The Official Lex Luthor Casting Thread

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Honest opinion please...

If Singer doesn't establish Lexcorp, are you going to feel something is missing from the sequel?

Or are you content with the second movie having Lex as a more public figure (politics) obstaining from business practices for now? One that gains at least some trust and has the ability to sway a certain amount of public opinion.

Or if none of the above happens and it's more Lex on the run, hiding if necessary.

Choose please!

[Brainiac 2009]

Lexcorp. He should team up his resources with the govt against Brainiac or some kind of threat, save the day, and win over the public.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Lex as a political figure seems to be the way it could go but... I would be interested in seeing Spacey portray Lex as a calculating businessman.

[Jimmy, GL]

How about, "Stuck in Jail until after SR2." I like that idea. We've had Lex for vour of the five Superman movie that have been out now an I honestly want a break from him.:csad:

[El Payaso]

I rather to have the corporate Lex but I don't have half a problem with Donner/Singer version.

[Hunter Rider]

There's no reason for him to be in jail as he wasn't caught doing anything and i think he should be established as a powerful and seemingly benevolent businessman first before a politician in order to fund his campaign and make the right contacts so i voted Lexcorp Lex for the sequel:up:

[Showtime]

I know he didn't get caught, but it's kind of aggrevating that he gets away with all of this free and easy. I wonder what they will do?

[Motown Marvel]

i'd be cool with lex corp, or on the run. too early for his character, in the film world, to be taking political office. the only reason he was able to do that in the comics was because of his reputation with lex corp and such....

[batman44]

I'd say go for Lexcorp. With the embarassment Lex has already received from Superman, he'll love nothing more than to get under Superman's skin by gaining public trust with public. Plus Lex already has the funds to start anew company.

[dude love]

Lexcorp, go for political office in the Batman/Superman movie once both trilogies are done... I'm allowed to dream! :(

[wellsy]

I've put down for Lexcorp too - after inhereting the Vanderworth fortune, its only logical that he'd want to expand onto it.

And if he moves into politics later, then he will be able to hire Lexcorp to get Cadmus rolling, and can use his image as a benevloent philanthropist that he could easily establish as head of Lexcorp to great advantage.

[Kid_Kaos]

You can't go corporate Lex within the pre-crisis setup, it looks unbelievable and destroys possibilities in a restart that will happen sometime anyway.

I say - get him on the run "Prison Break" style and make him try to kill Superman once more and finally dying to end the charade of Idiot-Luthor.

[dpm07]

I think it was ridiculously goofy of Singer and his whack pack of writers to show a blatant lack of originality by continuing the Donner films. They should have retconned everything and made an established Superman dealing with LuthorCorp, if they were going to use Lex Luthor.

They try to redeem themselves by saying they had originality by including "Superson", but in actuality, all they did was create an unnecessary plot device, that really is difficult to abolish. Especially if there's another director to the film down the line.

[superbaby]

I think it was ridiculously goofy of Singer and his whack pack of writers to show a blatant lack of originality by continuing the Donner films. They should have retconned everything and made an established Superman dealing with LuthorCorp, if they were going to use Lex Luthor.

They try to redeem themselves by saying they had originality by including "Superson", but in actuality, all they did was create an unnecessary plot device, that really is difficult to abolish. Especially if there's another director to the film down the line.
i can't agree more. it's the stupidest thing to continue the lex luthor of the donner film and make him looking for land again. it's another deadly mistake.

damn... how stupid, stupid they are... and they (the 2 writers) claimed that they are the superman comics' fan.

[Dark_Lord]

I think by now he (Lex) must have realized that his land plans are kinda silly (at least the one in SR was) and its time for him to try something new.

I dont really care which of the top 2 they get to do (if they change him) as long as they do it. But I'd actually prefer Lexcorp Lex if they find a good way to make that happen.

Also depending on how long after SR the sequel will take place is it possible to trurn Lex into a bussinesman or a politician? I think they might show him going that way but it might not happen right away. Maybe he will by the end of the sequel.

[Steelsheen]

mad scientist in the inside, persuasive, conniving businessman on the outside. politics just follows the charm that is Lex Luthor.

[dpm07]

mad scientist in the inside, persuasive, conniving businessman on the outside. politics just follows the charm that is Lex Luthor.

Well put.

Just like the STAS/JL/JLU version, which was actually the best interpretation to date, IMO of any medium.

[Steelsheen]

damn right DP :up:

[El Payaso]

I think it was ridiculously goofy of Singer and his whack pack of writers to show a blatant lack of originality by continuing the Donner films. They should have retconned everything and made an established Superman dealing with LuthorCorp, if they were going to use Lex Luthor.



Yeah, they should replace the lack of originality that made Singer to continue the Donner movies by the lack of originality that should make Singer to continue the comic books.

[BobJM]

For all of those saying that he could use his inherited fortune to start LexCorp, in this movieverse, its quite impossible. No government would ever allow a convicted criminal with charges for attempted genecide be head of a arms-manufacturing mega empire like LexCorp.

[Freddy_Krueger]

For all of those saying that he could use his inherited fortune to start LexCorp, in this movieverse, its quite impossible. No government would ever allow a convicted criminal with charges for attempted genecide be head of a arms-manufacturing mega empire like LexCorp.

Or run for president, for that matter.

[The Punisher]

I'm all for Lex Corp. I really want to see it in the sequel.

[buggs0268]

There's no reason for him to be in jail as he wasn't caught doing anything and i think he should be established as a powerful and seemingly benevolent businessman first before a politician in order to fund his campaign and make the right contacts so i voted Lexcorp Lex for the sequel:up:
Actually Lois is a material witness, and he did do something which did damage to Metropolis. Superman was brought in to the hospital with a stab wound and they pulled out the Kryptonite out of the wound, which is irrefutable evidence. Everyone saw Superman lifting that big land mass that Lex Luthor created, which caused the damage. His boat, with a russion missle launcher bolted to it, is at the bottom of the sea (and mini sub can go down there and photogrpaph it. Lois sent the co-ordinates of where the ship is so they know where to look. And again, Lois, Richard, and her son are material witnesses. Lex spelled out exactly what he was going to do, even had a map of it, so Luthor would be arrested first time he shows up in public. There is too much evidence and witness to put him in jail and to get a conviction. He would go to federal prison. The reason Lex is able to be a corporate magnate in the comics is that he already was rich and hired goons to do his work that could not be traced back to him. But in SR, Lex had direct connection to the events he caused, with witness. So it would be very stupid to make him president of the US, or of a company.

[Kabuki_Jo]

No Lex for the sequel would be fine.

[The Punisher]

I want to see President Lex maybe in the third film. Lex coming back in the sequel and rebuilding himself (example Lex Corp.) should be the way imo.

[FlawlessVictory]

Actually Lois is a material witness, and he did do something which did damage to Metropolis. Superman was brought in to the hospital with a stab wound and they pulled out the Kryptonite out of the wound, which is irrefutable evidence. Everyone saw Superman lifting that big land mass that Lex Luthor created, which caused the damage. His boat, with a russion missle launcher bolted to it, is at the bottom of the sea (and mini sub can go down there and photogrpaph it. Lois sent the co-ordinates of where the ship is so they know where to look. And again, Lois, Richard, and her son are material witnesses. Lex spelled out exactly what he was going to do, even had a map of it, so Luthor would be arrested first time he shows up in public. There is too much evidence and witness to put him in jail and to get a conviction. He would go to federal prison. The reason Lex is able to be a corporate magnate in the comics is that he already was rich and hired goons to do his work that could not be traced back to him. But in SR, Lex had direct connection to the events he caused, with witness. So it would be very stupid to make him president of the US, or of a company.

Yea, I'd say those are pretty tough obstacles to overcome for Lex. Singer, Dougherty and Harris may have written themselves into a corner with this one.

[Brainiac 2009]

Lets not forget Lex has a piece of information thousands of times more damaging than Superman's secret identity...

Lex knows Jason is Superman's son and could put Jason in a dangerous position if that knowledge was exposed to the public. Lex could manipulate silence from Superman, Lois and Richard because of that fact.

I still think both Richard and Lois knew Superman was the father all along and were trying to protect Jason. When confronted by Lex about Jason's paternity, Kate played Lois as though she was lying/trying to cover up the truth when she said 'Richard', it was pretty transparent.

Lex will likely never be the President of the United States (which wasnt the best concept in the comics anyway) but forming Lexcorp through some kind of partnership with the Govt would be the best.

It almost feels like 24 when the Govt needed Assad's help to defend the country against a nuclear threat.

[LordJK]

Lex should be on the run in this movie, but he should be working behind the scenes, trying to find some way to clear his name and then create LexCorp from there.

We can't just go straight from Rich guy who plans to kill billions to a respected businessman. The character needs to be developed.

[Brainiac 2009]

I'd rather they focus more on the scientist aspect of Lex in Lexcorp and less of the businessman aspect.

I dont think Lex should go after money and political power anymore. He should be on a quest for absolute knowledge and immortality.

Perhaps this is what should draw him to Brainiac in the sequel, similar to the Amazo story in JLU.

[LordJK]

Really what they should have done is had Lex as an established businessman in SR. He had 5 years without Superman to contend with, he should have accomplished more than swindling an old lady out of her money.

That way we could've had the businessman moving onto supervillain aspect from JLU.

[matthooper]

Luthor has been in every Superman except III. Enough is enough with him, especially since Singer retreads everything about him anyway including his schemes.

If there is any hope of a good sequel, they need to get as far away from this Singer/Donner continuity as possible while keeping the spirit of those films. No Luthor. In this Donnersingerverse, he tried to destroy the world at least 3 times, 4 if you count S4. Do you think we'd let him run for president, or own a major corporation? Luthor has been done to death. Infact, it would have been nice if he died in SR. As far as on the run, with all of Supes powers, he can't find Luthor? That's even dumber than president Luthor.

It's too late now to do anything good with him. If Singer had established something interesting in SR, maybe we could continue with him. He's dead weight now.

[Showtime]

Luthor has been in every Superman except III. Enough is enough with him, especially since Singer retreads everything about him anyway including his schemes.

If there is any hope of a good sequel, they need to get as far away from this Singer/Donner continuity as possible while keeping the spirit of those films. No Luthor. In this Donnersingerverse, he tried to destroy the world at least 3 times, 4 if you count S4. Do you think we'd let him run for president, or own a major corporation? Luthor has been done to death. Infact, it would have been nice if he died in SR. As far as on the run, with all of Supes powers, he can't find Luthor? That's even dumber than president Luthor.

It's too late now to do anything good with him. If Singer had established something interesting in SR, maybe we could continue with him. He's dead weight now.

I don't know about killing him off, that was the biggest mistake made in the 1st Batman run, when they killed the Joker. I wouldn't mind seeing him in the background ala Superman 2.

[Jimmy, GL]

Luthor has been in every Superman except III. Enough is enough with him, especially since Singer retreads everything about him anyway including his schemes.

If there is any hope of a good sequel, they need to get as far away from this Singer/Donner continuity as possible while keeping the spirit of those films. No Luthor. In this Donnersingerverse, he tried to destroy the world at least 3 times, 4 if you count S4. Do you think we'd let him run for president, or own a major corporation? Luthor has been done to death. Infact, it would have been nice if he died in SR. As far as on the run, with all of Supes powers, he can't find Luthor? That's even dumber than president Luthor.

It's too late now to do anything good with him. If Singer had established something interesting in SR, maybe we could continue with him. He's dead weight now.
:up: :D Exactly what I've been trying to say. Thank you.

[Brainiac 2009]

I don't know about killing him off, that was the biggest mistake made in the 1st Batman run, when they killed the Joker. I wouldn't mind seeing him in the background ala Superman 2.

A better example is X2:

Magneto = Lex

Stryker = Brainiac

[Jimmy, GL]

Lets not forget Lex has a piece of information thousands of times more damaging than Superman's secret identity...

Lex knows Jason is Superman's son and could put Jason in a dangerous position if that knowledge was exposed to the public. Lex could manipulate silence from Superman, Lois and Richard because of that fact.

I still think both Richard and Lois knew Superman was the father all along and were trying to protect Jason. When confronted by Lex about Jason's paternity, Kate played Lois as though she was lying/trying to cover up the truth when she said 'Richard', it was pretty transparent.

Lex will likely never be the President of the United States (which wasnt the best concept in the comics anyway) but forming Lexcorp through some kind of partnership with the Govt would be the best.

It almost feels like 24 when the Govt needed Assad's help to defend the country against a nuclear threat.

In the immortal words of Kevin Spacey... WRONG! Lex has suspisions of Jason being Superman's kid. He never saw the kid throw the piano. The only evidence he has is that kryptonite issue. Even that can be testified as completely circumstantial. He has no physical proof. He would say... "Hey look this kid is Superman's son!" and people would look at him like he's crazy. There is almost no resemblance between the kid and Kal-El anyway. He has Lois's body build.

Lois knew Jason was Superman's kid... Right. That's why she was giving him cold medicine and pills all the time. That's why he always had the sniffles and asthma. I doubt seriously she knew until she was on the boat. Another thing that bugs me is if when Lois had the Kryptonite from Superman's back why didn't Jason go all krypto-impaired? Plot holes are fun.

[Yellow Cyclone]

when details about SR started to come out, it bugged me that almost 20 years after a superman film we STILL haven't seen a LexCorp. to me that is always the best and definitive version.

they still could've told their "story" by having lex as a business man instead of marrying money *gag*

imo, the best part of the superman story and his relation to lex, is that Lex was THE super man in metropolis. always in the newspapers, talked about, discussed etc...of course this only lasts until the real Superman shows up, then he's dropped like a hat and becomes yesterday's news. to me this always seemed like the perfect interpretation of Lex's hatred of superman.

sure he always claims he can help make the world a better place, cure cancer, or whatever and he always can't b/c Supes was in his way; outisde the fact he's never made an attempt when Superman is never around. but in reality it's simple jealousy that drives him and i think the audience could really identify with it

unforunately we're stuck with donner-Lex 1.5 :(

[Showtime]

In the immortal words of Kevin Spacey... WRONG! Lex has suspisions of Jason being Superman's kid. He never saw the kid throw the piano. The only evidence he has is that kryptonite issue. Even that can be testified as completely circumstantial. He has no physical proof. He would say... "Hey look this kid is Superman's son!" and people would look at him like he's crazy. There is almost no resemblance between the kid and Kal-El anyway. He has Lois's body build.

Lois knew Jason was Superman's kid... Right. That's why she was giving him cold medicine and pills all the time. That's why he always had the sniffles and asthma. I doubt seriously she knew until she was on the boat. Another thing that bugs me is if when Lois had the Kryptonite from Superman's back why didn't Jason go all krypto-impaired? Plot holes are fun.

Kryptonite doesn't have an effect on Jason though? I don't know if that is a plothole, or due to the fact he has different DNA. I thought Lex showing him the Kryptonite and him throwing the piano actually might have pointed to the Kryptonite giving Jason powers, almost a Bizzaro effect. Just a thought.

[matthooper]

I don't know about killing him off, that was the biggest mistake made in the 1st Batman run, when they killed the Joker.

The difference is that the Joker was killed in the first film. Luthor has now been used in four Superman films. Isn't there a point when he's been done enough for the films?

I wouldn't mind seeing him in the background ala Superman 2.

Again, it's been done. Why see that scenario again? If Singer has any hope of making a decent sequel, he has to move on.

[Showtime]

Well good or bad, it doesnt look like that is going to happen. Spacey is signed on and per his last appearance on late night, he said they are doing another one with him involved. I am not saying I wouldn't mind seeing Lex missing from the flick, but I liked Spacey's version. I would love to see a Lex more solidified in society ala Lexcorp.

[matthooper]

I would love to see a Lex more solidified in society ala Lexcorp.


That would have had to be established during SR. It's too late now.

[Jimmy, GL]

Kryptonite doesn't have an effect on Jason though? I don't know if that is a plothole, or due to the fact he has different DNA. I thought Lex showing him the Kryptonite and him throwing the piano actually might have pointed to the Kryptonite giving Jason powers, almost a Bizzaro effect. Just a thought.

No it's a plot hole. If it had been the way you described Jason would have been Supercharged when they needed to get out of the Kitchen supply closet from all the Kryptonite oustide the ship. Unless the ship was made of Lead. Which would kind of starnge... Anyway yea plot hole.

[Crazymaverick]

IMO the movie universe should try to dovetail into the current comicbook continuity (sue me I voted for tycoon Lex). That way it'll take it's own path getting there (thereby being fresh for all audiences) but it will ultimately become familiar to long time comic fans, thereby satisfying them.

Once there is more common ground between the movies and the comics, Warner/DC will ultimately profit by selling more comics to fresh readers who will have some point of reference.


Basically:

Fresh storylines in the movie + Longtime fans happy + Comics gaining new readers = WB making a ton of money. :D

[Il_Siciliano]

Hey guys, it's been a while.
I'd like Lex to be the Lexcorp guy again because that's the best Lex IMO. Being a convicted felon I doubt he could do the politics gig in the next movie.
Ultimately I'd like him to invent Braniac (using some alien technology supplied to him by a mysterious being), Superman fights Braniac and at the end of the sequel there's a massive huge scale alien invasion and that's how it ends. In the 3rd movie (which I'd like to be like a cooler Independence Day movie, just with Superman) we should realise that Darkseid is behind the invasion and he's the mysterious character who supplied Luthor with the Braniac technology, to use him to create a portal for the invasion or something.
Essentially the saga could be like that old elseworlds where Metallo kills the evil alien invader and Superboy becomes Superman. I think it's from 1995 or something.
Cheerio.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

No it's a plot hole. If it had been the way you described Jason would have been Supercharged when they needed to get out of the Kitchen supply closet from all the Kryptonite oustide the ship. Unless the ship was made of Lead. Which would kind of starnge... Anyway yea plot hole.

Kryptonite doesn't affect the kid. Don't you remember when Lex got suspicious and shoved the kryptonite in his face? When Jason had it almost on his face it didn't affect him and at that point Lex was like "never mind" and figured it can't be Superman's kid because the kryptonite did nothing. He only suspected it again when it was found that the piano was thrown. I can't believe people forgot Lex testing the kryptonite on him.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Found this to support my statement

wikipedia

"
While investigating Lex Luthor's yacht with Jason, the two are abducted by Luthor himself. When Luthor brings out some kryptonite, Jason appears faintly weak, inspiring Lex to ask Lois who the child's father is. Lois informs him that it is Richard. Luthor then holds the kryptonite much closer to Jason, but it produces no apparent effects on Jason. Luthor seems to shrug off his suspicion as false."

[FanboyX_Returns]

matthooper[/B] http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11178643#post11178643)]
Luthor has been in every Superman except III. Enough is enough with him, especially since Singer retreads everything about him anyway including his schemes.

If there is any hope of a good sequel, they need to get as far away from this Singer/Donner continuity as possible while keeping the spirit of those films. No Luthor. In this Donnersingerverse, he tried to destroy the world at least 3 times, 4 if you count S4. Do you think we'd let him run for president, or own a major corporation? Luthor has been done to death. Infact, it would have been nice if he died in SR. As far as on the run, with all of Supes powers, he can't find Luthor? That's even dumber than president Luthor.

It's too late now to do anything good with him. If Singer had established something interesting in SR, maybe we could continue with him. He's dead weight now.


Yep which is why Superman 3 is still my personal favorite in the series! heh :woot:

[superbaby]

Lets not forget Lex has a piece of information thousands of times more damaging than Superman's secret identity...

Lex knows Jason is Superman's son and could put Jason in a dangerous position if that knowledge was exposed to the public. Lex could manipulate silence from Superman, Lois and Richard because of that fact.

I still think both Richard and Lois knew Superman was the father all along and were trying to protect Jason. When confronted by Lex about Jason's paternity, Kate played Lois as though she was lying/trying to cover up the truth when she said 'Richard', it was pretty transparent.

Lex will likely never be the President of the United States (which wasnt the best concept in the comics anyway) but forming Lexcorp through some kind of partnership with the Govt would be the best.

It almost feels like 24 when the Govt needed Assad's help to defend the country against a nuclear threat.
there you go, the core story of singer's sequel.

[Eros]

Since Lex is an ex-con who went to jail for attemped genocide, and was released on an appeal I assume. Not to mention it takes years to start a corporate company, then theirs the fact Lois probbably is going to do a story on on Luthor kidnapping her and her son, and trying to destroy superman and the world.

[bosef982]

A lot of you guys are just reiterating stuff I've been saying for MONTHS now...but oh well...:oldrazz:

[Jimmy, GL]

Found this to support my statement

wikipedia

"
While investigating Lex Luthor's yacht with Jason, the two are abducted by Luthor himself. When Luthor brings out some kryptonite, Jason appears faintly weak, inspiring Lex to ask Lois who the child's father is. Lois informs him that it is Richard. Luthor then holds the kryptonite much closer to Jason, but it produces no apparent effects on Jason. Luthor seems to shrug off his suspicion as false."

First. Never trust Wiki, the article you pointed out could be an opinion. Second that could have been just crappy child acting that it didn't look like it affected him. But if this is true and the Kryptonite didn't affect Jason then that would shoot down Lex's suspicions. Which I don't think it did. In my opinion Jason looked liek he was about to have an asthma attack from the Kryptonite.

[Brainiac 2009]

The Kryptonite DIDNT affect Jason. He just stared at it, memserized.

I think hes mainly human, it doesnt affect him.

[Showtime]

No it's a plot hole. If it had been the way you described Jason would have been Supercharged when they needed to get out of the Kitchen supply closet from all the Kryptonite oustide the ship. Unless the ship was made of Lead. Which would kind of starnge... Anyway yea plot hole.

Not if the effects were temporary, as the negative effects on Superman. Actually that would be called consistency, not a plothole.

[Jimmy, GL]

Not if the effects were temporary, as the negative effects on Superman. Actually that would be called consistency, not a plothole.
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While on the boat they were basically surrounded by Kryponite. If the K did give Jason more powers then he would have been basically supercharged by all the radiation, and therefore would have been able to open the door. If it happened the way you proposed then it's a plot-hole... Either way it's a plothole. Unless the K doens't affect Jason at all.

[Mr. Socko]

NO LEX!

I love Joker but know how annoying and stupid it would have gotten if he's the villain in all of the Batman movies! The average person only associates two villains with Superman. Lex and Zod. Because that's all they've ever been given!

[BobJM]

Watching the last few seasons of JL and JLU and even S:TAS, it makes me so disappointed that Singer opted for Donner's version of Luthor over the corrupt businessman with half of Metropolis in his control.

Not only does it make the character like 1000x better, it opens up many possibilities in storylines. Cadmus, anyone? Creation of Metallo or Brainiac (according to S:TAS, two origins of characters that truly worked well)

[dpm07]

Watching the last few seasons of JL and JLU and even S:TAS, it makes me so disappointed that Singer opted for Donner's version of Luthor over the corrupt businessman with half of Metropolis in his control.

Not only does it make the character like 1000x better, it opens up many possibilities in storylines. Cadmus, anyone? Creation of Metallo or Brainiac (according to S:TAS, two origins of characters that truly worked well)

Very well said. The STAS provided stories that were far superior than anything that Singer did with Superman, and many people I've talked to who have had the opportunity to see STAS and various episodes of JL/JLU focusing on Superman, have agreed as well.

Instead of a great Superman film, we received Singerman and Superson. Not a film worth a lot of repeat viewing as evidenced by the box office intake. It's sad. Superman deserves better than Singer. We all do.

[superbaby]

Very well said. The STAS provided stories that were far superior than anything that Singer did with Superman, and many people I've talked to who have had the opportunity to see STAS and various episodes of JL/JLU focusing on Superman, have agreed as well.

Instead of a great Superman film, we received Singerman and Superson. Not a film worth a lot of repeat viewing as evidenced by the box office intake. It's sad. Superman deserves better than Singer. We all do.
how can superman get rid of singer then...

[GreenKToo]

as long as he is portrayed more like he is in the comics i'll be happy, be it the Lex-corp Lex, or politics, I just want him to be different than he was in S.R..

[thedarks0ldier]

I don't think Lex was convicted actually. Didn't Superman fail to show up to the testimony? He was charged but not convicted.

And to testify for his innocents regarding the events of SR, Superman claim Lex had no part in it. To Lex's surprize, Superman let him free, twice, or so he thinks. When he returns to the Vanderworth residence he discovers the crystal in to little train set has grown, and that Brainiac's essence is in it, talking to him.

Brainiac made a Superman clone to set Luthor free, (this clone always lies (but in a subtle way), and eventually becomes Bizarro. (the backwards "S" will come when he is deteriorating and see's a reflection of himself, with the backwards "S", so he takes it off and wears it inside out). Before Bizarro turns ugly, he'd take down Richard's airplane, (out of envy) and presumably kill Richard.

Superman doesn't know how to explain what has happend, So as Clark he tries to write something to clear his image, Lois goes crazy (having lost her husband) and tries to beat up Superman, Superman tells her his true identity.

Back to Luthor and Brainiac- Brainiac helps Luthor develop arms and high powered missiles and thus he gets his Lexcorps started.


In the end Lois admits her love to Superman, Bizarro and Superman duke it out, people realize why "Superman" was acting crazy, Brainiac launches a bunch of LexCorps nukes, Bizarro sacrifices himself to stop the world. Metallo breaks Lex out and goes after Superman, Jason save's Superman from Metallo (aka Richard) and Brainiac is "destroyed."

[Eros]

I don't think Lex was convicted actually. Didn't Superman fail to show up to the testimony? He was charged but not convicted.

Lex was convicted and sent to prison, but got out on an appeal I think, or superman didn't show up during his appeal. He wanted revenge on superman for sending him to jail. Plus the FBI was after him even before superman arrived, hence why he lived underground.

[Katsuro]

I don't think Lex was convicted actually. Didn't Superman fail to show up to the testimony? He was charged but not convicted.

And to testify for his innocents regarding the events of SR, Superman claim Lex had no part in it. To Lex's surprize, Superman let him free, twice, or so he thinks. When he returns to the Vanderworth residence he discovers the crystal in to little train set has grown, and that Brainiac's essence is in it, talking to him.

Brainiac made a Superman clone to set Luthor free, (this clone always lies (but in a subtle way), and eventually becomes Bizarro. (the backwards "S" will come when he is deteriorating and see's a reflection of himself, with the backwards "S", so he takes it off and wears it inside out). Before Bizarro turns ugly, he'd take down Richard's airplane, (out of envy) and presumably kill Richard.

Superman doesn't know how to explain what has happend, So as Clark he tries to write something to clear his image, Lois goes crazy (having lost her husband) and tries to beat up Superman, Superman tells her his true identity.

Back to Luthor and Brainiac- Brainiac helps Luthor develop arms and high powered missiles and thus he gets his Lexcorps started.


In the end Lois admits her love to Superman, Bizarro and Superman duke it out, people realize why "Superman" was acting crazy, Brainiac launches a bunch of LexCorps nukes, Bizarro sacrifices himself to stop the world. Metallo breaks Lex out and goes after Superman, Jason save's Superman from Metallo (aka Richard) and Brainiac is "destroyed."

That's actually not a bad idea. Using Bizarro to pretend to be Superman to clear Luthor's name. Either way, I hope Singer finds a way to make Lex the ruthless businessman we all know and love.

[superbaby]

I don't think Lex was convicted actually. Didn't Superman fail to show up to the testimony? He was charged but not convicted.

any funny idea by singer...

[haephestus]

Hmmmmm. Working within the confines of SR.

I wouldn't mind seeing Lex Luthor in the background as an underground criminal mastermind (perhaps mention a few articles by Lois and Clark about an unidentified crime figure who has been manipulating events in Metropolis), etc.

Then Lex somehow manipulates the surrounding events involving Brainiac and comes away looking the hero in the eyes of the public, which could then set up a Senator or even President Lex in the third film. I also wouldn't mind if the only reason Lex has the key to defeating some plan of Brainiac's is because they somehow teamed up together part way through the movie (eg Brainiac creates some computer virus and Lex secretly works on an anti-virus which he basically ransoms to the world in exchange for a pardon, yet manages to manipulate public opinion so he appears the hero).

Meanwhile, Superman is off really saving the world by defeating robotic Brainiac in a physical showdown. So, basically both Superman and Lex would come off looking like heroes, but Lex would make arguments along the lines of Brainiac being a Kryptonian threat brought to earth by Superman, etc.

Not sure if it could all work. But would be good to move away from the more criminally minded Lex to a more politically threatening Lex.

Cheers.

[GreenKToo]

I would love for Lex to turn public opinion against superman by blaming him for N.K. Lex would then use that public support to run for office, (maybe mayor to start with??) promising the public that he will protect them against superman and his alien technology, but all the while he is secrectly in a partnership with Brainiac to rule the world...after a montage of the first film in the opening credits, the film would open with a campaign ad on T.V. showing the effects of N.K. on metropolis and surrounding areas, the damage, death etc etc. then, a shot of superman in the ad appears, with a voice over by Luthor saying something to the effect of ''vote luthor, and never again worry about the intentions of supposed protectors''..then it would show clark at the daily planet, seeing the ad, and his reaction to it, which is made even worse by listening to people with his superhearing responding positively to the ad.

[Matt]

As much as I'd like to see LexCorp or President Lex, the way Singer has made the character, it is incredibly unlikely, would require a ****load of retconning, and possibly bring even more plot holes to the movie. Therefore I voted the third option.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

VOTE!

No middle ground. One way or the other please.

[I Am The Knight]

Because we live in a black & white world right?

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Nope just a healthy dose of specificity. Most people in society go towards the middle ground as to not be wrong in either sides view. I choose to spit on that notion and say choose one or the other. Kind of fun. Don't like it? Don't vote. :) Or copy the thread and make a poll you feel is specific to you. Doesn't matter to me.

[Lighthouse]

I'd say Lexcorp with this Lex Luthor is pretty much guaranteed not to happen. And even if it does show up, its not going to matter because it will be in a completely different context than the comic/Smallville/Animated series Lexcorp is.

[wellsy]

Frankly, I couldn't really care either way, just as long as it makes for a good story.

[dpm07]

I'd care very much. It would be disappointing to me, but after seeing SR and being tremendously disappointed by many elements, I wouldn't be surprised if Singer didn't incorporate LexCorp in his next "Singerman and Superson" film.

[Kid_Kaos]

LexCorp doesn't work in Singerworld. (At least not with the setup we have now.)

[Justice Bringer]

JC you previously hinted Mike and Dan were retooling Lex for the sequel.

Is Lexcorp what theyre doing now?

[blind_fury]

I have to expect something good in order to be disappointed.

After Superman Returns I don't expect anything but more soap opera gimmicks and wasted potential.

[superbaby]

lex was ruined.

he has killed the hero and still survived, running free and probably make a great return.
where is the truth, justice and the american way???
we don't get it in real life and we can't get it in a superman movie. how sad.

[VenomsMom]

I found this Lex to be quite entertaining. Keep this version. Had he did this plan a week before Superman came back he would have gotten away with it. Lex is a genius.

[Lightning54SC]

lex was ruined.

he has killed the hero and still survived, running free and probably make a great return.
where is the truth, justice and the american way???
we don't get it in real life and we can't get it in a superman movie. how sad.


agreed

[Qwerty©]

I wouldn't be too disappointed. Lexcorp has only been part of Lex's character for 20 years of Superman history, leaving 50 years without it. Singer is free to use either interpretation.

Anyone who believes that Singer's portrayal of Lex is wrong just because Lexcorp isn't present, is close-minded.

Not to say I wouldn't want Lexcorp, as it is a very interesting dynamic of post-crisis Lex that I enjoyed in the DCAU.

[Weadazoid]

I want to see it........ mainly for the technology.... advanced Military contracts ect ect

[ReTrO JuNkIe 42]

I wouldn't be too disappointed. Lexcorp has only been part of Lex's character for 20 years of Superman history, leaving 50 years without it. Singer is free to use either interpretation.

Anyone who believes that Singer's portrayal of Lex is wrong just because Lexcorp isn't present, is close-minded.

Not to say I wouldn't want Lexcorp, as it is a very interesting dynamic of post-crisis Lex that I enjoyed in the DCAU.


I think it is an intresting dynamic, and it puts his public persona against Supermans and the doubt that would be in the citizens minds as to who to trust an alien or some one who has built metropolis up (if it was like the DCAU)

[VenomsMom]

This Lex shocked us in STM. He made us laugh in SII. He was a no show in SIII. He made his spectacular return in SIV. And then he threatened all of humanity in SR after waiting patiently in prison for his appeal the right way. Who wouldn't want this Lex? What will he do next. I can't wait to see.

[TheComicbookKid]

it's kind of sad. Not to trash anyone's opinion. but these characters have many diffrent interpretations. What if writers said,"why would we give Lex a Corporation when he's been a scientist since he was created"

Not liking Singers' Lex is one thing but to say he can't be anyway else is weird.

[Matt]

I voted extremely, but it is really moot as LexCorp at this point simply wouldn't work.

[Matt]

it's kind of sad. Not to trash anyone's opinion. but these characters have many diffrent interpretations. What if writers said,"why would we give Lex a Corporation when he's been a scientist since he was created"

Not liking Singers' Lex is one thing but to say he can't be anyway else is weird.

I think the general consensus is however, that LexCorp is the superior Lex Luthor characterization.

What you are saying is as if Chris Nolan decided to use the Red Hood and only the Red Hood and then you say "Whats it matter? Its still the Joker."

[FlawlessVictory]

it's kind of sad. Not to trash anyone's opinion. but these characters have many diffrent interpretations. What if writers said,"why would we give Lex a Corporation when he's been a scientist since he was created"

Not liking Singers' Lex is one thing but to say he can't be anyway else is weird.

How is Lex a scientist in the Donner/Singer movies?

[Showtime]

I think Lex can possibly be laying the foundation for Lexcorp, maybe by working with Star Labs or funding the Cadmus Project. There is a possibility he could have taken over a business in Metropolis as well. There is definately a way to move from the Donner Lex to more of a business tycoon, they just can't do it in one swipe of the pen.

[TheComicbookKid]

I think the general consensus is however, that LexCorp is the superior Lex Luthor characterization.

What you are saying is as if Chris Nolan decided to use the Red Hood and only the Red Hood and then you say "Whats it matter? Its still the Joker."

Nice try, but Nolan is actually the perfect example. He's using a certain more maniac version of Joker instead of the lighter 1989 version. Both are legitamate versions. No one is complaining.

[FlawlessVictory]

Nice try, but Nolan is actually the perfect example. He's using a certain more maniac version of Joker instead of the lighter 1989 version. Both are legitamate versions. No one is complaining.

You know why no one is complaining about Nolan's take on the Joker? It's because of reasons like below:

NOLAN: We’re drawing from the entire canon. I don’t want to talk too specifically about it. The thing I will say is that if you go back to the very first appearance of the Joker in the comics …

Which I’ve read. And he’s a bastard.

NOLAN: [emphatically] Yeah. And there’s a very clear direction … It’s pretty surprising how clearly drawn that character is in that book.

http://www.batman-on-film.com/batmovienewsarchives49.html


Now, how many comics did Singer said he turned to for his characterization of Lex? Oh, I forgot, Singer didn't turn to the comics.

[TheComicbookKid]

^That's true and I understand why people want him to use the comics as a guide, but that wasn't the argument he put forth.

Saying there aren't any other way to interpret a character is as silly when that character has been interpreted that way.

I don't want to be a jerk cause I hope Lex has LexCorp in the next movie. If not, then make him an even bigger threat to Superman. X2 was loosely based on "God Loves, Man Kills" so it's not like Singer doesn't know how to do the research.

[Matt]

^That's true and I understand why people want him to use the comics as a guide, but that wasn't the argument he put forth.

Saying there aren't any other way to interpret a character is as silly when that character has been interpreted that way.


But that doesn't make it the best way. Do you want to see King Tut in a Batman movie? Sure, he has been in Batman cannon, he can be interpreted as a Batman villian, but that doesn't make him one of quality. Lex's campy persona is not one of quality. Corporate Lex is. Just because it has been done, doesn't make it good.


I don't want to be a jerk cause I hope Lex has LexCorp in the next movie. If not, then make him an even bigger threat to Superman. X2 was loosely based on "God Loves, Man Kills" so it's not like Singer doesn't know how to do the research.

No it wasn't. X2 was nothing like God Loves, Man Kills. It is like Singer looked through a list of X-Men villians on Wikipedia, closed his eyes, pointed at one, and choose the name. The only similiarity is William Stryker's name. The character of Stryker isn't even the same. He is closer to John Wraith of the Ultimate series. To say X2 is based on God Loves, Man Kills is like saying X-Men is based on Moby Dick because it once featured a character named Ahab. Singer did no research, he picked a name.

[Showtime]

Did somebody mention King Tut in a Batman movie? That is like my life long dream?

http://www.bricabrac.com.br/batman_07.jpg

[Eros]

I think Lex can possibly be laying the foundation for Lexcorp, maybe by working with Star Labs or funding the Cadmus Project. There is a possibility he could have taken over a business in Metropolis as well. There is definately a way to move from the Donner Lex to more of a business tycoon, they just can't do it in one swipe of the pen.


hes trapped on an island, and Lois Lane is going to surely write a story about what happened, not to mention superman and richard white are gonna tell people. Lexcorp is both not neccassary and nearly Impossible by the end of returns.

[Lead Cenobite]

How is Lex a scientist in the Donner/Singer movies?

I dunno, I mean, I guess anyone knows how to cause the west coast to fall into the sea using a warhead. Anyone can build a holographic projector and a black box in prison too, right?

[Dope Nose]

hes trapped on an island, and Lois Lane is going to surely write a story about what happened, not to mention superman and richard white are gonna tell people. Lexcorp is both not neccassary and nearly Impossible by the end of returns.

I disagree. there's really no proof of Lex's involvement so it's really a matter of Lois'/Jason's/Superman's word against his. Lex could argue that the technology used to create the new landmass was clearly alien and that Superman, angry at having missed testifying at Luthor's first trial, is attempting to frame him. regarding Lexcorp, Luthor mentions in the '78 film that he's been purchasing miles of desert land through Lex Luthor Incorporated. so all that's really needed is a short scene where Lex explains that he had made various successful investments through Lex Luthor Inc. but hadn't been able to access the company's funds due to his incarceration and various other legal restrictions which he's only now managed to overcome. suddenly Lex is one of the richest and most powerful men in Metropolis. throw in a line about how he's shortened the name to Lexcorp and you're done.

[Paste Pot Pete]

A thing worth noting, even thought it's anything but canon -

For anyone who has the Superman Ultimate Collection on DVD, the front page article of the little Daily Planet booklet inside reads something about Superman saving a new Lexcorp train from derailing.

But anyways-

No, I wouldn't be all that disappointed, as I liked Luthor in SR. He was by far the most menacing Luthor I've seen in any media besides the comics (including the animated version, who I liked but never found particularly menacing...basically because he just never did much).

However, I think there's ONE major option for Lex starting his business without interference by Superman or Lois.

INSURANCE. He knows about the KID. He has that to hang over Supes' head; he wouldn't dare expose Luthor if it meant putting Jason in danger. For the haters, it gives the despised Jason a major purpose, while at the same time restoring the favored Luthorcorp angle.

In fact, if they were to go in that direction, I'd find it the most believable version of the corporate Luthor ever, as it always personally bugged me how Superman was never able to take him down (I know, I know..money is power and all that crap, but he's Supes for god's sake. At least Spacey's Luthor now knows his Achilles' Heel.)

[wellsy]

I did that (in my script of MoS).

Sorry to digress but I've been wondering, should I repost in this forum (I posted it in other SR sequels)?

[Showtime]

hes trapped on an island, and Lois Lane is going to surely write a story about what happened, not to mention superman and richard white are gonna tell people. Lexcorp is both not neccassary and nearly Impossible by the end of returns.

To bad it's not reality and it's a movie, the guy got off on appeal because Superman wasn't there to testify. In the comics Lex gets out of anything and everything. We'll see if there is a Lexcorp or not, but it won't hinge on you saying it's "impossible" or me saying it's "probable."

[VenomsMom]

To bad it's not reality and it's a movie, the guy got off on appeal because Superman wasn't there to testify. In the comics Lex gets out of anything and everything. We'll see if there is a Lexcorp or not, but it won't hinge on you saying it's "impossible" or me saying it's "probable."
Yes, thats the fabulous justice system. Lex gets off the hook after nearly obliverating the west coast of the US because Superman didn't testify in court. And now he will probably get off for nearly annihilating the east coast after trying to form an illegal land mass that caused destruction in a major city. The guy is a powerful mortal isn't he. This guy does not need super powers. I guess had Ras Al Ghul and Scarecrow been caught and Batman didnt show up in court they would have gotten off to. It doesnt matter because Lex will be back and we wont see Lexcorp anyways. The con man will try to get some powers, that will be the extent of it. I love lex.

[FlawlessVictory]

I disagree. there's really no proof of Lex's involvement so it's really a matter of Lois'/Jason's/Superman's word against his. Lex could argue that the technology used to create the new landmass was clearly alien and that Superman, angry at having missed testifying at Luthor's first trial, is attempting to frame him. regarding Lexcorp, Luthor mentions in the '78 film that he's been purchasing miles of desert land through Lex Luthor Incorporated. so all that's really needed is a short scene where Lex explains that he had made various successful investments through Lex Luthor Inc. but hadn't been able to access the company's funds due to his incarceration and various other legal restrictions which he's only now managed to overcome. suddenly Lex is one of the richest and most powerful men in Metropolis. throw in a line about how he's shortened the name to Lexcorp and you're done.

So, everyone is just supposed to take Lex's word over Superman?! And let me ask you a question, just how did Lex get that technology? Oh yea, he STOLE it.

[FlawlessVictory]

To bad it's not reality and it's a movie, the guy got off on appeal because Superman wasn't there to testify. In the comics Lex gets out of anything and everything. We'll see if there is a Lexcorp or not, but it won't hinge on you saying it's "impossible" or me saying it's "probable."

Yea, because in the comics he is in such a high position and has so many connections, he has the ability to get away with just about everything. Movie Lex isn't in such a position.

[Kid_Kaos]

To bad it's not reality and it's a movie, the guy got off on appeal because Superman wasn't there to testify. In the comics Lex gets out of anything and everything. We'll see if there is a Lexcorp or not, but it won't hinge on you saying it's "impossible" or me saying it's "probable."
And THAT's exactly the problem of Singer's Superman-world. Singer tried to make a realistic/serious take but totally contradicted it by making weird fantasy things in it without ANY explanation. --> There may is a justice system but they can't lock up the biggest threat of the world!? And the press doesn't even care that he's out of jail, they keep ignoring him even after Supes returns although Lex is his biggest (and so far sole) enemy!? And then he suddenly can build a giant island or continent on earth to kill billions of people (but in the end without much consequences to mankind anyway)!? And now he's supposed to go on to be the big man in the sequel, without consequences for his latest scheme, AGAIN???
--> It doesn't work that way! You can't market a movie as realistic and then suddenly change what ever you like to show something "interesting" or "big" or whatever the stupid crystals were supposed to be. It's a big part of why the movie failed. BB can be taken as real, Spider-Man is real to some extend, the rest is shown with a wink but people accept the fantasy elements.
SR is just overly serious but blatantly mixes Sci-Fi (aliens) with Fantasy (magic crystals) without any explanation and therefore inevitably falls into this campy feeling the old movies have the second Luthor announces his crazy plan to take over the world.

The thing is, if you bring in unrealistic crap and don't explain it properly (like the Spidey movies do) you create huge plotholes. And if anything can happen, it's not interesting to watch, 'cause it all could be negated by something or someone's actions afterwards. Like in the sequel you could make Mxy pop up, *snap's his fingers*, no more earth and then roll the credits. It's not so much Singer's but Donner's fault resp. the writers of the 60s who made up so much crap. It may work in the comics, but you have to have some realistic boundaries in a live action movie, otherwise it'll look cheesy, (too) unrealistic or plain dumb when you think about it for a second. That's a problem the new F4 movie (with SS & Galactus) and the Transformers have to dodge in order to be accepted by a wide range of viewers.

An another thing: The time of weird crazy scientists is over. It was stated plain and simple in the "Look up in the Sky" doc. The threats of today are corporations and how they use their scientists to build something dangerous. Not one single guy with a plan and some cons.

[Showtime]

Wow I touched a nerve. Did you guys break your keyboards?

It is obvious that Lex will be back, and I am sure he won't be going to prison. I can understand there are many plotholes in that story arc, but it is what it is. He's either going to continue being the "Greatest Criminal Mind of Our Time" and live in the sewers under the city or maybe on a desert island; or he might be building up Lexcorp or running for office. Whatever it is it's still a movie.

Maybe he will escape prison in a hot air balloon with the help of "that little black box". No matter what, the character of Lex will live on.

[VenomsMom]

Wow I touched a nerve. Did you guys break your keyboards?

It is obvious that Lex will be back, and I am sure he won't be going to prison. I can understand there are many plotholes in that story arc, but it is what it is. He's either going to continue being the "Greatest Criminal Mind of Our Time" and live in the sewers under the city or maybe on a desert island; or he might be building up Lexcorp or running for office. Whatever it is it's still a movie.

Maybe he will escape prison in a hot air balloon with the help of "that little black box". No matter what, the character of Lex will live on.
That was just a little sarcasm there, but actually I agree with you, Lex will be back and he is highly pissed off at being foiled again. His entire focus will be on Superman and finally "ERADICATING" him sort of speak. And I dont think Singer is going to use Lexcorp unfortunately to do it. Whatever alien being comes to earth Lex will be heavily involved in that and not running some made up company its clear he didnt have. Its too late for Lexcorp, get over it.

[Showtime]

That was just a little sarcasm there, but actually I agree with you, Lex will be back and he is highly pissed off at being foiled again. His entire focus will be on Superman and finally "ERADICATING" him sort of speak. And I dont think Singer is going to use Lexcorp unfortunately to do it. Whatever alien being comes to earth Lex will be heavily involved in that and not running some made up company its clear he didnt have. Its too late for Lexcorp, get over it.

I have nothing to get over, I could care less if there was Lexcorp or not, my point is it could still happen whether you like it or not. Some will be disappointed, but Lex becomes a sideshow if there is another villian like Brainiac anyway. I would rather have him incorporate another Lex arc from the comics, but if he doesn't, then I won't lose sleep over it.

[VenomsMom]

I have nothing to get over, I could care less if there was Lexcorp or not, my point is it could still happen whether you like it or not. Some will be disappointed, but Lex becomes a sideshow if there is another villian like Brainiac anyway. I would rather have him incorporate another Lex arc from the comics, but if he doesn't, then I won't lose sleep over it.
I wasnt telling you in particular to get over it, that was just a blatant statement in regard to this thread. I wanted Lexcorp from the start but we didnt get it so what now. The alien being will be the major focus in the movie. Who ever that might be? Im sensing Superman II again where Lex plays second fiddle to this new villain some how gtting involved for his own personal gain, that is all.:yay:

[Showtime]

I wasnt telling you in particular to get over it, that was just a blatant statement in regard to this thread. I wanted Lexcorp from the start but we didnt get it so what now. The alien being will be the major focus in the movie. Who ever that might be? Im sensing Superman II again where Lex plays second fiddle to this new villain some how gtting involved for his own personal gain, that is all.:yay:

I got you. I apologize. My face is red.

http://www.martyz.com/images/owooga.jpg

[VenomsMom]

I got you. I apologize. My face is red.

http://www.martyz.com/images/owooga.jpg
Jesus Christ....One of those emoticons would have suffice.:woot:

[Showtime]

Jesus Christ....One of those emoticons would have suffice.:woot:

They are special Showtime Emoticons. You can use them.

[TheComicbookKid]

But that doesn't make it the best way. Do you want to see King Tut in a Batman movie? Sure, he has been in Batman cannon, he can be interpreted as a Batman villian, but that doesn't make him one of quality. Lex's campy persona is not one of quality. Corporate Lex is. Just because it has been done, doesn't make it good.



No it wasn't. X2 was nothing like God Loves, Man Kills. It is like Singer looked through a list of X-Men villians on Wikipedia, closed his eyes, pointed at one, and choose the name. The only similiarity is William Stryker's name. The character of Stryker isn't even the same. He is closer to John Wraith of the Ultimate series. To say X2 is based on God Loves, Man Kills is like saying X-Men is based on Moby Dick because it once featured a character named Ahab. Singer did no research, he picked a name.

You got me on X2. Never read it. Just know Stryker and Nightcrawler were important.

On the other hand, I would never have thought of putting a stupid character like Scarecrow in a movie but Nolan did it and in a damn good way.

Everyone enjoys the ALL Star Superman mad scientist Lex by Morrison. Should it simply be dismissed because of it not being the corporate Lex. Face it, if something is good it's good. Like trying a food you thought you won't like. You just didn't like Singer's Lex. That's cool.

[afan]

Yes, thats the fabulous justice system. Lex gets off the hook after nearly obliverating the west coast of the US because Superman didn't testify in court.


Arrrgh vague history strikes again!

Can someone please explain this.
At the end of STM Lex Luthor is in prison, he's not awaiting trial, he's doing time! One must assume he has been tried, with if called cross examined testimony from Superman, before a jury of his peers, and convicted, case closed. He then escapes from prison! So how in the name of great Caesar's Ghost, is he a free man in SR.

Now to the topic at hand, interestingly a vast network of financial concerns masterminded by Lex Luthor was in place in STM. Though not presented in detail ad nauseam or given a name, it is stated that some nut,(Luthor) thru various and multiple channels is buying up countless acres of worthless desert land. This endeavor alone would necessitate an intricate and all encompassing network of agents, lawyers, and representatives of an organization that puts Lex Luthor in STM on a level at least on a par with any stratospherically successful CEO.

[VenomsMom]

Arrrgh vague history strikes again!

Can someone please explain this.
At the end of STM Lex Luthor is in prison, he's not awaiting trial, he's doing time! One must assume he has been tried, with if called cross examined testimony from Superman, before a jury of his peers, and convicted, case closed. He then escapes from prison! So how in the name of great Caesar's Ghost, is he a free man in SR.

Now to the topic at hand, interestingly a vast network of financial concerns masterminded by Lex Luthor was in place in STM. Though not presented in detail ad nauseam or given a name, it is stated that some nut,(Luthor) thru various and multiple channels is buying up countless acres of worthless desert land. This endeavor alone would necessitate an intricate and all encompassing network of agents, lawyers, and representatives of an organization that puts Lex Luthor in STM on a level at least on a par with any stratospherically successful CEO.
Well... after near total confusion with all this, I thought they ignored him breaking out in II. Or maybe they didnt? At some point they said he went to the fortress of solitude so when did that happen and since they ignored Zod and friends what reason did he go up there for. Why didnt he steal the crystal then? Why is he just realizing the powers they possesed. Why would Superman leave these crystal in a vulnerable position? Didnt he realize the power they posessed? I thought it was understood in SR that he was in prison for 5 years and got off for an appeal or something because Superman didnt show up. Why is Lex being the genius he is waiting patiently for an appeal. He couldnt figure out how to beat the system sooner? Who was tending to this business while in jail? Will we get answers? Or lets just move on and pretend like the First Donner film never happened.

[Dope Nose]

I thought it was understood in SR that he was in prison for 5 years and got off for an appeal or something because Superman didnt show up. Why is Lex being the genius he is waiting patiently for an appeal. He couldnt figure out how to beat the system sooner? Who was tending to this business while in jail? Will we get answers? Or lets just move on and pretend like the First Donner film never happened.

http://img453.imageshack.us/img453/5378/supermanreturnsprequel3jc0.jpg

[Dope Nose]

So, everyone is just supposed to take Lex's word over Superman?! And let me ask you a question, just how did Lex get that technology? Oh yea, he STOLE it.

:confused: I'm not sure you understood my post. I was suggesting that Lex deny any responsibility/involvement in the creation of the new landmass.

[VenomsMom]

http://img453.imageshack.us/img453/5378/supermanreturnsprequel3jc0.jpg
People should run out and buy this in order to get an explanation of this and other questions regarding plot devices that should have been clarified or at least mentioned in the movie? Why?

[Matt]

the fact is it is lazy to include important plot points in a companion comic book. And just for the record, if Lex getting off on an appeal because Superman failed to testify is ridiculous. Appeals are not questions of fact, they are questions of procedure. Superman's documented original statements would be enough for an appeal court, he wouldn't have to be present..

[Showtime]

Seems as if Lex is the real Man of Steel.

[VenomsMom]

Arrrgh vague history strikes again!

Can someone please explain this.
At the end of STM Lex Luthor is in prison, he's not awaiting trial, he's doing time! One must assume he has been tried, with if called cross examined testimony from Superman, before a jury of his peers, and convicted, case closed. He then escapes from prison! So how in the name of great Caesar's Ghost, is he a free man in SR.

Now to the topic at hand, interestingly a vast network of financial concerns masterminded by Lex Luthor was in place in STM. Though not presented in detail ad nauseam or given a name, it is stated that some nut,(Luthor) thru various and multiple channels is buying up countless acres of worthless desert land. This endeavor alone would necessitate an intricate and all encompassing network of agents, lawyers, and representatives of an organization that puts Lex Luthor in STM on a level at least on a par with any stratospherically successful CEO.
And further more, since his plan to knock Cali into the {Pacific didnt work} he still owned all of this worthless land that he bought. I would say he lost out on that deal with all that money he put into this so called company. He has nothing but the money old sugar momma left him.

[VenomsMom]

You would think when some idiot buys all that worthless land and all of a sudden someone hijacks a couple of missiles, they could put 2+2 TOGETHER.
But no, apparently they needed the testimony of a superhero who missed his court date.

[afan]

And further more, since his plan to knock Cali into the {Pacific didnt work} he still owned all of this worthless land that he bought. I would say he lost out on that deal with all that money he put into this so called company. He has nothing but the money old sugar momma left him.

Only because of Superman, barring his inteference it really was an ingeniously heartless plan on the grandest of scales.

No doubt he must have lost a considerable amount of money, but he did purchase the land at "bargain basement prices", and the vast network he must have in place to carry out his plan speaks to greater ownings and personal wealth than just the amount needed to purchase the land itself. All those people he had scurrying about the west coast buying the land recieved wages I suspect, and his network had to be incredibly complex and vast as it spanned numerous states.

[FlawlessVictory]

:confused: I'm not sure you understood my post. I was suggesting that Lex deny any responsibility/involvement in the creation of the new landmass.

Doh! I misread your post. I apologize.

[FlawlessVictory]

People should run out and buy this in order to get an explanation of this and other questions regarding plot devices that should have been clarified or at least mentioned in the movie? Why?

Unfortunately, it does take reading those prequel comics to get a better understanding of the gap between S:TM and SR and to see how virtually all of S2 is discounted from this continuity.

And I agree with Matt, it is lazy writing to include important plot points in a companion comic book.

[Retroman]

After the way SR ended i'm not really expecting Lexcorp to emerge in the sequel. But if they can find a way to do it. I'm all for it.
No it wasn't. X2 was nothing like God Loves, Man Kills. It is like Singer looked through a list of X-Men villians on Wikipedia, closed his eyes, pointed at one, and choose the name. The only similiarity is William Stryker's name. The character of Stryker isn't even the same. He is closer to John Wraith of the Ultimate series. To say X2 is based on God Loves, Man Kills is like saying X-Men is based on Moby Dick because it once featured a character named Ahab. Singer did no research, he picked a name.

He did do research;Wolverine, Phoenix, Deathstrike, Nightcrawler etc..

[VenomsMom]

Certainly they have the power of the pen and they can write it how they want, but I see no reason to try and include Lexcorp now. It seems to me that Singer was going another route and was really getting away from what ever Business Lex did. This all should have already been established in the five years that Superman was gone with Lex portraying all the qualities that I explained earlier in one of these threads. Singer missed the boat on this. Now after five years it seems as if his character has the same personalities and traits he had. He has swindled an old lady,surrounded himself with goons who are probably ex convicts who served with him, and another dingy female sidekick. The next movie will focus more on this alien being and his story, more links to Krypton, the Supes,Lois and Richard triangle, Jason and his powers, and Lex's possible invovement in this, and the possibilty of NK island returning. Dont try to fix his mistake of leaving Lexcorp out now. Lex is a con man with above average intelligence.

[afan]

Lex is a con man with above average intelligence.

Which he was not in STM. By the way I would add gigalo to your description.

[VenomsMom]

Lex being able to con the United States military on a mission to transport top secret nukes along with a moron in Otis and a slut in Ms Testmacher and was able to some how pull it off. He was smart enough to exact the coordinates of the missiles and guide them from his sewer secret lair. He was also able to figure out Superman's weakness and encase it in lead. Con man with above average intellignce. And yes apparently we can add gigolo to that.

[Paste Pot Pete]

He did do research;Wolverine, Phoenix, Deathstrike, Nightcrawler etc..

Anyone who says otherwise is looking at his X-Men movies with an embittered SR filter.

SR was based on the precedent of the Donner films (whether or not it should've been exclusively is questionable), but since the comics (and yeah, animated series) were the only precendent for X-Men, it's kinda obvious that he read some.

You don't pull those characters and themes out of thin air. Somehow he emerged with a pitch-perfect understanding of Magneto, Xavier, Wolverine, Jean, Rogue...the list goes on and on, topped most importantly by what Stan Lee was writing about in the first place.

Not to mention he had the balls to undetake a massive storyline like Phoenix...only to have it mutilated by Fox and Ratner.

[Matt]

He did do research;Wolverine, Phoenix, Deathstrike, Nightcrawler etc..

Umm, have you read God Loves, Man Kills? Deathstrike and Phoenix weren't in it (in fact, its been awhile since I've read it...but I believe Jean all together was absent...and if she wasn't, she was Marvel Girl). Wolverine was a background character, nor do I remember Nightcrawler being that prominent outside of the symbolism...if I remember correctly, Kitty was the main character.

[Showtime]

I don't think Retro meant that he did research using God Love, Man Kills, I believe he meant research in general.

[Matt]

I don't think Retro meant that he did research using God Love, Man Kills, I believe he meant research in general.

I see. My mistake.

[Showtime]

I see. My mistake.

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Don't let it happen again, you'll ruin "The Summer of George II"

[Robin91939]

Arrrgh vague history strikes again!

Can someone please explain this.
At the end of STM Lex Luthor is in prison, he's not awaiting trial, he's doing time! One must assume he has been tried, with if called cross examined testimony from Superman, before a jury of his peers, and convicted, case closed. He then escapes from prison! So how in the name of great Caesar's Ghost, is he a free man in SR.

Now to the topic at hand, interestingly a vast network of financial concerns masterminded by Lex Luthor was in place in STM. Though not presented in detail ad nauseam or given a name, it is stated that some nut,(Luthor) thru various and multiple channels is buying up countless acres of worthless desert land. This endeavor alone would necessitate an intricate and all encompassing network of agents, lawyers, and representatives of an organization that puts Lex Luthor in STM on a level at least on a par with any stratospherically successful CEO.

No. If you remember, Superman simply delivered Lex Luthor and Ottis to the Warden of the Prison. Then, he said "Goodnight" and flew away for his final flight into space before the credits. He would still need to be tried for his actions and attacks on Hackensack, NJ, and California.

-R

[Matt]

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Don't let it happen again, you'll ruin "The Summer of George II"

I'm killing independant George!

[afan]

No. If you remember, Superman simply delivered Lex Luthor and Ottis to the Warden of the Prison. Then, he said "Goodnight" and flew away for his final flight into space before the credits. He would still need to be tried for his actions and attacks on Hackensack, NJ, and California.

-R

Could be, it's vague enough in details to allow divergent opinions. Mine is that they are being delivered to prison by Superman to begin serving time not to await a trial date.

[superbaby]

btw, wasn't lex luthor a notorious criminal in STM? that's why he hide himself underground? that's why superman could simply drop him back into the prison and the warden knew about lex luthor?

so how could lex luthor out of jail because superman didn't attend the court???

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ya, lazy and stupid brains i guess. :P

[VenomsMom]

Yes...he was and the police was trying to bust him the movie bu didnt know where he hid. Anyways, like I said before, The US military should have linked Lex with the hijacked missiles when they changed the coordinates. lex also bought all that worthless desert land. Lex has made everyone out to be morons. The prosecutors,military, and police. And he will do it again in the sequel.

[Showtime]

I think the police, military, and prosecutors were morons in the late 70's. Now they are much more adequate.

[VenomsMom]

I think the police, military, and prosecutors were morons in the late 70's. Now they are much more adequate.
Yeah...but we are talking about the continuity in this Singer universe. Its only been five years ago. So it looks like they are still morons. The military and government was no where to be found or even implied that they knew there was a gigantic land mass growing off the eastern seaboard.

[Showtime]

Yeah...but we are talking about the continuity in this Singer universe. Its only been five years ago. So it looks like they are still morons. The military and government was no where to be found or even implied that they knew there was a gigantic land mass growing off the eastern seaboard.

I think some of those workers on the dock were undercover. They were staring at NK floating in the sky as if they had a plan. :dry:

[Venom'sDad]

:whatever: I think you're right.... I see Zod, Doomsday, Darseid, Parasite, Metallo, Mercy, Gorilla Grodd, and Eradicator all undercover observing how Lex Luthor is doing against Superman. Good eye Showtime. :up:


:D

[Matt]

I think the police, military, and prosecutors were morons in the late 70's. Now they are much more adequate.

O.J. Simpson walks despite DNA evidence, motive, and a flee from the police.

Robert Blake's alibi was "I went into the restraunt to get my gun". He walked.

Michael Jackson was caught with kiddie porn and he was acquitted.

....Is adequate really the right word? :cwink:

[Matt]

btw, wasn't lex luthor a notorious criminal in STM? that's why he hide himself underground? that's why superman could simply drop him back into the prison and the warden knew about lex luthor?

so how could lex luthor out of jail because superman didn't attend the court???

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ya, lazy and stupid brains i guess. :P


As I already pointed out...

Lex was clearly convicted of a crime as the prequel comic says he was released by an APPEAL. Apparently Singer does not know what an appeal is. Appeal courts would not need Superman's testimony as they are not trials of fact but trials of procedure. Superman's original statements to the police/testimony that convicted Lex would be more than enough.

[superbaby]

As I already pointed out...

Lex was clearly convicted of a crime as the prequel comic says he was released by an APPEAL. Apparently Singer does not know what an appeal is. Appeal courts would not need Superman's testimony as they are not trials of fact but trials of procedure. Superman's original statements to the police/testimony that convicted Lex would be more than enough.
you are more knowlegdeable than singer!

[Qwerty©]

Of course, no-one has ever left out tiny details for the sake of a story before. What was Singer thinking?

[Matt]

Of course, no-one has ever left out tiny details for the sake of a story before. What was Singer thinking?

I'd say the entire set up for the antagonist, which puts the plot in motion is a little bigger than tiny detail. It just goes to show what a lazy film maker Singer is. You can see it in The Usual Suspects, you can see it in the X-Men movies, and you can see it in Superman Returns.

[C. Lee]

I'd say the entire set up for the antagonist, which puts the plot in motion is a little bigger than tiny detail. It just goes to show what a lazy film maker Singer is. You can see it in The Usual Suspects, you can see it in the X-Men movies, and you can see it in Superman Returns.

It's been a while since I saw "The Usual Suspects", less so for the X-Men movies, but I don't rememer as much crucial info left out of them as was done in SR....so I can't call him an overall lazy film maker.

[Matt]

It's been a while since I saw "The Usual Suspects", less so for the X-Men movies, but I don't rememer as much crucial info left out of them as was done in SR....so I can't call him an overall lazy film maker.

What I find lazy about the Usual Suspects is the way the "twist" negates the rest of the movie simply for the sake of having a twist. As for X-Men, there are a few pretty big plot holes. X-1 for example...Apparently Xavier cannot read Magneto's head to locate his headquarters, yet he possessed both Sabertooth and Toad, why not just get the information then? Little things like that.

[Showtime]

In regards to the X-Men Franchise, no little thing that Singer did in the first two movies even comes close to Ratner's plot crater in the 3rd X-Men.

I didn't think the twist in Usual Suspects worked out only for the sake of having a twist, but alas, I don't really like the movie as much as others.

[Matt]

In regards to the X-Men Franchise, no little thing that Singer did in the first two movies even comes close to Ratner's plot crater in the 3rd X-Men.

Agreed. But that does not excuse or justify Singer's inadequacies.


I didn't think the twist in Usual Suspects worked out only for the sake of having a twist, but alas, I don't really like the movie as much as others.

Sure it did. The whole plot falls apart because the motivations make no sense. The entire elaborate plot the villian set up which makes up the movie, is made pointless by the twist ending. Therefore there was really no point to watching the entire plot of the movie.

[C. Lee]

What I find lazy about the Usual Suspects is the way the "twist" negates the rest of the movie simply for the sake of having a twist. As for X-Men, there are a few pretty big plot holes. X-1 for example...Apparently Xavier cannot read Magneto's head to locate his headquarters, yet he possessed both Sabertooth and Toad, why not just get the information then? Little things like that.

The twist may negate much of what was shown in the movie...but it shows the genius of Spacey's character....it's one thing to say someone can think quick on his feet....it's another to show them doing it.

I will rewatch X-Men to check...but did Xavier actually know who Sabertooth and Toad were at that point and that they were working with Magneto?

[VenomsMom]

The twist may negate much of what was shown in the movie...but it shows the genius of Spacey's character....it's one thing to say someone can think quick on his feet....it's another to show them doing it.

I will rewatch X-Men to check...but did Xavier actually know who Sabertooth and Toad were at that point and that they were working with Magneto?
I think they figured that out when they had the first confrontation with Sabretooth's attack on Rogue and Wolverine. They knew who he worked for.

[C. Lee]

I think they figured that out when they had the first confrontation with Sabretooth's attack on Rogue and Wolverine. They knew who he worked for.

But....I don't remember if they said - "Hey, look...it's Sabertooth." or anything to that effect. Seeing him attack Wolverine...doesn't mean they knew who he was. Like I said..I'll try to rewatch it in a day or two just for my own info.

[Matt]

The twist may negate much of what was shown in the movie...but it shows the genius of Spacey's character....it's one thing to say someone can think quick on his feet....it's another to show them doing it.


Maybe, but that doesn't change the fact that it negates the entire movie which I think is lazy. I think finding a twist that fits with the plot instead of negating the plot with the twist simply for the sake of having a twist would be much better film making.


I will rewatch X-Men to check...but did Xavier actually know who Sabertooth and Toad were at that point and that they were working with Magneto?

Well, being as they were walking away with Magneto, carrying Rogue, I think it was a good bet they did.

[VenomsMom]

But....I don't remember if they said - "Hey, look...it's Sabertooth." or anything to that effect. Seeing him attack Wolverine...doesn't mean they knew who he was. Like I said..I'll try to rewatch it in a day or two just for my own info.
But if Im not mistaken, I thought they were competing to get to them first thinking that Magneto was trying to get to wolverine. They all originally thought that Magneto wanted Wolverine but it was Rogue he wanted all along.

[C. Lee]

That's why I said I need to rewatch it......

[Showtime]

Agreed. But that does not excuse or justify Singer's inadequacies.

In this case I am not using it to justify his inadequacies but to point out how much better he understood the world of X-Men when compared to Ratner. In regards to Superman, that's a cape of a different color. :cwink:


Sure it did. The whole plot falls apart because the motivations make no sense. The entire elaborate plot the villian set up which makes up the movie, is made pointless by the twist ending. Therefore there was really no point to watching the entire plot of the movie.

Tell that to M. Night...wait... The Lady in the Water already told him. :dry:

[Matt]

In this case I am not using it to justify his inadequacies but to point out how much better he understood the world of X-Men when compared to Ratner. In regards to Superman, that's a cape of a different color. :cwink:

To an extent. But Ratner also understood things about the X-Men that Singer could never dream of. Its funny, what Singer got right, Ratner totally dropped the ball on, and what Ratner got right, Singer didn't even touch.



Tell that to M. Night...wait... The Lady in the Water already told him. :dry:


Thing about M.Night is, while Lady in the Water was horrible....he also shows exactly what a twist should be in The Sixth Sense. It is shocking, you don't see it coming, there are hints, but they are subtle enough you only detect them on repeat viewings, and once you know the twist it fits in perfectly with the plot as opposed to the twist in The Usual Suspects which negated the entire plot.

[Showtime]

To an extent. But Ratner also understood things about the X-Men that Singer could never dream of. Its funny, what Singer got right, Ratner totally dropped the ball on, and what Ratner got right, Singer didn't even touch.

I would have to agree with that, I was definately entertained by Ratner's take until the plot hole monster started to bite during the crucial 3rd act.


Thing about M.Night is, while Lady in the Water was horrible....he also shows exactly what a twist should be in The Sixth Sense. It is shocking, you don't see it coming, there are hints, but they are subtle enough you only detect them on repeat viewings, and once you know the twist it fits in perfectly with the plot as opposed to the twist in The Usual Suspects which negated the entire plot.

I would have to agree with that, I really can't defend Usual Suspects because I don't really see what the big deal is anyway about the movie. I saw it, and never wanted to see it again.

In regards to M. Night, hopefully he can redeem himself with The Happening, his first R rated movie. It's going toe to toe with The Hulk.

[DarkMajin]

I woud rather like to see LexCorp be in the sequel...and see a real Lex Luthor rather than a weaksauce throwback to the Donner Luthor.
Only time his character really showed anything was when he stabbed Superman...and then...that was it from him for the rest of the film.

I personally thought TAS Luthor was spot on for how I see the definitive Luthor. An intelligent, powerful scientific businessman who is not obviously criminal. Someone Superman can't touch yet without discarding the ideals he protects.

SR's Luthor was nothing like this...and most likely he'll never become that in the Singerverse. He'll most likely simply be the same snakeoil type salesmen guy who rides the coattails of the next villain.

Much like how Lex led Zod to Lois in Superman II...Lex will lead the next villain to Jason in SR2...and that'll probably be all his part is about.

[Spiderine]

I would love to see Lexcorp. My only question is how they would do it now.

[superbaby]

I would love to see Lexcorp. My only question is how they would do it now.
if they really want to do a Lexcorp, the best thing to do is never try to explain it. the more you say, the more wrong you are.

[Spiderine]

if they really want to do a Lexcorp, the best thing to do is never try to explain it. the more you say, the more wrong you are.
Singer has done enough not to explain things and look where it got him.

[Qwerty©]

Singer has done enough not to explain things and look where it got him.
Yep, the nitpicky fans are whining on message boards :D He must be horrified :rolleyes:

[GreenKToo]

I dont think it would be much of a stretch at all to show Lex-corp in the sequel, I mean Lex did get a load of money in S.R., so he could use that to start it. The question is, will singer want to show it.

[VenomsMom]

From con man criminal to straight laced well respected business man.

Well...it worked for George Bush.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

I'm not saying you have to follow my format exactly but... For example only: I outlined a plot idea of John Corben being an ex military guy (with no legs wanting to walk again, and yes get involved in crime again-as I don't want a good guy turned bad Spidey type villain) with a suspect record being used by Lex, who has kryptonian technology gained from Brainiac and is using it to create Metallo. Thus a test case for the government for the kind of soldiers that would aid in "protection" of our national security that gets funded by the US military when in reality, Lex is going to manipulate Corben (Metallo) for the purpose of killing Superman. For Brainiac, he just sees it as Kal-el's first "test" of strength. Another test for example could see how he deals with the death of a loved one such as his only son Jason. Anyways, from this funding and Lex's involvement with Star Labs we now have Lexcorp established.
Again that is just my outline trying to tie in a lot of different ends.
Yeah yeah, we also have his inheritance from the first film if you want to use that as a startup for Lexcorp. I just wanted him to have a more split public where he's using the status of Superman as an icon or God among men, in a negative light even blaming NK on him. Some people think Lex could be on to something and support him, while others know the MOS is virtuous.
Bottom line, the word has got out that fans want Brainiac and would be even more pleased if Metallo is also in the film. I think we all got the word out on that and as a result they are listening.
We have mostly all agreed or at the least have not opposed Lexcorp being established and Lex being a more business criminal tycoon (last word I heard is Lex may be a political figure instead for MOS.. eh).
So if you want it to happen, get the word out! Start emailing news sites like IGN, IESB, SHH, etc... If you have contact addresses/emails for anyone regarding SR production get out the word...
"We want Lexcorp for the sequel!"
*crickets churping amongst deaf ears*
**JcDc runs out of thread!**

I would LOVE to see an interviewer just once ask Mike, Dan, or Singer himself a question like "So... Any possibility of Lex establishing Lexcorp for the sequel?"

I always feel interviewers miss the boat by ignoring that question. I'm not the only one that wants Lexcorp to happen.

[Nokio]

I like Lex, and I like Spacy's Lex, but he doesn't have to be in the next film. It's time to move on with these ongoing villians. I know Lex has been an integrel part of superman, but in the comics Lex isn't there for every issue. So he's not needed in every film. Also using an actor like Spacy for every flick is going to drive up production costs.

Singer had a chance to make Lex shine and he didn't. God please let this man be taken off Superman.

[Mister J]

Lex doesn't have to (and shouldn't) dominate the film as a primary villain to be included in the sequel. He doesn't even need to drive the central conflict, but his presence should be there. I'd love to see LexCorp happen. He's got all of Old Lady Vanderworth's money and could be trying to rehabilitate his image; playing up the public facade, while still engaged in some shady dealings and plotting against Supes. Definitely relegate him to the background, but I like the continuity of him wanting to rid 'his city' of Superman.

[wellsy]

Lex being in the film isn't a necessity.

Having a building with LexCorp plastered all over it is.

Thats what I'd like to see.

[Angeloz]

If they don't do LexCorp I won't miss it at all.

Angeloz

[Thespiralgoeson]

Lex doesn't have to (and shouldn't) dominate the film as a primary villain to be included in the sequel. He doesn't even need to drive the central conflict, but his presence should be there. I'd love to see LexCorp happen. He's got all of Old Lady Vanderworth's money and could be trying to rehabilitate his image; playing up the public facade, while still engaged in some shady dealings and plotting against Supes. Definitely relegate him to the background, but I like the continuity of him wanting to rid 'his city' of Superman.

I totally agree. I personally like the idea of Lex founding LexCorp, and having massive PR campaign to change his image. I think that could be a potentially engaging (and quite amusing) subplot, so long as it doesn't distract from the central story (which I think should definitely be Supes vs. Brainiac.)

[DangerousInc.]

I hated Spaceys Lex but Id like to see Lex and LexCorp although it would be better rebooted!

[X-Rated]

Id like to see Lex and LexCorp although it would be better rebooted!

Agree

[LexLuthor]

I could see the 2nd movie starting out 2 - 3 years later with Lex sort of hiding out in foreign nations and forming relationships with heads of states by providing weapons, technology, etc, and selling weapons to some terrorist groups (think Nicolas Cage's character in God of War) and becoming part of an "illuminati" type network (think Arvin Sloane of Alias TV series (who portrayed a modern day Lex Luthor)). He is betrayed by the whole network which causes him to turn to the US government for a deal, and is portrayed as a hero of sorts. His response..."I did all the things I did for my country." "I was one of the only people who could truly infiltrate these organizations and take them down, unfortunately due to wrong path I took at a younger age." "But this just goes to show you that things happen for a reason...for a greater good." This would be the perfect set up for his political career. However, the technology he was selling had a very concealed Trojan Horse type virus which feeds all the major players information into the Brain InterActive Construct which Luthor came to know about during his visit to The Fortress of Solitude. LexCorp is established on the basis of the technology shared by Brainiac. Of course we know that Brainiac is into world domination/destruction. Luthor knows this and plays it to his advantage knowing what major move Brainiac is going to take. Of course once Brainiac takes that big step, Superman will be there to stop him and Luthor will already have a plan in play to assist. Both will be seen as heroes. But, Lex will play on the fact that Brainiac is a device from Krypton, "and if Superman wasn't here, we wouldn't have had so many deaths and world crisis issues." There will be a split in the US...some will believe and support Superman. Some will become weary, and go with Lex Luthor's accusations (recall the last episode of Superman TAS and how the world was torn when he was brain washed by Darkseid. And, recall how our country was almost half and half regarding the Bush & Gore runoff).

Ok, that was all from the top of my head at the moment. But, I could see it working, if executed right. Or, some underlining theme from what I typed above. Just my thoughts. :cwink:

[Steelsheen]

I would LOVE to see an interviewer just once ask Mike, Dan, or Singer himself a question like "So... Any possibility of Lex establishing Lexcorp for the sequel?"

I always feel interviewers miss the boat by ignoring that question. I'm not the only one that wants Lexcorp to happen.
i think they've tried asking these in interviews but the terrible trio doesnt answer it.

[M.O.Steel]

LEXCORP needs to be established, and use technology supplied by BRAINIAC, to "protect" metropolis (giving rise to Metallo in the sequel), and then once that plans fails, Brainiac comes down in person and takes care of business.

(For the trilogy) They could somehow still make brainiac responsible for the destruction of krypton, making a connection with superman. It can also be a invasion of earth by his forces (and if they want to use this angle, the could have lex redeem himself but fighting back with whatever he has)

(I'm picturing a character that's sort of a combo of darkseid and braniac)

[\S/JcDc\S/]

i think they've tried asking these in interviews but the terrible trio doesnt answer it.

Really?

I can't remember an interviewer asking that. I hope as we get closer to the sequel pre production some interviewer(s) start pressing that question a bit. I doubt it. Would be cool though.

[fabman]

C'mon. I want Lexcorp, and they should def show more Clark Kent. That's an element that I REALLY missed in Singer's SR.

[dpm07]

Really?

I can't remember an interviewer asking that. I hope as we get closer to the sequel pre production some interviewer(s) start pressing that question a bit. I doubt it. Would be cool though.

It's probably edited out. That, or reporters are briefed ahead of time to not ask certain questions. If certain questions are asked, that can prevent a reporter from getting another interview down the line.

[Steelsheen]

Really?

I can't remember an interviewer asking that. I hope as we get closer to the sequel pre production some interviewer(s) start pressing that question a bit. I doubt it. Would be cool though.

i remember reading in these boards that the reporter/ fan tried to ask the questions but the trio pretended not to hear it.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

i remember reading in these boards that the reporter/ fan tried to ask the questions but the trio pretended not to hear it.

Hmm... That is bizarre. People want Lexcorp!

[The Kid]

No lexcop. Just Lex-estate agency please.

[chief103182]

I have a feeling Lex might not have time to establish Lexcorp. Just a thought, but won't he be arrested the second he's found?

[Showtime]

It's probably edited out. That, or reporters are briefed ahead of time to not ask certain questions. If certain questions are asked, that can prevent a reporter from getting another interview down the line.

Unfortunately that is the case in alot of situations.

[rdh007]

I want a politically ambitious Lex either in this one or the next.

[Iron Fist]

I don't think we'll see LEXCORP in the sequel, maybe in the third film.

[The Overlord]

No lexcop. Just Lex-estate agency please.

Why?

[Showtime]

I want Lex to lay the foundations for Lexcorp of possible.

[The Kid]

Why?

Cuz selling land's all the movie audience really knows of lex! wooo hooo haaa ha haahhaahahahha my reasoning is screwy aint it. :hyper:

[Angeloz]

I take it the people wanting Lexcorp want Lex? 'Cos I thought people didn't want him or have less of him in a film if needs be. So how is having a whole lot of scenes establishing that he has Lexcorp going to mean no Lex or less Lex? Just a thought.

Angeloz

[buggs0268]

Here is why it won't work in the current storyline. Lex hijacked two nuclear missles. One he sent to hackensack New Jersey. The other California. It causerd an earthquake. Billions of dollars in damage. Lives lost. Even if he was let out because Superman didnt show up to his appeals case, he would still be "that guy who tried to sink the west coast.

Then he tries to sink the whole continent and a huge chunk of the rest of the planet. He tells his plan to a reporter, who lives and told the rest of the world. Causes billions of dollars in damage to metropolis.

As soon as he shows up, his bank accounts will be seized so he will not have access to that money.

[Angeloz]

Which will mean he's a criminal and a known one if not caught. I'll admit I like that for the films. 'Cos I don't want Green Goblin 2 or "Wall Street" (though I haven't seen it except a small bit) speaking for myself.

Angeloz

[\S/JcDc\S/]

From con man criminal to straight laced well respected business man.

Well...it worked for George Bush.

George Bush respected ? :eek:

[\S/JcDc\S/]

I know he didn't get caught, but it's kind of aggrevating that he gets away with all of this free and easy. I wonder what they will do?

First he has to get off the island. Lex is currently with Sawyer, Kate, and Jack. He'll be fighting John for control of the island ;)

[Mostpowerful]

I don't care either way.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

So you wouldn't imply that the characterization of Lex was off in SR by now making him corporate tycoon?

[RobinWB]

LexCorp doesn't work in Singerworld. (At least not with the setup we have now.)Whos Gives a damn about Singerworld ! the Jackass Needs to Be canned and FAST!!!:cmad:

[I SEE SPIDEY]

^Sometimes I feel like saying that but I would cut out the personal insults and only call him a "light hack". A light hack means that he isn't the worse and is capable of a decent movie but he most of the time is underwhelming to me as a filmmaker.

I must say that I personally don't want to see LexCorp in his movies because he will ruin it like he did everything else.

[I Am The Knight]

You think Singer is a "light hack" ? LOL...

[Showtime]

Whos Gives a damn about Singerworld ! the Jackass Needs to Be canned and FAST!!!:cmad:

You're really pushing it for somebody that is supposed to be "new".

[I SEE SPIDEY]

You think Singer is a "light hack" ? LOL...Yes, it's a silly word I just made up. I think that he should stick to dramas.

It's obvious he doesn't care about the Superhero aspect of a Supehero movie...atleast thats my opinion. I also think that he has a terrible eye for action.

Again all of this is I SEE SPIDEY'S opinion, not trying to represent it as anyone elses.

[I Am The Knight]

Yes, it's a silly word I just made up. I think that he should stick to dramas.

It's obvious he doesn't care about the Superhero aspect of a Supehero movie...atleast thats my opinion. I also think that he has a terrible eye for action.

Again all of this is I SEE SPIDEY'S opinion, not trying to represent it as anyone elses.

Yes, it's a funny one. :woot:

Nevertheless, I reserve terms like that for the likes of Brett Ratner. But to each their own. :hehe:

[Showtime]

I think he cared about the movie, I just think he didn't care about the hardcore Superman fans and believed that this is what the GP wanted. He missed the boat and so did WB. I think if he had given a more comicbased adapdation he would have ended up pleasing both parties.

[Nixon]

How disappointed would I be without Lexcorp?

Not very. Lexcorp Lex is cool, but the other iterations of the character work for me too. Mad scientist, corporate head, or career criminal mastermind the key to Luthor, for me, is an unparalleled genius coupled with an irrepressable ego coupled with unmitigated gall. Those are the common traits that most every version of Lex has had.


If what I've heard about this sequel is actually true, while we're not getting Lexcorp we are getting the next best thing.

[AragornKing1]

How disappointed would I be without Lexcorp?

Not very. Lexcorp Lex is cool, but the other iterations of the character work for me too. Mad scientist, corporate head, or career criminal mastermind the key to Luthor, for me, is an unparalleled genius coupled with an irrepressable ego coupled with unmitigated gall. Those are the common traits that most every version of Lex has had.


If what I've heard about this sequel is actually true, while we're not getting Lexcorp we are getting the next best thing.

What have you heard on the sequel? Come on spill it, lol. :wow::woot:

[El Payaso]

Ok, I voted wrong.

I have no problems with Lex being a mischievous business man. The regular Lex of this franchise got well-worn. Lexcorp should appear.

[TruerToTheCore]

Absolutely not because Lexcorp is nothing essential for "Lex Luthor". They should show his genius, motivations and inventions. Never made sense to me that an arrogant prick like Luthor would hold back in the public (which he would be, as owner of LexCorp) so they think he is a nice guy. Lex Luthor sees normal humans as shaved apes.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

^But yet he surrounds himself with idiots???

[TruerToTheCore]

The real Lex Luthor, hero of the people of Lexor, worked most of his time alone and created cool things like the GALACTIC GOLEM!

[VenomsMom]

Hmmm.....I remember discussing this back in 2006 and 2007.....oh well....I will share my thoughts on the subject one more gan...................No to Lexcorp ever being started by the lowlife con artist scum who doesn't get an ounce of respect. He's a criminal, leave it that way in the Donner verse.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

What have you heard on the sequel? Come on spill it, lol. :wow::woot:
Probably referring to Lex in politics.

[AragornKing1]

Probably referring to Lex in politics.

So I guess he's hearing that Lex will get into politics in the sequel instead and become a politician? Hmmmm, interesting if true. :cwink:

[VenomsMom]

And he if he ever sets foot in a sequel to SR.....I hope he dies a slow painful and humiliating death at the hands of this alien villain or Metallo or whoever. Good Riddons

[Nixon]

What have you heard on the sequel? Come on spill it, lol. :wow::woot:

Oh, well I'm not sure how accurate this is. It's sort of friend of a friend kind of stuff from a friend from my old animation/illustration school days that actually made it and has worked on some very cool, very big projects. I trust him, though who knows how accurate his information might be.

I don't know if this is true, if it's from an old rejected pitch or from a newer one. I don't know how to verify this, or if you even could. I took this with a grain of salt and I'd recommend you do too.

We were talking about comics and the Dark Knight and he mentioned that there were some details floating around about the next Superman movie. They are as follows:

1) He told me that there was going to be a big alien alien machine (we both figured this to be Brainiac) that was going to come to Earth after the events of the first movie looking for Kryptonian technology or Kryptonians.

2) That "Brainiac" was going to come after Superman and Jason and that Lois and Jason would be put in danger again. I don't know if anybody dies or, specifically, if Jason or Richard are killed. He didn't mention Richard at all though so maybe he's gone?

3) He also said that Lex was going to be in it too, that he was going to get a get out of jail free card for helping to save the world from Brainiac.

4) There'd also be a sequence in space (RTK?) and a big battle in the city between Superman and a bunch of alien robots.

So yeah, that's what I've heard. Again, how true it is, I've no idea. Has anybody else heard anything along these lines? Anything similar?

[AragornKing1]

Oh, well I'm not sure how accurate this is. It's sort of friend of a friend kind of stuff from a friend from my old animation/illustration school days that actually made it and has worked on some very cool, very big projects. I trust him, though who knows how accurate his information might be.

I don't know if this is true, if it's from an old rejected pitch or from a newer one. I don't know how to verify this, or if you even could. I took this with a grain of salt and I'd recommend you do too.

We were talking about comics and the Dark Knight and he mentioned that there were some details floating around about the next Superman movie. They are as follows:

1) He told me that there was going to be a big alien alien machine (we both figured this to be Brainiac) that was going to come to Earth after the events of the first movie looking for Kryptonian technology or Kryptonians.

2) That "Brainiac" was going to come after Superman and Jason and that Lois and Jason would be put in danger again. I don't know if anybody dies or, specifically, if Jason or Richard are killed. He didn't mention Richard at all though so maybe he's gone?

3) He also said that Lex was going to be in it too, that he was going to get a get out of jail free card for helping to save the world from Brainiac.

4) There'd also be a sequence in space (RTK?) and a big battle in the city between Superman and a bunch of alien robots.

So yeah, that's what I've heard. Again, how true it is, I've no idea. Has anybody else heard anything along these lines? Anything similar?

HOLY ****!! That sounds freakin awesome!! :wow::woot: I hope it's true. I wonder if FilmNerdJamie has heard the same thing. Have you heard anything on any other villain being in it, or just Brainiac and Lex?

[AragornKing1]

Oh, well I'm not sure how accurate this is. It's sort of friend of a friend kind of stuff from a friend from my old animation/illustration school days that actually made it and has worked on some very cool, very big projects. I trust him, though who knows how accurate his information might be.

I don't know if this is true, if it's from an old rejected pitch or from a newer one. I don't know how to verify this, or if you even could. I took this with a grain of salt and I'd recommend you do too.

We were talking about comics and the Dark Knight and he mentioned that there were some details floating around about the next Superman movie. They are as follows:

1) He told me that there was going to be a big alien alien machine (we both figured this to be Brainiac) that was going to come to Earth after the events of the first movie looking for Kryptonian technology or Kryptonians.

2) That "Brainiac" was going to come after Superman and Jason and that Lois and Jason would be put in danger again. I don't know if anybody dies or, specifically, if Jason or Richard are killed. He didn't mention Richard at all though so maybe he's gone?

3) He also said that Lex was going to be in it too, that he was going to get a get out of jail free card for helping to save the world from Brainiac.

4) There'd also be a sequence in space (RTK?) and a big battle in the city between Superman and a bunch of alien robots.

So yeah, that's what I've heard. Again, how true it is, I've no idea. Has anybody else heard anything along these lines? Anything similar?

Brainiac creates these robots I take it. :cwink:

[I Am The Knight]

Oh, well I'm not sure how accurate this is. It's sort of friend of a friend kind of stuff from a friend from my old animation/illustration school days that actually made it and has worked on some very cool, very big projects. I trust him, though who knows how accurate his information might be.

I don't know if this is true, if it's from an old rejected pitch or from a newer one. I don't know how to verify this, or if you even could. I took this with a grain of salt and I'd recommend you do too.

We were talking about comics and the Dark Knight and he mentioned that there were some details floating around about the next Superman movie. They are as follows:

1) He told me that there was going to be a big alien alien machine (we both figured this to be Brainiac) that was going to come to Earth after the events of the first movie looking for Kryptonian technology or Kryptonians.

2) That "Brainiac" was going to come after Superman and Jason and that Lois and Jason would be put in danger again. I don't know if anybody dies or, specifically, if Jason or Richard are killed. He didn't mention Richard at all though so maybe he's gone?

3) He also said that Lex was going to be in it too, that he was going to get a get out of jail free card for helping to save the world from Brainiac.

4) There'd also be a sequence in space (RTK?) and a big battle in the city between Superman and a bunch of alien robots.

So yeah, that's what I've heard. Again, how true it is, I've no idea. Has anybody else heard anything along these lines? Anything similar?

That's not too bad...But taking it with a grain of salt.

[Nixon]

That's everything that I've heard.

I agree that if it's true it does sound like the makings of a good Superman movie.

[Nixon]

That's not too bad...But taking it with a grain of salt.

Recommended.

For all I/we know, this might be from that pitch that was rejected or from nothing at all.

[AragornKing1]

I mean, with all these insiders hearing a sequel to Superman Returns is happening. I would be shocked IF they turn out to be wrong. But I don't think they are, but that's my opinion.

[AragornKing1]

That's everything that I've heard.

I agree that if it's true it does sound like the makings of a good Superman movie.


This is stuff that you heard recently from your friend, correct? :yay: Despite the fact if it's true or not.

[I Am The Knight]

Recommended.

For all I/we know, this might be from that pitch that was rejected or from nothing at all.

Right. Maybe someone In The Know can shed some light on this.

[Nixon]

This is stuff that you heard recently from your friend, correct? :yay: Despite the fact if it's true or not.


Yeah, and bearing in mind that I'm filling in some blanks here, I think that that's got the makings for a good Superman movie and a good follow-up to Superman Returns. We'll get action, we'll get a chance to furher the Jason storyline, and we'll even get some new doors opened for Lex.


Right. Maybe someone In The Know can shed some light on this.

One way or another, I hope so.

[AragornKing1]

Yeah, and bearing in mind that I'm filling in some blanks here, I think that that's got the makings for a good Superman movie and a good follow-up to Superman Returns. We'll get action, we'll get a chance to furher the Jason storyline, and we'll even get some new doors opened for Lex.




One way or another, I hope so.

Cool. It seems that every insider is hearing a sequel to Superman Returns and the only two insiders hearing a possible reboot is Steve and Jayne from SaveSuperman.com. Go figure. :cwink:

[AragornKing1]

Yeah, and bearing in mind that I'm filling in some blanks here, I think that that's got the makings for a good Superman movie and a good follow-up to Superman Returns. We'll get action, we'll get a chance to furher the Jason storyline, and we'll even get some new doors opened for Lex.




One way or another, I hope so.

Also, I asked Jett who he's heard the villains will be and he said Brainiac and Lex, so we'll see. :cwink:

[dark_b]

Oh, well I'm not sure how accurate this is. It's sort of friend of a friend kind of stuff from a friend from my old animation/illustration school days that actually made it and has worked on some very cool, very big projects. I trust him, though who knows how accurate his information might be.

I don't know if this is true, if it's from an old rejected pitch or from a newer one. I don't know how to verify this, or if you even could. I took this with a grain of salt and I'd recommend you do too.

We were talking about comics and the Dark Knight and he mentioned that there were some details floating around about the next Superman movie. They are as follows:

1) He told me that there was going to be a big alien alien machine (we both figured this to be Brainiac) that was going to come to Earth after the events of the first movie looking for Kryptonian technology or Kryptonians.

2) That "Brainiac" was going to come after Superman and Jason and that Lois and Jason would be put in danger again. I don't know if anybody dies or, specifically, if Jason or Richard are killed. He didn't mention Richard at all though so maybe he's gone?

3) He also said that Lex was going to be in it too, that he was going to get a get out of jail free card for helping to save the world from Brainiac.

4) There'd also be a sequence in space (RTK?) and a big battle in the city between Superman and a bunch of alien robots.

So yeah, that's what I've heard. Again, how true it is, I've no idea. Has anybody else heard anything along these lines? Anything similar?a disaster if this happens. i want to some dialoge between the fight. the main villain needs to fight superman. not some sidekicks.
i hope this doesnt happen.

i also dont like the part about lex and jail.

[AragornKing1]

Yeah, and bearing in mind that I'm filling in some blanks here, I think that that's got the makings for a good Superman movie and a good follow-up to Superman Returns. We'll get action, we'll get a chance to furher the Jason storyline, and we'll even get some new doors opened for Lex.




One way or another, I hope so.

Has your friend heard anything about any other villains or just Brainiac and Lex? :yay:

[AragornKing1]

a disaster if this happens. i want to some dialoge between the fight. the main villain needs to fight superman. not some sidekicks.
i hope this doesnt happen.

I'm sure he'll fight Brainiac after he's defeated his robot henchman. :cwink:

[dark_b]

I'm sure he'll fight Brainiac after he's defeated his robot henchman. :cwink:
he said machine. i think brainiac wouldnt even had a body.

[Nixon]

Has your friend heard anything about any other villains or just Brainiac and Lex? :yay:

Not that I know of. I've posted everything he's told me.

[AragornKing1]

he said machine. i think brainiac wouldnt even had a body.

Well, a robot is a machine. Remember The Terminator? :cwink:

[C. Lee]

^But yet he surrounds himself with idiots???

Nothing makes a guy feel more superior than having idiots fawning over his every move. Lex is not mentally stable. Sure....he's a genius....but he's also a sociopath, narcisistic, manic depressive, and who knows what else. Apparently he feels the need to appeare extremely superior to his underlings.

[El Payaso]

Nothing makes a guy feel more superior than having idiots fawning over his every move. Lex is not mentally stable. Sure....he's a genius....but he's also a sociopath, narcisistic, manic depressive, and who knows what else. Apparently he feels the need to appeare extremely superior to his underlings.

Oh yes. Even when it can play against him he can't help but to do things in order to feel a God.

[C. Lee]

Oh yes. Even when it can play against him he can't help but to do things in order to feel a God.

Yep. That's what a lot of people seem to be missing the point of.....Lex is very unstable.

[I Am The Knight]

Nothing makes a guy feel more superior than having idiots fawning over his every move. Lex is not mentally stable. Sure....he's a genius....but he's also a sociopath, narcisistic, manic depressive, and who knows what else. Apparently he feels the need to appeare extremely superior to his underlings.

That's more or less what I got from Luthor as presented in SR. Even the NK scheme seemed to be more about the grandeur of the whole thing than "Land." He sure as hell didn't need the money.

[TruerToTheCore]

when I speak of "Lex Luthor" I usually do not think about the two one-dimensional Lex Luthor takes: 1. the early Golden Age mad scientist and the 2. CEO with a bad bad bad childhood.

I think of the great Silver/Bronze Age Luthor (yes, he gets bad propaganda these days by the Byrne fans), who was an outsider because of his intelligence but yet good friends with Superboy but yet jealousy of him, because Superman was SIMPLY better than him. Not only that, he could fly and shoot laserbeams out of his eyes, no he was also more INTELLIGENT. And when Superboy accidently destroyed his "artifical life" he created (making him bald didn't help either) his hidden jealousy turned into blatant hatred. The fact that the world loved Superman and not him made him mad. If it weren't for Superman he would probably benifit mankind (like he did with the people on LEXOR). And Superman knows deep inside what Lex Luthor could have been AND can be. That is the reason he never completely stopped him.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Oh, well I'm not sure how accurate this is. It's sort of friend of a friend kind of stuff from a friend from my old animation/illustration school days that actually made it and has worked on some very cool, very big projects. I trust him, though who knows how accurate his information might be.

I don't know if this is true, if it's from an old rejected pitch or from a newer one. I don't know how to verify this, or if you even could. I took this with a grain of salt and I'd recommend you do too.

We were talking about comics and the Dark Knight and he mentioned that there were some details floating around about the next Superman movie. They are as follows:

1) He told me that there was going to be a big alien alien machine (we both figured this to be Brainiac) that was going to come to Earth after the events of the first movie looking for Kryptonian technology or Kryptonians.

2) That "Brainiac" was going to come after Superman and Jason and that Lois and Jason would be put in danger again. I don't know if anybody dies or, specifically, if Jason or Richard are killed. He didn't mention Richard at all though so maybe he's gone?

3) He also said that Lex was going to be in it too, that he was going to get a get out of jail free card for helping to save the world from Brainiac.

4) There'd also be a sequence in space (RTK?) and a big battle in the city between Superman and a bunch of alien robots.

So yeah, that's what I've heard. Again, how true it is, I've no idea. Has anybody else heard anything along these lines? Anything similar?

That's not too bad...But taking it with a grain of salt.I am with him about taking things with a grain of salt but if it is true then this sounds very good and more in line with Geoff Johns current Action Comics arc which is great by the way.

[Dark Knight]

Oh, well I'm not sure how accurate this is. It's sort of friend of a friend kind of stuff from a friend from my old animation/illustration school days that actually made it and has worked on some very cool, very big projects. I trust him, though who knows how accurate his information might be.

I don't know if this is true, if it's from an old rejected pitch or from a newer one. I don't know how to verify this, or if you even could. I took this with a grain of salt and I'd recommend you do too.

We were talking about comics and the Dark Knight and he mentioned that there were some details floating around about the next Superman movie. They are as follows:

1) He told me that there was going to be a big alien alien machine (we both figured this to be Brainiac) that was going to come to Earth after the events of the first movie looking for Kryptonian technology or Kryptonians.

2) That "Brainiac" was going to come after Superman and Jason and that Lois and Jason would be put in danger again. I don't know if anybody dies or, specifically, if Jason or Richard are killed. He didn't mention Richard at all though so maybe he's gone?

3) He also said that Lex was going to be in it too, that he was going to get a get out of jail free card for helping to save the world from Brainiac.

4) There'd also be a sequence in space (RTK?) and a big battle in the city between Superman and a bunch of alien robots.

So yeah, that's what I've heard. Again, how true it is, I've no idea. Has anybody else heard anything along these lines? Anything similar?



I would think those alien robots would be creations of Braniac, similar to the ones that they are using in Geoff Johns ACTION COMICS Superman run going on now.

[AragornKing1]

I would think those alien robots would be creations of Braniac, similar to the ones that they are using in Geoff Johns ACTION COMICS Superman run going on now.

Well, didn't Bryan Singer say that he would look to the more modern Superman comic books for inspiration for the sequel?

[Showtime]

David Hayter said that at a college presentation, Singer told him this according to Hayter.

[AragornKing1]

David Hayter said that at a college presentation, Singer told him this according to Hayter.

Oh yeah that's right. Thanks Show. :woot:

[AragornKing1]

So since the script is being written now, have you heard anything similar Show to the plot points up above? :yay:

[Mostpowerful]

Nothing makes a guy feel more superior than having idiots fawning over his every move. Lex is not mentally stable. Sure....he's a genius....but he's also a sociopath, narcisistic, manic depressive, and who knows what else. Apparently he feels the need to appeare extremely superior to his underlings.

Oh yes. Even when it can play against him he can't help but to do things in order to feel a God.

That's more or less what I got from Luthor as presented in SR. Even the NK scheme seemed to be more about the grandeur of the whole thing than "Land." He sure as hell didn't need the money.

Agreed.

I really enjoyed this version of Lex as a casual Superman fan that I was when I first saw SR. And I loved Kevin in the role. I felt this Lex was more menacing, cold and sinister than Hackman´s Lex (he, Otis and miss T. were too campy and cheesy to my tastes for the most part. Worst part of those movies to me). And he (Spacey´s Lex) even had time for some dark humour, which made him more sinister to me. I felt that he really hated Supes. IMO, Spacey rocked as Lex. I think that he was only a little campy in one or two scenes, but he was great in the rest of the film. He was awesome during the NK scenes....poor Supes. :csad:

[mojo-x]

If Lex’s is so smart in SR how come he has never heard of Dubia?

[ReTrO JuNkIe 42]

If Lex’s is so smart in SR how come he has never heard of Dubia?


Its funny cause its true, that is amazing what they did, but it seems like a
tragedy waiting to happen

[DavidTyler]

Yep. That's what a lot of people seem to be missing the point of.....Lex is very unstable.

I don't think 'unstable' is the right term for what Lex is. I don't think he's ever out of control.

The better term would be that he's very chauvinistic .... or possibly 'self absorbed.

His self vision puts him above any and all around him. Having 'Yes Men' around him at all times just makes sense.

unstable? No. The Joker is unstable. Lex is very stable. He's just not operating under the same rules the rest of us are.

[C. Lee]

Planning a crime where a person or two might die is evil and callous....planning a crime where billions will die and the structure of the planet will be changed....is unstable.

[Nixon]

Unstable? It's GD insane is what it is.

Someone should tell Lex that no matter how much "land" he gets it isn't going to make his father (the one he keeps bringing up when explaining his schemes) love him.

[Delete]

Would Lexcorp be heavily into real estate?

[DavidTyler]

Planning a crime where a person or two might die is evil and callous....planning a crime where billions will die and the structure of the planet will be changed....is unstable.

You're talking about the ridiculous SR plot.

I'm talking the Luthor from the comics post Man Of Steel. (barring of course idiot plots from bad writers). The Luthor from the comics realizes that he can't make radical changes like creating a new continent and sinking 3/4s of America without making changes to the world that wouldn't result in a win for him. Think about the friggin goal Singer set up: People would be forced to move to his new continent??? Who??? The dead people drowned by raising the ocean level with that new continent??? And they would have what for a food source??? Rocks??? Canabilism???

No, I don't for a second count Singer's take on the character as anything but a retread of Donner's take....and a poorly thought out one at that.

Unfortunately, a great actor got stuck in the middle with this - Kevin Spacey - the one bright spot in the whole film.

[Warhammer]

This thread is sorta like the unofficial companion piece to the "Post-Crisis or Pre-Crisis" thread. Basically, this is to discuss which version(s) of Lex Luthor do you want to see in the Superman reboot. Discuss.

:up: