The Sarah Palin Thread (You can see Russia from this thread)

[Raiden]

I thought this was funny...

:lmao:

[Exploding Boy]

its cool, at least people got to see it now.

[Exploding Boy]

its cool, at least people got to see it now.

[Raiden]

Here are what some celebs think about Palin:

Bening was also asked about Thursday night’s impending debate between vice-presidential candidates Joseph Biden and Sarah Palin.

“I just want to be educated. I am a student of politics and these are our experts and we deserve to hear everything — especially from Governor Palin because we don’t know that much about her,” Bening said.

“I am feeling really good about this Sarah Palin,” Carrey said, “because I used to live in Canada and you could to see Alaska from there. So I know everything there is to know about her."

[LostSon88]

Which Nespapers do you read?
All of 'em!

9go38MgZ4w8

Silly goose.

If only Katie turned to the camera with a blank stare...that would've cemented this joke.

:grin:

[Cmill216]

I have to say: that Katie Couric interview was funnier than the entirety of Tropic Thunder.

If Sarah Palin was a Colbert-esque gag, she'd be amazing. But the fact that there's a legitimate chance she could be the leader of the free world.......*shudders*

[souvlaki]

Here are what some celebs think about Palin:

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

[souvlaki]

Wait... so when asked what previous VP most impressed her during the Couric interview, she named Ferraro (though she at least is smart enough to know she was only a candidate) and George H.W. Bush? I mean, really?

[Julio Alejandro]

its cool, at least people got to see it now.
I'll take your word for it and give you the credit.

[Raiden]

Here are what the late-night comedians said about Sarah Palin:

"Last night during an interview on CBS, Sarah Palin said, 'One of my best friends is a lesbian and I love her dearly,'" Conan O'Brien said. "After hearing this, Bill Clinton said, 'Prove it.'"

Jon Stewart of "The Daily Show" called the series of CBS interviews a "dramady."

"I love this show! It's like the first season of 'Lost' only it makes less sense," the Comedy Central host said.

Here's more political comedy from Wednesday's late-night television:


"It's been reported that John McCain is taking an herbal supplement to improve his memory. Apparently McCain is having trouble remembering why he picked Sarah Palin."
— O'Brien, "Late Night"

"Great day for Sarah Palin. She has been practicing for the big debate tomorrow night. Palin's staff has tried to find a stand-in to pretend to be Joe Biden. But so far all they've come up with is a tree stump. Which actually sounds about right."
— Craig Ferguson, "Late Late Show"

"This is for all the marbles, this debate tomorrow night. And Sarah Palin is nothing if not diligent. She's working hard on preparing for the debate with Joe Biden. Earlier today in Arizona, we just heard, she shot a donkey."
— Letterman, "Late Show"

"Now we all know Gov. Palin has a lot of foreign policy experience because from Alaska, she can see Russia. More to the point, Russia is on the other side of the international dateline from Alaska. It's tomorrow there. So when Palin looks at it, she's actually seeing the future."
— Stephen Colbert, "The Colbert Report"

"The vice presidential debate is tomorrow night. Joe Biden, already gearing up. I understand he went to the hair salon, told the guy to put a little more on top ... And Sarah Palin she's getting ready for tomorrow's debate, too. I understand she now knows all three branches of government."
— Jay Leno, "Tonight" show

"Teams of technicians have been working around the clock trying to figure out how to run an Internet cable directly into the back of (Palin's) skull."
— Jimmy Kimmel, "Jimmy Kimmel Live"

[Cmill216]

LOL @ Conan and Colbert. :funny:

[Marx]

Wait... so when asked what previous VP most impressed her during the Couric interview, she named Ferraro (though she at least is smart enough to know she was only a candidate) and George H.W. Bush? I mean, really?

To be fair, she said that her favorite VP candidate was Geraldine Ferraro. She said that her favorit VP was Bush Sr.

[The Senator]

The fact that Sarah Palin cannot name a Supreme Court case she disagreed with outside of Roe v. Wade makes me want to vomit.

Plessy v. Ferguson? Dred Scott v. Sanford?? They're only two of the most prominent Supreme Court cases to emerge in U.S. history.

Seriously... http://www.smilchat.net/smileys/sanglants/adultesuicide2.gif

[Raiden]

The fact that Sarah Palin cannot name a Supreme Court case she disagreed with outside of Roe v. Wade makes me want to vomit.

Plessy v. Ferguson? Dred Scott v. Sanford?? They're only two of the most prominent Supreme Court cases to emerge in U.S. history.

Seriously... http://www.smilchat.net/smileys/sanglants/adultesuicide2.gif

She should know Brown vs Board at the very least.

[The Senator]

She should know Brown vs Board at the very least.

I would hope she didn't disagree with it, though.

[Raiden]

I would hope she didn't disagree with it, though.

But she can't disagree with something she doesn't have any clue about, can she? :grin:

[BlackLantern]

She strikes me as the type of person who takes being made fun of a little too seriously....I bet she sat at home watching the Daily Show and muttering to herself "I'm gonna kill that ****ing Jew bastard"

[jaguarr]

She strikes me as the type of person who takes being made fun of a little too seriously....I bet she sat at home watching the Daily Show and muttering to herself "I'm gonna kill that ****ing Jew bastard"

She watches comedy shows with the sound off, so I don't think it's a problem. :grin:

jag

[Kurosawa]

She strikes me as the type of person who takes being made fun of a little too seriously....I bet she sat at home watching the Daily Show and muttering to herself "I'm gonna kill that ****ing Jew bastard"

You know it.

[Alex The Great]

Did this girl win a contest? :huh::o

[Gilpesh]

I am happy that MSNBC is going to show clips of Palin debating where she is actually a credible candidate to hopefully nudge that bar higher for her during the debate.

[sasquatchs]

Palin: Cheney's Worst Act was Duck Hunting Accident

In an interview aired Thursday, Sarah Palin claimed that Dick Cheney's worst act as vice president was his "duck hunting accident."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/02/palin-cheneys-worst-decis_n_131412.html:dry:

[StrainedEyes]

Haha On MSNBC, Howard Fineman just said that he talked to Couric, who said that Palin wanted to come back for a second day of interviewing, because she thought she could do better and fix the problems of the first day. She wound up just digging herself deeper.

[UA-Archangel]

I can tell she's nervous when she came on stage.

Can't blame her, because so much is riding on her tonight.

[Cmill216]

Can't blame her, because so much is riding on her tonight.

Stunning word choice. :D

[Honey Vibe]

Stunning word choice. :D...Sorry?
Anyway, I thought she did well in the debate tonight. She did seem plastic and sny, but she's certainly back in the game.

[UA-Archangel]

...Sorry?
Anyway, I thought she did well in the debate tonight. She did seem plastic and sny, but she's certainly back in the game.

I think her stiffness is because she was nervous, more than anything.

[Ziggyman]

Say it isn't so Joe!

[LostSon88]

Can't blame her, because so much is riding on her tonight.

That's what she said. :oldrazz:

Sorry...I just found this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-R3taSkAoww

R3taSkAoww

[Honey Vibe]

I think her stiffness is because she was nervous, more than anything.
It doesn't sound like you saw the entire debate.

[Asgard]

It seemed like she didnt attempt to answer a lot of the questions.

[gap5ewl]

It seemed like she didnt attempt to answer a lot of the questions.

Exactly she just "talking points and catch phrases" her way out of a majority of them.

[Manic]

That's what she said. :oldrazz:

Sorry...I just found this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-R3taSkAoww

R3taSkAoww
:lmao:

[Honey Vibe]

It seemed like she didnt attempt to answer a lot of the questions.
True.

Exactly she just "talking points and catch phrases" her way out of a majority of them.Also true, but "talking points and catch phrases" was observable in Joe Biden's playback as well.

[Superman4ever]

Not so Joe "Shmo" Average-six-pack-middle-class after all!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081002/ap_on_el_pr/palins_finances

Estimates show Palin assets top $1 million

By SHARON THEIMER and BRETT J. BLACKLEDGE, Associated Press Writers Thu Oct 2, 3:14 AM ET

WASILLA, Alaska - Sarah Palin and her husband have pieced together a uniquely Alaskan income that reached comfortably into six figures even before she became governor, capitalizing on valuable fishing rights, a series of land deals and a patchwork of other ventures to build an above-average lifestyle.

Add up the couple's 2007 income and the estimated value of their property and investments and they appear to be worth at least $1.2 million. That would make the Palins, like Democratic vice presidential rival Joe Biden and his wife Jill, well-off but not nearly as wealthy as multimillionaire couples John and Cindy McCain and, to a lesser extent, Barack and Michelle Obama.

One measure of financial health: While there is a home loan, Palin reported no personal credit card debt on her most recent financial report as Alaska governor. That compares to average household credit card debt among Americans of $9,840 last year.

A more complete picture will come when Sarah Palin outlines her personal finances in federal paperwork in coming days. It will include details of any mortgage debt and at least rough dollar totals for bank accounts and investments.

Palin this week characterized herself as "an everyday, working-class American" who knows how it feels when the stock market takes a hit.

The Palins' total income last year was split almost evenly between Sarah Palin's white-collar job and her husband's blue-collar work. Sarah Palin's salary as governor was $125,000; Todd Palin took in $46,790 as a part-time oil production operator for BP Alaska in Prudhoe Bay, plus $46,265 in commercial fishing income and $10,500 in Iron Dog snowmachine race winnings. These figures do not include nearly $17,000 in per diem payments Palin received for 312 nights spent in her own home since she was elected governor; she also has received $43,490 to cover travel costs for her husband and children.

In addition, each member of the Palin family received $1,654 in state oil royalties paid to all Alaskans.

The Palins' assets seem enviable: a half-million-dollar home on a lake with a float-plane at the dock, two vacation retreats, commercial-fishing rights worth an estimated $50,000 or more and an income last year of at least $230,000. That compares to a median income of $64,333 for Alaskans and $50,740 for Americans in 2007, according to the Census Bureau.

But in Alaska, scarce roads make private planes commonplace, it's typical to spend a month or two fishing commercially, and wilderness acreage is so plentiful the state has sold loads' worth stake-your-claim style. So, it's often the finer points that matter: How old is the airplane? Where exactly is the fishing spot? Is the house on a paved road?

Land itself doesn't necessarily translate to wealth, said Tom Hawkins of Anchorage, who paid about $2,000 for a five-acre parcel miles from the nearest road, best reached by snowmachine.

"I've got a stunning parcel overlooking a river," Hawkins said. "I took my wife to it. And she stood up and looked out at the stunning view and said, 'Dear, what are we going to do with it?'"

The Palins' main residence, a large two-story house on Lake Lucille in Wasilla, draws much of its value from its prime position along a paved road and float-plane accessible lake, said Darcie Salmon, a local real estate agent. He said lakefront land is plentiful in Alaska, but lakefront land along paved roads isn't.

The Palins' home, tucked behind a wooded field, is off Wasilla's main road, Parks Highway, a mostly four-lane road cluttered with restaurants, bars, retail stores, offices, grocery stores and big-box outlets such as Target. A store-bought "no trespassing" sign is posted near the entry to an unmarked, private gravel drive that winds about 100 yards to the lakefront home. A neighbor's property has an old metal gate at its entrance with a sign warning, "Enter at your own risk."

The Palins' four-bedroom, four-bath house, nearly 3,500 square feet, sits on just over two acres behind a tall wood-plank privacy fence that runs along one side of the property. It's one of the newest homes in the Snider subdivision lining Lake Lucille and is assessed at $552,000 — more than twice the value of a neighboring two-acre lot with a much smaller, older wood-frame home.

Todd Palin built the house with friends who were contractors, he said in a recent television interview.

The house is worth substantially more than the Palins' starter home, a three-bedroom, two-bath house house built in 1984 on the far western boundary of Wasilla. The quiet, wooded neighborhood was developed about three miles from the city center, with half-acre lots and space for young families.

In addition to the Lake Lucille home, the Palins own recreational property in two remote areas accessible by plane, all-terrain vehicle or snowmachine.

The Palins invested in five lots along Safari Lake, an undeveloped area near Denali State Park. They bought the property, once owned by the state's Department of Natural Resources and valued at $30,000 in assessment records, with friends Scott and Deborah Richter in 2004 and 2005. The Richters have since divorced.

With other friends, the Palins own a cabin on five acres southwest of Wasilla and the Iditarod National Historic Trail. The land and cabin are assessed at $55,000; property records do not show what the Palins paid for their share.

The Palins own snowmachines and an airplane. Todd Palin has a 1958 Piper float plane that he said has been in his family for about 20 years.

Though old, such planes remain in wide use. Palin's plane would be worth from about $38,000 to $78,000 depending on its condition, said Boyd Newman, owner of West One Aircraft Sales in Caldwell, Idaho.

Other family assets include Todd Palin's shoreside lease and commercial fishing permit to harvest salmon from Bristol Bay each season. Last year, the Palins took in $46,265 commercial fishing for sockeye salmon over about a month.

Todd Palin said he purchased his permit from his grandfather in the 1970s. A limited number of permits and shoreline leases have been issued, and the rights to them are often passed down through families or sold. Holders pay a fee each year to renew them.

Palin's is worth about $30,000, a shoreside lease on Coffee Point, where Palin's set-net site is located, is worth about $20,000, and Palin's skiff and gear are likely worth another $20,000, according to estimates by Paul Piercey, a broker with Dock Street Brokers in Seattle, which handles sales of fishing permits, boats and shoreside leases.

Palin's fishing spot is considered good but not great, Piercey said. And the work is backbreaking. Palin has said he expects to earn 68 cents per pound for this summer's catch.

"When you get up in the morning, your fingers are so swollen that you have to stick them in a bucket of icewater just to get movement back again" and ease the pain, said Hawkins, who fished on Bristol Bay one year.

Hawkins is former chief operating officer of the Bristol Bay Native Corp. and former chief executive of Choggiung Ltd., two native corporations in which Todd Palin, who is part Yup'ik Eskimo, is a shareholder, along with the Palin children. The Palins are among about 8,000 shareholders in BBNC and among about 1,200 shareholders in Choggiung Limited, Hawkins said.

Sarah Palin reported Todd Palin collecting $266 and each child $21 in dividends last year from BBNC, and a total of $16.50 from Choggiung Limited.

Todd Palin is still a BP employee. Company spokesman Steve Rinehart declined to describe Palin's status beyond confirming his employment. Palin's schedule is one week on, one week off, Palin said in a recent television interview.

Palin previously left BP in the 1990s to run Valley Polaris, a snowmachine, four-wheeler and watercraft dealership he pursued with a friend and business partner. They sold the business in 1997; public records do not show whether it was at a profit or a loss. At the time, Sarah Palin was earning about $61,000 a year as Wasilla mayor.

The Polaris dealership was among three business ventures the Palins explored; the others never took off. Palin's financial disclosure reports do not say how much if any money the Palins invested in the business ventures or real estate, or what if any profit they made on sales.

Sarah Palin formed a consulting business called "Rouge Cou" — French for redneck — but didn't pursue it.

The Palins teamed with another couple, Ray and Carolin Wells of Anchorage, to start a car wash in Anchorage, but it was never built. Carolin Wells described the Palins as silent partners she believes initially paid half the money to buy the land. Around the time Sarah Palin began considering a run for governor, the Palins reduced their stake to 40 percent.

Barely a year into the land ownership, the man lined up to operate the car wash backed out, and since neither couple wanted to run it, they decided to sell the land and move on, Carolin Wells said. She couldn't recall the purchase or sales prices of the land, but believes she and her husband made a modest profit and the Palins broke even.

The couples let their state paperwork lapse on the venture, Anchorage Car Wash LLC, resulting in a letter threatening to dissolve the corporation. The letterhead carried Gov. Palin's name on it.

The deal was among several involving undeveloped land the Palins have engaged in over the years.

The Palins purchased a parcel on Beaverhouse Lake in Big Lake in 2003 and sold it in 2004 for an undisclosed amount. The land has been assessed at $14,000 the past three years.

The Palins sold nearly five acres of undeveloped waterfront property on the northeast shore of Wasilla Lake in 2005 to a local developer. The sales price wasn't disclosed. The land now is subdivided into five parcels, with two waterfront lots, two others behind those, and a commercial lot. Duane Mathes, a local real estate agent showing the property for the owner who bought it from the Palins, said the leveled lots are listed for $149,500 each.

Salmon, who was mayor of the Matanuska-Susitna Borough that includes Wasilla while Palin was Wasilla mayor, recalled that as mayor, Sarah Palin shared many of his pro-development views, and said the Palins' land acquisitions weren't unusual.

"A lot of Alaskans own a lot of land," Salmon said, "and if you're bright, you buy land in the path of progress."

The home of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin on Lake Lucille in Wasilla, Alaska, is seen Wednesday, Sept. 24, 2008. Palin and her husband have pieced together a uniquely Alaskan income that reached comfortably into six figures even before she became governor, capitalizing on valuable fishing rights, a series of land deals and a patchwork of other ventures to build an above-average lifestyle. (AP Photo/Al Grillo)

She has more than that ill'etist Obama Hussein! *makes scary face*

[jaguarr]

Also true, but "talking points and catch phrases" was observable in Joe Biden's playback as well.

A bit, but at least Biden's talking points and catch phrases were directly applicable to the topic at hand and relevant. Palin was hellbent on applying talking points and catch phrases for completely unrelated topics to the questions she was being asked. It was....awkward.

jag

[Exploding Boy]

She didn't do bad, but she didn't do all that great either. She FAILED to answer the questions. Even admitting to everyone that she was not going to answer the questions. Instead she ignored the questions and just talked about what she wanted! What a joke. And when they interviewed that guy afterwards and he said that he thought Biden drifted from the questions more and Palin stayed on top of the questions...man people sure are ****ing stupid.

[Spider-X]

Sarah Palin is very dangerous here...because she appeals to the small minded and simple thinkers. She doesn't back much up with facts and she often doesn't even answer the questions. But damn if she isn't pretty to look at and she is likable.

But Joe Biden is so above and beyond Palin, it shouldn't even be a debate who won the...uh..debate.

The man deals in hard facts and he shut her down at every turn...and she didn't even fight back, she just said "yes" or "no" and went on to another issue.

This elections will really define how I feel about the average person in America...and I'm currently scared...

[Spider-X]

She didn't do bad, but she didn't do all that great either. She FAILED to answer the questions. Even admitting to everyone that she was not going to answer the questions. Instead she ignored the questions and just talked about what she wanted! What a joke. And when they interviewed that guy afterwards and he said that he thought Biden drifted from the questions more and Palin stayed on top of the questions...man people sure are ****ing stupid.

did you see the guy? He's from Idaho...not a lot of deep thinking, enlightened, open minded people coming out of Idaho. Not to mention that with an answer like there, he either had already made his mind up before coming there and just said he didn't, or he's a numb-skull.

[Exploding Boy]

Sarah Palin is very dangerous here...because she appeals to the small minded and simple thinkers. She doesn't back much up with facts and she often doesn't even answer the questions. But damn if she isn't pretty to look at and she is likable.

But Joe Biden is so above and beyond Palin, it shouldn't even be a debate who won the...uh..debate.

The man deals in hard facts and he shut her down at every turn...and she didn't even fight back, she just said "yes" or "no" and went on to another issue.

This elections will really define how I feel about the average person in America...and I'm currently scared...
Yeah she appeals to the ignorant people who don't inform themselves of the actual person and just go to the voting booth and say "Oh, I'm a woman. I'm a mom...I think I'll vote for this one."

did you see the guy? He's from Idaho...not a lot of deep thinking, enlightened, open minded people coming out of Idaho. Not to mention that with an answer like there, he either had already made his mind up before coming there and just said he didn't, or he's a numb-skull.
Yeah he looked like he was pissed that he was missing Nascar. lol

[Spider-X]

Yeah she appeals to the ignorant people who don't inform themselves of the actual person and just go to the voting booth and say "Oh, I'm a woman. I'm a mom...I think I'll vote for this one."

I think John Stewart said it best when he said something to the extent of: I don't want someone i can relate to for president...I want someone who is embarrassingly more intelligent and better in every way than I am.

and I will add to that: and someone who will listen to the people!


Yeah he looked like he was pissed that he was missing Nascar. lol

LOL...yeah, pretty much :hehe:

[RAMORE]

I call Palin winner in the debate she was fantastic.

[Exploding Boy]

Specifically(which she seems to have trouble with :hehe: ) how come? If you dont mind me asking.

[Clark Kent]

I call Palin winner in the debate she was fantastic.

Words like this terrify the very soul out of me, if I have one.

[Spider-X]

Words like this terrify the very soul out of me, if I have one.

Amen

[Clark Kent]

Why are Sarah Palin, her husband, and her aides, so afraid of Troopergate? If they have nothing to hide, surely they have nothing to fear.

[danoyse]

Actually, it looks like Troopergate will continue. The judge upheld the subpoenas:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/02/palin.trooper.investigation/index.html

Subpoenas upheld in Palin trooper investigation

ANCHORAGE, Alaska (CNN) -- An Alaska judge refused Thursday to throw out subpoenas for members of Gov. Sarah Palin's administration in the State Legislature's investigation of her firing of her public safety commissioner.
Anchorage Superior Court Judge Peter Michalski rejected a request by Palin's Republican allies to shut down the investigation and ruled that the subpoenas were issued properly by the state Senate Judiciary Committee.

Kevin Clarkson, a lawyer for five GOP lawmakers who filed suit in September, said the date was arbitrarily chosen by the lawmakers overseeing the investigation.

"There's no magic to this October 10 date," Clarkson said. The bipartisan committee that authorized the investigation stated only that it be conducted "in a timely manner," he said.

Peter Maassen, the attorney for the lawmakers leading the inquiry, called the suit "a complete perversion of the process" and said the Legislature had the authority to conduct its investigation.

The former Anchorage prosecutor hired to conduct the investigation, Stephen Branchflower, is slated to complete his report by October 10. In an affidavit filed ahead of Thursday's hearing, he said he has begun to draft his report despite the refusal of several Palin aides and her husband, Todd, to comply with subpoenas issued by the state Senate Judiciary Committee.

Assistant Attorney General Jan Hart DeYoung had asked Michalski to dismiss the subpoenas for top seven members of Palin's administration, arguing that the committee had no authority to issue them.

Palin, now the Republican vice presidential nominee, sacked Public Service Commissioner Walt Monegan in July, citing disagreements over budget issues. But Monegan has said he believes that he was fired because he resisted pressure to fire Palin's ex-brother-in-law, State Trooper Mike Wooten.

Palin has denied any wrongdoing, calling Wooten a "rogue trooper" who threatened her family during his divorce from the governor's sister.

Though she initially agreed to cooperate with the Legislature's investigation, her campaign has called it "tainted" by partisan politics since she became Sen. John McCain's running mate and insisted that the state Personnel Board handle any inquiry.

Her aides have criticized the lawmaker overseeing the investigation, Democratic state Sen. Hollis French, for a September 2 interview in which he suggested that the inquiry could yield an "October surprise" for the GOP. Clarkson said French's comments created "an appearance of bias" that violated the state constitution's guarantee of due process.

French was in court Thursday but did not speak during the hearing. Maassen told the judge that "the way to resolve legislative issues is by discussion and persuasion among legislators," not by a lawsuit.

The investigation was originally supposed to be completed October 31. The deadline was moved up three weeks in response to complaints about French's remarks to ABC News.

[AndThePickles]

I didn't watch the whole debate, but from what I saw, Palin was painful :csad:

[Arc-Light]

I call Palin winner in the debate she was fantastic.

Is that you Pat Buchanan............

[jaguarr]

danoyse beats me to the Troopergate story, yet again!

jag

[Hobgoblin]

danoyse beats me to the Troopergate story, yet again!

jag

Dont feel bad, she beats me to infracting people all the time. :csad::oldrazz:

[jaguarr]

Dont feel bad, she beats me to infracting people all the time. :csad::oldrazz:

She beats people. It's hawt. :ninja:

jag

[UA-Archangel]

Is that you Pat Buchanan............

Actually, Buchanan has been quite vocal in his hopes that the Republican party gets raised on its petard.

[The Senator]

I didn't watch the whole debate, but from what I saw, Palin was painful :csad:

I saw bits and pieces. She really came off as too scripted at parts. Though I will say she was able to hold her own a couple of times.

Biden, however, knew what he was talking about. He had solid figures, factual evidence backing his claims, and a solid delivery.

[gap5ewl]

I saw bits and pieces. She really came off as too scripted at parts. Though I will say she was able to hold her own a couple of times.

Biden, however, knew what he was talking about. He had solid figures, factual evidence backing his claims, and a solid delivery.

:up: That sums it up perfectly. And Biden never came of as arrogant at all.

[Knives]

I saw bits and pieces. She really came off as too scripted at parts. Though I will say she was able to hold her own a couple of times.

Biden, however, knew what he was talking about. He had solid figures, factual evidence backing his claims, and a solid delivery.

Palin basically went from utter imbecile to horribly incompetent. What a step up!:up:

[jks]

I call Palin winner in the debate she was fantastic.
This is exactly the reason weed is illegal

[Mr Sparkle]

I like the fact that every news outlet is saying "Palin exceeds expectations"
it's like "wow, forrest ran really fast! that's uncanny!"

LOL

[spideyboy_1111]

So i hear Palin believes Dino's roamed the Earth in the biblical age.. soo... uh did she think they were like Horses for Jesus or something? And how'd she feel about Jurassic Park? I'm kinda thinking she thought it was a documentary.


and i'm utterly astounded that she hasn't said yet that she has learned foreign policy through the Inuits ...

[Superman]

Dont feel bad, she beats me to infracting people all the time. :csad::oldrazz:danoyse is a girl? :O

Well don't I feel stupid. http://smilies.vidahost.com/contrib/duckman/indiff.gif

[Ultimate_Superman]

To be honest I don't see why so many people are poking fun at Palin for believing Dinosaurs and humans roamed the Earth together. I am a Christian so speaking from that view point God created the Earth and man in 6 days which meant that Dinosaurs and humans did roam the earth at the same time now do I think they interacted with one another? Yes up until the fall of man; and it was actually spoke upon in the bible in Job 40:15-24. If you believe in God's word and believe that God created the Earth and all its inhabitants(man and animals) in 6 days then you will believe that Dinosaurs and humans lived during the same time periods and also that the earth is roughly about 6,000 years old.

[danoyse]

danoyse is a girl? :O

Well don't I feel stupid. http://smilies.vidahost.com/contrib/duckman/indiff.gif

Excuse me...danoyse is a woman. :cwink:

And jag and Demo will have plenty of opportunities to get to everything first next week when I'm on vacation. :up:

[y2jversion1]

To be honest I don't see why so many people are poking fun at Palin for believing Dinosaurs and humans roamed the Earth together. I am a Christian so speaking from that view point God created the Earth and man in 6 days which meant that Dinosaurs and humans did roam the earth at the same time now do I think they interacted with one another? Yes up until the fall of man; and it was actually spoke upon in the bible in Job 40:15-24. If you believe in God's word and believe that God created the Earth and all its inhabitants(man and animals) in 6 days then you will believe that Dinosaurs and humans lived during the same time periods and also that the earth is roughly about 6,000 years old.

:eek:

Ok, lets just throw out the entire concept of carbon dating because clearly, it's wrong.

[Lightning Strykez!]

Excuse me...danoyse is a woman. :cwink:



Danoyse is all woman! :mad::up:

As far as this "other" woman, Sarah Palin: the child is clueless.

The ONLY reason she was able to "hold her own" as people are saying is because the McCain campaign blocked Biden from directly engaging her in a true debate format. They essentially rigged this debate, so they basically protected her. If it hadn't been for that "electric fencing", she would have been reduced to a stuttering, bumbling fool up there last night. Why? Because Joe would've had his way with her.

This whole thing is a JOKE.

[jaguarr]

Hey, this is from Fox News, so no neo-cons can say it's not true. :funny:

http://foxforum.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/10/02/bbeckel_1003/

October 2nd, 2008 11:33 AM Eastern
Sarah Palin: A Bridge Too Far

By Bob Beckel
Democratic Strategist/FOX News Political Contributor

Have we reached the point of mediocrity in this country that Sarah Palin’s debate performance was actually acceptable to her supporters (fortunately, Independents in early polls do not share that view) because she didn’t fall on her face, as many conservatives feared? That’s your standard? No wonder there are still some of you who still think George Bush, the very definition of mediocrity, is a good president.

In a word, Palin’s debate performance was awful. She couldn’t win a high school student council election with those homespun platitudes, repetitive inane comments about the war, and most strikingly her refusal to answer not a few but EVERY question put to her that demanded a direct answer.

Every economic question received the tired tax-and-spend slogans Republicans have bellowed for years.

Foreign policy: “You were wrong on the surge.” — That was it. Not one single idea of her own (which is understandable, since she has none). What would you do different in bad economic times like this? “Cut more taxes in Walissa.” The great foreign policy team around McCain-Palin includes Rudy Giuliani, who has about as much foreign policy experience as Madonna, and who history will record mishandled 9/11 in tragic ways.

Palin’s next foreign policy guru? Mitt Romney. — The same stiff-haired flip-flopper whose entire foreign policy experience was pedaling his bike trying to convert Mormons in France. Or Henry Kissinger, who ran illegal wars in Laos and Cambodia to get Richard Nixon re-elected and lied when he told Americans before the 1972 election that, “Peace is at hand” in Vietnam. I suppose if your worldview is seeing Russia from an island in Alaska, and having a border with our threatening neighbor, Canada, you love these guys.

The Economic Crisis: When asked about the current economic crisis, she says nothing because she knows nothing. But she sure talked about her family breakfast table a lot. That’s the table the citizens of Alaska paid per diem for her to sit at for over 300 days as governor. She says electing her and McCain is electing two mavericks who will cut spending, including earmarks. Palin has asked for, and gotten, $1 million every day in pork for Alaska since she’s been governor.

Palin says she and McCain will appoint the most qualified people to government despite party labels. Sort of like your second grade friend you put in charge of Alaska’s agriculture because “she loved cows as a little girl,” Sarah?

A word for Moderator Gwen Ifill: The right intimidated you. You never forced Palin to answer a question directly and not duck; you bent over backward to take her sophomoric answers seriously; and frankly you treated her with girlie gloves.

But that’s not the point. Even with your softball questions she couldn’t get past “aw shucks,” “hockey moms” and “Wasilla values” (which get weirder and weirder).

If the stakes weren’t so high, this obviously nice and fairly articulate person can probably still govern the state of Alaska, where frankly it doesn’t much matter. But vice president of the United States? That is a bridge not only too far, but the real bridge to nowhere.


Scattered amongst the "OMG she didn't failz so completely that people think she's mentally retarded! Teh WINZ!!!111!!!" articles, I'm starting to see more and more like this one, dissecting her performance and what she actually said. More and more people are starting to realize she didn't actually answer any questions.

jag

[Matt]

Palin wasn't embarrassing. And that is a win for the McCain camp. But she needed to give a game changing performance. She did not. That is why she lost. Biden did what he needed to do (keep calm, not flip out, not let her play the victim, and come off as relatable and down to earth). Palin did not do what she needed to do. Therefore Biden wins.

[Prison Mike]

To be honest I don't see why so many people are poking fun at Palin for believing Dinosaurs and humans roamed the Earth together. I am a Christian so speaking from that view point God created the Earth and man in 6 days which meant that Dinosaurs and humans did roam the earth at the same time now do I think they interacted with one another? Yes up until the fall of man; and it was actually spoke upon in the bible in Job 40:15-24. If you believe in God's word and believe that God created the Earth and all its inhabitants(man and animals) in 6 days then you will believe that Dinosaurs and humans lived during the same time periods and also that the earth is roughly about 6,000 years old.

I'm not sure how to respond to this. :dry:

[StrainedEyes]

I'm not sure how to respond to this. :dry:

Flintstones
Meet the Flintstones
They're a modern stone-age family...

[BlackLantern]

I want a Brontosaurus crane

[jaguarr]

Flintstones
Meet the Flintstones
They're a modern stone-age family...

To some people, that show was a documentary. Frightening.

jag

[Kelly]

Palin wasn't embarrassing. And that is a win for the McCain camp. But she needed to give a game changing performance. She did not. That is why she lost. Biden did what he needed to do (keep calm, not flip out, not let her play the victim, and come off as relatable and down to earth). Palin did not do what she needed to do. Therefore Biden wins.

I don't think she was embarrassing in the least. I have to wonder why the first interview on ABC hasn't been shown, and reshown and reshown like the CBS interview. Also, the interviews were 2 hour interviews. Neither of them were bad at all....... Why people were so worried about the debate, I have no idea. She did what she needed to do. I think both did. It was an entertainin debate. Kept me awake, unlike the McCain/Obama debate which put me to sleep a few times.

[Comicfilmer]

:eek:

Ok, lets just throw out the entire concept of carbon dating because clearly, it's wrong.

Just to play Devil's advocate here, many creationists believe that because God created man as a fully grown adult according to Scripture (rather than as a baby), he might also have created a more mature Earth, which would account for the supposed discrepancy carbon dating presents. This is a discussion for another thread, however.

[Lightning Strykez!]

Mitt Romney. — The same stiff-haired flip-flopper

:lmao:

I'm sorry...but that struck me as hilarious for some reason. :p

[Lightning Strykez!]

I don't think she was embarrassing in the least. I have to wonder why the first interview on ABC hasn't been shown, and reshown and reshown like the CBS interview. Also, the interviews were 2 hour interviews. Neither of them were bad at all....... Why people were so worried about the debate, I have no idea. She did what she needed to do. I think both did. It was an entertainin debate. Kept me awake, unlike the McCain/Obama debate which put me to sleep a few times.

You're just saying that because you're a feminist! :mad: Sexism alert! *rings bell*

I'm totally messing with you. I just love sticking to my talking points and buzz words here.

[Mr Sparkle]

so, no one got kind of creeped out when she said she would "tolerate" gay couples?

[Asr]

To be honest I don't see why so many people are poking fun at Palin for believing Dinosaurs and humans roamed the Earth together. I am a Christian so speaking from that view point God created the Earth and man in 6 days which meant that Dinosaurs and humans did roam the earth at the same time now do I think they interacted with one another? Yes up until the fall of man; and it was actually spoke upon in the bible in Job 40:15-24. If you believe in God's word and believe that God created the Earth and all its inhabitants(man and animals) in 6 days then you will believe that Dinosaurs and humans lived during the same time periods and also that the earth is roughly about 6,000 years old.

First, nowhere in the Bible does it say the Earth is 6K years old. This number is only an extrapolation based on events that it describes and the lifespan of the first people that it mentions.

Second, let's take an actual look at Genesis 1:1-2. "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was* formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters." Nowhere in that verse is a length of time given between "In the beginning" (verse 1) and "Now" (verse 2). For all you know millions of years could have passed between verse 1 and 2. Have you actually read your Bible or are you just taking the beliefs of others at their word? The asterisk is also a common indicator for an alternate word "became" which can imply there was definitely a stretch of time between verse 1 and 2.

Third, the idea that the first humans mentioned in the Bible co-existed with dinosaurs is downright ridiculous. Science has proven itself over and over, and although it is a constant refinement and theories can get disproven, it is generally rock-solid. Without it, we would not have anything electronic (most of which are completely reliable in their operation), electric, or the ability to do what most humans do everyday in the modern world - construction, weather analysis, etc. Fossils of so-called dinosaurs have been found the world over and have been scientifically dated to millions of years ago. Therefore this planet is millions of years old. It is not 6K years old. And you don't need fossils to say Earth is old either - there's plenty of other geological and astronomical evidence that suggests it is.

Anyone who believes their Bible and simultaneously thinks people co-existed with dinosaurs is delusional. The Bible and science don't necessarily contradict each other, it's just that neither gives the full account of what happened millions of years ago and can be seen as helping each other out.

I've also heard of the argument from Christians that "oh God put these fossils on Earth to test our faith!" That is a patently insane idea. I've read the Bible myself and nowhere does God or Jesus "test the faith" of his followers and if you think the God that the Bible describes would actually do such a thing, you need to re-read your Bible - that would be an outright malicious, vindictive act which doesn't have any support in the Bible. Now if you wanted to say "oh Satan put these fossils on Earth to cast doubt among Bible believers" that would be a different idea.

Btw and I've read Job 40:15-24 and if you really think that describes a dinosaur, you're grasping at straws. That could describe quite a few animals which still exist today.

[jaguarr]

so, no one got kind of creeped out when she said she would "tolerate" gay couples?

Yeah, I kind of cringed at that.

jag

[jaguarr]

Guys, can we please keep the debate over whether the Earth is 6,000 years old or not out of this thread? There are religious threads in Community you can go argue about that, in. Thanks! :up:

jag

[Mr Sparkle]

Yeah, I kind of cringed at that.

jag

and even though Biden did the sensible yet totally ball-less thing ( which was say he did not support gay marriage, c'mon democrats! get a pair!) he was saying some neat stuff about broadening the rights gay couples have, when Ifill asked Palin is she shared those thoughts she simply said " I also do NOT support gay marriage" :huh: and Ifill didn't call her on it!? I was like "answer the question CLAIRE!!"

[Ultimate_Superman]

First, nowhere in the Bible does it say the Earth is 6K years old. This number is only an extrapolation based on events that it describes and the lifespan of the first people that it mentions.

Second, let's take an actual look at Genesis 1:1-2. "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was* formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters." Nowhere in that verse is a length of time given between "In the beginning" (verse 1) and "Now" (verse 2). For all you know millions of years could have passed between verse 1 and 2. Have you actually read your Bible or are you just taking the beliefs of others at their word? The asterisk is also a common indicator for an alternate word "became" which can imply there was definitely a stretch of time between verse 1 and 2.

Third, the idea that the first humans mentioned in the Bible co-existed with dinosaurs is downright ridiculous. Science has proven itself over and over, and although it is a constant refinement and theories can get disproven, it is generally rock-solid. Without it, we would not have anything electronic (most of which are completely reliable in their operation), electric, or the ability to do what most humans do everyday in the modern world - construction, weather analysis, etc. Fossils of so-called dinosaurs have been found the world over and have been scientifically dated to millions of years ago. Therefore this planet is millions of years old. It is not 6K years old. And you don't need fossils to say Earth is old either - there's plenty of other geological and astronomical evidence that suggests it is.

Anyone who believes their Bible and simultaneously thinks people co-existed with dinosaurs is delusional. The Bible and science don't necessarily contradict each other, it's just that neither gives the full account of what happened millions of years ago and can be seen as helping each other out.

I've also heard of the argument from Christians that "oh God put these fossils on Earth to test our faith!" That is a patently insane idea. I've read the Bible myself and nowhere does God or Jesus "test the faith" of his followers and if you think the God that the Bible describes would actually do such a thing, you need to re-read your Bible - that would be an outright malicious, vindictive act which doesn't have any support in the Bible. Now if you wanted to say "oh Satan put these fossils on Earth to cast doubt among Bible believers" that would be a different idea.

Btw and I've read Job 40:15-24 and if you really think that describes a dinosaur, you're grasping at straws. That could describe quite a few animals which still exist today.
Oh I read my my Bible and if you keep reading the first chapter of Genesis it clearly states that God did all of this in 6 days.
001:031 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was
very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

As I said before you may not believe everything in the bible happened. For example you may not believe that Red Sea parted or you may not believe the story of Noah's ark or you may not believe in the works of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. But I believe in them and I do believe that man and dinosaur shared the Earth together now if you believe different then that's you.

[jaguarr]

Oh I read my my Bible and if you keep reading the first chapter of Genesis it clearly states that God did all of this in 6 days.
001:031 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was
very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

As I said before you may not believe everything in the bible happened. For example you may not believe that Red Sea parted or you may not believe the story of Noah's ark or you may not believe in the works of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. But I believe in them and I do believe that man and dinosaur shared the Earth together now if you believe different then that's you.



Guys, can we please keep the debate over whether the Earth is 6,000 years old or not out of this thread? There are religious threads in Community you can go argue about that, in. Thanks! :up:

jag

:up:

jag

[Superman4ever]

Sarah Palin flow chart:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3091/2909496470_d751e8a3dc.jpg?v=0

:D :D

[Ultimate_Superman]

Guys, can we please keep the debate over whether the Earth is 6,000 years old or not out of this thread? There are religious threads in Community you can go argue about that, in. Thanks! :up:

jagActually Jag this is on topic since you guys like to poke fun at Mrs. Palin for believing her Bible and believing that man and dinosaurs roamed the Earth together as a reason why she is also unfit to run. I personal think Sara Plain is unfit to run for office but not because of her religious beliefs unlike some here like to point out but because she isn't skilled enough.




ult

[spideyboy_1111]

To be honest I don't see why so many people are poking fun at Palin for believing Dinosaurs and humans roamed the Earth together. I am a Christian so speaking from that view point God created the Earth and man in 6 days which meant that Dinosaurs and humans did roam the earth at the same time now do I think they interacted with one another? Yes up until the fall of man; and it was actually spoke upon in the bible in Job 40:15-24. If you believe in God's word and believe that God created the Earth and all its inhabitants(man and animals) in 6 days then you will believe that Dinosaurs and humans lived during the same time periods and also that the earth is roughly about 6,000 years old.

it's a common belief among the people that believe in dino and man living hand in hand that those 6 days were alot longer then a day now.. possibly years.

and science proves this theory completely wrong... i don't care what your beliefs are, facts are facts.

[spideyboy_1111]

Just to play Devil's advocate here, many creationists believe that because God created man as a fully grown adult according to Scripture (rather than as a baby), he might also have created a more mature Earth, which would account for the supposed discrepancy carbon dating presents. This is a discussion for another thread, however.

still doesn't explain why we've never found human remains from the same time period as a dino...

[Ultimate_Superman]

it's a common belief among the people that believe in dino and man living hand in hand that those 6 days were alot longer then a day now.. possibly years.

and science proves this theory completely wrong... i don't care what your beliefs are, facts are facts.
Science says a man can not rise from the dead yet alone cause others to rise from the dead yet Jesus did it. Science says you can not split a sea in two yet it happened. Science is not always right people. All because she believes in something does not mean she is wrong it just means she has faith in her God and he religion much like how I do.

[spideyboy_1111]

so, no one got kind of creeped out when she said she would "tolerate" gay couples?

omg last night i was talking to an old neighbor of mine, and she was like "i think if some gay people sat down and talked with Palin she'd be alot more supportive" i was like.............................................. .................................................. .................................................. ...........................................





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sorry im still speechless from her comment

[jaguarr]

Actually Jag this is on topic since you guys like to poke fun at Mrs. Palin for believing her Bible and believing that man and dinosaurs roamed the Earth together as a reason why she is also unfit to run. I personal think Sara Plain is unfit to run for office but not because of her religious beliefs unlike some here like to point out but because she isn't skilled enough.




ult

The discussion over her beliefs is valid for this thread. The discussion over whether the Earth really is 6,000 years old or not; it just turns the thread into yet another religious debate thread and we don't need that.

jag

[Superman4ever]

This thread has been...hijacked!

[Ultimate_Superman]

The discussion over her beliefs is valid for this thread. The discussion over whether the Earth really is 6,000 years old or not; it just turns the thread into yet another religious debate thread and we don't need that.

jagthen that is all valid Jag because that is part of her beliefs as well. I mean I know you guys don't care to much for her and don't think she is fit to run and I agree but I think her religion should not be a problem. I mean for example if Obama was a Muslim should he not run because of what he believes in and what his faith did to our country or should a man who does not believe in God altogether not even run because he thinks all people that do believe in God is crazy.

[spideyboy_1111]

Science says a man can not rise from the dead yet alone cause others to rise from the dead yet Jesus did it. Science says you can not split a sea in two yet it happened. Science is not always right people. All because she believes in something does not mean she is wrong it just means she has faith in her God and he religion much like how I do.

umm in case you haven't noticed several people have died and been brought back to life on a medical table. Sure there not dead for a while, but same concept. And by the way, your beliefs aside, your book is very far from proof, put all the beliefs you want in it (i have no problems with this) but don't be ignorant to proof when man wrote that book of yours, and man has proven time and time again to use metaphors, and extend the truth... if you know anything about mythology of other cultures, you would know there's several stories in the bible that were even adapted from much older myths. Its no historical secret that men have corrupted others beliefs, and altered the bible for there own gain, making christian holidays fall upon pagan ones for a "much easier" transition is one of them...

And there are PLENTY of Christians (majority) who are able to accept scientific proof and not look at the bible as a history book, but more of spiritual guidance.

[spideyboy_1111]

then that is all valid Jag because that is part of her beliefs as well. I mean I know you guys don't care to much for her and don't think she is fit to run and I agree but I think her religion should not be a problem. I mean for example if Obama was a Muslim should he not run because of what he believes in and what his faith did to our country or should a man who does not believe in God altogether not even run because he thinks all people that do believe in God is crazy.

unfortunately when you use your religion in your campaign it does become part of a problem...

unfortunately the rest of the country sees it this way, we will probably never see any president who is not a Christian, nor one who spouts it in there campaign.

[AndThePickles]

Sarah Palin flow chart:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3091/2909496470_d751e8a3dc.jpg?v=0

:D :D

Haha, I love it.

[Gilpesh]

Haha, I love it.

Hey, have to ask you something that I have been asking women that I know:


Did you actually feel it as Palin set back the progress that women have made through the years? And if yes, was it sort of like when Yoda felt all the Jedi dying in Revenge of the Sith?

[The Senator]

and even though Biden did the sensible yet totally ball-less thing ( which was say he did not support gay marriage, c'mon democrats! get a pair!) he was saying some neat stuff about broadening the rights gay couples have, when Ifill asked Palin is she shared those thoughts she simply said " I also do NOT support gay marriage" :huh: and Ifill didn't call her on it!? I was like "answer the question CLAIRE!!"

Exactly.

All she could do was go on a minute-long rant about how "tolerant" she is. I don't care if she's tolerant, I expect that of ANY politician; what I care about is whether she would support giving those benefits to same-sex couples on a national level, which she couldn't answer at all.

[AndThePickles]

Hey, have to ask you something that I have been asking women that I know:


Did you actually feel it as Palin set back the progress that women have made through the years? And if yes, was it sort of like when Yoda felt all the Jedi dying in Revenge of the Sith?

Lol. She's mainly just really embarrassing. She's only one woman, so I'd never give her credit for setting back all women's progress. My female friends and I always talk about how much we cringe whenever we see her talk, though :csad:

[BlackLantern]

None of the women I have spoken with seem to like her....my mom called her a **** last week....she thinks Palin beats her kids

[Gilpesh]

All she could do was go on a minute-long rant about how "tolerant" she is.

Jman, was it just me or when she said that did it seem like a swear word?

Lol. She's mainly just really embarrassing. She's only one woman, so I'd never give her credit for setting back all women's progress. My female friends and I always talk about how much we cringe whenever we see her talk, though :csad:

Don't worry, everyone cringes when she talks. It's like watching the movie Fargo but without the entertainment because Palin could end up VP...

[That-Guy]

Sarah Palin flow chart:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3091/2909496470_d751e8a3dc.jpg?v=0

:D :D

Brilliant. :D

[danoyse]

Exactly.

All she could do was go on a minute-long rant about how "tolerant" she is. I don't care if she's tolerant, I expect that of ANY politician; what I care about is whether she would support giving those benefits to same-sex couples on a national level, which she couldn't answer at all.

She also pointed out that she believes homosexuality is a choice. :whatever:

[jaguarr]

then that is all valid Jag because that is part of her beliefs as well. I mean I know you guys don't care to much for her and don't think she is fit to run and I agree but I think her religion should not be a problem. I mean for example if Obama was a Muslim should he not run because of what he believes in and what his faith did to our country or should a man who does not believe in God altogether not even run because he thinks all people that do believe in God is crazy.

Oh, I agree, but it does NOT require an in depth argument between posters over whether the Earth is really 6,000 years old or not. It's superfluous and ultimately irrelevant to the topic at hand; either you agree with creationism or you don't. There's no need to explore that particular subject in depth in here other than stating you agree with her or you don't. At any rate, with Palin, the policies she's in favor of instituting are very much due to her faith; to the point that it becomes about the concept of legislating morality...HER morality. That is dangerous. That's where the discussion lies. So while her personal religious choices and beliefs are a bit of an aside, what she would seek to do with them when it comes to policy and legislation becomes a concern for every single voter, regardless of whether they agree with her or not.

Anyway, I do agree with you that there are far better reasons to not support her and even fear her presence on the national political scene. I WOULD like to ask her, however, if in the event that the Earth really was only 6,000 years old, wouldn't it make sense that the oil she's so gung-ho to drill for in the Alaskan Wildlife Refuge was comprised not just of fossilized dinosaur remains but also fossilized human remains? :hehe:

jag

[spideyboy_1111]

She also pointed out that she believes homosexuality is a choice. :whatever:

people like that need to be slapped... i love it how people constantly assume whats inside others heads...

[jaguarr]

None of the women I have spoken with seem to like her....my mom called her a **** last week....she thinks Palin beats her kids

For the first time in my life, my own Mother (who is a die-hard Republican) is refusing to vote in a Presidential election? Why? Because of the incompetent mess that is Sarah Palin and McCain's decision to make her his running mate. She's mad as hell at the both of them and, while she also hates Obama, she's not about to help McCain get into office at all. I'm, frankly, stunned that she's opting to sit this election out.

jag

[spideyboy_1111]

I thought about opt-ing out.. but I sure as hell don't want a no vote helping Mc Cain and Palin, So no way am i not voting. Not to mention I gotta make sure the Gay Marriage Ban doesn't go through in Cali...

[Superman]

Excuse me...danoyse is a woman. :cwink:


I knew when I typed that that I was going to get in trouble.:csad:

Sorry, Woman.:cwink::woot:

[Superman]

To be honest I don't see why so many people are poking fun at Palin for believing Dinosaurs and humans roamed the Earth together. I am a Christian so speaking from that view point God created the Earth and man in 6 days which meant that Dinosaurs and humans did roam the earth at the same time now do I think they interacted with one another? Yes up until the fall of man; and it was actually spoke upon in the bible in Job 40:15-24. If you believe in God's word and believe that God created the Earth and all its inhabitants(man and animals) in 6 days then you will believe that Dinosaurs and humans lived during the same time periods and also that the earth is roughly about 6,000 years old.

....


There is no smilie to express how I feel about this post. It's just so.... Wow.

[That-Guy]

For the first time in my life, my own Mother (who is a die-hard Republican) is refusing to vote in a Presidential election? Why? Because of the incompetent mess that is Sarah Palin and McCain's decision to make her his running mate. She's mad as hell at the both of them and, while she also hates Obama, she's not about to help McCain get into office at all. I'm, frankly, stunned that she's opting to sit this election out.

jag

It makes sense. If John McCain loves this country as much as he says he does, then he would have taken his own possible mortality into account when picking a running mate, as any president should. It's not something we want to face, but as president, it's your DUTY to make sure that if something happens to you while in office, that the country will be left in good hands. So he picked someone who looks good on camera and hasn't spent five minutes of her life thinking about any national or international issues. He picked someone who, when asked important questions about our economy and foreign policy, either produces the most incoherent BS we've heard since Miss South Carolina or dodges the question completely in an effort to divert attention back to the two or three things she does understand. He picked someone who can't even name ONE publication that she reads pertaining to current issues affecting this country.

As Keith Olbermann pointed out, when asked about a court decision that Sarah Palin disagreed with OTHER than Roe vs. Wade, she responded... Roe vs. Wade.

[That-Guy]

people like that need to be slapped... i love it how people constantly assume whats inside others heads...

Yeah, that's the mother of all double standards isn't it? People who say that they can't understand something but insisting that they understand that it's a choice that people make? WTF?

[The Senator]

To be honest I don't see why so many people are poking fun at Palin for believing Dinosaurs and humans roamed the Earth together. I am a Christian so speaking from that view point God created the Earth and man in 6 days which meant that Dinosaurs and humans did roam the earth at the same time now do I think they interacted with one another? Yes up until the fall of man; and it was actually spoke upon in the bible in Job 40:15-24. If you believe in God's word and believe that God created the Earth and all its inhabitants(man and animals) in 6 days then you will believe that Dinosaurs and humans lived during the same time periods and also that the earth is roughly about 6,000 years old.

...

It's called "her religious beliefs go against scientific evidence and studies which say that the earth is billions of years old, and dinosaurs and men never walked the earth at the same time."

She can be faithful, but if she's going to believe something which is scientifically false, then I don't see why anyone should have to take her seriously.

[The Senator]

She also pointed out that she believes homosexuality is a choice. :whatever:

She also said "nukaler" instead of "nuclear." She's not the brightest bulb in the room.

[BlackLantern]

She also said "nukaler" instead of "nuclear." She's not the brightest bulb in the room.

That aside....I'd do 'er

[That-Guy]

She also said "nukaler" instead of "nuclear." She's not the brightest bulb in the room.

http://www.wheredyougetthatshirt.com/images/Politics/pic_nucular.jpg

Nothing says four more years quite like it...

[jaguarr]

http://www.wheredyougetthatshirt.com/images/Politics/pic_nucular.jpg

Nothing says four more years quite like it...

Good to see you around, bro! :up:

jag

[That-Guy]

That aside....I'd do 'er

Please. That's part of the reason so many idiots like her. To put it in terms that everyone on this board can relate to, Sarah Palin's potential vice-presidency is to politics what Halle Berry's Catwoman was to superhero films:

"Sure it'll be a pile of crap... but she's HOT!!!"

[That-Guy]

Good to see you around, bro! :up:

jag

You too, man! Glad we see eye-to-eye on this issue, too.

[jaguarr]

You too, man! Glad we see eye-to-eye on this issue, too.

Please. That's part of the reason so many idiots like her. To put it in terms that everyone on this board can relate to, Sarah Palin's potential vice-presidency is to politics what Halle Berry's Catwoman was to superhero films:

"Sure it'll be a pile of crap... but she's HOT!!!"

:lmao: Indeed, your analogy is fitting. :D

jag

[spideyboy_1111]

...

It's called "her religious beliefs go against scientific evidence and studies which say that the earth is billions of years old, and dinosaurs and men never walked the earth at the same time."

She can be faithful, but if she's going to believe something which is scientifically false, then I don't see why anyone should have to take her seriously.

I DO BELIEVE IN FAIRIES! I DO I DO

COME ON EVERYONE! SING IT WITH ME!

I DO BELIEVE IN FAIRIES I DO I DO!









what... if Palin can put all her faith in one hand and defy logic, so can't us all :o

[BlackLantern]

Please. That's part of the reason so many idiots like her. To put it in terms that everyone on this board can relate to, Sarah Palin's potential vice-presidency is to politics what Halle Berry's Catwoman was to superhero films:

"Sure it'll be a pile of crap... but she's HOT!!!"

That cinematic abortion did not receive one cent from me....I wouldn't vote for Palin if you paid me ALOT...

[Superman]

Oh I read my my Bible and if you keep reading the first chapter of Genesis it clearly states that God did all of this in 6 days.
001:031 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was
very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

As I said before you may not believe everything in the bible happened. For example you may not believe that Red Sea parted or you may not believe the story of Noah's ark or you may not believe in the works of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. But I believe in them and I do believe that man and dinosaur shared the Earth together now if you believe different then that's you.
Can I ask you how old you are?:huh:

[That-Guy]

That cinematic abortion did not receive one cent from me....I wouldn't vote for Palin if you paid me ALOT...

Amen to that.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Can I ask you how old you are?:huh:28 years old

[USMC]

Don't sweat him, Supes... I was just like that for a time in my life...

:o

[kane9321]

That aside....I'd do 'er

ditto bro

[Lightning Strykez!]

Please. That's part of the reason so many idiots like her. To put it in terms that everyone on this board can relate to, Sarah Palin's potential vice-presidency is to politics what Halle Berry's Catwoman was to superhero films:

"Sure it'll be a pile of crap... but she's HOT!!!"

That was a brilliant analogy. She's the Republican Catwoman! :mad::up:

And Jag's ever-mewing ass should appreciate this, considering how much he loved that film. Hell, he even chose his Hype screen name after it.

[Hobgoblin]

ditto bro

Yes yes, we would all "do her." Lets instead talk about the ramifications of the bailout being passed into law.

[Superman]

28 years old

Don't sweat him, Supes... I was just like that for a time in my life...

:oYeah but you got over it. :cwink:

I wasn't going to bash him anyway, I just wanted to know how old he was.:yay:

[The Senator]

Yes yes, we would all "do her." Lets instead talk about the ramifications of the bailout being passed into law.

I wouldn't :huh:

[jaguarr]

That was a brilliant analogy. She's the Republican Catwoman! :mad::up:

And Jag's ever-mewing ass should appreciate this, considering how much he loved that film. Hell, he even chose his Hype screen name after it.

What!? Hell no! :cmad:

jag

[Superman]

I wouldn't :huh: :lmao:

[Lightning Strykez!]

I wouldn't :huh:

:lmao: !!!!!

Yeah, I wouldn't either. Well, 50% of me wouldn't anyway. :dry:

[USMC]

Yeah but you got over it. :cwink:

I wasn't going to bash him anyway, I just wanted to know how old he was.:yay:

I wasnt either, I was just going to point out that I believe the overwhelming MAJORITY of bible-thumpers eventually fall away from their religion in some way, shape, or form.

Religion is cyclical with most people.

[BlackLantern]

I wouldn't :huh:

I would...angrily...and then kick her out and throw cab fare at her...in change

[USMC]

:lmao: !!!!!

Yeah, I wouldn't either. Well, 50% of me wouldn't anyway. :dry:

the bottom half... ?:huh:

[Lightning Strykez!]

the bottom half... ?:huh:

Well, certainly not the top half! :eek:

I don't eat moose. :dry:

[Superman]

Well, certainly not the top half. I don't eat moose. :dry: :lmao:

[EdRyder]

I'd Do 'er just for the opportunity to demonstrate the benefits of early withdrawal.

[Superman]

I'd Do 'er just for the opportunity to demonstrate the benefits of early withdrawal.Well I can tell you from personal experience that early withdrawal doesn't always work. :csad:

[jaguarr]

I'd Do 'er just for the opportunity to demonstrate the benefits of early withdrawal.

All I would need is about 100 yards of nautical rope, a ball gag and three rattan canes (because I am sure I would break at least two of them over her soccer mom ass).

jag

[USMC]

Well, certainly not the top half! :eek:

I don't eat moose. :dry:


Me neither... though I did try it once and I must say...

:barf:

[Hobgoblin]

I wouldn't :huh:

Well, I mean...you know....those of us that are into that sort of thing...no offense, I mean...we would....:o

....

But yeah, she's hot. :hehe:

[Superman]

Me neither... though I did try it once and I must say...

:barf:You just need to meet the "Right Woman". :cwink::oldrazz::hehe:

[Lightning Strykez!]

I'd Do 'er just for the opportunity to demonstrate the benefits of early withdrawal.

..................:dry:

The glasses are not even prescriptioned dude.

[jaguarr]

Moose can be rather gamey unless it's cleaned and prepared properly.

What are we talking about at this point? :huh:

jag

[USMC]

You just need to meet the "Right Woman". :cwink::oldrazz::hehe:


That's what wigs and heels are for, Supes. :cwink:

[BlackLantern]

we were talking about Sarah Palin being the recipient of some angry love at the hands of BL....and how this bailout is stupid

[USMC]

Moose can be rather gamey unless it's cleaned and prepared properly.

What are we talking about at this point? :huh:

jag

Either our next VP, vaginas, or actual moose...

:huh:

[jaguarr]

Either our next VP, vaginas, or actual moose...

:huh:

I'm going with "D: All Of The Above". :o (Although, I don't think she's our next VP. I think she's just a political punchline for the next couple of decades once this election is over).

jag

[Lightning Strykez!]

Well I can tell you from personal experience that early withdrawal doesn't always work. :csad:

The surge is always successful though. Also.

[Superman]

That's what wigs and heels are for, Supes. :cwink:"Thanks for everything Julie Newmar" kinda thing huh? :cwink::oldrazz::woot:

[USMC]

"Thanks for everything Julie Newmar" kinda thing huh? :cwink::oldrazz::woot:

Ok, just to clear it up for anyone else here... I like dong, and in no way, shape, or form am I into cross-dressers, trannies, or transsexuals.

Just so we're clear. :o

[Lightning Strykez!]

Moose can be rather gamey unless it's cleaned and prepared properly.

What are we talking about at this point? :huh:

jag

I'M talking about eating hairy animals from the great state of Alaska. YOU guys are talking about Sarah's Moosy I think. And Jag apparently thinks its gamey. :eek: Ya darn freaks.

USMC started it. *points*

[Superman]

Ok, just to clear it up for anyone else here... I like dong, and in no way, shape, or form am I into cross-dressers, trannies, or transsexuals.

Just so we're clear. :o:lmao: !!!!!

[jaguarr]

All I know is that, after today's discussion, the next time I see someone refer to Palin as "Ms. Moosemuffin" (and I have seen this term used in the press, mind you), I am going to be twice as amused.

jag

[BlackLantern]

Ok, just to clear it up for anyone else here... I like dong, and in no way, shape, or form am I into cross-dressers, trannies, or transsexuals.

Just so we're clear. :o

I think I get it now....no, not that way......I understand what is being said....

[Lightning Strykez!]

Ok, just to clear it up for anyone else here... I like dong, and in no way, shape, or form am I into cross-dressers, trannies, or transsexuals.

Just so we're clear. :o

At first glance I thought you said "I like dung" and I was like, "OMFG, logging off now." :dry:

But thanks for the clarification. Glad to see some of us are thinking the same way about Moose.

[jaguarr]

Ok, just to clear it up for anyone else here... I like dong, and in no way, shape, or form am I into cross-dressers, trannies, or transsexuals.

Just so we're clear. :o

Whatever. What size pump do you wear? :hehe:

jag

[Lightning Strykez!]

Whatever. What size pump do you wear?

jag

*spits coke*


:lmao:

[USMC]

Whatever. What size pump do you wear? :hehe:

jag

10 and a half... :csad:

[jaguarr]

10 and a half... :csad:

:funny:

jag

[Lightning Strykez!]

10 and a half... :csad:

:whatever:

No one likes a braggart.

[USMC]

:whatever:

No one likes a braggart.

Shoe size, man... shoe size.

God, if only....:o

[BlackLantern]

Shoe size, man... shoe size.

God, if only....:o

As I am a black man....it's like a babys arm holding an apple....

anyway...Bailout is stupid and its basically a bandaid on a mutilated and gangrenous leg

[Lightning Strykez!]

As I am a black man....it's like a babys arm holding an apple....



I'd say something here but I'd probably get probated for it...which would be the first time an ex-moderator was ever banned so...I'll refrain. LOL

[terry78]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/03/nailin-paylin-hustlers-pa_n_131581.html

And here comes the porn flick jag mentioned before.

On a serious note, I was sexually violated by Ms. Palin after the debate....I woke up, my ass was sore, and I smelled of mooseburgers and cheap gin. :csad:

[rdh007]

Ok, just to clear it up for anyone else here... I like dong, and in no way, shape, or form am I into cross-dressers, trannies, or transsexuals.

Just so we're clear. :o

Crystal

[jaguarr]

Crystal


Is that the name he goes by when he's dressed up in his size 10.5 pumps? :hehe:

jag

[Gilpesh]

To be honest I don't see why so many people are poking fun at Palin for believing Dinosaurs and humans roamed the Earth together. I am a Christian so speaking from that view point God created the Earth and man in 6 days which meant that Dinosaurs and humans did roam the earth at the same time now do I think they interacted with one another? Yes up until the fall of man; and it was actually spoke upon in the bible in Job 40:15-24. If you believe in God's word and believe that God created the Earth and all its inhabitants(man and animals) in 6 days then you will believe that Dinosaurs and humans lived during the same time periods and also that the earth is roughly about 6,000 years old.

I've posted this before.... now here it is for its return visit!


http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b147/gilpeshfreeman/Stupid%20Comics/BibleHistory.jpg

[kane9321]

10 and a half... :csad:

:csad:

[BlackLantern]

I'd say something here but I'd probably get probated for it...which would be the first time an ex-moderator was ever banned so...I'll refrain. LOL

You can PM it to me...I could use the laugh

[kane9321]

jesus...smacking a dinosaur..wow..i've seen everything now

[Fading]

At first glance I thought you said "I like dung" and I was like, "OMFG, logging off now." :dry:



2 VP's 1 cup?



Seems I missed out on a funny conversation heh. This last page has me curious and makes me want to read the last few pages, yet another part of me sees tranny talk and is saying, "It's probably better if you don't".

[Superman]

To be honest I don't see why so many people are poking fun at Palin for believing Dinosaurs and humans roamed the Earth together. I am a Christian so speaking from that view point God created the Earth and man in 6 days which meant that Dinosaurs and humans did roam the earth at the same time now do I think they interacted with one another? Yes up until the fall of man; and it was actually spoke upon in the bible in Job 40:15-24. If you believe in God's word and believe that God created the Earth and all its inhabitants(man and animals) in 6 days then you will believe that Dinosaurs and humans lived during the same time periods and also that the earth is roughly about 6,000 years old.

....


There is no smilie to express how I feel about this post. It's just so.... Wow. I think the new Hype smiley will work well enough for this...

:facepalm

[spideyboy_1111]

jesus...smacking a dinosaur..wow..i've seen everything now

Dino's were horses for jesus... i thought everyone knew that :whatever:

[Lightning Strykez!]

2 VP's 1 cup?



Seems I missed out on a funny conversation heh. This last page has me curious and makes me want to read the last few pages, yet another part of me sees tranny talk and is saying, "It's probably better if you don't".

LMAO...

Trust me, no one here has any love for trannies...so far as I know. Jag is the only one with a fetish for spotted cats and high-heeled pumps, but he's basically harmless. :whatever:

[RockSP]

Sarah Palin flow chart:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3091/2909496470_d751e8a3dc.jpg?v=0

:D :D

Heh heh. Glad I checked...I was just about to post this...

[RockSP]

then that is all valid Jag because that is part of her beliefs as well. I mean I know you guys don't care to much for her and don't think she is fit to run and I agree but I think her religion should not be a problem. I mean for example if Obama was a Muslim should he not run because of what he believes in and what his faith did to our country or should a man who does not believe in God altogether not even run because he thinks all people that do believe in God is crazy.

You can't be serious with that statement...

[comicgirl]

So has anyone bothered pointing out to Palin that ME, VT, NH, MA and CT state capitals are closer to Moscow than Juneau? Does that mean Howard Dean has better foreign policy credentials than Sarah Palin?
:word::grin:

[comicgirl]

Alaskans Speak (In A Frightened Whisper): Palin Is “Racist, Sexist, Vindictive, And Mean”


“So Sambo beat the *****!”

This is how Republican Vice Presidential nominee Sarah Palin described Barack Obama’s win over Hillary Clinton to political colleagues in a restaurant a few days after Obama locked up the Democratic Party presidential nomination.

http://www.laprogressive.com/2008/09/05/alaskans-speak-in-a-frightened-whisper-palin-is-%E2%80%9Cracist-sexist-vindictive-and-mean%E2%80%9D/.....ok

[Superman]

The best "Worst Person in the World" yet.

Watch the #1 worst...
AY7Sm-qyhJ0

I don't think that was "Starbursts" ricocheting around his living room. :lmao:

[Gilpesh]

Yeah... watched that earlier. Man... why do we need to know that he was fap fap fap fap-ing during the debate?

[The Senator]

The best "Worst Person in the World" yet.

Watch the #1 worst...
AY7Sm-qyhJ0

:lmao:

:lmao:

I'm not the biggest fan of Keith Olbermann, but that was golden.

[Alex The Great]

Alaskans Speak (In A Frightened Whisper): Palin Is “Racist, Sexist, Vindictive, And Mean”


“So Sambo beat the *****!”

This is how Republican Vice Presidential nominee Sarah Palin described Barack Obama’s win over Hillary Clinton to political colleagues in a restaurant a few days after Obama locked up the Democratic Party presidential nomination.

http://www.laprogressive.com/2008/09/05/alaskans-speak-in-a-frightened-whisper-palin-is-%E2%80%9Cracist-sexist-vindictive-and-mean%E2%80%9D/.....ok
How did she get this job again? :huh:

[spideyboy_1111]

How did she get this job again? :huh:

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/6bda020b0f

thats how

[Alex The Great]

God I hate her

[Gilpesh]

How did she get this job again? :huh:

Well... the article is very biased and very vague on sources. Unless people come out and actually say they saw her and they were there when she did.... it's about as credible as that 'Bat-boy saving the world at the last minute from the reverse were-wolves and skinless Frankensteins' story from the tabloids.

[gap5ewl]

The best "Worst Person in the World" yet.

Watch the #1 worst...
AY7Sm-qyhJ0

I don't think that was "Starbursts" ricocheting around his living room. :lmao:


I was rolling when I saw that hahaha.

[UA-Archangel]

How did she get this job again? :huh:

Do you really think that, assuming she really was a racist, that she'd really denigrate anybody publicly knowing that it would get public attention.

I think you've been shnookered.

[RockSP]

Do you really think that, assuming she really was a racist, that she'd really denigrate anybody publicly knowing that it would get public attention.

Yes.

Also, Obama is really a secret muslim terrorist.

[UA-Archangel]

Yes.

Also, Obama is really a secret muslim terrorist.

It's a pretty good secret if he is.

[ShadowBoxing]

Alaskans Speak (In A Frightened Whisper): Palin Is “Racist, Sexist, Vindictive, And Mean”


“So Sambo beat the *****!”

This is how Republican Vice Presidential nominee Sarah Palin described Barack Obama’s win over Hillary Clinton to political colleagues in a restaurant a few days after Obama locked up the Democratic Party presidential nomination.

http://www.laprogressive.com/2008/09/05/alaskans-speak-in-a-frightened-whisper-palin-is-%E2%80%9Cracist-sexist-vindictive-and-mean%E2%80%9D/.....ok
It's funny, because if it's true it's extremely sexist on top of being racist.

[RockSP]

It's a pretty good secret if he is.

Nuh-uh. Ask any... shall we say... "scarlet nape" person and they'll tell you the same.

[Mr Sparkle]

Do you really think that, assuming she really was a racist, that she'd really denigrate anybody publicly knowing that it would get public attention.

I think you've been shnookered.

Macaca:huh::huh::huh::huh:

[The Senator]

Do you really think that, assuming she really was a racist, that she'd really denigrate anybody publicly knowing that it would get public attention.

I think you've been shnookered.

:lmao:

My oh my, someone hasn't been paying attention to U.S. politics for very long.

[UA-Archangel]

:lmao:

My oh my, someone hasn't been paying attention to U.S. politics for very long.

When you show me a video with her showing the kind of attitude that you believe she does, than perhaps.

Otherwise it's called slander.

[Marx]

PALIN DISAGREES WITH MCCAIN'S MICHIGAN DECISION
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/03/palin-disagrees-with-mccains-michigan-decision/

[The Senator]

When you show me a video with her showing the kind of attitude that you believe she does, than perhaps.

Otherwise it's called slander.

Oh Please.

I'm not agreeing with the claims that these people have made about her being racist, considering I haven't read it from a mainstream news source or seen a video of it.

However, I am laughing at your assertion that she wouldn't say such claims publicly.

As Sparkle pointed out... doesn't the "Macaca" incident ring a bell? :huh:

You should know these things...

[UA-Archangel]

Oh Please.

I'm not agreeing with the claims that these people have made about her being racist, considering I haven't read it from a mainstream news source or seen a video of it.

However, I am laughing at your assertion that she wouldn't say such claims publicly.

As Sparkle pointed out... doesn't the "Macaca" incident ring a bell? :huh:

You should know these things...

I've heard about Senator George Allen and his idiotic remark. However, most politicians are smarter than that and wouldn't let a comment like that slip from their lips in a public fashion.

[The Senator]

I've heard about Senator George Allen and his idiotic remark. However, most politicians are smarter than that and wouldn't let a comment like that slip from their lips in a public fashion.

George Allen is a pretty smart guy and quite articulate. The fact that he let it slip out of his mouth proves that it can happen to anyone.

[UA-Archangel]

George Allen is a pretty smart guy and quite articulate. The fact that he let it slip out of his mouth proves that it can happen to anyone.

I agree it can happen with anybody, when it's in their house or in the privacy of office, where you have reasonable expectation of it not going anywhere. But it takes a bit of stupidity to have done it in such a public fashion.

[The Senator]

I agree it can happen with anybody, when it's in their house or in the privacy of office, where you have reasonable expectation of it not going anywhere. But it takes a bit of stupidity to have done it in such a public fashion.

Well Palin isn't necessarily the brightest lamp post on the street, so who knows.

[Marx]

Well Palin isn't necessarily the brightest lamp post on the street, so who knows.

I think it goes a little beyond the street. :oldrazz:

[jaguarr]

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/04/opinion/04herbert.html?hp

October 4, 2008
Op-Ed Columnist
Palin’s Alternate Universe
By BOB HERBERT

Sarah Palin is the perfect exclamation point to the Bush years.

We’ve lived through nearly two terms of an administration that believed it could create its own reality:

“Deficits don’t matter.” “Brownie, you’re doing a heckuva job.” “Those weapons of mass destruction must be somewhere.”

Now comes Ms. Palin, a smiling, bubbly vice-presidential candidate who travels in an alternate language universe. For Ms. Palin, such things as context, syntax and the proximity of answers to questions have no meaning.

In her closing remarks at the vice-presidential debate Thursday night, Ms. Palin referred earnestly, if loosely, to a quote from Ronald Reagan. He had warned that if Americans weren’t vigilant in protecting their freedom, they would find themselves spending their “sunset years telling our children and our children’s children what it was like in America when men were free.”

What Ms. Palin didn’t say was that the menace to freedom that Reagan was talking about was Medicare. As the historian Robert Dallek has pointed out, Reagan “saw Medicare as the advance wave of socialism, which would ‘invade every area of freedom in this country.’ ”

Does Ms. Palin agree with that Looney Tunes notion? Or was this just another case of the aw-shucks, darn-right, I’m-just-a-hockey-mom governor of Alaska mouthing something completely devoid of meaning?

Here’s Ms. Palin during the debate: “Say it ain’t so, Joe! There you go pointing backwards again ... Now, doggone it, let’s look ahead and tell Americans what we have to plan to do for them in the future. You mentioned education, and I’m glad you did. I know education you are passionate about with your wife being a teacher for 30 years, and God bless her. Her reward is in heaven, right?”

If Governor Palin didn’t like a question, or didn’t know the answer, she responded as though some other question had been asked. She made no bones about this, saying early in the debate: “I may not answer the questions the way that either the moderator or you want to hear.”

The problem with Ms. Palin’s candidacy is that John McCain might actually win this election, and then if something terrible happened, the country could be left with little more than an exclamation point as president.

After Ms. Palin had woven one of her particularly impenetrable linguistic webs, Joe Biden turned to the debate’s moderator, Gwen Ifill, and said: “Gwen, I don’t know where to start.”

Of course he didn’t know where to start because Ms. Palin’s words don’t mean anything. She’s all punctuation.

This is such a serious moment in American history that it’s hard to believe that someone with Ms. Palin’s limited skills could possibly be playing a leadership role. On the day before the debate, the commander of NATO forces in Afghanistan, Gen. David McKiernan, made an urgent appeal for more troops, saying the additional “boots on the ground,” as well as more helicopters and other vital equipment, were “needed as quickly as possible.”

The morning after the debate, the Labor Department announced that the employment situation in the U.S. had deteriorated even more than experts had expected. The nation lost nearly 160,000 jobs in September, more than double the monthly losses in July and August.

Conditions are probably worse than even those numbers indicate because the government’s statistics do not yet reflect the response of employers to the credit crisis that has taken such a hold in the last few weeks.

Where is the evidence that Governor Palin even understands these complex and enormously challenging problems? During the debate she twice referred to General McKiernan as “McClellan.” Neither Ms. Ifill nor Senator Biden corrected her.

But after Senator Biden suggested that John McCain’s answer to the nation’s energy problems was to “drill, drill, drill,” Ms. Palin promptly pointed out, as if scoring a point, that “the chant is ‘Drill, baby, drill!’ ”

How’s that for perspective? The credit markets are frozen. Our top general in Afghanistan is dialing 911. Americans are losing jobs by the scores of thousands. And Sarah Palin is making sure we know that the chant is “drill, baby, drill!” not “drill, drill, drill.”

John McCain has spent most of his adult life speaking of his love for his country. Maybe he sees something in Sarah Palin that most Americans do not. Maybe he is aware of qualities that lead him to believe she’d be as steady as Franklin Roosevelt in guiding the U.S. through a prolonged economic downturn. Maybe she’d be as wise and prudent in a national emergency as John Kennedy was during the Cuban missile crisis.

Maybe Senator McCain has reason to believe that it would not be the most colossal of errors to put Ms. Palin a heartbeat away from the presidency.

He’s got just four weeks to share that insight with the rest of us.

jag

[bunk]

Countdown compares the debate performances of Governors Bush and Palin...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#27015517

[Shifty]

Countdown compares the debate performances of Governors Bush and Palin...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#27015517

Doing the Daily Show's job minus Stewart yelling.

[Gilpesh]

I've heard about Senator George Allen and his idiotic remark. However, most politicians are smarter than that and wouldn't let a comment like that slip from their lips in a public fashion.

Hell, this was probably even before she was looked at and had that magical meeting with McCain where the disney movie version of a rise to Washington began... if it even happened. So she really had no reason to even care... if it even happened.

[Superman4ever]

The best "Worst Person in the World" yet.

Watch the #1 worst...
AY7Sm-qyhJ0

I don't think that was "Starbursts" ricocheting around his living room. :lmao:

Fantastic. :applaud:applaud

[Ocramed]

And O'Reilly's ratings are still better than Olbermann's. :hoboj:

Thank god for the far-right being a potent presence in Americana. There are too many leftest who wants the United States to be like Europe: weak and without "balls".

[Carcharodon]

And O'Reilly's ratings are still better than Olbermann's. :hoboj:

Thank god for the far-right being a potent presence in Americana. There are too many leftest who wants the United States to be like Europe: weak and without "balls".Yeah, because having a right-wing administration in power the past 8 years has done SO MUCH GOOD for our country, right?

:whatever:

[BlackLantern]

My feelings about O'Reilly aside...the Fox News primetime lineup does between 1.7 and 1.9 million viewers nightly as opposed to CNN who average about 750,000 and MSNBC who do about 450 or 500 K

[jaguarr]

Yeah, because having a right-wing administration in power the past 8 years has done SO MUCH GOOD for our country, right?

:whatever:

The actions of the present administration have quite arguably left the United States so financially crippled and resource depleted in every way including on a military basis that we are actually in a very vulnerable and impotent position should another country with enough resources and dollars to do it decided to attack us on our home soil. Our foreign policy the last several years has also created more enemies than we used to have and alienated many of our allies. Our economy is falling apart in large part due to the Bush Administration's fiscal policies and the Republican's stances on regulation of industry, also leaving us very ineffectual and vulnerable in the world market. So, who is it again that wants America to be "weak and without balls", again? Because from where I sit we've already been neutered by the very people Ocramed is supporting. Way to go. :up:

jag

[Addendum]

My feelings about O'Reilly aside...the Fox News primetime lineup does between 1.7 and 1.9 million viewers nightly...

And they still can't top Monday Night Football or the WWF

[gap5ewl]

And O'Reilly's ratings are still better than Olbermann's. :hoboj:

Thank god for the far-right being a potent presence in Americana. There are too many leftest who wants the United States to be like Europe: weak and without "balls".
Oh god there can not be a bigger eye role face on here.:whatever::whatever::whatever:

[Marx]

ALASKA SUPREME COURT TAKES UP 'TROOPERGATE' CASE
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/04/alaska-supreme-court-take_n_131869.html

[Hobgoblin]

And O'Reilly's ratings are still better than Olbermann's. :hoboj:

Thank god for the far-right being a potent presence in Americana. There are too many leftest who wants the United States to be like Europe: weak and without "balls".

Sir, I just want to take a moment to thank you for making this point. I've been waiting for someone to do it. It lets me remind them of this little fact:

In 1983, Mr Perfect, Ronald Reagan, pulled the marines out of Lebanon after the barracks bombing. Later, he invaded the tiny Caribbean island of Granada. Is that how the Republican Party shows it has balls? Take soldiers out of a dangerous area and attack a tiny island?

Or GWB, who told us that Iraq had WMD. Of course, they didnt. Now Iran? North Korea? States that are actively pursuing nuclear weapons? Heck, no! They might fight back!

[souvlaki]

And when all else fails, say Obama "pals around with terrorists".

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1008/McCain_camp_Obama_is_radical_pals_around_with_terr orists.html

[souvlaki]

On the bright side, I guess it's good to know that Palin actually reads.

[Captain Planet!]

I think I actually hate Sarah Palin. There are few people I really hate, but she may be one of them.

[BlackLantern]

I don't hate her...I just see her as a car wreck waiting to happen....she's not worth the time to hate

[StrainedEyes]

And when all else fails, say Obama "pals around with terrorists".

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1008/McCain_camp_Obama_is_radical_pals_around_with_terr orists.html

Again, she just found out about this... today... and through newspapers. Gee, it's not like her campaign has been poking at this for awhile now. How out of the loop is this woman?

[The Senator]

Sarah Palin shouldn't be one to talk about the connections her opponents have, considering she was endorsed by Ted Stevens who actively campaigned for her. Oh, and let's not forget the fact that her husband belonged to the Alaskan Independence Party, which actively pursues the secession of Alaska from United States. The latter sounds really patriotic to me, definitely like someone who puts "country first." :whatever:

[souvlaki]

Sarah Palin shouldn't be one to talk about the connections her opponents have, considering she was endorsed by Ted Stevens who actively campaigned for her. Oh, and let's not forget the fact that her husband belonged to the Alaskan Independence Party, which actively pursues the secession of Alaska from United States. The latter sounds really patriotic to me, definitely like someone who puts "country first." :whatever:

Yeah, this just screams desperation mode to me. It didn't work before, so they are bringing Ayers and Rezko back in hopes that people will actually give a crap this time. But really, Palin is the last person on Earth to bring up personal connections to shady people/organizations. It's not going to work, no one that will vote for Obama cares anyhow, and the only thing this will accomplish is it will make McCain look even more desperate.

[sasquatchs]

I chuckled at this bit from Palin:

according to the New York Times, and they are hardly ever wrong

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/10/04/palin-obama-is-palling-around-with-terrorists/

Funny how the McCain campaign now regards the NYT as the bastion of journalistic integrity

[redfirebird2008]

Sarah Palin shouldn't be one to talk about the connections her opponents have, considering she was endorsed by Ted Stevens who actively campaigned for her. Oh, and let's not forget the fact that her husband belonged to the Alaskan Independence Party, which actively pursues the secession of Alaska from United States. The latter sounds really patriotic to me, definitely like someone who puts "country first." :whatever:

I think it's time to take the gloves off. Obama has been very gracious to this woman and now she's attacking his patriotism. Time to tell "Joe Six Pack" just how weird the Palins are. The AIP is just as unpatriotic as the Weather Underground. The difference? Obama wasn't the one actively involved in the organization whereas the Palins actually were/are involved in the AIP. Sarah addressed their 2008 convention.

[LostSon88]

I gotta admit though..I may not like her very much but that eye wink she did after every single generic statement she made during the debate...

Was kinda sexy. :word:

[Visionary]

Now, if only she can make her moose size caboose wink, that'll be perfect.

[gap5ewl]

I gotta admit though..I may not like her very much but that eye wink she did after every single generic statement she made during the debate...

Was kinda sexy. :word:

Ohh yeah I stood up a little straighter in my couch when she did that. :hehe:

[The Senator]

You know, I don't read Daily Kos for its content, considering it is a little too liberal for me. But every once and a while I go there, and come across gems such as this:

http://images.dailykos.com/images/user/3/electiontrains.jpg

[ShadowBoxing]

Thomas the Tank Engine....NooooOOOooooOOOooooooooOOOooooo.

[gap5ewl]

You know, I don't read Daily Kos for its content, considering it is a little too liberal for me. But every once and a while I go there, and come across gems such as this:

http://images.dailykos.com/images/user/3/electiontrains.jpg

:lmao::lmao::applaud

[Matt]

Is anyone watching SNL? Their spoof of the debate is amazing.

"Ifill: How do you feel about gay marriage Governor Palin?

Palin: I'd be very concerned about where that would lead. I believe marriage should be a sacred institution between two unwilling teenagers."

"Oh, and for you joe six packs playing a drinking game at home...maverick."

:lmao: SNL really comes on form in election year (unfortunately, it will go right back to being crap as soon as this is over).

[StrainedEyes]

Is anyone watching SNL? Their spoof of the debate is amazing.

"Ifill: How do you feel about gay marriage Governor Palin?

Palin: I'd be very concerned about where that would lead. I believe marriage should be a sacred institution between two unwilling teenagers."

"Oh, and for you joe six packs playing a drinking game at home...maverick."

:lmao: SNL really comes on form in election year (unfortunately, it will go right back to being crap as soon as this is over).

And.... you're right. What an awful show.

I'd love to see the ratings for SNL and how they drop significantly after the opening sketch.

[Matt]

I just can't believe they went as far as the "Marriage should be a sacred institution between two unwilling teenagers," line. SNL usually doesn't take shots THAT personal.

[Shifty]

I just can't believe they went as far as the "Marriage should be a sacred institution between two unwilling teenagers," line. SNL usually doesn't take shots THAT personal.

Did you see Fey's eyes when she said it? She enjoyed that.

Looks like there is another political sketch coming.

[bunk]

Argh! I came in right after the debate clip.

[StrainedEyes]

Haha yeah, that got a big reaction.

[gap5ewl]

I have to wait three more hours for it to air. damn

[Gilpesh]

Tina Fey is what Palin would be if she actually had ANY substance whatsoever....

[StrainedEyes]

Man, do they like hire freelance writers for the Tina Fey sketches or something? Everything else is terrible.

[Gilpesh]

Geo, I think she writes em.... proving how awesome she is and 30 Rock is also.

[Shifty]

Man, do they like hire freelance writers for the Tina Fey sketches or something? Everything else is terrible.

Jim Downey usually just handles the political sketches.

They need more Barney Frank.

[StrainedEyes]

Geo, I think she writes em.... proving how awesome she is and 30 Rock is also.

She is awesome.

[Matt]

Did you see Fey's eyes when she said it? She enjoyed that.

Looks like there is another political sketch coming.

This one's pretty funny.

"I had everything you need for a mortgage loan, bad credit, a criminal record, a dishonorable discharge from the military, a pregnant....two pregnant girlfriends."

"So you can't make your mortgage payment?"
"Not without selling the yacht."

[BobJM]

I support Sarah Palin and John McCain for the Oval Office.

She's a breath of fresh air. And anyone who wants to bring up the inexperience argument should look no further than Obama.

[Gilpesh]

Bob... that was the funniest thing I have read all day. Thank you.

[Exploding Boy]

That was the stupidest thing I've read all day.

[Matt]

Guys...respectful of other opinions, please.

[BobJM]

I'm not really following...what's funny?
The comment that Obama is inexperienced in DC or that I support the McCain / Palin ticket?

I mean, honestly, what did u expect to hear in a Sarah Palin thread?

[Gilpesh]

Sorry Matty... :csad:



But somehow thinking Palin's beauty queen title, PTA time, and etc. equals Obama's experience (which there isn't much of...) is silly and should be pointed out as such.

[Marx]

You know, I don't read Daily Kos for its content, considering it is a little too liberal for me. But every once and a while I go there, and come across gems such as this:

http://images.dailykos.com/images/user/3/electiontrains.jpg

:lmao:

[StrainedEyes]

I'm not really following...what's funny?
The comment that Obama is inexperienced in DC or that I support the McCain / Palin ticket?

I mean, honestly, what did u expect to hear in a Sarah Palin thread?

Well, if you'd read through a few pages, you'd see that the Sarah Palin thread mainly consists of mocking her.