The Sarah Palin Thread (You can see Russia from this thread)

[ShadowBoxing]

Oh, boy. This could actually undo Palin. Nice testimony Todd! You know what? The name Todd is now officially an insult. Way to go, ya friggin' Todd! :hehe:

jag
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[Kelly]

http://www.accesshollywood.com/content/images/76/230x306/76741_sarah-palin-on-the-cover-of-newsweek.jpg

The latest McCain campaign complaint... HOW DARE NEWSWEEK NOT AIRBRUSH A PICTURE OF PALIN.

Yes, there are actually people complaining that Newsweek didn't airbrush this photo to make Palin look more attractive.

While I think it is stupid to be making the complaints public.....they airbrush on all photos of people.....it is alittle strange that they didn't airbrush this one........................but certainly not something I would outwardly ***** about.....

[ShadowBoxing]

She looks good in the photo for a woman who is 44 years young. I don't really get the complaint at all. What did she wanna look like, Lindsay Lohan?

[Raiden]

While I think it is stupid to be making the complaints public.....they airbrush on all photos of people.....it is alittle strange that they didn't airbrush this one........................but certainly not something I would outwardly ***** about.....

I think it's funny how McCain's camp is making a big deal out of this. It's as if Palin isn't "attractive" enough they'd lose a big component of what makes her popular in the first place. Then again, that's probably the main reason.

[Kelly]

She looks good in the photo for a woman who is 44 years young. I don't really get the complaint at all. What did she wanna look like, Lindsay Lohan?


"for a woman of 44"??????????

*sighs* :cwink:



I agree, she does look good for it not being airbrushed.

But, was she the one complaining?

[Anita18]

While I think it is stupid to be making the complaints public.....they airbrush on all photos of people.....it is alittle strange that they didn't airbrush this one........................but certainly not something I would outwardly ***** about.....
Don't think they do it for politicians. They do airbrush for illustrative cover photos, but Newsweek is not big on airbrushing people when they're actually doing reports on them.

[Prison Mike]

I don't think that pic needs to be airbrushed anyway

[Kelly]

Don't think they do it for politicians. They do airbrush for illustrative cover photos, but Newsweek is not big on airbrushing people when they're actually doing reports on them.\




Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, they airbrush all "people photos"....in areas where it is needed......hell Obama's covers are airbrushed to the "inth" degree. Sorry, but no one's skin is that smooth.....lol


LMAO, besides, why would they "not" airbrush just politicians??????????????????????

[jaguarr]

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Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, they airbrush all "people photos"....in areas where it is needed......hell Obama's covers are airbrushed to the "inth" degree. Sorry, but no one's skin is that smooth.....lol


LMAO, besides, why would they "not" airbrush just politicians??????????????????????

Kel, stop being such a Todd. :whatever:

:oldrazz:

jag

[Kelly]

Kel, stop being such a Todd. :whatever:

:oldrazz:

jag


Fork you.......:oldrazz:

[jaguarr]

Fork you.......:oldrazz:

Hold on....let me limber up a bit. :o

jag

[BlackLantern]

Hold on....let me limber up a bit. :o

jag

Don't Todd it up, jag

[jaguarr]

Don't Todd it up, jag

Thanks for the advice, Todd. :up:

jag

[StrainedEyes]

Tucker Bounds does suck. Carlin was right on.

[The Senator]

The McCain campaign is really complaining about the lack of airbrushing on the Newsweek cover?

Doesn't surprise me. McCain himself spends five thousand dollars on make-up for photo shoots and interviews, so naturally they would expect the same for Palin.

[lazur]

The McCain campaign is really complaining about the lack of airbrushing on the Newsweek cover?

Doesn't surprise me. McCain himself spends five thousand dollars on make-up for photo shoots and interviews, so naturally they would expect the same for Palin.

Since you're an expert, can you let the rest of us know how much a standard make-up artist costs and/or if the $5000 cost is above the norm?

[Gilpesh]

Since you're an expert, can you let the rest of us know how much a standard make-up artist costs and/or if the $5000 cost is above the norm?

Coming from the GOP guy, defending the $5000 makeup job... is pretty hollow. Remember the $400 haircut?

[USMC]

Since you're an expert, can you let the rest of us know how much a standard make-up artist costs and/or if the $5000 cost is above the norm?

You sound annoyed...

strange.

[Marx]

Since you're an expert, can you let the rest of us know how much a standard make-up artist costs and/or if the $5000 cost is above the norm?

Weren't you also the same person who condemned John Edwards for the price of his haircut? :huh:

[The Senator]

Since you're an expert, can you let the rest of us know how much a standard make-up artist costs and/or if the $5000 cost is above the norm?

Pointed remarks such as these will not receive a response from me.

[Anita18]

Weren't you also the same person who condemned John Edwards for the price of his haircut? :huh:
I thought that haircut wasn't worth $50, let alone $400, but...anyway. :funny:

[jaguarr]

You sound annoyed...

strange.

Maybe he gets charged more for his makeup jobs and wants to know where McCain scores such a great deal? :huh:

jag

[Marx]

I thought that haircut wasn't worth $50, let alone $400, but...anyway. :funny:

:hehe:

[lazur]

Coming from the GOP guy, defending the $5000 makeup job... is pretty hollow. Remember the $400 haircut?

I'm hardly a 'GOP guy' but I know that you will call me that because I'm opposed to Obama.

But the question has still not been answered. How can someone make an accusation about an expenditure being over the top if there's no analysis of what that particular service costs on average? All politicians utilize make-up artists, so I'm interested in knowing if the $5000 was a typical amount or if it truly was over the top.

As to the $400 haircut, I can go down to Hair Cuttery and get a haircut for 15 bucks, so OBVIOUSLY 400 is way over the top. However, I've never been made up by a make-up artist and I have no idea how much it would cost. Do you, or do you prefer to just operate by coming to conclusions on a subject you're uninformed about?

[The Senator]

I've worn make-up in my life... and I've never spent over a hundred dollars on it, let alone five grand...

[ShadowBoxing]

As to the $400 haircut, I can go down to Hair Cuttery and get a haircut for 15 bucks, so OBVIOUSLY 400 is way over the top. However, I've never been made up by a make-up artist and I have no idea how much it would cost. Do you, or do you prefer to just operate by coming to conclusions on a subject you're uninformed about?
Correction, you can go down to the Hair Cuttery and get a sh***y haircut for 15 bucks, my haircuts, which are done by a stylist cost about 70-100 bucks a pop, and I'm definitely not getting the full treatment. So for him, I'm not surprised. As for make-up, make-up jobs do NOT tend to cost 5000 dollars. I used to date a photographer, and she didn't charge anywhere near what my haircuts cost to make-up her clients before photographing them.

[Gilpesh]

I'm hardly a 'GOP guy' but I know that you will call me that because I'm opposed to Obama.

No... it's because you judge the GOP by different standards. Standards which favor them. That's what makes you the GOP guy...

But the question has still not been answered. How can someone make an accusation about an expenditure being over the top if there's no analysis of what that particular service costs on average? All politicians utilize make-up artists, so I'm interested in knowing if the $5000 was a typical amount or if it truly was over the top.

Um... women have been doing makeup jobs for ages with much less than $5000 of work...

As to the $400 haircut, I can go down to Hair Cuttery and get a haircut for 15 bucks, so OBVIOUSLY 400 is way over the top. However, I've never been made up by a make-up artist and I have no idea how much it would cost.

You don't spend hours on television each day. And if you do... what's going on Hannity? Your show going good?

Do you, or do you prefer to just operate by coming to conclusions on a subject you're uninformed about?

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/5740/potkettleuy0.jpg

[Raiden]

How can one claim that $400 haircut is absurb, but won't say the same about $5000 makeup? I don't care if you have never had a makeup in your life, but paying $5000 for this service cannot be seen as typical.

[Anita18]

But the question has still not been answered. How can someone make an accusation about an expenditure being over the top if there's no analysis of what that particular service costs on average? All politicians utilize make-up artists, so I'm interested in knowing if the $5000 was a typical amount or if it truly was over the top.
I worked on a film shoot where no one was paid and our makeup artist was effin' amazing. Does that count?

It isn't the fact that they wanted to use an airbrush job or a makeup artist, it's the fact they're complaining about not having one after the fact.

Correction, you can go down to the Hair Cuttery and get a sh***y haircut for 15 bucks, my haircuts, which are done by a stylist cost about 70-100 bucks a pop, and I'm definitely not getting the full treatment. So for him, I'm not surprised.
Goddamn, I've never had a haircut that costs more than $60, and I was underwhelmed by the $60 cut.

My worst haircut was the $7 one I got in Taiwan. The $20 hair-donation cut I'm sporting now is doing me just fine, although it's been growing out and I probably need another soon. Maybe. I'm pretty clueless when it comes to hair.

[Raiden]

The worst haircut I got was $30 I paid to a hair stylist who probably failed at her certification exam. I went there to see the hair stylist who usually does my hair, but he wanted his new employee to do my hair instead. It was so bad, I just told her that she should stop and I paid and got out of there quick. I never seen her again after that debacle, and not long after the saloon moved to a new location.

Anyway, back to topic.

[jaguarr]

The worst haircut I got was $30 I paid to a hair stylist who probably failed at her certification exam. I went there to see the hair stylist who usually does my hair, but he wanted his new employee to do my hair instead. It was so bad, I just told her that she should stop and I paid and got out of there quick. I never seen her again after that debacle, and not long after the saloon moved to a new location.

Anyway, back to topic.

I wouldn't have paid for the haircut.

jag

[Raiden]

I wouldn't have paid for the haircut.

jag

Yeah, I think I should've threw a fit and demanded that they make the haircut free or else. Sometimes I think I should get more angry if I received a terrible service. I guess I'm the anti-McCain in this regard. :funny:

[jaguarr]

Yeah, I think I should've threw a fit and demanded that they make the haircut free or else. Sometimes I think I should get more angry if I received a terrible service. I guess I'm the anti-McCain in this regard. :funny:

You got played for a Todd. :o

jag

[Manic]

Seeing the prices you all pay for your haircuts makes me glad I'm black. Unless you're getting your hair braided or texturized, black barbershops won't charge you more than $20.


The beauty shops for black women will cost you an arm and a leg, though. My mom used to do that for a living.

[jaguarr]

Seeing the prices you all pay for your haircuts makes me glad I'm black. Unless you're getting your hair braided or texturized, black barbershops won't charge you more than $20.


The beauty shops for black women will cost you an arm and a leg, though. My mom used to do that for a living.

My barber still charges $18 for a haircut. Even after I kick in $5 for a tip, she's still a very affordable deal. And she's excellent at what she does. I have very difficult hair to cut because my head is a mess of cowlicks and she somehow makes it all look great. :up: She also does my wife's hair for a very reasonable rate. If people want to be a bunch of Todds and brag about overpaying for haircuts, that's their business, I guess.

jag

[souvlaki]

This thread is making me realize what a smart decision it was for me to keep my hair short. I haven't paid for a haircut in 10 years.

[SuperT]

Has this video already been posted?

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:wow::wow::wow:

[chamber-music]

Seeing the prices you all pay for your haircuts makes me glad I'm black. Unless you're getting your hair braided or texturized, black barbershops won't charge you more than $20.


The beauty shops for black women will cost you an arm and a leg, though. My mom used to do that for a living.

Yeah Testify :applaud

I pay £7 for a hair cut which is about $10

[Anita18]

This thread is making me realize what a smart decision it was for me to keep my hair short. I haven't paid for a haircut in 10 years.
My mom cuts my dad's hair, but doesn't having short hair mean that you have to cut it more often so it doesn't get unruly? My male housemates all get their hair cut once a month, but it's always at the cheap places.

When my hair was past my shoulder, I only had it cut once a year. And then I got it donated. :yay: Apparently women should have their hair cut every 4-6 weeks and I'm like, "In what parallel universe?" :o

I think I'm doing pretty well, though. A lot of people get their hair colored and that's $200 if it's at a salon. Chemical hair straightenings are also a good $500 too. I don't understand women who make that a monthly habit. :wow:

Figures that a thread about a female political candidate eventually drifted to hair talk. But I guess she hasn't committed any gaffes in the past 24 hours. :funny:

[Manic]

Has this video already been posted?

KjxzmaXAg9E

:wow::wow::wow:
Wow. That is disgusting. And scary.

[SuperT]

And here's another one:

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These video's make me want to cry! :csad:

[BlackLantern]

what does the video say...at work can't watch vids

[kane9321]

Oh, boy. This could actually undo Palin. Nice testimony Todd! You know what? The name Todd is now officially an insult. Way to go, ya friggin' Todd! :hehe:

jag


you..you Todd:wow:

[jaguarr]

Has this video already been posted?

KjxzmaXAg9E

:wow::wow::wow:

Like I said about the video from the RNC Bethlehem, PA rally that someone else posted, I see a lot of people running on fear in these videos. They really aren't operating from the viewpoint of the issues, at least the ones that are being included in these videos. They're just buying into the fear factor the McCain Campaign is peddling with no real insight or investigation of their own. This is, of course, McCain's base and if this is the kind of reaction their getting at rallies then I totally get why the McCain Campaign continues to turn up the fear factor and become more and more negative. It will rally their base but all it's done is alienate the independent voters. I saw an article earlier today about how McCain is rapidly losing the independent white female vote because of all this negativity and now answers on how to fix the economy. The "we'll buy your house" thing he came up with has been estimated by analysts as a calculated move to try to appeal to the independent white female voters because keeping their houses is a big issue for them. McCain is flailing and he's entering dangerous territory with this inciting of hate rhetoric.

jag

[kane9321]

Since you're an expert, can you let the rest of us know how much a standard make-up artist costs and/or if the $5000 cost is above the norm?

Why so serious..?

[RockSP]

And here's another one:

VJghQMq49dw

These video's make me want to cry! :csad:

"You're an african-american...why are you voting for John McCain?" :whatever::dry:

I'm no McCainite but the dude with the video camera seems to think all black people will or should automatically vote for Obama...

And the "you have to wear gloves to touch him"...wow.

[kane9321]

cant watch the videos at work...grrrrr

[redfirebird2008]

"The teachings of his father."

LOL, he didn't even know the man. What a joke these people are.

The comment by the little boy, "You have to wear gloves to touch him," is a pretty clear indication of what those people are teaching their children.

[redfirebird2008]

"You're an african-american...why are you voting for John McCain?" :whatever::dry:

I'm no McCainite but the dude with the video camera seems to think all black people will or should automatically vote for Obama...

I agree with you. That was ridiculous. No need to even bring that up. He should have simply kept asking the guy if he believes Obama is a terrorist. I take a "So anyway" answer like he gave to mean that he does believe it and doesn't want to admit it on camera.

[SuperT]

I'm no McCainite but the dude with the video camera seems to think all black people will or should automatically vote for Obama...

I'm not saying you have to vote for Obama if you're black, but it's questionable (I'm Af-Am) on why you're surrounding yourself with clearly, ignorant and racist people like that.

Maybe he's a masochist?!

[kainedamo]

I wish the guy with the camera wouldn't ask such aggressive questions. He can get equally ignorant comments by asking more straightforward questions. He could even pretend to be on their side and get some great quotes from them that way.

[RockSP]

I'm not saying you have to vote for Obama if you're black, but it's questionable (I'm Af-Am) on why you're surrounding yourself with clearly, ignorant and racist people like that.

Maybe he's a masochist?!

That was you with the camera?

[sinewave]

The McCain campaign is really complaining about the lack of airbrushing on the Newsweek cover?

Doesn't surprise me. McCain himself spends five thousand dollars on make-up for photo shoots and interviews, so naturally they would expect the same for Palin.

did anyone else notice the difference in skin color between mccain's face and his scalp under the comb-over in the debate the other night? his face seemed more yellow-ish and his scalp was very pink. no wonder it costs $5K to spackle him up. they should save money and use one of those shotgun makeup dealies that homer simpson invented.

[SuperT]

That was you with the camera?

Oh god no! If it was me out there with that camera, there wouldn't be a video because I'd have punched one of these racist clowns in the face.

[sinewave]

Oh god no! If it was me out there with that camera, there wouldn't be a video because I'd have punched one of these racist clowns in the face.

you and geraldo. :oldrazz:

[Marx]

RFK JR: IF PALIN WANTS TO PLAY 'GUILT BY ASSOCIATION' THEN MEDIA SHOULD DISCUSS HER SECESSIONIST PARTY TIES
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-f-kennedy-jr/alaskan-independence-part_b_133261.html





:applaud

[Raiden]

RFK JR: IF PALIN WANTS TO PLAY 'GUILT BY ASSOCIATION' THEN MEDIA SHOULD DISCUSS HER SECESSIONIST PARTY TIES
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-f-kennedy-jr/alaskan-independence-part_b_133261.html





:applaud

About freakin' time someone brings it up. :up:

[Gilpesh]

:applaud

:lmao::applaud:lmao::applaud:lmao:

[sinewave]

RFK JR: IF PALIN WANTS TO PLAY 'GUILT BY ASSOCIATION' THEN MEDIA SHOULD DISCUSS HER SECESSIONIST PARTY TIES
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-f-kennedy-jr/alaskan-independence-part_b_133261.html





:applaud

i've got a huge man-crush on rfk jr. he's exactly right on the mark with this one.

[BMM]

Those videos are disturbing.

[jaguarr]

RFK JR: IF PALIN WANTS TO PLAY 'GUILT BY ASSOCIATION' THEN MEDIA SHOULD DISCUSS HER SECESSIONIST PARTY TIES
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-f-kennedy-jr/alaskan-independence-part_b_133261.html





:applaud

Robby K. layin' the smack down! :eek:

jag

[Marx]

I just wanted to let everyone know that the local news just broke into programming with Sarah Palin's stump speech taking place right now in Wilmington, Ohio.

She introduced Trig, Willow, and Piper to the audience. From the camera angle it would appear that the children are seated on stage behind her.

She said that John McCain has brought the nation's attention to the situation with DHL. There are DHL workers in the audience who applauded that. (It was actually Sherrod Brown, not John McCain who brought that attention and has stood up for the people at DHL. McCain lobbied for this mess. She didn't mention that though.)

She also said that we need to harness energy like solar and wind that 'God has so graciously enriched this land with.'


:whatever:http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon13.gif

[Überlibran]

did anyone else notice the difference in skin color between mccain's face and his scalp under the comb-over in the debate the other night? his face seemed more yellow-ish and his scalp was very pink. no wonder it costs $5K to spackle him up. they should save money and use one of those shotgun makeup dealies that homer simpson invented.Lol, who's plastering on the makeup like a trollop now, John?*




*Hopes somebody gets that

[The Senator]

RFK JR: IF PALIN WANTS TO PLAY 'GUILT BY ASSOCIATION' THEN MEDIA SHOULD DISCUSS HER SECESSIONIST PARTY TIES
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-f-kennedy-jr/alaskan-independence-part_b_133261.html





:applaud

Good. Now if only the media could start talking about it. :up:

[gap5ewl]

Lol, who's plastering on the makeup like a trollop now, John?*



*Hopes somebody gets that

More like cu_ _:cwink:

[The Battousai]

Good. Now if only the media could start talking about it. :up:

Rachel Maddow, anyone? :woot:

[gap5ewl]

RFK JR: IF PALIN WANTS TO PLAY 'GUILT BY ASSOCIATION' THEN MEDIA SHOULD DISCUSS HER SECESSIONIST PARTY TIES
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-f-kennedy-jr/alaskan-independence-part_b_133261.html



:applaud

Yes I don't know why this isn't being shown in mainstream media. The leader of the party is a freaken devout anti-American psycho and she even spoke at a ceremony for them not too long ago and told them to "keep up the good work". WTF!?!?!?!? Oh so Obama is un-American because of his name, his pastor, and he was on the same community board as a weatherman member, but Palin's husband was a member of a party that hates America with a passion? Btw, that leader of the party is rumored to have burried rifles in his front yard in case the federal government comes and declares war on Alaska.
:dry:

[Alex The Great]

This gril makes anything she say sound so folksy :hehe:

but still, the gir;l ins't even that good. She got the Job just to get the bitter Clinton voters :down

[Superman]

Rachel Maddow, anyone? :woot:Not enough.

Everyone expects Rachel to talk about it. We need the general mainstream media to talk about this so more people see it.

[The Battousai]

Not enough.

Everyone expects Rachel to talk about it. We need the general mainstream media to talk about this so more people see it.

I hope more media outlets talk about it, too - I was just pointing out that she went over the subject on her show earlier; even interviewing one of the people on the advisory board up in Alaska :up:

[gap5ewl]

Lol I love this:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081010/ap_on_el_pr/palin_troopergate
Palin pre-empts state report, clears self in probe
ANCHORAGE, Alaska - Trying to head off a potentially embarrassing state ethics report on GOP vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin, campaign officials released their own report Thursday that clears her of any wrongdoing. Sen. John McCain's running mate is the subject of a legislative investigation into whether she abused her power as governor by firing her public safety commissioner. The commissioner, Walter Monegan, says he was dismissed in July for resisting pressure from Palin's husband, Todd Palin, and numerous top aides to fire state trooper Mike Wooten, Palin's former brother-in-law.

Lawmakers are expected to release their own findings Friday. Campaign officials have yet to see that report — the result of an investigation that began before she was tapped as McCain's running mate — but said the investigation has falsely portrayed a legitimate policy dispute between a governor and her commissioner as something inappropriate.

"The following document will prove Walt Monegan's dismissal was a result of his insubordination and budgetary clashes with Governor Palin and her administration," campaign officials wrote. "Trooper Wooten is a separate issue."

Monegan said Thursday that he doesn't know what to expect from the legislative panel's own report.

"I just hope that the truth is figured out," Monegan told The Associated Press on Thursday. "That the governor did want me to fire him, and I chose to not. You just can't walk up to someone and say, 'I fire you.' He didn't do anything under my watch to result in termination."

Palin's critics say that shows she used her office to settle family affairs.

"When you're the governor, you leave your household hat at home and you become governor," said state Senate President Lyda Green, a Republican who has frequently clashed with Palin.

The campaign's report instead blames former campaign opponent, Andrew Halcro, who has a blog, of conspiring with Wooten to pin Monegan's dismissal on the family's dispute with Wooten. Three days after Monegan was fired, they say, Wooten told his ex-wife, Palin's sister, that: "You guys are going down. Get ready for the show."

Two days after that confrontation, they say, Halcro and Wooten met at a hotel bar in Anchorage for more than three hours — and that evening, Halcro posted the first accusations on his blog that Monegan had been fired because of a vendetta against Wooten by the Palin family.

"It is tragic that a false story hatched by a blogger after drinks with Trooper Wooten led the legislature to allocate over $100,000 of public money to be spent in what has become a politically driven investigation," the 21-page report concludes.

Although the report describes Wooten as a separate issue, the McCain campaign goes into great detail about the "rogue" trooper and his "long history of unstable and erratic behavior." The campaign describes allegations of violence, including threatening Palin's family and shooting his stepson with a stun gun.

The report also includes allegations that Wooten cheated the workers' compensation system. Todd Palin has said he had numerous conversations with government officials about why Wooten was allowed to stay on the job.

"The Palins make no apologies for wanting to protect their family and wanting to bring attention to the injustice of a violent trooper keeping his badge and abusing the workers' compensation system."

But Todd Palin said he never pressured anyone, including his wife.

The McCain campaign says the investigation has become "muddied with innuendo, rumor and partisan politics."

Oh ok Sarah released her own findings of the case and completely dismissed herself of wrongdoing. Glad she got that out of the way!

[jaguarr]

Lol I love this:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081010/ap_on_el_pr/palin_troopergate

Oh ok Sarah released her own findings of the case and completely dismissed herself of wrongdoing. Glad she got that out of the way!

Are they f**king serious? This is like the worst attempt at a Jedi Mind Trick I have ever seen. :huh:

jag

[The Senator]

Lol I love this:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081010/ap_on_el_pr/palin_troopergate

Oh ok Sarah released her own findings of the case and completely dismissed herself of wrongdoing. Glad she got that out of the way!

Every single day, I am forced to question the true intelligence of Sarah Palin. And every single day, her intelligence falls shorter and shorter. Today, with that little report of hers, she now has the intelligence of a used match. :up:

[kane9321]

bunch of ...Todds

[jaguarr]

bunch of ...Todds

:funny:

jag

[The Senator]

Does Sarah Palin qualify as a Todd? :huh:

[jaguarr]

I have a feeling that the findings of the investigative committee aren't going to mesh real well with the McCain Campaign's declaration of innocence for the Palins:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/10/us/10trooper.html?_r=1&bl=&ei=5087&en=ce240ad3162ac5ac&ex=1223697600&pagewanted=print

October 10, 2008
Palins Repeatedly Pressed Case Against Trooper
By SERGE F. KOVALESKI

ANCHORAGE — The 2007 state fair was days away when Alaska’s public safety commissioner, Walt Monegan, took another call about one of his troopers, Michael Wooten. This time, the director of Gov. Sarah Palin’s Anchorage office was on the line.

As Mr. Monegan recalls it, the aide said the governor had heard that TrooperWooten was assigned to work the kickoff to the fair in late August. If so, Mr. Monegan should do something about it, because Ms. Palin was also planning to attend and did not want him nearby.

Somewhat bewildered, Mr. Monegan soon determined that Trooper Wooten had indeed volunteered for duty at the fairgrounds — in full costume as “Safety Bear,” the troopers’ child-friendly mascot.

Two years earlier, the trooper and the governor’s sister had been embroiled in a nasty divorce and child-custody battle that had hardened the Palin family against him. To Mr. Monegan and several top aides, the state fair episode was yet another example of a fixation that the governor and her husband, Todd, had with Trooper Wooten and the most granular details of his life.

“I thought to myself, ‘Man, do they have a heavy-duty network and focus on this guy,’ ” Mr. Monegan said. “You’d call that an obsession.”

On July 11, Ms. Palin fired Mr. Monegan, setting off a politically charged scandal that has become vastly more so since Ms. Palin became the Republican vice-presidential nominee.

By now, the outlines of the matter have been widely reported. Mr. Monegan believes he was ousted because he would not bow to pressure to dismiss Trooper Wooten. The Alaska Legislature is investigating the firing and whether the governor abused the powers of her office to pursue a personal vendetta. Its report is due Friday.

Ms. Palin has denied that anyone told Mr. Monegan to dismiss Trooper Wooten, or that the commissioner’s ouster had anything to do with him. But an examination of the case, based on interviews with Mr. Monegan and several top aides, indicates that, to a far greater degree than was previously known, the governor, her husband and her administration pressed the commissioner and his staff to get Trooper Wooten off the force, though without directly ordering it.

In all, the commissioner and his aides were contacted about Trooper Wooten three dozen times over 19 months by the governor, her husband and seven administration officials, interviews and documents show.

“To all of us, it was a campaign to get rid of him as a trooper and, at the very least, to smear the guy and give him a desk job somewhere,” said Kim Peterson, Mr. Monegan’s special assistant, who like several other aides spoke publicly about the matter for the first time.

Ms. Peterson, a 31-year veteran of state government who retired 10 days before Mr. Monegan’s firing, said she received about a dozen calls herself. “It was very clear that someone from the governor’s office wanted him watched,” she said.

Nor did that interest end with Mr. Monegan, the examination shows. His successor, Chuck Kopp, recalled that in an exploratory phone call and then a job interview, Ms. Palin’s aides mentioned the governor’s concerns about Trooper Wooten. None of the 280 other troopers were discussed, Mr. Kopp said.

Personnel Politics

Immediately after Mr. Monegan’s firing, Ms. Palin said her intent was to change the department’s direction. (She declined to be interviewed for this article.) She has since offered a variety of explanations for his ouster, most recently accusing him of insubordination and opposing her fiscal reforms.

As evidence, she has contended, among other things, that Mr. Monegan arranged two unauthorized lobbying trips to Washington. But according to interviews and records obtained by The New York Times, the governor’s office authorized both trips.

As for Trooper Wooten, Ms. Palin has said she and others were simply lodging legitimate complaints to the appropriate authorities about a trooper with a disciplinary record who was a danger to her family and to the public. In one instance, she said he made a death threat against her father in 2005, an accusation that the trooper has denied.

Ms. Palin initially said she welcomed an investigation into Mr. Monegan’s ouster. But she has since declined to cooperate with the bipartisan inquiry, which Senator John McCain’s presidential campaign says has been “hijacked” by Democratic lawmakers. Ms. Palin has pledged to cooperate with a separate inquiry, by the state’s Personnel Board.

Beyond the potential political consequences, the Legislature’s inquiry, depending on its outcome, could lead lawmakers to censure Ms. Palin or pass legislation making it more difficult for a governor to remove a commissioner, legislative leaders said.

Watching the Trooper

The Palin family’s dispute with Trooper Wooten surfaced long before Ms. Palin became governor.

On April 11, 2005, the day Ms. Palin’s sister, Molly McCann, filed for divorce, her father, Chuck Heath, informed the state police that a domestic-violence restraining order had been served on his son-in-law. Mr. Heath later told the state police that, although Trooper Wooten had not physically harmed Ms. McCann, he had intimidated her. Ms. McCann told the authorities that Trooper Wooten said to her that he would shoot Mr. Heath if he hired her a divorce lawyer and would “take down” Ms. Palin if she got involved.

The family also reported that Trooper Wooten, who was assigned to the wildlife investigations unit, shot a cow, or female, moose without a permit, used a Taser on his 10-year-old stepson and drank a beer at a friend’s barbecue before taking a second one for the drive home in his patrol car.

In March 2006, after an internal inquiry, Trooper Wooten received a 10-day suspension, which was eventually halved. The suspension letter mentions nothing about threats. At the time, Trooper Wooten and Ms. McCann had been divorced for about two months. But their relationship remained tumultuous, primarily over child custody disputes, said Ms. McCann’s divorce lawyer, Roberta Erwin.

Ms. McCann “wanted to know what relief was available to her” without spending the money to return to court, the lawyer said, adding, “As a close family, the Palins did their best to help her by reaching out further to the trooper hierarchy, with Todd taking the lead.”

On Jan. 4, 2007, a month into the Palin administration and his tenure as public safety commissioner, Mr. Monegan went to the governor’s Anchorage office to talk with Todd Palin, who had requested the meeting. Mr. Palin was seated at a conference table with three stacks of personnel files. That, Mr. Monegan recalled, was the first time he heard the name Mike Wooten.

“He conveyed to me,” Mr. Monegan said, “that he and Sarah did not think the investigation into Wooten had been done well enough and that they were not happy with the punishment. Todd was clearly frustrated.”

Mr. Palin noted Trooper Wooten’s divorce case but dwelt on the moose kill, even showing photographs of the dead animal, Mr. Monegan recalled. The commissioner said he would have his staff evaluate the evidence.

A few days later, Mr. Monegan informed Mr. Palin that the issues raised at the meeting had been addressed in the suspension. The case was closed.

Mr. Palin sounded vexed and said repeatedly Trooper Wooten was getting away with a crime, Mr. Monegan said. “I hung up wondering how long I could keep my job if I tick off my boss’s husband.”

Several evenings later, Mr. Monegan’s cellphone rang. “Walt, it’s Sarah,” the governor said before echoing much of what her husband had said. Trooper Wooten, he recalls being told, was “not the kind of person we should want as a trooper.” He told the governor, too, that there was no new evidence to pursue.

Soon after that, Mr. Palin and several aides began pressing the public safety agency to investigate another matter: whether Trooper Wooten was fraudulently collecting workers’ compensation for a back injury he said he had suffered while helping carry a body bag.

Mr. Palin’s evidence: He told Ms. Peterson, the commissioner’s assistant, that he had seen the trooper riding a snowmobile while on medical leave and that he had photographs to prove it.

When Mr. Palin called back two weeks later, Ms. Peterson said she had met with the trooper but was not authorized to discuss the conversation because it was an official state personnel matter. The issue was eventually resolved in Trooper Wooten’s favor, after his chiropractor sent a letter saying he had approved of the trooper’s riding a snowmobile, as long as he was careful.

Mr. Palin declined to be interviewed. But in a sworn affidavit this week for the legislative investigation, he wrote that he had hundreds of communications about the trooper “with my family, with friends, with colleagues and with just about everyone I could, including government officials.” He added, “In fact, I talked about Wooten so much over the years that my wife told me to stop talking about it with her.”

As for what he had told his wife, Mr. Palin said he often raised his concerns about “the unfairness of his remaining on the state troopers when he was obviously so unfit for the job.”

Of the dozen calls Ms. Peterson received about Trooper Wooten, she said, at least half were from Dianne Kiesel, a deputy director at the Department of Administration. The last discussion with Ms. Kiesel came after Ms. Peterson informed her that the trooper had been cleared to work full time.

“Since there was now no business reason to separate Wooten, she wanted to know what else we could do with him,” Ms. Peterson said, adding, “I could tell she was under pressure to come up with something.”

Ms. Kiesel enumerated various possibilities, like moving him to the cold-case unit or a desk job doing background checks.

Ms. Peterson, who had worked in human resources management for most of her government career, said she pointed out that those options would violate the public safety union’s contract.

At one meeting, Ms. Peterson recalled, the commissioner of administration, Annette Kreitzer, said “to keep an eye on him and that he gets no special privileges.”

In an interview, Ms. Kreitzer said she was simply calling for routine monitoring of an employee who had a disciplinary history or had not been evaluated in a while. Six other administration aides who initiated contacts with public safety officials about Trooper Wooten did not return calls or declined to comment.

As for Trooper Wooten’s planned appearance as Safety Bear, Mr. Monegan said he decided to pull him back.

Unexpected Firing

In July, Ms. Palin’s acting chief of staff called Mr. Monegan to another meeting in that same room in the governor’s Anchorage office. The aide, Michael A. Nizich, said the governor wanted him to head the Alcoholic Beverage Control Board, part of the public safety department. Put another way, he was no longer commissioner.

Saying the firing had come “out of the blue,” Mr. Monegan asked how he had upset the governor. Ms. Palin, the aide said, wanted to take the agency in a new direction.

“Was it Wooten?” Mr. Monegan recalled asking.

“A new direction,” was the reply.

The Legislature’s investigation began after a local blogger, who had been a political rival of Ms. Palin, linked Mr. Monegan’s firing to, among other reasons, his refusal to dismiss Trooper Wooten. Initially the governor said through a spokeswoman that the dismissal had nothing to do with a “personality conflict.” Since then, her explanations have evolved, from saying that he was lagging on filling trooper vacancies and tackling alcohol-abuse problems in rural Alaska to showing an “intolerable pattern of insubordination” and a “rogue mentality” by resisting her authority and spending reforms, sometimes publicly.

Mr. Monegan’s successor, Mr. Kopp, said that when the trooper came up in his pre-employment conversations with Palin aides, “it was raised within the context of one of the things that I needed to be aware of, but there was no direction to take any job action.”

During his first week on the job, Mr. Kopp received a call from Mr. Nizich. Trooper Wooten, in uniform, had shown up at the governor’s picnic, which is open to the public. “Is there anything you can do?” Mr. Nizich asked, explaining that the Palins were concerned about his presence.

The trooper was told to leave the area.

About a week later, Mr. Kopp resigned amid scrutiny of a 2005 sexual harassment complaint.

Mr. Wooten, who declined to be interviewed for this article, remains on the force as a patrol trooper.

I'd like to see "Minergate" and her tax evasion questions get some scrutiny of this caliber as well.

jag

[jaguarr]

Does Sarah Palin qualify as a Todd? :huh:

Oh, I bet Sarah Palin has had a little Todd in her now and again. :hehe:

jag

[The Senator]

Oh, I bet Sarah Palin has had a little Todd in her now and again. :hehe:

jag

And sometimes a little Todd pops out of her every now and again!

[souvlaki]

Oh... my... God...

Intelligence Quotient: 83


http://clapboard.org/temp/SarahPalinReport.pdf

I so want this to be real.

[souvlaki]

I mean, realistically it probably isn't. But it gave me a good laugh for a couple minutes.

[The Battousai]

I mean, realistically it probably isn't. But it gave me a good laugh for a couple minutes.

How about the "D" in "Foreign Language"? :hehe:

[souvlaki]

How about the "D" in "Foreign Language"? :hehe:

To quote a wise man: "I want to believe".

In all likelyhood after actually getting over the initial excitement, I'm sure it's fake. But the very fact that it's spreading across the internet like wildfire right now doesn't say much about peoples' opinion of Sarah Palin.

[Ahura Mazda]

Well her GPA was never released to the public and she did attend all those schools. It is for sure she recieved less then a 3.5 GPA in College given she gaduated without honors.

Given the American school system I would say that is pretty bad. I am no genius but while I was going to chool in the states i was pretty much getting straight A's without having to put up too much effort.

But hey, I guess it is not an issue but who Obama sat on a board, that was sponsorred by a Republican supporter of McCain, with really is.

[ShadowBoxing]

Oh... my... God...




http://clapboard.org/temp/SarahPalinReport.pdf

I so want this to be real.
I wish I could believe it, but that would mean Palin was legally retarded, and I just don't see that happening.

[Lightning Strykez!]

http://www.accesshollywood.com/content/images/76/230x306/76741_sarah-palin-on-the-cover-of-newsweek.jpg

The latest McCain campaign complaint... HOW DARE NEWSWEEK NOT AIRBRUSH A PICTURE OF PALIN.

Yes, there are actually people complaining that Newsweek didn't airbrush this photo to make Palin look more attractive.

Well, that IS an odd angle for a mag cover. She looks crazy. Is that food in her teeth? :confused:

[Lightning Strykez!]

This whole AIP thing has the potential to really destroy Sarah Palin, as it would paint her as a HUGE hypocrite. While I appreciate RFK Jr's report, it needs mainstream coverage to do any substantial damage to her or McCain.

Honestly? I think the only way the mainstream will put more focus on it is if Obama does it himself...or perhaps his surrogates. Makes me wonder what they're waiting for?? :confused:

[chamber-music]

Well her GPA was never released to the public and she did attend all those schools. It is for sure she recieved less then a 3.5 GPA in College given she gaduated without honors.

Given the American school system I would say that is pretty bad. I am no genius but while I was going to chool in the states i was pretty much getting straight A's without having to put up too much effort.

But hey, I guess it is not an issue but who Obama sat on a board, that was sponsorred by a Republican supporter of McCain, with really is.

One of my friends moved to california for a year when his dad had a job out there and he said that the stuff they where learning was about two years behind are school.

[Anita18]

Well her GPA was never released to the public and she did attend all those schools. It is for sure she recieved less then a 3.5 GPA in College given she gaduated without honors.

Given the American school system I would say that is pretty bad. I am no genius but while I was going to chool in the states i was pretty much getting straight A's without having to put up too much effort.
Oh shush, I got straight A's all through high school without any effort, until I hit college where everyone was smarter than me and I graduated without honors. :csad:

I'm glad I'm out, since the real world never fails to prove to me how smart I ACTUALLY am in the scheme of things. :woot:

But since I see lots of community colleges in Palin's educational roster, I shall still gladly go by your interpretation. :hehe:

[Kelly]

Many people who cannot afford a 4 year college right off the bat go to community colleges first, mainly because they work better with job schedules etc.

I began in a community college myself, and later transferred to a 4 year college......


My mother was Vice-President of an Insurance Company in Dallas for many years, and she did all of the hiring for the upper level jobs for the company. She found that she hired very few 4.0 GPA's.......in her interviews she said they came off as not being trainable. She was known for her tough hiring, and choosing good people......she looked beyond the GPA.

I teach both level and Pre AP students.....I do not believe one group is more "able" to do well in college than the next. They all have their chance....what they do with that chance is what conts. Nor, do I believe that any of my Pre AP students would make any better of a President or Vice-President of this country because they have a higher GPA.


I don't know that Sarah Palin will/would be a good Vice-President or not, but I can point to far better examples than a GPA or choice of college. I believe President Bush is a perfect example of the fact that "the school you go to, has nothing to do with the kind of president you will be". His Bachelor and Master degrees from Yale and Havard certainly did nothing for his ability.

[Paradoxium]

Many people who cannot afford a 4 year college right off the bat go to community colleges first, mainly because they work better with job schedules etc.

I began in a community college myself, and later transferred to a 4 year college......


My mother was Vice-President of an Insurance Company in Dallas for many years, and she did all of the hiring for the upper level jobs for the company. She found that she hired very few 4.0 GPA's.......in her interviews she said they came off as not being trainable. She was known for her tough hiring, and choosing good people......she looked beyond the GPA.

I teach both level and Pre AP students.....I do not believe one group is more "able" to do well in college than the next. They all have their chance....what they do with that chance is what conts. Nor, do I believe that any of my Pre AP students would make any better of a President or Vice-President of this country because they have a higher GPA.

I don't know that Sarah Palin will/would be a good Vice-President or not, but I can point to far better examples than a GPA or choice of college. I believe President Bush is a perfect example of the fact that "the school you go to, has nothing to do with the kind of president you will be". His Bachelor and Master degrees from Yale and Havard certainly did nothing for his ability.
I need to dig this up someday, but there has some statistic that showed people that attended an Ivy League school that participated in sports end up getting paid more than normal than Ivy League graduates by 20%+. No honors either.

And even in the case of people who are well educated and end up with a decent job - they might not even like the job. I have cousins from MIT and Harvard, end up rejecting jobs that paid 6-digits (well after they paid off their loans) because they could not tolerate doing something like that for the rest of their lives.

College is mostly a stepping stone to get a half decent job to pay off the debt you accumulate from attending it :woot:

[Kelly]

I need to dig this up someday, but there has some statistic that showed people that attended an Ivy League school that participated in sports end up getting paid more than normal than Ivy League graduates by 20%+. No honors either.

And even in the case of people who are well educated and end up with a decent job - they might not even like the job. I have cousins from MIT and Harvard, end up rejecting jobs that paid 6-digits (well after they paid off their loans) because they could not tolerate doing something like that for the rest of their lives.

College is mostly a stepping to stone to get a half decent job to pay off the debt you accumulate from attending it :woot:


lol, this is so true......

[Anita18]

Many people who cannot afford a 4 year college right off the bat go to community colleges first, mainly because they work better with job schedules etc.

I began in a community college myself, and later transferred to a 4 year college......

I don't know that Sarah Palin will/would be a good Vice-President or not, but I can point to far better examples than a GPA or choice of college. I believe President Bush is a perfect example of the fact that "the school you go to, has nothing to do with the kind of president you will be". His Bachelor and Master degrees from Yale and Havard certainly did nothing for his ability.
Oh, I'm not saying that community colleges are bad, but usually you have to stick with one to transfer successfully to a reputable 4-year school. I have a friend from high school whose grades weren't the best, so she went to a community college for a few years, worked really hard and transferred to UC Davis to major in biotechnology, which is NOT easy to do. I admire her greatly for that.

And I actually suspect that Bush is smarter than he publicly lets on, but he's clueless as to how to communicate that. He comes off smug as a result. I've seen that a lot with very intelligent people. My own cousin comes off as a clueless doofus but he's actually very smart. So I'm told, because I only communicate with him verbally and that's the worst way to do so, LOL! I figure, he ended up at Princeton, he's got to show some kind of intelligence on paper.

[Kelly]

Oh, I'm not saying that community colleges are bad, but usually you have to stick with one to transfer successfully to a reputable 4-year school. I have a friend from high school whose grades weren't the best, so she went to a community college for a few years, worked really hard and transferred to UC Davis to major in biotechnology, which is NOT easy to do. I admire her greatly for that.

And I actually suspect that Bush is smarter than he publicly lets on, but he's clueless as to how to communicate that. He comes off smug as a result. I've seen that a lot with very intelligent people. My own cousin comes off as a clueless doofus but he's actually very smart. So I'm told, because I only communicate with him verbally and that's the worst way to do so, LOL! I figure, he ended up at Princeton, he's got to show some kind of intelligence on paper.


Well everyone is taking the same ACT's and SAT's.......stupid tests, I might add, but that's just this educator's opinion. Really it doesn't matter how many community colleges you go to, AS LONG, as you find out from the beginning if and where your scores will transfer.

I will admit, Bush was much more intelligent as a governor, than he has been as president. BUT, I also, do not blame him for EVERYTHING that has happened. I send a good portion of the blame to our "do nothing" legislative branch as well. BUT, the buck has to stop somewhere, and of course that is the president.

[Anita18]

Well everyone is taking the same ACT's and SAT's.......stupid tests, I might add, but that's just this educator's opinion. Really it doesn't matter how many community colleges you go to, AS LONG, as you find out from the beginning if and where your scores will transfer.
Hmm, to transfer to a University of California school, you actually have to transfer 2 years of classes and grades from a community college, hence my observation that my friend had to work really hard in community college, to prove that she was up for the work at UC Davis. Not many people get in that way, especially for an impacted major.

It would be difficult to do that if you kept on transferring from community college to community college. But it most likely differs state by state.

[Paradoxium]

Oh dear

GOLLY, PALIN TO PLAY HERSELF ON 'SNL' (http://www.nypost.com/seven/10102008/gossip/cindy/golly__palin_to_play_herself_on_snl_132932.htm?pag e=0)

[Raiden]

Hmm, to transfer to a University of California school, you actually have to transfer 2 years of classes and grades from a community college, hence my observation that my friend had to work really hard in community college, to prove that she was up for the work at UC Davis. Not many people get in that way, especially for an impacted major.

It would be difficult to do that if you kept on transferring from community college to community college. But it most likely differs state by state.

As someone who also had 2 years of CC before going to a UC school, you were right away having to work hard in the CC so the university would accept you and let you transfer your units over.

[Raiden]

Oh dear

GOLLY, PALIN TO PLAY HERSELF ON 'SNL' (http://www.nypost.com/seven/10102008/gossip/cindy/golly__palin_to_play_herself_on_snl_132932.htm?pag e=0)

Maybe she is thinking about a career change if this one doesn't pan out? :cwink:

[Hurm...]

Oh dear

GOLLY, PALIN TO PLAY HERSELF ON 'SNL' (http://www.nypost.com/seven/10102008/gossip/cindy/golly__palin_to_play_herself_on_snl_132932.htm?pag e=0)My lord...this CAN'T be real? Can it? :wow:

[jaguarr]

Oh dear

GOLLY, PALIN TO PLAY HERSELF ON 'SNL' (http://www.nypost.com/seven/10102008/gossip/cindy/golly__palin_to_play_herself_on_snl_132932.htm?pag e=0)

Palin has reportedly had a lady boner to appear on SNL ever since Fey started lampooning her. I have a feeling this is just going to add fuel to SNL and Fey's fire. They'll either find a way to make her come off like a moron without her even realizing it or they'll let her do her thing and then completely roast her alive over it the following week. If she was smart, she'd quit giving SNL so much attention; all this does is validates that they have tapped a nerve with her and will only encourage them which is something the McCain Campaign really doesn't need right now.

jag

[Paradoxium]

Palin has reportedly had a lady boner to appear on SNL ever since Fey started lampooning her. I have a feeling this is just going to add fuel to SNL and Fey's fire. They'll either find a way to make her come off like a moron without her even realizing it or they'll let her do her thing and then completely roast her alive over it the following week. If she was smart, she'd quit giving SNL so much attention; all this does is validates that they have tapped a nerve with her and will only encourage them which is something the McCain Campaign really doesn't need right now.

jag
I am no fan of her, but this sounds so insanely bad, it might be good. This election is a big stinking joke, so you might as well get entertained :woot:

[Motown Marvel]

is it too much to expect SNL to just outright roast her right there? they'll probably go soft on her.

[jaguarr]

I am no fan of her, but this sounds so insanely bad, it might be good. This election is a big stinking joke, so you might as well get entertained :woot:

It has "trainwreck" written all over it which, let's face it, is the only reason people pay attention to Palin anymore; they want to see another one of the trainwrecks that follow her around. She's like the political Schleprock.

jag

[The Incredible Hulk]

I have tickets to the Flyers/Rangers game tomorrow where she is supposed to be dropping the ceremonial first puck. Not sure that's exactly the wisest decision considering the reputation of sports fans here and the fact that we also lean HEAVILY Democratic in this city. I'd expect a YouTube clip of her reception to be making the rounds by late afternoon.

[jaguarr]

is it too much to expect SNL to just outright roast her right there? they'll probably go soft on her.

I don't know. They seem to have found their testicles again this season where the political arena is concerned. They just might see how much they can get away with while she's there, live and in person.

jag

[jaguarr]

I have tickets to the Flyers/Rangers game tomorrow where she is supposed to be dropping the ceremonial first puck. Not sure that's exactly the wisest decision considering the reputation of sports fans here and the fact that we also lean HEAVILY Democratic in this city. I'd expect a YouTube clip of her reception to be making the rounds by late afternoon.

I want a full report of this event, TIH. :up:

jag

[Paradoxium]

Bad or good idea, you gotta give her credit for having the balls to do any of this. The whole unpredictability is what makes it so amusing. hahah this is outstanding :woot:

[Raiden]

Tina Fey should impersonate Palin in the following week, playing as Palin as herself. :D

[Motown Marvel]

I don't know. They seem to have found their testicles again this season where the political arena is concerned. They just might see how much they can get away with while she's there, live and in person.

jag

yeah, but its gonna be a whole new ball game with her being there. if she's in good humor about all this, which she'd have to be, they'll more like go easy on her. plus, i dont think the campaign would allow her to do anything that could further make palin look like an ass. i think they're gonna go soft, tina fey will throw out some of the catch phrases, and then they'll have palin reading from script busting tina's balls in good humored "revenge".

[jaguarr]

Tina Fey should impersonate Palin in the following week, playing as Palin as herself. :D

I have a feeling that's exactly what they're going to do, too, and it won't be pretty. Palin's basically introducing herself into the SNL universe outside the context of the political debates and interviews. I can completely imagine Fey pretending to be Palin, begging Lorne Michaels to let her be on the show full time and generally making a fool out of Palin in the next couple of weeks.

jag

[Gilpesh]

I have a feeling that's exactly what they're going to do, too, and it won't be pretty. Palin's basically introducing herself into the SNL universe outside the context of the political debates and interviews. I can completely imagine Fey pretending to be Palin, begging Lorne Michaels to let her be on the show full time and generally making a fool out of Palin in the next couple of weeks.

jag

If Fey hates Palin as much as it seems... she might surprise guest Palin's appearance on the show with a whole bunch of really bad things to say about Palin 'as Palin'. Although I bet Lorne wouldn't let her if she wanted to do that...

[DorkyFresh]

Tina Fey playing Sarah Palin playing herself?


Saratina Feylin?

[Motown Marvel]

what would be cool is to have an unscripted debate between real palin and fey palin. that woulda been the only way they'd have really gone after palin. but they're gonna treat her with kiddie gloves.

[Marx]

PALIN: OBAMA PUTS AMBITION OVER COUNTRY
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/10/palin-obama-puts-ambition-over-country/





(Is she f***** serious? Really? Obama is the one who puts ambition over country? :lmao: I think she had better look to her own running mate who only chose her because he was trying to capitalize on resentful female Clinton supporters! What an ignorant b****! I'm sorry...I can't take this crap anymore. :cmad:)

[rdh007]

She makes a great attack dog. She's like a mildly retarded doberman that barks at random things.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Is "ambition" the new word that the Repubs are demonizing now that they're done with "liberal?"

[Gilpesh]

Is "ambition" the new word that the Repubs are demonizing now that they're done with "liberal?"

Which is hilarious... because it just shows how little people read McCain's book.

[sinewave]

Is "ambition" the new word that the Repubs are demonizing now that they're done with "liberal?"

seems that way. i'm glad i'm not the only one who sees it that way about their use of the word "liberal".

[kainedamo]

Alaska lawmakers review Palin trooper report

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/10/palin.investigation/index.html

ANCHORAGE, Alaska (CNN) -- Alaska lawmakers huddled behind closed doors Friday to review a report on Gov. Sarah Palin's firing of her public safety commissioner, who says he was sacked for resisting pressure to fire the governor's ex-brother-in-law.


Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin is under investigation for the firing of her public safety commissioner.

The bipartisan Legislative Council went into executive session to discuss the report from former Anchorage prosecutor Stephen Branchflower before its scheduled release. But state Senate President Lyda Green told reporters outside the meeting room, "It's going to be hours."

Only a portion of the report is scheduled to be made public after the executive session, said state Sen. Kim Elton, the Legislative Council's chairman. A second part of the report contains "confidential" information and will be kept under wraps, said Elton, a Democrat who has been under fire from Palin's supporters.

State Rep. Peggy Wilson, a Republican member of the council, said the total report ran about 1,000 pages.

"This is a pretty serious thing, and I don't feel comfortable even talking about it until I've got it all read," she said.

Palin, now the Republican vice presidential nominee, told reporters at a campaign stop in Ohio on Thursday that she has "absolutely nothing to hide" in the investigation.

"It's a governor's right and responsibility to make sure that they have the right people in the right place at the right time to best serve the people who hired them, and for me, the people of Alaska, so my Cabinet's got to be the right Cabinet for the people of Alaska," she said.

Ahead of Friday's hearing, Palin supporters wearing clown costumes and carrying balloons denounced the hearing as a "kangaroo court" and a "three-ring circus" led by supporters of Sen. Barack Obama, the Democratic presidential candidate.

The McCain-Palin campaign has leveled similar allegations routinely, including in a 21-page "analysis" of the case it distributed Thursday night.

The former public safety commissioner, Walt Monegan, has said he was fired in July after refusing pressure to sack Palin's ex-brother-in-law, State Trooper Mike Wooten. Wooten was involved in an acrimonious divorce and custody battle with Palin's sister, and Palin and her husband describe him as "rogue trooper" who had threatened the family.

Palin originally agreed to cooperate with the Legislative Council inquiry, and disclosed in August that her advisers had contacted Department of Public Safety officials nearly two dozen times regarding her ex-brother-in-law.

But once she became Sen. John McCain's running mate, her advisers began painting the investigation as a weapon of Democratic partisans. They began to straight-arm the inquiry, calling it illegitimate, and attacked Democratic state Sen. Hollis French, the lawmaker managing the investigation, for a September 2 interview in which he warned the inquiry could yield an "October surprise" for the GOP ticket.

"The Palins are right to be concerned about the fairness of the Legislative Council investigation," the campaign analysis states. "The governor has consistently demonstrated, in statements and through documents she has made available, that she reassigned Mr. Monegan because of legitimate policy differences and disputes over the budget."

Palin's office in September released documents it said supported its position. The documents were part of a filing to the state Personnel Board, which Palin's office has asked to conduct a separate investigation. The governor and her allies say the board is the proper legal forum for any complaint, and Palin's lawyer says she and her husband will cooperate with that inquiry.

Oooooooooooooooooh sounds like serious business!

[The Senator]

see below

[The Senator]

Fear of Flyers: Some see risk for Palin at Saturday's hockey game
Kenneth P. Vogel, Politico


The Philadelphia Flyers’ decision to invite self-described hockey mom Sarah Palin to drop the ceremonial first puck at the team’s home opener on Saturday night is prompting head-scratching in the worlds of sports and politics.

For Republicans — who are clinging to diminishing hopes that Palin and her running mate, John McCain, can carry Pennsylvania — a less-than-warm welcome from the notoriously unruly Philly fans could be embarrassing to the GOP ticket. A cascade of boos for Palin might also prove to be a PR nightmare for the Flyers, reinforcing yet again Philly fans’ reputation for boorishness, and focusing unwanted attention on the motives of the teams’ managing partner, big GOP donor Ed Snider.

“I don’t think it is a good idea to mix politics and sports. Half the fans will disagree with what you say or do,” said Ted Leonsis, owner of the Washington Capitals, a conference rival of the Flyers. Leonsis, who in the primary gave maximum contributions to both Palin’s running mate and his Democratic rival Barack Obama, said if he invited a candidate in a looming election to appear at a Caps-related event, “I would be sure to give both sides equal time.”

And he added, “I am surprised that the candidate would go on the ice in Philly — Philly fans threw snowballs at Santa Claus and booed Beyonce because she was wearing a Michael Jordan dress. This is dangerous territory.”

It’s a risky move, agreed Brad Blakeman, a Republican strategist who ran advance operations for events for George W. Bush’s 2000 presidential campaign and later worked in a similar capacity in the Bush White House.

“You try and control as much as you can in the days leading up to an election, especially in these times, when the slightest gaffe gets viewed by millions of people on YouTube and cable news would play it incessantly if she does not get a good reception,” he said.

The plus side, according to Franklin and Marshall College pollster Terry Madonna, is that the Flyer-fan demographic roughly matches a key group of voters Republicans will need to sway in Pennsylvania: middle- to upper-income families in the politically competitive suburbs of heavily Democratic Philadelphia.

“On one level, I can understand what they’re doing,” said Madonna, who is among Pennsylvania’s leading political analysts. “They’re using her with the voters with whom they think she can be most effective.”

But, he added, Flyers’ fans “can be a little boisterous. They’re not above the Philly jeers, and all the Philadelphia fans can be tough fans.”

In addition to rough welcomes for Santa Claus and pop star Beyonce, Philadelphia fans, arguably the most unforgiving in American professional sports, cheered as an opposing team’s star player lay motionless on the turf after sustaining what turned out to be a career-ending neck injury, threw batteries at a player who refused to sign with the Phillies baseball team and last month jeered their own mascot for dropping a foul ball.

An independent pro-Palin blog worried “Uh-oh, did anyone warn Sarah about Philadelphia fans?

And Philly blogs more roundly criticized the invite as inappropriate (one called it: “a huge in-kind donation to the McCain-Palin campaign”) and buzzed with predictions that Palin will be booed, with one calling for Flyers fans to turn their backs to her.

Palin has already gotten a rocky reception in the City of Brotherly Love, albeit on a smaller scale, when 300 protesters gathered outside a debate-watching party she attended last month at a Center City bar.

Some set off flares, while others carried signs reading "Hey Hockey Mom — keep the puck out of PA" and "Just like Bush in lipstick", according to a pool report filed by CNN producer Peter Hamby, who had traveled with Palin since McCain tapped her as his running mate.

“This was one of the largest, rowdiest groups of protesters I have seen so far,” Hamby wrote.

Palin had been accompanied to the debate party by Snider, who is chairman of Comcast-Spectacor, the corporation that owns the Flyers and basketball’s Philadelphia 76ers.

Snider and his wife have given nearly $90,000 to federal candidates and causes, mostly Republican, including $25,000 to McCain’s joint fundraising committee.

But Saturday’s puck-drop is not political, according to Flyers officials, who issued a statement in which Snider explained “because of the tremendous amount of publicity she has brought to our sport, we invited the most popular hockey mom in North America to our home opener to help us get our season started.”

Ike Richman, a spokesman for Comcast-Spectacor, would not say whether the Flyers planned to invite Obama or his running mate Joe Biden, who represents nearby Delaware (a hotbed of Flyer fandom), to similar events. But he said Palin’s appearance "does not mean that we support or do not support their political views. This is all about hockey.”

Palin will be joined at center ice by the winner of the team’s “ultimate hockey mom” online contest, said Richman, who professed to be unworried by the possibility of jeers.

“I don’t know how the crowd’s going to react, but we are playing our most heated rival, the New York Rangers,” he said. “So if there are boos, we won’t know if it’s directed at anyone. It’s probably directed at the Rangers.

[Raiden]

Ike Richman, a spokesman for Comcast-Spectacor, would not say whether the Flyers planned to invite Obama or his running mate Joe Biden, who represents nearby Delaware (a hotbed of Flyer fandom), to similar events. But he said Palin’s appearance "does not mean that we support or do not support their political views. This is all about hockey.”

This is such a BS statement.

[Franklin Richards]

So Palin supports The Legion of Doom?



Figures.


:doom: :doom: :doom:

[bunk]

Which is hilarious... because it just shows how little people read McCain's book.

I thought the same thing lol. It's almost like she specifically chooses things to attack Obama for, that McCain or herself have already said or done themselves.

[Gilpesh]

I thought the same thing lol. It's almost like she specifically chooses things to attack Obama for, that McCain or herself have already said or done themselves.

Really... if country was actually first on Palin's list of things to care about. She'd step down.

[The Senator]

For Palin, some pork is kosher
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14471.html

[The Incredible Hulk]

LOL

http://www.puckyoupalin.com/

[Paradoxium]

Ok she is not the brightest lightbulb. So I was like wondering, what if McCain has a heart attack and dies days before the election and Palin steps in? And what if in some blue hell Palin ACTUALLY BEATS Obama in the election? How would you guys all react?

Laugh? Cry? Jump out the window? Heheheh :woot:

[redfirebird2008]

So the Troopergate has been released and they found that she abused her power. Broke no state laws.

[Fading]

So, if I understand right, Palin was just found guilty of abusing her powers. Let the ****storm begin lol.

There is no way she's escaping this now. She denied it up and down, and now a bipartisan group just found her guilty. I wonder how they'll try to spin it? I also wonder what, if any charges or fines will come of this? I mean technically she broke a law, and abused her powers.

Edit - NM about the law breaking.

[Fading]

So the Troopergate has been released and they found that she abused her power. Broke state laws.

Gah! You beat me to it :(. I had the window up while I was watching the news heh.

[redfirebird2008]

Correction, broke NO state laws. However, they did say that she DID abuse her power. So this is another one of those ethics issues. Not legally wrong, but morally wrong.

[Carcharodon]

She makes a great attack dog. She's like a mildly retarded doberman that barks at random things.Mother****in' sigged. :up:

[StrainedEyes]

Report: Palin abused power, broke no laws in trooper case

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/10/palin.investigation/index.html

[Superman]

Legislative panel: Palin abused authority


ANCHORAGE, Alaska - A legislative committee investigating Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin has found she unlawfully abused her authority in firing the state's public safety commissioner.

The investigative report concludes that a family grudge wasn't the sole reason for firing Public Safety Commissioner Walter Monegan but says it likely was a contributing factor.

The Republican vice presidential nominee has been accused of firing a commissioner to settle a family dispute. Palin supporters have called the investigation politically motivated.

Monegan says he was dismissed as retribution for resisting pressure to fire a state trooper involved in a bitter divorce with the governor's sister. Palin says Monegan was fired as part of a legitimate budget dispute.

THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. Check back soon for further information. AP's earlier story is below.

ANCHORAGE, Alaska (AP) — Alaska lawmakers have emerged from a private session in Anchorage where they spent more than six hours discussing a politically charged ethics report into Gov. Sarah Palin's firing of her state public safety commissioner.

The legislative panel began its public session by discussing whether to release the report's findings. The investigation was examining whether Palin, the Republican vice presidential nominee, fired a state commissioner to settle a family dispute. The report was also expected to touch on whether Palin's husband meddled in state affairs and whether her administration inappropriately accessed employee medical records.

Critics claim Palin fired Public Safety Commissioner Walter Monegan after months of pressure on him to fire Mike Wooten, a state trooper involved in a nasty divorce and custody dispute with the governor's sister.

Lawmakers indicated they planned to release the report even though there was disagreement about its findings.

"I think there are some problems in this report," Republican state Sen. Gary Stevens. "I would encourage people to be very cautious, to look at this with a jaundiced eye."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081011/ap_on_el_ge/palin_troopergate;_ylt=AkUhLVP.J3yuCacMw7PquxZxy14 A

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Yeah....but she's totally going to be playing defense from now on.

She refuses to talk about the thing, and refuses to do any interviews unless it's Fox News.

I'm assuming she won't be able to attack anyone for quite a while now.

[sinewave]

Ok she is not the brightest lightbulb. So I was like wondering, what if McCain has a heart attack and dies days before the election and Palin steps in? And what if in some blue hell Palin ACTUALLY BEATS Obama in the election? How would you guys all react?

Laugh? Cry? Jump out the window? Heheheh :woot:

i... i don't know. it would deeply disappoint me and convince me to consider that the majority of the voting adults are either a) brain damaged, b) ignorant, c) voting by party or ideals alone, with no regard for the details, or c) dead and having their name used by RNC hackers.

So the Troopergate has been released and they found that she abused her power. Broke no state laws.

that does it. they're fooked.

[Fading]

If no laws were broke then she probably doesn't have much to worry about in terms of her current job. However the fired trooper can still sue, and it will hurt her politically.

The only possible path I can see her take, other than an apology and to admit it (which is HIGHLY doubtful), is her ignoring it. Then uses the part about no laws broke to act like she was found innocent while hoping we're dumb enough to not notice the abuse of power part.

Either way, congratz Gov. Palin. You have just officially been found guilty of abuse of power and are in the middle of your very own scandal, despite only being in charge of the smallest pop in the US, and only being Gov. for 1 1/2 years, heh.

Really, I get vibes from this, like cops vibes. Like a shaky camera following Todd as he runs away, and a drunk Sarah Palin cussing out the trooper she fired, talking bout her sisters babies cousins dad, while being handcuffed.

[R0rschach]

Hmmm I think the race is over. :hehe:

[Fading]

About it being political, do some ppl honestly believe that? Atleast in terms of this being about her being the VP hopeful. Because I'm pretty sure Troopergate was being looked into before she accepted the nomination. I mean it's not like she accepted the VP nomination and then an inquiry poped out of nowhere.

[R0rschach]

About it being political, do some ppl honestly believe that? Atleast in terms of this being about her being the VP hopeful. Because I'm pretty sure Troopergate was being looked into before she accepted the nomination. I mean it's not like she accepted the VP nomination and then an inquiry poped out of nowhere.

Those that wish to see it that way will most likely be doing so. It is also the stance she will be taking, you watch and see.

[redfirebird2008]

So, is Palin now viewed by all those "average women" who love her as a typical politician that uses her power for personal vendettas and corruption or will they actually EMBRACE this since it's a case of her "standing up for her sister"?

[Fading]

Hmmm I think the race is over. :hehe:

Nah, it's all part of the plan. See, he secretly vets Palin and realizes she's a horrible choice facing possible charges, has a secectionist husband, and is...not the brightest of bulbs. However McCain makes it look spontaneous. Then he sicks her on Obama, and meanwhile condoning the attacks, and Palin persists. Thus getting the message out while distancing himself. Then Palin's Troopergate scandal comes out, and meanwhile McCain plays nice guy about Obama attacks suddenly. He fires Palin and picks Chuck Norris as his new VP, and blames all the negativity on her, but since the attacks alrdy happened it's planted in voter minds. It's ingenious /conspiracy (cue X-Files music).

[R0rschach]

Nah, it's all part of the plan. See, he secretly vets Palin and realizes she's a horrible choice facing possible charges, has a secectionist husband, and is...not the brightest of bulbs. However McCain makes it look spontaneous. Then he sicks her on Obama, and meanwhile condoning the attacks, and Palin persists. Thus getting the message out while distancing himself. Then Palin's Troopergate scandal comes out, and meanwhile McCain plays nice guy about Obama attacks suddenly. He fires Palin and picks Chuck Norris as his new VP, and blames all the negativity on her, but since the attacks alrdy happened it's planted in voter minds. It's ingenious /conspiracy (cue X-Files music).

And then Chuck Norris round house kicks this economic mess into another dimension. :hehe:

[redfirebird2008]

10 Republicans, 4 Democrats, 1,000 pages of documents not released. Anyone who accuses the Troopergate commission of being partisan is full of it.

[Fading]

Now this is hilarious. Since this is anti-republican news basically, I wanted to see Fox's take. So I flipped (wanted to see if Fox was spinning, and they did some), but it's during the Hannity show....except Hannity isn't there. So Palin's found guilty of abusing her powers and Hannity is suddenly...sick? Heh.

[The Senator]

So... does anyone expect McCain will pull a George McGovern soon?

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Well, apparently she can still be impeached for it. No laws were broken, but she could still lose her day job for it.

Her dayjob being the watchdog who stares at Russia without blinking, that is.

Aka, Governor of Alaska. Which is apparently, alot like being the President of the United States if you believe her fanbase.

[lazur]

If no laws were broke then she probably doesn't have much to worry about in terms of her current job. However the fired trooper can still sue, and it will hurt her politically.

The only possible path I can see her take, other than an apology and to admit it (which is HIGHLY doubtful), is her ignoring it. Then uses the part about no laws broke to act like she was found innocent while hoping we're dumb enough to not notice the abuse of power part.

Either way, congratz Gov. Palin. You have just officially been found guilty of abuse of power and are in the middle of your very own scandal, despite only being in charge of the smallest pop in the US, and only being Gov. for 1 1/2 years, heh.

Really, I get vibes from this, like cops vibes. Like a shaky camera following Todd as he runs away, and a drunk Sarah Palin cussing out the trooper she fired, talking bout her sisters babies cousins dad, while being handcuffed.

It's a sham. While I agree that Todd Palin played too large a role in this, and that Sarah Palin, as Governor, should have kept him in line, this whole investigation is a sham. First, she offered Monegan another position, which he turned down, opting to resign instead. Second, the state trooper was *never* fired, even though tasering a 10-year old kid and driving drunk while on duty (not to mention the death threats he made) should easily qualify. Seems to me that if she really wanted him fired, though, it would have happened. Lastly, the entire investigation was run by the opposing party. Gee, tell me they didn't have an axe to grind...

It's stupid and meaningless and she broke no laws. End of story.

[redfirebird2008]

If no laws were broke then she probably doesn't have much to worry about in terms of her current job. However the fired trooper can still sue, and it will hurt her politically.

The only possible path I can see her take, other than an apology and to admit it (which is HIGHLY doubtful), is her ignoring it. Then uses the part about no laws broke to act like she was found innocent while hoping we're dumb enough to not notice the abuse of power part.

Either way, congratz Gov. Palin. You have just officially been found guilty of abuse of power and are in the middle of your very own scandal, despite only being in charge of the smallest pop in the US, and only being Gov. for 1 1/2 years, heh.

Really, I get vibes from this, like cops vibes. Like a shaky camera following Todd as he runs away, and a drunk Sarah Palin cussing out the trooper she fired, talking bout her sisters babies cousins dad, while being handcuffed.

BTW, the issue is not the trooper. It's the man who was PRESSURED by her to fire the trooper. He got fired by her for refusing to go along with her agenda. He's the one who will sue...and WIN.

[redfirebird2008]

It's a sham. While I agree that Todd Palin played too large a role in this, and that Sarah Palin, as Governor, should have kept him in line, this whole investigation is a sham. First, she offered Monegan another position, which he turned down, opting to resign instead. Second, the state trooper was *never* fired, even though tasering a 10-year old kid and driving drunk while on duty (not to mention the death threats he made) should easily qualify. Seems to me that if she really wanted him fired, though, it would have happened. Lastly, the entire investigation was run by the opposing party. Gee, tell me they didn't have an axe to grind...

It's stupid and meaningless and she broke no laws. End of story.

10 Republicans, 4 Democrats on the committee. Don't try to write it off just as partisan crap. The Republicans on that committee could have easily overruled the Democrats.

[Fading]

BTW, the issue is not the trooper. It's the man who was PRESSURED by her to fire the trooper. He got fired by her for refusing to go along with her agenda.

Sry, ya mistype. I know that it was Palin's sister's ex-husband that they wanted fired, and the other guy was the one reportedly pressured to do it.

As for it being a sham (responding to lazur) red alrdy covered that the comittee investigating it had more republicans on it than democrats, so no partisan politics. Also this has been going on since before she accepted the VP nomination. Top it off with them finding that she allowed Todd to use her office to pressure others to try and get him fired. Her ethics with the situation is also being questioned. Top it off with the comittee finding no, I repeat NO real substance to their claims of the ex-husband threatening them and dismissing it. Not a sham at all.

[sinewave]

It's a sham. While I agree that Todd Palin played too large a role in this, and that Sarah Palin, as Governor, should have kept him in line, this whole investigation is a sham. First, she offered Monegan another position, which he turned down, opting to resign instead. Second, the state trooper was *never* fired, even though tasering a 10-year old kid and driving drunk while on duty (not to mention the death threats he made) should easily qualify. Seems to me that if she really wanted him fired, though, it would have happened. Lastly, the entire investigation was run by the opposing party. Gee, tell me they didn't have an axe to grind...

It's stupid and meaningless and she broke no laws. End of story.

mmmmmm.... there's that centrism. it's soooo tasty.

[StrainedEyes]

Lastly, the entire investigation was run by the opposing party. Gee, tell me they didn't have an axe to grind...

It's stupid and meaningless and she broke no laws. End of story.


That is an outright lie.

[souvlaki]

That is an outright lie.

What a shocker!

[Marx]

10 Republicans, 4 Democrats on the committee. Don't try to write it off just as partisan crap. The Republicans on that committee could have easily overruled the Democrats.

You all should know that those 'Republicans' were really evil Democrats in Republican garb. :ninja:

[souvlaki]

I love how Drudge doesn't even mention the Troopergate findings on his page. He doesn't even try to hide his bias.

[The Senator]

:lmao:

Bill Maher is tearing her a new one tonight...

[The Senator]

:lmao:

"She's like Tickle-Me-Elmo..."

[Gilpesh]

:lmao:

Bill Maher is tearing her a new one tonight...

"Do you know what ACORN stands for? You don't? Then don't bring it up."

Sassy black lady is good.... I forgot her name :csad:

[bunk]

:lmao:

Bill Maher is tearing her a new one tonight...


My HBO go bye bye. :csad:

[Gilpesh]

Dana Gould :up:

[StorminNorman]

I love how Drudge doesn't even mention the Troopergate findings on his page. He doesn't even try to hide his bias.

Drudge has actually been surprisingly fair this election season. I remember an article (I believe in the Times) talking about how Drudge has been more Pro-Obama and Anti-McCain. As a frequent reader, it seems to me that he is Pro-Obama, Pro-Palin and less-than-happy with McCain.

[Gilpesh]

Drudge has actually been surprisingly fair this election season. I remember an article (I believe in the Times) talking about how Drudge has been more Pro-Obama and Anti-McCain. As a frequent reader, it seems to me that he is Pro-Obama, Pro-Palin and less-than-happy with McCain.

Can you blame him? McCain wants to buy all bad mortgages at a loss....

[Superman]

That is an outright lie.What did you expect from lazur? The truth?

Not gonna happen.:o

[souvlaki]

Drudge has actually been surprisingly fair this election season. I remember an article (I believe in the Times) talking about how Drudge has been more Pro-Obama and Anti-McCain. As a frequent reader, it seems to me that he is Pro-Obama, Pro-Palin and less-than-happy with McCain.

I thought he was actually being pretty fair towards Obama before Palin was announced as McCain's running mate. Since then though his site has become a lovefest for the McCain/Palin ticket.

[redfirebird2008]

Drudge has actually been surprisingly fair this election season. I remember an article (I believe in the Times) talking about how Drudge has been more Pro-Obama and Anti-McCain. As a frequent reader, it seems to me that he is Pro-Obama, Pro-Palin and less-than-happy with McCain.

I would agree with your assessment.

[StorminNorman]

Can you blame him? McCain wants to buy all bad mortgages at a loss....

He has never been happy with McCain.

Even now - he is in love with Palin, low on McCain.

[redfirebird2008]

He has never been happy with McCain.

Even now - he is in love with Palin, low on McCain.

But at the same time, you are right that he likes Obama. He's got a story on the front page right now about the hate chants at McCain and Palin's rallies. So he's not trying to just sweep it under the rug like an anti-Obama person would.

[Gilpesh]

He has never been happy with McCain.

Even now - he is in love with Palin, low on McCain.

Yeah... they might pull her away from the public eye and throw her in candidate camp for future use.

[StorminNorman]

I am still a fan of Palin, a reason I hope McCain loses at this point.

I want her to be able to build a solo resume for '12.

[Gilpesh]

Norm... no offense but I think she might need more than four years.

[Marx]

I am still a fan of Palin, a reason I hope McCain loses at this point.

I want her to be able to build a solo resume for '12.

:wow:

[StorminNorman]

Norm... no offense but I think she might need more than four years.

I don't.

I would vote for her over Obama or McCain tomorrow.

[Bill]

I don't.

I would vote for her over Obama or McCain tomorrow.

I would vote to make sure she never sees the inside of the Whitehouse...as in ever. I think the collective IQ of the known world hangs in the balance. She's an idiot. Attractive, but idiotic none the less.

[lazur]

10 Republicans, 4 Democrats on the committee. Don't try to write it off just as partisan crap. The Republicans on that committee could have easily overruled the Democrats.

Beyond the supposed trooper component, all other reasons she had to fire Monegan stood on their own. She did not need to use his failure to fire the trooper as a reason for doing so, and she didn't.

You can spin it any way you want, but ultimately Monegan's not firing the trooper was NOT why he was fired, and even Monegan admitted himself that Palin never even referred to the trooper situation when HE DECIDED TO RESIGN. Were that the case, the trooper would have also been fired.

Nothing more than a spin job. I mean, Obama befriends and works along side an unrepentant terrorist, but to you that's not a big deal. Or at least not as big of a deal as Palin firing a jacka** who deserved to be fired.

Yeah, no partisanship happening here. :rolleyes:

[redfirebird2008]

Beyond the supposed trooper component, all other reasons she had to fire Monegan stood on their own. She did not need to use his failure to fire the trooper as a reason for doing so, and she didn't.

You can spin it anyway you want, but ultimately Monegan's not firing the trooper was NOT why he was fired. Were that the case, the trooper would have also been fired.

Nothing more than a spin job. I mean, Obama befriends and works along side an unrepentant terrorist, but to you that's not a big deal. Or at least not as big of a deal as Palin firing a jacka** who deserved to be fired.

Yeah, no partisanship happening here. :rolleyes:

Did I say this was a big deal? Not at all. But she will get sued and will lose. I really couldn't give two *****s about this right now. There's more important things to worry about, and that's why I think this "story" will be a non-story very soon.

And by the way, it's pretty clear to me that Obama was using the politically active elements of his community to get his career started. Guilt by association can be played all day long. Why don't we look into how McCain's career started with the Hensley family's connection to the mob? Conservatives, such as yourself, are the ones getting absolutely hysterical over the guilt by association notion that Obama is secretly a terrorist or some kind of Manchurian candidate. I view him as a typical, opportunistic politician.

[StorminNorman]

I would vote to make sure she never sees the inside of the Whitehouse...as in ever. I think the collective IQ of the known world hangs in the balance. She's an idiot. Attractive, but idiotic none the less.

Don't be surprised if I don't vehemently disagree.

[Gilpesh]

Yeah, no partisanship happening here. :rolleyes:

And in your post either. :whatever:

Come off the high horse... Palin was found by a bipartisan committee to have abused her power. You are spinning this just as hard as everyone else.

[Carcharodon]

I am still a fan of Palin, a reason I hope McCain loses at this point.

I want her to be able to build a solo resume for '12.Seriously? You want a woman who believes that the Flintstones were real, who can't even answer simple questions directly when asked, in the White House? You really want the worst train-wreck of a VP-pick in history to be in control of the executive branch of the world's most powerful nation? A woman who boasts of her experience as a soccer mom as evidence of her ability to govern?

I hope you're kidding. I truly, honestly do. If you are, then DAMN I wish I had a better sarcasm detector.

[Carcharodon]

Don't be surprised if I don't vehemently disagree.Wait, so you WERE kidding? You don't vehemently disagree?

[souvlaki]

Don't be surprised if I don't vehemently disagree.

I don't think that means what you meant it to mean, StorminNorman.

[Marx]

I don't.

I would vote for her over Obama or McCain tomorrow.

You know that I have nothing but the utmost respect for you man...but that's just crazy!

[StrainedEyes]

I don't.

I would vote for her over Obama or McCain tomorrow.

You can not... be serious. Why do you think she is better then the both of them?

[Raiden]

Palin hasn't proven to us that she's a competent governor, and I really don't see how she will make a good presidential candidate in 4 years. She's an eye candy, nothing more.

[kainedamo]

It's a sham. While I agree that Todd Palin played too large a role in this, and that Sarah Palin, as Governor, should have kept him in line, this whole investigation is a sham. First, she offered Monegan another position, which he turned down, opting to resign instead. Second, the state trooper was *never* fired, even though tasering a 10-year old kid and driving drunk while on duty (not to mention the death threats he made) should easily qualify. Seems to me that if she really wanted him fired, though, it would have happened. Lastly, the entire investigation was run by the opposing party. Gee, tell me they didn't have an axe to grind...

It's stupid and meaningless and she broke no laws. End of story.

lazur sure has changed his tune.

lazur, you were soooooooooooooooooo sure that Palin would be found innocent, you kept saying "innocent until proven guilty, just wait and see!", and now that she has been found guilty, you're doing your usual mental backflipping in order to defend Palin.

You are NOT a centrist.

[rdh007]

I am still a fan of Palin, a reason I hope McCain loses at this point.

I want her to be able to build a solo resume for '12.

Why? Unless you're being sarcastic, you have many other qualified people involved in the Republican party. I present example A:
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee144/rdh007/mittromney.jpg
Don't make Mitt cry. ;)

[kainedamo]

Norman, its time to let Palin go. She's been found guilty of abusing her power. Todd has been intricately involved with her office and he's been her enforcer. She's done.

Rachel Maddow Interviews Walt Monegan Who Got Fired By Palin

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[Bill]

Don't be surprised if I don't vehemently disagree.

Pity, not surprise.

[The Chairman]

Why? Unless you're being sarcastic, you have many other qualified people involved in the Republican party. I present example A:
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee144/rdh007/mittromney.jpg
Don't make Mitt cry. ;)

For the last few days, with the economy in the shape it's in, and the fact that Palin is a complete and total moron of epic proportions....I really wish he was the VP. Heck, I'd have supported him for the top spot had the economy been the way it is now back when he still had a shot.

Also, when did Palin say The Flintstones are real? I'm deeply intrigued.

[Matt]

lazur sure has changed his tune.

lazur, you were soooooooooooooooooo sure that Palin would be found innocent, you kept saying "innocent until proven guilty, just wait and see!", and now that she has been found guilty, you're doing your usual mental backflipping in order to defend Palin.

You are NOT a centrist.

She hasn't been found guilty of anything as she has not been tried of a crime. An ethics committee found she acted unethically.

[kainedamo]

Well yeah.

[rdh007]

Also, when did Palin say The Flintstones are real? I'm deeply intrigued.

She never said that. But she's never been clear on whether or not she believes the world started 6000 years ago, which would mean dinosaurs and humans living together (you know, dinosaur vacuums, dinosaur dishwashers, etc.)

[jaguarr]

LOL @ people defending Sarah Palin over her ethics violations.

jag

[sinewave]

Beyond the supposed trooper component, all other reasons she had to fire Monegan stood on their own. She did not need to use his failure to fire the trooper as a reason for doing so, and she didn't.

You can spin it any way you want, but ultimately Monegan's not firing the trooper was NOT why he was fired, and even Monegan admitted himself that Palin never even referred to the trooper situation when HE DECIDED TO RESIGN. Were that the case, the trooper would have also been fired.

Nothing more than a spin job. I mean, Obama befriends and works along side an unrepentant terrorist, but to you that's not a big deal. Or at least not as big of a deal as Palin firing a jacka** who deserved to be fired.

Yeah, no partisanship happening here. :rolleyes:

befriends and works along side? ayers was picked for the committee by a republican mccain-endorser. the guy wasn't found guilty of terrorism, served on the education board with plenty of other upstanding people, is a respected college professor and he won citizen of the year for crying out loud! you and all the other unstable partisan's act like obama befriended bin laden and secretly wants to kill half the american population in a terrorist attack. reel it in, dude. you're getting wackier and wackier each day. if you disagree with obama's stance on the issues, great, just say that. don't act like he's a cold blooded killer who hates america. it sounds like you're getting wrapped up in all the hysteria that's being pumped out by the mccain campaign and right-wing media. that's just sad, man.

[WorthyStevens]

Nothing more than a spin job. I mean, Obama befriends and works along side an unrepentant terrorist, but to you that's not a big deal.

Bill Ayers, since the '60s, has become an upstanding citizen. He has since 'repented' since his activist days.

[redfirebird2008]

He has since 'repented' since his activist days.

No, he hasn't. He's said he would do it again.

[kainedamo]

No, he hasn't. He's said he would do it again.

Did he say that he would bomb again?

[SentinelMind]

He said he had wished he did more back then...hardly repented.

[kainedamo]

He said he had wished he did more back then...hardly repented.

Again, was he talking about bombing?

Or was he talking about activism/protesting in general?

And what has it got to do with Obama? Ayers said he "wished he did more" years after Obama and Ayers worked together.

It has nothing to do with Obama.

[redfirebird2008]

He said he had wished he did more back then...hardly repented.

Exactly.

[kainedamo]

If you want to continue the guilt by association game, then tell me why McCain accepted endorsement from the republican that headed the board Obama and Ayers worked on?

[StorminNorman]

Why? Unless you're being sarcastic, you have many other qualified people involved in the Republican party. I present example A:
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee144/rdh007/mittromney.jpg
Don't make Mitt cry. ;)

I love me some Romney, but I would rather have multiple candidates I could support.

Though a ticket featuring Romney and Palin is good with me.

[Prison Mike]

A McCain/Romney ticket would have made the election more interesting but failin' Palin over here messed things up for the GOP. I would not vote for any ticket that has Palin in it.

[sinewave]

No, he hasn't. He's said he would do it again.

He said he had wished he did more back then...hardly repented.

in his own words:

"It's impossible to get to be my age and not have plenty of regrets. The one thing I don't regret is opposing the war in Vietnam with every ounce of my being.

"During the Vietnam war, the Weather Underground took credit for bombing several government installations as a dramatic form of armed propaganda. Action was taken against symbolic targets in order to declare a state of emergency. But warnings were always called in, and by design no one was ever hurt.

"When I say, 'We didn't do enough,' a lot of people rush to think, 'That must mean, "We didn't bomb enough s---."' But that's not the point at all. It's not a tactical statement, it's an obvious political and ethical statement. In this context, 'we' means 'everyone.'

[StorminNorman]

Romney was the best Republican candidate to place against Obama - McCain was a better opponent for Hillary.

Sadly Floridian Republicans are fools.

[sinewave]

I love me some Romney, but I would rather have multiple candidates I could support.

Though a ticket featuring Romney and Palin is good with me.

what do you see in palin that most others don't?

[StorminNorman]

in his own words:

"How do you feel about what you did? Would you do it again under similar circumstances? I've thought about this a lot. Being almost 60, it's impossible to not have lots and lots of regrets about lots and lots of things, but the question of did we do something that was horrendous, awful? ... I don't think so."

[StorminNorman]

what do you see in palin that most others don't?

What I love most about Palin is the fact she took on the Republican GOP in Alaska - I think we need a President who is willing to hold both parties in check.

To me partisanship is the biggest issue - I think it is the biggest danger facing this country and I want leadership that can best help limit its influence.

[kainedamo]

"How do you feel about what you did? Would you do it again under similar circumstances? I've thought about this a lot. Being almost 60, it's impossible to not have lots and lots of regrets about lots and lots of things, but the question of did we do something that was horrendous, awful? ... I don't think so."

How many people did they kill?

[StorminNorman]

How many people did they kill?

The question is not how many people did they kill - but how many people did they want to kill.

[kainedamo]

The question is not how many people did they kill - but how many people did they want to kill.

According to Ayers, they didn't want to hurt anyone.

Again I ask (this question gets ignored everytime I've asked it)...

If certain members of this board want to continue the guilt by association game, then tell me why McCain accepted endorsement from the republican that headed the board Obama and Ayers worked on?

[jaguarr]

What I love most about Palin is the fact she took on the Republican GOP in Alaska - I think we need a President who is willing to hold both parties in check.

To me partisanship is the biggest issue - I think it is the biggest danger facing this country and I want leadership that can best help limit its influence.

I believe corruption and abuse of power are far more dangerous than partisanship in our government. Palin has already shown, in her short little political career, that she has some serious issues with ethics. Call it a fatal character flaw.

jag

[rdh007]

What I love most about Palin is the fact she took on the Republican GOP in Alaska - I think we need a President who is willing to hold both parties in check.

To me partisanship is the biggest issue - I think it is the biggest danger facing this country and I want leadership that can best help limit its influence.

While I'm inclined to agree, and I'll admit I don't know the specifics, the mere fact that she became their nominee and enough support to win the election from Republicans tells me that she's as maverick-y as McCain in that where it counts--she's all partisan. But she's able to make some window dressing out of taking on her own party.

[StorminNorman]

I believe corruption and abuse of power are far more dangerous than partisanship in our government. Palin has already shown, in her short little political career, that she has some serious issues with ethics. Call it a fatal character flaw.

jag

I don't, but I don't want either in the White House.

I couldn't careless about Troopergate and am still skeptical of the investigation. Palin's record has long been of stomping out corruption as well. I still believe she is a reformer - I disagree with many of her politics, but I think she would be a better executive than either Obama or McCain.

[jaguarr]

I don't, but I don't want either in the White House.

I couldn't careless about Troopergate and am still skeptical of the investigation. Palin's record has long been of stomping out corruption as well. I still believe she is a reformer - I disagree with many of her politics, but I think she would be a better executive than either Obama or McCain.

And I believe she is a small-minded, selfish person who abuses her positions of power (which she obviously has an unquenchable thirst for). Troopergate. Minergate. Tax evasion questions. Questions about her attempts to enforce her morality on others. No...this is not a person who should have power in this country.

jag

[sinewave]

"How do you feel about what you did? Would you do it again under similar circumstances? I've thought about this a lot. Being almost 60, it's impossible to not have lots and lots of regrets about lots and lots of things, but the question of did we do something that was horrendous, awful? ... I don't think so."

he also said the only thing he doesn't regret is fighting against the vietnam war, which, if you put 2 and 2 together, sounds like he does indeed regret his actions.

What I love most about Palin is the fact she took on the Republican GOP in Alaska - I think we need a President who is willing to hold both parties in check.

To me partisanship is the biggest issue - I think it is the biggest danger facing this country and I want leadership that can best help limit its influence.

that's it? that she'll take on her own party? how about her understanding of national and international issues? how about her qualifications? how about her reasoning skills?

The question is not how many people did they kill - but how many people did they want to kill.

again, here's his direct quote: "warnings were always called in, and by design no one was ever hurt."

[Carcharodon]

What I love most about Palin is the fact she took on the Republican GOP in Alaska - I think we need a President who is willing to hold both parties in check.

To me partisanship is the biggest issue - I think it is the biggest danger facing this country and I want leadership that can best help limit its influence.We'll just overlook the fact that she's not fit in the slightest to hold any executive office. :dry:

[Carcharodon]

The question is not how many people did they kill - but how many people did they want to kill.What the ****? Seriously dude? I didn't realize that WANTING to kill people was a crime. People WANT to kill people all the time, it's whether they act upon it that matters.

You've been continually stretching here; it's getting sad.

[jaguarr]

We'll just overlook the fact that she's not fit in the slightest to hold any executive office. :dry:

Honestly, her executive experience is questionable at best, too. Leaving a small town $30 Million dollars in debt? Finishing the Road To Nowhere long after the bridge it was supposed to connect to was finished? These are not the marks of a fiscally responsible executive.

jag

[Fading]

And I believe she is a small-minded, selfish person who abuses her positions of power (which she obviously has an unquenchable thirst for). Troopergate. Minergate. Tax evasion questions. Questions about her attempts to enforce her morality on others. No...this is not a person who should have power in this country.

jag

It's funny, for being a "Washington outsider" it looks to me like she has the questionable ethics, and scandal part down.

As for her running the country, I worry more about her competence than anything else. Ignore the Couric interviews, the belief that human's rode Dinosaurs, ect. Ignore that she had to go to like 5 diff colleges over 6 or so years to complete a 4 year course in journalism or whatever. She has shown me nothing in the way of intelligence to make me confident that she can run anything more than a bake sale. She's there to look pretty and bring in votes, not make decisions that affect an entire country in a huge financial crisis and is in a war.

[StorminNorman]

that's it? that she'll take on her own party? how about her understanding of national and international issues? how about her qualifications? how about her reasoning skills?

I don't doubt her reasoning skills, but the qualifications - the experience with national issues, they aren't nearly as important to me. A good executive surrounds him/herself with experts which is exactly what Palin would do.

Washington's greatest success was appointing Jefferson and Hamilton in his cabinet.

[StorminNorman]

What the ****? Seriously dude? I didn't realize that WANTING to kill people was a crime. People WANT to kill people all the time, it's whether they act upon it that matters.

LOL.

This is baffling. Truly ridiculous. Down right stupid, really.

The Weathermen...did act. They...bombed buildings.

Now whether they actually MEANT to kill may be debatable - but bombings aren't exactly peaceful protest, I am not giving the group the benefit of the doubt there.

[redfirebird2008]

I don't doubt her reasoning skills, but the qualifications - the experience with national issues, they aren't nearly as important to me. A good executive surrounds him/herself with experts which is exactly what Palin would do.

Washington's greatest success was appointing Jefferson and Hamilton in his cabinet.

I'm sure you said the same thing about GWB. Look how that's turned out. He surrounded himself with decades of Washington insider experience and has had a disaster of an administration.

[Carcharodon]

I don't doubt her reasoning skills, but the qualifications - the experience with national issues, they aren't nearly as important to me. A good executive surrounds him/herself with experts which is exactly what Palin would do.

Washington's greatest success was appointing Jefferson and Hamilton in his cabinet.Oh good, so being that Obama has quite a bit more experience than she does, we won't be bringing up his experience issues anymore will we? :whatever:

[StorminNorman]

We'll just overlook the fact that she's not fit in the slightest to hold any executive office. :dry:

Since I think this is completely and utterly untrue, yes I will overlook that "fact".:huh:

[The Chairman]

What does Ayres have to do with Obama aside from a few chance meetings on advisory panels and one or two fundraisers? Is Obama a terrorist? Is he just going to sit back and watch America burn while he's in power? Will he blow sutff up?

Even if Obama did share Wright and Ayre's views, he's smart enough not to enforce any of them into policy, because he'd be assassinated right then and there.

Also, doesn't McCain have a connection to G. Gordon Liddy, who committed or at least planned various crimes under Nixon's orders? Oh, wait, he did it under the guise of "It's for my country." Well, at least we knew where McCain gets his ideas for buzz words. :whatever:

[Carcharodon]

LOL.

This is baffling. Truly ridiculous. Down right stupid, really.

The Weathermen...did act. They...bombed buildings.

Now whether they actually MEANT to kill may be debatable - but bombings aren't exactly peaceful protest, I am not giving the group the benefit of the doubt there.It's not as stupid as believing Palin would make a good President, so I guess we'll call it even.

[StorminNorman]

I'm sure you said the same thing about GWB. Look how that's turned out. He surrounded himself with decades of Washington insider experience and has had a disaster of an administration.

Yes - Bush surrounded himself with poor people, but I am not going to fault Palin for Bush's mistakes. I don't think there is any politician who is well versed enough on every issue to make decision without consultation.

Oh good, so being that Obama has quite a bit more experience than she does, we won't be bringing up his experience issues anymore will we? :whatever:

Your point would be valid...if I ever argued that Obama didn't have the experience needed to be President.

[Carcharodon]

Your point would be valid...if I ever argued that Obama didn't have the experience needed to be President.I'm skeptical, but okay, my bad. :up:

[StorminNorman]

It's not as stupid as believing Palin would make a good President, so I guess we'll call it even.

LOL I love your complete and utter lack of argument. Pathetic.

[Carcharodon]

LOL I love your complete and utter lack of argument. Pathetic.What the hell can I say that hasn't already been said? She's a MORON. Sorry.

[StorminNorman]

What the hell can I say that hasn't already been said? She's a MORON. Sorry.

Again - I completely and utterly disagree. Your own personal opinion on her is not fact.

[Carcharodon]

Again - I completely and utterly disagree. Your own personal opinion on her is not fact.Duh? :huh: Was that ever in question? Would you like me to create a Captain Obvious costume for you to wear?

[The Chairman]

What the hell can I say that hasn't already been said? She's a MORON. Sorry.

Agreed. I am still pissed that people are up in arms over Obama's fringe connection to Ayre's than Palin's direct relation to seccessionists.

I also think if we popped her head open, more clean air would be released into our atmosphere than they're currently is. But that's just me.

[redfirebird2008]

Yes - Bush surrounded himself with poor people, but I am not going to fault Palin for Bush's mistakes. I don't think there is any politician who is well versed enough on every issue to make decision without consultation.

My point here is that I don't think Palin is in your wing of the party, namely the fiscally conservative wing. She is in with the fundamentalists just like Bush, ie INSANE liberal spending with staunchly conservative social views. I think there's a split in the party and Palin belongs with the people who have been screwing up for the last 8 years. Perhaps one day she will be President and prove me wrong, but I'll remain skeptical.

[The Chairman]

My point here is that I don't think Palin is in your wing of the party, namely the fiscally conservative wing. She is in with the fundamentalists just like Bush, ie INSANE liberal spending with staunchly conservative social views. I think there's a split in the party and Palin belongs with the people who have been screwing up for the last 8 years. Perhaps one day she will be President and prove me wrong, but I'll remain skeptical.

You completely summed up my view on her. Most Republicans I know hate Palin and think that McCain completely dropped the ball by choosing her.

[StorminNorman]

Duh? :huh: Was that ever in question? Would you like me to create a Captain Obvious costume for you to wear?

Well considering your only response to my original post about Palin was "yes, ignore the fact she is a moron" or something along the lines - it would tend to seem that you were trying to make the case.

[StorminNorman]

My point here is that I don't think Palin is in your wing of the party, namely the fiscally conservative wing. She is in with the fundamentalists just like Bush, ie INSANE liberal spending with staunchly conservative social views. I think there's a split in the party and Palin belongs with the people who have been screwing up for the last 8 years. Perhaps one day she will be President and prove me wrong, but I'll remain skeptical.

I don't. I think McCain has become apart of the insane liberal spending split and Palin has been forced to keep on message as such. I think Palin is a fiscal conservative with staunchly conservative social views.

[Carcharodon]

Well considering your only response to my original post about Palin was "yes, ignore the fact she is a moron" or something along the lines - it would tend to seem that you were trying to make the case.The term "moron" is completely relative, though. I'm not stupid enough to subscribe to some absolute scale of idiocy or anything, and I'm certainly not going to preface every single statement with "IMO." Of course it's an opinion; it's impossible for it NOT to be opinion.

[redfirebird2008]

I don't. I think McCain has become apart of the insane liberal spending split and Palin has been forced to keep on message as such. I think Palin is a fiscal conservative with staunchly conservative social views.

What did Bush promise?

[StorminNorman]

What did Bush promise?

...

Again - I am not going to penalize Palin for the sins of Bush.

[redfirebird2008]

...

Again - I am not going to penalize Palin for the sins of Bush.

I'm not penalizing her. I'll gladly admit I'm wrong if she gets in office and actually lives up to her promises, but that wing of the Republican Party is delusional. They can promise fiscal responsibility all they want, but in the end they're full of it.

[StorminNorman]

I'm not penalizing her. I'll gladly admit I'm wrong if she gets in office and actually lives up to her promises, but that wing of the Republican Party is delusional. They can promise fiscal responsibility all they want, but in the end they're full of it.

Again, though, this rationale assumes that she is apart of THAT wing of the Republican Party.

[bunk]

Palin's response to the findings:

After the results of the investigation were released, Palin, the Republican vice presidential nominee, was asked by a reporter if she abused her power as governor. She replied, "No, and if you read the report you'll see that there was nothing unlawful or unethical about replacing a cabinet member. You gotta read the report, sir."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27130436/

[Carcharodon]

...is she retarded? Didn't they actually find that the firing WAS unethical? :huh:

[ShadowBoxing]

I don't doubt her reasoning skills, but the qualifications - the experience with national issues, they aren't nearly as important to me. A good executive surrounds him/herself with experts which is exactly what Palin would do.
George W. Bush did the same thing, and it's a failed philosophy started by Reagan. He believed a great man was in fact an average man who surrounds himself with the best, which is, in my opinion, retarded. George W. Bush had, for all his faults, the single most qualified cabinet and group of advisers of any President in United States History. In fact it was my own grandfather, a liberal who formed the United Nations, ran several companies and the Foreign Policy Association, that said George H. W. Bush (his father) was the most qualified man to ever become President, and look how his son turned out. He adopted most of the "fine" men his father surrounded himself with. There is no question to me that Cheney and Rumsfeld are intelligent, but they also screwed up the country. Palin would essentially set us up for another fall.
Washington's greatest success was appointing Jefferson and Hamilton in his cabinet.
...Neither of whom had any experience running a country. Oh, and Washington did NOT appoint them.

[Carcharodon]

FDR didn't actually have a plan, though during his campaign he was promising his "New Deal." Instead of surrounding himself with advisors, however, he took a far more novel (and effective) approach:

He would have multiple economists and other people secretly assigned to the same projects (in other words, have multiple people working on the same project without telling any of them). Then he'd call them into his office and let them tear each other's devised plans and strategies to shreds. He'd then pick up the "pieces" and form new plans implementing the remaining ideas from all of the devised plans.

It was genius.

[Fading]

Classic denial, but an odd one. At the least she should just have said, "no laws were broken", and not mentioned ethics since the report said she was unethical in regards to letting Todd use her office. Maybe she should have read the report herself lol.

[ShadowBoxing]

She is such a Todd.