed, stalker superman and a bastard child

[Angeloz]

And has such an uplifting ending. :p

Angeloz

[Superman Prime]

It had a plot.

Barely. What made it great were some of the performances.

[Crook]

TDK barely had a plot.
WOW. Hyperbolic much?

[Showtime]

Rob at IESB certainly knows how to throw a party. Routh and Singer will be there among many others.

Poynt Presents IESB.net's Wrath of Con, San Diego Comic Con International most celebrated after-party. The event will feature special performance by Daughtry and bring together the biggest names in Hollywood, online and TV. Hundreds of personalities and industry veterans are confirmed to attend this annual bash.

When: Friday, July 24, 2009
Press check-in begins at 8:15 pm
Red carpet arrivals begin at 9:00 pm

Where: Hard Rock Hotel San Diego
207 5th Avenue, San Diego, CA 92101

Also confirmed to attend: Ryan Reynolds (Wolverine, The Proposal), Brandon Routh (Dead of Night, Scott Pilgrim vs. the World), Zack Snyder (300, Watchmen), Stan Lee (Co-creator Spider-Man, X-Men, Hulk), Roberto Orci (Star Trek, Transformers, Fringe), Alex Kurtzman (Star Trek, Transformers, Fringe), Zachary Levi (Chuck), Sam Huntington (Dead of Night, Fanboys), Anita Briem (Dead of Night), Seth Green (Robot Chicken), Kevin Munroe (TMNT, Dead of Night), Tom DeSanto (X-Men, Transformers), Joss Whedon (Dollhouse, Firefly), David Boreanaz (Bones, Angel), Keifer Sutherland (24), Alexander Skarsgard (TruBlood), Nathan Fillion (Castle, Firefly), Ray Park (G.I.Joe: Rise of Cobra), Bryan Singer (Valkyrie, Superman Returns), Jimmy Heyward (Jonah Hex), Tyrese Gibson (Transformers), Richard Kelly (The Box), Emily Deschanel (Bones), Eliza Dushku (Dollhouse), Nestor Carbonell (LOST), Katee Sackoff (Battlestar Galactica, 24), Emma Stone (Zombieland), Jaime King (My Bloody Valentine), Masi Oka (Heroes), James Kyson Lee (Heroes), Kyle Newman (Fanboys), Clifton Collins Jr. (Star Trek, Boondock Saints II), Doug Jones (Angel of Death, Hellboy), Milo Ventimiglia (Heroes), Ted Raimi (Angel of Death), Zoe Bell (Angel of Death), Jon Heder (Napoleon Dynamite) plus musical group Daughtry, TNA Wrestling stars Kurt Angle, Chris Daniels, Suicide, Motorcity Machine Guns and Traci Brooks. Others will be added as they are received.

[Superark]

Rob at IESB certainly knows how to throw a party. Routh and Singer will be there among many others.


would love to see the pics from that party!

[Fresh Prince]

Barely. What made it great were some of the performances.

It did have a plot and story. Performances was not what made that movie the story arc and great acting did aswell. Superman:TM is highly overrated.

[NewYorkSpider]

I fail to see how Superman The Movie is overrated.

[bunk]

I don't like the term "overrated" to begin with. It's completely subjective unless your specifically talking about some sort of movie ranking.

[Superman Prime]

It did have a plot and story. Performances was not what made that movie the story arc and great acting did aswell. Superman:TM is highly overrated.

I never, ever, said it didn't.

[Fresh Prince]

I don't like the term "overrated" to begin with. It's completely subjective unless your specifically talking about some sort of movie ranking.

They rank Superman:TM #1 comic book movie when its like #7 or it should be. Comic book movies I have ahead of S:TM are.

#1 The Dark Knight
#2 Spiderman 2
#3 Superman 2
#4 X-Men 2
#5 Batman Begins
#6 Spiderman
#7 Superman: The Movie

Those first 6 films better then S:TM.

[Fresh Prince]

I never, ever, said it didn't.

Oh okay.

[Angeloz]

[/b]

They rank Superman:TM #1 comic book movie when its like #7 or it should be. Comic book movies I have ahead of S:TM are.

#1 The Dark Knight
#2 Spiderman 2
#3 Superman 2
#4 X-Men 2
#5 Batman Begins
#6 Spiderman
#7 Superman: The Movie

Those first 6 films better then S:TM.

That's your opinion. Not everyone elses. That said why argue over such a subjective thing? 'Cos we can?

Angeloz

[afan]

I'm sorry but S:TM overrated highly overrated. It was campy as hell. Lex Luthor was lame and did he need a partner? Especially a lame ome at that? And Luthor plot was so corny it was not even funny. And he havign a wife was pointless too. Also him living under ground give me a break he the richest man in the city and one of in the world he should of not lived under ground. I can understand if that was his secret base or anything to plot stuff but that was his home.

Also Lois Lane was ugly. Can you really say she looked good? Hell no! And the whole opening with Kyrptone blowing up was lame. Should of had a better opening then that. Good for its time I guess but overrated.

:huh:

[Alien Anal]

Would a thread on "The reality of what we will most likely get" provoke discussion?

[darthlaney]

I'm sorry but S:TM overrated highly overrated. It was campy as hell. Lex Luthor was lame and did he need a partner? Especially a lame ome at that? And Luthor plot was so corny it was not even funny. And he havign a wife was pointless too. Also him living under ground give me a break he the richest man in the city and one of in the world he should of not lived under ground. I can understand if that was his secret base or anything to plot stuff but that was his home.

Also Lois Lane was ugly. Can you really say she looked good? Hell no! And the whole opening with Kyrptone blowing up was lame. Should of had a better opening then that. Good for its time I guess but overrated.


S_TM is 30 years old and you are comapring it with TDK - c'mon.

The action sequences for the introduction of Superman still stands up, even surpasses most if not all of those movies listed - while the effects used at the time have aged - the sequence has far more iconisim and emotion that all of the films you have compare it against.

Finally, you need to re-watch the movie, Margot Kidder at the beginning of the series is far from ugly, Luthor was not married, but did have a very busty "girl friend" and he's a fraudster, not a millionaire, as a criminal it wouldn't be smart for him to live out in the open. Not sure what you found lame about Krypton blowing up - the film had to start somewhere - so it started with fairly accurate Superman lore.

S-TM is a great movie - its stood the test of time and like Star Wars was made at a time when these types of movies weren't made - they were ground breaking. Without its success there would not be a Batman, Spiderman or Iron Man movie.

Respect where its due - to say it is over-rated is simply naive.

[Alien Anal]

double post sorry

[Alien Anal]

http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg18/AlienAnal/superman_by_everyonesname.jpg

This again is not mine, it belongs to an artist on Deviant Art

I would not be against seeing a feature length animation of Superman done in this tone for my Official superman movie.

OF course we wont....but still. it would be nice

[Mostpowerful]

S_TM is 30 years old and you are comapring it with TDK - c'mon.

The action sequences for the introduction of Superman still stands up, even surpasses most if not all of those movies listed - while the effects used at the time have aged - the sequence has far more iconisim and emotion that all of the films you have compare it against.

Finally, you need to re-watch the movie, Margot Kidder at the beginning of the series is far from ugly, Luthor was not married, but did have a very busty "girl friend" and he's a fraudster, not a millionaire, as a criminal it wouldn't be smart for him to live out in the open. Not sure what you found lame about Krypton blowing up - the film had to start somewhere - so it started with fairly accurate Superman lore.

S-TM is a great movie - its stood the test of time and like Star Wars was made at a time when these types of movies weren't made - they were ground breaking. Without its success there would not be a Batman, Spiderman or Iron Man movie.

Respect where its due - to say it is over-rated is simply naive.

And ignorant.

Great post.

[bunk]

[/b]

They rank Superman:TM #1 comic book movie when its like #7 or it should be. Comic book movies I have ahead of S:TM are.

#1 The Dark Knight
#2 Spiderman 2
#3 Superman 2
#4 X-Men 2
#5 Batman Begins
#6 Spiderman
#7 Superman: The Movie

Those first 6 films better then S:TM.

Who, exactly? Random people you've encountered I guess.

I'm talking about if say, Empire magazine ranked all the comic book movies. You could look at the list and say: "Superman II is overrated", and the term "overrated" would actually mean something.

[Fresh Prince]

Who, exactly? Random people you've encountered I guess.

I'm talking about if say, Empire magazine ranked all the comic book movies. You could look at the list and say: "Superman II is overrated", and the term "overrated" would actually mean something.

I meant to say I rank sorry for putting They. I was suppose to be their not They. Superman 2 better then S:TM. Not as campy and has better action and plot.

[Fresh Prince]

S_TM is 30 years old and you are comapring it with TDK - c'mon.

The action sequences for the introduction of Superman still stands up, even surpasses most if not all of those movies listed - while the effects used at the time have aged - the sequence has far more iconisim and emotion that all of the films you have compare it against.

Finally, you need to re-watch the movie, Margot Kidder at the beginning of the series is far from ugly, Luthor was not married, but did have a very busty "girl friend" and he's a fraudster, not a millionaire, as a criminal it wouldn't be smart for him to live out in the open. Not sure what you found lame about Krypton blowing up - the film had to start somewhere - so it started with fairly accurate Superman lore.

S-TM is a great movie - its stood the test of time and like Star Wars was made at a time when these types of movies weren't made - they were ground breaking. Without its success there would not be a Batman, Spiderman or Iron Man movie.

Respect where its due - to say it is over-rated is simply naive.

Listen I understand that but still not gonna sit up here and say it was a great film when now rewatching it its campy and a decent film at best. No thats how I feel why I have to feel like everyone esle its a decent campy film.

And what you mean Luthor have to lvie in hiding he is suppose to be a wealthy buisnessman who crimes are not put out on the streets cause no one but Superman and maybe Lois Lane has dirt on him. He not suppose to be living underground.

Also the action sequences was okay but them movies I named have better action then S:TM

And the kyrpton scene was lame cause they could of done more with that. Like how on STAS they did the Kyroptone opening thats how the movie should of been.

And Kiddler okay she not ugly i seen some pics just now she was okay not Lois Lane though sorry.

And i'm not being naive dude its called an opinion. And so what if S:TM was 30 years ago a film is a film no matter when it came out. People compare Batman 89 and that came out 20 years ago.

[afan]

And what you mean Luthor have to lvie in hiding he is suppose to be a wealthy buisnessman who crimes are not put out on the streets cause no one but Superman and maybe Lois Lane has dirt on him. He not suppose to be living underground.



You must have watched the version in which the scenes where the police detectives tail Otis in order to locate Luthor's lair were cut. Clearly he is a wanted criminal.

[solidsnake86]

S_TM is 30 years old and you are comapring it with TDK - c'mon.

The action sequences for the introduction of Superman still stands up, even surpasses most if not all of those movies listed - while the effects used at the time have aged - the sequence has far more iconisim and emotion that all of the films you have compare it against.

Finally, you need to re-watch the movie, Margot Kidder at the beginning of the series is far from ugly, Luthor was not married, but did have a very busty "girl friend" and he's a fraudster, not a millionaire, as a criminal it wouldn't be smart for him to live out in the open. Not sure what you found lame about Krypton blowing up - the film had to start somewhere - so it started with fairly accurate Superman lore.

S-TM is a great movie - its stood the test of time and like Star Wars was made at a time when these types of movies weren't made - they were ground breaking. Without its success there would not be a Batman, Spiderman or Iron Man movie.

Respect where its due - to say it is over-rated is simply naive.

Its stood the test of time to who exactly, the people who watched it when they were small and can't get over that its simply not as great as its made out to be. To say the action sequences are better than most of the films listed is really pushing it.

I respect it, but I really don't like the film and frankly another movie could and probably would have started the comic book movie trend if STM hadn't. Most should really be thanking Batman 89 for taking them seriously and really there would be a batman movie even if STM hadnt come out.

Posters than wonder why we got returns and they struggle with an origin story because the love for donner, especially pre-sr was through the roof and obviously still is.

[Venom'sDad]

There is a new generation of Superman fans... two generations to be exact. It's time to re-tell the tale. Bring it to todays movie going experience.

[Fresh Prince]

You must have watched the version in which the scenes where the police detectives tail Otis in order to locate Luthor's lair were cut. Clearly he is a wanted criminal.

I was saying why was he a wanted man in the first place? Lex Luthor is a billionaire and is hard to bring down. Superman with all the dirt he had could not bring him down. Took him years. Luthor became president of the US and everything. So why was he a wanted man? Why was he a regular criminal?

Come on they pretty much turned Lex Luthor into Howard Saint from The Punisher. He not an average criminal he a criminal mastermind whi is untouchable like the a mobster to bring down. Not a regular criminal come on.

[Fresh Prince]

Its stood the test of time to who exactly, the people who watched it when they were small and can't get over that its simply not as great as its made out to be. To say the action sequences are better than most of the films listed is really pushing it.

I respect it, but I really don't like the film and frankly another movie could and probably would have started the comic book movie trend if STM hadn't. Most should really be thanking Batman 89 for taking them seriously and really there would be a batman movie even if STM hadnt come out.

Posters than wonder why we got returns and they struggle with an origin story because the love for donner, especially pre-sr was through the roof and obviously still is.

Agreed even if they did not make a S:TM film they still would of made super hero movies. Besides Batman 89 wayyyyyyyyyyyy better then S:TM. And before people say Batman 89 had camp in it with Joker dancing to Prince song that was not camp. That was just Joker acting like a nutball which he is. Better then Luthor and his wig.

Sorry Batman89 deserves more credit then S:TM in my opinion.

[The Guard]

There's really no good reason to assume another major superhero movie would have started big budget superhero movies had SUPERMAN: THE MOVIE not paved the way. The BATMAN TV movie was just a tail end of a quick-burning fad. Superheroes certainly likely wouldn't have been treated remotely seriously had SUPERMAN: THE MOVIE not come along.

BATMAN is an indirect result of SUPERMAN: THE MOVIE to begin with. It began as a project called THE BATMAN, which was meant to be a companion piece of sorts to SUPERMAN: THE MOVIE, but never got off the ground. Elements of this were taken over by Tim Burton several years later, and became BATMAN.

SUPERMAN: THE MOVIE was pretty important.

[Fresh Prince]

Even if it was still a campy decent movie at best. Besides people still did not take super hero movies seriously even after S:TM was made. Only now they starting to take it seriously with TDK.

[darthlaney]

Even if it was still a campy decent movie at best. Besides people still did not take super hero movies seriously even after S:TM was made. Only now they starting to take it seriously with TDK.

Superman movies went until 1987 (4 movies)- which directly lead into Batman in '89 (4 movies)when WB realised that they needed a new direction. This lead to the Flash TV series - which received international attention and the rest of the Bat series of movies. However, like Superman WB lent too far into comedy and screwed this up also.

Luckily the X_men (3 movies) and Spiderman(3 movies) ressurected the Superherp movie franchise - Batman Begins then contributed by providing a more realistic appraoch to the genre - The Dark Knight simply road on the backs of all these movies before - but the genre has been credible for a longer period than you give it credit for. $$$$ made, make them credible. Attracting good actors and directors to these films will be what continues to make them profitable.

On another note - you keep referring to 'camp' - there is a difference between camp and including comedy elements - Batman the TV series was camp as was Batman and Robin the movie - at no time was S-TM camp - it did however include some comedic characters and elements. Superman isn't Batman - there is no need to make his world dark and grimy all of the time.

A Superman movie should a contrast to all of the Batman movies - not look to use exactly the same elements that made TDK so good.

Finally my point about the S-TM sequences vs modern superhero movie sequences, is not about the action level. Its about how the character is introduced and the reaction of the audience - S-TM did this the best - the helicopter rescue is iconic - the sequence could could easily be updated and used again in a modern film. While I want more action in the next Superman movie, this sequence in S-TM was uplifting, emotional and awe inspiring. They nailed how you should feel and react to Superman.

I believe that no other superhero movie has achieved this to same level of success since.

Happy to read others views on where this might have been done better.

[C. Lee]

I was saying why was he a wanted man in the first place? Lex Luthor is a billionaire and is hard to bring down. Superman with all the dirt he had could not bring him down. Took him years. Luthor became president of the US and everything. So why was he a wanted man? Why was he a regular criminal?

Come on they pretty much turned Lex Luthor into Howard Saint from The Punisher. He not an average criminal he a criminal mastermind whi is untouchable like the a mobster to bring down. Not a regular criminal come on.

When SUPERMAN THE MOVIE was made in 1978.....Lex Luthor in the comics was NOT a billionaire businessman....he was a wanted criminal. Many things have changed in the comic world in the last 30 years.

[Fresh Prince]

When SUPERMAN THE MOVIE was made in 1978.....Lex Luthor in the comics was NOT a billionaire businessman....he was a wanted criminal. Many things have changed in the comic world in the last 30 years.

Okay but was he a goofball like in the movie? Or a guy with a wig on his head? He was still campy in the movie.

[Fresh Prince]

Superman movies went until 1987 (4 movies)- which directly lead into Batman in '89 (4 movies)when WB realised that they needed a new direction. This lead to the Flash TV series - which received international attention and the rest of the Bat series of movies. However, like Superman WB lent too far into comedy and screwed this up also.

Luckily the X_men (3 movies) and Spiderman(3 movies) ressurected the Superherp movie franchise - Batman Begins then contributed by providing a more realistic appraoch to the genre - The Dark Knight simply road on the backs of all these movies before - but the genre has been credible for a longer period than you give it credit for. $$$$ made, make them credible. Attracting good actors and directors to these films will be what continues to make them profitable.

On another note - you keep referring to 'camp' - there is a difference between camp and including comedy elements - Batman the TV series was camp as was Batman and Robin the movie - at no time was S-TM camp - it did however include some comedic characters and elements. Superman isn't Batman - there is no need to make his world dark and grimy all of the time.

A Superman movie should a contrast to all of the Batman movies - not look to use exactly the same elements that made TDK so good.

Finally my point about the S-TM sequences vs modern superhero movie sequences, is not about the action level. Its about how the character is introduced and the reaction of the audience - S-TM did this the best - the helicopter rescue is iconic - the sequence could could easily be updated and used again in a modern film. While I want more action in the next Superman movie, this sequence in S-TM was uplifting, emotional and awe inspiring. They nailed how you should feel and react to Superman.

I believe that no other superhero movie has achieved this to same level of success since.

Happy to read others views on where this might have been done better.

With the whole chracter connection and all that TDK did better so yes a film has done better then S:TM in that department. TDk had characters people loved and all that.

[JAK®]

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With the whole chracter connection and all that TDK did better so yes a film has done better then S:TM in that department. TDk had characters people loved and all that.
Superman: The Movie came out in a time when the Batman TV show was the biggest comic book adaption. It was the first live-action superhero story that was taken seriously at all.

The Dark Knight came out 8 years after the current superhero movie fad started. 6 years after Spider-Man, which was the superhero movie that kicked it all off (following the template Superman: The Movie started), and was the sequel to Batman Begins, which was the third successful adaption of the character and once again followed the template that Superman: The Movie established.

Superman: The Movie did what The Dark Knight did, 30 years ago.

The Dark Knight may be 'better'. But only because it had the benefit of being released 30 years after the most defining superhero movie ever made.

[Fresh Prince]

Listen I respect S:TM I know what history it did for comic book movies but to say comic book movies would of never been made is not true their would still be comic book movies made and they be successful proably.

[DavidTyler]

Sorry to disagree, Darth, but S:TM WAS very much a campy movie. There were scenes that weren't... notably the Smallville scenes and the scenes on Krypton.... but Lex and co. were as campy as Chris Reeve's portrayal of Clark. It wasn't a 'comedy element', it was pure camp.

[Fresh Prince]

Sorry to disagree, Darth, but S:TM WAS very much a campy movie. There were scenes that weren't... notably the Smallville scenes and the scenes on Krypton.... but Lex and co. were as campy as Chris Reeve's portrayal of Clark. It wasn't a 'comedy element', it was pure camp.

Exactly and people get on B&R for that stuff. Bet you if B&R came out in 1977 it would of been a hit at the box office. And if S:TM came out in 97 it would of been a disaster.

[C. Lee]

Okay but was he a goofball like in the movie? Or a guy with a wig on his head? He was still campy in the movie.

Yes....he was a MAD scientist doing all kinds of goofy things to entrap Superman and take over the world.

Its OK to say that you don't like a particular movie or Tv show....but to complain that they aren't being faithful to the comics, when they are being faithful to them for the time they were made, is being blind. Read up on the history of things before you make blanket statements.

[Fresh Prince]

I did not say they was not faithful to the comics I said that the movie was highly overrated and a decent movie at best. And that people should not of judge B&R when S:TM had camp and all that stuff. Only thuing that got me was why Lex was a criminal hiding but since you cleared that up for me its cool. But still a campy film.

But its all good.

[Fresh Prince]

Anyways I wouldl ike the reboot Superman films to be based off Superman TAS.

[Superark]

Exactly and people get on B&R for that stuff. Bet you if B&R came out in 1977 it would of been a hit at the box office. And if S:TM came out in 97 it would of been a disaster.

To compare the camp between B&R and S:TM is a bit of a stretch. The level of camp is nowhere near the same. Not to mention Batman and Superman as characters are totally different and the camp placed on Batman was almost criminal.

[C. Lee]

I did not say they was not faithful to the comics I said that the movie was highly overrated and a decent movie at best. And that people should not of judge B&R when S:TM had camp and all that stuff. Only thuing that got me was why Lex was a criminal hiding but since you cleared that up for me its cool. But still a campy film.

But its all good.

I'm not tryng to argue...just pointing things out.

You complained that they had Lex as a criminal living in a secret lair acting goofy instead of being a billionaire businessman who even became President of the United States. At the time that the movie was made, Lex was a goofy criminal in hiding and was in no way whatsoever a respectable businessman. So....you were saying it wasn't being faithful to the comics, even though it was when it was made. The history of comics have changed a lot over the years. Companies have done massive reboots that have totally thrown out all their past issues and started with new backstories and origins of their characters.

You have made statements presented as facts in several other areas of the board talking about characters and what they do without understanding that the whole back storyline these movies were based on at the time they were made, has been now changed. You make blanket statements as if fact about things without taking into account when they were made. When I speak of characters and books that I don't know the history of, I say that. You really need to study up on some books if you want to make statements about them.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Exactly and people get on B&R for that stuff. Bet you if B&R came out in 1977 it would of been a hit at the box office. And if S:TM came out in 97 it would of been a disaster.

and if a dog and cat could mate, it would probably be called a "dat"

[The Democrat]

*Looks into future and see's this thread devolving into a pissing match between Batman and Superman fans*

Frankly I'll not argue that S:TM wasn't a good movie when it came out. I can't. I wasn't born until 1985. I wasn't there. I didn't see it. But really whether or not S:TM was good in '79 or was influential in shaping the way superhero films were made ever after has no bearing really on reintroducing Superman. My comments on the subject were simply intended to state my position that continuing the franchise established by S:TM was and remains a poor choice. It is a dated timeline that really doesn't reflect the character as it is now. It took years for DC writers and artists to stop writing and drawing Superman as Christopher Reeve portrayed him. Even now it pops up from time to time. But as it stands so much has happened, so much depth has been added in the intervening years to the characters in his world, that Superman is ripe for a serious minded live action movie that can capture all the magic that he has typified since 1938. My position is simple: reboot, reflect the ever changing world with an ever changing character but remain true to his core history and themes. Make it entertaining, exciting and enlightening and you will have your Superman franchise.

[Fresh Prince]

I'm not tryng to argue...just pointing things out.

You complained that they had Lex as a criminal living in a secret lair acting goofy instead of being a billionaire businessman who even became President of the United States. At the time that the movie was made, Lex was a goofy criminal in hiding and was in no way whatsoever a respectable businessman. So....you were saying it wasn't being faithful to the comics, even though it was when it was made. The history of comics have changed a lot over the years. Companies have done massive reboots that have totally thrown out all their past issues and started with new backstories and origins of their characters.

You have made statements presented as facts in several other areas of the board talking about characters and what they do without understanding that the whole back storyline these movies were based on at the time they were made, has been now changed. You make blanket statements as if fact about things without taking into account when they were made. When I speak of characters and books that I don't know the history of, I say that. You really need to study up on some books if you want to make statements about them.

I'm not either.

[Fresh Prince]

and if a dog and cat could mate, it would probably be called a "dat"

That made no sense.:hehe: Should of said something esle.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

I'm not either.

You don't have room too, C. Lee put you in your place :hehe::hehe:

[Fresh Prince]

You don't have room too, C. Lee put you in your place :hehe::hehe:

Be quiet dude he did not put me in my place, and I said I was not arguing with him cause I was stating opinions not trying to argue with people.

So get your facts straight before you try and clown someone.:o

[Antonello Blueberry]

and if a dog and cat could mate, it would probably be called a "dat"
In Italy we say "if my granny had wheels she would be a cart"

[DavidTyler]

I'm not tryng to argue...just pointing things out.

You complained that they had Lex as a criminal living in a secret lair acting goofy instead of being a billionaire businessman who even became President of the United States. At the time that the movie was made, Lex was a goofy criminal in hiding and was in no way whatsoever a respectable businessman. So....you were saying it wasn't being faithful to the comics, even though it was when it was made. The history of comics have changed a lot over the years. Companies have done massive reboots that have totally thrown out all their past issues and started with new backstories and origins of their characters.

You have made statements presented as facts in several other areas of the board talking about characters and what they do without understanding that the whole back storyline these movies were based on at the time they were made, has been now changed. You make blanket statements as if fact about things without taking into account when they were made. When I speak of characters and books that I don't know the history of, I say that. You really need to study up on some books if you want to make statements about them.

I need to correct you here:

At the time S:TM was made Luthor was not a goofy criminal living in an underground lair with two goofy assistants. He was a stereotypical mad scientist whose plots reflected the science fiction films of that day. In the later years of the George Reeves series, the plots and the villains (even though there was no Lex) got really campy. The supporting cast became stereotypes.

Getting back to the books though, There were silly plots running rampant like Lois trying to trick Superman into marrying her but Luthor was not really played for laughs until the Batman TV series became popular. Until then he had the occassional team-up with the Joker with more of the childish science fiction of the day but Luthor, the character himself, wasn't really much more than (as I said earlier) the stereotypical mad scientist. There was no Ms. Teschmacher or Otis. These things and the presentation of Lex as comedy was more or less the invention of Donner and Hackman.

I love the work of Gene Hackman and I don't really object to his portrayal of Lex as funny within the context of that film but it really smacks more of the Batman tv series than anything else. For the time it was appropriate (even though Gene's Luthor was more or less a throw-away villain from a forgotten epi of the Batman series).

Now, as to why we're even discussing this here... I'm a bit confused. Does anyone really want this interpretation back? I mean, seriously? I think it's pretty well established that most of the Hype posters are looking for the Byrne/Wolfman Luthor (corrupt corporate CEO).

[JAK®]

Gene Hackman played Luthor straight. It was his assistants that provided the comedy. The character itself was never 'camp', but his surroundings were.

[Webhead2006]

I said it many times it would be great to see corp/political lex on the big screen.

[Fresh Prince]

Gene Hackman played Luthor straight. It was his assistants that provided the comedy. The character itself was never 'camp', but his surroundings were.

Everything about Luthor was campy. Him having a wig, having a little kid in Superman 4 be his side kick, silly plots. Come on.

[Fresh Prince]

I need to correct you here:

At the time S:TM was made Luthor was not a goofy criminal living in an underground lair with two goofy assistants. He was a stereotypical mad scientist whose plots reflected the science fiction films of that day. In the later years of the George Reeves series, the plots and the villains (even though there was no Lex) got really campy. The supporting cast became stereotypes.

Getting back to the books though, There were silly plots running rampant like Lois trying to trick Superman into marrying her but Luthor was not really played for laughs until the Batman TV series became popular. Until then he had the occassional team-up with the Joker with more of the childish science fiction of the day but Luthor, the character himself, wasn't really much more than (as I said earlier) the stereotypical mad scientist. There was no Ms. Teschmacher or Otis. These things and the presentation of Lex as comedy was more or less the invention of Donner and Hackman.

I love the work of Gene Hackman and I don't really object to his portrayal of Lex as funny within the context of that film but it really smacks more of the Batman tv series than anything else. For the time it was appropriate (even though Gene's Luthor was more or less a throw-away villain from a forgotten epi of the Batman series).

Now, as to why we're even discussing this here... I'm a bit confused. Does anyone really want this interpretation back? I mean, seriously? I think it's pretty well established that most of the Hype posters are looking for the Byrne/Wolfman Luthor (corrupt corporate CEO).

Hell no leave Donnerverse to die. No more campy/lame Lex Luthor and silly plots with Superman and Clark being an idiot.

[Ita-KalEl]

People who expected something BIG from the Smallville panel are really pissed off.
They showed only a sort of Punisher-Matrix costume that will be used only for one episode. Another huge disappointment for Steve and the guys of Savesuperman.com.

[Man of Tomorrow]

Geoff Johns >>>>> Smallville


I'm most interested to see how he'll pull off the Justice Society of America in live action.


Too bad Alan Scott will likely be off the table; he's in Green Lantern The Movie.

[AgentPat]

People who expected something BIG from the Smallville panel are really pissed off.
They showed only a sort of Punisher-Matrix costume that will be used only for one episode. Another huge disappointment for Steve and the guys of Savesuperman.com.SV fans are miffed because TV Guild, EW and AICN all printed rumors of some "big announcement" that (as of this post) has not occurred. Who has the bigger disappointment? Two national publications and one of the largest rumor sites on the Net, or some self-proclaimed insider who ran with said rumors to the satisfaction of all of his 30 or so readers? :whatever:

[\S/JcDc\S/]

AICN reported the suit details.

Warner Bros. reps are grabbing random people at the show and giving them a sneak peek at the new Superman costume for Smallville. My friends and I were grabbed by one girl (details below) and taken to a room (down the stairs next to the giant Starbucks) and shown it.

It's gobsmackingly awesome! No spandex! It looked like leather. It's one suit: the top is blue at front and back, red on the sides and arms, the trousers are blue at the front and back,and red at thesides. the Superman symbol on the chest protruding out, was red. No cape. It was on a stand we could walk around.

There were no photos allowed. The lady (named Rosie, slightly bigger build, brown hair) said we could tell others at show to build hype.

[FilmNerdJamie]

The SS swore through "their sources" there would also be "a big announcement." So that doesn't absolve them from being wrong (yet again!)

And by 30 readers, the reality of the matter is its actually more like 10 - 15 at the most.

[Showtime]

As a avid watcher of the show I am sort of disappointed that there didn't turn out to be more news. Seems pretty obvious to me that this will end up being the last season, hence why Tom made an appearance. I think that was pretty cool for people in attendence.

All these ridiculous rumors obviously turned out not to be true, I'm shocked...

[AgentPat]

The SS swore through "their sources" there would also be "a big announcement." So that doesn't absolve them from being wrong (yet again!)I didn't say that it did. I just find it humorous that people here even read what's printed on that site, never mind waste time mocking it. Steve shot himself in the foot by condoning homophobic rhetoric and disgusting hatred on a website that was supposed to be about how to improve the Superman franchise, not mock it. Dude ****ed up. Big time. He should have kept those opinions to himself; they have no place in a discussion about Superman.

And by 30 readers, the reality of the matter is its actually more like 10 - 15 at the most.Are you one of them?

Seriously folks, TV Guild, Entertainment Weekly, even AICN.... Hello? Why single out some dip on a site read by "10 -15 people?" I think people need to refocus a bit. Just sayin. :)

[Angeloz]

As a avid watcher of the show I am sort of disappointed that there didn't turn out to be more news. Seems pretty obvious to me that this will end up being the last season, hence why Tom made an appearance. I think that was pretty cool for people in attendence.

All these ridiculous rumors obviously turned out not to be true, I'm shocked...

He did? Nice. Is the above rumour true that they're putting him in some kinky (possibly cool) leather outfit? :wow: ;) :p :hehe:

Now all I need to know is when everyone will have their minds wiped in order not to remember who he is. Sorry. I do like the show if I don't take the premise seriously.

Angeloz

[Showtime]

Woah Patty. Didn't you used to defend that site? I might be mistaken but I thought you used to follow what those two said?

[Showtime]

He did? Nice. Is the above rumour true that they're putting him in some kinky (possibly cool) leather outfit? :wow: ;) :p :hehe:

Now all I need to know is when everyone will have their minds wiped in order not to remember who he is. Sorry. I do like the show if I don't take the premise seriously.

Angeloz

The show is fine for what it is. I've watched both the really good and really bad of it. He is in some type of suit.

[FilmNerdJamie]

I know for a fact that you've spread their crap around in the past.

So you'll have to excuse me that I find it ironic that you're just now talking smack about them. :whatever:

[\S/JcDc\S/]

The show is fine for what it is. I've watched both the really good and really bad of it. He is in some type of suit.


It is a decent elseworld's adaption, though some of the liberties can make you shake your head. I don't like everything about SR, nor everything about SV. We need something better :o

[Man of Tomorrow]

AICN reported the suit details.

Yup. AICN was the first to start the Metropolis movie rumors AND the Blue/Red Leather proto-suit details.

Both false. 100% a hoax.




I think what happened is someone took Ausellio's news about Clark wearing the S on his chest this season (which was true of course) and spun it into that AICN suit rumor.


Of course AICN won't take any hits from this; since they explicitly stated it was a rumor from an untested source.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Yup. AICN was the first to start the Metropolis movie rumors AND the Blue/Red Leather proto-suit details.

Both false. 100% a hoax.




I think what happened is someone took Ausellio's news about Clark wearing the S on his chest this season (which was true of course) and spun it into that AICN suit rumor.


Of course AICN won't take any hits from this; since they explicitly stated it was a rumor from an untested source.

:up:

Indeed

[The Guard]

Have to agree with David. Luthor was never as campy in the comics as he was in SUPERMAN: THE MOVIE. That was a pseudo interpretation of his character, but not a faithful one in any real sense.

[Angeloz]

The show is fine for what it is. I've watched both the really good and really bad of it. He is in some type of suit.

I actually agree with you. For a stupid premise the show is rather good quite a bit of the time. Although maybe they don't mind if he's in a kinky outfit. They've certainly had him shirtless over the years (one thing I'm not complaining about although it was stupid on "ST:Enterprise").

Angeloz

[Ita-KalEl]

Yup. AICN was the first to start the Metropolis movie rumors AND the Blue/Red Leather proto-suit details.

Both false. 100% a hoax.




I think what happened is someone took Ausellio's news about Clark wearing the S on his chest this season (which was true of course) and spun it into that AICN suit rumor.


Of course AICN won't take any hits from this; since they explicitly stated it was a rumor from an untested source.

Yes, but it remains the sad fact that after the reportage of Supermanhomepage.com that debunked the rumor, in the Smallville forums people started to insult Steve Younis and his reporters.

[AgentPat]

Woah Patty. Didn't you used to defend that site? I might be mistaken but I thought you used to follow what those two said?I did. Even posted there a long time ago. Didn't say I ceased reading there, however. I still read quite a few forums - even the BR forum here :p - but I don't post much anymore. I got tired of the nonsense a long, long time ago. I believe Steve & Co. had industry contacts, but then he and his site went off into homophobic lala land and he destroyed any progress he might have made in organizing Superman fans, not to mention being respected in Hollywood. I'm sure the monkeys didn't help either. My gosh, was he ever bleepin' stupid. He does like to stir the pot though, much like others do elsewhere. Que sera.

Regardless, I was hoping to be pleasantly surprised with a formal announcement today as per rumors printed in not one but two national publications. Something truly special for Supes' fans, such as a SV TV movie or major change in show format - hence my lengthy presence on the boards today - but no announcement was made. Oh well, disappointment abounds. As for you Jamie, you've spread quite a bit of "crap" yourself, so forgive me if I don't really care what misconceived notions you may have about me. :)

Aight, I'm out. I look forward to hearing some solid Superman news eventually.

[FilmNerdJamie]

As for you Jamie, you've spread quite a bit of "crap" yourself, so forgive me if I don't really care what misconceived notions you may have about me. :)

Yes, I've been wrong before. And have admitted when I was. But I've also been correct. Has your buddy Steve? No? I didn't think so. :o

Also you're only now crapping the SS after God knows how many times they've flat out made up "news" and *gasp!* it didn't happen. I've been calling those morons out since the beginning. Didn't see you bad-mouth them back then. :yay:

[Double Down]

Yup. AICN was the first to start the Metropolis movie rumors AND the Blue/Red Leather proto-suit details.

Both false. 100% a hoax.

I think what happened is someone took Ausellio's news about Clark wearing the S on his chest this season (which was true of course) and spun it into that AICN suit rumor.

Of course AICN won't take any hits from this; since they explicitly stated it was a rumor from an untested source.

My problem with AICN was with how they phrased it:


If this is hoax, it’s a good one, as it comes with a few bits of convincing detail we are not sharing with you.

Someone has written us, claiming to have gotten a glimpse of some signage being prepared for next month’s “Smallville” presentation at Comic-Con. His or her description:
On black, with crimson/red text in the same font lettering that Smallville uses, and a transparent grey Superman "S" watermark behind the text:
METROPOLIS
CHRISTMAS 2010
Then at the bottom is a banner advertising the Smallville presentation, with the time/place (can't remember).

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/41525

If they wanted to stay clean, they should have said, "This is an untested source, but we thought it was worth sharing." Instead, they got high and mighty and gave us: "If this is hoax, it’s a good one, as it comes with a few bits of convincing detail we are not sharing with you."
How convincing was it then and why couldn't they share it?

Plus, try to find the story they did on the leather costume. It's gone. http://www.aintitcool.com/node/41794

If you are going to write a story like that, only to have it proven false, have the courage to keep it up. I went to the article to see if they updated the info. Instead, they just wrote over it.

[FilmNerdJamie]

Plus, try to find the story they did on the leather costume. It's gone.

Damn. You're right. It's almost like it was never there to begin with....

[Ultimate_Superman]

I am disappointed because I have not missed an episode of Smallville and if this the big payoff we are going to get then I am mad. I was one of those people who long ago felt that SV should have went on the big screen at that time. I think instead of making up all this crap these sites need to just come out and say that they are wrong. Don't play with SV/Welling fans anymore then they are. That being said on a side note it was nice to see you posting in this forum again Pat.

[Ita-KalEl]

Yes, I've been wrong before. And have admitted when I was. But I've also been correct. Has your buddy Steve? No? I didn't think so. :o

Also you're only now crapping the SS after God knows how many times they've flat out made up "news" and *gasp!* it didn't happen. I've been calling those morons out since the beginning. Didn't see you bad-mouth them back then. :yay:

The last "scoop" of Steve was that at Comic-Con there were some WB/DC's spies masked as nerd with the mission to rise the hype for the incredible announcement at the Smallville Panel.
:whatever:

[\S/JcDc\S/]

"If this is hoax, it’s a good one, as it comes with a few bits of convincing detail we are not sharing with you. "

So the suit wasn't the only thing made of fabrication...

[Fresh Prince]

It is a decent elseworld's adaption, though some of the liberties can make you shake your head. I don't like everything about SR, nor everything about SV. We need something better :o

Agreed we do.

[Man of Tomorrow]

Alright you guys, here (around the 40 sec mark):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Co0Is_vmA_0

There's no Smallville movie.


That's straight from the panel itself.

It was mistakenly written that Loeb and the panel brought up the movie question...

But it was actually a random fan during Q+A.....and the cast just laughed it off.


The Metropolis thing from AICN was a complete hoax.

[Webhead2006]

Actually they never gave a straight answer on the movie thing, but who knows it could happen other shows lik BSG/STARGATE and even prison break have done it. But ya likely not going to happen yet/at all if they get a 10 season but that is all ratings wise.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Actually they never gave a straight answer on the movie thing, but who knows it could happen other shows lik BSG/STARGATE and even prison break have done it. But ya likely not going to happen yet/at all if they get a 10 season but that is all ratings wise.
On a smaller network only expecting like 4 million viewers, doesn't seem that hard to keep them from going down :confused: The same small base of core viewer will remain.

[FilmNerdJamie]

To their credit, Superman Homepage did their homework at the Con and called the "Smallville suit/secret room" story a hoax...and were soon after **** on by posters who didn't like it. Funny how they're tight-lipped now that it in fact turned out be bogus. :whatever:

And I'm sorry, but the fact that AICN pulled that article is insanely unprofessional.

[GreenKToo]

I havent followed SV since season 5, but if I did still watch, i'd be pee'od right now.

[Man of Tomorrow]

Actually they never gave a straight answer on the movie thing, but who knows it could happen other shows lik BSG/STARGATE and even prison break have done it. But ya likely not going to happen yet/at all if they get a 10 season but that is all ratings wise.

Look again,

Even later in the Q+A, some fan asks if "Metropolis" is real...

and then the PS1 think he's referring to a name change for the series and mentions the show is already "Smallville (the Metropolis years)" ..... almost as though they were uninformed on the 'Metropolis movie' AICN thing

[Man of Tomorrow]

To their credit, Superman Homepage did their homework at the Con and called the "Smallville suit/secret room" story a hoax...and were soon after **** on by posters who didn't like it. Funny how they're tight-lipped now that it in fact turned out be bogus. :whatever:

And I'm sorry, but the fact that AICN pulled that article is insanely unprofessional.

Nevertheless, dude.

Anyone with common sense and half a brain knew it was a hoax.


Warner Brother execs mysteriously kidnapping randoms and taking them to a secret showroom? ..... really?

[FilmNerdJamie]

Sure, we hear things - some turns out to be dead-on and some wind up being 100% Grade-A Internet ********. But we make it a point to show restraint and not just run with anything someone sends.

That was my real beef here. This read fake, and yet they hit the "Publish" button anyway, had their hit-count go through the roof and quickly pull said article the moment it was confirmed that yes, it was a hoax.

[solidsnake86]

Isn't smallville being moved to friday night cause if it is I really can't see them doing a tv movie, and for what purpose, its been on for 8 seasons, they can do a proper send off in this 9th one. In fact, if they set an end date maybe they could actually have a quality season from start to finish. If there serious about a new superman movie, smallville isnt going to be on much longer.

[dark_b]

Isn't smallville being moved to friday night cause if it is I really can't see them doing a tv movie, and for what purpose, its been on for 8 seasons, they can do a proper send off in this 9th one. In fact, if they set an end date maybe they could actually have a quality season from start to finish. If there serious about a new superman movie, smallville isnt going to be on much longer.they wont do this. they rather force it into a 10 season and then get canceled then to anounce that this would be hte last season and no episode would be filler.

[Ita-KalEl]

To their credit, Superman Homepage did their homework at the Con and called the "Smallville suit/secret room" story a hoax...and were soon after **** on by posters who didn't like it. Funny how they're tight-lipped now that it in fact turned out be bogus. :whatever:

And I'm sorry, but the fact that AICN pulled that article is insanely unprofessional.

Yes. By now I can see only "happy people" that say "What did you expect? Smallville panel was great and the news are really exciting!" while yesterday even in the SHH Smallville forum some people were ready to taunt Routh's fans in case of a BIG announcement.

[FilmNerdJamie]

Yes. By now I can see only "happy people" that say "What did you expect? Smallville panel was great and the news are really exciting!" while yesterday even in the SHH Smallville forum some people were ready to taunt Routh's fans in case of a BIG announcement.

Hence why I feel zero sympathy towards them based on the fact that they continue to get screwed over for what they want (i.e. Welling in the suit as Superman!) They got too smug/arrogant and started smack-talking based 100% on speculation from an untested source.

[Man of Tomorrow]

They're not that bad.

There's really only one SV apologist in that forum I find particularly laughable.

He gets his panties in a twist anytime anyone says something remotely negative about the show or the panel. It's amusing.

[GreenKToo]

The welling ship sailed already. what, about 4 years ago now.
I think Routh has had his shot as well, unless by some miracle they announce a reboot, and VERY SOON.

[Prison Mike]

the best way to go about a new movie is to not have Welling or Routh as Superman and choose someone who is totally new to the franchise. That way, it can bring everyone together.

[Ita-KalEl]

The welling ship sailed already. what, about 4 years ago now.
I think Routh has had his shot as well, unless by some miracle they announce a reboot, and VERY SOON.

Sadly I think that the "Supermen" of this generation are already done. There are good chances that the actor that will get the role in the future is actually 5 years old.

[Prison Mike]

Sadly I think that the "Supermen" of this generation are already done. There are good chances that the actor that will get the role in the future is actually 5 years old.

that kid is watching Batman: The Brave and the Bold right now...

[Man of Tomorrow]

the best way to go about a new movie is to not have Welling or Routh as Superman and choose someone who is totally new to the franchise. That way, it can bring everyone together.

There's really no need to bring everyone together, the film's success depends on the general audience and they wouldnt care either way.


I don't mind Brandon Routh getting replaced but there really hasn't been any new actor suggested that fits the physical mold and height of Superman.

It scares me that Warners were ready (less than two years ago) to replace Brandon with DJ Cotrona. It doesn't fill me with much confidence in them.

[Prison Mike]

DJ was only for the JL film I think. I don't know if they were willing to give him a solo movie as well.

I think it's important to bring all the fans together. SR and Smallville has really divided the fan base. It's resorted to people saying "you're not a true Superman fan. You're a Welling or Routh fan!" which is just ridiculous. :whatever:

[FilmNerdJamie]

I think it's important to bring all the fans together. SR and Smallville has really divided the fan base. It's resorted to people saying "you're not a true Superman fan. You're a Welling or Routh fan!" which is just ridiculous. :whatever:

The fanbase was divided the moment it was clear that Welling was not going to be used in the film franchise.

That said, at least the Routh and Welling fans have something to point to as their "support" for backing said actor (i.e. soon-to-be 9 seasons of Smallville for Welling and Superman Returns for Routh!) Manips of actors in the suit or the fact that they "look the part" isn't my idea of "back-up."

[Ita-KalEl]

The fanbase was divided the moment it was clear that Welling was not going to be used in the film franchise.

That said, at least the Routh and Welling fans have something to point to as their "support" for backing said actor (i.e. soon-to-be 9 seasons of Smallville for Welling and Superman Returns for Routh!) Manips of actors in the suit or the fact that they "look the part" isn't my idea of "back-up."

Jamie do you think that there ar no chances to see a new superman movie in 5 years?

[FilmNerdJamie]

Do I think we'll see another Superman film within the next 5 years - regardless if it be a sequel, reboot, requel, etc? Yes.

[Ita-KalEl]

Do I think we'll see another Superman film within the next 5 years - regardless if it be a sequel, reboot, requel, etc? Yes.

This is more than enough to stay happy :)

[Prison Mike]

don't they have to start production for a new Superman movie within the next year or two or DC will lose the rights?

[Man of Tomorrow]

DJ was only for the JL film I think. I don't know if they were willing to give him a solo movie as well.


Doesn't matter. There wasn't a plan in place to continue the Superman franchaise then, so DJ would have been the default cinematic Superman.

Keep in mind JL:M was a studio-driven project... it's pretty scary that the execs would sign off on that casting.




I think it's important to bring all the fans together. SR and Smallville has really divided the fan base. It's resorted to people saying "you're not a true Superman fan. You're a Welling or Routh fan!" which is just ridiculous. :whatever:


Not true at all.

This so called division is just from the same small group of people. A few TW fans bitter over him not getting to play Superman, and a few members of this forum who antagonize them irresponsibly and add fuel to the fire.

It's ridiculously minor and doesn't even measure on the radar of the Superman fanbase as a whole.

[TheComicbookKid]

don't they have to start production for a new Superman movie within the next year or two or DC will lose the rights?

I don't think they'll lose the movie rights. That's what the Siegel's sued about. The sweetheart deal that the WB didn't have an expiration clause to exploit the material in a timely matter.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

The fanbase was divided the moment it was clear that Welling was not going to be used in the film franchise.

That said, at least the Routh and Welling fans have something to point to as their "support" for backing said actor (i.e. soon-to-be 9 seasons of Smallville for Welling and Superman Returns for Routh!) Manips of actors in the suit or the fact that they "look the part" isn't my idea of "back-up."Dude thats just complete nonsense.

By that logic you could never cast any actor who hadn't already played a Superhero.

The Routh and Welling fans do not have more backing for said actor because they played Superman before or anyother Superhero for that matter. I just couldn't disagree more if I tried.

[FilmNerdJamie]

Dude thats just complete nonsense.

By that logic you could never cast any actor who hadn't already played a Superhero.

The Routh and Welling fans do not have more backing for said actor because they played Superman before or anyother Superhero for that matter. I just couldn't disagree more if I tried.

It would be nonsense if it weren't for the fact that we're talking about two actors playing someone concurrently. Something that in itself is rare.

Hence there is going to be divide that one got the higher-profile gig than the other even though they're playing the same character - albeit one on television, the other on film and both under different continuities and what not.

[Angeloz]

Dude thats just complete nonsense.

By that logic you could never cast any actor who hadn't already played a Superhero.

The Routh and Welling fans do not have more backing for said actor because they played Superman before or anyother Superhero for that matter. I just couldn't disagree more if I tried.

Even if someone suggested Tobey?

Just kidding (which I'm sure you could tell). ;) :p :D

By the way there has also been the animated versions of him (for the concurrent argument). But I guess they don't count.

Angeloz

[I SEE SPIDEY]

It would be nonsense if it weren't for the fact that we're talking about two actors playing someone concurrently. Something that in itself is rare.

Hence there is going to be divide that one got the higher-profile gig than the other even though they're playing the same character - albeit one on television, the other on film and both under different continuities and what not.I'm still not feeling your arguement, sir.

Even if someone suggested Tobey?

Just kidding (which I'm sure you could tell). ;) :p :D

By the way there has also been the animated versions of him (for the concurrent argument). But I guess they don't count.

AngelozNo, I thought you were being serious!:oldrazz:

[mjbull23]

Do I think we'll see another Superman film within the next 5 years - regardless if it be a sequel, reboot, requel, etc? Yes.

If in fact this next Supes movie is to be released sometime in the next five years, then what do you think the chances are that Gary Oldman will be hollywood actor to break the news of when our future Superman film begins shooting? :hehe:

[RachelDawes]

If in fact this next Supes movie is to be released sometime in the next five years, then what do you think the chances are that Gary Oldman will be hollywood actor to break the news of when our future Superman film begins shooting? :hehe:

The Superman franchise needs its own Gary Oldman to leak news for nerds. What actors in Hollywood have a reputation for not being able to keep their mouths shut?

[Webhead2006]

I do wonder if wb will be able to get something up and running by th 2011 deadline they have to get a film going.

[Retroman]

To their credit, Superman Homepage did their homework at the Con and called the "Smallville suit/secret room" story a hoax...and were soon after **** on by posters who didn't like it. Funny how they're tight-lipped now that it in fact turned out be bogus. :whatever:

And I'm sorry, but the fact that AICN pulled that article is insanely unprofessional.

Agreed. The least they could have done is posted some kind of rebuttal.

There's not even a mention of the Smallville panel in their news section.
The Superman franchise needs its own Gary Oldman to leak news for nerds. What actors in Hollywood have a reputation for not being able to keep their mouths shut?

Kirsten Dunst and Sir Michael Caine come to mind.:woot:

The problem with Superman is that there doesn't seem to be any substantial news to leak at the moment even if the actors wanted to.:(

[ultimatefan]

I´ve added some more ideas to my Superman proposal.

Just to remind:

The movie starts as Superman is on the top of the world on Earth. He can protect Earth from anything, he´s the most powerful being on the planet, he´s beloved by all. Then the hordes of Darkseid attack the Earth. Huge battles ensue, and Supes realizes even he´s not powerful enough to stop Darkseid and his army. He finds out the answer may be out of Earth, on Apokolips. He´s forced to fly away from Earth at the verge of humankind´s extinction, just like he had to do with Krypton. As he arrives on Apokolips, his powers are reduced by the distance from Earth´s sun, Darkseid is seen as a God and even the mention of the name Superman inspires rage and hatred. More than his powers, Supes has to count on his mind - and heart - to get what he needs to get - haven´t decided on that yet, let´s leave some suspense here - get back to Earth and fight Darkseid with all his might. Ultimately, Supes realizes his greatest power is in his humanity.

Now, the new stuff:

I also thought that, in Apokolips, Superman is found by Kalibak, who wants to prove his worth to his father by destroying Supes in hand-to-hand combat. Even weakened, Supes manages to defeat him. But being who he is, Supes can see the human side in even his worst enemies. Kalibak reveals to be a frustrated son, desperately trying to live up to a father who, tyrannic as he is, is revered as a God by an entire world. Superman understands this better than anyone, for he has to live up not only to two great men, the Kryptonian scientist and the Kansas farmer, but also to the legacy of an entire dead race and an adoptive home world that needs his protection. Superman manages to reach out to Kalibak and get him to reveal the key to defeat Darkseid´s army.

[Fresh Prince]

I´ve added some more ideas to my Superman proposal.

Just to remind:

The movie starts as Superman is on the top of the world on Earth. He can protect Earth from anything, he´s the most powerful being on the planet, he´s beloved by all. Then the hordes of Darkseid attack the Earth. Huge battles ensue, and Supes realizes even he´s not powerful enough to stop Darkseid and his army. He finds out the answer may be out of Earth, on Apokolips. He´s forced to fly away from Earth at the verge of humankind´s extinction, just like he had to do with Krypton. As he arrives on Apokolips, his powers are reduced by the distance from Earth´s sun, Darkseid is seen as a God and even the mention of the name Superman inspires rage and hatred. More than his powers, Supes has to count on his mind - and heart - to get what he needs to get - haven´t decided on that yet, let´s leave some suspense here - get back to Earth and fight Darkseid with all his might. Ultimately, Supes realizes his greatest power is in his humanity.

Now, the new stuff:

I also thought that, in Apokolips, Superman is found by Kalibak, who wants to prove his worth to his father by destroying Supes in hand-to-hand combat. Even weakened, Supes manages to defeat him. But being who he is, Supes can see the human side in even his worst enemies. Kalibak reveals to be a frustrated son, desperately trying to live up to a father who, tyrannic as he is, is revered as a God by an entire world. Superman understands this better than anyone, for he has to live up not only to two great men, the Kryptonian scientist and the Kansas farmer, but also to the legacy of an entire dead race and an adoptive home world that needs his protection. Superman manages to reach out to Kalibak and get him to reveal the key to defeat Darkseid´s army.

Thats cool.

[StorminNorman]

I´ve added some more ideas to my Superman proposal.

Just to remind:

The movie starts as Superman is on the top of the world on Earth. He can protect Earth from anything, he´s the most powerful being on the planet, he´s beloved by all. Then the hordes of Darkseid attack the Earth. Huge battles ensue, and Supes realizes even he´s not powerful enough to stop Darkseid and his army. He finds out the answer may be out of Earth, on Apokolips. He´s forced to fly away from Earth at the verge of humankind´s extinction, just like he had to do with Krypton. As he arrives on Apokolips, his powers are reduced by the distance from Earth´s sun, Darkseid is seen as a God and even the mention of the name Superman inspires rage and hatred. More than his powers, Supes has to count on his mind - and heart - to get what he needs to get - haven´t decided on that yet, let´s leave some suspense here - get back to Earth and fight Darkseid with all his might. Ultimately, Supes realizes his greatest power is in his humanity.

Now, the new stuff:

I also thought that, in Apokolips, Superman is found by Kalibak, who wants to prove his worth to his father by destroying Supes in hand-to-hand combat. Even weakened, Supes manages to defeat him. But being who he is, Supes can see the human side in even his worst enemies. Kalibak reveals to be a frustrated son, desperately trying to live up to a father who, tyrannic as he is, is revered as a God by an entire world. Superman understands this better than anyone, for he has to live up not only to two great men, the Kryptonian scientist and the Kansas farmer, but also to the legacy of an entire dead race and an adoptive home world that needs his protection. Superman manages to reach out to Kalibak and get him to reveal the key to defeat Darkseid´s army.

I really really hate the idea of Superman on Apokolips to start off a franchise.

IMO Any Darkseid stuff should be reserved for the Justice League.

[ultimatefan]

I really really hate the idea of Superman on Apokolips to start off a franchise.

IMO Any Darkseid stuff should be reserved for the Justice League.

The franchise needs a change of pace, much more than any kind or reintroduction. The world of Superman is familiar and well-known, you need to tell a good story and take him to his biggest adventure ever. Darkseid and Apokolips offer the kind of scope and threat that we haven´t seen in his movies before. You can always bring Darkseid back to fight the JL with a new weapon or scheme.

[Superark]

To their credit, Superman Homepage did their homework at the Con and called the "Smallville suit/secret room" story a hoax...and were soon after **** on by posters who didn't like it. Funny how they're tight-lipped now that it in fact turned out be bogus. :whatever:

And I'm sorry, but the fact that AICN pulled that article is insanely unprofessional.

Just one more reason why I don't visit AICN anymore. It's unbelievable that they cannot stand behind the BS the post now.

[StorminNorman]

The franchise needs a change of pace, much more than any kind or reintroduction. The world of Superman is familiar and well-known, you need to tell a good story and take him to his biggest adventure ever. Darkseid and Apokolips offer the kind of scope and threat that we haven´t seen in his movies before. You can always bring Darkseid back to fight the JL with a new weapon or scheme.

I agree - but taking Superman off earth for that change of pace is the easy way out. I would rather have a complete redefinition of the character and his supporting cast. Removing Lois Lane, Lex Luthor, Metropolis, etc. is just, IMO, the worst possible idea for a reboot.

We need to establish Superman's world before we send him off to another.

[ultimatefan]

^Superman´s world is a given, that´s the least labor the movie needs. Try to reintroduce his world is the gateway for the movie taking tons of liberties that the fans will hate, like Kryptonian Lex and so on, or to just repeat the past, which is all we don´t need. The whole kid out of wedlock thing that pissed fans off was part of an attempt to reintroduce him, too.

Taking Batman out of Gotham was part of Nolan´s change of pace and no one complained it was "the easy way out".

Lex Luthor is an overused as hell character. Just cuz I don´t specifically mention Lois or Jimmy, doesn´t mean they won´t be there, they will have their role in the story, this is just a short generic outline.

[GreenKToo]

I would have loved two superman films.

First. Origin. Have Brainiac as the main villain with Luthor there in a secondary role. Superman defeats Brainiac only to discover that he was controlled by a higher power, Darkseid.

Second film. Darkseid. full on invasion of the earth with all his minions. Darkseid Vs Superman. Superman holds his own at first, but starts to lose. The fight is shown live on tv around the world. Massive destruction in Metropolis and surrounding areas.
Just when all seems lost, other heroes that were only rumored to exist appear. Flash, W.W, Aquaman, etc.

I think that could set up a JL film nicely. wishful thinking tho, I know.

[Dude101]

First film Brainiac and robots invasion of earth. Second Superman Revenge squad. Metallo, Limewire, Volcana, Parasite, Toyman,and Neutron. Third Bizarro and Luthor combine with brainiac.

[darthlaney]

I´ve added some more ideas to my Superman proposal.

Just to remind:

The movie starts as Superman is on the top of the world on Earth. He can protect Earth from anything, he´s the most powerful being on the planet, he´s beloved by all. Then the hordes of Darkseid attack the Earth. Huge battles ensue, and Supes realizes even he´s not powerful enough to stop Darkseid and his army. He finds out the answer may be out of Earth, on Apokolips. He´s forced to fly away from Earth at the verge of humankind´s extinction, just like he had to do with Krypton. As he arrives on Apokolips, his powers are reduced by the distance from Earth´s sun, Darkseid is seen as a God and even the mention of the name Superman inspires rage and hatred. More than his powers, Supes has to count on his mind - and heart - to get what he needs to get - haven´t decided on that yet, let´s leave some suspense here - get back to Earth and fight Darkseid with all his might. Ultimately, Supes realizes his greatest power is in his humanity.

Now, the new stuff:

I also thought that, in Apokolips, Superman is found by Kalibak, who wants to prove his worth to his father by destroying Supes in hand-to-hand combat. Even weakened, Supes manages to defeat him. But being who he is, Supes can see the human side in even his worst enemies. Kalibak reveals to be a frustrated son, desperately trying to live up to a father who, tyrannic as he is, is revered as a God by an entire world. Superman understands this better than anyone, for he has to live up not only to two great men, the Kryptonian scientist and the Kansas farmer, but also to the legacy of an entire dead race and an adoptive home world that needs his protection. Superman manages to reach out to Kalibak and get him to reveal the key to defeat Darkseid´s army.

Did this a while back - threw in a little cookie for a future appearance of Dommsday as well

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk28/laney_74/Superman_Apocolips_small-1.jpg

[Webhead2006]

thats a pretty sweet looking picture.

[ultimatefan]

Cool poster, Darth!

[afan]

First film Brainiac and robots invasion of earth. Second Superman Revenge squad. Metallo, Limewire, Volcana, Parasite, Toyman,and Neutron. Third Bizarro and Luthor combine with brainiac.


Never ending battle for truth, justice,......... and an end to copyright infringemnet?:cwink:

[Dude101]

Never ending battle for truth, justice,......... and an end to copyright infringemnet?:cwink:
Meant livewire sorry.

[afan]

Just jokin'.

[Fresh Prince]

I wish Apokolips could be the main villian in the first film.

[FaT_tONle]

don't they have to start production for a new Superman movie within the next year or two or DC will lose the rights?

If they can't work something out, I wonder if WB would be willing to hold of on Batman if it meant a Superman reboot in 2012. I would be well worth it IMO.

[Compi716]

A new article regarding Superman has popped up over at iesb.net.
A couple of interesting tidbits coming from the Superman camp that I feel I must share with our readers.

Currently, Superman is a hot property over at Warner Bros. Studios, this is known. But how do you move from Bryan Singer's recent attempt at rebooting the character in Superman Returns into something more action packed? Word out of WB is that Singer's film willl simply be seen as a "book-end" to the Richard Donner legacy, to complete the saga. The next films will be a completely new take on the character and the story.

And as everyone knows by now, Bryan Singer is no longer involved in the Superman franchise. Hence, the billion dollar question is...who is?

For the better part of the last month, I've been hearing a few names pop up in regards to who just might be involved in the reboot of the Superman franchise.

And from the recent lawsuit we all know that the new Superman film must be in production by 2011 and IESB has learned that it has indeed been put on the proverbial "fast track". So what names are we hearing?

This past weekend at San Diego Comic Con, I ran into plenty of DC and WB folks who turned pale when I started asking about the man in blue.

There is one thing we know for sure, there is currently a very short list of potential directors to bring Supes back to the big screen.

First are the Wachowski Brothers, yep, Andy and Larry. The other name I am hearing is James McTeigue.

Here's where things get fuzzy, because I am also hearing the Wachowski's may come in to produce with James McTeigue as the actual director.

Part of me wonders why WB would allow the Wachowski's anywhere near Superman after the amount of money they cost the studio after the disaster that was Speed Racer. But, then again, they did make WB plenty of dough on the Matrix trilogy plus Jeff Robinov loves these guys.

To me, it makes more sense to have Andy and Larry Wachowski serve as producers with James McTeigue to direct after the awesomeness that is his film Ninja Assassin because the one absolute mandate WB and DC have for the new Superman film is for it to be action packed, something Superman Returns was sorely lacking. And there is no doubt that the Wachowski's and McTeigue can be relied on for action.

One thing is for sure, Superman is moving faster than a speeding bullet and we can expect some major announcments coming from the Burbank studio in the very near future.

Stay tuned to the IESB as this story develops!
http://iesb.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=7198:iesb-exclusive-superman-rumblings-begin-now&catid=43:exclusive-features&Itemid=73

[GreenKToo]

Some news would be nice, but I dont think I will hold my breath waiting.

[Compi716]

Yeah, anything concrete would be welcomed.

Still, with this new piece from IESB.net, we at least get a little something...and I am not feeling the directorial suggestion at all.

[Compi716]

Yeah, anything concrete would be welcomed.

Still, with this new piece from IESB.net, we at least get a little something...and I am not feeling the directorial suggestion at all.

[FilmNerdJamie]

...and it begins again.

[Excel]

Welcome to (insert one of the dozen times theyve been rumored here)

is pretty much right there though with Latino Review interms of W.B. knowledge (hell, they even leaked the Returns plot details about 2 years in advance, talking about the boat and new continent).

[Superman-Prime]

Ah... so, reboot it is. Then, Brandon Routh better come back as Clark Kent/Superman.

[batman44]

Don't know how true this report is, but I've recently thought about WB possibly going to James McTeigue for directing the next Superman.

[El Payaso]

...and it begins again.

The Superman franchise you mean of course.

[FilmNerdJamie]

The Superman franchise you mean of course.

I'm referring to news/rumors/rumblings. That, and it's about to get nuts in here again.

To his credit, Routh's "there is new momentum behind another Superman film" story wasn't "just wishful thinking on his part" like some suggested after all.

[batman44]

I'm referring to news/rumors/rumblings. That, and it's about to get nuts in here again.

To his credit, Routh's "there is new momentum behind another Superman film" story wasn't "just wishful thinking on his part" like some suggested after all.

Good, I love all the rumors. It's part of the fun.

And when did Routh say "there is new momentum behind another Superman film", I've been away on vacation the last three weeks.

[Antonello Blueberry]

That Wachowski rumor is hard to die.

[FilmNerdJamie]

And when did Routh say "there is new momentum behind another Superman film", I've been away on vacation the last three weeks.

*Points below*

IGN: SDCC 09: Routh Talks Superman 2

July 23, 2009 - Brandon Routh and Sam Huntington spoke very briefly about Superman: Man of Steel during the Dead of Night panel at San Diego Comic-Con.

When asked if there was any news on the project, Huntington quickly shouted out, "No!" But Routh was a little more forthcoming.

The Superman Returns leading man said that there appears to be new momentum on the project and that he and Sam are both interested in returning for the sequel if it happens.

Look to IGN Movies for more news on the Superman sequel and from SDCC as it happens!

http://movies.ign.com/articles/100/1006647p1.html

[Angeloz]

What has James McTeigue done? Not "V for Vendetta"? Although I'm not believing anything until trailers appear. Or vlogs.

Angeloz

[\S/JcDc\S/]

The Wachowski's have been rumored off and on in some capacity before, during, and after Singer.

It is something that never goes away completely.

[dark_b]

every year the Wachowski rumors


ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[dark_b]

every year the Wachowski rumors


ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[X Knight]

well, the good news, for me at least, is that Singer's SR franchise ( and the whole Donnerverse ) is, for all intents and purposes, over!!! :woot:

the bad news.........we have no idea what's to come next. :huh:

Hopefully, we will finally get to see a different take on Supes.

However, knowing WB ( and Hollywood, for that matter ), it could be worse than SR.......:wow: :csad:

[B]

*Points below*

What actually is the "new momentum" though? To me I thought that 'news' was abit overblown as the new momentum seems most likely to be the lawsuit case result & Brandon Routh/Sam Huntington's declaration that they'd return should a sequal happen..

[Superark]

while i'm glad to hear there is development on superman, please please keep the wachowski brothers away from this!

oh and bring routh back!

[Maze]

Well, i will be in the minority there in digging the rumor.

Imo, they could nail superman.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Well, i will be in the minority there in digging the rumor.

Imo, they could nail superman.


I don't think that is a minority anymore. I for one believe they could make a great reboot franchise. I think people are more cautious with them, than dismissive. :o

Check this out btw

GEF8_I0n_wk

[Maze]

I don't think that is a minority anymore. I for one believe they could make a great reboot franchise. I think people are more cautious with them, than dismissive. :o

Check this out btw

GEF8_I0n_wk


I completly understand that. based on speed racer or the two matrix sequels (even if i like it i totally understand that people could have a hard time with Speed racer. i'm not a hardcore fan of the bros btw, i don't like the two matrix follow ups) theys could be a risk for sure, and superman need to be a hit again.

Now i don't see them going speed racer crazy on it (and i doubt warner would allow that) and even more if Teigues is the director. Even if he has similarity with the bros, he seems less willing to go completly crazy with his directing (now, being a young director put surely some limits on what he try to do ).

They are a risk, but i think they would do their research being reportedly fan of supe, and somehow i'm pratically sure based on matrix, that they could nail a supe who could please also the masses.

But yes, on the paper they don't appear like a "sure thing", and they could fail yes.

Ps: watching your vid.

[Maze]

Nice vid. :cwink:

[Ita-KalEl]

At least there is still hope :)

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Thx, fits well with saying goodbye to previous franchises. Life goes on, and with it Superman as well. I always see the character as the focus more than the actor :o


As for how people view Speedracer and Matrix sequels, it is kind of ridiculous, but ya some do use that. I mean the source material available for writing a new Superman franchise is immense. I think you just have to decide if their shooting style works, because I think a modern script would not be that hard for them to write. They happen to be big fans of the character, and less about previous movie attempts like Donner's STM.

[X Knight]

well, it was the Neo flying in the Matrix sequels, and the Neo vs. Smith final fight, that made me eager to see a new Superman film.

I kept thinking........what if it were Superman flying around and having those arial battles, instead of Neo.

Sadly.....all I got was a "tame" SR.

Hopefully, the next Superman film will be better.......

[Dark_Lord]

I'm tired of all this. I just want a new Superman movie. I was so happy and scared, at the same time, when Superman Returns was announced. Happy because we were finally getting a new Superman movie and scared because of who they'd cast as Superman (I also really wanted the John Williams Superman Theme). I liked the movie. Sure it could have been better, but I loved Routh and they kept the John Williams theme that I really wanted them to. After SR I thought, Superman is finally back. I can't wait to see what they'll do with the sequel. We all know how that went.

I'm still scared of who they'll cast in the new movie. They wanted DJ Cotrona for Superman, for the Justice League movie. I really want Routh back, but I don't see it happening at this point. I'm just gonna pray they get someone good. I mean...I was scared before SR and that (Routh) turned out great for me, so I guess the same could happen again.

Anyway...this was kinda off topic. It was more of a "It's been over 3 years. Just give me a new Superman movie" kind of post. That's one of the reasons I don't really post here, even though I do read the forums. It's always the same stuff though. I just hope they finally get things going so we can finally have a new Superman movie to enjoy.

[Showtime]

well, it was the Neo flying in the Matrix sequels, and the Neo vs. Smith final fight, that made me eager to see a new Superman film.

I kept thinking........what if it were Superman flying around and having those arial battles, instead of Neo.

Sadly.....all I got was a "tame" SR.

Hopefully, the next Superman film will be better.......

WB has already recreated Neo minus for Smallville Season 9.

[Ita-KalEl]

WB has already recreated Neo minus for Smallville Season 9.

LOL Yes, recycling the coat from season 6

[Man of Tomorrow]

WB has already recreated Neo minus for Smallville Season 9.

LMAO.



I still don't like the Wachowski's involved in this... they're made of epic fail.

I could live with McTeigue as the director though.



I'm glad things are suddenly moving forward.... gee I wonder why

[Angeloz]

WB has already recreated Neo minus for Smallville Season 9.

:wow: Have you considered taking a holiday? Not trying to push you. And I didn't react well to that news (i.e. "Smallville") as you may have noticed.

Angeloz

[Superark]

I'm sorry I do not want to see Superman flying like Neo

[Man of Tomorrow]

I'm sorry I do not want to see Superman flying like Neo

Cover your eyes

6oNdGHU_kHU

[Superark]

Cover your eyes

6oNdGHU_kHU

lol, good one! god that is so awful! Superman should never ever fly like that!

[Maze]

WB has already recreated Neo minus for Smallville Season 9.

:hehe:

[SuperAl]

i liked the whole Matrix trilogy, ya they werent nearly as good as the first one but the first was soo friggin good that the sequels could never live up to it.

Speed Racer, i never watched it because i hated the cartoon.

V for Vendetta was pretty good imo. I like the idea of these guys making a Superman movie, their vision for action scenes are awesome.

[Showtime]

Superman Flying Fast At Warners (http://thinkmcflythink.squarespace.com/movie-news/2009/7/30/superman-flying-fast-at-warners.html)

In what should come as no surprise to anybody with a keyboard, Rob Sanchez over at IESB has some sort of golden ticket to Burbank as evidenced by another exclusive passed on to him from inside the cubicles at Warner Bros. Feeling some heat from the recent lawsuit ruling, the Brothers Warner are moving swiftly towards meeting the mandate set forth by the court of achieving production on a Superman film by 2011. Rob is reporting that the new film will not be a continuation of the middle ground that was "Superman Returns" but an entirely different take. Returns will act as the exclamation point or in some people's minds, the period for the "Donnerverse".

There will also be a new director behind the lense and some names that Rob has been hearing include James McTeigue and the Wachowski's. McTeigue's latest film "Ninja Assassin" is enjoying rave reviews and the Wachowki's were last seen hiding out in Germany costing WB millions with their migraine inducing work on "Speed Racer". It is hard to fathom that WB would hand over the keys to the car to the Wachowski's after they crashed and burned on the race tracks of their last flick. McTeigue on the other hand makes a lot of sense.

There are a lot of questions that still need to be answered. Who will be playing Superman? The studio could certainly still turn to Brandon Routh who seems to have a good relationship with the execs of both WB and Legendary. A search for a new Superman would be a long and arduous process but the studio could certainly go that route. In that case, I think they will go with a virtual unknown, not on the scale of Brandon Routh, but more of an "Oh THAT guy!"

What about a script? TMT is hearing from our guys in the sky that Grant Morrison is involved story wise on one level or another on any new Superman film going forward. It would fit with WB's plan of bringing in a comic book writer to lay out the groundwork before handing it off to a screenwriter or two as is the case with Geoff Johns, who just contributed heavily on the possible new "Flash" movie. In my "Superman Limbo" (http://thinkmcflythink.squarespace.com/movie-news/2009/5/4/superman-limbo-iv-were-all-part-of-the-same-team.html) four part series I put forth what WB is looking for in a creative team and what directors and writers would fit this criteria.

This is just the beginning of the news concerning our favorite blue tighted friend that can fly. This story will surely crack open the gates for even more news and you can be sure the netmasters and forum dwellers will be along for the always bumpy ride.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

If this is true, I'd actually be happy. Odd this rumor first was put up and debunked on AICN back in Feb though.

[RachelDawes]

Superman Flying Fast At Warners (http://thinkmcflythink.squarespace.com/movie-news/2009/7/30/superman-flying-fast-at-warners.html)

Could it be? Could a Superman movie actually happen? I can hardly allow myself to hope.