The Oscar Push!

[u_complete_me]

I see byte19 liked the pic enough to use it for his profile...

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Except for Heath's nom....The overall snubbing of The Dark Knight makes the Academy Awards all rather inconsequential if you ask me as the general public favorite is left out in the cold.

(ros)

[Motown Marvel]

I can understand Best Picture. It was a longshot anyway. But Nolan should've at least gotten a Best Director nod. Seriously, there's no way anyone can argue with that. He deserved it far, far more than whats-his-name who got it for The Reader. It's not so much now about as to why the Academy didn't nominate TDK, but rather about what they DID nominate instead of TDK. But if those geezers want to religiously uphold their "one Jew/Holocaust film a year" rule, fine by me.

nolans nomination is debatable. but thats discussion is just a downward spiral. and again with the reader. people act like TDK isnt nominated because the reader was nominated. which isnt true. i mean, lets be honest, it wouldnt matter what was nominated, it'd still be the same petty sour grapes over TDK not being nominated.

[Anita18]

seriously enough of the sham pic
NEVAH!

Don't blame us, blame Sasha Stone at Awards Daily. :hehe:

[Cory]

that sham pic would be much better if it had a bat cowl, or joker makeup.

[Heretic]

That Oscar sham picture would get the point across better if it had a Joker face painted on

[byte19]

ros, you should make a shirt. i'll scrape hooker money to get one, fly to Cali, and get arrested 'streaking' with the shirt on come time they announce best director.

[Fenrir]

Honestly, by now the Heath nom looks like a bone they HAD to throw for TDK.

What makes my heart soar, actually, is the collective outrage that's happening right now. I haven't turned on the TV yet, but for every blog I look online for Oscar watching, it's "The Dark Knight snubbed!" That's the headline.

People wanted it to happen, people were even expecting it to happen. And now, it almost doesn't matter to me that it didn't actually happen, because at this point, the feeling isn't that TDK wasn't good enough, but that the Academy is idiotic.

Heck, even the image that TDK was Oscar-worthy is heartening enough for me.

Even in defeat, The Dark Knight still manages to get all the headlines. :up:

The Academy better have some lube handy, because they're really gonna take it up the ass this time. :hehe:

[Kanon]

I agree with the Ledger nom, the Special FX, and I can talk for most of the technical categories like sound mix, but I wouldn't give TDK picture, director or screenplay in a million years... that's my opinion, I really can't see why is unconceivable that many of the academy members think TDK wasn't worthy of those noms...

[bane]

If Nolan wants to be nominated for BP and BD he must make a movie with gay jews during the Holocaust!Get it right next time Nolan!

[Paste Pot Pete]

This is not one of those bitter "Get out of here, then!" posts, but an honest question-

To those who believe TDK wasn't worthy of a Best Picture nom (and thus, not one of the 5 best of the year), then why are you spending (I must assume) so much time on a TDK messageboard?

Wouldn't you be more stimulated on a board discussing The Reader or Frost/Nixon?

[Motown Marvel]

How is it seperate? It proves that the Academy are bias, that they haven't got the bottle to take a risk. "Oh ok, let's just throw ANOTHER period drama in there yea?" And let's not even mention TDK. The Wrestler was completely ****ted on as well.

so it got nominated because it was a period drama? then why wasnt the changeling nominated? why wasnt australia nominated? if the academy has such a hard on for guaranteeing holocaust films, then why wasnt the grey zone nominated in '01, that was a phenomenal film. and still, what the hell does it have to do with TDK not being nominated? people keep coming up with excuses that TDK wasnt nominated because its a comic book film, or because the reader was nominated. but when will people consider that maybe, MAAAAAAYBE, it wasnt nominated because while it was a good film that you really enjoyed, it just wasnt a best picture worthy film? i mean, is that not possible? its not even a bad thing.

[u_complete_me]

That Oscar sham picture would get the point across better if it had a Joker face painted on


Where's MessanjahMatt when you need him! lol

[byte19]

another one.... flawless, maybe you should quote what you said earlier a few more times.....

[Paste Pot Pete]

If Nolan wants to be nominated for BP and BD he must make a movie with gay jews during the Holocaust!Get it right next time Nolan!

Batman 3 is going to go down an odd path...

[Fenrir]

it'd still be the same petty sour grapes over TDK not being nominated.

Probably, but if some of the major nominations weren't so "WTF?!" you'd have more people defending them too.

[Snoo]

Honestly, by now the Heath nom looks like a bone they HAD to throw for TDK.

What makes my heart soar, actually, is the collective outrage that's happening right now. I haven't turned on the TV yet, but for every blog I look online for Oscar watching, it's "The Dark Knight snubbed!" That's the headline.

People wanted it to happen, people were even expecting it to happen. And now, it almost doesn't matter to me that it didn't actually happen, because at this point, the feeling isn't that TDK wasn't good enough, but that the Academy is idiotic.

Heck, even the image that TDK was Oscar-worthy is heartening enough for me.

Indeed, the Oscars have it coming. The outrage is beautiful to watch, like a huge spectacle you just can't take your eyes off. This is one for the ages, people are making it happen. Whether some people thought TDK didn't deserve to be nominated anyway, it sort of doesn't matter because the internet "exploding" over the snub speaks for itself. Obviously a lot of people thought right the opposite.

My heart soars for Heath because I was doubting he'd get nominated at all. The closer we were to the announcement of the noms, the worse I felt about it (despite all the other awards he's already won, yes). That's what being a pessimist does to you I guess.

[Heretic]

I agree with the Ledger nom, the Special FX, and I can talk for most of the technical categories like sound mix, but I wouldn't give TDK picture, director or screenplay in a million years... that's my opinion, I really can't see why is unconceivable that many of the academy members think TDK wasn't worthy of those noms...

Its inconceivable because its BETTER than The Reader, BETTER than Benjamin Button, BETTER than Slumdog Millionaire. Heck, The Wrestler is better than those films as well...but again...wrestling is not a "proper" subject matter for a great film. No Jews died on camera and no left wing political statements were made.

Though if you think about it...one could argue (I wouldnt) that TDK makes a right wing political statement, which is perhaps a reason for the snub, because no right wing movie can ever be great.

[Cmill216]

nolans nomination is debatable. but thats discussion is just a downward spiral. and again with the reader. people act like TDK isnt nominated because the reader was nominated. which isnt true. i mean, lets be honest, it wouldnt matter what was nominated, it'd still be the same petty sour grapes over TDK not being nominated.

The problem with The Reader is that if anything was going to get in over TDK, that would be the last film anybody would expect. This is based solely on pre-Oscar accolades.

The Wrestler had a lauded lead performance, and a vast amount of praise going in. Wall-E might be the most trancedent animated pic of the decade. Either one of those would have been "worthy" of getting in over TDK, though still debatable.

But The Reader?

[Ace of Knaves]

so it got nominated because it was a period drama? then why wasnt the changeling nominated? why wasnt australia nominated? and still, what the hell does it have to do with TDK not being nominated? people keep coming up with excuses that TDK wasnt nominated because its a comic book film, or because the reader was nominated. but when will people consider that maybe, MAAAAAAYBE, it wasnt nominated because while it was a good film that you really enjoyed, it just wasnt a best picture worthy film? i mean, is that not possible?


Well no, not really. The reason this stinks is because a lot of the people who nominated it for the other guild awards, are the same people on the Academy. So why do the same people nominate it for one award, but then completely dismiss it in another?

[Fenrir]

but when will people consider that maybe, MAAAAAAYBE, it wasnt nominated because while it was a good film that you really enjoyed, it just wasnt a best picture worthy film? i mean, is that not possible? its not even a bad thing.

That is of course, assuming the Academy's votes for a film are always based on merit. And that is one dumbass assumption.

[Paradoxium]

I am not out to defend whether TDK ought to be or ought to be not nominated, I have been saying the Oscars are a joke before this whole thing, why would anyone want to associate with them, let alone need their validation to begin with?

It's like saying beauty pageants are superficial, shallow and worthless one minute, but when you get picked, you suddenly get all giggly and happy the next. :oldrazz:

[Snoo]

Even in defeat, The Dark Knight still manages to get all the headlines.

The Academy better have some lube handy, because they're really gonna take it up the ass this time.

Hahaha, didn't see your post when I posted mine but naturally I'm happy people are feeling the same way about the Oscars "getting it". Oooh, yeah. *wiggles eyebrows*

*polishes imaginary sword innocently* *swishes it a bit to test it* Hmmm. Nice.

[Kanon]

To those who believe TDK wasn't worthy of a Best Picture nom (and thus, not one of the 5 best of the year), then why are you spending (I must assume) so much time on a TDK messageboard?
As I have explained a thounsand time to a lot of people, I liked TDK, but I don't think is the best of the year, not even close... But a lot of stuff I do like, like how ambitious it is, Ledger amazing performance, etc...

[byte19]

the hell happened to the board? the ppl saying tdk shouldn't be nominated shut it down?

[RachelDawes]

I can understand Best Picture. It was a longshot anyway. But Nolan should've at least gotten a Best Director nod. Seriously, there's no way anyone can argue with that. He deserved it far, far more than whats-his-name who got it for The Reader. It's not so much now about as to why the Academy didn't nominate TDK, but rather about what they DID nominate instead of TDK. But if those geezers want to religiously uphold their "one Jew/Holocaust film a year" rule, fine by me.

That's how I feel. I allowed myself to hope by the end that TDK would get a BP nom, even though I knew it was realistically a medium-shot. But I really believed that Nolan was a shoe-in for Best Director.

Nominating TDK would've guaranteed much better ratings for the Oscars. What was the Academy thinking?

[byte19]

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that's what they were thinking

[Why So Serious?]

The Dark Knight was given 8 nominations. Ledger has been nominated. This is what I expected.

Is the Dark Knight worthy of a best picture nod? No. Does Chris Nolan deserve a best director nod? No.

Why?

This film isn't perfect. It's a damn good film, if you suspend your disbelief. But the best picture category is generally reserved for films where you don't have to intentionally do that.

Personally, I'm happy with the nominations it received. And with the ones it didn't. I'll probably be roasted proper for my opinion. But I'm sticking with it.

[I Am The Knight]

By now, nominating TDK was the "safe" option, it seems. Haha!

[Anita18]

Hahaha, didn't see your post when I posted mine but naturally I'm happy people are feeling the same way about the Oscars "getting it". Oooh, yeah. *wiggles eyebrows*

*polishes imaginary sword innocently* *swishes it a bit to test it* Hmmm. Nice.
LOL, no need for violence. They'll pay for it in low TV ratings. And it will serve them right this year. The "populist" nominee is Benjamin Button. Didn't even have the balls to go for Wall-E, if they couldn't stomach a superhero movie.

Still amused, imagining the Oscar officials cursing out the voters. Hah, you thought you could bring back the crowds just with Hugh Jackman! Good luck now. :hehe:

[Ace of Knaves]

The Dark Knight was given 8 nominations. Ledger has been nominated. This is what I expected.

Is the Dark Knight worthy of a best picture nod? No. Does Chris Nolan deserve a best director nod? No.

Why?

This film isn't perfect. It's a damn good film, if you suspend your disbelief. But the best picture category is generally reserved for films where you don't have to intentionally do that.

Personally, I'm happy with the nominations it received. And with the ones it didn't. I'll probably be roasted proper for my opinion. But I'm sticking with it.

So i don't have to intentionally suspend my disbelief about a man who ages backwards?

[Sentinel X]

Wow...The Academy sucks!
They don't look at what movie was the best film but rather: Whats a typical 'oscar' movie....*sigh* its so disappointing.

I really don't think thats cool. I wish that some other award show could become 'the most important film award' that rewarded films for what they DESERVE.

Oh well, I am pretty sure that years from now people will most likely remember The Dark Knight than any of those films.
EDIT: By the way when I think about it, there have been so many films that the oscars have not nominated ....again only because a popular name was involved. Of course you could expect Doubt to get a bunch of nominations since Meryl Streep was in it.

[Fenrir]

Is the Dark Knight worthy of a best picture nod? No. Does Chris Nolan deserve a best director nod? No.

Why?

This film isn't perfect. It's a damn good film, if you suspend your disbelief. But the best picture category is generally reserved for films where you don't have to intentionally do that.


You hear that? That's the sound of REALISTIC Best Picture nominees like Star Wars, Raiders of the Lost Ark and LOTR trilogy demanding their share of suspension of disbelief.

[ultimatefan]

So, TDK got eight Oscar nominations, but except for the predictable Ledger nomination, the it´s all technical. A backhanded victory that just shows the Academy still is a buncha dinossaurs losing relevance in modern film.

It may not be a perfect film, and I don´t believe such a thing has ever existed, btw, but among the top best of the year? Damn yes, and I´m far from the only one, in and out of "fanboy world", who thinks that. The Writers and Directors Guilds of America aren´t fanboys. Neither is the American Film Institute. Neither are Peter Travers, Roger Ebert, etc.

[Mike53421]

I guess we can still be thankful we got a great movie?

Initially it was a bit disappointing but there's nothing we can do but ***** now. Go back last year and think about what we're now complaining about, that The Dark Knight didn't get a Best Picture nomination? Still got a great movie to enjoy and it's destroyed all expectations, woulda been nice to get a nomination somewhere but... too bad.

Springsteen not even getting a nomination was pretty damn surprising.

Didn't Saving Private Ryan get snubbed for best picture?

[Cmill216]

Why?

This film isn't perfect.

Well, duh.

But are Slumdog, Button, Milk, Reader, and Nixon perfect? :huh:

[Motown Marvel]

The problem with The Reader is that if anything was going to get in over TDK, that would be the last film anybody would expect. This is based solely on pre-Oscar accolades.

The Wrestler had a lauded lead performance, and a vast amount of praise going in. Wall-E might be the most trancedent animated pic of the decade. Either one of those would have been "worthy" of getting in over TDK, though still debatable.

But The Reader?

i for one never really expected TDK to get a best picture nomination, so any issue i'd have with the reader being nominated has nothing to do with TDK to me. even not having seen the wrestler, im pretty surprised it wasnt nominated.

Well no, not really. The reason this stinks is because a lot of the people who nominated it for the other guild awards, are the same people on the Academy. So why do the same people nominate it for one award, but then completely dismiss it in another?
yeah, i dont know why that happened. i suppose that can be surprising.

That is of course, assuming the Academy's votes for a film are always based on merit. And that is one dumbass assumption.
well, it'd be impossible to expect 6,000 people to always vote based on merit. again, if people have such disdain for what you seem to consider a corrupt institution, then you shouldnt be so upset about the film not being nominated.

[byte19]

The Dark Knight was given 8 nominations. Ledger has been nominated. This is what I expected.

Is the Dark Knight worthy of a best picture nod? No. Does Chris Nolan deserve a best director nod? No.

Why?

This film isn't perfect. It's a damn good film, if you suspend your disbelief. But the best picture category is generally reserved for films where you don't have to intentionally do that.

Personally, I'm happy with the nominations it received. And with the ones it didn't. I'll probably be roasted proper for my opinion. But I'm sticking with it.
and i'm done. because you have to suspend disbelief you snub it from the top nominations? that's.... uh... wha....

this thread is now epic fail.



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[Cory]

the jokers gonna call in a bomb threat :ninja:

[byte19]

i leave this farce to work on my band's new album. you non believers win. seacrest... out.

[Cory]

that suspend belief thing might actually be true... tdk got snubbed bc its a superhero...and the wrestler got snubbed bc people are trying to believe mickey rourke did something good.

[Ace of Knaves]

yeah, i dont know why that happened. i suppose that can be surprising.


Yea that's what I think is the big issue here. It's like they have said "Ok, so we can nominate TDK for Golden Globes and what not. But we won't nominate it for a Oscar." That just smells so fishy to me.

[Anita18]

I guess we can still be thankful we got a great movie?

Initially it was a bit disappointing but there's nothing we can do but ***** now. Go back last year and think about what we're now complaining about, that The Dark Knight didn't get a Best Picture nomination? Still got a great movie to enjoy and it's destroyed all expectations, woulda been nice to get a nomination somewhere but... too bad.

Springsteen not even getting a nomination was pretty damn surprising.

Didn't Saving Private Ryan get snubbed for best picture?
Saving Private Ryan was nominated, but Shakespeare in Love won. That's one of the worst, along with Crash over Brokeback Mountain. :funny:

It's very cool that a superhero movie destroyed expectations and even considered for an Oscar, but if TDK (and Wall-E) couldn't do it for their respective genres, it's hard to see any other films breaking that ceiling. It may never happen. And I would say that's a shame, but the Academy is a joke now, so...I guess it doesn't matter. :funny:

[Heretic]

By the way, I also predicted that Clint eastwood would suffer from making a realistic toned film that uses racial slurs. The Academy simply cannot give credit to a movie that is racially insensitive, even if it is better than the ones the nominated.

So the answer is...YES...the Oscars are easily predicted based mostly on assuming that they are left wing nuts with closed minds regarding genres.

[baerrtt]

You hear that? That's the sound of REALISTIC Best Picture nominees like Star Wars, Raiders of the Lost Ark and LOTR trilogy demanding their share of suspension of disbelief.

And ET and GHOST (are any anti-TDK posters going to argue how 1990's biggest summer blockbuster despite getting the type of reviews that made it Razzie bait was more worthy of a Best Pic nom than TDK?).

[Heretic]

I though this fom Filmdrunk was funny:

Wow. Nice to see Mickey Rourke on there, but The Wrestler is a hell of a lot better than any of their best picture nominees. Frost/Nixon? Milk? The Reader? Is this an award for great filmmaking or the IMPORTANT STORY FROM HISTORY award? And I’m sure you’ll all notice the Dark Knight snub. Even if you don’t think it deserves a best picture nomination (I’m on the fence, myself), Chris Nolan still deserves a best director nod (this dismissive wank is for you, Ron Howard). It’s much harder to make a believable movie about Batman than it is to make yet another holocaust masturbation. Do they realize what they’ve done? They’ve made us bored. With THE HOLOCAUST. At some point, they may have to recruit some members of the Academy who aren’t a million years old. Just a thought.

[Motown Marvel]

Yea that's what I think is the big issue here. It's like they have said "Ok, so we can nominate TDK for Golden Globes and what not. But we won't nominate it for a Oscar." That just smells so fishy to me.

i dont think its that big of an issue, really. i mean, the voting blocks may be similar and share members, but its hardly the same voting block. it has different members, who apparently had different opinions. nothing more than that. theres no scandal or conspiracy against TDK here. its just how things panned out, whether you agree with it or not. i think people who are touting all of TDK's accolades should be grateful for said accolades rather than bitter over one guild's opinion.

[Sentinel X]

Why don't they just call the Oscars the "Holocaust, Dramas, Period Peices, Biopics, and movies starrin Meryl Streep, Cate Blanchette, and other of our favorite actor and actresses" awards because thats what it really is :o

Btw, I agree Shakespeare in Love WTF!?!...overrated movie, should have never been nominated and the fact that it beat Saving Private Ryan?...wow....but I liked Crash and didnt mind it winning. But biggest wtf is Chicago winning best picture....really?.... :dry:

EDIT: Wtf?! Ghost got a Best Picture nomination :wow:....???!
The movie is good for a romance but best picture nomination good?...I dont think so. The best thing about that movie was Whoopi Goldberg!

[Fenrir]

well, it'd be impossible to expect 6,000 people to always vote based on merit.

Which pretty much nullifies your earlier point about TDK not being nominated for lack of merit. Thank you for playing.

again, if people have such disdain for what you seem to consider a corrupt institution, then you shouldnt be so upset about the film not being nominated.

It's not just about the nomination, dammit. It's about the desire to see the film you love so much get as much recognition as it can get. TDK had really been on the run the past few weeks and the Oscars were kind of like the final checkered flag. The knockout blow. The end of the Awards season. And TDK got tripped right before the finish line. All this buildup of anticipation with the film getting awards left and right and being nominated by all the major guilds only to receive...nothing in the end.

[Merkel]

So pratically all the crew departments in TDK got nominated except Chris Nolan. He really deserved a best director nomination, probably more than anyone else. My biggest sadness is his snub.

[FlawlessVictory]

Best Picture: The Dark Knight (http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1809271891/info)

The Academy undoubtedly upset both critics and fans when it decided to overlook the Caped Crusader’s latest adventure. Perhaps voters felt it was too violent. It’s conceivable to assume that they’ve agreed to forever shun superhero flicks. Maybe they just miss Michael Keaton. Who knows? In any case, the $1 billion-grossing blockbuster deserved to be decorated for many reasons, including Christopher Nolan’s precise directing, the groundbreaking cinematography, and Heath Ledger’s trumping of Jack Nicholson as The Joker. And, hello? If “Titanic” can win Best Picture, doesn’t “The Dark Knight” at least deserve a nom?

http://oscars.movies.yahoo.com/photos/53-dont-you-forget-about-me-this-years-oscar-snubs/1?nc#OmgPhoid=2

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea it's like the guy who works hard all his life, then when it comes to retiring he finds out his pension has been denied. :hehe:

[Cmill216]

Too violent? Hello! The Departed?

[Motown Marvel]

Which pretty much nullifies your earlier point about TDK not being nominated for lack of merit. Thank you for playing.

what? just becausei would never expect 100% of 6,000 PEOPLE (!!!) to vote solely on merit doesnt refute anything i said. if i believed the vast majority of the voting black voted for irresponsible reasons, then maybe....but thats not what i said.

It's not just about the nomination, dammit. It's about the desire to see the film you love so much get as much recognition as it can get. TDK had really been on the run the past few weeks and the Oscars were kind of like the final checkered flag. The knockout blow. The end of the Awards season. And TDK got tripped right before the finish line. All this buildup of anticipation with the film getting awards left and right and being nominated by all the major guilds only to receive...nothing in the end.

receive nothing?! are you kidding me? does a lack of best picture nomination really negate all the money and awards and recognition its garnered all year? does none of that matter anymore because one single guild didnt give it recognition that your personal standards required?

[Anita18]

Best Picture: The Dark Knight (http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1809271891/info)

The Academy undoubtedly upset both critics and fans when it decided to overlook the Caped Crusader’s latest adventure. Perhaps voters felt it was too violent. It’s conceivable to assume that they’ve agreed to forever shun superhero flicks. Maybe they just miss Michael Keaton. Who knows? In any case, the $1 billion-grossing blockbuster deserved to be decorated for many reasons, including Christopher Nolan’s precise directing, the groundbreaking cinematography, and Heath Ledger’s trumping of Jack Nicholson as The Joker. And, hello? If “Titanic” can win Best Picture, doesn’t “The Dark Knight” at least deserve a nom?

http://oscars.movies.yahoo.com/photos/53-dont-you-forget-about-me-this-years-oscar-snubs/1?nc#OmgPhoid=2
Haha, it's on Yahoo!

Of course the articles won't have the snub as a headline - they have to report on the actual nominees first. But yeah, it's nice seeing this making it into the mainstream media.

[TLH]

Best Picture: The Dark Knight (http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1809271891/info)

The Academy undoubtedly upset both critics and fans when it decided to overlook the Caped Crusader’s latest adventure. Perhaps voters felt it was too violent. It’s conceivable to assume that they’ve agreed to forever shun superhero flicks. Maybe they just miss Michael Keaton. Who knows? In any case, the $1 billion-grossing blockbuster deserved to be decorated for many reasons, including Christopher Nolan’s precise directing, the groundbreaking cinematography, and Heath Ledger’s trumping of Jack Nicholson as The Joker. And, hello? If “Titanic” can win Best Picture, doesn’t “The Dark Knight” at least deserve a nom?http://oscars.movies.yahoo.com/photos/53-dont-you-forget-about-me-this-years-oscar-snubs/1?nc#OmgPhoid=2

Right, because No Country for Old Men and The Departed, among a ton of others, are so non-violent. :o

[I Am The Knight]

LOL, no need for violence. They'll pay for it in low TV ratings. And it will serve them right this year. The "populist" nominee is Benjamin Button. Didn't even have the balls to go for Wall-E, if they couldn't stomach a superhero movie.

Still amused, imagining the Oscar officials cursing out the voters. Hah, you thought you could bring back the crowds just with Hugh Jackman! Good luck now. :hehe:

I thought bringing the crowds back meant nominating TDK! Not getting Wolvie on stage. LOL :hehe:

[Heretic]

Its a bias against superheroes. Im telling you...the Academy simply does not understand that superheroes can be anything more than childish popcorn flicks. The Academy probably cant tell a bit of quality difference between The Dark Knight and Resident Evil: Apocalypse.

[Figs]

the jokers gonna call in a bomb threat :ninja:


Yeah but the bomb threat will go ignored because when Joker calls it in he won't have a British accent. :hehe:

[CristiMAN]

I guess it will one of those cases: The film that wins best picture will be forgoten in a week after the ceremony... But we all know what film is going to be remembered as a classic cult movie.

I've said before but here is: if this academy can give the big oscar to Chicago and Shakespere in Love we should not be disapointed. Lord of the rings had to loose the oscar twice to win it in the end. Sad but true... Maybe next time...

[Boom]

I'm not even upset about The Dark Knight getting snubbed.

But The Wrestler knocked out by The Reader :dry:?

Is this a ****ing joke :dry:?

[Snoo]

LOL, no need for violence. They'll pay for it in low TV ratings. And it will serve them right this year. The "populist" nominee is Benjamin Button. Didn't even have the balls to go for Wall-E, if they couldn't stomach a superhero movie.

Still amused, imagining the Oscar officials cursing out the voters. Hah, you thought you could bring back the crowds just with Hugh Jackman! Good luck now. :hehe:

Weren't the tv ratings last year the lowest ever for Oscars? I'm curious how many people will watch this year, especially now that no noms for Nolan, TDK and screenplay are getting so much press. Will they plummet spectacularly like ratings for the current season of Heroes? Kyuk, kyuk, kyuk... (And hey, I LOVE Heroes but the ratings are disappointing.)

See, the Oscars have always been a must-see on my list for about 12 years now and I haven't missed one whether I had an exam the next day (or rather the same day because of the time difference, it's about 1 AM here when the Oscars start and they're over 5 hours or so later, and school started at 7 AM) or not. It's an event for me like few others. Say what you will about the snobbery and unfairness of the Academy, etc. I just like to watch, always have been, from the very start to finish (am not one of those who think categories besides Best and Supporting Actor/Actress, Picture, and Director are "less important anyway"). It's great to see all the actors and actresses together at one show. It's almost amusing how much I get into this thing.

This year will be tough and "brutal" for me because I'm obviously rooting for a certain actor and for a certain movie to win in various categories and that's a very nervous and nerve-wracking process. There hasn't been a fave movie or actor for me to root for since Lord of the Rings. The movies I'm usually into very much/more than others are in techical categories only. It's the same with TDK this time around but it has more noms than I'm used to when it comes to films I like. It'll keep me alert throughout the show more than ever.

[Dark Knight]

TDK gets predictably snubbed by the short sighted, biased pigs of the Academy for Best Picture and Nolan gets disrespected by being snubbed for Best Director. What freakin sick JOKE!

The Reader?? hahaha What a joke! The Wrestler was a better film than that pretentious garbage.

Let's hope the Weinsteins shell out $20M or more to campaign for this garbage film of theirs and it bankrupts them.

On top of that, I want the campaign to be successful as I want The Reader to win every single award for which it has been nominated. Maybe that will stop the Academy from nominating similar trash in the future. It might put an end to these ridiculous sympathy or avant garde or fellow countrymen nominations for horrible British films. Thirdly it will heap even more scorn and derision upon the boorish and uppity Academy by the mainstream masses for yet another horribly pretentious selection. Lastly, it will hasten the ratings decimation of the Oscars telecast. If all of these fame addicts suddenly realize that the general public is no longer interested in their absurd narcissistic antics and snobbery, they might finally realize that a film's quality is a magical mixture of craftsmanship and entertainment and should not be based on nepotism, nostalgia, bribery or sheer stupidity.

It's amzing how the ideals and values of the Republican party seem less antiquated than those of the Academy.

Here's to a prosperous Oscar season for The Reader! :cmad:

[MiniBond]

Yeah but the bomb threat will go ignored because when Joker calls it in he won't have a British accent. :hehe:

and he's not blonde nor is he called kate winslet :o:woot:

[Dark Knight]

Right, because No Country for Old Men and The Departed, among a ton of others, are so non-violent. :o



Exactly!

[Anita18]

I thought bringing the crowds back meant nominating TDK! Not getting Wolvie on stage. LOL :hehe:
That was the point - obviously the people in charge of the ceremony were trying for higher ratings by getting People's Sexiest Man Alive 2008 to host. They would have LOVED TDK to get a Best Picture nomination.

But the voters screwed up their little plan. :hehe:

[Boom]

I'll still watch the ceremony. Now it'll be interesting to see if Slumdog Millionaire or Benjamin Button take home the big prize.

But seriously.

The Reader over The Wrestler?

REALLY?

[Dark Knight]

Time to boycott the Oscars people....

Does anyone know who we can contact to yell at the Academy and their stupid ways...

[Dark Knight]

I'll still watch the ceremony. Now it'll be interesting to see if Slumdog Millionaire or Benjamin Button take home the big prize.

But seriously.

The Reader over The Wrestler?

REALLY?



I got better things to do....maybe I will just TIVO it and watch when Ledger wins.

[CristiMAN]

The mega upset would be Heath not winning his oscar...

[Why So Serious?]

So i don't have to intentionally suspend my disbelief about a man who ages backwards?

That's what I'm saying, yes. In that film, it comes naturally. Whereas in the Dark Knight, there are just too many parts that are too perfect to have been planned out. Part like the plane snagging Batman and Lau within seconds of deploying the beacon. The bus pulling out perfectly into a line of passing buses that just happens to have a gap large enough for another to fit in to. the entire MCU/bomb plot. Stuff like that just was unbelieveable. Scenes like those still bother me, because they border on precognitive more than they do precise timing. Those types of twists can work for films like The Prestige and Memento. But not in a film where the intention is to make it as realistic as possible. That's what I mean when I talk about suspension of disbelief. Not the actual plot or circumstances of the film itself.

You hear that? That's the sound of REALISTIC Best Picture nominees like Star Wars, Raiders of the Lost Ark and LOTR trilogy demanding their share of suspension of disbelief.

Read the above.

Like I said. That's why I don't believe the film or the director deserved the nods. We're talking about the best picture category here. Every single tiny little part of the film is being scrutinized. And because we're talking about the best picture category here, those types of flaws are just too unrealistic, and thus, impossible to overlook when a film is being looked at from every possible angle. Which is probably why Nolan wasn't given the nod either.

[FlawlessVictory]

I'll still watch the ceremony. Now it'll be interesting to see if Slumdog Millionaire or Benjamin Button take home the big prize.

But seriously.

The Reader over The Wrestler?

REALLY?

The Reader is your typical oscar bait film and the Academy fell for it hook, line and sinker.

[Jokers_Wild]

Chris Nolan is a genius. I'm sad for him not getting the nod, but then several genius filmmakers have been ignored by the Academy. :o

[JerseyJoker]

I never thought that TDk really deserved a best picture nom in the first place, but damn, The Wrestler and RR got screwed out. Specially Wall-E, it deserved a Best Picture nom much more than TDK to be perfectly honest.

Although now its going to be absolutely hilarious to watch so many fanboys cry about this lack of noms.

[Sentinel X]

Best Picture: The Dark Knight (http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1809271891/info)

The Academy undoubtedly upset both critics and fans when it decided to overlook the Caped Crusader’s latest adventure. Perhaps voters felt it was too violent. It’s conceivable to assume that they’ve agreed to forever shun superhero flicks. Maybe they just miss Michael Keaton. Who knows? In any case, the $1 billion-grossing blockbuster deserved to be decorated for many reasons, including Christopher Nolan’s precise directing, the groundbreaking cinematography, and Heath Ledger’s trumping of Jack Nicholson as The Joker. And, hello? If “Titanic” can win Best Picture, doesn’t “The Dark Knight” at least deserve a nom?

http://oscars.movies.yahoo.com/photos/53-dont-you-forget-about-me-this-years-oscar-snubs/1?nc#OmgPhoid=2 Violence is DEFINITELY NOT the reason -- The Departed, No Country for Old Men, Gladiator, Silence of the Lambs, etc all won Best Picture and had tons of violence.

The reason is: bias. Plain and simple. And Im not mad because I am crazy Batman fan (Im actually a marvel fan and never went to the boards, participated in viral campaigns, watched leaked trailers or any of that prior to TDK's release) Im angry because this is the most coveted award of film and unfortunately so many people put so much importance on it....yet many times they don't nominate films that deserved it more so than others.

And I am convinced that the academy does not like Christopher Nolan....Batman aside...Neither Memento nor Insomnia got best picture nominations.

[danoyse]

Time to boycott the Oscars people....

Does anyone know who we can contact to yell at the Academy and their stupid ways...

Fans tried that when Leo wasn't nominated for Titanic and it became a joke. I think any kind of "protest" this time around will probably be treated the same.

It's going to be a blow to their ratings, though. No TDK, no Springsteen...hell, at this point I'm only watching it for Hugh.

[Figs]

I never thought that TDk really deserved a best picture nom in the first place, but damn, The Wrestler and RR got screwed out. Specially Wall-E, it deserved a Best Picture nom much more than TDK to be perfectly honest.

Although now its going to be absolutely hilarious to watch so many fanboys cry about this lack of noms.

I'm probably going to get flamed all to hell but I have to say this.

I thought Wall-E was a great animated film. I loved it alot, especially the first half.

This is just my opinion but I don't think animated films should ever be contending for Best Picture, there's two reasons for that.

1. They already have their own category, Best Animated Feature.

2. With an animated film whether it's old school or using CGI the director/creators can make the so called Cinematography and overall look be as perfect and beautiful as they want.

When making a real live film, that's not always easy to do.

Best Picture Noms need to take in so many aspects of the film like cinematography, acting, lighting, it's all one big package. Animated films especially CGI ones...I consider it a free pass if not cheating when they can create an entire world and characters to look and act as perfect as they want.

[Anita18]

Time to boycott the Oscars people....

Does anyone know who we can contact to yell at the Academy and their stupid ways...
Just don't watch. That'll send enough of a message, if enough people don't do so.

Whereas in the Dark Knight, there are just too many parts that are too perfect to have been planned out..
Did you see Slumdog Millionaire? The very STORY revolves upon a ton of coincidences. Like that's more realistic than TDK. :oldrazz:

Although now its going to be absolutely hilarious to watch so many fanboys cry about this lack of noms.
"Going to?" Where have you been the last 5 hours? :funny:

I find it more amusing to see the non-fanboys crying foul. Deadline Hollywood Daily, Awards Daily, Incontention....they're ALL pissed.

[danoyse]

Too violent? Hello! The Departed?

Don't forget Silence of the Lambs. That won Best Picture.

Not buying the violence reason.

[Nirvana]

Well, other than the ridiculous inclusion of The Reader, none of the nominations are bad. I really wish Doubt or The Dark Knight would have the fifth slot, but oh well. I'll still watch. Here's hoping that Slumdog or Benjamin Button win. :up:

Cheer up guys, in three-four years Batman 3 and Chris Nolan will be nominated and win. :hehe:

[FCEEVIPER]

What a fricken bummer! :(

[Anita18]

LOL, my sound friend thinks I'm nuts for caring so much about this. I explained that it was like following a sports team. :oldrazz:

He says the Oscars = prom. He only pays attention to sound, since that's where he works in the industry. Although he was quite pleased to see that The Wrestler got a few noms.

And he's somewhat miffed at the Slumdog nom for sound, since he didn't think it was all that. But such is life. :oldrazz:

[danoyse]

I find it more amusing to see the non-fanboys crying foul. Deadline Hollywood Daily, Awards Daily, Incontention....they're ALL pissed.

Just google TDK and see how many angry articles come up. And they ain't all fanboys.

[Why So Serious?]

And just to toss this out there:

It's amazing how many of you are all up in arms over this. You can't just be pleased with the honors the film did receive. Or the fact that Ledger was nominated, since that's what most of you were hoping for (or expecting) to begin with.

8 nominations is tremendous. Ledger's nomination is truly fantastic. This is a good day for the Dark Knight. But instead of being content with that, you're acting like a pack of pissed off, rabid fanboys because the film didn't get every category you felt it deserved. Oh well. Life isn't fair. But this is hardly a reason to act the way some of you are acting. And it's certainly not reason enough to be more angry than happy about the days events. Like I said, 8 nominations is damn impressive in any book. Hell, Ledger being nominated fulfilled my expectations.

-WsS?

[Paradoxium]

I hope Nolan never wins, not because I hate him. Maybe it will motivate himself to keep besting himself each and every time.

[Saint]

Hh. Too bad it didn't get a best picture or best director nomination. Eight nominations is pretty good, though, if it wins some of them.

[JerseyJoker]

And who is really talking about unrealism being a factor?

That is just an excuse to make it feel better that TDK didn't get nom, it Unrealism has nothing to do on the quality of picking a best Picture. If you are going into a Sci-Fi/Comic/Fantasy style movie and it does what you thought, then unrealism doesn't matter. Its like going into see a sports movie and then suddenly people can start flying, that is unrealism.

[Cory]

if heath doesnt win his oscar, god should infect the academy with....sars!

[Anita18]

I hope Nolan never wins, not because I hate him. Maybe it will motivate himself to keep besting himself each and every time.
He'd be in good company. Kubrick never won either. :eek: But at least he was nominated.

[Paradoxium]

Part of me kind of hopes Heath doesn't win.

Just to see the reactions :woot:

[Fenrir]

Like I said. That's why I don't believe the film or the director deserved the nods. We're talking about the best picture category here. Every single tiny little part of the film is being scrutinized. And because we're talking about the best picture category here, those types of flaws are just too unrealistic, and thus, impossible to overlook when a film is being looked at from every possible angle. Which is probably why Nolan wasn't given the nod either.

Don't even get me started on Benjamin Button if you think every single frame of that film stands up to scrutiny. Or the ridiculous implication that every single best picture nominee doesn't have just as big and just as many flaws as TDK when examined from "every possible angle". We all know that an Oscar nomination isn't always based on merit. I only wanted TDK to win because despite their questionable standards, Oscars are still popular. And what better than to see the prefix "Academy Award winning" attached to your favorite film of the year.

[Anita18]

Part of me kind of hopes Heath doesn't win.

Just to see the reactions :woot:
Me too, at this point. I wanna see how badly the Academy can shoot themselves in the foot. :lmao:

[CELTICPRED]

Zimmer and JNH not being nominated comes as a big surprise to me. Sucks.

[-Arya-]

Well, I cant say I'm surprised that it did not get a nod for best picture. What Im really angry about is not giving a nod to Chris Nolan. I would have been content if that was included.

8 nominations is nice but nearly all of them are technical achievements with Ledgers being the exception. I have a feeling that the Academy just nominated him because of his death, which is very frustrating.

[JerseyJoker]

How is that shooting themselves in the foot.

Any reasonable person knew the type of noms TDK was going o get was Heath + visuals/sound/art/etc style. If anything, Nolan could of snuck a nom in there, but that was cutting it close too.

[Ace of Knaves]

I haven't seen Button yet so I won't judge that. But I have seen Slumdog and as I've said before, it's just your typical "rags to riches" story. Yea it is charming and funny. Yea it has some great performances by the youngsters. But best film? Not in my opinion. Not in a million years.

[Motown Marvel]

if nolan got a nom then people here would just be complaining "how could it get nominated for having best direction, yet its not worthy for best picture?"

[Ace of Knaves]

How is that shooting themselves in the foot.

Any reasonable person knew the type of noms TDK was going o get was Heath + visuals/sound/art/etc style. If anything, Nolan could of snuck a nom in there, but that was cutting it close too.

Well what 5 other directors deserved it more than Nolan? Darren Aronofski is the closest in terms of what he made, but even he didn't get nominated.

[Dark Knight]

Violence is DEFINITELY NOT the reason -- The Departed, No Country for Old Men, Gladiator, Silence of the Lambs, etc all won Best Picture and had tons of violence.

The reason is: bias. Plain and simple. And Im not mad because I am crazy Batman fan (Im actually a marvel fan and never went to the boards, participated in viral campaigns, watched leaked trailers or any of that prior to TDK's release) Im angry because this is the most coveted award of film and unfortunately so many people put so much importance on it....yet many times they don't nominate films that deserved it more so than others.

And I am convinced that the academy does not like Christopher Nolan....Batman aside...Neither Memento nor Insomnia got best picture nominations.




Exactly....the sole reason is close minded BIASED bull crap!

[Figs]

And just to toss this out there:

It's amazing how many of you are all up in arms over this. You can't just be pleased with the honors the film did receive. Or the fact that Ledger was nominated, since that's what most of you were hoping for (or expecting) to begin with.

8 nominations is tremendous. Ledger's nomination is truly fantastic. This is a good day for the Dark Knight. But instead of being content with that, you're acting like a pack of pissed off, rabid fanboys because the film didn't get every category you felt it deserved. Oh well. Life isn't fair. But this is hardly a reason to act the way some of you are acting. And it's certainly not reason enough to be more angry than happy about the days events. Like I said, 8 nominations is damn impressive in any book. Hell, Ledger being nominated fulfilled my expectations.

-WsS?

Any of my complaints aren't towards TDK not getting nominated for Best Picture because I kind of had a hunch that it wouldn't.

My complaints are towards Nolan not getting a Best Director Nomination which he truly deserved. Not saying he should win outright but he should have gotten a nomination.

[Sentinel X]

I haven't seen Button yet so I won't judge that. But I have seen Slumdog and as I've said before, it's just your typical "rags to riches" story. Yea it is charming and funny. Yea it has some great performances by the youngsters. But best film? Not in my opinion. Not in a million years.Well, although I haven't seen slumdog millionaire (I think I will see it this weekend though) Im glad Danny Boyle got a nomination for Best Director....I think Christopher Nolan deserved a nomination more but still he is a good director imo.

[baerrtt]

Why don't they just call the Oscars the "Holocaust, Dramas, Period Peices, Biopics, and movies starrin Meryl Streep, Cate Blanchette, and other of our favorite actor and actresses" awards because thats what it really is :o

Btw, I agree Shakespeare in Love WTF!?!...overrated movie, should have never been nominated and the fact that it beat Saving Private Ryan?...wow....but I liked Crash and didnt mind it winning. But biggest wtf is Chicago winning best picture....really?.... :dry:

EDIT: Wtf?! Ghost got a Best Picture nomination :wow:....???!
The movie is good for a romance but best picture nomination good?...I dont think so. The best thing about that movie was Whoopi Goldberg!

Yup they indeed nominated GHOST alongside GOODFELLAS in 1991 for Best Picture probably because it was a blockbuster that didn't have toy adverts(the bias that helped ET lose the Best Picture award it was favourite to win and contributes to TDK's snub).

[-Arya-]

if nolan got a nom then people here would just be complaining "how could it get nominated for having best direction, yet its not worthy for best picture?"
I think thats taking it a little too far. Im sure nearly everyone here would not be complaining as much if Nolan got nominated.

[Mike53421]

Wow when's the last time the board was THIS lively? After the Kicking and Screening viewings?

[Anita18]

How is that shooting themselves in the foot.

Any reasonable person knew the type of noms TDK was going o get was Heath + visuals/sound/art/etc style. If anything, Nolan could of snuck a nom in there, but that was cutting it close too.
So most of the Oscar pundits aren't reasonable people? I've been lurking among most of the Oscar blogs and forums for months and TDK was still on most people's predictions as of last night.

It was even nominated in the the big guilds - if that isn't a good predictor, I don't know what is. The Academy dropped the ball, big time. There is absolutely no way to explain it otherwise.

"Shooting themselves in the foot" because how can they get the TV ratings they so desperately want if they deny the $500+ million, critically-acclaimed, AFI/NBR/PGA/DGA/WGA-nominated blockbuster?

[AgentChaos0066]

This is SUCH a disgrace and slap in the face to the best film of the year. Such a spit in the mug of an oustanding director.

And I will make good on my vow that if those pompous idiot ***** in the Academy didn't nominate the best picture of the year for it's rightful awards for best film, and best director ... I would blow up a hospital.

[Fenrir]

what? just becausei would never expect 100% of 6,000 PEOPLE (!!!) to vote solely on merit doesnt refute anything i said. if i believed the vast majority of the voting black voted for irresponsible reasons, then maybe....but thats not what i said.

You're telling me that your point that Academy members do NOT always vote on the basis of merit does NOT contradict your argument that TDK didn't get nominated only because of a lack of merit? Care to try again?

receive nothing?! are you kidding me? does a lack of best picture nomination really negate all the money and awards and recognition its garnered all year? does none of that matter anymore because one single guild didnt give it recognition that your personal standards required?

I meant "receive nothing" from the Academy in the major categories. Although it doesn't exactly negate what TDK DID achieve, but Best Picture and Director nods would've been the final seal of approval that would've granted TDK entry into the super-exclusive club of LOTR, Ben-Hur and Titanic that scored massive gold on both fronts.

[Motown Marvel]

I think thats taking it a little too far. Im sure nearly everyone here would not be complaining as much if Nolan got nominated.

fanboys never cease to amaze me. having been posting on these boards for so long i've come no never underestimate their rabid bitter pettiness.

[Sentinel X]

Yup they indeed nominated GHOST alongside GOODFELLAS in 1991 for Best Picture probably because it was a blockbuster that didn't have toy adverts(the bias that helped ET lose Best Picture and contributes to TDK's snub).Its crazy (I've never seen goodfellas so I cant judge) but Ghost was just one of those movies you watch on TV cause you are bored then youre like "That wasnt bad for a romantic comedy" and you move on....imo at least :o

And ET totally deserved to win but yeah...I guess the Academy loves LOTR cause they have toys and games too. hmmm.


All in all though, I don't think having an academy award is the greatest film honor....I'd much rather be on AFI's Top 100 list...Most of the films on that list, I would agree, a VERY good. E.T is on :)...and who knows maybe The Dark Knight can get a spot when they make a revision!...heres hoping!

[-Arya-]

Its crazy (I've never seen goodfellas so I cant judge) but Ghost was just one of those movies you watch on TV cause you are bored then youre like "That wasnt bad for a romantic comedy" and you move on....imo at least :o


Shame on you. Go buy it and watch it now.

[I Am The Knight]

Best Picture and Director nods would've been the final seal of approval that would've granted TDK entry into the super-exclusive club of LOTR, Ben-Hur and Titanic that scored massive gold on both fronts.

And this is necessary because...

[AgentChaos0066]

So most of the Oscar pundits aren't reasonable people? I've been lurking among most of the Oscar blogs for months and TDK was still on most people's predictions as of last night.

It was even nominated in the the big guilds - if that isn't a good predictor, I don't know what is. The Academy dropped the ball, big time. There is absolutely no way to explain it otherwise.

"Shooting themselves in the foot" because how can they get the TV ratings they so desperately want if they deny the $500+ million, critically-acclaimed, AFI/NBR/PGA/DGA/WGA-nominated blockbuster?
EXACTLY.

This isn't some fanboy film we all thought was a higher quality than it really was ... this film genuinely DESERVED the money it made, and the praise.

All to get this big of a snub? Ridiculous.

Then add ontop of it the fact that the Oscars have had such few viewers over the past few years, all they needed to do was nominate it and they'd get viewers. I mean just nominating it to get people to tune in would be a disservice as well considering it's still the best film of the year, but at least they wouldn't come out looking like idiots that they are and wouldn't have alienate the entire globe who went to see the film in masses and were so enthralled they went to repeate viewings in a day and age where there is media to control your time at every turn and you have bootleg dvd's for $10 on the street corner, for free over the internet. And it still made all that money, and garnered such mass praise.

The Reader?
Milk?
Curious Case of Benjamin Button?

over THE DARK KNIGHT?

Uhhh, no.

[Anita18]

:lmao: Commenters over at Deadline Hollywood Daily are also calling for a boycott, and calling for an under 30-million viewing audience - some think snubbing TDK and/or Wall-E just cost them 15 million viewers.

This is so cool.

[Badabing45]

And just to toss this out there:

It's amazing how many of you are all up in arms over this. You can't just be pleased with the honors the film did receive. Or the fact that Ledger was nominated, since that's what most of you were hoping for (or expecting) to begin with.

8 nominations is tremendous. Ledger's nomination is truly fantastic. This is a good day for the Dark Knight. But instead of being content with that, you're acting like a pack of pissed off, rabid fanboys because the film didn't get every category you felt it deserved. Oh well. Life isn't fair. But this is hardly a reason to act the way some of you are acting. And it's certainly not reason enough to be more angry than happy about the days events. Like I said, 8 nominations is damn impressive in any book. Hell, Ledger being nominated fulfilled my expectations.

-WsS?

It's not necessarily that The Dark Knight didn't get nominated. The fact that it's considered a snub is a victory in its own right. It's that THE READER got nominated ahead of it. Reading the posts, it seems like people would have been disappointed, but fine if The Wrestler or WALL-E got the nomination instead.

People are outraged because the Academy gave into the biggest stereotype people have about the Oscars, "They'll nominate anything that has to do with the Holocaust" is what is upsetting everyone. Not just fanboys, but everyone from Roger Ebert to Nikki Finke. The Reader may be the worst reviewed Best Picture nominee in over a decade, and it got the nomination because it was a World War II Nazi drama backed by Harvey Weinstein and the Weinstein company.

On a lighter note, today confirmed that Ricky Gervais is a genius (anyone who's seen the Kate Winslet episode of Extras knows what I'm talking about).

[chintai80]

This is an outrage!!

[Fenrir]

fanboys never cease to amaze me. having been posting on these boards for so long i've come no never underestimate their rabid bitter pettiness.

Personally, I'd advise you that using "fanboy" as a derogatory term is ill-advised for anyone who has accumulated 16,000 posts over a span of five and a half years on a superhero message board. :o:o

[hatebox]

I'd say Nolan's entitled to be a little pissed off, but you know he doesn't give a damn.

I honestly wouldn't care about any of it at all if TDK was at least edged out by The Wrestler. But The Reader?

Safe and dull, Academy. Safe and dull.

[DACrowe]

Well I can't say that I am surprised. But I am extremely disappointed.

Now I think you could make FAIR ARGUMENTS that The Curious Case of Benjamin Button, Slumdog Millionaire and Milk are all better movies than The Dark Knight or Wall-E. So I'm glad those three made the cut. But I personally prefer TDK to those pictures.

I'm even glad to see Frost/Nixon nominated for best picture as I find it to be a very underrated movie.

But The Reader is...how do I say a weak choice. It reminds me the year Chocolat was nominated for best picture. No one thought it was particularly good and the critics' consensus was mostly a giant shrug of apathy, but because it was a Mirmax picture backed by Harvey Weinstein, it squeezed its heavy ass into the top 5 line-up above more deserving films.

Harvey Weinstein made an average Holocaust film. And the three things that garauntee Oscar recognition? Suburbian angst, mentally handicapped lead characters and the Holocaust. The event was a great tragedy, probably the greatest of the 20th century. The clearest example of evil. And it has inspired some amazing films. But for every Schindler's List there is a Pianist. Or a Reader.

C'est la vie.

To me the biggest snubs were not in the best picture category. They were:

1) Christopher Nolan not receiving Best Director. Say what you want about the movie being "just a simple superhero movie," but Nolan was flawless delivering a crime picture every bit as complex and well executed as say The Departed (the 2006 best picture winner), No Country for Old Men (the highly overrated 2007 best picture winner) and superior to previous Oscar-bait (Crash, the 2005 best picture winner). He also created a movie milestone by creating a cinematic feature length narrative using IMAX cameras. At least Pffister was recognized for that.

2) Bruce Springsteen was not nominated for best song. Must be some disdain for Afforonsky for flicking him off?

Anyway I was very happy with the acting category and hope Sean Penn takes it home for his amazing portrayal of Harvey Milk. I also hope Hathaway wins best actress because Winslet did basic Oscar-bait twice this year and I don't want to see her rewarded for that. And Streep was amazing and I preferred Doubt to Rachel Getting Married, but Streep has won enough and I like Hathaway.

As for supporting actor. Ledger is a lock. But I feel snubbing Nolan is still a massive insult to the film and a huge actor condscending snobbery. Ledger deserves to win, but I suspect if he was alive he would have been snubbed as well. I am also very happy to see Brolin in there for Milk, however I wish James Franco was also nominated for that picture and took Robert Downey's spot. I loved Downey in Tropic Thunder, but Franco did far more difficult and complex work in Milk.

My two cents.

[Fenrir]

And this is necessary because...

F**KING BRAGGIN' RIGHTS! :cmad::up:

[Mike53421]

I hope just (at least) one showtime of the IMAX re-release sells out, that'd be pretty awesome that a movie that came out six months ago, on DVD/BD one month ago, could still sell out a theatre despite not having the Oscar push.

I'm not even a fan of Hugh Jackman, so I won't be watching, I'll maybe check out the Best Supporting Actor category (or YouTube it).

[baerrtt]

You're telling me that your point that Academy members do NOT always vote on the basis of merit does NOT contradict your argument that TDK didn't get nominated only because of a lack of merit? Care to try again?



I meant "receive nothing" from the Academy in the major categories. Although it doesn't exactly negate what TDK DID achieve, but Best Picture and Director nods would've been the final seal of approval that would've granted TDK entry into the super-exclusive club of LOTR, Ben-Hur and Titanic that scored massive gold on both fronts.

And what irritates most people is that when they've nominated the movie that's also the highest grossing film of it's year before, compared to how TDK was widely received by critics, they've chosen movies (like the aforementioned GHOST) that had nothing but box-office going for them or movies like Titanic or Forrest Gump that weren't exactly that well received on release and caused much divisiveness when they won Best Picture respectively.

How is TDK or even WALL-E, better reviewed than Gump, Titanic,Rocky, Rain Man etc, less worthier for a Best Pic nom (never mind the win) than the popular movies they've chosen in the past that not many actually considered amongst they year's best?

To the Academy the reason is simple: those two films belong to genres they won't take seriously.

Btw this extends to THE WRESTLER as if any other sport had been given the dramatic legit treatment Arofonsky gives a 'fake' one they'd be nominating that film deservedly.

[Motown Marvel]

You're telling me that your point that Academy members do NOT always vote on the basis of merit does NOT contradict your argument that TDK didn't get nominated only because of a lack of merit? Care to try again?

you're really stretching here. i said not all 6,000 of the academy members always vote on merit. that'd be a dumb ass and impossible expectation for anyone to have. again, the only way that would contradict what i said is if i believed the vast majority of the voting block were irresponsible enough to vote for a film based on anything other than its quality and merit. i do not believe that to be true. i believe the majority of the voting block are honest voters. and because of that, i believe that TDK was judged on its merit as decided by the opinions of the members of the academy.



I meant "receive nothing" from the Academy in the major categories. Although it doesn't exactly negate what TDK DID achieve, but Best Picture and Director nods would've been the final seal of approval that would've granted TDK entry into the super-exclusive club of LOTR, Ben-Hur and Titanic that scored massive gold on both fronts.

well, clearly, some people dont think TDK should be in such super exclusive club. i happen to agree with that opinion.

[I Am The Knight]

Sigh. Oh Gaia.

[AgentChaos0066]

Motown Marvel is also an ameteur wannabe film maker who back in the day said he could've easily wrote a better origin Batman script than that of Batman Begins.

Your opinion means nadda.

[Octoberist]

If a movie like Dark Knight doesn't get nominated for Best Picture in the Oscars, its not the end of the world. It's already acclaimed and recognized the world over.

[hatebox]

well, clearly, some people dont think TDK should be in such super exclusive club. i happen to agree with that opinion.

You'll deny it, but I have a strange feeling you're loving all this. :cwink:

[TheVileOne]

TDK doesn't get a best picture nod and hearts break every where :D .

I honestly could care less. The Dark Knight doesn't need award accolades to be one of the best movies of all time.

The movie doesn't need an Oscar to show that Batman could do what all those other movies couldn't.

Hey Heath Ledger got a nomination for SUPPORTING. That means he has a better chance of winning. Supporting is typically a consolation prize award.

However, Robert Downey Jr. as Kirk Lazarus/Osirus > Heath Ledger Joker :D

Downey Jr. deserves to take it this year.

[ShadowBoxing]

And this is necessary because...
...Nothing. That's why this whole Oscar Push is so childish. Star Wars lost to Ordinary People and yet which one has conventions every year, hordes of fans, made millions of dollars and has merchandise up the whazoo...oh, yeah, the one that lost. The Oscars is not an unbasised rating of quality, it's a massive party thrown at the end of the year to celebrate filmaking. The Oscars have always, IMO, seemed to mean more to the stars themselves than the producers, directors and writers. Those people make money when their film makes money. The Oscars don't change the fact that Nolan has a fat 500 million dollar check in his pocket, which is ten times more of a seal of approval than a golden statue. He wasn't "snubbed", it's just that the Academy notoriously doesn't like those types of films. Think of it this way: if you had a friend Steve and Steve did not like The Dark Knight, would you get a big petition together to make Steve honor it. No. The Oscars has a certain type of movie they like to honor, they push to win, and they vote for, and there is nothing wrong with that. The Oscars rarely affects which films go down in history, as many films it would see as "bad"...not just good films it snubbed...have more of a following than films it pushed through. Evil Dead, Spider-Man 2, Blade Runner, Halloween, Friday the 13th, Wedding Crashers, The Producers (original), Animal House, Young Frankenstein all are not Oscar films...who cares. You'll probably watch those a hundred times more than any obscure Oscar pick.

[GregComicFan]

I am also disappointed The Dark Knight did not get nominated for best picture. Despite it being a "commercial" film, I think the academy members should of taken into consideration its "overall likeability by the general masses"... what other film in the "Best Picture" category earned over half a billion dollars? What other film is getting RE-released on January 23rd to make even more money (and I plan to see it again in IMAX)? What other film was more talked about and more hyped about and gave people more smiles and cheers and thrills when they were watching/exiting the theater?

The Curious Case of Benjamin Button
Frost/Nixon
Milk
The Reader
Slumdog Millionaire


I only saw Slumdog Millionaire. So I can't really complain. I plan on seeing Frost/Nixon this week because I like political dramas. On other movie websites, the film getting the most bashing is "The Reader". Most critics for the movie websites and visitors are saying the Dark Knight should of taken its spot. The others seem generally well-respected.

Slumdog Millionaire was an excellent, worthy film. But I saw The Dark Knight 5 times in theaters and I plan to see it in IMAX at once more... I think I could sit through Slumdog once more in my lifetime....

I think that says something...

I think the Academy Members were just afraid to admit that Batman is cooler than everybody. Even you. Even your mom :)

Greg

[Octoberist]

Zimmer and JNH not being nominated comes as a big surprise to me. Sucks.

I still think the the Batman Begins was a tad better than their work on Dark Knight..

[Octoberist]

TDK doesn't get a best picture nod and hearts break every where :D .

I honestly could care less. The Dark Knight doesn't need award accolades to be one of the best movies of all time.

The movie doesn't need an Oscar to show that Batman could do what all those other movies couldn't.

exactly.

[Anita18]

:lmao:

From Nat Rogers at The Film Experience:

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd87/sugarfiend06/oscarpreferences.jpg

[baerrtt]

Its crazy (I've never seen goodfellas so I cant judge) but Ghost was just one of those movies you watch on TV cause you are bored then youre like "That wasnt bad for a romantic comedy" and you move on....imo at least :o

And ET totally deserved to win but yeah...I guess the Academy loves LOTR cause they have toys and games too. hmmm.


All in all though, I don't think having an academy award is the greatest film honor....I'd much rather be on AFI's Top 100 list...Most of the films on that list, I would agree, a VERY good. E.T is on :)...and who knows maybe The Dark Knight can get a spot when they make a revision!...heres hoping!

With LOTR it wasn't exactly the same thing as the merchandise(barring the video games) wasn't exactly stuff the non-hardcore were buying (I saw more LOTR merch bought in specialist shops than in mainstream shops such as Toys'R'Us for example) plus, whatever distaste they had for the trilogy (Peter Jackson actually being snubbed for Best Director for THE TWO TOWERS was a telling moment) it came from a respected literary novel (unlike Batman sadly) so in their minds it was a perfectly okay Academy movie.

[Motown Marvel]

You'll deny it, but I have a strange feeling you're loving all this. :cwink:

its moderately amusing :o

[hatebox]

Empire magazine's take on the Academy 'bottling' it:

http://www.empireonline.com/empireblog/Post.asp?id=351

[Octoberist]

It's funny how only a select few have actually seen The Reader, but yet it gets bashed because a certain article/blog criticized it. Or at least, that's the impression that I'm getting from 'some'.

[Cory]

RDJ and heath both deserve it... RDJ was ****ing awesome!


but heaths joker...comon. that was something special. it will forever be remembered, where as RDJ's will be remembered as comedy, more people think of Iron Man when they think of RDJ than they do TT. when you think heath now...you think Joker. Man that was ****ing nuts.

[hatebox]

It's funny how only a select few have actually seen The Reader, but yet it gets bashed because a certain article/blog criticized it. Or at least, that's the impression that I'm getting from 'some'.

I've seen it. NOTHING to recommend about it beyond Winslet's performance. Like Daldry's 'The Hours' it feels like it was made purely to win awards.

[I Am The Knight]

...Nothing. That's why this whole Oscar Push is so childish. Star Wars lost to Ordinary People and yet which one has conventions every year, hordes of fans, made millions of dollars and has merchandise up the whazoo...oh, yeah, the one that lost. The Oscars is not an unbasised rating of quality, it's a massive party thrown at the end of the year to celebrate filmaking. The Oscars have always, IMO, seemed to mean more to the stars themselves than the producers, directors and writers. Those people make money when their film makes money. The Oscars don't change the fact that Nolan has a fat 500 million dollar check in his pocket, which is ten times more of a seal of approval than a golden statue. He wasn't "snubbed", it's just that the Academy notoriously doesn't like those types of films. Think of it this way: if you had a friend Steve and Steve did not like The Dark Knight, would you get a big petition together to make Steve honor it. No. The Oscars has a certain type of movie they like to honor, they push to win, and they vote for, and there is nothing wrong with that. The Oscars rarely affects which films go down in history, as many films it would see as "bad"...not just good films it snubbed...have more of a following than films it pushed through. Evil Dead, Spider-Man 2, Blade Runner, Halloween, Friday the 13th, Wedding Crashers, The Producers (original), Animal House, Young Frankenstein all are not Oscar films...who cares. You'll probably watch those a hundred times more than any obscure Oscar pick.

Exactly. And Blade Runner is very close to being my favorite film, ever.

its moderately amusing :o

You can sense some people being actually "hurt" by this :o

[Fenrir]

you're really stretching here. i said not all 6,000 of the academy members always vote on merit. that'd be a dumb ass and impossible expectation for anyone to have. again, the only way that would contradict what i said is if i believed the vast majority of the voting block were irresponsible enough to vote for a film based on anything other than its quality and merit. i do not believe that to be true. i believe the majority of the voting block are honest voters. and because of that, i believe that TDK was judged on its merit as decided by the opinions of the members of the academy.

You know, at first anyone would think that you're some uptight film school snob or some kind of cinema elitist with a chip on his shoulder for being glad that TDK got booted out. But then again, if you really were one you wouldn't have been defending the Academy's decision like that. In fact, those snobs hate the Academy even more than we do for their countless colossal f**k-ups with Kubrick, Hitchcock and falling for shallow and predictable Oscar-baits instead of recognizing films with real merit.

But then again, if that is what you BELIEVE, then our argument is very much inconsequential and essentially, pointless.

well, clearly, some people dont think TDK should be in such super exclusive club. i happen to agree with that opinion.

Oh well, it came close. And it still is and forever will be THE film of 2008. It lost a big battle today but it won the war. :up:

[Motown Marvel]

You can sense some people being actually "hurt" by this :o
i would never take pleasure in anyones pain. but anyone who is genuinely hurt by something like this, needs to get their priorities straight.

[Anita18]

I've seen it. NOTHING to recommend about it beyond Winslet's performance. Like Daldry's 'The Hours' it feels like it was made purely to win awards.
Ugh, a post at Film Experience just pointed out that Stephen Daldry has a 3 movies-3 Oscar noms streak.

Yup. He's made 3 feature films, and all three have been nominated for Best Director. Over Chris Nolan AND Darren Aronofsky. Disgraceful. :o

[Motown Marvel]

You know, at first anyone would think that you're some uptight film school snob or some kind of cinema elitist with a chip on his shoulder for being glad that TDK got booted out. But then again, if you really were one you wouldn't have been defending the Academy's decision like that. In fact, those snobs hate the Academy even more than we do for their countless colossal f**k-ups with Kubrick, Hitchcock and falling for shallow and predictable Oscar-baits instead of recognizing films with real merit.

But then again, if that is what you BELIEVE, then our argument is very much inconsequential and essentially, pointless.

the academy is far from perfect. kubrick, hitchcock, and scorsese snubs are unforgivable. but it'd be impossible for the institution, or any institution, to not have its flaws and flubs. i just do not believe this particular instance is one of them. and again, you seem to paint the academy as such a vile and corrupt institution. okay, fine, then you dont need to be so offended over them "snubbing" TDK. you should be content with what you have.


Oh well, it came close. And it still is and forever will be THE film of 2008. It lost a big battle today but it won the war. :up:

okay. thats a fair enough opinion.

[Fenrir]

You know what's so bittersweet about this whole ordeal? TDK getting snubbed and then joining the esteemed company of legendary masterpieces but also Oscar-rejects like 2001, Seven Samurai and Psycho. :up:

[Snoo]

:lmao:

From Nat Rogers at The Film Experience:

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd87/sugarfiend06/oscarpreferences.jpg

In the left column I chuckled at the "movies about girls" (it seemed so out of place before it hit me which movie was meant) but it's the right column that takes the cake. A big lulz at "La Streep" and "loving mommas" (so true) and Clint and Woody crossed out.

[TheVileOne]

Why is that so disgraceful?

Nolan wasn't trying to win an Academy Award. He was focused on giving us a great Batman movie to end like all Batman movies.

I mean I get the whole Holocaust thing. But I mean, it's Winslet and Gervais on EXTRAS - Holocaust movie and you get awards :D .

[hatebox]

i would never take pleasure in anyones pain. but anyone who is genuinely hurt by something like this, needs to get their priorities straight.

Well, it's like a fan being 'hurt' that their team lost at the superbowl.

Yes it's ridiculous, but for some (not me I might add) it feels quite real. They'll sleep it off i'm sure.

[Caped Crusader]

Hours later and im still pissed

[Fenrir]

the academy is far from perfect. kubrick, hitchcock, and scorsese snubs are unforgivable. but it'd be impossible for the institution, or any institution, to not have its flaws and flubs. i just do not believe this particular instance is one of them. and again, you seem to paint the academy as such a vile and corrupt institution. okay, fine, then you dont need to be so offended over them "snubbing" TDK. you should be content with what you have.

Nevertheless, TDK getting the shaft will go down as another one of those colossal f**k-ups in the Academy's history.

[8Diagrams(WU)]

Its almost as if the academy's criteria is exactly what I find boring and unapealing about movies. Ive never cared for their picks. There is a reason why the oscars have lost relevance with the general public throughout the past 15 years or so I say.

In any way, TDK already had a big impact in popular culture. Much more than an irrelevant award, to me at least, would have.

[Sentinel X]

In the left column I chuckled at the "movies about girls" (it seemed so out of place before it hit me which movie was meant) but it's the right column that takes the cake. A big lulz at "La Streep" and "loving mommas" (so true) and Clint and Woody crossed out.Enlighten me...because Im still trying to figure out what movie(s) he meant by that?


And to add to the list: Science-Fiction films.

[DarthAlani]

Think about it like this, Steven Spielberg perhaps the greatest director of all-time did not win a best director or picture oscar until he made Schindler's list. Which just happens to be a WW2 film about Jews in concentration camps.

Nolan will have to make a film about something they caters to the academy's narrow mindset about which films the feel should be nominated. **** the Academy

[Anita18]

Hours later and im still pissed
I'm still amused. And feeling the schadenfreude. :hehe:

[CristiMAN]

Empire magazine's take on the Academy 'bottling' it:

http://www.empireonline.com/empireblog/Post.asp?id=351

Good article and a nice read... Agree with every word there...

[Octoberist]

You know what's so bittersweet about this whole ordeal? TDK getting snubbed and then joining the esteemed company of legendary masterpieces but also Oscar-rejects like 2001, Seven Samurai and Psycho. :up:


For the win. :woot:

[Ace of Knaves]

"Bottle". That's exactly how i described it earlier. They "bottled" it.

[Badabing45]

To think positively, the Academy has a history of getting things wrong, but also seeing where they've made mistakes and tried their best to correct them. This entire decade alone is an example of the Oscar being given out as "make up" awards: to Denzel Washington for robbing him for Malcom X, to Russell Crowe for getting robbed for The Insider, to Martin Scorsese for robbing/snubbing him repeatedly, to the Coen Brothers for their many snubs.

Even a few hours after the nominations were read, there's a consensus forming that The Dark Knight and Chris Nolan got snubbed. Roger Ebert's lead sentence in his Oscar article isn't Slumdog Millionaire or Benjamin Button, it's "In a startling upset, "The Dark Knight" failed to make the cut in the Best Picture category Thursday, as this year's Academy Awards nominees were announced."

If the next Batman movie is anywhere close to being as good or successful as The Dark Knight, I think Warner Bros. recognizes that right away and plans their Oscar campaign accordingly, and I think the next one breaks the barrier.

[DarthAlani]

To think positively, the Academy has a history of getting things wrong, but also seeing where they've made mistakes and tried their best to correct them. This entire decade alone is an example of the Oscar being given out as "make up" awards: to Denzel Washington for robbing him for Malcom X, to Russell Crowe for getting robbed for The Insider, to Martin Scorsese for robbing/snubbing him repeatedly, to the Coen Brothers for their many snubs.

Even a few hours after the nominations were read, there's a consensus forming that The Dark Knight and Chris Nolan got snubbed. Roger Ebert's lead sentence in his Oscar article isn't Slumdog Millionaire or Benjamin Button, it's "In a startling upset, "The Dark Knight" failed to make the cut in the Best Picture category Thursday, as this year's Academy Awards nominees were announced."

If the next Batman movie is anywhere close to being as good or successful as The Dark Knight, I think Warner Bros. recognizes that right away and plans their Oscar campaign accordingly, and I think the next one breaks the barrier. I hope so. Maybe the 3rd time can be a charm

[Captain Planet!]

:lmao:

From Nat Rogers at The Film Experience:

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd87/sugarfiend06/oscarpreferences.jpg
:hehe: Sad but true. I like the Oscars, I watch em every year, but man... In the words of Morgan Freeman...


This is wrong.

[Ace of Knaves]

I thought this post was funny, and really rings true.

"The funny thing about the Reader, and the main reason I will not detract anything from it, is simply remembering Kate Winslet's cameo in Extras, where she is making a film about the holocaust primarily to get an Oscar, as she lists a bunch of films while smoking a *** on set. Good on her really. I don't mind seeing Britons winning."

[8Diagrams(WU)]

Think about it like this, Steven Spielberg perhaps the greatest director of all-time did not win a best director or picture oscar until he made Schindler's list. Which just happens to be a WW2 film about Jews in concentration camps.

Nolan will have to make a film about something they caters to the academy's narrow mindset about which films the feel should be nominated. **** the Academy

Well that is really a problem. how could these be awards for filmaking achievements and creative excellence when the track record clearly shows that there is interest only in a certain type of film?

You can make an argument for TDk being the best film of the year or not, but Nolan not getting the directors nod, and films like the reader making it in just shows how snob like and removed from their public the academy and their criteria really is.

[Snoo]

Well, it's like a fan being 'hurt' that their team lost at the superbowl.

Yes it's ridiculous, but for some (not me I might add) it feels quite real. They'll sleep it off i'm sure.

Exactly, that's a nice comparison. People acting like the world has come to an end (or actually acting violent and aggressive among other things) when their fave team lost, always made me stare at them in wonder a bit because I couldn't relate to the feeling on the same level as them.

But once you try to put yourself into their shoes and compare the feeling to one you're familiar with (and that's not hard to do), it's a lot easier to understand the frustration and disappointment. I do that everytime someone makes a (to me) bewildering comment about something I don't care much about/understand. It works everytime without fail.

I don't have to personally understand why people are so up in arms about it but if they feel but a small percentage of what I'm feeling when I'm seriously disappointed about something, then I get them. That's all I need to know.

The negative feeling may pass over time, sure, but right now it stings. Hell, maybe it'll sting a bit forever (I'm still grumbling over Brokeback).

[Ace of Knaves]

Well untill your team loses the FA Cup to a last minute goal by a wanker, don't judge sports fans who get violent! :hehe:

[Anita18]

Even a few hours after the nominations were read, there's a consensus forming that The Dark Knight and Chris Nolan got snubbed. Roger Ebert's lead sentence in his Oscar article isn't Slumdog Millionaire or Benjamin Button, it's "In a startling upset, "The Dark Knight" failed to make the cut in the Best Picture category Thursday, as this year's Academy Awards nominees were announced."

If the next Batman movie is anywhere close to being as good or successful as The Dark Knight, I think Warner Bros. recognizes that right away and plans their Oscar campaign accordingly, and I think the next one breaks the barrier.
Roger Ebert is the coolest guy ever. :heart:

And WB really did push TDK hard. They had those beautiful FYC ads and everything. Unfortunately, they timed the re-release wrong so now they look somewhat foolish, but hey if theaters are selling out, that ain't a bad thing! Rub it in the Academy's faces - "This is what you could have gotten, too bad!"

I still bet WB is pissed though. They were expecting some big Oscar noms.

[Snoo]

Enlighten me...because Im still trying to figure out what movie(s) he meant by that?


And to add to the list: Science-Fiction films.

If I'm not mistaken it was referring to Juno? It was nominated for Best Picture but didn't win, just like it didn't win for Best Actress and Best Director. It "only" got an Oscar for Best Original Screenplay.

[TheVileOne]

Let me put it this way.

I think the movie making $1 billion worldwide as well as being a comic book movie and one of the best reviewed movies ever is more important than the oscar wins.

I think the outcry that it didn't get nominations is more important because it shows how inspired audiences and critics alike were by the movie.

I mean guys, The Dark Knight like it or not is NOT a prestige picture.

Warners Bros. who also did Benjamin Button - THAT was their prestige picture. And considering that a ton of money was spent on Button being their prestige picture, which movie do you guys think they are happy about getting more awards?

All the awards for Benjamin Button means they can get more money back on their investment. While the movie has made over $100 million, it cost probably well over $200 million with all the awards campaigning.

[Sentinel X]

If I'm not mistaken it was referring to Juno? It was nominated for Best Picture but didn't win, just like it didn't win for Best Actress and Best Director. It "only" got an Oscar for Best Original Screenplay.Oh yeah...perhaps you are right, thanks :yay:

However, I dont feel that Juno even deserved an oscar nomination...I really enjoyed it but I think No country for Old Men and There will be Blood were both better films.

[Dark Knight]

:lmao: Commenters over at Deadline Hollywood Daily are also calling for a boycott, and calling for an under 30-million viewing audience - some think snubbing TDK and/or Wall-E just cost them 15 million viewers.

This is so cool.




This is awesome!

We have to BOYCOTT the Oscars everyone. Just DVR or TIVO it to see Heath win best supporting actor and do NOT watch the live show.

[Anita18]

:lmao: Harry at AICN puts it best:

The Academy just slit their own throats. Not having THE DARK KNIGHT in the major awards running will kill viewership. Especially with Wolverine hosting.

[$klaary]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jan/23/snubbing-the-dark-knight/

[Captain Planet!]

Ben Butt was WB and Paramount.

[Anita18]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jan/23/snubbing-the-dark-knight/
Man, this kind of stuff is more awesome than TDK GETTING those noms. It really shows what a farce the Oscars have become.

Nothing like collective :cmad: :cmad::cmad:

[SpiderRock88]

Dark Knight deserves all the nominations, and all the awards it receives, great job!

[8Diagrams(WU)]

TDK not getting the nod is getting lots of media attention. I was flipping channels and caught it in two different channels.

The IMAX re-release just got itself lots of new ticket sales.

[Sentinel X]

Im actually NOT watching the oscars this years...none of the films nominated really interest me much.

And a good thing is perhaps the oscars will think twice before they snub a movie just because its: comic book, scifi, or any other genre that the Academy looks at in disdain. Unfortunately The Dark Knight had to be the 'guinea pig' so to speak or the one film that will probably get them to be open minded to more films.

[DSET]

allow me to vent myself because I am Pissed
TDK got snubbed plain and simple

The reader was all about a good performances and so was the wrestler which is got the push from the actors guild
most figured it wouldn't make it because its a movie thats only good because of the performance and a simple story
there's not much special about the directing

and id say anything thats at all good about the reader fits in that category,
and how did the reader make it over the wrestler you may ask?
is because the story and directing isnt AS one dimensional like the wrestler yet the wresler is known as a ten times better movie. The reader is a movie the critics havent even deemed as Decent.
this the sole proof tdk got snubbed

you telling me that the directing job of TDK couldn't stack up against 2 semi documentary's and the reader?
you'd be kidding yourself to think any otherwise

Jan 22nd is the worse day for batfans
heath dying
and now this

itl be another 5-15 years before a bat film gets a shot at making the Oscars and even then I doubt it

sure I agree TDK had its flaws but with the competition here it should have easily been nominated ESPECIALLY in the directors department

just like pans lab didnt make it because its foreign film, TDK isnt making it because its a hollywood action flick

I also think that if they were gonna bend their rule they would have bent it to to win which in a way suggests it wouldnt have beat slumdog, which IMO it stacks up against well. But for directing Nolan was a shoe in.

[JaD]

I hate it when it gets to the point where I actually have to go see these other films which are supposedly so much worthy of receiving this praise (and BP nominations). That's what I'm thinking about this Reader movie which I have yet to see.

[$klaary]

Man, this kind of stuff is more awesome than TDK GETTING those noms. It really shows what a farce the Oscars have become.

Nothing like collective :cmad: :cmad::cmad:

I love the last sentence:

"And the academy wonders why people care less and less about the Oscars every year."

[JaD]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jan/23/snubbing-the-dark-knight/That tiny little paragraph in the end has a large amount of truth in it, especially.

[Snoo]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jan/23/snubbing-the-dark-knight/

That was a fantastic read, thanks for the link! I kept nodding at every paragraph. Goosebumps here! My spirits are almost elevated by all this outpouring... And it's just the first day, too. Wonder if any (new) protesting TDK fansites will spring up as a result? I wouldn't be surprised if one was in the making already, it's just the sort of thing angry/disappointed/baffled fans would do.

[ShadowBoxing]

Let me put it this way.

I think the movie making $1 billion worldwide as well as being a comic book movie and one of the best reviewed movies ever is more important than the oscar wins.

I think the outcry that it didn't get nominations is more important because it shows how inspired audiences and critics alike were by the movie.

I mean guys, The Dark Knight like it or not is NOT a prestige picture.

Warners Bros. who also did Benjamin Button - THAT was their prestige picture. And considering that a ton of money was spent on Button being their prestige picture, which movie do you guys think they are happy about getting more awards?

All the awards for Benjamin Button means they can get more money back on their investment. While the movie has made over $100 million, it cost probably well over $200 million with all the awards campaigning.
Bingo. They didn't make The Dark Knight for the Oscars, hence it's SUMMER release. It was their tentpole summer franchise, and it more than delivered to the tune of 500 million dollars. They got what they wanted out of that film, and trust me, Warner Bro's could give two sh**s that TDK is not nominated what with it's DVD sales and box office revenue. The Curious Case of Benjamin Button is a film they made with the intent of trying to win awards. They made it and they campaigned for it's nomination. Fans should be happy that a movie like The Dark Knight that was made with popcorn action in mind gets a nomination for best supporting actor, that proves the film exceeded expectations, if the box office take didn't prove that for you already.

[Hunter Rider]

Did I just read someone comparing Ledger's death to TDK not getting a nom ? :dry:

Truth is most in here have said time and again that critics don't matter, yet critics are the reason for trashing The Reader for most, as hardly anyone seems to have seen it.

[$klaary]

This was the music i wanted to play to celebrate the best picture nomination of TDK:

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In reference to the "golden boys".

[ChrisB]

Are you honestly surprised it didnt get Best Picture? The only thing I see wrong with the nominations is The Reader is there instead of The Wrestler.

[Anita18]

Bingo. They didn't make The Dark Knight for the Oscars, hence it's SUMMER release. It was their tentpole summer franchise, and it more than delivered to the tune of 500 million dollars. They got what they wanted out of that film, and trust me, Warner Bro's could give two sh**s that TDK is not nominated what with it's DVD sales and box office revenue. The Curious Case of Benjamin Button is a film they made with the intent of trying to win awards. They made it and they campaigned for it's nomination. Fans should be happy that a movie like The Dark Knight that was made with popcorn action in mind gets a nomination for best supporting actor, that proves the film exceeded expectations, if the box office take didn't prove that for you already.
No, they didn't make TDK to win Oscars, but when they saw how good it was, they took the opportunity. Did you see those gorgeous FYC ads? They even organized a re-release, which costs money. My source at 42E said that they aren't allowed to talk about the ARG until after the Oscars, which I assume was a mandate by WB's marketing dept.

WB was really expecting some Oscar nominations.

[JaD]

Did I just read someone comparing Ledger's death to TDK not getting a nom ? :dry:There's this new invite only social group (http://forums.superherohype.com/group.php?groupid=59) that was created. I don't think he's in it at the moment, don't worry :cwink: It's just emotions right now I'm sure.

[TheVileOne]

Critics matter to people only when it's convenient.

Listen to those of you saying no wonder no one cares about or watches the Academy Awards.

I mean, I understand the anger. But shouldn't the Academy hold itself to a higher standard and the voters go for movies that are above and beyond just the popcorn mainstream moviegoer stuff?

[Caped Crusader]

Invite me! Im ****ing pissed

[DSET]

Did I just read someone comparing Ledger's death to TDK not getting a nom ? :dry:

Truth is most in here have said time and again that critics don't matter, yet critics are the reason for trashing The Reader for most, as hardly anyone seems to have seen it.
didnt mean it in that serious of a sense
but two negatives on the same day OBviously one far more negative than the other
.

[raynorWilm]

I thought TDK was a better film than the Reader. Not saying that TDK should have definately been in, just that the Reader shouldnt. I think the Wrestler could have taken that spot, and if the voters were feeling crazy, why not put TDK in there. I read in a lot of places that either TDK or Nolan were going to get a nod, and neither did, which is a little upsetting.

[Etienne]

Yeah but the bomb threat will go ignored because when Joker calls it in he won't have a British accent. :hehe:
And last time I checked "Joker" isn't a Jewish name. :hehe:

[DSET]

Are you honestly surprised it didnt get Best Picture? The only thing I see wrong with the nominations is The Reader is there instead of The Wrestler.
I wouldnt have been
if the film academy
directors producers actors guild didnt give their blessings

also I wouldnt have been nearly as pissed if the wrestler made it in over the reader
but the fact that it did just shows how screwed up their judgement system is

[Poeman]

Well even if TDK would have been nominated it would have lost easily to Slumdog Millionaire, which is a far more impactful film in terms of the themes, plot, moral and all that other stuff that was thrown in there. I agree Dark Knight is the closest thing you could have had to have a perfect superhero movie winning best picture and it should have gotten the nomination over 3 of the movies on that list.

But Slumdog Millionaire is hands down the best movie ive seen in years

[cerealkiller182]

Critics matter to people only when it's convenient.

Listen to those of you saying no wonder no one cares about or watches the Academy Awards.

I mean, I understand the anger. But shouldn't the Academy hold itself to a higher standard and the voters go for movies that are above and beyond just the popcorn mainstream moviegoer stuff?

agreed

[DSET]

Well even if TDK would have been nominated it would have lost easily to Slumdog Millionaire, which is a far more impactful film in terms of the themes, plot, moral and all that other stuff that was thrown in there. I agree Dark Knight is the closest thing you could have had to have a perfect superhero movie winning best picture and it should have gotten the nomination over 3 of the movies on that list.

But Slumdog Millionaire is hands down the best movie ive seen in years

Im desi so i have some bias love for slumdog
but the bat hypocrite in me wants to say TDK was better because of how far the movie pushed the envolope
but that mainly points to directing
I think Nolan Should have bested Boyle Easily

[Badabing45]

Critics matter to people only when it's convenient.

Listen to those of you saying no wonder no one cares about or watches the Academy Awards.

I mean, I understand the anger. But shouldn't the Academy hold itself to a higher standard and the voters go for movies that are above and beyond just the popcorn mainstream moviegoer stuff?

By nominating Holocaust/World War II/Nazi movies, no matter how mediocre they are?

[Paste Pot Pete]

However, Robert Downey Jr. as Kirk Lazarus/Osirus > Heath Ledger Joker :D

Downey Jr. deserves to take it this year.

No, no, no, no...

Downey is awesome, but Tropic was dreck, and I'm a Stiller fan.

His nomination is a "You've had a great comeback, Rob!"

His recent performances in Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang and Zodiac trump TT. And I'm sure The Soloist and even Sherlock Holmes will be more awardsworthy. The nom just seems eager to jump on the bandwagon.

* I'm not jumping on RDJ for no reason, I love the guy and it's not his fault. I just would've given his slot to Dev Patel or James Franco.

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea but professional critics such as Roger Ebert can't all be wrong.

My main problem with all this is the fact that a lot of people who decided the nominations for the Golden Globes and the other awards are the same people who decide the nominations for the Academy. So it seems they think TDK is worthy of Best Picture for the "smaller" awards but don't think it is worthy for the Oscars. Why is that? I'm betting it's solely to do with it being a comic book movie.

[JaD]

By the way, did I mention there's not one single film on that BP list I could care if it actually did win at all? I can't even think of another film more deserving than TDK. It stands out far more than anything else from 2008, period.

[Paste Pot Pete]

Im desi so i have some bias love for slumdog
but the bat hypocrite in me wants to say TDK was better because of how far the movie pushed the envolope
but that mainly points to directing
I think Nolan Should have bested Boyle Easily

Nolan really did get robbed, though it's linked to the BP snub because the two are almost always identical. But Nolan really deserves recognition for being the creative force behind such a technical step forward in filmmaking and milestone of pop culture entertainment.

But as someone said earlier, it took Spielberg (and forget about Scorcese!) years and years to win. :o

[Bats]

I'm surprised and not surprised about it not getting Best Picture of Best Director nods. It would have been nice, but admittingly, I'd be more shocked if it were nominated in either.

As for the other films, since I haven't seen 'em, I can't say for sure if they were more or less deserving. No one else should either unless they did see them.

I was even telling my gf last night that it would definitely get technical nominations and should get Best Supporting Actor too.

We should be satisfied (at least partially) that Heath got his nom. Him not getting that would be the travesty.

I just would have hoped that a movie that broke records, highly surpassed people's expectations AND got one of the top 5 noms, would have gotten another top one. Even if it came in last.

[Cmill216]

Critics matter to people only when it's convenient.

Listen to those of you saying no wonder no one cares about or watches the Academy Awards.

I mean, I understand the anger. But shouldn't the Academy hold itself to a higher standard and the voters go for movies that are above and beyond just the popcorn mainstream moviegoer stuff?

Yeah. They should. Problem is: The Dark Knight isn't "popcorn mainstream moviegoer stuff".

[raynorWilm]

also, Nolan should have made it over Stephen Daldry! Ive seen all the films nominated for best Director and nothing stood out to me in the Reader. As far as BD is concerned, I think they focus too much on who gets the best pic noms and just go from that. I think to get a nom as BD, you need to have a great film as well as taken some risks in your directing. Fincher, Boyle, van Sant acheived this, but im not sold on Howard and especially Daldry. I think Nolan pushed his directing further than those two and should have gotten credit for it...

[Ace of Knaves]

Well even if TDK would have been nominated it would have lost easily to Slumdog Millionaire, which is a far more impactful film in terms of the themes, plot, moral and all that other stuff that was thrown in there. I agree Dark Knight is the closest thing you could have had to have a perfect superhero movie winning best picture and it should have gotten the nomination over 3 of the movies on that list.

But Slumdog Millionaire is hands down the best movie ive seen in years

See, I look at Slumdog as a decent, charming "rags to riches" tale. It isn't half as innovative, entertaining or original as TDK IMO. It's just a new spin on rags to riches.

[BlueLightning]

When I came home from school today, my sister was watching the nominations on TV. A part of me hoped that TDK would get Best Picture Nomination or Chris Nolan getting Best Director. But for some reason it didn´t surprised me when they were ignored. It would be too good.

Certainly, they deserved at least being nominated, even to win. But no, I guess they think they are very "closed minded" (is that even a word?) to see that over the glamour and box office numbers, The Dark Knight is truly a great movie, with an amazing group of actors and beautifully directed. I am very sad that Chris Nolan is not being recognized by the Oscar´s (or even the Golden Globes for that matter), and that Heath won´t be here to get the praise he deserve.

Still I am going to watch the Oscar´s, it´s like a family tradition, even if we had not seen all the movies that are nominated, and I hope TDK wins most of the nominations it had received today.

We know its a great movie, and thats all we need. Because it's the movie that deserves to win, but not the one it needs to win right now.

(Yeah that would be me trying to write something cool)

[Anita18]

I mean, I understand the anger. But shouldn't the Academy hold itself to a higher standard and the voters go for movies that are above and beyond just the popcorn mainstream moviegoer stuff?
Sure, I don't begrudge them that. But this year they had two - TWO! - critically-acclaimed mainstream movies that they could have voted for Best Pic and nobody would have blinked an eye. And didn't have the balls to do so, because of their genres.

[raynorWilm]

No, no, no, no...

Downey is awesome, but Tropic was dreck, and I'm a Stiller fan.

His nomination is a "You've had a great comeback, Rob!"

His recent performances in Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang and Zodiac trump TT. And I'm sure The Soloist and even Sherlock Holmes will be more awardsworthy. The nom just seems eager to jump on the bandwagon.

* I'm not jumping on RDJ for no reason, I love the guy and it's not his fault. I just would've given his slot to Dev Patel or James Franco.
Agreed, Downey Jr was funny in TT, but I dont see it as a difficult and challenging performance as some of the others. He certainly did go all out for it, which is why I think he got the nom, but as for winning, he has DONE better and will DO better in the near future...

[Ace of Knaves]

I thought his role as Stark was better.

[drunkhomer]

i guess i'm not surprised tdk didnt get nominated for best picture...

but i'm disappointed in the fact that i actually thought Nolan was going to and deserved to get a nomination for best director.

[Anita18]

:lmao: :lmao:

A thread on World of KJ is titled, "shut it people...The Reader is NOT conventional bait" and when you open the thread, the first post is, "it is way worse."

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea I'm mainly pissed off about Nolan's snub. I never got my hopes up too high for Best Picture nom, even though I do think it deserved it. But snubbing Nolan? It just doesn't make sense. What other director this year or even the last two years has bettered him?

[Paste Pot Pete]

I just did not find Tropic funny at all.

I chuckled once or twice. And to give credit where it's due, they were all Downey's.

But, yeah. Weird. I usually "get" most comedies, but this one just baffled me. Tom Cruise's bits, which I was expecting to pee myself laughing at, ended up being awkwardly unamusing. To quote Stiller's much superior film, Zoolander, "I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!"

[Ace of Knaves]

HAHAHA Zoolander FTMFW

"Downey Jr, he's so hot right now!"

[StorminNorman]

Critics matter to people only when it's convenient.

Listen to those of you saying no wonder no one cares about or watches the Academy Awards.

I mean, I understand the anger. But shouldn't the Academy hold itself to a higher standard and the voters go for movies that are above and beyond just the popcorn mainstream moviegoer stuff?

People aren't upset that a Popcorn Mainstream Moviegoer movie was overlooked, they are upset that a Mainstream Event film that was beloved by Critic and Public alike and was recognized by three of the most powerful and prestigious guild's (Writers, Directors, Producers) was snubbed by the Academy.

[Figs]

People aren't upset that a Popcorn Mainstream Moviegoer movie was overlooked, they are upset that a Mainstream Event film that was beloved by Critic and Public alike and was recognized by three of the most powerful and prestigious guild's (Writers, Directors, Producers) was snubbed by the Academy.


I'm curious, who makes up the Academy if it's not the heads of the guilds?

[raynorWilm]

this is general consensus of what Ive been reading today

http://news.yahoo.com/s/eonline/20090122/en_top_eo/80212

[FCEEVIPER]

When I came home from school today, my sister was watching the nominations on TV. A part of me hoped that TDK would get Best Picture Nomination or Chris Nolan getting Best Director. But for some reason it didn´t surprised me when they were ignored. It would be too good.

Certainly, they deserved at least being nominated, even to win. But no, I guess they think they are very "closed minded" (is that even a word?) to see that over the glamour and box office numbers, The Dark Knight is truly a great movie, with an amazing group of actors and beautifully directed. I am very sad that Chris Nolan is not being recognized by the Oscar´s (or even the Golden Globes for that matter), and that Heath won´t be here to get the praise he deserve.

Still I am going to watch the Oscar´s, it´s like a family tradition, even if we had not seen all the movies that are nominated, and I hope TDK wins most of the nominations it had received today.

We know its a great movie, and thats all we need. Because it's the movie that deserves to win, but not the one it needs to win right now.

(Yeah that would be me trying to write something cool)
:applaud

[DSET]

Nolan really did get robbed, though it's linked to the BP snub because the two are almost always identical. But Nolan really deserves recognition for being the creative force behind such a technical step forward in filmmaking and milestone of pop culture entertainment.

But as someone said earlier, it took Spielberg (and forget about Scorcese!) years and years to win. :o
agreed
while Im sure nolan will get it down the line
Im also sure it wont be with a batfilm
and thats what makes this hurt double as much:csad:

[Hunter Rider]

See, I look at Slumdog as a decent, charming "rags to riches" tale. It isn't half as innovative, entertaining or original as TDK IMO. It's just a new spin on rags to riches.

I wouldn't say TDK was innovative or original per se, it was a well made, well acted and well scripted crime thriller in the vein of Silence of the Lambs meets Heat.

Now Slumdog was a conventional tale but brilliantly woven together in a creative and gripping fashion IMO

:lmao: :lmao:

A thread on World of KJ is titled, "shut it people...The Reader is NOT conventional bait" and when you open the thread, the first post is, "it is way worse."

Probably written by someone that hasn't even seen it. ;)

[JaD]

:applaudDitto.

[cerealkiller182]

I wouldn't say TDK was innovative or original per se, it was a well made, well acted and well scripted crime thriller in the vein of Silence of the Lambs meets Heat.

Now Slumdog was a conventional tale but brilliantly woven together in a creative and gripping fashion IMO

agreed

Probably written by someone that hasn't even seen it. ;)

Yea, i get the feeling that many are bad mouthing it out of spite.

[DSET]

See, I look at Slumdog as a decent, charming "rags to riches" tale. It isn't half as innovative, entertaining or original as TDK IMO. It's just a new spin on rags to riches.
it is not as innovative

but overall it has less flaws
and
it hurts me to say a more constant level of acting

the only big and new thing slumdog did was migrate some bollywood actors into our region of films

But IMO TDK for the most part would give a viewer a more enjoyable experience (obviously based on your tastes) and it pushed the envolope farther than any film has in a long time

[DSET]

People aren't upset that a Popcorn Mainstream Moviegoer movie was overlooked, they are upset that a Mainstream Event film that was beloved by Critic and Public alike and was recognized by three of the most powerful and prestigious guild's (Writers, Directors, Producers) was snubbed by the Academy.
yes if it wasnt as loved by teh critics and the guilds i wouldnt be nearly as surprised

[Paste Pot Pete]

It's impossible to remove myself from my Bat-fanaticism, but if I tried...I would likely rate TDK and Slumdog as essential equals, as far as they are both riveting and entertaining films of the highest caliber.

Given my lifelong fanaticism, TDK probably made my heart race a teeny bit more. And it's likely to have more replay value (tough to say this early; I've seen TDK about seven times and will be seeing Slumdog tomorrow for the second time) But they both rock; definitely the two best films I've seen all year.

[Ace of Knaves]

I wouldn't say TDK was innovative or original per se, it was a well made, well acted and well scripted crime thriller in the vein of Silence of the Lambs meets Heat.

Now Slumdog was a conventional tale but brilliantly woven together in a creative and gripping fashion IMO


I disagree man. How was TDK not innovative? It made a comic book movie like a crime thriller. It has proved that just because it is a comic book movie it doesn't have to be all bright and cheery. It utilized brand new filming techniques.

I love Danny Boyle, I really do. He is one of my favourite directors. But I honestly think he has done much better work.

[Figs]

I disagree man. How was TDK not innovative? It made a comic book movie like a crime thriller. It has proved that just because it is a comic book movie it doesn't have to be all bright and cheery. It utilized brand new filming techniques.

I love Danny Boyle, I really do. He is one of my favourite directors. But I honestly think he has done much better work.


I agree.

I'm most likely going to see Slumdog only because of the hype when it comes to DVD but personally from everything I've read and seen...I just don't get what the hype is about.

I also like Boyle's films alot but in this case it seems like he essentially just made a bollywood film.:huh:

[Hunter Rider]

I disagree man. How was TDK not innovative? It made a comic book movie like a crime thriller. It has proved that just because it is a comic book movie it doesn't have to be all bright and cheery. It utilized brand new filming techniques.

I love Danny Boyle, I really do. He is one of my favourite directors. But I honestly think he has done much better work.

It told the type of story that has been told in the books many times and in movies many more times, it didn't follow the comic book movie template but it wasn't innovative in terms of the crime movie.

I thought Slumdog was his best to date.

[StorminNorman]

The people that lose in this decision are not Bat Fans but the Academy.

It is moves like this that are make the Academy irrelevant to anyone that has never stepped foot inside an art house theater.

[cerealkiller182]

The people that lose in this decision are not Bat Fans but the Academy.

:whatever: How melodramatic can you be?

It is moves like this that are make the Academy irrelevant to anyone that has never stepped foot inside an art house theater.

I think they are ok with that.

[Anita18]

Probably written by someone that hasn't even seen it. ;)
It's still funny. :funny:

[[A]]

Can you people honestly tell me you haven't seen the same Memoirs of a Slumdog story at least two times..? If not more? Like myself--I've seen -and read- that kind of story lots of time. As movies, kids tales, soap operas (here in Argentina and the rest of Latin America is the most common -and over-used- kind of story) and even kiddies cartoon.



..and poor Danny Boyle--he's made so much better movies before and now he gets a nomination?

[Cmill216]

The Dark Knight was unconventional in that it took chances blockbuster films usually don't take. That includes killing off the main character's love interest for the sake of the story.

Beyond all that, the film was rich as hell. When you start talking about weaving Bruce's internal conflicts, with the rise of the Joker, the deconstruction of the mob, the rise and fall of Harvey Dent, and the morality tale of the city, it's just amazing how much was packed into this film. And, IMO, all of it worked.

[CristiMAN]

..and poor Danny Boyle--he's made so much better movies before and now he gets a nomination?

I feel the same for Fincher. Seven and Zodiac are sooooooo much better than Benjamin Button...

Maybe someday we will say the same for Nolan... Memento and The Dark Knight were sooooooooooo much better than...
:)

[Caped Crusader]

Cmill, stop you are speaking the truth, the academy doesnt want to hear it

BTW, can you invite me into the sane group lol

[Ace of Knaves]

Can you people honestly tell me you haven't seen the same Memoirs of a Slumdog story at least two times..? If not more? Like myself--I've seen -and read- that kind of story lots of time. As movies, kids tales, soap operas (here in Argentina and the rest of Latin America is the most common -and over-used- kind of story) and even kiddies cartoon.



..and poor Danny Boyle--he's made so much better movies before and now he gets a nomination?

The Dark Knight was unconventional in that it took chances blockbuster films usually don't take. That includes killing off the main character's love interest for the sake of the story.

Beyond all that, the film was rich as hell. When you start talking about weaving Bruce's internal conflicts, with the rise of the Joker, the deconstruction of the mob, the rise and fall of Harvey Dent, and the morality tale of the city, it's just amazing how much was packed into this film. And, IMO, all of it worked.

100% agreed with both of you.

And I really don't wanna say it again but I will, Slumdog is just a new twist on the tried and tested "rags to riches" story. Nothing more IMO. It was enjoyable yea, but best picture worthy? No chance. Well not IMO anyway.

[Hunter Rider]

Can you people honestly tell me you haven't seen the same Memoirs of a Slumdog story at least two times..? If not more? Like myself--I've seen -and read- that kind of story lots of time. As movies, kids tales, soap operas (here in Argentina and the rest of Latin America is the most common -and over-used- kind of story) and even kiddies cartoon.



..and poor Danny Boyle--he's made so much better movies before and now he gets a nomination?

I could say the same of any movie on the list, it's the way it's told that makes it work.

As for Boyle, it's my favourite movie of his.

The Dark Knight was unconventional in that it took chances blockbuster films usually don't take. That includes killing off the main character's love interest for the sake of the story.

Beyond all that, the film was rich as hell. When you start talking about weaving Bruce's internal conflicts, with the rise of the Joker, the deconstruction of the mob, the rise and fall of Harvey Dent, and the morality tale of the city, it's just amazing how much was packed into this film. And, IMO, all of it worked.

I agree with the bulk of what you are saying about the quality, I am saying that unconventional in it's genre doesn't make it unconventional cinema in general.

[Hunter Rider]

Slumdog wasn't a rags to riches story, it was a love story and coming of age tale, Jamal only goes on the game show to get Latika's attention, he doesn't care about the money, even after he wins, it's all about Latika for him.

[Ace of Knaves]

Well The Reader and Slumdog aren't unconventional cinema in general either then really.

[StorminNorman]

:whatever: How melodramatic can you be?


No, its true. If TDK was in the Academy Awards the ratings for the ceremonies would be significantly higher than what they will be this year. It would of created mainstream buzz and interest that there is not now.

[DSET]

Can you people honestly tell me you haven't seen the same Memoirs of a Slumdog story at least two times..? If not more? Like myself--I've seen -and read- that kind of story lots of time. As movies, kids tales, soap operas (here in Argentina and the rest of Latin America is the most common -and over-used- kind of story) and even kiddies cartoon.



..and poor Danny Boyle--he's made so much better movies before and now he gets a nomination?
city of god is very similar in many aspects

[StorminNorman]

Does anyone have a link to the compilation of Best of 2008 movie list?

[Ace of Knaves]

No, its true. If TDK was in the Academy Awards the ratings for the ceremonies would be significantly higher than what they will be this year. It would of created mainstream buzz and interest that there is not now.

Especially considering Wolverine is hosting!

HAHA I've just thought, maybe that's why it didn't get the nod. With Wolvie hosting and TDK up for best picture it would be too much comic book stuff for the elitist Academy.

[Hunter Rider]

Well The Reader and Slumdog aren't unconventional cinema in general either then really.

I never said they were though, I said Slumdog was innovatively woven together, not that the story was anything new, I can't comment on The Reader.

[Cmill216]

Slumdog wasn't a rags to riches story, it was a love story and coming of age tale, Jamal only goes on the game show to get Latika's attention, he doesn't care about the money......

Dude, spoiler alert.

[DSET]

I say we all buy tickets for TDK EXactly when the OScars is on

if Everyone who is down to see the movie again goes on F22nd
itl be sick

either than or we send a guy down to the oscars to beat up dicraprio and spray paint his face:hehe:

[Kanon]

Slumdog wasn't a rags to riches story, it was a love story and coming of age tale, Jamal only goes on the game show to get Latika's attention, he doesn't care about the money, even after he wins, it's all about Latika for him.
Ok, I hope that is not a important spoiler... :woot:

So, it's like rocky with a game show instead of boxing?

[Doctor Jones]

WTF is Frost/Nixon doing in the BF catagory? TCCOBB is surprising there.

But I can't say I'm surprised, and I'm glad I didn't have huge expectations.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Does anyone have a link to the compilation of Best of 2008 movie list?http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=52150

And thanks again for the avatar Hunter.

[Anita18]

No, its true. If TDK was in the Academy Awards the ratings for the ceremonies would be significantly higher than what they will be this year. It would of created mainstream buzz and interest that there is not now.
Most people would agree:

http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_popmachine/2009/01/oscars-ratings-uhoh-no-dark-knight-springsteen-or-beyonc%C3%A9.html

I'm :applaud at the backlash that this (and other notable snubs) is causing. It's like the Academy really DOESN'T want people watching the telecast. Well, if you say so!

[Slushy]

Well, I didn't think The Dark Knight was going to win Best Picture had it been nominated since critics seem to have a hard-on for Slumdog Millionaire, but for a movie that made 500 million dollars domestically in one year for an industry that has been seen shrinking profits is not at least given a nom for that alone, is just asinine.

But then again, the Academy has always liked boring movies. That will never change. That's why I prefer the PEOPLE'S Choice Awards.

Go Heath Ledger!

[Anita18]

BTW, whoever you are Cisco007, stop quoting my posts on TheEnvelope.com. You think I don't see it?

:ninja: