The Sarah Palin Thread (You can see Russia from this thread)

[SuBe]

dude, you don't even know what tyranny is. who do you think your fooling?
I do, but you don't recognize Facism, even when you spout it.

[Humphrey Bogart]

I completely agree with you, what I want to know is how the people that are not politicians and supported McCain and thought his argument about inexperience made sense...well, how do they feel about this?
shouldn't this upset them since experience was SOOOOOOO important?

When you sift through the B.S I think you'll find that Mccain supportesr are on his side because Obama is the other choice. You'll find the same with Obama supports. Presidential campaigns have devolved into candidates taking credit for and promising things they have no real control over. Just take a good look at who the candidates are and how they got there. Raising lots of money and promising ideas and concepts.

And people keep wondering why they are constantly getting screwed by their politicians.

[Marx]

thus making him and any other pundit who once touted the "experience" card against Obama either a liar or a hypocrite. :up:

YAY!

Stop the press! I am completely in agreement with Sparkle. Someone...note the date and time! :oldrazz:

[Excel]

I have selected SARAH PALIN, Governor of Alaska, to be my Vice President

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y66/ronito_cruz/party.gif

[SuBe]

It was not previously taxed in Alaska, while it is in almost every other state. Obama proposes raising the federal tax on a gallon of gas, which is already beyond absurd. The two are not the same.
Not to mention bad for the Consumer, which the majority is Middle-class.

[Franklin Richards]

The bottom line is that the county has gone to pot ever since the Conservatives took control of the White House, the Senate, and the House. We're at war with two countries and rattling our saber at Iran and Russia. We invaded a sovereign nation for WMD's that were never there. The economy just keeps going through "rough patches". Our country is more divided than ever. Our civil liberties are taking hits all across the board. Evangelicals are trying to legislate morality via marriage and separation of church and state. Torture is the norm in Gitmo. Our image on the world stage is that of an evil empire. Croneyism is alive and well. Foreign and domestic oil lobbyists control our political machine.

Don't ya think it's time for the other party to give it a shot? They can't.... let me repeat that... They can't do any worse.


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[jaguarr]

They cannot condemn Obama for his 'lack of experience' and praise Palin for her 'lack of experience.' John McCain just blew a whole through his attack plan.

More than that, when compared to the the other short list VP candidates that McCain was looking at, Palin pales in comparison on the experience factor. Any claim that McCain could previously make about caring about real experience flies out the window for overlooking much more qualified candidates in favor of Palin. I simply see McCain trying to pander to female voters, attract some attention to his campaign, and attempt to tailgate on the idea of "real change in Washington" that has been so successful for Obama. Palin wasn't picked for her qualifications and anyone who thinks otherwise is either full of it or lying to themselves.

jag

[Mr Sparkle]

Orange Mocha Frappucinos!!!

[Excel]

Mitt n Pawlenty aint pleased...

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/08/29/palin_pick_leaves_bruised_feel.html

[Marx]

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y66/ronito_cruz/party.gif

:lmao:

[Marx]

More than that, when compared to the the other short list VP candidates that McCain was looking at, Palin pales in comparison on the experience factor. Any claim that McCain could previously make about caring about real experience flies out the window for overlooking much more qualified candidates in favor of Palin. I simply see McCain trying to pander to female voters, attract some attention to his campaign, and attempt to tailgate on the idea of "real change in Washington" that has been so successful for Obama. Palin wasn't picked for her qualifications and anyone who thinks otherwise is either full of it or lying to themselves.

jag

Exactly Jag. I couldn't agree more.

[Marx]

Mitt n Pawlenty aint pleased...

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/08/29/palin_pick_leaves_bruised_feel.html

I can only imagine Mitt Romney's reaction...yikes! :wow:

[Tron5000]

It was not previously taxed in Alaska, while it is in almost every other state. Obama proposes raising the federal tax on a gallon of gas, which is already beyond absurd. The two are not the same.

Also, for the record, I didn't say I agreed with taxing oil companies, as those taxes are simply passed along to the consumer. I brought up her taxation of oil companies in response to a post implying that she was in the Big Oil Pocket 'cause her husband worked for an oil company. This is obviously not the case.

[Mr Sparkle]

obviously!

[lazur]

How about co sponsoring a bill with McCain for lobbyist reform which led to the chain reaction of Jack Abramoff and dozens of politicians getting busted?

Besides being a legislature in Chicago is a much bigger job than being a mayor of a city with 8,000 people.



So the only thing you can cite is a co-sponsored bill with the guy he's running against, who's been in the senate 23 years longer than Obama?

You're not making a very strong case...

[jaguarr]

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y66/ronito_cruz/party.gif

LMFAO! That is priceless. :funny:

jag

[X Knight]

Would McCain have chosen Palin if Obama had chosen Clinton?

maybe....maybe not. I have no idea. I am sure many factors went into McCain's decision. Was her appeal to women ( and Hillary voters ) part of the equation? I would be totally naive to say it wasn't. But, was it the only reason? I don't think so.

Maybe McCain picked her, not just cuz she's a woman, but because of her qualities ( GASP!! ). Maybe....just maybe.....McCain also sees in her a fellow maverick who's not afraid to "shake things up" in washington.

After all, it's not like she's a totally "last minute" pick. Her name has been floated around for some time now, and greatly praised by some tv pundits, too. Other female names that have been floating around were Meg Witman ( former eBay CEO ) and Carly Fiorina ( former Hewlet-Packard CEO ).

[jaguarr]

Mitt n Pawlenty aint pleased...

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/08/29/palin_pick_leaves_bruised_feel.html

Uh-oh. I wonder if this means Tim won't be John's BFF :heart: anymore. I bet Mitt and Tim are doubly pissed because sending them off to Denver this past week was obviously intended to keep them occupied and out of the way while McCain finished vetting Palin out.

jag

[TheComicbookKid]

And what has Palin done? She has made massive cuts to the Alaskan Government - she is not afraid of making the tough decisions. When she got into office, she fired a lot of people that she felt were not cost effective in Government. She has been a whistleblower in Government corruption throughout her career. She has risen to every challenge she has faced and passed in flying colors.

There is NOTHING in her character that indicates she would be anything short of a wonderful leader - which is exactly what she has been for her state in every level of government she has served.

That's like picking someone who has rebuilt a kitchen sink to build a house. The structure of being a mayor and a governor are far different from being a President.

Obama has at least worked on the federal and state level as a government official.

Oh, and the argument that she understands oil because she's from Alaska:
Governor of oil state- Bush policy worked out so well.
Governor of oil state- Palin

[Humphrey Bogart]

:dry:

Well ok then.


You win, we should only judge our Presidential candidates on how much executive expirience they have. I mean, W was the governor of TEXAS. He had TONS of executive expirience, and he turned out great, didnt he? :yay:




Bill Clinton was just the Govenor of Arkansas, and he managed to save us from the certain doom and destruction.

[SuperT]

I am still just in absolute DISGUST right now. This is the lowest type of pandering I think I've ever witnessed here in America. I can't wait to see what Hillary Clinton has to say about this, that'll be one of the first times I'm eagerly awaiting her reponse.

How a WOMAN can even stand up next to this old coot who is against "equal pay for equal work" is beyond me. This entire circus just emphasizes why the Republicans don't have the middle class, lower class, and minority citizens in their mind. They don't give a ***** about us!

They care about the big corporations, the gas guzzlers, anything to make the rich people richer and us middle class even poorer.

[jaguarr]

Would McCain have chosen Palin if Obama had chosen Clinton?

maybe....maybe not. I have no idea. I am sure many factors went into McCain's decision. Was her appeal to women ( and Hillary voters ) part of the equation? I would be totally naive to say it wasn't. But, was it the only reason? I don't think so.

Maybe McCain picked her, not just cuz she's a woman, but because of her qualities ( GASP!! ). Maybe....just maybe.....McCain also sees in her a fellow maverick who's not afraid to "shake things up" in washington.

After all, it's not like she's a totally "last minute" pick. Her name has been floated around for some time now, and greatly praised by some tv pundits, too. Other female names that have been floating around were Meg Witman ( former eBay CEO ) and Carly Fiorina ( former Hewlet-Packard CEO ).

The question you have to ask yourself is "Would Palin have been picked if she wasn't a woman?". I tend to think she would not have been.

jag

[jaguarr]

Bill Clinton was just the Govenor of Arkansas, and he managed to save us from the certain doom and destruction.

And then the Governor from Texas undid everything positive that Governor From Arkansas did. ;)

jag

[Marx]

I am still just in absolute DISGUST right now. This is the lowest type of pandering I think I've ever witnessed here in America. I can't wait to see what Hillary Clinton has to say about this, that'll be one of the first times I'm eagerly awaiting her reponse.

How a WOMAN can even stand up next to this old coot who is against "equal pay for equal work" is beyond me. This entire circus just emphasizes why the Republicans don't have the middle class, lower class, and minority citizens in their mind. They don't give a ***** about us!

They care about the big corporations, the gas guzzlers, anything to make the rich people richer and us middle class even poorer.

I honestly thought it was a joke. (Even though her name had been mentioned earlier in the process.) From everything that I am reading, it is backfiring.

[The Senator]

I think it also important to note that Palin supports environmental irresponsibility by opening up ANWR and drilling for oil, further blindsiding our nation's dependence on oil and fossil fuels. McCain-Ferraro 2.0 will spend another four years ignoring our environmental problems, which not only means significant harm to our planet, but to our economy.

[Excel]

The guy from anchorage newspapers got quite a few criticisms.

I honestly thought it was a joke. (Even though her name had been mentioned earlier in the process.) From everything that I am reading, it is backfiring.

Such as?

[Tron5000]

The bottom line is that the county has gone to pot ever since the Conservatives took control of the White House, the Senate, and the House. We're at war with two countries and rattling our saber at Iran and Russia. We invaded a sovereign nation for WMD's that were never there. The economy just keeps going through "rough patches". Our country is more divided than ever. Our civil liberties are taking hits all across the board. Evangelicals are trying to legislate morality via marriage and separation of church and state. Torture is the norm in Gitmo. Our image on the world stage is that of an evil empire. Croneyism is alive and well. Foreign and domestic oil lobbyists control our political machine.

Don't ya think it's time for the other party to give it a shot? They can't.... let me repeat that... They can't do any worse.


:thing: :doom: :thing:

There has been much intelligence stating that Iraq removed missile delivery systems before the US invasion, likely to Syria.

But instead of information, how about some facts?

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2008/07/20087813165610303.html


US announces Iraq uranium transfer



The United States secretly shipped hundreds of tons of uranium from Iraq to a customer in Canada on the request of Baghdad, a spokesman for the Pentagon has said.

About 550 metric tonnes of yellow cake uranium was moved to Baghdad's fortified Green Zone before being flown to a third country, where it was then shipped to Canada, Bryan Whitman said.

"The operation was completed over the weekend, on Saturday," Whitman said.

The uranium was found by US troops after the 2003 US invasion of Iraq at the Tuwaitha Nuclear Research Facility south of Baghdad.

It was placed under the control of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA).


550 metric tons of yellow-cake uranium. But I guess all the yellow cake was just in case somebody got hungry, right?

[Humphrey Bogart]

The bottom line is that the county has gone to pot ever since the Conservatives took control of the White House, the Senate, and the House. We're at war with two countries and rattling our saber at Iran and Russia. We invaded a sovereign nation for WMD's that were never there. The economy just keeps going through "rough patches". Our country is more divided than ever. Our civil liberties are taking hits all across the board. Evangelicals are trying to legislate morality via marriage and separation of church and state. Torture is the norm in Gitmo. Our image on the world stage is that of an evil empire. Croneyism is alive and well. Foreign and domestic oil lobbyists control our political machine.

Don't ya think it's time for the other party to give it a shot? They can't.... let me repeat that... They can't do any worse.


:thing: :doom: :thing:

You don't have conservatives running anything 2000-the present. Thats the problem. You have individuals who used that mantel to get what they wanted. Theres nothing conservative about what George Bush has been up to. An obese government and deficit to match, not conservative.

[jaguarr]

I think it also important to note that Palin supports environmental irresponsibility by opening up ANWR and drilling for oil, further blindsiding our nation's dependence on oil and fossil fuels. McCain-Ferraro 2.0 will spend another four years ignoring our environmental problems, which not only means significant harm to our planet, but to our economy.

Al Gore's gonna choke on his morning donut!

jag

[Marx]

The guy from anchorage newspapers got quite a few criticisms.



Such as?

I haven't seen a conrete news story yet, but I think that's because everyone is still in shock. I have been ready various opinion blogs. 'The Cafferty File,' probably being the most recognizable.

[souvlaki]

And it is obvious that Obama picked Biden because he lack any kind of experience.

There is a huge difference between choosing a VP to make up for your inexperience in certain areas, and picking a VP to make up for your lack of a vagina. Let me ask you this... what does Palin add to the ticket that any number of other Governors dont? Other than being a woman?

[SuBe]

You don't have conservatives running anything 2000-the present. Thats the problem. You have individuals who used that mantel to get what they wanted. Theres nothing conservative about what George Bush has been up to. An obese government and deficit to match, not conservative.
Agreed.

[SuBe]

There is a huge difference between choosing a VP to make up for your inexperience in certain areas, and picking a VP to make up for your lack of a vagina.
This made me chuckle.

[Franklin Richards]

Was that aljazeera? Sorry... that dog won't hunt.

Where's the AP story?


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[The Senator]

I honestly thought it was a joke. (Even though her name had been mentioned earlier in the process.) From everything that I am reading, it is backfiring.

As it should. McCain only picked Palin because of her gender and appearance. Being a political scientist, I have always been under the impression that Ferraro and Quayle were tied for being the worst choices for VP ever, because their selections were not based on qualifications but aesthetics. And now, McCain totally trumps those awful picks with a twenty-month governor of one of the most irrelevant states in the country, who is less experienced than Obama, who has no foreign policy experience at all, and doesn't appear to know a damn thing about national politics considering she has only served at the state level. At least Quayle was in office for a term, and at least Ferraro had two terms under her belt. They both had national experience as well, so while they were obviously only selected because they "looked like good candidates," they had a resume to work on.

Palin has governed one of the smallest states in the country, in terms of population, as well as one of the most politically awkward states. Alaskan politics IS NOT comparable to national politics; the state isn't even located on the continental United States. And her inexperience is so apparent. Women should be outraged that McCain only selected Palin to appeal to them, not to help lead this country.

And, before anyone can say "But Biden is from Delaware!"-- Biden is a Senator who has not only national experience, but international experience as well. You know what the McCain campaign says qualifies Palin's foreign policy experience? According to an aid on MSNBC today-- and I quote: "Alaska is close to Russia so that has to count for something!"

HOLY CHRIST ON A CRACKER. Bobby Jindal would have been a better choice in terms of strategy.

[jaguarr]

You don't have conservatives running anything 2000-the present. Thats the problem. You have individuals who used that mantel to get what they wanted. Theres nothing conservative about what George Bush has been up to. An obese government and deficit to match, not conservative.

I absolutely agree with you. The Neo-Conservatives have hijacked the Republican party and pretended to be traditional conservatives for quite some time, now (and many REAL conservatives are pissed about it and rightfully so). However, there is a HUGE chunk of the voter base out there that will vote for these folks, thinking they're regular conservatives because they hear that they are and that's good enough for them without looking beneath the surface. The Neo-Cons conjure up all the things that will get them those votes like abortion and gay marriage for example, and take focus away from the other things that might hint to true conservatives that they're a completely different animal. Neo-cons are wolves in sheeps clothing, fattening up the flock by pretending to graze with them, to paint a very accurate analogy.

jag

[Marx]

There is a huge difference between choosing a VP to make up for your inexperience in certain areas, and picking a VP to make up for your lack of a vagina. Let me ask you this... what does Palin add to the ticket that any number of other Governors dont? Other than being a woman?

:funny:

You know what I'm waiting for? Comments from Mitt Romney. I want to see his facial expression and body language when he goes on national tv and tries to say how great of a choice McCain made. :cwink:http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

[Tron5000]

Was that aljazeera? Sorry... that dog won't hunt.

Where's the AP story?


:thing: :doom: :thing:

Must I do all the work here? It's called a search engine, folks. It's pretty cool.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=5314609

ABC News, with a story from an AP writer. Hope that helps.

[rdh007]

As it should. McCain only picked Palin because of her gender and appearance. Being a political scientist, I have always been under the impression that Ferraro and Quayle were tied for being the worst choices for VP ever, because their selections were not based on qualifications but aesthetics. And now, McCain totally trumps those awful picks with a twenty-month governor of one of the most irrelevant states in the country, who is less experienced than Obama, who has no foreign policy experience at all, and doesn't appear to know a damn thing about national politics considering she has only served at the state level. At least Quayle was in office for a term, and at least Ferraro had two terms under her belt. They both had national experience as well, so while they were obviously only selected because they "looked like good candidates," they had a resume to work on.

Palin has governed one of the smallest states in the country, in terms of population, as well as one of the most politically awkward states. Alaskan politics IS NOT comparable to national politics; the state isn't even located on the continental United States. And her inexperience is so apparent. Women should be outraged that McCain only selected Palin to appeal to them, not to help lead this country.

And, before anyone can say "But Biden is from Delaware!"-- Biden is a Senator who has not only national experience, but international experience as well. You know what the McCain campaign says qualifies Palin's foreign policy experience? According to an aid on MSNBC today-- and I quote: "Alaska is close to Russia so that has to count for something!"

HOLY CHRIST ON A CRACKER. Bobby Jindal would have been a better choice in terms of strategy.

I feel like Obama made a pragmatic decision and McCain made an aesthetic (to steal your term) one.

Also, that Russia quote is hilarious. The mayor of Sault Ste. Marie, Michigan governs a city close to Canada (that shares a name with the Canadian city), shall we name him Secretary of State?

[Marx]

As it should. McCain only picked Palin because of her gender and appearance. Being a political scientist, I have always been under the impression that Ferraro and Quayle were tied for being the worst choices for VP ever, because their selections were not based on qualifications but aesthetics. And now, McCain totally trumps those awful picks with a twenty-month governor of one of the most irrelevant states in the country, who is less experienced than Obama, who has no foreign policy experience at all, and doesn't appear to know a damn thing about national politics considering she has only served at the state level. At least Quayle was in office for a term, and at least Ferraro had two terms under her belt. They both had national experience as well, so while they were obviously only selected because they "looked like good candidates," they had a resume to work on.

Palin has governed one of the smallest states in the country, in terms of population, as well as one of the most politically awkward states. Alaskan politics IS NOT comparable to national politics; the state isn't even located on the continental United States. And her inexperience is so apparent. Women should be outraged that McCain only selected Palin to appeal to them, not to help lead this country.

And, before anyone can say "But Biden is from Delaware!"-- Biden is a Senator who has not only national experience, but international experience as well. You know what the McCain campaign says qualifies Palin's foreign policy experience? According to an aid on MSNBC today-- and I quote: "Alaska is close to Russia so that has to count for something!"

This whole thing is just sickening. I've never been more disgusted.

Now that both candidates have their VP's in place, I cannot wait to see where this will go.


HOLY CHRIST ON A CRACKER. Bobby Jindal would have been a better choice in terms of strategy.

:hehe:

[Franklin Richards]

Forgive me for throwing out anything I see that has Aljazeera on it.

Reading it now. But I'm pretty sure it's not an ICBM.


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[SuBe]

I absolutely agree with you. The Neo-Conservatives have hijacked the Republican party and pretended to be traditional conservatives for quite some time, now (and many REAL conservatives are pissed about it and rightfully so). However, there is a HUGE chunk of the voter base out there that will vote for these folks, thinking they're regular conservatives because they hear that they are and that's good enough for them without looking beneath the surface. The Neo-Cons conjure up all the things that will get them those votes like abortion and gay marriage for example, and take focus away from the other things that might hint to true conservatives that they're a completely different animal. Neo-cons are wolves in sheeps clothing, fattening up the flock by pretending to graze with them, to paint a very accurate analogy.

jag
I can agree with portions of this. Washington is a Tennis match and the Citizens are the Tennis Balls. None of them Care, just avoid the guys who hit you harder.

[Excel]

HOLY CHRIST ON A CRACKER. Bobby Jindal would have been a better choice in terms of strategy.

:hehe:

[Humphrey Bogart]

I absolutely agree with you. The Neo-Conservatives have hijacked the Republican party and pretended to be traditional conservatives for quite some time, now (and many REAL conservatives are pissed about it and rightfully so). However, there is a HUGE chunk of the voter base out there that will vote for these folks, thinking they're regular conservatives because they hear that they are and that's good enough for them without looking beneath the surface. The Neo-Cons conjure up all the things that will get them those votes like abortion and gay marriage for example, and take focus away from the other things that might hint to true conservatives that they're a completely different animal. Neo-cons are wolves in sheeps clothing, fattening up the flock by pretending to graze with them, to paint a very accurate analogy.

jag

I agree with you, I'm just not too thrilled with giving the reigns over to Barack Obama and Joe Biden.

[Franklin Richards]

While yellowcake alone is not considered potent enough for a so-called "dirty bomb" — a conventional explosive that disperses radioactive material — it could stir widespread panic if incorporated in a blast. Yellowcake also can be enriched for use in reactors and, at higher levels, nuclear weapons using sophisticated equipment.

They can't even make a dirty bomb with this. His sarin gas was more dangerous. We were mislead.


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[hammy]

As it should. McCain only picked Palin because of her gender and appearance.

Women should be outraged that McCain only selected Palin to appeal to them, not to help lead this country.


These comments disgust and infuriate me. :cmad: You don't know why he chose her and to assume her gender and her appearance will have millions flocking to vote for their ticket is idiotic. You must really think people (particularly women) are morons. :whatever:

[Franklin Richards]

People. Including women re-elected Bush. So yes. People are morons.


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[Tron5000]

They can't even make a dirty bomb with this. His sarin gas was more dangerous. We were mislead.


:thing: :doom: :thing:

See, you have to enrich it first. It's a step toward a nuclear weapon. Stop trying to discount the fact that Saddam had uranium that would have been weaponized. He also had used WMD in the past (against his own people, no less). Google 'Anfal Campaign' and see what you get.

[RAMORE]

There has been much intelligence stating that Iraq removed missile delivery systems before the US invasion, likely to Syria.

But instead of information, how about some facts?

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2008/07/20087813165610303.html





550 metric tons of yellow-cake uranium. But I guess all the yellow cake was just in case somebody got hungry, right?



Exactly we didn't have perfect intelligence but there was stuff there. ^ including the rape rooms, bioweapons and a number of other atrocities:cmad: And I know, let me restate that, I know they WMD they just hid them Saddam said you take this home and hide it under your little girls bed until I send for it and if you argue I'll gut you and your whole family and thats how it went down.

[hammy]

People. Including women re-elected Bush. So yes. People are morons.


:thing: :doom: :thing:

Thank you, Aunt Petunia. :whatever:

[Marx]

These comments disgust and infuriate me. :cmad: You don't know why he chose her and to assume her gender and her appearance will have millions flocking to vote for their ticket is idiotic. You must really think people (particularly women) are morons. :whatever:

John McCain is the one who thinks people (particularly women) are morons. He proved that today. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon13.gif

[souvlaki]

These comments disgust and infuriate me. :cmad: You don't know why he chose her and to assume her gender and her appearance will have millions flocking to vote for their ticket is idiotic. You must really think people (particularly women) are morons. :whatever:

Seriously, how can you hear Palin, a social conservative, PRAISE Ferraro and Clinton and not see it for what it is? Pandering. It's disgusting that there are even people that would fall for this.

[metr0man]

This is a pretty bold and politically shrewd choice by McCain. A genuine surprise.

Upsides are obvious. A boost in women votes. Trying to re-boost his "maverick" image. Trying to show genuine forward social movement by the Republican party. Energize social conservatives by getting a SOLIDLY anti-abortion candidate

Possible downsides:

-Obama's lack of experience is one of the, if not THE, strongest argument against him........... so I'm sort of shocked he picked someone with even LESS experience than him. Huh????

-It's such a blatant grab for disaffected Hillary supporters/women that it's... well... a really blatant example of pandering. however I suspect this is one of those things that will still work to some effect. Both parties have proven in the past, pandering does work. If he gets a boost in women voters, its hard to criticize him, because it worked, and it's not a particularly "dirty" strategy.

[Gilpesh]

These comments disgust and infuriate me. :cmad: You don't know why he chose her and to assume her gender and her appearance will have millions flocking to vote for their ticket is idiotic. You must really think people (particularly women) are morons. :whatever:

On his short list he had not only men more qualified to be the VP... but also some women.

Why did he pick this one out of all of them? :whatever:

[SuperT]

These comments disgust and infuriate me. :cmad: You don't know why he chose her and to assume her gender and her appearance will have millions flocking to vote for their ticket is idiotic. You must really think people (particularly women) are morons. :whatever:

The pandering is so blatant that you not seeing it is just even more astounding.

[Excel]

These comments disgust and infuriate me. :cmad: You don't know why he chose her and to assume her gender and her appearance will have millions flocking to vote for their ticket is idiotic. You must really think people (particularly women) are morons. :whatever:

Oh, so you dont like McCain?

[Marx]

On his short list he had not only men more qualified to be the VP... but also some women.

Why did he pick this one out of all of them? :whatever:

Appearance goes a long way... :whatever:

[jaguarr]

I agree with you, I'm just not too thrilled with giving the reigns over to Barack Obama and Joe Biden.


Given the more centrist message that's coming out of the Obama campaign lately, they may actually be a SAFER choice for a lot of moderates to be quite honest.

jag

[SuBe]

This is a pretty bold and politically shrewd choice by McCain. A genuine surprise.

Upsides are obvious.

Possible downsides:

-Obama's lack of experience is one of the, if not THE, strongest argument against him........... so I'm sort of shocked he picked someone with even LESS experience than him. Huh????

-It's such a blatant grab for disaffected Hillary supporters/women that it's... well... a really blatant example of pandering. however I suspect this is one of those things that will still work to some effect. Both parties have proven in the past, pandering does work. If he gets a boost in women voters, its hard to criticize him, because it worked, and it's not a particularly "dirty" strategy.She doesn't have less expeirence than Obama, she has been serving public Office for 5 year longer than Obama.

[RAMORE]

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y66/ronito_cruz/party.gif

This is soooo funny but their is one thing wrong...Hillary is not in the damn car nobody picked her and she aint laughing not only is she not gonna be president she's not even going to be the first woman VP palin is:oldrazz:

[Tron5000]

Seriously, how can you hear Palin, a social conservative, PRAISE Ferraro and Clinton and not see it for what it is? Pandering. It's disgusting that there are even people that would fall for this.

And you had Bill and Hillary (liberal Dems) praising McCain during the convention. Not to mention that during the primaries, Hillary went out of her way to say that she thought McCain would be a great leader, and that's why we could not give Obama the nom. She said she would be better equipped to beat McCain in the general election.

It's disgusting that there are even people that would fall for this.

[jaguarr]

These comments disgust and infuriate me. :cmad: You don't know why he chose her and to assume her gender and her appearance will have millions flocking to vote for their ticket is idiotic. You must really think people (particularly women) are morons. :whatever:

The disgusting and infuriating thing is that the RNC and McCain seem to think women will flock to their ticket to vote because Palin is a woman. That's insulting. That's thinking people (particularly women) are morons. Palin was chosen over several FAR more qualified candidates. It's pretty obvious why.

jag

[Franklin Richards]

It's also a step towards nuclear plants. And I ****ing know you have to enrich it. Stop patronizing me. This is the second damn time you've done that. I just mentioned the gas. I know what he's done.

The IAEA had already begun to dismantle any program he could have started.

And all this is just one of the reasons in a long list of **** ups by the Republican Presidency, Senate and House.

It's time to throw the bums out.


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[Marx]

She doesn't have less expeirence than Obama, she has been serving public Office for 5 year longer than Obama.

I think it hinges on what you consider public office.

[souvlaki]

On his short list he had not only men more qualified to be the VP... but also some women.

Why did he pick this one out of all of them? :whatever:

Because she's a VPILF. Nothing more, nothing less. I have never been more disgusted by a VP choice in my lifetime. The idea that this would sway any women to vote for McCain really makes me sick to my stomach.

[jaguarr]

This is soooo funny but their is one thing wrong...Hillary is not in the damn car nobody picked her and she aint laughing not only is she not gonna be president she's not even going to be the first woman VP palin is:oldrazz:

She'll be Obama's Secretary of Health. Watch.

jag

[SuBe]

The pandering is so blatant that you not seeing it is just even more astounding.
You think this is Pandering, but the Party saying that "Universal Healthcare" is a right, Reduction in Middle-Class Taxes, but not High Income, Oil-Profits Tax, etc is not pandering? Pfft...

[Gilpesh]

Appearance goes a long way... :whatever:

Oh I know. I was just trying to say the same thing about Palin without saying it. :oldrazz:


She's a trophy VP.

[Franklin Richards]

Thank you, Aunt Petunia. :whatever:

I fooled all the morons here. Point for me.


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[X Knight]

and don't forget Biden, saying at one time, that McCain would do good serving America running for either party ( IOW....Biden praising McCain )...

[Marx]

And you had Bill and Hillary (liberal Dems) praising McCain during the convention. Not to mention that during the primaries, Hillary went out of her way to say that she thought McCain would be a great leader, and that's why we could not give Obama the nom. She said she would be better equipped to beat McCain in the general election.

It's disgusting that there are even people that would fall for this.

All of the major convention speakers praised John McCain's service. They all disagreed, however, with the direction he would like to take this country. There was no blanket praise of John McCain. The Democratic praise was very specific.

[hammy]

On his short list he had not only men more qualified to be the VP... but also some women.

Why did he pick this one out of all of them? :whatever:

Were you privy to his 'short list?' No, you were privy to what the media [i]reported[i] as his short list. We know very little about her as of yet. Obviously, he knows more. Time will tell.

The pandering is so blatant that you not seeing it is just even more astounding.
It's only pandering if people actually "fall" for it. You're assuming everyone is going to vote for her on the sole basis that she is female and attractive. :whatever: You must surround yourself with real geniuses. I wasn't going to vote for Hillary because she was female. Why would I suddenly vote for McCain because his VP running mate, is?

And anyway, you can't tell me with a straight face there was no pandering with the Dem's picking a mixed race candidate.

[RAMORE]

She doesn't have less expeirence than Obama, she has been serving public Office for 5 year longer than Obama.

Thank you!

[terry78]

If you're gauging experience as to someone who held office in Alaska vs. someone who held office in Chicago...I'm going for the latter. Yes, I would consider someone that was a mayor in a podunk part of the country vs. someone who has done political work in a metropolis area more experienced to lead the country.

[Marx]

Oh I know. I was just trying to say the same thing about Palin without saying it. :oldrazz:


She's a trophy VP.

I'm glad I could say it for you then! :oldrazz:

[The Senator]

These comments disgust and infuriate me. :cmad: You don't know why he chose her and to assume her gender and her appearance will have millions flocking to vote for their ticket is idiotic. You must really think people (particularly women) are morons. :whatever:

I am in politics. Palin has twenty months worth of experience under her belt. She has governed one of the most irrelevant states in this country. She hasn't done a damn thing worthy of the Vice Presidency. Yet McCain picked her because women are a key voting block, because she is attractive and would appeal to more than just women. This was a pick made purely on aesthetics.

If McCain wanted a truly qualified woman, he could have picked several. Rice, Hutchison, Marilyn Musgrave, Michele Bachmann-- all of whom have years of experience under their belt and would be qualified for the job.

Palin is not qualified for the job. Under no circumstances is someone who has only served twenty months as governor of Alaska experienced for the second-highest office in this country. And if the McCain campaign picked Palin because of her experience, they are obvious morons and should go down in history as some of the dumbest people who EVER advised a political campaign. She was chosen based on gender, to appeal to the Clintonites who haven't decided who they are going to support.

I never said that I think women are morons, either-- I actually said that women will be intelligent enough to see through this transparent mess in another one of my posts. So, instead of putting words in my mouth, understand where I am coming from when I say that Palin is an aesthetic choice, much like Quayle and Ferraro. She has no vision, she has not proven herself as a leader, and her politics are the type of politics we have seen before in this country. She is the WORST choice ever selected as a running mate, and if she is elected this fall, I pray to God that McCain survives his term. Otherwise, this country is in for a rude awakening once Palin is forced to lead 300 million people versus 700 thousand.

[SuperT]

She'll be nothing more then a "Yes Sir" woman like Condoleeza Rice.

[Humphrey Bogart]

The disgusting and infuriating thing is that the RNC and McCain seem to think women will flock to their ticket to vote because Palin is a woman. That's insulting. That's thinking people (particularly women) are morons. Palin was chosen over several FAR more qualified candidates. It's pretty obvious why.

jag

Mitt Romney was one of the top names on the list. I'm sorry but thats nowhere near good enough. I think it will the wise course of action to sit back at see how see fares as she makes more and more public appearences. I'm seeing a whole lot more knee-jerking here than I've seen on the par of Mccain. Why not wait and see what she is made of?

[RAMORE]

She'll be Obama's Secretary of Health. Watch.

jag

Who gives a damn she sure doesn't the only reason she stayed with bill and put up with all the crap was for her shot at history and working for Obama ain't gonna cut it, she doesn't need the money and that job's a joke to her.

[hammy]

The disgusting and infuriating thing is that the RNC and McCain seem to think women will flock to their ticket to vote because Palin is a woman. That's insulting. That's thinking people (particularly women) are morons. Palin was chosen over several FAR more qualified candidates. It's pretty obvious why.

jag

No, YOU guys are the ones saying that 'strategy' will work. SOME people may actually get to know her politics, like them, and vote for her based on that. Yet there will always be those who insist it was because she was a good looking woman. :whatever: Seriously? Seriously?

Hell, with that as the standard for 'success,' Obama should have asked Pam Anderson to be his running mate. :dry:

[SuBe]

If you're gauging experience as to someone who held office in Alaska vs. someone who held office in Chicago...I'm going for the latter. Yes, I would consider someone that was a mayor in a podunk part of the country vs. someone who has done political work in a metropolis area more experienced to lead the country.
Then you go back to, What has he done? What bills has he passed that is significant? And, we could go onto his lack of knowledge of Tax Policy (or political pandering, whatever you want to call it). I Mean, he wants to pass eliminating the Captial Gains Taxes on Small Businesses. Wow!!! :wow: That sounds all great, if you don't know anything about Taxes. There IS not Small Business Capital Gains Taxes, so good luck on eliminating them, Barry!

[The Senator]

Sarah Palin: The Double-X Dan Quayle
by Dee Dee Meyers, Vanity Fair

“Not again!” I thought to myself this morning, as news trickled out that John McCain was set to pick Alaska governor Sarah Palin as his running mate. Not again, because too often women are promoted for the wrong reasons, and then blamed when things don’t go right.

Don’t get me wrong: what I know of Palin (which admittedly isn’t much), I kind of like. I don’t agree with her politics. But in her two years in Alaska’s state house, she’s shown herself to be a scrappy reformer, a no-nonsense manager, and a consistent conservative. She’s also a mother of five, which in my book is a sterling test of leadership.

Since there are only eight women among our nation’s fifty governor’s, and only three of them are Republicans, she was certainly someone to watch, a potential comer on the national stage. At 44, she’s young, a fresh face, and wildly popular in Alaska. And it was easy to see her appeal during today’s Ohio rally, where McCain introduced her as his running mate. She showed herself to be an utterly down-to-earth hockey mom with an independent (one might say maverick) streak. And her gracious shout-outs to Geraldine Ferraro and Hillary Clinton for their path-breaking campaigns added a genuine note of grace.

But is she ready to be commander-in-chief?

Unlike Barack Obama, whom McCain has so emphatically condemned as not-ready, Palin hasn’t run for or served in the Senate. Nor has she run for president, which would have required her to think through and take positions on critical issues from the war in Iraq to the war on terror, from Iran’s nuclear ambitions to the Russian incursion into Georgia, from the emerging power of China to the march of globalization. She hasn’t debated tough opponents a dozen or so times or faced aggressive, often downright hostile reporters on a daily basis. Talk about untested. Her slim record undermines one of McCain’s most effective arguments against Obama.

Clearly, McCain thinks Palin will help him among women, particularly those disaffected Hillary Clinton supporters who are having so much trouble “getting over it.” It just shows how clueless the McCain camp actually is. Unlike Clinton and Ferraro, Palin hasn’t been a strong national voice on women’s issues. She hasn’t been at the barricades, fighting for women’s health, equal pay, economic security. And she certainly hasn’t had anything to say about the national-security issues that are also important to women across the political spectrum. Does the McCain camp really expect pro-choice Democratic and independent women to be swayed by a sleight-of-gender?

It’s such a transparently political decision, a double-X Dan Quayle. McCain made the decision to double down on his credentials as a take-no-prisoners reformer. But he did so at the expense of the more important qualifications for a running mate.

It’s not political to say that John McCain turns 72 today. That he’s a cancer survivor. That he spent six years being tortured and abused in a Vietnamese prison camp. Those are the physical realities of his life, and pure and simple, they demanded that he chose a running mate who is ready, really ready. That he put country first. Today, he failed that test.

Worse, when Sarah Palin falls short—and I hope I’m wrong but I think in important ways, such as her debate with Joe Biden, she will—some people will conclude that women can’t cut it. That’s unfair to Sarah Palin—and it’s certainly unfair to the rest of us.

[RAMORE]

She'll be nothing more then a "Yes Sir" woman like Condoleeza Rice.

Don't start talking about Condi or we are going to throw down:cmad: She's done a fantastic job, one of the highlights of this admin. Mcain should have picked her but couldn't cause everyone would scream more loook loooook another 4 years of Bush!

[souvlaki]

And anyway, you can't tell me with a straight face there was no pandering with the Dem's picking a mixed race candidate.

Wait a second here. I'm calling you out on this bull**** right now. You can't compare the two situations. The American people voted for Obama. Regardless of what you think about media bias, in the end it comes down to democracy. We voted for him. You can't possibly attempt to compare voting for a black candidate, and having a presidential candidate hand pick someone simply because she's a woman.

[Gilpesh]

Were you privy to his 'short list?' No, you were privy to what the media reported as his short list. We know very little about her as of yet. Obviously, he knows more. Time will tell.

The problem is... everyone sees a lot better people to be his VP. Even the 'guess' short list by the media has better people than Palin.

I'd probably quote Mr. Show on how she got the job but I'd be banned.

[jaguarr]

Who gives a damn she sure doesn't the only reason she stayed with bill and put up with all the crap was for her shot at history and working for Obama ain't gonna cut it, she doesn't need the money and that job's a joke to her.

Uhhh, you obviously don't know jack about Hillary Rodham Clinton, then. National Health Care has been a driving issue for her for decades, even before she became First Lady. She has a major ladyboner for it. Being Secretary of Health would allow her to lead that effort and bring a long-term goal and dream of hers to reality.

No, YOU guys are the ones saying that 'strategy' will work. SOME people may actually get to know her politics, like them, and vote for her based on that. Yet there will always be those who insist it was because she was a good looking woman. :whatever: Seriously? Seriously?

Hell, with that as the standard for 'success,' Obama should have asked Pam Anderson to be his running mate. :dry:

*sigh* I've never said that this strategy will work. In fact, I've said it may indeed backfire on the McCain campaign. But it is quite obvious why she was chosen and qualifications weren't at the top of the list. Her politics are right in line with McCain and Bush. Was anyone expecting that McCain's VP pick wouldn't be?

jag

[Marx]

Sarah Palin: The Double-X Dan Quayle
by Dee Dee Meyers, Vanity Fair

That's a pretty d***ing article...

[SuperT]

And anyway, you can't tell me with a straight face there was no pandering with the Dem's picking a mixed race candidate.

Uhm we the public VOTED for Obama as our nominee, he wasn't hand picked!

[RAMORE]

You know what i'm sick of is people screaming she's never worked in the senate she doesn't have experience!

First I'd rather a governor who runs and economy and 3 branches instead of making up laws.

Second Experience to me doesn't matter as much as your moral compass. I don't have hardly any experience (I sit on my City council and have since 2006) but I think I would be a fair president, definately a better one than Clinton. "I did not have sexual relations with that woman"

[hippie_hunter]

Now...is Sarah Palin ready to lead????
Absolutely not. However she is not running for President. We're not voting for Joe Biden and Sarah Palin, we're still voting for Barack Obama and John McCain.

[Marx]

And...here...we...go!


Barbara Boxer: Palin will not win Clinton supporters
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/29/boxer-palin-will-not-win-clinton-supporters/

[The Senator]

And anyway, you can't tell me with a straight face there was no pandering with the Dem's picking a mixed race candidate.

Wow, that is the most ignorant, misinformed post of the day by far :up:

Barack Obama was elected by the people, not only in this party, but by independents and Republicans as well. He won this nomination through campaigning and massive get out the vote efforts. He was an obscure Senator who managed to convince millions of people to vote for him, even in states where some thought it was damn near impossible for an African American candidate to win an election statewide (Mississippi, Alabama, and Georgia, for starters). People donated money to his campaign because they saw and agreed with his vision. And while many voted for him because he was black, just about the same voted for Clinton because she was a woman, and I reckon that many will vote for McCain-Palin this fall because she is a woman. Not all, not a record-breaking number-- but there will be some who will only vote for her because of gender. It happened in 1984, when Mondale chose Geraldine Ferraro as his running mate. It happened in 2008, when Clinton and Obama ran for the presidency. And I have no reason to believe it won't happen this November.

Palin, on the other hand, was selected by McCain. The voters didn't decide this. She didn't campaign in fifty states and several territories. She didn't travel across the country selling herself and her vision to the American people. She didn't do a damn thing-- she was CHOSEN by McCain, like Biden was chosen by Obama.

So, your little example is not mutually exclusive with the Palin selection. In fact, it is quite the opposite from the Obama nomination.

[RAMORE]

Wait a second here. I'm calling you out on this bull**** right now. You can't compare the two situations. The American people voted for Obama. Regardless of what you think about media bias, in the end it comes down to democracy. We voted for him. You can't possibly attempt to compare voting for a black candidate, and having a presidential candidate hand pick someone simply because she's a woman.

She saying regardless who voted the dem establishment picked him and being black had something to do with it.

[Franklin Richards]

Because getting a hummer is far more heinous than sending thousands of kids to their deaths for oil.


:up:


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[Marx]

No, YOU guys are the ones saying that 'strategy' will work. SOME people may actually get to know her politics, like them, and vote for her based on that. Yet there will always be those who insist it was because she was a good looking woman. :whatever: Seriously? Seriously?

Hell, with that as the standard for 'success,' Obama should have asked Pam Anderson to be his running mate. :dry:

I have never said that this strategy will work. I said it will backfire. And I hope it backfires with the power of a thousand suns!

As for Obama...you cannot compare a PUBLIC VOTE FOR Obama to another candidate HAND PICKING a running mate.

[RAMORE]

Uhhh, you obviously don't know jack about Hillary Rodham Clinton, then. National Health Care has been a driving issue for her for decades, even before she became First Lady. She has a major ladyboner for it. Being Secretary of Health would allow her to lead that effort and bring a long-term goal and dream of hers to reality.
jag

No shes been all about health care because she knows it's a good solid issue she could champion she was in it to win it nothing else.

[hammy]

I am in politics.


I am not impressed.



as twenty months worth of experience under her belt. She has governed one of the most irrelevant states in this country. She hasn't done a damn thing worthy of the Vice Presidency. Yet McCain picked her because women are a key voting block, because she is attractive and would appeal to more than just women. This was a pick made purely on aesthetics.

This is such an offensive comment. You are seeing her physical attractiveness and immediately discounting any political contribution she brings to the table. You make me sick.

And I bet you're one of those people who considers himself so progressive and tolerant. :whatever:



. She was chosen based on gender, to appeal to the Clintonites who haven't decided who they are going to support.

I never said that I think women are morons, either-- I actually said that women will be intelligent enough to see through this transparent mess in another one of my posts. So, instead of putting words in my mouth, understand where I am coming from when I say that Palin is an aesthetic choice, much like Quayle and Ferraro. She has no vision, she has not proven herself as a leader, and her politics are the type of politics we have seen before in this country. She is the WORST choice ever selected as a running mate, and if she is elected this fall, I pray to God that McCain survives his term. Otherwise, this country is in for a rude awakening once Palin is forced to lead 300 million people versus 700 thousand.

You implied repeatedly that women are morons by suggesting this was a calculated move simply to get votes. You specifically implied Democrats are morons by suggesting those who supported Clinton would apparently be swayed and impressed by another ... :eek: woman. :whatever: And there was nothing aesthetically pleasing about Geraldine Ferraro. http://bestsmileys.com/sick/9.gif

[Franklin Richards]

She saying regardless who voted the dem establishment picked him and being black had something to do with it.

I thought we picked him.


I'm part of the establishment!!!!


Wait. I voted for Hillary in the primary.

Damn.


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[souvlaki]

First I'd rather a governor who runs and economy and 3 branches instead of making up laws.

She's been a Governor for less than two years in a state with a population smaller than the city of Chicago. Give me a break.

[Humphrey Bogart]

Uhhh, you obviously don't know jack about Hillary Rodham Clinton, then. National Health Care has been a driving issue for her for decades, even before she became First Lady. She has a major ladyboner for it. Being Secretary of Health would allow her to lead that effort and bring a long-term goal and dream of hers to reality.



*sigh* I've never said that this strategy will work. In fact, I've said it may indeed backfire on the McCain campaign. But it is quite obvious why she was chosen and qualifications weren't at the top of the list. Her politics are right in line with McCain and Bush. Was anyone expecting that McCain's VP pick wouldn't be?

jag

Her claim to fame has been largely based on ani-corruption, that pretty much erases any ties to George Bush. Like i said before, racing to judgement here is foolish. The more she is exposed to the public the more we will see whats really going on. November isn't here yet.

[The Senator]

You know what i'm sick of is people screaming she's never worked in the senate she doesn't have experience!

First I'd rather a governor who runs and economy and 3 branches instead of making up laws.

Second Experience to me doesn't matter as much as your moral compass. I don't have hardly any experience (I sit on my City council and have since 2006) but I think I would be a fair president, definately a better one than Clinton. "I did not have sexual relations with that woman"

You know what? I don't care that she didn't serve in the Senate.

What I care about is the FACT that she only has twenty months worth of experience under her belt, governing one of the most irrelevant states in the country. Alaskan politics are incomparable to U.S. politics as a whole, it is completely different from almost anything you would expect to see in the mainland.

If McCain picked Pawlenty, I wouldn't be screaming "Oh my God! He didn't serve in the Senate!" I would say, "that's actually an intelligent choice, since he's from a swing state and has proven himself to be an effective conservative in a left-leaning state." Would I think McCain-Pawlenty had a chance? I would say that the playing field didn't really change.

But McCain-Palin? My god, I can't tell whether to laugh hysterically or vomit on my laptop. Even those business executives-- Whitman and Fiorina-- have more economic experience than Palin does, and they screwed up the companies they worked for. Palin can say she's successful, but that's only because she's been in office for twenty months and hasn't had a chance to deal with political turmoil or a serious situation.

Worse. Choice. Ever. I feel sorry for this country, I truly do.

[jaguarr]

Absolutely not. However she is not running for President. We're not voting for Joe Biden and Sarah Palin, we're still voting for Barack Obama and John McCain.

I disagree where McCain is concerned. Like it or not, he's 72 years old. Yes, he's been given a clean bill of health recently. However, he's a four time cancer survivor. That takes it's toll. What if it comes back? Will he be strong enough at this age to beat it again? He was tortured for years in Vietnam, and that's also could have some adverse effects on his life span and health. And when you get to that age, health can turn south very quickly and suddenly, even in otherwise healthy people. One nasty bout of pneumonia and he could be done. And the stress of the job of POTUS is immense (and that's understating it). Look at how much Bush aged, even in just his first four years. Look at Bill Clinton as he progressed through his Presidency. The amount of stress that position comes with is incredible and clearly ages a person faster than what would otherwise be normal. This could also have adverse effects on McCain. If any of these very easily occurring things were to come to pass, Palin's in the big chair so the VP choice in this election is much more important than it has been in years gone past, IMHO.

jag

[Marx]

Bush phones Palin, White House energized
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/29/bush-phones-palin-white-house-energized/





(From one clueless person, to another. :whatever:)

[hammy]

The problem is... everyone sees a lot better people to be his VP. Even the 'guess' short list by the media has better people than Palin.

I'd probably quote Mr. Show on how she got the job but I'd be banned.

Well I think there were better choices for Obama, as well. I actually think Biden will hurt him more than help. Rather than look for the progressive ticket wanting change, Biden just brings more of the 'same old, same old.'

[jaguarr]

No shes been all about health care because she knows it's a good solid issue she could champion she was in it to win it nothing else.

Are you for real? That has to be a troll post.

jag

[Superman]

i've got faith that americans are smart enough to know when a bad thing has gone on long enough and must be changed for the better.Don't hold your breath.

I lost faith in Americans back in 04 when they voted Bush back into office after he sent us into Iraq for no good reason.

[RAMORE]

She's been a Governor for less than two years in a state with a population smaller than the city of Chicago. Give me a break.

Who cares issues are issues and I guarantee she done more to help her people then the whole inept senate and congress combined!

[jaguarr]

Her claim to fame has been largely based on ani-corruption, that pretty much erases any ties to George Bush. Like i said before, racing to judgement here is foolish. The more she is exposed to the public the more we will see whats really going on. November isn't here yet.

Dig further. There's a whole lot more about her that puts her right in line with the Bushies. ;)

jag

[X Knight]

Casey, I don't know your politics, but all I can say is...."You Go Girl!" ( I'm assuming that you are a girl )

[RAMORE]

You know what? I don't care that she didn't serve in the Senate.

What I care about is the FACT that she only has twenty months worth of experience under her belt, governing one of the most irrelevant states in the country. Alaskan politics are incomparable to U.S. politics as a whole, it is completely different from almost anything you would expect to see in the mainland.

If McCain picked Pawlenty, I wouldn't be screaming "Oh my God! He didn't serve in the Senate!" I would say, "that's actually an intelligent choice, since he's from a swing state and has proven himself to be an effective conservative in a left-leaning state." Would I think McCain-Pawlenty had a chance? I would say that the playing field didn't really change.

But McCain-Palin? My god, I can't tell whether to laugh hysterically or vomit on my laptop. Even those business executives-- Whitman and Fiorina-- have more economic experience than Palin does, and they screwed up the companies they worked for. Palin can say she's successful, but that's only because she's been in office for twenty months and hasn't had a chance to deal with political turmoil or a serious situation.

Worse. Choice. Ever. I feel sorry for this country, I truly do.

You must not have seen where i said experience does not matter as much as intelligence and a moral compass when it comes to running this country I would be a fair president.

[hammy]

Uhhh, you obviously don't know jack about Hillary Rodham Clinton, then. National Health Care has been a driving issue for her for decades, even before she became First Lady. She has a major ladyboner for it. Being Secretary of Health would allow her to lead that effort and bring a long-term goal and dream of hers to reality.



*sigh* I've never said that this strategy will work. In fact, I've said it may indeed backfire on the McCain campaign. But it is quite obvious why she was chosen and qualifications weren't at the top of the list. Her politics are right in line with McCain and Bush. Was anyone expecting that McCain's VP pick wouldn't be?

jag

Then why would he do it? Obviously, there has to be more to her than that. I don't know anything about her yet, myself, but I am angry that so many are refusing to giver the the benefit of the doubt, at least until they know more, and assume it's all about her looks. :cmad:

And actually, her politics are not in line with McCain's. She's far more conservative and if there was any pandering involved, it was more likely to the conservatives than the undecided Democrats as others have suggested.

And yes, obviously, I would expect a presidential candidate to choose someone who's politics were in line with his ... that's why I was so disappointed in Obama's choice of Biden.

[Marx]

McCain camp hits back at Palin 'inexperience' charge
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/29/mccain-camp-hits-back-at-palin-inexperience-charge/





:huh:

[Franklin Richards]

"Whoever came up with the saying, "You go girl!", should probably go."

George Carlin


Just smack her on the ass on tell her to get you a drink too.

:D


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[RAMORE]

Are you for real? That has to be a troll post.

jag

What do you mean troll post?

[Humphrey Bogart]

Dig further. There's a whole lot more about her that puts her right in line with the Bushies. ;)

jag

I have been. George Bush is no better than a criminal when you get down to it. The only real thing she has in common with Bush and Co is oil. And from what I've read her dealings haven't been criminal.

[Franklin Richards]

You must not have seen where i said experience does not matter as much as intelligence and a moral compass when it comes to running this country I would be a fair president.


Didn't you vote for George Bush?

:thing: :doom: :thing:

[Marx]

Then why would he do it? Obviously, there has to be more to her than that. I don't know anything about her yet, myself, but I am angry that so many are refusing to giver the the benefit of the doubt, at least until they know more, and assume it's all about her looks. :cmad:

And actually, her politics are not in line with McCain's. She's far more conservative and if there was any pandering involved, it was more likely to the conservatives than the undecided Democrats as others have suggested.

And yes, obviously, I would expect a presidential candidate to choose someone who's politics were in line with his ... that's why I was so disappointed in Obama's choice of Biden.

Did you even LISTEN to her acceptance speech? A Republican does not praise Hillary Clinton or Geraldine Ferraro without pandering to the left.

[souvlaki]

Well I think there were better choices for Obama, as well. I actually think Biden will hurt him more than help. Rather than look for the progressive ticket wanting change, Biden just brings more of the 'same old, same old.'

He picked Biden because he needed someone to make up for him in areas that he lacked. You have yet to answer my question. What exactly does she add to McCain's ticket other than a few crazy PUMA supporters? What does she have that Mitt Romney, Mike Huckabee, or Tim Pawlenty don't?

[Gilpesh]

Well I think there were better choices for Obama, as well. I actually think Biden will hurt him more than help. Rather than look for the progressive ticket wanting change, Biden just brings more of the 'same old, same old.'

Well, Biden helps where Obama lacks... Palin has... um... guts? Yeah she can be a Washington outsider... in Alaska... in her early years.

[RAMORE]

Can I just say you guys are crazy fast typing and reposting stories and stuff we're gonna crash the hype if this pace keeps up:D

[Marx]

He picked Biden because he needed someone to make up for him in areas that he lacked. You have yet to answer my question. What exactly does she add to McCain's ticket other than a few crazy PUMA supporters? What does she have that Mitt Romney, Mike Huckabee, or Tim Pawlenty don't?

I know the obvious answer...but I'll refrain. :cwink:

[RAMORE]

Didn't you vote for George Bush?

:thing: :doom: :thing:

Yes, yes I did and I believe the majority of his decisions especially about the war were right on.

[SuBe]

What do you mean troll post?
He's saying he isn't taking your opinions seriously and thinks you are spamming the thread. I support you my Conservative Brother!

[souvlaki]

Did you even LISTEN to her acceptance speech? A Republican does not praise Hillary Clinton or Geraldine Ferraro without pandering to the left.

THANK YOU! Btw, you have no clue how much it warms my heart to be debating along side you instead of arguing with you, Marx.

[Excel]

I take it Casey is new to these parts...

[RAMORE]

But Biden is so much an insider and I thought Barry was all trying to say washington was broken and they need new people to fix it....how is biden new?

[SuBe]

Aggrieved-Girl Power
Obama-Biden appeals to the radical feminist Left.

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=OWNkYzBiMGIzNjc2YzJhNDMzN2E0ZGM3MzgzZjBkNTI=

[RAMORE]

He's saying he isn't taking your opinions seriously and thinks you are spamming the thread. I support you my Conservative Brother!

Oh...well thats stupid just cause my opinion is different he thinks i'm faking:whatever:

[The Senator]

This is such an offensive comment. You are seeing her physical attractiveness and immediately discounting any political contribution she brings to the table. You make me sick.

She doesn't bring anything to the table AT ALL besides her gender. That is why she was chosen. Had Hillary Clinton or Kathleen Sebelius been selected by the Obama campaign, I am under the distinct impression that McCain wouldn't have even considered Palin in the running for the spot. This was a choice based on gender.

It isn't offensive to say that women are a key voting block this election-- THEY ARE. And the Clinton supporters, the 20% of the Democratic Party which hasn't decided who they are voting for this election, are still up for grabs. Many of them have stated that they want to see a woman in the White House, that they believe Obama is sexist by not selecting or respecting Hillary Clinton.

So how does McCain counter that? By selecting a female running mate. Someone who can not only unite his base, but reach out to Democratic and independent women who are still on the fence about who to support.


And I bet you're one of those people who considers himself so progressive and tolerant. :whatever:

Yeah, I do consider myself progressive and tolerant. I respect women, ethnic minorities, religious groups, and many other people.

But I DO NOT respect a POLITICAL DECISION to select someone based on gender. It has happened before in our nation's politics, I don't see why it cannot happen now.


You implied repeatedly that women are morons by suggesting this was a calculated move simply to get votes. You specifically implied Democrats are morons by suggesting those who supported Clinton would apparently be swayed and impressed by another ... :eek: woman. :whatever: And there was nothing aesthetically pleasing about Geraldine Ferraro. http://bestsmileys.com/sick/9.gif

I didn't imply that women are MORONS at all.

I implied that the McCain campaign is filled with morons by believing that women will be dumb enough to flock to his campaign because he selected a female running mate. I implied that the McCain campaign is filled with morons by selecting the least-qualified woman in this country to serve as his running mate, and expecting the electorate to buy that he chose her solely based on vision and experience when she has neither of those two things.

I predict that women will see through this nonsense, and that they WON'T vote for this ticket. Because I feel many women-- like my mother who I spoke to today and has been on the fence over whom she would support-- will see that this is an obvious ploy to try and siphon away those undecided Clinton supporters who were offended that she lost the Democratic nomination and wasn't selected as Obama's running mate.

My argument is NOT that women will be dumb enough to flock to the McCain campaign... it's that the McCain campaign is dumb enough to think that women will flock to the McCain campaign because of his VP choice... MUCH DIFFERENT from the crap you're spewing.

I mean, you keep putting words in my mouth, but what you're really doing is showing how unintelligent you are, and how you cannot be taken seriously. The claims you are making are rooted entirely in fiction, because you think that I'm a big sexist pig by describing a political strategy which has been studied for twenty-four years and was just repeated this morning by the McCain campaign.

[Marx]

THANK YOU! Btw, you have no clue how much it warms my heart to be debating along side you instead of arguing with you, Marx.

It's my pleasure Souv! :yay: After Obama's convention speech, and McCain's VP stunt...I am firmly in Barack's corner! Obama dropped the facade and 'got real'. That's exactly what I wanted from him during that speech. And John McCain's decision...completely disgusts me!

[RAMORE]

I take it Casey is new to these parts...

Why, why is she new cause she doesn't agree with you?

[bell110]

HA! I knew McCain was going to pick a woman.

[jaguarr]

McCain camp hits back at Palin 'inexperience' charge
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/29/mccain-camp-hits-back-at-palin-inexperience-charge/





:huh:

LMAO! Wow. They're going to get pummeled over this decision if that's how they're going to defend it.

Did you even LISTEN to her acceptance speech? A Republican does not praise Hillary Clinton or Geraldine Ferraro without pandering to the left.

Exactamundo, Potsy. :up: Palin herself made it painfully clear why she was there with her OWN DAMN SPEECH! Half of it was specifically geared towards Clinton supporters (and not convincingly, either, I'm afraid). Shen she started praising Democrat women I just sat there thinking "Oh, brother. The B.S. starts immediately." Palin herself pandered with her own speech.

jag

[The Senator]

You must not have seen where i said experience does not matter as much as intelligence and a moral compass when it comes to running this country I would be a fair president.

Well that's not what I'm talking about, in my personal standing on this.

I believe that Palin's inexperience trumps Obama's tenfold, and proves how unqualified the McCain-Palin ticket truly is.

As for moral compass... I guess that means that you don't care about Obama's experience then, correct?

[RAMORE]

Aggrieved-Girl Power
Obama-Biden appeals to the radical feminist Left.

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=OWNkYzBiMGIzNjc2YzJhNDMzN2E0ZGM3MzgzZjBkNTI=

Wow that was a very informative article:up:

I'm guessing by your avvy you were probably for Huckabee like me?

[Excel]

Why, why is she new cause she doesn't agree with you?

Pretty much, yeah :up:

[souvlaki]

But Biden is so much an insider and I thought Barry was all trying to say washington was broken and they need new people to fix it....how is biden new?

If you honestly believe Biden is a Washington insider than you really have no clue what Joe Biden is all about. Just because you've been in the Senate for 30 years, that doesn't make you a Washington insider.

[jaguarr]

Oh...well thats stupid just cause my opinion is different he thinks i'm faking:whatever:

No, I'm not taking you seriously because you are dismissing Hillary Clinton's one, single DECADES long, personal passion project, saying she doesn't really care about it and is only interested in it for political gain. Up until recently, it's been an extremely unpopular idea to have some sort of National Health Care plan, yet she's championed it for decades, often to the detriment of her own career. Your opinion is baseless and shows you don't know what the hell you are talking about. THAT is why I considered your post a trolling post. Now go back to repeatedly mentioning why you think YOU should be the President of The United States. You were doing better with that one.

jag

[RAMORE]

Well that's not what I'm talking about, in my personal standing on this.

I believe that Palin's inexperience trumps Obama's tenfold, and proves how unqualified the McCain-Palin ticket truly is.

As for moral compass... I guess that means that you don't care about Obama's experience then, correct?

Correct I don't care one iota he was new to the politics game for me that is a plus in his corner. I care more about his experiences, like the fact that he used sit on boards with know terrorist and he seems to have people with very radical views around him, and that terrorists groups overseas are endorsing him that scares me.

[RAMORE]

Pretty much, yeah :up:

Oh ok then well as long as we got that out of the way:down: I think yall scared her off she hasn't posted in like a whole 2 minutes:csad:

[SuBe]

Wow that was a very informative article:up:

I'm guessing by your avvy you were probably for Huckabee like me?
I was in the begining, Check out the FairTax Thread. I knew that Huckabee on the Ticket would be un-electable, but I hope that their Conversation about the FairTax this weekend will Convince McCain, and when President McCain is in Office, we will re-new the National Push for a Fairer and Simpler Tax. :up:

[jaguarr]

Aggrieved-Girl Power
Obama-Biden appeals to the radical feminist Left.

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=OWNkYzBiMGIzNjc2YzJhNDMzN2E0ZGM3MzgzZjBkNTI=

Interesting article. I wonder if the author is aware of Biden's support on women's issues during his career. She didn't mention it at all other than to diss his law enforcement bill support, so I'm guessing not.

jag

[Marx]

Correct I don't care one iota he was new to the politics game for me that is a plus in his corner. I care more about his experiences, like the fact that he used sit on boards with know terrorist and he seems to have people with very radical views around him, and that terrorists groups overseas are endorsing him that scares me.

He has denounced his ties to the terrorist.

Reverend Wright is ONE person. Not multiple.

[Marx]

I was in the begining, Check out the FairTax Thread. I knew that Huckabee on the Ticket would be un-electable, but I hope that their Conversation about the FairTax this weekend will Convince McCain, and when President McCain is in Office, we will re-new the National Push for a Fairer and Simpler Tax. :up:

D*** it SB! :cmad:

[SuBe]

He has denounced his ties to the terrorist.

Reverend Wright is ONE person. Not multiple.
There was the other pastor, the white one. I forget his name. Pregger?

[Franklin Richards]

Isn't McCain linked to some crazy reverend who thinks that homosexuals are the reason for 9/11?


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[SuBe]

D*** it SB! :cmad:
:hehe: Just making sure you are reading my posts, buddy. :yay:

[Marx]

There was the other pastor, the white one. I forget his name. Pregger?

Yeah, that's right. I cannot remember his name either.

[RAMORE]

No, I'm not taking you seriously because you are dismissing Hillary Clinton's one, single DECADES long, personal passion project, saying she doesn't really care about it and is only interested in it for political gain. Up until recently, it's been an extremely unpopular idea to have some sort of National Health Care plan, yet she's championed it for decades, often to the detriment of her own career. Your opinion is baseless and shows you don't know what the hell you are talking about. THAT is why I considered your post a trolling post. Now go back to repeatedly mentioning why you think YOU should be the President of The United States. You were doing better with that one.

jag

I'm saying i don't trust hillary as far as I throw her and she looks fat...so if she says she's all for health care well?

National health care is a bad idea IMO.

Again my opinion differs and you call it baselss I think that's a qualifies as a personal attack.

Why not me? Why not you? I"m just saying alot of time normal people have a hell of lot more common sense than politicians. Biden, Hillary, Mccain they are all Lifelong politicians.

[souvlaki]

Why, why is she new cause she doesn't agree with you?

Because anyone that would think that Jman would question a woman being selected to be in a position of power simply because she's a woman without just cause obviously hasn't been paying attention.

[jaguarr]

I'm saying i don't trust hillary as far as I throw her and she looks fat...so if she says she's all for health care well?

National health care is a bad idea IMO.

Again my opinion differs and you call it baselss I think that's a qualifies as a personal attack.

Why not me? Why not you? I"m just saying alot of time normal people have a hell of lot more common sense than politicians. Biden, Hillary, Mccain they are all Lifelong politicians.

Your opinion on the subject was grossly uninformed and...yes, baseless. Sorry.

jag

[terry78]

The creator of the Commander-In-Chief tv show and The Contender movie says....uh-uh.

http://www.thrfeed.com/2008/08/commander-in-ch.html

[Marx]

Isn't McCain linked to some crazy reverend who thinks that homosexuals are the reason for 9/11?


:thing: :doom: :thing:

Yeah, he also believes that 'the gays' got what they deserved in New Orleans when Katrina hit. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon13.gif

[Marx]

:hehe: Just making sure you are reading my posts, buddy. :yay:

I always do! :oldrazz:

[terry78]

Every one in the political arena has a crazy reverend.

[SuBe]

Your opinion on the subject was grossly uninformed and...yes, baseless. Sorry.

jag
I don't like wealth confiscated pandering in the form of healthcare. I think it is Washington Controlling the masses, and New Vote buying rhetoric.

[Marx]

McCain and Palin disagree on Artice Drilling
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/29/mccain-and-palin-disagree-on-arctic-drilling/

[The Senator]

Because anyone that would think that Jman would question a woman being selected to be in a position of power simply because she's a woman without just cause obviously hasn't been paying attention.

Yeah, as a former Clinton supporter it kind of..... doesn't make a damn bit of sense. I've also worked for a female congresswoman, but I guess that highlights my blatant sexism or something.

[ih8nyy]

Cindy McCain= Cougar
Sarah Palin= Cougar

This is the makings of a winning ticket!

[Franklin Richards]

Heaven forbid a poor kids gets braces.


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[jaguarr]

I don't like wealth confiscated pandering in the form of healthcare. I think it is Washington Controlling the masses, and New Vote buying rhetoric.

Possibly. I think there are those with the right intentions behind the idea and those that are perhaps a bit more nefarious as you suggest. But one thing is absolutely clear about Hillary, and that is that National Health Care has been her hill to die for for a VERY, VERY long time. She's been passionate about it even when it was very unpopular to be so.

jag

[SuBe]

Heaven forbid a poor kids gets braces.


:thing: :doom: :thing:
Heaven forbid Healthcare gets rationed and if you are a 24 year old Female with Cervical Cancer can't get treated because you are too young, out of luck. Some Bean counter decided that it's not in the Budget, maybe in 8 months.

[Marx]

Emily's List founder plays 'experience card' on Palin
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/29/emilys-list-founder-plays-experience-card-on-palin/

[hippie_hunter]

Well, Biden helps where Obama lacks... Palin has... um... guts? Yeah she can be a Washington outsider... in Alaska... in her early years.

Palin helps McCain because she has no ties at all to the Bush Administration, has her career built on fighting corruption in Alaska which can help counter the corruption that has plagued the Republican Party's image, she strongly helps McCain in energy policy, she brings attention to the ticket when you have a half-Black man running on the opposing side, she'll strengthen McCain's standing among conservatives, she has more executive experience than Obama and Biden, she can help obtaining women voters, etc.

[Excel]

MY GOD is her voice annoying!

[SuBe]

Possibly. I think there are those with the right intentions behind the idea and those that are perhaps a bit more nefarious as you suggest. But one thing is absolutely clear about Hillary, and that is that National Health Care has been her hill to die for for a VERY, VERY long time. She's been passionate about it even when it was very unpopular to be so.

jagI will agree, she is passionate about getting a new Vote Buying scheme in Washington, this one in the form of Healthcare. You know, Jaggy, how Politicans use Tax Arguments and Social Security to scare people into vote either for or against someone? Imaging that, but with your life.

[Marx]

Palin helps McCain because she has no ties at all to the Bush Administration, has her career built on fighting corruption in Alaska which can help counter the corruption that has plagued the Republican Party's image, she strongly helps McCain in energy policy, she brings attention to the ticket when you have a half-Black man running on the opposing side, she'll strengthen McCain's standing among conservatives, she has more executive experience than Obama and Biden, she can help obtaining women voters, etc.

And how exactly is a woman supposed to serve with a man who doesn't believe in 'equal pay for equal work'? :huh:

Palin has already made the mistake of proclaiming 'I am woman!' in her acceptance speech. It's too bad she doesn't support causes for women.

[Franklin Richards]

Heaven forbid Healthcare gets rationed and if you are a 24 year old Female with Cervical Cancer can't get treated because you are too young, out of luck. Some Bean counter decided that it's not in the Budget, maybe in 8 months.

But between two women with the same cervical cancer, the one who brings in
100K a year goes to the front of the line and the one who makes 20k a year can rot in hell.


Ahhhhh that's better.


How bout a compromise? Let the rich one go to any doctor they want and the poor one can go get it for free?


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[hitmanyr2k]

She doesn't bring anything to the table AT ALL besides her gender. That is why she was chosen. Had Hillary Clinton or Kathleen Sebelius been selected by the Obama campaign, I am under the distinct impression that McCain wouldn't have even considered Palin in the running for the spot. This was a choice based on gender.

It isn't offensive to say that women are a key voting block this election-- THEY ARE. And the Clinton supporters, the 20% of the Democratic Party which hasn't decided who they are voting for this election, are still up for grabs. Many of them have stated that they want to see a woman in the White House, that they believe Obama is sexist by not selecting or respecting Hillary Clinton.

So how does McCain counter that? By selecting a female running mate. Someone who can not only unite his base, but reach out to Democratic and independent women who are still on the fence about who to support.



Yeah, I do consider myself progressive and tolerant. I respect women, ethnic minorities, religious groups, and many other people.

But I DO NOT respect a POLITICAL DECISION to select someone based on gender. It has happened before in our nation's politics, I don't see why it cannot happen now.



I didn't imply that women are MORONS at all.

I implied that the McCain campaign is filled with morons by believing that women will be dumb enough to flock to his campaign because he selected a female running mate. I implied that the McCain campaign is filled with morons by selecting the least-qualified woman in this country to serve as his running mate, and expecting the electorate to buy that he chose her solely based on vision and experience when she has neither of those two things.

I predict that women will see through this nonsense, and that they WON'T vote for this ticket. Because I feel many women-- like my mother who I spoke to today and has been on the fence over whom she would support-- will see that this is an obvious ploy to try and siphon away those undecided Clinton supporters who were offended that she lost the Democratic nomination and wasn't selected as Obama's running mate.

My argument is NOT that women will be dumb enough to flock to the McCain campaign... it's that the McCain campaign is dumb enough to think that women will flock to the McCain campaign because of his VP choice... MUCH DIFFERENT from the crap you're spewing.

I mean, you keep putting words in my mouth, but what you're really doing is showing how unintelligent you are, and how you cannot be taken seriously. The claims you are making are rooted entirely in fiction, because you think that I'm a big sexist pig by describing a political strategy which has been studied for twenty-four years and was just repeated this morning by the McCain campaign.


Great post. Saves me a lot of typing lol. This VP pick is nothing more than political pandering towards women voters and it doesn't speak highly of McCain's judgment that he would put votes over the security of the nation. You need a 1-2 punch in the white house, not a trophy Vice President. If something were to happen to McCain she's now running the country. That's a scary thought.

[jaguarr]

Emily's List founder plays 'experience card' on Palin
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/29/emilys-list-founder-plays-experience-card-on-palin/

I have a feeling A LOT of women's interest groups are going to come out of the woodwork against Palin. Call it the Bizarro-Hillary Effect.

jag

[SuBe]

But between two women with the same cervical cancer, the one who brings in
100K a year goes to the front of the line and the one who makes 20k a year can rot in hell.


Ahhhhh that's better.


How bout a compromise? Let the rich one go to any doctor they want and the poor one can go get it for free?


:thing: :doom: :thing:
If you want, we can continue this conversation in the Healthcare thread, I don't want to get this thread off topic.

[Hobgoblin]

I am in politics. Palin has twenty months worth of experience under her belt. She has governed one of the most irrelevant states in this country. She hasn't done a damn thing worthy of the Vice Presidency. Yet McCain picked her because women are a key voting block, because she is attractive and would appeal to more than just women. This was a pick made purely on aesthetics.

If McCain wanted a truly qualified woman, he could have picked several. Rice, Hutchison, Marilyn Musgrave, Michele Bachmann-- all of whom have years of experience under their belt and would be qualified for the job.

Palin is not qualified for the job. Under no circumstances is someone who has only served twenty months as governor of Alaska experienced for the second-highest office in this country. And if the McCain campaign picked Palin because of her experience, they are obvious morons and should go down in history as some of the dumbest people who EVER advised a political campaign. She was chosen based on gender, to appeal to the Clintonites who haven't decided who they are going to support.

I never said that I think women are morons, either-- I actually said that women will be intelligent enough to see through this transparent mess in another one of my posts. So, instead of putting words in my mouth, understand where I am coming from when I say that Palin is an aesthetic choice, much like Quayle and Ferraro. She has no vision, she has not proven herself as a leader, and her politics are the type of politics we have seen before in this country. She is the WORST choice ever selected as a running mate, and if she is elected this fall, I pray to God that McCain survives his term. Otherwise, this country is in for a rude awakening once Palin is forced to lead 300 million people versus 700 thousand.

Pretty much what I thought. "They picked a woman? Gee, I wonder who they could be pandering to." I hope that most women that are disappointed in the fact that Hillary didnt win the nomination are smart enough to see that Sarah Palin is no Hillary Clinton. She is very pro-life, which will appeal to pro-lifers, so in that regard, McCain made a smart choice. But otherwise,this is a pretty WTF choice.

[The Senator]

And how exactly is a woman supposed to serve with a man who doesn't believe in 'equal pay for equal work'? :huh:

Palin has already made the mistake of proclaiming 'I am woman!' in her acceptance speech. It's too bad she doesn't support causes for women.

Bingo.

If she doesn't support equal pay for women she is going to find herself hammered by the Obama campaign. And if she doesn't support a woman's right to choose, then there is no way she is going to claim the majority of those disgruntled Clinton supporters.

All of this is why Rice would have been the better pick. She has foreign policy experience (even if you disagree with her policies), she is pro-choice, and I don't think anyone in this country would be extraordinarily worried if she had to step in if McCain was unable to complete his term.

Palin is just an awful choice in general.

[souvlaki]

Palin helps McCain because she has no ties at all to the Bush Administration, has her career built on fighting corruption in Alaska which can help counter the corruption that has plagued the Republican Party's image, she strongly helps McCain in energy policy, she brings attention to the ticket when you have a half-Black man running on the opposing side, she'll strengthen McCain's standing among conservatives, she has more executive experience than Obama and Biden, she can help obtaining women voters, etc.

Oh yeah, I'm sure the ethics investigation she's facing right now will go a long way to calm those fears.

[Marx]

SARAH PALIN ON THE ISSUES
http://www.ontheissues.org/Sarah_Palin.htm





(Just a forewarning...you're going to see a lot of 'no votes on which to base response' and 'no opinion'. I wonder why... :whatever:)

[Frodo]

I gotta say in the midst of this debate it's interesting to see the tables turn . From June up to earlier this week there seemed to be non stop bashing of Hillary Clinton and her voters but now that McCain has picked a woman there's suddenly respect for her and her supporters. Obama's expirence was the subject of attack by the GOP but now that Palin's on the ticket it's suddenly off the table. Politics as usual .

IMO Obama and Palin are both qualified for their postions. They both have very little expirence in comparisson to their respective running mates but that's ok with me. It's the descions they make which are matters to me . I agree with Obama but I'm not gonna bash Palin for expirence when Obama lacks alot of it himself. I personally think Obama should have chosen Hillary Clinton . Likewise I think McCain should have picked Tom Ridge . Both parties have picked very liberal and very conservative running mates . I think they question is who appeals to the middle the best .

[jaguarr]

I will agree, she is passionate about getting a new Vote Buying scheme in Washington, this one in the form of Healthcare. You know, Jaggy, how Politicans use Tax Arguments and Social Security to scare people into vote either for or against someone? Imaging that, but with your life.

Interesting of you to paint an automatically Dystopian view of what a National Health Care Plan might cause, as if we would be unable to avoid the pitfalls that places like Canada have encountered in theirs. Love the extremist vision, babe. :word:

jag

[Marx]

I have a feeling A LOT of women's interest groups are going to come out of the woodwork against Palin. Call it the Bizarro-Hillary Effect.

jag

I really do hope so Jag. I hope they rip her apart.

[Excel]

We need to give John McCain credit.

He is clearly going after the eskimo vote, which has been almost completely ignored in previous elections.

[RAMORE]

He has denounced his ties to the terrorist.

Reverend Wright is ONE person. Not multiple.

I wasn't even talking about rev. wright there are lots of others.

I don't care if denounces them If mcain had Nazi's suporting him and he denounced them it would raise some questions what is it about him that they like?

[RAMORE]

[QUOTE=Marx;15569755]He has denounced his ties to the terrorist.

double post

[SuBe]

Interesting of you to paint an automatically Dystopian view of what a National Health Care Plan might cause, as if we would be unable to avoid the pitfalls that places like Canada have encountered in theirs. Love the extremist vision, babe. :word:

jag
Thanks, hun.

[hippie_hunter]

And how exactly is a woman supposed to serve with a man who doesn't believe in 'equal pay for equal work'? :huh:

Palin has already made the mistake of proclaiming 'I am woman!' in her acceptance speech. It's too bad she doesn't support causes for women.

You're ignoring my point though. My point was in response to what Palin offers to the table and she brings a lot.

She is going to bring attention to the McCain ticket because she is a woman. This is only the second time a woman has ever obtained the VP nomination in American history and the first time for a Republican woman.

Being a woman, she can help McCain grab women voters. Are most women going to go out and vote McCain because of that. Hell no. Most women are most likely going to still vote Obama. But there are voters out there who are going to vote for people because of race and gender.

She has absolutely no ties to the Bush Administration at all. This can help counter those retarded "McCain is another 4 years of George Bush" and "McBush" comments made by the Democrats.

The GOP is plagued by the image of corruption thanks to asshats such as Tom DeLay, Bill Frist, George W. Bush, and Ted Stevens. Palin has made a mark in her short career of Alaska as a fighter against such corruption and even targeted her own party in doing so.

She strengthens McCain's position of oil and energy with Palin supporting drilling within the United States, lower taxes on gasoline for Americans, etc.

She strengthens McCain's standing among conservatives and evangellicals thanks to her opposition to abortion and gay marriage, support for hunting and gun rights, being an actual fiscal conservative.

She can probably help McCain's standing in Iraq because her son is getting sent there. She can show that even people in the highest levels of government are giving something as well.

And in the end, even though she is as inexperienced as Barack Obama, she has far more accomplishments than Obama does.

As for your comment on McCain's opposition to the Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, McCain's response was that he believed that it did nothing to help women's rights but would help trial lawyers and others in the legal profession. He stated that education and training is what will help women more. Maybe she bought that excuse.

[Marx]

I gotta say in the midst of this debate it's interesting to see the tables turn . From June up to earlier this week there seemed to be non stop bashing of Hillary Clinton and her voters but now that McCain has picked a woman there's suddenly respect for her and her supporters. Obama's expirence was the subject of attack by the GOP but now that Palin's on the ticket it's suddenly off the table. Politics as usual .

IMO Obama and Palin are both qualified for their postions. They both have very little expirence in comparisson to their respective running mates but that's ok with me. It's the descions they make which are matters to me . I agree with Obama but I'm not gonna bash Palin for expirence when Obama lacks alot of it himself. I personally think Obama should have chosen Hillary Clinton . Likewise I think McCain should have picked Tom Ridge . Both parties have picked very liberal and very conservative running mates . I think they question is who appeals to the middle the best .

What is politics as usual is John McCain's choice of a VP.

[SuBe]

We need to give John McCain credit.

He is clearly going after the eskimo vote, which has been almost completely ignored in previous elections.
"Eskimo" is a not the PC term, the Tribes are Inuit, not "eskimo".

[The Senator]

Oh yeah, I'm sure the ethics investigation she's facing right now will go a long way to calm those fears.

Seconded.

Every one thinks that Palin is against all of the corruption in Alaska, when she herself has shown that she can succumb to it like anyone else in that state. The only thing is, her corruption doesn't involve building a bridge to nowhere or sleazy connections with major corporations. Her corruption involves firing people who don't play nice with her family.

[SuBe]

Seconded.

Every one thinks that Palin is against all of the corruption in Alaska, when she herself has shown that she can succumb to it like anyone else in that state. The only thing is, her corruption doesn't involve building a bridge to nowhere or sleazy connections with major corporations. Her corruption involves firing people who don't play nice with her family.
She asked for the Investigation. She wants to clear her name of any wrong doing. But, god forbid she fire someone for doing a crappy job, even though that person was kin.

[RAMORE]

http://www.johnmccain.com/Images/HP3/hp3_lo_logo.jpg
http://www.johnmccain.com/Images/HP3/ticket_main.jpg

^That's my ticket.

[RAMORE]

"Eskimo" is a not the PC term, the Tribes are Inuit, not "eskimo".

Don't you love how the dems act like every minority should bow down to them for all the great work they do for them:whatever: Women too when it was us the Republicans with the balls to say yeah a lady could help run the white house and we're going to put our money where our mouth is:cwink:

[X Knight]

http://www.johnmccain.com/Images/HP3/hp3_lo_logo.jpg
http://www.johnmccain.com/Images/HP3/ticket_main.jpg

^That's my ticket.

mine too. :woot:

[The Senator]

I gotta say in the midst of this debate it's interesting to see the tables turn . From June up to earlier this week there seemed to be non stop bashing of Hillary Clinton and her voters but now that McCain has picked a woman there's suddenly respect for her and her supporters. Obama's expirence was the subject of attack by the GOP but now that Palin's on the ticket it's suddenly off the table. Politics as usual .

IMO Obama and Palin are both qualified for their postions. They both have very little expirence in comparisson to their respective running mates but that's ok with me. It's the descions they make which are matters to me . I agree with Obama but I'm not gonna bash Palin for expirence when Obama lacks alot of it himself. I personally think Obama should have chosen Hillary Clinton . Likewise I think McCain should have picked Tom Ridge . Both parties have picked very liberal and very conservative running mates . I think they question is who appeals to the middle the best .

Obama's inexperience won't be off the table, though. The McCain campaign will continue to attack him for being experienced, as they have in the past. But the best part about that is, Obama can fire back by saying that his presidential ticket has more collective experience than McCain's.

McCain has been in office for twenty-six years, Palin has been governor for twenty months. That is a combined total of twenty-eight years worth of experience, give or take. Obama has been a senator for three years, but Joe Biden has been in the Senate for thirty-six years. That is a combined total of thirty-nine years of experience. The Obama-Biden ticket is clearly more experienced than McCain-Palin.

As for the Clinton supporters, I think McCain offended the lot of them by trying to earn their vote based on his running mate selection. A lot of them will flock to McCain, but they were almost destined to do that anyway. Palin just solidifies it for some of them. The rest, though, will clearly see it as pandering, and once Hillary herself speaks out against the selection, many of them will not move as quickly as the McCain campaign would like, if at all.

[Gilpesh]

I just heard that McCain met Palin once... and they barely know each other at all...

I think that might hurt any argument for her as VP that says McCain sees something in her that will mean she will make a good VP.

[Marx]

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[Franklin Richards]

I'm a Clinton supporter. Do you think that the fact that either Hillary or Palin has a vagina makes one difference to me?


"Wow. I'm against the war and for universal health care. But damn. That Palin vajayjay has turned me right around. I'm voting Republican!"

:whatever:


:doom: :doom: :doom:

[The Senator]

She asked for the Investigation. She wants to clear her name of any wrong doing. But, god forbid she fire someone for doing a crappy job, even though that person was kin.

We'll see what the investigation turns up. However, it doesn't look good if someone who is against corruption is caught up in a corruption scandal of her own.

But the scandal is not my primary concern with her. It is her vast inexperience. If she had another two years under her belt, then I would have no problem with the selection other than politics. But to select someone who has twenty months worth of experience as governor of one of the least-relevant states in the country to become the nation's second-in-command is ludicrous.

[SuBe]

Don't you love how the dems act like every minority should bow down to them for all the great work they do for them:whatever: Women too when it was us the Republicans with the balls to say yeah a lady could help run the white house and we're going to put our money where our mouth is:cwink:
I'm not a Republican. I'm a Neo-Libertarian Conservative. But, I do see the Double Standard. Not everyone can call Obama "Little Black Boy" and get away with it.

[danoyse]

ABC news in NY just showed reaction to Palin--it led off with a woman in Brooklyn going "Who the hell is she?!"

I was a Hillary supporter, and I'm voting for Obama. As a woman, I'm not impressed that McCain picked a woman for his VP because I feel like I'm being pandered to. She doesn't share my views and I wouldn't vote for her. She's no substitute for Hillary.

[SuBe]

We'll see what the investigation turns up. However, it doesn't look good if someone who is against corruption is caught up in a corruption scandal of her own.

But the scandal is not my primary concern with her. It is her vast inexperience. If she had another two years under her belt, then I would have no problem with the selection other than politics. But to select someone who has twenty months worth of experience as governor of one of the least-relevant states in the country to become the nation's second-in-command is ludicrous.

And my problem with Obama is his lack of experience for the role of First in Command. And his Facist Ideology, but most his lack of experience.

[souvlaki]

"In a CNBC interview about her ongoing ethics investigation, Palin stated that she was unsure about what a Vice President does every day."

Oh, bravo McCain. Excellent choice, my friend.

[The Senator]

http://www.johnmccain.com/Images/HP3/hp3_lo_logo.jpg
http://www.johnmccain.com/Images/HP3/ticket_main.jpg

^That's my ticket.

How can you have reform when you want to continue most of the same policies of the Bush administration?

How can you have prosperity when you want to continue the same economic policies which have caused our economy to drift asunder?

How can you have peace when you want to continue the war in Iraq, pursue military action against Iran, and are provoking the Russian government?

That tagline doesn't put country first. It puts neocons first and middle America last.

[The Senator]

And my problem with Obama is his lack of experience for the role of First in Command. And his Facist Ideology, but most his lack of experience.

Obama has more experience than Palin does. Three years in the United States senate beats twenty months in the Alaskan governor's mansion.

[X Knight]

hmmm...but didn't Biden say at one time that he WOULD NOT be interested in the VP slot?

it's politics.......things change........;)

[The Senator]

Don't you love how the dems act like every minority should bow down to them for all the great work they do for them:whatever: Women too when it was us the Republicans with the balls to say yeah a lady could help run the white house and we're going to put our money where our mouth is:cwink:

You're actually wrong on that. The Democratic Party was the first party to run a woman on their ticket in 1984.

[SuBe]

Obama has more experience than Palin does. Three years in the United States senate beats twenty months in the Alaskan governor's mansion.
That is if you count the 2 years he's spent campaining, and not voting.

[The Senator]

hmmm...but didn't Biden say at one time that he WOULD NOT be interested in the VP slot?

it's politics.......things change........;)

He said if he was asked, he would serve. But he also said that he didn't want to be asked.

[souvlaki]

hmmm...but didn't Biden say at one time that he WOULD NOT be interested in the VP slot?

At least he was aware of what a VP does.

[The Senator]

That is if you count the 2 years he's spent campaining, and not voting.

That's still six months more experience than Palin has.

[jaguarr]

"In a CNBC interview about her ongoing ethics investigation, Palin stated that she was unsure about what a Vice President does every day."

Oh, bravo McCain. Excellent choice, my friend.

Seriously? :lmao: I can't wait for the ads that feature video of her saying that. :lmao:

jag

[X Knight]

there are some of us here that actually like Bush.......:o

however, Bush is leaving office......either way.....there WILL be a change in the Whitehouse.......

[SuBe]

You're actually wrong on that. The Democratic Party was the first party to run a woman on their ticket in 1984.
But, back then it wasn't pandering, right? Today, and only because it is the Repubicans, it's pandering. Right.

[redfirebird2008]

Palin's inexperience makes Obama look pretty damn qualified by comparison. So after attacking Obama's inexperience constantly, McCain picks a person to be one heartbeat away from the White House who is even less experienced than Obama. LOL, hypocrisy at its finest.

[Franklin Richards]

"In a CNBC interview about her ongoing ethics investigation, Palin stated that she was unsure about what a Vice President does every day."

Oh, bravo McCain. Excellent choice, my friend.


McCain. Not very good at economics. Check.

Palin. Doesn't know that she's the president of the Senate. Check.


At least they seem to be upfront about their inadequacies.


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[Marx]

"In a CNBC interview about her ongoing ethics investigation, Palin stated that she was unsure about what a Vice President does every day."

Oh, bravo McCain. Excellent choice, my friend.

I look forward to the ads featuring this very comment. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

[jaguarr]

But, back then it wasn't pandering, right? Today, and only because it is the Repubicans, it's pandering. Right.

No, actually, Ferraro's VP slot was absolutely pandering by Mondale. Without a doubt. Didn't work then and it won't work now.

jag

[The Senator]

however, Bush is leaving office......either way.....there WILL be a change in the Whitehouse.......

Is Sheldon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheldon_Whitehouse) getting a sex change or something? :huh:

[StrainedEyes]

there are some of us here that actually like Bush.......:o

:wow:

[danoyse]

But, back then it wasn't pandering, right? Today, and only because it is the Repubicans, it's pandering. Right.

Back then they weren't trying to court the voters from the Democratic party who had spent the last year supporting a woman who was running for President...even having her reference that candidate in her own acceptance speech.

What they're doing is not only pandering, it's insulting.

[Spider-Fan]

McCain. Not very good at economics. Check.

Palin. Doesn't know that she's the president of the Senate. Check.


At least they seem to be upfront about their inadequacies.


:thing: :doom: :thing:

LOL...this is just too funny. You can't script stuff like this :woot:

[souvlaki]

Posted: Friday, August 29, 2008 12:27 PM by Domenico Montanaro
Filed Under: 2008, McCain

From NBC's Domenico Montanaro

Earlier this month, Gov. Palin praised parts of Obama's energy plan. The link to the press release was not working as of 12:30 p.m. ET. But Google saves everything.

Palin Pleased with Obama's Energy Plan
Includes Alaska's Natural Gas Reserves Print Now Printer Friendly

No. 08-135

August 4, 2008, Fairbanks, Alaska - Governor Sarah Palin today responded to the energy plan put forward by the presumptive Democratic nominee for President, Illinois Senator Barack Obama.

"I am pleased to see Senator Obama acknowledge the huge potential Alaska's natural gas reserves represent in terms of clean energy and sound jobs," Governor Palin said. "The steps taken by the Alaska State Legislature this past week demonstrate that we are ready, willing and able to supply the energy our nation needs."

In a speech given in Lansing, Michigan, Senator Obama called for the completion of the Alaska natural gas pipeline, stating, "Over the next five years, we should also lease more of the National Petroleum Reserve in Alaska for oil and gas production. And we should also tap more of our substantial natural gas reserves and work with the Canadian government to finally build the Alaska natural gas pipeline, delivering clean natural gas and creating good jobs in the process."

Governor Palin also acknowledged the Senator's proposal to offer $1,000 rebates to those struggling with the high cost of energy.

"We in Alaska feel that crunch and are taking steps to address it right here at home," Governor Palin said. "This is a tool that must be on the table to buy us time until our long-term energy plans can be put into place. We have already enjoyed the support of Alaska Senator Ted Stevens, and it is gratifying to see Senator Obama get on board."

The Governor did question the means to pay for Obama's proposed rebate - a windfall profits tax on oil companies. In Alaska, the state's resource valuation system, ACES, provides strong incentives for companies to re-invest their profits in new production.

"Windfall profits taxes alone prevent additional investment in domestic production. Without new supplies from American reserves, our dependency and addiction to foreign sources of oil will continue," Governor Palin said.




Man, McCain really didn't vet this choice at all, did he?

[The Senator]

But, back then it wasn't pandering, right? Today, and only because it is the Repubicans, it's pandering. Right.

Don't be a buffoon.

I said numerous times HERE, in THIS thread, that Ferraro was selected only because she was a woman. Ferraro herself admitted that she was selected just because she was a woman. So yes, it is pandering by BOTH parties.

What is it with people putting words in others' mouths these days?

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/Wilhelm-Scream/HYPE/superrolleyesua2.gif

[SuBe]

No, actually, Ferraro's VP slot was absolutely pandering by Mondale. Without a doubt. Didn't work then and it won't work now.

jag
We'll see.

[SuBe]

Don't be a buffoon.

I said numerous times HERE, in THIS thread, that Ferraro was selected only because she was a woman. Ferraro herself admitted that she was selected just because she was a woman. So yes, it is pandering by BOTH parties.

What is it with people putting words in others' mouths these days?

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/Wilhelm-Scream/HYPE/superrolleyesua2.gifIt's all part of the game, you know that jman. Where do you get those beautiful Smileys anyway?

[Franklin Richards]

Don't be a buffoon.

I said numerous times HERE, in THIS thread, that Ferraro was selected only because she was a woman. Ferraro herself admitted that she was selected just because she was a woman. So yes, it is pandering by BOTH parties.

What is it with people putting words in others' mouths these days?

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/Wilhelm-Scream/HYPE/superrolleyesua2.gif


He should have picked Ann Richards anyway. :D


:doom: :doom: :doom:

[souvlaki]

Don't be a buffoon.

I said numerous times HERE, in THIS thread, that Ferraro was selected only because she was a woman. Ferraro herself admitted that she was selected just because she was a woman. So yes, it is pandering by BOTH parties.

What is it with people putting words in others' mouths these days?

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/Wilhelm-Scream/HYPE/superrolleyesua2.gif

Actually, wasn't that what the whole thing a few months back with Clinton was about? She flat out said she meant nothing by her comment because she knew damn well she never would have been chosen if she wasn't a woman.

[jaguarr]

Posted: Friday, August 29, 2008 12:27 PM by Domenico Montanaro
Filed Under: 2008, McCain

From NBC's Domenico Montanaro

Earlier this month, Gov. Palin praised parts of Obama's energy plan. The link to the press release was not working as of 12:30 p.m. ET. But Google saves everything.

Palin Pleased with Obama's Energy Plan
Includes Alaska's Natural Gas Reserves Print Now Printer Friendly

No. 08-135

August 4, 2008, Fairbanks, Alaska - Governor Sarah Palin today responded to the energy plan put forward by the presumptive Democratic nominee for President, Illinois Senator Barack Obama.

"I am pleased to see Senator Obama acknowledge the huge potential Alaska's natural gas reserves represent in terms of clean energy and sound jobs," Governor Palin said. "The steps taken by the Alaska State Legislature this past week demonstrate that we are ready, willing and able to supply the energy our nation needs."

In a speech given in Lansing, Michigan, Senator Obama called for the completion of the Alaska natural gas pipeline, stating, "Over the next five years, we should also lease more of the National Petroleum Reserve in Alaska for oil and gas production. And we should also tap more of our substantial natural gas reserves and work with the Canadian government to finally build the Alaska natural gas pipeline, delivering clean natural gas and creating good jobs in the process."

Governor Palin also acknowledged the Senator's proposal to offer $1,000 rebates to those struggling with the high cost of energy.

"We in Alaska feel that crunch and are taking steps to address it right here at home," Governor Palin said. "This is a tool that must be on the table to buy us time until our long-term energy plans can be put into place. We have already enjoyed the support of Alaska Senator Ted Stevens, and it is gratifying to see Senator Obama get on board."

The Governor did question the means to pay for Obama's proposed rebate - a windfall profits tax on oil companies. In Alaska, the state's resource valuation system, ACES, provides strong incentives for companies to re-invest their profits in new production.

"Windfall profits taxes alone prevent additional investment in domestic production. Without new supplies from American reserves, our dependency and addiction to foreign sources of oil will continue," Governor Palin said.




Man, McCain really didn't vet this choice at all, did he?

The part in bold above from the article is also interesting, since Palin instituted a bunch of taxes on oil companies in Alaska where none existed before. :o

jag

[Marx]

You're ignoring my point though. My point was in response to what Palin offers to the table and she brings a lot.

She is going to bring attention to the McCain ticket because she is a woman. This is only the second time a woman has ever obtained the VP nomination in American history and the first time for a Republican woman.

Being a woman, she can help McCain grab women voters. Are most women going to go out and vote McCain because of that. Hell no. Most women are most likely going to still vote Obama. But there are voters out there who are going to vote for people because of race and gender.

The fact that she was chosen, and for pretty obvious reasons, is a gross lack of judgement on John McCain's part. He does not have the country's best interests in mind. He is clearly more concerned about his own self interests. If he put the country first, and took his role as Republican candidate for President seriously, he would have chosen Pawlenty or Romney.


She has absolutely no ties to the Bush Administration at all. This can help counter those retarded "McCain is another 4 years of George Bush" and "McBush" comments made by the Democrats.

Supporting a candidate's policies who fall in line with the Bush Administration is 'connection' enough for me, Hippie.


The GOP is plagued by the image of corruption thanks to asshats such as Tom DeLay, Bill Frist, George W. Bush, and Ted Stevens. Palin has made a mark in her short career of Alaska as a fighter against such corruption and even targeted her own party in doing so.

Considering that she is the middle of an ethics investigation herself, after only serving for TWENTY MONTHS, I would have to disagree with that.


She strengthens McCain's position of oil and energy with Palin supporting drilling within the United States, lower taxes on gasoline for Americans, etc.

She is also FOR ANWR drilling, while McCain is not.


She strengthens McCain's standing among conservatives and evangellicals thanks to her opposition to abortion and gay marriage, support for hunting and gun rights, being an actual fiscal conservative.

She can probably help McCain's standing in Iraq because her son is getting sent there. She can show that even people in the highest levels of government are giving something as well.

And in the end, even though she is as inexperienced as Barack Obama, she has far more accomplishments than Obama does.

Unfortunately, she blows a gaping hole through McCain's MAIN ARGUMENT against Obama - experience.

[rdh007]

As I thought about this, I thought about my family. I've posted this before, but I'm going to again. I'm aware that this is not academic nor is it probably even all that important, buuuuuuttt...

My brother and my step-father both identify as conservative. When we discussed Hillary, their common reaction was "communist *****". When we discussed Obama, my stepdad called him a commie and my brother was open to his candidacy.

Enter Palin:

My mother is an aetheist. Other than that, she would identify I'd bet almost completely with Sarah Palin. My mom sees herself as a working sports mom who also packs heat. (The fact that she's legally allowed to carry has done little to make me less in favor of gun control)

This leaves the tally in my immediate family at McCain 2, Obama 1, Undecided 1

Lastly, the fact that I read Stormin Norman getting so worked up about this before and doing all that spinning, makes me feel good about this choice working well for Obama.

[The Senator]

Actually, wasn't that what the whole thing a few months back with Clinton was about? She flat out said she meant nothing by her comment because she knew damn well she never would have been chosen if she wasn't a woman.

Yeah. When Ferraro compared Obama's candidacy to hers, she said that people were excited about Obama because he was black. Then people got offended by it, and at a speech of hers I attended last Spring, she explained how Walter Mondale told her that she was only being selected because he wanted a woman or minority on his ticket. Ferraro knew she was a pawn, but went along with it anyway because of the historical significance of her candidacy. Of course, the only people who bought it well enough to care were those in Minnesota and DC.

[The Senator]

He should have picked Ann Richards anyway. :D


:doom: :doom: :doom:

No.

Ann Richards didn't have enough experience in 1984 to become Vice President.

[The Senator]

It's all part of the game, you know that jman.

I think it is idiotic and insulting to accuse me of basically being a blind partisan when I have said REPEATEDLY the exact opposite of what you implied in your post.


Where do you get those beautiful Smileys anyway?

I'll never tell :o

[rdh007]

McCain met Palin ONCE before yesterday:

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/08/29/1307122.aspx

[Marx]

McCain met Palin ONCE before yesterday:

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/08/29/1307122.aspx

:slapshead:

[Handsome Rob]

On the bad side, the "experience" argument has gone out the window for the Republicans. Personally, I think Obama's experienced enough--I just vehemently disagree with his politics. That's why he won't get my vote.

However, I believe that Palin will be a net positive for the McCain campaign. The reason why is because I think she will pull in conservatives and Republicans who were going to "sit this one out" because of McCain.

Oh, and I see no difference in picking a VP that you think may help you win a certain state and picking a VP that you think may help you win a certain gender. Demographics are demographics . . .

[SuBe]

I think it is idiotic and insulting to accuse me of basically being a blind partisan when I have said REPEATEDLY the exact opposite of what you implied in your post.



I'll never tell :o
I would never accuse you of blind partisianship. *hug*

[jaguarr]

McCain met Palin ONCE before yesterday:

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/08/29/1307122.aspx

:lmao: That came from his own campaign, too. This just gets better and better!

jag

[The Senator]

:lmao: That came from his own campaign, too. This just gets better and better!

jag

Oh, of course it does. How on earth can you determine someone is worthy of the Vice Presidency when you barely met her? At least Obama worked with Biden in the Senate, and campaigned against him this past election.

This is going to blow up right in McCain's face.

[rdh007]

Oh, and I see no difference in picking a VP that you think may help you win a certain state and picking a VP that you think may help you win a certain gender. Demographics are demographics . . .

Except that winning a state is more important. Maybe he'll get more angry hilldogs than I'm thinking, but if he gets a little from each state, it wouldn't matter as much as getting OH or PA.

[souvlaki]

However, I believe that Palin will be a net positive for the McCain campaign. The reason why is because I think she will pull in conservatives and Republicans who were going to "sit this one out" because of McCain.

Oh please, they were never going to sit this election out in the first place.

Oh, and I see no difference in picking a VP that you think may help you win a certain state and picking a VP that you think may help you win a certain gender. Demographics are demographics . . .

Neither is good idea. That's the difference between McCain and Obama. Obama chose Biden because he needed someone to make up for what he lacked in experience. McCain chose Palin because she was a woman. The difference between the two choices is this:

An experienced VP like Biden compliments a so-called inexperienced candidate with the pedigree of an Obama. And at the same time, it doesn't compromise his message of change because final decisions will be Obama's alone. Biden will effectively advise him on foreign policy and provide insight into Washington bureaucracy. If something happens to Obama, Biden is more than capable of stepping in.

McCain/Palin is the opposite of that. If something happens to McCain where does that leave Palin? Now which one of these two candidates is looking out for the best interests of this country?

[redfirebird2008]

Oh, of course it does. How on earth can you determine someone is worthy of the Vice Presidency when you barely met her? At least Obama worked with Biden in the Senate, and campaigned against him this past election.

This is going to blow up right in McCain's face.

So he got up there today in his speech and talked about her as if he knows her SO well. That, to me, is an outright lie if he's only met her once.

[rdh007]

At least Obama worked with Biden in the Senate, and campaigned against him this past election.

They need to turn that into a strength. It got too bitter with Hillary. Which is probably why he didn't pick her, oh, and she didn't get called in to help with Georgia/Russia.

[Handsome Rob]

Except that winning a state is more important. Maybe he'll get more angry hilldogs than I'm thinking, but if he gets a little from each state, it wouldn't matter as much as getting OH or PA.


True, unless the ones she siphons off for McCain gives him enough to tip some battleground states his way.

[Marx]

Clinton congratulates Palin
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/29/clinton-congratulates-palin/





(Now that that is over with, wait for the gloves to come off!)

[souvlaki]

Clinton congratulates Palin
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/29/clinton-congratulates-palin/





(Now that that is over with, wait for the gloves to come off!)

This is actually kind of annoying me. Why is everyone playing nice? Someone needs to stop praising this as a great choice and call it for what it is. Noone on the GOP side returned the favor to Biden when he was chosen.

[Handsome Rob]

Oh please, they were never going to sit this election out in the first place.



Neither is good idea. That's the difference between McCain and Obama. Obama chose Biden because he needed someone to make up for what he lacked in experience. McCain chose Palin because she was a woman. The difference between the two choices is this:

An experienced VP like Biden compliments a so-called inexperienced candidate with the pedigree of an Obama. And at the same time, it doesn't compromise his message of change because final decisions will be Obama's alone. Biden will effectively advise him on foreign policy and provide insight into Washington bureaucracy. If something happens to Obama, Biden is more than capable of stepping in.

McCain/Palin is the opposite of that. If something happens to McCain where does that leave Palin? Now which one of these two candidates is looking out for the best interests of this country?

McCain . . . but that's probably because I'm a conservative. :woot:

I do think Biden was a good choice for Obama. But, given that neither Obama nor Palin can really claim to be the "experienced" candidate, I don't think either side can use that as an effective argument against the other. Formerly, the Republicans could. Not any more, though.

And, I disagree with your assertion about people not staying home. I guess we'll just have to forever speculate on that one . . .

[redfirebird2008]

This is actually kind of annoying me. Why is everyone playing nice? Someone needs to stop praising this as a great choice and call it for what it is. Noone on the GOP side returned the favor to Biden when he was chosen.

They will, once the honeymoon is over and people start actually looking at her damn positions, especially on women's issues.

[jaguarr]

Clinton congratulates Palin
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/29/clinton-congratulates-palin/





(Now that that is over with, wait for the gloves to come off!)

I have a feeling Hillary is just sharpening her claws. Palin's called Hillary a "whiner" in an interview before:

http://thepoliticalcarnival.blogspot.com/2008/08/sarah-palin-hillary-clinton-is-whiner.html

Don't think Clinton's going to let Palin get a free ride after that. If there is one thing Hillary is, it's vindictive.

jag

[Marx]

This is actually kind of annoying me. Why is everyone playing nice? Someone needs to stop praising this as a great choice and call it for what it is. Noone on the GOP side returned the favor to Biden when he was chosen.

It's all obligatory Souv. Everyone is still in shock, the fireworks ARE coming... :cwink:

[danoyse]

This is actually kind of annoying me. Why is everyone playing nice? Someone needs to stop praising this as a great choice and call it for what it is. Noone on the GOP side returned the favor to Biden when he was chosen.

Also McCain did put out that ad congratulating Obama last night.

They'll be at each other's throats before the weekend is through.

[SentinelMind]

This woman has GOT too see that she is nothing more then a tool for the Republican party, I mean really. What is she thinking in the back of her head?


This is a strong slap in the face to the women of America.

Yes, women need learn their place and stay in lock-step behind the Democratic party. :whatever:

[souvlaki]

It's all obligatory Souv. Everyone is still in shock, the fireworks ARE coming... :cwink:

I certainly hope so. Reading this thread while watching even MSNBC commentators struggling to find anything to criticize about this choice is starting to make me think we are ahead of the curve here.