The Official Misc. Villians Reboot Thread

[Magneto]

I'd like to see Zod and Lex

[SuperDaniel]

^Hell no! BRANIAC and LEX!

[Magneto]

That's not a bad Combination

[I Am The Knight]

I chose Brainiac, Luthor, and Metallo.

[Magneto]

not a bad choice either, but im not sure if they could fit all that in

[SuperDaniel]

Just not Zod. Brainiac or the Eradicator, as you prefer...

[I Am The Knight]

Metallo would be a minor villain.

[Magneto]

Metallo would be a minor villain.

that'd work

Just not Zod. Brainiac or the Eradicator, as you prefer...
what's wrong with zod?

[SuperDaniel]

I want a villain we haven't seen before on screen. That means, Post-crisis Luthor and another one to tie to Superman's origins. So Brainiac is the best option, IMO.

[Magneto]

I want a villain we haven't seen before on screen. That means, Post-crisis Luthor and another one to tie to Superman's origins. So Brainiac is the best option, IMO.

what's a good way to connect them story-wise?

[Showtime]

You won't see Zod anywhere near a reboot...

[SuperDaniel]

Watch Superman the animated series. You'll have the answer for this question.

[Magneto]

You won't see Zod anywhere near a reboot... :( *sniff* your probably right :(

Watch Superman the animated series. You'll have the answer for this question.

sweet

[SuperDaniel]

Besides being entertained! Any Superman should watch it. That and Justice League.

[Magneto]

Normal Justice League or Justice League Unlimited?

[I Am The Knight]

I think they should build up the Brainiac storyline. Start with with Luthor and Metallo, and reveal Brainiac in the third act. Think of Batman Begins, with Metallo = Scarecrow, and Ra's Al Ghul = Brainiac in terms of story. There would be no twist with a fake Brainiac tough. Haha.

[Magneto]

I think they should build up the Brainiac storyline. Start with with Luthor and Metallo, and reveal Brainiac in the third act. Think of Batman Begins, with Metallo = Scarecrow, and Ra's Al Ghul = Brainiac in terms of story. There would be no twist with a fake Brainiac tough. Haha.

that sounds awesome to me, but this would need to be like 3 hours like TDK, Cuz they'd need to introduce the villains and Superman

[SuperDaniel]

Both. But first watch Superman TAS. The origin 3-part episodes called "Superman the last son of krypton" and the episodes "Stolen Memories" and "Ghost in the machine".

[Showtime]

The studio wanted Brainiac for a sequel, I think you'll see him for a reboot along with another threat.

[SuperDaniel]

I think they should build up the Brainiac storyline. Start with with Luthor and Metallo, and reveal Brainiac in the third act. Think of Batman Begins, with Metallo = Scarecrow, and Ra's Al Ghul = Brainiac in terms of story. There would be no twist with a fake Brainiac tough. Haha.
That would be good too.

[Magneto]

Both. But first watch Superman TAS. The origin 3-part episodes called "Superman the last son of krypton" and the episodes "Stolen Memories" and "Ghost in the machine".
Sweet, do they sell those?

The studio wanted Brainiac for a sequel, I think you'll see him for a reboot along with another threat.

A Sequel to SR or the reboot sequel?

[SuperDaniel]

The studio wanted Brainiac for a sequel, I think you'll see him for a reboot along with another threat.
:up: POST-CRISIS LUTHOR, INTERGANG...BRING IT ON!!

[Magneto]

:up: POST-CRISIS LUTHOR, INTERGANG...BRING IT ON!!

HELL YEAH!!! :up:

[SuperDaniel]

Sweet, do they sell those?
A Sequel to SR or the reboot sequel?
Just go here
http://www.broadcaster.com/video/search.php?db=&limit=30&random=0&section=&relation=OR&search=&searchType=video&s=Superman+TAS&x=0&y=0

There wont be a sequel to SR, thank god.

[Magneto]

I Liked SR, But im glad there's not gonna be a sequel. and ty

[That-Guy]

Brainiac as the main villain, with Lex in more of a supporting, behind-the-scenes villain role. And maybe the Eradicator device could be introduced but not as the actual Krypton Man character yet... just the machine.

[Magneto]

Lex or Brainiac could be the lead villain, id be fine either way

[SuperDaniel]

^I think they should just mix the Eradicator with Braniac and make it the same character. I kinda want Braniac to be a small device first like the Eradicator and then later arrange himself a robotic body.

[Magneto]

that'd be great, but they'd have to work the character just right

[That-Guy]

I'd rather they keep Brainy and Eradicator seperate, just because I love both characters and I think that they each could be interesting and work well in a film, particularly because Eradicator eventually becomes a hero and I'd love to see them do that arc (I'd kill for a solo Eradicator movie, though I doubt it would ever happen).

I'd also like to cast a vote for NEVER have Mister Mxyzptlk in a film because I f**king hate him).

[Magneto]

well i really want to see Lex with Braniac and maybe Metallo, but regardless i'm sure they'll use Lex

[SuperDaniel]

I'd rather they keep Brainy and Eradicator seperate, just because I love both characters and I think that they each could be interesting and work well in a film, particularly because Eradicator eventually becomes a hero and I'd love to see them do that arc (I'd kill for a solo Eradicator movie, though I doubt it would ever happen).

I'd also like to cast a vote for NEVER have Mister Mxyzptlk in a film because I f**king hate him).
In TAS, Brainiac and the eradicator are basically the same character. Have you ever read Whatever happened to the man of tomorrow?

[That-Guy]

In TAS, Brainiac and the eradicator are basically the same character. Have you ever read Whatever happened to the man of tomorrow?

Sadly no... I've heard that it would give me a newfound respect for Mxy, but until I get around to it, I still hate him.

[SuperDaniel]

You're missing out. One of the greatest Superman stories ever.

[Cousin Itt]

I would only want to see Zod and his crew if they threw Parasite in there to make it more interesting.

As for this film though... I would love to see a Luthor Brainiac team.

[Magneto]

that's my pick also

[Mentok]

Ultra-Humanite in the form of a giant Ant.

[Nightwing]

We've seen too much of Brainiac in the Smallville show so I dont think he'll make an appearance as the main villain. Same with plans for Doomsday to feature in Season 8 so i cant see him being there either...the way Smallville is panning out they're lining it up for a Justice League series or film and I can see Doomsday being the main villain for that..

The ultimate villain that i would love to see (played by Michael Duncan Clarke) would be Darkseid...

That visually on screen with the Omega Blast would be awesome and when it boils down to it these two are destined to fight forever...Luthor has been done in all the films and yes he could feature as trying to manipulate Darkseid to his own gain but Darkseid would be the villain to put on the big screen

[batlovescatDC]

I voted Brainiac, Luthor, Metallo, and Parasite. Obviously it would be too much to put all of them in (unless there's just a quick scene where he takes one of them down.... i.e. the Scarecrow scene in TDK). But I do hope that these are four that they choose from. IMO, these four are among the best 5 Superman villains.... the other being Doomsday of course. But I do not want to see Doomsday in a film.

[SuperDaniel]

^That on Smallville wasn't really the Brainiac i want to see...You cannot compare a TV show with a big-budget movie. That would be like saying we cant use Metallo because he appeared in the Superboy shows and Lois & Clark.

[BATZARRO WWD]

I wanna see Lex Luthor plus another villain. Brainiac being the top choice, and Parasite being close by. But I personally wouldn't put Brainiac AND Metallo. Either one or the other, because I can't see Metallo as a bit player.

[Rust]

Brainiac should be the main villain and Luthor should be lurking/plotting in the shadows kinda like being part of the audience.

Brainiac as done by Gary Frank would be killer. More like an entity. A "brain". Plus, he looks freakin' scary. Maybe make him more mobile.
And maybe kinda combine him with Metallo or Metallo be his servant/henchmen.

[Hulkfan2008!]

trilogy

Superman: Man of Steel
Braniac, lex luthor
(can anyone post a recent pic of braniac ? i saw him in a comic and thought that the look he had there would near perfect for a movie.)

Superman: Doomsday
lex luthor, doomsday

Superman: Rebirth
bizzaro, metallo, lex luthor

[batman44]

If they're doing an origin film, I'll like to see Lex Luther, Intergang, and Metallo.

[batlovescatDC]

Granny Goodness should totally be the villain, played by John Travolta..... LMAO!

[SuperDaniel]

How about...A GIANT SPIDER?

[COMPO]

I'd go with Luthor and Metello uno if they do an origin cos my idea is that Lex has Team Luthor help the Police gith crime but he charges them a small fee and sometimes stages some of the emergencies to get more money out of them and also to get more people in the city to love him.

Superman comes along and not only makes Team Luthor look obsolete, he's doing it for free. So LexCorp has been studying Kryptonite and its affects on plants and animals, Lex wants to do it on people and see what they can do with it. One of his old Luthor agents had was killed during one of Superman's heroics and Lex builds him into Metallo to get rid of Superman so he can save the city from now on and be the hero of Metropolis.

Metallo and Superman fight with Superman weakened he's easily beaten. Metallo goes mad with power afterwards thinking he should be in charge and not Luthor and goes after Luthor to take over.

Superman wakes up after Metallo goes away from him so he doesnt feel the affects. He starts looking for Metallo and fights him fast so he can't open his rib cage revealing the Krpyontie inside. Superman agaion is weakened and uses long distance attacks to beat Metallo but not before Lex blows Metallos head off with the detonator he put in his head.

Lex picks up the Kryptonite knowing it now weakens Superman he moves towards him but doesn't kill him... he just lets Superman know he knows how to kill him and holds it over Superman that one day he'll be the one to kill him.

[Magneto]

trilogy

Superman: Man of Steel
Braniac, lex luthor
(can anyone post a recent pic of braniac ? i saw him in a comic and thought that the look he had there would near perfect for a movie.)

Superman: Doomsday
lex luthor, doomsday

Superman: Rebirth
bizzaro, metallo, lex luthor

that all sounds good but i'd like for luther to die or go to jail or something in the second one

[COMPO]

Luthor should always be in a Superman film but he doesnt have to be a big role either a cameo like him being on the news or a mention so we know he's always there i mean hes the CEO of the large company he's gonna be in the foreground even if he is in the background.

[Jochimus]

Enough with Luthor and Kryptonite. Give him a couple scenes and all the other villain screen time to Brainiac already.

[Timstuff]

Lex Luthor and Metallo.

[BULLITT]

Lex has been done to death - move on.

[solidsnake86]

Brainiac, I don't think there is really a question, I would also like to see him in organic form as opposed to a machine (gary frank style). Lex should have a small role and be hinted at for a sequel where he could create parasite and metallo. If there is a third movie I would really want to see zod back along with phantom zone prisoners rather than darkseid because I think they could explore more of krypton. It would also give them a chance to interpert the phantom zone.

[hippie_hunter]

Superman - Lex Luthor, Metallo, Intergang, build up for Darkseid and Brainiac

Man of Steel - Lex Luthor and Brainiac

Superman III - Lex Luthor, Bizarro, and General Zod

[hippie_hunter]

Lex has been done to death - move on.

Lex is more than just a Superman villain though. He's one of the core characters in the Superman mythos. He should be in every Superman movie in some shape or form.

[Showtime]

Tell that to Superman 3.

[nocomics]

that'd work


what's wrong with zod?

Agree with other poster,want to see a villain we have'nt seen before. If they brought in Zod,ppl would compare,***** and complain it was copying Donnor's beloved Superman,and thats onething that killed SR..

I would'nt mind seeing a new villain made for Superman.

[bgshw44]

lex is more than just a superman villain though. He's one of the core characters in the superman mythos. He should be in every superman movie in some shape or form.

exactly!

[bgshw44]

I would'nt mind seeing a new villain made for Superman.

the thing that scares me about that is Superman III and IV

[hippie_hunter]

I would'nt mind seeing a new villain made for Superman.

Why should Superman get a new villain when he has a rather decent rogues gallery to fight with Lex Luthor, Bizarro, Metallo, Brainiac, Zod, Mongul, and Doomsday

[Timstuff]

Lex has been done to death - move on.

I do not consider the Donner Lex and the modern day Lex to be the same character.

[Magneto]

Lex has been done to death - move on.

yes he has, but the in a way re-inventing the characters with a much darker side, so making him that way will work

[Warhammer]

Lex Luthor.

And if he works in the script, Brainiac.

:up:

[That-Guy]

Why should Superman get a new villain when he has a rather decent rogues gallery to fight with Lex Luthor, Bizarro, Metallo, Brainiac, Zod, Mongul, and Doomsday

Exactly. I fail to understand whay SO many comic book movies (and I have to even include Nolan's Batman films in here due to the addition of Rachel Dawes) feel the need to add new characters when every superhero still has a plethora of unused characters that they can draw from. It makes no sense to me.

[BULLITT]

Lex is more than just a Superman villain though. He's one of the core characters in the Superman mythos. He should be in every Superman movie in some shape or form.

Every superhero has a villain that taxes him/her, but that's no reason to keep hashing it in each cinematic offering.

Don't be afraid of something that hasn't been done before.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Primarily voted for 'They shouldnt re-boot' as i still dont think they should.

But if they do, in the first movie the threat cant be TOO big, thats why i dont want to see Doomsday or Darkseid until at least movie 3. I think Lex and Metallo for a first movie would be sufficient, with a small role from the likes of Black Rock, Replikon or Ruin, just in the first hour or so.

[Weadazoid]

Parasite and Metallo for one
Lex and Brainiack for two

DarkSiede...


If all goes well, the battle betwxit Supes and Darksiede ends in near draw with an Amry from hell appearing at the end as they hoiste an unconcious darksiede up, and Superman Collapses


paving the way for JLU

[Sawyer]

Brainiac as the main villain, with Lex Luthor in a smaller villainous role. And set up John Corbenas Metallo for a sequel.

[That-Guy]

I'm not so sure that they should use Metallo. I like him and everything, but I'm just worried that an appearance by Metallo will turn people off because they'll just look at it as Superman vs. The Terminator.

[Nightwing]

Depends how they do Metallo...

They could go for the stupid moronic version (like they did in Clark & Lois) or they could put a twist on it and have him as the intelligent version...but they could make it so that there is a twist and Batman is investigating John Corban for the death of his parents and makes a slight appearance as Bruce Wayne in Metropolis...

Hee some can dream

[Timstuff]

Brainiac as the main villain, with Lex Luthor in a smaller villainous role. And set up John Corbenas Metallo for a sequel.

I'm not sure Metallo would be the best act to follow Brainiac with, which is why I'd do it the other way around. Metallo is hired muscle that goes rogue, so he works well as a villain to start up Superman's career with. He poses a very big threat on the physical level, which is good since the story will be busy setting up the characters. Brainiac is a much bigger threat than Metallo IMO, so he's a better villain for act 2 or 3 (I'd like to see a re-envisioning of Zod at some point, but I'm not sure if fans will bite or not). Brainiac is a tough act to follow because he's not only a threat to Superman, but Lex Luthor as well. I can almost see the two rivals forming a temporary alliance to take Brainiac down, since it would take both brawn and brains to defeat him-- and that would be much better plot material for a sequel than an opening chapter.

[dark_b]

Primarily voted for 'They shouldnt re-boot' as i still dont think they should.

But if they do, in the first movie the threat cant be TOO big, thats why i dont want to see Doomsday or Darkseid until at least movie 3. I think Lex and Metallo for a first movie would be sufficient, with a small role from the likes of Black Rock, Replikon or Ruin, just in the first hour or so.yeah this was Singers idea of first movie and look where we are.

i odnt htink that people wnat to see a dead superman or a grandpa superman at he end of the first movie. but you need to make the first movie like its your last. go with everything you have. if not doomsday then darkside.
or like maybe brainiac.
again this is the last chance for a new superman . we already had LL in the 80's. and we have enough of LL on smallville. the technology is there and the money will be there. why not make doomsday or brainiac ?

[Sawyer]

I'm not sure Metallo would be the best act to follow Brainiac with, which is why I'd do it the other way around. Metallo is hired muscle that goes rogue, so he works well as a villain to start up Superman's career with. He poses a very big threat on the physical level, which is good since the story will be busy setting up the characters. Brainiac is a much bigger threat than Metallo IMO, so he's a better villain for act 2 or 3 (I'd like to see a re-envisioning of Zod at some point, but I'm not sure if fans will bite or not). Brainiac is a tough act to follow because he's not only a threat to Superman, but Lex Luthor as well. I can almost see the two rivals forming a temporary alliance to take Brainiac down, since it would take both brawn and brains to defeat him-- and that would be much better plot material for a sequel than an opening chapter.

Well, i was actually thinking about Metallo being a secondary villain in the sequel to Zod, or another bad guy, but your probably right.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I love Metallo from the animated series. I would be very happy if he were the villain in a Superman movie alongside Lex. I wouldn't want a retread of the Animated series story though.

[dark_b]

the problem IMO is that with metallo you have only a villain for punching. which means that we again would get LL with the inteligence.

i want a new SMART villain .

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Lex will be the new smart villain. He will finally be smart.

[solidsnake86]

I agree with dark b, this mentality of the "we'll do it in the sequel" is just wrong. At this point if they do a reboot it will only have one chance to succeed, thats why you can't put in luthor again with a villain as the muscle. It has to be a big threat to even warrent the idea of a sequel. Look what happend with SR. If brainiac is used for the first movie it can be top'd for a sequel.

[dark_b]

I agree with dark b, this mentality of the "we'll do it in the sequel" is just wrong. At this point if they do a reboot it will only have one chance to succeed, thats why you can't put in luthor again with a villain as the muscle. It has to be a big threat to even warrent the idea of a sequel. Look what happend with SR. If brainiac is used for the first movie it can be top'd for a sequel.yeah.
ok i am not an expert but you need to give people the ultimate movie.
of course it will not be the best superman movie but you need to try to make it.

''no more holding back'' :hehe:

can you imagine that the writters of TF would say '' yeah i knwo that fans were angry that there was not fight between OP and megatron.we are waiting for the sequel. we had to introduce those robots and it would nto make sense for them to fight. it will end everythign with their epic battle''.

mu hahah. who said you will
get a sequel bryn singer? looks like you arent getting it :o you could make a badass movie wiht emotions. but nooooooooooo you had to be a smart ass right?????????????????? you had to hold back. the same for WB. you had to bullsh... us with some ''compeling love story'' and a lot of action right?

[I SEE SPIDEY]

To me Metallo isn't holding back as I really, really like him. I would dig Brainiac too but I'd perfer Metallo because his introduction on the Animated series is one of my favorite of the series.

Just defending my opinion because some people seem to think that I'm not picking him because I like him.

[dark_b]

respect that.

[solidsnake86]

For me I really just don't like metallo. He has a good concept but he comes off with a terminator vibe and they really haven't been able to come up with a design that strays away from that. IMO with metallo you get more of luthor and for a first movie I really think they need to not include him at all or have a brief appearence. I would not be against him in a sequel but i just don't see him as a villain that has potential to be more than just a henchman. Than again I'm not the writer so who knows.

I think brainiac provides an opportunity to explore his origin if they don't want to go into a full blown origin story, or if they do.

[hippie_hunter]

Every superhero has a villain that taxes him/her, but that's no reason to keep hashing it in each cinematic offering.

Don't be afraid of something that hasn't been done before.

Lex Luthor is a rather unique villain.

He isn't a villain that you simply can use every once and a while. He is a core part of Superman's cast alongside Lois Lane, Jimmy Olsen, Perry White, and Ma & Pa Kent. It just isn't complete without Lex.

He isn't like Ra's al Ghul, Scarecrow, the Roman, Two-Face, and the Joker in the Batman movies or Green Goblin, Dr. Octopus, Sandman, and Venom in the Spider-Man movies or Iron Monger in Iron Man or the Abomination in the Incredible Hulk where you just simply use them and once the movie is over you speculate on who they're going to use next.

Lex Luthor must be used in all Superman movies as either the key villain, the guy behind villains such as Bizarro, Parasite, and Metallo, or some sort of presence such as working with Superman to defeat Zod (like he did Last Son) or being manipulated by Darkseid or Brainiac (like he did in the DCAU).

[Excel]

I agree that Lex should be in every movie. But it HAS to have alien super powered villains; the sci fi angle is such a huge sell and could be so badass! The money shots from ontages of the aliens arriving to Earth...

*dreams of market potential*

[That-Guy]

How about Ultraman? Just kidding... although if they ever do make a JLA movie... I'd love to see the Crime Syndicate. But not the lameass original one... I want the one from JLA: Earth 2. THOSE were some truly evil badasses.

[Nirvana]

First film: Lex Luthor and Metallo with Brainiac responsible for the destruction of Krypton.
Second film: Brainiac, Parasite and Lex Luthor
Third film: Darkseid, Doomsday, Lex Luthor

I think Lex should be in all the films kind of pulling the strings to everything.

[broblacksteel]

plain and simple during the intro/credits....PLEASE use a voice over explaining supes origin (home planet, explosion, earth, child/adulthood etc) for the first 5-7mins.... THEN BOOM right into superman in the middle of a battle with a lesser character...(one he can actually hit!)

Then after beating him, get into the story... whatever it may be (luther in jail or a NEW threat emerging etc.)

BTW i like the idea of Darkseid monitoring earth at the end of the movie, or construction workers, making a phone call to lex corp saying "sir we have uncovered something in the mines/underground".... or course it could be a capsule containing doomsday..... just a thought...

[COMPO]

I think it should be:

First film: Lex Luthor and Metallo
Second film: Luthor on his own
Third Film: Luthor and Brainiac and an evil Superman
Fourth film: Doomsday and Darksied (Luthor small role)
Fifth film: Doomsday again

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

yeah this was Singers idea of first movie and look where we are.

i odnt htink that people wnat to see a dead superman or a grandpa superman at he end of the first movie. but you need to make the first movie like its your last. go with everything you have. if not doomsday then darkside.
or like maybe brainiac.
again this is the last chance for a new superman . we already had LL in the 80's. and we have enough of LL on smallville. the technology is there and the money will be there. why not make doomsday or brainiac ?

Never suggested either, dont know what you are on about.

Metallo and Lex are more than enough of a threat for the first movie, as I said earlier a cameo from a lesser Superman villain like Black Rock, Replikon or Ruin would more than satisfy.

[BATZARRO WWD]

Yeah, I'd say Luthor doesn't HAVE to be in all Superman movies, but most of them, yes. Because let's face it, how many times have we seen Luthor actually die? Well, comic deaths aside( I know of at least two) it doesn't happen much because Superman is not gonna kill him, is not gonna go "I don't have to save you either" and he's a pretty resourcefull guy. I could see them not using Luthor if he's been injailed, or if Darkseid is the main villain (though that's not to say Darkseid negates any possibility of Luthor being in). Being that this is a Reboot, well, i'd be surprised if they don't give Luthor at least a hint.

That said, It's be interesting if they went with some off-the beaten-path choices, like Livewire. I'd really like to see that!

[marcvader]

Hey guys, not a big follower of Supes but would love to see an entertaining movie. Hope whoever does the reboot hits it out of the park. As far as his adversaries suggested by most of you guys ie. Brainiac, Metallo, can these guys give him a fight physically. That's what i feel has been missing. I'd like to see someone he could get physical with and not just do amazing things in certain situations. Do these villains fit the bill?

[VenomsMom]

Yeah, I'd say Luthor doesn't HAVE to be in all Superman movies, but most of them, yes. Because let's face it, how many times have we seen Luthor actually die? Well, comic deaths aside( I know of at least two) it doesn't happen much because Superman is not gonna kill him, is not gonna go "I don't have to save you either" and he's a pretty resourcefull guy. I could see them not using Luthor if he's been injailed, or if Darkseid is the main villain (though that's not to say Darkseid negates any possibility of Luthor being in). Being that this is a Reboot, well, i'd be surprised if they don't give Luthor at least a hint.

That said, It's be interesting if they went with some off-the beaten-path choices, like Livewire. I'd really like to see that!
In SR he sure was going to kill Lex Kitty and those goons by tossing them into space. LOL

[sdc10]

Just a quick question....is Darkseid pronounced dark side? or dark seed?

[I Am The Knight]

"Dark Side."

[Holiday]

Would any of yall wanna see Lobo in a Superman movie? I think if it were a darker movie he could be badass. Have Josh Brolin play him.

Anyways for the next film I wanna see Lex established and use Metallo as a minor villian and Parasite as the main villian.

[That-Guy]

Yeah, I think Parasite could make for an interesting villain in a film. Visually, I think he'd look more interesting than Metallo.

You guys may have a point about saving Brainy for part 2 or 3 because he's definitely a "on a grander scale" kinda bad guy... not necessarily something you want to include in the first installment.

Then again, Batman Begins had Ra's as the villain, and I've always considered him to be Batman "biggest" enemy because he represents a global threat whereas the Joker, Two-Face, etc. are really only concerned with Gotham.

[solidsnake86]

I liken brainiac to Ra's as well and firmly believe he should be in this film. Having luthor and a henchmen is not bringing anything new to the film and will be SR + a villain that he can punch. Do brainiac hint at luthor for the sequel, I think thats the best thing for the audience. I also like parasite better than metallo just cause he is visually better than him. They have no choice but to go big in this film and I think this is a problem with fans belief in saving people for a sequel, their might not be a sequel if this movie doesn't deliver.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I think it should be:

First film: Lex Luthor and Metallo
Second film: Luthor on his own
Third Film: Luthor and Brainiac and an evil Superman
Fourth film: Doomsday and Darksied (Luthor small role)
Fifth film: Doomsday againThat would be boring and it was already done with SR and it would be a financial disaster for WB. You up the ante in sequels.

[Magneto]

i think there should be three then :supes: vs :batty: and then Justice League

[That-Guy]

http://www.craphound.com/images/w1kspidersquirrel.jpg

[Weadazoid]

the dreaded Spide Squirel...no the public is not ready for that kind of hard core stuff on the big blue screen.

[Magneto]

lol :D

[Armored Avenger]

I would like to see Brainiac as the main villain with Luthor as a supporting villain.

[fabman]

I would so like to see Toyman in a live-action Superman flick. Maybe not in the revamp, but in a sequel... who knows. I'd have an idea in mind with him as villain.

[Godzilla]

1. Lex Luthor and Metallo, or Bizarro.
2. Brainiac, Toyman or Prankster (either would work for a good side villain before Brainiac arrives), and some appearances by Lex to establish his presence still being a factor in Superman's life, and Metropolis.
3. Doomsday, Lex Luthor, and Parasite (supporting villain).

[Lightning54SC]

1st film: Luthor and Brainiac (the angle should be Superman naot being trust as brainiac manipluates the public saying superman is bad with the help of lex only to have superman comeout on top)

2nd film: Luthor (small role) Darksied (Darksied is told Brainiac hs failed and darkseid basically goes after the man of steel to get his blood to create his own kryptonian race of soilders)


3rd film: Luthor/Bizzaro/Metallo (After darksied fails, luthor gets ahold of supermans blood and creates bizzaro to start his own army only to have bizzaro flip out, he then creates metallo to hunt both superman and bizzaro done)

END THERE!

[[A]]

If this is a trilogy, I wouldn't mind seeing gimmicky DOOMSDAY at some point

[Superhero 101]

Darkseid!!!!!!!!

[The Man of Steel]

nah, he needs to be in a later film. i'd say Lex and Brainiac

[The Man of Steel]

If this is a trilogy, I wouldn't mind seeing gimmicky DOOMSDAY at some point
I AGREE :up::up:

[Gotham22]

If a trilogy is made.
first film - Lex and Bizzaro
second film - Darkseid
Third film - Brainiac and Lex

[The Man of Steel]

Bizzaro's not a stronge enough character (in my opinion) to handle the first film

[SatEL]

Bizzaro's not a stronge enough character (in my opinion) to handle the first film

His not a strong enough character to handle any film, its best to just leave him out of the films and focus on other villians.

[The Man of Steel]

such as?

[SatEL]

such as?


Mongul, Brainiac, Lex, Metallo.

[The Man of Steel]

all sound great :up:

[MichaelEsquire]

I loved the way the animated series used Brainiac and wouldn't mind seeing that kind of adaptation.

[Steelsheen]

so long as they feature Brainiac somewhere in the trilogy i'm happy.

[Arthas]

^Hell no! BRANIAC and LEX!

:woot: that would be AWESOME:wow::wow::word:

[[A]]

I AGREE :up::up:
The man of steel himself agrees with me! :woot:

[Hulkfan2008!]

first film - lex, braniac
second film - lex, doomsday
third film - lex, ???mongoul(maybe)????

[8wid]

With Luthor in a main role for the first trilogy, in fact creating the villains.

1. Bizarro
2. Metallo
3. Parasite

Luthor will now be a supporting villain.

4. Brainiac
5. Darkseid
6. Doomsday

[MichaelEsquire]

Interesting take on that.

[TheBatman1979]

1st film: Luthor and Brainiac (the angle should be Superman naot being trust as brainiac manipluates the public saying superman is bad with the help of lex only to have superman comeout on top)

2nd film: Luthor (small role) Darksied (Darksied is told Brainiac hs failed and darkseid basically goes after the man of steel to get his blood to create his own kryptonian race of soilders)


3rd film: Luthor/Bizzaro/Metallo (After darksied fails, luthor gets ahold of supermans blood and creates bizzaro to start his own army only to have bizzaro flip out, he then creates metallo to hunt both superman and bizzaro done)

END THERE!

Uh, Dark Sied doesn't need Kryptonian Soldiers. He has Parademons and Desaad to do his dirty work. Not to mention you're talking about a New God who knows part of the anti-life equation.

[Sawyer]

With Luthor in a main role for the first trilogy, in fact creating the villains.

1. Bizarro
2. Metallo
3. Parasite

Luthor will now be a supporting villain.

4. Brainiac
5. Darkseid
6. Doomsday

I like the sound of it.

[8wid]

Bizarro should not be a clone with identity crisis, who goes around and cheaply does evil thinking it's good. Make this clone a mercenary for Luthor or a failed experiment which only acts on impulse to get whatever he wants. I don't want a mentally retarded Superman flying around and flaking into pancake mix. If he has to fall apart, let him mutate and deform until he bleeds to death, not explode into a cloud of powder.

[Hole Shot]

Brainiac is a great villain but he has one flaw. If you're not familiar with the comic books his name is incredibley hokey.

[dark_b]

teh name? how in gods name would this be a problem.

[The Man of Steel]

agreed, what's wrong with it?

[I Am The Knight]

Brainiac is a great villain but he has one flaw. If you're not familiar with the comic books his name is incredibley hokey.

Oh come on. "Batman" ??

[Sawyer]

Just call him the Brain InterActive Construct.

[[A]]

Who's Luther ?

[Tomwelling4sups]

I'd like to see either brainiac or metallo

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Who's Luther ?Lex's long lost brother.lol

Oh come on. "Batman" ??You got a point.

[BATZARRO WWD]

Brainiac is a great villain but he has one flaw. If you're not familiar with the comic books his name is incredibley hokey.

I see. Braniac has been used as a light insult for too long. It's like having a villain named LeDouche. But I'm sure there's a way to get the name across without the lameness factor.

[That-Guy]

"Brainiac" is too hokey? Give me a break. Dr. Octopus? The Green Goblin? Magneto? Blackheart? The Penguin? Mr. Freeze? Suspend disbelief a bit, will you?

And as far as Superman villains go, you can't serious tell me Brainiac sounds any cheesier than Metallo or Darkseid.

[Paul-el]

Have Brainiac and Darkseid ever worked together in the comics?

[Sawyer]

"Brainiac" is too hokey? Give me a break. Dr. Octopus? The Green Goblin? Magneto? Blackheart? The Penguin? Mr. Freeze? Suspend disbelief a bit, will you?

And as far as Superman villains go, you can't serious tell me Brainiac sounds any cheesier than Metallo or Darkseid.

Agreed.

[Hole Shot]

I see. Braniac has been used as a light insult for too long. It's like having a villain named LeDouche. But I'm sure there's a way to get the name across without the lameness factor.

Exactly. It's what people call someone that does something stupid when they're 8-years-old.

"Brainiac" is too hokey? Give me a break. Dr. Octopus? The Green Goblin? Magneto? Blackheart? The Penguin? Mr. Freeze? Suspend disbelief a bit, will you?

And as far as Superman villains go, you can't serious tell me Brainiac sounds any cheesier than Metallo or Darkseid.

Darkseid isn't too bad, but Metallo sucks. And if you look at Spiderman's villains, they get their name from a whacky news paper editor. So it works. Plus Spiderman isn't trying to sell itself as more "mature" as this forthcoming Superman.

Mr. Freeze, look how he turned out on screen? Nothing wrong with the Penguin depending on how you present it. Burton made him a weird mutant bird man. I think if Nolan were to give us Penguin he should only ever call himself Oswald Cobblepot but have his underworld rivals call him Penguin as a derogatory nickname.

So, stupid/corney/hokey names can work as long as it's given by other characters that in a way acknowledge how ridiculous it is.

Not too mention names like Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, Penguin etc have been fixtures in our mainstream pop-culture for a very long time. So they're accepted easier.

[The Guard]

The way to make "Braniac" less cheesy is one, to use his real name (Vril Drox), and two, to play up the darker side of the concept of something that is all knowing. I don't think you need to have his name spoken every two seconds. It could easily just be a nickname Earth gives him.

[BATZARRO WWD]

"Brainiac" is too hokey? Give me a break. Dr. Octopus? The Green Goblin? Magneto? Blackheart? The Penguin? Mr. Freeze? Suspend disbelief a bit, will you?

And as far as Superman villains go, you can't serious tell me Brainiac sounds any cheesier than Metallo or Darkseid.

As I said, It's not that the names themselves are lame. It's that as soon as a presumpted alien inteligence refers to itself as "Brainiac", it will be a bit silly. I believe they should be christened by other characters when the names are a bit out there. Blackheart is actually a good name for a demon, though.

As for Metallo, well, that's just italian for metal. If I had to write it, I'd have an italian scientist help make it/him. Then Corben's all like "I ain't human no more, I'm all metal" And the scientist's all like "Di scheletro Metallo..."(probably mangled there, but the scientist's trying to emplain about his metal skeleton) and Corben's all "Metallo?" and grabs him by the scruff of the neck "Metallo!" and kills him or something.

Gasp

[MichaelEsquire]

My explanation: On the planet Colu, they invented the Brain Inter Active Construct, or as they referred to it, Brainiac. Meant to gather information on planets around the universe, it became self aware and came to the conclusion that the only way to gather ultimate intelligence is to gather all useful information and destroy the remainder, hence it's planet-obliterating attitude. Superman learns all of this from the Kryptonian archives found in the ship that brought him to Earth left by Jor-El.

What would I do to one up the reboot? Leave him for the third act movie and reveal he is the real reason for Krypton's destruction and wants to finish the job by destroying the last Kryptonian in the universe. This could tie into the title "Superman: Legacy" being that he is what's left of the legacy of his home world.

[Rage]

first introduce Krypton, Brainiac and General Zod.

Brainiac is responisble for destroying Krypton.

Zod ends up on earth. Clark must become Superman to stop Zod and Brainiac.

Lex is upset that another alien has appeared to stop the current alien threat (which he is attempting to handle with his own private army) and vows to stop him. He's not fooled by Superman like all the others. We get the tension between the 2. Lex hates Superman because he is an alien and he doesn't trust aliens and Superman hates Lex because he is a take no prisioners, whatever it takes to get the job done (including murder) businessman who thinks that he is the king of the world.

At the end of the movie we get a glimpse of things to come... Darkseid.

That way you get 4 villains and Superman actually buts head with 3 of them.

Rage

[I Am The Knight]

Who's Luther ?

I f***ing hate that.

You got a point.

I do, normally :hehe:

I see. Braniac has been used as a light insult for too long. It's like having a villain named LeDouche. But I'm sure there's a way to get the name across without the lameness factor.

Is Shia LaBeouf involved?

Not too mention names like Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, Penguin etc have been fixtures in our mainstream pop-culture for a very long time. So they're accepted easier.

So, in time, why can't Brainiac be accepted as well?

[Hole Shot]

first introduce Krypton, Brainiac and General Zod.

Brainiac is responisble for destroying Krypton.


I totally agree. I think the best villains to start a series off with are ones that are tied to a hero's origin.

[Chris B]

I chose Brainiac, Luthor, and Metallo.

I like this.

[[A]]

Lex's long lost brother.lol
Makes sense. There's actually five of 'em, right ?

[solidsnake86]

I still don't see people's fascination with darkseid. He really wont tie into the superman mythology nicely like brainiac does and really if they both appear in the series they are essentially the same villain. Brainiac could potentialy have the better story if tied into krypton.

In terms of brainiacs name being stupid look at darkseid (pronounced dark side) he sounds like a left over star wars villain.

If things were different I would have preferred brainiac in a third film as well, starting with luthor and having zod in a sequel with the phantom zone prisoners. Unfortunately this movie doesn't have the luxury of this and needs to begin big because lets face it, their might not be a sequel if this one doesn't work. Thats why I keep on bangint the drum for brainiac.

[8wid]

Making Bizarro a doppelganger so that he is almost near diagnosable with down syndrome and has distorted visions of doing good as evil and evil as good is ridiculous. Superman III's evil Superman inspires me to think that a clone should have the intentions directly opposite of Superman instead of not knowing good from evil, which is essential to making him a villain. What good is hating a bad guy who thinks like a toddler and just smashes things. An evil twin type personality sounds interesting to me. This version of Bizarro, lusts for power and believes he is superior to all other beings on Earth. Instead of deforming into a white powder upon dying. A genetic defect in his combination of human and Kryptonian DNA comes when he becomes extremely weak and can be injured extremely easily. Supes just punching could kill him, in fact for an interesting breaking of Superman's moral code, it could happen accidentally for a real conscience grabber.

[[A]]

Making Bizarro a doppelganger so that he is almost near diagnosable with down syndrome and has distorted visions of doing good as evil and evil as good is ridiculous.
Ouch. No.

[The Guard]

Making Bizarro a doppelganger so that he is almost near diagnosable with down syndrome and has distorted visions of doing good as evil and evil as good is ridiculous. Superman III's evil Superman inspires me to think that a clone should have the intentions directly opposite of Superman instead of not knowing good from evil, which is essential to making him a villain. What good is hating a bad guy who thinks like a toddler and just smashes things. An evil twin type personality sounds interesting to me. This version of Bizarro, lusts for power and believes he is superior to all other beings on Earth. Instead of deforming into a white powder upon dying. A genetic defect in his combination of human and Kryptonian DNA comes when he becomes extremely weak and can be injured extremely easily. Supes just punching could kill him, in fact for an interesting breaking of Superman's moral code, it could happen accidentally for a real conscience grabber.

Bizarro kind of writes himself. My SUPERMAN treatment features a version of Bizarro created by a well meaning Lex Luthor who ends up going rogue simply because he doesn't know any better, and never learned how to respond to various stimuli before escaping containment. He's not evil, and he doesn't lust for power, more to the point, he's a commentary on the need to control great power. He's essentially a Cadmus clone with the body of Superman and the mind of a Kryptonian newborn. He has the Kryptonian capacity for quick learning, but not before he begins to break down. This allows for a "superpowered battle" in an origin story without making the villain the focus of the film and allowing Luthor to keep his screentime.

[8wid]

I want Metallo's origin something like this...

John Corben is Luthor’s pit viper for manipulation of global politics. His record is spotless, leading him to focus himself as a narcissist with his unstoppable nature. With Luthor‘s blessing, Corben initiates black market arms deals with Congolese warlords of American heavy and automatic weapons for a new genocide. LexCorp’s secret cut is permission to examine remains of meteorite ore in the Congo‘s rainforests. As civil unrest distracts international attention away from the smaller, illegal operations of LexCorp, Corben’s crew discover fragments of an unknown new element. Things are not stealth any longer as the Man of Steel intervenes in the initial onslaught of the mass murder, and gradually scares the thugs involved to reveal the supplier of their armory. Once Superman traces Corben’s operations to the conflict, he is nothing short of furious in destroying the dig site. Workers on the dig flee into the jungle. A clear gas releases from set traps set by Corben in order to make sure the facts of the expedition vanish. Luthor’s arsenal supply fails utterly to stop the Man of Steel, until Corben spots Supes weakened when exposed to the new element. Only an experienced mercenary like John Corben sees his chance. While, being pursued through the Congolese brush, he slips a fragment into a long-range sniper and breaches the Man of Steel’s skin, revealing his mortality. An incredibly stunned Superman must flee as his body bleeds immensely; he never thought any manmade weapon could injure him. Luthor never leaves another man with his prize, and learns the new potential weapon he will later dub kryptonite. Not wanting anyone aware of this knowledge, an embedded chemical toxin set in the pit viper’s rifle releases as part of measure to kill him in case of such a discovery. Instead, it he falls from his perch unconscious. He somehow confuses an injured Man of Steel for this action when LexCorp later rescues him.

[Frodo]

I'd actually have Metallo and intergang be the villians in part one. Morgan Edge would be the head of intergang and John Corbin would be his top guy. Toyman would work for Edge helping him with his product. Intergang would basically grip Metropolis in fear before Superman arrives .Lex would actually be a target of intergang and Corbin . I'd have Brainac make an apperance at the beginning during the Krypton sequence but bring him back as the villian in part 2.

[The Guard]

In one version of my SUPERMAN script, Corben worked for Intergang (it just makes sense). I would use Braniac to create Metallo, though (With Luthor's blessing). Let's face it, that's some high end technology, and I just don't see Luthor simply turning a man into a cyborg with Kryptonite when he has the Kryptonite. It just seems like a bit much. Now, an alien demigod robot who can manipulate technology? He might.

In my SUPERMAN 2 script, Braniac brings Kryptonite to everyone's attention when he arrives on Earth, and creates and uses Metallo as an "experiment" of sorts, to test Superman's limits and emotional stability. He also looses The Parasite on Metropolis.

The idea was that not only did Braniac want to collect specimens and knowledge, he wanted to leave parts of himself behind on Earth when he left. Hybrids, of a sort.

[fabman]

Okay, I know I might get flamed for opening this thread, but I want to ask you:

Do they have to go the supervillain route in the Superman Reboot?

You know, what I mean by supervillains is characters such as Metallo and Brainiac.

I mean, if we see Superman for the first time in the Reboot, I think that he should be seen as a threat by the citizens, with Lex Luthor going after him and trying to show the people that he's nothing more than a threat to humans.

Of course, Superman should kick some ass. They could go after him with advanced / alien technology, ultimately transforming Metropolis into a war zone.

I don't know it the reboot could work without supervillains such as Metallo and Braniac. What do you think?

[dark_b]

the reason why there is a reboot is because there was no cliche ending . not cliche fight for the masses.

everyone is getting a fight. even batman. superman not?


meeeh.

[fabman]

I don't find Superman Returns all that interesting. Maybe that's why there's a reboot.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Yes they do have to go the Supervillain route. I'm not going to flame you but I'm shocked you are asking this question as I find it to be a real no brainer.

[fabman]

Well, it depends. I'm the first guy who wants the new Superman flick to have action, action, and action (and a great script), but it's not like a supervillain would be the only way to get that. Imagine Metropolis as a playground for Lex Luthor to ruin Superman's imagine. I'm thinking of explosions, massive destruction and maybe Intergang providing alien techonology.

Introducing Superman, the Kents, the Daily Planet staff, Lex Luthor and a character such as Brainiac could be too much. By that I don't mean they should hold back, either, you know?

[dark_b]

I don't find Superman Returns all that interesting. Maybe that's why there's a reboot.
peopel can writte all they want but fro mall the movies that i saw in the last 10 years i think there is a summerblocbuster formula.
and if it is true that means that if superman is talking to flying monkeys and has in the same movie some jokes and a super fight it will make money.

[Slusho]

Okay, I know I might get flamed for opening this thread, but I want to ask you:

Do they have to go the supervillain route in the Superman Reboot?

You know, what I mean by supervillains is characters such as Metallo and Brainiac.

I mean, if we see Superman for the first time in the Reboot, I think that he should be seen as a threat by the citizens, with Lex Luthor going after him and trying to show the people that he's nothing more than a threat to humans.

Of course, Superman should kick some ass. They could go after him with advanced / alien technology, ultimately transforming Metropolis into a war zone.

I don't know it the reboot could work without supervillains such as Metallo and Braniac. What do you think?


I've also thought about that.

A story like the first episode of Superman TAS could work IMO:
no supervillain, but a lot of action due to Luthors advanced war technology he tried to sell to terrorists.
This also set up Lex as an evil businessman, but only Superman knew it.

[fabman]

I've also thought about that.

A story like the first episode of Superman TAS could work IMO:
no supervillain, but a lot of action due to Luthors advanced war technology he tried to sell to terrorists.
This also set up Lex as an evil businessman, but only Superman knew it.

Yeah, something like that is what I was talking about!

[BATZARRO WWD]

Well, as an enthusiast, I'd LIKE to see a villain. However, yeah, it doesn't necessarilly have to have a villain to be good.

[Slusho]

Yeah, something like that is what I was talking about!

If done right, such a story could lift a Superman Film over regular superhero films and turn it into a crime epic like TDK.

Of course I will now get flamed and be told that Batman is not Superman, but such an approach would work with the "darker films" comments made by the WB executive in WSJ.

[Nathan]

Sure, I don't mind having just Superman Vs Lex for the majority of the time, but at the end there should be a super villain for a super punch out. I want to finally see Superman with todays technology punching someone through buildings, getting pummeled into the ground, getting overpowered and brought near his limits.

I don't just want some goons with advanced weapons, I want someone that can go toe-to-toe with Superman as well.

[NeoRanger]

I'll tell you that; one of my personal favorite things about Superman is the little things he can do we can't. Generally, I enjoy it a great deal when he's catching falling planes and stops out-of-control trains. Whatever problems I had with SR in terms of action came from lacking enough of those, not a villain. So, really, if a reboot were to take that route, I'd be along for the ride.

Having said that, it's high time they went the super-villain route. For one, an action summer-flick has to have a punch-out and explosions, because it's simply downright fun. And then, even from a fan's perspective, poor guy never gets to punch anyone. Last time he did it was with a quite limited special-effects technology in 1980 (I won't even mention the Nucelar Man- typo intended).

And, you can't expect the general public to either see Superman's coolness (which very much exists, despite what many nay-sayers will say) or get the idea of him being universally untouchable out of their heads, if he doesn't go up against a villain who can take him. Darkseid maybe better left for a JLA film, but it's time we saw someone make Superman bleed without some sort of trick. Not because it's "rad", but because it's part of the character. He's not unkillable.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Well, it depends. I'm the first guy who wants the new Superman flick to have action, action, and action (and a great script), but it's not like a supervillain would be the only way to get that. Imagine Metropolis as a playground for Lex Luthor to ruin Superman's imagine. I'm thinking of explosions, massive destruction and maybe Intergang providing alien techonology.

Introducing Superman, the Kents, the Daily Planet staff, Lex Luthor and a character such as Brainiac could be too much. By that I don't mean they should hold back, either, you know?See I want a Supervillain fight so the anwser is still no. With all of the moderen technology I think that a Supervillain battle would finally be awesome so I'm saying no. SR already did what you are preposing and it didn't work for me so no, no, no, no, no, no, and finally NO!

Superman has only fought Supervillains in one of his 5 movies and the one movie that he fault them in had to work with 70's technology so once again: Absolutely positively NO!

Honestly, I can't believe you'd perpose this. You think that it would be a good idea to, once again, have Superman fighting nature, and only nature? When would we ever get to a Supervillain? 2020?

[Nathan]

I'm getting chills only thinking about how awesome a punch-out could be with today's technology. The earth shaking with every blow, buildings crumbling like card houses, Superman's heat vision unleashed without holding back.

To realize his full potential for a movie, you just need someone that can challenge him physically. No tricks, no weapons, no lame Kryptonite for the umpteenth time. Just bare fists on bone.

[fabman]

I don't think Superman Returns did what I'm proposing, I just remember bland characters, a ridiculous Kryptonite island and lots of Peter Jackson-esque cinematography and tons of unneeded CGI. Not at all what I'm talking about. And Superman wouldn't be fighting nature. Actually, do you remember Birthright? Something in that vein, just crazier.

If they're putting in a supervillain just for the sake of it. The Incredible Hulk did that, it was kinda fun... but I had forgotten about that movie after 30 seconds. That flick's fun, but kinda mediocre.

[dark_b]

i hate with a passion : ''lets what for the sequel''

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I don't think Superman Returns did what I'm proposing, I just remember bland characters, a ridiculous Kryptonite island and lots of Peter Jackson-esque cinematography and tons of unneeded CGI. Not at all what I'm talking about. And Superman wouldn't be fighting nature. Actually, do you remember Birthright? Something in that vein, just crazier.

If they're putting in a supervillain just for the sake of it. The Incredible Hulk did that, it was kinda fun... but I had forgotten about that movie after 30 seconds. That flick's fun, but kinda mediocre.I had so many misspellings in that last post.

Anywho: Yes I remember Brithright and I wouldn't disagree with you if it weren't for the fact that Superman 78 didn't feature a Supervillain
and Superman Returns didn't feature one. Those were the start of franchises. This new Superman is supposed to be too why does it have to do the same thing that they did in this regard? Why can't we ever have a Superman franchise start off with a Supervillain? "If they're putting in a supervillain just for the sake of it." By that logic we will never be able to see a Supervillain.

You seem to think that a Supervillain will just waste valuable time and I just can't agree with that.

i hate with a passion : ''lets what for the sequel''Exactly. I feel like if it were up to some people I'd never get to see Superman fight a Supervillain.

[dark_b]

Exactly. I feel like if it were up to some people I'd never get to see Superman fight a Supervillain.if it would be up to some people here you would get a reboot with : the same krypton from S:TM,theme music ,suit and even a CGI reeve(joke)

[fabman]

I'm not talking about "let's wait for the sequel".

if it would be up to some people here you would get a reboot with : the same krypton from S:TM,theme music ,suit and even a CGI reeve(joke)

That's exactly what I do not want. That's also another thing I don't like about Superman Returns.

I hope that they won't just introduce a "supervillain" in the third act, just for the sake of letting them fight a bit, without any regards to the story they actually want to tell. If this turns out to be as memorable as The Incredible Hulk, well, then they've missed the point again.

[Nathan]

The only real question is, what super villain should appear first? Brainiac? Metallo? Parasite? Bizarro? etc.

Darkseid is definitely a JLA villain. And I don't know if anyone would want to see Doomsday, but if he were to appear I'd say keep him for the 3rd movie.

[The Guard]

Do they have to go this route? No. They will, though.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I'm not talking about "let's wait for the sequel", either.Thats what it sounds like to me. lol Listen this topic is a can of worms for me. "If" WB were dumb enough to make yet another Supervillainless Superman movie I'd give up on the characters live action persona for good. Luckly I'm 100% sure that they aren't that stupid.

[fabman]

It may sound like that, but "let's wait for the sequel" is not what I'm talking about.

They gotta be real careful. I mean, if they're rebooting the franchise, I'm sure we're going to see Superman's first appearance in Metropolis, right?

The Daily Planet staff and Lex Luthor have to be introduced after Superman first appears in the flick, and I'm sure there's going to be some reaction by the people. Supervillain? OK. But make him fit into the storyline and let's not forget that the movie's about an alien first appearing on Earth and all sorts of "problems" that come with that.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Well, they should use the villains who fits best into the context and the story of the movie.And for some reason a Supervillain can never fit in the context of the story...according to some people.

It may sound like that, but "let's wait for the sequel" is not what I'm talking about.I'll take you at your word. But I like Superhero's to fight Supervillains so I think that it would be neat to not have endless Superman movies where he never fights a Supervillain. I think that it would be neat to finally see a Supervillain from the comics brought to the bigscreen. I want a good story, good acting and characters too but I don't see why that can't happen with Supervillain included.

[Nathan]

Well, they should use the villains who fits best into the context and the story of the movie.

Which, if you want goons with advanced weapons, we need a supplier. So IMO either Brainiac or someone from Apokolypse.

[dark_b]

of course the villain has to fit in.
the question is why would LL and some people firing at superman fit more?

[fabman]

Well, whether you like it or not, I'm pretty sure Lex Luthor will be in the flick anyway. He's always been very important in Superman's universe, as much as Lois Lane and the Kents.

[dark_b]

Well, whether you like it or not, I'm pretty sure Lex Luthor will be in the flick anyway. He's always been very important in Superman's universe, as much as Lois Lane and the Kents.i dont think that LL was so much important. after all this years he was in every movie and now IMO its automatic : LL needs to be in the movie.

[Nathan]

Yeah, and you can have a good script with Lex and a Super villain.

[bunk]

They only have one shot at this. If the reboot fails, we won't be seeing Superman for a while. It could even dash hopes for a JL movie. They need to pull out all the stops for this one, that means a villain and massive fight scenes.

[8wid]

In one version of my SUPERMAN script, Corben worked for Intergang (it just makes sense). I would use Braniac to create Metallo, though (With Luthor's blessing). Let's face it, that's some high end technology, and I just don't see Luthor simply turning a man into a cyborg with Kryptonite when he has the Kryptonite. It just seems like a bit much. Now, an alien demigod robot who can manipulate technology? He might.

In my SUPERMAN 2 script, Braniac brings Kryptonite to everyone's attention when he arrives on Earth, and creates and uses Metallo as an "experiment" of sorts, to test Superman's limits and emotional stability. He also looses The Parasite on Metropolis.

The idea was that not only did Braniac want to collect specimens and knowledge, he wanted to leave parts of himself behind on Earth when he left. Hybrids, of a sort.

I love those ideas. It would an interesting idea to have Brainiac as the main villain in at least two films just like Joker was intended for TDK. First he creates Bizarro as a tool for analyzing Kryptonian DNA. Metallo is then forged as a killing weapon to eliminate Superman.

[fabman]

Yeah, and you can have a good script with Lex and a Super villain.

I know, let's just hope they make a good script with Lex and a supervillain. :oldrazz:

@darkb: I think Lex is quite important. When you have Superman first appearing in Metropolis, I think that he's very important. He's there. Metropolis is practically his. Why sould you leave him out. He's a very interesting character when done right. Should he be in every Superman film? No. But he's important when Superman first appears. He kind of represents people's feelings about an alien trying to protect them. "Can we trust an alien or is he gonna kill us all?" - why would you have Superman just appear, fight a villain and that was it? In Richard Donner's flick he appears and everyone's just fine with it. As if it were a normal thing. :grin:

[EDIT] Making a JLA flick is a bad idea to me, but that's off topic.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I have no problem with a good version of Lex being in a reboot. I want to see a Hackmanless Lex in a movie so bring him on...and a Supervillain.

[Nathan]

They only have one shot at this. If the reboot fails, we won't be seeing Superman for a while. It could even dash hopes for a JL movie. They need to pull out all the stops for this one, that means a villain and massive fight scenes.

And we need some new characterizations. Lois with spunk, Clark not just being a bumbling douche and Luthor not going after real-estate.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

And we need some new characterizations. Lois with spunk, Clark not just being a bumbling douche and Luthor not going after real-estate.:hehe:

[8wid]

Now, I could see Superman go up against something as vicious as the Cloverfield monster, if the backstory and action were made to be realistic. LexCorp creating a huge genetic weapon that can crush cities and grant Lex the advantage and power he desires, while also killing Superman.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

It's about a man who can fly and has all sorts of magical powers, I don't want the action to be realistic but to each his/her own.

[fabman]

I don't want it to be as stupid as Transformers, either...

[The Guard]

I had him as the main villain in 2, and then he's sort of revealed as the "big bad" behind Zod's escape from the Phantom Zone in SUPERMAN 3.

[Nathan]

And what makes you think that it could remotely steer into that territory?

[I Am The Knight]

It's not like a Supervillain's only purpose in the flick is to make Superman break a sweat. If used correctly, a supervillain can serve to explore another side of the main character's nature.

[bunk]

And we need some new characterizations. Lois with spunk, Clark not just being a bumbling douche and Luthor not going after real-estate.

How do you want Clark portrayed then? Remember, he can't be Superman with a different get up, he really should act different too. I don't want the animated series version of Clark.

Now, I could see Superman go up against something as vicious as the Cloverfield monster, if the backstory and action were made to be realistic. LexCorp creating a huge genetic weapon that can crush cities and grant Lex the advantage and power he desires, while also killing Superman.

Superman fighting a huge monster would be soooo badass.

[fabman]

That doesn't have anything to do with the topic, but there were actually people on these boards who wanted Superman to be like Transformers, once that flick was released last year.

"Transformers was fun. Superman has to be like Transformers". I actually read that a lot on those boards...

[dark_b]

TF has stupid action?

[Nathan]

How do you want Clark portrayed then? Remember, he can't be Superman with a different get up, he really should act different too. I don't want the animated series version of Clark.

I actually like the animated version of Clark. I even like the version from the TV series "Lois & Clark". Clark isn't the different character, Superman is. He was raised as Clark Kent, a confident kid. Sure, he shouldn't make too much of a fuzz to not raise any suspicion, but he also shouldn't act like someone who can't tie his shoes.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I actually like the animated version of Clark. I even like the version from the TV series "Lois & Clark". Clark isn't the different character, Superman is. He was raised as Clark Kent, a confident kid. Sure, he shouldn't make too much of a fuzz to not raise any suspicion, but he also shouldn't act like someone who can't tie his shoes.:up:

[fabman]

I actually like the animated version of Clark. I even like the version from the TV series "Lois & Clark". Clark isn't the different character, Superman is. He was raised as Clark Kent, a confident kid. Sure, he shouldn't make too much of a fuzz to not raise any suspicion, but he also shouldn't act like someone who can't tie his shoes.

Yup. Agreed.

[El Payaso]

TF has stupid action?

I thought the action was the only non stupid part of it.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

^Agreed.

[bunk]

I actually like the animated version of Clark. I even like the version from the TV series "Lois & Clark". Clark isn't the different character, Superman is. He was raised as Clark Kent, a confident kid. Sure, he shouldn't make too much of a fuzz to not raise any suspicion, but he also shouldn't act like someone who can't tie his shoes.

TAS version is basically the same as Superman himself. You have to give the movie audience something to work with. I don't see how you can make a leap from social awkward and clumsy to stupid or incompetent with the Donner version. One thing he does need to be, is an actual reporter. I'd like to see him actually working on a story for once.

[bunk]

I thought the action was the only non stupid part of it.

Luckily, that was all that was required of it. Much like the cartoon.

[El Payaso]

Luckily, that was all that was required of it. Much like the cartoon.

It was all that was required, yes. Sadly, they decided to include much other stuff. :(

[bunk]

It was all that was required, yes. Sadly, they decided to include much other stuff. :(

Really? What else is there? Humor I guess. Not my kind, but the audience I was in seemed to like it.

[Nathan]

TAS version is basically the same as Superman himself. You have to give the movie audience something to work with. I don't see how you can make a leap from social awkward and clumsy to stupid or incompetent with the Donner version. One thing he does need to be, is an actual reporter. I'd like to see him actually working on a story for once.

And as a reporter you should exhibit a bit of confidence or guts. I could never buy the Donner version of Clark as a news reporter.

Clark just needs to be your casual co-worker. Not being some kind of hot-shot that always gets into trouble, but also not the complete opposite. It'd be nice to get a nice middle ground.

I'd already completely happy if he'd be like the Dean Cain version. Clark in the movies needs to be more than just the clumsy disguise.

[solidsnake86]

Ya they do have to go the supervillain route. It amazes me that people complain about SR especially luthor being the same and in the same breath state that they want luthor done in the reboot just done post-crisis. There's no doubt luthor will be in the series, but I would bet that he will show up along side either parasite, metalo, bizarro, or maybe even doomsday.

Luthor is a great character if done properly but needs to be given a rest. Introducing him in this one briefly could set up an interesting sequel that can equal TDK level if people are that sure that he is superman's number 1 villain. Make him metropolis's hero and have it get taken away in the sequel. This reboot needs brainiac and I really don't see how they can get around that because he is the perfect villain to tell kryptons story as well.

[Showtime]

Yes, Yes, and Yes. No question about it.

[Hole Shot]

Okay, I know I might get flamed for opening this thread, but I want to ask you:

Do they have to go the supervillain route in the Superman Reboot?

You know, what I mean by supervillains is characters such as Metallo and Brainiac.

I mean, if we see Superman for the first time in the Reboot, I think that he should be seen as a threat by the citizens, with Lex Luthor going after him and trying to show the people that he's nothing more than a threat to humans.

Of course, Superman should kick some ass. They could go after him with advanced / alien technology, ultimately transforming Metropolis into a war zone.

I don't know it the reboot could work without supervillains such as Metallo and Braniac. What do you think?


I'm gathering that a lof of people would just like to see Birthright adapted to live action to reboot the story. Which I don't think would be a bad thing and wouldn't be surprised if it does serve as a big influence.

But we're also getting a new origin story again the comics, so...

[El Payaso]

Really? What else is there?

Everything that was no action naturally.

Humor I guess.

If we can call it like that.

the audience I was in seemed to like it.

Common sense is the least common of senses. That's why bad movies sometimes succeed.

[8wid]

Here's one alternative to a supervillain. The monster is not mine.

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/2040/sinqi8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/sinqi8.jpg/1/w581.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img502/sinqi8.jpg/1/)

[8wid]

Superman hasn't always had supervillains. In that case, it's always possible to have something else. Here is someone's speculative concept art for the Cloverfield monster with a few add ons by me, it would be awesome to see him go up something like against this.

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/2040/sinqi8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/sinqi8.jpg/1/w581.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img502/sinqi8.jpg/1/)

[Compi716]

^Wwwwwwwhat is that?

[I Am The Knight]

Superman hasn't always had supervillains. In that case, it's always possible to have something else. Here is someone's speculative concept art for the Cloverfield monster with a few add ons by me, it would be awesome to see him go up something like against this.

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/2040/sinqi8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/sinqi8.jpg/1/w581.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img502/sinqi8.jpg/1/)

So that's how the Cloverfield monster looks like. It does have a striking resemblance to Sin, like those people were saying.

[dark_b]

i think one of the big reasons why we need an alien supervillain is because well............superman is an alien.
i understand that some people want LL and some intergangbang. but this is superman. there are no limits.

fabman i think i sense fear in you. :) dont be afraid that this movie could become a brainless popcorn movie. because it will hehehe

[GreenKToo]

We got the ''no supervillain thing'' with S.R.
If they went the same route with the reboot and had no supervillain yet again, then IMO it would/will be a disaster. Well, maybe not a complete disaster, but it would prolly make the same or less than S.R. made at the B.O., and we all know how that ended up.

[dark_b]

We got the ''no supervillain thing'' with S.R.
If they went the same route with the reboot and had no supervillain yet again, then IMO it would/will be a disaster. Well, maybe not a complete disaster, but it would prolly make the same or less than S.R. made at the B.O., and we all know how that ended up.i expect a bomb. i think people just expected more action in SR.

how would you even promote the new superman? LL again ?
lets see what money shots they would use :
-good bye superman
-people with machine guns firing at superman. bouncing bullets
-superman lifting
-superman throwing
-superman cathing
-lois in danger
-....

[Venom'sDad]

Okay, I know I might get flamed for opening this thread, but I want to ask you:

Do they have to go the supervillain route in the Superman Reboot?

You know, what I mean by supervillains is characters such as Metallo and Brainiac.

I mean, if we see Superman for the first time in the Reboot, I think that he should be seen as a threat by the citizens, with Lex Luthor going after him and trying to show the people that he's nothing more than a threat to humans.

Of course, Superman should kick some ass. They could go after him with advanced / alien technology, ultimately transforming Metropolis into a war zone.

I don't know it the reboot could work without supervillains such as Metallo and Braniac. What do you think? Yes... they have to sell this film as being much more different from the first 5 with real supervillains.

[Paradyme]

No offense but what a terrible question. Of course he does. I'm tired of him not having a real match. The movies have all had the same type of scenes. "Holy crap it's Superman!" scene, the "Kick the crap out of Superman using Kryptonite" scene, etc.

So, yes he needs a supervillian. I want to see the man fight, damnitt. Not just fly fast and lift things.

[8wid]

The 1950s comics invented villains to kill. Up until the 1960s there really was no firm rogues gallery. Isn't acceptable just to have giant monsters, global disasters, or world problems to defeat?
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b107/Nik_TehPimpXor/Supermonster.jpg

[NotFadeAway]

BRANIAC BRANIAC BRANIAC!!

Origin story, Superman vs. Braniac, with Braniac in the physical form of Jor-El.

[kalelkilla]

Well, I really believe they should have a Supervillain in the next movie, but I am not convinced they HAVE to have one. Mark Millar's Birthright shows how you can have a great Superman story with a lot of action without having one singular supervillain. It shows Superman fighting a lot of alien "supervillains" but the real force behind the evil is Lex Luthor...a human. Jeph Loeb's Superman For All Seasons is similar in which Lex again is behind "super robots" trying to take the place of Superman. These are both great Comic archs that could be used for the movie. Also, I forget the specific comic, but it was essentially the "out dated" Superman vs a gang of "cool" and ultraviolent supervillains (think X-Men gone bad) and Superman of course stops the gangs, showing his supreme power. Any of these comics would be a great backbone to a new Superman movie.

[Crook]

BirthRight was by Mark Waid. Anyway, yes that's what I've been saying as well. You don't need a "supervillain" per se, but you do need superpowered battles (not with inanimate objects).

[I SEE SPIDEY]

When do you think we should see a Supervillain? Never? The next movie after the first? The last movie? Should Superman's rogue gallery from the comics ever make it too the big screen? If not, then why do you think so?

[Crook]

Who are you asking? :huh:

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Who are you asking? :huh:You and anybody else who doesn't want or think that the next movie needs a Supervillain.

[newmexneon]

I still think the Metallo origin from the Animated Series would be great for a movie.

[Nathan]

The only thing I wouldn't like about it, is that he would be using Kryptonite too trying to beat Superman. I want a villain that doesn't need to rely on it.

[Crook]

You and anybody else who doesn't want or think that the next movie needs a Supervillain.
The sequel would be the obvious answer. I just don't think we NEED to blow our load early by using up a supervillain for a reboot. The only thing that's necessary is Superman fighting a powerful force. BR was a good example, because technically all he ever did were fight humans, but it was one helluva epic battle.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I loved SR and that never had a super-villain so no, I dont think its necessary, but it is seemingly what the masses want, so i think WB will give that to them.

[Sam]

One thing he does need to be, is an actual reporter. I'd like to see him actually working on a story for once.

dammit. Warner should go with my script! U guys would get so many things u want! hehehe :)

Warner, give me a chance to show u my script!!! lol

[Matt]

1) Yes, they need a supervillain. Metallo would preferable. Braniac and Darkseid are sequel material. Metallo can be a good henchman villain of Lex (who also needs to be a focus. You cannot have Superman without Lex Luthor).

2) This post is amazing.

And as a reporter you should exhibit a bit of confidence or guts. I could never buy the Donner version of Clark as a news reporter.

Clark just needs to be your casual co-worker. Not being some kind of hot-shot that always gets into trouble, but also not the complete opposite. It'd be nice to get a nice middle ground.

I'd already completely happy if he'd be like the Dean Cain version. Clark in the movies needs to be more than just the clumsy disguise.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

1) Yes, they need a supervillain. Metallo would preferable. Braniac and Darkseid are sequel material. Metallo can be a good henchman villain of Lex (who also needs to be a focus. You cannot have Superman without Lex Luthor).

2) This post is amazing.And we agree on both things...again.

[Matt]

And we agree on both things...again.

No suprise there :up:

In all honesty, I hate the idea of "leaving Lex out." Hell, I'm looking forward to seeing a modern day Lex Luthor just as much as I am a modern day, post-crisis Superman on the big screen.

[Nathan]

Lex definitely needs to be there. But a super punch-out is also a must. Metallo would probably be the best solution, although I hate Kryptonite. First Superman fights people using hightech equipment, then Superman faces somebody being turned hightech.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^I think Lex and Metallo being the villains for movie 1 would be more than sufficient. The likes of Brainiac, Darkseid, Mongul, Doomsday, etc should be saved for sequels IMO.

[dark_b]

with metallo you get kryptonite. so we will reboot the superman franchise and then make the same mistakes?
this would be like TIH.

[Sam]

with metallo you get kryptonite. so we will reboot the superman franchise and then make the same mistakes?
this would be like TIH.

If Warner goes with a reboot, there is nothing they can do. Movie need to have all basic elements of Superman mitology, such as Krypton, Lois, Lex, kryptonite, where his powers come from, etc, etc. All the elements need to be reintroduced.

Btw, a lot of ppl say the THE INCREDIBLE HULK was a reboot. Sorry to desagree. Its wasnt. Just had other actors playing the characters. Audience can preety much see it as a sequel. Nothing there says it is a reboot.

If Warner does a reboot, THEY NEED TO SELL IT AS A REBOOT. Make it CLAER for everyone. They are going to the theater to see a new franchise, not just another movie with different actor.

[dark_b]

If Warner goes with a reboot, there is nothing they can do. Movie need to have all basic elements of Superman mitology, such as Krypton, Lois, Lex, kryptonite, where his powers come from, etc, etc. All the elements need to be reintroduced.

Btw, a lot of ppl say the THE INCREDIBLE HULK was a reboot. Sorry to desagree. Its wasnt. Just had other actors playing the characters. Audience can preety much see it as a sequel. Nothing there says it is a reboot.

If Warner does a reboot, THEY NEED TO SELL IT AS A REBOOT. Make it CLAER for everyone. They are going to the theater to see a new franchise, not just another movie with different actor.why do i care what other people think?

TIH is an official reboot. if they didnt promote the movie the right way than this is their problem not mine.

[Sam]

why do i care what other people think?

TIH is an official reboot. if they didnt promote the movie the right way than this is their problem not mine.

hmm.. why the attack?

I know it is an official reboot. What I was saying is that Marvel didnt sell it right. Moive could be seeing as a sequel, since nothing there make clear it was a reboot. Heck, movie even started in Brazil, where the previous one ends.

I didnt desagree with u or anything. I was just making a point. Relax :)

[GreenKToo]

For the first film, I say Lex ( a given), Metallo, and Brainiac. This Lex NEEDS to be the Lex from the comics. A blend of the Lex-corp Lex, scientist Lex, and evil genius Lex.
Have Lex create Metallo after he is unsuccessful in trying to off Superman using other means ( intergang).

Brainiac ( the Kryptonarian Brainiac) detects the struggle between the two superpowered beings from space and comes to investigate.

[dark_b]

hmm.. why the attack?

I know it is an official reboot. What I was saying is that Marvel didnt sell it right. Moive could be seeing as a sequel, since nothing there make clear it was a reboot. Heck, movie even started in Brazil, where the previous one ends.

I didnt desagree with u or anything. I was just making a point. Relax :)
and my point is that if people bashed that in SR it was all about defeating superman with kryptonite then it makes no sense to have a villain that has a kryptonite-heart.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

and my point is that if people bashed that in SR it was all about defeating superman with kryptonite then it makes no sense to have a villain that has a kryptonite-heart.I disagree. He would actually be fighting Metallo and thats what I want to see a fight. Kyrptonite is apart of Superman's mythology so I don't want it totally snuffed out.

[dark_b]

I disagree. He would actually be fighting Metallo and thats what I want to see a fight. Kyrptonite is apart of Superman's mythology so I don't want it totally snuffed out.fact is that with metallo you get 100% a scene like with lex. sueprman on the floor without hes powers and some cliche talking.
again metallo defeats sueprman with kryptonite. without it suepramn owns metallo.

i just want an alien that doesn need kryptonite

[I Am The Knight]

with metallo you get kryptonite. so we will reboot the superman franchise and then make the same mistakes?
this would be like TIH.

If you don't want Kryptonite in the movie you might as well have Krypton not exploding. There's no real reason why it can't be used.

I disagree. He would actually be fighting Metallo and thats what I want to see a fight. Kyrptonite is apart of Superman's mythology so I don't want it totally snuffed out.

Correct.

[Nathan]

Even though I agree that using Kryptonite to defeat Superman would be redundant, I also can't deny that it's part of the Superman Mythos.

Metallo and Superman could actually have a long fight, before Metallo decides to use the Kryptonite because he knows his strength alone isn't enough to defeat Superman. And maybe in order to defeat Metallo, Superman could lure him to a lead factory and set a trap. Managing to pour liquid lead over Metallo and thus protecting him from the radiation.

[NeoRanger]

I disagree. He would actually be fighting Metallo and thats what I want to see a fight. Kyrptonite is apart of Superman's mythology so I don't want it totally snuffed out.

While this is true and it certainly will have more impact than the rocks in SR, dark_b isn't completely off; one of the main issues the general public has with Superman is the belief that he is unchallenged, unless a situation involves a little piece of green meteorite. They tend to put down Superman for that, a lot. I think that's what he was referring to.

[Strange]

I think in the reboot Lex needs to be in there. As far as Brainiac and Metallo both might be a little much. Lex is probably Superman's biggest enemy but not really up for a fight. So he looks into where Superman may have come from and somehow comes across Brainiac. He uses Brainiac, which he thinks is only alien tech that he can control and then it gets out of hand. So we get lex and we also get Superman and Brainiac fighting it out.

[Sawyer]

If we get another movie of just Lex (not saying to rule him out), I might kill somebody.

Superman has a great rogues gallery, and its a crime that, aside from ol' Lex and Zod, none of them have been used.

I want Brainiac. I want Metallo. I want Parasite. I want it all.