The Sarah Palin Thread (You can see Russia from this thread)

[terry78]

So it's looking more and more like she is the definite veep candidate for McCain. I have never heard of the woman until this morning, and if you haven't as well, here are some fun facts below via Wiki.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin


It's not official yet I assume, but will she make as much of a difference as Biden?


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2d/Palin1.JPG

[StorminNorman]

Considering Biden's pick reduced Obama's poll numbers, I am guessing she will have a better impact.

[Mr Sparkle]

really? out of left field then.......I guess it would make sense for McCain to do something like this.
"look there's a woman on my campaign!!!! look, look at her!" it was either a woman, or a crippled Nigerian kid.
well, if it is, and she is indeed qualified for the job "yay" if it's just a PR move "boo"

[kane9321]

she aint bad lookin either...I'd hit

[SuperT]

This woman has GOT too see that she is nothing more then a tool for the Republican party, I mean really. What is she thinking in the back of her head?

This is a strong slap in the face to the women of America.

[StorminNorman]

I love how incredibly sexist most are being about this pick :lmao:

[kytrigger]

I've hoped Palin would be the his VP pick for a while now but never honestly thought she would get past teh "initial consideration" portion. If this comes true, it'll actually help me vote for McCain personally. While I've been leaning towards him anyway, it has been a conflicted choice to say the least.

[terry78]

I guess it all comes down to who ya wants to lead yer country...a negro or a broad. :o

:p

[Zen]

whats the deal with palin firing the police officer or something Stormin? will it affect her at all?

[StorminNorman]

whats the deal with palin firing the police officer or something Stormin? will it affect her at all?

The story seems to be having no traction - if it did, she wouldn't of been the pick. She has the support of most of Alaska on the "scandal".

She has a long long record of tackling corruption and government waste - so I am not worried at all.

[Franklin Richards]

Or McCain just forgot.


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[Mr Sparkle]

I love how incredibly sexist most are being about this pick :lmao:
don't you think it's more like being realistic?:huh:
at least there was some indication that the democratic party had found their rockstar in Obama, and thus his nomination, or Clinton's for that matter, well, they we'rent really surprising.
however, out of all the possible VP's thrown around for McCain Palin was never Mentioned, nor particularly prominent.
you know if the roles were reversed and the democrats did this,you'd be questioning the hell out it right?

[Raiden]

Looks like McCain is going after the disillusioned Hillary voters with this pick.

[BlackestNight]

I have a feeling that in the coming weeks, non-uber devoted Clintonite, feminist are going to rip her open like a Thanksgiving turkey in the middle of an orphanage filled with Starving Ethiopian children.:oldrazz::funny:
:ikyn

[SuBe]

This woman has GOT too see that she is nothing more then a tool for the Republican party, I mean really. What is she thinking in the back of her head?

This is a strong slap in the face to the women of America.
Maybe She's thinking that Liberty is more important than Designated Classes. Just because she is a woman, doesn't mean she can't favor lower taxes, reduced spending, and individual freedoms. :whatever:

[StorminNorman]

don't you think it's more like being realistic?:huh:
at least there was some indication that the democratic party had found their rockstar in Obama, and thus his nomination, or Clinton's for that matter, well, they we'rent really surprising.
however, out of all the possible VP's thrown around for McCain Palin was never Mentioned, nor particularly prominent.
you know if the roles were reversed and the democrats did this,you'd be questioning the hell out it right?

No - I wouldn't be.

Palin's record in Alaska IS impressive, she seems to be a warrior against corruption and has huge experience with the nation most pressing to the majority of the country: oil and energy.

She ads youth and excitement to a ticket that desperately needed that.

I think her gender was a factor - mainly because it limits Obama's attacks and message, but I don't think she is a token VP at all.

Also - I have heard that Obama just released a message that basically states that McCain picking Palin is "more of the same"...I really really REALLY hope they keep that as their go-attack on Palin.

[jaguarr]

I guess it all comes down to who ya wants to lead yer country...a negro or a broad. :o

:p

<Wesley Snipes>Always bet on black!</Wesley Snipes>

Sorry...it was like an OCD thing and I HAD to type that in response. :(

I have a feeling that in the coming weeks, non-uber devoted Clintonite, feminist are going to rip her open like a Thanksgiving turkey in the middle of an orphanage filled with Starving Ethiopian children.:oldrazz::funny:
:ikyn

LMFAO! Jesus, man...what an image! :funny:

jag

[Franklin Richards]

Bro's before Ho's!


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[X Knight]

wow!! I must say this pick was certainly........out of left field!!

I thought McCain would pick Romeny or that Pawlenty guy.

But......wow!! My only concern would be her somewhat lack of experience, as that slightly undercuts McCain's ( and my ) biggest attack against Obama.

However, a counter to that would be that she's actually GOVERNOR of a state and was mayor before. So she does have some executive experience. She also seems to be strong on "core conservative principles" while still being somewhat of a maverick herself, fighting against corruption in politics. And she does seem to be a very strong and independent minded woman.

Anyways.......as a young, male conservative....I must say this is TRULY AN HISTORIC CAMPAIGN!!!

No matter which party wins, for the 1st time in history, we will have the 1st AFRICAN AMERICAN president in the whitehouse, or the 1st FEMALE vice president in the whitehouse.

so.........truly historic indeed.......go McCain/ Palin!!!!

[terry78]

Bro's before Ho's!


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Shia didn't play that in TF, so I don't know how we'll do. Now if she looked like Megan Fox, maybe.

[Zen]

Also - I have heard that Obama just released a message that basically states that McCain picking Palin is "more of the same"...I really really REALLY hope they keep that as their go-attack on Palin.

Is palin a change candidate? does she represent a change from bush doctrine?

[terry78]

Is palin a change candidate? does she represent a change from bush doctrine?

A huntin', blue-collar politican who supports the war and has family there. Yeah, she is.

[Mr Sparkle]

No - I wouldn't be.

Palin's record in Alaska IS impressive, she seems to be a warrior against corruption and has huge experience with the nation most pressing to the majority of the country: oil and energy.

She ads youth and excitement to a ticket that desperately needed that.

I think her gender was a factor - mainly because it limits Obama's attacks and message, but I don't think she is a token VP at all.

Also - I have heard that Obama just released a message that basically states that McCain picking Palin is "more of the same"...I really really REALLY hope they keep that as their go-attack on Palin.

I didn't say, or even imply that she didn't have positive aspects.
as to the "youth and excitement" thing?:o if grandpa starts hanging out with your friends and talking about the new "rise against" record?
guess what. he is still grandpa, so while you might be right I remain skeptical about this.
if say John Edwards had gotten the nod from the dems, and people called him "more of the same" and weeks prior there was speculation of him picking Biden, hell Kerry (just as an example) and then he picked Bill Richardson.
I would be like "waiiiiiiiit a minute....." wouldn't you? and Richardson is quite qualified.last I checked.

[Raiden]

Interesting that McCain picks someone for VP who isn't much more experienced than Obama.

[StorminNorman]

Is palin a change candidate? does she represent a change from bush doctrine?

Would you consider a politician who has made her mark in cutting government corruption and cutting government costs - including her own salary in some cases - a change from the Bush doctrine?

[Gilpesh]

Would you consider a politician who has made her mark in cutting government corruption and cutting government costs - including her own salary in some cases - a change from the Bush doctrine?

It's early in her career... she has to look good now. Then later she can go crazy like Bush and McCain.

[StorminNorman]

I didn't say, or even imply that she didn't have positive aspects.
as to the "youth and excitement" thing?:o if grandpa starts hanging out with your friends and talking about the new "rise against" record?
guess what. he is still grandpa, so while you might be right I remain skeptical about this.
if say John Edwards had gotten the nod from the dems, and people called him "more of the same" and weeks prior there was speculation of him picking Biden, hell Kerry (just as an example) and then he picked Bill Richardson.
I would be like "waiiiiiiiit a minute....." wouldn't you? and Richardson is quite qualified.last I checked.

No because speculation is very rarely ever relevant or based on reality.

[X Knight]

she's more of an outsider than Biden.........lol.

[SuBe]

wow!! I must say this pick was certainly........out of left field!!

I thought McCain would pick Romeny or that Pawlenty guy.

But......wow!! My only concern would be her somewhat lack of experience, as that slightly undercuts McCain's ( and my ) biggest attack against Obama.

However, a counter to that would be that she's actually GOVERNOR of a state and was mayor before. So she does have some executive experience. She also seems to be strong on "core conservative principles" while still being somewhat of a maverick herself, fighting against corruption in politics. And she does seem to be a very strong and independent minded woman.

Anyways.......as a young, male conservative....I must say this is TRULY AN HISTORIC CAMPAIGN!!!

No matter which party wins, for the 1st time in history, we will have the 1st AFRICAN AMERICAN president in the whitehouse, or the 1st FEMALE vice president in the whitehouse.

so.........truly historic indeed.......go McCain/ Palin!!!!
I agree. She has more Public Service Experience than Obama, she fights for her beliefs, fights Corruption, and Cuts Spending. I'm actually excited about this ticket.

[Malice]

She is HOT!

[Malice]

She has my vote.

[Mr Sparkle]

No because speculation is very rarely ever relevant or based on reality.


well like I said I would, because simply recognizing something as strategic doesn't make it less valid, just strategic.

[terry78]

She has my vote.

You are ready to move up from Hype administration to political pundit, my friend.

[Franklin Richards]

She has my vote.


McCain could have announced that his running mate was Corky and he'd have your vote.

:D


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[StorminNorman]

Obama's press release on the Palin pick downplayed the importance of small towns - a bad move on his campaign's part.

[Tron5000]

Does anyone think Obama and Biden will go after Palin for her "lack of experience"?

[DACrowe]

Wow. I was so sure it was going to be Pawlenty. Who knew? This is a shrewd political decision on McCain's part for two reasons: a) She is governor of Alaska and supports offshore drilling in her state (in a wildlife REFUGE no less) which is the first legitimate issue that for better or worse brought Obama back to earth in the polls. And b) She is a woman, so McCain is obviously reaching out to disgruntled Hillary supporters who polls show are still at 3 million or so. I think this will cause at least a third of that to flock to the ticket, at least for the next week or two.

If no controversies come out about her -- though I'm already hearing one in that she fired a department head on a personal family reason -- then well played Mr. McCain, well played.


To add one thing though: When I heard this, besides the shock of who it was, it seemed really like bad judgement on McCain's behalf to pick someone who has only been governor for two years, thereby giving her less "national level" experience than Barack Obama. Yes she was a mayor for many years, but that is on a local level and Obama was in the state legislature for just as long and no matter how short his stint was as a community organizer....it all kind of matched up.

I will say this, she will give McCain a bump in the following week for angry Hillary Clinton supporters, but I have doubts if she will go well toe-to-toe with Joe Biden, time will tell. In any case, I just have to go. :eek:

[SuBe]

Is palin a change candidate? does she represent a change from bush doctrine?
Well, she's for spending cuts, which Bush has only said he's for, but hasn't proven it in 8 years.

[Franklin Richards]

No but Biden might point out the similarities and bring to light how ridiculous that argument is.


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[Zen]

Im just confused, john McCain said he would choose someone who could be ready to be President should anything happen to him.

Shes been a govenor for a whole year. can he really make the experience argument anymore?

:confused:

[Mr Sparkle]

it's McCain's tacit endorsement/invalidation of all his "inexperience" claims against Obama.

[Malice]

Honestly....I have never even heard of her.
I read some information and she actually sounds interesting.

[bunk]

A Biden/Palin debate will be.... interesting.

[SuBe]

Obama's press release on the Palin pick downplayed the importance of small towns - a bad move on his campaign's part.
Can someone post it?

[Mr Sparkle]

But seriously.....wasn't McCain's largest attacks against Obama his "inexperience"?
he should've picked Abe Lincoln's reanimated corpse over this woman, yet.....?
no one here seeing the irony?

[Tron5000]

Sarah Palin on the Issues

http://palinforvp.blogspot.com/2007/02/palin-on-issues.html


FREE MARKET – “I am a conservative Republican, a firm believer in free market capitalism. A free market system allows all parties to compete, which ensures the best and most competitive project emerges, and ensures a fair, democratic process.”

GUNS AND HUNTING - “I am a lifetime member of the NRA, I support our Constitutional right to bear arms and am a proponent of gun safety programs for Alaska's youth….I have always strongly supported the personal use of fish and game by Alaskans. I grew up hunting and fishing in Alaska, and I am proud to raise my children with this same uniquely Alaskan heritage. … Anti-hunting groups who oppose hunting and fishing rights will be the winners if we allow them to pit us against ourselves….As an Alaskan with strong beliefs on this issue, I am confident in my ability to build consensus among diverse user groups and reconcile the many competing interests in a manner.”

SMALL BUSINESS – “As Mayor and CEO of the booming city of Wasilla, my team invited investment and encouraged business growth by eliminating small business inventory taxes, eliminated personal property taxes, reduced real property tax mill levies every year I was in office, reduced fees, and built the infrastructure our businesses needed to grow and prosper.”

MILITARY - “I respect our military personnel and understand the importance of Alaska's National Guard. As I watched our military men and women being deployed I recognized how important it is for their families to know how much Alaska and America support them.”

HEALTH CARE – “I support flexibility in government regulations that allow competition in health care that is needed, and is proven to be good for the consumer, which will drive down health care costs and reduce the need for government subsidies. I also support patients in their rightful demands to have access to full medical billing information.”

SOCIAL ISSUES – “I am pro-life and I believe that marriage should only be between and man and a woman.”

ENVIRONMENT – “Regimes to protect Stellar Sea Lions must be based on sound science not personal agendas…I will fight in every way possible to make sure that our fishing communities are protected from the personal agendas of federal fishery managers”

“I believe in protecting Alaska's environment through fair enforcement of our environmental laws. Having a clean record on environmental regulation is critical to getting ANWR open and maintaining our fisheries mining, timber, and tourism industries.”

[Raiden]

Does anyone think Obama and Biden will go after Palin for her "lack of experience"?

Well, McCain is still going after Obama about his lack of experience, so I don't see why not since she doesn't have it more than Obama (being a governor for 1 year in Alaska doesn't scream experienced).

[Tron5000]

No but Biden might point out the similarities and bring to light how ridiculous that argument is.


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Obama has no executive experience. Palin has been mayor and CEO of a city, was elected president of the Alaska Conference of Mayors (in her first year), has experience at the executive level as governor of a state (in which position she is in charge of the Alaska National Guard), she served on Alaska's Oil & Natural Gas Conservation Commission...Obama has never run as much as a corner drug store.

[Gilpesh]

MILITARY - “I respect our military personnel and understand the importance of Alaska's National Guard. As I watched our military men and women being deployed I recognized how important it is for their families to know how much Alaska and America support them.”

Wow... way to say nothing at all. It didn't make you want them to come back soon? Or get better equipment so they won't die?

[Franklin Richards]

An alderman in Chicago prolly has more political acumen than the governor of Alaska. Much less a state senator.


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[Tron5000]

Wow... way to say nothing at all. It didn't make you want them to come back soon? Or get better equipment so they won't die?

I'm sorry. She should've written a book. I'm sure there are many more quotes from her on the military (you know, since she has a son in the military and all). Feel free to search. Way to knock a quote because of what it lacked.

[The Senator]

Last night, I went to bed thinking that McCain would pick one of the two most logical choices for his running mate. Tim Pawlenty, a proven conservative and semi-popular governor of a swing state, or Mitt Romney, a man who claims he's a conservative even though he never governed as one in a state which can't stand him anymore. This morning, when I awoke, I was so pissed off I shouted "Why not Sebelius! We've just lost this ****ing thing!"

Then I thought about what Palin's selection meant several minutes later. For a candidate who pummeled his opponent for being inexperienced, McCain certainly has to put his foot in his mouth now that he has selected someone with only twenty months of experience under her belt as governor. And while he selected a governor as his running mate, he selected the governor of one of the most irrelevant states in the country, a state McCain was almost guaranteed to win anyway (despite how close the polls are there). AND, to top it all off, he picks a governor who is caught up in a corruption scandal on her own, which reeks of the politics Obama spoke out against last night.

So, what does Palin's selection mean? Quite simple: McCain selected her ONLY because she is a young, fairly attractive woman. That is the only reason. There are dozens of other women he could have selected who share similar values as he does. Hutchison, Snowe, Collins, Dole, Rice... but he selected the young one, the inexperienced one, in an attempt to not only get middle aged women to vote for him, but to siphon youth voters into his column as well.

I thought history might have taught John McCain a lesson or two about picking a running mate solely based on gender. The last time that happened, the candidate was not only unqualified for the job, but she herself was involved in quite the scandal. And while she was selected solely because she was a woman, that did not help the ticket at all. People voted for the incumbent president, based on national mood, and the state of the nation at the time. They voted for security, economics, and good feeling. This time, the national mood will also determine this election. Not race, and not gender. I believe this is the biggest blunder in VP politics in twenty-four years.

I applaud McCain for being a trailblazer, I guess. Good luck to McCain/ Ferraro 2.0 :up:

[Matt]

You just c&p'ed that. I'm on to you Jman. :cmad: :cwink: :heart:

[Gilpesh]

I'm sorry. She should've written a book. I'm sure there are many more quotes from her on the military (you know, since she has a son in the military and all). Feel free to search. Way to knock a quote because of what it lacked.

Everyone does it?


And actually, if you wanted to represent her opinion on the military better... you should have posted a better quote.

[Tron5000]

An alderman in Chicago prolly has more political acumen than the governor of Alaska. Much less a state senator.


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Don't really trust anyone involved in Chicago politics. The Chicago Gangster-style stifling of any discussion of Obama's relationship with Bill Ayers (which is extensive, which Barack lied about, and which will help to derail his campaign), and their attempts to prosecute (yes, they went to the Justice Department over this) anyone who does mention it are absolutely disgusting.

[The Senator]

You just c&p'ed that. I'm on to you Jman. :cmad: :cwink: :heart:

I know... I just plagiarized myself. :csad:

[sinewave]

man, what a knee-jerk reaction this was on mccain's part. it's like he knows he's got no shot in the general election so he's basically scrambling to get disgruntled hillary supporters on his side. once they realize how conservative she is and basically stands in direct opposition of everything clinton stands for, i'm pretty sure they'll snap out of it.

[Tron5000]

Everyone does it?


And actually, if you wanted to represent her opinion on the military better... you should have posted a better quote.

I quickly posted some quotes found on the palinforgovernor.com site. You want more info? Find it yourself. It's called a search engine. I hear Google's a pretty good one.

[Tron5000]

man, what a knee-jerk reaction this was on mccain's part. it's like he knows he's got no shot in the general election so he's basically scrambling to get disgruntled hillary supporters on his side. once they realize how conservative she is and basically stands in direct opposition of everything clinton stands for, i'm pretty sure they'll snap out of it.

"No shot in the general election"? Considering the polls all show them almost tied, and Gore led by 16 after the Dem Convention in 2000, I'd say your statement is...odd?

[Excel]

She needs to let her hair down and take off the glasses...

She looks good walking out, but not gonna lie, her voice is quite annoying.

[The Senator]

She needs to let her hair down and take off the glasses...

She looks good walking out, but not gonna lie, her voice is quite annoying.

She sounds like the mother from "Bobby's World."

[Golgo-13]

Smart move by McCain.

I see why she has 5 kids..her husband can't keep his hands off her; and rightly so. She's one hot mama! :up:

She looks like a HOTTER version of Tina Fey.

But yes, her voice is rather annoying.

[Humphrey Bogart]

man, what a knee-jerk reaction this was on mccain's part. it's like he knows he's got no shot in the general election so he's basically scrambling to get disgruntled hillary supporters on his side. once they realize how conservative she is and basically stands in direct opposition of everything clinton stands for, i'm pretty sure they'll snap out of it.

Maybe having someone who is actually conservative in practice would help. Being Republican and conservative are not the same thing. Bush is the poster -boy for that. Having a bloated government, a bloated deficit, ect are not exactly conservative ideals.

[Franklin Richards]

I'm so tired of the God and Country speech.


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[Excel]

She does look good, and I was impressed when she walked in and interested to hear her speak, but DAMN is her voice hard to listen to!

[Gilpesh]

I quickly posted some quotes found on the palinforgovernor.com site. You want more info? Find it yourself. It's called a search engine. I hear Google's a pretty good one.

Nope. I refuse. You have to do all this searching... cause you understand this strange thing called 'Google'.

[sinewave]

"No shot in the general election"? Considering the polls all show them almost tied, and Gore led by 16 after the Dem Convention in 2000, I'd say your statement is...odd?

i've got faith that americans are smart enough to know when a bad thing has gone on long enough and must be changed for the better.

[sinewave]

Maybe having someone who is actually conservative in practice would help. Being Republican and conservative are not the same thing. Bush is the poster -boy for that. Having a bloated government, a bloated deficit, ect are not exactly conservative ideals.

or maybe giving a progressive a shot would help... just sayin'.

[Franklin Richards]

Did they just cheer the "Good Ol' Boy Network"?


yeesh


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[Excel]

Im sorry, but I just dont see it :huh:

This is pretty unimpressive thus far.

[Humphrey Bogart]

or maybe giving a progressive a shot would help... just sayin'.

Who is this progressive you speak of?

[Franklin Richards]

Did you know that McCain was a P.O.W.? Hmmm. Well that changes everything.


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[Tron5000]

i've got faith that americans are smart enough to know when a bad thing has gone on long enough and must be changed for the better.

Well, considering that neither Bush or Cheney are running for office, I'd say "changed" will be a safe bet.

And it was awesome how Obama (and all the speakers at the DNC, for that matter) kept attacking Bush. John McCain is not George Bush. Never has been and never will be.

Yes, he voted with Bush 90% of the time. But many of those votes (a great many) were unanimous votes within the Senate, on such things as passing a measure recognizing the New York Giants for their Super Bowl win, or congratulating the Florida football team for becoming national champs. He was against Bush on many issues, such as the need for a stronger military force at the outset of the Iraq War, the need to remove Rumsfeld, McCain-Feingold (which I'm not in favor of, but where he and Bush were not aligned), the Bush tax cuts (he supports them now, and he did not support them then because he felt other things should have been included in the bill)...McCain is no Bush 2.0. And the more the libs try to make them the same person, all McCain needs to do is back away from Bush and illustrate to the American people exactly how they differ from one another.

[kane9321]

Her voice IS annoying..ahhh god

[Excel]

That was the most inneffective speech I have watched in a while.

[bunk]

McCain has managed to even up the age numbers a little. Combined ages make them 116 to the Dem's 113.

[SuBe]

That was the most inneffective speech I have watched in a while.
You must have missed Obama's speech yesterday.

[RAMORE]

This woman has GOT too see that she is nothing more then a tool for the Republican party, I mean really. What is she thinking in the back of her head?

This is a strong slap in the face to the women of America.

How is this a slap in the face. Republicans our the first party to give a woman a chance at VP that's HUGE!

[Tron5000]

You must have missed Obama's speech yesterday.

But, dude, there were fireworks, and stuff! That was totally rad!

Oh, and a song by Brooks & Dunn. WTF???

[sinewave]

Who is this progressive you speak of?

take a guess.

Well, considering that neither Bush or Cheney are running for office, I'd say "changed" will be a safe bet.

And it was awesome how Obama (and all the speakers at the DNC, for that matter) kept attacking Bush. John McCain is not George Bush. Never has been and never will be.

Yes, he voted with Bush 90% of the time. But many of those votes (a great many) were unanimous votes within the Senate, on such things as passing a measure recognizing the New York Giants for their Super Bowl win, or congratulating the Florida football team for becoming national champs. He was against Bush on many issues, such as the need for a stronger military force at the outset of the Iraq War, the need to remove Rumsfeld, McCain-Feingold (which I'm not in favor of, but where he and Bush were not aligned), the Bush tax cuts (he supports them now, and he did not support them then because he felt other things should have been included in the bill)...McCain is no Bush 2.0. And the more the libs try to make them the same person, all McCain needs to do is back away from Bush and illustrate to the American people exactly how they differ from one another.

lol. he's close enough. he's proven he's willing to sell out his ideals to become president. why should we trust him? plus he's going to **** over the middle and lower class even more with phil gramm's economic policy. no thanks. i'll take the more positive choice over the negativity of the gop.

[Excel]

You must have missed Obama's speech yesterday.

Um, no. Obama delivered a great spech wonderfully...I dunno if her speech was good, but I couldnt stand listen her. Id openly say if I was impressed; but to was more the opposite.

[bunk]

Oh, and a song by Brooks & Dunn. WTF???


Shot at Bush.

[Excel]

But, dude, there were fireworks, and stuff! That was totally rad!

Oh, and a song by Brooks & Dunn. WTF???

Yes, because we all loved his speech due to the fireworks, not the gop mauling. :whatever:

[Franklin Richards]

Shot at Bush.


More of an attempt to bring back the NASCAR voter.


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[bunk]

More of an attempt to bring back the NASCAR voter.


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Maybe... I just know it was a song Bush used to campaign with.

[jaguarr]

Lame speech. And, I'm not making this up, my dogs barked at her voice. LOL! :D

jag

[RAMORE]

I'm so glad he actually picked someone with conservative morals like my own I was getting so tired of the GOP needing my vote and saying they are against abortion and not doing anything about it. Then I heard Mcain was considering a pro choice senator and I thought I won't vote for him and he'll lose the race if he loses the real conservatives so i'm happy about this choice. Plus shes a woman :up: bonus.

[Golgo-13]

Can't find any pics of her without her glasses and/or her hair let down. :csad:

[X Knight]

I just saw the speech.......I'M IMPRESSED!!! :wow:

this soooo exciting!!! Now, I'm really looking forward to our convention next week.......:woot:

[RAMORE]

Wow the dogs barked I have got to see this speech and hear her voice i tried podcast but it's live so the speech is over.

[Excel]

What McCain did with this pick is somehow make Obama/Biden the safer pick of the 2. Women loved Hillary because she was qualified. They KNEW Hillary. It wasnt risky. Palin is not like that, and making such a blatant attempt at women almost dissmisses them as people; its as if McCain thinks just because he uses a woman, hell get votes. We dont know anything about Sarah Palin. McCain clearly thinks that if a fresh faced Obama can sweep the party off its feet, his VP can do it too. The problem is atleast image wise, Obama was ready. Palin clearly isnt, its obvious from that speech. Honestly what did anyone find impressive about her speech?

The vp debates between Biden and her WILL be a joke. Foreign policy, national security, the economy...aye.

[jaguarr]

What McCain did with this pick is somehow make Obama/Biden the safer pick of the 2. Women loved Hillary because she was qualified. We dont know anything about Sarah Palin. McCain clearly thinks that if a fresh faced Obama can sweep the party off its feet, his VP can do it too. The problem is atleast image wise, Obama was ready. Palin clearly isnt, its obvious from that speech.

The vp debates between Biden and her WILL be a joke. Foreign policy, national security, the economy...aye.

If that speech is any indication of how she performs in a debate setting, she is in major, major trouble.

jag

[StorminNorman]

Hardcore Obama fans are not jumping for joy over Palin?

Color me shocked...SHOCKED! :eek:

[kane9321]

but...she is hawt..:) Keep the glasses on,put the hair down....yummy

[Excel]

Hardcore Obama fans are not jumping for joy over Palin?

Color me shocked...SHOCKED! :eek:

Brosef, Id admit if I was impressed. I was impressed when she walked out. The music fit, she looked good. During the spring, Id admitt when a Clinton speech worried me.

Im sorry, but no. This wasnt impressive. She just doesnt sound ready. Atleast Obama SOUNDS ready, even if some think he isnt. I want to know how some McCain supporters found that impressive as well outside of the fact she is his VP. Biden came out swinging....she came out...screeching.

[Kaleb]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3096/2809142140_2910068a4e.jpg

[jaguarr]

Hardcore Obama fans are not jumping for joy over Palin?

Color me shocked...SHOCKED! :eek:

It's not that. I'm just not impressed with her, particularly after her speech. Hutchinson was a stronger choice if he was going for a woman.

but...she is hawt..:) Keep the glasses on,put the hair down....yummy

Dude...chill.

jag

[Kaleb]

Sarah Palin = Tina Fey in 20yrs time.

[bunk]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3096/2809142140_2910068a4e.jpg

Is that still her in the second pic? Looks different.

[Kaleb]

Is that still her in the second pic? Looks different.

Its Tony Sopranos therapist.

[terry78]

Is that still her in the second pic? Looks different.

:dry:

[Lightning Strykez!]

Is he...kidding us with this joke of a choice? Romney or Pawlenty would've given me (and Obama/Biden) pause. But Sarah Palin? Whaaaat?

How can John make the argument that Obama is inexperienced??? You don't virtually go from Mayor to VP! This is a Rovian tactic and a slap to women and Hillary, when you think about it. McCain's first and second wife were beauty queens and so is this woman. She's like...the Jessica Alba of the Repub party--only there for T&A. It's disgusting.

Think: McCain (72), gets ill, who would feel comfortable with her at the top??? I mean....really??? :down

[DACrowe]

Sarah Palin on the Issues

http://palinforvp.blogspot.com/2007/02/palin-on-issues.html


FREE MARKET – “I am a conservative Republican, a firm believer in free market capitalism. A free market system allows all parties to compete, which ensures the best and most competitive project emerges, and ensures a fair, democratic process.”

GUNS AND HUNTING - “I am a lifetime member of the NRA, I support our Constitutional right to bear arms and am a proponent of gun safety programs for Alaska's youth….I have always strongly supported the personal use of fish and game by Alaskans. I grew up hunting and fishing in Alaska, and I am proud to raise my children with this same uniquely Alaskan heritage. … Anti-hunting groups who oppose hunting and fishing rights will be the winners if we allow them to pit us against ourselves….As an Alaskan with strong beliefs on this issue, I am confident in my ability to build consensus among diverse user groups and reconcile the many competing interests in a manner.”

SMALL BUSINESS – “As Mayor and CEO of the booming city of Wasilla, my team invited investment and encouraged business growth by eliminating small business inventory taxes, eliminated personal property taxes, reduced real property tax mill levies every year I was in office, reduced fees, and built the infrastructure our businesses needed to grow and prosper.”

MILITARY - “I respect our military personnel and understand the importance of Alaska's National Guard. As I watched our military men and women being deployed I recognized how important it is for their families to know how much Alaska and America support them.”

HEALTH CARE – “I support flexibility in government regulations that allow competition in health care that is needed, and is proven to be good for the consumer, which will drive down health care costs and reduce the need for government subsidies. I also support patients in their rightful demands to have access to full medical billing information.”

SOCIAL ISSUES – “I am pro-life and I believe that marriage should only be between and man and a woman.”

ENVIRONMENT – “Regimes to protect Stellar Sea Lions must be based on sound science not personal agendas…I will fight in every way possible to make sure that our fishing communities are protected from the personal agendas of federal fishery managers”

“I believe in protecting Alaska's environment through fair enforcement of our environmental laws. Having a clean record on environmental regulation is critical to getting ANWR open and maintaining our fisheries mining, timber, and tourism industries.”

Thanks. It sounds like "free market, free market, free market." Seriously if you read her healthcare and environmental quotes they are all about "helping businesses." Leaving healthcare alone without government subsidies will bring the prices down?! WTF? And fighting "regimes...of feds" who are trying to protect endangered species so fishers can massively fish? THAT IS NOT AN ENVIRONMENTAL POLICY. That is saying **** wildlife. And then there is ANWR. Just no. I have argued that one too many times and I'm convinced people love living in denial and support it out of naivety and nothing else.

Seriously, it sounds just like Obama's criticism in his speech last night about "You're on your own." That is her economic, social and environmental policy. Meh.

And again she has been governor less than 2 years and she is "ready to lead," but Obama is not? :whatever:

[Kaleb]

wow ,so Glen Beck likes this move.

[The Senator]

wow ,so Glen Beck likes this move.

Well I'm sold. :whatever:

[DACrowe]

How is this a slap in the face. Republicans our the first party to give a woman a chance at VP that's HUGE!

:dry: The Democrats ran a woman (Ferarro) on their VP ticket in 1984. Is our country this quick to forget stuff that happened only 20 years ago. :csad:

[Frodo]

I'm an Obama voter and I think that she's a shrewd pick . I was impressed by her speaking . Something tells me she's tough . Dems would be foolish to underestimate her and McCain for that matter. Plus , She's sooo hot:oldrazz:. Lol. ...Guy moment over:cwink:.

[DACrowe]

Hardcore Obama fans are not jumping for joy over Palin?

Color me shocked...SHOCKED! :eek:

And you are excited about the choice? Paint me with faded oils ambivalent! ;) :oldrazz:

[SuperT]

I see why she's so adamant about wanting to drill in ANWR - her husband freakin works for BP!!

It's the same old, same old with the Repubs, don't let the flashing lights fool you. lol

[Lightning Strykez!]

:dry: The Democrats ran a woman (Ferarro) on their VP ticket in 1984. Is our country this quick to forget stuff that happened only 20 years ago. :csad:

It's not an issue about the gender. The issue is the qualifications of person. And it just dumbfounds me that the GOP has been attacking Obama on the issue of experience and then they put someone on their ticket with substantially less than him!!!!

She is like the ying to Obama's yang, and even compared he still looks like a statesmen. McCain's argument is dead now.

[RAMORE]

Glen likes it cause it's gonna win mcain the white house.

In 84 I was 4 forgive me for Ferarro not jumping to mind. (wait wasn't that in a primary or something not the general)

[The Senator]

Is he...kidding us with this joke of a choice? Romney or Pawlenty would've given me (and Obama/Biden) pause. But Sarah Palin? Whaaaat?

How can John make the argument that Obama is inexperienced??? You don't virtually go from Mayor to VP! This is a Rovian tactic and a slap to women and Hillary, when you think about it. McCain's first and second wife were beauty queens and so is this woman. She's like...the Jessica Alba of the Repub party--only there for T&A. It's disgusting.

Think: McCain (72), gets ill, who would feel comfortable with her at the top??? I mean....really??? :down

I agree with this completely. McCain can no longer make the argument that Obama is inexperienced, considering Palin only has twenty months of experience under his belt. McCain can't claim that Obama-Biden isn't ready to lead the country, when that ticket has more combined experience than McCain-Palin. He can't say that that ticket has less foreign policy experience, considering Obama and Biden both have foreign policy credentials when Palin has NONE.

In fact, watching CNN, the McCain campaign is already forced to make up arguments in favor of Palin. One was that Alaska is so close to Russia, her selection has to count for something. I'll tell you what her selection counts for-- looks. She looks attractive, McCain knows this, and she was only picked because of her gender and youth.

This is the most laughable, ridiculous VP pick I have seen in politics. It is so much like the Mondale-Ferraro ticket, it isn't even funny. Just sad. When Walter Mondale ran, he was running when his party was being virtually ignored by the general public. No one took his policies seriously. So he set out to pick a groundbreaking VP pick, either a minority or a woman. As a result, he selected Geraldine Ferraro, an obscure congresswoman from New York City who had only served two terms and was involved in a tax scandal he didn't research. This time, few people care for the Republican brand of politics, and McCain is being ridiculed left and right. And now, Palin is an obscure governor from Alaska who has only been in office for twenty months, who is involved in her own little scandal in her home state. What's even funnier is that Ferraro was far more qualified than Palin to be Vice President, she had some foreign policy experience and was in office for four years at the time.

I am looking forward to this plane crash. I truly am-- especially when Clinton comes out and says what needs to be said, that Palin was only selected as a woman. And as a woman, she doesn't support the issue of choice. Oh, this is splendid.

[rdh007]

It's not an issue about the gender. The issue is the qualifications of person. And it just dumbfounds me that the GOP has been attacking Obama on the issue of experience and then they put someone on their ticket with substantially less than him!!!!

She is like the ying to Obama's yang, and even compared he still looks like a statesmen. McCain's argument is dead now.

I think people will see pictures of the four of them, see Biden getting called in by the Georgian president, and this pick will mean little in a month. The debates will be interesting, though. I was hoping for Biden to tear into Romney and likewise, but I suppose we'll have to watch Biden try to walk the fine line that Rick Lazio couldn't. (and fine lines ain't his thing)

[RAMORE]

It's not an issue about the gender. The issue is the qualifications of person. And it just dumbfounds me that the GOP has been attacking Obama on the issue of experience and then they put someone on their ticket with substantially less than him!!!!

She is like the ying to Obama's yang, and even compared he still looks like a statesmen. McCain's argument is dead now.

yes but he's talking about their presidential candidate not his VP. We all know the VP does nothing...unless the President goes down but that argument won't hold water. If I was a Dem i'd be pissed that mcain is acting more progressive then my candidate:oldrazz: "my name is Obama washington is broken we need new people and hope....meet my VP who's been around since dirt and said I wasn't ready and my opponent was, Biden" I mean common he should have picked a newcomer/outsider to the game like this right?

[The Senator]

Glen likes it cause it's gonna win mcain the white house.

Um, that's what any side says about their VP pick. I remember when Edwards was going to win Kerry the White House. That obviously happened...

[Lightning Strykez!]

Hardcore Obama fans are not jumping for joy over Palin?

Color me shocked...SHOCKED! :eek:

Actually, this is a collective WTF moment for everyone, not just dems. Even the GOP are like "What the feezy is he thinking??"

If he had picked Lieberman, Romney, etc. I would've been like, "Okay this is gonna get interesting." But this is a puddle of mehness in my opinion.

[souvlaki]

I am looking forward to this plane crash. I truly am-- especially when Clinton comes out and says what needs to be said, that Palin was only selected as a woman. And as a woman, she doesn't support the issue of choice. Oh, this is splendid.

I don't think I've ever looked forward to hearing Clinton on the campaign trail more than I'm looking forward to it it now. I think people were wrong when they said Biden would be the attack dog on the campaign trail. I think it might end up being Clinton.

[Gilpesh]

yes but he's talking about their presidential candidate not his VP. We all know the VP does nothing...unless the President goes down but that argument won't hold water. If I was a Dem i'd be pissed that mcain is acting more progressive then my candidate:oldrazz: "my name is Obama washington is broken we need new people and hope....meet my VP who's been around since dirt and said I wasn't ready and my opponent was, Biden" I mean common he should have picked a newcomer/outsider to the game like this right?

He picked a woman... cause she's a woman?

Waaaaaaaay progressive. :whatever::oldrazz:

[Lightning Strykez!]

If I was a Dem i'd be pissed that mcain is acting more progressive then my candidate:oldrazz:

The Dem's party choice of Obama--a multiracial man for president--in itself is "progressive". :whatever: McCain only microwaved this decision to take people's minds off of yesterday's historical event.

Your argument is neutralized. :dry:

[The Senator]

Seriously, an African-American presidential candidate is far more progressive than a female Vice Presidential candidate. We've already had that, twenty-four years ago. But we have NEVER had an African-American candidate at the top or bottom of a presidential ticket.

The Dems win the "progressive" race. With both African Americans and women, actually.

[SuperT]

LOL @ someone saying the Democrats aren't progressive with their nomination. Uhm, they have an African-American male as the nominee for the POTUS!! :wow:

That is amazing in itself!!

[Marx]

This makes me sick! His choice couldn't be more transparent...or insulting. I hope to god that this backfires right in his face! :cmad:

[Gilpesh]

This makes me sick! His choice couldn't be more transparent...or insulting. I hope to god that this backfires right in his face! :cmad:

Like a Dick Cheney shotgun blast!

[Frodo]

I think Romney and Lieberman would have been bad for the GOP. Romney has been on every side of every issue and Lieberman is a democrat . Obama would argue that the people should vote for the real thing and not Lieberman/McCain. Palenty had zero spark to him and Kay Baley was too close to the Bush Adminstration. I think Palin is a much better pick for McCain then Biden was for Obama.

[Frodo]

I think Romney and Lieberman would have been bad for the GOP. Romney has been on every side of every issue and Lieberman is a democrat . Obama would argue that the people should vote for the real thing and not Lieberman/McCain. Palenty had zero spark to him and Kay Baley was too close to the Bush Adminstration. I think Palin is a much better pick for McCain then Biden was for Obama.

[Zen]

Palin is a bad choice in my opinion.

this is going to be seen as political more than as a practical and reasoned choice.

the inexperience claim on Obama has virtually been nullified.

her husband works for an oil company.

shes lock step with bushes policies. though the corruption and spending thing is interesting, so is the scandall shes involved in as well.

And does anyone see her coming out ahead on Biden in the debates? i mean anythign is possible... but probable??


I just dont see how this is a smart move...?

[Shifty]

This woman has GOT too see that she is nothing more then a tool for the Republican party, I mean really. What is she thinking in the back of her head?

This is a strong slap in the face to the women of America.

One more apple sauce jars accident in a grocery store and she could be president.

Sarah Palin = Tina Fey in 20yrs time.

Tina is 38, Palin is 44.

[Marx]

Like a Dick Cheney shotgun blast!

I heard the announcement today at work and my office all had the same reaction. He picked her because she is a woman, and nothing more. I cannot wait to hear Hillary Clinton and Geraldine Ferrero speak out on this.

Sarah Palin isn't in the same league as Hillary Clinton. She's not even close.

I want to know how John McCain is going to logically attack Obama for 'lack of experience'. I want to see how Sarah Palin will backup a candidate who does not support 'equal pay for equal work'.

What a freakin' joke!

[Tron5000]

I see why she's so adamant about wanting to drill in ANWR - her husband freakin works for BP!!

It's the same old, same old with the Repubs, don't let the flashing lights fool you. lol

She's also passed legislation taxing oil company profits, which resulted in a large increase in Alaska's treasury.

[JLBats]

Tina is 38, Palin is 44.

It's a highly unflattering comparison.

[lazur]

It's not an issue about the gender. The issue is the qualifications of person. And it just dumbfounds me that the GOP has been attacking Obama on the issue of experience and then they put someone on their ticket with substantially less than him!!!!

She is like the ying to Obama's yang, and even compared he still looks like a statesmen. McCain's argument is dead now.

She has 16 years of political experience - 2 years as governor and two terms as a mayor, not to mention her time spent on city councils.

I'm not sure how you could consider 16 years of political experience as lower in qualification than someone with three years...

[Franklin Richards]

Being the queen of a garden club doesn't make you qualified to negotiate with Turkey.


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[Tron5000]

Palin is a bad choice in my opinion.

this is going to be seen as political more than as a practical and reasoned choice.

the inexperience claim on Obama has virtually been nullified.

her husband works for an oil company.

shes lock step with bushes policies. though the corruption and spending thing is interesting, so is the scandall shes involved in as well.

And does anyone see her coming out ahead on Biden in the debates? i mean anythign is possible... but probable??


I just dont see how this is a smart move...?

I read that she is actually quite skilled in debates. She's also pretty good on the campaign trail, from what I understand.

http://townhall.com/news/politics-elections/2008/08/29/mccains_veep_choice_is_historic_and_hardly_known?p age=full&comments=true

In the primary, Palin defeated incumbent Gov. Frank Murkowski, who also had 22 years of experience in the U.S. Senate.

Her task didn't seem any easier in the general election, but she handily beat Tony Knowles, a popular Democrat who had served two earlier terms as governor.

No small task accomplishing that feat, and in her first year, she was elected president of the Alaska Conference of Mayors. She obviously impressed many people in a short time, and I don't think they were mesmerized by her looks.

[Spider-Fan]

She has 16 years of political experience - 2 years as governor and two terms as a mayor, not to mention her time spent on city councils.

I'm not sure how you could consider 16 years of political experience as lower in qualification than someone with three years...

You're right when you count all of her experiences and only one of Obama's. Obama has 3 years US Senate, but more experience than just that. You can't discount all that, and count everything she has done to make an argument. That is picking and choosing your facts, and it doesn't work.

[souvlaki]

She has 16 years of political experience - 2 years as governor and two terms as a mayor, not to mention her time spent on city councils.

I'm not sure how you could consider 16 years of political experience as lower in qualification than someone with three years...

2 terms as mayor of a town that has like 5000 people in it is hardly something to brag about.

[Excel]

"She likes to hunt, fish, ride snowbiles...shes exactly what this country need!" :rolleyes:

The more I think about it, the more I think this is disasterous. If Palin had been a man, McCain wouldn't have him within 3 miles of his VP's shortlist. There is clearly an attempt to counter the fact that Hillary not being picked by Obama and try to make Biden or other Dems harder to unleash attack, but I think it's pretty short-sighted and will backfire eventually.

If he REALLY wanted a woman, why didnt he just pick Condeleeza?

[bored]

Mayor and City Councilwoman are not in the same league as Vice-President. The only substantial position she's held which would be worth considering is Governor of Alaska, and that's been for barely two years.

McCain has sacrificed the right to hit Obama on experience for the sake of getting a woman on the ticket, which is not going to work for him.

[SuBe]

Being the queen of a garden club doesn't make you qualified to negotiate with Turkey.


:thing: :doom: :thing:
Why would we need to negotiate with Turkey?

Just because you are married to a chef, doesn't mean you can cook. Just because you were married to the President, doesn't mean you can lead. Just because you are a democrat, doesn't mean you're the right choice.

[Marx]

She has 16 years of political experience - 2 years as governor and two terms as a mayor, not to mention her time spent on city councils.

I'm not sure how you could consider 16 years of political experience as lower in qualification than someone with three years...

Picking and choosing your facts won't gain you any credibility Lazur. Obama has more alot more experience than you mentioned.

[StorminNorman]

Palin is a bad choice in my opinion.

this is going to be seen as political more than as a practical and reasoned choice.

the inexperience claim on Obama has virtually been nullified.

her husband works for an oil company.

shes lock step with bushes policies. though the corruption and spending thing is interesting, so is the scandall shes involved in as well.

And does anyone see her coming out ahead on Biden in the debates? i mean anythign is possible... but probable??


I just dont see how this is a smart move...?

The Inexperience claim has NOT been nullified - again, Obama is running for President, Palin (who has more political experience and more executive experience) is running for Vice President, a job where you do get on the job training to be President.

Her husband is a commercial fisherman and works on an oil platform - as Governor she gave state profits made off of record oil profits back to the people of her state and she has fought oil company corruption as chairman of the states oil and gas ethics commission - thats a huge PLUS for McCain.

Palin is not lock in step with Bush's policies though there are obvious similarities. Bush's Presidency has been marked by out of control spending more than any other problem he has brought to the table - Palin's record is one of common sense in Government. Palin has been a warrior AGAINST government corruption and useless spending - she destroyed the Bridge to No Where, she has cut her own salary.

Palin's story is relatable and I believe makes her a wonderful choice for VP in this country. Its a brilliant move on behalf of the McCain campaign.

[Shifty]

Mayor and City Councilwoman are not in the same league as Vice-President. The only substantial position she's held which would be worth considering is Governor of Alaska, and that's been for barely two years.

McCain has sacrificed the right to hit Obama on experience for the sake of getting a woman on the ticket, which is not going to work for him.

She was mayor and councilwoman of town of 5000 people. Anyone can be mayor of a town that size. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wasilla,_Alaska

[SuBe]

2 terms as mayor of a town that has like 5000 people in it is hardly something to brag about.
Governor of a state that only has 100,000 less people than Delaware.

[StorminNorman]

I heard the announcement today at work and my office all had the same reaction. He picked her because she is a woman, and nothing more. I cannot wait to hear Hillary Clinton and Geraldine Ferrero speak out on this.

Sarah Palin isn't in the same league as Hillary Clinton. She's not even close.

I want to know how John McCain is going to logically attack Obama for 'lack of experience'. I want to see how Sarah Palin will backup a candidate who does not support 'equal pay for equal work'.

What a freakin' joke!

Ferrero has spoken out very favorable of Palin.

[Marx]

The Inexperience claim has NOT been nullified - again, Obama is running for President, Palin (who has more political experience and more executive experience) is running for Vice President, a job where you do get on the job training to be President.

Her husband is a commercial fisherman and works on an oil platform - as Governor she gave state profits made off of record oil profits back to the people of her state and she has fought oil company corruption as chairman of the states oil and gas ethics commission - thats a huge PLUS for McCain.

Palin is not lock in step with Bush's policies though there are obvious similarities. Bush's Presidency has been marked by out of control spending more than any other problem he has brought to the table - Palin's record is one of common sense in Government. Palin has been a warrior AGAINST government corruption and useless spending - she destroyed the Bridge to No Where, she has cut her own salary.

Palin's story is relatable and I believe makes her a wonderful choice for VP in this country. Its a brilliant move on behalf of the McCain campaign.

It's brilliant alright Norm. Not to mention cunning, dirty, and transparent.

[Prison Mike]

wow Palin is a MILF

[Golgo-13]

"She likes to hunt, fish, ride snowbiles...shes exactly what this country need!" :rolleyes:

The more I think about it, the more I think this is disasterous. If Palin had been a man, McCain wouldn't have him within 3 miles of his VP's shortlist. There is clearly an attempt to counter the fact that Hillary not being picked by Obama and try to make Biden or other Dems harder to unleash attack, but I think it's pretty short-sighted and will backfire eventually.

If he REALLY wanted a woman, why didnt he just pick Condeleeza?

I pondered this too, but then McCain is trying to distance himself from Bush, and Condie was one of Bush's chief boot-lickers.

[Lightning Strykez!]

She has 16 years of political experience - 2 years as governor and two terms as a mayor, not to mention her time spent on city councils.

I'm not sure how you could consider 16 years of political experience as lower in qualification than someone with three years...

City council? I like how you count every aspect of her political service but only mentioned Obama's senate time? Yeah. :whatever:

By the way, exactly how many diverse issues has she had to mediate through in populationless ALASKA? Obama's number of constituents in Illinois outnumber that 10 to 1 dude.

I am looking forward to this plane crash. I truly am-- especially when Clinton comes out and says what needs to be said, that Palin was only selected as a woman. And as a woman, she doesn't support the issue of choice. Oh, this is splendid.

It is splendid. HRC is going to have her way with Sarah. It will be messy. And when she's done, Joey is gonna get him some. :lmao:

[Tron5000]

You're right when you count all of her experiences and only one of Obama's. Obama has 3 years US Senate, but more experience than just that. You can't discount all that, and count everything she has done to make an argument. That is picking and choosing your facts, and it doesn't work.

Of his 3 years in the Senate, he has spent 2 on the campaign trail. There has never even been a piece of legislation passed with his name on it. Palin has written and signed into law (not to mention vetoed) various pieces of legislation, a claim Obama can not make.

[StorminNorman]

"She likes to hunt, fish, ride snowbiles...shes exactly what this country need!" :rolleyes:

The more I think about it, the more I think this is disasterous. If Palin had been a man, McCain wouldn't have him within 3 miles of his VP's shortlist. There is clearly an attempt to counter the fact that Hillary not being picked by Obama and try to make Biden or other Dems harder to unleash attack, but I think it's pretty short-sighted and will backfire eventually.

If he REALLY wanted a woman, why didnt he just pick Condeleeza?

If Obama wouldn't of been black, he wouldn't of been within 3 miles of being President. :o

[Marx]

Ferrero has spoken out very favorable of Palin.

Has she come out today in favor of this decision? As a choice for Vice President of the United States? I doubt that.

[BlackLantern]

I'd smash it....

[Franklin Richards]

Why would we need to negotiate with Turkey?

Just because you are married to a chef, doesn't mean you can cook. Just because you were married to the President, doesn't mean you can lead. Just because you are a democrat, doesn't mean you're the right choice.

It's an example of foreign policy. I was picking a country at random. But then you know that.

She was the mayor of a fishing village. That doesn't give her executive experience. I was leader of my D&D party. Guess I'm ready for the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

:D


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[StorminNorman]

It's brilliant alright Norm. Not to mention cunning, dirty, and transparent.

Cunning? Yes.

Dirty? Not in the least.

Transparent? Not at all. Was her being a woman helped her get on the ticket? Of course - she helps with a specific demographic, does that make her a bad VP choice? Hardly. Her record in Alaska is incredible impressive and if McCain really wants to bring change to Washington - Palin is a great person to bring with him.

[StrainedEyes]

Alaska is so unimportant.

[StorminNorman]

Has she come out today in favor of this decision? As a choice for Vice President of the United States? I doubt that.

Yes she has.

[StorminNorman]

Alaska is so unimportant.

Its almost as irrelevant as Delaware!

[Marx]

Yes she has.

I've been at work. Do you have a link?

[Spider-Fan]

Of his 3 years in the Senate, he has spent 2 on the campaign trail. There has never even been a piece of legislation passed with his name on it. Palin has written and signed into law (not to mention vetoed) various pieces of legislation, a claim Obama can not make.

As a governor, I would hope she did something.

However, this doesn't change that he ignored all of Obama's past political experience. According to him, he just showed up on a US Senate ballot, and was a politics noob, which isn't the case.

Also, it is not like Obama has done nothing in the Senate

[Excel]

Brilliant movie? :hehe:

Over 20 million people watched Obamas speech last night. He hit a homer, nobody can argue that. He eliminated much if not all of the worry about wether he was a risk. Now McCains made Obama/Biden the safer ticket, and he did it by breaking the #1 rule of picking a vp: Pick somebody who is ready to be President. On the job training my ass, shes not ready. Its blantantly obvious from watching her speak. no wonder conservative radio hosts are hating it, this is a potential disaster in the making.

Had Sarah Palin ran this year, she wouldnt have made it past Iowa. Had she been a man, they wouldnt have been a 2nd thought of them as a VP. John McCains has totally undermined the female vote, and it very well could bite him the ass.

[Spidey-Bat]

I skimmed this thread to see what people here thought. I only saw more reason not to be a regular poster here.

[Lightning Strykez!]

The Inexperience claim has NOT been nullified - again, Obama is running for President, Palin (who has more political experience and more executive experience) is running for Vice President, a job where you do get on the job training to be President.



That, my friend, is utter bullspit and you know it.

As you well know, the VP is the 2nd Commander in chief and needs to be prepared to take the lead with the country at ANY TIME should something happen to the president (LBJ for JFK is a prime example).

Considering McCain's age and health problems, this woman could be your commander in chief within months of his inaugeration. John McCain is ELDERLY for Christ's sake. :whatever: Think about it Norman...he's not exactly a spring or fall chicken.

Now...is Sarah Palin ready to lead????

[lazur]

You're right when you count all of her experiences and only one of Obama's. Obama has 3 years US Senate, but more experience than just that. You can't discount all that, and count everything she has done to make an argument. That is picking and choosing your facts, and it doesn't work.

Really? Other than the three years in the senate, what other political offices has Obama held?

[Excel]

Its almost as irrelevant as Delaware!

yes, but he essentially locks up Pennsylvania for us ;) :up: :up:

[souvlaki]

Governor of a state that only has 100,000 less people than Delaware.

If you are trying to compare a year and a half as Governor of Alaska to over 30 years as Senator of Delaware... well... you are not going to get very far with that argument.

[SuBe]

Cunning? Yes.

Dirty? Not in the least.

Transparent? Not at all. Was her being a woman helped her get on the ticket? Of course - she helps with a specific demographic, does that make her a bad VP choice? Hardly. Her record in Alaska is incredible impressive and if McCain really wants to bring change to Washington - Palin is a great person to bring with him.Adding the Fact that she has a 95% approval rating, the highest of any state in the Union.

[Excel]

Now...is Sarah Palin ready to lead????


Thats it, and the answer is HELL NO.

That said, after the debate (where Biden will no doubt crush her), vp's do not mean jack. All this means is Hillary will have to be more active.

[jaguarr]

Cunning? Yes.

Dirty? Not in the least.

Transparent? Not at all. Was her being a woman helped her get on the ticket? Of course - she helps with a specific demographic, does that make her a bad VP choice? Hardly. Her record in Alaska is incredible impressive and if McCain really wants to bring change to Washington - Palin is a great person to bring with him.

Her record in Alaska is really "incredibly impressive"? I mean, is it REALLY, TRULY "incredibly impressive"? I'm thinking it's pretty damn average, man. And does McCain really want to bring "change" (a word that is bad if a Democrat says it, but awesome if a Republican utters it, apparently) to Washington? His record and his "friends" don't really suggest that to me.

jag

[Shifty]

That, my friend, is utter bullspit and you know it.

As you well know, the VP is the 2nd Commander in chief and needs to be prepared to take the lead with the country at ANY TIME should something happen to the president (LBJ for JFK is a prime example).

Considering McCain's age and health problems, this woman could be your commander in chief within months of his inaugeration. John McCain is ELDERLY for Christ's sake. :whatever: Think about it Norman...he's not exactly a spring or fall chicken.

Now...is Sarah Palin ready to lead????

He turned 72 today.

[Lightning Strykez!]

I'd smash it....

You'll have to get in line to tap that...Good ol' "Topless Beauty Pageant"-loving John McCain has first dibs. :up:

I know Cindy McCain's Stepford Cuckoo azz has got to be worried now. :D

Jokes aside though, this is a silly choice. I was really looking forward to some tough, passionate debates between Joe Biden and...well, someone else. :dry:

[StrainedEyes]

Its almost as irrelevant as Delaware!

Yes.. the first state to ratify the constitution is irrelevant.

[Marx]

Cunning? Yes.

Dirty? Not in the least.

Transparent? Not at all. Was her being a woman helped her get on the ticket? Of course - she helps with a specific demographic, does that make her a bad VP choice? Hardly. Her record in Alaska is incredible impressive and if McCain really wants to bring change to Washington - Palin is a great person to bring with him.

I respectfully disagree with you.

[SuBe]

Brilliant movie? :hehe:

Over 20 million people watched Obamas speech last night. He hit a homer, nobody can argue that. He eliminated much if not all of the worry about wether he was a risk. Now McCains made Obama/Biden the safer ticket, and he did it by breaking the #1 rule of picking a vp: Pick somebody who is ready to be President. On the job training my ass, shes not ready. Its blantantly obvious from watching her speak. no wonder conservative radio hosts are hating it, this is a potential disaster in the making.

Had Sarah Palin ran this year, she wouldnt have made it past Iowa. Had she been a man, they wouldnt have been a 2nd thought of them as a VP. John McCains has totally undermined the female vote, and it very well could bite him the ass.
So, you know that Conservate Radio Talk Show Hosts are "hating" it? Who, exactly?

[lazur]

The 'experience' comparison is ridiculous. She has been governor for 2 years (not one year, not one year and a half, but 2 years THIS November, which is two months away). Prior to that, she had experience as a two-term mayor, and before that she served on city councils.

Had her record instead been Obama's record, and Obama's record her record, liberals would be claiming that Obama has more experience than she does.

Thus, aiming at the experience issue is nothing more than playing politics. Obama has no executive experience, which is exactly what a President uses the most. She has executive experience, but she's not running for President.

Therefore, this argument about experience is irrelevant and does nothing to contribute to the discussion with respect to her views and political grounding.

[Marx]

Thats it, and the answer is HELL NO.

That said, after the debate (where Biden will no doubt crush her), vp's do not mean jack. All this means is Hillary will have to be more active.

I think this cements her place in the campaign. She just may become Obama's biggest supporter.

[SuBe]

Now...is Barack Obama ready to lead????
Fixed

[souvlaki]

Adding the Fact that she has a 95% approval rating, the highest of any state in the Union.

That's not nearly as impressive knowing she's been in office for less than 2 years.

[Spider-Fan]

Really? Other than the three years in the senate, what other political offices has Obama held?

Obama served in the Illinois Senate I think it was for 7 years. If he has anything past that, I am unsure, but that is still 10 years experience. Only 6 fewer than what you pointed out.

[souvlaki]

I think this cements her place in the campaign. She just may become Obama's biggest supporter.

Exactly. Clinton is going to become Obama's strongest surrogate now. I'd guarantee Obama was on the phone with her within minutes of hearing about this announcement.

[lazur]

That's not nearly as impressive knowing she's been in office for less than 2 years.

It would be if she were a democrat and Obama had selected her as VP, I'm sure. ;)

[StrainedEyes]

I think this cements her place in the campaign. She just may become Obama's biggest supporter.

Which is going to crush Palin's chances to win over Hillary votes. Not to mention her opposite view on a lot of the things Hillary stands for.

[SuBe]

That's not nearly as impressive knowing she's been in office for less than 2 years.
Democrats have had control of Congress for just as long and they have what? 13%?

[StorminNorman]

I've been at work. Do you have a link?

She was on Fox News when the announcement was up - I doubt its own Youtube.

Brilliant movie? :hehe:

Over 20 million people watched Obamas speech last night. He hit a homer, nobody can argue that. He eliminated much if not all of the worry about wether he was a risk. Now McCains made Obama/Biden the safer ticket, and he did it by breaking the #1 rule of picking a vp: Pick somebody who is ready to be President. On the job training my ass, shes not ready. Its blantantly obvious from watching her speak. no wonder conservative radio hosts are hating it, this is a potential disaster in the making.

Had Sarah Palin ran this year, she wouldnt have made it past Iowa. Had she been a man, they wouldnt have been a 2nd thought of them as a VP. John McCains has totally undermined the female vote, and it very well could bite him the ass.

Excel your one of the most blind posters on this board - you don't understand how anyone could not like Obama and thus you are not really qualified...at all...to actually debate the qualities of this pick. If McCain picked Jesus H. Christ as his VP you would bash him for being an alcoholic because he turned water into wine.


As you well know, the VP is the 2nd Commander in chief and needs to be prepared to take the lead with the country at ANY TIME should something happen to the president (LBJ for JFK is a prime example).

Yes, and she will be - but she is not running for President, she is running to be Vice President. You cannot in any good sense argue that Palin is not qualified to lead this country and then vote for Obama. McCain's ticket is obviously top heavy - just as it should be, Obama's ticket is bottom heavy and thats a problem.

Palin has been to Iraq has many times as Obama has. She has actual EXECUTIVE experience - something Obama lacks. She has a history of working across party lines - something Obama lacks. She has a record of actually implementing government reform - something Obama lacks. She has a record of being able to call her own party out - something Obama lacks.

Palin is more qualified to be President than Barack Obama and neither are as qualified as John McCain.

Now...is Sarah Palin ready to lead????

More so than Barack Obama, yes.

yes, but he essentially locks up Pennsylvania for us ;) :up: :up:

Keep believing that, I prefer your side to be drowning in delusion.

Thats it, and the answer is HELL NO.

That said, after the debate (where Biden will no doubt crush her), vp's do not mean jack. All this means is Hillary will have to be more active.

I love the fact people assume Biden is going to chew up the sweet little Ms. Palin - I can't wait to see her smack Joe across the face.

[Excel]

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1837514,00.html


John McCain's selection of Sarah Palin as his running mate will either turn out to be a brilliant way for the Republican to scramble the race in his favor — or a disastrous pick that is cast as a desperate act.

On the face of it, McCain has failed the ultimate test that any presidential candidate must face in picking a running mate: selecting someone who is unambiguously qualified to be president.

Palin is a talented politician who has both support among conservatives and a compelling personal story. But her short resume in Alaska politics and her nonexistent national track record will make it impossible for McCain to argue with a straight face that she was the most qualified person he could have selected.

In the short term, the pick will create excitement among the kind of grass-roots conservatives who have never been enthusiastic about McCain, and in the media, which will be fascinated by Palin's good looks (matched by those of her dishy husband), intelligence and charm.
But Palin is now going to have to perform at a very high level to persuade the media and the public that she is truly ready to be a heartbeat away — and a 72-year-old's heart at that — from the presidency. How she handles questions about federal issues, national security and foreign affairs will be closely scrutinized, and her margin of error is next to zero.

Early mistakes, like the ones made by Dan Quayle in 1988, could be devastating — not just to her, but also to McCain's chances. Those who point out that George H.W. Bush was able to win despite Dan Quayle's presence on the ticket forget that the country was much more solidly Republican at the presidential level back then than in today's 50-50 America.

In addition, Palin has already had at least one ethical flap as governor, and her personal, political and financial background will be intensely picked over by the Democrats and the national media.

Barack Obama's pick for his running mate, Joe Biden of Delaware, has already seen the kind of scrutiny a running mate gets, with stories about the financial dealings of his son and brother. The difference is that Biden has had decades in the national spotlight, which means that voters have more context in which to evaluate these stories and that Biden has much more experience in dealing with this kind of controversy. Palin will not only have to get up to speed on a range of issues, but handle the inevitable flaps that will come her way.

Perhaps all of these potential problems will be avoided because Palin, like Barack Obama, will turn out to be a young, once-in-a-generation political figure who can handle American politics at the highest level without the usual experience. That's what John McCain is counting on. He has always been something of a political gambler. Some of his closest advisers have looked at polling data for many months and reached the conclusion that the national environment is so grim for the Republican Party that McCain can only win the election with a series of bold moves. Palin is clearly intended to help with voters who want change, voters who think America is on the wrong track, and voters who have soured on President Bush.
But if McCain is wrong about how big a plus Palin will be, he might have just undone the gains of the last last month, in which his campaign succeeded somewhat in defining Obama on Republican terms and closed the gap with the Democratic nominee in key state polls. He has taken a chance on Sarah Palin to shake up the race — but at a time when many Republicans do not see why the race needs to be shaken up.

[BlackLantern]

http://www.vpilf.com/

funny site name

[lazur]

Obama served in the Illinois Senate I think it was for 7 years. If he has anything past that, I am unsure, but that is still 10 years experience. Only 6 fewer than what you pointed out.

Very cool. But it still doesn't create the disparity in experience between he and Palin that people here are pointing at.

[StrainedEyes]

Yes, and she will be - but she is not running for President, she is running to be Vice President. You cannot in any good sense argue that Palin is not qualified to lead this country and then vote for Obama. McCain's ticket is obviously top heavy - just as it should be, Obama's ticket is bottom heavy and thats a problem.


Just because she has the work credentials, doesn't mean she has what it takes to be President. Being President is more about personal character, and less about years as a politician.

[Lightning Strykez!]

Fixed

Your edit is irrelevant to the point of this thread and the current discussion.

Kudos on your attempt at humor though. :dry:

[SuBe]

Very cool. But it still doesn't create the disparity in experience between he and Palin that people here are pointing at.
You could start a conversation about the Disparity between the expirence between Obama and McCain.

[Spider-Fan]

Very cool. But it still doesn't create the disparity in experience between he and Palin that people here are pointing at.

I don't buy inexperience arguments (some of our best presidents were "inexperienced"), unless people are trying to make the argument and pick someone with around the same amount of experience. That is when I say they are being hypocrats.

[SuBe]

Your edit is irrelevant to the point of this thread and the current discussion.

Kudos on your attempt at humor though. :dry:
Thanks.

[jaguarr]

Meh. Palin is easily tied to more of the same old Bush politics. Even if Hillary doesn't come out and scratch her eyes out (which I'm actually betting she will because I think she's been tapped for the Secretary of Health position already so she can implement her National Health Plan she's had a ladyboner over for decades now), Palin can still be handled pretty handily from a political perspective. What it DOES do, experience wise, is undermine one of McCain's primary attacks on Obama. It may mobilize a large chunk of voters in the middle-aged women category (a big voter segment), but Palin's stance on abortion may nullify some of that as may her tying herself to some of McCain's views on women. (no equal pay for equal work, etc.). She's not an overly dynamic speaker, and her voice hurts my dogs ears (for real). She's going to look woefully out of place next to Biden, quite frankly. Obama has proven he can hold his own with McCain, particularly when looking at the Presidency through the lenses of experience AND good judgment and inutition, but I have my doubts Palin can roll against Biden. It's also clearly a calculated political move to have her on the ticket; she's a novelty pick designed to grab attention and that's her primary purpose. That perception could backfire with some voters. Gonna be an interesting 69 days.

jag

[StorminNorman]

Just because she has the work credentials, doesn't mean she has what it takes to be President. Being President is more about personal character, and less about years as a politician.

And what has Palin done? She has made massive cuts to the Alaskan Government - she is not afraid of making the tough decisions. When she got into office, she fired a lot of people that she felt were not cost effective in Government. She has been a whistleblower in Government corruption throughout her career. She has risen to every challenge she has faced and passed in flying colors.

There is NOTHING in her character that indicates she would be anything short of a wonderful leader - which is exactly what she has been for her state in every level of government she has served.

[Marx]

Exactly. Clinton is going to become Obama's strongest surrogate now. I'd guarantee Obama was on the phone with her within minutes of hearing about this announcement.

I'm sure he was Souv.

Which is going to crush Palin's chances to win over Hillary votes. Not to mention her opposite view on a lot of the things Hillary stands for.

I hope people see through this.

She was on Fox News when the announcement was up - I doubt its own Youtube.

I haven't found anything yet.

[SuBe]

Meh. Palin is easily tied to more of the same old Bush politics. Even if Hillary doesn't come out and scratch her eyes out (which I'm actually betting she will because I think she's been tapped for the Secretary of Health position already so she can implement her National Health Plan she's had a ladyboner over for decades now), Palin can still be handled pretty handily from a political perspective. What it DOES do, experience wise, is undermine one of McCain's primary attacks on Obama. It may mobilize a large chunk of voters in the middle-aged women category (a big voter segment), but Palin's stance on abortion may nullify some of that as may her tying herself to some of McCain's views on women. (no equal pay for equal work, etc.). She's not an overly dynamic speaker, and her voice hurts my dogs ears (for real). She's going to look woefully out of place next to Biden, quite frankly. Obama has proven he can hold his own with McCain, but I have my doubts Palin can roll against Biden. It's also clearly a calculated political move to have her on the ticket; she's a novelty pick designed to grab attention and that's her primary purpose. That perception could backfire with some voters. Gonna be an interesting 69 days.

jag
hey, Ladyboner:hehe:

[StorminNorman]

I haven't found anything yet.

http://www.foundingbloggers.com/wordpress/2008/08/geraldine-ferraro-likes-the-palin-pick-video/

[Excel]

Excel your one of the most blind posters on this board - you don't understand how anyone could not like Obama and thus you are not really qualified...at all...to actually debate the qualities of this pick. If McCain picked Jesus H. Christ as his VP you would bash him for being an alcoholic because he turned water into wine.

Romney was a safe pick. Even Pawlenty was. She IS NOT. Shes made Obama/Biden the safer. And Im not even gonna get into whose more blind :rolleyes:

Yes, and she will be - but she is not running for President, she is running to be Vice President. You cannot in any good sense argue that Palin is not qualified to lead this country and then vote for Obama. McCain's ticket is obviously top heavy - just as it should be, Obama's ticket is bottom heavy and thats a problem.

Oh I see, yeah your right. VP shouldnt be evaluated on how good of a President they would make because they arent running for it.

:dry:

Palin has been to Iraq has many times as Obama has. She has actual EXECUTIVE experience - something Obama lacks. She has a history of working across party lines - something Obama lacks. She has a record of actually implementing government reform - something Obama lacks. She has a record of being able to call her own party out - something Obama lacks.

:rolleyes: She was picked because shes a chick. She is clearly not the most qualified choice. The fact that John McCain is undermining the women vote that much is insulting.

Palin is more qualified to be President than Barack Obama

No, she isnt. Obama's section of chiciago he represents is 120x bigger than the town she was Mayor of :hehe:

More so than Barack Obama, yes.

And you say I am the one "drowning in disillusion" :hehe:

Keep believing that, I prefer your side to be drowning in delusion.

:huh:

He already has a 5% lead, and thats before Biden.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/pa/pennsylvania_mccain_vs_obama-244.html

If McCain hopes to take that, hell have to unload his time there.

I love the fact people assume Biden is going to chew up the sweet little Ms. Palin - I can't wait to see her smack Joe across the face.

Shell smack him for being a lot smarter than she is? Yeah, just what we need McCain, a woman to come in here with the big boys, get rocked, and then play the "Im a woman be nice!" card.

[Tron5000]

As a governor, I would hope she did something.

However, this doesn't change that he ignored all of Obama's past political experience. According to him, he just showed up on a US Senate ballot, and was a politics noob, which isn't the case.

Also, it is not like Obama has done nothing in the Senate

What has he done? In his 3 years in the Senate, can you name for me 1 major accomplishment? Other than campaigning for president?

[Tron5000]

Brilliant movie? :hehe:

Over 20 million people watched Obamas speech last night. He hit a homer, nobody can argue that. He eliminated much if not all of the worry about wether he was a risk. Now McCains made Obama/Biden the safer ticket, and he did it by breaking the #1 rule of picking a vp: Pick somebody who is ready to be President. On the job training my ass, shes not ready. Its blantantly obvious from watching her speak. no wonder conservative radio hosts are hating it, this is a potential disaster in the making.

Had Sarah Palin ran this year, she wouldnt have made it past Iowa. Had she been a man, they wouldnt have been a 2nd thought of them as a VP. John McCains has totally undermined the female vote, and it very well could bite him the ass.

And how far, pray tell, did the Senior Senator from Delaware make it past Iowa?

[Excel]

And how far, pray tell, did the Senior Senator from Delaware make it past Iowa?

Nowhere. But he brings a lot more to the table than Palin does so its all good :up:

[Tron5000]

Obama served in the Illinois Senate I think it was for 7 years. If he has anything past that, I am unsure, but that is still 10 years experience. Only 6 fewer than what you pointed out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin

Palin was elected governor in 2006 after defeating incumbent governor Frank Murkowski in the Republican primary and former Democratic governor Tony Knowles in the general election. She was the youngest person, and the first woman, to be elected governor of Alaska. She gained attention for publicizing ethical violations by state Republican Party leaders. Before becoming governor, Palin served two terms on the Wasilla City Council from 1992 to 1996, was elected mayor of Wasilla in 1996, and ran unsuccessfully for lieutenant governor in 2002.

1992-2008. 16 years experience, with 8 years of executive experience. Which is 8 more than Obama, I might add.

[Tron5000]

Nowhere. But he brings a lot more to the table than Palin does so its all good :up:

Ah, yes, my old friend hypocrisy rears its ugly head.

[StorminNorman]

Romney was a safe pick. Even Pawlenty was. She IS NOT. Shes made Obama/Biden the safer. And Im not even gonna get into whose more blind :rolleyes:

So we should be awarding leaders for taking the "safe pick" and not the right one? If Romney was the pick, or Pawlenty - you could tear them apart as easily as I could defend them.

Yes - I am really as blind. I am not a fan of McCain - if Obama hadn't proved time and time again he was all talk, no walk I would be sucking dick for campaign contributions for the man. I want a leader like Obama, sadly Obama is not a strong enough leader to be what he preaches.

Oh I see, yeah your right. VP shouldnt be evaluated on how good of a President they would make because they arent running for it.

:dry:

Fine - you want to evaluate Palin as a Presidential pick? She is still a more qualified politician than Barack Obama.

:rolleyes: She was picked because shes a chick. She is clearly not the most qualified choice. The fact that John McCain is undermining the women vote that much is insulting.

Yes, a "chick" - I wonder where Hillary supporters got the idea that sexism was a problem in their primary.

How is McCain undermining the women vote? I love the fact that when a Republican picks a woman - its them undermining the women vote, if this was a Democrat, it would be a great achievement for womankind.

No, she isnt. Obama's section of chiciago he represents is 120x bigger than the town she was Mayor of :hehe:

Again - I relish the idea that the Obama campaign is going to use this. This country is made of small towns, not large cities. The heartland of this country is made of towns not unlike the one that Palin was Mayor of. For Obama's campaign to attack this issue is evidence of their supreme arrogance.

:huh:

He already has a 5% lead, and thats before Biden.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/pa/pennsylvania_mccain_vs_obama-244.html

If McCain hopes to take that, hell have to unload his time there.

Biden isn't going to help much in Pennsylvania - he hasn't lived in the state since he was 10 years old. Lets get through the RNC and see how the states start moving when the campaign season really begins and polls really start to matter.

Shell smack him for being a lot smarter than she is? Yeah, just what we need McCain, a woman to come in here with the big boys, get rocked, and then play the "Im a woman be nice!" card.

LOL again, your arrogance would be pitiable if it wasn't mirrored by Obama's campaign staff.

[Excel]

Actually, a whopping 38 million people watched Obamas speech last night.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin

1992-2008. 16 years experience, with 8 years of executive experience. Which is 8 more than Obama, I might add.

:hehe:

Buddy, that town is of 8,000 people. Anything involving Wasilla should be thrown out, is approximately 120th as populated the area Obama represents prior to the senate. So yeah, she might been there longer, but Obamas was MUCH more effective in terms of learning how get things done.

[Excel]

So we should be awarding leaders for taking the "safe pick" and not the right one? If Romney was the pick, or Pawlenty - you could tear them apart as easily as I could defend them.

Are you saying Palins the right choice? Your saying shes the most qualified?

Fine - you want to evaluate Palin as a Presidential pick? She is still a more qualified politician than Barack Obama.

No, she isnt. Ill take Obamas time helping millions of people in Chicago than her time helping out a whopping 8,000 people.

Yes, a "chick" - I wonder where Hillary supporters got the idea that sexism was a problem in their primary.

I am sorry, a "woman". I guess calling Obama, Biden, or McCain a "guy" is sexist against them too?

How is McCain undermining the women vote? I love the fact that when a Republican picks a woman - its them undermining the women vote, if this was a Democrat, it would be a great achievement for womankind.

Because he picked just because she is a woman. Thats how he undermines it??? There were many more qualified people, but because of her sex, she was chosen??? And that is because John McCain thinks theyll simply vote somebody of their sex and thats it???

:huh:

Again - I relish the idea that the Obama campaign is going to use this. This country is made of small towns, not large cities. The heartland of this country is made of towns not unlike the one that Palin was Mayor of. For Obama's campaign to attack this issue is evidence of their supreme arrogance.

What are you talking about (???) I am from a small town, but if my mayor was picked to VP I'd be the 1st say "WTF theyre not ready". Obama saying that isnt insulting small town and you know it :hehe:

Biden isn't going to help much in Pennsylvania - he hasn't lived in the state since he was 10 years old. Lets get through the RNC and see how the states start moving when the campaign season really begins and polls really start to matter.

A 5% prior to the addition of the states "3rd senator" who hails from there will make it pretty tough to overturn.


LOL again, your arrogance would be pitiable if it wasn't mirrored by Obama's campaign staff


Explain how I am arrogant. Seriously. Anytime something favors the Dems, its "Your guys are so arrogant".

:rolleyes:

[X Knight]

for those saying that Palin, due to her lack of experience, is not ready to "step in" as President.......I ask this question:

was John Edwards in 2004, a trial lawyer and 1 term senator, ready to step in as President should something happen to Kerry?

[StrainedEyes]

I agree with Jag... her voice does bug me.

Excited for debates though.

[Tron5000]

Actually, a whopping 38 million people watched Obamas speech last night.



:hehe:

Buddy, that town is of 8,000 people. Anything involving Wasilla should be thrown out, is approximately 120th as populated the area Obama represents prior to the senate. So yeah, she might been there longer, but Obamas was MUCH more effective in terms of learning how get things done.

Can you name for me 1 major accomplishment? One of the "things" he got done?

So Democrats think that you're a better leader if you're from a big town? Got news for ya, Buddy. There are many more towns in America like the one that Palin is from than like Chicago. But the Dems just focus on the big-city areas, while the rest of the normal folk have to be resigned to making do with their small-town lives.

[X Knight]

did Kerry lose because of John Edwards?

[Excel]

for those saying that Palin, due to her lack of experience, is not ready to "step in" as President.......I ask this question:

was John Edwards in 2004, a trial lawyer and 1 term senator, ready to step in as President should something happen to Kerry?

Hell no; that ticket was a joke.

[Mr Sparkle]

experience-shmerience.
the point is that it was the McCain camp and it's supporters that brought up "experience" again and again and again, now, when it's strategically convenient.

it doesn't seem to matter as much.

weird.

[Excel]

Can you name for me 1 major accomplishment? One of the "things" he got done?

So Democrats think that you're a better leader if you're from a big town? Got news for ya, Buddy. There are many more towns in America like the one that Palin is from than like Chicago. But the Dems just focus on the big-city areas, while the rest of the normal folk have to be resigned to making do with their small-town lives.

Arent these the same folks Bush has ****ed over :huh:

And fyi, Bush is a Republican, and fyi, Mccain supported him over 90% of the time, fyi, theres a 90% chance theyll keep getting ****ed over should McCain win :up: :up:

[X Knight]

there's a difference between EXECUTIVE experience and LEGISLATIVE experience.

[Spider-Bite]

Obama is a lot more experienced than Palin, and his experience has demonstrated strong judgement, unlike Palin and McCain.

Palin is nothing but a pretty face, and a pathetic attempt to snatch up Hillary supporters, that will fail. Hillary's supporters are not that stupid. If McCain thinks he can win them over simply by putting a woman on the ticket who knows nothing about politics, than Hillary supporters will laugh. You can't hor some pretty feminine face around in exchange for their votes, so long as you oppose govenment intervention to bring equal pay for equal work to women. Not to mention she is pro life. Hillary's supporters are longtime democrats, and after all of the work Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton put into showing how behind Obama they are, Hillary's supporters will not stab her in the back by voting for McCain.

[Lightning Strykez!]

for those saying that Palin, due to her lack of experience, is not ready to "step in" as President.......I ask this question:

was John Edwards in 2004, a trial lawyer and 1 term senator, ready to step in as President should something happen to Kerry?

No. He was arguably just as inexperienced as Obama. That's not my issue here. My problem with this selection is the utter hypocrisy and transparency behind it.

McCain has been trying to woo female voters by picking at Clintonite wounds with ads for weeks. He's hammered Obama on lack of experience. And then he turns right around and makes a choice that totally neutralizes his own arguments?? How is that good judgement?

The man is old...and horny. That's it. :whatever:

[Humphrey Bogart]

experience-shmerience.
the point is that it was the McCain camp and it's supporters that brought up "experience" again and again and again, now, when it's strategically convenient.

it doesn't seem to matter as much.

weird.

This is American politics, its only about winners and losers. Its a big game, and you do what you have to do to win the game. Neither side can claim that they don't operate that way.

[StorminNorman]

Are you saying Palins the right choice? Your saying shes the most qualified?

Is she the most qualified of the three? No - but again, you evaluate a VP pick differently than a President. I think Palin could be a better President than either of the other three - I am not sure yet, though. However, again, experience is not the only determinate for who should lead - if it was, Obama would have no shot.

No, she isnt. Ill take Obamas time helping millions of people in Chicago than her time helping out a whopping 8,000 people.

Name one position where Obama has held an executive position? Being a legislative is far different than being the executive- Palin has that experience.

I am sorry, a "woman". I guess calling Obama, Biden, or McCain a "guy" is sexist against them too?

No because you are intentionally using "chick" to lessen Palin's credibility - something me calling Obama a "guy" doesn't do.

Because he picked just because she is a woman. Thats how he undermines it??? There were many more qualified people, but because of her sex, she was chosen??? And that is because John McCain thinks theyll simply vote somebody of their sex and thats it???

:huh:

No - I think he picked Palin because she has a wonderful record of government reform. Her woman made her a more attractive candidate as a VP because of the electorate possibilities - but her gender alone did not get her the position any more than Obama's race alone got him the nomination.

What are you talking about (???) I am from a small town, but if my mayor was picked to VP I'd be the 1st say "WTF theyre not ready". Obama saying that isnt insulting small town and you know it :hehe:

And if all Palin's experience was was being a mayor, your comment would be valid. Obama's comment was obviously insulting the importance of small cities and belittling the experience. Again - Palin has more experience in government than Obama and more executive experience than either Obama or Biden - as well as Small Business Experience, another aspect Obama lacks.

A 5% prior to the addition of the states "3rd senator" who hails from there will make it pretty tough to overturn.

I disagree.

Explain how I am arrogant. Seriously. Anytime something favors the Dems, its "Your guys are so arrogant".

:rolleyes:

You believe that simply because Palin is a woman, Biden is going to destroy her - that is incredible arrogant and sexist. All one has to do is look at your comments about Palin, see your references to her as a "chick" and how she is going to have to ask Biden to go "easy on her".

[Excel]

If McCain thinks he can win them over simply by putting a woman on the ticket who knows nothing about politics, than Hillary supporters will laugh

Well i wouldnt go that far, she is a governor.

[Spider-Bite]

Can you name for me 1 major accomplishment? One of the "things" he got done?

So Democrats think that you're a better leader if you're from a big town? Got news for ya, Buddy. There are many more towns in America like the one that Palin is from than like Chicago. But the Dems just focus on the big-city areas, while the rest of the normal folk have to be resigned to making do with their small-town lives.

How about co sponsoring a bill with McCain for lobbyist reform which led to the chain reaction of Jack Abramoff and dozens of politicians getting busted?

Besides being a legislature in Chicago is a much bigger job than being a mayor of a city with 8,000 people.

[StorminNorman]

Obama is a lot more experienced than Palin, and his experience has demonstrated strong judgement, unlike Palin and McCain.


How?

[X Knight]

oh.....and another difference......Palin is NOT running for President.......Obama is.....:o

[Spider-Bite]

Well i wouldnt go that far, she is a governor.

okay, you got me. It was an exageration. but this is still taking inexperience to a whole new level, and does show what a hypocrite McCain is. He criticeizes Obama for being inexperienced and then picks her, when she has a really good chance at becoming President, because of McCain's age, and repeated battles with cancer.

If he was really concerned about having somebody that inexperienced as President, he would not have chosen her.

[Lightning Strykez!]

if Obama hadn't proved time and time again he was all talk, no walk I would be sucking dick for campaign contributions for the man.


Wow, that's actually kinda hot. :up:

I'll be sure to let you know when I run for office. :hehe:

[Tron5000]

Arent these the same folks Bush has ****ed over :huh:

And fyi, Bush is a Republican, and fyi, Mccain supported him over 90% of the time, fyi, theres a 90% chance theyll keep getting ****ed over should McCain win :up: :up:

FYI, many of the things McCain voted with Bush on were unanimous, such as recognizing Florida for winning the national championship, or resolutions congratulating the Boston Red Sox world their World Series victories. Yes, Obama did vote with Bush on many of these meaningless issues. And I love when Dems get so riled up they can't debate without profanity. Makes me laugh.

Where he was not with Bush:
Campaign Finance Reform
Bush Tax Cuts
Military presence at onset of Iraq War
Use of torture to gain information

Wow, he's practically a clone of the guy.

[StorminNorman]

Obama is a lot more experienced than Palin, and his experience has demonstrated strong judgement, unlike Palin and McCain.

Palin is nothing but a pretty face, and a pathetic attempt to snatch up Hillary supporters, that will fail. Hillary's supporters are not that stupid. If McCain thinks he can win them over simply by putting a woman on the ticket who knows nothing about politics, than Hillary supporters will laugh. You can't hor some pretty feminine face around in exchange for their votes, so long as you oppose govenment intervention to bring equal pay for equal work to women. Not to mention she is pro life. Hillary's supporters are longtime democrats, and after all of the work Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton put into showing how behind Obama they are, Hillary's supporters will not stab her in the back by voting for McCain.

LOL :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

Spider-Bite is calling out someone for lacking political knowledge?

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

[StorminNorman]

Wow, that's actually kinda hot. :up:

I'll be sure to let you know if I run for office. :hehe:

Lol, I am glad someone caught that comment :)

[Mr Sparkle]

This is American politics, its only about winners and losers. Its a big game, and you do what you have to do to win the game. Neither side can claim that they don't operate that way.

I completely agree with you, what I want to know is how the people that are not politicians and supported McCain and thought his argument about inexperience made sense...well, how do they feel about this?
shouldn't this upset them since experience was SOOOOOOO important?

[Spider-Bite]

oh.....and another difference......Palin is NOT running for President.......Obama is.....:o

dude, look at McCain. He already has one foot in the grave. Do you know how incredibly likely it is that she would end up being President?

[rdh007]

Can you name for me 1 major accomplishment? One of the "things" he got done?

So Democrats think that you're a better leader if you're from a big town? Got news for ya, Buddy. There are many more towns in America like the one that Palin is from than like Chicago. But the Dems just focus on the big-city areas, while the rest of the normal folk have to be resigned to making do with their small-town lives.

I'm always amazed at how the party of tax breaks for the wealthiest among us has managed to get the corner on folksiness, too. I applaud the Republicans for this.

[Tron5000]

How about co sponsoring a bill with McCain for lobbyist reform which led to the chain reaction of Jack Abramoff and dozens of politicians getting busted?

Besides being a legislature in Chicago is a much bigger job than being a mayor of a city with 8,000 people.

Bigger = better, right? Especially when the vast majority of Americans don't live in major cities like Chicago?

What did Barack Obama accomplish in his time in Chicago? What piece of legislation has he ever authored that has been passed? What experience does he have running ANYTHING besides a campaign? He's never so much as managed a CD store.

[X Knight]

funny, when a Republican chooses a woman to be on his ticket as VP, thus making HISTORY, it's just because she's a "woman" and a ploy to pander to the "female vote."

[Spider-Bite]

I completely agree with you, what I want to know is how the people that are not politicians and supported McCain and thought his argument about inexperience made sense...well, how do they feel about this?
shouldn't this upset them since experience was SOOOOOOO important?

dude just wait till Limbaugh covers this on the radio. this might hurt McCain with his own base.

[SuBe]

LOL :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

Spider-Bite is calling out someone for lacking political knowledge?

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:


That's like me talking about the Finer points of Water Polo.

[StrainedEyes]

funny, when a Republican chooses a woman to be on his ticket as VP, thus making HISTORY, it's just because she's a "woman" and a ploy to pander to the "female vote."

I'm glad you understand.

[Tron5000]

I'm always amazed at how the party of tax breaks for the wealthiest among us has managed to get the corner on folksiness, too. I applaud the Republicans for this.

See, when wealthy people get tax breaks, they expand their businesses (because wealthy, not poor, people, own businesses). This means more restaurants, entertainment stores, convenience stores, fishing boats...And guess who gets jobs at these places? That would be lower-wage earners.

You don't create jobs by giving tax breaks to the lower class. They don't invest their money in creating business expansion and more jobs. Only wealthy people do that. So if you work for a small business, thank George Bush for his tax cuts, or your employer may not have had the money to offer you a job or a raise.

[Excel]

Is she the most qualified of the three? No - but again, you evaluate a VP pick differently than a President. I think Palin could be a better President than either of the other three - I am not sure yet, though. However, again, experience is not the only determinate for who should lead - if it was, Obama would have no shot.

:dry:

Well ok then.

Name one position where Obama has held an executive position? Being a legislative is far different than being the executive- Palin has that experience.

You win, we should only judge our Presidential candidates on how much executive expirience they have. I mean, W was the governor of TEXAS. He had TONS of executive expirience, and he turned out great, didnt he? :yay:

No because you are intentionally using "chick" to lessen Palin's credibility - something me calling Obama a "guy" doesn't do.

She IS a chick. She a girl. Woman. Female. If you want to interpret what i call as sexist go ahead, just know its wrong.

No - I think he picked Palin because she has a wonderful record of government reform. Her woman made her a more attractive candidate as a VP because of the electorate possibilities - but her gender alone did not get her the position any more than Obama's race alone got him the nomination.

On record and everything else, there were better candidates. That cant be argued. The only that that seperated her from them is her sex and that put on top which shows just how much of a joke McCains judgement really is.

And if all Palin's experience was was being a mayor, your comment would be valid. Obama's comment was obviously insulting the importance of small cities and belittling the experience. Again - Palin has more experience in government than Obama and more executive experience than either Obama or Biden - as well as Small Business Experience, another aspect Obama lacks.

W had plenty of executive expirience too, howd that work out? By your logic, Palin should be on the ticket over McCain because she has more "executive expirience" then him as well, but obviously John McCain is more ready to President than she is, just like Obama and Biden are.

You believe that simply because Palin is a woman, Biden is going to destroy her.

:hehe:

No I don't. I think Biden will blow her out because he knows 20x the info on just about everything than she does. Foreign policy will be a joke, national security, you name it. If it Condeleeza Rice it'd be a different story. It has nothing to do with the fact that shes a woman.

[bunk]

Its Tony Sopranos therapist.

Ah. Never seen the show.

[Marx]

funny, when a Republican chooses a woman to be on his ticket as VP, thus making HISTORY, it's just because she's a "woman" and a ploy to pander to the "female vote."

Let me put this out there again - Do you honestly believe that John McCain would have picked Palin as his VP if Barack Obama had chosen Clinton?

[sinewave]

She's also passed legislation taxing oil company profits, which resulted in a large increase in Alaska's treasury.

as Governor she gave state profits made off of record oil profits back to the people of her state and she has fought oil company corruption as chairman of the states oil and gas ethics commission - thats a huge PLUS for McCain.

so you guys are for raising taxes on oil companies and transferring the wealth to the people? interesting. where have i heard that before?

[Spider-Bite]

Bigger = better, right? Especially when the vast majority of Americans don't live in major cities like Chicago?

It's a larger amount of responsiblity, with a larger number of people to serve.


What did Barack Obama accomplish in his time in Chicago? What piece of legislation has he ever authored that has been passed? What experience does he have running ANYTHING besides a campaign? He's never so much as managed a CD store.

I'll get back to you, in a big hurry right now, but I already answered the part in bold. And even Bill O' Reily has cricized this attack on Obama, and said "you can look at his record and see how he has accomplished things, and got things done."

Even O'Reily.

[EdRyder]

Anyone who thinks that there arent Hillary supporters that are going to vote for McCain hast been on the PUMA site yet.
The idiotic bickering and moronic reasoning on those boards make you guys look like neurosurgeons.

[Kurosawa]

No. He was arguably just as inexperienced as Obama. That's not my issue here. My problem with this selection is the utter hypocrisy and transparency behind it.

McCain has been trying to woo female voters by picking at Clintonite wounds with ads for weeks. He's hammered Obama on lack of experience. And then he turns right around and makes a choice that totally neutralizes his own arguments?? How is that good judgement?

The man is old...and horny. That's it. :whatever:

Basically, she's Danyelle Quayle.

[SuBe]

dude just wait till Limbaugh covers this on the radio. this might hurt McCain with his own base.
Aparently you don't know anything about that either, Limabaugh was over at 3 o'clock. He fully supports the decision. And so has every other Conservative Pundit I've heard today.

[souvlaki]

funny, when a Republican chooses a woman to be on his ticket as VP, thus making HISTORY, it's just because she's a "woman" and a ploy to pander to the "female vote."

Because it obviously is. Any time you hear a Republican praise Hillary Clinton and Geraldine Ferraro in a speech it's pandering.

[Spider-Bite]

so you guys are for raising taxes on oil companies and transferring the wealth to the people? interesting. where have i heard that before?

probably me

[Marx]

Aparently you don't know anything about that either, Limabaugh was over at 3 o'clock. He fully supports the decision. And so has every other Conservative Pundit I've heard today.

They cannot condemn Obama for his 'lack of experience' and praise Palin for her 'lack of experience.' John McCain just blew a whole through his attack plan.

[Spider-Bite]

That's like me talking about the Finer points of Water Polo.

dude, you don't even know what tyranny is. who do you think your fooling?

[SuBe]

Because it obviously is. Any time you hear a Republican praise Hillary Clinton and Geraldine Ferraro in a speech it's pandering.
And it is obvious that Obama picked Biden because he lack any kind of experience.

[Mr Sparkle]

Aparently you don't know anything about that either, Limabaugh was over at 3 o'clock. He fully supports the decision. And so has every other Conservative Pundit I've heard today.


thus making him and any other pundit who once touted the "experience" card against Obama either a liar or a hypocrite. :up:

YAY!

[Tron5000]

so you guys are for raising taxes on oil companies and transferring the wealth to the people? interesting. where have i heard that before?

It was not previously taxed in Alaska, while it is in almost every other state. Obama proposes raising the federal tax on a gallon of gas, which is already beyond absurd. The two are not the same.

[souvlaki]

Anyone who thinks that there arent Hillary supporters that are going to vote for McCain hast been on the PUMA site yet.
The idiotic bickering and moronic reasoning on those boards make you guys look like neurosurgeons.

You mean the 2.5 million member organization that couldn't even get 60 people to a convention? PUMA is a complete fraud. It's nothing more than a bunch of Republicans pretending to be Hillary supporters.