Reintroducing Superman: An Open Discussion

[X Knight]

in re to the costume, just find a way to get rid of the outer-undies, or else "blend" them into the costume somehow.......

oh.....and MAKE THE COLORS RICH AND VIBRANT!!! not drab and dreary like in SR!!

[GreenKToo]

I hope not...
That wouldnt be good at all.

[Showtime]

Maybe he is Burton out. Burton was an executive producer on BF, so maybe it is like that. He has no creative control, but may get an EP credit.

They call that being "Jon Petered"

[Double Down]

Singer is out. Ann Thompson in her blog says it's a reboot. You don't bring back the same director to reboot a franchise after his first film cause the need for the reboot to begin with.

She says reboot, but she puts it in quotes.

If Singer, who has been preoccupied with his upcoming World War II Tom Cruise movie, Valkyrie, can't find a "reboot" that meets Warners' expectations, they'll move on.

She has never put reboot in quotes marks before and she isn't quoting anyone.

[Super Kal]

The colors should stay the same.
I'm sorry, but no... the suit color scheme for SR was dreadful, and had no vibrancy to it whatsoever.
It just didn't work... just like the rest of the movie.

[Spider-Fan]

I imagine he would be a producer like Burton was a producer on Batman Forever.

Beat you to the idea :cwink:

They call that being "Jon Petered"

There you go :woot:

[X Knight]

imo, Singer SHOULD NOT be a producer or writer or anything!! He HAD HIS CHANCE!!

if you're going to do a reboot, GO ALL THE WAY!! Cut all ties with prior projects!! Start fresh and new!!

[FlawlessVictory]

She says reboot, but she puts it in quotes.

If Singer, who has been preoccupied with his upcoming World War II Tom Cruise movie, Valkyrie, can't find a "reboot" that meets Warners' expectations, they'll move on.

She has never put reboot in quotes marks before and she isn't quoting anyone.

So what's your point? Because it's in quotes it might not happen? Do you think we are still geting Superman Returns 2 with Singer directing?

Robinov said reintroduction, it doesn't get clearer than that. Reintroduction is just a nicer way of saying reboot.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I'm sorry, but no... the suit color scheme for SR was dreadful, and had no vibrancy to it whatsoever.
It just didn't work... just like the rest of the movie.You misuderstand me. Not SR's colors, Supermans red and blue colors.

[FlawlessVictory]

Beat you to the idea :cwink:

Haha, nice. Yea, Singer's name can be on it but it won't really mean anything.

[Showtime]

I don't see how Singer can be directing a reboot?

[Superark]

I think all this means is Singer will serve as a producer, nothing more.

[Super Kal]

You misuderstand me. Not SR's colors, Supermans red and blue colors.
:):up:

[Super Kal]

if he is a producer, what control would he have if any?

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Reintroduction sure doesn't sound like sequel with Singer directing to me. It sounds like "hey Superman Returns sucked and didn't make enough, lets try again."

:):up:I like your avatar.

[Spider-Fan]

Haha, nice. Yea, Singer's name can be on it but it won't really mean anything.

Great minds think a like :cwink:

if he is a producer, what control would he have if any?

Burton was an Executive Producer on Batman Forever, and had no power at all. That's probably the deal here.

[Superark]

She says reboot, but she puts it in quotes.

If Singer, who has been preoccupied with his upcoming World War II Tom Cruise movie, Valkyrie, can't find a "reboot" that meets Warners' expectations, they'll move on.

She has never put reboot in quotes marks before and she isn't quoting anyone.

You're probably reading too much into it.

[GreenKToo]

if he is a producer, what control would he have if any?
Peters produced S.R. and he had ZERO control. I'm sure Singer will have some imput. How much though is the question.

[FlawlessVictory]

I don't see how Singer can be directing a reboot?

I don't see either because to him Superman is Routh. And if you bring back Routh then audience sees this as a sequel and then it gets confusing as hell. Once you go reboot, all ties must be severed.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Peters produced S.R. and he had ZERO control. I'm sure Singer will have some imput. How much though is the question.Hopefully it's only 1%.:cwink:

[X Knight]

0% ;)

[GreenKToo]

He'll prolly suggest Lex make a grab for Australia.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

0% ;)That would be best.

He'll prolly suggest Lex make a grab for Australia.lol

[Coleman Reese]

That's why I think Bale or his agent was incredibly smart in getting the role of John Connor. Instead of just doing low key films and hoping his acting gets noticed outside of playing a superhero, he dove right into another lead role in blockbuster franchise. Combine that with Killing Pablo and Public Enemies he's probably one of the few actors who's stock is actually rising after having a recurring superhero role while others just tend to hit plateau and the biggest they ever were was when they played the franchise superhero - Reeves, Maguire, Snipes, possibly Routh. Hugh Jackman is the only other guy I can think of that has really elevated from his comic book role and Bale is already moving past him.

While its true that post Batman Bale has made some good choices, Bale had critical acclaim well before Batman. Batman just made Bale the "it" guy in hollywood right now that probably has every studio clamoring to get him on their next high profile project.

[ManofmyWord]

I'm excited that we're getting a Superman movie somewhere in the near future. But all this dark tone stuff is worrying. You couldnt put Superman in The Dark knight kind of tone without totally losing what makes Superman Superman.

And I liked Routh. He just got shafted.

[Spider-Fan]

I don't think they mean Batman dark. I think they mean darker than the Donner films.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

And I liked Routh. He just got shafted.
Blame WB and Singer.

[bunk]

YES!

Wait. What are you no-ing me for? Getting rid of the panties or just making minor changes?

Actually, bunk do you have any manips of what you'd like to see for costume? I'd like to see them if you do.


Getting rid of the manties. Though, as you'll see my version would have the Quitely/Cooke briefs.

This was implementing changes I would want for a Singer sequel. The colors look off now that I've gotten a new monitor...

http://fc08.deviantart.com/fs21/f/2007/247/b/2/Supes_new_color_by_Bunk2.jpg

This is a sketch of what I'd do for a reboot. Shorter cape, longer briefs, cape over the shoulder, Gary Frank belt.

http://fc04.deviantart.com/fs28/f/2008/080/0/3/Supes_Costume_by_Bunk2.jpg

Re-design version. I don't want any re-design suit though, it was just for fun.

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/6849/supermanfinalgs0.jpg

I'll probably do a manip or two after they've cast someone.

[GreenKToo]

Like I said earlier the dark they refer to, IMHO, is the villain(s). A Darkseid or Brainiac invasion would certainly darken things up and may, just MAY force Superman to do what he wouldn't otherwise do.

[Double Down]

That's why I think Bale or his agent was incredibly smart in getting the role of John Connor. Instead of just doing low key films and hoping his acting gets noticed outside of playing a superhero, he dove right into another lead role in blockbuster franchise. Combine that with Killing Pablo and Public Enemies he's probably one of the few actors who's stock is actually rising after having a recurring superhero role while others just tend to hit plateau and the biggest they ever were was when they played the franchise superhero - Reeves, Maguire, Snipes, possibly Routh. Hugh Jackman is the only other guy I can think of that has really elevated from his comic book role and Bale is already moving past him.

I think the reverse is true, they were incredibly smart to get Bale when they did.

[CGHulk]

This is the way Superman should look imo!
http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/8034/jimleesupermanhc7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Super Kal]

lol, I know it's tempting to post pics of the Superman suit, but lets try and keep the suit talk to just talk, and if you really want to get into it, like I do :p, we do have a costume proposals thread :):up:

[CGHulk]

Yeah I know it's just bunk posted his pictures I said what the heck I'll just post my favorite Superman picture. ;)

[GreenKToo]

I'd love to know if they wanna redo the origin again, or just jump right into it. It's kinda hard to suggest actors when we don't yet know the age range they'll be shooting for.

[Jaspertian1105]

This is the way Superman should look imo!
http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/8034/jimleesupermanhc7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

yeah that's pretty much it, i would make the shorts darker or get rid of them. they work in the comic book world but in the real world it wouldn't look right

[bunk]

Jim Lee's symbol is pretty cool. Really the only variation I like.

[SentinelMind]

I like where this is going.....Superman Reboot is what this franchise needed.

[bullets]

I don't care so long as they don't cast Nicolas Cage as Superman.

[StarkTheProdigy]

i think the reboot is great
idk about the whole "darker" idea, thats more for a batman movie,
superman is like the opposite of a dark hero,
im not complaining, as long as this superman movie has great action/fight scenes, we need those

[NewYorkSpider]

I don't think you need to make the character of Superman dark, but just the elements around him. Like the villains and the story.

[Frontier]

Thank the gods on all this good news!

[StarkTheProdigy]

I don't think you need to make the character of Superman dark, but just the elements around him. Like the villains and the story.

true

[BATZARRO WWD]

rOUTh.

I didn't care much for that last movie. Here's hoping for good things.

[Thot]

Not sure what they mean by "reintroduce". Hopefully no time will be wasted on any sort of origin story. That would be a complete waste of time. They need to just jump right into an ass-kicking Man of Steel adventure from the first frame. I doubt very much that this Superman will have Bryan Singer anywhere around it. The only way to do this one right is to recast every role and hire new writers and a new director. I'm a bit nervous about the "dark and brooding" talk. Superman's world is NOT dark and brooding. Superman Returns' darker tone was one of it's problems.

[Brainiac 8]

Formula to make a good Superman movie:

*Remove any sign of the Donnerverse
*Get rid of any illigitimate children Superman might have
*Add an actual villian that is worth seeing Superman go toe to toe with
*Keep Luthor scheming in the backround
*Get rid of any Land scheme story
*Don't make Superman carry a continents worth of Kryptonite (Because he can't)

Ta-daa..the start of a good Superman movie.

I approve a re-boot. :up:

[mclay18]

I'm not against a reboot, I really am.

But Singer made SR and everyone just crapped on him for not fulfilling expectations for a Superman revitalization, so why isn't the studio giving him a second chance? I know many ways a potential sequel could go that could avoid the kid subplot and give the fans the Supes film they prefer with more action. That itself is disappointing, but that's the way businesses work.

And isn't the celebration premature? I mean, as far as we know officially, there are no writers or director attached to the reboot... so the production could go either way. I'd wait before throwing a "Singer's off Superman" celebration just yet. Who knows, we might get Joel Schumacher or... *shudder* Michael Bay.

[FVD]

Better Michael Bay than bloody Schumacher. I can see his Superman costume now. Rubber nipples anybody? :wow:


All them origin elements oughta be brief like in the opening credits in the Incredible Hulk. Sure everybody knows the origin story but a breath of fresh air would suffice. Lexcorp etc.

Still wondering who could make a good villain to start off with. Metallo or Brainiac. Perhaps Brainiac could be a start. We could still have Metallo in there or else John Corben. Perhaps Metallo could have a certain amount of screentime like when Harvey Dent turned into Twoface.

Just a thought.

[Crook]

I'm not against a reboot, I really am.

But Singer made SR and everyone just crapped on him for not fulfilling expectations for a Superman revitalization, so why isn't the studio giving him a second chance?
What is the logic behind that? If you "fail" the first time in Hollywood, more often than not you are booted. This shouldn't come as a surprise. It does not and should not take two tries to nail a character on film.

[Spade]

I really don't want to speculate on a director, but I'll say this much: I think Joel has learned enough from Batman that, if he ever had to do another superhero film, we wouldn't see so many mistakes on his part. Maybe I'm being generous, but the guy seems competent in other genres.

[8Diagrams(WU)]

A darker toned superman is indeed the upgrade that is nessesary. If the plan is to introduce him, then do the origin story and incorporate braniac. New score. New everything

Use the ultimate superman suit.

[Hole Shot]

Better Michael Bay than bloody Schumacher. I can see his Superman costume now. Rubber nipples anybody? :wow:

I hate to admit, but I think Bay could pull it off.

His slow mo, voice over, while kid is running down the street, cut to american flag, cut to woman staring off into space, cut to people in a bar staring at the news of the end of world crap would probably work in a Superman film.

[Spade]

No. Just...no. I could do with never seeing Superman spouting useless action movie dialogue.

[Hole Shot]

Oh, another thing I'm going to miss besides the Williams theme is Brando's Jor-El.

[Hole Shot]

No. Just...no. I could do with never seeing Superman spouting useless action movie dialogue.

Hey, I'm not a big fan of Bay. My favorite film of his is Armaggedon, because back in college it was a riot to watch stoned. I mean Bruce Willis launches golf balls at green peace then shoots ben affleck with a shotgun, Steve Buscemi is being Steve Buscemi, and so much more.

Unfortunately the majority of people that spend money on tickets aren't you and me, they're the people that turn so many of Bay's films into blockbusters. The guy is good at making high grossing action films, so I can understand why he's rumored to be considered for the film.

[Hole Shot]

Getting rid of the manties. Though, as you'll see my version would have the Quitely/Cooke briefs.

This was implementing changes I would want for a Singer sequel. The colors look off now that I've gotten a new monitor...

http://fc08.deviantart.com/fs21/f/2007/247/b/2/Supes_new_color_by_Bunk2.jpg

This is a sketch of what I'd do for a reboot. Shorter cape, longer briefs, cape over the shoulder, Gary Frank belt.

http://fc04.deviantart.com/fs28/f/2008/080/0/3/Supes_Costume_by_Bunk2.jpg



These two meeting somewhere in the middle would be nice. I'm not a huge fan of short capes though, I like the length of the first sketch.

[manofsteel4life]

Oh, another thing I'm going to miss besides the Williams theme is Brando's Jor-El.
i know.....but the Williams theme is what im gonna miss the mosthttp://forums.superherohype.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

[Superman-Prime]

R.I.P. Superman (1938-2008)

It's official. It's all Warner Bros' fault, especially the damn fool named Jeff Robinov.

I'm not going to see a Superman reboot film, especially I WON'T SUPPORT THIS.

Goodbye, Brandon Routh. Seriously, bad move, Warner Bros. Bad move.

[Spade]

R.I.P. Superman (1938-2008)

It's official. It's all Warner Bros' fault, especially the damn fool named Jeff Robinov.

I'm not going to see a Superman reboot film, especially I WON'T SUPPORT THIS.

Goodbye, Brandon Routh. Seriously, bad move, Warner Bros. Bad move.

Every time you post on this reboot, you sound like you're going to commit hara-kiri. You're not even going to give the reboot a chance? It sounds more like you're a fan of Brandon Routh than you are of Superman.

[Crook]

Once again, stop being such a presumptuous drama queen. :dry:

[manofsteel4life]

R.I.P. Superman (1938-2008)

It's official. It's all Warner Bros' fault, especially the damn fool named Jeff Robinov.

I'm not going to see a Superman reboot film, especially I WON'T SUPPORT THIS.

Goodbye, Brandon Routh. Seriously, bad move, Warner Bros. Bad move.
i know how you feel....cause ive felt that way for awhile, that's why ive been relatively quiet. But dont give up yet...its disapointing news, but there could be whole lot better coming our way.......things happen for a reason:cwink:

[Superman-Prime]

Every time you post on this reboot, you sound like you're going to commit hara-kiri. You're not even going to give the reboot a chance? It sounds more like you're a fan of Brandon Routh than you are of Superman.

I'm a fan of both, Superman and Brandon Routh. The main reason that Brandon Routh was awesome as Superman. He IS Superman. I loved Superman Returns, and I'm not TOO HAPPY with Robinov's decision. I hate him. He needs to be fired or whatever. Gosh, I want to beat Robinov up. I hate Warner Bros.

Oh and this is Robinov:

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/8258/robinovit6.jpg

I hope he read this! :cmad:

[Double Down]

I'm a fan of both, Superman and Brandon Routh. The main reason that Brandon Routh was awesome as Superman. He IS Superman. I loved Superman Returns, and I'm not TOO HAPPY with Robinov's decision. I hate him. He needs to be fired or whatever. Gosh, I want to beat Robinov up. I hate Warner Bros.

Oh and this is Robinov:

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/8258/robinovit6.jpg

I hope he read this! :cmad:


At least you have passion about it.

[Cousin Itt]

I'm a fan of both, Superman and Brandon Routh. The main reason that Brandon Routh was awesome as Superman. He IS Superman.

Routh is not Superman, he had no authority or presence at all.

He was just dull.

[RogueDK]

Routh is not Superman, he had no authority or presence at all.

He was just dull.



I try not to put too much blame on Routh as he was going by what the director wanted. Did he have more than a handful of lines to say during the entire film? Pretty hard to gauge Brandon's apptitude for the role under those circumstances. I'd hate to think that he was that bad...

I liked Routh but hated the direction Singer took the film.

[Timstuff]

I try not to put too much blame on Routh as he was going by what the director wanted. Did he have more than a handful of lines to say during the entire film? Pretty hard to gauge Brandon's apptitude for the role under those circumstances.

I liked Routh but hated the direction Singer took the film.

My thoughts exactly. I do not blame Routh for Singer's incompetence as a director and writer.

[SatEL]

My thoughts exactly. I do not blame Routh for Singer's incompetence as a director and writer.

Same here but there is some truth in Routh been Dull and having zero screen presence. Perhaps if Singer gave him more to work with and if SR was a good film, out of all this I pity Routh the most he was just a guy who was in the wrong film at the wrong time.

[the gael]

there is something i will never understand with Singer. He is a very capable director, he came on board with the right direction in mind ( no origin story, the returns of superman after many years, he kept the superman theme ), he had cast an amazing actor ( kevin spacey ) as luthor, and succeeded in casting someone that was right for the role ( remember how hard it was to have someone accepted as superman on the board )

And then, he took some very bad decisions ( kate botworth as lois lane, the kid, the lack of memorable action scene ), and where he was completely right in refusing an origin story, he gave us a superman 1 remake ( a very strange and unwise decision )

Why didn't he follow his idea of turning the Hackmann outdated Lex into the great conglomerate Lex ?

[hatebox]

SR failed both commercially and artistically (this is beginning to sound like a patrick bateman review) because it lacked focus. Comic book movies can and should present ambiguities and complexities but when there's no relevent or clear theme/story then things fall apart. No-one would say that plot wise TDK was anything less than ambitious, but no matter how broad in scope it got it never lost sight of the fact that ultimately it was about Batman and Gotham dealing with a terrorist.

SR never felt like it understood what it was about, and that's a sure way to not appeal to the mass audience. Superman Returns. From where? And why should I care? Where is the story picking up from?

Present a clear, focused theme and then create an interesting plot and characters around that.

[Angamb]

well, we know Angamb's opinion about reboots now.

I didn't understand this quote, hehe

[teseract]

Reboot? Yuck, I'd rather watch **** dry! More Post-Crisis Whinerman, who will be "Dark, Edgy and Realistic". Not a single shred of support from me for reboot dreck!

I'll stay with the Donner movies and the Fleischer Shorts, the TRUE Superman.

[Ita-KalEl]

Come on guys, it's sad (expecially for a SR lover like me), but it's time to tell the truth: Singer hasn't been able to continue the franchise.

Do you remember the "wrath of Khan" story? The old enemy that came from the past? He was clearly referring to Zod. Dan and Harris wanted to do another sequel/remake with Zod, Ursa and Non. During the international premieres of the movie they showed their Zod t-shirts...

But after the reaction of the fans (all the fans, apologists inlcluded) that asked for something new (Darkseid, Brainiac), they had to change their minds. The problem was that they didn't know how to write a story without Zod, because they haven't read a single superman comicbook in their life.
For Singer and his writers Superman=Christopher Reeve, and Superman's Univers=Donner's Universe.

I remember when a journalist asked Singer about the giant key of the Fortress of Solitude. Singer didn't even know what the journalist was talking about.

Singer wasn't able to develop his vision, simply because he didn't know Superman's villains and how to use them.

[dark_b]

Come on guys, it's sad (expecially for a SR lover like me), but it's time to tell the truth: Singer hasn't been able to continue the franchise.

Do you remember the "wrath of Khan" story? The old enemy that came from the past? He was clearly referring to Zod. Dan and Harris wanted to do another sequel/remake with Zod, Ursa and Non. During the international premieres of the movie they showed their Zod t-shirts...

But after the reaction of the fans (all the fans, apologists inlcluded) that asked for something new (Darkseid, Brainiac), they had to change their minds. The problem was that they didn't know how to write a story without Zod, because they haven't read a single superman comicbook in their life.
For Singer and his writers Superman=Christopher Reeve, and Superman's Univers=Donner's Universe.

I remember when a journalist asked Singer about the giant key of the Fortress of Solitude. Singer didn't even know what the journalist was talking about.

Singer wasn't able to develop his vision, simply because he didn't know Superman's villains and how to use them.i dont belive this. i think they had the zod t-shirts for a joke.
i really dont think that singer wanted Zod for hes sequel.

[daywalker2007]

why are people so sure that a reboot is going to make any more than superman returns did??

look at incredible hulk, it did worse than ang lee's hulk.
even with a super villian.

there is no need to reboot superman. he is not a character like batman who can just be changed left right and centre easily.

superman is sci fi alien territory.

there is no reason why a sequel with a good script and a super villian, along with a story line that allows for a cliff hanger ending is not possible.

all you need is a good set of writers.

and anyway, if WB were'nt happy with the "direction" of superman returns, why did they allow such a script with the "child" to go ahead??? i mean, its not rocket science to understand the story and decide there and then if its going to work or not.

its WB who greenlit superman returns and allowed for the continuation of the donner superman universe.

Considering they had already rebooted batman with batman begins in 2005. they should have decided to the reboot there and then with a clean slate if they were that concerned.

only morons at WB can come up with such pathetic decision making.

Batman begins came out. if they really wanted a reboot, they should have made "superman begins". would have saved all this hassle there and then.

how dumb are WB??

pathetic or what!

[dark_b]

why are people so sure that a reboot is going to make any more than superman returns did??

look at incredible hulk, it did worse than ang lee's hulk.
even with a super villian.

there is no need to reboot superman. he is not a character like batman who can just be changed left right and centre easily.

superman is sci fi alien territory.

there is no reason why a sequel with a good script and a super villian, along with a story line that allows for a cliff hanger ending is not possible.

all you need is a good set of writers.

and anyway, if WB were'nt happy with the "direction" of superman returns, why did they allow such a script with the "child" to go ahead??? i mean, its not rocket science to understand the story and decide there and then if its going to work or not.

its WB who greenlit superman returns and allowed for the continuation of the donner superman universe.

Considering they had already rebooted batman with batman begins in 2005. they should have decided to the reboot there and then with a clean slate if they were that concerned.

only morons at WB can come up with such pathetic decision making.

Batman begins came out. if they really wanted a reboot, they should have made "superman begins". would have saved all this hassle there and then.

how dumb are WB??

pathetic or what!
the reboot can make more money if it is more for the masses.
i just know that SR was not enough for the masses. they want a easie movie with action.
TDK is on a different level.

[daywalker2007]

what people don't understand though is that while batman is a superhero,
he is much easier to put into our real world, he has no superpowers, and is much much easier and believable as a possible "real" superhero.

thats what attracts people to the batman character, because in theory, a Batman could really exist in our world, however slim the chance is, it is possible.

with superman, there is much more complexity. he is essentially an alien, we are dealing with more fantasy elements.

to try and put nolan's batman and any type of superman in the same universe is going to be extremely difficult, if not impossible given the type of movie TDK is.

can you imagine superman flying past batman in a movie like TDK??

it would be ridiculous.

TDK worked because it feels like it could be a real event.

with superman, no chance.
superman is all fantasy.

[Ita-KalEl]

We don't have to ask ourself if the reboot will do more or less than Superman Returns. We have only to wait and see. Even a little improvement would please the execs. Remember even Batman Begins didn't break any record.

[hatebox]

We don't have to ask ourself if the reboot will do more or less than Superman Returns. We have only to wait and see. Even a little improvement would please the execs. Remember even Batman Begins didn't break any record.

No, but it's sequel did. I just can't see even a good Superman film doing that these days. There's no way to argue for or against it, but I truly believe the world has moved on.

[El Payaso]

the reboot can make more money if it is more for the masses.
i just know that SR was not enough for the masses. they want a easie movie with action.

Exactly what The Incredible Hulk was. With lots of CGI and punches.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Exactly what The Incredible Hulk was. With lots of CGI and punches.

Exactly, I hope for their sakes WB know what they are doing, or they could end up with a giant egg on their face.

And please tell me Mark Miller isnt involved with any re-boot.

[GreenLantern1]

Giving Superman a son is reason enough to reboot.

[Rishi]

Hulk was tainted by Ang Lee's. It only did as well as it did because it was as good as it was. The lack of promotion hurt it too.

[dark_b]

Exactly what The Incredible Hulk was. With lots of CGI and punches.i likes ang lees hulk better.
the military action in hulk 03 was better then in TIH. TIH was not a brainless action movie. it tryed to be deep. tryed.
the only better thing that 03 hulk didnt have was a normal superhero fight,

[StarkTheProdigy]

i just want superman too have a real villian
sorry, but lex is getting old,
superman has cooler villians that he could fight
owell, i just hope this movie has better action sequences

[GreenKToo]

We don't have to ask ourself if the reboot will do more or less than Superman Returns. We have only to wait and see. Even a little improvement would please the execs. Remember even Batman Begins didn't break any record.
The best thing they could do is start it off by hiring a really well known director to get the masses excited. Then line up a top notch cast. TOP NOTCH. No Mtv video stars or models. I'm talking real ACTORS that have, and can, do a film like this.
If they do it right, I see no reason a Superman film couldnt pull in 300/350 mill dom.
It all hinges on the *IF's* though, and there's Lots of em'.

[SatEL]

The best thing they could do is start it off by hiring a really well known director to get the masses excited. Then line up a top notch cast. TOP NOTCH. No Mtv video stars or models. I'm talking real ACTORS that have, and can, do a film like this.
If they do it right, I see no reason a Superman film couldnt pull in 300/350 mill dom.
It all hinges on the *IF's* though, and there's Lots of em'.

Your right without a doubt a reboot could make that number perhaps even more, SR isolated teenagers and kids who hate soap opera drama. If you have an amazing story for the adults and money shoots for kids and the teens the film will excel. Nothing in SR was exciting save for the plane rescue and that was in the first half of the movie.

[GreenKToo]

Your right without a doubt a reboot could make that number perhaps even more, SR isolated teenagers and kids who hate soap opera drama. If you have an amazing story for the adults and money shoots for kids and the teens the film will excel. Nothing in SR was exciting save for the plane rescue and that was in the first half of the movie.
Once we know who the director is, we'll have a pretty good idea of what type of film we can expect. Hopefully, the choice will blow us away.

[Showtime]

Come on guys, it's sad (expecially for a SR lover like me), but it's time to tell the truth: Singer hasn't been able to continue the franchise.

Do you remember the "wrath of Khan" story? The old enemy that came from the past? He was clearly referring to Zod. Dan and Harris wanted to do another sequel/remake with Zod, Ursa and Non. During the international premieres of the movie they showed their Zod t-shirts...

But after the reaction of the fans (all the fans, apologists inlcluded) that asked for something new (Darkseid, Brainiac), they had to change their minds. The problem was that they didn't know how to write a story without Zod, because they haven't read a single superman comicbook in their life.
For Singer and his writers Superman=Christopher Reeve, and Superman's Univers=Donner's Universe.

I remember when a journalist asked Singer about the giant key of the Fortress of Solitude. Singer didn't even know what the journalist was talking about.

Singer wasn't able to develop his vision, simply because he didn't know Superman's villains and how to use them.

That is a complete and utter fabrication. Zod was never going to be in the sequel, I am not sure why you believe that. :huh:

[Sam]

Wow! ppl were really desperate for news! over a thousand comments! lol

I want to talk about only one thing about this anoucment. Mr. Robinov said "We're going to try to go dark to the extent that the characters allow it"

I think there is no reason for ppl to banish this like the are doing. Take a look at what he says: "THE EXTENT THAT THE CHARECTERS ALLOW IT". This is key words from his statment.

He wasnt talking about Superman specific, but DC heroes in general. Is character doesnt allow a lot of room to darkness, they wont do it. There is no reason to belive they are going to make a dark Superman, like Dark Knight. Calm down, ppl.

Besides, now (FINALLY) seems that Warner is working with DC on this. So DC and its creators will, heplfully, serve as a guide for warner about what each character can do. Thats good news.

[Showtime]

i dont belive this. i think they had the zod t-shirts for a joke.
i really dont think that singer wanted Zod for hes sequel.

You are right, it was a complete joke, they were messing with the fans.

[GreenKToo]

Wow! ppl were really desperate for news! over a thousand comments! lol

I want to talk about only one thing about this anoucment. Mr. Robinov said "We're going to try to go dark to the extent that the characters allow it"

I think there is no reason for ppl to banish this like the are doing. Take a look at what he says: "THE EXTENT THAT THE CHARECTERS ALLOW IT". This is key words from his statment.

He wasnt talking about Superman specific, but DC heroes in general. Is character doesnt allow a lot of room to darkness, they wont do it. There is no reason to belive they are going to make a dark Superman, like Dark Knight. Calm down, ppl.

Besides, now (FINALLY) seems that Warner is working with DC on this. So DC and its creators will, heplfully, serve as a guide for warner about what each character can do. Thats good news.
I know. Lots of folks have pointed out that the ''Dark to the extent the characters allow'' is most likely referring to the villains, and how the hero(es) deal with them.
At least that's how I take it.

[ray243]

Hopefully, when they meant a dark film...it means the tone of the film is dark, with superman being the sole light in the room.

How do you ensure there can be more brightness to superman himself? Darken his surronding...and make the the most visible light of ray throughout the darkness.


You set a dark tone, and let superman brighten up the tone, which is the polar opposite with TDK.

TDK have a story where it becomes darker and darker in tone.

Superman film on the other hand should start with a dark tone that becomes better and better.


P.S. I don't think Nolan is happy if they are going to link Nolan's version of batman with superman.

[Nixon]

Hulk was tainted by Ang Lee's. It only did as well as it did because it was as good as it was. The lack of promotion hurt it too.

Don't most movies do as well as they do because they're as good as they are?

And it wasn't Ang Lee's Hulk that sank TIH, it's that it was big, dumb, loud and forgetable and the reviews and word of mouth reflected that.

[Showtime]

I think Ang's Hulk is part of it, I really just think both movies have proven that Hulk isn't a relevant hero to the general public. They just don't care enough about Hulk.

[nintendo nerd]

I have learned two things on the last couple of days:

1. Superman is the most important thing, I hope the new franchise does well and that we can enjoy the new film.

2. Don't believe anything Showtime says. He is always wrong.

[dark_b]

he he he
funny since he said there will be news after comic con or after TDK.

[Showtime]

2. Don't believe anything Showtime says. He is always wrong.

Heh Heh. Really? Kind of like when I told you previously that WB was looking for new directors and exploring a reboot and that Singer was likely to get a producer or writing credit and you got mad and called me names.

It's all right there in my posts...

[nintendo nerd]

he he he
funny since he said there will be news after comic con or after TDK.

He he he. We were going to hear news eventually. You don't have to be Nostradamus to know that.

[batman44]

2. Don't believe anything Showtime says. He is always wrong.

Show seemed to be pretty accurate to me.

[Showtime]

He he he. We were going to hear news eventually. You don't have to be Nostradamus to know that.

When I posted negative news you got mad and flamed me, on two occasions, when I posted news there would be a Superman sequel with Singer you praised me. Make up your mind.

[dark_b]

He he he. We were going to hear news eventually. You don't have to be Nostradamus to know that.the guy knows what he tels. he always says that nothing is 100%.
there was still a chance for a sequel.
but TDK changed everything.

[nintendo nerd]

Heh Heh. Really? Kind of like when I told you previously that WB was looking for new directors and exploring a reboot and that Singer was likely to get a producer or writing credit and you got mad and called me names.

It's all right there in my posts...

Hehehe. One week you said MOS was happening and the next week you said it wasn't. You never made up your mind. That's your style. You like to play both sides.

[GreenKToo]

If it gets released in summer 0f 2010, then we should start hearing alot more news soon. I can't wait.

[Showtime]

Hehehe. One week you said MOS was happening and the next week you said it wasn't. You never made up your mind. That's your style. You like to play both sides.

If you say so, but my posts prove you completely wrong. Everytime I mentioned a falling out and talk of a reboot it was reported elsehwhere and everytime i talked about things possibly working out it was reported elsewhere...

[nintendo nerd]

If this reboot is released on 2010 or 2011. Expect SR numbers. It will be very similar to what happened with TIH, which was far superior to Ang's Hulk but it barely made a little more.

[dark_b]

Hehehe. One week you said MOS was happening and the next week you said it wasn't. You never made up your mind. That's your style. You like to play both sides.to me it looks like WB were the ones who couldnt make up their mind.

[GreenKToo]

You can't blame show, he only reports what he's told. Had you rather he say nothing at all?

[Showtime]

He can blame me if he wants...I don't care. He should be blaming Singer, he was the one dragging his feet not me.

[nintendo nerd]

If you say so, but my posts prove you completely wrong. Everytime I mentioned a falling out and talk of a reboot it was reported elsehwhere and everytime i talked about things possibly working out it was reported elsewhere...

Yes, dude. We all know you think you are perfect. :whatever:

Fact is you played both sides. So there was no way you could've been wrong.

If it was a sequel, you would say: "See, I told you we were going to have a sequel"

It is was a reboot, you would say:" See, I told you we were going to have a reboot".

You just like to be the attraction on this boards. Congratulations :down

[Eggyman]

Come on everyone, turn a blind eye so Show can b****slap this bumole :hehe:

[GreenKToo]

well, I for one am just glad we're getting another Superman film. I've never cared if it was a sequel or reboot.

[Golgo-13]

A re-boot is the best thing. Although i think they dropped the ball not making the last movie, SR, the movie that re-boots the franchise, as enough time had passed between the original movies and SR for it to be effective. Now, WB will have to worry about an 'TIH' type effect, where ppl are confused about whether it's a re-boot or not considering the time between it will be just as short as the time was between Hulk 20003 and TIH.

Hopefully they'll do a better job making it clear they're starting from scratch, with the marketing plan.

[batman44]

Somebody is angry about not getting a sequel.

[GreenKToo]

Come on everyone, turn a blind eye so Show can b****slap this bumole :hehe:
:word:

[nintendo nerd]

He can blame me if he wants...I don't care. He should be blaming Singer, he was the one dragging his feet not me.

I don't blame you. What I don't like is how you change the news every week.
And I just don't blame Singer, I also blame WB.

[mego joe]

Come on everyone, turn a blind eye so Show can b****slap this bumole :hehe:

I'm not looking....

[Showtime]

Yes, dude. We all know you think you are perfect. :whatever:

Fact is you played both sides. So there was no way you could've been wrong.

If it was a sequel, you would say: "See, I told you we were going to have a sequel"

It is was a reboot, you would say:" See, I told you we were going to have a reboot".

You just like to be the attraction on this boards. Congratulations :down

I love it. You did the same thing twice already, when things don't go the way you want them you call me out. You had no problem with it before, but now because you aren't getting what you want, you want to attack me. Go for it.

[nintendo nerd]

Somebody is angry about not getting a sequel.

Same would've happened if it a was a sequel instead of a reboot. You can't please everyone.

[Showtime]

I don't blame you. What I don't like is how you change the news every week.
And I just don't blame Singer, I also blame WB.

Never changed news every week, prove it. Go ahead. You can't.

I changed news when WB changed news.

[batman44]

Same would've happened if it a was a sequel instead of a reboot. You can't please everyone.

I would've been alittle dissapointed, but I wouldn't be calling Show a lie and niether would you (had you got the sequel). Frankly, a few of you guys on not getting a sequel are taking it way to personal. Atleast you have one Superman movie you really enjoyed.

[Anita18]

Oh, another thing I'm going to miss besides the Williams theme is Brando's Jor-El.
What's with the Williams theme and Marlon Brando that makes them indispensable to a Superman movie? Yes, they're iconic, but for the old films. Superman is a comic book character that is more than 75 years old - surely they can come up with something newly iconic for him.

and anyway, if WB were'nt happy with the "direction" of superman returns, why did they allow such a script with the "child" to go ahead??? i mean, its not rocket science to understand the story and decide there and then if its going to work or not.
WB greenlit a superhero script where one of the most famous villains in the comic book series dies after about 30 minutes of screentime, two of the most iconic villains are used in the second film of a (probably presumptuously) presumed trilogy, the final hero vs. villain "mano a mano" fight is about a minute long, and the hero fails to save the day. I'll let you guess which film that is. :cwink:

In hindsight, writing the kid in was dumb, but he could have worked in a series if Jason's paternity were truly ambiguous. Superman could spend the trilogy wondering about the boy, or...not. Maybe he could have learned to move on and think of the kid as an extension of Lois, but without the obsession to insert himself into her life. But once they made it clear that he was Superman's son, the fate of the future movies was sealed - they HAD to include the kid.

i likes ang lees hulk better.
the military action in hulk 03 was better then in TIH. TIH was not a brainless action movie. it tryed to be deep. tryed.
the only better thing that 03 hulk didnt have was a normal superhero fight,
The whole bit where Banner and his father yelled and tried to fight each other didn't count? :oldrazz:

SR failed both commercially and artistically (this is beginning to sound like a patrick bateman review) because it lacked focus. Comic book movies can and should present ambiguities and complexities but when there's no relevent or clear theme/story then things fall apart. No-one would say that plot wise TDK was anything less than ambitious, but no matter how broad in scope it got it never lost sight of the fact that ultimately it was about Batman and Gotham dealing with a terrorist.

SR never felt like it understood what it was about, and that's a sure way to not appeal to the mass audience. Superman Returns. From where? And why should I care? Where is the story picking up from?

Present a clear, focused theme and then create an interesting plot and characters around that.
Exactly. Lex's dumb scheme could have been stomachable had it been related in any way to Superman's emotional conflict. But it came out of left field, and one story didn't have anything to do with the other, aside from have Lois and son conveniently find themselves on Lex's yacht.

[GreenKToo]

It was inevitable that one side was going to be disappointed. I think once the director, writer(s), and cast are announced, folks will get behind it. IF their true Superman fans that is.

[The Batkilt]

i dont belive this. i think they had the zod t-shirts for a joke.
i really dont think that singer wanted Zod for hes sequel.

I don't doubt that he did. Around the time of Superman Returns there was quite a bit said about Jude Law being Singer's vision for Zod, and that when Law didn't want to do it the plan for Zod in Returns was scrapped. How truthful that might be is debatable, but I don't doubt there's an element of truth to it. And it wouldn't surprise me if Singer's plan was to get Law onboard as Zod for his SR sequel before the plans changed.

[RogueDK]

Giving Superman a son is reason enough to reboot.


Absolutely reason enough! I wanted a reboot the very moment the little brat was introduced onscreen.

That was just...DUMB! :cmad:

[GreenKToo]

To the Batkilt:
Oh man. Can you imagine the outcry if Zod would have been the villain in Singer's sequel? I doubt he would have been, but still......

[BMM]

I don’t have a problem with “reintroducing” Superman, as I’m pretty indifferent to a sequel or a reboot. I am disappointed that Routh will no longer be involved, which is unfortunately expected with a reboot.

[FlawlessVictory]

2. Don't believe anything Showtime says. He is always wrong.

You have ZERO credibility on the SHH boards and you sound like a complete moron.

First, you go off *****ing and moaning for weeks about TIH and how bad a movie it is before giving the movie a chance. Then you see the movie and open a thread stating that you were wrong that you actually liked the film and thought it was good.

Second, you compare TDK to Spider-Man 3 by stating Nolan was unable to handle multiple characters and that TDK was a complete mess.

Now, you pull off this crap. What you don't realize is that WB themselves was split over how to handle this project. So, of course Showtime would have news one time leaning towards a sequel and another time leaning towards a reboot. Fact of the matter is, WB was playing both sides of the fence.

But Showtime was right with his info, because weeks later when he revealed a piece of info it would come out in the trades confirming what he heard.

So really do yourself a favor and get a clue!

[green]

I really hope this means we are gonna get an extended cut of Returns with the return to Krypton sequence finally.

[BMM]

I really hope this means we are gonna get an extended cut of Returns with the return to Krypton sequence finally.

The Return to Krypton sequence is definitely something I want to see one way or another.

[The Batkilt]

To the Batkilt:
Oh man. Can you imagine the outcry if Zod would have been the villain in Singer's sequel? I doubt he would have been, but still......

Yeah, I know! I don't think that was the definitive plan Singer had in mind for a sequel, but I don't think he'd completely written off involving Zod at some point. The gap in time between Superman leaving and returning to Metropolis leaves room opened for Zod to be brought into the movies.

[Nixon]

He can blame me if he wants...I don't care. He should be blaming Singer, he was the one dragging his feet not me.

Is this what did him in? Dragging his feet over creative control?

[Anita18]

A re-boot is the best thing. Although i think they dropped the ball not making the last movie, SR, the movie that re-boots the franchise, as enough time had passed between the original movies and SR for it to be effective. Now, WB will have to worry about an 'TIH' type effect, where ppl are confused about whether it's a re-boot or not considering the time between it will be just as short as the time was between Hulk 20003 and TIH.

Hopefully they'll do a better job making it clear they're starting from scratch, with the marketing plan.
I also think a reboot is the best way to go from here, but I think it's waaaaay too soon. People didn't go to see TIH not because they were confused over the continuity. They didn't go because they didn't like the last one. Simple as that.

The turnaround time between Hulk films was 5 years, and it's clear that was too soon. The turnaround time between rebooted Batman films was 8 years, and that was on the verge of being too soon since BB didn't do all that hot in theaters. Opening weekend numbers were subpar, but fantastic word of mouth helped it to a 4.21 multiplier, which....well, if TDK had that multiplier, it would be easily earn over $660 million total. :woot:

The marketing people on TIH tried to differentiate the film from Lee's by packing the trailers full of action, but I think there's only so much you can do with marketing, since people are getting more savvy about it. We all know the all the good stuff is already in the trailer. :hehe:

The only way to prove that the movie is really different is to have people see it for themselves, and that's difficult to accomplish when the last film that they remember was meh. That most likely means the first film in the rebooted continuity probably won't do all that well. The question is, whether WB is willing to face that reality.

The way they approached BB was good, at least in hindsight (after the initial freakout about the box office :oldrazz: ). Make it obvious that it's different, but don't shove it down people's throats. Let the film speak on its own. If it's good, it will do that easily. Have the public discover it for themselves, even if it's just on DVD. And see if they are willing to come back for more.

As TDK has proven, they will, and in droves. Of course, it's not just BB that's made TDK successful - WB brought out the full marketing blitz this time around, and boy, was it fantastic. Trailers, posters, TV spots EVERYWHERE, the viral marketing, everything was great. Ledger's death added to the box office, there's no denying that, but people would not be coming back to the theaters unless the film was good.

Anyhow, if TDK had been the film directly after B&R, it wouldn't be nearly so successful. WB has to be willing to take a financial hit on the reboot, and I think the hit will be less drastic if they waited a few more years, sad to say.

[BATZARRO WWD]

I'll hold my optimism until WB can offer something more than words(and I don't mean no stinkin' release date, either...)

[chamber-music]

It was the Kid that killed the movie. An SR sequel would of been salvageable without the kid.

[KobiKai]

It was the Kid that killed the movie. An SR sequel would of been salvageable without the kid.

IMO nothing worked in Superman Returns, the kid was just the escape goat

[Eggyman]

It was the Kid that killed the movie. An SR sequel would of been salvageable without the kid.


Yes. The kid had painted the sequel into a corner.

[Nixon]

The marketing people on TIH tried to differentiate the film from Lee's by packing the trailers full of action, but I think there's only so much you can do with marketing, since people are getting more savvy about it. We all know the all the good stuff is already in the trailer. :hehe:

The only way to prove that the movie is really different is to have people see it for themselves, and that's difficult to accomplish when the last film that they remember was meh. That most likely means the first film in the rebooted continuity probably won't do all that well. The question is, whether WB is willing to face that reality.


What was word of mouth like on TIH though? I mean, I was the last of my circle of friends, co-workers, professors to get a chance to see it and I almost didn't go because their reviews of the film ranged from forgettable to suck. I didn't read too many overly positive reviews in the paper either.

You said it yourself, look at what the word of mouth did for BB. Idon't think it was that TIH was too soon, I think it was a matter of the movie not being too good. That, and maybe as Showtime said, the Hulk simply not being something that resonates with audiences.

[sdc10]

It was the Kid that killed the movie. An SR sequel would of been salvageable without the kid.

If they did make a sequel how would they not include the kid? I mean he is Supes kid, what are they gonna say? "oh hes just on vacation right now"

[FlawlessVictory]

If they did make a sequel how would they not include the kid? I mean he is Supes kid, what are they gonna say? "oh hes just on vacation right now"

:huh:

WTF? They are not making a sequel! What part of "WB confirms Superman reboot" did you not understand?

[dark_b]

:huh:

WTF? They are not making a sequel! What part of "WB confirms Superman reboot" did you not understand?come one boy. read hes post. try it....try it.

[Eggyman]

Well, I'm stoked. Changed my avy and am wearing some red underoos to celebrate.

[bunk]

I'll hold my optimism until WB can offer something more than words(and I don't mean no stinkin' release date, either...)


I'm holding my optimism as well. All one needs to do is take a look at Justice League: Mortal to know how easily this thing can take a nose dive. When they get a solid director, script, and are putting together a quality cast I'll start getting excited.

[chamber-music]

If they did make a sequel how would they not include the kid? I mean he is Supes kid, what are they gonna say? "oh hes just on vacation right now"

What I meant was without the kid being introduced in SR it might of been more possible to make a sequel to SR. The kid really put WB in a corner and left them little option but to reboot the franchise

[Anita18]

What was word of mouth like on TIH though? I mean, I was the last of my circle of friends, co-workers, professors to get a chance to see it and I almost didn't go because their reviews of the film ranged from forgettable to suck. I didn't read too many overly positive reviews in the paper either.

You said it yourself, look at what the word of mouth did for BB. Idon't think it was that TIH was too soon, I think it was a matter of the movie not being too good. That, and maybe as Showtime said, the Hulk simply not being something that resonates with audiences.
Judging from the box office, I'd say a little bit better than 2003's Hulk. TIH had a 2.42 multiplier, and Hulk had a 2.13 multiplier. Neither are exceptional, but TIH had slightly better legs.

What's telling is that TIH took a beating on its opening weekend ($55 million vs. $62 million in 2003), which was presumably because people weren't raring to go see a new Hulk movie. For most big summer action films, the first two weekends gives you a solid idea of how a film's going to do overall. Both Hulk films fell more than 60% in its opening weekend, but the 2003 version fell nearly 70% so that's why it didn't make more money despite a larger OW.

B&R and BB had comparable opening weekends, but B&R had a 2.5 multiplier vs. BB's 4.21 so...yeah. WOM was clearly better for BB. TDK stands at a 3.0+ multiplier right now, and that's amazing considering it had the biggest OW in history. It burned off that much demand right off the bat, and yet it still has a pretty decent multiplier.

Ew, B&R had a better multiplier than both Hulk movies? That's pretty pathetic. :o

[El Payaso]

i likes ang lees hulk better.
the military action in hulk 03 was better then in TIH. TIH was not a brainless action movie. it tryed to be deep. tryed.
the only better thing that 03 hulk didnt have was a normal superhero fight,

I agree with everything.

My point is that a reboot won't make more money if it is more for the masses - easie movie with action - necessarily.

[GreenKToo]

I look for this thing to have the hell marketed out of it.

[FlawlessVictory]

I look for this thing to have the hell marketed out of it.

Yea, TIH really got kicked to the curb in terms of marketing in favor of Iron Man. All eggs were pretty much put in IM's basket. WB will give this next Superman film the exposure it needs. Plus, the marketing must make it clear it has NO connection to the Donner/Singer films. Hell, call the movie "Superman Begins" if you have to. But people can't go in wondering where the movie fits among the other films.

[GreenKToo]

Yea, TIH really got kicked to the curb in terms of marketing in favor of Iron Man. All eggs were pretty much put in IM's basket. WB will give this next Superman film the exposure it needs. Plus, the marketing must make it clear it has NO connection to the Donner/Singer films. Hell, call the movie "Superman Begins" if you have to. But people can't go in wondering where the movie fits among the other films.
I really think they'll give it TDK treatment. It'd be crazy not to.

[Crook]

Not to mention after SR underperformed, there was word of a shift in the marketing department. Since then, all of WB's movies have been marketed amazingly. :up:

[Nixon]

I look for this thing to have the hell marketed out of it.

If there isn't a Daily Planet viral site I'm going to be disappointed. :boba:

[GreenKToo]

Yea, TIH really got kicked to the curb in terms of marketing in favor of Iron Man. All eggs were pretty much put in IM's basket. WB will give this next Superman film the exposure it needs. Plus, the marketing must make it clear it has NO connection to the Donner/Singer films. Hell, call the movie "Superman Begins" if you have to. But people can't go in wondering where the movie fits among the other films.
Supposedly, W.B. wants Superman and Batman 3 released in the same summer two months apart (rumors I know). Still, it'd be interesting if they somehow combined the marketing campaign of both films.

[RogueDK]

Supposedly, W.B. wants Superman and Batman 3 released in the same summer two months apart (rumors I know). Still, it'd be interesting if they somehow combined the marketing campaign of both films.




That would be full out awesome if WB could pull that off. :word:

[GreenKToo]

That would be full out awesome if WB could pull that off. :word:
Maybe somebody will put that little bug in their ear.:yay:

[TDK08]

I think a movie where superman isnt always a goody two shoes and is more of a kicking ass and taking names kinda guy is what this reboot needs.

Superman returns was fine IMO but it just needed an attitude change and the movie needed more action/fighting/ grittier feeling to it.

Sadly they must reboot because they cant just make a sequel with a total mood change like that it would just seem out of place.

[I Am The Knight]

Ew, B&R had a better multiplier than both Hulk movies? That's pretty pathetic. :o

I blame the 90's :hehe:

[bunk]

Supposedly, W.B. wants Superman and Batman 3 released in the same summer two months apart (rumors I know). Still, it'd be interesting if they somehow combined the marketing campaign of both films.


That would be awesome! :wow:

[Mikelus]

What was word of mouth like on TIH though? I mean, I was the last of my circle of friends, co-workers, professors to get a chance to see it and I almost didn't go because their reviews of the film ranged from forgettable to suck. I didn't read too many overly positive reviews in the paper either.


Yeah sure.... that's why it has a B+ rating at Mojo:
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=incrediblehulk.htm

Plus plenty of positive reviews and critics (google them if you want), as Showtime said, people don't care that much about the green monster.

[Superman-Prime]

Somebody is angry about not getting a sequel.

I am!!! :cmad:

I'm very furious that I won't be able to see the sequel in the future. Instead of we are getting a STUPID ****in' Superman Reboot!!

I've been looking forward to see the sequel, but NOPE! ALL OF IDIOTS CALLED SR HATERS HAS WON!!! They are very happy with the Warner Bros' decision.

Poor Brandon Routh. He won't be able to wear the blue tight with red cape again because ****IN' SUPERMAN REBOOT IS GONNA BE HAPPEN!!!

[BenReilly]

Yea, TIH really got kicked to the curb in terms of marketing in favor of Iron Man. All eggs were pretty much put in IM's basket.

What does Iron Man have to do with how TIH was marketed? Both movies were marketed and distributed by two different studios. There's no correlation between the two.

[Eggyman]

'Very furious' :lmao:

[GreenKToo]

That would be awesome! :wow:
It'd get hella buzz going.

[Spider-Fan]

Supposedly, W.B. wants Superman and Batman 3 released in the same summer two months apart (rumors I know). Still, it'd be interesting if they somehow combined the marketing campaign of both films.

I doubt this will end up happening. 2011 would have too much superhero competition in the summer if Supes and Bats were slated for it (though it seems to be happening anyway). They should put one in the summer (probably Bats) and one in the Winter (Supes).

[I Am The Knight]

I am!!! :cmad:

I'm very furious that I won't be able to see the sequel in the future. Instead of we are getting a STUPID ****in' Superman Reboot!!

I've been looking forward to see the sequel, but NOPE! ALL OF IDIOTS CALLED SR HATERS HAS WON!!! They are very happy with the Warner Bros' decision.

Poor Brandon Routh. He won't be able to wear the blue tight with red cape again because ****IN' SUPERMAN REBOOT IS GONNA BE HAPPEN!!!

Oh, shut up. You're a Superman fan, correct? So, as Superman fans, we should all be at least cautiously optimistic about this news. I loved SR, but this is probably for the best, and I'm damn excited about it.

[FlawlessVictory]

What does Iron Man have to do with how TIH was marketed? Both movies were marketed and distributed by two different studios. There's no correlation between the two.

Ok, then lets just say WB can't treat Superman the way Universal did TIH which I know won't happen. Marvel doesn't have a say at all in terms of the marketing campaigns for Paramount and Universal?

[Spider-Fan]

Ok, then lets just say WB can't treat Superman the way Universal did TIH which I know won't happen. Marvel doesn't have a say at all in terms of the marketing campaigns for Paramount and Universal?

Universal is to blame for Hulk's marketing. Marvel (as per the contracts) doesn't handle the marketing for their films. That would be the distributor. In TIH's case, Universal. Paramount did a better job marketing IM than Universal did Hulk.

[GreenKToo]

Ok, then lets just say WB can't treat Superman the way Universal did TIH which I know won't happen. Marvel doesn't have a say at all in terms of the marketing campaigns for Paramount and Universal?
I think S.R. taught W.B. that the Superman name alone won't sell him. Not that the marketing was horrid for it or anything, but it could have been better.
TIH's marketing just plain out sucked.

[nocomics]

aha so a more dark superman? how is this again good news?

ohhh i get it. desperation so even a tim burton superman would work right?

i sense fear.
I don't think they mean 'Dark' as superman being a dick or killing ppl. I think they are gonna do darker tone movie,maybe more or hopefully more action far as villain to fight or something in that regards. Also,maybe daker story tone; no love triangle with lois,well I guess that could work if done right. Theres alot of options just need to get it right..
SR was okay,decent story,and dialog,but no or little action,and it seemed more depressing than it should of been. Plus they just rehashed the orginal superman I story plot.
I would hope they would try to bring back Routh,and maybe kevin spacey if possible. I thought Routh was good,just did'nt have much to do or say in SR.

[SatEL]

It was inevitable that one side was going to be disappointed. I think once the director, writer(s), and cast are announced, folks will get behind it. IF their true Superman fans that is.

Amen friend amen, I have been saying it for a while now but my personal belief is some of these people are solely Singer and Routh fans.

[manofsteel4life]

Amen friend amen, I have been saying it for a while now but my personal belief is some of these people are solely Singer and Routh fans.most of it is because some of us loved SR....and that's all we know, since Donner and Reeves......were dispointed....but most of us arent close minded though

[Mikelus]

I am!!! :cmad:

I'm very furious that I won't be able to see the sequel in the future. Instead of we are getting a STUPID ****in' Superman Reboot!!

I've been looking forward to see the sequel, but NOPE! ALL OF IDIOTS CALLED SR HATERS HAS WON!!! They are very happy with the Warner Bros' decision.

Poor Brandon Routh. He won't be able to wear the blue tight with red cape again because ****IN' SUPERMAN REBOOT IS GONNA BE HAPPEN!!!

What a terrible temper, is just a movie, not the end of the world.... :whatever:
Oh, and watch that language junior. :o

[Spider-Fan]

I am!!! :cmad:

I'm very furious that I won't be able to see the sequel in the future. Instead of we are getting a STUPID ****in' Superman Reboot!!

I've been looking forward to see the sequel, but NOPE! ALL OF IDIOTS CALLED SR HATERS HAS WON!!! They are very happy with the Warner Bros' decision.

Poor Brandon Routh. He won't be able to wear the blue tight with red cape again because ****IN' SUPERMAN REBOOT IS GONNA BE HAPPEN!!!

SR haters are not idiots :whatever:

You may have liked the movie, but after all this time of nothing happening, you had to see the writing on the wall. It is just a movie. Who knows, maybe you'll love this reboot more than SR. Give it a chance.

[GreenKToo]

What a terrible temper, is just a movie, not the end of the world.... :whatever:
Oh, and watch that language junior. :o
Heh. He's always like that. That one is one of the more milder posts of his.

[Lightning54SC]

im so happy to hear they took returns as the failure it was, when a huge fan of superman like myself that waited 20 years to see it on the silver screen pases out during what could have been the most epic movie of the 21st century i chalk that up as failure....

Thank you WB for admitting to a problem and sucking it up like a man and dealing with it... i know you guys will hit it on the head this time around... if your offering jobs id be happy to provide my services! hahahaha no seriously

[Superman-Prime]

Oh, shut up. You're a Superman fan, correct? So, as Superman fans, we should all be at least cautiously optimistic about this news. I loved SR, but this is probably for the best, and I'm damn excited about it.

You're telling me to shut up? Fine. I will shut the hell up.

Yes, I'm a fan of Superman for many years since I was a kid. A true Superman fan. I'm not too thrill for the reboot.

I mean, do we HAVE to see the origin again? Oh, and dark Superman? How will that work? I don't like the idea.

We saw:

I can't remember if there is a origin in Kirk Alyn's Superman The Serial. There was no origin of Superboy. (I've seen the whole season 1, no origin).

1. George Reeves' The Adventures of Superman
2. Christopher Reeve's Superman The Movie
3. Dean Cain's Lois & Clark: The New Adventures of Superman.
4. Superman The Animated Series
5. Smallville

We all know what happened in Superman's origin.

Still, I'm not too thrill about the reboot. Really. I loved Superman Returns and it deserves to have a sequel.

[Superman-Prime]

What a terrible temper, is just a movie, not the end of the world.... :whatever:
Oh, and watch that language junior. :o

And I'm Don Vito.

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SR haters are not idiots :whatever:

Because they are too happy that they finally got a Superman Reboot.

You may have liked the movie, but after all this time of nothing happening, you had to see the writing on the wall. It is just a movie. Who knows, maybe you'll love this reboot more than SR. Give it a chance.

I don't know if I could give a chance.

[Showtime]

Enough. No name calling. Let us all wait and see what happens instead of going nuts. This new Superman movie could be the best Superman movie we have ever seen, so why don't we calm it on both sides.

[Spider-Fan]

And I'm Don Vito.

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Because they are too happy that they finally got a Superman Reboot.



I don't know if I could give a chance.

I am happy about the reboot, as someone who disliked SR. I am a fan of Ang Lee's Hulk, and I lost interest in TIH when they said it wasn't a sequel, but a reboot. However, I ended up loving TIH more than Lee's.

Point being, give it a chance. In the end, you may be surprised.

[Crook]

I don't know if I could give a chance.You've seen every incarnation of Supes dating back to the 50s. So you should know that there are many ways you can handle the character, and handle it well.

Yet a new film that intends to be the Superman film that everyone can enjoy, you cannot handle? Or give a chance? Simply because a film you loved isn't getting a sequel? That's being irrational.

[Anita18]

Yea, TIH really got kicked to the curb in terms of marketing in favor of Iron Man. All eggs were pretty much put in IM's basket. WB will give this next Superman film the exposure it needs. Plus, the marketing must make it clear it has NO connection to the Donner/Singer films. Hell, call the movie "Superman Begins" if you have to. But people can't go in wondering where the movie fits among the other films.
As I mentioned earlier, this could also backfire on them. The last Superman the public remembers, they thought was meh. They might not appreciate having a new one marketed so prominently.

And the title "Batman Begins" still didn't help some people who thought it was a prequel to B89. :dry:

[GreenKToo]

One peek of the villain in leaked pics will change alot of minds. Imagine seeing Darkseid or Brainiac for the first time.

[Spider-Fan]

One peek of the villain in leaked pics will change alot of minds. Imagine seeing Darkseid or Brainiac for the first time.

Darkseid is not a first movie villain. I say this for villains:

Origin movie: Luthor and either Metallo or Parasite

Non-origin movie, but story involves Superman's origin: Luthor and Timmverse Brainiac

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

I can easily let everybody who worked on Superman Returns go, without a blink of an eye...

They clearly did not deliver what the public wanted with the Superman character at the time... if they even wanted him at all.



However... Brandon Routh did an exceptional job, under those circumstances, and with a little more time could become the Superman for a new generation. He needs to grow in confidence and who knows...


- New director
- New Cast
- New and improved story, with more action...
- Do away with the superman theme if you have to...

But keep the Routh... I really think he deserves it!

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Calm down Superman-Prime. If this news was the opposite of what it is, I'd be pissed but I wouldn't name call, I wouldn't call the folk who liked SR idiots.

I honestly can't tell you to give this movie a chance if you are that angry about this news because I wouldn't give an SR sequel a chance, atleast not in theaters.

More power to you on that angle.

[Superman-Prime]

Enough. No name calling. Let us all wait and see what happens instead of going nuts. This new Superman movie could be the best Superman movie we have ever seen, so why don't we calm it on both sides.

I'm sorry.

I am happy about the reboot, as someone who disliked SR. I am a fan of Ang Lee's Hulk, and I lost interest in TIH when they said it wasn't a sequel, but a reboot. However, I ended up loving TIH more than Lee's.

Ang Lee's HULK was terrible. I loved The Incredible Hulk. Too bad, there's no sequel of TIH in the future.

Point being, give it a chance. In the end, you may be surprised.

I don't know about this. Dark Superman?

You've seen every incarnation of Supes dating back to the 50s. So you should know that there are many ways you can handle the character, and handle it well.

Right. I loved them all, execpt for Superboy. Season 1 sucked. Seriously, a man who cannot act as Superboy, can't handle to fly at all. He ruined the whole season 1. I want to see Superboy Season 2 with Christopher Gerard. From what I heard that it has gotten much better than Season 1. Still waiting for the announce for Superboy Season 2 DVD from Warner Bros.

Yet a new film that intends to be the Superman film that everyone can enjoy, you cannot handle? Or give a chance? Simply because a film you loved isn't getting a sequel? That's being irrational.

Seriously... DARK Superman? I don't know if I could give a chance.

[SatEL]

You're telling me to shut up? Fine. I will shut the hell up.

Yes, I'm a fan of Superman for many years since I was a kid. A true Superman fan. I'm not too thrill for the reboot.

I mean, do we HAVE to see the origin again? Oh, and dark Superman? How will that work? I don't like the idea.

We saw:

I can't remember if there is a origin in Kirk Alyn's Superman The Serial. There was no origin of Superboy. (I've seen the whole season 1, no origin).

1. George Reeves' The Adventures of Superman
2. Christopher Reeve's Superman The Movie
3. Dean Cain's Lois & Clark: The New Adventures of Superman.
4. Superman The Animated Series
5. Smallville

We all know what happened in Superman's origin.

Still, I'm not too thrill about the reboot. Really. I loved Superman Returns and it deserves to have a sequel.


George Reeve Superman show never had an origin story, and neither did Lois and Clark, they only briefly touched on it.

[Spider-Fan]

I can easily let everybody who worked on Superman Returns go, without a blink of an eye...

They clearly did not deliver what the public wanted with the Superman character at the time... if they even wanted him at all.



However... Brandon Routh did an exceptional job, under those circumstances, and with a little more time could become the Superman for a new generation. He needs to grow in confidence and who knows...


- New director
- New Cast
- New and improved story, with more action...
- Do away with the superman theme if you have to...

But keep the Routh... I really think he deserves it!

Its a reboot, so keeping Routh would confuse people. Plus, he was uninteresting.

Calm down Superman-Prime. If this news was the opposite of what it is, I'd be pissed but I wouldn't name call, I wouldn't call the folk who liked SR idiots.

I honestly can't tell you to give this movie a chance if you are that angry about this news because I wouldn't give an SR sequel a chance, atleast not in theaters.

More power to you on that angle.

I'll be honest, I would have seen the sequel opening day, despite thinking it would suck. I'm too much of a Superman fan to skip the movie entirely. I just wouldn't have been psyched for it. This reboot I am psyched for, though (pending cast/crew, of course)

[FlawlessVictory]

Calm down Superman-Prime. If this news was the opposite of what it is, I'd be pissed but I wouldn't name call, I wouldn't call the folk who liked SR idiots.

I honestly can't tell you to give this movie a chance if you are that angry about this news because I wouldn't give an SR sequel a chance, atleast not in theaters.

More power to you on that angle.

There's a big difference though. With SR2, you know you would be getting more Jason, more Spacey Lex, more Bosworth Lois, more Richard etc... So you know you don't want to see the sequel based on anything that was set up in SR. Right now we have no idea what the story is for the reboot, so the two aren't comparable. One should keep more of an open mind at this point.

[Spider-Fan]

I'm sorry.



Ang Lee's HULK was terrible. I loved The Incredible Hulk. Too bad, there's no sequel of TIH in the future.



I don't know about this. Dark Superman?



Right. I loved them all, execpt for Superboy. Season 1 sucked. Seriously, a man who cannot act as Superboy, can't handle to fly at all. He ruined the whole season 1. I want to see Superboy Season 2 with Christopher Gerard. From what I heard that it has gotten much better than Season 1. Still waiting for the announce for Superboy Season 2 DVD from Warner Bros.



Seriously... DARK Superman? I don't know if I could give a chance.

I think they mean dark as in darker than SR or the Donner movies. Not Batman dark. I think the tone will be appropriate for Superman.

[SatEL]

Dp.

[SatEL]

I can easily let everybody who worked on Superman Returns go, without a blink of an eye...

They clearly did not deliver what the public wanted with the Superman character at the time... if they even wanted him at all.



However... Brandon Routh did an exceptional job, under those circumstances, and with a little more time could become the Superman for a new generation. He needs to grow in confidence and who knows...


- New director
- New Cast
- New and improved story, with more action...
- Do away with the superman theme if you have to...

But keep the Routh... I really think he deserves it!

It will be hard enough to convinve people this is not a sequel to SR and by adding Routh they would be going against the purpose of a reboot. I have nothing against Routh I am sure his a nice guy but SR really finished whatever dream of being Superman he had.

[FlawlessVictory]

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[Motown Marvel]

to me, the true bummer about doing a reboot is they're giving up on the numerous and excellent possibilities for a sequel (even ones that can be pleasing to those who disliked SR).

and it hink they should keep routh, they can do these reboots almost as prequels to SR. like they said, a re-0introduction. SR took place long after he's been superman, so what came before? thats what these films can be.

[echostation]

Henry Cavill step up to the plate please!!!

[Anita18]

I can easily let everybody who worked on Superman Returns go, without a blink of an eye...
Anyone who worked on character, story, and script can go. Everyone else can stay. :oldrazz:

[X Knight]

you know.....wouldn't it be just something......if after all this talk of reboot/reintroduction etc.........WB came out and announced that Singer was still on board and that they're going ahead with a SR sequel............

I mean.......I'm excited and all....but nothing's for sure yet.....is it?

[I SEE SPIDEY]

to me, the true bummer about doing a reboot is they're giving up on the numerous and excellent possibilities for a sequel (even ones that can be pleasing to those who disliked SR).

and it hink they should keep routh, they can do these reboots almost as prequels to SR. like they said, a re-0introduction. SR took place long after he's been superman, so what came before? thats what these films can be.Sorry, I only saw the possiblity of crap if the SR universe was continued.

[FlawlessVictory]

to me, the true bummer about doing a reboot is they're giving up on the numerous and excellent possibilities for a sequel (even ones that can be pleasing to those who disliked SR).

I disliked SR and can't find one thing about that movie that I would consider even a decent possibility to build on for the sequel.

and it hink they should keep routh, they can do these reboots almost as prequels to SR. like they said, a re-0introduction. SR took place long after he's been superman, so what came before? thats what these films can be.

Who wants to do a prequel to a movie that divided the fanbase so much to begin with?! So what, we still have to look forward to the idea that Superman will sleep with Lois leave without saying bye and Lois will have a child and have Richard as her fiance but they won't know for awhile that the the child is actually Superman's? A prequel for that garbage? A prequel that builds up to more real estate Lex. HELL NO. Reboot means clean break, start from scratch with no ties to anything on film now!

[SatEL]

to me, the true bummer about doing a reboot is they're giving up on the numerous and excellent possibilities for a sequel (even ones that can be pleasing to those who disliked SR).

and it hink they should keep routh, they can do these reboots almost as prequels to SR. like they said, a re-0introduction. SR took place long after he's been superman, so what came before? thats what these films can be.

I and many seem to disagree with that and it seems WB do as well.

[FlawlessVictory]

you know.....wouldn't it be just something......if after all this talk of reboot/reintroduction etc.........WB came out and announced that Singer was still on board and that they're going ahead with a SR sequel............

I mean.......I'm excited and all....but nothing's for sure yet.....is it?

Robinov stated Superman would be reintroduced, that SR failed to position the character the way they wanted to. Once you say a character needs to be reintroduced, all bets are off with the sequel. It doesn't get more sure than coming out of the mouth of Robinov.

And believe me, reintroduce is just a nicer way of saying reboot. :cwink:

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

How can you really criticize anyone for being uninteresting in this role...

It Superman...!


A guy in blue suit, red pants and a cape... running around fighting for truth and Justice!

Lets think:

---------------------------------------------------------

An action-packed, dramatically charged Superman trilogy...

The big bad guy could be darkseid... and he slowly reveals his hand as we approach a third movie. Throughout this, we could see many great superman villains and even heroes, as the story twists and turns:


Bottom Line... Produce a good script... with good dialogue and exceptional action... And people will accept Brandon Routh.


To emphasize... Drop the Donner influence big time and bring Superman into the 21 century... this was the crucial mistake Singer made!!!!


I want a Superman movie... not a love letter to a by-gone era!

[SatEL]

you know.....wouldn't it be just something......if after all this talk of reboot/reintroduction etc.........WB came out and announced that Singer was still on board and that they're going ahead with a SR sequel............

I mean.......I'm excited and all....but nothing's for sure yet.....is it?

Various sites are buzzing with the news of a reboot and people are really positive about the prospect of a reboot, if WB were undecided before they certainly might be swayed by peoples reactions.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Robinov stated Superman would be reintroduced, that SR failed to position the character the way they wanted to. Once you say a character needs to be reintroduced, all bets are off with the sequel. It doesn't get more sure than coming out of the mouth of Robinov.

And believe me, reintroduce is just a nicer way of saying reboot. :cwink:I agree. I never expected the word reboot to be used if this news came out.

To answer you Super-Bats:

I'd be Super pissed if that happened but I think we are safely away from the Donner/Singer version. Relax, take in the awesome news.

[Keyser Soze]

I'm not particularly keen on a Superman reboot. I'd much rather they go for the "loose sequel" approach. Because amongst all the other DC heroes WB hopes to introduce to the movies, the last thing we need is ANOTHER origin movie.

[Slipping_Halo]

I just pray Mark Millar's team moves in for the kill and whatever they've got up their sleeve is something good. If they don't deliver with a decent freakin' Superman suit, I'm going to have to kill people.

[I Am The Knight]

I just pray Mark Millar's team moves in for the kill and whatever they've got up their sleeve is something good. If they don't deliver with a decent freakin' Superman suit, I'm going to have to kill people.

:huh::huh::huh:

[04nbod]

relax! at the very least we'll have to wait for probably another draft of Millar's script, thats if he does get chosen. More likely we'll have to wait for the script to start from scratch.

I think we should calm down and wait to see how Green Lantern and Green Arrow go under this new direction considering their scripts are well under way.

[X Knight]

I know I SEE SPIDEY and Flawless. I just......don't want to get too excited...lest my hopes get dashed once again. After all, I was pretty excited when Singer was announced to direct.....and, well.....we all know how THAT turned out......lol. ;)

p.s. I must say, it's great to be back as Super-Bats!! This was my original "identity" here on the Hype boards; I just couldn't get a feel for all those other names I tried! lol.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I'm not particularly keen on a Superman reboot. I'd much rather they go for the "loose sequel" approach. Because amongst all the other DC heroes WB hopes to introduce to the movies, the last thing we need is ANOTHER origin movie.Who said it was going to be a fullblown wait 35 minutes to see the hero orgin movie? I personally wouldn't mind that but we don't know if thats the case yet.

I mean seriously, Singer didn't do an orgin movie and we still didn't get a Supervillain battle.

I know I SEE SPIDEY and Flawless. I just......don't want to get too excited...lest my hopes get dashed once again. After all, I was pretty excited when Singer was announced to direct.....and, well.....we all know how THAT turned out......lol. ;)

p.s. I must say, it's great to be back as Super-Bats!! This was my original "identity" here on the Hype boards; I just couldn't get a feel for all those other names I tried! lol.I like the name too, just keep it. So I can remember who the hell you actually are. lol.

I understand your reluctence and hey you are probably taking a more smart tactic than I but I'm just going to be happy right now.

Next time they pic a director ask me, I was never that excited about Singer as the director and even less excited when I heard his ideas.;)

[manofsteel4life]

relax! at the very least we'll have to wait for probably another draft of Millar's script, thats if he does get chosen. More likely we'll have to wait for the script to start from scratch.

I think we should calm down and wait to see how Green Lantern and Green Arrow go under this new direction considering their scripts are well under way.
but i thought wb already have a script...thats why they confirmed a reboot:huh:

[FlawlessVictory]

I know I SEE SPIDEY and Flawless. I just......don't want to get too excited...lest my hopes get dashed once again. After all, I was pretty excited when Singer was announced to direct.....and, well.....we all know how THAT turned out......lol. ;)

Yup, I was excited when Singer was announced as well. :csad:

p.s. I must say, it's great to be back as Super-Bats!! This was my original "identity" here on the Hype boards; I just couldn't get a feel for all those other names I tried! lol.

Haha, well you certainly tried!

Who said it was going to be a fullblown wait 35 minutes to see the hero orgin movie? I personally wouldn't mind that but we don't know if thats the case yet.

I mean seriously, Singer didn't do an orgin movie and we still didn't get a Supervillain battle.

Yea, I don't get this either. People hear "reboot" and are like OMG 40 min on origin, I've seen the origin 50 kabillion times, NOOOOOOOO. Reboot doesn't automatically mean that. They could show the origin in 5 min during opening credits, or perhaps a couple of flashbacks during the movie. But honestly, my preference is to spend some time on the origin. The Donner origin is so dated.

[FaT_tONle]

LOL I have more quotes from Steve/Archangel (I can't believe I'm posting that):



"I've been grilling my friends in low places and here's what I know.....

The "dark" comment is not so much of the characters themselves, but of the universe they will be portrayed in. All the solo characters will be in the same time line and continuity as Batman so they can combine the characters in a similar way as Marvel is doing. Gotham has always been a much darker and more criminal city than any other. The solo films not only need to have a tone that separates themselves from each other, but also connects them without having to think to hard about it. Batman, being their most successful comic franchise, will serve as the launching point that JLA was meant to be.

From what I was told today, the aim is to get Batman 3 and the new Superman film out during the same summer with Batman releasing first and Superman two months later. Most likely in 2011, but 2010 if they can manage to pull it off. I've also been told that they appear to have narrowed down the writers for the Superman reboot in just the past few days which is sad for us, while great news at the same time if Mark Millar is on that short list. George Miller, now that JLA has officially been bumped to follow Marvel's lead, may be given Wonder Woman where he can groom his darling Megan Gale, but it's far from locked up. Look for Snyder to come in and do a solo film as well. We already know he passed on Superman, but Green Lantern has become a possible option. Peter Jackson, though he is co-writing The Hobbit, had his schedule suddenly free up and is rumored to have been called for a film as well. And yes, James Cameron's name is still floating around as well.

I hope the full announcement with their schedule is released soon so we know exactly what is still rumor and what is cold hard fact. At the very least, we know Routh, Bosworth, and company are gone. Thank God for small favors!

- Steve"


***

"I've been told Routh is gone, but Singer has the option to be a producer. As stated in a recent article, "...if he gets in the way, he's gone."

- Steve"

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WOW a lot of things in common with Showtime's story.

Sounds like a load to me... anyone agree? I am assuming this guy has no credibility because I doubt a word of this is true.

[FlawlessVictory]

but i thought wb already have a script...thats why they confirmed a reboot:huh:

WB only knows that they don't want to continue Singer's SR story. But they have no script yet for their new approach.


Part 1:

1) Bryan Singer will not be directing this reintroduction of Superman.

2) Brandon Routh will not be playing Superman in this reintroduction.

3) Logically, the rest of the cast and themes are also out.

4) "Reintroduction" equates to "Reboot" -- Presently, this means an approach
akin to The Incredible Hulk.

5) 2011 target date.

Part 2:

6. "Reintroduction" is Robinov being diplomatic...this is in order not to upset all parties. This includes fans of Superman Returns.

7. Ideally, the studio would like to have one or two comidbook films from DC in 2010, so if the script comes together we MIGHT see it in 2010.

Part 3:

Straight from the horse's mouth:

8. "I think to the smarties out there, though, this should all be pretty obvious at this point... and I should add that bolded points 4 and 5 are, of course, subject to modified (i.e. in approach and release date)..."

9."Be assured of this: though you can't always please everyone, the studio honestly wants to make red & blue work for both the general audience and the fans; and they hope they can find the right approach to do it."

[I Am The Knight]

Why are people talking about Millar doing the reboot :huh:

[mclay18]

What is the logic behind that? If you "fail" the first time in Hollywood, more often than not you are booted. This shouldn't come as a surprise. It does not and should not take two tries to nail a character on film.

Singer has had his share of failures before he even snagged the first two X-Men films (Apt Pupil, Lions' Den), and X2 showed how good of an improvement he made over the first film. I don't see how a SR sequel could be an exception to that. And I can see why so many fans didn't like SR (such as the obvious storyline), but still... not everyone can like everything.

Heck, I know a few people who didn't like/were disappointed with TDK. Still, a Superman reboot seems like a waste of time when a revamp sounds more sensible (and more cost-effective considering the completed sets, sequel options, etc.).

I'm just not celebrating yet. We DON'T have a director, we DON'T have a script, and we DON'T have a cast for the reboot. It's all preliminary, and as Showtime pointed out, plans can change.

[manofsteel4life]

WB only knows that they don't want to continue Singer's SR story. But they have no script yet for their new approach.
o ok.....thanks Flaw

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Singer has had his share of failures before he even snagged the first two X-Men films (Apt Pupil, Lions' Den), and X2 showed how good of an improvement he made over the first film. I don't see how a SR sequel could be an exception to that. And I can see why so many fans didn't like SR (such as the obvious storyline), but still... not everyone can like everything.

Heck, I know a few people who didn't like/were disappointed with TDK. Still, a Superman reboot seems like a waste of time when a revamp sounds more sensible (and more cost-effective considering the completed sets, sequel options, etc.).

I'm just not celebrating yet. We DON'T have a director, we DON'T have a script, and we DON'T have a cast for the reboot. It's all preliminary, and as Showtime pointed out, plans can change.You aren't excited because you liked SR. Understandable.

[BenReilly]

George Reeve Superman show never had an origin story, and neither did Lois and Clark, they only briefly touched on it.

The George Reeves Superman show did have an origin. The very first episode "Superman on Earth", covered Superman's complete origin from Krypton, Smallville, and Metropolis.

Here you go:

http://video.aol.com/video/superman-on-earth/1657903


Lois and Clark didn't though. The series started off with Clark arriving in Metropolis for the first time and discovering his past throughout the first season.

[Showtime]

Everything right now is in the very early stages, so of course things can change. Anne Thompson is saying that Singer is still involved at some level, as did an executive several days before this. It's still very confusing, but it will be cleared up for everybody.

[manofsteel4life]

Singer has had his share of failures before he even snagged the first two X-Men films (Apt Pupil, Lions' Den), and X2 showed how good of an improvement he made over the first film. I don't see how a SR sequel could be an exception to that. And I can see why so many fans didn't like SR (such as the obvious storyline), but still... not everyone can like everything.

Heck, I know a few people who didn't like/were disappointed with TDK. Still, a Superman reboot seems like a waste of time when a revamp sounds more sensible (and more cost-effective considering the completed sets, sequel options, etc.).

I'm just not celebrating yet. We DON'T have a director, we DON'T have a script, and we DON'T have a cast for the reboot. It's all preliminary, and as Showtime pointed out, plans can change.
im with you.....but i am as someone commented..."caustiously optmistic"

[Crook]

Singer has had his share of failures before he even snagged the first two X-Men films (Apt Pupil, Lions' Den)
Those weren't franchise films. They were stand-alones.

and X2 showed how good of an improvement he made over the first film. I don't see how a SR sequel could be an exception to that.
Because the public embraced the first one and wanted to see more.

And I can see why so many fans didn't like SR (such as the obvious storyline), but still... not everyone can like everything.

Heck, I know a few people who didn't like/were disappointed with TDK.
Yes, 1 outta like...50 people don't like TDK. You can't please everybody, but you can sure as hell please a great majority.

Still, a Superman reboot seems like a waste of time when a revamp sounds more sensible (and more cost-effective considering the completed sets, sequel options, etc.).
It's a waste of time? We now have a fresh slate and a chance to get everyone back on-board that were turned off by SR. When was the last time a film that was so debated and considered a failure by many, get a sequel that actually united everyone again? I can't think of any. Reboot was absolutely the right thing to do.

I'm just not celebrating yet. We DON'T have a director, we DON'T have a script, and we DON'T have a cast for the reboot. It's all preliminary, and as Showtime pointed out, plans can change.
We're celebrating the opportunities that are now present with Singer and co. gone. Sure it could go downhill once again, but as of now it's completely open to a whole slew of possibilities.

[SatEL]

Why are people talking about Millar doing the reboot :huh:

:huh:Good question.

[mclay18]

I SEE SPIDEY: I do... hell, I love BB, SR and TDK equally. Nothing wrong with that.

It's just you anti-SR people are throwing a celebration for a reboot when it's just too soon to start judging whether it'll be good. Nothing been set yet, the WB said that a Superman reboot will come in 2010/2011... that's it. No writers or director attached.

Let's be realistic here. Nothing's set in stone yet.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Millar's ideas sound terrible.

[manofsteel4life]

Those weren't franchise films. They were stand-alones.


Because the public embraced the first one and wanted to see more.


Yes, 1 outta like...50 people don't like TDK. You can't please everybody, but you can sure as hell please a great majority.


It's a waste of time? We now have a fresh slate and a chance to get everyone back on-board that were turned off by SR. When was the last time a film that was so debated and considered a failure by many, get a sequel that actually united everyone again? I can't think of any. Reboot was absolutely the right thing to do.


We're celebrating the opportunities that are now present with Singer and co. gone. Sure it could go downhill once again, but as of now it's completely open to a whole slew of possibilities.true....that's why i remain open minded

[FlawlessVictory]

I SEE SPIDEY: I do... hell, I love BB, SR and TDK equally. Nothing wrong with that.

It's just you anti-SR people are throwing a celebration for a reboot when it's just too soon to start judging whether it'll be good. Nothing been set yet, the WB said that a Superman reboot will come in 2010/2011... that's it. No writers or director attached.

Let's be realistic here. Nothing's set in stone yet.

My celebration right now is more geared towards knowing SR2 won't be made and possibilites that now exist with a new Superman story with no baggage attached to it.

Edit: Crook beat me to it. :yay:

[mclay18]

We're celebrating the opportunities that are now present with Singer and co. gone. Sure it could go downhill once again, but as of now it's completely open to a whole slew of possibilities.

Exactly. It could go either way.

If a director and/or writers that I liked were attached to the Superman reboot, then I'd feel better about it.

And whoever wanted Michael Bay as a possible director ought to reexamine the kind of movies he makes. He may be for patriotic, MASCULINE movies, but most of 'em aren't good. All eye candy, no substance.

I don't want a hamfisted Superman with excessive CGI, shaky camerawork and badly-edited action scenes. A Bay Superman movie would be infinitely worse than any SR sequel Singer could've come up with.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

My celebration right now is more geared towards knowing SR2 won't be made and possibilites that now exist with a new Superman story with no baggage attached to it.Exactly. And that WB admitted that SR was a failure as a film.

It's hollywood, ofcourse anything could fall apart but right they aren't making an SR 2.

[SatEL]

The George Reeves Superman show did have an origin. The very first episode "Superman on Earth", covered Superman's complete origin from Krypton, Smallville, and Metropolis.

Here you go:

http://video.aol.com/video/superman-on-earth/1657903


Lois and Clark didn't though. The series started off with Clark arriving in Metropolis for the first time and discovering his past throughout the first season.

I stand corrected you are right, Wow that was really good considering it was made in the 50's.

[mclay18]

My celebration right now is more geared towards knowing SR2 won't be made and possibilites that now exist with a new Superman story with no baggage attached to it.

If it's ANOTHER origin story, it's going to invite comparison between the '78 movie. And I wouldn't want a Superman movie made like Tim Burton's first Batman film where the villain upstages the superhero, either.

Still, if Warners changes their mind regarding a Superman reboot, then I'll be the one to say "I TOLD you so!" :woot:

[Octoberist]

I don't want an origin story. Everyone knows it.

[FlawlessVictory]

If it's ANOTHER origin story, it's going to invite comparison between the '78 movie.

So? Because something has been done before, it can never be attempted again? Good thing Nolan didn't get that memo when he decided to use the Joker in TDK. Is Donner's movie perfect and not allowed to be touched? I don't think so. It's great but extremely dated and can be very much improved upon, IMO.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Ok, then lets just say WB can't treat Superman the way Universal did TIH which I know won't happen. Marvel doesn't have a say at all in terms of the marketing campaigns for Paramount and Universal?

Universal is to blame for Hulk's marketing. Marvel (as per the contracts) doesn't handle the marketing for their films. That would be the distributor. In TIH's case, Universal. Paramount did a better job marketing IM than Universal did Hulk.

:whatever:If have to hear this one more time, MARVEL was in charge of the marketing for BOTH Iron Man AND The Incredible Hulk, this was known from the start, and was confirmed on this very board by people working on those productions. I am a BIG Marvel fan, but plain and simple, they ****ed up TIH's marketing. They are to blame, not Universal.

[Crook]

If it's ANOTHER origin story, it's going to invite comparison between the '78 movie.
Honestly, what isn't? Every Superman film, especially the first in the series, is ALWAYS gonna get compared to Donner's. That's the nature of things.

And I say bring on the comparisons. Donner's was a film for that era, and now we possibly have a film for ours (SR obviously wasn't). What's wrong with that exactly?

[SatEL]

If it's ANOTHER origin story, it's going to invite comparison between the '78 movie. And I wouldn't want a Superman movie made like Tim Burton's first Batman film where the villain upstages the superhero, either.

Still, if Warners changes their mind regarding a Superman reboot, then I'll be the one to say "I TOLD you so!" :woot:

30yrs ago folks Donners film was 30yrs ago.

[KobiKai]

A big rumor today is that Fernando Torres has been approached to be Superman

[FlawlessVictory]

30yrs ago folks Donners film was 30yrs ago.

LOL, some people just can't seem to let go, as if the movie was personally handed to us by God. :wow:

Donner's film can be improved upon.

[teseract]

It was inevitable that one side was going to be disappointed. I think once the director, writer(s), and cast are announced, folks will get behind it. IF their true Superman fans that is.

Wrong, because I am a true Superman fan I will NEVER get behind this reboot dreck. I didn't get behind the abomination that is Post-Crisis Superman, I didn't get behind the stupid, brainless moron that was TAS Superman and I only got behind SR because it used the second time Superman was done perfectly on the big screen as a template, namely STM, but I was dissapointed in the characterization, getting yet another Post-Crisis Whinerman. I will never support a reboot that discards the Donnerverse. Superman IS the Donner version, I do not accept or support all the other SINO's! And this new reboot bollocks will be another SINO I will love to hate!

[FaT_tONle]

So? Because something has been done before, it can never be attempted again? Good thing Nolan didn't get that memo when he decided to use the Joker in TDK. Is Donner's movie perfect and not allowed to be touched? I don't think so. It's great but extremely dated and can be very much improved upon, IMO.

An origin movie is a very bad idea IMO. The plan shouldn't be to relaunch a franchise. This movie should be a reintroduction with plans of making an ensemble movie like TIH was. If you get bogged down in yet another origin you won't have time to completely develop the character. WB should be expecting to make three or four sequels to the majority of theses superhero films. BB was the exception because it was so well done. I don't see how Superman can have similar success especially if it's another origin since the character is out dated and SH origin movies are getting quite stale and formulaic these days. It definitely won't make much more money than SR IMO.

[FlawlessVictory]

Wrong, because I am a true Superman fan I will NEVER get behind this reboot dreck. I didn't get behind the abomination that is Post-Crisis Superman, I didn't get behind the stupid, brainless moron that was TAS Superman and I only got behind SR because it used the second time Superman was done perfectly on the big screen as a template, namely STM, but I was dissapointed in the characterization, getting yet another Post-Crisis Whinerman. I will never support a reboot that discards the Donnerverse. Superman IS the Donner version, I do not accept or support all the other SINO's! And this new reboot bollocks will be another SINO I will love to hate!

:lmao:

[I Am The Knight]

I don't want an origin story. Everyone knows it.

I didn't know you didn't want one. You might want to PM me next time, before you make such bold claims. "Everyone" ... Sure, Mr. Popular :o

[I SEE SPIDEY]

:lmao:Exactly. It's that kind of Hyperbole that made Singer not make his own movie. I loved Raimi's Spider-Man movies (one and two atleast) but there is no way that I want his Spider-Man when they reboot the franchise. I want something new.

People aren't too tired of orgin stories. Iron Man just made 317mil.

I didn't know you didn't want one. You might want to PM me next time, before you make such bold claims. "Everyone" ... Sure, Mr. Popular :olol I didn't know either.

[Crook]

Wrong, because I am a true Superman fan I will NEVER get behind this reboot dreck. I didn't get behind the abomination that is Post-Crisis Superman, I didn't get behind the stupid, brainless moron that was TAS Superman and I only got behind SR because it used the second time Superman was done perfectly on the big screen as a template, namely STM, but I was dissapointed in the characterization, getting yet another Post-Crisis Whinerman. I will never support a reboot that discards the Donnerverse. Superman IS the Donner version, I do not accept or support all the other SINO's! And this new reboot bollocks will be another SINO I will love to hate!
Someone's stuck in the past. :hehe:

An origin movie is a very bad idea IMO. The plan shouldn't be to relaunch a franchise. This movie should be a reintroduction with plans of making an ensemble movie like TIH was. If you get bogged down in yet another origin you won't have time to completely develop the character.
What? The origin is the character, how can you possibly rationalize that as detracting from development? It's a story of his roots and how he came to be the man he is.

WB should be expecting to make three or four sequels to the majority of theses superhero films. BB was the exception because it was so well done. I don't see how Superman can have similar success especially if it's another origin since the character is out dated
That is why you make the character relevant to the modern age. My god, if we're so pessimistic about being outdated, these characters would have died out decades ago.

and SH origin movies are getting quite stale and formulaic these days.
So because others are failing to raise the bar, we should just stop trying? Not very proactive. TDK and Hellboy proved to be worthy films that could be seen more than just a typical comic book adaptation. There's no reason to think Superman can't follow that same mold.

It definitely won't make much more money than SR IMO.
We know absolutely nothing about this production besides it's a reboot and already jumping to conclusions? It's clear you've already set in your mind what this film is gonna be.

[SatEL]

Wrong, because I am a true Superman fan I will NEVER get behind this reboot dreck. I didn't get behind the abomination that is Post-Crisis Superman, I didn't get behind the stupid, brainless moron that was TAS Superman and I only got behind SR because it used the second time Superman was done perfectly on the big screen as a template, namely STM, but I was dissapointed in the characterization, getting yet another Post-Crisis Whinerman. I will never support a reboot that discards the Donnerverse. Superman IS the Donner version, I do not accept or support all the other SINO's! And this new reboot bollocks will be another SINO I will love to hate!

Are you aware there was a fictional character called Superman prior to Richard Donners take? Your probably just trolling because you didnt get your way but oh well just thought I would clue you in.

[I Am The Knight]

Wrong, because I am a true Superman fan I will NEVER get behind this reboot dreck. I didn't get behind the abomination that is Post-Crisis Superman, I didn't get behind the stupid, brainless moron that was TAS Superman and I only got behind SR because it used the second time Superman was done perfectly on the big screen as a template, namely STM, but I was dissapointed in the characterization, getting yet another Post-Crisis Whinerman. I will never support a reboot that discards the Donnerverse. Superman IS the Donner version, I do not accept or support all the other SINO's! And this new reboot bollocks will be another SINO I will love to hate!

And I thought MY jokes were bad... :dry:

[Jochimus]

To hell with it, just take a cue from S:TAS and Johns and tie elements of the origin into the introduction of Brainiac. That way you can address the origin without having to completely rehash it, AND you won't have to have Lex as the main villain for the umpteenth time.

[VenomsMom]

:whatever:If have to hear this one more time, MARVEL was in charge of the marketing for BOTH Iron Man AND The Incredible Hulk, this was known from the start, and was confirmed on this very board by people working on those productions. I am a BIG Marvel fan, but plain and simple, they ****ed up TIH's marketing. They are to blame, not Universal.
Either way....the marketing was F-ed up for TIH as well as the bad publicity with Marvel and Norton. Iron Man was getting all the attention. IMO it was a vast improvement on Ang Lees Hulk. Expectations should have been right around what it ended up with for Marvel with all the baggage of the previous movie gone. Now with that gone....I think it can move forward.

[Spider-Fan]

An origin movie is a very bad idea IMO. The plan shouldn't be to relaunch a franchise. This movie should be a reintroduction with plans of making an ensemble movie like TIH was. If you get bogged down in yet another origin you won't have time to completely develop the character. WB should be expecting to make three or four sequels to the majority of theses superhero films. BB was the exception because it was so well done. I don't see how Superman can have similar success especially if it's another origin since the character is out dated and SH origin movies are getting quite stale and formulaic these days. It definitely won't make much more money than SR IMO.

I agree. Superman's origin is consistant pretty much throughout, thus an origin movie would be similar. Now, an movie that discusses his origin like TIH is a good idea. We don't need full on origin, though. Superman is not like Iron Man. His origin is iconic, and doesn't need retold a million times on the big screen.

[VenomsMom]

Wrong, because I am a true Superman fan I will NEVER get behind this reboot dreck. I didn't get behind the abomination that is Post-Crisis Superman, I didn't get behind the stupid, brainless moron that was TAS Superman and I only got behind SR because it used the second time Superman was done perfectly on the big screen as a template, namely STM, but I was dissapointed in the characterization, getting yet another Post-Crisis Whinerman. I will never support a reboot that discards the Donnerverse. Superman IS the Donner version, I do not accept or support all the other SINO's! And this new reboot bollocks will be another SINO I will love to hate!
Way to be open minded.

[teseract]

Are you aware there was a fictional character called Superman prior to Richard Donners take? Your probably just trolling because you didnt get your way but oh well just thought I would clue you in.

Yes, I read his adventures and he was the one that appeared in Superman The Movie. The Characterization of Supes was picture perfect. The whole first part on Krypton and Smallville was beautiful and I won't accept anything else. It's a simple as that. Every later attempt I saw couldn't match up and was a failure and I don't support failures.

Donner's origin was perfect another version will be a failure, that's all I have to say.

[teseract]

Way to be open minded.
I'm not, I will never be "open minded" when it comes to Superman!

[FaT_tONle]

What? The origin is the character, how can you possibly rationalize that as detracting from development? It's a story of his roots and how he came to be the man he is.

Public has already seen numerous versions of this. It's been done before. At some point you need to have a little faith that people know what the character Superman is all about.

That is why you make the character relevant to the modern age. My god, if we're so pessimistic about being outdated, these characters would have died out decades ago.

You can do that without an origin movie.

So because others are failing to raise the bar, we should just stop trying? Not very proactive. TDK and Hellboy proved to be worthy films that could be seen more than just a typical comic book adaptation. There's no reason to think Superman can't follow that same mold.

TDK is a sequel. BB was the first origin movie of Batman. And as far as public perception... I'd say Hellboy is a much deeper, conflicted character than Superman... at least to those who even know who Hellboy is. He requires a more thorough explanation.

We know absolutely nothing about this production besides it's a reboot and already jumping to conclusions? It's clear you've already set in your mind what this film is gonna be.

I just think it's irresponsible for WB to think they can make Superman the franchise it was supposed to be back in 2006. The budget will be scaled down no doubt and the expectations will not be nearly as high. I don't see this being a major three picture franchise but a movie that sets the stage for a bigger multi character universe.