Discussion: Gay Rights II

[The Senator]

but it feeels soo geeewwwwd

You need to turn to God, CaptainClown, so he can rid you of your heterosexual perversions. It may feel good... but your perversions are a sin. :dry:

[Hunter Rider]

Penises and vaginas don't mix. They're so... different... it's like wearing a black necktie with a pink, fuzzy pantsuit...

You support colour coordinated humping ? :woot:

[CaptainClown]

yea...but then if it's too good and you leave, she burns your stuff...what is it with women and wanting to set fire to things??I can never understand women. Them and their unspoken language.

You need to turn to God, CaptainClown, so he can rid you of your heterosexual perversions. It may feel good... but your perversions are a sin. :dry:
I like to think of my sexual acts as a prayer to god, celebrating the human body. Nothing wrong with that :grin:

[spideyboy_1111]

Oh ya we have, hell we elected an African-American president. I give everything another generation where they will be much more accepting.

well... as a nation, we're a baby. and we finally just took our first big step in many decades of baby ones. Were still way behind culturally then other countries like the countries i've mentioned, plus France, England, Australia, etc... quite honestly, the only countries we seem to be "ahead" of in this day in age are of 3rd world and communist ones.

[Schlosser85]

kedrell,

A few setbacks here and there does not change the fact that gay marriage will eventually be legalized everywhere. Time is on our side, not yours.

Get used to it.

[Marx]

GAY ACTIVISTS JARRED BY CALIFORNIA MARRIAGE DEFEAT
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081106/ap_on_el_ge/gay_marriage

[hippie_hunter]

Homosexuality is no more perverse than heterosexuality. And actually, I'd beg to say heterosexuality is pretty perverse. Penises and vaginas don't mix, really. :o

This has to be one of the best uses of logic I have ever seen.

[danoyse]

kedrell,

A few setbacks here and there does not change the fact that gay marriage will eventually be legalized everywhere. Time is on our side, not yours.

Get used to it.

I think what happened last night only showed that barriers aren't forever.

Things are going to ultimately change for the good with this one, I think sooner rather than later.

[CaptainClown]

I think what happened last night only showed that barriers aren't forever.

Things are going to ultimately change for the good with this one, I think sooner rather than later.
oh ya definitly, I give it one more decade.

[Marx]

I think what happened last night only showed that barriers aren't forever.

Things are going to ultimately change for the good with this one, I think sooner rather than later.

Exactly Dan.

[The Senator]

You support colour coordinated humping ? :woot:

As long as both parties involved are the color of men, yes. :o

[Marx]

LOS ANGELES STOPS ISSUING MARRIAGE LICENSES TO GAY COUPLES
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/05/state.laws/index.html





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[Schlosser85]

Sickening. Un-American. This has crap to do with "values" or religion, and everything to do with ignorance and cowardly fear.

We shall overcome.

[Franklin Richards]

Remember. Remember the fifth of November.



:doom: :doom: :doom:

[spideyboy_1111]

just got back from protesting in west hollywood :D it was sooooo amazing, were going after the mormon church in the morning :D. waiting for news to pop up online to show you footage

[CaptainClown]

just got back from protesting in west hollywood :D it was sooooo amazing, were going after the mormon church in the morning :D. waiting for news to pop up online to show you footage
awesome, glad to hear it man. Is the general feeling anger at the protest?

[Octoberist]

wow...look at that protest in Hollywood!

[Octoberist]

i wouldn't be surprise to see this movement grow. I mean, I don't see why it shouldn't. Perhaps, there will be a modern day Harvey Milk..or a gay version Martin Luther King Jr.

[spideyboy_1111]

it keeps growing... it makes me wish i didnt have to go... i wanna skip class and go to the mormon church protest.. that has grade A amazing written all over it. This is history in the making people!!!

[Octoberist]

there will be a movie about this. in due time.

[spideyboy_1111]

HOLY **** there headed to the mormon temple now, i wanna get back out and join!

[Octoberist]

haha. go man, and update us on the happenings.

[CaptainClown]

ya man go protest!

[Octoberist]

is there a live feed of this?

[spideyboy_1111]

KTLA was dedicating most of the evening to it, NBC keeps cutting back and forth... i wanna go but i dont wanna go alone :(, im trying to get a friend to go

[Octoberist]

i live in orange county. i would think that it would be fun. haha

[spideyboy_1111]

he's like, i have work 2morrow... gah well i have school and i think my teacher would be happy i skipped it to protest

[Oddzball]

The prop 8 people worked scare tactics like crazy. A lesbian teacher marries her lover. Several of her students are invited.

They turn this into a class field trip under school control.

The fault lays as much however with the lame ass opposing ads.

"Prop 8 is about discrimination!"

As if the word 'discrimination' had some magical power to make people think rationally... idjits!

[Octoberist]

i don't know. it could be an all night thing too.

[spideyboy_1111]

i don't know. it could be an all night thing too.

yeah i dont know whats happening... i wanna join in, but some news said it was breaking up... but i dunno. u should come up and fight

[spideyboy_1111]

The prop 8 people worked scare tactics like crazy. A lesbian teacher marries her lover. Several of her students are invited.

They turn this into a class field trip under school control.

The fault lays as much however with the lame ass opposing ads.

"Prop 8 is about discrimination!"

As if the word 'discrimination' had some magical power to make people think rationally... idjits!

yeah there actually getting sued like crazy for that too

[Octoberist]

expect more rallies and protest in the near future. it will become a nation wide thing. This may be the beginning of a BIG THING. and god bless them.

[#1Batmanfan]

yeah there actually getting sued like crazy for that too

yeah what about all the people spray painting yes signs and stealing them. Scare tactics can be said for both sides.

[spideyboy_1111]

yeah what about all the people spray painting yes signs and stealing them. Scare tactics can be said for both sides.

haha dude seriously? spray painting yes signs and stealing them? how the hell is that a "scare tactic" :o especially compared to all the ******** and lies the yes campaign told?

[Oddzball]

yeah there actually getting sued like crazy for that too

Oh I should expect so. If a Gay couple has their marriage legislated out of existence, who splits what was until then community property?

That's financial hurt, which is solid grounds for legal action right there.

[spideyboy_1111]

expect more rallies and protest in the near future. it will become a nation wide thing. This may be the beginning of a BIG THING. and god bless them.

god bless us all :)

heres my facebook link, with pics
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?ref=logo#/profile.php?id=60708042&ref=profile

[Octoberist]

honestly, the people for Prop 8, were friggin' aggressive. And ignorant. I'm not saying all of them, but the ones that I've seen on TV..crap. More so than the people against it.

[The Senator]

The Mormon church has never made me more disgusted for the vitriolic, hurtful, and downright FALSE ads they aired during this whole fiasco... my favorite (sarcasm) was the man-man/ man-child/ mother-son/ man-group/ man-dog ad...

I should probably stop posting before I let my true feelings about the Mormon church resonate...

[spideyboy_1111]

Oh I should expect so. If a Gay couple has their marriage legislated out of existence, who splits what was until then community property?

That's financial hurt, which is solid grounds for legal action right there.

well the prop 8 campaign is being sued due to the fact they flat out skewed the "children at a gay wedding" story completely out of proportion.

It was NOT school sanctioned, it was a private school, the students and parents were VERY close with the teacher... and only 2 parents complained, and the kids did not go. the parents who allowed there kids to go are all suing the yes campaign.

[Octoberist]

wait? just the mormons? isn't it most organize traditional religions?

[spideyboy_1111]

The Mormon church has never made me more disgusted for the vitriolic, hurtful, and downright FALSE ads they aired during this whole fiasco... my favorite (sarcasm) was the man-man/ man-child/ mother-son/ man-group/ man-dog ad...

I should probably stop posting before I let my true feelings about the Mormon church resonate...

the mormon church is monstrous, and borderline cult... and imo has no use of being in the united states. :o

[spideyboy_1111]

wait? just the mormons? isn't it most organize traditional religions?

the mormons donated an insane amount of money to prop 8 and were the leading campaigners for it.

[The Senator]

wait? just the mormons? isn't it most organize traditional religions?

The Mormons dumped the most money into the YES campaign out of any organization, religious or not...

[Octoberist]

really? wow...no wonder.

[spideyboy_1111]

I f'n can't stand mormons, there whole religion is ridiculous.

[Octoberist]

well, i wouldn't go that far. I mean, who doesn't like The Osmonds, Aaron Eckhart, or Jared Hess?

[#1Batmanfan]

the mormon church is monstrous, and borderline cult... and imo has no use of being in the united states. :o

That's funny you talk about equality but you bash Mormonism and say that it has no use in the US. So in a way you are like the yes campaign for prop 8

[spideyboy_1111]

footage of a protester getting beaten by cops tonight

http://www.ktla.com/topstories

[spideyboy_1111]

well, i wouldn't go that far. I mean, who doesn't like The Osmonds, Aaron Eckhart, or Jared Hess?

do they currently still practice Mormonism?

[The Senator]

the mormon church is monstrous, and borderline cult... and imo has no use of being in the united states. :o

You would think that a church known to have once endorsed polygamy as a central part of its faith wouldn't have the gall to question ANY sort of sexually deviant behavior. And the fact that they included polygamy in their "slippery-slope" ad is so incredibly absurd, I don't know whether to laugh or cry at it.

This whole fiasco has pissed me off to no avail. The Mormon Church has a history of being one of the most bigoted, backwards organizations to ever exist in this country. It was the last national religious organization to allow African Americans to join its congregations. It converts dead people not connected to the church to the Mormon faith (over a thousand Jews who were killed during the Holocaust were randomly converted to Mormonism several years ago). Then you have the various LDS sects which still engage in polygamous behavior and pedophilia in the Southwest.

And let's not get into the atrocities committed by Brigham Young and Joseph Smith.

Seriously... the fact that anyone swallowed the piles of crap these idiots spewed in California has made me lose hope that this nation will one day see beyond organized ignorance...

[Octoberist]

i saw that. it was only one incident, luckily. Being a LA cop sucks because you're not as well liked as New York Cops..lol.

[Octoberist]

do they currently still practice Mormonism?

Jared Hess (the director of Napoleon Dynamite) and Eckhart..I don't know. The Osmonds..I think so.

Also, the Aqua Bats are mostly Mormon. And they produce one of the best kid shows on TV: Yo Gabba Gabba.

[redfirebird2008]

The Mormons are a cult. Joseph Smith was full of crap and was a blasphemer in my opinion.

[spideyboy_1111]

more footage
http://www.myfoxla.com/myfox/

[Octoberist]

It's one of those religions that got mainstream, despite of their beliefs. I won't judge them, because I had some Mormon friends back in high school. Were they weird? Yeah, because they are sheltered.

[The Senator]

That's funny you talk about equality but you bash Mormonism and say that it has no use in the US. So in a way you are like the yes campaign for prop 8

Um, Mormonism is an absolutely false religion invented by some crackpot who desired nothing but eternal fame. I used to live where Joseph Smith found his magical tablets; no religious deity would have ever set foot in Upstate New York, let alone left the fate of mankind hidden in its vacant wilderness.

I don't see how it is any different from Scientology, which people can apparently bash all they want to here and everywhere else.

[spideyboy_1111]

You would think that a church known to have once endorsed polygamy as a central part of its faith wouldn't have the gall to question ANY sort of sexually deviant behavior. And the fact that they included polygamy in their "slippery-slope" ad is so incredibly absurd, I don't know whether to laugh or cry at it.

This whole fiasco has pissed me off to no avail. The Mormon Church has a history of being one of the most bigoted, backwards organizations to ever exist in this country. It was the last national religious organization to allow African Americans to join its congregations. It converts dead people not connected to the church to the Mormon faith (over a thousand Jews who were killed during the Holocaust were randomly converted to Mormonism several years ago). Then you have the various LDS sects which still engage in polygamous behavior and pedophilia in the Southwest.

And let's not get into the atrocities committed by Brigham Young and Joseph Smith.

Seriously... the fact that anyone swallowed the piles of crap these idiots spewed in California has made me lose hope that this nation will one day see beyond organized ignorance...

exactly... i can not even begin to tell you my hatred for there bigotry.

[spideyboy_1111]

Jared Hess (the director of Napoleon Dynamite) and Eckhart..I don't know. The Osmonds..I think so.

Also, the Aqua Bats are mostly Mormon. And they produce one of the best kid shows on TV: Yo Gabba Gabba.

sorry, but if there strict mormons or still strongly believe in there beliefs i find it hard to have respect for them.

[spideyboy_1111]

Um, Mormonism is an absolutely false religion invented by some crackpot who desired nothing but eternal fame. I used to live where Joseph Smith found his magical tablets; no religious deity would have ever set foot in Upstate New York, let alone left the fate of mankind hidden in its vacant wilderness.

I don't see how it is any different from Scientology, which people can apparently bash all they want to here and everywhere else.

agrees.... its so incredibly ridiculous.

[Octoberist]

sorry, but if there strict mormons or still strongly believe in there beliefs i find it hard to have respect for them.j

I don't think that they're strict. I know that Aaron was raised as a Mormon, but I don't think he's practicing it still.

I've got a friend who personally knows the Aqua Bats, and they're not bad. They just don't drink.

The Osmonds...I think they're strict but I could be wrong.

Jared Hess, I think he's laid back.

[spideyboy_1111]

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/around_town/real_estate/Prop_8_Insanity__Too__Because_a_bad_proposition_ne ver_dies_____LA.html

Because a bad proposition never dies, tonight protesters will take over West Hollywood, chanting and walking and stomping (and maybe sashaying), in protest of the passage of Prop 8, which banned gay marriage. "San Vicente Blvd, between Santa Monica Blvd and Melrose Avenue will be closed tonight starting at 6 pm. San Vicente south-bound traffic will be directed to make left or right at Santa Monica Blvd. Signs have already been posted to help divert traffic." [Curbed Inbox/Yelp] Update: Here's the headline of a press release just released by the Mayor's office: MAYOR VILLARAIGOSA ASKS CITY ATTORNEY TO CHALLENGE PROPOSITION 8. Excerpt from release: "In June 2008, the City of Los Angeles officially took a legislative position to oppose Proposition 8 (CF 08-0002-S88). We must take immediate action to protect Los Angeles residents whose lives and freedoms are threatened by consequences from the possible implementation of Proposition 8. I therefore request that the City Attorney evaluate the City’s legal options regarding challenging the validity of Proposition 8. I also request that the City Attorney undertake the necessary preparations to file a legal challenge to Proposition 8 should the measure officially pass."

For more stories from Curbed LA, go to la.curbed.com.

[spideyboy_1111]

j

I don't think that they're strict. I know that Aaron was raised as a Mormon, but I don't think he's practicing it still.

I've got a friend who personally knows the Aqua Bats, and they're not bad. They just don't drink.

The Osmonds...I think they're strict but I could be wrong.

Jared Hess, I think he's laid back.

hey, all im saying is if there like "true" mormons.. there not worth ones time... if there very watered down mormons then awesome, as long as they respect gay rights :up:

[Octoberist]

The LA District Attorney will have have a big battle ahead of him if he (and his team) chooses to fight it.

[spideyboy_1111]

There's alot of people fighting it... anything that challenges the fundamental rights of people will be battled through hell and back until victorious.

[#1Batmanfan]

agrees.... its so incredibly ridiculous.

You know whats ridiculous is what a hypocrite you are. You ask for equality so that you may marry whoever you want, but you contradict your self by bashing and calling Mormonism ridiculous.

[Octoberist]

that means a protest in Sacramento eventually. A big one.

[spideyboy_1111]

You know whats ridiculous is what a hypocrite you are. You ask for equality so that you may marry whoever you want, but you contradict your self by bashing and calling Mormonism ridiculous.

I'll bash anyone who practices HATE. I don't hate mormons, i may hate there beliefs, but i do not hate them, and would never want there rights to be taken away. Are they bigoted douche bags? yes... but i truly believe people are allowed to do what they want as long as they don't effect others, and it's ridiculous to think gay marriage affects anyone but the couple.

[spideyboy_1111]

that means a protest in Sacramento eventually. A big one.

thats probably a given

[spideyboy_1111]

http://cbs2.com/local/prop.8.protest.2.857600.html

Hundreds Protest Passage Of Prop. 8 In WeHo
WEST HOLLYWOOD, Calif. (AP) ― More than 1,000 people who turned up for a rally against the California's newly approved same-sex marriage ban took to the streets of Los Angeles and West Hollywood and blocked traffic.

Los Angeles police officer Jason Lee says "the overall indication is that the demonstrators and marchers are peaceful" in the Wednesday night protest against Proposition 8, but says at least four people have been detained.

Television cameras showed one protester jumping on top of a police car at the intersection of Hollywood and Highland.

He was quickly wrestled to the ground by police and handcuffed.

The rally broke into several separate groups as midnight approached hours after the marching began, and protesters were still walking amid traffic on Santa Monica and San Vicente Boulevards in West Hollywood.

(© 2008 CBS Broadcasting Inc. All Rights Reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. The Associated Press contributed to this report.)

[Octoberist]

luckily, it was only one guy

[spideyboy_1111]

tech 2... one on a police car, and one getting beaten...

this could easily get extremely aggressive within the next few days. and part of me hopes it does... sometimes aggression needs to happen in order for people to see the error of there ways.

the protesting tomorrow should be very interesting.

[Octoberist]

it's the counter culture coming back in full swing!

[Octoberist]

do you know at what time though?

[spideyboy_1111]

do you know at what time though?

well the speaker just said "morning" so that could be anytime... but one of my friends told me 2pm... so i dont know, i emailed the Yes campaign tonight to ask them, and am trying to find out, no response yet though.

[Octoberist]

is there a website specifically made for this?

[spideyboy_1111]

http://www.noonprop8.com/events

[Octoberist]

thanks! eventually, and obviously, it will reach DC. And of course, the PRO 8 supports will be in the way. I hope it doesn't get too violent, but as you said, the message will be heard.

[spideyboy_1111]

it better be... i want us to get angry.. we need to be angry and unite across the nation and not stand for this anymore

[spideyboy_1111]

http://www.petitiononline.com/seg5130/petition.html sign it

[Schlosser85]

People have no right to tell us we can't get married. It's unConstitutional and un-American. We've been putting up with being treated as legal second-class citizens for centuries, exactly how long do they expect us to put up with it?

[The Lizard]

Um, Mormonism is an absolutely false religion invented by some crackpot who desired nothing but eternal fame. I used to live where Joseph Smith found his magical tablets; no religious deity would have ever set foot in Upstate New York, let alone left the fate of mankind hidden in its vacant wilderness.

I don't see how it is any different from Scientology, which people can apparently bash all they want to here and everywhere else.

Haha -- Wilhelm, is that you in disguise?

Here's the thing about Mormons. Yes, they believe in some weird stuff, their church was originally founded by a shady character and they are painfully conservative (for the most part, not all).

But - the LDS church today is not like the Church of Scientology. Mormons recruit of course, but it doesn't cost anything to find out about what Mormons believe or to go to their church. The Church of Scientology pretends to be "scientific" to lure those who aren't religious, while simultaneously playing up the religion angle to get tax breaks and appeal to the spiritual recruits. Plus, the Church of Scientology actively persecutes ex-members and hires private investigators to harass its critics. Mormons don't do that (nor do Jehovah's Witnesses, Seventh-Day Adventists or the other non-mainstream Christian sects).

I realize that the pro-gay marriage crowd is really mad at the Mormons right now for being so vigorous in their support of Prop 8, but try to keep it in perspective. The Mormons for the most part are just another conservative Christian group, and they predictably behaved like one. It was unfortunate that they went that route, because normally the LDS church is pretty laid back during election years and just tells members to "vote their conscience".

Since Mormons believe that it's better to get married in a Mormon temple anyway, I don't see why they made such a big deal about what goes on in the world of "earthly marriages". The bad PR is going to hurt them.

[Bathead]

One of the main arguments I hear all the time from anti-gay marriage people is that somehow allowing it will destroy the institution of marriage. I can't help but think, If all the nasty and vile things that married men and women have done to each other on a regular basis over the centuries hasn't killed it off, I don't see how allowing gays the same rights will put a dent in it.
It's just another example of religious zealots trying to force their beliefs on everyone else.

[BlackLantern]

I was thinking last night...maybe it will take some serious act of violence or tragedy to really force this issue...I know it's a horrible thought, but maybe that's what it will take

[Ion Kenshin]

Alot of the times thats what had to happened before any form of change was made.

[Marx]

I was thinking last night...maybe it will take some serious act of violence or tragedy to really force this issue...I know it's a horrible thought, but maybe that's what it will take

People thought that the death of Matthew Shepherd would create some changes as well...that didn't exactly happen.

[BlackLantern]

People thought that the death of Matthew Shepherd would create some changes as well...that didn't exactly happen.

When I first heard about that, I was in the service at the time, on deployment, and really only heard the basics...when I got home and actually read into what happened...it is one of the few times where I became enraged at something I was reading....gay or not...no one deserves what happened to him...no one deserves to die cold and alone just for being different

[The Senator]

You know whats ridiculous is what a hypocrite you are. You ask for equality so that you may marry whoever you want, but you contradict your self by bashing and calling Mormonism ridiculous.

The difference is, though, no one is calling on making the practice of Mormonism illegal...

[Ion Kenshin]

The difference is, though, no one is calling on making the practice of Mormonism illegal...
i still dont believe it is just cause to call someone's religion ridiculous no matter what it may be. a persons belief are not ridiculous if it gets them through their live. this of course does not mean that some of the things they stand for are morally correct but thats another issue altogether

[The Senator]

i still dont believe it is just cause to call someone's religion ridiculous no matter what it may be. a persons belief are not ridiculous if it gets them through their live. this of course does not mean that some of the things they stand for are morally correct but thats another issue altogether

I don't have a problem with someone's personal beliefs on homosexuality as long as those beliefs are not based in hate. That principle applies to religious beliefs. I don't hate any religion; I think all organized religion is ridiculous and deserves to be criticized. Mormonism is just another thread on a slowly unraveling sweater of nonsense which this country wears proudly.

In other words, I tolerate Mormons... that doesn't mean I have to accept them...

[Marx]

I don't have a problem with someone's personal beliefs on homosexuality as long as those beliefs are not based in hate. That principle applies to religious beliefs. I don't hate any religion; I think all organized religion is ridiculous and deserves to be criticized. Mormonism is just another thread on a slowly unraveling sweater of nonsense which this country wears proudly.

In other words, I tolerate Mormons... that doesn't mean I have to accept them...

Do you 'tolerate them with all yer heart' Jman? :cwink:

[Anita18]

One of the main arguments I hear all the time from anti-gay marriage people is that somehow allowing it will destroy the institution of marriage.
See, what I want to know is, what "institution" of marriage? I didn't know there was a system to marriage at all! I thought it was just about two consenting adults vowing to support each other in life, not that one had to be the breadwinner and one had to stay home and take care of the children or that there were things you were supposed to do once you got married.

[BlackLantern]

I don't have a problem with someone's personal beliefs on homosexuality as long as those beliefs are not based in hate. That principle applies to religious beliefs. I don't hate any religion; I think all organized religion is ridiculous and deserves to be criticized. Mormonism is just another thread on a slowly unraveling sweater of nonsense which this country wears proudly.

In other words, I tolerate Mormons... that doesn't mean I have to accept them...

and a lot of people feel that way about the LGBT community....in the eyes of some, there aren't enough of you to make any serious noise so they will tolerate you....

[The Senator]

I'm not asking for everyone to accept us. I'm asking the government to stop legislating our lives.

[Ion Kenshin]

I don't have a problem with someone's personal beliefs on homosexuality as long as those beliefs are not based in hate. That principle applies to religious beliefs. I don't hate any religion; I think all organized religion is ridiculous and deserves to be criticized. Mormonism is just another thread on a slowly unraveling sweater of nonsense which this country wears proudly.

In other words, I tolerate Mormons... that doesn't mean I have to accept them...
the same thing is said about gay people. its makes it sound like people are a minor inconvenience that we just need to put up with. we and any other race culture religion etc should not be tolerated but accepted.

[The Senator]

the same thing is said about gay people. its makes it sound like people are a minor inconvenience that we just need to put up with. we and any other race culture religion etc should not be tolerated but accepted.

I'm not going to accept a faith which is undoubtedly FALSE, especially one which is rooted in hatred and hypocrisy. Sorry, but like I said, I used to live where Joseph Smith grew up, and anyone who seriously believes he found those tables of enlightenment in Upstate New York needs to have their head examined. The Mormon Church has a long, dark history of hatred and violence, and I personally do not feel that I need to accept a phony religious movement which engages in numerous disgusting activities.

I tolerate its existence, but I refuse to accept it as a legitimate, or truthful, faith.

[The Lizard]

I'm not going to accept a faith which is undoubtedly FALSE, especially one which is rooted in hatred and hypocrisy. Sorry, but like I said, I used to live where Joseph Smith grew up, and anyone who seriously believes he found those tables of enlightenment in Upstate New York needs to have their head examined. The Mormon Church has a long, dark history of hatred and violence, and I personally do not feel that I need to accept a phony religious movement which engages in numerous disgusting activities.



Man, you sure do love tossing around that "hatred" word don't you?

Mormons are conservative, overly-traditional and naive, but I can't say that in all the time I've spent around them (and I've spent a LOT of time around them), that I got the impression that everything they believed was "rooted in hatred".

They've just been programmed from birth to believe that father + mother + marriage = family, according to eternal law. Naive and outdated, maybe but not "rooted in hatred".

[spideyboy_1111]

2pm the protest in front of the huge gaudy mormon temple in LA begins (century city) were mad and not taking it anymore here in LA, they stripped us of one right, strip arkansas of a ridiculous one... and were officially 2nd class citizens. were mad, were tired. and were not sitting back and twiddling our thumbs saying "o it will change eventually" the gay civil rights movement is upon us now, we've been fighting in small scale for way to long. spread it across the country, these decisions effect us all. Blacks and Women didn't gain rights by lighting candles and "hoping for the best" they fought, they protested for there rights today. and so should we dammit! Do what you can, get involved, and FIGHT.

[BlackLantern]

^^^good luck with that....

[spideyboy_1111]

I was thinking last night...maybe it will take some serious act of violence or tragedy to really force this issue...I know it's a horrible thought, but maybe that's what it will take

well sadly it just might. sometimes violence imo is ok, if the violence towards african americans never happened i doubt the nation would have seen the severity of it as soon as they did.

[The Senator]

Man, you sure do love tossing around that "hatred" word don't you?

Mormons are conservative, overly-traditional and naive, but I can't say that in all the time I've spent around them (and I've spent a LOT of time around them), that I got the impression that everything they believed was "rooted in hatred".

They've just been programmed from birth to believe that father + mother + marriage = family, according to eternal law. Naive and outdated, maybe but not "rooted in hatred".

Sigh.

Please read my posts before you feel the need to point out something I got wrong.

I said the Mormon CHURCH has a long history of hatred and bigotry. I could care less how Mormons themselves act, but the church hierarchy has a long history of disgusting, despicable bigotry which I feel invalidates any message the church is trying to sell.

[spideyboy_1111]

Man, you sure do love tossing around that "hatred" word don't you?

Mormons are conservative, overly-traditional and naive, but I can't say that in all the time I've spent around them (and I've spent a LOT of time around them), that I got the impression that everything they believed was "rooted in hatred".

They've just been programmed from birth to believe that father + mother + marriage = family, according to eternal law. Naive and outdated, maybe but not "rooted in hatred".

Mormons seem to very from different sides of the US.. here in the west there ridiculous.

[Schlosser85]

Stooping to the level of the "people" who pass laws like these aren't going to get us anywhere. If we got too militant, we'd only play into the hands of those who try to make mainstream America terrified of the "gay Mafia" and the "gay agenda".

[spideyboy_1111]

^^^good luck with that....

hey, the ball needs to get rolling, i have never felt like an activist in my life, but this made me angry, and ive had enough

[spideyboy_1111]

Stooping to the level of the "people" who pass laws like these aren't going to get us anywhere. If we got too militant, we'd only play into the hands of those who try to make mainstream America terrified of the "gay Mafia" and the "gay agenda".

meh, the US isn't terrified of us in terms of violence, there terrified that the people they know and themselves will turn gay, that's the only fear they have.. well that and for some reason us bringing damnation to them. My point is we have to fight for our rights, and so many gay people these days are just like "meh im patient" seriously? we want rights now... not 50 years from now

[Schlosser85]

hey, the ball needs to get rolling, i have never felt like an activist in my life, but this made me angry, and ive had enough

We don't have to put up with blatantly being treated like second-class citizens in the so-called "land of the free", but attacking other groups and provoking violence is as counterproductive as anything we could do.

Any protests must be 100% peaceful. Show the rest of the nation that gays by and large have more dignity and restraint and self-control than the homophobic "Christians" who keep trying to stomp on us. Show them we're "normal people", not a bunch of militant freaks.

[spideyboy_1111]

i never said provoking violence... i highly doubt the gays will throw the first stone.

All i'm saying is one of the yes campaigners recently said "please all those ***s will do is where there rainbow shirts and wave there flags by candle light" thats what they friggin expect. and thats what we've been doing for a while, it's gotten us no where. We have to be a bit more aggressive, im not talking about warfare.

[The Lizard]

2pm the protest in front of the huge gaudy mormon temple in LA begins (century city) were mad and not taking it anymore here in LA, they stripped us of one right, strip arkansas of a ridiculous one... and were officially 2nd class citizens. were mad, were tired. and were not sitting back and twiddling our thumbs saying "o it will change eventually" the gay civil rights movement is upon us now, we've been fighting in small scale for way to long. spread it across the country, these decisions effect us all. Blacks and Women didn't gain rights by lighting candles and "hoping for the best" they fought, they protested for there rights today. and so should we dammit! Do what you can, get involved, and FIGHT.

There's a couple of hurtles that this movement has to overcome with respect of comparison with women's voting rights and the Civil Rights movement:

1. There were a lot more women and African Americans numbers-wise than there are gays. After this passing of Prop 8, the impression has been re-enforced that the GLBT community is a very loud minority, but still a small one.

2. The Civil Rights movement built on the fact that blacks had been slaves in the past and were suffering economically and educationally as a result of segregation and racism later on. However, the modern public sees gays as mostly well-off, well-educated professionals who easily mobilize support for themselves. Not quite the downtrodden victims that blacks were in the '50s and '60s.

NOTE: Please don't take the above observations (or my previous attempted explanation of Mormon rationale) as a sign that I am opposed to gay marriage, because I am not. I would have voted against Prop 8 if I lived in CA. I'm just trying to help provide a more centrist, realistic perspective in this time of heated emotions.

[The Lizard]

Mormons seem to very from different sides of the US.. here in the west they're ridiculous.

You may be correct in that. I've been to Salt Lake City a couple of times, but 95% of my interaction with LDS church members has been east coast and the south. Mormons seem to be a lot more humble and grounded in reality when they live in areas where they're a small minority.

They should learn lessons about what being a minority is like from that.

[BlackLantern]

I agree with Lizard and to be honest...a good chunk of America just doesn't care, gay marriage isn't something that affects their day to day....so all we're seeing is the fervent opponents and the people that are affected.....

[spideyboy_1111]

I agree with Lizard and to be honest...a good chunk of America just doesn't care, gay marriage isn't something that affects their day to day....so all we're seeing is the fervent opponents and the people that are affected.....

thats what needs to change, and it wont happen over night

[The Lizard]

Sigh.

Please read my posts before you feel the need to point out something I got wrong.

I said the Mormon CHURCH has a long history of hatred and bigotry. I could care less how Mormons themselves act, but the church hierarchy has a long history of disgusting, despicable bigotry which I feel invalidates any message the church is trying to sell.

Fair enough (although you at first said the Mormon "faith" was based in hatred, not just the church structure). Your above statement pretty much sums up how I feel about the Church of Scientology as well (although I'd substitute the word "hatred" with "dishonest scam tactics"). "Hatred" is kind of a subjective concept these days, but I suppose that it could be said that any religious laws against homosexuality could have had their origins in fear and yes, hatred in ancient cultures.

But yeah, I just wanted to make it clear that I'd much rather have a Mormon as a neighbor than a member of a TRUE hate-group like the Westboro Baptist Church or some white-supremist organization.

[Octoberist]

yeah, it won't change over night.

I mean, once it reaches DC, hopefully Obama will listen. I don't know if McCain would give them any attention if he was in office..

[BlackLantern]

thats what needs to change, and it wont happen over night

...but what is going to motivate your average American to care? They've got jobs, kids, bills, and what have you.....

[Octoberist]

it's hard because even in the deep south, there are still very racist areas in the rural areas. if people can't barely overcome race, then sexuality will be tough one.

[CaptainClown]

...but what is going to motivate your average American to care? They've got jobs, kids, bills, and what have you.....
and that is why prop 8 passed. THe advocates for it made it a problem about their children. and education and that is why it passed.

[BlackLantern]

I'm not talking about the opponents of it...I mean the average American person or family who has limited or no interaction at all with a gay person or the gay community....why should they care?

[Octoberist]

i don't know. I see what you're saying Black Lantern. It's not as broad as race, if you want to compare that to sexuality. Don't have an answer to that, unless those families become humanitarians.

[Marx]

GOOD LUCK TO ALL OF OUR FELLOW HYPESTERS IN CALIFORNIA WHO CHOOSE TO PROTEST!

Keep it peaceful and intelligent!

[CaptainClown]

I'm not talking about the opponents of it...I mean the average American person or family who has limited or no interaction at all with a gay person or the gay community....why should they care?
Thats what I am saying, people who are for prop 8 advertised to the average American that this prop will affect them. That is why it didn't pass.

[USMC]

I find the whole thing laughable, to say the least. Gays will get the right to "marriage". It is going to happen. This country moves forward, albeit slower than most of the civilized world, when it comes to certain things.

But it's here, it's not going away, if anything gays coming "out" is becoming more normal. Homophobes are starting to actually realize that gays are everywhere, and have been from the start. That they are a normal part of this society of ours... you can't ignore that forever.

On a side note, yeah, the amount of Mormon men I've had sex with is... well, it makes you realize that usually the ones yelling "you're a sinner" the loudest are the ones with the most to hide... :cwink:

[BlackLantern]

USMC...I get this odd feeling you like the religious types....

[Anubis]

Dirtiest sex I've ever had was with a preacher's daughter, I gotta figure his gay son would be doing stuff that's banned in 38 states.

[USMC]

USMC...I get this odd feeling you like the religious types....

I like the willing types. :wow:

[Oddzball]

well the prop 8 campaign is being sued due to the fact they flat out skewed the "children at a gay wedding" story completely out of proportion.

It was NOT school sanctioned, it was a private school, the students and parents were VERY close with the teacher... and only 2 parents complained, and the kids did not go. the parents who allowed there kids to go are all suing the yes campaign.

However, legally you have to have standing to sue. If Debbie and Mary, a lesbian couple married last August have had their legal marriage erased, the community property they bought in say September is in a legal limbo. The text of the proposition didn't address this issue.

Debbie and Mary have a financial stake at stake. They have legal standing to go to court on Proposition 8. Property rights are sort of a Federal Constitution issue, not just a State one. They'd be in a position to go to Federal court and get Prop 8 ruled on.

[Octoberist]

Did a 6 feet tall Polynesian dude beat up a 17 year old girl who's against Prop 8? What the hell is going on here? Who does that? really..

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/peninsula&id=6487266

[CaptainClown]

whats a 17 year old doing out past curfew? hahah

[Octoberist]

but still. who does that? This guy is some piece of work.

[The Senator]

I truly believe Proposition 8 will be overturned by the California State Court. The proposition was worded poorly, and there are numerous loopholes and unanswered questions which simply were not addressed by it. Moreover, the fact that the proposition radically alters the state constitution provides yet another interesting legal challenge. Amendments such as these are first required to pass the state legislature, which this one did not do, before being presented to the general public. And it doesn't end there, considering the legal challenges now facing the 18,000 gay couples which wed in the state since this summer, involving property rights, health benefits, and what kind of retroactive effects this amendment may have... each of these questions have yet to be addressed and are completely up in the air.

Jerry Brown has stated that he will fight this vehemently. And if it goes before the state supreme court, it will face the same justices which legalized gay marriage in the first place. Give this a few more months, and it will most likely be struck down.

[CaptainClown]

but still. who does that? This guy is some piece of work.(hand on shoulder) I don't know, I don't understand it and probably never will.

[spideyboy_1111]

omg i just got back from the protest... i walked around west LA for 9 hours... my body physically hurts, and my feet look like i have elephantitis. Today without any doubt sparked LA, we had a HUGE support. it was amazing, one of the best and most empowering moments of my life. I truly believe a nation wide Gay Civil Rights movement has officially started.

[spideyboy_1111]

Did a 6 feet tall Polynesian dude beat up a 17 year old girl who's against Prop 8? What the hell is going on here? Who does that? really..

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/peninsula&id=6487266

that was when we were on the go... i didnt witness that, though i was a lil freaked out when the swat team showed up when we first started marching. OVer all it was so succesfull people came out of there offices and stores, and joined in with us. little kids holding signs on the street joined us. It was soooo empowering.

edit: o wait nvm.. i thought that was about the mormon guy who punched a girl while trying to take signs off the gates

[CaptainClown]

omg i just got back from the protest... i walked around west LA for 9 hours... my body physically hurts, and my feet look like i have elephantitis. Today without any doubt sparked LA, we had a HUGE support. it was amazing, one of the best and most empowering moments of my life. I truly believe a nation wide Gay Civil Rights movement has officially started.
awesome man, hope the rally didn't get violent.

[spideyboy_1111]

awesome man, hope the rally didn't get violent.

it was actually pretty peaceful for the most part. IT's def begun, we plan on eventually taking it to possibly arizona and then washington. I've notice that the gay community has never had a nation wide movement, just small city ones. And it's about time we come together, united, and not ask but DEMAND for our human rights.

[spideyboy_1111]

ps, if your in cali, were headed to long beach 7pm tomorrow

[CaptainClown]

I'm in Cali but again protesting is not my thing. I support things like this in other ways.

[spideyboy_1111]

well... i can't force ya... but women and blacks didn't get there rights by sitting around and hoping for the best. If you want rights, you gotta go get em.

[spideyboy_1111]

lots of footage from tonight

http://www.ktla.com/

[CaptainClown]

Some people fight the system, some prep others for change. I do the prepping.

[spideyboy_1111]

more footage
http://cbs2.com/
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/index
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/
http://www.myfoxla.com/myfox/
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/06/state.laws/index.html

[Octoberist]

"And in 60 years people will marry their sisters and mothers, corpses, donkeys, and kids... mission accomplished - equality for ALL. By the way marriage to a palm tree would be fun. I hope 'bright' guys in Berkley already working on marriage with trees!"

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Protestors_Signal_Battle_over_Same_Sex_Marriage_No t_Over.html#GAwMD

When I read crap like this (in the comments area), I just get P*ssed off on the sheer amount of ignorance and hate that the person has. For a person who is for Prop 8, he/she just threw his argument out of the window with his immaturity. Marrying your mom and sister? Calling gays a bunch of 'sickos'?

[spideyboy_1111]

yeah pro prop 8 people from day 1 have never been able to diffed themselves properly. sometimes i feel like im in a mad house.

[spideyboy_1111]

pics/vids from my facebook
http://www.new.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2125738&id=60708042#/photo.php?pid=33432453&id=60708042

http://www.new.facebook.com/photos.php?id=60708042#/photo.php?pid=33432338&id=60708042

http://www.new.facebook.com/video/?id=60708042

[BlackLantern]

its been fairly quiet here in the northeast...maybe because people can go to Mass or VT to get married....

[Schlosser85]

Ok, here's an out-of-left-field question....

The Red Cross bans gays from giving blood, ostensibly because they are a high-risk group for HIV. But considering the largest infected group in America is heterosexual black women, by their own logic, shouldn't the Red Cross ban them from giving blood too?

[Bathead]

I don't know. How effective is the screening system for blood these days?

[BlackLantern]

how is the Red Cross going to know you're gay unless you tell them?

[Ion Kenshin]

how is the Red Cross going to know you're gay unless you tell them?
We bleed rainbow...you didnt know :whatever: (@ red cross)

[cerealkiller182]

Did "Milk" miss the opportunity to change history?

http://weblogs.variety.com/hal/2008/11/did-milk-miss-t.html

In the election aftermath, Kristopher Tapley poses an intriguing question: "Could an earlier ‘Milk’ release have killed Prop 8?" As he points out, much of "Milk" is dedicated to the fight against Proposition 6, a 1978 ballot measure that would prevented gay people from working as educators. "The parallels between the campaign chronicled in the movie and the real-life battle over Proposition 8 are striking," he writes. "Harvey Milk (Sean Penn’s career-best portrayal) makes the point, to paraphrase, 'We have to make them understand that they know us.' That message, I think, might have carried a lot of heft if voters had made it to the polls four weeks later.... A studio’s priority is, of course, to shareholders, and 'Milk' is likely to make more money in its current release plan than something earlier in the season. But you can’t help but wonder what might have been. And you can’t 'give ‘em hope' after the fact." (As I posted this, an email from Focus Features arrived to remind me that "Milk" release dates begin November 26.)

Seems like an interesting thing to discuss.

I think it would have helped those on the fence and hoped it would be the epiphany for some of the opposition, but there seems to be too many stubborn people opposing gay marriage.

The movie looks pretty good and the performances look top notch so Ill definitely try to see this

[UltimateJustin]

Did "Milk" miss the opportunity to change history?

http://weblogs.variety.com/hal/2008/11/did-milk-miss-t.html



Seems like an interesting thing to discuss.

I think it would have helped those on the fence and hoped it would be the epiphany for some of the opposition, but there seems to be too many stubborn people opposing gay marriage.

The movie looks pretty good and the performances look top notch so Ill definitely try to see this
It's possible. Entertainment can truly change public opinon. That's part of the reason some people think the darker tone and message of TDK had a hand in Obama's sweeping victory.

[BlackLantern]

It's possible. Entertainment can truly change public opinon. That's part of the reason some people think the darker tone and message of TDK had a hand in Obama's sweeping victory.

...who are these people? and are they breeding, because that would be a bad thing

[The Senator]

It's possible. Entertainment can truly change public opinon. That's part of the reason some people think the darker tone and message of TDK had a hand in Obama's sweeping victory.

:whatever:

The Dark Knight had NO effect on Obama's win. The only people who think this are those who have seen the movie seven times, dress up in Joker face paint three days a week, and are still masturbating to the sound of Heath Ledger's voice from the first TDK trailer.

[USMC]

Ok, here's an out-of-left-field question....

The Red Cross bans gays from giving blood, ostensibly because they are a high-risk group for HIV. But considering the largest infected group in America is heterosexual black women, by their own logic, shouldn't the Red Cross ban them from giving blood too?


The Red Cross didn't start the ban. The FDA is in charge of the ban and has been for 3 decades. The Red Cross is actually against the ban, saying that it is no longer warranted.

[The Senator]

No, see, if you don't let heterosexual black women donate blood, it's discrimination. But gay people? There's no such thing as anti-gay discrimination, since they choose their lifestyles... :whatever:

[spideyboy_1111]

tomorrows protest in silverlake is expected to have a turn out of 22,000 :)

[Anita18]

tomorrows protest in silverlake is expected to have a turn out of 22,000 :)
Hmmm, I'll actually be in the area at that time. 6pm, right?

Question, where are 22,000 people be expected to park? :oldrazz: That's the most important factor in me going anywhere downtown. :funny:

[BlackLantern]

carpool?

[Anita18]

carpool?
I'm meeting a HS friend for lunch, then checking out an event downtown hosted by my alma mater. I might be able to hit up someone at the college event who's going to the protest, but otherwise it's kind of an inconvenience for someone to be tagging along with me all day. :oldrazz:

[spideyboy_1111]

Hmmm, I'll actually be in the area at that time. 6pm, right?

Question, where are 22,000 people be expected to park? :oldrazz: That's the most important factor in me going anywhere downtown. :funny:

wherever you can really... and 22,000 is eventual size... it never immidiatley starts that big. i recommend going right on time to have best parking availability.

did you watch any of the news about yesterdays amazing protest?
here's info on it. http://www.facebook.com/events.php?ref=sb#/event.php?eid=38682341090

[spideyboy_1111]

I'm meeting a HS friend for lunch, then checking out an event downtown hosted by my alma mater. I might be able to hit up someone at the college event who's going to the protest, but otherwise it's kind of an inconvenience for someone to be tagging along with me all day. :oldrazz:

well if there cool and up for history in the making :) then im sure they will be ready :)



the best image yesterday was just seeing the people come out of work and off the streets and stores to join us. I saw one woman run out of boarders, with her book purchase in hand, and join us, i saw women and men in buisness suits join us running out of there office in westwood, i saw 3 girls on the corner holding no on prop 8 signs, who a half hour later, i noticed were walking right beside me. it was touching.. they had to of all been between the ages of 8-12

[deathfromabove]

wherever you can really... and 22,000 is eventual size... it never immidiatley starts that big. i recommend going right on time to have best parking availability.

did you watch any of the news about yesterdays amazing protest?
here's info on it. http://www.facebook.com/events.php?ref=sb#/event.php?eid=38682341090

your avatar makes me sad.

i remember back when i was in high school (15+ years ago) when one of my best friends was worried about coming out to his mother i thought "change is happening. i see it in the media and culture. in ten years we will have come a long way as a society".

and while i will concede that there has been change, it saddens me to see that we have not come nearly far enough. as a straight white male i see gay rights as the civil rights issue of the 21st century and it makes my blood boil that california voted to restrict or eliminate rights of its people in the year 2008.

[Oddzball]

i didnt witness that,


It was in San Mateo, your previous post puts you in West LA. Now you can see Russia from Sara's porch, but you can't see Northern Cal from Southern.

;)

[spideyboy_1111]

It was in San Mateo, your previous post puts you in West LA. Now you can see Russia from Sara's porch, but you can't see Northern Cal from Southern.

;)

hey now i corrected myself :-P something similar happened here, which is why i was confused lol, then i clicked the link and read

[spideyboy_1111]

your avatar makes me sad.

i remember back when i was in high school (15+ years ago) when one of my best friends was worried about coming out to his mother i thought "change is happening. i see it in the media and culture. in ten years we will have come a long way as a society".

and while i will concede that there has been change, it saddens me to see that we have not come nearly far enough. as a straight white male i see gay rights as the civil rights issue of the 21st century and it makes my blood boil that california voted to restrict or eliminate rights of its people in the year 2008.

agrees, and i personally feel like it's all because as a nation the gay community (as well as gay rights advocates) have truly never joined together. There's been movements and protests, but there nearly always on a small scale, and just a city wide. We need a movement, and people have to be willing to fight for it.

I've talked to a few friends and most are honestly to scared to fight, and that astounds me, they wont protest because there afraid of a protest turning violent. and i find that kinda sad... if your smart about it you dont have to be caught up in it.

[Gilpesh]

Hey everyone. Let's just ban marriage altogether because civil unions are just the same.

[BlackLantern]

I just saw an interview on 'Rachel Maddow' about how the anti-prop 8 movement didn't do enough in the Black and Latin communities to get the message out......it's a good point...and Spideyboy, you're right...your side has to stop hoping that people will eventually come around and get out there and make your case

[Bill]

your avatar makes me sad.

i remember back when i was in high school (15+ years ago) when one of my best friends was worried about coming out to his mother i thought "change is happening. i see it in the media and culture. in ten years we will have come a long way as a society".

and while i will concede that there has been change, it saddens me to see that we have not come nearly far enough. as a straight white male i see gay rights as the civil rights issue of the 21st century and it makes my blood boil that california voted to restrict or eliminate rights of its people in the year 2008.

I was thinking along those lines on election night when Obama was elected and the adulation (and deservedly so) from all people that a black man had finally been chosen as president, and I was thinking that it's the 21st century, and it should be a shame that this is a great and wondrous thing.

We've spent too long referring to each other as a demographic or defining each other according to a lifestyle. It's wishful thinking, but how great would it be if we were all just human beings and that's where the descriptives ended?

[Matt]

I find it so absurd that we even need a gay rights thread. Who gives a **** who someone loves or has sex with? It is between the two, consensual partners. The fact that they get different rights than everyone else is ashame. Even our president and vice-president elect, who are supposedly two of the most progressive men in Congress do not support giving them the right to have their marriages recognized by the government? It is very sad.

[Joker]

Not only do I think that gays shouldn't have rights, I think no one but me should have any rights. And my rights should include the right to kill everyone I want to. But I guess if other people have to have rights, then the gays should get them too.

Also, hot lesbians should totally have the right to screw in public.

[BlackLantern]

joker...you sir...are a truly progressive individual and we should all learn from your example....

[spideyboy_1111]

Hey everyone. Let's just ban marriage altogether because civil unions are just the same.

there not the same, we don't get the exact same rights in a civil union, were not "allowed" to use the term husband and wife, and it is NOT the same thing.

[Gilpesh]

there not the same, we don't get the exact same rights in a civil union, were not "allowed" to use the term husband and wife, and it is NOT the same thing.

You took my words a little too seriously... you must have missed my Barney throwing up avatar.

[Joker]

joker...you sir...are a truly progressive individual and we should all learn from your example....

It's not my fault that the human race are insects compared to me. I'm so high up the evolutionary ladder that I'm not even the same species as most of you :cmad:. Except hot lesbians, they're on the same level...oh yeah...

[spideyboy_1111]

You took my words a little too seriously... you must have missed my Barney throwing up avatar.

sorry, ive just been caught up in alot lately...

[Gilpesh]

sorry, ive just been caught up in alot lately...

I don't blame you... it sucks that tuesday was historic for also being the first time that amendments were used to take away rights from people.

[spideyboy_1111]

it's very disgusting. I just hope whats happening in LA this week spreads like wild fire across the nation. I'm so angry that ive met sooo many fellow gays who don't feel the need to fight. And there excuses are very petty "I'm just gonna wait for the courts", "protesting just isn't me" "it can be dangerous, and im not really ready to get hurt or give my life for the cause" if find that incredibly saddening. If you want your rights, you have to fight for them, you can't wait for them to be handed to you especially with the ways things are turning as of late.

I find this article particularly disturbing
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081107/ap_on_el_st_lo/gay_marriage;_ylt=Aqw1VaCKDrSj5ngKJDrJunpvzwcF
essentially the mormon church and fellow conservatives, want to push there tactics (lies and hate) cross country.

We need to go out and show the nation that we demand rights, we can't expect them to be handed to us, we've been fighting for our rights almost as long (if not longer) then african americans have... our problem is we've never stood united. Women and Blacks didn't get there rights by sitting at home and accepting the oppression.

[spideyboy_1111]

HOLY SHIznit it's happening people!!!

there was a rally in Seattle and in front of the Mormon headquarters in SLC , another tomorrow in Chicago!

and next saturday there calling for a NATION WIDE ONE!!!!
http://www.jointheimpact.com/


THE GAY CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT HAS BEGUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! everyone remember remember the 5th of November!!!

[Gilpesh]

THE GAY CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT HAS BEGUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! everyone remember remember the 5th of November!!!

I will personally end the gay civil rights movement (even though I agree that they should have rights) if you quote V for Vendetta again.

[spideyboy_1111]

I will personally end the gay civil rights movement (even though I agree that they should have rights) if you quote V for Vendetta again.
haha, :-P well that's the day this particular revolution started :-P

[Anita18]

and next saturday there calling for a NATION WIDE ONE!!!!
http://www.jointheimpact.com/
OoooOoOOOOooOooOO I would definitely be up for a protest next Saturday...when I am not busy otherwise. :oldrazz:

Plus it would be easier to get to via the Metro system. :oldrazz:

[The Senator]

I will personally end the gay civil rights movement (even though I agree that they should have rights) if you quote V for Vendetta again.

Technically he's quoting an old British adage which was unfortunately bolstered by that lackluster piece of trash.

[Gilpesh]

Technically he's quoting an old British adage which was unfortunately bolstered by that lackluster piece of trash.

Yeah yeah yeah... I wouldn't have minded it if the movie was never made and everyone wasn't saying afterward.

Like it is now to Austin Powers' "Yeah baby" levels of annoying...

[The Senator]

Fair Warning: If anyone in the queer community decides to wear V masks while protesting the LDS Church, I will refuse to participate.

[The Senator]

Fair Warning: If anyone in the queer community decides to wear V masks while protesting the LDS Church, I will refuse to participate.

[Paradoxium]

Fair Warning: If anyone in the queer community decides to wear V masks while protesting the LDS Church, I will refuse to participate.

:lmao:

[spideyboy_1111]

haha.. that'd be amusing... but man o man am i happy.. i totally have the hippie in me coming out

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[SuperFerret]

there not the same, we don't get the exact same rights in a civil union, were not "allowed" to use the term husband and wife, and it is NOT the same thing.

Now, I may be just plain ignorant, but other than the terms being used, what's the big difference between "marriage" and "civil unions"?

[spideyboy_1111]

Now, I may be just plain ignorant, but other than the terms being used, what's the big difference between "marriage" and "civil unions"?

We have less rights, and i believe we arn't recognized in a hospital as family if our loved one is dying. but here is an article that should fully explain it, if you have anymore questions i could find more info... http://lesbianlife.about.com/cs/wedding/a/unionvmarriage.htm

[Joker]

I'm going to go to one of these rallies and turn the firehoses on people. Not because I have anything against gays, just so it will accurately re-create the black civil rights movement. You know, authenticity is important.

[ShadowBoxing]

Yeah yeah yeah... I wouldn't have minded it if the movie was never made and everyone wasn't saying afterward.

That movie was an insult to the comic anyways, which was suppose to be about anarchy, but leave it to the Wakowski's not to get Alan Moore.

[spideyboy_1111]

hey V might of spit on the book, but i felt it was still a very empowering movie

[The Senator]

hey V might of spit on the book, but i felt it was still a very empowering movie

It also empowered a bunch of imbeciles to parade around in broad daylight dressed in tacky Halloween costumes to protest a religious movement which has zero credibility in this society...

[spideyboy_1111]

It also empowered a bunch of imbeciles to parade around in broad daylight dressed in tacky Halloween costumes to protest a religious movement which has zero credibility in this society...

is that what happened tonight? i havent heard anything on this...

were they gays?

[The Senator]

is that what happened tonight? i havent heard anything on this...

were they gays?

No, I was actually referring to the Anonymous "movement" against Scientology.

[ShadowBoxing]

hey V might of spit on the book, but i felt it was still a very empowering movie
They turned that sh** from Alan Moore into Michael Moore's V for Vendetta

[spideyboy_1111]

No, I was actually referring to the Anonymous "movement" against Scientology.

ahh yea i forgot about that... it'd make more sense i guess if they were gay due to the overbearing gay theme in V

[spideyboy_1111]

They turned that sh** from Alan Moore into Michael Moore's V for Vendetta

meh either way, i thought it was really good, unlike the book or not

[BlackLantern]

I just checked...People here in CT still don't care...but good luch anyway

[Nivek]

That movie was an insult to the comic anyways, which was suppose to be about anarchy, but leave it to the Wakowski's not to get Alan Moore.


Honestly, the movie digests easier than Moore's pretentious, sometimes English Soap-Opera style comic book storytelling. A cop tripping on acid to find out information on V? Yeah... I read V for the first time in the mid-90's, and was pretty bored by it. So much, that when the W Bro's said they were making it, I was turned off till I seen the first trailer.


On topic, I have to admit, all this talk about dismissing Gay's Civil Rights through this election is coming off as complaining about the coffee grinds in your cup of Coffee. I mean, it's not like this was the first time it was on numerous state ballets. And where the majority was more interested in electing Obama than seeing Gay's make a progressive step forward, I think people need to calmly understand the subject of sexual orientation is something that even transcends race. I was greatly disappointed that it didn't win here in Florida, and places like California, but I also know that as soon as Courts decide with the constitution, it will be wiped off. It took 200 YEARS, for someone of a different race to Win the Presidency, and it frustrated and kinda angers me now that so many people are poo-pooing the Obama election because gays didn't win too.

[Paradoxium]

I'm going to go to one of these rallies and turn the firehoses on people. Not because I have anything against gays, just so it will accurately re-create the black civil rights movement. You know, authenticity is important.Hahahaha this is excellent :woot::up:

[The Senator]

Expect New York to legalize either gay marriage or (sigh) civil unions within the next six months now that the Democratic Party controls both the state assembly and state senate. Paterson said he will sign a bill legalizing gay marriage or (sigh) civil unions as long as it hit his desk.

Also, Jon Corzine previously stated that he wants New Jersey to legalize gay marriage after the elections, so that could happen early next year.

Finally, for all you Californians looking to stay on the west coast... Christine Gregoire is in the same boat as Corzine, so Washington state may legalize gay marriage or (sigh) civil unions sometime soon...

[BlackLantern]

Hahahaha this is excellent :woot::up:

Someone has to get some dogs

[Matt]

Expect New York to legalize either gay marriage or (sigh) civil unions within the next six months now that the Democratic Party controls both the state assembly and state senate. Paterson said he will sign a bill legalizing gay marriage or (sigh) civil unions as long as it hit his desk.

Also, Jon Corzine previously stated that he wants New Jersey to legalize gay marriage after the elections, so that could happen early next year.

Finally, for all you Californians looking to stay on the west coast... Christine Gregoire is in the same boat as Corzine, so Washington state may legalize gay marriage or (sigh) civil unions sometime soon...

I love how people get pissy over applying the term marriage to gay couples (cough cough Obama and Biden, cough cough) but have no problem allowing civil unions. ITS ****ING SEMANTICS! GET OVER IT! JUST LET THEM GET MARRIED!?! WHO THE HELL IS IT HURTING!?!?...sigh...

[The Senator]

I love how people get pissy over applying the term marriage to gay couples (cough cough Obama and Biden, cough cough) but have no problem allowing civil unions. ITS ****ING SEMANTICS! GET OVER IT! JUST LET THEM GET MARRIED!?! WHO THE HELL IS IT HURTING!?!?...sigh...

Exactly. I don't know if I will ever understand it myself, and I spend a good portion of my time dealing with these issues.

[Paradoxium]

Like I said before, abolish the marriage term and change it completely to civil unions (with rights exactly like marriage). Then let the religious and gays debate it amongst themselves.

[danoyse]

I love how people get pissy over applying the term marriage to gay couples (cough cough Obama and Biden, cough cough) but have no problem allowing civil unions. ITS ****ING SEMANTICS! GET OVER IT! JUST LET THEM GET MARRIED!?! WHO THE HELL IS IT HURTING!?!?...sigh...

I always translate "I believe in strong civil unions" as "I believe in gay marriage but if I use those two words I will scare off voters" during election time.

[BlackLantern]

I think the bigger issue is there are A LOT of people that simply do not care about this issue....so they don't care what happens either way

[CaptainClown]

Like I said before, abolish the marriage term and change it completely to civil unions (with rights exactly like marriage). Then let the religious and gays debate it amongst themselves.
Thats what I am saying.

[ShadowBoxing]

I think the bigger issue is there are A LOT of people that simply do not care about this issue....so they don't care what happens either wayAlso it seems to me Homosexuals have yet to really coalesce in their shared experience. Black people are born to black parent(s) and generally raised in communities where they interact with many others 'like them', for gay people this may be the complete opposition. Their parents and family are more likely than not going to be straight, maybe not all, but the majority. They don't necessarily have a shared experience with all other gay people, and they aren't necessarily going to be able to draw parrallels between themselves and other minorities in their community. Also is there really a gay Martin Luther King, a series of prominent gay civil rights educators, lawyers and leaders? I have a feeling there are a lot less of them than their are for certain religions or races. Also a lot of gay people are closeted, and you can't really pick them out of a crowd. It's easy to see the people affected by Illegal Immigration Policy, or Black rights policy. I think people could care, I just feel like the gay marriage issue isn't as visible as it could be and therefore people are kind of, like you say, blase' about it. I'd be even more interested to see the stats of who abstained from voting on prop 8s.

[USMC]

Exactly. I don't know if I will ever understand it myself, and I spend a good portion of my time dealing with these issues.

I enjoy your posts, jmanspice, but damn if that avatar doesn't make me want to puke. :o

[UltimateJustin]

While I'm against a ban on gay marriage, I don't have a problem understanding WHY some people are. They are against it because they think it's SO CRAZY! They don't get it!

[Bathead]

The reason is, they've been indoctrinated by organized religion into believng homosexuality is an offense against god, and therfore those who practice it, do not deserve to be treated the same as "normal" people.

[UltimateJustin]

The reason is, they've been indoctrinated by organized religion into believng homosexuality is an offense against god, and therfore those who practice it, do not deserve to be treated the same as "normal" people.
Well, I know atheists, agnostics and people who hate religion who think gays are disgusting, or lame/faries. People are capable of developing ignorance and prejudice all on their their own!

The way I see it, the people who are against gay marriage who aren't just bigots, are against it just because they want to keep the standard of a man and a woman as the basic parental concept, "as nature intended it", they believe that theres nothing wrong with being gay but that it is a genetic mutation and is *not normal* and shouldn't be considered normal, even if they believe gays should be treated equally and justfully in every other right.. But I'm like no way. Nature also intended atrocities like Katrina taht support racism and other things in nature are also very wrong.

[spideyboy_1111]

So i just got back from 2 long protests. the first was the biggest, it was in silverlake and unfortunately too tame. the official estimated count was 12 thousand! several celebs walked hand in hand with us, the only 2 i know as of yet walked litterally at arms length beside me at one point (James Franco, and Zachary Quinto!!!!!) it was soo friggin awesome!. The protest was a lame circle in Silverlake. It started at sunset junction (sunset and santa monica) heading west on santa monica, north on one street, that brought us right between the childrens hospital (which was actually an amazing experience, the kids came to the windows and many waved :), we yelled out "get well soon" to them. And then we tried to head west on sunset, but the cops wouldn't have it. we sat on the street and protested for about 15-20 min and decided just to head back east on sunset, which pretty much killed the vibe. we ended up back where we started and it ended with sort of a fund raising event. Most of the people were there for the first time and expected what we did on thursday, so it was a bit of a let down.

Word got out later though and we met back up at 10 at the intersection of Hollywood and Highland right in front of the Kodak theater complex. 2 other groups an hr or so later joined with us coming up north from sunset and east on hollywood. we were back with probably about a thousand. we marched down highland, onto sunset, and took sunset by storm. The marched was a pretty late at night one (it lasted 11pm-2am) walking the full path on sunset and making a left on san vicente ending us at the heart of the LA gay community. Weho (West Hollywood) on sunset we hit a few *******s who we just yelled "shame on you" back at. but there was still alot of support for so late at night.

Over all i'd say it was a pretty successful night, and it was great seeing celebs take action too. We need our voices heard.

http://www.ktla.com/landing_topstories/?=1&blockID=127805&feedID=1198
(the official word is 12thousand btw, not KTLA's reporting of 10)
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/local/los_angeles&id=6496204
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-protests9-2008nov09,0,7790800.story

[Anita18]

The way I see it, the people who are against gay marriage who aren't just bigots, are against it just because they want to keep the standard of a man and a woman as the basic parental concept, "as nature intended it", they believe that theres nothing wrong with being gay but that it is a genetic mutation and is *not normal* and shouldn't be considered normal, even if they believe gays should be treated equally and justfully in every other right.. But I'm like no way. Nature also intended atrocities like Katrina taht support racism and other things in nature are also very wrong.
The nature stuff doesn't make sense to me either because there are almost no animals in nature practice "marriage." Some take on long-term mates, but there is lots of cheating involved too. Mostly, the males just mate and run, including our closest relatives, the primates. Well, the religiously fervent don't believe in that either so...what was their argument again? :oldrazz:

And Jon Stewart made a joke last week about real "traditional" marriage involving dowries, payments to a lord and allowing him to take away your bride on the wedding night for "jus primae noctis." :lmao:

IMO it's just culture. People are disgusted by things that seem "not normal" but what is "normal" anyway?

[Schlosser85]

IMO it's just culture. People are disgusted by things that seem "not normal" but what is "normal" anyway?

Amen. "Normal" is a completely subjective term that means something different to every person. People say homosexuality isn't normal or natural, well it is to me.

To me, personally, heterosexuality would be unnatural.

[Bathead]

Well, I know atheists, agnostics and people who hate religion who think gays are disgusting, or lame/faries. People are capable of developing ignorance and prejudice all on their their own!

The way I see it, the people who are against gay marriage who aren't just bigots, are against it just because they want to keep the standard of a man and a woman as the basic parental concept, "as nature intended it", they believe that theres nothing wrong with being gay but that it is a genetic mutation and is *not normal* and shouldn't be considered normal, even if they believe gays should be treated equally and justfully in every other right.. But I'm like no way. Nature also intended atrocities like Katrina taht support racism and other things in nature are also very wrong.

This is all true, but I still maintain it's all based on religious intolerance. This has been going on a long time, pretty much for many hundreds of years. By now it's been ingrained in to society, to the point where even the non-religious believe it. Be sure though, it was all started and has been maintained primarily by religion.

[Backdrifter]

This is all true, but I still maintain it's all based on religious intolerance. This has been going on a long time, pretty much for many hundreds of years. By now it's been ingrained in to society, to the point where even the non-religious believe it. Be sure though, it was all started and has been maintained primarily by religion.

Where did your notion of tolerance, peace and love come from, I wonder?

It is interesting to point that all the bad things in the world seem to come from religion, but none of the good things. I am a Christian and my religion doesn't say anything about hating or persecuting anyone. In fact, Jesus went out of his way to connect with people who were considered "sinners."

The problem isn't religion. The problem is people. Take away religion, then any notion of morality is gone. Morality becomes whatever you want it to be.

[Paradoxium]

http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/11/radical-california-gays-lash-out-at.html

Geoffrey, a student at UCLA and regular Rod 2.0 reader, joined the massive protest outside the Temple of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Westwood. Geoffrey was called the n-word at least twice.

It was like being at a klan rally except the klansmen were wearing Abercrombie polos and Birkenstocks. YOU N***ER, one man shouted at men. If your people want to call me a F****T, I will call you a n***er. Someone else said same thing to me on the next block near the temple...me and my friend were walking, he is also gay but Korean, and a young WeHo clone said after last night the n*ggers better not come to West Hollywood if they knew what was BEST for them.

Oy when it comes to sucking at life, everyone is pretty good at it, gay straight black white brown yellow

[Bathead]

Well, this is true, a lot of good thing's come from religion, but admit it, a lot of bad things as well, ( the Crusades is just one example) and you're right, it is the people who practice religion do the bad. Doesn't make it right, and those who practice religion have a duty to at least try to keep the negatives out. One problem is that many religions require faith in the "absloute truth" as they see it, and any who question it are ostracised. You're a religious person and you want to keep it free from claims of intolerance? Then do something about it (not meaning you specifically). Don't just follow it blindly, as too many people do.

[Anita18]

The problem isn't religion. The problem is people. Take away religion, then any notion of morality is gone. Morality becomes whatever you want it to be.
I don't think religion is there for anything but a need for comfort and faith. My family has never been religious. I've only walked into a church for choir concerts and a synagogue for my cousin's bar mitzvah, and I consider myself a pretty nice, moral person. I think there should be only one rule for morality - be considerate of other people. That's all.

I know religious people who are bigoted beyond belief and religious people who are the nicest, open-minded people. It's what you bring to the table, not what it gives you.

[Schlosser85]

It was like being at a klan rally except the klansmen were wearing Abercrombie polos and Birkenstocks. YOU N*GGER, one man shouted at men. If your people want to call me a F*GGOT, I will call you a n*gger.


Well that's embarrassing. Both blacks and gays should know better. :csad:

[cerealkiller182]

Where did your notion of tolerance, peace and love come from, I wonder?

It is interesting to point that all the bad things in the world seem to come from religion, but none of the good things. I am a Christian and my religion doesn't say anything about hating or persecuting anyone. In fact, Jesus went out of his way to connect with people who were considered "sinners."

The problem isn't religion. The problem is people. Take away religion, then any notion of morality is gone. Morality becomes whatever you want it to be.

Religion is created by people. Morality is defined by religion, so morality is technically whatever we want it to be.

I am also a Christian or was or whatever. Not even sure anymore, but I know there are things in the bible that I completely disagree with. "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them" Leviticus 20:13. Thats a bible verse!

Plus on the subject of gay marriage, how can you say religion isnt a factor. "God hates f*gs" protestor signs all over the damn place. People calling them godless and sinners. Stupid ass televangelists spreading fear-mongering on tv all the time. Doesnt sound like tolerance, peace and love to me! Religion may encourage tolerance, peace, and love only as long as you follow their beliefs it seems.

[The Senator]

Where did your notion of tolerance, peace and love come from, I wonder?

It is interesting to point that all the bad things in the world seem to come from religion, but none of the good things. I am a Christian and my religion doesn't say anything about hating or persecuting anyone. In fact, Jesus went out of his way to connect with people who were considered "sinners."

The problem isn't religion. The problem is people. Take away religion, then any notion of morality is gone. Morality becomes whatever you want it to be.

Your religion has influenced you to legislate the lives of those who do not share your religious beliefs. And as a result, Christian fundamentalists have now denied civil rights to several million Americans in four states this past week, and have thrown the marital status of roughly 18,000 individuals in limbo. So while you can come here and claim that your religion doesn't teach you to hate anyone or act in a discriminatory matter, the propositions which passed in California, Arizona, Florida and Arkansas this past week have blatantly discriminated against a large number of Americans and, as a result, have thrown their lives in turmoil.

And why is this? Because religion has taught so many Americans that they have the right to assassinate the character and integrity of so many people simply because they do not live the lifestyle they themselves approve of. We can thank the Mormon church especially for this bigotry.

True Christians, and true Americans, would not want to harm the lives of their fellow men and women. Unfortunately, there was nothing Christian or American in the events which unfolded this past week in those four states. As a result, I am ashamed that on the same day we put so many civil rights issues behind us by electing the first African American president, we shredded many more civil rights by banning gay marriage and adoption in those states.

[Oddzball]

I think there is a fear that if you have to justify your case you 'weaken' it because it's supposed to be self-evident.

Marriage is a contract where two people become one person in a number of legal meanings of the law. It grants each spouse joint rights over property and offsrping.

That's basically it. Everything else is just a religious blessing ceremony. Except that, over time the church took the position that their blessing was the authorization of a wedding. In short, they took the position that they had to power to decide who could or could not marry.

[UltimateJustin]

Sometimes looking at how straight society views gays, even as a primarily straight individual (lets just say if I'm on xtube jerking for a long period of time and accidentally click on vid where there doesn't happen to be any girls involved, I don't *immidiately* lose my boner, if you know what I'm saying) it's more like mainstream America is less "heterosexual" and more "haterosexual".

[The Senator]

Sometimes looking at how straight society views gays, even as a primarily straight individual (lets just say if I'm on xtube jerking for a long period of time and accidentally click on vid where there doesn't happen to be any girls involved, I don't *immidiately* lose my boner, if you know what I'm saying) it's more like mainstream America is less "heterosexual" and more "haterosexual".

I really wish I hadn't read this...

[Franklin Richards]

N. Texans to Picket Church Over "Why Gay is Not OK" Sign (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27622035)

Despite the overwhelming number of Red Staters in the area. Dallas has a large and organized LGBT community.


It's the San Francisco of the Southwest. :D


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[The Senator]

N. Texans to Picket Church Over "Why Gay is Not OK" Sign (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27622035)

Despite the overwhelming number of Red Staters in the area. Dallas has a large and organized LGBT community.


It's the San Francisco of the Southwest. :D


:thing: :doom: :thing:

I thought Phoenix was the San Francisco of the Southwest :huh:

[Franklin Richards]

I'd have to go with Big D. 2nd Best Halloween Parade ever.


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[The Senator]

I'd have to go with Big D. 2nd Best Halloween Parade ever.


:thing: :doom: :thing:

I was in Phoenix over the summer, and I must say, it was an incredibly gay city.

The idea that Dallas could be gayer is something I just cannot wrap my mind around... especially since that liberal city did not elect the Democratic mayoral candidate a year or so ago because he was gay...

[Franklin Richards]

It's really a city at odds with itself. You'd have to live here to understand. I blame it on the corrupt liberal city council. The backlash has effected most liberal minded groups.

And yet they still have most of the power with Conservatives at the top in a few places. It's a really strange setup.

:thing: :doom: :thing:

[ShadowBoxing]

Sometimes looking at how straight society views gays, even as a primarily straight individual (lets just say if I'm on xtube jerking for a long period of time and accidentally click on vid where there doesn't happen to be any girls involved, I don't *immidiately* lose my boner, if you know what I'm saying) it's more like mainstream America is less "heterosexual" and more "haterosexual".
That's all you buddy:huh:

This feels like that time when your talking with all of your friends and one of them says: "Hey man, you sometimes jerk off to dudes right....right...:csad:...Nah, I was just joking...."

[UltimateJustin]

I was in Phoenix over the summer, and I must say, it was an incredibly gay city.

The idea that Dallas could be gayer is something I just cannot wrap my mind around... especially since that liberal city did not elect the Democratic mayoral candidate a year or so ago because he was gay...
Dude, it's pretty gay he's not kidding.

[Bathead]

I've even seen this negative attitude towards gays in what may seem entirely innocent at first, right here on the Hype itself, when someone wants to criticise soemthing they don't like , they say it's gay. Like, "That Fantastic Four movie was really gay.", "That 'The Batman' cartoon is gay", things like that. Really bugs me. This kind of bigotry seems entrenched in this modern world, yet a lot of people don't belive it's discrimination, or don't care.

[CaptainClown]

Well gay is the fad word for lame now. I don't think many people think of it as straight up homosexual but rather just something to call something lame. However it does affect how others think because with that kind of attitude it subconsciously associates gay with a negative.

[Franklin Richards]

Why you wanna bring the FF movie into this?


Punk.


:cmad:



:ff: :ff: :ff:

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Yeah.

I remember after Brokeback Mountain came out, the term became Brokeback. So....gay wasn't even used anymore. They just added Brokeback to everything and the effect was still the same.

I honestly can't believe there was a vote needed for this. I mean....am I wrong for assuming that the American people did not vote to allow women to vote? Or to allow Black people to vote? Or to allow Interracial marriages? Or a billion other things people take for granted?

I dunno...I say it'd be fair for Gays to pay half of taxes if that's the deal the U.S. government wants to make. Seems fair...they pay less taxes since clearly...they're seens as less than an American citizen.

Course...if that was the deal on the table, we all know it's be green lit immediately...

[ShadowBoxing]

But, let's be fair, Brokeback Mountain was completely overrated.

[CaptainClown]

^agree, Brokeback was really boring. With all the hype about it being about gay cowboys, I was hoping to see more cowboy love.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I've never seen it, actually.

Not because it's about Gay Cowboys.

Just never had the chance to see it. Never even caught it on cable.

I just heard it was a basic story of forbidden love. With, of course, the biggest deal being that it's between two men instead. I did, and still do, continue to hear great things about Heath's perfromance.

[CaptainClown]

Heath did a great job, but ya it is just some generic love story. I was hoping for more conflict considering it was very taboo. I was surely disappointed though. Oh well.

[Bathead]

Why you wanna bring the FF movie into this?


Punk.


:cmad:



:ff: :ff: :ff:

Well, I was merely using it as an example of using the word "gay" as a negative, I wasn't dissing the movie. I really liked the movie myself. Been an FF fan since the beginning.

[Franklin Richards]

Just hackin' on ya.


Chillax. :D


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[spideyboy_1111]

heres a good article from another insiders POV about last night

I arrived at the rally shortly before 9PM when the protest march was coming to an end. Apparently they had made a permitted loop around the neighborhood. A truck full of people from ANSWER LA parked in the middle of the street and started to play dance music. For a minute the atmosphere seemed more like a Pride Festival than a Protest. An anonymous shout from the crowd proclaimed that same thing causing the music to stop and the protest shouts to start up again. For about 10 minutes people wandered around not sure what to do with themselves until word about a march on Hollywood & Highland started to fill the air. We were going to march from Silver Lake to Hollywood! Thousands gathered. The police tried to drive thru the crowd and disperse us but the crowd would NOT let them pass. Several minutes passed with protesters stopping the cops. Then to my surprise the cops finally backed down and drove away. The march began again down Sunset Blvd. until the cops stopped us before reaching Fountain. We insisted on moving forward. We were not going anywhere! Finally a police officer in charge shouted to the crowd that he would let us march some more but that we needed to give him time to prepare the streets. The crowd wasn’t happy about having to wait but at least the cops were working with us rather than attacking us. Finally the crowd moved on down Sunset Blvd. through traffic and cheering people in their cars. Those annoyed or offended stayed in their cars with the windows up, staring forward with concentrated blinders on. We marched on until hitting Vermont Ave. where Riot Gear Officers were strategically placed to trap us and stop us from moving any further. I guess I suspected they were doing this. How could I possibly assume they were actually going to work with us? Twenty minutes pass in a standoff between protesters and the police. The crowd starts to trickle away. Finally an officer gets on his blow horn and says again that he needs more time to get the streets clear before we continue. The crowd cheers! But twenty more minutes pass and nothing is happening. The crowd has shrunk to a couple hundred people. Maybe that’s what the police intended to happen. It’s doubtful that they would let take over Hollywood on Saturday night! We had already backed-up traffic for miles in Silver Lake and Echo Park. Then more and more Riot Police started to show up and my heartbeat started to race. What was going to happen next?! Nothing.
Finally even I grew tired and went home. It seemed they never intended to let us march to Hollywood & Highland. But then again I haven’t heard yet what happened after I left.

Some signs I saw that I liked and slightly disturbed me:

You have 2 wives. Why can’t I have 1?

7 out of 10 African-Americans &
½ of Latino’s voted YES on PROP 8! WHY?!!!
I supported your civil rights!

**** the Mormon Church!

Jesus would protest with us!

I want what the chickens got!

[spideyboy_1111]

http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/11/radical-california-gays-lash-out-at.html



Oy when it comes to sucking at life, everyone is pretty good at it, gay straight black white brown yellow

Sorry, if this is true, then they were not "joining" the protest. there are SOOO many people of all different races at the rally and we've been VERY peaceful, no way would that of happened unless they were against us.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Some of those signs sounds like truth to me.

The problem, is ultimately the Bible. Because people ultimately take the good book to be the be all, end all for everyone...even if they're not "in" the religion.

It shouldn't be up to vote, though.

[BlackLantern]

There hasn't been much coverage here in the northeast....at least on none of the local news here

[spideyboy_1111]

I think there is a fear that if you have to justify your case you 'weaken' it because it's supposed to be self-evident.

Marriage is a contract where two people become one person in a number of legal meanings of the law. It grants each spouse joint rights over property and offspring.

That's basically it. Everything else is just a religious blessing ceremony. Except that, over time the church took the position that their blessing was the authorization of a wedding. In short, they took the position that they had to power to decide who could or could not marry.

the thing is, before Christianity and the church, there were still weddings. so the notion that it started that way is completely false.

[Anita18]

I dunno...I say it'd be fair for Gays to pay half of taxes if that's the deal the U.S. government wants to make. Seems fair...they pay less taxes since clearly...they're seens as less than an American citizen.

Course...if that was the deal on the table, we all know it's be green lit immediately...
Melissa Ethridge suggested that gays like her and Ellen DeGeneres should stop giving CA money in taxes, since they're second-class citizens. :woot:

^agree, Brokeback was really boring. With all the hype about it being about gay cowboys, I was hoping to see more cowboy love.
It was very slow-paced, but it wasn't really a love story, it was more like a quiet drama. The "lovey dovey" scenes probably counted for less than 5 or 10 minutes out of the whole thing. To me, it wasn't really about gay cowboys at all, but an observation of what happens to someone if they try to bottle up what they really want and who they really are.

[spideyboy_1111]

I thought Phoenix was the San Francisco of the Southwest :huh:

theres more lesbians in phoenix then gay guys, from what i've seen