What should Krypton look like?

[Black Zodak]

Ok... If this "Reboot" ends up being an origin movie, and we (possibly) get to see Krypton in the film, what would you want the planet to look like? An cold ice world like we got in the old movies? An evolved planet similar to Earth? Like in the classic comic books (colorful and bright, with cities filled with art-deco towers?)

If you could choose the type of world you would want Krypton to look like, what type of world would you choose?

[Rogzilla]

I think something like the comic books now. An influence from the Donner films but not as cold.

[SuperDaniel]

I want to see something totally diferent from Donner's. I kinda want to see Byrne's Krypton.

[DavidTyler]

I want to see something totally diferent from Donner's. I kinda want to see Byrne's Krypton.

And I second that...

Byrne's Krypton on the big screen would be amazing.

Maybe even the best science fiction landscape on film since the better Star Wars vistas.

[Hole Shot]

Maybe something like Donner's but above ground. I'd like to see an actual city but an alien city rather than something that could be a futuristic/alternate idea of earth. Make it clear that it's built with completely different materials and architecture that doesn't remind us of anything - That's what was great about Donner's Krypton.

[Kurosawa]

Art-deco all the way, as Joe and Jerry intended it to be.

[CGHulk]

Art-deco all the way, as Joe and Jerry intended it to be.
Yup that sounds about right!

[protocida]

The current Krypton.

[GoblinWhirlwind]

I've always envisioned Krypton as looking similiar to Alderaan. Beautiful scenery mixed with high tech cities.

I wouldn't mind it looking like it did in Birthright.

[TruerToTheCore]

Like paradise.

[GoblinWhirlwind]

Exactly.

[Crook]

I definitely don't want it looking remotely like our world, that's for sure. Something very other-wordly, like a techno-organic society.

Just something advanced. :o

[Excel]

http://ist-socrates.berkeley.edu/~adityaj/frivolous/limericks/images/3_naboo.jpg



http://screenshots.playwhat.com/files/ubisoftp/nivald/homm5/Screenshots/homm5_9.jpg


http://www.swg1.net/encyclo/images/naboo.jpg

[batlovescatDC]

^ What is that from? Looks pretty cool, but I don't think it would work for Krypton.


Anyways, I agree with going completely Art Deco....... and completely, totally different from Donner's. Like I've said so many times in all of these threads.... I'll say it until I'm blue in the face.... EVERYTHING needs to be different if this is going to be a true reboot.

[Eggyman]

It's from Star Wars - featured most heavily in The Phantom Menace.

[The Sage]

A highly, advanced, beautiful utopia.

[X-Maniac]

I imagine it as a paradise, utopian and beautiful, though it might have different types of terrain/climate like Earth rather than a uniform appearance all over. I imagine it became a barren icy world after some kind of disaster or because of something to do with the changing sun.

[Cain]

In terms of aesthetics I'd like a balance between golden/silver age krypton and Byrne's krypton. In terms of characterization of residents and planet history I'd like them to draw from the post-Infinite Crisis take on krypton. Non being Jor-El's lobotomized former mentor kicks ass among other things.

[Lightning54SC]

http://www.wizards.com/starwars/images/starwars/coruscant_part_1.jpg
http://www.wallpaperlinks.be/img/mes_wall/sw02-city01-1024.jpg

[dark_sentinel]

I just read The Last Days of Krypton by Kevin J. Anderson. he takes elements from Gold, Silver, and Modern Eras, as well as Donner's crystal idea. It all flows together very nicely, and could work on film.

[Franklin Richards]

Double Post... friggin' Hype.


:doom: :doom: :doom:

[Franklin Richards]

Detroit.


:doom: :doom: :doom:

[MichaelEsquire]

If Superman: Birthright is used as an influence or the film is adapted from it, then I see that Krypton is full of highly futuristic technology that is practically all hologram computer interfaced. Bryne's imagining combined with something like that could work.

[Steelsheen]

http://ist-socrates.berkeley.edu/~adityaj/frivolous/limericks/images/3_naboo.jpg



http://screenshots.playwhat.com/files/ubisoftp/nivald/homm5/Screenshots/homm5_9.jpg


http://www.swg1.net/encyclo/images/naboo.jpg

^ What is that from? .

its the planet Naboo from Star Wars (where Queen Amidala is from).

[GoblinWhirlwind]

I love Naboo, but just not for Krypton. Like I said, Alderaan is pretty much what I was thinking.

[Crook]

Krypton should have it's own identity. If people are going "oh, that looks like a planet from Star Wars", then they've failed.

[dark_b]

i know that people will attack me. but in star wars you have humans from earth with aliens. so its obvious that human arhitecture will be influenced.

but why would krypton on the other side of the universe have buildings

[GoblinWhirlwind]

They're humanoids, of course they're going to build shelters of some sort. If ancient humans are going to do it, then of course a greatly advanced race will also do it.

[dark_b]

ok maybe buildings was the wrong word.

but it should not look like its from earth. thats why in S:TM it looked so alien.

[GoblinWhirlwind]

I've always hated the crystalline look. It'd be cool if it were mixed with other materials, but not just solely by itself.

[dark_b]

its not liked today. but it is very different.

its really hard IMO to make an alien city with kryptonians and not make it like its from star wars.

[Crook]

That's assuming SW-style is the only way to make an alien world. You'd have to have pretty limited imagination or lack of viewing other media to state such a thing.

[dark_b]

That's assuming SW-style is the only way to make an alien world. You'd have to have pretty limited imagination or lack of viewing other media to state such a thing.give me some examples.
you have a lot of future city pics on the internet.
make it alien without the influence from our world.

[Crook]

Why would you assume it'd be wholly different from our architecture? They're humanoids and logically speaking they'd probably build objects close to how we would, only their works would be far more advanced.

[dark_b]

Why would you assume it'd be wholly different from our architecture? They're humanoids and logically speaking they'd probably build objects close to how we would, only their works would be far more advanced.
this is not how this works but OK maybe in a movie it could work.

[ironman29758]

a mixture of Krypton's

John Bryne's Krypton, Birthright Krypton, Donner/Singer Krypton, the Superman Tas Krypton, Smallville's Krypton, Geof John's Krypton, Superman's Red Son Krypton/earth, the Silver Age Krypton, LOSH Krypton/Kandor, Early Seigel and Shushter Krypton

[MattBearPig]

Sort of like a very advanced and bustling city but instead of having trees and bushes and things like that, they have different colored crystals. It should look like a place you'd want to live and the whole "cold/emotionless" Byrne Krypton doesn't seem very tragic when it explodes because their way of life was really horrible.

[DavidTyler]

Sort of like a very advanced and bustling city but instead of having trees and bushes and things like that, they have different colored crystals. It should look like a place you'd want to live and the whole "cold/emotionless" Byrne Krypton doesn't seem very tragic when it explodes because their way of life was really horrible.


The reason Byrne's Krypton is tragic isn't soley because the planets demise but because they had become so cold and sterile. The planets death was the final closure to it. It was the motivation for Jor-El to rescue Kal-El and send him off to, hopefully, a better life.

You see, Krypton blowing up is sad because it could have been much more. It had the technology, it had the intelligence, it had Jor-El who could have been a champion of the return to greatness... but it's all lost now. Jor-El's one hope is that Kal-El will live the kind of life that bespeaks the kind of greatness that the father had hoped he could bring to Krypton. It's a more adult approach rather than having Kal-El spend his life crying over the death of a planet he never knew.


edit: NO TO THE CRYSTAL FOREST. What do Kryptonians eat? Quartz? Krypton has to have vegetation and animal life. Not just for food... but vegetation creates atmosphere... animals imply evolution...like how the Kryptonians evolved into men and women.

[DavidTyler]

Krypton should have it's own identity. If people are going "oh, that looks like a planet from Star Wars", then they've failed.

My scanner isn't working....

Can someone please post a picture of Byrne's golden city spires of Krypton?

Until then, here's a brief description:

visualize a golden horn like the angels would use with it's fluted side resting on the ground below while it's shaft shot hundreds of miles into the sky. The shaft has many verticle segments through which you can see the city components within. Tall inner structures shooting up as tall as the outside -laced with windows, decks, and transport tubes. You can see activity -flying vehicles and the like - within. It gleams in the sunlight. In the distance you can see several other tall, golden city spires and they all rest in unspoiled green landscapes with living flaura and fauna. It's as if the Kryptonians had finally come to peace with their environment in a way we would hope to be able to in our future.

[Excel]

Krypton should have it's own identity. If people are going "oh, that looks like a planet from Star Wars", then they've failed.

Obviously not EXACTLY like that, but it should be similar. Think acient Roman/Greek style buldings with ultra advanced technology.

[M.O.Steel]

no ice planet. the FoS should have that architecture, but the entire krypton doesn't need to be.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Something that has nothing to do with Donner's Krypton.

[Steelsheen]

just to be a little different, what about some nice crystalline structures reminiscent (but not exactly like) of the Fortress but set in the cloud planet like Bespin?

[dark_b]

what about a city that reflects itself? like a liquid silver like mateiral . something that is interesting for the eyes.
and maybe some colorfull sky. b

[MichaelEsquire]

Krypton will be seen the way it's described in the script. Since there is none yet and none of us have any influence on that (unless they buy my treatment...yes, I laughed at that statement to), we don't know what it will end up being. I'm sure that we all agree and I'm pretty sure that Warner Brothers will agree that we move on from anything Donner did since it is a reboot which means starting from scratch as if the other movies didn't exist.

[hippie_hunter]

Do a combination of the modern Krypton (which itself is a combination of the Silver Age and Donner Kryptons) and TAS Krypton.

[GoblinWhirlwind]

no ice planet. the FoS should have that architecture, but the entire krypton doesn't need to be.

Personally, I like the Fortress to look how it was in Justice. Just a grand palace, filled with things Superman has collected that are important to him.

[afan]

Keep in mind that the look of Krypton should also be indicative of a society that is fairly restrictive to creative thinking by individuals as it is the refusal on the part of the planet's ruling authority to accept Jor-el's conclusions that doomed them.

Donner's Kryptonian design certainly accomplished that feeling. Though the ice palace look is not necessary, the architecture and living quarters of Krypton's cities should be uniformly restrictive and somewhat un inspired by artistic innovations.

Utopian societies usually include a freedom and acceptance of creative thought. A design concept based on a utopia would seem incongruous with the severe un-acceptance of the findings of Krypton's leading scientist.

[TruerToTheCore]

Keep in mind that the look of Krypton should also be indicative of a society that is fairly restrictive to creative thinking by individuals as it is the refusal on the part of the planet's ruling authority to accept Jor-el's conclusions that doomed them.

No. The destruction of Krypton should be a kind of almost-impossible event, so the refusal to believe it should make some sense.


Utopian societies usually include a freedom and acceptance of creative thought. A design concept based on a utopia would seem incongruous with the severe un-acceptance of the findings of Krypton's leading scientist.

Krypton is supposed to be Earth turned into an utopia.

Paradise lost. You know.

[Ultimate_Superman]

To be honest if this is to be a new movie with a new origin I kind of like Mark Goerner design for Krypton.

http://www.grnr.com/images_gallery/grnr_com_krypton_cool.jpg

http://www.grnr.com/images_gallery/grnr_com_krypton_warm.jpg

http://www.grnr.com/images_gallery/grnr_com_precicpice_reverse.jpg

http://www.grnr.com/images_gallery/grnr_com_precipice2.jpg

http://www.grnr.com/images_gallery/grnr_com_precipice_statue.jpg

http://www.grnr.com/images_gallery/grnr_com_jorel_plaza_detail.jpg

[dark_b]

looks like star wars

[StarvingArtist]

I'd like to see a totally different, radical approach taken for visualizing krypton. Nix the idea of kryptonians looking like headband wearing, cloak draped humans. Superman comes from an alien planet, so I'd like to see an alien planet, along with a species that shares only specific similarities with humans....looks not being one of them.

If not this idea, then Bryne's krypton could be cool.

[TruerToTheCore]

I'd like to see a totally different, radical approach taken for visualizing krypton. Nix the idea of kryptonians looking like headband wearing, cloak draped humans. Superman comes from an alien planet, so I'd like to see an alien planet, along with a species that shares only specific similarities with humans....looks not being one of them.

If not this idea, then Bryne's krypton could be cool.

Krypton IS Earth-turned-Paradise! Kryptonians are basically advanced humans!

[TruerToTheCore]

To be honest if this is to be a new movie with a new origin I kind of like Mark Goerner design for Krypton.

http://www.grnr.com/images_gallery/grnr_com_krypton_cool.jpg

http://www.grnr.com/images_gallery/grnr_com_krypton_warm.jpg

http://www.grnr.com/images_gallery/grnr_com_precicpice_reverse.jpg

http://www.grnr.com/images_gallery/grnr_com_precipice2.jpg

http://www.grnr.com/images_gallery/grnr_com_precipice_statue.jpg

http://www.grnr.com/images_gallery/grnr_com_jorel_plaza_detail.jpg

That's actually not bad at all. A little bit brighter and it would fit.

[MichaelEsquire]

Krypton should look like a planet that goes boom...eventually.

[StarvingArtist]

Krypton IS Earth-turned-Paradise! Kryptonians are basically advanced humans!

...Why does it have to be? There are more creative possibilities then just assuming Superman's home planet is exactly like Earth's. It's too earth centric in my opinion. I want to see something different while retaining the key elements. Jor-el knows that the planet will explode and he sends his only son to earth to save him. Those are the only narrative contstraints. The rest is details.

[batman44]

Mark Goerner designs are ideal.

[Rust]

Something Roger Dean'esque maybe.


http://teacherweb.com/LA/JHMS/JBUSH/BlueDesert1024x768.jpg

http://teacherweb.com/LA/JHMS/JBUSH/GreenTower1280x1024.jpg

http://www.3rdaxis.org/Dan's_page/YES/Roger%20Dean/images/yessongs_jpg.jpg

http://teacherweb.com/LA/JHMS/JBUSH/FreyjasCastle1024x768.jpg

[I Am The Knight]

To be honest if this is to be a new movie with a new origin I kind of like Mark Goerner design for Krypton.

http://www.grnr.com/images_gallery/grnr_com_krypton_cool.jpg

http://www.grnr.com/images_gallery/grnr_com_krypton_warm.jpg

http://www.grnr.com/images_gallery/grnr_com_precicpice_reverse.jpg

http://www.grnr.com/images_gallery/grnr_com_precipice2.jpg

http://www.grnr.com/images_gallery/grnr_com_precipice_statue.jpg

http://www.grnr.com/images_gallery/grnr_com_jorel_plaza_detail.jpg

Is that from Superman Lives or something like Flyby? It looks awesome.

[Rust]

Looks too busy IMO. I'd like something less Coruscant/metropolis-like and more Naboo-like, more vibrant, harmonic and peaceful. At least Kandor should appear like this.

http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/6/6d/Theed_spaceport.jpg

[SuperDaniel]

^I love that look too.

[SuperDaniel]

Looks too busy IMO. I'd like something less Coruscant/metropolis-like and more Naboo-like, more vibrant, harmonic and peaceful. At least Kandor should appear like this.

http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/6/6d/Theed_spaceport.jpg
But that doesn't look advanced at all to me. Krypton should look very advanced, IMO.

[Rust]

But that doesn't look advanced at all to me. Krypton should look very advanced, IMO.

Ok, but the Goerner-stuff is just too cold and futuristic IMO. And not very spectacular/exiting/original.
It should look advanced without looking too fituristic or manmade. Something equal to the Donner-Krypton.

[Spider-Fan83]

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/9016/tarisxw4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[SuperDaniel]

Hell no to Donner's Krypton.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Ok, but the Goerner-stuff is just too cold and futuristic IMO. And not very spectacular/exiting/original.
It should look advanced without looking too fituristic or manmade. Something equal to the Donner-Krypton.
Krypton should look futuristic because they are so more advance then us. I mean it has to look some what futuristic because they were able to send Superman here. All you have to do is brighten it up a little bit and that is really how Krypton IMO should look. What Donner had was cold looking although I liked; it was still cold looking. This is more a long the lines of Birthright and Man of Steel.

[Rust]

Hell no to Donner's Krypton.

That's not what I said either.

[SuperDaniel]

Krypton should look futuristic. But i want to see more to it than just the capital city. The other landscapes would look more beautiful and elegant.

[Ultimate_Superman]

I wouldn't mind seeing what Goerner did as the capital city where the counsel takes place and all or make it into Kandor but for where Jor-el and Lara live I would like it to be outside the city and more beautiful and elegant.

[BATZARRO WWD]

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/9016/tarisxw4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Taris? Well, I would go with a more nature-like thing. But I love Taris!

[SuperDaniel]

I wouldn't mind seeming what Goerner as capital city where the counsel takes place and all or make it into Kandor but for where Jor-el and Lara live I would like it to be outside the city and more beautiful and elegant.
Yes. That would be nice to see. Something like TAS.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Yes. That would be nice to see. Something like TAS.Correct

[TruerToTheCore]

...Why does it have to be? There are more creative possibilities then just assuming Superman's home planet is exactly like Earth's. It's too earth centric in my opinion. I want to see something different while retaining the key elements. Jor-el knows that the planet will explode and he sends his only son to earth to save him. Those are the only narrative contstraints. The rest is details.

Superman is the Man of Tomorrow. Not the Alien of Tomorrow.

[SuperDaniel]

Superman is not a man.The irony is tha the most human person is an alien.

[StarvingArtist]

Superman is the Man of Tomorrow. Not the Alien of Tomorrow.

Semantics.

[TruerToTheCore]

Semantics.

It's part of the character. As soon as you make Krypton a place that "deserves to be blown up" and steal the humanity you loose.

[StarvingArtist]

It's part of the character. As soon as you make Krypton a place that "deserves to be blown up" and steal the humanity you loose.

When did I say anything about stealing krypton's humanity or vouch for krypton deserving to be blown up. Is that the limit of your imagination? I'm talking about letting loose creatively with the elements you can change without destroying the mythos. Keeping the kryptonians capacity for the human equivalent of empathy love and compassion while changing them into something a little bit more realistic as far as exterior appearances are concerned is a far cry from just making them emotionless piles of protoplasmic crap.

And I'm not saying Superman should look like an alien either. Just regular, un-altered, non-special kryponians existing on their native planet.

[SuperDaniel]

^Yes.

[TheBat812]

And I second that...

Byrne's Krypton on the big screen would be amazing.

Maybe even the best science fiction landscape on film since the better Star Wars vistas.
Blade Runner > Star Wars.

[Crook]

BR has amazing landscapes, but SW created actual worlds. The sheer scope and vast variety of visuals presented in those films are just unmatched.

[DavidTyler]

To be honest if this is to be a new movie with a new origin I kind of like Mark Goerner design for Krypton.

http://www.grnr.com/images_gallery/grnr_com_krypton_cool.jpg

http://www.grnr.com/images_gallery/grnr_com_krypton_warm.jpg

http://www.grnr.com/images_gallery/grnr_com_precicpice_reverse.jpg

http://www.grnr.com/images_gallery/grnr_com_precipice2.jpg

http://www.grnr.com/images_gallery/grnr_com_precipice_statue.jpg

http://www.grnr.com/images_gallery/grnr_com_jorel_plaza_detail.jpg

I do like these a lot.

[manofsteel4life]

I do like these a lot.
me to...http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

[Thinkton]

You gotta remember Superman Fortress of Solitude represents superman home at the artic.

[SuperDaniel]

http://www.dylancolestudio.com/

http://www.dylancolestudio.com/sketches/images/RedStarCheese.jpg

[Batspider77]

It should have strange Alien Forests like the Star Wars Planet felucia

http://www.starwars.com/databank/location/felucia/index.html

and of course big Hightec Citys and maybe some kind of Pyramids or maya like Buildings.

[hammy]

Ok... If this "Reboot" ends up being an origin movie, and we (possibly) get to see Krypton in the film, what would you want the planet to look like? An cold ice world like we got in the old movies? An evolved planet similar to Earth? Like in the classic comic books (colorful and bright, with cities filled with art-deco towers?)

If you could choose the type of world you would want Krypton to look like, what type of world would you choose?

Definitely not the ice world. I do like Goerner's concept, but I'd prefer it not be quite so futuristic looking. I'd like that concept but for it to look more like earth and be colorful and bright.

[DavidTyler]

To be honest if this is to be a new movie with a new origin I kind of like Mark Goerner design for Krypton.

http://www.grnr.com/images_gallery/grnr_com_krypton_cool.jpg

http://www.grnr.com/images_gallery/grnr_com_krypton_warm.jpg

http://www.grnr.com/images_gallery/grnr_com_precicpice_reverse.jpg

http://www.grnr.com/images_gallery/grnr_com_precipice2.jpg

http://www.grnr.com/images_gallery/grnr_com_precipice_statue.jpg

http://www.grnr.com/images_gallery/grnr_com_jorel_plaza_detail.jpg


What I think I like best about this is the futuristic alienness of it and that it's a pretty unique depiction that still recalls my beloved Byrne Krypton.

[TruerToTheCore]

I want to see the Scarlet Jungle.

[DavidTyler]

I want to see the Scarlet Jungle.

There is nothing that says the Scarlet Jungle can't be part of that artists conception.

[Metropolis_Man]

I really liked the style in "Last Son of Krypton" in the Superman Animated series

[Changeling]

Ehh..I don't know. I never did like their Krypton designs.

[The Batman]

The reason Byrne's Krypton is tragic isn't soley because the planets demise but because they had become so cold and sterile. The planets death was the final closure to it. It was the motivation for Jor-El to rescue Kal-El and send him off to, hopefully, a better life.

You see, Krypton blowing up is sad because it could have been much more. It had the technology, it had the intelligence, it had Jor-El who could have been a champion of the return to greatness... but it's all lost now. Jor-El's one hope is that Kal-El will live the kind of life that bespeaks the kind of greatness that the father had hoped he could bring to Krypton. It's a more adult approach rather than having Kal-El spend his life crying over the death of a planet he never knew.


edit: NO TO THE CRYSTAL FOREST. What do Kryptonians eat? Quartz? Krypton has to have vegetation and animal life. Not just for food... but vegetation creates atmosphere... animals imply evolution...like how the Kryptonians evolved into men and women.

Your post crisis bias is showing, and its hysterical

[DavidTyler]

Your post crisis bias is showing, and its hysterical

Really...?

So it's more realistic for you to cry over a relative you never knew you had?

Or is it because the Krypton in that later version isn't the simplistic, 1950's science fiction of the Silver Age?

YOUR Pre-crisis bias is showing?

And, having grown up during DC's Silver Age, I think I have a pretty clear perspective on that period in comix history. I'll take the more well thought out origin every time.

Yes, I have a bias... toward writing with more depth. I didn't grow up just reading comix.

[TruerToTheCore]

Your post crisis bias is showing, and its hysterical

You know: No hope & dark & dystopia = realistic

:hehe:

[DavidTyler]

You know: No hope & dark & dystopia = realistic

:hehe:

Cheery & bright & colourful & utopia = realistic?

:whatever:

If you bring anything down to it's simplest terms, it's going to sound weak.

The fact is that there is more depth to the post crisis Krypton than the pre.

Post crisis Krypton has a long history of bare chested, vibrant warriors with deep passions. Those warriors were celebrated and honored. They lived very exciting lives. More exciting than Birthright. A very tactile society. Then, as time passed, Krypton became more technologically advanced. The culture of Krypton began to become less physical and more cerebral which led to that society becoming less passionate in the ways of life and more so in the ways of learning. What sounds like a good thing at first has it's repercussions.... that same advanced society begins to disdain the pursuit of love and extroversion in favour of a more restrained life. Lives that could be approved of by the extreme right wing on our world. It was a tragedy in that it gave up the very thing that makes us want to live.

So, having said that - let's see you rebut with pre crisis Krypton's history and facts.

[DavidTyler]

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[TruerToTheCore]

Cheery & bright & colourful & utopia = realistic?

:whatever:

If you bring anything down to it's simplest terms, it's going to sound weak.

The fact is that there is more depth to the post crisis Krypton than the pre.

Post crisis Krypton has a long history of bare chested, vibrant warriors with deep passions. Those warriors were celebrated and honored. They lived very exciting lives. More exciting than Birthright. A very tactile society. Then, as time passed, Krypton became more technologically advanced. The culture of Krypton began to become less physical and more cerebral which led to that society becoming less passionate in the ways of life and more so in the ways of learning. What sounds like a good thing at first has it's repercussions.... that same advanced society begins to disdain the pursuit of love and extroversion in favour of a more restrained life. Lives that could be approved of by the extreme right wing on our world. It was a tragedy in that it gave up the very thing that makes us want to live.

So, having said that - let's see you rebut with pre crisis Krypton's history and facts.

And makes Superman in the end lucky that he could escape this hell. Sorry, it just doesn't do it for me. Some people can't live with some fantasy, can they?

[The Batman]

Really...?

So it's more realistic for you to cry over a relative you never knew you had?

Or is it because the Krypton in that later version isn't the simplistic, 1950's science fiction of the Silver Age?

YOUR Pre-crisis bias is showing?

And, having grown up during DC's Silver Age, I think I have a pretty clear perspective on that period in comix history. I'll take the more well thought out origin every time.

Yes, I have a bias... toward writing with more depth. I didn't grow up just reading comix.

You somehow think that how krypton is presented has some correlation to how clark feels about krypton...which makes NO DAMN SENSE, considering that Donner's krypton has the same cold sterile environment....and donner's Superman embraces his heritage, or else he wouldnt spend his time in the Fortress of Solitude listening to holograms of his parents

Crying over relatives he didnt know he had? Uh....that tends to happen when you've been ADOPTED...you kinda...I dunno...wonder about the place where you actually came from...and then, you continue to have a skewed view on pre crisis despite the fact that you've lived during the silver age....silver age clark didnt seem to cry so much to me...he was just a man that honored where he came from and also honored where he was going...how that is less adult than saying "Screw where my roots came from", baffles me...but then again...obviously, you're sadly biased. I dont have a pre crisis bias...Post Crisis offers great story complexity but most of the ideas were lacking...Pre crisis had concepts and ideas that were great, but shallow storytelling

And the main point of how biased and mind-bendingly ridculous your statement was is that what you said about "The tragedy of krypton"...can be pretty much said...about...every version of krypton...you pretentiously claim to be about depth, but you clearly cant see further than what's right in front of you if all you got from silver age krypton was "Durrrr, 1950's Sci fi"...when psycologists have written books based on research of silver age comics....

[The Batman]

Cheery & bright & colourful & utopia = realistic?

:whatever:

If you bring anything down to it's simplest terms, it's going to sound weak.

The fact is that there is more depth to the post crisis Krypton than the pre.

Post crisis Krypton has a long history of bare chested, vibrant warriors with deep passions. Those warriors were celebrated and honored. They lived very exciting lives. More exciting than Birthright. A very tactile society. Then, as time passed, Krypton became more technologically advanced. The culture of Krypton began to become less physical and more cerebral which led to that society becoming less passionate in the ways of life and more so in the ways of learning. What sounds like a good thing at first has it's repercussions.... that same advanced society begins to disdain the pursuit of love and extroversion in favour of a more restrained life. Lives that could be approved of by the extreme right wing on our world. It was a tragedy in that it gave up the very thing that makes us want to live.

So, having said that - let's see you rebut with pre crisis Krypton's history and facts.

So, you've lived through the silver age, and never heard of the 1979 mini series world of krypton?

Yeah...you're full of it...nothin to see here, folks...

[Bad Superman]

A mix of Byrne's and Goerner's FTW.

[TruerToTheCore]

You somehow think that how krypton is presented has some correlation to how clark feels about krypton...which makes NO DAMN SENSE, considering that Donner's krypton has the same cold sterile environment....and donner's Superman embraces his heritage, or else he wouldnt spend his time in the Fortress of Solitude listening to holograms of his parents

Crying over relatives he didnt know he had? Uh....that tends to happen when you've been ADOPTED...you kinda...I dunno...wonder about the place where you actually came from...and then, you continue to have a skewed view on pre crisis despite the fact that you've lived during the silver age....silver age clark didnt seem to cry so much to me...he was just a man that honored where he came from and also honored where he was going...how that is less adult than saying "Screw where my roots came from", baffles me...but then again...obviously, you're sadly biased. I dont have a pre crisis bias...Post Crisis offers great story complexity but most of the ideas were lacking...Pre crisis had concepts and ideas that were great, but shallow storytelling

And the main point of how biased and mind-bendingly ridculous your statement was is that what you said about "The tragedy of krypton"...can be pretty much said...about...every version of krypton...you pretentiously claim to be about depth, but you clearly cant see further than what's right in front of you if all you got from silver age krypton was "Durrrr, 1950's Sci fi"...when psycologists have written books based on research of silver age comics....

Hey, hey, don't cloud the issues with facts!

[SuperDaniel]

It is undeniable the fact that the post-crisis Krypton has waaaaaay more depth than pre-crisis and MUCH MORE cool designs ,wether you like this intepretations or not.

[TruerToTheCore]

It is undeniable the fact that the post-crisis Krypton has waaaaaay more depth than pre-crisis and MUCH MORE cool designs ,wether you like this intepretations or not.

Opinions.

[The Batman]

It is undeniable the fact that the post-crisis Krypton has waaaaaay more depth than pre-crisis and MUCH MORE cool designs ,wether you like this intepretations or not.

What you just said is pretty much contradictory...its like saying you hate mayonase, but mayonase tastes MUCH BETTER than chocolate...

Not to mention Tyler tries to imply that pre crisis krypton had NO depth to it...which is what i was disputing

how about we stop making blanket statements about pre crisis to show our love for post crisis? its really not needed...

[SuperDaniel]

WTf? Post-crisis has way more depth, history, cooler designs. Plus, IMO, the great thing about it is that IT SHOWS how MUCH MORE Earth is important to Superman.

Superman says in the end of World of Krypton.

"I've never really had the opportunity to run through this whole story before. Never put it all into words like this. I feel SAD, even FRUSTRATED for Jor-el. For Lara. There's a whole world of human feeling they never knew. Never even guessed. And I realize that was Jor-el's GIFT to me. What he gave me by sending me here. Not these super-powers. By sending me away from Krypton, Jor-el gave me the gift of HUMANITY."

To me, Byrne's Krypton is an AMAZING COMPLIMENT TO EARTH. Plus, how much of a pivotal role the Kents had in making Superman the man who is. The greatest irony of it all is that Superman is the most human alien ever. As he should, after all, he is an inspiration to all of us. The fact an alien cares so much about us, why can't we?

Plus, It has much more depth and a reason for the planet to explode. The fact that wars destroyed the planet's core, etc. And lets not mention the Eradicator, the amazing designs for Jor-el and Lara and the whole civilization, how they really look alien and different than human beings.

Post-crisis IS RICH, in a lot of more ways than pre-crsisis was, and that is UNDENIABLE.

I believe, however, that the movie Krypton should be a mix of both eras, like TAS.

[The Batman]

WTf? Post-crisis has way more depth, history, cooler designs. Plus, IMO, the great thing about it is that IT SHOWS how MUCH MORE Earth is important to Superman.

Superman says in the end of World of Krypton.

"I've never really had the opportunity to run through this whole story before. Never put it all into words like this. I feel SAD, even FRUSTRATED for Jor-el. For Lara. There's a whole world of human feeling they never knew. Never even guessed. And I realize that was Jor-el's GIFT to me. What he gave me by sending me here. Not these super-powers. By sending me away from Krypton, Jor-el gave me the gift of HUMANITY."

To me, Byrne's Krypton is an AMAZING COMPLIMENT TO EARTH. Plus, how much of a pivotal role the Kents had in making Superman the man who is. The greatest irony of it all is that Superman is the most human alien ever. As he should, after all, he is an inspiration to all of us. The fact an alien cares so much about us, why can't we?

Plus, It has much more depth and a reason for the planet to explode. The fact that wars destroyed the planet's core, etc. And lets not mention the Eradicator, the amazing designs for Jor-el and Lara and the whole civilization, how they really look alien and different than human beings.

Post-crisis IS RICH, in a lot of more ways than pre-crsisis was, and that is UNDENIABLE.

I believe, however, that the movie Krypton should be a mix of both eras, like TAS.

Yes, Daniel...we get it...you love post crisis....no surprise there...and ive already said post crisis superman has more complexity to it....but, at the end of the day, all that is still opinion, not undeniable fact....and this is from someone who likes the fact that post crisis expanded on these ideas...

[TruerToTheCore]

Lara and Jor-El kissing when Krypton explodes is so much better than a lame conversaton between them.

[DavidTyler]

So, you've lived through the silver age, and never heard of the 1979 mini series world of krypton?

Yes, as a matter of fact I own the whole series. There is an important issue where Curt finally got to ink his own pencils. Curt was never really done justice by anyone other than himself.

Does that comment have a point?

Yeah...you're full of it...nothin to see here, folks...

Watch it.
I consider that unfortunate remark to be highly inflammatory.

[DavidTyler]

Lara and Jor-El kissing when Krypton explodes is so much better than a lame conversaton between them.

That is your opinion of the conversation. You need to clarify.

I personally think it sets up what follows and defines what preceded well.

[The Batman]

Yes, as a matter of fact I own the whole series. There is an important issue where Curt finally got to ink his own pencils. Curt was never really done justice by anyone other than himself.

Does that comment have a point?

Yeah...you made it sound as if pre crisis didnt have an in depth history of its krypton....yeah, it dosent have as much details as post crisis...but its there. And you neglected to mention it



Watch it.
I consider that unfortunate remark to be highly inflammatory.

I'm sorry...its quite unfortunate and irritating when someone claims to be a fan of a certain character, but likes to tear down an aspect of that characters history thats been around for 45 years and laid down the groundwork of the aspects that said person prefers. Again, its not wrong to prefer post crisis, but to refer to post crisis as more "Adult" using trivial details just comes off as "Gee, pre crisis sucks, post crisis rules!" I, personally, admire colorful cartoony krypton, just like i admire crystal krypton, just like i admire brynes.

[DavidTyler]

You somehow think that how krypton is presented has some correlation to how clark feels about krypton...which makes NO DAMN SENSE, considering that Donner's krypton has the same cold sterile environment....and donner's Superman embraces his heritage, or else he wouldnt spend his time in the Fortress of Solitude listening to holograms of his parents

I fail to see why you're bringing up Donner? I'm not exactly a fan of that film and really not a fan of Donner's Krypton. I don't like the allusions to Jor-el being God the father.

And, yes, I do feel that how Krypton is presented impacts how Clark feels about a number of things. To paraphrase Byrne and Wolfman : "Krypton gave me these powers but Earth made me human."

Clark doesn't embrace Krypton as something to aspire to in MOS but rather as lessons learned. His heritage is exciting but in no way does it superceed his heritage on Earth. He is a citizen of our planet first and of Kryptonian descent second. I'm an American first and of Italian descent second.

Crying over relatives he didnt know he had? Uh....that tends to happen when you've been ADOPTED...you kinda...I dunno...wonder about the place where you actually came from...

You're adopted?

My apologies if I haven't made myself clear. I have no doubt that Clark would wonder about his history. I'm not adopted and I wonder about mine.

and then, you continue to have a skewed view on pre crisis despite the fact that you've lived during the silver age...

And skewed is your opinion. There were things I like about the silver age and things I didn't.

I prefer the silver age Flash and Green Lantern. ...

As silly as he was, I really liked Utra The Mulit-Alien.

I really really prefer the Silver Age Doom Patrol. It hasn't been good since.

I liked the Silver Age Fortress of Solitude better than what's being done now.

I don't like baby Kal-el being strapped into a rocket with a few blankets and launched into space. This isn't Moses being floated a few feet down a stream. This is a hazardous journey crossing many light years in what amounts to a metal cannister. The baby wouldn't survive it. It would arrive dead.

I don't like the costume gaining super powers under a yellow sun. It's too silly. A dead fiber can't benefit from solar radiation. Having Martha create the costume from terrestrial materials actually first happened in the George Reeve's series. Byrne just brought it back. It makes sense.

I don't like all those different types of Kryptonite.

I can live with the red as long as it doesn't instantly mutate him. I like on Smallville how it alters his personality.

The Jewel Forest is an interesting idea but it's really in need of serious tweaking to make it believable.

There - some likes, don't likes, and some compromises about Pre Crisis.

.silver age clark didnt seem to cry so much to me...

Please tell me where in post crisis (other than that awful film by singer) where Clark has become a leaky faucet? At least not during or immediately after Byrne.

he was just a man that honored where he came from and also honored where he was going...how that is less adult than saying "Screw where my roots came from", Where did I say this?baffles me...but then again...obviously, you're sadly biased. I dont have a pre crisis bias...Post Crisis offers great story complexity but most of the ideas were lacking...Pre crisis had concepts and ideas that were great, but shallow storytelling

I agree about the complexity with the post crisis stories. I have to disagree, however, about the depth of storytelling. Please find a copy of 'Crisis at Hand' and read that. Then follow it up with the Superman in Exile arc.

There were some interesting stories in pre crisis days.. one of note was a story that revealed Earth had not been baby Kal-El's first stop. He actually landed on another planet and grew to manhood and then had his aging reversed back to infancy again to be sent out into space a second time. That wasn't the plot. The plot was about Kal-El's aura causing the people of that world to achieve incredible technological advances at an accelerated rate. This was a forgotten tale as it was so highly implausable .. but interesting just the same. It didn't, however, have a lot of emotional depth to it. Kal-El actually married and had a family.

Problem is, again, the high implausability of some of those stories. I really didn't mind the books just prior to the Crisis but they were just saddled with a lot of stuff that didn't work. All Byrne and Wolfman really did was shave a lot of that stuff off so it could be reintroduced in a more believable way.

Byrne's Krypton was both a utopia and a dystopia. It had epic scale. The pre-crisis Krypton was pretty much a happy story from start to finish. Problem there was why wouldn't the council listen to Jor-El and take him seriously? The Krypton of Pre Crisis showed that the Kryptonians were intelligent. They should have easily accepted his findings and set about saving it's people. It just didn't make sense.

In Byrne's take, the society had become quite pompous and refused to believe anything the emotional young Jor-El brought before them. He'd already been labeled a rebel and was disregarded even before he presented them with that research. It made complete sense that they would ignore him and that he would take covert measures to ensure the safety of his child.

But how would a society like that handle children? They would think of natural birth as messy and that technology could handle it better. Therefore, the birthing matrices. Which, coincidentally, was not Byrne's design but DC's. He wanted to have a pregnant Lara make the journey and give birth on our planet. DC said no. John had to find another solution because you can't just strap a baby into a space ship and expect it to survive that long voyage. Had he been in the womb, Lara would have been able to provide the care needed to keep it alive. Instead, John designed a world where babies are kept in birthing matrices. It made sense. Not only to the survival of the child on it's space voyage but as to how that society would handle it ... and, finally, what that society would be like. Completely organic and not a costumed version of our own culture. It was different. It was like classic science fiction.

And the main point of how biased and mind-bendingly ridculous your statement was is that what you said about "The tragedy of krypton"...can be pretty much said...about...every version of krypton...you pretentiously claim to be about depth, but you clearly cant see further than what's right in front of you if all you got from silver age krypton was "Durrrr, 1950's Sci fi"...when psycologists have written books based on research of silver age comics....


Maybe you should take the time to explain to me just as I have in the previous paragraph just what I missed about Silver age Krypton. I'd very much look forward to reading that.

[SuperDaniel]

To be serious, the only pre-crisis stories that i like are the old ones written by Siegel and Schuster, the Fleischer Cartoons and those written by Elliot S Maggin, Alan Moore and now Grant Morrison with All Star Superman. The number 6 is one of the best comics i've read in years and i'm not particularly found of Jonathan Kent dying as a reason for him to become Superman. But it was done so well that I loved it.

I think pre-crisis had a lot of great stories and potential, but post-crisis have better stories as a whole and it was created to erase the stupid moments from pre-crisis, things that would've killed the comics as a whole.

Sure that It has dumb things like Electric Superman also but as a whole, i like it more.

But the movie Krypton could be a mix of both eras, although i would love to see Byrne's because it has much more depth, history, it is science plausible and it is very different from the versions Krypton's we've seen on the big screen.

Add Braniac to that and it would be amazing to see.

[The Guard]

Lara and Jor-El kissing when Krypton explodes is so much better than a lame conversaton between them.

So then why not just have both, in any movie adaption?

I too would like to know what's so great about Pre-Crisis Krypton's story. I never bought that the society as it was presented would refuse to listen to Jor-El. Actually, I never bought that about Post Crisis Krypton either, for the most part.

[Crook]

It always struck me as puzzling, too. I liked what STAS did though, by including Braniac into the equation. It was a much better way of handling Jor-El's rejection.

[Super-Bats]

The new Krypton should be a land of marshmallowy fluff..........

[DavidTyler]

So then why not just have both, in any movie adaption?

I too would like to know what's so great about Pre-Crisis Krypton's story. I never bought that the society as it was presented would refuse to listen to Jor-El. Actually, I never bought that about Post Crisis Krypton either, for the most part.


On Post Crisis Krypton, Jor-El is already thought of as a rebel and they tend to discount him just on principle. They, in short, think he's Chicken Little crying 'the sky is falling'.

Now, did he make other predicitions that didn't come true? I don't know. In short, however, he's basically thought of as very bright but somewhat taken with his own theories. Theories the council think are based only on supposition and they don't want him upseting the peace and order of their society with his ravings.

[The Guard]

That's what I always wanted to do. Was Jor-El really some kind of flake? I've just never seen how that could be.

[The Sage]

Perhaps it's Jor-El's theories versus the theories of other notable scientists on Krypton?

[DavidTyler]

That's what I always wanted to do. Was Jor-El really some kind of flake? I've just never seen how that could be.

No, not at all - but I think the council was composed of Elders and saw him as impetuous youth with overblown ideas.

Another reason why Byrne's Krypton works. The society is run by people who disdain thinking outside the box. The fact that there is a Jor-el shows that the culture of Krypton isn't dead but sleeping. Unfortunately time is ran out for them.

And another reason why Jor-el shouldn't be geriatric. It just doesn't work if he looks like a wise old man.

[The Guard]

Elders, eh? How does one get to be a wise old man when one isn't wise?

Puzzling.

[solidsnake86]

Well they made Jor-el a somewhat apprentice to Non if I'm not mistaken. The council was not impressed with their findings and lobotimized Non for it. Adding in the brainiac element like STAS would make it full proof why the council would not believe them.

[DavidTyler]

Elders, eh? How does one get to be a wise old man when one isn't wise?

Puzzling.



LOL


I heard they all slept their way to the top.

[DavidTyler]

Well they made Jor-el a somewhat apprentice to Non if I'm not mistaken. The council was not impressed with their findings and lobotimized Non for it. Adding in the brainiac element like STAS would make it full proof why the council would not believe them.


That's from Donner's run on Superman in the comix and I think it's a relatively interesting concept. I wouldn't mind if it snuck it's way into the movie.

This, again, is why I'm saying the reboot SHOULD have a healthy amount in the beginning devoted to Krypton.. or as I call it 'Jor-El's Story'.

It could be an excellent movie on it's own if done right.

Just as we got to see Bruce Wayne evolve into The Batman, we could see the heroism in Clark's bloodline.

[M.O.Steel]

That's from Donner's run on Superman in the comix and I think it's a relatively interesting concept. I wouldn't mind if it snuck it's way into the movie.

This, again, is why I'm saying the reboot SHOULD have a healthy amount in the beginning devoted to Krypton.. or as I call it 'Jor-El's Story'.

It could be an excellent movie on it's own if done right.

Just as we got to see Bruce Wayne evolve into The Batman, we could see the heroism in Clark's bloodline.

you know, I suggested something like this a LONG time ago. a spin-off of the *ahem* potential franchise of the SR series, with prequel of a JOR-el as the main character, with the movie ending with kal-el leaving the planet. it would be a sad/happy ending where its sad that everyone will die and parents are separated from their child, but happy (the audience knows) in the sense that the son survives and grows up to be the greatest hero of earth.

It would be a future world like minority report (this came out at the time), with him on the run, and we have the whole council, krypton poice, the whole nine yards.

so i'm totally with you on that.

[solidsnake86]

I would like to see that stuff to, but this movie doesnt have the luxury of the first half hour on krypton. Let's face it, fans would like that but I doubt regular people will. Although if their is a sequel with zod it would be a great way to see what happen to jor-el specifically and thats why I still believe Zod should be used in this trilogy.

[M.O.Steel]

I would like to see that stuff to, but this movie doesnt have the luxury of the first half hour on krypton. Let's face it, fans would like that but I doubt regular people will. Although if their is a sequel with zod it would be a great way to see what happen to jor-el specifically and thats why I still believe Zod should be used in this trilogy.


oh i definitely don't think it should exist until i good nice trilogy/franchise

[The Guard]

Elements from the novel THE LAST DAYS OF KRYPTON could make for a fantastic movie.

[superadam87]

Elements from the novel THE LAST DAYS OF KRYPTON could make for a fantastic movie.
I heard the book was very good.

I saw all the different charactes it had listed. I think you could devote almost 1/3 of the movie about krypton, 1/3 smallville, 1/3 fortress - intro to metropolis with a cliffhanger ending.

[WormyT]

I would love a total change from Donners impractical iceberg world, and have a more colorful hospitipal world. But still simplistic in design.
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[Crook]

Where is the middle from?

[SuperDaniel]

I was wondering the same thing..

[solidsnake86]

I wouldnt mind a hybrid of krypton including the crystals but also other styles as well. The crystal technology could be something they experimented with which would be why Jor-el sent it to make the fortress but everything else could be different, thats what I would prefer.

[M.O.Steel]

max flesicher cartoon?

[Cain]

That middle pic is from an episode of super friends.

[SuperDaniel]

Oh nice!! I've never seen it!!

[Lighthouse]

In my perfect world, they would make a movie entirely about Krypton and its downfall. It would end with the rocketship and carry us into a Superman movie. I know its a pipe dream, but I think it would be amazing.

[Superfreak]

ok, so I've been thinking a little about krypton:

1) the story on krypton is essentially irrelevant. It explains only that this 'was' superman's home, and that it no longer exists, and that he is the last of his kind.

2)on that basis, I might not even want to see krypton. Not at the beginning of an origin atleast

3)I'd much rather see Krypton as newborn infant Kal'el saw krypton (ie. not very well). Blurry images, through the point of view of an infant that cannot understand or recognize what he's seeing. (This would last during the credit sequence) and then boom, krypton is gone, as Kal's ship escapes to earth.

4)this would result in Superman not actually knowing anything about himself, other than his human parents found him in a space ship, and that he is special.

5)Krypton would be explained in the sequel, as the origin movie would conclude with Superman finally discovering who he is, discovering the truth about krypton etc. The central question in the origin movie for superman would be: 'who am I?'

if he fights brainiac, like TAS, superman could escape with that part of brainiac wherein the Kryptonian archive is stored, and finally learn his origin, and purpose on earth

[Superfreak]

In my perfect world, they would make a movie entirely about Krypton and its downfall. It would end with the rocketship and carry us into a Superman movie. I know its a pipe dream, but I think it would be amazing.

pointless and irrelevant. It's like watching a movie about Thomas Wayne, that ends with him being shot. Yawn. I wanna see superman, not his non super dad

[I Am The Knight]

pointless and irrelevant. It's like watching a movie about Thomas Wayne, that ends with him being shot. Yawn. I wanna see superman, not his non super dad

Well, with Jor-El you would get cool sci-fi stuff. And probably Brainiac. But agreed.

[Superfreak]

Well, with Jor-El you would get cool sci-fi stuff. And probably Brainiac. But agreed.

as a fan boy, I agree, it could make a really cool story. But as far as superman is concerned, it should be a quick prologue. Get to earth, and start with the superman as quick as is reasonably possible.

But I really like the idea of Krypton being the mystery of the movie. With the origin movie being a quest to discover Superman's origin (slightly like Birthright, but with a different story)

[I Am The Knight]

I like that.

[Superfreak]

I like that.

I honestly think it's the best way to do it. That way you see Krypton at the end of the movie, rather than the beginning. It moves away from the cookie cutter origin we are all expecting. There wouldn't be any actual central narrative on Krypton. Krypton would be explored by hearsay

[COMPO]

to be honest if they do an origin story i think we should see it through Clarks eyes and we don't see Krypton in the first movie. My idea is the film starts with a teenaged Clark Kent trying to find out what do with his life after finding the ship and we flashback to Clark before that he's a star football player at smallville high, he's kind of arrogant big headed and his dad (like man of steel) shows him the ship and it sort of brings him down to size. Smallvilles hit by a tornado storm and Clark saves people realising he's been wasting his powers he goes off an travels the world to find himself returning as Superman.

[dark_b]

i like clark traveling the world. but i am sorry Nolan already did this.
if the director can make a move where it looks different then ok. but not everyone needs to travel the world to become a superhero.

[solidsnake86]

I totaly agree with not exploring krypton at the beginning and learning bits and pieces throughout the movie. It is a superman movie at the end of the day and not "the last days of krypton".

[The Guard]

5)Krypton would be explained in the sequel, as the origin movie would conclude with Superman finally discovering who he is, discovering the truth about krypton etc. The central question in the origin movie for superman would be: 'who am I?'

That's what my SUPERMAN 2 script was to be like. In the first movie, I wouldn't even want him knowing he's an alien, or from a planet called Krypton.

[Superfreak]

That's what my SUPERMAN 2 script was to be like. In the first movie, I wouldn't even want him knowing he's an alien, or from a planet called Krypton.

agreed, the first movie would conclude with serious Cliffhanger. And the sequel would actually start with the revelation of that cliffhanger, the truth about his origin.

it would then make more sense to me for Luthor/Metallo to be the villains in the first movie... and then Brainiac in the sequel, as the expanded story on krypton at the beginning of the sequel would introduce Brainiac as the villainous evil that allowed krypton to fall.

but in order to make the above Jive, Luthor will have to be the villain who is holding superman's origin in secret... again, birthright touched on this, with Lex being the billionaire who had come across the kryptonite tablet. So that Superman can acquire his origin by the end of the movie (but not let the audience look at it)

to make this work, I also think that S' I and S' II should be shot just like SI and SII, as one big two part movie.

[GoblinWhirlwind]

Wouldn't really make sense for him to not realize he's from someplace else.. just not necessarily him knowing he's from Krypton yet.

[Superfreak]

Wouldn't really make sense for him to not realize he's from someplace else.. just not necessarily him knowing he's from Krypton yet.

of course, of course

[COMPO]

i like clark traveling the world. but i am sorry Nolan already did this.
if the director can make a move where it looks different then ok. but not everyone needs to travel the world to become a superhero.

well we've seen him go to teh fortress of solitude to leanr how to be superman andi n man of steel and birthright he went and travelled.

[Alucard]

Krypton should most certainly look like a very advanced world with better architecture than Earth, for sure. I also picture the world having a sort of orange/yellowish shine all over the planet which is from the sun.

[Superfreak]

well we've seen him go to teh fortress of solitude to leanr how to be superman andi n man of steel and birthright he went and travelled.

but he didn't learn who he was in his birthright travels, only that he had a purpose...

[Lead Cenobite]

I think maybe no more ice planet, something more utopian, but possibly keep the crystals as a sortof storage medium.

[DavidTyler]

I'm bumping this solely for the beautiful artist conceptions of Krypton on the previous pages.

[COMPO]

why not make Krypton a mixture of the crystal stuff and a sort of metal alloy make it new yet still keeping a bit of the past. Kind of like a Donner/Star War architecture kind of like Corosant with a mixture of Naboo.

[Sweetchuck]

I wouldnt mind a hybrid of krypton including the crystals but also other styles as well. The crystal technology could be something they experimented with which would be why Jor-el sent it to make the fortress but everything else could be different, thats what I would prefer.

Yes. This is what they should do. I also think that there should be different types of brightly colored crystals. That one thing I always remembered from the Donner Superman movies when I was a kid. How cool the red crystals looked that Zod stole and the exact color of green in the regeneration crystal. They can incorperate the crystal design into a futuristic looking society. Just enough that you know its Superman and Krypton.
That and I agree that most of the movie should be about Krypton setting up Villians for later movies. Ive posted it before but I think you could show the relationships between Zod and the government and even show them experimenting with a doomsday type animal that will later come after Supes. There is enough material to fill at least 1-2 movies...

[Superfreak]

why not make Krypton a mixture of the crystal stuff and a sort of metal alloy make it new yet still keeping a bit of the past. Kind of like a Donner/Star War architecture kind of like Corosant with a mixture of Naboo.


I go more with Cloudcity myself

[DavidTyler]

To be honest if this is to be a new movie with a new origin I kind of like Mark Goerner design for Krypton.

http://www.grnr.com/images_gallery/grnr_com_krypton_cool.jpg

http://www.grnr.com/images_gallery/grnr_com_krypton_warm.jpg

http://www.grnr.com/images_gallery/grnr_com_precicpice_reverse.jpg

http://www.grnr.com/images_gallery/grnr_com_precipice2.jpg

http://www.grnr.com/images_gallery/grnr_com_precipice_statue.jpg

http://www.grnr.com/images_gallery/grnr_com_jorel_plaza_detail.jpg


THIS is what Krypton should look like.

[SonikDeath]

Those are Awesome, never seen those before.

[MAN O STEEL]

THIS is what Krypton should look like.


You is loco & I like it :woot:





Steve

[Ultimate_Superman]

Those pictures are really suppose to be Jor-El's Palace when he ruled Krypton in Abram's Movie but I was just saying change that around and make it where the counsel meets and it would look perfect.

[DavidTyler]

Those pictures are really suppose to be Jor-El's Palace when he ruled Krypton in Abram's Movie but I was just saying change that around and make it where the counsel meets and it would look perfect.


Yes... absolutely

[Mindreaper21]

a cross between Star Wars and Aliens

[DavidTyler]

.......

[img]http://www.grnr.com/images_gallery/grnr_com_jorel_plaza_detail.jpg


THIS is what Krypton should look like.


Does it look to anyone else like the people seated in the upper deck are wearing something similar to the Byrne Kryptonian costumes from MOS?

On second look, I think they're statues. Too large in proportion to the rest of the scene to be people

[Spider-Fan83]

http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/4449/mapofkryptonxc4.gif (http://imageshack.us)

LOL

[C. W. Saturn]

http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/4449/mapofkryptonxc4.gif (http://imageshack.us)

LOL

Nothing funny about it. :cmad:

[Spider-Fan83]

come on, you know you want to see the rainbow canyon, on the big screen :grin:

[C. W. Saturn]

come on, you know you want to see the rainbow canyon, on the big screen :grin:

why are you making fun of these wonderful fantasy stories for kids?

[Mindreaper21]

LMAO...Green monkeys and Rainbows, that would be a site to see

[Saint]

As with most aspects of Superman, I am partial to Birthright.

[DavidTyler]

http://www.grnr.com/images_gallery/grnr_com_krypton_cool.jpg

http://www.grnr.com/images_gallery/grnr_com_krypton_warm.jpg

http://www.grnr.com/images_gallery/grnr_com_precicpice_reverse.jpg

http://www.grnr.com/images_gallery/grnr_com_precipice2.jpg

http://www.grnr.com/images_gallery/grnr_com_precipice_statue.jpg

http://www.grnr.com/images_gallery/grnr_com_jorel_plaza_detail.jpg


THIS is what Krypton should look like.

Just in case someone from the WB is wandering thru these pages, just want to bump this..

Also for those that haven't seen these before.

[Kal-El Fan]

Goerner with the crystal technology blended in. The whole crystal thing just seems like very advanced technology, especially as data storage/computer technology.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Just in case someone from the WB is wandering thru these pages, just want to bump this..

Also for those that haven't seen these before.The WB has seen this. This was Krypton before the Superman movie Abrams was working on got scrapped.

[DavidTyler]

The WB has seen this. This was Krypton before the Superman movie Abrams was working on got scrapped.


Oh, I know that.. .I just want them to see that the fanbase has taken to it. Hopefully, they'll understand that making the fans happy will result in better box office.

[Bloodwynd]

Rather than doing what was done in the Superman movies & on Smallville, I think Krypton should be a more tropical type of planet, so to speak, with many advanced architectural buildings and all types of new designs never before seen.

[El Payaso]

http://www.grnr.com/images_gallery/grnr_com_krypton_cool.jpg

http://www.grnr.com/images_gallery/grnr_com_krypton_warm.jpg

http://www.grnr.com/images_gallery/grnr_com_precicpice_reverse.jpg

http://www.grnr.com/images_gallery/grnr_com_precipice2.jpg

http://www.grnr.com/images_gallery/grnr_com_precipice_statue.jpg

http://www.grnr.com/images_gallery/grnr_com_jorel_plaza_detail.jpg


THIS is what Krypton should look like.

Absolutely. :up:

[Compi716]

http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/4449/mapofkryptonxc4.gif (http://imageshack.us)

lol
Heck. Yes.

[Christmas]

Imaginationlaaaand

[jak123]

Rather than doing what was done in the Superman movies & on Smallville, I think Krypton should be a more tropical type of planet, so to speak, with many advanced architectural buildings and all types of new designs never before seen.

Agreed!

I think the planet should have a green glow to it when viewed from outer space. That would be a nice homage to the comics and the Fleischer cartoons.

[Superark]

I really love the look of the Donner Krypton, but it most likely will be gone in the next film. Sad

[Webhead2006]

yea the ice/crystal world is a cool look but if the next film does turn out to be a full on reboot i would love to see a different look for krypton maybe a more architertural look like that one planet in star wars that looks like one huge city.

[Weadazoid]

yea the ice/crystal world is a cool look but if the next film does turn out to be a full on reboot i would love to see a different look for krypton maybe a more architertural look like that one planet in star wars that looks like one huge city.

the death star? Not a planet, but a weapon

[AnorexicBatman]

He means Coroscant....

[Superark]

However they make krypton look in the next film, I hope they make it so it has a timeless feel to it. That's what I really liked the crystal Krypton, it wasn't something you say was looked dated 20 years later.

[AnorexicBatman]

I hate the crystal look. I mean seriously. I don't want a single crystal in the reboot.
The only crystal can be diamond ring that Clark gives to Lois

[Webhead2006]

Yea i was talking about Coroscant not the death star, i was just blanking on the name when i made the post last night. We should see a new type of krypton like massive strange buildings and very high tech and all that like coroscant from star wars or maybe like how we saw krypton in STAS. Though i think they should keep the crystals in play a bit like keep the fos a crystal building and say crystals use data storage.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

I think we all know ripping off SW for Krypton is the way to go...

[AnorexicBatman]

Hey George-gy boy!
Your punishment for the medicore prequel trilogy!
Give superman Coroscant and rename it Krypton

[Webhead2006]

Well i cool high tech krypton would be a nice change of pace and a good way to distance away from donnor's krypton. Like i have said before if its a total reboot its best to get as far away from donnor elements so we can have a good stark differences so they would be so simular.

[Sam]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjrsB9EdSHM&feature=related

were this images taken from Star Wars or something?

[Webhead2006]

yea thats padma's home planet of naboo from the prequel star wars films.

[cerealkiller182]

http://www.grnr.com/images_gallery/grnr_com_krypton_cool.jpg

http://www.grnr.com/images_gallery/grnr_com_krypton_warm.jpg

http://www.grnr.com/images_gallery/grnr_com_precicpice_reverse.jpg

http://www.grnr.com/images_gallery/grnr_com_precipice2.jpg

http://www.grnr.com/images_gallery/grnr_com_precipice_statue.jpg

http://www.grnr.com/images_gallery/grnr_com_jorel_plaza_detail.jpg


THIS is what Krypton should look like.

Hell yeah

I never liked the ice and cystal crap.

[Webhead2006]

yea the ice world was great for donnor films(and works for smallville too) But yea if its a totally new reboot film as i said before it would be great to see a totally different looking krypton with futuristic buildings and tech all over the place. Though i still say keep the crystals as devices for data storage and crystal look for the fos.

[DavidTyler]

Maybe a new thread would be appropriate to be a companion peice to this one.

It would be a question about what the Kryptonian costumes should look like.

Anybody interested in discusing that? Let me know and, if enough people think so, we'll start a new thread.

[Webhead2006]

yea that would be a cool thread to do but maybe we should stick to it in the superman costumes thread.

[CharlieWhite]

I put a few things together here. I hope you all like it.

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/6170/zorel1lo8.jpg

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/4046/generalzod2aq8.jpg

[SuperDaniel]

That is nice! But i'd prefer a more Alien look instead of royal outfits...

[CharlieWhite]

Thanks SuperD. This was really the best I could find. I wanted something a little different as well but in conveys basically what I wanted.