G.I. Joe: Rise of Cobra - Why it might not suck

[LazloSpeeker]

I was all gung-ho for this movie and pushing for it long before it became official.

When the creative team was announced I wasn't as outraged as some. My first choice would have been for it to be a Tarantino/Stone joint operation but that was probably a bit unrealistic. It's no Uwe Boll so I can't complain much. Sommers and co. aren't the worst choices nor the best. 5/10

The casting pissed off ALOT of G.I. Joe fans and still isn't cool with many. Of the 15 main characters cast, 10 are fully acceptable in my book. The ones I'm not buying yet are Duke/Tatum, Cobra Commander/Levitt, Wayans/Ripcord, Eccleston/Destro, and Taghmaoui/Breaker. Destro and The Commander could both work though if the special effects are done well, which I am sure they will be. Breaker will be acceptable if he doesn't have an accent and provides some decent comic relief like Breaker did in the books and toons. I see little hope for Duke and Ripcord. I mean, Ripcord wasn't black ya know and Wayans in this film scares me to death that it will end up like 'Dungeons & Dragons.' 8/10

The storyline is better than some of the ideas that were floating around. This one was absolutely horrid:
"The script was leaked online by El Mayimbe of Latino Review, who revealed Woods had dropped the Cobra Organization (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobra_Organization) in favor of the Naja / Ryan, a crooked CIA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA) agent. His henchman, Cool Dude, kills Scarlett (who is married to Action Man), and leaves Snake-Eyes mute."
If that had ended up the story I'd have said 0/10. Thankfully it didn't and if what I've heard so far is true - 6/10

Now, I think the costumes are causing the most uproar. Snake Eye's, Baroness, and Storm Shadow seem to be okay. The others are a bit too - Power Rangeresque, of course I didn't like the X-Men costumes either. I'm sure Cobra Commander and Zartan will look good and Destro's mask should be nifty if he actually wears it. But if the G.I. Joes all wear that black body armor for the entire film I will not like this. I mean, where's the camoflauge? Until I see some more pics I have to say - 4/10

So, overall, right now I'd have to say this film is a... 6/10

[deathshead2]

I was all gung-ho for this movie and pushing for it long before it became official.

When the creative team was announced I wasn't as outraged as some. My first choice would have been for it to be a Tarantino/Stone joint operation but that was probably a bit unrealistic. It's no Uwe Boll so I can't complain much. Sommers and co. aren't the worst choices nor the best. 5/10

The casting pissed off ALOT of G.I. Joe fans and still isn't cool with many. Of the 15 main characters cast, 10 are fully acceptable in my book. The ones I'm not buying yet are Duke/Tatum, Cobra Commander/Levitt, Wayans/Ripcord, Eccleston/Destro, and Taghmaoui/Breaker. Destro and The Commander could both work though if the special effects are done well, which I am sure they will be. Breaker will be acceptable if he doesn't have an accent and provides some decent comic relief like Breaker did in the books and toons. I see little hope for Duke and Ripcord. I mean, Ripcord wasn't black ya know and Wayans in this film scares me to death that it will end up like 'Dungeons & Dragons.' 8/10

The storyline is better than some of the ideas that were floating around. This one was absolutely horrid:
"The script was leaked online by El Mayimbe of Latino Review, who revealed Woods had dropped the Cobra Organization (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobra_Organization) in favor of the Naja / Ryan, a crooked CIA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA) agent. His henchman, Cool Dude, kills Scarlett (who is married to Action Man), and leaves Snake-Eyes mute."
If that had ended up the story I'd have said 0/10. Thankfully it didn't and if what I've heard so far is true - 6/10

Now, I think the costumes are causing the most uproar. Snake Eye's, Baroness, and Storm Shadow seem to be okay. The others are a bit too - Power Rangeresque, of course I didn't like the X-Men costumes either. I'm sure Cobra Commander and Zartan will look good and Destro's mask should be nifty if he actually wears it. But if the G.I. Joes all wear that black body armor for the entire film I will not like this. I mean, where's the camoflauge? Until I see some more pics I have to say - 4/10

So, overall, right now I'd have to say this film is a... 6/10
It seems you've never watched an episode of Power rangers in your life. They wear helmets that cover their whole face the joes don't. The Power rangers wear colorful costumes the Joes wear only black.

[TwoOfAKind]

^^ You responded to correct him on Power Rangers :huh:

[deathshead2]

^^ You responded to correct him on Power Rangers :huh:
I like Power rangers, that and it's a terrible comparison.

[LazloSpeeker]

I like Power rangers, that and it's a terrible comparison.

Power Rangers is the gayest f'n kid's show i've ever seen.

[DieSmiling]

I was obsessed with Power Rangers... When I was f'n 7...

[Nivek]

I cant believe they screwed up G.I. Joe, hell, I knew as soon as I seen they had a sculpted face on Snake Eyes that the movie went from possibly okay to the much used "Doomed". How in the hell do you mess this up?

[LazloSpeeker]

I cant believe they screwed up G.I. Joe, hell, I knew as soon as I seen they had a sculpted face on Snake Eyes that the movie went from possibly okay to the much used "Doomed". How in the hell do you mess this up?

I don't think it's doomed, like I said - right now I see it as a 6/10 movie with 'up' as the only place to go.

[deathshead2]

Power Rangers is the gayest f'n kid's show i've ever seen.
And your the gayest person i've read on the internet. High five for you.

[LazloSpeeker]

And your the gayest person i've read on the internet. High five for you.

Really?

WOOHOO!!! LAZLO SPEEKER IS #1, LAZLO SPEEKER IS #1!!!:grin:

[Goodfellas]

And your the gayest person i've read on the internet. High five for you.


Coming from a guy who just admitted he still likes Power Rangers i find that assumption you made very amusing

[TekkamanBlade]

What's with the leather costumes? It's like the x-men movie if not the power rangers.

The reason people don't like the costumes is because they look like a super-hero team and not a military group. In the cartoon they mostly wear military garb and that seems like it would work on screen much better than full, black leather S&M suits.

[zeptron]

Coming from a guy who just admitted he still likes Power Rangers i find that assumption you made very amusing

You're on an internet message board dedicated to superheroes and you wanna judge this guy?

[TripXyDE]

This thread should be called --- "OH YEAH...we REALIZE that this movie is INDEED DOOMED TO BE A FAILURE"

[Raiden]

As a GI JOE fan since the 80's, this movie seems to have more cons than pros. I'm not optimistic that this will turn out to be good (esp. after the revelation of Snakeyes' mask adding a needless mouth). Hopefully it will prove me wrong, but I rather doubt it.

[Lazlo Panaflex]

I'm a big Joe fan of the 80's, I have all the Marvel comics, DVD's but seeing recent pictures doesn't get my hopes up, this movie turns out to be another Street Fighter.

We already had a G.I.Joe movie sort of back in '85 and it was called The Delta Force starring Chuck Norris.

[BlackOpsTengu]

This movie is going to be another (Micheal Bay) Transformers movie. If you DON'T constantly compare it to the cartoon or comic over every fersnicking detail, you're going to have a good time. If a movie has ninjas and the Eiffel tower exploding, it's gonna be fun to watch regardless as to its quality. And newsflash, the cartoon (which most people remember over the comic) wasn't exactly Shakespeare.

I love the comics and the cartoon as much as the next guy (and the hilarious parodies of them), but that G.I. Joe isn't going to be the one we seen on screen.

Just turn off your brain, go with it, and watch the pretty exploding things.

[Ryo Jin]

Power Rangers American is dumb. Now Super Sentai, the original name in Japan, is actually still fun to watch on occasion. Super Sentai, Ultraman, Kamen Rider, they're the superheroes of Japan.

On topic, we pretty much already had a G.I. Joe vs. Cobra-esque movie in '94 called "Street Fighter." That movie was definitely more G.I. Joe than Street Fighter, yet in every bad way imaginable.

[UltimateJustin]

This movie is going to be another (Micheal Bay) Transformers movie. If a movie has ninjas and the Eiffel tower exploding, it's gonna be fun to watch regardless as to its quality. And newsflash, the cartoon (which most people remember over the comic) wasn't exactly Shakespeare.

I wish this was going to be another Transformers. That movie did totally abuse the character designs, but made up for it with comedic laughs and suspenseful action. It also twisted alot of the story around, so it was pretty unfaithful, just like this G.I. Joe movie... and Michael Bay is usually a terrible director but never in his life has he even attempted to be as awful as Van Helsing. Even though the TF looked completely different than their 80's counterparts, they still looked like cool robots. The G.I. Joe in this don't look like cool anything. They actually look like a bunch of loser actors going to play Lazer Quest.

[UltimateJustin]

Power Rangers American is dumb. Now Super Sentai, the original name in Japan, is actually still fun to watch on occasion. Super Sentai, Ultraman, Kamen Rider, they're the superheroes of Japan.

On topic, we pretty much already had a G.I. Joe vs. Cobra-esque movie in '94 called "Street Fighter." That movie was definitely more G.I. Joe than Street Fighter, yet in every bad way imaginable.
We also had a G.I. Joe movie called G.I. Joe: The Movie.

P.S. I was once a man.

[Jake Cassidy]

I wish this was going to be another Transformers. That movie did totally abuse the character designs, but made up for it with comedic laughs and suspenseful action. It also twisted alot of the story around, so it was pretty unfaithful, just like this G.I. Joe movie... and Michael Bay is usually a terrible director but never in his life has he even attempted to be as awful as Van Helsing. Even though the TF looked completely different than their 80's counterparts, they still looked like cool robots. The G.I. Joe in this don't look like cool anything. They actually look like a bunch of loser actors going to play Lazer Quest.

Character designs for Transformers have changed a lot of times over the years, so that shouldn't be a problem. The movie wasn't an adaptation of the G1 cartoon. It was an adaptation of Transformers, in general. G1, the comics, Beast Wars, Armada, etc. all had different continuities and versions of characters. The movie was just another one. G.I. Joe is the same.

I have nothing against Stephen Sommers. Yes, he's not the best, but he's not that horrible, either. I like The Mummy movies (first 1 was awesome, imo), Van Helsing and Deep Rising (guilty pleasures). :yay:

[BlackLantern]

The best thing to come out of this film is the COBRA refrigerator magnet I got at SDCC this summer

[MegaGeek]

I feel sorry for the guy who started this thread. You tried so hard and I respect you opinion, BUT..... HAVE YOU @*@&#ING SEEN THE PICTURE OF MARLON @*#&ING WAYANS?!?!?!?!? THIS MOVIE IS GOING TO BE AN EPIC FAILURE AND TOTAL EMBARASSMENT TO THE GI JOE FRANCHISE! I feel sorry for all the actors that are never going to work in Hollywood again after this piece of !*@% comes out. They should not just fire but KILL their agents

[roach]

What's with the leather costumes? It's like the x-men movie if not the power rangers.

The reason people don't like the costumes is because they look like a super-hero team and not a military group. In the cartoon they mostly wear military garb and that seems like it would work on screen much better than full, black leather S&M suits.

i think you need to go back and look at the cartoon costumes. None of which are being worn by today's military. I'd take the black suits over a native american with full headress and a guy with no shirt, no shoes and parachute pants...but that just me

[roach]

I feel sorry for the guy who started this thread. You tried so hard and I respect you opinion, BUT..... HAVE YOU @*@&#ING SEEN THE PICTURE OF MARLON @*#&ING WAYANS?!?!?!?!? THIS MOVIE IS GOING TO BE AN EPIC FAILURE AND TOTAL EMBARASSMENT TO THE GI JOE FRANCHISE! I feel sorry for all the actors that are never going to work in Hollywood again after this piece of !*@% comes out. They should not just fire but KILL their agents

you know ppl said the same thing months before Transformers

[Mr. Earle]

I think people should understand that taking a kid's show from the 80ies and making it into a movie 25 years later requires some adjustments. OP is crying because they dont wear camo. I think that camo would just make them simple soldiers, but those suits looks very cool. They are supposed to be the elite, so its ok. Lets hope that those acrobatics arent ridiculous...

[PyroChamber]

I can't believe people think this movie will be bad simply because Marlon Wayans is in it. They act like he's Satan or something.

[roach]

Perfect example is Gung-ho. In 80's cartoon land it is a perfect example of manly badassery to run into battle with nothing but a vest on....nowadays you would question someones sexuality if they wore what he wore.

[The Guard]

That armor IS camoflauge. It changes color and patterns.

[GL1]

Nowadays black ops units wear black... to blend in with the night. Now, why this black ops unit is busting through busses in broad daylight... probably because they have supertech and it's their movie.

The Camo, has nothing to do with being faithful, as that wasn't the 'uniform' for the original team, and everything to do with "what I thought it would be like," with a hefty side of outdated character design.

I've yet to hear a real reason why it will suck, honestly. I've heard "disrespectful to the source material" but there's no evidence of that. Only that they aren't 100% filming hte cartoon... which no one expected, and honestly... we've all enjoyed plenty movies (Transformers, Batman Begins, X-Men) that were SO unfaithful to the source material.

[PyroChamber]

Nowadays black ops units wear black... to blend in with the night. Now, why this black ops unit is busting through busses in broad daylight... probably because they have supertech and it's their movie.

The Camo, has nothing to do with being faithful, as that wasn't the 'uniform' for the original team, and everything to do with "what I thought it would be like," with a hefty side of outdated character design.

I've yet to hear a real reason why it will suck, honestly. I've heard "disrespectful to the source material" but there's no evidence of that. Only that they aren't 100% filming hte cartoon... which no one expected, and honestly... we've all enjoyed plenty movies (Transformers, Batman Begins, X-Men) that were SO unfaithful to the source material.Some people just complain for the hell of it.

[roach]

Like I said this is the same things I heard before Transformers came out and 90% of those back pedaled on their opinions. The only way to know if they are true or not is to watch the movie...hell they hired Larry Hama to look over the script.

[Red Mask]

Even if it does suck, Americans will be happy to see the Eiffel Tower collapse.

So 'get up, come on get down with the sickness.
Your mother get up, come get the UwE Bola sickness.'

[TNC9852002]

Some of you guys are finding the dumbest things to worry about,...it's ridiculous.

-TNC

[marcvader]

I'm seeing this movie but i hope they keep the acrobatics to a minimum and leave it to snake eyes and stormshadow to do that crazy ****. I for one don't like the suits as their staple outfit. The thing i liked about the Joe's was how their individual looks were determined by their individual skill sets. Now I know some of their outfits looked rediculous but come on the design department could have done better.

[TheVileOne]

I still really disliked Transformers. I'm not saying this stuff just to be negative. I really care about this material.

The Larry Hama thing means little to me because it comes off like a move so they can look more legit to the fans because oh it's Larry Hama, the creator of GI JOE.

Akira Toriyama was apparently on set for Dragon Ball.

Larry Hama looking over the script . . . OK, so what? It's not like Hama's writing the script.

[Lazlo Panaflex]

I've gotten used to the silly armor in the movie but I can't really judge them until the movies been released, and for those complaining about the lack of camouflage take into account that this movie is based on a popular toyline so of course the studios want as much vibrancy as possible to sell toys.

If a Joe movie were done in the 80's it would've been called The Delta Force.

[TheVileOne]

It probably would've been called GI JOE which would mean GI JOE and not GLOBAL INTEGRATED JOINT OPERATING ENTITY.

[Octoberist]

i really think out of all of the movies out there, GI Joe gets a lot of crap. Yeah, I'm skeptical too, but I'm not going to declare it a failure already. I'm talking a tidal wave of negative opinion was on this board; some of them legit but alot just mindless ranting and moaning. Hey, I'm not a sheep either but there's time when fanboyism does too far.

[The Guard]

I don't mind the reason given for the name, because let's face it, why would anyone call an organization "GI Joe", which basically just means "A slang term for a US armed forces member". It's not exactly a complimentary term. "GI Joe" is similar to "grunt". While there's an element of that to the mythology, that useage is a bit too limiting to what GI JOE is and always has been. I've always though there was irony in the use of the term, because they're all so unique.

[GL1]

Maybe Dennis Quaid's character likes the irony?

[Red Mask]

I've gotten used to the silly armor in the movie but I can't really judge them until the movies been released, and for those complaining about the lack of camouflage take into account that this movie is based on a popular toyline so of course the studios want as much vibrancy as possible to sell toys.

If a Joe movie were done in the 80's it would've been called The Delta Force.

The armor is more like what S.W.A.T. wears in Masamune Shirow's "Appleseed". But their armor is either green, grey, or purple.

[forsakenfilmz]

I'm ok with it so far, It's a origin film, Cobra is just forming. Destro's in charge and he will have a mask from what I read. It's a sigma 6 thing there doing.

[movieFreak31]

ive been a fan since i was a kid. Im actually looking foreward to this movie. It looks like so much fun. I am just hoping in this movie or in others that they bring out other favorite characters like BEACH HEAD, DUSTY, and of course the COBRA TWINS - i just remember one being named Tomax? Serpentor would be pretty boss too! No matter what the expectations - this should be pretty sweet.

[ShadowBoxing]

Like I said this is the same things I heard before Transformers came out and 90% of those back pedaled on their opinions. The only way to know if they are true or not is to watch the movie...hell they hired Larry Hama to look over the script.
Well Transformers fans have been dealing with an ever changing series with almost no common thread outside of "Transforming robots" (and even that's been abandoned in certain concepts...Action Masters for example). Also, arguably, Transformers started out a very crappy show and was fine tuned because it changed and was so fluid. G.I.Joe is ever changing, yet for the version they are going with the changes are linked by some commonalities in costume, storyline and role(s). Though, you're right, movies can be good without any source material adherence. Though for me, this movie is a complete fail. The TV spot alone proves this movie is nothing but a generic action film with superbly corny villains, and unlike Transformers it doesn't offer anything new to add to the holy sh** factor. Moreover, while I realize G.I.Joe is a somewhat silly concept, the movie attempts to hide it behind very half-baked attempts at realism. Black leather, PC international friendly team of heroes, indistinguishable from any other team of heroes we've seen before. I think the problems with the movie almost start and end with the removal of "America" from the film. It's suppose to be blatantly patriotic, America f*** yeah propaganda and this too chickensh** to actually go full force with the concept.

[GL1]

Heh. Knocking down the Eiffel tower and working from the Pentagon aren't enough America-centrism for ya? How much more America can they slam into a 30-sec TV Spot... dont ya think they should take some time to, y'know, foreshadow the plot?

A TV Spot cannot prove the entire contents of a movie, SB... you're, to put it lightly, overreacting. It's cool, I do it sometimes too, but bottom line: you're drawing conclusions you don't have the lines of logic to support.

[ShadowBoxing]

Heh. Knocking down the Eiffel tower
Which is in France, and in America we wouldn't give a sh**...bout damn time:cwink:
and working from the Pentagon aren't enough America-centrism for ya? How much more America can they slam into a 30-sec TV Spot... dont ya think they should take some time to, y'know, foreshadow the plot?
It's not the TV spot I'm complaining about here, it's the whole shabang. I hope you realize some of us have, ya'know, read the script spoilers, kept up with the developments, looked at the cast. Ya'know, cause this is a message board. And yes, the TV spot was generic.
A TV Spot cannot prove the entire contents of a movie, SB... you're, to put it lightly, overreacting. It's cool, I do it sometimes too, but bottom line: you're drawing conclusions you don't have the lines of logic to support.
The script clearly has indicated these are not a US centric team, but rather a United Nations backed team of international operatives working out of Brussels. The director has even said the movie is a tribute to Thunderball, and is inspired from James Bond. Yeah, really American. Hell, Channing Tatum even signed on because they made the film about special operations working for the world rather than a US based military team (which is originally why he turned it down). So, long story short, they neutered the concept. This movie could've stood out, now it doesn't, and judging by the TV spot it offers nothing the typical popcorn fair this summer doesn't already offer. You're telling me after Watchmen, Wolverine: Origins, Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen, Star Trek and Terminator Salvation anyone will want to see this? Too bad Dragonball already got the razzie market cornered. This is nothing but a forgetable action film that didn't have to be forgetable.

[The Guard]

Did someone just ask if there will be anyone who will want to see a blockbuster GI JOE movie?

[ShadowBoxing]

Did someone just ask if there will be anyone who will want to see a blockbuster GI JOE movie?
Sure they would, if it didn't look like a generic poor man's Bourne Ultimatum.

"Hey let's go see the movie about the black leather swat team fighting the terrorist dude in a suit"
"Which one?":huh:

[The Guard]

Did someone just indicate that, regardless of quality, people would not want to see a GI JOE movie?

[jimbo 007]

As a G.I. Joe fan I hope the movie turns out good and the super bowl did look kinda promising. I think it will turn out somewhat like Transformers; the general audience will like it but the "hardcore" joe fans probably won't.

Now I'm not taking a jab at hardcore Joe fans so please; don't get offended. I'm just saying that anyone I've ever talked to loved Transformers; whether they were hardcore fans that grew up with the show or not. After reading posts on this site though; I feel that I'm part of a very small group that thought Transformers was really good.

I saw evidence of my theory for G.I. Joe's possible success when I saw the trailer while watching the super bowl with some of my family. My uncle who isn't really familiar with G.I. Joe thought the trailer looked awesome and couldn't wait until it came out. My younger cousin felt the same way. Now my uncle grew up with the 12 in Joe's with the "kung-fu grip" not Snake-Eyes and Cobra. My cousin is in 3rd grade so he wasn't around when Joe was at it's most popular time.

[Golgo-13]

As a G.I. Joe fan I hope the movie turns out good and the super bowl did look kinda promising. I think it will turn out somewhat like Transformers; the general audience will like it but the "hardcore" joe fans probably won't.

Did someone just indicate that, regardless of quality, people would not want to see a GI JOE movie?

GI Joe was never as popular as Transformers. NEVER. In fact, i may be as bold to go on and say, that it was Transformers that put Hasbro on the map as a successful toy company and due to TF's selling success, it helped along Hasbro's other properties like 'My Little Pony, G.I Joe and Visonaries' to become more popular than they would have been.

But that was years ago.

What TF has over Joe is that since the 80's, it has continued in various other incarnation ie animated series, toys, comics etc.....Joe has not. I don't think you can compare the two.

[ShadowBoxing]

Did someone just indicate that, regardless of quality, people would not want to see a GI JOE movie?
G.I.Joe is not that recognizable, especially as a work of fiction, which the movie is suppose to be representing. Sure, general audiences will remember it as part of the eighties, but it's popularity was severely eclipsed by Transformers and Ninja Turtles. Whereas both those franchises have had successful shows carry their toylines and mythos consistently for 25 years, G.I.Joe has not. It has, in fact, limped along with the help of Transformers, since the two universes are interlinked. Despite the fact that the comics have a cult following, it's much further back in the public conscious than you're giving it credit for.

[TheVileOne]

Did the hardcore Transformers fans hate the movie that much? I don't think they did.

Transformers was at least able to stay pretty consistently popular and in the public conscious since the Beast Wars revamp in the 1990's. And that lasted for several years. Then they picked up even more steam again with the movie.

[The Guard]

GI Joe was never as popular as Transformers. NEVER.

I don't recall saying that GI JOE was as popular as Transformers.

"Limping along with TRANSFORMERS" in the public consciousness is irrelevant, because the fact is...GI JOE, for whatever reason, IS in the public consciousness. It's a war adventure film with elements of a disaster flick. It's likely going to be pretty big.

[hockeyboy89]

GI Joe was never as popular as Transformers. NEVER. In fact, i may be as bold to go on and say, that it was Transformers that put Hasbro on the map as a successful toy company and due to TF's selling success, it helped along Hasbro's other properties like 'My Little Pony, G.I Joe and Visonaries' to become more popular than they would have been.

But that was years ago.

What TF has over Joe is that since the 80's, it has continued in various other incarnation ie animated series, toys, comics etc.....Joe has not. I don't think you can compare the two.

Actually, GI Joe in it's current form (early 80's) was extremely popular as much so as Transformers. TF had a leg up because they were also a Japanese property and associated along with all things Mecha at the time, hence how we got Jet Fire.

[ShadowBoxing]

I don't recall saying that GI JOE was as popular as Transformers.

"Limping along with TRANSFORMERS" in the public consciousness is irrelevant, because the fact is...GI JOE, for whatever reason, IS in the public consciousness. It's a war adventure film with elements of a disaster flick. It's likely going to be pretty big.
As a toy I'd say G.I.Joe is a noteable property, but not as a fiction, unlike Transformers. So I doubt without a good film to carry it, it will do very well. Transformers kind of has a pre-built in audience with it's already over the top special effects.
Actually, GI Joe in it's current form (early 80's) was extremely popular as much so as Transformers. TF had a leg up because they were also a Japanese property and associated along with all things Mecha at the time, hence how we got Jet Fire.
Fah! In your dreams. First of all Transformers was NOT associated with all things Mecha, in fact Transformers is completely NOT Mecha; Mecha has pilots, Transformers do not. Second of all, Transformers is a United States toyline, not a Japanese toyline. The precusors, Diaclone et.all, began in Japan, but it was comic scribes Bob Budinsky and Denny O'Neil who actually created what we now know as Transformers.

Thirdly Jetfire came from Macross, which was a TV show in it's own right.

G.I.Joe was never as big, and most certainly isn't as big now. G.I.Joe has a comic and a toyline, Transformers has a comic, cartoon, live action movie series and about three or four major toylines. Huge difference.

[marcvader]

Back in the early 80's, when I grew up, Transformers and GI Joe were even in popularity both with the toons and toys. But Transformers definately displayed the staying power as giant robots proved to be more interesting than the macho military Joe's in the long run.

[JRPJCDJC]

I was a G.I. Joe fan as a kid and I saw the Super Bowl add and have looked at some pics online. I don't like the uniforms. I understand that this is a movie and supposed to be more realistic than the cartoon but these things are goofy looking.

It is the same thing they did with X-Men though. Any unit that incorporates people from all walks of life needs uniforms for morale and - uniformity. The problem with the uniforms being used is that... usually body armor is INSIDE the fabric.

There are exceptions though:
http://www.locustfork.net/blog/dc_riot-police1.jpg

To be honest though, I'd have preferred more camoflauge or at least some Army green and Navy blue. Something more standard:
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/mattycakes02/riot_police.jpg

[marcvader]

Well the thing I liked about the Joe's was their individual look. There was no uniformity. You can tell they were all on the same team but each person had their skillset and appropriate equipment and outfit.

[roach]

However this is a military unit and people in military units generally wear the same outfit

[marcvader]

Really? You don't say. Well ****, someone should have told the creators of GI Joe. Surely they missed that memo. You and the people making this movie are definately missing the point of GI Joe. The Joe's shouldn't be some generic homogenized military unit like they're doing in this film. That wasn't what they were back in the toons, toys, and comics. I understand there are some rediculous characters you can't translate in live action. This doesn't have to be the Village People versus Cobra, but come on show a little just a little loyalty to the source material.

[lars573]

This doesn't have to be the Village People versus Cobra, but come on show a little just a little loyalty to the source material.
Which was the villiage people vs. Cobra.

[KenK]

Which was the villiage people vs. Cobra.

It really was. I mean you had one dude who wore nothing but army pants and a denim jacket, with the sleeves ripped off, some dudes actually wore freakin' sports jerseys!!! The helicopter pilot dressed like a damn cowboy!!

[marcvader]

Which was the villiage people vs. Cobra.
Exactly. Not asking for that. No need for an American Indian wearing traditional headress or a sailor with a parrot on his shoulder or a medic with a bright red jumpsuit. Just show the fact that they were a unit of specialists and therefor are each equipped with there own gear. This movie is based on a kids cartoon and toys after all.

[lars573]

Well you have to remember real CT special forces either wear something that looks like police riot gear, or the skins from Counter strike (all based on the real thing). Or they wear street cloths. And even if they had "their own gear" they'd all either be dressed in black/dark navy for night or urban operations, brown for desert, green for forrest/jungle, white for winter. The only real difference would be the cammo pattern on the fatigues (US, former Soviet, and europe all use a different pattern). Which a camera wouldn't really pic up on, even on HD. NATO standards=all look the same.

[marcvader]

Everything you just stated is 100% correct. But this movie is not based on a team of NATO, American, or European special forces, it's GI Joe.

[marcvader]

Everything you just stated is 100% correct. But this movie is not based on a team of NATO, American, or European special forces, it's GI Joe.

[lars573]

Well technically speaking it would be NATO. Mostly.

[Peyton Westlake]

you know ppl said the same thing months before Transformers

I concur. Most trashed the Transformers & it was a box office smash, lets just take a wait & see approach.

[Johnny Israel]

After reading the script reviews of this movie, I'd say it sounds fairly bad. But, if its fun action, maybe I'll give it a chance.

The only comment of value I have to give is...Roach I like your avy, makes me wish I hadn't gotten rid of my Guild Of Calamitous Intent avy.

[roach]

Thanks

[cosmicherosa]

On par with Van Helsing, I reckon. Mmmhmm. Mustard.

[Peyton Westlake]

I think ,if the characters were dressed like the toys, it would make them a tad silly looking & hard to take serious.