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Yeah.. Imagine that.
"Larry King shot in head"
Captain Planet!
03-29-2008, 10:30 PM
Yeah.. Imagine that.
"Larry King shot in head"
:csad::pal::csad::meanie:
The guy didn't deserve to die, but he was asking for a lot of negative attention considering the way he dressed/acted.
GoldenAgeHero
03-29-2008, 10:40 PM
The guy didn't deserve to die, but he was asking for a lot of negative attention considering the way he dressed/acted.
i agree, I'm begining to think that there should be a proper dress code regardless of orientation.
Warhammer
03-29-2008, 10:51 PM
The guy didn't deserve to die, but he was asking for a lot of negative attention considering the way he dressed/acted.
I agree with this. He didn't deserve to die, but damn, he sure wasn't doing himself any favors. Sad news, nonetheless.
Meh. He was expressing himself.. if dudes can dress like "******s" then he could wear make-up and earrings.
Untilteld
03-29-2008, 10:55 PM
I'm 15, but straight, does that mean I get shanked?
Even if you get shanked your puffy shirt will protect you.
Warhammer
03-29-2008, 11:01 PM
Meh. He was expressing himself.. if dudes can dress like "******s" then he could wear make-up and earrings.
This is a touchy subject. The problem is that the world doesn't think like that. Dressing with the hair over the face, possibly some eye-liner, and tight pants is a current fad. Wearing high heels, make-up, and earrings isn't, so it is viewed as weird and abnormal. You dress like an emo, and there is another person doing the same thing five feet away from you in high school. You dress how this guy dressed, and you are probably alone.
GoldenAgeHero
03-29-2008, 11:05 PM
Meh. He was expressing himself.. if dudes can dress like "******s" then he could wear make-up and earrings.
expressing yourself goes to far. in this situation, its fine if you're gay, but you're an eigth grader, dressing like a chick.....thats just freakin retarded man, and if i was the principle at the school i would've sent his ass back home and change into appropriate clothing.
they didn't say he was wearing dresses or anything..
Just heels, make-up and ear-rings.. The only thing thats "weird" is the heels.
thedeadite
03-29-2008, 11:08 PM
I'm sure the kid knew that he was going to have to endure negative attention for the way he dressed, but that in no way means he should have to fear physical harm for it, let alone being killed. I think they're right when they say they need to start teaching kids more about discrimination. There's never any excuse for using any form of physical violence against someone because of the way they dress, sexual orientation, race, belief system etc..
Showtime
03-29-2008, 11:10 PM
The world has officially become unraveled. The kid got shot because of what he wore and what the shooter thought this represented...
15 Year Old: Shot in school for being gay.
That's gay.
The world has officially become unraveled. The kid got shot because of what he wore and what the shooter thought this represented...The Shooter shot him because he flirted with him.. I guess the shooter had some serious macho issues.
But seriously, messed up. :(
spike spiegel
03-29-2008, 11:12 PM
I'm sure the kid knew that he was going to have to endure negative attention for the way he dressed, but that in no way means he should have to fear physical harm for it, let alone being killed. I think they're right when they say they need to start teaching kids more about discrimination. There's never any excuse for using any form of physical violence against someone because of the way they dress, sexual orientation, race, belief system etc..
Well said.
Who cares what his orientation was? Or what he was wearing and whether or not he should have been wearing that? His life is over. He doesn't get to experience the rest of it, because someone behind a gun decided to end it.
odiin
03-29-2008, 11:34 PM
Yeah, well the killer's going to get pounded in the ass in prison for the rest of his life, so who gets the last laugh?
Ray-Fu
03-29-2008, 11:49 PM
Sometimes I think that all schools should just have uniforms...it would sure cut back on bullying and teasing and what not....might even get rid of the cliquey mentality too.
zanos
03-29-2008, 11:54 PM
There is nothing more disturbing than seeing a 15 year old cross dresser in junior high. He didn't deserve to die but I'm almost 100% positive he expected a beatdown at one point or another. This other kid just took it to another level by shooting him.
GoldenAgeHero
03-30-2008, 12:05 AM
Yeah, well the killer's going to get pounded in the ass in prison for the rest of his life, so who gets the last laugh?
the shooter.
he's still alive.
he'll get dinner.
free cable.
Recreation activity.
as for the pounding of the ass, thats something that 15 yr old will never get to experience.
Zing!...sorry:(
There is nothing more disturbing than seeing a 15 year old cross dresser in junior high. He didn't deserve to die but I'm almost 100% positive he expected a beatdown at one point or another. This other kid just took it to another level by shooting him.
I didn't think he was a "cross-dresser" he was basicly an emo in heals.
Master Chief
03-30-2008, 12:22 AM
I let people live how the want to live, and yeah, this sucks like all the other stories but I think there's a fine line between being proud you're gay and being all flamboyant then tossing yourself at people for poking fun. :huh:
StrainedEyes
03-30-2008, 12:27 AM
It's cool and all that he tried to stand up for himself, but flirting wasn't exactly the best way to do it. That is really asking for trouble when the people harassing you are doing it because your gay. He could have fought back in any number of ways that didn't instigate the trait the other guys hated.
No, he did not deserve to die, but he wasn't doing himself any favors.
odiin
03-30-2008, 12:28 AM
I let people live how the want to live, and yeah, this sucks like all the other stories but I think there's a fine line between being proud you're gay and being all flamboyant then tossing yourself at people for poking fun. :huh:
I agree. Who cares that they were bullying him, how DARE a gay guy act gay?? Clearly he deserved what was coming.
StrainedEyes
03-30-2008, 12:29 AM
I agree. Who cares that they were bullying him, how DARE a gay guy act gay?? Clearly he deserved what was coming.
I think you misinterpreted what MC said.
Master Chief
03-30-2008, 12:30 AM
I'm hoping that's what it was.
I agree. Who cares that they were bullying him, how DARE a gay guy act gay?? Clearly he deserved what was coming.
Yeah, coz all gays dress up and pamper their faces with blush. :whatever:
odiin
03-30-2008, 12:36 AM
They sure as hell have the right to if they want to.
StrainedEyes
03-30-2008, 12:40 AM
They sure as hell have the right to if they want to.
Not really, Schools do have dress codes and most do enforce them. It may hinder this kid's right to express himself, but a guy wearing heels and make up more than likely is against the rules. Just like a girl's skirt being too short, or t-shirts with cursing, nudity, and guns on them, or overly spiked collars or bracelets.
odiin
03-30-2008, 12:42 AM
Evidently it didn't, and that's all beside the point anyway.
StrainedEyes
03-30-2008, 12:43 AM
Nudists don't go to school nude.
StrainedEyes
03-30-2008, 12:46 AM
Either way, I wasn't talking about the heels or how he dressed.
Him fighting back with flirting was a stupid mistake. It's not reason for him to be killed but he instigated instead of being the better man about it.
odiin
03-30-2008, 12:47 AM
Oh don't play these stupid games. Of course no school is going to let you go naked, but unless you're going somewhere that already has uniforms, or is a private school there's probably not going to be any rule saying that you can't wear any make-up as a man or else all the eye-liner wearing emo kids the country over would be in deep trouble.
If emo-kids and "******s" can dress the way they do, the kid should have been allowed and shouldn't have gotten **** for wearing a nice pair of Stilettos and some eye-liner..
Were talking as if the kind showed up in a mini-skirt and thigh-highs.. it was a pair of shoes and some make-up..
But its still ****ty that this happened.. No one deserves to die because because they're different.
Shoemeister
03-30-2008, 12:50 AM
The guy didn't deserve to die, but he was asking for a lot of negative attention considering the way he dressed/acted.
I have to agree. But again, the kid didn't deserve death. Jeez.
Master Chief
03-30-2008, 12:50 AM
They sure as hell have the right to if they want to.
lol.
I'm guessing I'm so desensitized that I can see past the loss of a life here, but really, parading yourself around like that and s**t is just asking for it. That's exactly what I thought after reading how he dressed and acted. Did he have the right to act this way? Sure. Did he deserve to be killed for it? Hell no. I don't even think the way he dressed was the main reason behind his death.
I'm gonna backpedal here and just say it sucks. I was thinking exactly what the psychologist said when I read the first words of the article, considering their ages. I'm thinking he was genuinely infatuated with the shooter and whatnot, which makes it worse, but I'm just saying being out there about his sexuality wasn't helping as much as it was hurting. You can be proud of who you are without using it as a defense mechanism or showing it off blatantly through fashion.
odiin
03-30-2008, 12:52 AM
Either way, I wasn't talking about the heels or how he dressed.
Him fighting back with flirting was a stupid mistake. It's not reason for him to be killed but he instigated instead of being the better man about it.
Would you have had him fight them instead? He WAS being a better man about it. Using humour. He wouldn't genuinely be flirting people who were making fun of him. The murderer is completely and 100% at fault here. The guy who was killed is without blame. If you jokingly flirted with a girl who hated you and she killed you because of it would you have been "kind of asking for it?"
Master Chief
03-30-2008, 12:56 AM
Would you have had him fight them instead? He WAS being a better man about it. Using humour. He wouldn't genuinely be flirting people who were making fun of him. The murderer is completely and 100% at fault here. The guy who was killed is without blame. If you jokingly flirted with a girl who hated you and she killed you because of it would you have been "kind of asking for it?"
These are KIDS, they are not educated and are extremely ignorant and uninformed. He lashed out the way he did, even if only in retaliation because he knew it made the bullies uncomfortable.
Reports are never 100% accurate so I'm not sure whether or not he said what he said to the shooter was in kidding. Either way you seem to be thinking we're saying the shooter isn't guilty of something here, but that isn't the case.
odiin
03-30-2008, 12:59 AM
No. The guy who got shot was a kid, the guy who shot him is a monster. Most kids wouldn't pull out a gun and shoot someone for "flirting" with them.
Nell2ThaIzzay
03-30-2008, 12:59 AM
Sometimes I think that all schools should just have uniforms...it would sure cut back on bullying and teasing and what not....might even get rid of the cliquey mentality too.
nope, doesn't
You know.. I do what this kid did all the time.. Its called Sarcasm, you know:
"Hey, *** go suck a ****."
"Oh, why don't you just come over here and let me."
Its a good-way to counter without resorting to violence, but uh.. I guess in this day and age not even sarcasm is safe.
StrainedEyes
03-30-2008, 01:03 AM
You know.. I do what this kid did all the time.. Its called Sarcasm, you know:
"Hey, *** go suck a ****."
"Oh, why don't you just come over here and let me."
Its a good-way to counter without resorting to violence, but uh.. I guess in this day and age not even sarcasm is safe.
I just think that if a guy hates you because your gay, you flirting with him as retaliation is probably the worst thing you can do. Yes it would piss him off but not in the same way you making fun of his mom would. He obviously is uncomfortable with the idea of someone being gay and hates people who are gay, so acting gay towards him would just make him feel the need to Man-it up and not be turned gay by your voodoo.
Master Chief
03-30-2008, 01:05 AM
No. The guy who got shot was a kid, the guy who shot him is a monster. Most kids wouldn't pull out a gun and shoot someone for "flirting" with them.
You can't seem to grasp that kids are stupid and do crazy s**t when something makes them uncomfortable. :huh:
nope, doesn't
Yeah. Uniforms are only good for security purposes.
You know.. I do what this kid did all the time.. Its called Sarcasm, you know:
"Hey, *** go suck a ****."
"Oh, why don't you just come over here and let me."
Its a good-way to counter without resorting to violence, but uh.. I guess in this day and age not even sarcasm is safe.
DuUUUuuH.
Fights are no longer first one to hit the ground loses, it's to the death.
StrainedEyes
03-30-2008, 01:06 AM
Would you have had him fight them instead? He WAS being a better man about it. Using humour. He wouldn't genuinely be flirting people who were making fun of him. The murderer is completely and 100% at fault here. The guy who was killed is without blame. If you jokingly flirted with a girl who hated you and she killed you because of it would you have been "kind of asking for it?"
I specifically said it was no reason for him to be killed.
And believe it or not, there are more ways to retaliated than fight or flirt.
The Mad Titan
03-30-2008, 01:09 AM
Sometimes I think that all schools should just have uniforms...it would sure cut back on bullying and teasing and what not....might even get rid of the cliquey mentality too.
Nope, 4 years of Catholic School and I can tell you, dressing everybody alike is meaningless. People will find a reason to pick on somebody else no matter what. It's human nature.
Fights are no longer first one to hit the ground loses, it's to the death.We are now in the age of the Thunderdome.
Nell2ThaIzzay
03-30-2008, 01:15 AM
Yeah. Uniforms are only good for security purposes.
I don't even agree with that.
I went to a high school that had uniforms. What it didn't accomplish was decrease gang related fights or anything like that, which it was intended to do. The only decrease in gang violence came from the fact that gang violence in my entire AREA had decreased drastically over that period of time, and gangs simply weren't around that much anymore. But it didn't offer security to anyone. Girls still got pregnant, kids still did drugs, and groups still ganged up on people.
What it did do, was cause more trouble for the students than it was worth. I saw students get sent home from FINALS because they wore bauge pants instead of black - got taken out of class discussions because they didn't have a collar. It was absolutely ridiculous. The school's faculty was more concerned with what the kids were wearing, rather than the children's educations.
I am a firm believer that school uniforms do more harm than good. This kid getting killed is tragic, but if someone is willing to go the extent of murder because of sexual orientation, something tells me that a school uniform wouldn't have saved this kid's life.
Master Chief
03-30-2008, 01:17 AM
I don't even agree with that.
I went to a high school that had uniforms. What it didn't accomplish was decrease gang related fights or anything like that, which it was intended to do. The only decrease in gang violence came from the fact that gang violence in my entire AREA had decreased drastically over that period of time, and gangs simply weren't around that much anymore. But it didn't offer security to anyone. Girls still got pregnant, kids still did drugs, and groups still ganged up on people.
What it did do, was cause more trouble for the students than it was worth. I saw students get sent home from FINALS because they wore bauge pants instead of black - got taken out of class discussions because they didn't have a collar. It was absolutely ridiculous. The school's faculty was more concerned with what the kids were wearing, rather than the children's educations.
I am a firm believer that school uniforms do more harm than good. This kid getting killed is tragic, but if someone is willing to go the extent of murder because of sexual orientation, something tells me that a school uniform wouldn't have saved this kid's life.
I meant more in terms of spotting an intruder and whatnot, but yeah, strict uniform policies are stupid.
odiin
03-30-2008, 01:17 AM
I don't even agree with that.
I went to a high school that had uniforms. What it didn't accomplish was decrease gang related fights or anything like that, which it was intended to do. The only decrease in gang violence came from the fact that gang violence in my entire AREA had decreased drastically over that period of time, and gangs simply weren't around that much anymore. But it didn't offer security to anyone. Girls still got pregnant, kids still did drugs, and groups still ganged up on people.
What it did do, was cause more trouble for the students than it was worth. I saw students get sent home from FINALS because they wore bauge pants instead of black - got taken out of class discussions because they didn't have a collar. It was absolutely ridiculous. The school's faculty was more concerned with what the kids were wearing, rather than the children's educations.
I am a firm believer that school uniforms do more harm than good. This kid getting killed is tragic, but if someone is willing to go the extent of murder because of sexual orientation, something tells me that a school uniform wouldn't have saved this kid's life.
Seconded.
Spider-Kid
03-30-2008, 02:31 AM
What an emo story. :(
This is f**king retarded, should he ever even had been taken the mick?
zanos
03-30-2008, 03:04 AM
I don't even agree with that.
I went to a high school that had uniforms. What it didn't accomplish was decrease gang related fights or anything like that, which it was intended to do. The only decrease in gang violence came from the fact that gang violence in my entire AREA had decreased drastically over that period of time, and gangs simply weren't around that much anymore. But it didn't offer security to anyone. Girls still got pregnant, kids still did drugs, and groups still ganged up on people.
What it did do, was cause more trouble for the students than it was worth. I saw students get sent home from FINALS because they wore bauge pants instead of black - got taken out of class discussions because they didn't have a collar. It was absolutely ridiculous. The school's faculty was more concerned with what the kids were wearing, rather than the children's educations.
I am a firm believer that school uniforms do more harm than good. This kid getting killed is tragic, but if someone is willing to go the extent of murder because of sexual orientation, something tells me that a school uniform wouldn't have saved this kid's life.
He wasn't killed because of sexual orientation. The lack of gun control and his open gayness was what did him in. You dont go up to a straight 14 year old boy and profess your gay love for him joking or not.
Well, when someone was making fun of him first then he says it sarcastically, uhh.. that doesn't give anyone the right to take a few pounds off his shoulders.
zanos
03-30-2008, 03:25 AM
No one actually said that the killer made fun of him.
Regardless, the logical response isn’t to stow away a gun and put two bullets in your classmate’s cranium. That’s just sick, and there’s no excuse for it.
Well, I don't really ****ing care, a gay kid has the same right to flirt as a straight kid does, I'm sure you've flirted with a few people and they were uncomfortable but they never showed up the next day and shot you in the ****ing head..
Majik1387
03-30-2008, 04:06 AM
what eigth grader comes to school dressed up in makeup, highheels, and earrings? damn in the hood thats a beatdown.
..im sorry but thats ****in retarded.
The guy didn't deserve to die, but he was asking for a lot of negative attention considering the way he dressed/acted.
I agree with this. He didn't deserve to die, but damn, he sure wasn't doing himself any favors. Sad news, nonetheless.
I let people live how the want to live, and yeah, this sucks like all the other stories but I think there's a fine line between being proud you're gay and being all flamboyant then tossing yourself at people for poking fun. :huh:
It's cool and all that he tried to stand up for himself, but flirting wasn't exactly the best way to do it. That is really asking for trouble when the people harassing you are doing it because your gay. He could have fought back in any number of ways that didn't instigate the trait the other guys hated.
No, he did not deserve to die, but he wasn't doing himself any favors.
Jesus christ, that the hell is wrong with you people? :huh:
I agree, saying 'he wasn't doing himself any favours by dressing like that' is enraging. Who cares how he dressed? That doesn't give anyone any reason to make fun of him or kill him, for that matter.
Bigots are effed!
Spider-Kid
03-30-2008, 06:30 AM
Well, when someone was making fun of him first then he says it sarcastically, uhh.. that doesn't give anyone the right to take a few pounds off his shoulders.
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True. :(
jaymes_e06
03-30-2008, 08:30 AM
My question is why is the media trying to convey that it is in some way the childs fault?
"He deserved it because he flirted with them." type situation. That is horrible journalism.
CorpusBlack
03-30-2008, 08:50 AM
Well, I don't really ****ing care, a gay kid has the same right to flirt as a straight kid does, I'm sure you've flirted with a few people and they were uncomfortable but they never showed up the next day and shot you in the ****ing head..
:up: :up: :up: :up: :up:
SapphirePrima
03-30-2008, 10:25 AM
This is the boy who they did the big PSA for right?
Anyway no one deserves this. Wasn't this the country founded for people to do what they believed and not to do what others demanded them to do? Sure he was gay, if the kids didn't like it they should have left him alone, or pretended he didn't exist. :down:
Another thing so if a boy can't wear high heels to school then a girl shouldn't be able to wear baggy clothes and a jersey, right?
cerealkiller182
03-30-2008, 11:24 AM
I cant believe how many people think he was asking for it or he brought it on himself! What the hell is wrong with you people?
Master Chief
03-30-2008, 11:31 AM
I'm not saying he deserved it, what the f**k. :huh: I'm saying considering their ages, their immaturity, acting the way he acted possibly made things worse. Again, look to what the psychologist said. If anything those feelings were only intensified by how he portrayed himself. And not even that, but throwing himself at other guys? Chasing them. Seriously.
In no way does this justify double tapping, but whatever, that's just what I think about this BS.
cerealkiller182
03-30-2008, 12:09 PM
Theres nothing to consider. The kid died for no reason.
Everyone just dresses up their words to say that this kid had no business dressing the way he did when thats not the issue. It was the fact that he was shot. If he was reprimanded by a teacher than you can prolly bring up the psycho babble but not for murder
BlackLantern
03-30-2008, 01:51 PM
Jesus christ, that the hell is wrong with you people? :huh:
Most here have never known the touch of a woman......or a man.....or want to touch a man but can't admit it to themselves...
Jesus christ, that the hell is wrong with you people? :huh:
I find it very disturbing that people in here are not taking this seriously and are making jokes about it. It's no wonder things like what happened to Larry King and (Matthew Shepherd several years ago) happen. It makes me sick. You all need to learn some respect.
BlackLantern
03-30-2008, 02:02 PM
I remember when I first heard about Matt Shepherd...it was like "how can people be that ****ed up?"
StrainedEyes
03-30-2008, 02:03 PM
I find it very disturbing that people in here are not taking this seriously and are making jokes about it. It's no wonder things like what happened to Larry King and (Matthew Shepherd a several years ago) happen. It makes me sick. You all need to learn some respect.
Yes, because all of us are just waiting for that one flamboyant gay guy near us so we can go all psycho on them. Cause we're just like the people commiting these crimes and totally approve of it when it happens. :whatever:
Yes, because all of us are just waiting for that one flamboyant gay guy near us so we can go all psycho on them. Cause we're just like the people commiting these crimes and totally approve of it when it happens. :whatever:
Making jokes about something like this isn't right. I would hope that you would know that. There is such a message of hate and intolerance in this country...it's ridiculous. When kids that young have somehow gotten the message that it's ok to kill another kid because they're different, the message needs to be changed.
Majik1387
03-30-2008, 02:49 PM
The whole thing of saying "dressing like that didn't help him any/he was asking for it" just shows me that you guys are just pathetic wastes of humanity.
Try using compassion for once, because saying what the bold says does nothing but support the killer.
I didn't know by wearing heels and blush you were asking to be shoot.
Logic. Use it.
BlackLantern
03-30-2008, 02:57 PM
Yes, because all of us are just waiting for that one flamboyant gay guy near us so we can go all psycho on them. Cause we're just like the people commiting these crimes and totally approve of it when it happens. :whatever:
Maybe you have a lot of people out there who are so afraid of their feelings. They think they "might be gay" so they lash out at anything, any implication or suggestion, that would imply it.
Gilpesh
03-30-2008, 03:11 PM
That should teach that black kid to whistle at a white woman....
Wait... who are we supposed to be hating in this thread?
:dry:
GoldenAgeHero
03-30-2008, 03:20 PM
Jesus christ, that the hell is wrong with you people? :huh:
nothing is wrong with me how about you?
BlackLantern
03-30-2008, 03:23 PM
what's wrong with you:huh:
I don't think I'm in the wrong for thinking it's retarded for an eigth grader to be dressed that way regardless of sexual orientation...it's just ****ing retarded. Do that **** in your own home or anywhere else. When your in school and dressing that way you're creating a uncomfortable environment for others around you.. it's pretty disruptive imo.
Its only disruptive when the people around said person are immature and irresponsible cretins....
I find pants around your knees and boxers up to your chest and a shirt so big it could be a parachute and more fake gold chains than a New York pawn shop distractive yet its "socially acceptible."
Addendum
03-30-2008, 03:25 PM
In the graphic novel Persepolis, the author Marjane Satrapi tells us about growing up in Iran before, during and after the Iranian Revolution. When she was older and in college, she started to run to catch the bus as she was going to be late for a doctor's appointment. A voice started booming over the loudspeakers telling the woman (Marjane) to stop running. She stopped and 2 guards approached her. One of them told her that her running was unladylike as it was making the men uncomfortable due to the movement of her posterior, even though she was wearing the proper dress for a woman. She then yelled at the guard "Then quit looking at my ass!!!" and went on her way.
So if some guy is wearing high heels and makeup, and it's making you uncomfortable, then quit looking at him.
Majik1387
03-30-2008, 03:27 PM
nothing is wrong with me how about you?
Nice edit. I see you cut out the part where you try justifying the motive for the murder.:whatever:
GoldenAgeHero
03-30-2008, 03:27 PM
well it is the eighth grade, no one in eighth are mature for anything.
BlackLantern
03-30-2008, 03:29 PM
well it is the eighth grade, no one in eighth are mature for anything.
Then its a question of upbringing....I was raised to behave myself when I went to school, if I didn't and my mom heard about it she usually wore my a$$ out.....
GoldenAgeHero
03-30-2008, 03:30 PM
Nice edit. I see you cut out the part where you try justifying the motive for the murder.:whatever:
well black lantern quoted me, where did i justify killing him? seriously get the hell of your pedastal.
I'm just saying the way he dressed seemed disruptive to me. thats it, if you want to read what you want to read thats fine with me but don't go around assuming i said something else.
GoldenAgeHero
03-30-2008, 03:32 PM
I find pants around your knees and boxers up to your chest and a shirt so big it could be a parachute and more fake gold chains than a New York pawn shop distractive yet its "socially acceptible."
well until you find someone who dresses like that in a workplace or at school, and haven't been sent home because of it then pm and tell me about it.
How was he disruptive.. it just says heels, make-up, and earrings. It would have been disruptive if he were in a dress or a pair of blazing pink Hot-pants.. other than that he was just an emo in heels.
BS. It is never alright to hurt or murder people because they're gay and/or eccentric. The shooter deserves the worst the bastard can get.
well until you find someone who dresses like that in a workplace or at school, and haven't been sent home because of it then pm and tell me about it.
you haven't been to a Cleveland area High School..
Nell2ThaIzzay
03-30-2008, 03:36 PM
I don't agree with homosexuality, but I am tolerant of it. I don't understand the obsession with it. It's a private matter between 2 people. If they are of the same sex, I don't see how it affects the rest of society. Gay-hatred bothers me. I work with a gay guy at my work, and he and I joke about it all the time. It's ridiculous the mentality towards gay people.
With that said, I am a little -less- tolerant towards cross dressing. I don't like, agree with, or anything of the sort, a man dressing up with women's clothing - i.e. high heels, make up, blouses, dresses, etc. You are a male, be a male. You're not a "woman trapped in a man's body", you are a male. Period. End of subject.
But, gay, cross dresser, trans gender, whatever the hell people are, none of that warrants physical attacks. Attacking somebody verbally, or physically - murder, none of that becomes "okay" because you don't like the way a person lives or dresses. I don't like the guy that used to come into my old work wearing women's wigs, make up, dresses, and high heels - and just as he has a right to do that, I have a right to not like it. But even with that, I could not imagine ever putting a bullet into his head. And this guy DID flirt with me. And yes, I was uncomfortable.
I'm sorry, saying that he was asking for it because of the way he dressed? Do you condone rape too if a girl is wearing a skirt? Or a low cut top? Get a grip. I have been the target of uncomfortable gay flirting on more than one occassion, and no, I don't like it - I'm not gay, and I don't agree with homosexuality. But life goes on. If you don't like the actions made by some people, then don't bring those people into your social circles. If they force their way in, ignore them, or tell them to go **** off. But to actually go to the point of putting a bullet in someone's head over that is just sickening.
BlackLantern
03-30-2008, 03:36 PM
well until you find someone who dresses like that in a workplace or at school, and haven't been sent home because of it then pm and tell me about it.
Go to any inner city public school.....its just easier to keep the kids in school, because if they are sent home they won't come back....
ActuallyRobin
03-30-2008, 03:39 PM
This kinda stuff makes me livid, and I'm not easily aggravated. You don't like how someone lives their life? well suck it up and deal with it. end of
GoldenAgeHero
03-30-2008, 03:43 PM
How was he disruptive.. it just says heels, make-up, and earrings. It would have been disruptive if he were in a dress or a pair of blazing pink Hot-pants.. other than that he was just an emo in heels.
dude when you go around dressed as a chick wearing a dress or not, and that solicits negative or positive reaction from others(in this case negative)..thats considered disruptive. Unless you have another definition of disruptive I've never heard of.
anyways MY point is that the way he dressed seemed inappropriate and got him negative attention. Some of you might bring up the whole expressing yourself BS argument.
but Kids get sent home for wearing an F.U. T-shirt at school, sometimes expressing yourself isn't a great reason to do what you do.
but whatever.
Majik1387
03-30-2008, 03:45 PM
well black lantern quoted me, where did i justify killing him? seriously get the hell of your pedastal.
I'm just saying the way he dressed seemed disruptive to me. thats it, if you want to read what you want to read thats fine with me but don't go around assuming i said something else.
I'm not assuming anything, I'm calling you and others out on supporting the motive for the kid's murder.
And even when you tried denying it, you again support the murderer's motive.
well until you find someone who dresses like that in a workplace or at school, and haven't been sent home because of it then pm and tell me about it.
Have you gone to middle/high school nowadays?
I'm sorry, saying that he was asking for it because of the way he dressed? Do you condone rape too if a girl is wearing a skirt? Or a low cut top? Get a grip. I have been the target of uncomfortable gay flirting on more than one occassion, and no, I don't like it - I'm not gay, and I don't agree with homosexuality. But life goes on. If you don't like the actions made by some people, then don't bring those people into your social circles. If they force their way in, ignore them, or tell them to go **** off. But to actually go to the point of putting a bullet in someone's head over that is just sickening.
Thank you.
GoldenAgeHero
03-30-2008, 03:50 PM
Go to any inner city public school.....its just easier to keep the kids in school, because if they are sent home they won't come back....
heh I'm from an inner city school, sure not as ghetto but I've never seen anyone dressed the way noir described it. and I'm pretty sure if they get sent home and don't come back ...then they didn't want to be there in the first place and probably would've ended up dropping out anyways.
and Blacklantern you telling me your Boss would'nt have sent you home , if you showed wearing baggy jeans,gold jewelry,etc? Do any of you think A high powered business firm would tolerate someone working for them wearing baggy jeans,gold jewelry to the point where clients see it as unattractive? really?!
I need to end up working where you guys work at.
BlackLantern
03-30-2008, 03:55 PM
heh I'm from an inner city school, sure not as ghetto but I've never seen anyone dressed the way noir described it. and I'm pretty sure if they get sent home and don't come back ...then they didn't want to be there in the first place and probably would've ended up dropping out anyways.
and Blacklantern you telling me your Boss would'nt have sent you home , if you showed wearing baggy jeans,gold jewelry,etc? Do any of you think A high powered business firm would tolerate someone working for them wearing baggy jeans,gold jewelry to the point where clients see it as unattractive? really?!
I need to end up working where you guys work at.
I know better than to show up for work dressed like a clown.....as do most people who have a full-time job....the point is...the kids' style of dress does not warrant physical or verbal violence....and if the teachers' or school staff felt he was being disruptive, it was their responsibility to resolve the situation.
Addendum
03-30-2008, 04:00 PM
And in the article, the superintendent said that the dress code prohibits only those items that could pose a safety threat. Other than that, he was free to wear women's accesories with his school uniform.
GoldenAgeHero
03-30-2008, 04:08 PM
I'm not assuming anything, I'm calling you and others out on supporting the motive for the kid's murder.
And even when you tried denying it, you again support the murderer's motive.
Nope sorry, that isn't going to work, i want you to actually point out where I said "he deserved to get shot for dressing that way" or "he was asking for it, for dressing that way."
the only thing you'll ever find is that i said the way he dressed seemed disruptive.
where in the world in that message, do you read he deserved to get shot for dressing that way?
do you know the killer's motive? sounds to me like your assuming thats what it was. and If your assuming something thats hasn't been proven..well you're just assuming, aren't you?
you're honestly making an ass out of yourself,assuming something i said,when i didn't.
Have you gone to middle/high school nowadays?
yes i have,I've seen none of that and I've been to alot of black schools.
the middle school I went to would've either confiscated all the jewelry or send you backhome for not dressing properly.
All in all my sole complaint was the way he dressed seemed disruptive, if you want to assume "he deserved to get shot for dressing that way" from what i said, then you need better comprehension skills.
GoldenAgeHero
03-30-2008, 04:11 PM
I know better than to show up for work dressed like a clown.....as do most people who have a full-time job....the point is...the kids' style of dress does not warrant physical or verbal violence....and if the teachers' or school staff felt he was being disruptive, it was their responsibility to resolve the situation.
Again thats not my point nor has it ever been.
and I agree with other parts your posts.
Addendum
03-30-2008, 04:11 PM
Disruptive or not, it was allowed by the dress code
BlackLantern
03-30-2008, 04:12 PM
All in all my sole complaint was the way he dressed seemed disruptive, if you want to assume "he deserved to get shot for dressing that way" from what i said, then you need better comprehension skills.
and I would point out that it is only disruptive to those who are immature, ignorant, intolerant, or all three.....
cerealkiller182
03-30-2008, 04:14 PM
All in all my sole complaint was the way he dressed seemed disruptive, if you want to assume "he deserved to get shot for dressing that way" from what i said, then you need better comprehension skills.
You're saying that the way he dressed was disruptive because some guy shot him. And you are blaming his style of dress for bringing "negative reaction."
anyways MY point is that the way he dressed seemed inappropriate and got him negative attention.
Are you saying he deserved it? No! But you are saying he brought it on himself, which is not true at all.
GoldenAgeHero
03-30-2008, 04:15 PM
Disruptive or not, it was allowed by the dress code
yeah I read your post the first time. you would think stuff like that would be..... oh well.
Addendum
03-30-2008, 04:21 PM
and I would point out that it is only disruptive to those who are immature, ignorant, intolerant, or all three.....
I agree
Master Chief
03-30-2008, 04:23 PM
The whole thing of saying "dressing like that didn't help him any/he was asking for it" just shows me that you guys are just pathetic wastes of humanity.
Try using compassion for once, because saying what the bold says does nothing but support the killer.
I'm not supporting the killer, I was just looking at why this happened.
"Waste of humanity" is a little strong there. :whatever:
Keep it simplified for yourselves though.
Yeah, the kid got killed, it's a shame.
Saying his style had nothing to do with it...lol, I'm not even going to bother anymore.
These are kids.
and I would point out that it is only disruptive to those who are immature, ignorant, intolerant, or all three.....
Thank you for a perfect quote. Kids are all 3 to the power of 100.
Yeah, I'm a waste of humanity because I can't say I truly care about this abstract idea of a Larry King I pulled from this article. But if I looked hard enough I could probably write up a list longer than 2 phone books, and this wouldn't make the top 10.
GoldenAgeHero
03-30-2008, 04:24 PM
You're saying that the way he dressed was disruptive because some guy shot him.
And you are blaming his style of dress for bringing "negative reaction."
damn, does anyone in these forums have any reading comprehension?! I never said that nor do any of my posts imply what i just bolded in your post.
my sole complaint was the way he dressed, there are no connections between that and me saying he got shot because of it.
you guys need to read.
and yes his style of dress did cause negative reaction...he got teased for it---did he not?..is that not disruptive? whether he was shot for it is unknown...none of you know the real reason he was shot, so stop assuming it was.
GoldenAgeHero
03-30-2008, 04:26 PM
You're saying that the way he dressed was disruptive because some guy shot him.
And you are blaming his style of dress for bringing "negative reaction."
damn, does anyone in these forums have any reading comprehension?! I never said that nor do any of my posts imply what i just bolded in your post.
my sole complaint was the way he dressed, there are no connections between that and me saying he got shot because of it.
you guys need to read.
and yes his style of dress did cause negative reaction...he got teased for it---did he not?..is that not disruptive? whether he was shot for it is unknown...none of you know the real reason he was shot, so stop assuming it was.
cerealkiller182
03-30-2008, 04:27 PM
I'm not supporting the killer, I was just looking at why this happened.
"Waste of humanity" is a little strong there. :whatever:
Keep it simplified for yourselves though.
Yeah, the kid got killed, it's a shame.
Saying his style had nothing to do with it...lol, I'm not even going to bother anymore.
These are kids.
Thank you for a perfect quote. Kids are all 3 to the power of 100.
Yeah, I'm a waste of humanity because I can't say I truly care about this abstract idea of a Larry King I pulled from this article. But if I looked hard enough I could probably write up a list longer than 2 phone books, and this wouldn't make the top 10.
But the clothes arnt to blame. The killers completely illogical reaction to them is. People are saying the kid brought it on himself and made himself a target. Thats like saying the kids at Columbine died because they didnt cut class.
They died because some jackass with a gun shot them.
Majik1387
03-30-2008, 04:27 PM
Nope sorry, that isn't going to work, i want you to actually point out where I said "he deserved to get shot for dressing that way" or "he was asking for it, for dressing that way."
the only thing you'll ever find is that i said the way he dressed seemed disruptive.
where in the world in that message, do you read he deserved to get shot for dressing that way?Probly the post where you said how he dressed is reason enough for a beatdown.:whatever:
Plus the posts where you keep saying where he dressed like a retard that was the problem.:whatever:
[quore]do you know the killer's motive? sounds to me like your assuming thats what it was. and If your assuming something thats hasn't been proven..well you're just assuming, aren't you?[/quote]
The kid's motive is pretty clear if you have comprehension skills.:huh:
you're honestly making an ass out of yourself,assuming something i said,when i didn't.
Nah, you just have your head stuck up your ass where you can't even see what you've said.
yes i have,I've seen none of that and I've been to alot of black schools.
Who said anything about black schools? :huh:
Black kids are not the only dumbasses trying to wear gangsta boy/thug looking clothing.
the middle school I went to would've either confiscated all the jewelry or send you backhome for not dressing properly.
Yet I'm sure there were still the thug wannabe's attending class trying to be all hard.
All in all my sole complaint was the way he dressed seemed disruptive, if you want to assume "he deserved to get shot for dressing that way" from what i said, then you need better comprehension skills.
What you said is pretty clear, especially with your history of your stance on homosexuality on these boards.
BlackLantern
03-30-2008, 04:30 PM
These are kids.
Thank you for a perfect quote. Kids are all 3 to the power of 100.
Yeah, I'm a waste of humanity because I can't say I truly care about this abstract idea of a Larry King I pulled from this article. But if I looked hard enough I could probably write up a list longer than 2 phone books, and this wouldn't make the top 10.
Kids without proper upbringing are all 3 to the power of 100. Considering how horrible parents are these days, I don't find something like this surprising.
cerealkiller182
03-30-2008, 04:34 PM
damn, does anyone in these forums have any reading comprehension?! I never said that nor do any of my posts imply what i just bolded in your post.
my sole complaint was the way he dressed, there are no connections between that and me saying he got shot because of it.
you guys need to read.
and yes his style of dress did cause negative reaction...he got teased for it---did he not?..is that not disruptive? whether he was shot for it is unknown...none of you know the real reason he was shot, so stop assuming it was.
The kids who are teasing him are the disruptive ones not the other way around
Fred_Fury
03-30-2008, 04:42 PM
sounds like something that would happen in Iran, not America.
Master Chief
03-30-2008, 04:44 PM
Kids without proper upbringing are all 3 to the power of 100. Considering how horrible parents are these days, I don't find something like this surprising.
Yeah, that's why I generalized.
Usually they're more tolerant however.
But the clothes arnt to blame. The killers completely illogical reaction to them is. People are saying the kid brought it on himself and made himself a target. Thats like saying the kids at Columbine died because they didnt cut class.
They died because some jackass with a gun shot them.
I was in no way denying how illogical this is, I'm just saying his portrayal didn't help none.
jaymes_e06
03-30-2008, 04:52 PM
damn, does anyone in these forums have any reading comprehension?! I never said that nor do any of my posts imply what i just bolded in your post.
my sole complaint was the way he dressed, there are no connections between that and me saying he got shot because of it.
you guys need to read.
and yes his style of dress did cause negative reaction...he got teased for it---did he not?..is that not disruptive? whether he was shot for it is unknown...none of you know the real reason he was shot, so stop assuming it was.
That's actually a good point. We don't know if it had to do with any of the reasons given in the previous pages.
I want to also reitorate we are allowed to have our own opinions about things. Forcing people to see things our way goes against what the boy stood for. He had a different view on the world and who he was. Let's honor that and respect others views even if we think they are misguided. :yay:
well it is the eighth grade, no one in eighth are mature for anything.
As was stated before, it then goes to your upbringing. Somehow this boy got the message that its ok to kill someone else for being different. If you look at the way gays are treated in this society - it's sickening. Gays have become the scapegoats for everything. Look at the kinds of jokes people say (some if this very thread,) look at tv and the movies. Being gay is not funny, it's not a joke. I fail to see how someone came to the conclusion that it is.
Golgo-13
03-30-2008, 04:54 PM
There was this guy at my college that used to dress up like a woman. Was he teased for it? Probably. He wasn't in any of my classes, but he sure got alot of stares walking around campus. Hell, even i couldn't help but stare with a "wtf?" look on my face the first time i saw him.
The guy in the article asked to be teased. I'm sorry, it's wrong but we all know it's a fact. If he believed that he could express himself like that and not be teased then, well, he is truly naive. If i go to school everyday dressed up as a circus clown, how can i be pissed at ppl for staring and commenting on it?
This is another reason why i've always believed that all public school kids middle, and high school, should be forced to wear uniforms. Yes, we are taking away ppl's rights to express themselves, but were talking about minors; they'll get these rights when they're 18 like other rights they get when they're responsible enough to handle them. If taking away these rights saves just a few kids from being bullied, then i say wtf is the problem with uniforms in public schools?
cerealkiller182
03-30-2008, 04:56 PM
I was in no way denying how illogical this is, I'm just saying his portrayal didn't help none.
You're still laying blame on him. His portrayal shouldnt have mattered
There was this guy at my college that used to dress up like a woman. Was he teased for it? Probably. He wasn't in any of my classes, but he sure got alot of stares walking around campus. Hell, even i couldn't help but stare with a "wtf?" look on my face the first time i saw him.
The guy in the article asked to be teased. I'm sorry, it's wrong but we all know it's a fact. If he believed that he could express himself like that and not be teased then, well, he is truly naive. If i go to school everyday dressed up as a circus clown, how can i be pissed at ppl for staring and commenting on it?
This is another reason why i've always believed that all public school kids middle, and high school, should be forced to wear uniforms. Yes, we are taking away ppl's rights to express themselves, but were talking about minors; they'll get these rights when they're 18 like other rights they get when they're responsible enough to handle them. If taking away these rights saves just a few kids from being bullied, then i say wtf is the problem with uniforms in public schools?
It's not asking to be teased for wanting to be who you are. Any suggestion that this boy asked for this, or deserved this, is completely ignorant.
Addendum
03-30-2008, 04:58 PM
Bullying will always happen no matter what the kids wear
GoldenAgeHero
03-30-2008, 04:58 PM
Probly the post where you said how he dressed is reason enough for a beatdown.:whatever:
o0o0o0 no,no,no. See you just assumed again. Lets travel back in time to the original post.
"what eighth grader comes to school dressed up in makeup, highheels, and earrings? damn in the hood thats a beatdown."
I don't know where your from Majick but this is the sad truth of the world you live in. In the middle east not going out with a dude at your side can get you stoned,not wearing a vale can get you stoned or killed. and believe me in the hood, dressing like that will get you killed or recieve a serious beatdown. people do stupid **** for no reason.
But you missed one thing, no where in that post did i say he deserved it or did i say it was a good reason for him to get shot. I don't condone anything that dude did to king. So please remove your head from out your ass.
you assumed. lets say it again, You assumed.
Plus the posts where you keep saying where he dressed like a retard that was the problem.:whatever:
ok,fine I can see how that was very insensitive of me and I should've known better and showed some compassion. and to be clear i never said he was a retard for dressing that way, just it was retarded for an eighth grader to dress that way.
[quore]do you know the killer's motive? sounds to me like your assuming thats what it was. and If your assuming something thats hasn't been proven..well you're just assuming, aren't you?
The kid's motive is pretty clear if you have comprehension skills.:huh:
No it isn't clear, was he shot because of the way he dressed? was it because King hit on the dude? or was it because he was gay in general? you don't know and you should stop assuming you do.
Nah, you just have your head stuck up your ass where you can't even see what you've said.
I've seen exactly what I've said. you obviously haven't.
Who said anything about black schools? :huh:
Black kids are not the only dumbasses trying to wear gangsta boy/thug looking clothing.
black,latino, whatever I haven't seen any of the hardcore thugish types at the school's I've been too.
Yet I'm sure there were still the thug wannabe's attending class trying to be all hard.
What you said is pretty clear, especially with your history of your stance on homosexuality on these boards.[/quote]
So because I don't agree with homosexuality, you assume I think it's okay for someone to get killed over it. Now who's showing their ignorance.
damn,assumption does make an ass out of people.
cerealkiller182
03-30-2008, 04:59 PM
There was this guy at my college that used to dress up like a woman. Was he teased for it? Probably. He wasn't in any of my classes, but he sure got alot of stares walking around campus. Hell, even i couldn't help but stare with a "wtf?" look on my face the first time i saw him.
The guy in the article asked to be teased. I'm sorry, it's wrong but we all know it's a fact. If he believed that he could express himself like that and not be teased then, well, he is truly naive. If i go to school everyday dressed up as a circus clown, how can i be pissed at ppl for staring and commenting on it?
This is another reason why i've always believed that all public school kids middle, and high school, should be forced to wear uniforms. Yes, we are taking away ppl's rights to express themselves, but were talking about minors; they'll get these rights when they're 18 like other rights they get when they're responsible enough to handle them. If taking away these rights saves just a few kids from being bullied, then i say wtf is the problem with uniforms in public schools?
By creating uniforms you ignore bullies instead of teaching them the immorality of it. They will just find something else to bully you for.
If you dress like a woman or a clown I assume its because it makes you comfortable. Obviously its not an everyday occurrence so yes it'll be awkward. That doesnt justify any negative action toward these people
Master Chief
03-30-2008, 05:00 PM
You're still laying blame on him. His portrayal shouldnt have mattered
It shouldn't have, I know! I'm just... these are KIDS, holy crap ,lol , running in goddamn circles.
lol, ok, this is clearly a 2 sided thing and for some reason I can't get what I'm saying across, and you probably feel the same way.
He dressed outside of what is considered normal.
Saying otherwise is being blind.
Golgo-13 put it best, aight, I'm frikin' DOnE with this thread because it's f**king pointless.
Majik1387
03-30-2008, 05:01 PM
And uniforms are irrelevant to teasing. If it's not about the kid's clothes, there will always be something else that kids will tease about, so taking away the kid's freedom to express themselves with clothing is ridiculous.
GoldenAgeHero
03-30-2008, 05:02 PM
Bullying will always happen no matter what the kids wear
I disgaree. you're telling me a gay crossdessing kid is less likely to get teased and bullied then a fat kid? I don't see it....I just don't.
cerealkiller182
03-30-2008, 05:02 PM
Being kids and being outside everyday occurrence is no justification
Golgo-13
03-30-2008, 05:02 PM
Bullying will always happen no matter what the kids wear
True. But with uniforms, you'll eliminate at least a fraction of those that can't afford to wear the latest fashion, being bullied by those that can.
Plus alot of these school shootings that we see on the news are usually started by teasing or disassociation from those that dress weird/differently.
Addendum
03-30-2008, 05:02 PM
So what if he didn't dress normal
Golgo-13
03-30-2008, 05:04 PM
By creating uniforms you ignore bullies instead of teaching them the immorality of it. They will just find something else to bully you for.
If you dress like a woman or a clown I assume its because it makes you comfortable. Obviously its not an everyday occurrence so yes it'll be awkward. That doesnt justify any negative action toward these people
Teaching them at what expense? The expense of someone being killed? It's not worth it.
Yes bullying will always happen, but by having kids in uniform you'll eliminate ONE of the causes for it.
cerealkiller182
03-30-2008, 05:06 PM
Teaching them at what expense? The expense of someone being killed? It's not worth it.
Yes bullying will always happen, but by having kids in uniform you'll eliminate ONE of the causes for it.
You dont eliminate it, you ignore it. then when they leave that school they wont know how to react to it
Golgo-13
03-30-2008, 05:07 PM
So what if he didn't dress normal
Unfortunately, he might still be alive. Goes to show that those that say trivial things like adding uniforms to school won't make a difference, really do.
I'd like to know if this kids dressed this way outside of school, or was he just rebelling against the school system, if you will....?
Addendum
03-30-2008, 05:08 PM
I disgaree. you're telling me a gay crossdessing kid is less likely to get teased and bullied then a fat kid? I don't see it....I just don't.
For one talking about others reading comprehension, you showed that yours is lacking.
Kids bullying other kids will always happen. It doesn't matter what clothes they wear, how much they weigh, the haircut they have, how they talk, how they smell, how tall they are, how short they are, what team they like, what team they don't, what band or music they like or not, or whatever asinine reason some pathetic child thinks up. Bullying will end when the last 2 people on earth die.
That's what I'm saying and telling you, so I'm looking forward to see how you'll fail to grasp that
Unfortunately, he might still be alive. Goes to show that those that say trivial things like adding uniforms to school won't make a difference, really do.
I'd like to know if this kids dressed this way outside of school, or was he just rebelling against the school system, if you will....?
You're kidding right?
Addendum
03-30-2008, 05:10 PM
I'd like to know if this kids dressed this way outside of school, or was he just rebelling against the school system, if you will....?
If he was rebelling against the dress code, then he would have worn the girls uniform.
The entire point of rebelling is doing something that is against the rules. It's not doing something that is allowed under the rules
Golgo-13
03-30-2008, 05:12 PM
You dont eliminate it, you ignore it. then when they leave that school they wont know how to react.
Well if ignoring for the time being will allow kids to keep there minds on other things like their education, what's so wrong with it?
You can't honestly say that every little thing that you know in heart to be right and wrong has to be taught to you......? Somethings ppl just know. If kids aren't allowed to wear clothes they wanna wear until their in college then at least they'll be a little more mature than say middle and high school kids, and make better judgement calls on how to treat other ppl regardless of whether they've been taught not to tease others or not.
cerealkiller182
03-30-2008, 05:14 PM
Well if ignoring for the time being will allow kids to keep there minds on other things like their education, what's so wrong with it?
Because you get the book stuff but not the life lessons.
You can't honestly say that every little thing that you know in heart to be right and wrong has to be taught to you......? Somethings ppl just know. If kids aren't allowed to wear clothes they wanna wear until their in college then at least they'll be a little more mature than say middle and high school kids, and make better judgement calls on how to treat other ppl regardless of whether they've been taught not to tease others or not.
What weren't you taught?
GoldenAgeHero
03-30-2008, 05:15 PM
For one talking about others reading comprehension, you showed that yours is lacking.
Kids bullying other kids will always happen. It doesn't matter what clothes they wear, how much they weigh, the haircut they have, how they talk, how they smell, how tall they are, how short they are, what team they like, what team they don't, what band or music they like or not, or whatever asinine reason some pathetic child thinks up. Bullying will end when the last 2 people on earth die.
mine's was lacking because of the ineptitude of posters in this thread wearing me down..:o
word to your motha.
Addendum
03-30-2008, 05:16 PM
aw, he quoted Vanilla Ice
Well if ignoring for the time being will allow kids to keep there minds on other things like their education, what's so wrong with it?
You can't honestly say that every little thing that you know in heart to be right and wrong has to be taught to you......? Somethings ppl just know. If kids aren't allowed to wear clothes they wanna wear until their in college then at least they'll be a little more mature than say middle and high school kids, and make better judgement calls on how to treat other ppl regardless of whether they've been taught not to tease others or not.
Are you actually suggesting that this boy only dressed this way to rebel against the school system? That's what I'm curious to know. You did pose the question above.
Golgo-13
03-30-2008, 05:18 PM
If he was rebelling against the dress code, then he would have worn the girls uniform.
The entire point of rebelling is doing something that is against the rules. It's not doing something that is allowed under the rules
Then, by law, the school could have sent him home, until he came back dressed in the appropriate boys uniform. My point is, allowing kids to wear what they want doesn't give the school alot of room to enforce certain rules, as i doubt they have anything in the school books that say a boy can't dress like a girl. But if uniform was incorporated then those rules would be alot clearer; Boys have to wear the designated shirt and pants. Girls have to wear the designated shirt, pants/dress....... or they'd be subject to disciplinary actions.
Addendum
03-30-2008, 05:20 PM
He was wearing the designated shirt and pants. The damn superintendent of the school district said that King's wearing of women's accesories DID NOT violate the dress code.
Golgo-13
03-30-2008, 05:25 PM
Because you get the book stuff but not the life lessons. Life lessons aren't just taught at school. That's what socializing with family and friends are for.
What weren't you taught?
Are you serious? Some things are just common sense. Somethings you just know, by placing yourself in the other persons shoes. Like laughing in someones face. I don't recalling being sat down and told that that was rude, i just pictured someone doing it to me, and through common sense knew it was inappropriate.
Golgo-13
03-30-2008, 05:28 PM
He was wearing the designated shirt and pants. The damn superintendent of the school district said that King's wearing of women's accesories DID NOT violate the dress code.
Validates my point even more that uniforms are the way to go. And yeah, i said before that the rule book, the way it is now for kids to dress, is not clearly defined.
Are you serious? Some things are just common sense. Somethings you just know, by placing yourself in the other persons shoes. Like laughing in someones face. I don't recalling being sat down and told that that was rude, i just pictured someone doing it to me, and through common sense knew it was inappropriate.
To suggest that this boy asked for it, or deserved it, is ignorant.
cerealkiller182
03-30-2008, 05:30 PM
Life lessons aren't just taught at school. That's what socializing with family and friends are for.
Its a product of all those things working together. its hard for family and friends teach you not to discriminate when they are predominantly where you assumptions of what is normal comes from
Are you serious? Some things are just common sense. Somethings you just know, by placing yourself in the other persons shoes. Like laughing in someones face. I don't recalling being sat down and told that that was rude, i just pictured someone doing it to me, and through common sense knew it was inappropriate.
I find it hard to believe that you never hurt someones feelings and then disciplined by a teacher or parent.:whatever:
Addendum
03-30-2008, 05:30 PM
Validates my point even more that uniforms are the way to go. And yeah, i said before that the rule book, the way it is now for kids to dress, is not clearly defined.
If he's wearing the uniform and something that doesn't violate the dress code, how does that validate any point you made :huh:
He wasn't breaking any rules
Golgo-13
03-30-2008, 05:33 PM
Are you serious? Some things are just common sense. Somethings you just know, by placing yourself in the other persons shoes. Like laughing in someones face. I don't recalling being sat down and told that that was rude, i just pictured someone doing it to me, and through common sense knew it was inappropriate.
To suggest that this boy asked for it, or deserved it, is ignorant.[/QUOTE]
I'm sure he didn't visualize that dressing this way would lead to his death, but i do believe that he wanted some sort of attention by wearing what he did; isn't that was expression is all about...yelling out to the world who you are, and what your all about......................?
BlackLantern
03-30-2008, 05:33 PM
Intolerant parents breed intolerant children.....
Intolerant parents breed intolerant children.....
You couldn't be more right. It all starts at home.
Golgo-13
03-30-2008, 05:37 PM
If he's wearing the uniform and something that doesn't violate the dress code, how does that validate any point you made :huh:
He wasn't breaking any rules
Once again, i'm pro-uniform, so if this was in effect then he wouldn't have been able to wear what he was wearing, he would have been sent home.
And by him not breaking any rules, under the current rule book, the principal was unable to send him home for it, which lead to him continually dressing the way he was, which unfortunately lead to his death.
cerealkiller182
03-30-2008, 05:39 PM
Once again, i'm pro-uniform, so if this was in effect then he wouldn't have been able to wear what he was wearing, he would have been sent home.
And by him not breaking any rules, under the current rule book, the principal was unable to send him home for it, which lead to him continually dressing the way he was, which unfortunately lead to his death.
Once again, it isnt his fault. Some kid acts like a jackass, and what the victim was wearing is more important than the fact that some 8 grader had a gun and was willing to shoot someone.
BlackLantern
03-30-2008, 05:40 PM
I think a part of it is the stigma associated with homosexuality. In reference to an earlier post of mine, if you take a look at those who harass gay and transgendered people, maybe those people have those same feelings and are so afraid of being ridiculed and ostracized that they go to great lengths to lash out against those they persecute...
Once again, i'm pro-uniform, so if this was in effect then he wouldn't have been able to wear what he was wearing, he would have been sent home.
And by him not breaking any rules, under the current rule book, the principal was unable to send him home for it, which lead to him continually dressing the way he was, which unfortunately lead to his death.
I'm fairly certain that this boy wasn't murdered for wearing the clothes that he chose. I think you know that too Golgo.
Golgo-13
03-30-2008, 05:41 PM
Its a product of all those things working together. its hard for family and friends teach you not to discriminate when they are predominantly where you assumptions of what is normal comes from
I find it hard to believe that you never hurt someones feelings and then disciplined by a teacher or parent.:whatever:
I never said, i NEVER did anything that i didn't have to be disciplined for. I said that every little thing that i know to be right and wrong was necessarily taught to me. You develop morals as you grow and incorporate them into different situations, and make YOUR OWN judgment calls based on what you've been previously taught.
BlackLantern
03-30-2008, 05:43 PM
Once again, it isnt his fault. Some kid acts like a jackass, and what the victim was wearing is more important than the fact that some 8 grader had a gun and was willing to shoot someone.
That is extremely disturbing. What kind of value system does he have in place where he thinks its ok to get a gun and shoot someone, regardless of the reason??
cerealkiller182
03-30-2008, 05:45 PM
I never said, i NEVER did anything that i didn't have to be disciplined for. I said that every little thing that i know to be right and wrong was necessarily taught to me. You develop morals as you grow and incorporate them into different situations, and make YOUR OWN judgment calls based on what you've been previously taught.
You develop morals by being taught morals. When you do bad things, you get disciplined. thats how you know right from wrong. Than theres literature that works as anecdote references like To Kill a Mocking Bird where you continue to learn right from wrong. And theres children's television program which continues to teach right from wrong through the moral of the story. History also teaches us about slavery and Holocaust as bad things, and dont say these are universally considered bad because the people involved were taught it was the right thing to do which goes to show how important teaching morals is
Golgo-13
03-30-2008, 05:49 PM
Once again, it isnt his fault. Some kid acts like a jackass, and what the victim was wearing is more important than the fact that some 8 grader had a gun and was willing to shoot someone.
No one deserves to die for what they wear, but i think he should have been more sensible with what he did. Was he tempting fate by doing what he did? I can't believe that he was so naive that he didn't know that by him dressing this way wouldn't lead to some kinda trouble...no one's that dumb. Remember Bruce Willis is DIE HARD 3? He wore the sign in a black neighborhood that read "I hate N*****". Now granted that this was a real life situation; this person doesn't deserve to die for expressing themselves either. But for them to believe that dressing this way wouldn't granish some sort of NEGATIVE response from those around them, is just ludacris.
odiin
03-30-2008, 05:52 PM
No one deserves to die for what they wear, but i think he should have been more sensible with what he did. Was he tempting fate by doing what he did? I can't believe that he was so naive that he didn't know that by him dressing this way wouldn't lead to some kinda trouble...no one's that dumb. Remember Bruce Willis is DIE HARD 3? He wore the sign in a black neighborhood that read "I hate N*****". Now granted that this was a real life situation; this person doesn't deserve to die for expressing themselves either. But for them to believe that dressing this way wouldn't granish some sort of NEGATIVE response from those around them, is just ludacris.
How the hell is that tempting fate? People wear things at school that aren't considered "normal" all the time and nothing happens to them. Right now there are thousands of emo kids in schools with black hair ironed to one side of their face with red streaks in it, tight pants and black eye-liner who AREN'T getting shot in the face or "tempting fate" in any way.
No one deserves to die for what they wear, but i think he should have been more sensible with what he did. Was he tempting fate by doing what he did? I can't believe that he was so naive that he didn't know that by him dressing this way wouldn't lead to some kinda trouble...no one's that dumb. Remember Bruce Willis is DIE HARD 3? He wore the sign in a black neighborhood that read "I hate N*****". Now granted that this was a real life situation; this person doesn't deserve to die for expressing themselves either. But for them to believe that dressing this way wouldn't granish some sort of NEGATIVE response from those around them, is just ludacris.
How the hell is that tempting fate? People wear things at school that aren't considered "normal" all the time and nothing happens to them. Right now there are thousands of emo kids in schools with black hair ironed to one side of their face with red streaks in it, tight pants and black eye-liner who AREN'T getting shot in the face or "tempting fate" in any way.
The boy was murdered for being gay. Period. It wasn't his clothing choice.
Golgo-13
03-30-2008, 05:55 PM
You develop morals by being taught morals. When you do bad things, you get disciplined. thats how you know right from wrong. Than theres literature that works as anecdote references like To Kill a Mocking Bird where you continue to learn right from wrong. And theres children's television program which continues to teach right from wrong through the moral of the story. History also teaches us about slavery and Holocaust as bad things, and dont say these are universally considered bad because the people involved were taught it was the right thing to do which goes to show how important teaching morals is
So were YOU taught that killing another human being is wrong AFTER you actually killed someone and then were disciplined for it? I doubt it. You are taught basic morals that you then incorporate into different situations as they arise it life. You don't need to be taught that it's wrong to tease laugh and **** with those that dress different from you, by way of a lesson. Most of us have had that happen to us at some point in our life, and know how it made us feel. We then now know it wasn't right, because it didn't feel right when we were on the receiving end.
Speedball
03-30-2008, 05:55 PM
No one deserves to die for what they wear, but i think he should have been more sensible with what he did. Was he tempting fate by doing what he did? I can't believe that he was so naive that he didn't know that by him dressing this way wouldn't lead to some kinda trouble...no one's that dumb. Remember Bruce Willis is DIE HARD 3? He wore the sign in a black neighborhood that read "I hate N*****". Now granted that this was a real life situation; this person doesn't deserve to die for expressing themselves either. But for them to believe that dressing this way wouldn't granish some sort of NEGATIVE response from those around them, is just ludacris.
You basically just expressed my feelings on this.
and LOL!
Look at the way you spelled ludicrous...
cerealkiller182
03-30-2008, 05:56 PM
No one deserves to die for what they wear, but i think he should have been more sensible with what he did. Was he tempting fate by doing what he did? I can't believe that he was so naive that he didn't know that by him dressing this way wouldn't lead to some kinda trouble...no one's that dumb. Remember Bruce Willis is DIE HARD 3? He wore the sign in a black neighborhood that read "I hate N*****". Now granted that this was a real life situation; this person doesn't deserve to die for expressing themselves either. But for them to believe that dressing this way wouldn't granish some sort of NEGATIVE response from those around them, is just ludacris.
You cant compare Die Hard 3 and this because the kid wasnt the one spreading hate the bullies were.
You need to be more sensible and think about your statement how you put yourself in other peoples shoes and wonder what they think because you're not doing it here. You're putting yourself in a skirt and knowing this isnt "normal" whats leading you astray (I assume), put yourself in a situation where the clothes that make you comfortable, the ones you were on a daily basis, get ridiculed. What do you do? Conform or be yourself? Does this make you naive?
I find you whole view to be naive to believe that people bring trouble on themselves rather than the trouble comes from people ridiculed what isnt "normal" and that this kid should conform in order to escape such ridicule. Ignoring it is the easy way out. And you talk about socializing the victim when they should be socializing the jackass killer and bullies.
BlackLantern
03-30-2008, 05:57 PM
The boy was murdered for being gay. Period. It wasn't his clothing choice.
and someone thought a valid response to someone being gay was to shoot them....
and someone thought a valid response to someone being gay was to shoot them....
This whole thing just really disturbs me BL. Somewhere along the line, this boy got the impression that it's ok to kill someone because they're different. And on top of that, to sit here and read some of the posts in this thread (pretty much defending the killer) makes me sick.
Golgo-13
03-30-2008, 06:01 PM
The boy was murdered for being gay. Period. It wasn't his clothing choice.
Debatable. I'm sure he didn't just wake up 'that' day and decide he was gonna be gay. He was gay all along. He was dressing 'normal' up to some point, and wasn't shot at. Like i said, debatable.
How the hell is that tempting fate? People wear things at school that aren't considered "normal" all the time and nothing happens to them. Right now there are thousands of emo kids in schools with black hair ironed to one side of their face with red streaks in it, tight pants and black eye-liner who AREN'T getting shot in the face or "tempting fate" in any way.
Sorry, but a male dressing up as a female is probably the most shocking, socially unacceptable and un-normal thing a man, as defined by todays society standards, can do.
You can't dress any worse.
Speedball
03-30-2008, 06:03 PM
Wow...okay so...who in here at this moment is actually gay?
Answer me, and then I'll tell you how a gay person feels about this.
cerealkiller182
03-30-2008, 06:03 PM
So were YOU taught that killing another human being is wrong AFTER you actually killed someone and then were disciplined for it? I doubt it.
No I was taught not to kill people through the ten commandments which told me it was wrong.
You are taught basic morals that you then incorporate into different situations as they arise it life. You don't need to be taught that it's wrong to tease laugh and **** with those that dress different from you, by way of a lesson. Most of us have had that happen to us at some point in our life, and know how it made us feel. We then now know it wasn't right, because it didn't feel right when we were on the receiving end.
This is my point.You said morals come naturally by seeing how you would feel, but you are taught basic morals and then incorporate them, which is what i was saying. Obviously you have to learn your own judgement. You dont learn every possible moral scenario in school. But discrimination is a wide topic and should be taught and then can be used towards: religious preference, race, sexual orientation, clothing, favorite music, etc.
odiin
03-30-2008, 06:03 PM
Debatable. I'm sure he didn't just wake up 'that' day and decide he was gonna be gay. He was gay all along. He was dressing 'normal' up to some point, and wasn't shot at. Like i said, debatable.
Sorry, but a male dressing up as a female is probably the most shocking, socially unacceptable and un-normal thing a man, as defined by todays society standards, can do.
You can't dress any worse.
I'm starting to think that you're the kind of guy who would have been joining them in making fun of the poor kid.
cerealkiller182
03-30-2008, 06:05 PM
Debatable. I'm sure he didn't just wake up 'that' day and decide he was gonna be gay. He was gay all along. He was dressing 'normal' up to some point, and wasn't shot at. Like i said, debatable.
Sorry, but a male dressing up as a female is probably the most shocking, socially unacceptable and un-normal thing a man, as defined by todays society standards, can do.
You can't dress any worse.
bigot
Speedball
03-30-2008, 06:05 PM
Probably going to be ignored...typical...
Debatable. I'm sure he didn't just wake up 'that' day and decide he was gonna be gay. He was gay all along. He was dressing 'normal' up to some point, and wasn't shot at. Like i said, debatable.
From the way I understand this story, Larry asked his killer to be his Valentine. And instead of saying "no," this boy brought a gun to school and killed him. It has nothing to do with his clothing choice! I think it's really insulting that you continue to try and lay some kind of blame on Larry.
I'm starting to think that you're the kind of guy who would have been joining them in making fun of the poor kid.
I'm wondering that too Odiin.
cerealkiller182
03-30-2008, 06:10 PM
Probably going to be ignored...typical...
Dont mean to ignore you, but you asked for a gay person, and I am not so I didnt respond.
Speed.. I believe its you, Majick, and.. I'm not exactly counted but I know..
odiin
03-30-2008, 06:12 PM
Speed.. I believe its you, Majick, and.. I'm not exactly counted but I know..
Great, thanks for spilling the beans. Now Golgo's going to shoot them both and it's all your fault.
Golgo-13
03-30-2008, 06:13 PM
You cant compare Die Hard 3 and this because the kid wasnt the one spreading hate the bullies were.
You need to be more sensible and think about your statement how you put yourself in other peoples shoes and wonder what they think because you're not doing it here. You're putting yourself in a skirt and knowing this isnt "normal" whats leading you astray (I assume), put yourself in a situation where the clothes that make you comfortable, the ones you were on a daily basis, get ridiculed. What do you do? Conform or be yourself? Does this make you naive?
I find you whole view to be naive to believe that people bring trouble on themselves rather than the trouble comes from people ridiculed what isnt "normal" and that this kid should conform in order to escape such ridicule. Ignoring it is the easy way out. And you talk about socializing the victim when they should be socializing the jackass killer and bullies.
You fail to understand the reality of society; some ppl in society find what he did 'offensive'. I don't. But those that teased, ridiculed and shot him probably did. Your dealing with idiots that are still maturing mentally. They're adolescence. I'd like to walk around in public naked or in my underwear. Is that offensive? We all know what a male body looks like. What's to hide? You have either a penis. Or you have a vagina. So why can't i do it? Should i conform to avoid ridicule? Am i naive to think that by me walking around in public stark naked won't bring trouble, cause i'm comfortable doing it..............or are you?
odiin
03-30-2008, 06:15 PM
You fail to understand the reality of society; some ppl in society find what he did 'offensive'. I don't. But those that teased, ridiculed and shot him probably did. Your dealing with idiots that are still maturing mentally. They're adolescence. I'd like to walk around in public naked or in my underwear. Is that offensive? We all know what a male body looks like. What's to hide? You have either a penis. Or you have a vagina. So why can't i do it? Should i conform to avoid ridicule? Am i naive to think that by me walking around in public stark naked won't bring trouble, cause i'm comfortable doing it..............or are you?
No, that will get you arrested. Wearing high heels and some make-up, won't.
Speedball
03-30-2008, 06:18 PM
Dont mean to ignore you, but you asked for a gay person, and I am not so I didnt respond.
I wasn't asking for one...I was asking for you to respond yes of no...
Ok...now that's I've got you attention...
The way he dressed wasn't socially acceptable, I've never seen a gay person dress that way in public when he's not around other gay people.
People have to be themselves, but when it's so off putting that it can cause trouble, then they shouldn't do it. Now if he was doing it to prove a point, then it would have been okay...but he didn't need to do it everyday...
And yes, he was shot because he was gay, not because of the way he was dressed.
Golgo-13
03-30-2008, 06:20 PM
From the way I understand this story, Larry asked his killer to be his Valentine. And instead of saying "no," this boy brought a gun to school and killed him. It has nothing to do with his clothing choice! I think it's really insulting that you continue to try and lay some kind of blame on Larry.
I'm not blaming Larry. I feel bad for Larry and his family, and hope the perpetrators burn in hell. I just think Larry should have been smarter. I'm willing to bet that he asked this guy to be his valentine 'in front of a group of ppl', that the guy that shot him felt the need to prove himself by committing this hainous act.
Like i said, it's not his fault, he should have just exercised better judgement.
And to think that the clothes that Larry wore had NOTHING to do with the perpetrators,think actions is just plain naive.
I'm starting to think that you're the kind of guy who would have been joining them in making fun of the poor kid.
That's your opinion. Doesn't make it fact.
cerealkiller182
03-30-2008, 06:20 PM
You fail to understand the reality of society; some ppl in society find what he did 'offensive'. I don't. But those that teased, ridiculed and shot him probably did. Your dealing with idiots that are still maturing mentally. They're adolescence. I'd like to walk around in public naked or in my underwear. Is that offensive? We all know what a male body looks like. What's to hide? You have either a penis. Or you have a vagina. So why can't i do it? Should i conform to avoid ridicule? Am i naive to think that by me walking around in public stark naked won't bring trouble, cause i'm comfortable doing it..............or are you?
Public nudity is not comparable because it is against the law. This kid broke no rules.
Golgo-13
03-30-2008, 06:23 PM
Public nudity is not comparable because it is against the law. This kid broke no rules.
Did he break any 'goverment' rules? No.
The laws that govern the simple mind of teenage boy with their prides, reps and their egos? Yes.
cerealkiller182
03-30-2008, 06:24 PM
I wasn't asking for one...I was asking for you to respond yes of no...
Ok...now that's I've got you attention...
The way he dressed wasn't socially acceptable, I've never seen a gay person dress that way in public when he's not around other gay people.
People have to be themselves, but when it's so off putting that it can cause trouble, then they shouldn't do it. Now if he was doing it to prove a point, then it would have been okay...but he didn't need to do it everyday...
And yes, he was shot because he was gay, not because of the way he was dressed.
But theres no reason for trouble which is my problem. This kid wasnt hurting anyone.
odiin
03-30-2008, 06:24 PM
I wasn't asking for one...I was asking for you to respond yes of no...
Ok...now that's I've got you attention...
The way he dressed wasn't socially acceptable, I've never seen a gay person dress that way in public when he's not around other gay people.
People have to be themselves, but when it's so off putting that it can cause trouble, then they shouldn't do it. Now if he was doing it to prove a point, then it would have been okay...but he didn't need to do it everyday...
And yes, he was shot because he was gay, not because of the way he was dressed.
People are likely to get made fun of for dressing in anyway outside of norm, yes, but that doesn't mean that they should stop dressing that way. You just have to deal with knowing that you'll get made fun of it for it. When I was in High School I knew a guy that wore skirts almost daily. Did he get made fun of for it? Sure, but that didn't stop him from wearing them, and it obviously didn't stop this kid.
cerealkiller182
03-30-2008, 06:26 PM
Did he break any 'goverment' rules? No.
The laws that govern the simple mind of teenage boy with their prides, reps and their egos? Yes.
What about his own pride? His pride doesnt matter just everyone else's?
Golgo-13
03-30-2008, 06:26 PM
But theres no reason for trouble which is my problem. This kid wasnt hurting anyone.
Pedophiles that jack off to images of children in the safety of their homes aren't hurting anyone either.
Does that mean ppl shouldn't be offended by it?
Golgo-13
03-30-2008, 06:28 PM
What about his own pride? His pride doesnt matter just everyone else's
If referring to the laws that the idiots that killed him live by. I don't think like them, so i can't attest to what they felt about his pride. Apparently they didn't give a hoot about it. :csad:
odiin
03-30-2008, 06:31 PM
Pedophiles that jack off to images of children in the safety of their homes aren't hurting anyone either.
Does that mean ppl shouldn't be offended by it?
Oh don't EVEN try to twist things like that. You have officially crossed the line here.
Pedophilia is illegal plain an simple, as it SHOULD be, and it most certainly IS hurting people. NOTHING good can come from lusting after little children. The fact that you would even try to relate these two things is positively disgusting.
cerealkiller182
03-30-2008, 06:32 PM
Pedophiles that jack off to images of children in the safety of their homes aren't hurting anyone either.
Does that mean ppl shouldn't be offended by it?
No but people will always be offended. Look at the new Vogue cover thats considered racist when its not.
odin said it.
If referring to the laws that the idiots that killed him live by. I don't think like them, so i can't attest to what they felt about his pride. Apparently they didn't give a hoot about it. :csad:
So he had to live up to other peoples standards instead of his own?
I'm not blaming Larry. I feel bad for Larry and his family, and hope the perpetrators burn in hell. I just think Larry should have been smarter. I'm willing to bet that he asked this guy to be his valentine 'in front of a group of ppl', that the guy that shot him felt the need to prove himself by committing this hainous act.
Like i said, it's not his fault, he should have just exercised better judgement.
And to think that the clothes that Larry wore had NOTHING to do with the perpetrators,think actions is just plain naive.
That's your opinion. Doesn't make it fact.
You have every right to believe what you believe, but I can say with certainty that he was killed for being gay. I don't believe that his clothes had anything to do with it. As for the circumstances surrounding Larry asking this other boy to be his Valentine, I do not know.
Golgo-13
03-30-2008, 06:35 PM
Oh don't EVEN try to twist things like that. You have officially crossed the line here.
Pedophilia is illegal plain an simple, as it SHOULD be, and it most certainly IS hurting people. NOTHING good can come from lusting after little children. The fact that you would even try to relate these two things is positively disgusting.
I'm making a point. Let me spell it out for you; just because some practices are not 'hurting' someone, doesn't mean they are acceptable or aren't offending someone else.
And what good comes from dressing in womans clothing? I don't care what ppl wear, but since you brought it up.....
Speedball
03-30-2008, 06:35 PM
But theres no reason for trouble which is my problem. This kid wasnt hurting anyone.
You're right, there is no reason for it, but people find reasons, because they're too insecure about themselves or have been taught that it's "wrong".
Speedball
03-30-2008, 06:38 PM
I'm making a point. Let me spell it out for you; just because some practices are not 'hurting' someone, doesn't mean they are acceptable or aren't offending someone else.
And what good comes from dressing in womans clothing? I don't care what ppl wear, but since you brought it up.....
Why would anyone want to wear heels?
They're the most uncomfortable shoes ever!
Now skirts...they're freeing.
Addendum
03-30-2008, 06:38 PM
Sorry, but a male dressing up as a female is probably the most shocking, socially unacceptable and un-normal thing a man, as defined by todays society standards, can do.
You can't dress any worse.
And if a guy doesn't like it, then they can be a man and suck it up.
You're right, there is no reason for it, but people find reasons, because they're too insecure about themselves or have been taught that it's "wrong".
The message of hate and intolerance has to be changed. Things like this have to stop happening. I hope that we will one come to a point in this world where things like this don't exist.
Golgo-13
03-30-2008, 06:39 PM
No but people will always be offended. Look at the new Vogue cover thats considered racist when its not.
odin said it.
So he had to live up to other peoples standards instead of his own?
No, but he should have been careful. I'm sure he was aware of the ridicule surrounding his dress code BEFORE he asked the boy out. That's like me, a black guy, going into a Klu Klux Klan meeting and asking to join and not expect some sort of negative reaction from those around me. I'd have to be an idiot.
cerealkiller182
03-30-2008, 06:40 PM
I'm making a point. Let me spell it out for you; just because some practices are not 'hurting' someone, doesn't mean they are acceptable or aren't offending someone else.
And what good comes from dressing in womans clothing? I don't care what ppl wear, but since you brought it up.....
Maybe he was more comfortbale in those clothes than what is deemed acceptable. Thats the only reason I'd make the switch.
And your whole "Larry had bad judgment" concept. I'd say the killer had a little worse judgment than Larry.
You're right, there is no reason for it, but people find reasons, because they're too insecure about themselves or have been taught that it's "wrong".
Which is the kind of thing that should be stopped
No, but he should have been careful. I'm sure he was aware of the ridicule surrounding his dress code BEFORE he asked the boy out. That's like me, a black guy, going into a Klu Klux Klan meeting and asking to join and not expect some sort of negative reaction from those around me. I'd have to be an idiot.
Larry had no idea that something like this would happen.
Addendum
03-30-2008, 06:42 PM
The laws that govern the simple mind of teenage boy with their prides, reps and their egos? Yes.
In other words- it's just ********
Speedball
03-30-2008, 06:43 PM
Which is the kind of thing that should be stopped
That's easier said than done...
You can't stop a person from thinking the way they do...you can attempt to change it...but many people are so close-minded that it's very hard to do.
cerealkiller182
03-30-2008, 06:43 PM
No, but he should have been careful. I'm sure he was aware of the ridicule surrounding his dress code BEFORE he asked the boy out. That's like me, a black guy, going into a Klu Klux Klan meeting and asking to join and not expect some sort of negative reaction from those around me. I'd have to be an idiot.
Actually that be more like him joining an anti-gay protest. He just went up to random people.
Golgo-13
03-30-2008, 06:47 PM
Actually that be more like him joining an anti-gay protest. He just went up to random people.
The guy/s were Anti-Gay/Anti-Transgender. He knew this 'cause they had been teasing him.
Here is a website for the kid:
http://www.rememberlarry.com/
I don't see him cross-dressing.
kainedamo
03-30-2008, 06:54 PM
what eigth grader comes to school dressed up in makeup, highheels, and earrings? damn in the hood thats a beatdown.
..im sorry but thats ****in retarded.
It may get ya a beat down, but what kind of ****ing society does a kid take out a gun and shoot another kid 'cause he's wearing makeup?
That's whats REALLY retarded.
GoldenAgeHero
03-30-2008, 06:56 PM
The guy/s were Anti-Gay/Anti-Transgender. He knew this 'cause they had been teasing him.
yeah thats the part I don't get, unless he was being stupid and doing it for ****s and giggles.
kainedamo
03-30-2008, 06:56 PM
i agree, I'm begining to think that there should be a proper dress code regardless of orientation.
LOL... You're pretty stupid.
"Kid gets shot... school decides to change dress code".
Hmmmm... what planet are you living on?
GoldenAgeHero
03-30-2008, 06:59 PM
It may get ya a beat down, but what kind of ****ing society does a kid take out a gun and shoot another kid 'cause he's wearing makeup?
That's whats REALLY retarded.
Every society? any kid who can walk intoa schoool and shoot it up, the typeof kids or person who can walk up to another and blow themselves up,taking others with them.
srsly, whats new about this?
kainedamo
03-30-2008, 07:01 PM
It's cool and all that he tried to stand up for himself, but flirting wasn't exactly the best way to do it. That is really asking for trouble when the people harassing you are doing it because your gay. He could have fought back in any number of ways that didn't instigate the trait the other guys hated.
No, he did not deserve to die, but he wasn't doing himself any favors.
He probably figured they'd give him **** anyway, so why not have some fun.
So many kids that get bullied agonise over why they get bullied and try to stay in the background and not get noticed, and guess what? They get bullied regardless. They don't stand up for themselves, and get bullied some more.
This kid though, he had some ****ing balls.
GoldenAgeHero
03-30-2008, 07:03 PM
LOL... You're pretty stupid.
"Kid gets shot... school decides to change dress code".
Hmmmm... what planet are you living on?
never heard of students getting shot at for wearing the wrong type of colors..that are gang related?! or clothing that incites the wrong attention?!
now who's stupid?
It may get ya a beat down, but what kind of ****ing society does a kid take out a gun and shoot another kid 'cause he's wearing makeup?
That's whats REALLY retarded.
oh and i live on the planet you just asked this dumbass question,which i responded to below.
Every society? any kid who can walk into a school and shoot it up, the type of kids or person who can walk up to another and blow themselves up,taking others with them.
srsly, whats new about this?
thanks for your time.
odiin
03-30-2008, 07:05 PM
He probably figured they'd give him **** anyway, so why not have some fun.
So many kids that get bullied agonise over why they get bullied and try to stay in the background and not get noticed, and guess what? They get bullied regardless. They don't stand up for themselves, and get bullied some more.
This kid though, he had some ****ing balls.
Exactly, and you can't say that he was "asking for it" no one had anyway of knowing that this asshat would shoot him for it. It was HIS behaviour that was out of left field, not Larry's.
cerealkiller182
03-30-2008, 07:07 PM
yeah thats the part I don't get, unless he was being stupid and doing it for ****s and giggles.
i think he did. The article mentioned he flirted in response to the ridicule
cerealkiller182
03-30-2008, 07:09 PM
The guy/s were Anti-Gay/Anti-Transgender. He knew this 'cause they had been teasing him.
thats true
but i wonder if these 8th grader have the same history of violence as the KKK.
My point is there was no way in hell he knew he would have gotten shot.....for any reason.
Exactly, and you can't say that he was "asking for it" no one had anyway of knowing that this asshat would shoot him for it. It was HIS behaviour that was out of left field, not Larry's.
All I can say is that it is proof of the decay of this society when an eighth grader comes to a school with a gun and murders someone.
Addendum
03-30-2008, 07:11 PM
i think he did. The article mentioned he flirted in response to the ridicule
He acted more mature than those ridiculing him. Instead of responding with violence, he used humor
GoldenAgeHero
03-30-2008, 07:12 PM
Exactly, and you can't say that he was "asking for it" no one had anyway of knowing that this asshat would shoot him for it. It was HIS behaviour that was out of left field, not Larry's.
*ahem* Not saying it was larry's fault, but he instigated the situation when he asked the guy who shot him to a freakin dance, a guy Larry knew didn't like him and even teased him about it.
NOW thats out of left field. I know the kid was trying to roll with the punches and make the best out of it....but it was not the right choice on his part.
This is what he looked like:
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p237/AetherTank/SNN2513D-280_441824a.jpg
cerealkiller182
03-30-2008, 07:16 PM
*ahem* Not saying it was larry's fault, but he instigated the situation when he asked the guy who shot him to a freakin dance, a guy Larry knew didn't like him and even teased him about it.
NOW thats out of left field. I know the kid was trying to roll with the punches and make the best out of it....but it was not the right choice on his part.[/quote]
:wow: That insights a "no" not violence
It was less of a right choice for the kid to ridicule him and shoot him.
People have to stop acting like this kid was prancing around chanting "shoot me"
GoldenAgeHero
03-30-2008, 07:27 PM
NOW thats out of left field. I know the kid was trying to roll with the punches and make the best out of it....but it was not the right choice on his part.
:wow: That insights a "no" not violence
It was less of a right choice for the kid to ridicule him and shoot him.
People have to stop acting like this kid was prancing around chanting "shoot me"[/quote]
stop being a ****ing retard, thats not the point of my post. Point was he instigated the situation, a situation that was already in the ****s, you don't add fuel to the fire.
thats why you don't mess with people who don't like you, you never know wtf thier going to do to you if you keep messing with them. He should've gone about his business and ignore the pricks instead of messing with them back.
plain and simple, it's not rocket science. stop trying to argue the fact that he didn't know he was going to get shot for messing with people who didn't like him.
thats not agood excuse to mess with people who like you.
get that through your head. yeesh.
cerealkiller182
03-30-2008, 07:31 PM
its not a good excuse to kill people just because you dont like them. Larry is not at friggin fault, so stop making it look like he gave the kid the gun and put a bullseye on his forehead
GoldenAgeHero
03-30-2008, 07:42 PM
actually I'm not. I'm going to say he put a bullseye on his head, because he messed with people he should'nt have messed with, he made the situation worser for himself, because he doesn't know what can invoke someone to go to the point where they feel they need to move onto physcial violence.
So yeah I'm going to put some partial blame on Larry. He may not have gave a gun to the shooter and asked to be shot, but he made the wrong judgement by instigating the situation.
If your dumb and naive enough to believe that he doesn't have some partial blame in this you're ****ing blind.
yes it sucks he got shot, but I honestly belive he would've been alive if he would of ignored the dummies.
cerealkiller182
03-30-2008, 07:44 PM
The only wrong judgement i see is a child who thinks its ok to kill someone
GoldenAgeHero
03-30-2008, 07:46 PM
This is what he looked like:
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p237/AetherTank/SNN2513D-280_441824a.jpg
http://streaming.rememberlarry.com/gallery/25.JPG
so what he dressed with make up and high heels only to school...:huh:
kainedamo
03-30-2008, 07:47 PM
never heard of students getting shot at for wearing the wrong type of colors..that are gang related?! or clothing that incites the wrong attention?!
now who's stupid?
That argument isn't even remotely relevant. I'm afraid the answer to your question is - it's still you.
I'm seriously so ****ing outraged at the stupidity of some people on this thread that I'm going to start a topic to show you how dumb you are.
The only wrong judgement i see is a child who thinks its ok to kill someone
I agree.
That argument isn't even remotely relevant. I'm afraid the answer to your question is - it's still you.
I'm seriously so ****ing outraged at the stupidity of some people on this thread that I'm going to start a topic to show you how dumb you are.
Some of the people in this thread really disgust me by the way in which they are taking up for the killer. It really is disturbing.
GoldenAgeHero
03-30-2008, 07:51 PM
That argument isn't even remotely relevant. I'm afraid the answer to your question is - it's still you.
I'm seriously so ****ing outraged at the stupidity of some people on this thread that I'm going to start a topic to show you how dumb you are.
go do that i actually want to see how well that blows over and how was that argument not relevant? maybe you should make a thread showing how dumb you are:huh:
kainedamo
03-30-2008, 07:52 PM
go do that i actually want to see how well that blows over and how was that argument not relevant? maybe you should make a thread showing how dumb you are:huh:
You're comparing people wearing gang colours to a kid wearing makeup. It's not even in the same ball park of comparison.
cerealkiller182
03-30-2008, 07:52 PM
Some of the people in this thread really disgust me by the way in which they are taking up for the killer. It really is disturbing.
If the gun was in the other hand, I really doubt they would talk up Larrys the same way they talk up this killer.
http://streaming.rememberlarry.com/gallery/25.JPG
so what he dressed with make up and high heels only to school...:huh:I'm guessing, he doesn't look 15 either..
thats not even the argument you made in your first post to me. damn, you're idiot.
Can't we all be respectful???
Warhammer
03-30-2008, 08:03 PM
Jesus christ, that the hell is wrong with you people? :huh:
I agree, saying 'he wasn't doing himself any favours by dressing like that' is enraging. Who cares how he dressed? That doesn't give anyone any reason to make fun of him or kill him, for that matter.
Bigots are effed!
The whole thing of saying "dressing like that didn't help him any/he was asking for it" just shows me that you guys are just pathetic wastes of humanity.
Try using compassion for once, because saying what the bold says does nothing but support the killer.
:confused:
Never once did I say that the boy deserved to die. I said that he certainly wasn't doing himself any favors in dressing like that. I'd think that you, Majik, out of all people would know that. You are gay, and you know how it is for you and other homosexuals out there. It's rough for you. Most of the world out there is against you because of your sexual orientation. You know that out there, there are people that have a hard time with people accepting you and acknowledging the fact that in your point of view, there is nothing wrong with being gay.
Next time (Majik and Star), use some common sense before quoting one of my posts, and calling me a "Bigot" or a "pathetic waste of humanity." I didn't call anybody any names, and you should not have either. It's almost like you saw this thread, and was just waiting for somebody to make a post that seemed to be against homosexuality, so you could justify this issue. I can't see in one way did I try to throw out some over-conservative viewpoint at the issue.
:down
...I'll show you again what point I tried to make with my post from the first page.
This is a touchy subject. The problem is that the world doesn't think like that. Dressing with the hair over the face, possibly some eye-liner, and tight pants is a current fad. Wearing high heels, make-up, and earrings isn't, so it is viewed as weird and abnormal. You dress like an emo, and there is another person doing the same thing five feet away from you in high school. You dress how this guy dressed, and you are probably alone.
Basically, right here, I am replying to Noir's post. I am saying how the way he dressed, he was an easier target. I never said he deserved to die.
kainedamo
03-30-2008, 08:04 PM
thats not even the argument you made in your first post to me. damn, you're idiot.
do you not remember what you posted, where in your idiotic post did you mention makeup? no where. you just made a blanket statement,which i provided an counter argument. you obviously should've been more specific. idiot.
GAH, you've ceased making sense.
kainedamo
03-30-2008, 08:05 PM
http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=299405
Ice-man
03-30-2008, 08:11 PM
i didnt know larry king was gay, or that he was in 8th grade, the guys like 100 freakin years old.
i didnt know larry king was gay, or that he was in 8th grade, the guys like 100 freakin years old.
A boy was murdered. This isn't a laughing matter.
cerealkiller182
03-30-2008, 08:14 PM
:confused:
Never once did I say that the boy deserved to die. I said that he certainly wasn't doing himself any favors in dressing like that. I'd think that you, Majik, out of all people would know that. You are gay, and you know how it is for you and other homosexuals out there. It's rough for you. Most of the world out there is against you because of your sexual orientation. You know that out there, there are people that have a hard time with people accepting you and acknowledging the fact that in your point of view, there is nothing wrong with being gay.
Next time (Majik and Star), use some common sense before quoting one of my posts, and calling me a "Bigot" or a "pathetic waste of humanity." I didn't call anybody any names, and you should not have either. It's almost like you saw this thread, and was just waiting for somebody to make a post that seemed to be against homosexuality, so you could justify this issue. I can't see in one way did I try to throw out some over-conservative viewpoint at the issue.
:down
...I'll show you again what point I tried to make with my post from the first page.
Basically, right here, I am replying to Noir's post. I am saying how the way he dressed, he was an easier target. I never said he deserved to die.
But you make it sound like he brought it on himself
GoldenAgeHero
03-30-2008, 08:17 PM
:confused:
Never once did I say that the boy deserved to die. I said that he certainly wasn't doing himself any favors in dressing like that. I'd think that you, Majik, out of all people would know that. You are gay, and you know how it is for you and other homosexuals out there. It's rough for you. Most of the world out there is against you because of your sexual orientation. You know that out there, there are people that have a hard time with people accepting you and acknowledging the fact that in your point of view, there is nothing wrong with being gay.
Next time (Majik and Star), use some common sense before quoting one of my posts, and calling me a "Bigot" or a "pathetic waste of humanity." I didn't call anybody any names, and you should not have either. It's almost like you saw this thread, and was just waiting for somebody to make a post that seemed to be against homosexuality, so you could justify this issue. I can't see in one way did I try to throw out some over-conservative viewpoint at the issue.
:down
...I'll show you again what point I tried to make with my post from the first page.
Basically, right here, I am replying to Noir's post. I am saying how the way he dressed, he was an easier target. I never said he deserved to die.
don't bother trying to argue with them. they've already labled you a murderous homophobe.
kainedamo
03-30-2008, 08:19 PM
To be fair GAH, you did post this...
what eigth grader comes to school dressed up in makeup, highheels, and earrings? damn in the hood thats a beatdown.
..im sorry but thats ****in retarded.
Nobody is saying you're a homophobe. But we are saying it's disgusting that you would place blame at the innocent boy.
:confused:
Never once did I say that the boy deserved to die. I said that he certainly wasn't doing himself any favors in dressing like that. I'd think that you, Majik, out of all people would know that. You are gay, and you know how it is for you and other homosexuals out there. It's rough for you. Most of the world out there is against you because of your sexual orientation. You know that out there, there are people that have a hard time with people accepting you and acknowledging the fact that in your point of view, there is nothing wrong with being gay.
Next time (Majik and Star), use some common sense before quoting one of my posts, and calling me a "Bigot" or a "pathetic waste of humanity." I didn't call anybody any names, and you should not have either. It's almost like you saw this thread, and was just waiting for somebody to make a post that seemed to be against homosexuality, so you could justify this issue. I can't see in one way did I try to throw out some over-conservative viewpoint at the issue.
:down
...I'll show you again what point I tried to make with my post from the first page.
Basically, right here, I am replying to Noir's post. I am saying how the way he dressed, he was an easier target. I never said he deserved to die.
Just thought I'd clarify--> I meant to call the people who shot the kid Bigots. I can see how you might have thought the last part was about you, but it really wasn't.
Warhammer
03-30-2008, 08:22 PM
I said "he wasn't doing himself any favors." By doing what was told in the article, and the way he dressed, he actually wasn't doing himself any favors. You don't see that kind of stuff everyday. How many times do I have to say "he didn't deserve to die"? It was wrong that he had a gun pulled on him. It is evil that he was killed for doing what he had the freedom to do. However, in a public high school (and anyone who went to a public school would know this), it's not like people in the school were going to let him slide? Somebody was going to tease, joke him, or have a problem with him. I never said he brought it upon himself.
Just thought I'd clarify--> I meant to call the people who shot the kid Bigots. I can see how you might have thought the last part was about you, but it really wasn't.
Ahh, gotcha. :up:
He may not have been doing himself a favour by dressing like that, but the fact is that there is definitely something wrong with the fact that he SHOULD be able to dress how he wanted (in girls clothing) without having to worry about dying....
Now, that said, there was obviously some serious mental issues regarding the shooter, because last time I checked, a sane person doesn't kill someone over some flirtation and crossdressing. Well, actually, as I mentioned before, I guess someone who was a bigot and couldn't understand that some people are different then them might think it was ok....
Either way, this thread is just depressing.
Is it just me or are there a whole bunch of '_______ killed for being ________' in the community now?
Next thing I know theres going to be a thread called 'Star killed by mob for wearing red pants'
Addendum
03-30-2008, 08:28 PM
He knew he was going to get teased. He had before. Instead of acting like a Neanderthal and getting upset and violent when teased, he responded with humor.
spike spiegel
03-30-2008, 08:29 PM
Why are you guys obsessed with fighting over these things? I don't think the death of a person should spark such a heated argument like this. If we can all agree on one thing, we can agree that his death was.......well, we all know what it was. Why do we argue about what it is or isn't, when we know what it absolutely is?
Golgo-13
03-30-2008, 08:29 PM
The boy doesn't look like an 8th grader in these pics.
GoldenAgeHero
03-30-2008, 08:29 PM
To be fair GAH, you did post this...
Nobody is saying you're a homophobe. But we are saying it's disgusting that you would place blame at the innocent boy.
where in my post did I blame him.
all i said that "in the hood he would get a beatdown".. thats fact. anyone in the hood can tell you that.
and yes I think it's inappropriate for a dude to dress up in female's clothing...I just don't get it and yes I see it as irritating. But i in no way ever said he deserved it.
He knew he was going to get teased. He had before. Instead of acting like a Neanderthal and getting upset and violent when teased, he responded with humor.
Which is to be commended.
Addendum
03-30-2008, 08:32 PM
Everybody lives in a neighborhood, GAH. Yours isn't special
GoldenAgeHero
03-30-2008, 08:35 PM
Everybody lives in a neighborhood, GAH. Yours isn't special
not saying it was.
cerealkiller182
03-30-2008, 08:37 PM
and yes I think it's inappropriate for a dude to dress up in female's clothing...I just don't get it and yes I see it as irritating.
You dont have to get it. If you got it you'd be wearing them too. But why irritating and inappropriate? (in all seriousness)
SapphirePrima
03-30-2008, 08:39 PM
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Not sure if this has been posted already.
kainedamo
03-30-2008, 08:39 PM
It's irrelevant anyway. How someone dresses should ever warrent a violent response, nevermind being shot.
100% of the blame falls on the guy who pulled the trigger.
Addendum
03-30-2008, 08:39 PM
You dont have to get it. If you got it you'd be wearing them too. But why irritating and inappropriate?
it turns him on and he just can't admit it
I hadn't seen that video yet. Interesting.
cerealkiller182
03-30-2008, 08:42 PM
it turns him on and he just can't admit it
come on, I seriously want to know. No reason to irritate him further.
Addendum
03-30-2008, 08:43 PM
come on, I seriously want to know. No reason to irritate him further.
:hehe:
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