The Sarah Palin Thread (You can see Russia from this thread)

[Marx]

Not sure if this has been posted yet



source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080923/ap_on_el_pr/palin_leaders

Why am I not surprised... :whatever:

[danoyse]

Why am I not surprised... :whatever:

This gets better:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/09/mccain-palin-ca.html

McCain-Palin Camp Tried to Block Media Access to Palin in NY
September 23, 2008 12:09 PM

ABC News' Kate Snow reports: The McCain campaign tried to limit access to Republican vice president Sarah Palin today as she met with world leaders in New York.

For a time this morning, the McCain-Palin campaign was refusing to allow any editorial presence -- no reporters or producers -- to go with a network pool camera to take pictures of Palin meeting with Afghan Pres Hamid Karzai, Colombian Pres Alvaro Uribe and former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger.

The McCain campaign eventually relented after the television networks threatened to ban and not use any footage of Palin meeting with leaders.

Palin is scheduled to meet with Afghan President Hamid Karzai shortly, followed by Colombian President Alvaro Uribe and then with McCain advisor, former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger.

The networks had arranged for a "pool" camera- one camera to cover the first few seconds of the meetings, whose video would be pooled or shared with all networks.

Such arrangements are standard when dealing with intimate high-level meetings between leaders and candidates.

But typically, along with cameras, there is an editorial presence-- at least one print reporter, one television reporter, and one radio reporter is standard.

However today the McCain campaign told media covering Palin's trip to New York that they would allow only one editorial person inside.

Then the campaign scaled back further, saying it will only allow a camera and no editorial presence.

The networks, including ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, and Fox fiercely objected to the McCain campaign's apparent effort to try to shield Palin from questions. Networks voted today to not use any video coming out of Palin's meeting as a protest.

Palin has not held a news conference since being selected as McCain's running-mate, nor taken questions from her traveling press corps, frustrating journalists assigned to cover Palin for the election.

After the television networks strenuously objected to the McCain campaign's effort to block any editorial presence from the room, the McCain campaign finally allowed one CNN pool camera and one pool producer into the meeting room.

As she arrived for her meeting with Karzai, Palin avoided reporters who were camped out at the main front entrance of the hotel, instead pulling up in a motorcade to a side entrance and quickly sneaking inside.

I think the media has had enough.

[Marx]

This gets better:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/09/mccain-palin-ca.html



I think the media has had enough.

It continues to amaze me how the McCain campaign believes that p***ing off the media is a good idea. Yet, they continue to keep pushing it and pushing it. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon13.gif

[jaguarr]

Wow. It definitely sounds like the MSM has had enough of this crap the McCain Campaign has pulled, shielding their little Princess Pitacudda from the media.

jag

[Matt]

Pittacudda? Is that a jag original?

[danoyse]

It continues to amaze me how the McCain campaign believes that p***ing off the media is a good idea. Yet, they continue to keep pushing it and pushing it. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon13.gif

They even dissed Fox. I really think the media has had it with them.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/09/frustrated-by-l.html

Frustrated by Limited Access, McCain Press Acts Out
September 23, 2008 11:48 AM

ABC News' Ron Claiborne Reports: It was like a miniature mutiny. Reporters frustrated by weeks of limited access to Republican presidential nominee John McCain shouted questions at him during a photo opportunity event near Cleveland this morning.

After accepting the endorsement by Local 18 of the International Union of Operating Engineers, Sen. McCain spoke briefly and then began shaking hands with some of the construction workers.

Several reporters shouting out questions from 10 to 20 feet away, asking about the financial crisis. McCain ignored them.

As he turned to head toward his bus emblazoned with the logo Straight Talk Express, he passed the camera riser and reporters. Two more questions were tossed out. McCain kept striding. Finally, Ed Chen of Bloomberg blurted out: "Is this now the No Talk Express?" Chen claimed later he detected a smile on McCain's face. Others missed it. McCain said nary a word.

The shouted question has almost never occurred during McCain's long presidential quest, in fact the Arizona senator was rarely unwilling to talk to the press covering him. For the simple reason that it wasn't necessary...until this summer, when a new regimen of message discipline was imposed.

McCain has not held a press conference since August 13. He no longer ventures to the press section of his campaign plane to talk to reporters. The rolling bull sessions on the bus are a thing of the past.

McCain's running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, has not held a press conference since being named to the ticket on August 29th.

Reporters were being kept away from Palin's meetings with world leaders. (Palin is scheduled to meet Afghan President Karzai and Colombia President Alvaro Uribe, among others.) Though the McCain campaign will allow a producer and camera crew to cover the event for the news networks, originally they only permitted a camera -- with no editorial presence -- inside the meetings. In protest of the McCain camp's original edict to refuse to allow editorial presence in the room, the networks had voted to ban use of photographs/video of Palin's meetings.

Coincidentally or not, after the press uprising, the McCain campaign announced that McCain would take questions -- a few -- at a campaign stop later in the day in Saginaw, Michigan.

[danoyse]

Wow. It definitely sounds like the MSM has had enough of this crap the McCain Campaign has pulled, shielding their little Princess Pitacudda from the media.

jag

I think they have too. I wouldn't be surprised if Biden's recent gaffes are not as widely covered as McCain/Palin's campaign's refusal to deal with the media. Payback's a *****, as they say.

[Matt]

But isn't this exactly what they want? So they can ***** about how the mainstream media is trying to destroy Sarah Palin just like they did Hillary Clinton and how the elite liberal media is trying to take down the good ol'fashioned values of McCain? I think if the media gets pissed, they will do exactly what the McCain campaigns wants them to do. Attack. Obama (wisely) stopped attacking Palin...so now they need someone else to do it so they can play victim even more.

[jaguarr]

Pittacudda? Is that a jag original?

Indeed, I did coin that term. Catchy, yes?

jag

[jaguarr]

But isn't this exactly what they want? So they can ***** about how the mainstream media is trying to destroy Sarah Palin just like they did Hillary Clinton and how the elite liberal media is trying to take down the good ol'fashioned values of McCain? I think if the media gets pissed, they will do exactly what the McCain campaigns wants them to do. Attack. Obama (wisely) stopped attacking Palin...so now they need someone else to do it so they can play victim even more.

It doesn't sound like the MSM is even going to attack, Palin, though. They're just going to stop giving her coverage. The best way to kill an attention-whore is starve them for attention, after all.

jag

[Marx]

I think they have too. I wouldn't be surprised if Biden's recent gaffes are not as widely covered as McCain/Palin's campaign's refusal to deal with the media. Payback's a *****, as they say.

The media shapes these contests. The McCain campaign should know that.

[Marx]

It doesn't sound like the MSM is even going to attack, Palin, though. They're just going to stop giving her coverage. The best way to kill an attention-whore is starve them for attention, after all.

jag

Exactly.

[Matt]

Indeed, I did coin that term. Catchy, yes?

jag

Pretty damn catchy indeed :up:

It doesn't sound like the MSM is even going to attack, Palin, though. They're just going to stop giving her coverage. The best way to kill an attention-whore is starve them for attention, after all.

jag

Hmm, I'll believe it when I see it. Palin's too big of a ratings draw for them to cut her off. Plus, y'know...she is...news. No matter how limited their access is, shouldn't the mainstream media be reporting news? Isn't that what they are there for?

The media shapes these contests. The McCain campaign should know that.

And that is exactly what they're hoping for. A few good attacks on Sarah from the MSM will go a long way.

[danoyse]

It doesn't sound like the MSM is even going to attack, Palin, though. They're just going to stop giving her coverage. The best way to kill an attention-whore is starve them for attention, after all.

jag

They're not attacked Palin at all. They're attacking McCain's campaign for not letting them near her.

From the CNN coverage we did get:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/23/media-presses-mccain-campaign-for-access-to-palin-meeting/

McCain camp tries to to keep reporters out of Palin meetings
Posted: 01:15 PM ET

From CNN Political Producer Peter Hamby

The media was allowed to observe Palin and Karzai for less than 30 seconds.
(CNN) — McCain-Palin campaign officials shifted course Tuesday after being informed by television news organizations that they would not broadcast footage of Sarah Palin’s meeting with Afghan leader Hamid Karzai Tuesday in New York — the Republican VP nominee’s first with a foreign leader — if a reporter was not allowed in to observe the pair.

Reporters were informed a CNN producer, acting as a representative of the other TV networks, would be allowed in the room to act as a media representative, just minutes before the photo op was scheduled to take place. However, print reporters and wire services were not allowed to observe the meeting, as they have been able to do at similar McCain events in the past.

The press only caught a brief glimpse of the vice presidential nominee. Palin was seated in a large chair a few feet from Karzai, with a table in between them. Seated slightly behind Palin were campaign foreign policy advisers Steve Biegun and Randy Scheunemann, who are accompanying the governor in her motorcade today.

As the pool entered, the Afghan president appeared to be telling Palin about his young son, who was born in January 2007.

Palin, her legs crossed and at one point patting her heart, was leaning in eagerly and smiling. Karzai, wearing his traditional clothes but without his trademark karakul hat, was also grinning while discussing the child. His remarks were mostly unintelligible as the noise from the clicking cameras drowned them out.

“What is his name?,” Palin asked.

“Mirwais,” Karzai responded. “Mirwais, which means, ‘The Light of the House.’”

“Oh nice,” Palin responded.

“He is the only one we have,” remarked Karzai.

After 29 seconds observing the meeting, CNN and other photographers covering the meeting were escorted out of the room.

Later, McCain-Palin press representatives chalked up the restrictions to a “mix-up, a miscommunication among staff.” The full pool — a print and wires reporter, along with a television producer — was then allowed in to observe Palin’s meeting with Colombian President Alvaro Uribe for 15-20 seconds.

[Mr Sparkle]

Pittacuda sounds like a Greek dish.

[Marx]

If the McCain campaign continues to attack the media and shield Palin, it's going to backfire with alot more than the media.

[Matt]

They're not attacked Palin at all. They're attacking McCain's campaign for not letting them near her.

From the CNN coverage we did get:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/23/media-presses-mccain-campaign-for-access-to-palin-meeting/

I'm just gonna throw this out there. It is very difficult to form a new world order with the pesky media trying to sit in on these meetings. Just sayin'...

[jaguarr]

McCain's Campaign is after coverage of Palin getting her...chuckle...foreign policy credentials by finally meeting some foreign heads of state. Big time. Desperately. That has to be a part of why they wanted to control the coverage so badly, so they could frame it how they wanted to. But they took it too far and it blew up in their face. The media knows how to play this game with the McCain Campaign....just stop giving them coverage for this kind of stuff, because that's what they're really after. You'd think that the McCain Campaign would have learned their lesson, though. The media has bashed them right back over the last several weeks whenever they try to manipulate or blame the media for anything and it's gotten McCain a lot of bad publicity in the process. You'd think they'd have learned to work with the media a bit more, but they are so intent on protecting Princess Pittacuda from having to answer any real questions (which tells me what their confidence level in their own damn candidate is) that they continue to piss the media off more and more.

jag

[danoyse]

And that is exactly what they're hoping for. A few good attacks on Sarah from the MSM will go a long way.

Again, they're not attacking her directly. They're attacking McCain's camp for not letting anyone near her, or changing the rules when they're supposed to be covering her on the campaign. By pulling this today they've completely pulled the focus away from Palin speaking with foreign leaders and made a bigger issue over the fact that they weren't allowed in. That doesn't make McCain look good.

[Marx]

They're not attacked Palin at all. They're attacking McCain's campaign for not letting them near her.

From the CNN coverage we did get:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/23/media-presses-mccain-campaign-for-access-to-palin-meeting/

Twenty-nine seconds??? :wow: Wow...they really are morons.

[jaguarr]

They're not attacked Palin at all. They're attacking McCain's campaign for not letting them near her.

From the CNN coverage we did get:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/23/media-presses-mccain-campaign-for-access-to-palin-meeting/

LOL! The fact that the McCain Campaign played all these stupid games with the press over this has already become bigger news that Palin's meeting with these foreign heads of state. LOL! Fail!

jag

[danoyse]

I'm just gonna throw this out there. It is very difficult to form a new world order with the pesky media trying to sit in on these meetings. Just sayin'...

But they had a deal in place before the meetings, according to ABC News:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theworldnewser/2008/09/sarah-palin-mee.html

The networks had arranged for a "pool" camera- one camera to cover the meetings, whose video would be pooled or shared with all networks. Such arrangements are standard when dealing with intimate high-level meetings between leaders and candidates. But typically, along with cameras, there is an editorial presence-- at least one print reporter, one TV reporter and one radio reporter is standard. Today, the McCain campaign had said it would allow only one editorial person inside. Now, the campaign is saying it wants only the camera inside with no editorial presence. All of the networks are objecting. Stay tuned.

McCain changed the deal, and the media got mad. You don't want to make the media mad in election year.

[danoyse]

Twenty-nine seconds??? :wow: Wow...they really are morons.

That's actually one of the headlines on CNN's main page right now: "Press gets Palin access for 29 seconds".

That's actually above the headline for Palin meeting with world leaders and the media blackout dominated the first half of the story:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/23/palin.foreign.policy/index.html

Palin meeting with world leaders ahead of VP debate

Story Highlights
-NEW: Gov. Sarah Palin at first says no reporters, then changes position
-Palin meeting with world leaders on sidelines of U.N. world summit
-Palin debates Sen. Joe Biden next week in St. Louis, Missouri
-Palin has had to defend herself against charges she lacks foreign policy experience


(CNN) -- Gov. Sarah Palin met with Afghanistan President Hamid Karzai on Tuesday, the first of nine major international leaders she will meet with in the span of just 30 hours.

The appearances with world leaders, taking place on the sidelines of the United Nation's General Assembly meetings in New York, come as the campaign of Republican presidential nominee Sen. John McCain tries to convince voters that Palin is ready for the world stage.

Palin is holding photo-ops with the leaders, but she is not taking questions from any reporters.

The Alaska governor initially said no reporters would be allowed to sit in on her meeting with Karzai. She planned to allow in only photographers and one television crew, but she changed her position after at least five U.S. news networks protested.

CNN does not send cameras into candidate events where editorial presence is not allowed.

Palin's upcoming schedule includes talks with Iraqi President Jalal Talabani, Colombian President Alvaro Uribe, former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger and U2 frontman Bono, who is known for his global humanitarian work.

"I think they want to show just as [Barack] Obama did when he went to Germany and gave a speech in Berlin, that she is comfortable on the international scene, that she can hold her own in conversations with foreign leaders," said James Hoge, with the Council on Foreign Relations.

Palin has just over a week to prepare for her showdown with Democratic vice presidential candidate Joe Biden, who is known for his prowess on foreign policy. Their debate is October 2 in St. Louis, Missouri. Watch what's on Palin's agenda »

Democrats warn that Palin's carefully scripted photo-ops, some of which will include Sen. McCain, could backfire by bringing attention to the holes in her resume.

"The big risk that they run with this strategy of having her meet with these leaders individually is that they end up with three days of stories about how she doesn't have foreign policy experience," said Hilary Rosen, a Democratic strategist and CNN contributor.

But Republicans point out that Palin is just following in the footsteps of other national candidates such as Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton -- former governors who needed to beef up their international policy credentials.

"The first thing you do is burnish their foreign policy credentials. You buy them a Rand-McNally, you meet with generals, you get a lot of flags on the stage and you give a big speech on foreign policy to display you have some command of the world," said Alex Castellanos, a Republican strategist and CNN contributor.

As a 44-year-old governor who just got her passport last year, she has had to fend off accusations that she is not up to speed on foreign policy. In a recent interview with ABC, she admitted she has never met with a head of state.

Asked last week for specific skills she could cite to rebut critics who question her grasp of international affairs, she replied, "I am prepared."

"I have that confidence. I have that readiness," Palin told voters at a town-hall meeting in Grand Rapids, Michigan. "And if you want specifics with specific policies or countries, you can go ahead and ask me. You can play 'stump the candidate' if you want to. But we are ready to serve."

McCain stepped in, pointing out that as governor of a state that has plenty of oil and gas, Palin was familiar with energy. She knows it to be "one of our great national security challenges," he said.

He also cited her nearly two years as commander of Alaska's National Guard.

"I believe she is absolutely, totally qualified to address every challenge as the next vice president of the United States," McCain said.

[Marx]

That's actually one of the headlines on CNN's main page right now: "Press gets Palin access for 29 seconds".

That's actually above the headline for Palin meeting with world leaders and the media blackout dominated the first half of the story:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/23/palin.foreign.policy/index.html

And McCain thinks this is going to help their campaign? :huh:





:lmao:

[jaguarr]

Another column from our own bored:

http://www.kansan.com/stories/2008/sep/23/cohen_how_palins_campaign_made_me_appreciate_hilla/

Cohen: How Palin’s campaign made me appreciate Hillary Clinton

Q: “What’s the difference between a hockey mom and a bulldog?”

A: “Lipstick!”

Huh?

That’s a joke Sarah Palin, the new bane of my Democratic existence, has been telling. You see, Palin is like a bulldog, as she is running for vice president, but she wears lipstick. Or maybe it’s that she’s a hockey mom who doesn’t wear lipstick, making her a bulldog.

I don’t know. I just work here.

Sexism has been a big issue in this election. It’s been an issue since Hillary Clinton first tried to get the Democratic presidential nomination, or at least since she realized that she might not win.

With that, and with the sudden ascent of Sarah Palin up the political ladder, both parties, as well as the mainstream media, have been falling over themselves trying to figure out how to handle a woman in presidential politics.

To really get a good idea of where sexism is in our society, let’s look at what it can mean. One definition has it as buying into gender stereotypes, like the idea that women are constantly emotional, that men celebrate sloth or that anybody doing anything normally associated with the opposite gender means they have issues of images or are homosexual.

As a man, I would have a problem if I didn’t spend all my time thinking about sex, beer and football. I find this offensive, as it both paints the male gender as rather unambitious but also criminally excludes baseball.

The other definition for sexism is a bit more relevant to recent debates in the political world. It seemed, for some time, like one of the major political parties would, for the first time in history, have a female candidate for president.

Others have run for the position, but none had the credible chance that Clinton did. And once she was in the race, the debate about sex in presidential politics began. “Can a woman lead the country?” “Are Americans ready for a female president?” “Is Clinton feminine enough?”

Before we go on, the answers to those questions are, respectively, “yes,” “most of them” and “Lord knows.”

But back to business, when the issue of a woman running for president came up, Clinton’s campaign took notice and responded. When her cold demeanor was blamed for an early primary loss, Clinton would make an appearance where she would break down and cry in front of the press. When she was deemed too weak and “feminine,” she would have a photo taken of her rather awkwardly downing a shot of whiskey.

Through it all, many of her supporters cried “sexism” at those who did not support her campaign. The bait was set, and the country took it hook, line and sinker.

Now the GOP has given us Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, a former beauty queen with five children. The GOP has used her as a tool to keep throwing the issue of gender at the Democratic Party, which has settled on the man who kept Clinton from achieving the feat of being a female heading a major party’s ticket as their champion.

Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama and his party must be weary of debating gender, and putting Palin on the Republican ticket prevents them having a respite from it.

Of course, Palin is nothing like Clinton. The majority of her exposure to national politics has come in the few weeks since she was put on the ticket.

She had no straight answer for ABC’s Charlie Gibson in a recent interview when he asked her for her opinion on the Bush Doctrine and what it is. She’s also never had to debate somebody like Obama’s running mate, Joe Biden, a man who isn’t afraid to tear his opponents a new one.

What Palin doesn’t do is challenge Obama the way Clinton’s candidacy did. Rather, it shows us the other end of the spectrum of gender roles.

Although I was never a fan of Clinton as a candidate and still think Obama was the better of the two, the GOP’s newest superstar has made me look back at what Clinton’s campaign meant and have some new appreciation for what she brought to the table.

Cohen is a Topeka senior in political science.

Not a bad high-level overview of how the subject of gender has shaped this election.

jag

[Marx]

In the 29 seconds the reporter got to cover Palin and Karzai were discussing the name of his child??? :lmao:

[danoyse]

And McCain thinks this is going to help their campaign? :huh:





:lmao:


The AP is reporting it as well, and getting a dig in that she has yet to hold a press conference:

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/P/PALIN_LEADERS?SITE=1010WINS&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

Palin bars, then admits reporters to UN meetings

By SARA KUGLER
Associated Press Writer

NEW YORK (AP) -- Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin, who has not held a press conference in nearly four weeks of campaigning, initially barred reporters from her first meetings with world leaders Tuesday, but reversed course after they protested.

At first, campaign aides told the TV producer, print and news agency reporters in the press pool that followed the Alaska governor that they would not be admitted along with still photographers and a video camera crew taken in to photograph her meetings with Afghan President Hamid Karzai and Colombian President Alvaro Uribe, who are here for the United Nations General Assembly this week. She also was to meet later with former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger.

These sessions and meetings scheduled for Wednesday are part of the Republican campaign's effort to give Palin experience in foreign affairs. She has never met a foreign head of state and first traveled outside North America just last year.

At least two news organizations, including The Associated Press, objected to the exclusion of reporters and were told that the decision was not subject to discussion. Presidents and members of Congress routinely allow reporters to attend photo opportunities along with photographers and the reporters sometimes are able to ask questions during the brief photo sessions, usually held at the beginning of private meetings.

CNN, which was providing the television coverage for news organizations, decided to pull its TV crew from the first meeting, with Karzai, effectively denying Palin the high visibility she had sought. But after the campaign agreed to let CNN's producer in as well, the CNN camera crew joined the session.

According to the CNN producer who was let into Karzai's hotel suite with the photographers just before noon, Karzai was talking about his son. Palin was nodding, and asked what his name is. Karzai replied his name was Mirwais and explained that it means light of the house.

The media were escorted out after about 40 seconds.

Campaign aides subsequently announced that reporters would be allowed to accompany photographers into the later sessions with Uribe and Kissinger.

At that point, campaign spokeswoman Tracey Schmitt said it was all just a "miscommunication." Earlier, she had said, "The decision was made for this to be a photo spray with still cameras and video cameras only."

Palin has been criticized for avoiding taking questions from reporters or submitting to one-on-one interviews. She has had just two major interviews since Republican presidential candidate John McCain chose her as his running mate on Aug. 29.

On Wednesday, McCain and Palin were expected to meet jointly with Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili and Ukrainian President Viktor Yuschenko. Palin was then to meet separately with Iraqi President Jalal Talabani, Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari and Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh.

[Mr Sparkle]

Bored lives in Topeka?

[lazur]

It continues to amaze me how the McCain campaign believes that p***ing off the media is a good idea. Yet, they continue to keep pushing it and pushing it. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon13.gif

Actually, I think I understand why they're doing it, not that I agree. It's done wonders to get everyone opposed to Palin to completely underestimate her. Yet if she's proven anything, it's that she knows her stuff when she needs to.

All of this hype is going to translate well into many viewers during her debate with Biden, and I have the feeling that she's not quite the idiot she's been made out to be. But we'll see.

[Raiden]

How is Palin fit to be a prez at a moment's notice, if they have to hold her hands all the way through the presidential campaign? All these sheltering will only reinforce the preception that she is inexperienced and unfit to be a veep.

[Mr Sparkle]

she's playing possum? well then she's the best actress ever.
she should've gotten the Emmy instead of Tina Fey

[jaguarr]

When exactly has Palin proven that she knows her stuff when she needs to? I haven't heard anything out of her that gives me confidence that she knows what the hell she's talking about. Sorry.

jag

[danoyse]

Actually, I think I understand why they're doing it, not that I agree. It's done wonders to get everyone opposed to Palin to completely underestimate her. Yet if she's proven anything, it's that she knows her stuff when she needs to.

All of this hype is going to translate well into many viewers during her debate with Biden, and I have the feeling that she's not quite the idiot she's been made out to be. But we'll see.

I don't think that she's an idiot. I just think she's completely unprepared to answer certain questions that she needs to be answering at this stage. If she could answer them, McCain's camp wouldn't be shielding her from the media so much.

I think the best way to show everyone who has doubts about her qualifications is to let her go out there and address questions on her own. If she's really such a "pitbull", then it shouldn't be a problem. That speech at the RNC was nearly a month ago now and no one is talking about her family anymore. They really have no excuses to keep her from a press conference or to pull stunts like they did today. This can't be helping them right now.

[StrainedEyes]

Actually, I think I understand why they're doing it, not that I agree. It's done wonders to get everyone opposed to Palin to completely underestimate her. Yet if she's proven anything, it's that she knows her stuff when she needs to.

All of this hype is going to translate well into many viewers during her debate with Biden, and I have the feeling that she's not quite the idiot she's been made out to be. But we'll see.

When exactly did she prove that? :huh:

[Gilpesh]

When exactly did she prove that? :huh:

And the Hannity interview... isn't proof.

[sinewave]

But isn't this exactly what they want? So they can ***** about how the mainstream media is trying to destroy Sarah Palin just like they did Hillary Clinton and how the elite liberal media is trying to take down the good ol'fashioned values of McCain? I think if the media gets pissed, they will do exactly what the McCain campaigns wants them to do. Attack. Obama (wisely) stopped attacking Palin...so now they need someone else to do it so they can play victim even more.

when did he start? seriously.

They're not attacked Palin at all. They're attacking McCain's campaign for not letting them near her.

From the CNN coverage we did get:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/23/media-presses-mccain-campaign-for-access-to-palin-meeting/

i wonder how karzai feels about being propped up as her foreign policy show pony?

[jaguarr]

i wonder how karzai feels about being propped up as her foreign policy show pony?


McCain tricked him and told Karzai that he was inviting him to a dog show, which technically isn't a lie. :hehe:

jag

[Superman]

Actually, I think I understand why they're doing it, not that I agree. It's done wonders to get everyone opposed to Palin to completely underestimate her. Yet if she's proven anything, it's that she knows her stuff when she needs to.

All of this hype is going to translate well into many viewers during her debate with Biden, and I have the feeling that she's not quite the idiot she's been made out to be. But we'll see.


When exactly did she prove that? :huh:Yeah, I'd like to hear this one.

The only thing Palin has proven is that she can dodge the press.:whatever:

[DorkyFresh]

She's proven that she knows how to waste money...

JoXbg8bZvEw

[DorkyFresh]

edit: double post

[Marx]

She's proven that she knows how to waste money...

JoXbg8bZvEw

That's sexist!!! :lmao:

[sinewave]

McCain tricked him and told Karzai that he was inviting him to a dog show, which technically isn't a lie. :hehe:

jag

:woot: i'd love to hear his candid thoughts on her after this little meeting.

[jaguarr]

She's proven that she knows how to waste money...

JoXbg8bZvEw

She kept building the damn road even after the bridge was cancelled? That's...asinine. :huh: Between this and the second bridge...wow...

jag

[jaguarr]

:woot: i'd love to hear his candid thoughts on her after this little meeting.

"The judges scores are coming in, now. A 10 from the U.S. judge. And...yes, a 4 from the Afghani judge. That has GOT to hurt. Over to you, Bob."

jag

[sinewave]

"The judges scores are coming in, now. A 10 from the U.S. judge. And...yes, a 4 from the Afghani judge. That has GOT to hurt. Over to you, Bob."

jag

karzai after the meeting, "what the hell was that?!?" *walks away in a daze*

[hitmanyr2k]

All that for a freakin photo-op. If I'm one of the shunned news organizations I don't let one photo of this "meeting" be seen on the news or the net. Don't give them any press at all.

[DorkyFresh]

That's sexist!!! :lmao:

haha, that DOES sound kinda sexist....i didn't even realize....

[sinewave]

from cnn.com:

As the pool entered, the Afghan president appeared to be telling Palin about his young son, who was born in January 2007.

Palin, her legs crossed and at one point patting her heart, was leaning in eagerly and smiling. Karzai, wearing his traditional clothes but without his trademark karakul hat, was also grinning while discussing the child. His remarks were mostly unintelligible as the noise from the clicking cameras drowned them out.

“What is his name?,” Palin asked.

“Mirwais,” Karzai responded. “Mirwais, which means, ‘The Light of the House.’”

“Oh nice,” Palin responded.

i wonder if karzai asked her what her kids' names mean? :dry:

[Hobgoblin]

Actually, I think I understand why they're doing it, not that I agree. It's done wonders to get everyone opposed to Palin to completely underestimate her. Yet if she's proven anything, it's that she knows her stuff when she needs to.

All of this hype is going to translate well into many viewers during her debate with Biden, and I have the feeling that she's not quite the idiot she's been made out to be. But we'll see.

She may well be smarter than she seems but I still wouldnt want her to be a heart beat from the Presidency. I like to think that I'm fairly intelligent even I wouldnt vote for me.

She kept building the damn road even after the bridge was cancelled? That's...asinine. :huh: Between this and the second bridge...wow...

jag

Eight million dollars per mile to build the road to nowhere. Thats exactly the kind of economic sense we need right now. Good thing John is the economic mind. :dry:

[Hobgoblin]

Edit.

[sinewave]

She may well be smarter than she seems but I still wouldnt want her to be a heart beat from the Presidency. I like to think that I'm fairly intelligent even I wouldnt vote for me.



Eight million dollars per mile to build the road to nowhere. Thats exactly the kind of economic sense we need right now. Good thing John is the economic mind. :dry:

that reminds me of mayor "diamond" joe quimby's campaign slogan from the simpsons, "vote for joe quimby: if you were running for mayor, he'd vote for you."

[Hobgoblin]

that reminds me of mayor "diamond" joe quimby's campaign slogan from the simpsons, "vote for joe quimby: if you were running for mayor, he'd vote for you."

Well, like mayor Quimby, the one thing that might make me change my mind is the floozies. Gotta love all the flozzies.

[sinewave]

Well, like mayor Quimby, the one thing that might make me change my mind is the floozies. Gotta love all the flozzies.

it's not a bad platform to run on. :cwink:

[Hobgoblin]

it's not a bad platform to run on. :cwink:

Worked for Clinton. :hehe:

[Superman]

Actually, I think I understand why they're doing it, not that I agree. It's done wonders to get everyone opposed to Palin to completely underestimate her. Yet if she's proven anything, it's that she knows her stuff when she needs to.

All of this hype is going to translate well into many viewers during her debate with Biden, and I have the feeling that she's not quite the idiot she's been made out to be. But we'll see.


When exactly did she prove that? :huh:Hey lazur, You still with us? You want to answer this one or just ignore it like always?

[The Senator]

Is Sarah Palin Having an Affair??! (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=312159)

[Raiden]

Is Sarah Palin Having an Affair??! (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=312159)

:wow:

[sinewave]

Is Sarah Palin Having an Affair??! (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=312159)

i heard her 5-month old is having an affair, too. for shame!

[comicgirl]

And the knocked up teenager w/the baby daddy.











ANybody else think it's funny that McCain's trying to keep her in a bottle til Nov?........HEHEHEHEH.....right

[jaguarr]

Even the Christian Science Monitor is getting in on the act over this media flap today:

http://features.csmonitor.com/politics/2008/09/23/why-wont-sarah-palin-talk-to-the-press/

Why won’t Sarah Palin talk to the press?
By Jimmy Orr | 09.23.08

At one time, Joe Biden was the mystery man. Not getting any press. Not making any noise. That wasn’t of his own doing, of course. He was just being ignored. John McCain, Barack Obama, and Sarah Palin were just too newsworthy.

Not recently, however. Biden’s been all over the news. Some of his appearances have been positive for the campaign and some have made the Obama campaign wince, grimace, and imitate the Homer Simpson, “Doh!”

But he’s been out there. Sure, he dramatized the helicopter incident. And sure he flip-flopped on the McCain disco commercial. But he’s also fired up the base at different gatherings and has spoken forcefully about Obama’s agenda and slammed McCain into next year. And he’s given the press whatever they wanted.

Dick Cheney

We can’t say the same thing about the Republican nominee for vice president. In fact, it’s the polar opposite.

It’s like she’s disappeared in to Al Gore’s infamous lockbox. Either that or she’s pulling off the greatest impersonation ever of Dick Cheney in an undisclosed location.

We changed our minds

Today, for example, the traveling press was told there would be a print reporter and a producer in the pool at the beginning of the meeting with Afghan President Hamid Karzai.

But then the McCain campaign changed their collective minds and said video and still cameras only. The networks said the equivalent of “no shirt, no shoes, no service.” They weren’t going to cover the event at all.

High noon

So a standoff ensued. It was like the Old West. Just like the scene from Tombstone when Doc Holliday meets Johnny Ringo.

In the end, the McCain campaign relented, asked the press to be their Huckleberry and allowed a CNN producer entry. The networks get their footage. The campaign gets photos and videos of Palin with a foreign dignitary.

On the surface this all seems like it could be avoided. Especially because the condensed press was in the room for a grand total of 29 seconds. Why all the drama? “It was just a miscommunication,” said one Palin staffer.

Since being selected to the McCain ticket, Palin has participated in just three interviews and has yet to hold a press conference. She is scheduled to speak with Katie Couric later this week.

Beatles, U2, Pink Floyd

The fact is, Palin is the equivalent of a Pink Floyd show (minus the chemicals). They sell out every time, and so does Palin. She brings in tremendous crowds where she goes - reportedly drawing 60,000 people in Florida over the weekend.

John McCain’s chief honcho in New York, Representative Peter King, compared her to some of the immortals of rock ‘n roll.

“She’s become like the Beatles or U2,” King said. “She’s got a certain celebrity status now – people want to see her; they want to hear her.”

Attica! Attica!

The press feels the same way. They don’t have idolization thing going but they want access. And it showed this afternoon around the series of tubes.

Andrew Sullivan is creative in his criticism calling the McCain campaign’s handling of Palin “sexist” citing a different set of rules are applied for media access to Palin and “devising less onerous debate rules for a female candidate.” His advice to the beleagured press pool? Revolt!

“Fight back, you hacks! Demand access,” Sullivan writes. “Demand accountability! It’s our duty. If we cannot ask questions of a total newbie six weeks before an election in which she could become president of the country, then the First Amendment is pointless.”

Scott Conroy over at CBS grouses that this is not the first example of poor communication skills on behalf of the McCain campaign.

In Orlando on Sunday, Palin had another off-the-record stop at an ice cream shop, but the pool producer who was assigned to be in Palin’s motorcade was not notified when the candidate departed to get ice cream, and so there was no editorial presence at the event.

ABC’s Kate Snow reports frustration:

Palin has not held a news conference since being selected as McCain’s running-mate, nor taken questions from her traveling press corps, frustrating journalists assigned to cover Palin for the election.

Kenneth Vogel at Politico says things are getting testy:

Sarah Palin’s relationship with her traveling press corps went from barely existing to downright chilly Tuesday, when the two sides briefly engaged in a standoff over journalists’ access to Palin’s photo ops on the sidelines of the United Nations meetings here.

Mark Silva over at The Swamp says the campaign is trying to avoid a repeat of an incident last week.

The McCain/Palin campaign’s effort to stifle editorial coverage of the candidate’s meetings with world leaders comes a week after CBS News asked Palin an impromptu question about the AIG bailout, while Palin made an off-the-record stop at a Cleveland diner.

“After the Cleveland event, a Palin staffer told CBS News that questions “weren’t allowed.”

Ouch.

jag

[lazur]

Hey lazur, You still with us? You want to answer this one or just ignore it like always?

Why should I answer it, though? It doesn't matter what I say, there's nothing that will convince her critics on this board any differently, so I'd prefer to wait and see and let her prove it herself if she can.

In my mind, she's someone who took on Alasaka's comfortable political elite and succeeded. She's got a history of kicking *ss and taking names. The question is, what can she do in a debate with Biden? Given her history and track record, I think the verdict's still out, but I certainly do not see it as 'Biden's going to stomp all over her' the way this crowd does. I think that so far in this election, if there's one thing people should learn, it's that things can turn on the drop of a dime.

[jaguarr]

Why should I answer it, though? It doesn't matter what I say, there's nothing that will convince her opponents on this board any differently, so I'd prefer to wait and see and let her prove it herself if she can.

In my mind, she's someone who took on Alasaka's comfortable political elite and succeeded. She's got a history of kicking *ss and taking names. The question is, what can she do in a debate with Biden? Given her history and track record, I think the verdicts still out. I don't see it as 'Biden's going to stomp all over her' the way this crowd does. I think that so far in this election, if there's one thing people should learn, it's that things can turn on the drop of a dime.

You posted that she's proven that she knows her stuff when she needs to. People here haven't seen that, so they're asking where you have seen her do so. That's all. :huh:

jag

[sinewave]

Why should I answer it, though? It doesn't matter what I say, there's nothing that will convince her critics on this board any differently, so I'd prefer to wait and see and let her prove it herself if she can.

In my mind, she's someone who took on Alasaka's comfortable political elite and succeeded. She's got a history of kicking *ss and taking names. The question is, what can she do in a debate with Biden? Given her history and track record, I think the verdict's still out, but I certainly do not see it as 'Biden's going to stomp all over her' the way this crowd does. I think that so far in this election, if there's one thing people should learn, it's that things can turn on the drop of a dime.

if she can kick ass and take names then why is the mccain campaign coddling her by keeping her away from the press? if she can't handle them, how can she handle the pressures of the vp or presidency?

[lazur]

You posted that she's proven that she knows her stuff when she needs to. People here haven't seen that, so they're asking where you have seen her do so. That's all. :huh:

jag

No, people here choose not to see it and to base all of their impressions of her on the last month and/or any 'dirt' they can highlight even if it's completely baseless ... versus looking at the fact that she served in three different political offices, starting with the city council, to the mayor and then to the governor. She essentially stomped the crap out of the incumbent governor and won in a landslide. She also beat the living daylights out of the guy during debates, even though he himself had spent more than 20 years in the senate. She did in less than a year what every previous governor before her couldn't get done in 10 (the pipeline).

She accomplished a lot for a 44 year old human being, forget that she's a woman. But you all have and will continue to dismiss her accomplishments as meaningless, so what's the point? She could be Jesus in human form, cure every disease on Earth and bring about world peace, and those on the far left will continue to levy ridiculous claims against her and her family. She's a human being like the rest of us, and to be completely blunt, much more successful than any of us on this board, even BEFORE being chosen by McCain...

[lazur]

if she can kick ass and take names then why is the mccain campaign coddling her by keeping her away from the press? if she can't handle them, how can she handle the pressures of the vp or presidency?

I could be wrong (and I mentioned this before), but I suspect they want her to go into the debates being underestimated. We'll see.

[sinewave]

I could be wrong (and I mentioned this before), but I suspect they want her to go into the debates being underestimated. We'll see.

indeed we will.

[jaguarr]

No, people here choose not to see it and to base all of their impressions of her based on the last month, versus looking at the fact that she served in three different political offices, starting with the city council, to the mayor and then to the governor. She essentially stomped the crap out of the incumbent governor and won in a landslide. She also beat the living daylights out of the guy during debates, even though he himself had spent more than 20 years in the senate. She did in less than a year what every previous governor before her couldn't get done in 10 (the pipeline).

She accomplished a lot for a 44 year old human being, forget that she's a woman. But you all will dispute that, obviously, so what's the point? She could be Jesus in human form, cure every disease on Earth and bring about world peace, and those on the far left will continue to levy ridiculous claims against her and her family. She's a human being like the rest of us, and to be completely blunt, much more successful than any of us on this board, even BEFORE being chosen by McCain...

She has given B.S. answers to all the questions she has been asked in her TWO...yes...TWO interviews she has granted to the press. She hasn't said anything that indicates she has the knowledge, judgment or expertise that should come with the position at the NATIONAL level that she seeks. :huh:

jag

[jaguarr]

I could be wrong (and I mentioned this before), but I suspect they want her to go into the debates being underestimated. We'll see.

She's an unknown with a ****storm of controversy swirling around her. If that really is the McCain Campaign's strategy with her, rather than doing whatever they can to build the public's confidence in her, then they are doomed. Even if she does well in the debates and puts Biden on his ass (highly unlikely), they will have lost what...5-6 weeks that they could have let her be talking to the press and building the confidence with the public that is so crucial in these elections. I think it's pretty obvious she's a gaffe machine and they don't want her near the press for that reason, plus they are obviously cramming as much McCain policy down her throat as possible and teaching her to regurgitate it on command so that she'll have something to say at all during the debates.

jag

[Mikelus]

Lazur is just partisan and will justify anything. At least some conservatives are more objective and are getting tired of all this nonsense of McCain's lying game. Some are even not going to vote or will do it for a third alternative, which is respectable.

[gap5ewl]

Is Sarah Palin Having an Affair??! (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=312159)

Now that's some good, christian family values.

[The Battousai]

I'll bet lazur hasn't read Anne Kilkenny's letter - or any others from Alaskan citizens, either :o

[danoyse]

Let's stop making random assumptions about other posters, please.

[The Battousai]

Was I the "last straw" or something? :huh:

[danoyse]

Was I the "last straw" or something? :huh:

None of it is acceptable. If you want to respond to something another poster said because you disagree, quote the post and explain why you disagree. No calling out other posters for the sake of starting an argument.

That goes for everyone. Thank you.

[Superman4ever]

At least Bush was there 45% of the time. Sheeeeesh!

Palin's attendance record as governor: 15%

Playing hooky pays off for Palin

Despite all of the discussion of Sarah Palin’s performance as governor of Alaska, there has been little analysis of the simplest measure of performance: attendance. As Woody Allen said many years ago, “80 percent of success is just showing up.”

The Washington Post recently reported that, in her first 19 months as governor, Palin billed the state of Alaska per diem charges for 312 days she spent at her home in Wasilla. Palin’s staff has explained that it was appropriate to bill the state for expenses related to Palin staying in her own house because her “official duty station” was at the state capital of Juneau, where the governor’s official office and mansion are located. But that argument raises a different question: How much time did that leave for her to spend at her “official duty station”?

Nineteen months totals 578 days, but after subtracting weekends and holidays, it is only about 397 workdays. Assuming Palin did not routinely bill the state for staying in her own home on weekends and holidays, she would have spent no more than 85 workdays in the state capital over the course of her 19 months in office, even if she traveled nowhere else in Alaska or outside of the state. That compares with 168 days that the Alaska Legislature was in session during the same period.

One of the state’s leading papers, the Juneau Empire, described her attendance like this:

“Palin has spent little time in Juneau, rarely coming to the state capital except when the Legislature was in session, and sometimes not even then. During a recent special session called by Palin herself, she faced criticism from several legislators for not showing up personally to push for her agenda. Someone at the Capitol even printed up buttons asking, ‘Where’s Sarah?’”

Why does the governor of Alaska need to be in the state capital? There are two big reasons — and probably many smaller ones. The first big reason is that she appoints most of the people who manage the 15 departments of Alaska’s state government, containing more than 100 divisions and employing more than 50,000 people. Nearly all the department heads and division directors are headquartered in Juneau. E-mails and telephone calls alone are not effective for the governor to get advice, give directions and follow up to ensure that appropriate policy is being implemented. It is obvious that the ability to fully monitor the performance of the bureaucracies any governor has chosen to lead is greatly restricted if the governor does not spend significant time on the ground where the operations of government are housed.

But also of great importance is the governor’s ability to work with the legislature to update state policies and offer new programs for improving governance. Any effective governor must work on an ongoing basis with not only the leadership of both houses in the state legislature to build consensus and draft the governor’s proposals into language that both houses can accept, but also committee chairmen and recalcitrant members whose votes are needed to support key portions of the governor agenda.

It appears that in the upside-down situation that has occurred in Juneau over the past year and a half, almost all of the members of the Alaska Legislature were in the state capital far more often than the governor.

One member told the Juneau Empire, “At a time when [Palin’s] leadership was truly needed, we didn’t know where she was.”

One has to wonder whether the chef at the governor’s mansion that Palin takes credit for firing may not have simply left the job out of sheer boredom.

When I was first out of college, I worked for a period as a bill drafter for the Missouri Legislature. At that time, it was the practice for the governor to apportion thousands of state patronage jobs to members of the Legislature to pass on to their political supporters. Although some of these jobs paid little more than minimum wage, they were very much in demand because they were so-called no-show jobs: You could collect your paycheck without regularly reporting for work. Some individuals were able to obtain two or three such jobs and still work outside of state government as a real estate broker, bank employee or in some other private sector job.

Hopefully, Missouri’s and all state governments have fully abandoned such corrupt and wasteful practices. But every governor faces an ongoing challenge to ensure that each employee provides a full day of work for a full day of pay. That challenge is certainly greater if the governor is found infrequently at the “official duty station.” It is still greater if state employees realize the governor is being rewarded with state revenue for staying at home.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13736.html

[Marx]

RREPUBLICAN LAWMAKER SAYS PALIN INQUIRY SHOULD GO ON
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/23/palin.investigation/index.html

[DorkyFresh]

looks like the media is really striking back now...

sSNkloIFTQ0

[Lightning Strykez!]

^ Yeah, definitely knew that was coming.

They are getting exasperated with her now. And who can blame them? She's totally acting like a phantom and we're just over a month away from the election--and we still know very litte about her. It's freaking absurd!

[StrainedEyes]

I wonder if the McCain camp will come back at being called sexist, by calling people sexist.

[Matt]

RREPUBLICAN LAWMAKER SAYS PALIN INQUIRY SHOULD GO ON
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/23/palin.investigation/index.html

It absolutely should go on. If Palin broke the law, she needs to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of it. However, it is also important that politics not get in the way of the investigation. I would really like to see it put off until after the election because of this.

[Matt]

looks like the media is really striking back now...

sSNkloIFTQ0

Just out of curiousity, is Campbell Brown an anchor or a commentator? It is my understanding, that she is becoming a commentator after the election, but right now, she is an anchor of a NEWS program (not a commentary program). She should keep her opinions to herself and simply report the news. If she can not do that, she ought to be moved to her commentary program and CNN should find a real news anchor. It seems like the lines between news anchor and commentator is becoming more and more blurred and I don't like it.

Aside from that, it is ridiculous to call the McCain camp sexist for this. They aren't protecting Palin because she is a woman. They are protecting her because she is inexperienced and really doesn't know what she's talking about. They'd be doing the same if it were a man who didn't know what he is talking about. They screwed the pooch and now they are doing damage control.

[ShadowBoxing]

I :heart: Campbell Brown.

[Matt]

She'd be just fine if she were a commentator. As it is, she is a newsdesk anchor. She needs to act like one.

[jaguarr]

It absolutely should go on. If Palin broke the law, she needs to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of it. However, it is also important that politics not get in the way of the investigation. I would really like to see it put off until after the election because of this.

A clear resolution to this, guilty or innocent, needs to be arrived at and soon. Before the election, preferably. If she's guilty, she does not deserve a chance to be in the position of VP. If she's innocent, then there shouldn't be a problem. It is a bipartisan committee comprised primarily of Republicans leading that investigation, so I don't see this as a matter of politics. And if she's elected to the office of the VP and the investigation goes on, it will be even more political than ever for the people who don't want her in that position. It needs to be settled now.

Just out of curiousity, is Campbell Brown an anchor or a commentator? It is my understanding, that she is becoming a commentator after the election, but right now, she is an anchor of a NEWS program (not a commentary program). She should keep her opinions to herself and simply report the news. If she can not do that, she ought to be moved to her commentary program and CNN should find a real news anchor. It seems like the lines between news anchor and commentator is becoming more and more blurred and I don't like it.

I agree with this to a certain extent. Campbell does a very good job of sticking to the anchor position so this was a bit out of character for her, all in all. I guess she really has had enough of it, as she said.


Aside from that, it is ridiculous to call the McCain camp sexist for this. They aren't protecting Palin because she is a woman. They are protecting her because she is inexperienced and really doesn't know what she's talking about. They'd be doing the same if it were a man who didn't know what he is talking about. They screwed the pooch and now they are doing damage control.

A lot of women feel the McCain Campaign is being sexist in how they handle Palin, though, Matt. They feel like they are shielding her and not letting her be who she is; the perception is that the Men's Club is just as misogynistic as ever and want to protect their delicate little flower from the big, bad media. You and I know the reality is more likely that they've realized she's a walking gaffe machine who's own thoughts and words would kill their campaign so she must be carefully controlled and rehearsed. I don't think McCain's the biggest believer in women's equality by a long shot, though, and that has to play some sort of role in all of this. They bought a lame horse and they know it, I agree. But sequestering her away like they have only gives the impression that they won't let her talk because she's a woman (after all, she proclaimed herself of the same cloth that Hillary was cut from and painted herself as a strong, smart, independent woman and Pittacudda with lipstick and all of a sudden she practically vanished from the national stage). Brown's comments are very resonant of many women in this country (including my own wife).

jag

[RAMORE]

I agree I want the investigation done ASAP so people can decide clearly.

I agree with Matt they are protecting her supposed inexperience and trying not to let the best thing they got going for them get tarnished.

[Matt]

A clear resolution to this, guilty or innocent, needs to be arrived at and soon. Before the election, preferably. If she's guilty, she does not deserve a chance to be in the position of VP. If she's innocent, then there shouldn't be a problem. It is a bipartisan committee comprised primarily of Republicans leading that investigation, so I don't see this as a matter of politics. And if she's elected to the office of the VP and the investigation goes on, it will be even more political than ever for the people who don't want her in that position. It needs to be settled now.

But politics are making this dirtier than it ought to be and I have doubts as to whether or not any bi-partisan committee can keep their heads clear of the election to be fair. At least after the election, the need to protect or destroy her will be lessened a bit (or if she's vice-president, I suppose you're right, it could just be worse. What a cluster ****).


I agree with this to a certain extent. Campbell does a very good job of sticking to the anchor position so this was a bit out of character for her, all in all. I guess she really has had enough of it, as she said.

I dunno, I've seen her go off on a few rants as anchor. She is getting her own show in November, replacing the election center. I think she is just getting into pundit mode a bit too soon.


A lot of women feel the McCain Campaign is being sexist in how they handle Palin, though, Matt. They feel like they are shielding her and not letting her be who she is; the perception is that the Men's Club is just as misogynistic as ever and want to protect their delicate little flower from the big, bad media. You and I know the reality is more likely that they've realized she's a walking gaffe machine who's own thoughts and words would kill their campaign so she must be carefully controlled and rehearsed. I don't think McCain's the biggest believer in women's equality by a long shot, though, and that has to play some sort of role in all of this. They bought a lame horse and they know it, I agree. But sequestering her away like they have only gives the impression that they won't let her talk because she's a woman (after all, she proclaimed herself of the same cloth that Hillary was cut from and painted herself as a strong, smart, independent woman and Pittacudda with lipstick and all of a sudden she practically vanished from the national stage). Brown's comments are very resonant of many women in this country (including my own wife).

jag

But if it were a man, would anyone care? She didn't vanish from the national stage because she is a woman. If it were a man making as big of an ass of himself, the campaign would pull him as well. Its not because she's a woman. It is because she is stupid.

[RAMORE]

This past Sunday in the Villages Florida I attended a rally with over 30,000 other people in support of Palin. She was wonderful! Her speech was not exactly the same like yall said it would be and she didn't mention the bridge to nowhere. People (a ton of really old geriatric people) braved the heat to wait for hours to get to see her. It was refreshing and energizing I just wish it would have been inside somewhere:D

[Mr Sparkle]

I :heart: Campbell Brown.

she will be mine.....oh yes....she will be mine

[Mr Sparkle]

Just out of curiousity, is Campbell Brown an anchor or a commentator? It is my understanding, that she is becoming a commentator after the election, but right now, she is an anchor of a NEWS program (not a commentary program). She should keep her opinions to herself and simply report the news. If she can not do that, she ought to be moved to her commentary program and CNN should find a real news anchor. It seems like the lines between news anchor and commentator is becoming more and more blurred and I don't like it.

Aside from that, it is ridiculous to call the McCain camp sexist for this. They aren't protecting Palin because she is a woman. They are protecting her because she is inexperienced and really doesn't know what she's talking about. They'd be doing the same if it were a man who didn't know what he is talking about. They screwed the pooch and now they are doing damage control.


are missing her point on purpose?

[ShadowBoxing]

:up:*super-opinionated-political-chicks* :up:

[Prison Mike]

looks like the media is really striking back now...

sSNkloIFTQ0

I love her.

[Raiden]

If McCain has his way, he'd put her in a closet for the next two months, and only bring her out after the election.

[Marx]

looks like the media is really striking back now...

sSNkloIFTQ0

Go Campbell! :applaud

[Marx]

If McCain has his way, he'd put her in a closet for the next two months, and only bring her out after the election.

And that's any different from how things actually are now because...? :huh:






(Take Palin out of the box, push her up on stage, pull her off the stage, put her back in the box, repeat.)

[Raiden]

And that's any different from how things actually are now because...? :huh:






(Take Palin out of the box, push her up on stage, pull her off the stage, put her back in the box, repeat.)

You have a point. :o

[RAMORE]

I bet more people watch the VP debates than president.

[kane9321]

I :heart: Campbell Brown.

I saw her first:woot:

[jaguarr]

But politics are making this dirtier than it ought to be and I have doubts as to whether or not any bi-partisan committee can keep their heads clear of the election to be fair. At least after the election, the need to protect or destroy her will be lessened a bit (or if she's vice-president, I suppose you're right, it could just be worse. What a cluster ****).

Exactamundo, Potsy. If she makes it into the VP chair and gets found guilty, how bad is that going to be? Or what if she makes it into the VP chair won't it make the investigation even MORE political?


I dunno, I've seen her go off on a few rants as anchor. She is getting her own show in November, replacing the election center. I think she is just getting into pundit mode a bit too soon.

Maybe so. But I've even seen anchors like Gibson and Williams even offer an opinion now and again. None of them are infallible.


But if it were a man, would anyone care?

If Palin were a man, would she even be in the position she is in as VP running mate to McCain? Many would argue that she wouldn't.


She didn't vanish from the national stage because she is a woman. If it were a man making as big of an ass of himself, the campaign would pull him as well. Its not because she's a woman. It is because she is stupid.

Yeah, but a lot of people see that as the GOP keeping her off the national stage because she isn't just stupid, but a stupid WOMAN (and thereby indicting the GOP of misogyny with their own damn candidate in the process). Perception is 9/10's of things as we've often talked about in this forum, after all.

jag

[Superman4ever]

Has this been posted?

sSNkloIFTQ0

I want! :cmad:

[The Senator]

It absolutely should go on. If Palin broke the law, she needs to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of it. However, it is also important that politics not get in the way of the investigation. I would really like to see it put off until after the election because of this.

On the other hand, the investigation has been ongoing for some time now, and it appears as if politics is not a motive in the state's decision to investigate her (when you consider that those who have decided to investigate her are majority Republican, I do not see how there is a partisan agenda against her). The investigation should not be postponed simply because she is running for Vice President, otherwise that says that our legal system caters to politicians versus the constructs of the law.

[The Senator]

If Palin were a man, would she even be in the position she is in as VP running mate to McCain? Many would argue that she wouldn't.

Excellent point. If McCain wanted to rattle the establishment with his VP pick, he could have selected at least two one-term governors who would either secure a state for him, or bring an inspiring narrative to the campaign. Charlie Christ would solidify Florida. Bobby Jindal has that great narrative. Yet, McCain chose Palin... at the same time the media was publicly questioning whether Clinton supporters would turn to Obama or flock to McCain... the coincidences speak volumes here.

[Marx]

LAURA BUSH SAYS PALIN LACKS FOREIGN POLICY EXPERIENCE
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/24/laura-bush-says-palin-lacks-foreign-policy-experience/

[ShadowBoxing]

For those drooling over Campbell Brown, a new thread just for you in the Celebrities forum.

[jaguarr]

LAURA BUSH SAYS PALIN LACKS FOREIGN POLICY EXPERIENCE
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/24/laura-bush-says-palin-lacks-foreign-policy-experience/

:lmao:

jag

[ShadowBoxing]

LAURA BUSH SAYS PALIN LACKS FOREIGN POLICY EXPERIENCE
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/24/laura-bush-says-palin-lacks-foreign-policy-experience/:applaud:pal::pal::pal::shock:lmao:

[Hobgoblin]

Can we say owned?:woot:

[sinewave]

But politics are making this dirtier than it ought to be and I have doubts as to whether or not any bi-partisan committee can keep their heads clear of the election to be fair. At least after the election, the need to protect or destroy her will be lessened a bit (or if she's vice-president, I suppose you're right, it could just be worse. What a cluster ****).

then blame the mccain campaign for not vetting her well enough. they knew there was an ongoing trial when they selected her. they should have expected this. unless it was all part of their plan to play the victim card when the media started scrutinizing the case, which would be extremely boneheaded, in my opinion. i wonder what the chances are that mccain drops her from the ticket and selects someone else if it seems like all the negativity surrounding her will tank the campaign?

[jaguarr]

then blame the mccain campaign for not vetting her well enough. they knew there was an ongoing trial when they selected her. they should have expected this. unless it was all part of their plan to play the victim card when the media started scrutinizing the case, which would be extremely boneheaded, in my opinion. i wonder what the chances are that mccain drops her from the ticket and selects someone else if it seems like all the negativity surrounding her will tank the campaign?

That would entail McCain having to admit that his judgment was wrong, thereby making voters think he's unable to make the right call when it counts and even then won't own the consequences fully and instead tries to change the game in the 4th quarter. I don't see that happening.

jag

[sinewave]

That would entail McCain having to admit that his judgment was wrong, thereby making voters think he's unable to make the right call when it counts and even then won't own the consequences fully and instead tries to change the game in the 4th quarter. I don't see that happening.

jag

you're right, but then he ends up looking just as stubborn as bush has been by refusing to acknowledge his mistakes and just plowing forward with bad ideas, logic be damned. it's a no-win situation for him.

[Matt]

then blame the mccain campaign for not vetting her well enough. they knew there was an ongoing trial when they selected her. they should have expected this. unless it was all part of their plan to play the victim card when the media started scrutinizing the case, which would be extremely boneheaded, in my opinion. i wonder what the chances are that mccain drops her from the ticket and selects someone else if it seems like all the negativity surrounding her will tank the campaign?

I definitely think she should've been vetted her better.

In retrospect, you know who would've made a brilliant choice for McCain? Elizabeth Dole. She is respected with a bi-partisan record. Is as clean as they come. Has both foreign policy experience (serves on the armed forces committee...specifically the emerging threats subcommittee) and has economic experience (serves on the banking, housing, and urban affairs committee, and the FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS subcommittee which would be huge right now).

The only draw backs are she is losing her bid for re-election by 5 points and she is as old as McCain. However, the losing wouldn't be so bad as she could drop out if she were running for Vice-President. The age might hurt her.

Still, just one of the many choices better than Palin.

[sinewave]

I definitely think she should've been vetted her better.

In retrospect, you know who would've made a brilliant choice for McCain? Elizabeth Dole. She is respected with a bi-partisan record. Is as clean as they come. Has both foreign policy experience (serves on the armed forces committee...specifically the emerging threats subcommittee) and has economic experience (serves on the banking, housing, and urban affairs committee, and the FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS subcommittee which would be huge right now).

The only draw backs are she is losing her bid for re-election by 5 points and she is as old as McCain. However, the losing wouldn't be so bad as she could drop out if she were running for Vice-President. The age might hurt her.

Still, just one of the many choices better than Palin.

very true.

[Comicfilmer]

I'm going to take this time to coin a phrase for Mrs. Palin. Ready?








..."Trophy Veep."

[sinewave]

I'm going to take this time to coin a phrase for Mrs. Palin. Ready?








..."Trophy Veep."

that about sums it up. :up:

[Lightning Strykez!]

I'm going to take this time to coin a phrase for Mrs. Palin. Ready?








..."Trophy Veep."

:eek:

What a sexist thing to say! *slaps yer wrists* :cmad:

Fool, don't you know she can see Russia from her house? How many people can lay claim to that?!! This woman is qualified and if you didn't know, you better ask somebody! :nono:

[Prison Mike]

The President of Pakistan called Palin "gorgeous". lol

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/24/pakistans-president-tells-palin-she-is-gorgeous/

[kainedamo]

The President of Pakistan called Palin "gorgeous". lol

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/24/pakistans-president-tells-palin-she-is-gorgeous/

Is McCain going to do an ad about the Prez of Pakistan, with a sarcastic voice going "he simply dismisses her as 'gorgeous'".

[Prison Mike]

Is McCain going to do an ad about the Prez of Pakistan, with a sarcastic voice going "he simply dismisses her as 'gorgeous'".

I wouldn't put it past him. lol

[sinewave]

The President of Pakistan called Palin "gorgeous". lol

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/24/pakistans-president-tells-palin-she-is-gorgeous/

ewww. sounds like he doesn't see much substance there. what a sleazeball.

[Manic]

I've been lurking for a while now, but I enjoy popping into this thread every now and then. It gives me more laughs than any other part of the Politics forum.

[ShadowBoxing]

Is McCain going to do an ad about the Prez of Pakistan, with a sarcastic voice going "he simply dismisses her as 'gorgeous'".
She wants to 'negotiate' with him now.

[TheComicbookKid]

Doesn't John McCain trust Sarah Palin to run the campaign in his absence?:woot:

SHE HAS EXECUTIVE EXPERIENCE!!! Not like people were coming to the rallies to see McCain anyway.

[souvlaki]

Oh man... this is too good.


COURIC: I'm just going to ask you one more time, not to belabor the point. Specific examples in his 26 years of pushing for more regulation?

PALIN: I'll try to find you some and I'll bring them to you.

[souvlaki]

Oh yeah... link to the transcript:

http://home.comcast.net/~duncanblack/couricpalin.htm

[danoyse]

Katie actually asked her 3 times before she got to that. I wonder if they'll say Katie Couric was mean to her just like Charlie Gibson was? :whatever:

[souvlaki]

Katie actually asked her 3 times before she got to that. I wonder if they'll say Katie Couric was mean to her just like Charlie Gibson was? :whatever:

Katie Couric is just being sexist.

[ShadowBoxing]

Katie Couric is just being sexist.
Damn her:cmad:

[Matt]

I was going to make a snooty comment about Katie Couric being a softball journalist and how no one should get shown up by her, but then I recalled that she can throw punches when she needs to. Remember what she did to Bush The First?

[Excel]

It is safe to say we now know why they wont let Palin talk to anybody...their new problem is the only exposure she has makes her look like an idiot :lmao:

This is just so embarassing, has anything like this ever happened?

COURIC: But he's been in Congress for 26 years. He's been chairman of the powerful Commerce Committee. And he has almost always sided with less regulation, not more.

PALIN: He's also known as the maverick, though. Taking shots from his own party, and certainly taking shots from the other party. Trying to get people to understand what he's been talking about — the need to reform government.

COURIC: I'm just going to ask you one more time, not to belabor the point. Specific examples in his 26 years of pushing for more regulation?

PALIN: I'll try to find you some, and I'll bring them to you.


Vbg6hF0nShQ

Oh wait, the same thing happened to John McCain when he said hed get back to the reporter...well, atleast Palins good at taking notes, something shed have to given her enormous lack of knowledge on anything outside of hockey, huntin, fishin, abstinence, and beauty pagaents.

[souvlaki]

It is safe to say we now know why they wont let Palin talk to anybody...their new problem is the only exposure she has makes her look like an idiot :lmao:

This is just so embarassing, has anything like this ever happened?




Vbg6hF0nShQ

Oh wait, the same thing happened to John McCain when he said hed get back to the reporter...well, atleast Palins good at taking notes, something shed have to given her enormous lack of knowledge on anything outside of hockey, huntin, fishin, abstinence, and beauty pagaents.

Did the McCain campaign call up Tina Fey and ask her to step in for Palin for that interview? I mean, that interview can't be real... right? That almost looked like an SNL sketch. The end of that interview is just such an epic fail on Palin's part. Couric looked like she want to slap Palin pretty much throughout the whole interview.

[jaguarr]

Jesus Christ. She managed to confirm she knows nothing about anything, even with Couric interviewing her? Wow.

jag

[danoyse]

Jesus Christ. She managed to confirm she knows nothing about anything, even with Couric interviewing her? Wow.

jag

Well, she did say she'd be getting back to us on that. :whatever:

[BMM]

It scares me knowing that this woman could be our next Vice President, let alone President. She just seems so uninformed.

[danoyse]

And I love her comment that the American people are waiting just for John McCain's response to the bailout. Um, don't you think in an election year the better answer would be that people are waiting to hear from both candidates and for her promise that McCain's plan is the one they're going to like?

[ShadowBoxing]

And I love her comment that the American people are waiting just for John McCain's response to the bailout. Um, don't you think in an election year the better answer would be that people are waiting to hear from both candidates and for her promise that McCain's plan is the one they're going to like?
Actually dear, they're waiting to hear from THE PRESIDENT, not his wannabe sidekick.

[ShadowBoxing]

Vbg6hF0nShQ

Is that real:huh:? That's not real. That's like the outtakes. That was pathetic. Katie might as well have interviewed her in Chinese.

[Excel]

Sarah gives Hilldog a call...

K_UttWpiMDw

[The Senator]

Time out: I'm confused.

Does Katie Couric's "stumping" of Sarah Palin mean Couric is sexist?

Or is Katie Couric a part of the "elitist media"?

I can't seem to figure out how to categorize this situation. :csad:

[ShadowBoxing]

Time out: I'm confused.

Does Katie Couric's "stumping" of Sarah Palin mean Couric is sexist?

Or is Katie Couric a part of the "elitist media"?

I can't seem to figure out how to categorize this situation. :csad:
Are you John McCain now?

[sinewave]

It is safe to say we now know why they wont let Palin talk to anybody...their new problem is the only exposure she has makes her look like an idiot :lmao:

This is just so embarassing, has anything like this ever happened?




Vbg6hF0nShQ

Oh wait, the same thing happened to John McCain when he said hed get back to the reporter...well, atleast Palins good at taking notes, something shed have to given her enormous lack of knowledge on anything outside of hockey, huntin, fishin, abstinence, and beauty pagaents.

i love the extended pause and the repetition of her previous statement when couric tells her that rick davis still has a stake in his firm and asks her if that's a conflict of interest. she was completely dumbfounded. who are the people who still support this moron?

[The Senator]

Are you John McCain now?

Well, after working out this evening, I can't lift my arms above my shoulders... so I guess we're a lot alike these days. :csad:

[rdh007]

Time out: I'm confused.

Does Katie Couric's "stumping" of Sarah Palin mean Couric is sexist?

Or is Katie Couric a part of the "elitist media"?

I can't seem to figure out how to categorize this situation. :csad:

She's a liberal sexist. Remember when liberals were the ones guilty of pushing "PC" down everyone's throats? Turns out the Republicans are the ones that want to make sure everyone has happy feelings inside.

[ShadowBoxing]

Well, after working out this evening, I can't lift my arms above my shoulders... so I guess we're a lot alike these days. :csad:
"Time out: I'm confused" should be John McCain's new campaign slogan.

[Gilpesh]

Well, after working out this evening, I can't lift my arms above my shoulders... so I guess we're a lot alike these days. :csad:

[pulls a Jman and silently tip-toes out of thread]

[Marx]

Time out: I'm confused.

Does Katie Couric's "stumping" of Sarah Palin mean Couric is sexist?

Or is Katie Couric a part of the "elitist media"?

I can't seem to figure out how to categorize this situation. :csad:

Both! Katie Couric IS sexist AND a part of the 'elitist media'. Dont' you know that anyone who questions or criticizes Sarah Palin suffers the same fate! :cmad:

[Marx]

"Time out: I'm confused" should be John McCain's new campaign slogan.

:funny:

[Comicfilmer]

Sarah Palin is bankrupt in the brain. Seriously, that was almost painful to watch. What a clueless woman.

[gap5ewl]

It is safe to say we now know why they wont let Palin talk to anybody...their new problem is the only exposure she has makes her look like an idiot :lmao:

This is just so embarassing, has anything like this ever happened?




Vbg6hF0nShQ

.

:dry:

[Marx]

Sarah Palin is bankrupt in the brain. Seriously, that was almost painful to watch. What a clueless woman.

You really should copyright that phrase. I could see that on shirts, signs, and bumper stickers. You could make a lot of money... :cwink:

[Lightning Strykez!]

I am absolutely dumbfounded by those clips. Utterly...shocked. They cannot be for real with this woman being the next VP.

I bet Olympia Snow is somewhere laughing her ass off at this ****.

[The Chairman]

"I'll try to find you some and bring 'em to ya."

And with that closing line, Sarah Palin managed to deafen America by provoking the biggest mass face palm in history.

[Manic]

I was feeling a type of cathartic embarrassment for Palin during that interview, it was so sad. Then the end came, when Katie had to repeat her question while holding back the urge to choke a b****, and Palin's "I'll bring them to you" response, and I nearly died laughing.

[Lightning Strykez!]

Manic: It does my heart good to see you here man. I'm just sayin'...

Now back to the discussion! :up:

[Arc-Light]

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd45/INBuckeye/chris-crocker-criesarah.jpg

[Lightning Strykez!]

"I'll try to find you some and bring 'em to ya."

And with that closing line, Sarah Palin managed to deafen America by provoking the biggest mass face palm in history.

As well as the biggest "WTF!??!" facial expression too.

She is the Denise Richards of politics, I tell ya. Glasses don't make you intelligent honey bunch!

[Marx]

As well as the biggest "WTF!??!" facial expression too.

She is the Denise Richards of politics, I tell ya. Glasses don't make you intelligent honey bunch!

:funny:

[Lightning Strykez!]

:funny:

:D:up:

I was gonna call her "sweetie" but that's SEZIXTS!

[danoyse]

Jon Stewart just ripped her UN meetings to shreds. He showed the clip of her just saying "It was great!" to the reporters as she went to the car, and he said he didn't know if she was talking about her meetings at the UN, of if she had just seen Tropic Thunder.

Then Samantha Bee reported from the UN, and since she didn't have clips of the actual meetings, she filled them with the "Shall We Dance?" scene from The King and I, the scene of Princess Leia in her slave girl outfit in Return of the Jedi, the interrogation scene from Basic Instinct, and at the end of the day, a clip of Gertie saying goodbye to ET.

:lmao:

[Lightning Strykez!]

Jon Stewart just ripped her UN meetings to shreds. He showed the clip of her just saying "It was great!" to the reporters as she went to the car, and he said he didn't know if she was talking about her meetings at the UN, of if she had just seen Tropic Thunder.

Then Samantha Bee reported from the UN, and since she didn't have clips of the actual meetings, she filled them with the "Shall We Dance?" scene from The King and I, the scene of Princess Leia in her slave girl outfit in Return of the Jedi, the interrogation scene from Basic Instinct, and at the end of the day, a clip of Gertie saying goodbye to ET.

:lmao:

Wow really? I'm ROFLMAO just reading your description.

*goes to youtube*

[Gilpesh]

Wow really? I'm ROFLMAO just reading your description.

*goes to youtube*

*waits for the 1 am replay instead* :o

[Marx]

*waits for the 1 am replay instead* :o

I'm with Gilpesh...I'll catch the repeat at 1. :yay:

[Lightning Strykez!]

Well fine.

But you two knuckleheads better put it on Youtube afterwards, dammit! :cmad:

[Gilpesh]

LS, come on... you know those kooky college students with tivo. Probably going to be up by the end of the Colbert Report. :oldrazz:

[danoyse]

I'm with Gilpesh...I'll catch the repeat at 1. :yay:

Stick around for Colbert at 1:30, he was hysterical tonight. :up:

[Marx]

Stick around for Colbert at 1:30, he was hysterical tonight. :up:

I love Stewart and Colbert! :yay:

[Manic]

I'm living on the West Coast with a satellite tuned in to the East Coast. I'll be catching the 1am replay at the exact same moment, but it'll be at 10pm in my time zone.

[Gilpesh]

Manic.... I invoke the Professor and his famous words for you lucky west coasters, "Tell them I hate them!"

[danoyse]

I'm on the liberal elite east coast, so I've seen them both already. :up:

In fact, the company I had a meeting with this morning is currently staying in the same hotel as Sarah Palin. Oh, lucky them.

[The Senator]

Does Sarah Palin have a preacher problem of her own?


On September 20 and 21, I attended services at the church Sarah Palin belonged to since she was an adolescent, the Wasilla Assembly of God. Though Palin officially left the church in 2002, she is listed on its website as “a friend,” and spoke there as recently as June 8 of this year.

I went specifically to see a pastor visiting from Kiambu, Kenya named Thomas Muthee. Muthee gained fame within Pentecostal circles by claiming that he defeated a local witch, Mama Jane, in a great spiritual battle, thus liberating his town from sin and opening its people to the spirit of Jesus.

Muthee’s mounting stardom took him to Wasilla Assembly of God in May, 2005, where he prayed over Palin and called upon Jesus to propel her into the governor’s mansion — and beyond. Muthee also implored Jesus to protect Palin from “the spirit of witchcraft.” The video archive of that startling sermon was scrubbed from Wasilla Assembly of God’s website, but now it has reappeared.

The Youtube version is below (Palin appears after about 7:30):

MAWM7E_WMfo

[bunk]

Palin's interviews are getting more and more uncomfortable to watch. It's like watching the bad auditions of American Idol.

[Knives]

Does Sarah Palin have a preacher problem of her own?



MAWM7E_WMfo

Yeah this guy makes Wright look like the pope. Claims he was fighting a WITCH over in Kenya. Blamed her for car accidents and everything else. Ran the woman out of the town eventually. He's a nut case. Imagine the pile of **** that would be pouring on Obama if Wright claimed to be fighting witches in Kenya. Good ol' liberal media! Lets see if they pick up on this.

[Hobgoblin]

I like the part where Couric says that McCain has usually voted for less regulation and all Palin says is he's also a maverick.

Couric strategy: State a fact.
Palin counter-strategy: Repeat a slogan.

[ShadowBoxing]

I like the part where Couric says that McCain has usually voted for less regulation and all Palin says is he's also a maverick. Oh that cooky John McCain, you'll never know what he'll do next.
He might suspend his campaign, and not show up at a crucial debate thereby pissing off the Southern states.

[hitmanyr2k]

COURIC: But he's been in Congress for 26 years. He's been chairman of the powerful Commerce Committee. And he has almost always sided with less regulation, not more.

PALIN: He's also known as the maverick, though. Taking shots from his own party, and certainly taking shots from the other party. Trying to get people to understand what he's been talking about — the need to reform government.

COURIC: I'm just going to ask you one more time, not to belabor the point. Specific examples in his 26 years of pushing for more regulation?

PALIN: I'll try to find you some, and I'll bring them to you.

http://hitmanyr2k.com/YoureOneDumbMF.jpg

[Hobgoblin]

Does Sarah Palin have a preacher problem of her own?



MAWM7E_WMfo

So basically her pastor was hoping for an American theocracy. Cute. :dry:

He might suspend his campaign, and not show up at a crucial debate thereby pissing off the Southern states.
He cant spare an hour or so to debate and explain his position on the issues? That makes him look good.

[jaguarr]

Jesus Christ. Katie Couric devoured Palin whole in that interview. She didn't let Palin slide on a single question. And it was painful to watch the Pittacudah flail around, unable to give any sensical answer at all. And why do I get the feeling that when Sarah Palin uses the phrase "track record" she's talking about her son's CD collection? :huh:

jag

[ShadowBoxing]

Jesus Christ. Katie Couric devoured Palin whole in that interview. She didn't let Palin slide on a single question. And it was painful to watch the Pittacudah flail around, unable to give any sensical answer at all. And why do I get the feeling that when Sarah Palin uses the phrase "track record" she's talking about her son's CD collection? :huh:

jag
All this in one day jag, one day.

[kane9321]

Couric is a sexist liberal:)

She ripped palin a new one. Palin's interviews are becoming really sad to watch, this woman is dumb as rocks

[Ultimate_Superman]

Poor lady Biden is going to eat her alive in a couple of weeks. :( Now I see why they keep her from the media. :(

[jaguarr]

Couric is a sexist liberal:)

She ripped palin a new one. Palin's interviews are becoming really sad to watch, this woman is dumb as rocks

I don't think she's dumb, she's just completely uninformed and inexperienced and is being asked questions on things she knows absolutely nothing about. She's not even a convincing bull**** artist. She's totally out of her element. I have a feeling McCain's ruined her political career by bringing her into the spotlight at this point in her career. She probably won't even get re-elected in Alaska because of all of this.

jag

[Marx]

PALIN SAYS 'ANOTHER GREAT DEPRESSION COULD HAPPEN' (while McCain believes that 'we shouldn't be scaring people')
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/25/palin-another-great-depression-could-happen/





Hmm...

[Mr Sparkle]

I'm sure Norman will be here soon enough to Slam McCain for what Palin said?

no?

ok.

[The Senator]

Why is Sarah Palin still campaigning/ interviewing in New York?

I thought the campaign was suspended? :huh:

[danoyse]

Why is Sarah Palin still campaigning/ interviewing in New York?

I thought the campaign was suspended? :huh:

I know! They put politics aside, didn't they? Apparently she was taking questions from the WTC site today.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/25/palin-takes-questions-from-press-corps-for-first-time/

They asked 5 questions. She answered 4. :whatever:

[Marx]

I know! They put politics aside, didn't they? Apparently she was taking questions from the WTC site today.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/25/palin-takes-questions-from-press-corps-for-first-time/

They asked 5 questions. She answered 4. :whatever:

I'd say that's an improvement then. :oldrazz:

[Gilpesh]

I know! They put politics aside, didn't they? Apparently she was taking questions from the WTC site today.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/25/palin-takes-questions-from-press-corps-for-first-time/

They asked 5 questions. She answered 4. :whatever:

Wow. Those answers were complete spin... none of which addressed the issue in the question.

"Do you think our presence in Iraq and afghan and our continued presence there is inflaming islamic extremists?"

"I think our presence in Iraq and Afghanistan will lead to further security of our nation..."

F**king hell. People want this person in charge of things? I know she's just the VP... but they want to give her even that level of power?

[Marx]

KATIE COURIC ON PALIN (the morning after her interview)
HdRYs5aWYBM

[jaguarr]

Why is Sarah Palin still campaigning/ interviewing in New York?

I thought the campaign was suspended? :huh:

McCain was "not campaigning" at Bill Clinton's big shindig this morning. :whatever:

jag

[Knives]

How Alaska's Proximity to Russia is Relevant
An excerpt from Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's interview with Katie Couric to be aired later tonight on the CBS Evening News:

COURIC: You've cited Alaska's proximity to Russia as part of your foreign policy experience. What did you mean by that?

PALIN: That Alaska has a very narrow maritime border between a foreign country, Russia, and on our other side, the land-- boundary that we have with-- Canada. It-- it's funny that a comment like that was-- kind of made to-- cari-- I don't know, you know? Reporters--

COURIC: Mock?

PALIN: Yeah, mocked, I guess that's the word, yeah.

COURIC: Explain to me why that enhances your foreign policy credentials.

PALIN: Well, it certainly does because our-- our next door neighbors are foreign countries. They're in the state that I am the executive of. And there in Russia--

COURIC: Have you ever been involved with any negotiations, for example, with the Russians?

PALIN: We have trade missions back and forth. We-- we do-- it's very important when you consider even national security issues with Russia as Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where-- where do they go? It's Alaska. It's just right over the border. It is-- from Alaska that we send those out to make sure that an eye is being kept on this very powerful nation, Russia, because they are right there. They are right next to-- to our state.

OH.MY.GOD.

I am actually DUMBER now having read that.

[Gilpesh]

OH.MY.GOD.

I am actually DUMBER now having read that.

I think the actors from Red Dawn are better suited to deal with Russia and foreign policy decisions than Palin.

[jaguarr]

She's still trying to find ways to justify being close to Russia as constituting foreign policy experience? Seriously? Jesus. I'd have more respect for her if she just said "Look. It's B.S. A talking point some faceless campaign advisor thought sounded good. The truth is it doesn't give me foreign policy credentials to be the governor of a state that's close to another country."

jag

[Marx]

OH.MY.GOD.

I am actually DUMBER now having read that.

:facepalm:

It never ends.

[Equinox]

OH.MY.GOD.

I am actually DUMBER now having read that.

I am confident that we can make a proper sequel to Dumb and Dumber (Jim Carrey's original) and rake in serious cash.. Just keep the actors starring as Sarah Palin and Sarah Palin again... :up:

[UA-Archangel]

I don't think she's dumb, she's just completely uninformed and inexperienced and is being asked questions on things she knows absolutely nothing about. She's not even a convincing bull**** artist. She's totally out of her element. I have a feeling McCain's ruined her political career by bringing her into the spotlight at this point in her career. She probably won't even get re-elected in Alaska because of all of this.

jag

Her career isn't ruined, far from it. If she doesn't become the VP, she might have to retrench abit, but it's not a disaster for her.

[The Senator]

Her career isn't ruined, far from it. If she doesn't become the VP, she might have to retrench abit, but it's not a disaster for her.

Yes, because Geraldine Ferraro went far after she lost the Vice Presidency in 1984, as several scandals/ gaffes on the campaign trail decimated her reputation.

[sinewave]

i got a kick out of this.




Planned Parenthood gains from Palin e-mail campaign

By Ed Sealover

Tuesday, September 23, 2008

Planned Parenthood is suddenly a lot richer because of Sarah Palin.

And the Republican vice presidential nominee will soon be receiving tens of thousands of thank-you notes.

A three-week-old Internet campaign is asking abortion-rights activists to send donations to Planned Parenthood in honor of the Alaska governor.

The origin of the campaign is unknown and Planned Parenthood officials insist it is not their doing.

Palin is a staunch abortion- rights opponent. The campaign is meant to translate anger at her position into money for an agency that provides sex education, women's health care and abortion services.

One e-mail making the rounds on the Internet says: "Instead of (actually, in addition to) all of us all sending more e-mails about how absolutely horrible she is, let's all make a donation to Planned Parenthood in Sarah Palin's name."

Katie Groke Ellis, field manager for the Planned Parenthood of the Rockies Action Fund, predicts that the five-state chapter of the group alone could draw $100,000 in donations.

"We are so excited to see that people are writing checks to us instead of just complaining about it," Ellis said Tuesday.

Palin is not only anti-abortion but opposes abortion even in the case of rape or incest, a point she hammered home in the 2006 Alaska governor's race by saying she would oppose her daughter getting an abortion if she were raped. She said this month that she wants to overturn the Roe v. Wade decision that legalized abortion, but will work with abortion-rights activists to find common ground on reducing the number of abortions.

Planned Parenthood sends a handwritten thank-you card to the donor. If a donation is made in someone's name, he or she gets one, too.

In this case, the Palin cards will go to Republican presidential nominee John McCain's national headquarters.

Jeff Sadosky, director of regional communications for the McCain campaign, said: "This crass political stunt is yet another reminder that the Barack Obama campaign and its surrogates has given up on the 'new politics of hope' that they were so proud of a few short months ago."

[Kurosawa]

I swear, she sounds just like a high school kid in civics class in that interview. A "C" student kid at that.

She's as vacant as Quayle, maybe even more so.

[UA-Archangel]

Yes, because Geraldine Ferraro went far after she lost the Vice Presidency in 1984, as several scandals/ gaffes on the campaign trail decimated her reputation.

Abraham Lincoln suffered many losses in his life before he became president, so it's never necessarily a lost cause.

Then again, she was a Democrat, while Lincoln was a Republican. :)

[The Senator]

Abraham Lincoln suffered many losses in his life before he became president, so it's never necessarily a lost cause.

Then again, she was a Democrat, while Lincoln was a Republican. :)

Yes, and we all know what happened to Lincoln :yay:

[UA-Archangel]

Yes, and we all know what happened to Lincoln :yay:

He went to heaven. :)

Republicans always go to heaven.:o

[The Senator]

He went to heaven. :)

Republicans always go to heaven.:o

Wait-- which heaven are we talking about? Miami in June, or federal prison? :huh:

[UA-Archangel]

Wait-- which heaven are we talking about? Miami in June, or federal prison? :huh:

I don't really know, I've never been there. :huh:

[jaguarr]

i got a kick out of this.

LMAO! That's actually a really brilliant thing. Planned Parenthood gets a bunch of much-needed donations, awareness gets raised and Palin not only gets votes against her but thank you notes for each and every donation "she" made to Planned Parenthood, giving her a lovely taste of something she hates over and over again.

jag

[sinewave]

LMAO! That's actually a really brilliant thing. Planned Parenthood gets a bunch of much-needed donations, awareness gets raised and Palin not only gets votes against her but thank you notes for each and every donation "she" made to Planned Parenthood, giving her a lovely taste of something she hates over and over again.

jag

yeah, i'd love to see her reaction when she receives all those thank you notes. :woot:

[souvlaki]

Jeff Sadosky, director of regional communications for the McCain campaign, said: "This crass political stunt is yet another reminder that the Barack Obama campaign and its surrogates has given up on the 'new politics of hope' that they were so proud of a few short months ago."

What?!? How does people donating money to Planned Parenthood have anything to do with Obama giving up on the "new politics of hope" message? That is the biggest leap in logic I have heard this whole campaign...

Wait... sadly now that I think about it, it really isn't. But seriously, that makes absolutely no sense. Is that just their stock response whenever they are asked a question now?

[sinewave]

What?!? How does people donating money to Planned Parenthood have anything to do with Obama giving up on the "new politics of hope" message? That is the biggest leap in logic I have heard this whole campaign...

Wait... sadly now that I think about it, it really isn't. But seriously, that makes absolutely no sense. Is that just their stock response whenever they are asked a question now?

considering it was a grass-roots effort and had absolutely nothing to do with obama's campaign, i'd say this guy is just feigning outrage in an effort divert attention from how embarrassing this probably is for mccain and palin.

[Prison Mike]

I'm not going to lie. I've been having sexual dreams of Palin lately. Although I disagree with her about every issue and I believe she is not qualified to be the next Vice President, she is quite a looker.

[Marx]

ALASKA LAWMAKERS BLAST PALIN PROBE 'STONEWALL'
http://cnnwire.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/25/alaska-lawmakers-blast-palin-probe-stonewall/

[jaguarr]

ALASKA LAWMAKERS BLAST PALIN PROBE 'STONEWALL'
http://cnnwire.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/25/alaska-lawmakers-blast-palin-probe-stonewall/

I get the sense that the political machine in Alaska is starting to get a little ticked off at Palin over this thing from both sides of the partisanship line. Makes me wonder if someone in that circle has evidence that could sink her on this and is contemplating going public with it and just tanking her altogether. They'd probably be a hero in Alaska for it and would instantly capture a very real shot at her Governorship in the next election.

jag

[Superman]

HA! I called it.

Palin is not only still using the "I can see Russia from my house" BS as her foreign policy experience but now she is also using Canada as well.:whatever:

nokTjEdaUGg

Yes people, THIS could be your next Vice-President.:shock :waa:

[danoyse]

She is just a joke. There are simply no other words.

[jaguarr]

HA! I called it.

Palin is not only still using the "I can see Russia from my house" BS as her foreign policy experience but now she is also using Canada as well.:whatever:

nokTjEdaUGg

Yes people, THIS could be your next Vice-President.:shock :waa:

I've been waiting for that and I am now completely amused that she's acting as if she finally just now realized that Canada is ALSO a foreign country so she could claim foreign policy experience by proximity to them also. :lmao:

jag

[Marx]

HA! I called it.

Palin is not only still using the "I can see Russia from my house" BS as her foreign policy experience but now she is also using Canada as well.:whatever:

nokTjEdaUGg

Yes people, THIS could be your next Vice-President.:shock :waa:

:facepalm:

You know...she is really starting to make George W. Bush look like the winner of a physics bowl.

[Gilpesh]

Sarah Palin is proving to be the Cousin Oliver of politics.

[sinewave]

HA! I called it.

Palin is not only still using the "I can see Russia from my house" BS as her foreign policy experience but now she is also using Canada as well.:whatever:

nokTjEdaUGg

Yes people, THIS could be your next Vice-President.:shock :waa:

there is a good reason why i've always despised "soccer/hockey-moms". listen to her speak. she's.... whatever. i'm done. if mccain and her end up winning, this country is beyond ****ed.

[Marx]

there is a good reason why i've always despised "soccer/hockey-moms". listen to her speak. she's.... whatever. i'm done. if mccain and her end up winning, this country is beyond ****ed.

Don't diss the soccer moms! They are nothing like hockey moms.

[sinewave]

Don't diss the soccer moms! They are nothing like hockey moms.

screw that noise. i've got a big problem with suburbanites in general. damn generic fools with their luxury suv's and kids named dylan and skylar.... grumble, grumble, grumble...

[danoyse]

I think you mean: "If the Congress and White House buildings are not bombed some time soon, with all current national politicians inside, this country is beyond ****ed." I'm just ad-libbing here, though.

OK, that's not really productive--let's keep away from comments about blowing up Washington, please.

[The Senator]

I think you mean: "If the Congress and White House buildings are not bombed some time soon, with all current national politicians inside, this country is beyond ****ed." I'm just ad-libbing here, though.

I would rather not be killed any time soon, thank you.

[The Senator]

That's unfortunate. I believe Hammurabi had a thing for meting out punishment to liars, and Hammurabi knows best.

Can someone make this poster go away, please?

[Gilpesh]

Can someone make this poster go away, please?

I'm taking bets on how fast he gets banned.

[The Senator]

Not everything works like the government, my good man. You can't make every skeleton disappear.

:huh:

[bunk]

"Good guys, and bad guys"

I'm starting to wonder if Palin has written any of my favorite cartoons I grew up with in the 80's

58d1HBGaegY

[danoyse]

I'm taking bets on how fast he gets banned.

And just like that, he's gone.

[Gilpesh]

And just like that, he's gone.

NO FAIR!

You know I had 20 posts.... cheater. :csad:

[danoyse]

NO FAIR!

You know I had 20 posts.... cheater. :csad:

Don't blame me, another mod beat me to it. :oldrazz:

[Gilpesh]

Don't blame me, another mod beat me to it. :oldrazz:

Doesn't surprise me. :hehe:

[LYE-OONS]

Don't blame me, another mod beat me to it. :oldrazz:

Aren't you the cutest little internet tough guy. Just makes me want to pinch your little cheeks. :oldrazz:

Anyways, you stiffs bore me. I'm off. Enjoy your political circle jerk, pubbies.

[The Senator]

Doesn't surprise me. :hehe:

Do you want to be her first?

[The Senator]

Aren't you the cutest little internet tough guy. Just makes me want to pinch your little cheeks. :oldrazz:

Anyways, you stiffs bore me. I'm off. Enjoy your political circle jerk, pubbies.

Whatever will we do without you? I am sad. :csad:

[Gilpesh]

Do you want to be her first?

Naw, just that the guy is an ass. My evidence:

Aren't you the cutest little internet tough guy. Just makes me want to pinch your little cheeks. :oldrazz:

Anyways, you stiffs bore me. I'm off. Enjoy your political circle jerk, pubbies.

[sinewave]

I think you mean: "If the Congress and White House buildings are not bombed some time soon, with all current national politicians inside, this country is beyond ****ed." I'm just ad-libbing here, though.

yeah, that's exactly what i meant. :whatever:

[sinewave]

Aren't you the cutest little internet tough guy. Just makes me want to pinch your little cheeks. :oldrazz:

Anyways, you stiffs bore me. I'm off. Enjoy your political circle jerk, pubbies.

what exactly is a "pubbie"?

[bunk]

Todd Palin has way too much free time on his hands.

[The Battousai]

Todd Palin has way too much free time on his hands.

:funny:

[Excel]

Todd Palin has way too much free time on his hands.

:hehe:

[Superman4ever]

Todd Palin has way too much free time on his hands.

:grin:

[ShadowBoxing]

I'd say it was McCain, but he doesn't know how to use the internet.

[danoyse]

LYE-OONS was a sexist. :cmad:

[ShadowBoxing]

LYE-OONS was a sexist. :cmad:
If he was really Sarah Palin, then you're the sexist:cmad:

[danoyse]

If he was really Sarah Palin, then you're the sexist:cmad:

If he was Sarah Palin and thought I was a guy, that would be hilarious.

[kane9321]

HA! I called it.

Palin is not only still using the "I can see Russia from my house" BS as her foreign policy experience but now she is also using Canada as well.:whatever:

nokTjEdaUGg

Yes people, THIS could be your next Vice-President.:shock :waa:

jesus christ...listen to her:wow:

[Hobgoblin]

"Its kinda funny how a statement like that got kinda...I dont know...you know..."

"Mocked?"


With articulation like that, how could she be mocked?

[hitmanyr2k]

Chris Rock is killing me on Larry King.

[gap5ewl]

Chris Rock is killing me on Larry King.

I saw some of that to. Some of the crew were laughing lol.

[Superman4ever]

"Good guys, and bad guys"

I'm starting to wonder if Palin has written any of my favorite cartoons I grew up with in the 80's

58d1HBGaegY

Well she learns from the best (of idiots that is), Bush. Evil-doers doing evil thing and such!

[Marx]

Well she learns from the best (of idiots that is), Bush. Evil-doers doing evil thing and such!

Let's not go that far Superman. Palin makes Bush look like a genius! :oldrazz:

She has obviously skipped the class on 'Evilism' and opted for the 'do it yourself' cliff note version.

[hitmanyr2k]

I think I'm done with Palin's interviews. Listening to her string together these long run-on sentences of talking points that go absolutely nowhere makes me cringe. I'm actually starting to pity her.

[Carcharodon]

Let's not go that far Superman. Palin makes Bush look like a genius! :oldrazz:I'm sorry, but I honestly believe that Bush is way smarter than Palin. I think Bush has been an absolutely awful president, and I think the man is an idiot; but Palin really is looking to take the cake.

[Shifty]

I'm sorry, but I honestly believe that Bush is way smarter than Palin. I think Bush has been an absolutely awful president, and I think the man is an idiot; but Palin really is looking to take the cake.

I like Maher's line of Palin makes Bush look like a professor.

Imagine once he retired he tried to teach.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

I think I'm done with Palin's interviews. Listening to her string together these long run-on sentences of talking points that go absolutely nowhere makes me cringe. I'm actually starting to pity her.

Not to mention the annoying tone of her voice. I thought the accents in Fargo were bad. :o