The Sarah Palin Thread (You can see Russia from this thread)

[jaguarr]

http://cbs2.com/local/Sarah.Palin.mannequin.2.849299.html

It's in poor taste any time of the year. :down

jag

[BlackLantern]

^^^********...it's no different from someone having a ghost with Obama painted on it hanging upside down in their front yard

[CaptainClown]

ya, shouldn't have happened. I don't like Palin but CC doesn't support that image.

[jaguarr]

^^^********...it's no different from someone having a ghost with Obama painted on it hanging upside down in their front yard

Agreed, though the racial overtones of what that guy did with the "Obama Ghost" and the noose are a little more out of line, IMHO. Neither situation is acceptable, though.

ya, shouldn't have happened. I don't like Palin but CC doesn't support that image.

The Party does not allow speaking of one's self in third-person comrade. Please rectify the error of your ways or it will be done for you.

jag

[CaptainClown]

The Party does not allow speaking of one's self in third-person comrade. Please rectify the error of your ways or it will be done for you.

jag
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x250/captain_ClownhaHa/Joethecommie.jpg
Sorry comrade Joe. We are all Joe...

[jaguarr]

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x250/captain_ClownhaHa/Joethecommie.jpg
Sorry comrade Joe. We are all Joe...

Thank you, Joe. Your compliance will reflect well on your record.

jag

[Fading]

It's in poor taste any time of the year. :down

jag

Agreed, it's defintely in poor taste.

[danoyse]

It's in poor taste any time of the year. :down

jag

Definitely. That's awful. And he think's it should "seen as art"? Give me a break. :whatever:

[danoyse]

Great editorial from the NY Daily News today:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/10/26/2008-10-26_hey_sarah_palin_there_are_real_american_.html?p age=1

Hey, Sarah Palin, there are real American heroes, even here in New York City

This is what Sarah Palin said not long ago at a fund-raiser in North Carolina, as she once again decided she was ready to speak for America: "We believe the best of America is in these small towns that we get to visit, and in these wonderful pockets of what I call the real America, being here with all you hardworking, very patriotic, um, very pro-America areas of this great country ... those who are protecting us in uniform. Those who are protecting the virtues of freedom."

Palin would later try to qualify these comments, perhaps because one of her handlers pointed out that she sounded like she came from Wingnut, Alaska, not Wasilla. But you know she meant what she said, far from the big cities about which she and John McCain keep sneering.

Only here was one more wonderful pocket of America yesterday that Gov. Palin knows absolutely nothing about, in one of those big cities, the City of New York.

Here was the building on Simpson St. in the Bronx, where Deon Taylor, a hero of New York and his country, lived before he died last Wednesday in Afghanistan.

If you read this newspaper last week, you know more about Taylor in death than you did in life. He was an NYPD narcotics officer in Brooklyn,a member of the New York National Guard, and was on his second tour in Afghanistan. You hope that he was real enough and pro-America enough for Palin.

This is not just the end of one of the dumbest, meanest Republican campaigns in history. It is also the most divisive. It is no longer liberals vs. conservatives, one ideology against another, one party against the other.

It is Us vs. Them.

If you listen closely to this coded talk about small-town America and small-town values, you wonder how someone like Taylor - if he had been following this campaign instead of fighting for his country - wouldn't have started to get the idea that he was somehow one of Them.

Outside his building yesterday were two handmade signs produced by the children of the St. Angela Merici School. "You are our hero," one said, over a picture of Taylor.

The sign next to it had an American flag drawn on it, and the message: "We will pray for his son." There was a wreath hanging in front of a second-floor balcony and above that, another American flag.

This was the best of America, on Simpson St. in the Bronx.

"He fought for our city as a policeman and then went off to fight for our country," neighbor Tony Aybar was saying. "I don't know if people always think of somebody like Deon as a great American. But he was."

There was a son from a previous relationship and a fiancée, Caitlin, waiting for him. He won't see his son or fiancée again, or the new Yankee stadium, or the way the city looks from the air when you are finally coming home from across the world. Taylor was 30. You wondered if he ever thought of himself as some kind of elitist because he came from here.

In North Carolina, Palin said, "This is where we find the goodness and the courage of everyday Americans." But you really find it everywhere, not just with the yahoos who cheer her at rallies and jeer at the mention of Obama's name.

Yesterday, you found the goodness and courage of everyday Americans near the place where Simpson St. ends in a culde-sac a few yards from Taylor's building, this quiet street, with some green grass and trees, where Taylor was becoming a part of the quiet royalty of his city.

"At least people know about him now," Aybar said.

It did not take long for this campaign, with a whiff of power and celebrity, to bring out the worst in the Alaska governor. She got picked out of the chorus and now has decided that if she keeps playing to these "pockets" of America, she can actually be President someday. But it has also brought out the worst in Mc-Cain, too, who began selling his soul by selecting her as his running mate. Palin clearly doesn't know any better. Mc-Cain does, or at least used to before he lost his way.

The way they've dumbed down this campaign, you wonder if either one of them really knows what the "real" America is anymore. Or if they could find it with a road map, of Simpson St. or anyplace else?

[CaptainClown]

After reading about all her blunders, I really want her to run in 2012. I think that the republican primaries will be the funniest thing ever.

[jaguarr]

Great editorial from the NY Daily News today:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/10/26/2008-10-26_hey_sarah_palin_there_are_real_american_.html?p age=1

:up:

jag

[CaptainClown]

^Those kind of articles make me proud to be an American. Then someone spouts stuff about being a real American then I :facepalm.

[Matt]

Y'know what, both sides are wrong. I'm going to let Dwight K. Schrute school you on what it means to be a hero:

A hero kills people, people that wish him harm. A hero is part human and part supernatural. A hero is born out of a childhood trauma, or out of a disaster, that must be avenged. We all have a hero in our heart.


And his follow up thoughts:

No, don't call me a hero. Do you know who the real heroes are? The guys who wake up every morning and go into their normal jobs and get a distress call from the commissioner and take off their glasses and change into capes and fly around, fighting crime. Those are the real heroes. I am not a hero. I am a mere defender of the office. You know who's a real hero? Hiro, from Heroes. That's a hero... Also, Bono.

[Prison Mike]

Dwight had it right all along!

[Marx]

And a good majority of what his non-supporters assume, unfortunately.

I mention this other board I read all the time. A woman there mentioned that this weekend she took her 12-year-old son to an Obama rally. Her son is disabled and wears braces on his legs, so he was in a lot of pain at the end of waiting through a long day for the Obama speech.

But they were close enough that he got to shake Obama's hand and he told her son that he liked his t-shirt. Her son was thrilled at that and and told her his legs didn't even hurt anymore. She posted that, and the *other* side all started posting how this woman is claiming that Obama 'healed' her son. They were really nasty about it...just another Obama sheep, right? :whatever:

All this person did was post how excited her son was to meet Barack Obama. He's still disabled, his legs still hurt...but he was just so excited in that moment that he pushed aside. They go through a lot, she was just happy for him. He's only 12.

That makes me smile. I think it's great that meeting Obama meant so much to this child. And it's just flat out wrong to dismiss all of that because of your contempt for Obama. You know? Some people just need to get over it!


There are plenty of Obama supporters living in the real world who know that Obama is human and things are going to take a very long time to fix. It's annoying when people just assume you're blinded by his rock-star persona.

Exactly Dan.

[Addendum]

Bono? A hero? Doesn't he tell people in concerts that everytime he claps his hands a kid dies? And yet he still claps

[hippie_hunter]

You're leaving out Oregon. Merkley has led in most polls since August against Gordon Smith, and last time I checked he had a 6-point lead.

59 seats may be more likely.

For some reason I thought the Democrats already had Oregon.

[Manic]

Bono? A hero? Doesn't he tell people in concerts that everytime he claps his hands a kid dies? And yet he still claps
That rotten bastard. :cmad:

[The Senator]

For some reason I thought the Democrats already had Oregon.

Nope. The have Oregon locked away for a win, but Gordon Smith is a Republican.

[Knives]

Someone yelled "he's a n****r!" at a Palin rally. Looks like she clearly heard it since she kind of stuttered when it was shouted, but she ignored it and went on. Pathetic:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9T0FI2axbU

[Manic]

I'm half-joking when I say this: I keep expecting Sarah Palin to get so caught up in one of her speeches that she just lets loose and shouts "Let's send that sand-stomping n***** back where he belongs!"

[Manic]

laggity lag lag

[CaptainClown]

I'm half-joking when I say this: I keep expecting Sarah Palin to get so caught up in one of her speeches that she just lets loose and shouts "Let's send that sand-stomping n***** back where he belongs!"
I think its funny as well as scary that I can imagine that actually happening.

[Marx]

EFFIGY OF PALIN HANGING BY NOOSE 'ALL IN GOOD FUN', OWNER SAYS
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/27/effigy-palin-hanging-noose-halloween-fun-says-owner/





(I don't care what side of the aisle you lay claim to...this is just not right. Crap like this needs to stop! http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon13.gif)

[The Senator]

EFFIGY OF PALIN HANGING BY NOOSE 'ALL IN GOOD FUN', OWNER SAYS
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/27/effigy-palin-hanging-noose-halloween-fun-says-owner/





(I don't care what side of the aisle you lay claim to...this is just not right. Crap like this needs to stop! http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon13.gif)

This is not acceptable, even if it was done in "good fun."

[Manic]

An effigy of a current political candidate hanging by a noose. How the hell is that fun?

[CaptainClown]

An effigy of a current political candidate hanging by a noose. How the hell is that fun?
kids thought it was a pinata

[Manic]

Whatever happened to rainbow-colored horses?

[CaptainClown]

They aren't as fun as a red maverick.

[spideyboy_1111]

They aren't as fun as a red maverick.

this is true

[Kelly]

All I can say is......had that been Obama, the guy would be in jail for "hate crimes"

[CaptainClown]

There was an Obama noose one but it was a ghost not Obama. However both of these should be called hate crimes.

[The Incredible Hulk]

All I can say is......had that been Obama, the guy would be in jail for "hate crimes"

As completely foolish and repulsive as this act is, there's a bit of a different connotation when you show a black man hanging from a noose.

[Matt]

Hey, another 827 posts and we can have a Palin thread 2.0.

[Franklin Richards]

All crimes are "hate crimes"

"Man, I hate not having money! Let's go rob a house."

:thing: :doom: :thing:

[danoyse]

An effigy of a current political candidate hanging by a noose. How the hell is that fun?

It's disgusting. This is mostly celebrated as a holiday for kids--they should not have to look at political effigies on someone's lawn.

[spideyboy_1111]

It's disgusting. This is mostly celebrated as a holiday for kids--they should not have to look at political effigies on someone's lawn.

thats EXTREMELY debatable these days... Halloween and "trick or treat" are 2 way different things to me. the kid's holiday "trick or treating" just so happens to usually fall on Halloween, though in most cases, if its a school night, its even set to a different, separate date then Halloween. It's tough to argue who celebrates Halloween more 1-13 year old or 14-100 because i see many many adults celebrate Halloween.

I think it's wrong to show "killing" of any set person, but its loads of difference if there's a hate or motive behind it. McCain/Palin rallies have proven time and time again they have had "fans" yell out racial slurs and "off with there head" and "kill him" comments. That is unacceptable, and puts a hanging obama in a whole nother category imo. Those people mean it.

[danoyse]

Campbell Brown sticks up for Sarah Palin - and I completely agree with her:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/27/campbell.brown.palin.diva/index.html

Commentary: Embracing your inner diva

(CNN) -- It was big news when this story broke over the weekend -- a shocking quote from an adviser to John McCain, calling Sarah Palin a "diva."

You see, apparently the McCain campaign is frustrated with Palin. They say she is "going rogue" -- not following orders, speaking for herself without running it past their people first.

Her people say she is trying to "bust free" of the damaging and mismanaged rollout of her candidacy. So the McCain campaign, in its frustration, is now speaking to the media, trying to put her in her place.

And what this McCain adviser said is that Sarah Palin is a diva. A diva who takes advice from no one. A diva who is playing for her own future.

"Remember: Divas trust only unto themselves, as they see themselves as the beginning and end of all wisdom," the adviser said.

Let's just start with the word diva. It is obviously a sexist slight -- a term that is only applied to women, almost always in a derogatory way. It's usually applied to women who are viewed as overly ambitious. It is applied to demanding women, to women who follow their own path.

There is really no equivalent word for men -- except maybe "successful."

So, with that in mind, I applaud Sarah Palin, or any other woman, for embracing her inner diva and "busting free" of what she believes is a damaging situation.

But we are going to go easy on the Helen Reddy here, because what is really pathetic about all of this is the hypocrisy.

Almost from the moment Sarah Palin was announced as McCain's running mate, the McCain campaign has accused the media of sexism. And sure, in some cases, questions were raised that were sexist in nature -- much the same way that Hillary Clinton had to deal with sexism in the primary race. We are not yet a society free of sexism and this will continue to be an issue for all women candidates.

But by and large, the questions raised about Sarah Palin have been about her qualifications and her experience.

So now, for the McCain campaign to attack its own candidate in the most overtly sexist way, calling her a diva, is beyond ridiculous. Whoever this anonymous adviser is should be ashamed, or at the very least, have the courage to say it on the record.

As someone who urged the McCain campaign early on to free Sarah Palin so that the American people could have the opportunity to find out who she is and whether or not she is qualified for the job, I applaud Gov. Palin for finally tossing those shackles aside.

Because Governor, if it were Mitt Romney, Joe Lieberman or Tom Ridge standing in your shoes right now, being mismanaged the way you feel you are, I can assure you they would have tapped into their inner divas and tossed those advisers aside a long time ago.

[RockSP]

There was an Obama noose one but it was a ghost not Obama. However both of these should be called hate crimes.

A ghost, a/k/a a spook. He was so clever.

All crimes are "hate crimes"


:dry:

[CaptainClown]

A ghost, a/k/a a spook. He was so clever.

Oh no I got it, just am going to give this persona the benefit of the doubt.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Campbell Brown sticks up for Sarah Palin - and I completely agree with her:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/27/campbell.brown.palin.diva/index.html

I usually agree with 99.9% I've ever seen you post here but I'm going to beg to differ on this one. If McCain's campaign is telling her to "cool it" she should probably oblige a bit more considering if it wasnt for McCain, no one outside of Alaska would have any clue as to who she is. He's basically risked his entire politcal career by choosing her as a running mate, and many point to him choosing her as the point where it took a turn for the worse.

And this just doesnt just apply to Palin. I think most VP candidates should probably just tow the line for their running mate at this point and not be on the lookout for themselves. Win or lose does Palin really have much of a national political career after this election?

[Prison Mike]

I usually agree with 99.9% I've ever seen you post here but I'm going to beg to differ on this one. If McCain's campaign is telling her to "cool it" she should probably oblige a bit more considering if it wasnt for McCain, no one outside of Alaska would have any clue as to who she is. He's basically risked his entire politcal career by choosing her as a running mate, and many point to him choosing her as the point where it took a turn for the worse.

And this just doesnt just apply to Palin. I think most VP candidates should probably just tow the line for their running mate at this point and not be on the lookout for themselves. Win or lose does Palin really have much of a national political career after this election?

God, I hope not.

[jaguarr]

I usually agree with 99.9% I've ever seen you post here but I'm going to beg to differ on this one. If McCain's campaign is telling her to "cool it" she should probably oblige a bit more considering if it wasnt for McCain, no one outside of Alaska would have any clue as to who she is. He's basically risked his entire politcal career by choosing her as a running mate, and many point to him choosing her as the point where it took a turn for the worse.

And this just doesnt just apply to Palin. I think most VP candidates should probably just tow the line for their running mate at this point and not be on the lookout for themselves. Win or lose does Palin really have much of a national political career after this election?

Palin THINKS she has a national political career after this election, thus her actions of late. I think McCain's pretty much ended his own political career in part by choosing her, personally.

jag

[CaptainClown]

God, I hope not.
really? I hope she does. She is hilarious and it makes turning on the news more amusing. I guess its my inner schadenfreude that makes me want to see her remain in politics.

[Ahura Mazda]

She certainly has created a profile for herself and if she has any intelligence will moderate her views as well as educate hereself to come back in 4 years. I wouldn't be surprised if the generaly public voted for her in such a case.

It would be sad but not altogether impossible.

[danoyse]

I usually agree with 99.9% I've ever seen you post here but I'm going to beg to differ on this one. If McCain's campaign is telling her to "cool it" she should probably oblige a bit more considering if it wasnt for McCain, no one outside of Alaska would have any clue as to who she is. He's basically risked his entire politcal career by choosing her as a running mate, and many point to him choosing her as the point where it took a turn for the worse.

And this just doesnt just apply to Palin. I think most VP candidates should probably just tow the line for their running mate at this point and not be on the lookout for themselves. Win or lose does Palin really have much of a national political career after this election?

I'm one of the Politics mods, I've been posting here for months. :huh:

For the record, I can't stand Sarah Palin. And I've seen enough of Campbell Brown over the last few months to know she's not much of a fan, either.

But I think the point she's trying to make is that the McCain campaign knows that she's a disaster for them right now and think they need to reel her in--but it's their own fault this happened in the first place. Instead they're taking the route they've been blasting the media about for months and using sexist talk to discredit her.

They picked her out of nowhere, they hid her from the press, they spent $150,000 dressing her and her family up like rock stars. They sent her out to make a fool of herself in interviews. She's trying to save herself right now.

Supposedly she's the outsider who's going to shake things up...now she's doing just that, and it's a problem for them that she won't tow the line. How hypocritical. :whatever:

[The Senator]

All I can say is......had that been Obama, the guy would be in jail for "hate crimes"

There would have been an investigation into the motives behind each incident, because technically women are covered under several states' hate crime laws. Hate crime charges are usually not filed unless there is considerable malice behind the acts. Those who hung the effigy of Obama did so out of hate and even admitted it; this guy apparently did so because he found it "humorous" and wanted to show some political humor around Halloween.

Needless to say, the act is deplorable and I'm glad he has received negative attention for this; however, unless there is proof that he did this on the basis of gender to "send a message" to women, this does not qualify as a hate crime.

[The Incredible Hulk]

I'm one of the Politics mods, I've been posting here for months. :huh:

typo on my part, I meant to say "I agree with 99.99% of the stuff that I've seen you post here."

mi grammer aint so gud

[Fading]

Campbell Brown sticks up for Sarah Palin - and I completely agree with her:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/27/campbell.brown.palin.diva/index.html

It's McCain's own fault. He chose an unknown because she's pretty, and he thought he could use her to gain that Hillary movement. He didn't vet her properly, he apparently didn't even see if she'd agree to be completely on board with him. Because of this he adopted her controversies, he adopted her gaffes, her horrible interviews, and her unwillingness to be a team player.

His campaign has become a joke, and a lot of it is because he invited ppl to be on his team to please voters (a Rovian campaign group complete with robocalls, and Palin), and it's bit him in the ass by running a campaign he used to despise. At the end of the day McCain has to live with these choices, and a seeming unwillingness to put his foot down and stop tactics he used to speak out against.

[Fading]

As for Palin, she of course should take blame as well, but it really does fall more on McCain than her since he's the top of the ticket. However she chose to be his VP, and still doesn't know what a VP does....she should have looked it up the second she accepted the nomination, if not years ago when she became a politician. She also should realize if McCain goes down, it does hurt her as well. She should try to be on the same page and support her ticket. Going diva may work for a reality show, or a celebrity, but not for a presidential and VP team that are supposed to support eachother to win.

It really is an ugly situation. McCain's campaign is attacking one of it's own while it's down in the polls. Palin is refusing to work as a well oiled unit to get things back on track. Everyday something new and damaging comes out about their campaign. It really is a trainwreck.

[C.F. Kane]

Campbell Brown sticks up for Sarah Palin - and I completely agree with her:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/27/campbell.brown.palin.diva/index.html

I disagree. There is a male counterpart to diva. A man who trusts only unto themselves and sees himself as the beginning and end of all wisdom, is a maverick.

McCain's campaign is trashing her for out-mavericking the maverick.

[jaguarr]

Like I said before, many, many pit bull owners who train their dogs to attack wind up getting bit by that same dog themselves. :o

jag

[RockSP]

Only if they try to put lipstick on them.

[Marx]

Hey, another 827 posts and we can have a Palin thread 2.0.

*puts hands up in the air for a brief second*

Woo!

Did you see that? That right there was me jumping for joy! :dry:

:hehe:

[Fading]

Like I said before, many, many pit bull owners who train their dogs to attack wind up getting bit by that same dog themselves. :o

jag

Palin's a 'special' breed of maverick pitbull tho, one who wears lipstick, and hunts moose. Even if she starts barking at random rocks and biting anyone that tries to pet it, ppl still still think she's cute and forego sueing you.


Edit - Hmm....wonder what the plural of Moose is? Mooses doesn't sound quite right....is it gaggle? A gaggle of Moose?

[RockSP]

Meese. Or Meeses. Or Meesi.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Moose dont tend to travel in groups. They dont have a herd mentality. They're the "mavericks" of the large land animal family. ;)

[Fading]

*puts hands up in the air for a brief second*

Woo!

Did you see that? That right there was me jumping for joy! :dry:

:hehe:

I'm not happy....*sniff*...I heard at 10,000 posts Matt's going to take this thread behind his house and shoot it :(. Sure...it was getting a little old and senile, but couldn't we send it to a retirement home or something?

[Fading]

Moose dont tend to travel in groups. They dont have a herd mentality. They're the "mavericks" of the large land animal family. ;)

See, that's the thing tho. If Moose....es...don't travel in groups, then wouldn't the Maverick moose travel together? So we should have a name thought up for when they do. Palin and McCain showed us alrdy that 2 mavericky loners can work well together....for a few months....


A flock of moose maybe? Oh well, if Palin doesn't win she'll send them to extinction in rage with a high powered riffle from a helicopter anyway.

[Marx]

I'm not happy....*sniff*...I heard at 10,000 posts Matt's going to take this thread behind his house and shoot it :(. Sure...it was getting a little old and senile, but couldn't we send it to a retirement home or something?

:lmao:

That wasn't supposed to become public knowledge yet! It was classified!

[Lightning Strykez!]

It fills my heart with GLEE that in just one week this woman will likely no longer be relevant to the national scene. I am sick of looking at her. :dry:

[The Incredible Hulk]

I'm still renting "Who's Nailin' Palin?" though ;)

[Marx]

I'm still renting "Who's Nailin' Palin?" though ;)

I'm afraid I'll have to pass on that one.

[Marx]

It fills my heart with GLEE that in just one week this woman will likely no longer be relevant to the national scene. I am sick of looking at her. :dry:

I certainly hope so man.

[Lightning Strykez!]

Palin THINKS she has a national political career after this election, thus her actions of late. I think McCain's pretty much ended his own political career in part by choosing her, personally.

jag

I agree with you, but she's done as well. The woman has warm poo for brains. :whatever: Katie Couric, Charlie Gibson and Tina Fey will still be here in 2012. What will she do then?

[Raiden]

I agree with you, but she's done as well. The woman has warm poo for brains. :whatever: Katie Couric, Charlie Gibson and Tina Fey will still be here in 2012. What will she do then?

I'd like to think so, but many conservative GOP members seemed to believe she's the second coming of Reagan or something. Even if McCain lost and she subsequently loses her governorship, I think there will be enough people keeping her afloat for a chance at presidency in 4 years, which is a disturbing thought.

[Fading]

I agree with you, but she's done as well. The woman has warm poo for brains. :whatever: Katie Couric, Charlie Gibson and Tina Fey will still be here in 2012. What will she do then?

She'll make a sex tape, and then become a regular on Hollywood Squares alongside Whoopie Goldberg.

[Lightning Strykez!]

I'd like to think so, but many conservative GOP members seemed to believe she's the second coming of Reagan or something. Even if McCain lost and she subsequently loses her governorship, I think there will be enough people keeping her afloat for a chance at presidency in 4 years, which is a disturbing thought.

Not a chance. The GOP is not exactly the biggest part of the electorate. People--especially women--will remember how this governor was introduced as a faux Hillary Clinton bait, as well as all the other negatives she brought to the table in her short 15 minutes in the spotlight--and stay away from her.

She hasn't a prayer in 2012.:o

[Marx]

I'd like to think so, but many conservative GOP members seemed to believe she's the second coming of Reagan or something. Even if McCain lost and she subsequently loses her governorship, I think there will be enough people keeping her afloat for a chance at presidency in 4 years, which is a disturbing thought.

She's dellusional enough to run on her own.

[Fading]

I'd like to think so, but many conservative GOP members seemed to believe she's the second coming of Reagan or something. Even if McCain lost and she subsequently loses her governorship, I think there will be enough people keeping her afloat for a chance at presidency in 4 years, which is a disturbing thought.

I hope not. Thing is tho that the base that loves her still doesn't seem to be enough to get her and McCain in office. If she runs for president I can't see her winning, and I certainly hope she isn't even selected over other republicans to begin with. I do see her trying tho.


As a side note, what if they do win? I was just thinking how funny it is that even before election day McCain and Palin are having a falling out. Imagine if they have to work together for 8 years lol.

[The Incredible Hulk]

As a side note, what if they do win? I was just thinking how funny it is that even before election day McCain and Palin are having a falling out. Imagine if they have to work together for 8 years lol.

If the Democrats can't win this election, they'll never win another one in our lifetimes.

[kane9321]

It fills my heart with GLEE that in just one week this woman will likely no longer be relevant to the national scene. I am sick of looking at her. :dry:

I'm sick of hearing her voice....not tired of looking at her ...you betcha:woot:

[Marx]

I'm sick of hearing her voice....not tired of looking at her ...you betcha:woot:

Oh, come on...say it ain't so kane! :oldrazz:

[Visionary]

If the Democrats can't win this election, they'll never win another one in our lifetimes.This is so damn true.

[kane9321]

teheehe marx

[Holiday]

I think Sarah Palin is destined to be a pop culture footnote.

10 years from now on vh1's "I Love the 2000's" someone like Hal Sparks will be saying, "Wow! Sarah Palin? She was a three month folksy mess. What ever happened to her?".

That's what I hope for anyways.

[terry78]

I just saw that ep. of Family Guy where Stewie flashes back to the Wisconsin nymphomaniac, and I swear now I think of Palin everytime I see that scene.

[Lightning Strykez!]

I'm sick of hearing her voice....not tired of looking at her ...you betcha:woot:

Yes, gosh-darnit! Thanks but no thanks--I'll get back to ya! Also!

[Marx]

Yes, gosh-darnit! Thanks but no thanks--I'll get back to ya! Also!

:funny:

[ShadowBoxing]

I still kinda wanna hate f*** Palin.

[CaptainClown]

I still kinda wanna hate f*** Palin.
I sure as hell know I do.

[Marx]

I still kinda wanna hate f*** Palin.

I sure as hell know I do.

You guys just aren't right in the head.

[CaptainClown]

You guys just aren't right in the head.
You wouldn't be the first to tell me this, nor the last.

[ShadowBoxing]

You guys just aren't right in the head.
Please. Every man in here would hit it just to hear her say "Oh Gawd, Oh Crawp, Oh Gawd, Oh Crawp! OooooooooooooooOOOOOoooooooooooooooooh....you betcha!"

[Marx]

You wouldn't be the first to tell me this, nor the last.

:oldrazz:

[raybia]

I'm one of the Politics mods, I've been posting here for months. :huh:

For the record, I can't stand Sarah Palin. And I've seen enough of Campbell Brown over the last few months to know she's not much of a fan, either.

But I think the point she's trying to make is that the McCain campaign knows that she's a disaster for them right now and think they need to reel her in--but it's their own fault this happened in the first place. Instead they're taking the route they've been blasting the media about for months and using sexist talk to discredit her.

They picked her out of nowhere, they hid her from the press, they spent $150,000 dressing her and her family up like rock stars. They sent her out to make a fool of herself in interviews. She's trying to save herself right now.

Supposedly she's the outsider who's going to shake things up...now she's doing just that, and it's a problem for them that she won't tow the line. How hypocritical. :whatever:

They have created a monster that they can no longer control.

[Manic]

Please. Every man in here would hit it just to hear her say "Oh Gawd, Oh Crawp, Oh Gawd, Oh Crawp! OooooooooooooooOOOOOoooooooooooooooooh....you betcha!"
*death laughter*

[spideyboy_1111]

I think Sarah Palin is destined to be a pop culture footnote.

10 years from now on vh1's "I Love the 2000's" someone like Hal Sparks will be saying, "Wow! Sarah Palin? She was a three month folksy mess. What ever happened to her?".

That's what I hope for anyways.

she's the new bob dole...

[BlackLantern]

Please. Every man in here would hit it just to hear her say "Oh Gawd, Oh Crawp, Oh Gawd, Oh Crawp! OooooooooooooooOOOOOoooooooooooooooooh....you betcha!"

I think I need some alone time.....

[Matt]

she's the new bob dole...

Only if she wins. Bob Dole enjoyed years in the public eye, climaxing with his most humiliating defeat after 8 months of running a national campaign under national media scrutiny. If Palin loses after 2 months in the national spot light, she'll probably go away and be forgotten.

[AndrewGilkison]

If she wins, she will more likely be Dan Quayle than Bob Dole. Even if McCain gets lucky and wins this election, I doubt lighting will strike twice in 2012, and Palin would probably get to speak at the 2016 RNC before she falls off the face of the earth.

[The Senator]

Actually, I think it is safe to say Sarah Palin will turn out to be a much more kookier, much more irrelevant Geraldine Ferraro if she loses...

[Kelly]

Sarah Palin will end up with a talk show on Fox.

[Hobgoblin]

Sarah Palin will end up with a talk show on Fox.

Could be. I couldnt believe Huckabee is suddenly a talk show host.

[Marx]

Could be. I couldnt believe Huckabee is suddenly a talk show host.

*shivers*

[StrainedEyes]

Could be. I couldnt believe Huckabee is suddenly a talk show host.

It was reported that plenty of Hollywood producers were eager for a show with Palin, some kind of talk show, news show, or even a reality show about her insanely named family. Sadly, Alaskan law prohibits her from having a second job while she is Governor. :o

[jaguarr]

Sarah Palin will end up with a talk show on Fox.

"Welcome to Crazy Talk. I'm your host, Sarah, okayyoubetcha! Today, we're going to talk about the virtues of killing animals and saving unborn babies with Ted Nugent and then we'll spend some time with John Hagee discussing the beautiful power hurricanes have to wash the gay away! And now a word from our sponsor, Ovaltine! Also."

jag

[Marx]

"Welcome to Crazy Talk. I'm your host, Sarah, okayyoubetcha! Today, we're going to talk about the virtues of killing animals and saving unborn babies with Ted Nugent and then we'll spend some time with John Hagee discussing the beautiful power hurricanes have to wash the gay away! And now a word from our sponsor, Ovaltine! Also."

jag

Oh. My. God. :hehe:

[BlackLantern]

"Welcome to Crazy Talk. I'm your host, Sarah, okayyoubetcha! Today, we're going to talk about the virtues of killing animals and saving unborn babies with Ted Nugent and then we'll spend some time with John Hagee discussing the beautiful power hurricanes have to wash the gay away! And now a word from our sponsor, Ovaltine! Also."

jag

I would watch the first episode....maybe

[Addendum]

"Welcome to Crazy Talk. I'm your host, Sarah, okayyoubetcha! Today, we're going to talk about the virtues of killing animals and saving unborn babies with Ted Nugent and then we'll spend some time with John Hagee discussing the beautiful power hurricanes have to wash the gay away! And now a word from our sponsor, Ovaltine! Also."

jag

"You're watching the first half of The Artic Circle. Coming up next it's The Great White North"

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2a/Bob_and_Doug.jpg

[StrainedEyes]

I'm excited for Bristol Knows Best.

[danoyse]

Sarah Palin will end up with a talk show on Fox.

I think that's definitely going to happen. Fox can have her.

[kane9321]

"Welcome to Crazy Talk. I'm your host, Sarah, okayyoubetcha! Today, we're going to talk about the virtues of killing animals and saving unborn babies with Ted Nugent and then we'll spend some time with John Hagee discussing the beautiful power hurricanes have to wash the gay away! And now a word from our sponsor, Ovaltine! Also."

jag

that sounds about right...good god:csad:

[dnno1]

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http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/37709/thumbs/s-LIPSTICK-large.jpg

[dnno1]

HWnSyLKm_tM

[Marx]

HWnSyLKm_tM

:hehe:

[sinewave]

ughhhh... more crap about "radical professors"? just go away already, woman!

[The Senator]

Sarah Palin will end up with a talk show on Fox.

Or she can go back to Alaska and do her job.

[CaptainClown]

Or she can go back to Alaska and do her job.
be a mother?

[RockSP]

She's a "mother" alright...

[raybia]

I kind of like Palin...but not as VP. I would like to see her have her own show on HBO. But I got to vote for my man Barack.

[zeptron]

Palin = Bush with a Vagina

[Holiday]

Palin = Bush with a Vagina

Nice.

[Manic]

Palin = Bush with a Vagina
...

Too easy.

[Abaddon]

redundant

[Kelly]

*sighs*

[Kelly]

be a mother?
Just a thought........Jeb Bush's daughter got in trouble with drugs and the police while he was in office as governor of Florida.....should he have quit his job as governor to "be a father"?

Young girls are getting pregnant everyday in our country, far too many in my opinion, but it is happening........and sometimes, just sometimes, they actually have good parents............... Sometimes the mom is a good mom, and the dad is a good dad, and still **** happens..........
Palin = Bush with a Vagina





Sometimes I think......hey......wow..........the intelligence quota has been raised in here as opposed to some in the comic forums.....



and then.....................................

[jaguarr]

Palin = Bush with a Vagina

I disagree. Palin is twice as vapid and ten times more hard-right and tied into the religious zealot contingent than Bush could ever hope to be. She's radically right-wing, with emphasis on the word radical. She's kind of like the female equivalent of a Bobby Jindal but with like....1/8th the IQ (and I'm being generous).

jag

[CaptainClown]

Just a thought........Jeb Bush's daughter got in trouble with drugs and the police while he was in office as governor of Florida.....should he have quit his job as governor to "be a father"?

Young girls are getting pregnant everyday in our country, far too many in my opinion, but it is happening........and sometimes, just sometimes, they actually have good parents............... Sometimes the mom is a good mom, and the dad is a good dad, and still **** happens..........

Well I am not talking about her daughters who are old enough to take care of themselves....I am talking about her baby Trig. The child who requires her attention and care...That child.

[Marx]

I disagree. Palin is twice as vapid and ten times more hard-right and tied into the religious zealot contingent than Bush could ever hope to be. She's radically right-wing, with emphasis on the word radical. She's kind of like the female equivalent of a Bobby Jindal but with like....1/8th the IQ (and I'm being generous).

jag

Now that I can agree with.

[BlackLantern]

Young girls are getting pregnant everyday in our country, far too many in my opinion, but it is happening........and sometimes, just sometimes, they actually have good parents............... Sometimes the mom is a good mom, and the dad is a good dad, and still **** happens..........

Well if one is a pro-life, abstinence only, Republican harpy and the daughter gets knocked up by a winner named Levi...I call it karma....

[Marx]

Well if one is a pro-life, abstinence only, Republican harpy and the daughter gets knocked up by a winner named Levi...I call it karma....

Babies are loving gifts bestowed upon us, they are not gifts of payback or anything negative. And besides, TRUE christians consider the unborn and vote pro-life. (At least, that's what a bunch of political yard signs say around my town.)

[StrainedEyes]

Babies are loving gifts bestowed upon us, they are not gifts of payback or anything negative. And besides, TRUE christians consider the unborn and vote pro-life. (At least, that's what a bunch of political yard signs say around my town.)

Tell that to a young girl raped and impregnated by her father.

[Marx]

Tell that to a young girl raped and impregnated by her father.

According to Sarah Palin, you should have to follow through with that pregnancy no matter what.

[StrainedEyes]

According to Sarah Palin, you should have to follow through with that pregnancy no matter what.

And have to pay for the rape kit. :o

[Marx]

And have to pay for the rape kit. :o

Exactly Geo.

[Kelly]

Well if one is a pro-life, abstinence only, Republican harpy and the daughter gets knocked up by a winner named Levi...I call it karma....


My mom was pro-life, and a Republican, and my sister got pregnant at 17........I call it, my sister had to face the consequences of the decision she made.....

Sorry, but it is pretty ignorant....in my opinion.....to call it much of anything else.

[Kelly]

According to Sarah Palin, you should have to follow through with that pregnancy no matter what.

But, we have no idea of the discussion she had with her daughter.

My mother followed the same line as Palin, but the conversation went as.........


Mom: So, what is your decision?

My sister: I want to have the baby....

Mom: ok......have you made any other decision?

My sister/boyfriend: Yes, we want to get married...

Mom: Ok, I guess we have a wedding to plan....


Was my mom happy? no......... she wasn't..........

End of conversation.

But did "her" beliefs necessarily change decisions my sister and I made? Sometimes, but not always.........fact remains, the decision was my sister, and Palin's daughter.........no one elses.


Is it God getting back at Palin for her beliefs........???? To say yes, is ignorant.....she has a right to her beliefs, just as those who belief differently have that right as well. Those rights are why I love this country, and love teaching about it in class.


I'm pro-choice.........does that mean that is the "karma" getting back at my mom? no.....it simply means we saw things differently.......it simply means my mother allowed me to think for myself, and claim the consequences (as she always said....). Who are we to say that Palin is any different in how she teaches her children.

[USMC]

My mom was pro-life, and a Republican, and my sister got pregnant at 17........I call it, my sister had to face the consequences of the decision she made.....

Sorry, but it is pretty ignorant....in my opinion.....to call it much of anything else.

Did she give the kid up for adoption to 2 parents who actually wanted kids?

[USMC]

But, we have no idea of the discussion she had with her daughter.

My mother followed the same line as Palin, but the conversation went as.........


Mom: So, what is your decision?

My sister: I want to have the baby....

Mom: ok......have you made any other decision?

My sister/boyfriend: Yes, we want to get married...

Mom: Ok, I guess we have a wedding to plan....


End of conversation.


Wow... that's really sad.

[The Senator]

But, we have no idea of the discussion she had with her daughter.

Actually, I don't think Marx was referring to Bristol Palin's pregnancy, but rather Palin's belief that women should have to pay for rape kits and that abortion shouldn't be an option at all...

[Matt]

Did anyone watch The Daily Show last night?

[Matt]

http://www.hulu.com/watch/41559/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-wed-oct-29-2008

Skip ahead about 5 minutes and watch "Goin' Rogue." Easily the funniest Daily Show skit ever.

[Carcharodon]

Did anyone watch The Daily Show last night?No. Not only am I too busy to watch TV much anymore, but I'm trying really hard to avoid all the drama and the ******** right now. I'm so tired of it. I LOVE the Daily Show, but politics in general make me ill at the moment.

....so I suppose there's no small amount of irony I'm posting in the POLITICS forum. :csad:

[USMC]

Did anyone watch The Daily Show last night?

With Obama? Yeah, it was cool.

Couldn't believe Obama used the term "tree huggers"... I wonder if he was kicking himself later for that?

On the plus side, i told an Undecided friend of mine about what Obama said and he's all "well, that seals it for me, I'm voting for Obama..."

:woot:

[Kelly]

Actually, I don't think Marx was referring to Bristol Palin's pregnancy, but rather Palin's belief that women should have to pay for rape kits and that abortion shouldn't be an option at all...

Gotcha.....you are correct.....


Sorry Marx........

[Matt]

No. Not only am I too busy to watch TV much anymore, but I'm trying really hard to avoid all the drama and the ******** right now. I'm so tired of it. I LOVE the Daily Show, but politics in general make me ill at the moment.

....so I suppose there's no small amount of irony I'm posting in the POLITICS forum. :csad:

Just watch the episode above, just the segment about Sarah Palin going rogue.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Nah. Tree hugger is a good word.

[Matt]

With Obama? Yeah, it was cool.

Couldn't believe Obama used the term "tree huggers"... I wonder if he was kicking himself later for that?

On the plus side, i told an Undecided friend of mine about what Obama said and he's all "well, that seals it for me, I'm voting for Obama..."

:woot:

I loved when he said that he is going to go into the voting booth and get confused due to the Bradley effect. :lmao:

[Kelly]

Wow... that's really sad.

What is sad about my mom allowing my sister to make her own decision on what she wanted to do?

Did she give the kid up for adoption to 2 parents who actually wanted kids?

And um'.......where did I say, or even imply, that my sister and her boyfriend did not want the baby?


Were they planning on getting pregnant? doubtful.....but that doesn't mean that once she found out she was pregnant she didn't want the kid.....

[USMC]

What is sad about my mom allowing my sister to make her own decision on what she wanted to do?

And um'.......where did I say, or even imply, that my sister and her boyfriend did not want the baby?

Were they planning on getting pregnant? doubtful.....but that doesn't mean that once she found out she was pregnant she didn't want the kid.....

Relax, just my own opinion. Good luck to her and her boyfriend. :yay:

[Kelly]

Relax, just my own opinion. Good luck to her and her boyfriend. :yay:



Lol.....that was over 30 years ago........her daughter is married and has 4 children.

[USMC]

Lol.....that was over 30 years ago........her daughter is married and has 4 children.

Super. :yay:

[dnno1]

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Hilarious!

[Fading]

http://www.hulu.com/watch/41559/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-wed-oct-29-2008

Skip ahead about 5 minutes and watch "Goin' Rogue." Easily the funniest Daily Show skit ever.

Watching it now, the "She can have a dozen babies, lay a thousand eggs" part is cracking me up. I've went back and watched that particular sentence 3x alrdy.


Edit - You're right, funny episode. Tito the Builder...when the **** did that happen? The Bob the Builder part was funny too, hell the whole thing was. Also caught Obama saying "treehugger" heh.

[Marx]

Actually, I don't think Marx was referring to Bristol Palin's pregnancy, but rather Palin's belief that women should have to pay for rape kits and that abortion shouldn't be an option at all...

Exactly, Jman. I was referring to Palin's outragious belief that abortion should be denied in ALL cases, no matter what. And adding insult to injury, that rape victims should pay for their own kits. I was not referring to Bristol's pregnancy.

[BlackLantern]

But, we have no idea of the discussion she had with her daughter.

I would assume the conversation between Sarah and Bristol went something like this:

Bristol: Mom, I know you're busy with this VP thing...but I'm pregnant

Sarah: Are you ****ing kidding me....I am trying to get into the ****ing White House and you get knocked up....by who??

Bristol: Levi....

Sarah: ****ing great...listen here...you're going to have that baby and like it and marry that ****ing dropout...and if you or that walking Dbag screw this up for me....you'll both have a hunting accident.....now go away...I have to start reading all these newspapers and magazines....all of them

[Matt]

Here's a link for "Goin' Rogue," for whoever wants to watch. Really funny. :up:

http://beltwayblips.com/video/goin_rogue_the_daily_show/

[Marx]

POLL: PALIN WEIGHING DOWN TICKET
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/31/us/politics/31poll.html?_r=1&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&oref=slogin

[sasquatchs]

Nothing new but haven't seen AP cover it before


Fact Check: Palin's Alaska spreads its wealth

Republicans John McCain and Sarah Palin summon antidemocratic images of a communist state to attack Democrat Barack Obama's tax plan and his comment about spreading the wealth around. But in her home state, Palin embraces Alaska's own version of doing just that.

....

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hgSOF08EZJrEAB34f2kJkANBWguAD9454PNG0

[bunk]

I loved when he said that he is going to go into the voting booth and get confused due to the Bradley effect. :lmao:

It was great how he had his one hand trying to restrain the other lol.

[jaguarr]

Happy Halloween, okayoubetcha! Also.

jag

[danoyse]

http://www.hulu.com/watch/41559/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-wed-oct-29-2008

Skip ahead about 5 minutes and watch "Goin' Rogue." Easily the funniest Daily Show skit ever.

Coming soon to a theater in Real America soon...

I love it. :up:

[souvlaki]

What is wrong with this woman?

"If [the media] convince enough voters that that is negative campaigning, for me to call Barack Obama out on his associations," Palin said, "then I don't know what the future of our country would be in terms of First Amendment rights and our ability to ask questions without fear of attacks by the mainstream media."

http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/

[StrainedEyes]

What is wrong with this woman?



http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/

I live in total fear of the mainstream media. :csad:

[danoyse]

Someone just told me that one of her co-workers came to work today dressed as 'Sarah the Plumber.' She wore her hair like Palin, along with jacket like the one she wore at the debate, with jeans and a wrench clipped to her belt.

Love it. :lmao:

[dnno1]

Friday, Oct. 31, 2008 14:00 EDT
Palin doesn't understand First Amendment

In a radio interview that aired Friday morning, Sarah Palin said Americans' First Amendment rights are in danger. Ironically, it's apparently the press who's threatening those rights.

"If [the media] convince enough voters that that is negative campaigning, for me to call Barack Obama out on his associations," Palin said, "then I don't know what the future of our country would be in terms of First Amendment rights and our ability to ask questions without fear of attacks by the mainstream media."

That is, to be clear, a fundamental misunderstanding of what the First Amendment is about. Let's review the text:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

To put it succinctly: the press can't violate Palin's First Amendment rights. If the government were to criminalize her speech, that would be a violation. But what the press is doing in criticizing Palin is exercising the First Amendment.
― Alex Koppelman


Indeed.

[Schlosser85]

The media questioning her instead of just letting her get a free pass on the many absurd remarks she has made is exercising the First Amendment.

But apparently Palin doesn't know any more about the First Amendment than she does about anything else.

[raybia]

Sarah Palin speaks on the First Amendment

(updated below - Update II - Update III)

Somehow, in Sarah Palin's brain, it's a threat to the First Amendment when newspapers criticize her negative attacks on Barack Obama. This is actually so dumb that it hurts:

In a conservative radio interview that aired in Washington, D.C. Friday morning, Republican vice presidential nominee Gov. Sarah Palin said she fears her First Amendment rights may be threatened by "attacks" from reporters who suggest she is engaging in a negative campaign against Barack Obama.

Palin told WMAL-AM that her criticism of Obama's associations, like those with 1960s radical Bill Ayers and the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, should not be considered negative attacks. Rather, for reporters or columnists to suggest that it is going negative may constitute an attack that threatens a candidate's free speech rights under the Constitution, Palin said.

"If [the media] convince enough voters that that is negative campaigning, for me to call Barack Obama out on his associations," Palin told host Chris Plante, "then I don't know what the future of our country would be in terms of First Amendment rights and our ability to ask questions without fear of attacks by the mainstream media."

Maureen Dowd recently made an equally stupid comment when she complained that her First Amendment rights were being violated by the McCain campaign's refusal to allow her on their campaign plane.

The First Amendment is actually not that complicated. It can be read from start to finish in about 10 seconds. It bars the Government from abridging free speech rights. It doesn't have anything to do with whether you're free to say things without being criticized, or whether you can comment on blogs without being edited, or whether people can bar you from their private planes because they don't like what you've said.

If anything, Palin has this exactly backwards, since one thing that the First Amendment does actually guarantee is a free press. Thus, when the press criticizes a political candidate and a Governor such as Palin, that is a classic example of First Amendment rights being exercised, not abridged.

This isn't only about profound ignorance regarding our basic liberties, though it is obviously that. Palin here is also giving voice to the standard right-wing grievance instinct: that it's inherently unfair when they're criticized. And now, apparently, it's even unconstitutional.

According to Palin, what the Founders intended with the First Amendment was that political candidates for the most powerful offices in the country and Governors of states would be free to say whatever they want without being criticized in the newspapers. In the Palin worldview, the First Amendment was meant to ensure that powerful political officials such as herself would not be "attacked" in the papers. Is it even possible to imagine more breathtaking ignorance from someone holding high office and running for even higher office?



UPDATE: The Constitution also guarantees freedom of association. Thus, by Palin's "reasoning," when newspapers -- or Palin herself -- criticize Obama for his associations, they're threatening his constitutional rights.



UPDATE II: Brian Beutler says that Palin has a "third grader's understanding of Constitutional rights" and asks:

If the conservative media convinces enough voters that Barack Obama is a Muslim, does that violate his right to freedom of religion?

And: isn't Palin violating the First Amendment right to a free press by criticizing the media and convincing her followers that newspapers are biased and corrupt? For the last eight years, we've had an administration that has had pure contempt for the Constitution. Would it be worse to replace them with people who seem never to have read it?



UPDATE III: Jonathan Schwarz has the audio of Palin, issuing her constitutional warning, here. It's actually more painful to hear it than read it, because you can hear her thinking about the analysis she's making as it leaves her mouth, and she clearly believes she's actually making an important and profound point about First Amendment rights.

-- Glenn Greenwald

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/10/31/palin/index.html

WOW!

[Immortalfire]

I would assume the conversation between Sarah and Bristol went something like this:

Bristol: Mom, I know you're busy with this VP thing...but I'm pregnant

Sarah: Are you ****ing kidding me....I am trying to get into the ****ing White House and you get knocked up....by who??

Bristol: Levi....

Sarah: ****ing great...listen here...you're going to have that baby and like it and marry that ****ing dropout...and if you or that walking Dbag screw this up for me....you'll both have a hunting accident.....now go away...I have to start reading all these newspapers and magazines....all of them
:funny:

Good description by Palin of the loser bf.

[Holiday]

I was watching Palin on CNN just now and she accused Obama of using fear about social security to get votes from elderly Florida voters. She called it "the oldest kind of politics there is.". The whole McPalin campaign is fear. What a joke she is.

[hammerhedd11]

I was watching Palin on CNN just now and she accused Obama of using fear about social security to get votes from elderly Florida voters. She called it "the oldest kind of politics there is.". The whole McPalin campaign is fear. What a joke she is.

Please enlighten me with an example.

[BlackLantern]

Please enlighten me with an example.

calling Obama a "socialist".....basically putting across the message that electing Obama into office will send this country on a path of destruction...referring to small towns as "real America"....bad-mouthing the press when the press asks tough questions....

[CaptainClown]

Please enlighten me with an example.
KjxzmaXAg9E
Love this video. Love it love it love it.

[hammerhedd11]

So if that's supposed to be scary, please tell me why socialists are bad.

[CaptainClown]

They are painting socialism in a very very very negative light and associating it with "Anti-American". Hell I even hearing my dad using socialism as an insult.

[hammerhedd11]

They are painting socialism in a very very very negative light and associating it with "Anti-American". Hell I even hearing my dad using socialism as an insult.

Please tell me why it's bad.

[danoyse]

Please enlighten me with an example.

Insisting Obama "pals around" with terrorists by referring to his association with Bill Ayers. The things Ayers did (which were despicable) happened when Obama was 8 years old. Since that time Ayers has gone on to become a professor at the University of Illinois and was named Citizen of the Year by the city of Chicago in 1997 for his work on school reform.

Obama's association with Ayers wasn't about how to lob bombs at the White House, in reality they worked together on a school reform board in Chicago.

Not that you'd hear any of that at a Palin rally. :whatever:

[hammerhedd11]

KjxzmaXAg9E
Love this video. Love it love it love it.

Since Obama started his campaign right from the getgo when he got into office he's automatically a better candidate than Sarah Palin?

[BlackLantern]

Please tell me why it's bad.

Because the Soviet Union claimed to be socialists....hence USSR...United Soviet Socialist Republic....

[BlackLantern]

Since Obama started his campaign right from the getgo when he got into office he's automatically a better candidate than Sarah Palin?

I think he's a better person.....

[hammerhedd11]

Insisting Obama "pals around" with terrorists by referring to his association with Bill Ayers. The things Ayers did (which were despicable) happened when Obama was 8 years old. Since that time Ayers has gone on to become a professor at the University of Illinois and was named Citizen of the Year by the city of Chicago in 1997 for his work on school reform.

Obama's association with Ayers wasn't about how to lob bombs at the White House, in reality they worked together on a school reform board in Chicago.

Not that you'd hear any of that at a Palin rally. :whatever:

Ok, would it be ok if Obama hung around with Manson now. Cuse, ya know, he committed those murders when Obama was just a kid too.

If Ayers is Citizen of the year, I really don't want to see the bad ones. Ayers said on Sept 11, that " I wish they did more". This man still does not apologize for his actions. He said he would do it again if he had the chance. I don't want this man funding campaigns for a presidential candidate.

[hammerhedd11]

Because the Soviet Union claimed to be socialists....hence USSR...United Soviet Socialist Republic....

Now what does Obama stand for in the economy, healthcare etc?

[hammerhedd11]

I think he's a better person.....

Well I think Sarah Palin is a better person. The video is idiotic. I've known Obama now for the past two and a half years. It's made me dislike him more. Basically that blogger is saying that since they haven't known Palin as long then their opinions aren't right.

[danoyse]

Since Obama started his campaign right from the getgo when he got into office he's automatically a better candidate than Sarah Palin?

No, but when asked about certain issues (foreign policy, the economy, etc) he seems a hell of a lot more knowledgeable on what they're about and what we need to do to fix them--certainly more than Palin, who stumbles around every question she's asked about anything other than a talking point.

Examples:

How Alaska's proximity to Russia gives her foreign policy experience:
nokTjEdaUGg

Not being able to name a Supreme Court case other than Roe v. Wade:
0rXmuhWrlj4

And the most famous, the nonsense answer about the bailout:
txfqWzGMgmY

Forget spreading fear. This woman is scary enough on her own.

[BlackLantern]

Now what does Obama stand for in the economy, healthcare etc?

I don't agree with either candidate as it comes to the economy and taxes....I feel that tax cuts should be suspended across the board for everyone for the next 4-6 years.....

[C.F. Kane]

KjxzmaXAg9E
Love this video. Love it love it love it.

Hate that stupid loud moon-faced fake blonde. Hate her hate her hate her.

[hammerhedd11]

I don't agree with either candidate as it comes to the economy and taxes....I feel that tax cuts should be suspended across the board for everyone for the next 4-6 years.....

I respect that. All I'm trying to say is that Obama has socialistic beliefs. Yes McCain is using fear. But we should be scared. I like my freedom.

[hammerhedd11]

No, but when asked about certain issues (foreign policy, the economy, etc) he seems a hell of a lot more knowledgeable on what they're about and what we need to do to fix them--certainly more than Palin, who stumbles around every question she's asked about anything other than a talking point.

Examples:

How Alaska's proximity to Russia gives her foreign policy experience:
nokTjEdaUGg

Not being able to name a Supreme Court case other than Roe v. Wade:
0rXmuhWrlj4

And the most famous, the nonsense answer about the bailout:
txfqWzGMgmY

Forget spreading fear. This woman is scary enough on her own.

Ok, while I don't agree, I'm just commenting on how dumb that video is.

[hammerhedd11]

No, but when asked about certain issues (foreign policy, the economy, etc) he seems a hell of a lot more knowledgeable on what they're about and what we need to do to fix them--certainly more than Palin, who stumbles around every question she's asked about anything other than a talking point.

Examples:

How Alaska's proximity to Russia gives her foreign policy experience:
nokTjEdaUGg

Not being able to name a Supreme Court case other than Roe v. Wade:
0rXmuhWrlj4

And the most famous, the nonsense answer about the bailout:
txfqWzGMgmY

Forget spreading fear. This woman is scary enough on her own.

Ok, while I don't agree, I'm just commenting on how dumb that video is.

[BlackLantern]

Ok, while I don't agree, I'm just commenting on how dumb that video is.

There is video evidence of her lack of knowledge about a great many things...it's not something that can be "agreed" or "disagreed" upon...it just is....maybe she is simply meant to be a Governor and nothing more....

[hammerhedd11]

There is video evidence of her lack of knowledge about a great many things...it's not something that can be "agreed" or "disagreed" upon...it just is....maybe she is simply meant to be a Governor and nothing more....

Yes but the video is saying that her supporters are dumb just because she hasn't campaigned for long unlike Obama.

[BlackLantern]

I've never been one to insult or praise supporters of a candidate...there are a lot of uninformed people on both sides....I think, historically, Republican supporters better understand the concept of backing the party....

[Cosmic]

Insisting Obama "pals around" with terrorists by referring to his association with Bill Ayers. The things Ayers did (which were despicable) happened when Obama was 8 years old. Since that time Ayers has gone on to become a professor at the University of Illinois and was named Citizen of the Year by the city of Chicago in 1997 for his work on school reform.

Obama's association with Ayers wasn't about how to lob bombs at the White House, in reality they worked together on a school reform board in Chicago.

Not that you'd hear any of that at a Palin rally. :whatever:

Ok, would it be ok if Obama hung around with Manson now. Cuse, ya know, he committed those murders when Obama was just a kid too.

If Ayers is Citizen of the year, I really don't want to see the bad ones. Ayers said on Sept 11, that " I wish they did more". This man still does not apologize for his actions. He said he would do it again if he had the chance. I don't want this man funding campaigns for a presidential candidate.

Hammer, this is false. First off, Ayers did not say "I wish they did more." He said "I don't regret setting bombs; I feel we didn't do enough." He wasn't referring to 9/11, he was talking about the Weathermen.

Secondly, he couldn't have been referring to 9/11, as the piece that published that comment saw print ON 9/11! The article had already been put together before the attacks on the WTC and Pentagon.

You can check these facts in a Google search. I know you're not stupid. Either you don't want to know the truth...because it doesn't tell you what you want to hear ("Obama pals around with TERRORISTS")...or you're just plain lazy!

[hammerhedd11]

I've never been one to insult or praise supporters of a candidate...there are a lot of uninformed people on both sides....I think, historically, Republican supporters better understand the concept of backing the party....

I agree. There are always people that are clueless on both sides. But interviewing people that say Obama is a terrorist and then displaying like it resembles the whole party's beliefs is ridiculous. It's like Bill Maher with Religulous. You can't make a good argument against someone when you only target the fanatics.

[bunk]

KjxzmaXAg9E
Love this video. Love it love it love it.


Good god. All the guy did was ask a few questions, no reason to lose your head.

[BlackLantern]

I agree. There are always people that are clueless on both sides. But interviewing people that say Obama is a terrorist and then displaying like it resembles the whole party's beliefs is ridiculous. It's like Bill Maher with Religulous. You can't make a good argument against someone when you only target the fanatics.

I half agree....I'm sure there are a lot more people in the Republican party who genuinely believe he is a terrorist or something equally stupid, but have the good sense to not say it out loud....I'm sure Palin sits at home and night and mutters "We might actually lose to that ******" when no one is around

[raybia]

I respect that. All I'm trying to say is that Obama has socialistic beliefs. Yes McCain is using fear. But we should be scared. I like my freedom.

You say that Obama has socialistic beliefs...PLURAL. Please name them all.

Also you are suggesting that the American public will lose our freedom if Obama is elected. Please specify how you defined freedom and what freedoms are we going to lose...all of them? What is your proof to substantial such an extraordinary claim?

Are you saying that Obama is going to disregard and abolish the Constitution of the United States?

[Bill]

You say that Obama has socialistic beliefs...PLURAL. Please name them all.

Also you are suggesting that we will lose our freedom if Obama is elected. Please specify how you defined freedom. What freedoms are we going to lose?

Are you saying that Obama is going to disregard and abolish the Constitution of the United States?

You're going to have to wait until he digs up that e-propaganda to list them. It's a shame how easy it is to get people to believe what you need them to when you need them to.

[raybia]

It's a shame how easy it is to get people to believe what you need them to when you need them to.

If that is true then we lost our freedom a long time ago.

[CaptainClown]

Please tell me why it's bad.
Because our society utilizes a lot of socialist beliefs and philosophies. It is being hypocrytical. They are painting up socialism like it is the new communism. It is dividing the country in their minds into an Anti-America and American kind of mentality. The Pro-American people view socialism as the new witch and branding everyone who doesn't agree with them as a socialist therefor an Anti-American. So that is why it is bad.
Since Obama started his campaign right from the getgo when he got into office he's automatically a better candidate than Sarah Palin?Nobody said he is better, however Sarah Palin has proved through her lack of knowledge and use of fear tactics that she is not qualified. Obama at least has knowledge of the law. Sarah doesn't know what the VP does or understand the first amendment and so on and so forth. That is why people feel Obama is a better candidate.

Hate that stupid loud moon-faced fake blonde. Hate her hate her hate her.
Ditto my friend, ditto. She acts like she is cornering the guy by getting in front of the question.
Good god. All the guy did was ask a few questions, no reason to lose your head.
Seriously, they weren't even ground breaking questions. They were just simple ones that anyone could have answered. They are just so eager to demonize Obama and the democrats that they don't really think of their answers.

[jaguarr]

If that is true then we lost our freedom a long time ago.

Only the sheep that have been conditioned not to think for themselves.

jag

[hammerhedd11]

You say that Obama has socialistic beliefs...PLURAL. Please name them all.

Also you are suggesting that the American public will lose our freedom if Obama is elected. Please specify how you defined freedom and what freedoms are we going to lose...all of them? What is your proof to substantial such an extraordinary claim?

Are you saying that Obama is going to disregard and abolish the Constitution of the United States?

National Healthcare, spreading the wealth...kinda big signs there.

[hammerhedd11]

Only the sheep that have been conditioned not to think for themselves.

jag

Please give me some good reasons for your thoughts instead of throwing petty insults.

[hammerhedd11]

Because our society utilizes a lot of socialist beliefs and philosophies. It is being hypocrytical. They are painting up socialism like it is the new communism. It is dividing the country in their minds into an Anti-America and American kind of mentality. The Pro-American people view socialism as the new witch and branding everyone who doesn't agree with them as a socialist therefor an Anti-American. So that is why it is bad.

Societies that turn to socialism always turn to a communist society. ANd of course it's Anti-American, we are a democratic society.


Nobody said he is better, however Sarah Palin has proved through her lack of knowledge and use of fear tactics that she is not qualified. Obama at least has knowledge of the law. Sarah doesn't know what the VP does or understand the first amendment and so on and so forth. That is why people feel Obama is a better candidate.

Seriously? That's what the whole video is for.

[BlackLantern]

It's a general statement....a lot of people in this country blindly follow what they are told by their political party, or by the media outlet of their choice and take what is given to them as fact....I know people who think Fox News is the only fair media outlet out there and that the rest are run by the Jews and the banks

[Manic]

Please give me some good reasons for your thoughts instead of throwing petty insults.
...dude, I'm pretty sure that was a general statement.

[hammerhedd11]

Hammer, this is false. First off, Ayers did not say "I wish they did more." He said "I don't regret setting bombs; I feel we didn't do enough." He wasn't referring to 9/11, he was talking about the Weathermen.

Secondly, he couldn't have been referring to 9/11, as the piece that published that comment saw print ON 9/11! The article had already been put together before the attacks on the WTC and Pentagon.

You can check these facts in a Google search. I know you're not stupid. Either you don't want to know the truth...because it doesn't tell you what you want to hear ("Obama pals around with TERRORISTS")...or you're just plain lazy!

I never stated he was referring to the 9/11 attacks.

Also, so it's ok though that he was referring to his group in that they didn't kill enough people or set off enough bombs? Sounds like a crummy guy to me. And definitely not one I want hanging around with a President.

[jaguarr]

Please give me some good reasons for your thoughts instead of throwing petty insults.

I wasn't even talking about you. Sorry to make you feel self-conscious.

jag

[The Battousai]

I never stated he was referring to the 9/11 attacks.

Also, so it's ok though that he was referring to his group in that they didn't kill enough people or set off enough bombs? Sounds like a crummy guy to me. And definitely not one I want hanging around with a President.

If you knew anything about William Ayers and his bombings in the 60s you would know he harmed NO ONE with them.

Secondly, Obama isn't "hanging around" with him. They were on a board for education reform about 15 YEARS AGO.

THE FACTS (http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/he_lied_about_bill_ayers.html)

[BlackLantern]

I never stated he was referring to the 9/11 attacks.

Also, so it's ok though that he was referring to his group in that they didn't kill enough people or set off enough bombs? Sounds like a crummy guy to me. And definitely not one I want hanging around with a President.

The Kennedys made their money from bootlegging( an illegal enterprise)....should JFK have stopped talking to his family once he became President?

[hammerhedd11]

If you knew anything about William Ayers and his bombings in the 60s you would know he harmed NO ONE with them.

Secondly, Obama isn't "hanging around" with him. They were on a board for education reform about 15 YEARS AGO.

THE FACTS (http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/he_lied_about_bill_ayers.html)

Oh, ok. I forgot that potentially putting people in danger is ok now.

And it doesn't matter if they are hanging around, Ayers is helping fund his campaign and it's not right.

[hammerhedd11]

The Kennedys made their money from bootlegging( an illegal enterprise)....should JFK have stopped talking to his family once he became President?

JFK wouldn't have become President if it wasn't for his daddy and all those dead people that voted for him. :whatever:

[hammerhedd11]

I wasn't even talking about you. Sorry to make you feel self-conscious.

jag

Don't act so innocent. Bill said that all my info was coming from propoganda that I was fed and you called those people sheep. Thank you.

[BlackLantern]

I think he was calling anyone who believes what they are given at face value.."sheep"...does that apply to you, hammer??

[The Battousai]

Oh, ok. I forgot that potentially putting people in danger is ok now.

And it doesn't matter if they are hanging around, Ayers is helping fund his campaign and it's not right.

PLEASE read the article I posted - I did so for a reason.

THE FACTS (http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/he_lied_about_bill_ayers.html)

[hammerhedd11]

I think he was calling anyone who believes what they are given at face value.."sheep"...does that apply to you, hammer??

Of course not. I don't think Bush is the perfect leader and McCain the perfect candidate. But I believe in the same principles as them. Suggesting that I believe every word they say is a childish insult. I decide my opinion on my own and not according to what my candidate says.

[hammerhedd11]

PLEASE read the article I posted - I did so for a reason.

THE FACTS (http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/he_lied_about_bill_ayers.html)

The article says nothing on his funding of the campaign and slowly turns into a McCain hate ad. And once again, I know Obama had nowthing to do with the bombings.

I still find it alarming that you find ok as no one was hurt. What if I set off a bomb in your house and no one was home when it went it? Would you just shrug it off and say " Well, that's fine, no one was hurt."

[jaguarr]

Don't act so innocent. Bill said that all my info was coming from propoganda that I was fed and you called those people sheep. Thank you.

I really wasn't talking about you at all, but since you seem to be hellbent on making this all about you, let me ask you a question: Do you own any wool sweaters?

I think he was calling anyone who believes what they are given at face value.."sheep"...does that apply to you, hammer??

Exactamundo, Potsy! :up:

jag

[hammerhedd11]

If you knew anything about William Ayers and his bombings in the 60s you would know he harmed NO ONE with them.

Secondly, Obama isn't "hanging around" with him. They were on a board for education reform about 15 YEARS AGO.

THE FACTS (http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/he_lied_about_bill_ayers.html)

If you knew anything about Ayers you would know that he had bombs set under Fort Dix dance floor where some soldiers and their girlfriends danced and that those bombs went off and killed 3 of his members.

[The Senator]

http://content.cartoonbox.slate.com/?feature=5912f86ff671b340f1ae6b7da7201983

[bunk]

Is this Palin telephone prank that's making the rounds supposed to be real or is it just a joke?

[hammerhedd11]

I really wasn't talking about you at all, but since you seem to be hellbent on making this all about you, let me ask you a question: Do you own any wool sweaters?



Exactamundo, Potsy! :up:

jag

Oh, you are a funny man. Can you not just get over yourself. What else would you be referring to? How about the people that don't agree with you in this forum which would be me.

[jaguarr]

Oh, you are a funny man. Can you not just get over yourself. What else would you be referring to? How about the people that don't agree with you in this forum which would be me.

It was a GENERALIZED statement. How thick are you, anyway? :huh:

jag

[hammerhedd11]

Let's see. You were responding that only the sheep that believe all the propaganda from McCain are not free.

[jaguarr]

Let's see. You were responding that only the sheep that believe all the propaganda from McCain are not free.

*sigh* If you don't get it, I'm sure as hell not going to explain it to you any more than I already have tried to. You seem to be chomping at the bit to be offended by my calling you a sheep, even though I wasn't talking about you so let me oblige you and help you feel justified in your outrage: You are a sheep. Do you feel better now? Have a nice day. :)

jag

[hammerhedd11]

Then please tell me what you were responding to.

[JLBats]

hammerHEDD...ELEVEN?:dry:

how?

[danoyse]

Let's see. You were responding that only the sheep that believe all the propaganda from McCain are not free.

No, he was saying that people who blindly accept and repeat rhetoric spouted at political rallies without investigating the facts and making an informed decision on their own are sheep. That's true of any politician's supporters.

Since this is the Sarah Palin thread, and since she's been spewing a lot of divisive rhetoric that simply isn't true...it's fair to say that people who are repeating the same thing without knowing anything about it are sheep.

Same goes for people spouting talking points from Obama rallies as fact. A smart person would research those points themselves before claiming them as fact.

Here's the most recent example of sheep at a Palin rally in FL today:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/11/01/palin-makes-pitch-to-seniors-in-central-florida/

As Palin wound down her remarks, a group in the rear of the audience began a noisy chant of "John McCain! Not Hussein!" — but the governor did not appear to hear or acknowledge them.

:whatever:

[Shifty]

Is this Palin telephone prank that's making the rounds supposed to be real or is it just a joke?

http://www.justiciers.tv/

Quebec comedians 'punk' Sarah Palin

Updated: November 1 at 03:26 PM CDT

MONTREAL - A Quebec comedy duo notorious for prank calls to celebrities and heads of state has reached Sarah Palin, convincing the Republican vice-presidential nominee she was speaking with French President Nicolas Sarkozy.

In the roughly six-minute telephone interview released Saturday, Palin and the pranksters known as the Masked Avengers discuss politics, pundits, and the perils of hunting with Vice-President Dick Cheney.

"We have such great respect for you, John McCain and I, we love you," Palin is heard to gush to comedian Marc-Antoine Audette, masquerading as Sarkozy.

Palin doesn't seem to realize she's being tricked until Audette tells her at the end of the interview.

"Oh, have we been pranked?" she says. Seconds later, Palin's aide can be heard before the line goes dead.

Throughout the conversation, Audette drops plenty of clues that something's amiss.

He identifies French singer and actor Johnny Hallyday as his special adviser to the U.S., singer Stef Carse as Canada's prime minister and Quebec comedian and radio host Richard Z. Sirois as the provincial premier.

Early in the conversation, the fake Sarkozy tells Palin one of his favourite pastimes is hunting.

"We should go hunting together," she offers. "We can have a lot of fun together while we're getting work done. We could kill two birds with one stone."

Audette then jokes that they shouldn't bring Cheney on the hunt, referring to the 2006 incident in which the vice-president shot-and-injured a friend while hunting quail.

"I'll be a careful shot," responds Palin, who praises Sarkozy throughout the call.

"I look forward to working with you and getting to meet you personally, and your beautiful wife, oh my goodness," she says.

"You've added a lot of energy to your country with that beautiful family of yours."

The well-known prankster duo of Audette and Sebastien Trudel Audette have also tricked Rolling Stones singer Mick Jagger, Bill Gates, and French president Jacques Chirac over the years.

The call to Chirac was rated by the BBC as one of the top 30 best moments in radio history of all time.

They've been popular on the Quebec comedy scene for a decade.

The Masked Avengers, who have a regular show on Montreal radio station CKOI, will air the full interview on the eve of the U.S. elections. It can also be heard in full on their website www.justiciers.tv .


"Gov. Palin received a phone call on Saturday from a French Canadian talk show host claiming to be French President Nicholas Sarkozy," emailed spokeswoman Tracey Schmitt. "Gov. Palin was mildly amused to learn that she had joined the ranks of heads of state, including President Sarkozy, and other celebrities in being targeted by these pranksters. C'est la vie."

[hammerhedd11]

No, he was saying that people who blindly accept and repeat rhetoric spouted at political rallies without investigating the facts and making an informed decision on their own are sheep. That's true of any politician's supporters.

Since this is the Sarah Palin thread, and since she's been spewing a lot of divisive rhetoric that simply isn't true...it's fair to say that people who are repeating the same thing without knowing anything about it are sheep.

Same goes for people spouting talking points from Obama rallies as fact. A smart person would research those points themselves before claiming them as fact.

Here's the most recent example of sheep at a Palin rally in FL today:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/11/01/palin-makes-pitch-to-seniors-in-central-florida/



:whatever:

Well as he responded to another poster, I intrepreted it another way. If that's true jag then I apologize.

[jaguarr]

No, he was saying that people who blindly accept and repeat rhetoric spouted at political rallies without investigating the facts and making an informed decision on their own are sheep. That's true of any politician's supporters.

Since this is the Sarah Palin thread, and since she's been spewing a lot of divisive rhetoric that simply isn't true...it's fair to say that people who are repeating the same thing without knowing anything about it are sheep.

Same goes for people spouting talking points from Obama rallies as fact. A smart person would research those points themselves before claiming them as fact.

Here's the most recent example of sheep at a Palin rally in FL today:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/11/01/palin-makes-pitch-to-seniors-in-central-florida/



:whatever:

See? Danny gets it. :up:

http://www.justiciers.tv/

LOL! The funniest part of that is all the celebrity names they were using as cabinet members. Should have been a big clue for her that something wasn't quite right with that interview if she really was the foreign policy expert she claims to be. :hehe:

jag

[jaguarr]

Well as he responded to another poster, I intrepreted it another way. If that's true jag then I apologize.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/jaguarr/shh/McCainEyes.gif

jag

[The Senator]

LOL! The funniest part of that is all the celebrity names they were using as cabinet members. Should have been a big clue for her that something wasn't quite right with that interview if she really was the foreign policy expert she claims to be. :hehe:

jag

Cut her some slack, jag. France is really, really difficult to see from Alaska.

[Shifty]

Or just how buffoonish he sounded how he enjoyed killing animals. Or how he sounds like a French Canadian comedian.

[The Battousai]

The article says nothing on his funding of the campaign and slowly turns into a McCain hate ad. And once again, I know Obama had nowthing to do with the bombings.

How does it turn into a hate ad?

I still find it alarming that you find ok as no one was hurt. What if I set off a bomb in your house and no one was home when it went it? Would you just shrug it off and say " Well, that's fine, no one was hurt."

Did I say that?

[The Battousai]

The article says nothing on his funding of the campaign and slowly turns into a McCain hate ad. And once again, I know Obama had nowthing to do with the bombings.

How does it turn into a hate ad?

I still find it alarming that you find ok as no one was hurt. What if I set off a bomb in your house and no one was home when it went it? Would you just shrug it off and say " Well, that's fine, no one was hurt."

Did I say that? No.

My point was that, while Manson was responisible for orchestrating murders (though not actually committing them), Ayers was NOT.

My point was that your original "comparison" was invalid.

[Shifty]

Transcript with translation!

Ring

SP Assist: This is Betsy.
MA: Hello, Betsy. This is Frank l’ouvrier (Frank the worker], I’m with President Sarkozy, on the line for Governor Palin.

SP Assist: One second please, can you hold on one second please?
MA: No problem.

SP Assist: Hi, I’m going to hand the phone over to her.
MA: Okay thank you very much I’m going to put the president on the line.
SP Assist: Ok he’s coming to the line.

SP: This is Sarah.
MA: Okay, Governor Palin?

SP: Hellloooo...(long drawn out, like Well, hellooooo)
MA: Just hold on for President Sarkozy, one moment.
SP [To someone in the room]: Oh, it’s not him yet, I always do that. I’ll just have people hand it to me right when it’s them.

FNS: Yes, hello, Governor Palin? Yes, hello, Mrs. Governor?
SP: Hello this is Sarah., how are you?

FNS: Fine, and you, this is Nicolas Sarkozy speaking, how are you?
SP: Oh...so good, it’s so good to hear you. Thank you for calling us.

FNS: Oh, it’s a pleasure.
SP: Thank you sir, we have such great respect for you, John McCain and I, we love you and thank you for spending a few minutes to talk to me.

FNS: I follow your campaigns closely with my special American Advisor Johnny Hallyday, you know?
SP: Yes! Good!

FNS: Excellent! Are you confident?
SP: Very confident and we’re thankful that the polls are showing that the race is tightening and--

FNS: Well I know very well that the campaign can be exhausting. How do you feel right now my dear?
SP: Ah, I feel so good. I feel like we’re in a marathon and at the very end of the marathon, you get your second wind and you plow to the finish—

FNS: You see, I got elected in France because I’m real and you seem to be someone who’s real as well.
SP: Yes, yeah, Nicolas, we so appreciate this opportunity.

FNS: You know, I see you as a president, one day, you too.
SP: [Muahaaa...weird laugh], maybe in 8 years. Haha

FNS: Well, ah, I hope for you. You know we have a lot in common because personally one of my favorite activities is to hunt too.
SP: [Giggle]o h very good, we should go hunting together.

FNS: Exactly! We could go try hunting by helicopter, like you did, I never did that.
SP: [Giggle]

FNS: Like we say in France, "on pourrait tuer des bébés phoques aussi" [Translation: We could also kill some baby seals.]
SP: [Giggle] Well I think we could have a lot of fun together as we’re getting work done, we can kill two birds with one stone that way.

FNS: I just love killing those animals. Mm, mm. Take away a life, that is so fun!
SP: [Hahahaha]

FNS: I’d really love to go as long as we don’t bring your Vice president Cheney, hahaha.
SP: No, I’ll be a careful shot, yes.

FNS: You know we have a lot in common also except that from my house I can see Belgium. That’s kind of less interesting than you.
SP: Well, see, we’re right next door to other countries that we all need to be working with, yes.

FNS: Some people said in the last days, and I thought that was mean, that you weren’t experienced enough in foreign relations, and you know, that’s completely false, that’s the thing I said to my great friend, the Prime Minister of Canada, Stef Carse [Stephen Harper is the PM].
SP: Well, he’s doing fine, too, and yeah when you come into a position underestimated, it gives you the opportunity to prove the pundits and the critics wrong. You work that much harder-

FNS: I, I was wondering because you are also next to him, one of my good friends, also, the prime minister of Quebec, Mr. Richard Z. Sirois [a famous Quebec radio host], have you met him recently? Did he come to one of your rallies?
SP: Uh, haven’t seen him at one of the rallies, but it’s been great working with the Canadian officials in my role as governor; we have a great cooperative effort there as we work on all of our resource development projects. You know I look forward to working with you and getting to meet you personally and your beautiful wife, oh my goodness, you’ve added a lot of energy to your country, even, with that beautiful family of yours.

FNS: Thank you very much. You know my wife, Carla, would love to meet you. You know even though she was a bit jealous that I was supposed to speak to you today. [Hahahaha]
SP: [Hahahha] Well give her a big hug from me.

FNS: You know my wife is a popular singer and a former top model and she’s so hot in bed. She even wrote a song for you.
SP: Oh my goodness! I didn’t know that.

FNS: Yes, in French, it’s called Du rouge à lèvres sur un cochonne [Translate: Lipstick for a sow] or if you prefer in English Joe the Plumber, [sings] It’s his life, Joe the Plumber..."
SP: Maybe she understands some of the unfair criticism but I bet you she is such a hard worker, too, and she realizes you just plow through that criticism like

FNS: I just want to be sure, I don’t’ quite understand the phenomenon "Joe the Plumber," that’s not your husband, right?
SP: Mmhmm, that’s into my husband but he’s a normal American who just works hard and doesn’t want government to take his money.

FNS: Yes, yes, I understand, we have the equivalent of Joe the Plumber in France, it’s called, "Marcel, the guy with bread under his armpit, oui."
SP: Right. That’s what it’s all about, is the middle class, and government needing to work for them. You’re a very good example for us here.

FNS: I seen a bit about NBC even Fox News wasn’t an ally, an ally, sorry, about as much as usual.
SP: Yeah that’s what we’re up against.

FNS: I must say, Governor Palin, I love the documentary they made on your life, you know, Hustler’s "Nailin Palin."
SP: Oh, good, thank you. Yes.

FNS: That was really edgy.
SP: [Laughs] Well good.

FNS: I really love you. And I must say something, so, Governor, you’ve been pranked.
By the Master Avengers. We’re two comedians from Montreal
SP: Oohhh have we been pranked? And what radio station is this? [tries to force herself to sound nice but you can tell she’s pissed]

FNS: This is for CKOI in Montreal.
SP: In Montreal? Tell me the radio station call letters
[SP leaves phone, continuous griping in background, sounds like, "For chrissakes...that was ??? Just a radio station prank...chrissakes..."]

MA: Hello? If one voice can change the world for Obama, one Viagra can change the world for McCain.
[Man’s voice in background: hang up, hang up.]
SP Assist: Hi, I’m sorry, I have to let you go. Um, thank you

[Marx]

Cut her some slack, jag. France is really, really difficult to see from Alaska.

Not if you use an expandable pirate's telescope! :oldrazz:

[The Battousai]

(not trying to turn this thread into an Ayers addendum)

Lies about Ayers and Obama refuted:

LIE: "My view is that the community organizer was really a sham event. Bill Ayers was testing him."(Andy Martin, Hannity's America, October 5, 2008, "Obama and His Friends: History of Radicalism")
TRUTH: Bill Ayers had nothing to do with Obama's community organizing job. It's pure lunacy to imagine that Ayers was "testing" Obama.

LIE: Obama's "community organizing is a grand scheme perpetuated by none other than William Ayers."(Sean Hannity, Hannity's America, October 5, 2008, "Obama and His Friends: History of Radicalism")
TRUTH: Obama's community organizing was not a vast conspiracy for revolution devised by Bill Ayers.

LIE: "They live half a mile from William Ayers, the unrepentant terrorist" and "Just a half a mile from those homes is Louis Farrakhan."(Hannity's America, October 5, 2008, "Obama and His Friends: History of Radicalism")
TRUTH: It's true, of course, that Obama lives in this same neighborhood, as do tens of thousands of other people who presumably are also guilty by geographical association. The logic of this argument would be, if you live half a mile from a sex offender, then you agree with child molesters.

LIE: Obama and Ayers "appeared together at various public engagements...it would seem that they are more than just a little bit friendly."(Sean Hannity, Hannity's America, October 5, 2008, "Obama and His Friends: History of Radicalism")
TRUTH: Appearing on a speaking panel is not a sign of friendship. There is no evidence that Obama had any role in ever inviting Ayers to speak.

LIE: In 1995, Ayers and Dohrn "hosted a political coming out party for a young Barack Obama."(Sean Hannity, Hannity's America, October 5, 2008, "Obama and His Friends: History of Radicalism")
TRUTH: This was an event for Alice Palmer, not a "coming-out party" for Obama. Obama was invited by Palmer to the event.
But long before tonight's Hannity, the right-wing has been spreading a series of lies about Obama and Ayers.

LIE: "Bill Ayers is an unrepentant terrorist."
TRUTH: Bill Ayers is not, and apparently never was, a terrorist. The conventional definition of a terrorist is someone who tries to kill innocent people for political purposes. As Factcheck.org noted, In fact, nobody died as a result of bombings in which Ayers said he participated as part of the Weather Underground. (Factcheck.org (http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/taking_liberties_in_philadelphia.html))

LIE: "I'm sure he's very patriotic, but his relationship with Mr. Ayers is open to question....Because, if you're going to associate and have as a friend and serve on a board and have a guy kick off your campaign that says he's unrepentant, that he wished he'd bombed more. And then, the worst thing of all, that I think really indicates Senator Obama's attitude, is he had the incredible statement that he compared Mr. Ayers, an unrepentant terrorist -- an unrepentant terrorist, with Senator Tom Coburn. Senator Coburn, a physician who goes to Oklahoma on the weekends and brings babies into life.' (John McCain, April 20, 2008, ABC's This Week with George Stephanopoulos (http://mediamatters.org/items/200808260020?f=i_latest))
TRUTH: Obama was not friends with Ayers. Ayers did not kick off Obama's campaign. And Obama was not comparing Ayers' actions with Coburn. Obama was pointing out that he works with people even when he disagrees with them.

LIE: "Obama's oldest friend in politics is a murderer and unrepentant terrorist. Why are they friends?"(ExposeObama.com email, Sept. 7, 2008)
TRUTH: Ayers isn't Obama's oldest friend in politics.

LIE: Ayers was "Obama's boss."(Jerome Corsi, p. 147)
TRUTH: The chair of a foundation board is not the boss of the members.

LIE: Jerome Corsi claimed Alice "Palmer would never have introduced Obama to the Hyde Park political community at the Ayres-Dohrn home unless she saw an affinity between Ayers and Dohrn's radical leftist history, her own history of far-leftist politics, and the politics of Barack Obama."(p. 137)
TRUTH: The event wasn't held primarily for Obama. It was Palmer's own announcement that she would run for Congress. Obama was there as Palmer's endorsed successor for her Senate seat, but there's no evidence that he had any role in deciding to hold it at Ayers' home.

LIE: Jerome Corsi claims about Obama: "either he did not know Ayers and Dohrn are still radical leftists--in which case he is implausibly naive--or Obama did know, which would confirm he joined with Ayers and Dohrn because Obama too continues to believe, albeit silently and secretly, in the Far Left's radical agenda."(p. 140)
TRUTH: Obama probably knew Ayers was a leftist, but he didn't care. Obama believes in the notion of a free society, where you work with people you disagree with.

LIE: "Even today, Ayers appears to hold the same radical political beliefs he did in the Weather Underground, and Obama had to know that was also the case when he first met Ayers in 1995."(Jerome Corsi, p. 147)
TRUTH: Corsi doesn't explain how Obama "had to know" Ayers' views on politics when he first met him. Telepathy? Mind-reading?

LIE: David Freddoso calls Obama's distant connection with Bill Ayers "a remarkable relationship for a presidential nominee to have."(p. 122)
TRUTH: It reality, it's not remarkable at all. The notion that people should resign from foundations and refuse to speak in public in order to avoid any connection to a former radical never convicted of a crime is absurd.

LIE: "The major media simply have not reported on Obama's two years at New York's Columbia University, where, among other things, he lived a mere quarter-mile from former terrorist Bill Ayers."(Tony Blankley (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/09/the_man_who_never_was.html%29), September 24, 2008)
TRUTH: Thousands upon thousands of people lived near Bill Ayers in Manhattan. Obama didn't know Ayers.

LIE: Mr. Ayers founded CAC and was its guiding spirit. No one would have been appointed the CAC chairman without his approval. (Stanley Kurtz, Wall Street Journal (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122212856075765367.html))
TRUTH: Kurtz has no evidence to support his claim. Ayers was one of several people involved in starting the group, and was not its guiding spirit. According to the New York Times reporting, Obama was recruited by other CAC leaders who knew him through the Joyce Foundation.

LIE: Mr. Obama and Mr. Ayers worked as a team to advance the CAC agenda. (Stanley Kurtz, Wall Street Journal (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122212856075765367.html))
TRUTH: Kurtz has no evidence that Obama and Ayers worked as a team. Ayers attended six meetings of the group along with Obama.

LIE: "Obama is hanging around with Bill Ayers and Jeremiah Wright. By the way, Bill Ayers advertised himself as being a communist with a small c just when he was beginning to
partner with Obama on the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. (Stanley Kurtz, Hudson Institute (http://www.hudson.org/files/documents/BradleyCenter/Transcript_2008_10_01.pdf%29), Washington DC, October 1, 2008)
TRUTH: Contrary to this McCarthyist attack, there's no evidence that Obama ever knew that Ayers supposedly called himself a communist, nor is that a good reason for Obama to end his work on school reform and charitable activities.

LIE: "who provided Obama with the only executive experience he has ever had in his young life? Bill Ayers, unrepentant domestic terrorist, communist revolutionary... (Joseph Farah (http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=76714), World Net Daily, October 2, 2008)
TRUTH: Ayers did not provide Obama with the Chicago Annenberg Challenge job. And Obama has also had executive experience in community organizing, running a voter registration drive, as well as running his campaigns. The New York Times reported, "In fact, according to several people involved, Mr. Ayers played no role in Mr. Obama's appointment. Instead, it was suggested by Deborah Leff, then president of the Joyce Foundation, a Chicago-based group whose board Mr. Obama, a young lawyer, had joined the previous year."(Scott Shane, New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/04/us/politics/04ayers.html?_r=1&oref=slogin&ref=politics&pagewanted=print), October 4, 2008)

LIE: "Barack Obama is friends with Ayers, defending him as quote 'respectable and mainstream.'"(American Issues Project ad (http://www.americanissuesproject.org/pdf/AIP_Know_Enough_Research.pdf), August 2008)
TRUTH: David Axelrod described them as "friendly," not friends. Obama didn't call Ayers respectable and mainstream (although Ayers now is); Obama's campaign on his website posted an op-ed in the press that described Ayers that way.

LIE: "I can't understand why somebody who wants to be president of the United States, I'll be perfectly honest with you, would want to associate or not condemn the actions of people in the past."(Paul Ragonese (http://mediamatters.org/items/200804280004?f=s_search), April 27, 2008, Fox News' Hannity's America)
TRUTH: Obama has condemned the past actions of Bill Ayers and called him somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago. (April 16, 2008 debate (http://thehill.com/byron-york/barack-and-the-bomber-2008-04-17.html))

LIE: About Bill Ayers, "Barack Obama really couldn't bring himself to say 'you know, I really don't like that guy.' That was too much for him to say. He had to talk about what a decent guy he is and what a good professor."(Jim Geraghty, "Hype: The Obama Effect")
TRUTH: There is no record of Obama during the campaign calling Ayers "decent" and "a good professor." In fact, Obama really did bring himself to criticize Ayers, denouncing him during a Democratic debate as "somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago."

LIE: "Obama was feted at a fundraising event" at Ayers' home.("Hype: The Obama Effect")
TRUTH: Obama never had a fundraising event at Ayers' home.

LIE: Barack Obama and Bill Ayers had a close working relationship...the two of them were running the foundation together. (Stanley Kurtz, Fox News Channel's Fox and Friends, September 29, 2008)
TRUTH: Kurtz has no evidence of a "close working relationship" beyond attending a few meetings together. The notion that Obama and Ayers were the only ones running the Chicago Annenberg Challenge is absolutely false.

LIE: "The most important smoking gun is that Barack Obama was funding Bill Ayers' radical educational projects."(Stanley Kurtz, Fox News Channel's Fox and Friends, September 29, 2008)
TRUTH: This is false. Obama was the president of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, not its dictator. There's no evidence that Obama made any funding decisions. Moreover, it would have been completely unprofessional for anyone, including Obama, to ban Bill Ayers from receiving funding for educational projects because of alleged radical activities decades earlier which Ayers was never convicted of. Kurtz has no evidence that projects were judged based on anything other than their merits. This is a pure smear by association.

LIE: Emails "give us strong evidence that there may have been a cover-up in Bill Ayers' role choosing Barack Obama."(Stanley Kurtz, Fox News Channel's Fox and Friends, September 29, 2008)
TRUTH: This is a fabrication. The email Kurtz is referring to shows absolutely no kind of cover up. In fact, it shows exactly the opposite. In his blog (http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NTM4ZmU1NGFkODJlMjhmYjkxMjg4Y2Q0NTVlYjAzMmY=&w=MQ==), Kurtz quotes the entire email Ken Rolling wrote to CAC founders Warren Chapman and Anne Hallett and notes that Sam Dillon, Education Reporter for the New York Times, was working on an article. Rolling wrote about Dillon, He is trying to understand how Barack got 'picked' for the CAC board, by whom, why, etc. - I have avoided that question head-on though I believe Barack was Debbie Leff's/Joyce nomination." This email reveals no kind of cover-up, and the New York Times article found several sources that said Obama was not picked by Ayers.

LIE: "There is a secret group in the Obama-Biden campaign tasked with shutting off any leaks from the record that links Barack Obama to his longtime adviser and mentor Bill Ayers, professor of education at the University of Illinois and unrepentant Weatherman terrorist and fugitive from the 1970s....There is a substantial independent report from a major Democratic source that confirms Diamond's suspicions. The source confirms the unit is led by Bill Ayers himself and likely includes Tom Hayden and other members of 'Progressives for Obama.' Most critically, the Democratic source says this unit has direct access to media adviser David Axelrod of the Obama-Biden campaign."(John Batchelor, Human Events (http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=28508), September 12, 2008)
TRUTH: There is no "secret group." Hayden reports, "I am not part of any effort, personal or organized, trying to protect Obama against any leaks." The notion that Ayers is leading the "unit" is laughable. According to the University of Illinois library, "all papers have been available since August 26" about the school reform group that Ayers and Obama worked on. Diamond, the source cited for the existence of the "unit," declares (http://globallabor.blogspot.com/2008/09/yellow-journalism-human-events.html), "I have no evidence of such a unit." Diamond added, "I told Batchelor that I would not speak to Human Events yet he made up a quote from me and placed it in his article."


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-k-wilson/30-lies-refuted-about-aye_b_132109.html

[jaguarr]

Transcript with translation!

:lmao: Oh, someone HAS to get a recording of this on the net so we can actually hear it!

jag

[hammerhedd11]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/jaguarr/shh/McCainEyes.gif

jag

Yes...a big surprise. I can admit my mistakes.

[Da Docta]

:lmao: Oh, someone HAS to get a recording of this on the net so we can actually hear it!

jaghttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcEiR01QK7o

[The Senator]

Not if you use an expandable pirate's telescope! :oldrazz:

Or Google Earth! :up:

[jaguarr]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcEiR01QK7o

:heart:

jag

[hammerhedd11]

How does it turn into a hate ad?



Did I say that? No.

My point was that, while Manson was responisible for orchestrating murders (though not actually committing them), Ayers was NOT.

My point was that your original "comparison" was invalid.

:hehe:

Oh, wow. What do you think the bombs in the restrooms were meant for? The bombs under the dancefloor at Fort Tix? The judge's car? His plan to murder the over 25 million that believed in Capitalism. Are you serious?

[jaguarr]

Yes...a big surprise. I can admit my mistakes.

Yes, after you called me a liar repeatedly after I explained I wasn't talking about you multiple times. :whatever:

jag

[Marx]

Or Google Earth! :up:

That too! (There's alot less strain on the eyes with Google Earth.) :funny:

[The Senator]

I sincerely hope Obama wins solely so I can laugh in the faces of those who thought William Ayers would actually work. Ayers has had no effect on the polls in the past four weeks, and the majority of voters do not care about William Ayers (according to opinion polling). The McCain campaign has seriously wasted so much time talking about this, as well as "Joe" the "Plumber," when it should have discussed issues which voters actually CARE about.

[The Battousai]

:hehe:

Oh, wow. What do you think the bombs in the restrooms were meant for? The bombs under the dancefloor at Fort Tix? The judge's car? His plan to murder the over 25 million that believed in Capitalism. Are you serious?

You have yet to provide a (reputable) source for these claims

[jaguarr]

I like "Tito The Builder". When he showed up, that's when I knew it had reached epic levels of stupid.

jag

[hammerhedd11]

Yes, after you called me a liar repeatedly after I explained I wasn't talking about you multiple times. :whatever:

jag

Sir, I'm sorry that I did that. I apologize and acknowledge that I was wrong. Can you not accept that?

[Marx]

I like "Tito The Builder". When he showed up, that's when I knew it had reached epic levels of stupid.

jag

Epic levels indeed, Jag.

[jaguarr]

Sir, I'm sorry that I did that. I apologize and acknowledge that I was wrong. Can you not accept that?

Apology accepted. Just don't be so quick to whip out the word "liar" or variations of it on people, man. :up:

jag

[hammerhedd11]

You have yet to provide a (reputable) source for these claims

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/eyewitness-to-the-ayers-revolution/

[hammerhedd11]

Apology accepted. Just don't be so quick to whip out the word "liar" or variations of it on people, man. :up:

jag

Thank you. :yay:

[The Battousai]

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/eyewitness-to-the-ayers-revolution/

Blogs are not reputable or reliable sources of information.

[hammerhedd11]

It's not a blog. Pajamas Media is a news orginization. They have paid reporters. And the story has sources anyway.

[The Senator]

Daily Kos also has paid reporters... but I doubt you'd consider that a reputable news source...

Same thing with the National Enquirer...

[souvlaki]

lol....

http://www.tindeck.com/audio/filestore/w/wwdo-SarahPalin.mp3

Sarah Palin gets a prank call.