The Oscar Push!

[RKO]

Good for Slumdog.

Ok so what's next?

[AgentChaos0066]

Well that's smart...

It's a really great movie.
I wasn't being literal.

Yeah, I just think it has no basis to win an award over a film on the same quality level, that reached many more people than Slumdog ever has, or ever will.

Is Slumdog going to inspire as many film makers as TDK will?

How many times are people in the next 10 years and beyond going to reach for their blu ray copy of Slumdog over TDK?

Things like that should be taken into account.

Most of this art house films are one viewing potential films.

Why do quality genre films always get the shaft? When in fact they have more longevity, and fascinate people in ways art house films very rarely do.

[Steelsheen]

Steelsheen,

The tie was between Streep and Hathaway. Jolie's performance in Changeling looks so melodramatic. Completely over the top.
ah, that explains why Jolie is pissed :grin:
but hold on there, Hathaway is competing at par with Streep? how the hell did that happen?


folks, record this please?

[WVsax27]

I recorded TDK's two wins if anyone would like me to upload them

[redfirebird2008]

I wasn't being literal.

Yeah, I just think it has no basis to win an award over a film on the same quality level, that reached many more people than Slumdog ever has, or ever will.

Is Slumdog going to inspire as many film makers as TDK will?

How many times are people in the next 10 years and beyond going to reach for their blu ray copy of Slumdog over TDK?

Things like that should be taken into account.

Most of this art house films are one viewing potential films.

Why do quality genre films always get the shaft? When in fact they have more longevity, and fascinate people in ways art house films very rarely do.

I think these award associations like to give a boost to really good movies that DON'T have a wide audience. It allows the audience to discover more than what is mass-marketed to them.

[CapedCrusader14]

I recorded TDK's two wins if anyone would like me to upload them

Yes Please!:woot:

[Wedge A.]

ah, that explains why Jolie is pissed :grin:
but hold on there, Hathaway is competing at par with Streep? how the hell did that happen?


folks, record this please?

Anne Hathaway is a great actress. She's in more stuff than Princess Diaries, you know.

:oldrazz:

[AgentChaos0066]

I think these award associations like to give a boost to really good movies that DON'T have a wide audience. It allows the audience to discover more than what is mass-marketed to them.
But that's all they EVER promote in the process. And that's not fair to the artists who take something mainstream and deliver a quality level rarely seen in the cookie cutter, mass marketed films.

[Steelsheen]

I recorded TDK's two wins if anyone would like me to upload them
yes please upload the files, on Rapidshare or Mediafire (they each can take on files up to 100mb), and yeah you tube too for those who just wants to see it without saving it.

how heavy are those files? and in what format are they on?

[Anita18]

wow, and right into the re-broadcast so i can throw up again over this slum-crap.
ya know, i take that back. i just won't bother seeing it. even if it is good. but damn that if that score is better than Hans and James!
It doesn't really have a score. The music is mostly songs, undoubtedly written by A.R. Rahman, but songs nonetheless. M.I.A.'s "Paper Planes" makes an appearance. :funny: But the songs are pretty good.

How many times are people in the next 10 years and beyond going to reach for their blu ray copy of Slumdog over TDK?
The cinematography in Slumdog's opening credits are as enthralling as anything in TDK, but once they get to the game show, it's rather pedestrian. I'm shocked that it actually won "Best Cinematography" in some awards earlier. It's not as "pretty" as TDK is. Well, Pfister and Nolan using the IMAX cameras definitely helps in that regard. :funny:

Slumdog is like an adult version of a Disney fairy tale. Or, Pan's Labyrinth without the despair, I guess. :funny: It touched some more than others. -shrug-

[Etienne]

ah, that explains why Jolie is pissed :grin:

Exactly.:cwink::hehe:

[redfirebird2008]

But that's all they EVER promote in the process. And that's not fair to the artists who take something mainstream and deliver a quality level rarely seen in the cookie cutter, mass marketed films.

I agree with your point because I think they do cross the line and purposely try to snub more mainstream movies even if they are potentially better than the lesser known film.

Anyway, I am downloading Slumdog right now. That's pretty much the only way I will be able to see all these small Oscar bait movies because I live in West Texas with a 14 screen theater and it only shows mainstream stuff.

[Steelsheen]

Anne Hathaway is a great actress. She's in more stuff than Princess Diaries, you know.

:oldrazz:
i know that ;), but geezus enough talent to come up at par with Meryl Streep? its like saying Tobey Maguire is now good enough to go up against Jack Nicholson. they're good, but they're no there-- yet.

[AgentChaos0066]

Ok, and I'm sure its a very good film.

But tell me, on any logical basis what so ever.

If a movie such as TDK is as good quality wise, or better.

And has reached, and enthralled FAR MORE people ... why any other movie this year would deserve to be awarded as "Best Picture"?

It makes no sense.

[Ferd]

This is bad quality (I just took it off of my tv) but here is Nolan accepting the Best Supporting Actor award on Heath's behalf:

http://s27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/ferdalump/Daily%20Brois/appearances/?action=view&current=100_4216.flv

[byte19]

I think these award associations like to give a boost to really good movies that DON'T have a wide audience. It allows the audience to discover more than what is mass-marketed to them.
hmm.... then why even make a popcorn flick that's so much better a film in it's own genre and a few others if you're not gonna get recognized by awards season?

[CapedCrusader14]

Go Heath well done. Totally deserved it. Not that least surprising that TDK got best action film.

I wish it won Best Picture and Best Composers but oh well, what can you do.

I'm going to watch this Slumdog thing on the net and see what all the fuss is about.

[redfirebird2008]

Ok, and I'm sure its a very good film.

But tell me, on any logical basis what so ever.

If a movie such as TDK is as good quality wise, or better.

And has reached, and enthralled FAR MORE people ... why any other movie this year would deserve to be awarded as "Best Picture"?

It makes no sense.

Because they probably didn't feel TDK was on that level.

[The Chris]

i know that ;), but geezus enough talent to come up at par with Meryl Streep? its like saying Tobey Maguire is now good enough to go up against Jack Nicholson. they're good, but they're no there-- yet.

Hey if she performed as good or better than Streep then hell yes. This shouldn't be about career vs career, but performance vs performance.

[The Chris]

Because they probably didn't feel TDK was on that level.

But dude they gave it a higher rating!

[redfirebird2008]

hmm.... then why even make a popcorn flick that's so much better a film in it's own genre and a few others if you're not gonna get recognized by awards season?

Because it's not about the awards. It's about telling a good story and doing it to the best of your ability regardless of awards potential.

[Anita18]

hmm.... then why even make a popcorn flick that's so much better a film in it's own genre and a few others if you're not gonna get recognized by awards season?
Because nobody makes popcorn flicks for the express purpose of winning these awards? People can make good movies just for the sake of them being good, LOL.

[AgentChaos0066]

I go to see all these oscar caliber films, and so far I've yet to see one as engrossing as TDK.

And that's Batman fan status removed.

Today on my local ESPN radio show, some guy who isn't a fan of comic book characters or movies finally got around to watching TDK ... and on a SPORTS show dedicated 10 minutes proclaiming how great it was.

A few days ago I went to see a film that had potential oscar buzz attatched to it.

Gran Torino

And it was utterly pathetic melodrama, with amateur actors, Eastwood playing a characiture of HIMSELF (like Miller in comic books), and an awkward shift from moment to moment in the film of heavy handed melodrama to hammy "is this intentional" comedy.

And this was film that was about to push Eastwood's hollow performance, and possibly the movie as well for best picture.

It was atrocious, outside of a few laughs.

I'm going to see Rourke in the Wrestler this week, so I'll see if that can keep me as entertained as TDK. Which so far no other film has ... and even beyond entertainment value, which alot of these films DONT have. TDK also has a very strong message that is intelligently written into the movies script, and doesn't come off as feeling forced or shallow, or eye rolling worthy.

[redfirebird2008]

But dude they gave it a higher rating!

Let's just say they judge the movies on a different level. TDK's 96 rating was achieved in the same manner that Iron Man's really high Rotten Tomatoes score was achieved. "Great popcorn movie." That 96 for TDK is judging it as a popcorn movie, not as a "serious" film. But then when you ask them whether it's one of the best movies of the year? "Not a chance in hell."

[Bond]

Thanks for that, Ferd. :yay:

[AgentChaos0066]

Because they probably didn't feel TDK was on that level.
But it clearly was ... from COUNTLESS sources.

It's actually easier for a small little indie art house film to get recognized, then a major promoted blockbuster. TDK had to be that much better to even get in these conversations. And it still probably won't even win anything outside "best makeup" or "best sound" or some stupid cliche award like that. It's a disgrace to the film makers, and general intelligence.

What are movies?

Modern form of story telling.

The most popular myths and storys through out history are the ones most heard.

Why are they the most heard?

Because the recipients of the story telling liked it the most.

That means ____ movie is the best movie because more people liked hearing it, or in this case watch it. Sometimes repeatedly.

The people voted unanimously for TDK.

Critics raved about it.

It's won the hearts on both fronts.

Yet its a ****ING underdog for best picture of 2008? Thats pathetic.

[Anita18]

But dude they gave it a higher rating!
Wouldn't be surprised if the BFCA score was an overall calculation across all of the critics, while voting would actually involve ranking the movies directly against each other. That's one possibility of how a higher-ranked movie could lose to one lower-ranked.

[Wedge A.]

i know that ;), but geezus enough talent to come up at par with Meryl Streep? its like saying Tobey Maguire is now good enough to go up against Jack Nicholson. they're good, but they're no there-- yet.


Sadly, I think a lot of critics think Meryl Streep has recieved enough awards by now.

:cwink:

[Badabing45]

If TDK ends up with the most nominations on Oscar announcement morning, I think it becomes a contender to win. It's looking like a Slumdog freight train, but the same thing happened with Saving Private Ryan 10 or so years ago. It was winning every critics award and the Golden Globe, but then Shakespeare in Love ended up with the most nominations and eventually Best Picture.

Slumdog Millionaire is really excellent though, I think everyone should watch it and give it a chance rather than get bitter because its winning over TDK. I'm definitely glad it's getting the love instead of Benjamin Boring.

[The Chris]

Wouldn't be surprised if the BFCA score was an overall calculation across all of the critics, while voting would actually involve ranking the movies directly against each other. That's one possibility of how a higher-ranked movie could lose to one lower-ranked.

That makes sense, and to Redbird I say that would be a shame, because of course in my opinion it's the best film, but Slumdog is very close. Very.

[WVsax27]

yes please upload the files, on Rapidshare or Mediafire (they each can take on files up to 100mb), and yeah you tube too for those who just wants to see it without saving it.

how heavy are those files? and in what format are they on?

AVI. There is a small amount of fuzz in the picture, but they turned out okay. I'll upload them to youtube first, I'll put the files up for download after that.

[Etienne]

I didn't even know tie's could happen in any awards show. I'm assuming something like this won't or can't happen at the Oscars? :huh:

[redfirebird2008]

I go to see all these oscar caliber films, and so far I've yet to see one as engrossing as TDK.

And that's Batman fan status removed.

Today on my local ESPN radio show, some guy who isn't a fan of comic book characters or movies finally got around to watching TDK ... and on a SPORTS show dedicated 10 minutes proclaiming how great it was.

A few days ago I went to see a film that had potential oscar buzz attatched to it.

Gran Torino

And it was utterly pathetic melodrama, with amateur actors, Eastwood playing a characiture of HIMSELF (like Miller in comic books), and an awkward shift from moment to moment in the film of heavy handed melodrama to hammy "is this intentional" comedy.

And this was film that was about to push Eastwood's hollow performance, and possibly the movie as well for best picture.

It was atrocious, outside of a few laughs.

I'm going to see Rourke in the Wrestler this week, so I'll see if that can keep me as entertained as TDK. Which so far no other film has ... and even beyond entertainment value, which alot of these films DONT have. TDK also has a very strong message that is intelligently written into the movies script, and doesn't come off as feeling forced or shallow, or eye rolling worthy.

I don't think TDK is any better than Batman Begins. They're my two favorite movies and I consider them equals. If you put a gun to my head and said, "Which one can you not live without?" it would be insanely tough to choose. Heath's incredible Joker or Bruce's incredible journey into becoming Batman? Extremely tough choice. If Batman Begins wasn't considered awards worthy, then I have no problem with TDK not being considered awards worthy. The fact that it's even getting nominated for this snobby crap is amazing to me in the first place.

[The Chris]

If TDK ends up with the most nominations on Oscar announcement morning, I think it becomes a contender to win. It's looking like a Slumdog freight train, but the same thing happened with Saving Private Ryan 10 or so years ago. It was winning every critics award and the Golden Globe, but then Shakespeare in Love ended up with the most nominations and eventually Best Picture.

Slumdog Millionaire is really excellent though, I think everyone should watch it and give it a chance rather than get bitter because its winning over TDK. I'm definitely glad it's getting the love instead of Benjamin Boring.

Well I like the Button, but Slumdog is better so I can agree a little. Funny thing is I still see Benjamin Button getting the most oscar nominations, with Dark Knight number 2 and Slumdog # 3.

[byte19]

well there's my point kiddies, they like a film like the Knight because of an actor, not the story. that's a close second to their eyes cause slumdog had a story about love. i'm playing devil's advocate here but wouldn't you as a critic say to everyone that Dark Knight was the best film of the year then take that title away from them at awards season and say a film that JUST went wide was the best? aren't you lying then?

[Boom]

I didn't even know tie's could happen in any awards show. I'm assuming something like this won't or can't happen at the Oscars? :huh:
The last (and only) time there was a tie for Best Actor was in 1932, between Fredric March and Wallace Beery.

There has never been a tie for Best Supporting Actor.

[AgentChaos0066]

Let's just say they judge the movies on a different level. TDK's 96 rating was achieved in the same manner that Iron Man's really high Rotten Tomatoes score was achieved. "Great popcorn movie." That 96 for TDK is judging it as a popcorn movie, not as a "serious" film. But then when you ask them whether it's one of the best movies of the year? "Not a chance in hell."
And that shows a bias right there. As I said, it's easier to win with realistic melodrama from an art house film. Or a re-telling of historical figures like Harvey Milk. Thats realism drama. And while it has oustanding acting job by Penn, all he had to do was look at tapes on how to mimmick the man the Milk was. It's much more difficult to take a fictional POPCORN caliber movie, create characters as realistic and compelling as the cast of TDK does, make them feel just as real as someone who actually existed in history such as Harvey Milk.

Oh and TDK is a great film, Iron Man is a great movie. And there is a key fundamental difference in understanding the difference between "movie" and "film" ... a "film" touches people and makes them think about it well beyond when they're enjoying it in the theatre. Meaning it stays with them. Iron Man is a great popcorn flick. TDK is as dramatic, as serious and as well done as Slumdog. I haven't even seen Slumdog yet and I can say that . . .

[Steelsheen]

This is bad quality (I just took it off of my tv) but here is Nolan accepting the Best Supporting Actor award on Heath's behalf:

http://s27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/ferdalump/Daily%20Brois/appearances/?action=view&current=100_4216.flv

thanks for this man. that was a really nice speech that Nolan gave for Heath.


AVI. There is a small amount of fuzz in the picture, but they turned out okay. I'll upload them to youtube first, I'll put the files up for download after that.

ok dude, will be looking forward to your copy :) dont forget to post the links back here ;)

[Anita18]

And that shows a bias right there. As I said, it's easier to win with realistic melodrama from an art house film.
If you're referring to Slumdog Millionaire, it isn't a realistic movie in the least. It's probably even less realistic than TDK, in terms of coincidences that have to happen. TDK just pushes things in terms of physical realism. :oldrazz: But Slumdog is pretty out there. It's just not about superheroes.

[AgentChaos0066]

well there's my point kiddies, they like a film like the Knight because of an actor, not the story. that's a close second to their eyes cause slumdog had a story about love. i'm playing devil's advocate here but wouldn't you as a critic say to everyone that Dark Knight was the best film of the year then take that title away from them at awards season and say a film that JUST went wide was the best? aren't you lying then?
But no critics when reviewing the movie said that ... it wasn't just Ledger. The entire cast. The story. The score. It was incredibly well done. No one said "Well, TDK sucked or was mediocre outside of Ledger's fascinating performance."

[redfirebird2008]

And that shows a bias right there. As I said, it's easier to win with realistic melodrama from an art house film. Or a re-telling of historical figures like Harvey Milk. Thats realism drama. And while it has oustanding acting job by Penn, all he had to do was look at tapes on how to mimmick the man the Milk was. It's much more difficult to take a fictional POPCORN caliber movie, create characters as realistic and compelling as the cast of TDK does, make them feel just as real as someone who actually existed in history such as Harvey Milk.

Oh and TDK is a great film, Iron Man is a great movie. And there is a key fundamental difference in understanding the difference between "movie" and "film" ... a "film" touches people and makes them think about it well beyond when they're enjoying it in the theatre. Meaning it stays with them. Iron Man is a great popcorn flick. TDK is as dramatic, as serious and as well done as Slumdog. I haven't even seen Slumdog yet and I can say that . . .

I have a huge problem with the Academy's constant praise for biopics. In Milk's case, it was a combination of biopic AND political issue. The Academy's two favorite "Oscar bait" topics.

And if you haven't seen Slumdog, then you shouldn't be declaring anything about its level of quality. I haven't seen it yet but from my viewpoint it's a different brand of Oscar bait from the likes of Milk, Capote, Frost/Nixon, and countless other biopics over the last decade.

[Anita18]

But no critics when reviewing the movie said that ... it wasn't just Ledger. The entire cast. The story. The score. It was incredibly well done. No one said "Well, TDK sucked or was mediocre outside of Ledger's fascinating performance."
Some critics did.

[AgentChaos0066]

If you're referring to Slumdog Millionaire, it isn't a realistic movie in the least. It's probably even less realistic than TDK, in terms of coincidences that have to happen. TDK just pushes things in terms of physical realism. :oldrazz: But Slumdog is pretty out there. It's just not about superheroes.
Ok.

Quirky imaginative art house film ...

Substitute the difference.

Snobby "artists" naturally prefer those off the bat in these award ceremonies ... thus almost acknowledging a bias.

Which isn't fair to the other party.

[WVsax27]

I'm uploading them to rapidshare first instead, youtube is being slow right now

[redfirebird2008]

But no critics when reviewing the movie said that ... it wasn't just Ledger. The entire cast. The story. The score. It was incredibly well done. No one said "Well, TDK sucked or was mediocre outside of Ledger's fascinating performance."

Actually I've seen quite a few people say that, whether critics or regular moviegoers. The problem with this is that Ledger's Joker is a key plot device in the film. The character itself kicks ass, never mind Ledger's performance. Take Anton Chigurh out of No Country and it sucks. Take the shark out of Jaws and it sucks. And on and on. But people have been insisting on this criticism against TDK and I think it's an unfair one. The Nolan Brothers deserve just as much credit as Ledger for how they wrote the Joker. It's an excellent character in the script itself.

[Anita18]

Finally, red carpet coverage tape-delayed on VH1 now. Some chick interviewing Aaron Eckhart.

[Steelsheen]

well there's my point kiddies, they like a film like the Knight because of an actor, not the story. that's a close second to their eyes cause slumdog had a story about love. i'm playing devil's advocate here but wouldn't you as a critic say to everyone that Dark Knight was the best film of the year then take that title away from them at awards season and say a film that JUST went wide was the best? aren't you lying then?

well thats one way of looking at it. but it can also be said that Ledger's death raised TDK's profile to those who wouldnt take TDK as a serious work of art and just skip it because "its a comic book movie". the way i see it Ledger's death hyped TDK so more people watched it-- then people realized all on their own that TDK is a great movie and deserves every "serious" nomination based on its own merit and not because of a "sympathy vote" for a dead cast member.

because truly, if its just a sympathy vote, then Ledger will be the only thing going for TDK save the technical awards. but its not.

[AgentChaos0066]

Some critics did.
If some did, it would be the extreme minority is it not? I could find just as many ciritcs who said that as I can people who didn't think Slumdog Millionaire was the best film od 2008.

[Boom]

It's going to be okay :dry:.

[byte19]

But no critics when reviewing the movie said that ... it wasn't just Ledger. The entire cast. The story. The score. It was incredibly well done. No one said "Well, TDK sucked or was mediocre outside of Ledger's fascinating performance."
precisely!! yet cause it's Danny Boyle (the director of The Beach, Trainspotting and 28 Days Later) suddenly as a whole it's better than Dark Knight? (from the director of The Prestige and Memento) i call shenanigans!

(in these parenthesis, which director had better movies?)

[Anita18]

It's going to be okay :dry:.
I thought we all determined that any major nomination for TDK at a serious awards ceremony would be the award. :oldrazz:

[AgentChaos0066]

Nolan's done more movies. And none have even been mediocre at best. So naturally a team that goes 8-0 is better than a team thats 3-0. More movies, more chances to fail. BTW, I never thought Trainspotting was as good as advertised.

[AgentChaos0066]

I thought we all determined that any major nomination for TDK at a serious awards ceremony would be the award. :oldrazz:
Losers mentality, when the film is by all means a winner. Which contradicts one another.

[Steelsheen]

I'm uploading them to rapidshare first instead, youtube is being slow right now
great! :woot: links please?

btw, you combined the two awards together? or separate links for separate awards?

[Boom]

That was my assumption.

Seriously.

The Dark Knight: The FIRST comic book adaptation nominated for Best Picture.

Even if it doesn't win, it is a massive stepping stone for this genre. It set a new precedent for what can be achieved with "children's characters." Why would anyone get angry over a loss in light of this?

[Cancer4TheCure]

Nolan's done more movies. And none have even been mediocre at best. So naturally a team that goes 8-0 is better than a team thats 3-0. More movies, more chances to fail. BTW, I never thought Trainspotting was as good as advertised.

That's because it's really not.

[redfirebird2008]

precisely!! yet cause it's Danny Boyle (the director of The Beach, Trainspotting and 28 Days Later) suddenly as a whole it's better than Dark Knight? (from the director of The Prestige and Memento) i call shenanigans!

(in these parenthesis, which director had better movies?)

Nolan's had a better career AND he's 14 years younger. Don't forget that aspect of it too. They probably figure they can award Nolan later in his career for a less mainstream movie, although they already snubbed him for two of the best non-mainstream movies of the decade in The Prestige and Memento.

[byte19]

hey agent, i didn't even know Boyle til 28 days! and i knew of Nolan right at memento... that's my director of the year right there.

[Anita18]

Nolan's done more movies. And none have even been mediocre at best. So naturally a team that goes 8-0 is better than a team thats 3-0. More movies, more chances to fail. BTW, I never thought Trainspotting was as good as advertised.
Uhhhh, Danny Boyle's done more feature films than Nolan. 9 to Nolan's 6.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000965/

I've heard nothing but good things about Millions and Sunshine, so I want to catch those.

Losers mentality, when the film is by all means a winner. Which contradicts one another.
What we're saying is that no superhero film has EVER been nominated for any of these things. So we shouldn't expect the voters to all take the plunge the first time, haha.

[WVsax27]

great! :woot: links please?

btw, you combined the two awards together? or separate links for separate awards?

I'm uploading them both separate. They aren't done yet, I'll post them when they are.

[redfirebird2008]

Nolan's done more movies. And none have even been mediocre at best. So naturally a team that goes 8-0 is better than a team thats 3-0. More movies, more chances to fail. BTW, I never thought Trainspotting was as good as advertised.

Nolan hasn't done more movies. Go look at their IMDB profiles. Nolan has more GREAT movies on his resume and has no bad movies on his resume, whereas Boyle has quite a few mediocre/bad ones sprinkled throughout his career.

[Steelsheen]

precisely!! yet cause it's Danny Boyle (the director of The Beach, Trainspotting and 28 Days Later) suddenly as a whole it's better than Dark Knight? (from the director of The Prestige and Memento) i call shenanigans!

(in these parenthesis, which director had better movies?)
hmm, i'd say Nolan. his body of work is just better compared to Boyle. (this assessment excluding TDK and Slumdog)


Nolan's had a better career AND he's 14 years younger. Don't forget that aspect of it too. They probably figure they can award Nolan later in his career for a less mainstream movie, although they already snubbed him for two of the best non-mainstream movies of the decade in The Prestige and Memento.
nailed it on the head right there man. :up:

[byte19]

hey boom, why stop at first nominated? apparently WB wants highest grossing film of all time, thought we were talking setting the bar?

[Steelsheen]

I'm uploading them both separate. They aren't done yet, I'll post them when they are.
alrighty then dude. i'll be checking this thread regularly, but in case your post gets lost in the mix, can you PM me the links too?

[Boom]

hey boom, why stop at first nominated? apparently WB wants highest grossing film of all time, thought we were talking setting the bar?
They're not going to get it. They'll be lucky to get more than $20 million out of the re-release.

Of course, I wouldn't mind being proven wrong.

[byte19]

i'll try to hold you to that.....

[Heretic]

A rerelease, with DVD in everyones homes...just isnt going to pull 70 million.

Aint gonna happen. I'm willing to throw a viewing or two in for good meaure, but come on...

[Boom]

Especially if the re-release is limited to IMAX theaters.

[Etienne]

What track was it that played when Nolan was going to accept Heath's award? Was that part in LaDCC?

[WVsax27]

agian, sorry for any fuzz in the video...that is just how VH1 comes in here.


Best Supporting Actor

http://rapidshare.com/files/181277857/BSA.avi

Best Action Movie

http://rapidshare.com/files/181279022/TITLE03.avi

If anyone else wants to upload them to youtube, please feel free. I'll do it tomorrow if no one else does

[batman11]

What track was it that played when Nolan was going to accept Heath's award? Was that part in LaDCC?

It was from "A Dark Knight", starting at the 3:03 mark. It's always been may favorite piece from the score that never made it into the film, above all other segments that were unfortunately not included. This particular part of the score screams a dark and tragic mood, perfectly fitting the theme of the film.

[Bubastis]

You know, I adore TDK as much as the next person on these boards. I think it was more or less a masterpiece, I think it was definitive batman, It's one of my favorite movies of all time, and I think that it's one of the most important films of this decade. But I also think that most of those things can also be said for Slumdog Millionaire, and just because it received more praise than The Dark Knight doesn't mean we should bash it or Danny Boyle, who deserves an enormous deal of respect for Slumdog Millionaire and his general body of work.

[Captain Planet!]

I don't understand all of the Slumdog Soundtrack love. No, I haven't seen the movie and I am sure it is great and fits the movie and everything, but I listened to it... And it's unique and all, but better than Ben Butt's or TDK's? I think not. It was good, but did it make you JIZZ IN YOUR PANTS like TDK did?

[luke1234]

You know, I adore TDK as much as the next person on these boards. I think it was more or less a masterpiece, I think it was definitive batman, It's one of my favorite movies of all time, and I think that it's one of the most important films of this decade. But I also think that most of those things can also be said for Slumdog Millionaire, and just because it received more praise than The Dark Knight doesn't mean we should bash it or Danny Boyle, who deserves an enormous deal of respect for Slumdog Millionaire and his general body of work.

I agree, Boyle went out of his Genre and created a Masterpiece and so did all these directors. GVS for milk, Fincher for button. They all did one hell of a job.

This is gonna be an awesome year for the best direction award. Nolan, Fincher, Boyle, and maybe Aronofsky this was a great year for my favorite directors

[luke1234]

I don't understand all of the Slumdog Soundtrack love. No, I haven't seen the movie and I am sure it is great and fits the movie and everything, but I listened to it... And it's unique and all, but better than Ben Butt's or TDK's? I think not. It was good, but did it make you JIZZ IN YOUR PANTS like TDK did?

I agree with you, Ben Butts and TDK's soundtracks are on a whole different level then any other soundtrack this year

[Anita18]

Ben Burtt did Wall-E's sound design. :o Thomas Newman did the soundtrack. :oldrazz:

[Anita18]

LOL I think they made the Best Action Movie award just so TDK could win something. :funny:

[Kargo Warrior]

The 7th Annual Central Ohio Film Critics Association Awards, honoring the best in film for 2008, were announced on January 8, 2009.

Best Supporting Actor
• Heath Ledger - (The Dark Knight)• Runner-Up (tie): Eddie Marsan - (Happy-Go-Lucky)
• Runner-Up (tie): Philip Seymour Hoffman - (Doubt)

Best Ensemble
• The Dark Knight
• Runner-Up: Slumdog Millionaire

Best Cinematography
• Wally Pfister - (The Dark Knight)
• Runner-Up: Anthony Dod Mantle - (Slumdog Millionaire)


:woot::woot:

[WVsax27]

I don't understand all of the Slumdog Soundtrack love. No, I haven't seen the movie and I am sure it is great and fits the movie and everything, but I listened to it... And it's unique and all, but better than Ben Butt's or TDK's? I think not. It was good, but did it make you JIZZ IN YOUR PANTS like TDK did?

Slumdog's score was one of my few issues with the movie...sure it was unique, but it was a bit much in places.

[Anita18]

The 7th Annual Central Ohio Film Critics Association Awards, honoring the best in film for 2008, were announced on January 8, 2009.

Best Supporting Actor
• Heath Ledger - (The Dark Knight)• Runner-Up (tie): Eddie Marsan - (Happy-Go-Lucky)
• Runner-Up (tie): Philip Seymour Hoffman - (Doubt)

Best Ensemble
• The Dark Knight
• Runner-Up: Slumdog Millionaire

Best Cinematography
• Wally Pfister - (The Dark Knight)
• Runner-Up: Anthony Dod Mantle - (Slumdog Millionaire)


:woot::woot:
Nice, although Ohio is big enough to warrant several regional critics groups? :funny:

[luke1234]

The 7th Annual Central Ohio Film Critics Association Awards, honoring the best in film for 2008, were announced on January 8, 2009.

Best Supporting Actor
• Heath Ledger - (The Dark Knight)• Runner-Up (tie): Eddie Marsan - (Happy-Go-Lucky)
• Runner-Up (tie): Philip Seymour Hoffman - (Doubt)

Best Ensemble
• The Dark Knight
• Runner-Up: Slumdog Millionaire

Best Cinematography
• Wally Pfister - (The Dark Knight)
• Runner-Up: Anthony Dod Mantle - (Slumdog Millionaire)


:woot::woot:

Ohio has film critics? i thought that state was just football and farmland

[Etienne]

I don't understand all of the Slumdog Soundtrack love. No, I haven't seen the movie and I am sure it is great and fits the movie and everything, but I listened to it... And it's unique and all, but better than Ben Butt's or TDK's? I think not. It was good, but did it make you JIZZ IN YOUR PANTS like TDK did?
:funny: That's a great way of putting it. :word:

[Captain Planet!]

Ben Burtt did Wall-E's sound design. :o Thomas Newman did the soundtrack. :oldrazz:
I said "Butt", Anita. BUTT. :cwink:
LOL I think they made the Best Action Movie award just so TDK could win something. :funny:
The only nominees should have been The Dark Knight, The Dark Knight, TDK, The Dark Knight, and The Dark Knight.

And was it just me, or did Bale look pissed when Milk won for Best Ensemble?

[Anita18]

And was it just me, or did Bale look pissed when Milk won for Best Ensemble?
When doesn't he look pissed off? :funny: I'm kinda half-watching and I actually recognized his wife first. She brings the :woot:

[Nirvana]

Wow, this thread grew substantially since the last time I was in here. :wow:

[SonikDeath]

Can someone upload them onto youtube, please. :D

[Kargo Warrior]

Here's an interesting trivia:

Xavier Bardem didn't won the exact same awards last year that Heath didnt...NBR,Satellites and NSFC...he also didnt won San Diego and Los Angeles while Heath didnt won New York but they have the same sweeping path winning everything else.

Heath has this in the bag.....as if he hadnt before i wrote this.:o:grin:

[batman11]

Xavier? Nice. X and J aren't even close on the keyboard. :hehe:

Lol j/k :woot:

[Etienne]

agian, sorry for any fuzz in the video...that is just how VH1 comes in here.


Best Supporting Actor

http://rapidshare.com/files/181277857/BSA.avi

Best Action Movie

http://rapidshare.com/files/181279022/TITLE03.avi

If anyone else wants to upload them to youtube, please feel free. I'll do it tomorrow if no one else does
Awesome thanks WV. :up:
It was from "A Dark Knight", starting at the 3:03 mark. It's always been may favorite piece from the score that never made it into the film, above all other segments that were unfortunately not included. This particular part of the score screams a dark and tragic mood, perfectly fitting the theme of the film.
That's it, what a great piece to play.

[luke1234]

Xavier? Nice. X and J aren't even close on the keyboard. :hehe:

Lol j/k :woot:

ahha

[Anita18]

Aww, the music from Man on Wire is bringing me back to when I saw the movie. What an inspiring documentary.

Chris Nolan looks :csad: having to accept the award for Heath. But :heart: for him and the standing ovation for Heath. And yeah, definitely an epic piece to play from the soundtrack.

[Kargo Warrior]

Xavier? Nice. X and J aren't even close on the keyboard. :hehe:

Lol j/k :woot:

:hehe:

That's how his name is pronounced/written in my country so i got carried away :o:woot:

[Etienne]

Chris Nolan looks :csad: having to accept the award for Heath. But :heart: for him and the standing ovation for Heath. And yeah, definitely an epic piece to play from the soundtrack.
Having Eckhart there to pat him on the back just made that moment sweeter.

[luke1234]

So guys, which WB movie will win more oscars? Benjamin Button or The Dark Knight? Both will be nominated in the same categories and both are considered the "epics" of the academy this year.

[Octoberist]

they also have gran torino (which is an okay film)

[luke1234]

they also have gran torino (which is an okay film)

yeah that movies just okay, watching eastwood be racist as hell is fun but thats it lol. Na but that movie is good, it just probably wont win any awards

[WVsax27]

People said it was purely political in 2004 when Return of the King became the most winning movie of all time at the Academy Awards and did the clean sweep. Brian Helgeland who had written Mystic River and others said the Academy if they gave it to LOTR were giving it for all three and not just on the merit of the third.


Lost in Translation was actually the best reviewed film that year...but there was no way they would have went for a small indie dramedy like that.

[redfirebird2008]

So guys, which WB movie will win more oscars? Benjamin Button or The Dark Knight? Both will be nominated in the same categories and both are considered the "epics" of the academy this year.

Paramount made Button, not WB.

[Kargo Warrior]

Lost in Translation was actually the best reviewed film that year...but there was no way they would have went for a small indie dramedy like that.

ROTK has 94% on RT with 8,6 average and LIT has 95% with 8,4 average...they had similar reviews but there was so much going for ROTK,the 2 previous movies were nominated for best picture,it's the second highest grossing ever etc...that when 2 movies are that close,the one win that kind of advantige wins.

I hope TDK does that to Slumdog....similar reviews but the impact TDK has made as a groundbreaking political comic book movie absolutelly dwarfes Slumdog in comparison.

[luke1234]

Paramount made Button, not WB.

Yeah but its still on the WB website and on the WB for your consideration website

[redfirebird2008]

ROTK has 94% on RT with 8,6 average and LIT has 95% with 8,4 average...they had similar reviews but there was so much going for ROTK,the 2 previous movies were nominated for best picture,it's the second highest grossing ever etc...that when 2 movies are that close,the one win that kind of advantige wins.

I hope TDK does that to Slumdog....similar reviews but the impact TDK has made as a groundbreaking political comic book movie absolutelly dwarfes Slumdog in comparison.

If the economy wasn't in the gutter, TDK might have a chance. But because it is in the gutter, Slumdog has perfect timing because it's a rags to riches story with a lot of optimism whereas TDK is pretty depressing.

[redfirebird2008]

Yeah but its still on the WB website and on the WB for your consideration website

Warner has international distribution on it. WB also has 50% distribution rights on Slumdog (both domestic and international) with Fox Searchlight.

[luke1234]

Warner has international distribution on it. WB also has international distribution on Slumdog.

yeah whatever thats beside the point. The point that im making is that Benjamin Button and Dark Knight will most likely have the most nominations (picture,director,artd,sfx,score,blablablaba). Im just asking whos gonna bring home the gold?

[redfirebird2008]

yeah whatever thats beside the point. The point that im making is that Benjamin Button and Dark Knight will most likely have the most nominations (picture,director,artd,sfx,score,blablablaba). Im just asking whos gonna bring home the gold?

Who cares? Neither one of them will win in the major categories so it's irrelevant. Slumdog is going to win in pretty much all the major categories. Picture, Director, Screenplay, et al.

[Captain Planet!]

I am going to stick by my predictions I posted on Tuesday:

Best Picture:

Frost/Nixon
Milk
Slumdog Millionaire
The Curious Case of Benjamin Button*
The Dark Knight


Best Director:

Danny Boyle, Slumdog Millionaire
David Fincher, The Curious Case of Benjamin Button*
Ron Howard, Frost/Nixon
Christopher Nolan, The Dark Knight
Gus Van Sant, Milk

Best Actor:

Clint Eastwood, Gran Torino
Frank Langella, Frost/Nixon
Brad Pitt, The Curious Case of Benjamin Button
Sean Penn, Milk*
Mickey Rourke, The Wrestler


Best Actress:

Anne Hathaway, Rachel Getting Married
Cate Blanchett, The Curious Case of Benjamin Button
Angelina Jolie, Changeling
Meryl Streep, Doubt*
Kate Winslet, Revolutionary Road


Best Supporting Actor:

Josh Brolin, Milk
Philip Seymour Hoffman, Doubt
Aaron Eckhart, The Dark Knight (This is what SHOULD happen, but it won't. Instead it will most likely be Robert Downey Jr., Tropic Thunder)
Heath Ledger, The Dark Knight*
Dev Patel, Slumdog Millionaire

Best Supporting Actress:

Penelope Cruz, Vicky Cristina Barcelona
Viola Davis, Doubt
Taraji P. Hensen, The Curious Case of Benjamin Button
Marisa Tomei, The Wrestler
Kate Winslet, The Reader*


Best Original Screenplay:

Woody Allen, Vicky Cristina Barcelona
Dustin Lance Black, Milk*
Mike Leigh, Happy-Go-Lucky
Jenny Lumet, Rachel Getting Married
Andrew Stanton and Jim Reardon, WALL-E


Best Adapted Screenplay:

Eric Roth, The Curious Case Of Benjamin Button
John Patrick Shanley, Doubt
Peter Morgan, Frost/Nixon
David Hare, The Reader
Simon Beaufoy, Slumdog Millionaire*


Best Animated Feature:

Kung Fu Panda
Wall-E*
Bolt

Best Achievement in Cinematography

Frost/Nixon
Revoloutionary Road
Slumdog Millionaire
The Curious Case of Benjamin Button*
The Dark Knight


Best Achievement in Editing

Frost/Nixon
Milk
Slumdog Millionaire
The Curious Case of Benjamin Button
The Dark Knight*


Best Achievement in Art Direction

The Curious Case of Benjamin Button*
Revolutionary Road
Changeling
Duchess
The Dark Knight


Best Achievement in Costume Design

Changeling
Duchess*
Revolutionary Road
The Fall
The Curious Case of Benjamin Button


Best Achievement in Makeup

Hellboy 2: The Golden Army
The Curious Case of Benjamin Button*
The Dark Knight

Best Original Score

Frost/Nixon
The Dark Knight*
Slumdog Millionaire
The Curious Case of Benjamin Button
Wall-E


Best Original Song

The Wrestler, Bruce Springsteen, The Wrestler*
Down to Earth” by Peter Gabriel and Thomas Newman, Wall-E
Gran Torino, by Clint Eastwood, Gran Torino
Once in a Lifetime, Cadillac Records
Jaiho, Slumdog Millionaire


Best Achievement in Sound Mixing

Iron Man
The Dark Knight*
Wall-E


Best Achievement in Sound Editing

Iron Man
The Dark Knight*
Wall-E


Best Achievement in Visual Effects

Hellboy 2: The Golden Army
The Curious Case of Benjamin Button*
Iron Man


TCCOBB: 6 Wins

TDK: 5 Wins

[Kargo Warrior]

If the economy wasn't in the gutter, TDK might have a chance. But because it is in the gutter, Slumdog has perfect timing because it's a rags to riches story with a lot of optimism whereas TDK is pretty depressing.

We shall see...i never lose hope :woot:

Maybe the old guys at the academy will appreciate the dark tone and story more :oldrazz:

[Robin91939]

I just saw Gran Torino. I think it's a great film. It was entertaining, well written, provocative and sad. But it wasn't as good as The Dark Knight. I realize that this isn't a film that is in huge contention for the little golden man- but it is a contender.

I've also just seen The Curious Case of Benjamin Button. Now, I loved this film. But during it I did feel it's length. I loved it- thought it was insanely well acted- had marvelous make-up/fx, and was thought provoking and smart. This is said to be a serious contender later this month, and I still felt that The Dark Knight was a more entertaining, well acted, better written, film. Adding in the ethical questions that The Dark Knight raises- and it's even more thought provoking.

I have yet to see Doubt or Slumdog Millionaire but plan on seeing at least one of those this weekend. This year, I really want to see all of the major candidates before crying that the The Dark Knight either: Didn't win or wasn't nominated.

The bolds are the contenders I've seen.

Frost/Nixon
The Curious Case of Benjamin Button
Gran Torino
Doubt
The Dark Knight
The Reader
Milk
The Wrestler
Changeling
Slumdog Millionaire

Slumdog Millionaire, Doubt, The Wrestler, Milk, and Frost/Nixon are next on my list to see- by the Oscars I plan to have seen these. I have little interest to see The Reader and probably won't. I don't believe that my stance will change. The Dark Knight should at least receive a nomination. I've seen The Curious Case of Benjamin Button, loved it, but still felt that The Dark Knight delivered more. This is a film that is almost a front-runner and I feel that it didn't match The Dark Knight in overall quality.

I'll be very upset and surprised, if on January 22nd, we are all as disappointed as we were the day the Golden Globe Nominations were announced.

-R

[luke1234]

Who cares? Neither one of them will win in the major categories so it's irrelevant. Slumdog is going to win in pretty much all the major categories. Picture, Director, Screenplay, et al.

I definitely disagree with that. I think picture and director is a lock for BB and Fincher. Fincher is on a whole different level then the other directors in this category imo.

[Kargo Warrior]

I definitely disagree with that. I think picture and director is a lock for BB and Fincher. Fincher is on a whole different level then the other directors in this category imo.


:huh:

How is it a lock when Danny Boyle has won almost every award.Fincher has won only one...2 months ago.

He has zero hype and momentum.

[luke1234]

:huh:

How is it a lock when Danny Boyle has won almost every award.Fincher has won only one...2 months ago.

He has zero hype and momentum.

Idk man i just got this gut feeling, Fincher should of been nominated and won for Zodiac back in 06 and when they win at the Golden Globes, theyll pick up more momentum.

[WVsax27]

Idk man i just got this gut feeling, Fincher should of been nominated and won for Zodiac back in 06 and when they win at the Golden Globes, theyll pick up more momentum.

Zodiac was actually a 2007 film...it was supposed to come out in time for the 2006 awards, but it was pushed back because of editing issues. The result was a really early release date that pretty much killed its chances. It picked up a WGA nomination, but that was about it.

[redfirebird2008]

I definitely disagree with that. I think picture and director is a lock for BB and Fincher. Fincher is on a whole different level then the other directors in this category imo.

I disagree with that assertion. Nolan's better than Fincher and he's 8 years younger.

[Robin91939]

I disagree with that assertion. Nolan's better than Fincher and he's 8 years younger.


That’s actually really true.



If you look at the reviews for each director’s body of work on Rottentomatoes.com, you see that Christopher Nolan is of much more critical acclaim than David Fincher. I love a lot of Fincher’s films (Se7en, Fight Club, Benjamin Button are some of my favorite films), but I have yet to see a Christopher Nolan film that I did not like.

If he continues this, he’ll soon be regarded as one of the best director’s of our time, up there with: Scorsese, Coppolla, Spielberg, Stone, Scott, Eastwood, Cameron, Mann, Jackson, and Howard. With the body of work he is building, he could be near the top of that list. His work is so different. Unlike Scorsese, Mann or Stone- who when you watch a Scorsese, Mann, or Stone film- it feels like a Scorsese, Mann or Stone film, when you watch a Nolan film- you don’t know. All of his films have a different feel to them- a different theme.



The first percentage is the tomatometer (all critics) and the second is the Cream of the Crop (Top Critics) I did their percentages under, Nolan dominates.


Christopher Nolan:
.................................................. .........All Critics...Top Critics
1.) The Dark Knight..................................94%....... 90%
2.) The Prestige..................................... 75%......56%
3.) Batman Begins....................................84%..... ..62%
4.) Insomnia.......................................... .92%.......94%
5.) Momento........................................... 94%.......94%
6.) Following......................................... ..81%.......n/a

Top Critics: 79.2%
All Critics: 86.66%


David Fincher:
.................................................. ...........All Critics...Top Critics
1.) The Curious Case of Benjamin Button...........72%.......77%
2.) Zodiac............................................ ........89%......82%
3.) Panic Room.............................................. 77%......68%
4.) Fight Club.............................................. ..81%......65%
5.) The Game.............................................. ..79%......67%
6.) Se7en............................................. ........84%......63%
7.) Alien3............................................ .........34%......n/a

Top Critics: 70.33%

All Critics: 73.71%


Nolan is 8.87% higher than Fincher in the Top Critics.
Nolan is 12.95% higher than Fincher in All Critics.


I'm the first to say that Fincher is a great director. He's one of the best working, but I will agree that Nolan is better, and can be one of the elite. If nothing else- the Academy should recognize what he has accomplished on The Dark Knight as just another in a line of successes for Mr. Nolan. Much like how they rewarded Peter Jackson after so many flirtations with greatness (Lord of the Rings: Return of the King) or how they finally awarded Martin Scorsese after so much great work (The Departed), maybe they'll do the same with Christopher Nolan this year. Hopefully, they do not make him complete his trilogy to reward him, as they did with Jackson.


-R

[Anita18]

If he continues this, he’ll soon be regarded as one of the best director’s of our time, up there with: Scorsese, Coppolla, Spielberg, Stone, Scott, Eastwood, Cameron, Mann, Jackson, and Howard. With the body of work he is building, he could be near the top of that list. His work is so different. Unlike Scorsese, Mann or Stone- who when you watch a Scorsese, Mann, or Stone film- it feels like a Scorsese, Mann or Stone film, when you watch a Nolan film- you don’t know. All of his films have a different feel to them- a different theme.
Actually I think that Nolan's films have a similar feel to them. (I've definitely seen Nolan referred to as a an auteur, which means he's got a very distinctive directing style.) He doesn't do light-hearted stuff, for one, and all of his protagonists have issues with obsession and/or guilt. The scope of TDK was certainly larger than Memento's scope, but the characters essentially feel like they could be plucked out of the same world.

If anything, I've heard that Nolan's very easy to work with despite his tightly controlled productions, while Fincher is notoriously difficult. Whether that has an affect on AMPAS voting, I have no clue.

[baerrtt]

We shall see...i never lose hope :woot:

Maybe the old guys at the academy will appreciate the dark tone and story more :oldrazz:

I'd love to see TDK walk away with the big award come the end of February (now it's Best Pic nom is likely/possible) but would the Academy reward Best Picture to another tonally dark film for the third year in a row?

After THE DEPARTED and NO COUNTRY FOR OLD MEN they may feel ready to give the prize to the kind of overall uplifiting film they used to reward ad nauseum.

[WVsax27]

the whole show is now posted on VH1 http://www.vh1.com/video/play.jhtml?id=1602193&vid=330082

[TheVileOne]

Just remember guys. Critical reviews don't necessarily determine Academy Awards.

LIT and ROTK: Keep in mind it's a lot of industry people that do the votes. The Academy, not really the critics.

Also, LIT did get best original screenplay. Typically, the Academy makes Best Original Screenplay a consolation prize award. Like they will give the award to a very well received indie drama that won't get many other wins or nominations elsewhere. See Eternal Sunshine.

[hatebox]

And Juno (shudders).

[redfirebird2008]

And Juno (shudders).

The idea that Juno's writer has an Oscar while the Nolan Brothers don't is kind of disturbing to me. Memento and The Prestige both hold up better with repeat viewings and will hold up better over time too. Juno was the ultimate in gimmicky movies.

[Boom]

I feel stupid for asking. What's LIT?

[Hunter Rider]

I feel stupid for asking. What's LIT?

Lost in Translation.

[Boom]

Thanks, Hunter.

And what's your take on all of this?

[Anita18]

Someone over at Awards Daily pointed out that a film completely shut out by the BFCA has never gone on to win Best Picture at the Oscars. This year, that would include Benjamin Button and Frost/Nixon. Even without the best action movie consolation prize, Heath Ledger won for TDK.

And this poster thought that probably means the BP race is between TDK and Slumdog. I frankly wouldn't count out Milk, but considering its lack of box office clout, that poster could very well be right! :funny:

Even though I didn't care as much for Slumdog as a film as I did TDK, seeing them win is so cute. They were SO EXCITED each time they came up. Freida Pinto is the cutest thing ever. Nolan seems like couldn't get truly excited about anything if he tried - he's the epitome of calm and collected.

[TLH]

Best Original Score

Frost/Nixon
The Dark Knight*
Slumdog Millionaire
The Curious Case of Benjamin Button
Wall-E


I thought TDK was disqualified from being nominated?




When are the nominees being announced? Does anybody know?

[Boom]

January 22nd.

And the Academy decided to re-qualify The Dark Knight.

[The Chris]

I thought TDK was disqualified from being nominated?




When are the nominees being announced? Does anybody know?

They changed their minds. January 22nd is when the oscars are announced.

[luke1234]

Just remember guys. Critical reviews don't necessarily determine Academy Awards.

LIT and ROTK: Keep in mind it's a lot of industry people that do the votes. The Academy, not really the critics.

Also, LIT did get best original screenplay. Typically, the Academy makes Best Original Screenplay a consolation prize award. Like they will give the award to a very well received indie drama that won't get many other wins or nominations elsewhere. See Eternal Sunshine.

Eternal Sunshine did win best original screenplay though, its a shame that Synedoche NY, which i believe is one of the best written films of all time isnt even qualifying because most people aren't really getting it.

[Steelsheen]

agian, sorry for any fuzz in the video...that is just how VH1 comes in here.


Best Supporting Actor

http://rapidshare.com/files/181277857/BSA.avi

Best Action Movie

http://rapidshare.com/files/181279022/TITLE03.avi


If anyone else wants to upload them to youtube, please feel free. I'll do it tomorrow if no one else does
the whole show is now posted on VH1 http://www.vh1.com/video/play.jhtml?id=1602193&vid=330082
thanks so much for these dude! :bow:


LOL I think they made the Best Action Movie award just so TDK could win something. :funny:
i didnt even know they had such a category. something like that is usually from MTV or People's Choice.


And was it just me, or did Bale look pissed when Milk won for Best Ensemble?
i wish the BB/TDK core cast would win an ensemble award. i mean geezus a few years ago when the full casting roster was released for BB it was like the stars have aligned to make this great cast possible. and truth to be told, its still one of the greatest casting ensemble ever done for a movie since.... what Oceans 11? and without a doubt this group has better talent quotient than the wannabe rat pack.


The idea that Juno's writer has an Oscar while the Nolan Brothers don't is kind of disturbing to me. Memento and The Prestige both hold up better with repeat viewings and will hold up better over time too. Juno was the ultimate in gimmicky movies.
very true. i'm hoping that they would win the WGAs and the Oscars Screenplay award to at least acknowledge their past efforts in films not as popular as TDK.



Even though I didn't care as much for Slumdog as a film as I did TDK, seeing them win is so cute. They were SO EXCITED each time they came up. Freida Pinto is the cutest thing ever. Nolan seems like couldn't get truly excited about anything if he tried - he's the epitome of calm and collected.
LOL i'm starting to think that the English has an actual gene for this :p

[luke1234]

That’s actually really true.



If you look at the reviews for each director’s body of work on Rottentomatoes.com, you see that Christopher Nolan is of much more critical acclaim than David Fincher. I love a lot of Fincher’s films (Se7en, Fight Club, Benjamin Button are some of my favorite films), but I have yet to see a Christopher Nolan film that I did not like.

If he continues this, he’ll soon be regarded as one of the best director’s of our time, up there with: Scorsese, Coppolla, Spielberg, Stone, Scott, Eastwood, Cameron, Mann, Jackson, and Howard. With the body of work he is building, he could be near the top of that list. His work is so different. Unlike Scorsese, Mann or Stone- who when you watch a Scorsese, Mann, or Stone film- it feels like a Scorsese, Mann or Stone film, when you watch a Nolan film- you don’t know. All of his films have a different feel to them- a different theme.



The first percentage is the tomatometer (all critics) and the second is the Cream of the Crop (Top Critics) I did their percentages under, Nolan dominates.


Christopher Nolan:
.................................................. .........All Critics...Top Critics
1.) The Dark Knight..................................94%....... 90%
2.) The Prestige..................................... 75%......56%
3.) Batman Begins....................................84%..... ..62%
4.) Insomnia.......................................... .92%.......94%
5.) Momento........................................... 94%.......94%
6.) Following......................................... ..81%.......n/a

Top Critics: 79.2%
All Critics: 86.66%


David Fincher:
.................................................. ...........All Critics...Top Critics
1.) The Curious Case of Benjamin Button...........72%.......77%
2.) Zodiac............................................ ........89%......82%
3.) Panic Room.............................................. 77%......68%
4.) Fight Club.............................................. ..81%......65%
5.) The Game.............................................. ..79%......67%
6.) Se7en............................................. ........84%......63%
7.) Alien3............................................ .........34%......n/a

Top Critics: 70.33%

All Critics: 73.71%


Nolan is 8.87% higher than Fincher in the Top Critics.
Nolan is 12.95% higher than Fincher in All Critics.


I'm the first to say that Fincher is a great director. He's one of the best working, but I will agree that Nolan is better, and can be one of the elite. If nothing else- the Academy should recognize what he has accomplished on The Dark Knight as just another in a line of successes for Mr. Nolan. Much like how they rewarded Peter Jackson after so many flirtations with greatness (Lord of the Rings: Return of the King) or how they finally awarded Martin Scorsese after so much great work (The Departed), maybe they'll do the same with Christopher Nolan this year. Hopefully, they do not make him complete his trilogy to reward him, as they did with Jackson.


-R


Yeah its all based on opinion. Christopher Nolan is a splendid young director and he will defiintily be one of the greats. I just think in my opinion Fincher has a better grasp on his actors and his shots. Its funny cause they are both very similar directors. Nolan really proved himself in Dark Knight which is his masterpiece (followed by Prestige). I just think Fincher has done more for film in the past decade. You can find all the critic comparison you want but thats just my opinion.

[The Chris]

Art Direction Guild nominations


Period Films

CHANGELING
Production Designer: James J. Murakami

THE CURIOUS CASE OF BENJAMIN BUTTON
Production Designer: Donald Graham Burt

DOUBT
Production Designer: David Gropman

FROST/NIXON
Production Designer: Michael Corenblith

MILK
Production Designer: Bill Groom

Fantasy Films

THE DARK KNIGHT
Production Designer: Nathan Crowley

INDIANA JONES AND THE KINGDOM OF THE CRYSTAL SKULL
Production Designer: Guy Hendrix Dyas

IRON MAN
Production Designer: J. Michael Riva

THE SPIDERWICK CHRONICLES
Production Designer: James Bissell

WALL E
Production Designer: Ralph Eggleston

Contemporary Films

BURN AFTER READING
Production Designer: Jess Gonchor

GRAN TORINO
Production Designer: James J. Murakami

QUANTUM OF SOLACE
Production Designer: Dennis Gassner

SLUMDOG MILLIONAIRE
Production Designer: Mark Digby

THE WRESTLER
Production Designer: Timothy Grimes

http://www.artdirectors.org/?art=nominee_08

[luke1234]

wow im surprised Hellboy 2 didnt make it on that list, bummer

[Steelsheen]

wow im surprised Hellboy 2 didnt make it on that list, bummer
exactly. i was fully expecting it to be the lead movie way ahead of TDK or IM.

[luke1234]

exactly. i was fully expecting it to be the lead movie way ahead of TDK or IM.

yeah man the production design for movie was massive, even down to the smallest sketch in Del Toros little book. This makes me sad, hopefully theyre still noticed by the academy

[The Chris]

I would have definitely put it ahead of the spiderwick chronicles in production design.

[luke1234]

I would have definitely put it ahead of the spiderwick chronicles in production design.

i would put it ahead of every movie on the list except for maybe tdk and wall-e

[The Chris]

i would put it ahead of every movie on the list except for maybe tdk and wall-e

Yes to that. I'm a little conflicted on Wall-E because it's animated, and it's weird for me to compare live-action and animated for production design, yet there is no denying that it's beautiful though.

Everything needs designing, so there it is.

[luke1234]

Yes to that. I'm a little conflicted on Wall-E because it's animated, and it's weird for me to compare live-action and animated for production design, yet there is no denying that it's beautiful though.

Everything needs designing, so there it is.

yeah but you can tell those animators put in a hell of alotta work. Indeed it is beautiful.

[TheVileOne]

Eternal Sunshine did win best original screenplay though, its a shame that Synedoche NY, which i believe is one of the best written films of all time isnt even qualifying because most people aren't really getting it.
There is no though. That's why I pointed it out. Eternal Sunshine got the consolation prize which is the best original screenplay award.

Juno's another win. No best picture, director, or actor award, but Diablo Cody wins best original screenplay.

[General Vulcun]

could someone upload Heath Ledger's complete win (including nominees) to youtube? Canadians aren't allowed to view MTV videos, so I can't watch it via the VH1 link.

[Hyzer]

could someone upload Heath Ledger's complete win (including nominees) to youtube? Canadians aren't allowed to view MTV videos, so I can't watch it via the VH1 link.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJBKcGUBo2Q

Simple search for "critics choice heath ledger". :oldrazz:

[WVsax27]

edit: n/m someone posted a like while I typed this.

[General Vulcun]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJBKcGUBo2Q

Simple search for "critics choice heath ledger". :oldrazz:lol, didn't see that one yet. Thanks a bunch!

[redfirebird2008]

Just watched Slumdog and did not think it was as good as TDK, and that is even taking into consideration the fact that TDK is too long and has some pretty stupid moments in it. When TDK is good, it is off the charts good. Slumdog was just consistently good. And the end credits are cheesy as hell. That is NOT my idea of how a Best Picture winner should have its end credits sequence. Reminds me of something out of Austin Powers.

Too bad this year is the year that Hollywood is deciding to rally around a film about the slums of another country. City of God blows this one out of the water. Actually City of God blows TDK out of the water too. Yet it wasn't even nominated.

[Anita18]

Just watched Slumdog and did not think it was as good as TDK, and that is even taking into consideration the fact that TDK is too long and has some pretty stupid moments in it. When TDK is good, it is off the charts good. Slumdog was just consistently good. And the end credits are cheesy as hell. That is NOT my idea of how a Best Picture winner should have its end credits sequence. Reminds me of something out of Austin Powers.

Too bad this year is the year that Hollywood is deciding to rally around a film about the slums of another country. City of God blows this one out of the water. Actually City of God blows TDK out of the water too. Yet it wasn't even nominated.
I thought the first half of Slumdog was amazing, all because of the child actors. The opening credits, where the kids are running through the slums of Mumbai, is one of the most enthralling things I've seen in a movie. But in the second half, I didn't buy the adult versions of the characters. I'm very blah that Dev Patel might get a supporting actor nod. The other characters also seemed more caricature-ish to me as well. I mean, what was UP with that host? They didn't show his motivation about what he did at all, other than it was HIS show and he was all pissed off because of that? All righty then. Jamal's insistence at finding Latika for more than a decade, I found more believable when I reminded myself that the main characters were all teenagers. 18-year-olds have an excuse to be pathetically naive. :funny:

I'm not familiar with Bollywood movies, but from I understand, they utilize song-and-dance numbers ALL THE TIME. So the end credits was most likely a reference to that. And it was a fun sort of out-there, not a lame sort of out-there like Austin Powers. :funny:

I haven't seen City of God. :csad:

[redfirebird2008]

I thought the first half of Slumdog was amazing, all because of the child actors. The opening credits, where the kids are running through the slums of Mumbai, is one of the most enthralling things I've seen in a movie. But in the second half, I didn't buy the adult versions of the characters. I'm very blah that Dev Patel might get a supporting actor nod. The other characters also seemed more caricature-ish to me as well. I mean, what was UP with that host? They didn't show his motivation about what he did at all, other than it was HIS show and he was all pissed off because of that? All righty then. Jamal's insistence at finding Latika for more than a decade, I found more believable when I reminded myself that the main characters were all teenagers. 18-year-olds have an excuse to be pathetically naive. :funny:

I'm not familiar with Bollywood movies, but from I understand, they utilize song-and-dance numbers ALL THE TIME. So the end credits was most likely a reference to that. And it was a fun sort of out-there, not a lame sort of out-there like Austin Powers. :funny:

I haven't seen City of God. :csad:

You need to rent or download it immediately. City of God is quite possibly the best movie of this decade and probably in the top 5 for the last 2 decades. It is brutal to watch adolescents behaving the way they do, but it's based on a true story and the story is incredible. The way it's told is very interesting. Like I said, it blows away all of the movies from this year and it's better than No Country as well.

I am watching The Wrestler right now.

[redfirebird2008]

Wow, when Rourke first goes to see his daughter, that's a hell of a scene. Her response to the news that he's had a heart attack is probably similar to how I'd react if I had a deadbeat parent. "You're such an a-hole. You want me to take care of you. Where the hell were you when I needed you to take care of me?!"

So far I think I like the Wrestler better than Slumdog.

[hatebox]

Just watched Slumdog and did not think it was as good as TDK, and that is even taking into consideration the fact that TDK is too long and has some pretty stupid moments in it. When TDK is good, it is off the charts good. Slumdog was just consistently good. And the end credits are cheesy as hell. That is NOT my idea of how a Best Picture winner should have its end credits sequence. Reminds me of something out of Austin Powers.

You won't like Bollywood films in general then...

[redfirebird2008]

You won't like Bollywood films in general then...

Is that how "serious" Bollywood films are? I can understand it in a comedy. Because Slumdog didn't feel like a comedy to me, yet out of nowhere comes the BS comedy dancing during the end credits. Stupid.

[hatebox]

Is that how serious Bollywood films are? Because Slumdog didn't feel like a comedy to me, yet out of nowhere comes the BS comedy dancing during the end credits. Stupid.

Welcome to a different culture I guess....

[byte19]

just seen slumdog's credits.... nothing new. not one. so Bollywood doesn't get noticed until a Euorpean director comes along, makes it as violent as he can even for Bolly's standards, sticks the traditional Bollywood ending on it and suddenly people are like wow i'm so interested in what comes out of India's movie world? it all started when old man Gere was about to lose his head for kissing the female equivalent to Jessica Lange in the 80's over in Bollywood. now you're taking notice?
can not wait til this time next year when we do this for John Woo's Red Cliff.....

[Anita18]

Is that how "serious" Bollywood films are? I can understand it in a comedy. Because Slumdog didn't feel like a comedy to me, yet out of nowhere comes the BS comedy dancing during the end credits. Stupid.
You didn't laugh when little Jamal jumped out of the outhouse?

Usually I'm not entertained by embarrassingly uncomfortable scenes like that, but he showed only sheer exuberance at having to do that, so it was cute and hilarious. :funny:

[redfirebird2008]

You didn't laugh when little Jamal jumped out of the outhouse?

Usually I'm not entertained by embarrassingly uncomfortable scenes like that, but he showed only sheer exuberance at having to do that, so it was cute and hilarious. :funny:

Oh that was funny. The movie is a drama though no doubt. Even the most serious dramas have to have some humor at some point.

[byte19]

yeah but seven brides for seven brothers at the ending? it should not win just for the ending

[redfirebird2008]

Wow, Tomei looked amazing in The Wrestler. 44 years old and smokin' hot.

[The Chris]

Wow, Tomei looked amazing in The Wrestler. 44 years old and smokin' hot.

Word.

[redfirebird2008]

Alright, just got done watching The Wrestler. It was definitely better than Slumdog. Probably better than TDK too.

[batman11]

And the end credits are cheesy as hell. That is NOT my idea of how a Best Picture winner should have its end credits sequence. Reminds me of something out of Austin Powers.

You obviously didn't get the joke. The end-credits are pretty well exactly what Bollywood is. Slumdog, on the other hand, is very different than standard Bollywood. The end credits sequence is a knock against everyone who thought "some movie" about "some Indian kids" would adhere to the standard Bollywood arcehtype - high pitched singing, very stylized dancing: what you call "cheesy". I'm personally not a fan of Bollywood by any means, and was a little hesitant to see Slumdog because I'm not a fan of the genre I thought the film was going to be, however, my feelings did not last long once the film had started. To me, the end credits sequence is great, cause I connected with it on a very personal level. It was like Boyle saying "Hey! You thought all Indian films had to be Bollywood style, huh? Nice assumption!" :woot:

[redfirebird2008]

You obviously didn't get the joke. The end-credits are pretty well exactly what Bollywood is. Slumdog, on the other hand, is very different than standard Bollywood. The end credits sequence is a knock against everyone who thought "some movie" about "some Indian kids" would adhere to the standard Bollywood arcehtype - high pitched singing, very stylized dancing: what you call "cheesy". I'm personally not a fan of Bollywood by any means, and was a little hesitant to see Slumdog because I'm not a fan of the genre I thought the film was going to be, however, my feelings did not last long once the film had started. To me, the end credits sequence is great, cause I connected with it on a very personal level. It was like Boyle saying "Hey! You thought all Indian films had to be Bollywood style, huh? Nice assumption!" :woot:

I've never seen a Bollywood movie so I had no preconceptions for or against the movie going into it. I merely watched it because I heard it was good. And it is good. But the end credits are retarded. I don't give a crap if it's making fun of Bollywood or not.

[Prison Mike]

So far I've seen Slumdog, The Wrestler, Doubt, and Milk. I don't think TDK has a chance of winning an award at the Oscars (aside from supporting actor for Ledger).

[batman11]

I've never seen a Bollywood movie so I had no preconceptions for or against the movie going into it. I merely watched it because I heard it was good. And it is good. But the end credits are retarded. I don't give a crap if it's making fun of Bollywood or not.

Alright, I guess I can forgive the fact that you didn't make the connection, but to call the end credits sequence retarded is a tad much don't you think? Am I retarded for connecting with it and thinking it was a pretty original way at shouting out to the audience in a "tongue-in-cheek" manner? :o

[redfirebird2008]

Alright, I guess I can forgive the fact that you didn't make the connection, but to call the end credits sequence retarded is a tad much don't you think? Am I retarded for connecting with it and thinking it was a pretty original way at shouting out to the audience in a "tongue-in-cheek" manner? :o

It's an opinion. Deal with it. :p

[batman11]

It's an opinion. Deal with it. :p

And I had a question. Those are usually followed by answers. ;)

(Not knocking your opinion bro, just trying to provoke some meaningful conversation. :))

[redfirebird2008]

And I had a question. Those are usually followed by answers. ;)

(Not knocking your opinion bro, just trying to provoke some meaningful conversation. :))

"Meaningful" conversation about something I hated? Don't take offense that I hated that sequence and you liked it. One man's trash is another's treasure.

[batman11]

"Meaningful" conversation about something I hated? Don't take offense that I hated that sequence and you liked it. One man's trash is another's treasure.

I take no offense. I tried to fill you in the joke, you told me you don't like Bollywood and thought it was "retarded". And all I'm saying is that I think calling it "retarded" was a tad much. Then I merely asked if you thought anyone that liked it was "retarded". If you're getting the vibe that I'm offended, then I must inform you you're mistaken. But, that's the internet for you. Always difficult to tell human emotion. :)

Out of curiosity, why do you feel it's impossible to have a "meaningful" conversation about something you hate? I'm sure there have been millions of "meaningful" conversations about Hitler, the Holocaust, genocide, etc, and lord knows there is powerful hatred for those topics.

[redfirebird2008]

I take no offense. I tried to fill you in the joke, you told me you don't like Bollywood and thought it was "retarded". And all I'm saying is that I think calling it "retarded" was a tad much. Then I merely asked if you thought anyone that liked it was "retarded". If you're getting the vibe that I'm offended, then I must inform you you're mistaken. But, that's the internet for you. Always difficult to tell human emotion. :)

Out of curiosity, why do you feel it's impossible to have a "meaningful" conversation about something you hate? I'm sure there have been millions of "meaningful" conversations about Hitler, the Holocaust, genocide, etc, and lord knows there is powerful hatred for those topics.

Where did I say I don't like Bollywood? What I said was that I'd never seen a Bollywood movie so I merely judged what I saw and deemed it to be retarded. Sorry if I expect a higher standard from a Best Picture winner than a "wink wink" joke for the end credits. If you make a serious movie and you want it to be taken seriously, don't throw a stupid end credits sequence joke in there like that. And I never said anyone who liked it was retarded, which is precisely why I assumed you were offended. The fact that you would assume my reaction to the movie is how I judge people who liked that sequence is an indication that you were offended. I hate Transformers and think it's retarded, but I also realize plenty of people love it. I'm fine with them loving it and they should be fine with me hating it. It's completely subjective.

As for a meaningful conversation about something I hate, when it comes to art, it's completely subjective and there's not really much you can do to change my opinion on it. Actually, there's NOTHING you can do to change my opinion on it, just like there's nothing any of us can do to change the opinions of other folks who hate The Dark Knight. I liked Slumdog but the end credits sucked. Thank goodness there was nothing like that in the film itself.

[batman11]

Where did I say I don't like Bollywood? What I said was that I'd never seen a Bollywood movie so I merely judged what I saw and deemed it to be retarded. Sorry if I expect a higher standard from a Best Picture winner than a "wink wink" joke for the end credits. If you make a serious movie and you want it to be taken seriously, don't throw a stupid end credits sequence joke in there like that.

As for a meaningful conversation about something I hate, when it comes to art, it's completely subjective and there's not really much you can do to change my opinion on it. Actually, there's NOTHING you can do to change my opinion on it, just like there's nothing any of us can do to change the opinions of other folks who hate The Dark Knight. I liked Slumdog but the end credits sucked. Thank goodness there was nothing like that in the film itself.

My mistake. I misquoted you about not liking Bollywood. And I agree with you to an extent. I think a good portion of Slumdog viewers may have a similar viewpoint on the end credits as you did. I personally liked it, like I said before. I thought shedding light on the culture of Bollywood would give you a different perspective on it, and it clearly hasn't. That's why it's your opinion. No harm done.

I didn't intend to change your opinion. My only intention was to inform you of the joke, and like I said above, I didn't change your opinion, and that's that. As for the whole "meaningful" bit, maybe it's just me, but I enjoy discussing subjects from different perspectives, contrasting points of view, etc. It was only when you said I was offended that I actually took some offense. LOL :woot:

Anyhow, I'm glad you enjoyed the movie (coming from a fellow fan of the film), and I too enjoyed TDK more (I mean honestly, NOTHING is gonna knock it off my top spot that it shares with Begins, LOL, but that's just the Batman fan in me). I hope no harm has been done. :)

[redfirebird2008]

My mistake. I misquoted you about not liking Bollywood. And I agree with you to an extent. I think a good portion of Slumdog viewers may have a similar viewpoint on the end credits as you did. I personally liked it, like I said before. I thought shedding light on the culture of Bollywood would give you a different perspective on it, and it clearly hasn't. That's why it's your opinion. No harm done.

I didn't intend to change your opinion. My only intention was to inform you of the joke, and like I said above, I didn't change your opinion, and that's that. As for the whole "meaningful" bit, maybe it's just me, but I enjoy discussing subjects from different perspectives, contrasting points of view, etc. It was only when you said I was offended that I actually took some offense. LOL :woot:

Anyhow, I'm glad you enjoyed the movie (coming from a fellow fan of the film), and I too enjoyed TDK more (I mean honestly, NOTHING is gonna knock it off my top spot that it shares with Begins, LOL, but that's just the Batman fan in me). I hope no harm has been done. :)

I think TDK had more flaws but when it was good, it was much better than Slumdog. The interrogation scene, for instance, is the best scene in any movie this year...hands down. Slumdog was a more solid movie. There's a span of TDK from around the time of the Joker's visit to the hospital until the final conversation between Batman/Joker and the last scene with Dent/Gordon/Batman that the film turns into a big action cliche. The sonar/SWAT/ferry boat thing could have been removed entirely and this movie would have been the best movie of 2008 by far.

[General Vulcun]

Just saw Gran Torino. Because of the way Clint directed it, I honestly didn't think Walt's story reached it's full potential, but damn...Eastwood is even better than I hoped he would be.

Suggestion: see it with a crowd. :)

[batman11]

I think TDK had more flaws but when it was good, it was much better than Slumdog. The interrogation scene, for instance, is the best scene in any movie this year...hands down. Slumdog was a more solid movie. There's a span of TDK from around the time of the Joker's visit to the hospital until the final conversation between Batman/Joker and the last scene with Dent/Gordon/Batman that the film turns into a big action cliche. The sonar/SWAT/ferry boat thing could have been removed entirely and this movie would have been the best movie of 2008 by far.

I do agree, once again to an extent. Sometimes I don't think it's fair for me to judge TDK compared to other films, cause I'm just a huge fan. But, when I try to remove the bias, the love is still there, which really shows how much of an accomplishment the film really is. I'd say for me, the interrogation scene is for TDK as SPOILER: Latika's run to get the cell phone from the car during Jamal's lifeline is for Slumdog. For me anyways. Both scenes filled with complete suspense and purpose - everything's been leading up to this: this is what matters. The thing that clinches the interrogation scene for me though, is that not only does it have that "heart-beating-in-your-throat" feeling that the aforementioned Slumdog scene had, but it has that iconic prescence and incredible imagery - the Joker and Batman, two of the greatest enemies in the history of all mediums, sitting across the table to each other, the Devil preaching his thoughts and ideals to the Guardian Angel as we finally see why these two mean so much to each other in Gotham's society. Beautiful.

[Anita18]

Just saw Gran Torino. Because of the way Clint directed it, I honestly didn't think Walt's story reached it's full potential, but damn...Eastwood is even better than I hoped he would be.

Suggestion: see it with a crowd. :)
The young Asian actors look really bad though. :o At least from the trailers.

Not to knock Asian actors, of course. I'm Asian myself, I'd totally root for 'em. :yay: But I can totally tell that they're completely new at this acting thing.

[Nirvana]

Alright, just got done watching The Wrestler. It was definitely better than Slumdog. Probably better than TDK too.

I might actually have to agree with this statement. Although I absolutely did love Slumdog.

[luke1234]

Just saw Gran Torino. Because of the way Clint directed it, I honestly didn't think Walt's story reached it's full potential, but damn...Eastwood is even better than I hoped he would be.

Suggestion: see it with a crowd. :)

yeah i just saw this movie too, it was awesome, knows how to work the audience with comedy and the transfer to dramatic sequences are great.

[luke1234]

There is no though. That's why I pointed it out. Eternal Sunshine got the consolation prize which is the best original screenplay award.

Juno's another win. No best picture, director, or actor award, but Diablo Cody wins best original screenplay.


oh gotcha

[luke1234]

For everyone who wants to see all the critics top 10s this site has it all for you

its really cool

http://www.metacritic.com/film/awards/2008/toptens.shtml

[Phoenix2088]

I've never seen a Bollywood movie so I had no preconceptions for or against the movie going into it. I merely watched it because I heard it was good. And it is good. But the end credits are retarded. I don't give a crap if it's making fun of Bollywood or not.

You do realize that what you think is retarded is very much a part of the culture in that part of the world. By simply dismissing it you're narrow mindedness is clearly apparent, but not surprising by reading your other posts.

[WVsax27]

I must admit Slumdog didn't hold up as well for me on a second viewing...still a good movie though.

[Kargo Warrior]

For everyone who wants to see all the critics top 10s this site has it all for you

its really cool

http://www.metacritic.com/film/awards/2008/toptens.shtml

There are around 30 lists there....this site has every single Top 10 of the year...more than 260 Top 10 lists.:cwink:

http://www.moviecitynews.com/awards/2009/top_ten/00scoreboard.htm

[luke1234]

There are around 30 lists there....this site has every single Top 10 of the year...more than 260 Top 10 lists.:cwink:

http://www.moviecitynews.com/awards/2009/top_ten/00scoreboard.htm


hahah, omg thats a lot of list, thanks Kargo Warrior

[redfirebird2008]

n/m

[Hunter Rider]

Drop this now, Ive deleted your post Illstreet.

[The Caped Knight]

Can someone upload them onto youtube, please. :D

here is People's Choice Awards
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUwsQa4KgNM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUwsQa4KgNM

Critics' Choice Awards
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJBKcGUBo2Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJBKcGUBo2Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=et75jmuu2So
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=et75jmuu2So

[The Caped Knight]

‘The Dark Knight’ Director Christopher Nolan Earns ‘Best Director’ Nod From Directors Guild (http://splashpage.mtv.com/2009/01/09/the-dark-knight-director-christopher-nolan-earns-best-director-nod-from-directors-guild/)

[StorminNorman]

This movie's Best Picture Nomination is practically a lock.

As a guy that has been following this film since June 2005, I am shocked and proud.

[titan101]

This movie's Best Picture Nomination is practically a lock.

As a guy that has been following this film since June 2005, I am shocked and proud.
agreed. http://vivalatusi.9.forumer.com/html/emoticons/vivalatusi/ahi5.png (javascript:emoticon(':hi5:'))

VICTORY TO THE BATFANS !!!!!!!!!!

[WVsax27]

is someone from Heath's family going to be at the Globes today? It'll be interesting to see which clip they show

[Hamill-Joker]

The Academy has had a huge history of having Epic films win the Best Picture Oscar.

The Dark Knight is an epic and legendary film, I cannot see how it will can't get nominated or win.

It has to win.

[redfirebird2008]

The Academy has had a huge history of having Epic films win the Best Picture Oscar.

The Dark Knight is an epic and legendary film, I cannot see how it will can't get nominated or win.

It has to win.

Slumdog is considered epic too. And it's not a superhero movie. That's a huge plus in any movie's column when it comes to the Academy.

[General Vulcun]

Slumdog is considered epic too. And it's not a superhero movie. That's a huge plus in any movie's column when it comes to the Academy.But if TDK manages to secure a Best Picture nomination, that may not be a factor anymore.

[luke1234]

Slumdog is considered epic too. And it's not a superhero movie. That's a huge plus in any movie's column when it comes to the Academy.

True, but the academy does take in the overall scale of films. Slumdog is a great film, but the overall scale of the film does not come close to Dark Knight. Idk well see, I believe the only 2 "epic" films are TDK and BB. I feel like Slumdog and Milk are more character driven films then story driven.

[redfirebird2008]

But if TDK manages to secure a Best Picture nomination, that may not be a factor anymore.

I think it's always a factor. The only two reasons TDK is even in consideration is because of the incredible box office and the fact that it's a far more serious superhero movie than so many of the other ones out there. TDK getting a nomination would be a big deal. It would perhaps be a big step in the direction of not having films judged entirely on their genre. It's unfortunate that they have an Animated award because that pidgeonholes movies like Wall-E and Ratatouille when they should be considered just the same as a live action movie. TDK's possible nomination would do a lot for comic book movies, animated movies, foreign movies, and any other movies that are unfairly pidgeonholed into genres. It's still a long ways off where a superhero movie can win an Oscar.

[WVsax27]

I think it's always a factor. The only two reasons TDK is even in consideration is because of the incredible box office and the fact that it's a far more serious superhero movie than so many of the other ones out there.

and it has overall been a weak year...I think given the mediocre quality of some of the standard Oscar bait they just can't ignore TDK this year. I don't think it'll win, but they can't overlook it at all this year IMO.

[redfirebird2008]

and it has overall been a weak year...I think given the mediocre quality of some of the standard Oscar bait they just can't ignore TDK this year. I don't think it'll win, but they can't overlook it at all this year IMO.

Yeah, that's the third factor in play, although I think there are quite a few strong contenders for BP noms this year, just not very many that can get the number of 1st and 2nd place votes that are necessary in the Academy's voting system in order to garner enough points for a nomination. Basically a lot of movies that people think, "Yeah, that's a good movie, probably 4th or 5th" and that ends up causing a logjam. There have been some duds though (such as Australia, Changeling, The Reader, and Defiance) that have opened the door for TDK.

[WVsax27]

Yeah, that's the third factor in play, although I think there are quite a few strong contenders for BP noms this year, just not very many that can get the number of 1st and 2nd place votes that are necessary in the Academy's voting system in order to garner enough points for a nomination. Basically a lot of movies that people think, "Yeah, that's a good movie, probably 4th or 5th" and that ends up causing a logjam. There have been some duds though (such as Australia, Changeling, The Reader, and Defiance) that have opened the door for TDK.

Yeah, I agree with that. It reminds me a bit of 2005(the 2006 ceremony), but thankfully none of the potential nominees suck as bad as Crash.

[redfirebird2008]

Yeah, I agree with that. It reminds me a bit of 2005(the 2006 ceremony), but thankfully none of the potential nominees suck as bad as Crash.

Yeah, no kidding. I hate Crash. Saw it around a month before the Oscar ceremony and was very surprised when it won simply because I was not impressed by it myself. There's been a few of those "WTF" choices over the last couple decades. A couple of others would be English Patient and Shakespeare In Love. Speaking of Cheadle, I am surprised Hotel Rwanda wasn't nominated at the 2005 awards. That is an incredible movie. Kind of gives you an idea of how fortunate TDK would be to get nominated. I just watched Before The Devil Knows You're Dead from 2007. It didn't receive any kind of awards hype, kind of like Zodiac. But I was blown away by it. Kickass movie. Sydney Lumet is still an amazing director even in his 80's, the story was excellent, and Hoffman's acting was top notch as usual. Plus it had Marisa Tomei nude, just like the Wrestler (woohoo! :woot:).

[WVsax27]

There's been a few of those "WTF" choices over the last couple decades. A couple of others would be English Patient and Shakespeare In Love. .

Those are cases in which the Oscar was baught. The all out blitz of FYC ads and free stuff that you see today? Miramax was the only studio that was really going at it that hard back then.

[redfirebird2008]

Those are cases in which the Oscar was baught. The all out blitz of FYC ads and free stuff that you see today? Miramax was the only studio that was really going at it that hard back then.

Speaking of Miramax. 1994: Gump, Shawshank, and Pulp. Which one should have won? I think the chosen winner (Gump) was a good choice even though the other two are also incredible.

[WVsax27]

Speaking of Miramax. 1994: Gump, Shawshank, and Pulp. Which one should have won? I think the chosen winner (Gump) was a good choice even though the other two are also incredible.

I'm not a Tarantino fan(don't hate me), but I like both Gump and Shawshank about the same. Generally speaking, while I don't always agree with the winners at the Oscars, I can normally at least understand/respect the decisions they did make. There are a few exceptions, but I try not to be one of those "they didn't pick my favorites, they know nothing" people

Anyway...here is a cool article Ebert wrote in 2005 about the unwritten rules of the Oscars

http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050227/OSCARS/50216001/1023

[Etienne]

So the globes are tonight? What channel?

[WVsax27]

So the globes are tonight? What channel?

Yes, NBC

[redfirebird2008]

I'm not a Tarantino fan(don't hate me), but I like both Gump and Shawshank about the same. Generally speaking, while I don't always agree with the winners at the Oscars, I can normally at least understand/respect the decisions they did make. There are a few exceptions, but I try not to be one of those "they didn't pick my favorites, they know nothing" people

Anyway...here is a cool article Ebert wrote in 2005 about the unwritten rules of the Oscars

http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050227/OSCARS/50216001/1023

That Ebert article is funny but true. And yeah, I can usually see where they are coming from when they choose even if I liked something better.

[Etienne]

Yes, NBC
Nice, thanks. :yay:

[CashforStash]

Heath Ledger won, yay!!!

[magicangel1989]

why do i have the feeling that something is being planned for the Dark Knight at the oscars?

[Cancer4TheCure]

why do i have the feeling that something is being planned for the Dark Knight at the oscars?
How do you mean?

[vanson]

is there an online-stream anywhere ?

[Doctor Jones]

I wonder what kind of introduction they're gonna do this year. I think last year's was the one where they show all these films, there's van going down a street and you cruise by all these pivotal events in scenes from famous films.

[[A]]

Slumdog is considered epic too. And it's not a superhero movie. That's a huge plus in any movie's column when it comes to the Academy.
I saw Slumdog Millionaire today--I think it's bound to win everything. The kind of positive s**t people at the Academy usually loves. I think they like positive-life-movies because of their own guilt out of ripping the dvd-screeners and upload them to the internets :funny: :hehe:

[BatSpider]

So only 1 nom tonight??? :huh:

[Crook]

So only 1 nom tonight??? :huh:
Yeah, I looked through the nomination list and couldn't help but know TDK got snubbed big time. And this is coming from someone that thinks the Oscar hype for this film is overblown.

[Spider-Man Luvr28]

So only 1 nom tonight??? :huh:

Yup, for Heath. I was hoping the movie would get more noms. The movie totally got snubbed I think. At least another nomination or 2 would've been fine.

I'll probably just watch up until the 'Best Supporting Actor' category & then turn it off afterwards.:o

[Cmill216]

I won't watch a second of the Globes.

[byte19]

that's what happens when they don't like tradirional scores.. hans and james got robbed

[Nina7]

The Golden Globes are a joke. I mean, Milk only got 1 nomination too(for Sean Penn), and you know it will get a ton of Oscar nominations.

[hatebox]

Will any of the TDK lot bother to turn up? What if Heath wins?

[Nina7]

Will any of the TDK lot bother to turn up? What if Heath wins?

Aaron Eckhart and Maggie Gyllenhaal will be presenting, so someone from TDK will be there. I doubt Nolan will show up though.

[byte19]

if i were Aaron i would say something bout Heath even if i weren't presenting his category

[CapedCrusader14]

Its been said that Jake Gyllenhaal maybe accepting the award if Heath wins.

Heres the article:http://news.ninemsn.com.au/entertainment/717179/ledger-certain-to-claim-a-golden-globe

[WVsax27]

Best Supporting Actor in a Motion Picture is going to be the 10th award given tonight, presented by Cameron Diaz and Mark Wahlberg. Aaron and Maggie will be doing Best TV Movie

"Ledger's father Kim has said he will not be accepting the award on behalf of Heath after an alleged clash with film producers over who should accept awards that Heath wins."


I wonder what that is about..

edit- n/m "At first there had been a hue and cry over who will pick up the award, Kim or Ledger's ex Michelle Williams, but now there are only two likely candidates for it, Christian Bale and Morgan Freeman.

Ledger's father has also dismissed rumours that he was in a battle with Warner Brothers over who should claim the gong, and said that he will not be able to attend the ceremony due to work commitments in Australia."

[Anita18]

and it has overall been a weak year...I think given the mediocre quality of some of the standard Oscar bait they just can't ignore TDK this year. I don't think it'll win, but they can't overlook it at all this year IMO.
Indeed. If there were 5 good Oscar-baity films, movies like TDK and Wall-E wouldn't be on the Oscar radar at all. Since there's a void this year, they have to fill it up with something. :oldrazz:

Yeah, that's the third factor in play, although I think there are quite a few strong contenders for BP noms this year, just not very many that can get the number of 1st and 2nd place votes that are necessary in the Academy's voting system in order to garner enough points for a nomination. Basically a lot of movies that people think, "Yeah, that's a good movie, probably 4th or 5th" and that ends up causing a logjam. There have been some duds though (such as Australia, Changeling, The Reader, and Defiance) that have opened the door for TDK.
Australia and Revolutionary Road are the biggest surprises, IMO. People were really expect Revolutionary Road to be one of the frontrunners, like Benjamin Button.

The Golden Globes are a joke. I mean, Milk only got 1 nomination too(for Sean Penn), and you know it will get a ton of Oscar nominations.
Tom Cruise was nominated for Best Supporting Actor. And I heard he won't even show up, which was presumably the main reason why they nominated him. :lmao:

[Anita18]

Nothing official, but the folks over at Awards Daily did their own Oscar nomination process (using the same formula as the Academy will), and the following was their result:

http://www.awardsdaily.com/?p=5796

:yay:

[Anita18]

Kris Tapley over at Incontention.com also says that don't be surprised if RDJ wins over Heath at the Golden Globes tonight. The Globes are supposed to be a fun party, where dead actors need not apply. :oldrazz:

If that happens though, then the Globes' joke status will be permanently affirmed. :hehe:

[batman11]

Nothing official, but the folks over at Awards Daily did their own Oscar nomination process (using the same formula as the Academy will), and the following was their result:

http://www.awardsdaily.com/?p=5796

:yay:

Sweet. TDK rips up the course. :woot:

[jmc]

Kris Tapley over at Incontention.com also says that don't be surprised if RDJ wins over Heath at the Golden Globes tonight. The Globes are supposed to be a fun party, where dead actors need not apply. :oldrazz:

If that happens though, then the Globes' joke status will be permanently affirmed. :hehe:

Oh the Globes joke status has been firmly cemented for years. They try to be a bigger award than what they actually are during the award season, they're like a pesky cousin that you don't really like who tries to be the center of attention at your 21st birthday party.

[redfirebird2008]

Kris Tapley over at Incontention.com also says that don't be surprised if RDJ wins over Heath at the Golden Globes tonight. The Globes are supposed to be a fun party, where dead actors need not apply. :oldrazz:

If that happens though, then the Globes' joke status will be permanently affirmed. :hehe:

Or they'll give it to Tom Cruise just to reaffirm the joke even more, given that they know Cruise has said he won't even show up.

[Nina7]

Oh the Globes joke status has been firmly cemented for years. They try to be a bigger award than what they actually are during the award season, they're like a pesky cousin that you don't really like who tries to be the center of attention at your 21st birthday party.

They have always been a joke. They got busted for accepting bribes from stars(that's how Sharon Stone got her Globe). It's all about tv ratings and getting as many stars as possible to show up. How else do you explain Tom Cruise's nomination?

[batman11]

Maybe Cruise will accept the award via satellite connection:

"I just wanted to tell all the other nominees to take a step back, and literally ***** THEIR OWN FACES! Thank you."

[Anita18]

Or they'll give it to Tom Cruise just to reaffirm the joke even more, given that they know Cruise has said he won't even show up.

Maybe Cruise will accept the award via satellite connection:

"I just wanted to tell all the other nominees to take a step back, and literally ***** THEIR OWN FACES! Thank you."

OMG that would be so LOL-worthy. I would watch that. :lmao:

[redfirebird2008]

I think Cruise would be blackballed from Hollywood after something like that. It would be really funny if one of the nominees wasn't dead.

[Anita18]

I think Cruise would be blackballed from Hollywood after something like that. It would be really funny if one of the nominees wasn't dead.
I think he would be forgiven if he said it in a fat suit as Lex Grossman. :hehe:

[Fanticon]

this might be the first year i don't tune in for the globes...with the exception of watching for the best supporting acting category....i'm really at a loss how it tdk could receive so many snubs....i know you guys all say the globes are a joke...but i watch em usually every year...but i just can't believe how off they are in several categories this year. i think i'll stick with the 24 premiere instead.

[batman11]

I think he would be forgiven if he said it in a fat suit as Lex Grossman. :hehe:

:grin:

[jmc]

The fact that a mysterious group called the 'Hollywood foreign press' are the ones who decide is the main reason the awards are the joke. I don't think anyone actually knows who the hell these people are or what they do for the other 11 months of the year. I've long harboured suspicion they are some sort of Scientology type organisation.

[Boom]

Because there is only one award for TDK tonight, I will probably watch the 24 premiere instead.

But could somebody tape the Best Supporting Actor award if Heath wins?

[Captain Planet!]

If Cruise wins, they better play "Mother****er, I Don't Know You Like That" as he walks up to the stage.


EDIT: Okay, as his hologram walks up to the stage.

[The_Joker7895]

Because there is only one award for TDK tonight, I will probably watch the 24 premiere instead.

But could somebody tape the Best Supporting Actor award if Heath wins?

The Globes are certainly becoming less and less relevant, but that's no reason to ignore the achievements of other films. For example, I am excited to see if Mickey Rourke wins Best Actor, as well as see how this two horse race between Benjamin Button and Slumdog Millionaire is going to turn out. I know we all loved The Dark Knight, but there are other great films that were released this year besides just TDK.

[Boom]

True, but I like 24 :csad:.

[The Chris]

Sorry, I may love movies to death, but I also love my 24 (which has had a TWO YEAR absence.) Plus the globes dissed not just The Dark Knight but Milk as well (my number 4 film) so I'm dissing them. I'll watch the oscars no matter what, but I never watch the globes and won't be starting this year.

[Spider-Vader]

I wonder what kind of introduction they're gonna do this year. I think last year's was the one where they show all these films, there's van going down a street and you cruise by all these pivotal events in scenes from famous films.

Maybe it might be a passing car with the Joker feeling the wind in his hair. Or Batman gliding.

If Cruise wins, the Globes will be a joke.

I thought Cruise was really over-rated in 'Tropic Thunder'. He was probably the only character that I didn't get a laugh from.

[The_Joker7895]

Sorry, I may love movies to death, but I also love my 24 (which has had a TWO YEAR absence.) Plus the globes dissed not just The Dark Knight but Milk as well (my number 4 film) so I'm dissing them. I'll watch the oscars no matter what, but I never watch the globes and won't be starting this year.

True, 24 is awesome. I personally am a LOST fan. :whatever:

True, TDK did get snubbed, but as we all know, TDK isn't as huge overseas as it is here in the states.

[The Chris]

True, 24 is awesome. I personally am a LOST fan. :whatever:

True, TDK did get snubbed, but as we all know, TDK isn't as huge overseas as it is here in the states.

24's my favorite show, Lost's my second favorite show.

[Kargo Warrior]

If Heath wins tonight it will be the first Golden Globe award in history for a comic book movie...every category included.

[Steelsheen]

Yeah, I looked through the nomination list and couldn't help but know TDK got snubbed big time. And this is coming from someone that thinks the Oscar hype for this film is overblown.
the Globes played their political hand too early and missed out on the TDK buzz. like them or not, they're gonna appear as big fools this year.

Best Supporting Actor in a Motion Picture is going to be the 10th award given tonight, presented by Cameron Diaz and Mark Wahlberg. Aaron and Maggie will be doing Best TV Movie

"Ledger's father Kim has said he will not be accepting the award on behalf of Heath after an alleged clash with film producers over who should accept awards that Heath wins."


I wonder what that is about..

edit- n/m "At first there had been a hue and cry over who will pick up the award, Kim or Ledger's ex Michelle Williams, but now there are only two likely candidates for it, Christian Bale and Morgan Freeman.

Ledger's father has also dismissed rumours that he was in a battle with Warner Brothers over who should claim the gong, and said that he will not be able to attend the ceremony due to work commitments in Australia."
hmm, i wonder how current that is? for the past two awards (People's Choice and Critics Choice) it was Nolan who was accepting the award in behalf of Heath. and makes sense too, since he is Heath's director. sure Christian can accept it on Heath's behalf, but there's just something more proper that the director accept it rather than the co-star.



Because there is only one award for TDK tonight, I will probably watch the 24 premiere instead.

But could somebody tape the Best Supporting Actor award if Heath wins?

ditto. can someone just record this please? even just the TDK parts.

[BatSpider]

If Heath wins tonight it will be the first Golden Globe award in history for a comic book movie...every category included.
Really?????????

that cant be true

[Silverglade]

Dennis Leary's son was just asked who he was excited to see tonight. He said, "well I just saw Aaron Eckhart!!":grin:

[The Chris]

Bright kid I'd say.

[Anita18]

hmm, i wonder how current that is? for the past two awards (People's Choice and Critics Choice) it was Nolan who was accepting the award in behalf of Heath. and makes sense too, since he is Heath's director. sure Christian can accept it on Heath's behalf, but there's just something more proper that the director accept it rather than the co-star.
Plus with Nolan, you're assured a classy speech. :up:

[Kargo Warrior]

Really?????????

that cant be true

Yep :woot:

Anyways for the people who can't watch it on TV here's a link...the red carpet arrivings are on right now:

http://en.justin.tv/mordane2

[Silverglade]

Heck yeah. Plus Dennis himself is sporting a purple tie. I think it is clear that is Joker support. 30 min until the show starts for real.

[Steelsheen]

Plus with Nolan, you're assured a classy speech. :up:
LOL true :D


Yep :woot:

Anyways for the people who can't watch it on TV here's a link...the red carpet arrivings are on right now:

http://en.justin.tv/mordane2
hey thanks so much dude! is this gonna stream everything including the awards itself?

[Kargo Warrior]

LOL true :D



hey thanks so much dude! is this gonna stream everything including the awards itself?

You're welcome and yes,the whole show :cwink: