Reintroducing Superman: An Open Discussion

[Ita-KalEl]

Yeah, Sam Raimi would be a good choice. He is a big Superman fan and I think that he would look to the comics, unlike Bryan Singer.

But wasn't he a Spiderman fan? :woot:

[KobiKai]

So they should revert back to the long distance single bounds? That's not realism either. LOL!

Personally i'd have him flying, no cape, no pants & without heat vision, plus i'd tone down his overall strength. The character needs an update so don't be surprised if the new Superman is vastly different than the comics. It's all about money and gaining new fans

[AragornKing1]

Are you Kevin Smith? Any idea about Polar Bears?




That was Jon Peters idea that Superman shouldn't fly whenever Kevin Smith was attached.

[FlawlessVictory]

Yeah, Sam Raimi would be a good choice. He is a big Superman fan and I think that he would look to the comics, unlike Bryan Singer.

Eh, I'm not too keen on stealing a director from another superhero franchise. One, it failed horribly with Singer. Two, I'd like a new director to make this superhero franchise his one and only, his baby, so to speak.

[GreenKToo]

Eh, I wouldn't want Snyder for it. Not that I don't like him, I just think Supes isn't the type of thing that best fits him. Raimi did Spidey, so I say no to him for Supes.

I hated the ideas I heard from the Abrams script (it was his when Hopkins was going to be Jor-El, right?), so I am skeptical on him, also.
Yes, and he originally had Lex being from krypton as well, but that got changed thank God.

[AragornKing1]

But wasn't he a Spiderman fan? :woot:


Yeah, he is a Spiderman fan too.

[JaD]

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[Spider-Fan]

Yes, and he originally had Lex being from krypton as well, but that got changed thank God.

I'm gonna mull this over, and think of some suggestions. I don't like any of the names people have floated thus far (either not right IMO, or wouldn't do it).

[Timstuff]

Eh, I'm not too keen on stealing a director from another superhero franchise. One, it failed horribly with Singer. Two, I'd like a new director to make this superhero franchise his one and only, his baby, so to speak.

My thoughts exactly. People need to get more creative with their director suggestions than just shouting "Let's use this director because he already made a good Superhero movie!" As you said, that already failed horribly with Bryan Singer. There's no reason to let history repeat itself.

[RogueDK]

Personally i'd have him flying, no cape, no pants & without heat vision, plus i'd tone down his overall strength. The character needs an update so don't be surprised if the new Superman is vastly different than the comics. It's all about money and gaining new fans



And losing a few fans as well with that approach. :whatever:


Leave the look of Supes alone and churn up the testosterone around him. That's what the hero's been missing...He needs to be 100% beef, hardcore badd a$$, etc...


Superman Returns = Soy burger with no mayo.

[GreenKToo]

I'm not going by if they have or have not directed Superhero films. I'm basing it on the directing style and tone that I like. Rami just happens to fit that style, as does P.J.

[RogueDK]

I'm not going by if they have or have not directed Superhero films. I'm basing it on the directing style and tone that I like. Rami just happens to fit that style, as does P.J.



Respectfully I like Raimi but I still haven't forgiven him for making "ALL THAT JAZZ" Spidey 3. Dreadful rubbish.

[KobiKai]

Chris Columbus, not only did he discover your country but he could save your national hero ;)

[Spider-Fan]

Actually, Chris Columbus isn't the worst suggestion in the world. I think he would fit for Superman.

[KobiKai]

Actually, Chris Columbus isn't the worst suggestion in the world. I think he would fit for Superman.
Well thanks for the overwelming compliment ;)

[Spider-Fan]

Well thanks for the overwelming compliment ;)

No prob :cwink:

[BULLITT]

Joblo.com;

"Yes, let's reintroduce him. So many people today know nothing of this hero. Often, you will see a picture of Superman flying through the air, or lifting a car,
and someone will yell "who the hell is this clown?" That **** happens all the time.
This guy definitely needs to be introduced to the world again."



Perfectly said.


WB (We Be Morons)

[GreenKToo]

Chris Columbus, not only did he discover your country but he could save your national hero ;)
not bad.

[SuperDaniel]

After the mess that was SR, he does INDEED.

[Timstuff]

Joblo.com;

"Yes, let's reintroduce him. So many people today know nothing of this hero. Often, you will see a picture of Superman flying through the air, or lifting a car,
and someone will yell "who the hell is this clown?" That **** happens all the time.
This guy definitely needs to be introduced to the world again."



Perfectly said.


WB (We Be Morons)

The above statement works fine if you assume that everyone who WB wants to go see MOS has seen and remembers Superman: The Movie. :o

STM is old and out dated. I see no harm in reintroducing Superman to audiences, especially since they need to erase the last 30 years of baggage that the film franchise carries with it.

[SuperDaniel]

I just want a cool origin that is FAITHFUL to the comics for once!! Mix Birthright, Superman For all seasons, Man of Steel and add TAS Brainiac like the episode Stolen Memories and we'll have an origin movie that is WAAAAAAAAAAAAY WAAAAAAAY BETTER than the overrated Donner movies.

NO TO THE KENTS DYING. Superman is hero born out of hope not tragedy.

[BenReilly]

Superman is hero born out of hope not tragedy.

You don't consider the death of not only his birth parents, but the destruction of his entire civilization and home planet a tragedy?

[SuperDaniel]

You don't consider the death of not only his birth parents, but the destruction of his entire civilization and home planet a tragedy?
Not really. Because the lesson that is important from what happened to Krypton is that his father risked his life to save him and made it. Birthright shows this perfectly. Even in the worst scenario, Superman is always a hero about hope. Of fighting the odds to do what is right.

[X Knight]

while the destruction of Krypton ( and the deaths of his birth parents ) is indeed tragic, that is not a DIRECT cause for Superman becoming a hero.

It's not like Uncle Ben dying that drives Spider-man to use his powers responsibly. Or, Bruce Wayne's parents dying that drives Bruce to become Batman.

Superman doesn't have to become a hero because a loved one died ( like Pa Kent in STM ). He should choose to be Superman, not because he's forced or driven to, but because he feels that's the best way he can "share" his awesome power and help others and inspire hope.....

IOW....he becomes Superman not because he HAS to devote his life/powers to that cause, but because CHOOSES to......

It's like.....quite a few popular heros are already "born" out of deaths of loved one or other tragic circurmstances. Why does Superman have to be the same? Why can't he be "born" out of hope....the sincere desire to help others.....

[SuperDaniel]

The way i see is that Superman is who he is because of Smallville and only because of that. It's because he is a product of that very little utopian community. Continue with me on this.

Any person who lives in a small city knows this. Because it is small, you're closer to your neighbours. You share their lives, you know them personally, they're your friends. This doesnt happen in a big city that much. Everyone is a stranger in a big city.

Superman is a product of this way of life. Of hard work, of better days will come. Jonathan Kent is a farmer and in my script, for example, he uses what he knows and the way the country life works as a metaphor for Superman. I'm going to post here the scene:

EXT. FIELD - DAWN

On the horizon, the Sun rises majestically. JONATHAN is riding the tractor with CLARK on his lap. They're plowing the soil, making it proper for planting.

JONATHAN
Do you wanna give it a try?

JONATHAN points to the wheels of the tractor.

CLARK
What? I can't...

JONATHAN
(gently)
Come on. It's not that hard. I'll help you.

CLARK
Okay.

CLARK grabs the wheels of the Tractor, trying to do as good his father. He is scared but is also a fast learner.

JONATHAN
Keep it steady.
(beat)
There you go.

CLARK smiles proudly.

THE CAMERA PANS-UP SHOWING THEM RIDING THE TRACTOR THROUGH THE FIELD WITH THE SUN ON THE HORIZON.

DISSOLVES TO:

JONATHAN and CLARK now walk among the field, spreading the seeds through the soil.

JONATHAN (CONT'D)
Easy. Easy.

CLARK
Like that?

JONATHAN
Yeah. Very good.

CLARK
What happens next?

JONATHAN
Mother nature will take care of it.
(beat)
It will rain and, in time, it is going to grow to become like one of
those cornfields you saw. You see, everything is connected.
(beat)
I remember when you were born.
(beat)
It was probably the worst winter in Smallville’s history. I almost
couldn't bring the goods to Mr. Lang at the General Store.

CLARK
Lana's dad?

JONATHAN
Yep. We take what we harvest to them and then he distributes to the
community.
(beat)
If I hadn't fulfilled my duties in that day, other people in
Smallville wouldn't have survived through the hard times.
(beat)
By doing good to others, we'll always gain something in return.

CLARK listens. JONATHAN bends down, helps his son with the seeds and then looks at him, tear-eyed. He puts his arm over his shoulder and then looks at the sky.

THE CAMERA PANS-UP TO SHOW THE BEAUTY OF THE FIELD AND, IN THE DISTANCE, THE SUN.

So, when a Tornado comes later on and destroys this way of life, their friends houses, their community, you are able to relate with Superman and understand why he uses his powers for good. Why he is such a boy scout and an inspiration.

So basically, Superman takes this naive way of looking at the world outside of Smallville, spreading the word like Gandhi. Being a man of action, saving people. However, the world outside is a little bit big and bad, making things very difficult. Being and hero is not that easy as it seems.

[BULLITT]

The above statement works fine if you assume that everyone who WB wants to go see MOS has seen and remembers Superman: The Movie. :o

STM is old and out dated. I see no harm in reintroducing Superman to audiences, especially since they need to erase the last 30 years of baggage that the film franchise carries with it.

The above also works fine, if someone were grown in a petri dish since 2006.
The facts are this, WB is planning a "darker" movie (probably not DN dark, but likely not 5 - 10 year-old child friendly), at the cost of a movie ticket, they're probably aiming for the 17+ year-olds.
If you are that age (arguments sake - not a personal allocation), and don't know anything about Superman, the odds are you are illiterate or a member of that tribe just discovered, this year, in South America.

DC received hate mail from people in Vietnam, when they killed him off in their comics in 1993. Vietnam !!

A new movie, fine, whatever. Just not "In the beginning in a far off galaxy, there was a planet called..." That would prove they are creatively bankrupt.

[BULLITT]

As far as a reboot's chances of success, I think it's extremely dubious that a Supes reboot would enjoy a Nolan-like stratospheric return, but who knows?

Likely it may be Hulk-like;


Hulk >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Incredible Hulk
Cost: $137 million >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cost: $150 million
Played: 119 days / 17 weeks >>>>>>>>>>>> Played: 70 days / 10 weeks
Domestic Gross: $132 million >>>>>>>>>>>> Domestic Gross: $134 million
Int'nl Gross: $113 million >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Int'nl Gross: $109 million

Total Gross: $245 million >>>>>>>>>>>> Total Gross: $243 million



Figures from DarkHorizons.com

[SuperDaniel]

It doesnt have to and IT SHOULDnt be A CHRONOLOGICALLY LINEAR movie like S:TM. You dont need to start 1 hour on Krypton, 1 hour in Smallville, etc. IMO, Superman shouldnt know the existence of his home planet. It should all be a mistery at first. Then, he learns about it through Braniac, like the TAS version, in the 3rd act or end of the movie. This way, Superman quest and journey to find a place in the world becomes more more appealing.

[SuperDaniel]

As far as a reboot's chances of success, I think it's extremely dubious that a Supes reboot would enjoy a Nolan-like stratospheric return, but who knows?

Likely it may be Hulk-like;


Hulk >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Incredible Hulk
Cost: $137 million >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cost: $150 million
Played: 119 days / 17 weeks >>>>>>>>>>>> Played: 70 days / 10 weeks
Domestic Gross: $132 million >>>>>>>>>>>> Domestic Gross: $134 million
Int'nl Gross: $113 million >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Int'nl Gross: $109 million

Total Gross: $245 million >>>>>>>>>>>> Total Gross: $243 million



Figures from DarkHorizons.com
There is no way you can compare a so-so character like the Hulk to Superman, the first and greatest hero of them all.

[BATZARRO WWD]

I think it's good time to bring forth Superman's supporting cast. John Henry Irons, Dr Hammilton, and, hell maybe Kara, L-A-T-E-R(like not in the first movie). I'd like Amanda Walker to be in as well(unless that conflicts with Supermax)

[BULLITT]

There is no way you can compare a so-so character like the Hulk to Superman, the first and greatest hero of them all.

Shhhh...you'll anger the 'Hercules' crowd.:woot:

[Crook]

The above also works fine, if someone were grown in a petri dish since 2006.
The facts are this, WB is planning a "darker" movie (probably not DN dark, but likely not 5 - 10 year-old child friendly), at the cost of a movie ticket, they're probably aiming for the 17+ year-olds.
If you are that age (arguments sake - not a personal allocation), and don't know anything about Superman, the odds are you are illiterate or a member of that tribe just discovered, this year, in South America.
There's a difference between being familiar with the character and actually knowing him. Practically everyone has a gist of Superman and his past, but do they actually know anything past the superficial facts? Considering the past few generations have not had a huge Superman influence, I'd wager that answer is no.

That's where the new film comes in and retells the mythos from the bottom-up.

A new movie, fine, whatever. Just not "In the beginning in a far off galaxy, there was a planet called..." That would prove they are creatively bankrupt.
Only if they re-do past origins with just a new vfx polish. To think you cannot put a fresh spin on Superman's beginnings is just plain naive.

[BULLITT]

I have no faith in the executive of WB. They have proven too inept in the past.
'Begins' and 'DK' may just be anomalies.
If Jon Peters is in any way connected to this, expect some major scrambled eggs.

[SuperDaniel]

Just the fact that Singer is out and that AWFUL kid idea was put to rest makes me more ENTHUSIASTIC than ever for a Superman movie.

[Crook]

I have no faith in the executive of WB. They have proven too inept in the past.
'Begins' and 'DK' may just be anomalies.
WB aren't making the movies. They're financing them and giving the green-light. They've had BB, TDK, 300, and soon, Watchmen. That's a damn good list of adaptations.

The important part of this production isn't in WB, but in who they hire and how much breathing room they'll give them. If the crew has the vision and talent to bring a new-age Superman to cinema, then the rest will handle itself.

[The Batman]

I swear, if all the reboot is is simply catering to fanboy demands of post crisis superman, then this is just as much as a waste as SR was....

Its hypocritical to bash SR for hiding behind donner and saying "Screw everything else"...and they say you want a superman movie that follows only post crisis comics, your only justification being that post crisis is modern and pretty much the one YOU grew up with.

Nolan's Batman works because it dosent merely take from miller's Batman...it takes from 70's Batman. It takes from the original Bob Kane stories. It takes from loeb. It takes from Miller. It's amazing how some claim to be die hard superman fans, but treat pre crisis like its the plague...its honestly sad. Mad Scientist Luthor works just as well as Businessman Luthor, geeky clark works just as well as "Confident" Clark, and his parents being dead work just as well as his parents being alive. Hopefully, whoever directs this project realizes what singer and many fanboys cant seem to grasp: Superman is a 70 year old character, and every version has something that can be used and modernized for today

[The Caped Knight]

Plain and simple for this thing to work . They've got to let go completely of Donner's version of Superman . Just like Christopher Nolan did of Tim Burton's Batman & Joel Schumacher farcical batman films . Superman need to battle a worthy adversary that give a fight for his life were look at (Brianiac, Bizarro , Metallo , The Parasite , Darkside , Mongul , Zod & Finally DOOMSDAY .) Lex just won't do especially the campy version of Lex Luthor . However if Lex were updated to modern day version with the battle suit prehaps .... he be a worth opponite . The point is Supes needs to fight .

also they need to let go of the Bumbling Idiot Mild Mannered Reporter version of Clark Kent . Instead have Clark be the STAS & Dean Cain version of Clark Kent in which Clark is a gutsy, hard-boiled News reporter who openly competes with Lois Lane for the Daily Planet's assignments by Perry White.

[BULLITT]

WB aren't making the movies. They're financing them and giving the green-light. They've had BB, TDK, 300, and soon, Watchmen. That's a damn good list of adaptations.

The important part of this production isn't in WB, but in who they hire and how much breathing room they'll give them. If the crew has the vision and talent to bring a new-age Superman to cinema, then the rest will handle itself.

Good points, all. But prayer will be called for.:cwink:

[BULLITT]

.. Instead have Clark be the STAS & Dean Cain version of Clark Kent in which Clark is a gutsy, hard-boiled News reporter who openly competes with Lois Lane for the Daily Planet's assignments by Perry White.

Agreed. However, I can see how they could go 'darker' by illuminating a semi-psychotic dichotomy, by trying to project two different personalities, and even juxtaposing them at inopportune times/situations.

[Mentok]

W.B, do whatever you want. Just don't do one thing for me.












One tiny little thing.













Don't do it.








Don't listen to the rabid fanboys and girls.









Pay no attention to them.












Don't do it.











Don't make HIM Superman.












Please..... Just keep him away from it.











http://i38.tinypic.com/qy90lx.jpg









Please.







:(

[Midnite]

W.B, do whatever you want. Just don't do one thing for me.
One tiny little thing.
Don't do it.
Don't listen to the rabid fanboys and girls.
Pay no attention to them.
Don't do it.
Don't make HIM Superman.
Please..... Just keep him away from it.
http://i38.tinypic.com/qy90lx.jpg
Please.







:(


If they do have Lex in the reboot. What are your thoughts if WB asked Michael Rosenaum for Lex?

[Spider-Fan]

I doubt they will make it Smallville the movie.

[Mentok]

If they do have Lex in the reboot. What are your thoughts if WB asked Michael Rosenaum for Lex?



I love Rosenbaum. I don't think he should play Lex anymore though.

[Midnite]

I love Rosenbaum. I don't think he should play Lex anymore though.

Yeah.. Michael Rosenaum is an amazing actor, too bad he will probably turn it down if they did offered the role. He doesn't want to be typecasted. Michael and John Glover are the only good things about Smallville. Ohh.. and Erica Durance in skimpy outfits. :hehe:

[SuperDaniel]

I swear, if all the reboot is is simply catering to fanboy demands of post crisis superman, then this is just as much as a waste as SR was....

Its hypocritical to bash SR for hiding behind donner and saying "Screw everything else"...and they say you want a superman movie that follows only post crisis comics, your only justification being that post crisis is modern and pretty much the one YOU grew up with.

Nolan's Batman works because it dosent merely take from miller's Batman...it takes from 70's Batman. It takes from the original Bob Kane stories. It takes from loeb. It takes from Miller. It's amazing how some claim to be die hard superman fans, but treat pre crisis like its the plague...its honestly sad. Mad Scientist Luthor works just as well as Businessman Luthor, geeky clark works just as well as "Confident" Clark, and his parents being dead work just as well as his parents being alive. Hopefully, whoever directs this project realizes what singer and many fanboys cant seem to grasp: Superman is a 70 year old character, and every version has something that can be used and modernized for today

Mad scientist Luthor doesnt work as well as the Lexcorp version and its too dated too, IMO. He should be like he was in Birthright and Superman for all seasons. Yes, Superman is 70 year character but there are things that remained the same and should not be changed at all.

[Katsuro]

I swear, if all the reboot is is simply catering to fanboy demands of post crisis superman, then this is just as much as a waste as SR was....

Its hypocritical to bash SR for hiding behind donner and saying "Screw everything else"...and they say you want a superman movie that follows only post crisis comics, your only justification being that post crisis is modern and pretty much the one YOU grew up with.

Nolan's Batman works because it dosent merely take from miller's Batman...it takes from 70's Batman. It takes from the original Bob Kane stories. It takes from loeb. It takes from Miller. It's amazing how some claim to be die hard superman fans, but treat pre crisis like its the plague...its honestly sad. Mad Scientist Luthor works just as well as Businessman Luthor, geeky clark works just as well as "Confident" Clark, and his parents being dead work just as well as his parents being alive. Hopefully, whoever directs this project realizes what singer and many fanboys cant seem to grasp: Superman is a 70 year old character, and every version has something that can be used and modernized for today

I have to agree on the fact that movie Superman should be a blend of Superman from all eras. It's the reason I dont want any comic book writer doing the movie. I know Mark Millar, Geoff Jones, Grant Morrison, and Mark Waid all have pitched their ideas for a Superman reboot, but I really hope none of them end up getting it.

If a comic book writer, specifically one who's had their own take on Superman in the comics, were to make the movie, then it would probably just be an adaptation of their own work, which I dont want. I loved Birthright, but it wasn't perfect. I'd love elements of it, but I dont want Birthright: The Movie. Neither do I want All-Star Superman: The Movie, or John Byrne's The Man of Steel: The Movie. I want all of it combined into something original, that still stays true to the character. I want the Batman Begins of Superman movies.

It would be like having Frank Miller direct a Batman movie. Instead of Nolan's movies, which were a great blend of Miller's, Loeb's, and O'Neil's Batman, with a Joker that was both reminiscient of the modern version, as well as his very first appearance, we'd just get Frank Miller's Batman.

So let's get either a real Hollywood writer who's an unbiased fan of the character, or a comic writer that hasn't already written their own distinct take on Superman's origin.

[SatEL]

Actually Orion already fulfilled the prophecy of killing his father in Countdown to Final Crisis #2.

How much do you want to bet thats an avatar?

[SatEL]

I swear, if all the reboot is is simply catering to fanboy demands of post crisis superman, then this is just as much as a waste as SR was....

Its hypocritical to bash SR for hiding behind donner and saying "Screw everything else"...and they say you want a superman movie that follows only post crisis comics, your only justification being that post crisis is modern and pretty much the one YOU grew up with.

Nolan's Batman works because it dosent merely take from miller's Batman...it takes from 70's Batman. It takes from the original Bob Kane stories. It takes from loeb. It takes from Miller. It's amazing how some claim to be die hard superman fans, but treat pre crisis like its the plague...its honestly sad. Mad Scientist Luthor works just as well as Businessman Luthor, geeky clark works just as well as "Confident" Clark, and his parents being dead work just as well as his parents being alive. Hopefully, whoever directs this project realizes what singer and many fanboys cant seem to grasp: Superman is a 70 year old character, and every version has something that can be used and modernized for today

:applaud:applaudWell said, although no planet moving sneezes.

[SuperDaniel]

HOW WOULD I REINTRODUCE SUPERMAN?

I believe it should be a mix of different stories and incarnations with little nods to everything.
It should be an origin in an non-liner way, different than what was done in S:TM.

We should first meet Clark when he's traveling around the world to solve problems and something attracts him to Metropolis. Something plausible.

In my script, We first find him secretly helping people survive through a war in Caznia (A little nod to TAS and Peace on Earth). He would be bringing food to the helpless, protecting innocent people without actually interfering in thematic things. However, one side of the war starts to win fast because of advanced weapons. Lois is there covering it all with Jimmy taking photos of the destruction too. She suspects there is going to be some kind of a weapon deal between a terrorist faction from Caznia and some unknown people in the Harbour so she goes there to check. Clark is listening to it all and go there too and stops the transaction, taking care of the terrorists. Eventually, he manages to trace it all back to Metropolis and that's the reason he goes there in the first place.

Eventually the war is over but the side-effects are numerous. Countless injured, homeless,etc. Clark wonders if he is doing the right thing to act in secret. He thinks he needs to be something more, an exemple, a symbol. So he goes to Smallville to create the Superman idenitity with his parents. As he comes back to Smallville, he remembers his creation and learnings from his childhood, all done in flashbacks. Little nods to the Tornado sequence, Lana, Pete Ross and Superman for all seasons.

This is a way i found out to kinda put together Birthright, TAs, Superman for all seasons, Man of steel and various other stories from the comics and make it completely new and different than Donner's origin.

[dark_b]

this movie could happen in 2010.
i have been looking now. Bale was confirmed to be Connor in terminator salvation in december or in januar.
so now we are almost september.
september,october,november an december. this is 4 months for a script and to cast superman. isnt this enough time? you dont writte a script for a year or what?

[Angamb]

I still feel bad for Superman returns, Singer, and everyone else.

Why so many "new version"??

why??

:(

[dark_b]

I still feel bad for Superman returns, Singer, and everyone else.

Why so many "new version"??

why??

:(well its the fault of WB.
they would have tryed with a sequel since SR was a 200 milion movie.
but ok.i feel bad for Brandon. Singers editing and deleted 10 milions scene will not help him.

[Angamb]

he deleted a 10 millions scene??

[Katsuro]

he deleted a 10 millions scene??

The opening scene of SR was supposed to be a 10 million dollar sequence in which Superman returns to Krypton in that ship. He ended up cutting it entirely, and no one has seen it.

[Alonsovich]

he deleted a 10 millions scene??

More like the whole first 30 minutes... that Return to Krypton bit that cost ten million bucks and he edited out because he "wanted to include it in an IMAX re-release"... re-release that will never happen...

[darthlaney]

How does DC Comics feel about this I wonder? - they have gone out of their way in the last 2 years to align with the Donner Superman and have now started to weave Smallville lore into Superman's background.

I wonder if the 'reboot' will simply bring all of this together also

[EddieNashton]

Superman is not about darkness or brooding. He is about hope and the GOOD that remains on this planet. That sort of stuff only works for Batman and maybe Green Arrow, but not Supes'.

I'm not the biggest SR fan...or even Superman fan in general, but you could tell watching the making-of footage, Singer had his best intentions and his heart in the project. Though his love for the Donnerverse is what got him in this trouble in the first place.

[EddieNashton]

Welling has said many times he DOES NOT want that mantle.

[SatEL]

Welling has said many times he DOES NOT want that mantle.

Excatly it should really end at that, as Welling himself has stressed he does not want to wear the suit or be Superman. I mean is the fanbase that desperate that they are going to force him to play Superman, I say we find someone new that has a passion for the character and wants to do him justice. Oh and isnt it about time the fanbase got united on various issues if we are united we are more likely to have a stronger impact than everyone wanting something else.

[GreenKToo]

I'm sure there are several actors out there that could play Supes that I havent thought of yet, but as of right now, these four stick out to me.

Henry Cavill. 25
Josh Duhamel 36
Michael Trucco 37
Jim Caviezel 39

I know three of them seem too old but we have no idea at this point if its going to be one film, two, or a trilogy. Or if they want a younger actor for an origin, or an older actor to show an established Superman.
So untill we know for sure, I wouldn't rule anything out.

[nocomics]

I too thought I read somewhere that Tom did'nt wanna wear the suit at all. Though; I think for final episode of Smallville(whenever that maybe),the last sequence should be him wearing the suit.

I'm not sure what their direction is gonna be,I guess we will find out soon enough. I just hope they at least consider Routh for the role.

[Showtime]

this movie could happen in 2010.
i have been looking now. Bale was confirmed to be Connor in terminator salvation in december or in januar.
so now we are almost september.
september,october,november an december. this is 4 months for a script and to cast superman. isnt this enough time? you dont writte a script for a year or what?

Well a script doesn't necessarily take that long to write. It depends won what type of script it is and who is writing of course. Kevin Williamson wrote the first draft of "Scream" in two weeks, but this is Superman. It would be hard to get this done for 2010 if they don't already have a story, writers, or a script. Nevermind a cast. It isn't impossible, but hard.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Yeah, there's always an opportunity to have a different take at an origin story, and in different ways like you said. I'd certainly like to see that too with Superman, I only hope it sticks close to the source material, which isn't just the Donner movie you know. Clearly my main issue with this is the recasting portion of this whole thing, I feel like Routh was chosen for a reason, and not to be let go of because WB didn't make enough money off of Returns. SR was a good movie to me, it had flaws definitely, but I was highly looking forward to the next piece of work from Singer & co.

SR, though flawed, was a very good Superman movie IMO, and Routh was the best Superman you are going to get from today's generation also IMO. I was dying to see were Singer would take this next, I think he could have made a truly stunning sequel, but alas, WB think darkness and re-boot is the way to go after BB and TDK, not realising that it wont work for every character.

I just hope this new movie turns out to be at least half decent, as for director choices, Johnathan Mostow, Alex Proyas and possibly Peter Berg might be good choices.

[hatebox]

They'd never release a Batman movie and a Superman movie in the same year, given they both would be out in the summer, so one of them will have to give.... or superman will have to be very fast-tracked to be out by 2010. It's not impossible.

[GreenKToo]

Oh boy, looks like the tom welling stuff is heating up again.:(

[FaT_tONle]

Well if it's Tom Welling no point getting bogged down in an origin film. I am not advocating anything. I know nothing about Smallville. But it would have advantages. Luthor could easily be recasted, but maybe keep the chick that plays Lois.

[hatebox]

I'm astounded anyone could possibly think Welling would be appropriate for a major blockbuster film..

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I'm astounded anyone could possibly think Welling would be appropriate for a major blockbuster film..

Me too, its preposterous, I like Smallville for what it is, but I DO NOT want to see Welling as Superman in a movie.

[GreenKToo]

I'll prolly get crucified for this but I think johnny depp would make a really good Lex.
He really gets into his roles. He'd be Lex personified and would bring some real star power to the table for which this film will need..

[FaT_tONle]

Why in the world would you re-cast LEX? Michael Rosenbaum has played the role better then any man alive!

If anything the advantages of using this cast out weight any baggage the show brings! And Mike is an amazing actor! Who like I said has played this part better then ANYONE! Hackman, and Spacey included!

Watch the show's dvds dude! You might learn something.

No thanks... but if WB wanted a Smallville movie... well that's something for the straight to DVD type film. I don't think Welling can carry his own film, and even if they gave him a shot... they need bigger actors in there for Lex and even Lois.

[dark_b]

MODS can you guys fix this? i dont want to see explanations how actors from smallville could work in a reboot.

[dark_b]

I'll prolly get crucified for this but I think johnny depp would make a really good Lex.
He really gets into his roles. He'd be Lex personified and would bring some real star power to the table for which this film will need..this is not a joke. but to me depp looks like a guy who likes hes hair very much.
so i dont see him getting bald.

[GreenKToo]

No thanks... but if WB wanted a Smallville movie... well that's something for the straight to DVD type film. I don't think Welling can carry his own film, and even if they gave him a shot... they need bigger actors in there for Lex and even Lois.
I agree. It might have worked back in 06' when everyone was anticipating a new Superman film, but not now imho. S.R. changed all that. They'll need some real star power in the reboot all the way through, top to bottom, to get folks interested. I like welling, but I think his chance has passed.

[GreenKToo]

this is not a joke. but to me depp looks like a guy who likes hes hair very much.
so i dont see him getting bald.
Ha Ha. Maybe not, but if not him, at least someone of his caliber.

[Agent 194]

I swear, if all the reboot is is simply catering to fanboy demands of post crisis superman, then this is just as much as a waste as SR was....



And this has nothing to do with this thread but The Batman - I just wanted to comment on your avatar. Anyone who pays respect to Adam West's Batman is okay with me.

[JackBauer]

This is the best idea for Superman if the WB wants this franchise to fly because right now Tom Welling is who the majority of the fanbase WANTS in the movie!

The majority of the Smallville fanbase, you mean.

[Prison Mike]

I love Smallville and watch it all the time but even I think Welling shouldn't be Superman. If he becomes Superman, then that would have to tie in with Smallville, which already has so many plot holes. they have their own lois, jimmy, perry, lex (pretty much all the superman characters). But if they don't use Smallville as a launching point for the movie and it's just a new movie with Tom Welling as Superman, then that would be confusing to everyone. I think we should start from scratch. New cast, director, everyone.

[Mike22]

PROVE IT!


He did audition for the McG directed Superman project, and wore a make shift suit! He said (And in an Interview I saw my self on ET) that it would be an HONOR if he was cast in the movie but that the choice is not his to make, and it's not in his hands...

But sure you Welling haters use the fact that he turned down the role on the show twice because he didn't want to do another SUPERBOY tv show, and didn't know anything about the idea they had for the show, and once he did read the script, and saw the material he said YES to doing the show.

That's where that FAKE rumor of him not "wanting that mantle" come from.
Fact is if he's cast, and paid he will do it! he's an actor you idiot, and a SUPERMAN movie would be the biggest thing to happen to him!

It's not like his movie career is on fire right now!

Dude, don't worry about this. The more I think about it, the more likely it seems that they`re gonna try everything in their power to get him for the reboot. After all they did try to get him for the JL.
And if a few people formerly knows as apologists don't think that`s the case, than that`s fine, but remember a while back people were ridiculed of these boards if they mentioned that anything but a sequel was gonna happen? Look what happened. Arguing here is to early at this point because the project is just starting, but in a little while we`ll find out for sure.
But I`m regaining faith that we`ll probably get to see Welling don the suit as he was meant to.http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

[GreenKToo]

I think it's waaay to early to get your hopes up for any one actor. A director will have to be hired first. Once that's done, maybe he'll give us an idea of the direction its headed. Origin? No origin? Younger supes? or Older? Right now, we're just shooting blanks in the dark.
Still, it's fun suggesting *your* guy(s).

[Mikelus]

He did audition for the McG directed Superman project, and wore a make shift suit! He said (And in an Interview I saw my self on ET) that it would be an HONOR if he was cast in the movie but that the choice is not his to make, and it's not in his hands...

But sure you Welling haters use the fact that he turned down the role on the show twice because he didn't want to do another SUPERBOY tv show, and didn't know anything about the idea they had for the show, and once he did read the script, and saw the material he said YES to doing the show.

That's where that FAKE rumor of him not "wanting that mantle" come from.
Fact is if he's cast, and paid he will do it! he's an actor you idiot, and a SUPERMAN movie would be the biggest thing to happen to him!

It's not like his movie career is on fire right now!

Well, at the last Superman Celebration in Metropolis, Illinois, someone asked Allison Mack about Welling wearing the suit in the show and she said no, that the "no flights/no tights" rule is because of Tom Welling, he doesn't want to. But who knows, he could change his mind, time will tell.

[Showtime]

A director? Not even a story. WB does know what they don't want though, a direct sequel to Superman Returns. I think that is pretty clear now.

[dark_b]

i think WB will aproach the same directors when they talked to them in those 2 years.
we all know who those wear.
snyder is out since he already said it.

[Mike22]

I think it's waaay to early to get your hopes up for any one actor. A director will have to be hired first. Once that's done, maybe he'll give us an idea of the direction its headed. Origin? No origin? Younger supes? or Older? Right now, we're just shooting blanks in the dark.
Still, it's fun suggesting *your* guy(s).
The WB have already gotten a bitter taste of what it`s like to let a Director do as he wishes with the casting and other aspects of the production.
I think this time around they`re gonna make it clear as hell that the director will do as the studio wants and not the other way around like with Singer. The WB have expressed interest in casting Welling before, like with JL. It could very well be that someone better shows up, but I believe that that the chances of them having Welling in mind for this are quite big.
Well, at the last Superman Celebration in Metropolis, Illinois, someone asked Allison Mack about Welling wearing the suit in the show and she said no, that the "no flights/no tights" rule is because of Tom Welling, he doesn't want to. But who knows, he could change his mind, time will tell.
Welling has expressed his concern within the typecasting aspect of the show. Basically he`ll be fine as long as he`s Clark Kent, but if he puts the suit on, that`s what people will remember when he auditions for something.
He doesn`t get paid enough on smallville to risk typecasting himself. He has to think about his future.
BUT the movies is something else.He`ll put the suit on and get paid a Sh !t load of money and most likely other offers in initial offer from the WB, like was rumored with JL.
The financial aspect is secured so he`ll freely be able to play superman for a good 10 years ahead. And by 2010/11 he'll 32/33, just right for superman.
How ever much some people would like to deny this, it`s still a pretty great possibility.

[GreenKToo]

I wouldn't be against him but I don't see it happening. We shall see.

[Showtime]

The WB have expressed interest in casting Welling before, like with JL. It could very well be that someone better shows up, but I believe that that the chances of them having Welling in mind for this are quite big.

I only saw that reported on one site, IESB. No other site ran with it...none of the trades, nobody.

[Mike22]

I only saw that reported on one site, IESB. No other site ran with it...none of the trades, nobody.
However much people like to make Robert Sanchez seem like a clueless fool that knows nothing, I still don`t believe that to be the case. He risked his reputation and credibility by doing what he did and to this day he still sticks to that and has never backtracked.
Two weeks before him, Jayne ( Steve's wife) said that Welling had secretly been approached, and even though I had my doubts then, I fully believe her now. As what she said has come to happen. If I remember correctly SR just died a few days back, just as she said it would, even when people doubted her every word.
I believed her then, and I believe her and Steve now, because what they said turned out to be true. The reason you never heard about it is because it was never official, much like the movie itself. INSIDERS told Jayne and Sanchez about the whole Welling thing.
So.....I`ll stick to believing that Welling was offered the part then, and that he`ll most likely get offered it again. But whether or not he accepts is a different deal all together.

[Showtime]

However much people like to make Robert Sanchez seem like a clueless fool that knows nothing, I still don`t believe that to be the case. He risked his reputation and credibility by doing what he did and to this day he still sticks to that and has never backtracked.
Two weeks before him, Jayne ( Steve's wife) said that Welling had secretly been approached, and even though I had my doubts then, I fully believe her now. As what she said has come to happen. If I remember correctly SR just died a few days back, just as she said it would, even when people doubted her every word.I believed her then, and I believe her and Steve now, because what they said turned out to be true. The reason you never heard about it is because it was never official, much like the movie itself. INSIDERS told Jayne and Sanchez about the whole Welling thing.So.....I`ll stick to believing that Welling was offered the part then, and that he`ll most likely get offered it again. But whether or not he accepts is a different deal all together.

I never commented on Rob being clueless at all, I am just saying, it was reported nowhere else.

[Mike22]

Actually, for ME, Welling is the only one I`d want over for the movie. Even though I would love it if Rosenbaum would join him.

[Showtime]

I really don't know how realistic him playing Superman really is. There are certainly executives at WB that are for it.

[Ita-KalEl]

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif YUP!

It's hilarious in a sense... But have to say I agree with you, and to the WB here is a heads up on the cast I would like to see!

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a17/ThaJackaL/DC-Universe/Superman/SUPERMAN-2012.jpg

Sprinkle in a few other big name cameo's in there, and let's get this puppy ready to start shooting by 2010! :woot:

LOL a movie with crappy actors without any appeal for the general public.
I can understand Welling, but it is the exact opposite of the Nolan's approach (great names in secondary roles).

[Mike22]

I never commented on Rob being clueless at all, I am just saying, it was reported nowhere else.
I know you didn`t. It just seemed implied in a way, because he was the only one to report this, therefor making him seem like he was lying.

[Showtime]

I know you didn`t. It just seemed implied in a way, because he was the only one to report this, therefor making him seem like he was lying.

No No. Not at all. I feel the opposite in regards to Rob, I know who his contacts are.

[Mike22]

LOL a movie with crappy actors without any appeal for the general public.
I can understand Welling, but it is the exact opposite of the Nolan's approach (great names in secondary roles).
Well, you did like SR, so you shouldn`t be talking about crappy actors in any sense of the word. Routh, to a certain degree, not to mention Bosworth??
Puh-lease.

[Mike22]

No No. Not at all. I feel the opposite in regards to Rob, I know who his contacts are.
Good, than you should believe him.

[Nathan]

Ah they should just get Routh back. Just get him a decent haircut and change his characterisation so he isn't a mumbling Clark.

That guy deserves to star in a Superman Movie with a clean slate. I can accept a reboot with the same actor playing Superman.

[Mike22]

I really don't know how realistic him playing Superman really is. There are certainly executives at WB that are for it.
Yes indeed, and don`t you think that this could also continue to be their objective when planning their future franchise? What exactly is it that would change from a year a go. Welling is still realistically the one that has the best shot at the role. Should he want it. And after 8 years of playing the same character, I`m not sure how sure how much he would want to continue, unless he gets one hell of a deal.

[I Am The Knight]

I wouldn't be against him but I don't see it happening. We shall see.

I would be against him, and I don't see it happening.

[Ita-KalEl]

Well, you did like SR, so you shouldn`t be talking about crappy actors in any sense of the word. Routh, to a certain degree, not to mention Bosworth??
Puh-lease.

You could be right, but at this point SR is the past. We know that at WB they want to use the Nolan's approach for the other sh properties.
IMO it doesn't mean that all the movies will be dark, but only that they'll be believable. It's the evolution of the "verisimilitude".

Nevertheless you can be sure that TDK's approach is the exact opposite of Smallville the movie.

[Mike22]

You could be right, but at this point SR is the past. SR became "the past" the second it premiered. The only reason there were so many fights going on was because of "certain" peoples lack of ability to judge a good from a bad movie, and refusing to face reality.
We know that at WB they want to use the Nolan's approach for the other sh properties.
IMO it doesn't mean that all the movies will be dark, but only that they'll be believable. It's the evolution of the "verisimilitude".
I never argued this. All I did was say that Wellings chances were great of ending up as superman.
Nevertheless you can be sure that TDK's approach is the exact opposite of Smallville the movie.
Well, Ita-KalEl, it`s when you say things like " Smallville: the movie" that it gets hard to take you seriously, because you and I both know that there will never be such a thing. It`s your desperate attempt to bitterly state that with Welling, it becomes Smallville: the movie.
It`s not interesting to read, and it`s highly inaccurate.

[Mike22]

Look Evildooer, I understand that you like the cast of smallville as I like them myself, but this is a big screen movie we`re talking about. IF anybody else but Welling is brought over, then the apologists would be proven right and it would become smallville the movie.
The rest of the smallville cast will probably never even be considered. Not for a bad reason , but because of it`s ties to smallville.
It's Welling and Welling alone, if even that. Which is still so and so.

[Ita-KalEl]

This is the main reason why I don't like Smallville fans . They are ready again to bash this movie if Welling will not be cast. Do you want to open a "SupermanRebootSucks" site?

[GreenKToo]

It will be hard enough to get folks to accept welling, let alone the entire cast from Sv.

[Showtime]

Good, than you should believe him.

It isn't a question of believing somebody in these situations.

Yes indeed, and don`t you think that this could also continue to be their objective when planning their future franchise? What exactly is it that would change from a year a go. Welling is still realistically the one that has the best shot at the role. Should he want it. And after 8 years of playing the same character, I`m not sure how sure how much he would want to continue, unless he gets one hell of a deal.

I'm not going to come down on your hope for Welling, I just really don't think it is going to happen. Stranger things have though.

[I Am The Knight]

I love how Welling supporters who say "SR sucks" use images from the movie to prove their points.

You know, all those "Routh's body, Welling's face" manips :hehe:

[Mike22]

This is the main reason why I don't like Smallville fans . They are ready again to bash this movie if Welling will not be cast. Do you want to open a "SupermanRebootSucks" site?
Wha....?? Hey, what the hell are you talking about??????
I`m all for this movie, Welling or not. Welling is just a preference in a superman actor. Cavill is my second choice. And if not him that someone else. Either way, I`ll support this reboot.
You can`t just go and make stuff up just to suit your case.

[Ita-KalEl]

Wha....?? Hey, what the hell are you talking about??????
I`m all for this movie, Welling or not. Welling is just a preference in a superman actor. Cavill is my second choice. And if not him that someone else. Either way, I`ll support this reboot.
You can`t just go and make stuff up just to suit your case.

We are all on the same boat. I'll support Welling if they cast it. I'll support this movie in any case. Do you know why? Beacuse if this reboot fails, we are going to see another Superman movie maybe after the 2030.

[Showtime]

I feel like I have gone back in time.

I am looking forward the feeling you get when you start seeing casting rumors, directing rumors, concept art, storyline rumors...that is the funnest part of it all. The anticipation.

[Mike22]

I'm not going to come down on your hope for Welling, I just really don't think it is going to happen. Stranger things have though.
It may very well not happen. Hehe, I`m not gonna sit here and deny the possibility of it like some of the SR supporters did with the reboot.
But I do hope that who ever they get will be a great choice that does the part justice.

[Mike22]

We are all on the same boat. I'll support Welling if they cast it. I'll support this movie in any case. Do you know why? Beacuse if this reboot fails, we are going to see another Superman movie maybe after the 2030.
That`s nice to hear an all, but I was just wondering where you got the "smallville fans will start to bash the movie if Welling isn`t cast " part?
Because I didn`t say it, and I have never been of that opinion.
Sure I have a first choice, but that doesn't mean I`m not open to other suggestions.

[Showtime]

It may very well not happen. Hehe, I`m not gonna sit here and deny the possibility of it like some of the SR supportersdid with the reboot.But I do hope that who ever they get will be a great choice that does the part justice.

hahaha yea it's like 2003-2004 all over again! :woot:

I hope this time around, we can all be united as fans. I think that is the goal. At least that is my opinion.

[Mike22]

I hope this time around, we can all be united as fans. I think that is the goal. At least that is my opinion.
And it`s an opinion that I share.http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

[X Knight]

if you cast Welling or any other cast from Smallville, then ppl will automatically associate the new movie with Smallville.

Does WB want to make a Smallville movie? If yes, then definitely they should cast Welling and co.

But, if WB wants to start with a clean slate, then they need new actors to fill the cast.

BTW....does anyone know how many more seasons of Smallville are left? By the time the new movie comes out in 2010 or 2011, Smallville could very well be over?

Personally, I don't want a Smallville movie, nor do I think WB wants a Smallville movie. If you make a Smallville movie, you are, in a sense, narrowing your auidence. You're targeting the movie primarily towards fans of Smallville. However, not everyone watches Smallville, or likes Smallville. So, you risk alienating a portion of your audience.

[echostation]

Evildooer dude we get the point, you're pro-Tom Welling... understood...

[teseract]

I hope this time around, we can all be united as fans. I think that is the goal. At least that is my opinion.

Hell will freeze over before that happens on my part!

[Hypestyle]

...i doubt welling is interested at this point, going on almost 10 years since the show came on.. even if he ends up typecast, he probably wants to at least "attempt" to get some diverse acting roles beyond beitn Clark Kent..

[GreenKToo]

I feel like I have gone back in time.

I am looking forward the feeling you get when you start seeing casting rumors, directing rumors, concept art, storyline rumors...that is the funnest part of it all. The anticipation.
Yep. Good times ahead.:up:

[Excel]

This is SUPERMAN!

http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs22/i/2007/343/e/6/Smallville_the_Movie_by_boocherhix.jpg


:hehe:

[Showtime]

Hell will freeze over before that happens on my part!

Sucks for you then I guess. I don't know.

Yep. Good times ahead.:up:

I hope.

[Excel]

Seriously; Im glad we got a fresh start but lets hope its not worse too.

[I Am The Knight]

Hell will freeze over before that happens on my part!

:yay:

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/8382/goawaynoobbj1.jpg

[GreenKToo]

maybe, maybe not. we shall see.

[Anita18]

More like the whole first 30 minutes... that Return to Krypton bit that cost ten million bucks and he edited out because he "wanted to include it in an IMAX re-release"... re-release that will never happen...
I just finally started to take a look at Bryan's production video diaries for SR, and it's really cool seeing how it all came together re: production design, but one recurring phrase in my head is, "So...much....money!" :o

Did they really have to plant 200 hectares of their own corn (it takes months!) so a young Clark could run and jump in it, for a scene that did not drive the story forward at all? Did they really have to build so many of their own to-scale sets instead of renting spaces? Actually, not sure how much that would cost since it definitely depends on location, but it certainly would have cut down on overall manpower and time. Every second you spend using any kind of labor, that's money out of the movie's budget. It also doesn't help that Singer reportedly had trouble for weeks filming the New Krypton sequence with the water tanks, that must have held up production for a while. Also, little things that jump out at me while watching the video diaries, like Bryan switching the location of Clark's bedroom in the full-scale Kent house. It seems like such a small change, but it'd still take a day to move everything and redress. He just didn't seem to know what he wanted or how to get it.

And now Valkyrie is reportedly going massively over budget as well. Was supposed to be a $35 million picture, but then they casted Cruise and now Variety reports it's "over $90 million and climbing." (I read on a forum that it's apparently up to $120 million now.) Valkyrie could very well be a great picture, but for every million they spend on the movie, that's about $2 million that needs to be made back. Considering it's now a winter release, making back that kind of money looks less and less likely.

Singer may also be a great director for a future Superman film, but if WB is indeed very concerned about the budget, they have no choice but to give him the boot. I wonder what kinds of feature film directing jobs he'll get in the future, now that he's earned a reputation for being a runaway director.

I'm not saying that other directors haven't spent a lot of money on seemingly frivolous things, but for SR they seemed to be almost gleeful about it. (Until it didn't turn out to be as successful as they had hoped, that is. :oldrazz: ) The actors would often talk about how much money was being spent on production, Bryan Singer made a show of flying from Australia to San Diego just for Comic Con. It was like, "Woohoo, look at how we're spending our bottomless money pit!"

I dunno, maybe it's just me and my stingyness, but I cringe whenever someone gloats over how they spent soooo much money on something.

Well a script doesn't necessarily take that long to write. It depends won what type of script it is and who is writing of course. Kevin Williamson wrote the first draft of "Scream" in two weeks, but this is Superman. It would be hard to get this done for 2010 if they don't already have a story, writers, or a script. Nevermind a cast. It isn't impossible, but hard.
An interview with Jonah Nolan revealed that he spent about 3-4 months on the first draft of TDK, and he said it was one of the fastest scripts he had written because Chris and David Goyer already had a complete outline laid out for him.

You're right, though - it does depend on the writer. Jonah spent 3 years on the short story that inspired Memento, so I'm guessing he's a fairly slow, methodical writer. (Although, I have a friend who actually got paid to write a screenplay recently and it took a good part of a year for her as well. Well, most of it was wrangling with the director to make the story not suck, but....that's another thing entirely!)

I'd certainly hope they spent at least a month on a script for the kind of Superman movie they want. :o

The WB have already gotten a bitter taste of what it`s like to let a Director do as he wishes with the casting and other aspects of the production.
More recently, WB got a taste of what it's like to let a director do what he wishes with positively everything, and it's looking like it's going to earn them a $500 million+ picture. :cwink:

What's tricky is that they have to go on a case-by-case basis. Letting Nolan do whatever he wants is a completely different thing than letting Singer do whatever he wants. They have to meet with different directors, hear them out and then get together and ask, "Do we trust this person to make a great movie, and do it within our budget and our time constraints?"

[Showtime]

The Goal is for them to get it right! But other then that yea I hope we all do unite, and support Welling when he's cast in the near future... I'm telling you TOM WELLING WILL PLAY SUPERMAN ON THE BIG SCREEN!

All well and good to like Tom Welling and want him as Superman, just like it is for fans of Cavill or Trucco...if you're going to just say it every post...it definately approaches spamming...

[Showtime]

An interview with Jonah Nolan revealed that he spent about 3-4 months on the first draft of TDK, and he said it was one of the fastest scripts he had written because Chris and David Goyer already had a complete outline laid out for him.

It definately depends on the approach of the writer, in regards to outline and what actually constitutes a first draft for said writer.


You're right, though - it does depend on the writer. Jonah spent 3 years on the short story that inspired Memento, so I'm guessing he's a fairly slow, methodical writer. (Although, I have a friend who actually got paid to write a screenplay recently and it took a good part of a year for her as well. Well, most of it was wrangling with the director to make the story not suck, but....that's another thing entirely!)


Screewriting is an art, and just like any artist, each screenwriter approaches their craft differently, also each script is different and require different approaches.

I'd certainly hope they spent at least a month on a script for the kind of Superman movie they want. :o


I'm sure they will.

[Anita18]

I'm sure they will.
Then maybe using the two-week-script for Scream as an example wasn't the best way to temper our concerns. :cwink:

[newmexneon]

I don't care who they cast as long as he fits. I will miss Routh because I thought he fit the role perfectly but it's impossible to use him for a reboot

I just hope they take Mark Millar up on his offer to write the script. The way he talked about Superman and the passion he has for the character convinced me that he would do a good job.

[GreenLantern1]

I hope Tom Welling is nowhere near this movie. He is no Superman and I think Smallville sucks.

[manofsteel4life]

i dont want Welling to be superman....but not cause i dont like him, because he's made for Smallville.....if he gets cast, i dont really consider this movie to be a reboot

[bunk]

Showtime:

Does Singer not being the director, make any previously mentioned writers unlikely now?

[BATZARRO WWD]

Fun fact: By the time a Superman movie gets into theater, Smallville will be a thing of the past.

Really! the last season is this year, they'll rerun it well into next year, and that's that. A Superman movie will likely take more than that. Don't get me wrong, I like Smallville. But I'd rather look ahead, than tie the movie to thing that are now, but will not be then.

Also, with creative egos comes pride. Who knows if the directors and writers WANT to follow on into Smallville's footsteps, take an ready made universe. And one where everyone know's Clark's secret, at that.

So, cling into the hopes of Welling being cast if yuo must. It personally wouldn't bother me much. But, I don't think it's likely they'll reintroduce Superman by using the same one from the T.V. series.

[Showtime]

Then maybe using the two-week-script for Scream as an example wasn't the best way to temper our concerns. :cwink:

My point was that 2010 was still possible starting with a tight quickly written script by a capable screenwriter.

If they have the right to post Cavil's pictures, and claim he should be picked for the role then we Welling fans have the same right, and it's not spamming it's called having a mature discussion on this topic at hand, and let's face it right now there isn't much else to talk about.

Unless anyone here want's to talk about Obama's running mate! :csad:

You're not following me, almost every one of your posts says, WELLINGZ FOR SUPEZ at the end. I'm not sure how mature that really is, if it said TRUCCOZ FOR SUPEZ I would be saying the same thing.

Plus EVERYBODY should be posting pictures in the "Casting Superman" part of the boards and that is it.

[Superark]

I just finally started to take a look at Bryan's production video diaries for SR, and it's really cool seeing how it all came together re: production design, but one recurring phrase in my head is, "So...much....money!" :o

Did they really have to plant 200 hectares of their own corn (it takes months!) so a young Clark could run and jump in it, for a scene that did not drive the story forward at all? Did they really have to build so many of their own to-scale sets instead of renting spaces? Actually, not sure how much that would cost since it definitely depends on location, but it certainly would have cut down on overall manpower and time. Every second you spend using any kind of labor, that's money out of the movie's budget. It also doesn't help that Singer reportedly had trouble for weeks filming the New Krypton sequence with the water tanks, that must have held up production for a while. Also, little things that jump out at me while watching the video diaries, like Bryan switching the location of Clark's bedroom in the full-scale Kent house. It seems like such a small change, but it'd still take a day to move everything and redress. He just didn't seem to know what he wanted or how to get it.

And now Valkyrie is reportedly going massively over budget as well. Was supposed to be a $35 million picture, but then they casted Cruise and now Variety reports it's "over $90 million and climbing." (I read on a forum that it's apparently up to $120 million now.) Valkyrie could very well be a great picture, but for every million they spend on the movie, that's about $2 million that needs to be made back. Considering it's now a winter release, making back that kind of money looks less and less likely.

Singer may also be a great director for a future Superman film, but if WB is indeed very concerned about the budget, they have no choice but to give him the boot. I wonder what kinds of feature film directing jobs he'll get in the future, now that he's earned a reputation for being a runaway director.

I'm not saying that other directors haven't spent a lot of money on seemingly frivolous things, but for SR they seemed to be almost gleeful about it. (Until it didn't turn out to be as successful as they had hoped, that is. :oldrazz: ) The actors would often talk about how much money was being spent on production, Bryan Singer made a show of flying from Australia to San Diego just for Comic Con. It was like, "Woohoo, look at how we're spending our bottomless money pit!"

I dunno, maybe it's just me and my stingyness, but I cringe whenever someone gloats over how they spent soooo much money on something.


An interview with Jonah Nolan revealed that he spent about 3-4 months on the first draft of TDK, and he said it was one of the fastest scripts he had written because Chris and David Goyer already had a complete outline laid out for him.

You're right, though - it does depend on the writer. Jonah spent 3 years on the short story that inspired Memento, so I'm guessing he's a fairly slow, methodical writer. (Although, I have a friend who actually got paid to write a screenplay recently and it took a good part of a year for her as well. Well, most of it was wrangling with the director to make the story not suck, but....that's another thing entirely!)

I'd certainly hope they spent at least a month on a script for the kind of Superman movie they want. :o


More recently, WB got a taste of what it's like to let a director do what he wishes with positively everything, and it's looking like it's going to earn them a $500 million+ picture. :cwink:

What's tricky is that they have to go on a case-by-case basis. Letting Nolan do whatever he wants is a completely different thing than letting Singer do whatever he wants. They have to meet with different directors, hear them out and then get together and ask, "Do we trust this person to make a great movie, and do it within our budget and our time constraints?"

The did this with Singer, it just didn't work out the way they wanted it to when it came out in theaters.

[The Batman]

And this has nothing to do with this thread but The Batman - I just wanted to comment on your avatar. Anyone who pays respect to Adam West's Batman is okay with me.


He deserves it...hes still the most faithful version of batman in live action, and is pretty much the only reason campy batman ever worked

[Superman-Prime]

Ugh. This thread has already turned into Tom Welling for Superman Reboot. I don't want to see Tom Welling as Superman. It's not that I hate Tom Welling. I love Smallville, but I don't want him to be Superman.

I'm so sick of Tom Welling for Superman Reboot! Tom Welling for Superman Reboot! Argh.

[Cousin Itt]

Tom Welling for president!

[dark_b]

sorry but this doesnt even make sense.
SR is history. which means that a complete reboot is going to happen. this is not 2005 anymore when WB wanted to connect this to donner or to smallville. we are talking here about a second chance. this is a reboot. which means reintroducing the character. how can a guy who was in smallville here even fit in?

[Manosman]

Reboot, which sounds like is going to happen, means everything must go, and everything must be new. As much as I hate to see it go, that means the theme, the set designs (FoS), the actors, etc. and tell me this, if they are going to reboot this thing, why on earth would they cast welling? if they reboot that means this cannot and will not be tied to anything done previously, that's how I would do it. Like dark_b said this isnt 05 anymore, please stop with the welling for supes, and move on.

[Timstuff]

sorry but this doesnt even make sense.
SR is history. which means that a complete reboot is going to happen. this is not 2005 anymore when WB wanted to connect this to donner or to smallville. we are talking here about a second chance. this is a reboot. which means reintroducing the character. how can a guy who was in smallville here even fit in?

I thought that since I was cured of my Wellingitus, most of the other Wellingites would be too by now. I was hoping that we'd be able to discuss a new Superman movie without it becoming a Welling vs. everyone bloodbath. I had hope. But now, I wonder if my hope was misplaced... :csad:

Welling is not going to be in the Superman reboot, people. Get over it now, or else by the time Warner Bros. actually picks an actor, they're just going to reach into a hat and pull out another no-face stranger that no-one asked for, like when Routh was cast. If you want to throw your support behind an actor who legitimately stands a chance at getting the part, go ahead. But if you're oging to come in here and demand that Warner Bros. make a Smallville movie, they're just going to take all the Welling demand as fans not having any valid input on the process, like when they picked Routh for SR.

[Mikelus]

The did this with Singer, it just didn't work out the way they wanted it to when it came out in theaters.

WB made the huge mistake of approving that script, Singer is a very good director, though he seems to have problems managing budgets. Lets hope this time they get the right people to write the script, writers that understand and love Superman, then cast the right actors in terms of age, looks and talent, the director is the easiest part of the equation.

[Hole Shot]

And now Valkyrie is reportedly going massively over budget as well. Was supposed to be a $35 million picture, but then they casted Cruise and now Variety reports it's "over $90 million and climbing." (I read on a forum that it's apparently up to $120 million now.) Valkyrie could very well be a great picture, but for every million they spend on the movie, that's about $2 million that needs to be made back. Considering it's now a winter release, making back that kind of money looks less and less likely.

On top of the extra money Cruise is costing them, I think at the end of the day his casting is going to end up ruining the movie. I can't not be abstracted by his American accent every time I watch the trailer.

[Superark]

Singer definitely isn't good with handling money for some reason. Wasn't he good with the budget on X2? Why is it so hard for him now?

[BMM]

Tom Welling won’t be Superman. Including anything Smallville related works against Warner Bros. idea of reintroducing Superman and making the movie as accessible as possible to the general audience.

[dark_b]

Singer definitely isn't good with handling money for some reason. Wasn't he good with the budget on X2? Why is it so hard for him now?my explanation is very simple. he is like a young boy.
he had very little money for hes -men movies. from what i have heard there were even little fights when FOX didnt want to give more money.and he did wonders with what he had.then SR. WB is a big studio. this is nto fox.
they give you 200 milions for superman.
they gave a small director like Nolan 150 milions for BB.so eyes had to glow.so then happened what happened.200 milions was candy for Singer.

[Showtime]

Candy...Corn...

[I SEE SPIDEY]

my explanation is very simple. he is like a young boy.
he had very little money for hes -men movies. from what i have heard there were even little fights when FOX didnt want to give more money.and he did wonders with what he had.then SR. WB is a big studio. this is nto fox.
they give you 200 milions for superman.
they gave a small director like Nolan 150 milions for BB.so eyes had to glow.so then happened what happened.200 milions was candy for Singer.That might be it. I just wish it showed up on screen.

[regwec]

I think Singer has a slightly indulgent temprament. It probably means he's a nice person, but it can cause problems with planning, logistics, finance etc. You can't help but compare him to Chris Nolan, who seems to have every shot planned so precisely by the time that the cameras roll that everyone involved knows they have to deliver the best they can. The use of the sound stages as an economical resource for "BB" is more edifying than the filming of "TDK", really.

[dark_b]

That might be it. I just wish it showed up on screen.you eat candy. you dont share it.Singer will have great memories from directing SR. he has tons of pics of him on hes sets that were ultradetailed(none will ever notice those details while watching the mvoie). and he will watch hes krypton scene at home.
all of those stuff that WB payed is not hes and WB's.

i mean its fair tha twe gave them 400 milions and they are not even fair to give us the krypton scene

[dark_b]

I think Singer has a slightly indulgent temprament. It probably means he's a nice person, but it can cause problems with planning, logistics, finance etc. You can't help but compare him to Chris Nolan, who seems to have every shot planned so precisely by the time that the cameras roll that everyone involved knows they have to deliver the best they can. The use of the sound stages as an economical resource for "BB" is more edifying than the filming of "TDK", really.Nolan did a lot of alternative takes for TDK.you can see it in the trailers.
the guy prepares for filming and knows everything. but he is still able to be creative on set.he is a machine. the guy gave us complex stories and was at the same time able to give us some batman action.

[Superark]

That might be it. I just wish it showed up on screen.


I think it showed on screen, just not in the way I expected.

[Superark]

you eat candy. you dont share it.Singer will have great memories from directing SR. he has tons of pics of him on hes sets that were ultradetailed(none will ever notice those details while watching the mvoie). and he will watch hes krypton scene at home.
all of those stuff that WB payed is not hes and WB's.

i mean its fair tha twe gave them 400 milions and they are not even fair to give us the krypton scene

That definitely sucked! I can only pray Singer will one day change his mind and decide to do an extended cut dvd.

[regwec]

I know that (have seen you in the same thread!), but my argument is that Nolan gets the best fiscal return from shooting by careful and savvy planning. He also seems to be able to nurture and inspire actors (compare Heath Ledger to Brandon Routh- perhaps unfairly).

[Spade]

I think the problem with the WB and Singer is the inverse of that with 20th Century. His X-Men ideas were too big, so they had to curtail them. His ideas with Superman, however, were mostly romance-driven. You don't give a big sandbox for a small idea. That same issue came with Spider-Man 3- for all of the big effects, the budget didn't bear fruit on the big screen. The irony in both cases is that, for all that cash, the CGI was mediocre. The building destruction in SM3 looked like a video game, and Superman's final flight has one of the worst full CGI shots of a person to ever make it to film.

[FlawlessVictory]

I know that (have seen you in the same thread!), but my argument is that Nolan gets the best fiscal return from shooting by careful and savvy planning. He also seems to be able to nurture and inspire actors (compare Heath Ledger to Brandon Routh- perhaps unfairly).

Kosove's Alcon partner, Broderick Johnson, adds that beyond the creative vision are a set of skills found only in a handful of directors. "He has the whole movie, every single scene, in his head before he stars shooting," Johnson said. "And then coupled with that he's a really good communicator so he can get that vision across to everyone on set." The producers say that Nolan had already calibrated every scene in "Insomnia" so precisely that they could find only one deleted scene to include on the DVD.

While Nolan's trajectory may be unlikely, those who've collaborated with him said they're not surprised that he had made such a large leap in so short a time.

Distribution guru Bob Berney, who worked with Nolan when he served as a consultant to Newmarket for "Memento," says that, unlike some indie directors who simply end up directing bigger movies by default when the offers start coming in, Nolan was aiming for tentpoles all along. "He exuded self-assurance and confidence that he'd be where he is today," Berney says. "He wanted to be doing movies like 'Batman.' "

The closest analogue to Nolan may be Paul Greengrass, who moved fleetly from edgy political fare like "Bloody Sunday" to the mega-earning Jason Bourne franchise. (Guillermo del Toro, who has enjoyed studio success and solid openings while staying true to his quirky vision is also an exemplar of the Nolan model, though del Toro's numbers are smaller, and the fanboy world to which he plays has always been a little more willing to reward originality and punish imitators.)

Nolan, who turns 38 next week, is also an anomaly for another reason: he's a director who's beloved by the money people, a function likely not only of his boxoffice but of his reported fiscal discipline. "I told (Nolan), 'I'd do anything with you. I'd do a wedding video with you,' " says Legendary Pictures financier Thomas Tull, whose company financed "The Dark Knight."

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i1da5db18eb0203bb47d5118dccdf3432

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Nolan's a great director and his brother is a great writer.

I don't expect WB to get someone as good as those two for the Superman movie but I would like somebody good.

[FilmNerdJamie]

You guys have to remember that WB and DC are working closely together on this new Superman revival film. So one shouldn't worry about "dark" Supes because DC won't allow that.

Also in terms of filmmakers, it's going to be someone whose clearly talented, sees eye-to-eye with the material/approach he's working with and (most importantly) can be easily controlled by WB/DC - directors along the line of Francis Lawerence, D.J. Caruso or David Slade.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

You guys have to remember that WB and DC are working closely together on this new Superman revival film. So one shouldn't worry about "dark" Supes because DC won't allow that.

Also in terms of filmmakers, it's going to be someone whose clearly talented, sees eye-to-eye with the material/approach he's working with and (most importantly) can be easily controlled by WB/DC - directors along the line of Francis Lawerence, D.J. Caruso or David Slade.Okay, you are making me feel better about the whole thing.

As long as they get a good screenwriter I wouldn't mind Francis Lawrence.

[FilmNerdJamie]

As long as they get a good screenwriter I wouldn't mind Francis Lawrence.

Some poster mentioned above that Nolan & Co. took from various comics over the decades as well as adding their own ideas into the mix to create their Batman revival film series. That's what'll ultimately come down with Superman.

I seriously doubt they get anyone remotely related to the comics-industry involved with Superman in terms of writing...

[FlawlessVictory]

Some poster mentioned above that Nolan & Co. took from various comics over the decades as well as adding their own ideas into the mix to create their Batman revival film series. That's what'll ultimately come down with Superman.

I seriously doubt they get anyone remotely related to the comics-industry involved with Superman in terms of writing...

Sounds great. And I don't need an actual comic book writer to write the film. I just need a writer who acknowledges there's more to Superman than just the Donner films. That would be a good start.

[SatEL]

Sounds great. And I don't need an actual comic book writer to write the film. I just need a writer who acknowledges there's more to Superman than just the Donner films. That would be a good start.

They should have a comic book expect on set as an advisor as well as one or two lending a hand to the script writer (Letting him know about Supermans deep history and what might work).

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Some poster mentioned above that Nolan & Co. took from various comics over the decades as well as adding their own ideas into the mix to create their Batman revival film series. That's what'll ultimately come down with Superman.

I seriously doubt they get anyone remotely related to the comics-industry involved with Superman in terms of writing...I doubt that too. As Flawless says, as long as it's a good screenwriter I don't really care.

[FlawlessVictory]

They should have a comic book expect on set as an advisor as well as one or two lending a hand to the script writer (Letting him know about Supermans deep history and what might work).

I definitely agree. Consultants, advisors, the works! Take advantage of DC Comics being a subsidiary of WB.

[Bulletproof]

The Superman story can be made quite dark without altering the character. Remember, Superman doesn't have to be the dark part. If anything he should be portrayed as a lone beacon of light. Let's tone down the Messiah angle this time though.

[Spade]

Well, Guggenheim's on Green Lantern. Maybe a comic book writer getting involved with this reboot isn't so far-fetched.

[FlawlessVictory]

The Superman story can be made quite dark without altering the character. Remember, Superman doesn't have to be the dark part. If anything he should be portrayed as a lone beacon of light. Let's tone down the Messiah angle this time though.

Agreed. People hear dark and automatically freak out and think Tim Burton zombie Superman. I think it more has to do with the physical and psychological threats Superman will have to deal with represented in the new villains to be used. Basically, Superman's biggest foil won't be a goofy real estate scheme.

[X Knight]

let us all pray and hope that WB will get it right this time and deliver a BB/TDK worthy experience for us Superman fans....

[Bulletproof]

Agreed. People hear dark and automatically freak out and think Tim Burton zombie Superman. I think it more has to do with the physical and psychological threats Superman will have to deal with represented in the new villains to be used. Basically, Superman's biggest foil won't be a goofy real estate scheme.

Exactly,
Personally I would like to see a Superman not so readily accepted by the public, a Luthor who is motivated by thinking that Superman is a threat to mankind's ultimate destiny, and no Jimmy Olsen.

[regwec]

The Superman story can be made quite dark without altering the character. Remember, Superman doesn't have to be the dark part. If anything he should be portrayed as a lone beacon of light. Let's tone down the Messiah angle this time though.
That's just what I said yesterday. If you look at TDK, Batman was presented as no less morally rigid and incorruptable as Superman, but the difficulty of his circumstances and the choices he had to make made the story as dark as night. The same is possible with Supes. What if Mongul annihilates Smallville completely? Or Bizarro abducts Lois and seems to suffer some sexual confusion/frustration with her?

[Bulletproof]

:bow:

[Kurosawa]

Reboot, which sounds like is going to happen, means everything must go, and everything must be new. As much as I hate to see it go, that means the theme, the set designs (FoS), the actors, etc. and tell me this, if they are going to reboot this thing, why on earth would they cast welling? if they reboot that means this cannot and will not be tied to anything done previously, that's how I would do it. Like dark_b said this isnt 05 anymore, please stop with the welling for supes, and move on.

Agreed with all.

I'd really love to see an art deco Krypton that fits with Siegel and Shuster's version.

[iamsilvio]

The problem with superman returns was that the cast was "off." Kate Bosworth looked too young and so did Routh. The dark Knight had characters you looked gritty and real. Maybe in another three years Routh will age enough that he will look like a full grown man on the screen, not just some young kid.

If they are indeed going darker, I suggest they bring in Darksied, Mongul or Doomsday. Many people suggest brainiac but I think such a villian lacks character, and has been brought to screen already in Smallville.

I would change Supermans background slightly as well. I would have him spend his early teenage years on New Genesis, where he frees the slaves on Apokolips while Darksied is on a mission of some kind. SM would then be banished from New Genesis for breaking the pact between the two planets. He would eventually find comfort in an elderly couple on Earth and get a job at the daily bugel. Years later, Darkseid would come to Earth seeking revenge...

[regwec]

Your idea would be interesting in an Elseworlds story, but I wouldn't accept it as a cornerstone of "our" Superman's mythos. At his core, Superman is a commentary on the American immigrant experience. If he emigrates somewhere else first, then that theme is seriously comprimised.

[Spade]

That would be way too different, and I wouldn't want a weak way of introducing New Genesis and Darkseid when a tricky concept like that deserves better.

[bunk]

The problem with superman returns was that the cast was "off." Kate Bosworth looked too young and so did Routh. The dark Knight had characters you looked gritty and real. Maybe in another three years Routh will age enough that he will look like a full grown man on the screen, not just some young kid.


Actually I thought Routh looked plenty mature enough for a Superman just starting out. Unfortunately, he wasn't playing that...

[Anita18]

Nolan did a lot of alternative takes for TDK.you can see it in the trailers.
Probably not that many takes. A fiscally-responsible director (and producer, yay for the Nolan missus!) keeps things moving. I'd be surprised if he took more than 5 takes of anything.

And some scenes in TDK only had one take, like the hospital explosion. :oldrazz: Heath actually wanted to do it again, but it was like, "Um, no, we don't have another building to blow up, sorry..." :lmao:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i1da5db18eb0203bb47d5118dccdf3432
:up:

I worked briefly someone who worked under Nolan as a PA, and she said he "runs a very tight ship" and worked with good people, which is probably the most influential aspect of his success.

[Anita18]

Actually I thought Routh looked plenty mature enough for a Superman just starting out. Unfortunately, he wasn't playing that...
Right. Both Routh and Bosworth looked like they were in their early 20's. Bosworth was I think only 23 at the time anyway, so...I don't quite understand the thinking of casting such a young woman to play the mother of a 5-year-old who was conceived when she already was a famous reporter.

Routh looks younger than he is, but he was cast too young as well. I think he was 25 or 26 at the time of SR's filming?

I think they should definitely cast older the next time around, unless they're going with an origin film. But Bale made for a pretty okay college kid at 31. :oldrazz: It's easier to dress someone to make them look younger than to make people look older, especially if you make them up to keep them relatively good-looking...

[Motown Marvel]

If they are indeed going darker, I suggest they bring in Darksied, Mongul or Doomsday. Many people suggest brainiac but I think such a villian lacks character, and has been brought to screen already in Smallville.

ha, that wasnt brainiac on smallville.

I would change Supermans background slightly as well. I would have him spend his early teenage years on New Genesis, where he frees the slaves on Apokolips while Darksied is on a mission of some kind. SM would then be banished from New Genesis for breaking the pact between the two planets. He would eventually find comfort in an elderly couple on Earth and get a job at the daily bugel. Years later, Darkseid would come to Earth seeking revenge...
no...just...no.

[Jordacar]

What's got me most conflicted about the whole thing is Brandon Routh. Despite the poor reception of the film, the consensus was that he was well cast. If they reboot the franchise like they're saying, odds are they'll recast him; otherwise it would be confusing, kinda like bringing back Michael Keaton for Batman Begins. On the other hand, it just seems like such a waste, and I'm sure Routh was looking forward to being Supes for realz the second time around...

[Excel]

I would change Supermans background slightly as well. I would have him spend his early teenage years on New Genesis, where he frees the slaves on Apokolips while Darksied is on a mission of some kind. SM would then be banished from New Genesis for breaking the pact between the two planets. He would eventually find comfort in an elderly couple on Earth and get a job at the daily bugel. Years later, Darkseid would come to Earth seeking revenge...

:dry:

Wtf did I just read? Bro, we're fans! We want a GOOD movie, not a **** one :up:

[Showtime]

What's got me most conflicted about the whole thing is Brandon Routh. Despite the poor reception of the film, the consensus was that he was well cast. If they reboot the franchise like they're saying, odds are they'll recast him; otherwise it would be confusing, kinda like bringing back Michael Keaton for Batman Begins. On the other hand, it just seems like such a waste, and I'm sure Routh was looking forward to being Supes for realz the second time around...

Unfortunately he won't get that shot.

[KobiKai]

What's got me most conflicted about the whole thing is Brandon Routh. Despite the poor reception of the film, the consensus was that he was well cast. If they reboot the franchise like they're saying, odds are they'll recast him; otherwise it would be confusing, kinda like bringing back Michael Keaton for Batman Begins. On the other hand, it just seems like such a waste, and I'm sure Routh was looking forward to being Supes for realz the second time around...


Routh was so well cast and did such a fine job that he's basically been unemployed ever since :woot:
Seriously he's done nothing since Returns, George Lazenby's resume puts Routh's to shame

[DieSmiling]

If they are indeed going darker, I suggest they bring in Darksied, Mongul or Doomsday. Many people suggest brainiac but I think such a villian lacks character, and has been brought to screen already in Smallville.


http://media.g4tv.com/images/blog/2007/12/06/633325462873135493.jpg

[Hole Shot]

from New Genesis for breaking the pact between the two planets. He would eventually find comfort in an elderly couple on Earth and get a job at the daily bugel. Years later, Darkseid would come to Earth seeking revenge...

I'm not sure if Clark would enjoy working for Jameson and having a photographer always trying to save the day too.

[The Caped Knight]

I like Smallville to a certain extent and even I don't want to see Welling in this Reboot .

First off smallvile's got Huge pot holes the size of sun spots that it just wouldn't translate well in this film

second I don't want to see Chloe Sullivan in superman's universe . keep her in smallville

Finally if WB want this to be hit like BB & TDK .... Then they got to Start from scratch

[KobiKai]

Finally if WB want this to be hit like BB & TDK .... Then they got to Start from scratch


Completely true but also only use the parts of the Superman mythos that suits their vision, don't try and crowbar it in for the sake of the fan boy minority

[ReignSupreme07]

No more Superkid! YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Lazlo Panaflex]

Routh looks younger than he is, but he was cast too young as well. I think he was 25 or 26 at the time of SR's filming?

Christopher Reeve was around that same age when he did Superman, I guess his face showed a more mature jawline and he did work out a bit with David Prowse coaching him.

Brandon Routh was unfortunate of having his suit padded with foam muscles and he was basically doing a Reeve impression brought on by Singer's take.

I hope they don't recast Routh as I had high hopes of seeing him again as Superman because as far as we know the WB might want to hire the current crop of teen hunks like Zak Efron, Chase Crawford.

[The Caped Knight]

Completely true but also only use the parts of the Superman mythos that suits their vision, don't try and crowbar it in for the sake of the fan boy minority

Part of The Success of Batman Begins & The Dark Knight was that Nolan incorporated 70 years worth of the best graphic novels of Batman in these film . He respected The Character of Batman & his supporting cast members & Rogue Gallery of Villains .

A similar approach should be made with superman .

[Crook]

I think they should definitely cast older the next time around, unless they're going with an origin film. But Bale made for a pretty okay college kid at 31. :oldrazz: It's easier to dress someone to make them look younger than to make people look older, especially if you make them up to keep them relatively good-looking...
It's not easier, it's harder. :huh:

Make-up has gone a long way in making people look older than they are. The addition of sags and wrinkles aren't hindered by make-up. Marion Cotillard being a recent example. It's a lot more difficult to make an older face look young, especially at a certain age.

Pat of The Success of Batman Begins & The Dark Knight was that Nolan incorporated 70 years worth of the best graphic novels of Batman in these film . He respected The Character of Batman & his supporting cast members & Rogue Gallery of Villains .

A similar approach should be made with superman .
That goes without saying. More than ever now though, I think it's important the film set a very distinctive style from all prior interpretations. Any overt hints/nods to Donner's universe or whatnot might be a detriment to setting up a complete reboot.

[iamsilvio]

SM's origin is boring. If they show it again, after showing it in Donners and Singers, it will be redundant. That is why i suggest they change the background slightly. Clarks teenage years are boring and meaningless. Have you guys ever noticed that nothing of significance happens in those years. I suggest they fill it with something different. New Genesis is my best suggestion.

Just like in the DK, Supermans presence in the cosmos brings out some real scary bad guys. It will make superman question if he should leave Earth? And if he did where would he go? He would feel more alienated and alone than ever. That to me will make the story far more interesting.

[X Knight]

no....Superman/Kal-El/Clark NEEDS to be raised here on Earth by the Kents. That's a defining trait of the character.....an alien RAISED AS A HUMAN, with smalltown, mid-america values.

[MAN O STEEL]

after showing it in Donners and Singers



When did it show it in singers?. You mean the 2 second clip of Krypton exploading?. HA that ain't an origin my friend. The only redundant thing here is ppl's inherant need to have a movie where Superman is already established even after SR showed that established is wrong & an origin is the way to go. Wake up ppl.



Steve

[BATZARRO WWD]

Wow, people are still hoping Routh is in? Even as they said they'd REINTRODUCE the character?

Look, we all gotta deal with the reality of the aftermath. I wanted Justice League Mortal. But guess what, it's not happening now, and potentially never. So, you accept it, then move on.

Now, if you can tell me how you reintroduce a character using the same actor that previously played him, I'm all ears. But the fact is you CAN'T and likely they won't. Because if you restart, but with the same actor, where is this going? Won't people ask "where is his son?".

"And no one pours new wine into old wineskins. If he does, the wine will make the skins burst, and both the wine and the skins will be ruined. Instead, new wine is poured into fresh wineskins."

Stop trying to salvage Brandon Routh. His days as Superman are over, wether he likes it or not, wether you like it or not, or wether it's fair or not.

[Sam]

SM's origin is boring. If they show it again, after showing it in Donners and Singers, it will be redundant. That is why i suggest they change the background slightly. Clarks teenage years are boring and meaningless. Have you guys ever noticed that nothing of significance happens in those years. I suggest they fill it with something different. New Genesis is my best suggestion.

Just like in the DK, Supermans presence in the cosmos brings out some real scary bad guys. It will make superman question if he should leave Earth? And if he did where would he go? He would feel more alienated and alone than ever. That to me will make the story far more interesting.


Your post is boring and meaningless.

[MAN O STEEL]

Wow, people are still hoping Routh is in? Even as they said they'd REINTRODUCE the character?

Look, we all gotta deal with the reality of the aftermath. I wanted Justice League Mortal. But guess what, it's not happening now, and potentially never. So, you accept it, then move on.

Now, if you can tell me how you reintroduce a character using the same actor that previously played him, I'm all ears. But the fact is you CAN'T and likely they won't. Because if you restart, but with the same actor, where is this going? Won't people ask "where is his son?".

"And no one pours new wine into old wineskins. If he does, the wine will make the skins burst, and both the wine and the skins will be ruined. Instead, new wine is poured into fresh wineskins."

Stop trying to salvage Brandon Routh. His days as Superman are over, wether he likes it or not, wether you like it or not, or wether it's fair or not.



Someone with brains has spoken. I commend you sir. :woot:




Steve

[VenomsMom]

Pat of The Success of Batman Begins & The Dark Knight was that Nolan incorporated 70 years worth of the best graphic novels of Batman in these film . He respected The Character of Batman & his supporting cast members & Rogue Gallery of Villains .

A similar approach should be made with superman .great point. I agree.

[Anita18]

It's not easier, it's harder. :huh:

Make-up has gone a long way in making people look older than they are. The addition of sags and wrinkles aren't hindered by make-up. Marion Cotillard being a recent example. It's a lot more difficult to make an older face look young, especially at a certain age.
It is easier now to make someone look older, but there aren't a whole lot of sags and wrinkles when one is in their mid-30's. It's a lot more subtle than that, mostly in the bone structure.

And Maggie Gyllenhaal in TDK ranged in age about 10 years depending on the lighting. :oldrazz: Lighting plays a huge part in aging someone, and in SR, they chose the soft gentle glow that sorta makes everyone look younger anyway.

[iamsilvio]

He will be raised by the Kents, he will simply be a bit older. His experience on Genesis will be the catalyst for Darkseids arrival. Think about. His strong desire for justice (i.e freeing the slaves of apokolypse) brought Darkseid to earth. That creates Pathos for the character.

[Katsuro]

He will be raised by the Kents, he will simply be a bit older. His experience on Genesis will be the catalyst for Darkseids arrival. Think about. His strong desire for justice (i.e freeing the slaves of apokolypse) brought Darkseid to earth. That creates Pathos for the character.

Again though, the plan is to "reintroduce" Superman. In order to do that, you need an origin story. Even if the whole movie isn't origin, you need to show it in the movie. You need to set up how this movie is different from the Donner movies. Otherwise people will be just as confused as they were for The Incredible Hulk, which no one saw cuz they thought it was a sequel.

[VenomsMom]

They would be a fool to start a relaunch of this francise right off the bat with Darkseid. That is not a wise choice.

[hippie_hunter]

How much do you want to bet thats an avatar?
It isn't an avatar. The actual Fourth World incarnation of Darkseid was killed by Orion in Countdown to Final Crisis #2.

Then a couple of weeks Darkseid was resurrected in DC Universe #0 in his Fifth World incarnation while falling backwards through time and lived on Earth in an avatar as Boss Dark Side, explaining why there have been two completely different Darkseids with Boss Dark Side in Grant Morrison's Seven Soldiers maxiseries and the traditional Darkseid everywhere else in the DCU.

This human avatar of Boss Dark Side abandoned in the last pages of Final Crisis #3 with Darkseid taking control of Earth and the majority of its superheroes.

[iamsilvio]

Venomsmom,

They rebooted Hulk with the Abomination, a major character in the hulk universe. There have been enough superman films that people are ready for the ultimate bad guy. Besides, they may not be aiming for a trillogy anyway so what does it matter which bad guy they use.

[hippie_hunter]

The thing is that Lex Luthor is Superman's ultimate bad guy. Darkseid is far too powerful for Superman to take on his own.

[The Caped Knight]

Another Strong point in Nolan's direction is how he took the supporting cast members ike Alfred, Gordon & Lucius Fox ( A character that for the most part in the Batman mythology wasn't seen as a major asset in Batman's world . ) Nolan & company & Freeman gave depth to Lucius that now the comic book writers are re incorporating him as a key member in Batman's world . He knows about the secret and he supply weapons & helped in building the Batcave .


If the Reboot of superman focused on given more depth to the supporting cast member of superman it might help . Lois,Jimmy, Perry, Cat , bibbo ,etc... And keep Jonathan & Martha Kent alive like in the current comics .

[MAN O STEEL]

If the Reboot of superman focused on given more depth to the supporting cast member of superman it might help .


more depth to them equals more screen time & I think we've learned our lesson from SR about focusing to much on supporting casts. :oldrazz::cwink:





Steve

[Katsuro]

Venomsmom,

They rebooted Hulk with the Abomination, a major character in the hulk universe. There have been enough superman films that people are ready for the ultimate bad guy. Besides, they may not be aiming for a trillogy anyway so what does it matter which bad guy they use.

Darkseid isn't a Superman villain. He's a DC villain. He's far bigger of a threat than for Superman alone. He should be tackled by the Jusice League, and not in their first film ether, ideally. He's way to complex to throw into a movie like this

[hippie_hunter]

http://www.boblayton.com/Art%20Gallery/Art%20Gallery%2038/darkseidjla.jpg

This is how Darkseid should be portrayed

[The Caped Knight]

more depth to them equals more screen time & I think we've learned our lesson from SR about focusing to much on supporting casts. :oldrazz::cwink:





Steve

That's a bad example . Look at how Superman : the animated series handle the supporting cast of Superman . the way Timm & company did it was brilliant .

[MAN O STEEL]

That's a bad example . Look at how Superman : the animated series handle the supporting cast of Superman . the way Timm & company did it was
brilliant .


That's a good point however a cartoon series & a solo 2 hr movie are 2 different thing's. Only so mucht ime can be spent without alienating superman ( pun intended )




Steve

[VenomsMom]

Venomsmom,

They rebooted Hulk with the Abomination, a major character in the hulk universe. There have been enough superman films that people are ready for the ultimate bad guy. Besides, they may not be aiming for a trillogy anyway so what does it matter which bad guy they use.
If they are doing a relaunch of this francise to reintroduce superman to the general audiences then i would imagine they are including an origin. Sequences of Krypton and then his arrival to earth. There are other villains such as Metallo that can provide a great story and action in addition to establishing Luther and Lexcorp. Why bring in the ultimate threat in this movie so soon? Doomsday or Darkseid. Its about his purpose and history that has to be expanded upon. Abomination pales in comparison to a world threat like darkseid and vastly far more complicated story that should be built upon in this first movie once Supes discover who he is. This story has to be about Superman first and then the villain.

[VenomsMom]

http://www.boblayton.com/Art%20Gallery/Art%20Gallery%2038/darkseidjla.jpg

This is how Darkseid should be portrayed
Yeah.....maybe in an ensemble flick.

[The Caped Knight]

That's a good point however a cartoon series & a solo 2 hr movie are 2 different thing's. Only so mucht ime can be spent without alienating superman ( pun intended )




Steve

Bull if it could work for Batman it could work for Superman . It even worked well in BTAS (Batman : The animated series .)

When Gary Oldman became Commissioner Gordon in TDK he truly deserve the title . Unlike the previous Film Gordon . This version of Gordon in Batman Begins actually did more than just call Batman for help on the Bat-Signal . Gordon actually work to clean the city . I'm glad Nolan explored James Gordon and didn't just put as The Commissioner at the end of BB , but still devloped the character in TDK .

The same with Alfred Pennyworth , he became more than a butler, we saw him as a father figure in Bruce life as well as a voice of reason .

[MAN O STEEL]

Carter Oosterhouse?

http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/8965/supermanpainting1copyemot8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/8965/supermanpainting1copyemot8.ea65e6a457.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=244&i=supermanpainting1copyemot8.jpg)

[VenomsMom]

Bull if it could work for Batman it could work for Superman . It even worked well in BTAS (Batman : The animated series .)

When Gary Oldman became Commissioner Gordon in TDK he truly deserve the title . Unlike the previous Film Gordon . This version of Gordon in Batman Begins actually did more than just call Batman for help on the Bat-Signal . Gordon actually work to clean the city . I'm glad Nolan explored James Gordon and didn't just put as The Commissioner at the end of BB , but still devloped the character in TDK .

The same with Alfred Pennyworth , he became more than a butler, we saw him as a father figure in Bruce life as well as a voice of reason .
Yes.....it also helped that the Joker killed Commisioner Loeb.

[FlawlessVictory]

Bull if it could work for Batman it could work for Superman . It even worked well in BTAS (Batman : The animated series .)

When Gary Oldman became Commissioner Gordon in TDK he truly deserve the title . Unlike the previous Film Gordon . This version of Gordon in Batman Begins actually did more than just call Batman for help on the Bat-Signal . Gordon actually work to clean the city . I'm glad Nolan explored James Gordon and didn't just put as The Commissioner at the end of BB , but still devloped the character in TDK .

The same with Alfred Pennyworth , he became more than a butler, we saw him as a father figure in Bruce life as well as a voice of reason .

I know we are getting way off track, but the character of Gordon was so brilliantly handled by Nolan and Oldman. And it showed by the audience reaction. One of the loudest applause during this movie when I saw it multiple times was Gordon's "return". That says it all.

Ok, back to :super::yay:

[The Caped Knight]

Yes.....it also helped that the Joker killed Commisioner Loeb.

Loeb was an ass, he did a crappy job in his attempt to clean up a corrupted city . you knew he was going to get killed either in TDK or the third film before Gordon would take his place and actually do the job right . I'm glad he died in TDK . anyways let's get back on topic

[Jordacar]

Part of The Success of Batman Begins & The Dark Knight was that Nolan incorporated 70 years worth of the best graphic novels of Batman in these film . He respected The Character of Batman & his supporting cast members & Rogue Gallery of Villains .

A similar approach should be made with superman .Agreed. The makers of SR seemed to research the first two films and called it a day.

[Superman-Prime]

SM's origin is boring. If they show it again, after showing it in Donners and Singers, it will be redundant. That is why i suggest they change the background slightly. Clarks teenage years are boring and meaningless. Have you guys ever noticed that nothing of significance happens in those years. I suggest they fill it with something different. New Genesis is my best suggestion.


Then you're not a true Superman fan.

[Agent 194]

Carter Oosterhouse?

http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/8965/supermanpainting1copyemot8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


Have to admit, I don't know who he is but he sure looks like he could fit the bill to me. I like that idea better than trying to find an actor who looked like Chistopher Reeve. I didn't feel that worked. This guy looks a lot like he's been drawn lately.

And on another note....going back about 10 or 15 pages on this thread someone immaturely made reference to Rock Hudson. I always felt the Wayne Boring and Kurt Swan years were based on Hudson. Just as I felt the earlier Superman of the 40's was based on Cary Grant.

[BigA]

Carter Oosterhouse?

http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/8965/supermanpainting1copyemot8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/8965/supermanpainting1copyemot8.ea65e6a457.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=244&i=supermanpainting1copyemot8.jpg)

Isn't this guy a carpenter or something?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxwvTBJ46Kg

[Anita18]

Other directors would spend but they would spend wisely while Singer spent stupidly on things that were not needed, and then on scenes that didnt even make the cut he spent like 10 million! That's un acceptable by any studio!
I'm sure many other directors spend money on frivolous things, especially when starting out, but most of them don't gloat about it afterwards. :o That's the thing - boasting about how high your movie's budget was doesn't look good when it doesn't do gangbusters at the box office.

Singer gave Dan Harris & Michael Dougherty his outline for the storyline, and worked close with them on the screenplay! Yet the movie came out, and was total horse manour! It's not how it's done it's by who! You get REAL writters, and not the guys who wrote "Urban Legends: Bloody Mary" and expect the movie to be any good!
You know, you can't actually judge the ability of a lot of screenwriters by the finished movies that they're credited with, since a lot of changes happen between a finished script and a finished film. Most writers can only pray to get lucky enough to work with directors and studios who don't mess with their stuff too badly.

Chris and Jonah respect each other enough to work together closely, and not be afraid to really push each other and take a good ribbing every now and then. (Come to think of it, they really owe each other big since Memento was originally Jonah's concept that Chris took to film, and Chris gave Jonah The Prestige to write, which was his first credited film script. :woot: )

And of course they're lucky in that both happen to be great writers and storytellers. :cwink:

Not to say that Dougherty and Harris are secretly better writers than the Nolans, but if they've written anything that's been made into a film, obviously they don't suck total butt. There are thousands of other writers who can only dream of that kind of success.

[MAN O STEEL]

Isn't this guy a carpenter or something?



& model. Either way he's 6 foot 3 has a strong jaw, straight nose, looks his age ( 32-ish ) & could be a good choice.




Steve

[Anita18]

Isn't this guy a carpenter or something?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYe8P6axt58
Who cares? He's hot - I'll watch! :hehe: :grin:

[BigA]

& model. Either way he's 6 foot 3 has a strong jaw, straight nose, looks his age ( 32-ish ) & could be a good choice.




Steve

Have to agree. Maybe he can pull it off.

[BATZARRO WWD]

That's a good point however a cartoon series & a solo 2 hr movie are 2 different thing's. Only so mucht ime can be spent without alienating superman ( pun intended )




Steve

It's a bit of a tricky pony. For one, Superman can't be monologuing the whole day, and depending on how the story turns they might need a scientist to explain to the Superman(or to the audience) why "THIS robot can do this" or how "he's never seen anything like (blank). A well done supporting cast can make a journey worth it. They can also add angles of perception, sort of like Aunt May in the Spider-Man films.

Obviously Lois Lane SHOULD be in it, and she should be Superman's love interest(well, the could bring a sultry Dr from India, right Singer?). The dynamic they'll have, though, that's more difficult. Since they're starting from scratch, theyre relationship should be explored differently. But it should only be near central to the story, make it central, and you got Superman Returns. Hey, ten points if they get past the "damsel in distress element". Getting Lois as the one who wants to take Luthor down initially, would make for an interesting triangle: Lois wants to take Luthor down, Luthor wants to take Superman down, Superman wants Metropolis safe.

[The Caped Knight]

Obviously Lois Lane SHOULD be in it, and she should be Superman's love interest(well, the could bring a sultry Dr from India, right Singer?). The dynamic they'll have, though, that's more difficult. Since they're starting from scratch, theyre relationship should be explored differently. But it should only be near central to the story, make it central, and you got Superman Returns.

They need to build up the relationship between Lois & Clark from the foundation ground up . Explore the rivalry of Lois & Clark, The Friendship, and eventually the love relationship in the third film . I'd like to see a mixture of STAS, Lois & Clark tv series (season 1-2) & post crisis comic in the character of Lane & Kent . Their story is an epic Love story that is consider the top super couple in the superhero comic book genre . Let see in the film .

[Hole Shot]

Have to admit, I don't know who he is but he sure looks like he could fit the bill to me.


He's not an actor. He's a news correspondent and reality tv host or something.

[solidsnake86]

Well at least their is finally news and I can't say I'm surprised. I was a fan of SR but I'm not opposed to seeing a reboot done that has the potential to be amazing. Some things are apparent though....

Some posters can't get over STM and I think its ashame because the movie isn't that great IMO. If they are doing a reboot, do a reboot and give us an origin with todays technology to tell his story. Honestly people say they don't want to wait 40 minutes to see him in the suit but if the movie is good you wont be looking at your watch. Things like clark getting to the daily planet and meeting lois for the first time are to good to pass up because "its been done". Thats the best part.

Darkseid should not be in a superman movie, mostly because it will be watered down and frankly he doesn't have a good enough reason to be in a film.

Metallo, parasite and bizarro are not main villains. They can work as henchmen, but seeing them as the main badies is disappointing. You need to choose his three best villains if you want a trilogy.


In terms of story lines and villains i would like to see I have a few ideas to add to the many.

IMO brainiac should be in the first film with ties to krypton explaining its history.

People hate zod but they need to read geoff johns work and i can say peoples opinions of him will be changed. If a sequel is made it should be about the release of the phantom zone prisoners on earth. At the same time they can build up luthor from the first movie as metroplises hero while showing how superman takes that away from him.

If luthor shows up as a main villain it should be in a third film where his true colours would be exposed to the citizens. Having him help superman defeat the phantom zone criminals in the second movie and also attempting to kill superman at the same time would be great. This would provide a great reason for a third film.

[DACrowe]

Yawn.

I feel sorry for Routh and his career because of this, not much else. Another Superman movie is years away and they'll do a reboot and try to make it like TDK. The use of the word "dark" and exploring the "nature of evil" makes it sound like they want to copy the tone of TDK which does not fit a superman movie.

Oh well. I'm expecting a fanboy blacklash on this one as well. ;)

[Hole Shot]

Yawn.

I feel sorry for Routh and his career because of this, not much else. Another Superman movie is years away and they'll do a reboot and try to make it like TDK. The use of the word "dark" and exploring the "nature of evil" makes it sound like they want to copy the tone of TDK which does not fit a superman movie.

Oh well. I'm expecting a fanboy blacklash on this one as well. ;)

I'm thinking, hoping that when they make it dark they mean that there is going to be more at stake and the threat Superman faces is going to graver.

[dark_b]

They need to build up the relationship between Lois & Clark from the foundation ground up . Explore the rivalry of Lois & Clark, The Friendship, and eventually the love relationship in the third film . I'd like to see a mixture of STAS, Lois & Clark tv series (season 1-2) & post crisis comic in the character of Lane & Kent . Their story is an epic Love story that is consider the top super couple in the superhero comic book genre . Let see in the film .at the end of the first movie they should tease that lois is looking after clarks ass. or maybe a 30 second flirt.

[Mentok]

This is SUPERMAN!

http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs22/i/2007/343/e/6/Smallville_the_Movie_by_boocherhix.jpg


Thanks for that. I just threw up in my cornflakes.

[BMM]

Carter Oosterhouse?

http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/8965/supermanpainting1copyemot8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/8965/supermanpainting1copyemot8.ea65e6a457.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=244&i=supermanpainting1copyemot8.jpg)

I'm going to vote no to an HGTV host carrying Warner Bros.' reintroduction of Superman and a potential flagship franchise. Besides, he doesn't look quite so much like Superman when he isn't posed in just the right way as he is in this picture.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

You guys have to remember that WB and DC are working closely together on this new Superman revival film. So one shouldn't worry about "dark" Supes because DC won't allow that.

Also in terms of filmmakers, it's going to be someone whose clearly talented, sees eye-to-eye with the material/approach he's working with and (most importantly) can be easily controlled by WB/DC - directors along the line of Francis Lawerence, D.J. Caruso or David Slade.

The bolded bit re-assures me, but the choice of directors doesnt, I'm not familiar with Caruso, but Francis Lawrence and David Slade have only ever tackled extremely dark material before, and nothing in their resume suggest to me they could make a good Superman movie, and this is from a man who loves Constantine, I Am Legend, Hard Candy and 30 Days Of Night.

Alex Proyas or Johnathan Mostow are still my top choices.

[mclay18]

I'm sorry, but the Evildooer SR manip of Welling and Durance a few pages back just cracked me up.

Still, regarding the reboot, I think the WB should've gotten a pitch or a script in addition to a director proposing the reboot. If they're going to have the reboot done for 2010 or 2011, I feel that they should've announced a director and writers for it already.

[FlawlessVictory]

The bolded bit re-assures me, but the choice of directors doesnt, I'm not familiar with Caruso, but Francis Lawrence and David Slade have only ever tackled extremely dark material before, and nothing in their resume suggest to me they could make a good Superman movie, and this is from a man who loves Constantine, I Am Legend, Hard Candy and 30 Days Of Night.

Alex Proyas or Johnathan Mostow are still my top choices.

FNJ already wrote that those directors aren't ones that WB is necessarily looking at, he is just giving examples of directors. The new director will be like the three mentioned. Something along those lines.

[zanos]

I wonder how Singer will feel about the WB telling him how he should make the next Superman movie and changing everything that he did in the first one.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

FNJ already wrote that those directors aren't ones that WB is necessarily looking at, he is just giving examples of directors. The new director will be like the three mentioned. Something along those lines.

I know, I was more saying about director's like them, who have never given any example in the past of being capable of making a good Superman movie.

I wonder how Singer will feel about the WB telling him how he should make the next Superman movie.

Doesnt matter anymore, looks like Singer is out. BTW awesome Bumblebee avatar!

[AllThingsComic]

Great likeness, I know this guy from the DIY network, he's a cool dude.

[Golgo-13]

Jim Caveziel as supes!:supes:

[Billy Batson]

haha yea I love how people who are in denial about the FACT that SR stunk, and is now done, and buried used that! Like if that's a bad thing!
I mean we want this cast because we like the show! LOL So yea bad choice of words, and besides was it SMALLVILLE the movie when they showed Smallville in SUPERMAN the movie? NO it was SUPERMAN: The Movie, and when the theme hits, and we see him in action folks that's SUPERMAN! Forget any of that Smallville the movie crap.

This is SUPERMAN!

http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs22/i/2007/343/e/6/Smallville_the_Movie_by_boocherhix.jpg




Thanks for that. I just got a WOODY :o

[Billy Batson]

I'm very happy Singerman is DEAD. :bow: "Praise Jesus"
Tom Welling will always be MY SUPERMAN Return :whatever:
Anyhoo Carter Oosterhouse sure has the face.
I'm open-minded towards anyone other than Routh playing Big Blue.
Dude is NOT SUPERMAN. PERIOD!! (SR) WTF was that? Routh was one hell of a Singerman though.

[SatEL]

Thanks for that. I just got a WOODY :o

Welling? or Durance?

[Showtime]

Welling? or Durance?

Heh Heh. :grin:

[Billy Batson]

Welling? or Durance?

Neither
On the thought of Welling's slim chance of becoming :supes:.

[Anubis]

Nah, I think you meant his slim build.

[Billy Batson]

Nah, I think you meant his slim build.

lol, not as slim as Singerman's build :woot:

[Showtime]

This isn't a casting thread ladies and gents...discussing Robinov's comments here.

[Anubis]

I can tell from Robinov's comments that he thinks Tom Welling should play Superman, don't you? :)

[Showtime]

Um...hello? This isn't a casting thread. There is a casting thread for the character of Superman and threads for all of the characters...

[Billy Batson]

Yeah but tell me any thoughts on Jason Lewis look!?


I like him for Green Arrow or Lantern