The Oscar Push!

[FCEEVIPER]

I don't know why, but I want Benjamin Button to beat out Slumdog Millionaire.

[WVsax27]

I'd prefer any of the nominees except The Reader over Slumdog. Slumdog could go home with nothing from the SAG awards, Dev Patel has no chance at winning and I think Doubt or Milk could win the ensemble award.

[FCEEVIPER]

Yeah F The Reader.

[philranger]

Yeah F The Reader.
same. i'm sick of the reader and slumdog.
boring.
next!

[WVsax27]

I actually tried to watch The Reader again, just to see if maybe I missed something the first time. I think it could have been a good movie, but the state the film exists today is a total mess. I'm so happy the Academy didn't fall for the campaign for Winslet as a supporting role.

[philranger]

i really wish the Wrestler had taken the 5th spot. hell, i wish TDK and Wrestler both could have been included in the nominations. the more i see of all the current BP nom, the more i really appreciate TDK and Wrestler

[Crook]

I agree tried to watch The Reader again, just to see if maybe I missed something the first time. I think it could have been a good movie, but as the state the film exists today is a total mess. I'm so happy the Academy didn't fall for the campaign for Winslet as a supporting role.
Why? The Academy effectively f**ked her over by doing so. The role has a much better shot at winning in the supporting category than it does in the lead (even though Penelope has it in the bag, imo).

Furthermore, Kate's far superior performance in Revolutionary Road was completely overlooked. A role, which IS a leading female. By going with the inferior of the two, it's pretty much a guarantee this won't be Kate's year at the Oscars.

[philranger]

not unless weinstein has anything to say about it.

[WVsax27]

Why? The Academy effectively f**ked her over by doing so. The role has a much better shot at winning in the supporting category than it does in the lead (even though Penelope has it in the bag, imo).

Furthermore, Kate's far superior performance in Revolutionary Road was completely overlooked. A role, which IS a leading female. By going with the inferior of the two, it's pretty much a guarantee this won't be Kate's year at the Oscars.

They were BOTH leading. No doubt about it. I don't care if it would have helped her out, category fraud isn't okay. Sticking her in supporting could have taken Penélope Cruz's award away, just like she did at the Globes. PSH should probably be lead for Doubt also

[Anita18]

If one Academy member is upset about TDK's snub enough to do a write-in vote, then do you guys think it's possible that a large group of Academy members have been conversing about this behind the scenes, and are planning to do one large write-in for TDK in both Best Picture and Best Director, or at least in one of the categories?

And if possible, just possible, if this is going on, and despite the fact that the Academy has ruled write-ins as against the rules, what if TDK happens to pull out the majority via write-ins? Would they just throw all those thousands of votes out, or take it into consideration that the members of the Academy are sending them a strong message: that TDK deserved these noms?
As I've mentioned, it's a nice sentiment, but the damage has already been done. If TDK is not publicly nominated, the public won't tune in because it's not there to root for.

Plus they've reportedly ignored write-ins since the 1940s. :oldrazz:

I actually tried to watch The Reader again, just to see if maybe I missed something the first time. I think it could have been a good movie, but the state the film exists today is a total mess.
Yeah, I think that's been the general consensus. The first half totally doesn't match with the second. I find the first half completely weak, story and character-wise.

[WVsax27]

Yeah, I think that's been the general consensus. The first half totally doesn't match with the second. I find the first half completely weak, story and character-wise.

Yeah, it took about 20-30 minutes before I had a real idea of what was going on. And I don't think that was because the movie just went over my head

[Anita18]

Slumdog won the PGA says Awards Daily..maybe the directors will throw Chris a bone. They did it to Ron Howard when he was left off for Apollo 13. Wont happen, but why not hope?

reminder- The SAG awards are tonight if anyone wants to watch
Dunno if they have enough time to throw Chris a bone - when did the voting close? If it was before Thursday, or even closed on Friday, I doubt there was enough time for that kind of support to build up.

Not that I'd be all that :cmad: if TDK didn't win PGA or DGA. (IMO it was an honor just to be nominated at WGA, it probably has no chance at winning.) People have been predicting Slumdog for weeks, and TDK was at least nominated.

Eh, Slumdog's in it to win it now. Who needs to watch the Oscars? If it wins SAG ensemble, it's completely over and a done deal.

[Anita18]

Yeah, it took about 20-30 minutes before I had a real idea of what was going on. And I don't think that was because the movie just went over my head
LOL, I already knew what it was supposed to be about, going in. And I was still thinking, "Come on, when are we gonna get to the Oscar baity stuff?" :funny:

I also thought the framing of the flashbacks was fairly weak. The editing could have made it clearer that David Kross and Ralph Fiennes were playing the same character. (I already knew they were, but it could have been confusing to someone who wasn't paying attention.) I dunno, I think if you're gonna have such long stretches from the young character's POV, then stick with going chronological. Slumdog did a better job with the flashbacks, and even I wasn't as amazed by it as others were. Still thought The Prestige was better in that regard. :funny:

At least the acting in The Reader was good.

What's an even more recent :o development that Awards Daily brought up about this Oscar race is how Milk's IMDB score has tumbled, just like Brokeback Mountain's did. Woohoo, let the gay-bashing begin. :o

[WVsax27]

Dunno if they have enough time to throw Chris a bone - when did the voting close? If it was before Thursday, or even closed on Friday, I doubt there was enough time for that kind of support to build up.


Voting closes on the 30th...it's still wishful thinking though

[Badabing45]

anyone care to guess what Heath's Oscar clip will be? I'm personally hoping RDJ's will be the clip about going full retard at the Oscars..

Literally any 30 second clip from the movie could be used as Heath's Oscar clip. But I think it'll be the same clip they used at the Golden Globes "There's no going back...you've changed things...forever"

[Closerframe]

People need to stop blaming the Oscars for The Dark Knight being left out, the film is great, but it doesn't deserve neither Best Picture nor Best Director. People who say Slumdog Millionaire and The Reader are boring need to realize those types of movies show a directors real talent because it sets a focus character who goes through a change that influences and questions the viewers mind. The Dark Knight is not as intelligent as people perceive it to be. It'll no doubt win Best Supporting Actor, Best Editing, and probably Best CGI. So please don't complain because I'm sure Nolan's next film will fit Oscar material.

[p.marlowe]

People need to stop blaming the Oscars for The Dark Knight being left out, the film is great, but it doesn't deserve neither Best Picture nor Best Director. People who say Slumdog Millionaire and The Reader are boring need to realize those types of movies show a directors real talent because it sets a focus character who goes through a change that influences and questions the viewers mind. The Dark Knight is not as intelligent as people perceive it to be. It'll no doubt win Best Supporting Actor, Best Editing, and probably Best CGI. So please don't complain because I'm sure Nolan's next film will fit Oscar material.

Okay, So they awarded "Gladiator" Best Picture in 2001 for being a small, subtle film? Russell Crowe's performance merited a Best Actor Oscar, when his work in "The Insider" the year before and (maybe) "A Beautiful Mind" the year after wasn't very good?

[namtaB]

People need to stop blaming the Oscars for The Dark Knight being left out, the film is great, but it doesn't deserve neither Best Picture nor Best Director. People who say Slumdog Millionaire and The Reader are boring need to realize those types of movies show a directors real talent because it sets a focus character who goes through a change that influences and questions the viewers mind. The Dark Knight is not as intelligent as people perceive it to be. It'll no doubt win Best Supporting Actor, Best Editing, and probably Best CGI. So please don't complain because I'm sure Nolan's next film will fit Oscar material.

Thank you. Slumdog, Button, etc. are all films which deserve to be on that list of nominees for Best Picture. TDK does not. Its a good film, even great in a lot of respects. It redefined the genre. It brought intelligence to a comic book derived story. But these things don't necessarily mean its a Best Picture worthy film. The only thing I dispute is the Best Director nomination which Nolan should have gotten. He jammed a lot of information into a 2.5 hour film and not once did I feel bored, lost, or looking at my watch. The action and story were integrated well. He really deserved the Best Director nod but there's no doubt in my mind he will win the Oscar one day. All his films have been excellent.

Ultimately it does not matter. Its been years since a film has gotten the spotlight that TDK got. Its the second film in history to pass the $500 million mark domestically. Its the Batman film everyone has been itching for and built upon what was a laid down in BB. A third film will definitely be made. These are all incredible accomplishments for a film about a comic book character.

[magicangel1989]

To be honest with you guys, i was expecting only Heath Ledger to get the only oscar nomination for the Dark knight. But seven other nominations too? That is impressive. No matter what, i will still watch the oscars. I've basically seen most of the nominees. The only ones i haven't seen are the Reader, Wall E and Slumdog millionaire.

[hatebox]

Thank you. Slumdog, Button, etc. are all films which deserve to be on that list of nominees for Best Picture. TDK does not. Its a good film, even great in a lot of respects. It redefined the genre. It brought intelligence to a comic book derived story. But these things don't necessarily mean its a Best Picture worthy film. The only thing I dispute is the Best Director nomination which Nolan should have gotten. He jammed a lot of information into a 2.5 hour film and not once did I feel bored, lost, or looking at my watch. The action and story were integrated well. He really deserved the Best Director nod but there's no doubt in my mind he will win the Oscar one day. All his films have been excellent.

C'mon man, do you really think either side of this debate is going to be convinced by this point? We've all made up our minds long ago either way.

I do maintain that there wouldn't be nearly this much backlash, though, if it were The Wrestler rather than The Reader that edged TDK out.

[namtaB]

C'mon man, do you really think either side of this debate is going to be convinced by this point? We've all made up our minds long ago either way.

I do maintain that there wouldn't be nearly this much backlash, though, if it were The Wrestler rather than The Reader that edged TDK out.

I learned a long time ago that the self involved and self important conditions of the human species provides an enormous amount of inertia against any change of opinion. No, I'm not trying to change people's minds. Sometimes I just like to hear myself talk on a boring Sunday morning.

[Paste Pot Pete]

C'mon man, do you really think either side of this debate is going to be convinced by this point? We've all made up our minds long ago either way.

I do maintain that there wouldn't be nearly this much backlash, though, if it were The Wrestler rather than The Reader that edged TDK out.

And that would be because Reader is possibly the worst-reviewed BP nominee in recent history, whereas the Wrestler has gotten nothing but praise (and it is indeed a phenomenal movie, saw it last night).

Both TDK and Wrestler got snubbed.

[FlawlessVictory]

^No doubt about it. Can someone help me find The Reader on this list? I seem to have difficulty finding it :o

The films receiving Best Picture awards and #1 movie of the year rankings from publications, critics, and organizations tracked by Metacritic in 2008 are (with number of wins in parentheses): WALL-E (http://www.metacritic.com/film/titles/walle) (14.5), Slumdog Millionaire (http://www.metacritic.com/film/titles/slumdog) (11.5), Milk (http://www.metacritic.com/film/titles/milk2008)(6), The Dark Knight (http://www.metacritic.com/film/titles/darkknight) (6), A Christmas Tale (http://www.metacritic.com/film/titles/christmastale) (5), Rachel Getting Married (http://www.metacritic.com/film/titles/rachelgettingmarried) (4), Synecdoche, New York (http://www.metacritic.com/film/titles/synecdocheny) (3), Waltz with Bashir (http://www.metacritic.com/film/titles/waltzwithbashir2008) (3), Wendy and Lucy (http://www.metacritic.com/film/titles/wendyandlucy) (3), The Curious Case of Benjamin Button (http://www.metacritic.com/film/titles/bnjaminbutton2008) (2), Frozen River (http://www.metacritic.com/film/titles/frozenriver) (2), The Wrestler (http://www.metacritic.com/film/titles/wrestler2008) (2), The Visitor (http://www.metacritic.com/film/titles/visitor2008) (2), Happy-Go-Lucky (http://www.metacritic.com/film/titles/happygolucky) (2), Vicky Cristina Barcelona (http://www.metacritic.com/film/titles/vickycristinabarcelona) (1), Iron Man (http://www.metacritic.com/film/titles/ironman) (1), Frost Nixon (http://www.metacritic.com/film/titles/frostnixon) (1), Gran Torino (http://www.metacritic.com/film/titles/grantorino) (1), Ballast (http://www.metacritic.com/film/titles/ballast) (1), Man on Wire (http://www.metacritic.com/film/titles/manonwire) (1), Tell No One (http://www.metacritic.com/film/titles/tellnoone) (1), 4 Month, 3 Days and 2 Weeks (http://www.metacritic.com/film/titles/4months3weeksand2day) (1), Defiance (http://www.metacritic.com/film/titles/Defiance) (1)
Let the Right One In (http://www.metacritic.com/film/titles/lettherightonein) (1), The Fall (http://www.metacritic.com/film/titles/fall2006) (1), Young@Heart (http://www.metacritic.com/film/titles/young@heart) (1), Revolutionary Road (http://www.metacritic.com/film/titles/revolutionaryroad) (1), Encounters at the End of the World (http://www.metacritic.com/film/titles/encountersattheendoftheworld) (1), Flight of the Red Balloon (http://www.metacritic.com/film/titles/flightoftheredballoon) (1), Still Life (http://www.metacritic.com/film/titles/stilllife) (0.5)

http://www.metacritic.com/film/awards/

[Anita18]

C'mon man, do you really think either side of this debate is going to be convinced by this point? We've all made up our minds long ago either way.

I do maintain that there wouldn't be nearly this much backlash, though, if it were The Wrestler rather than The Reader that edged TDK out.
Or heck, even Doubt. Doubt at least had the SAG ensemble nomination behind it, and 4 acting Oscar noms.

The Reader had nothing. It's like, make the bias more obvious, why don't you, Academy.

[FlawlessVictory]

Or heck, even Doubt. Doubt at least had the SAG ensemble nomination behind it, and 4 acting Oscar noms.

The Reader had nothing. It's like, make the bias more obvious, why don't you, Academy.

Looks like the best shot a superhero film will ever have at a BP nomination is the young Magneto movie. :whatever:

[Paste Pot Pete]

Has anyone seen Defiance?

I'm very curious about its score. I was upset that TDK was left out, and I've noticed that this is the second time Defiance's score has been nominated (Golden Globes as well, if I recall), with it being the film's sole nomination of the nights.

It's appearances seem so random, given that it's otherwise entirely absent from the other categories. It must be a really good score. It is James Newton Howard as well, so I'd pleased if he won (Hans Zimmer is also up I think, ironically, so good luck to him too).

[Paste Pot Pete]

Looks like the best shot a superhero film will ever have at a BP nomination is the young Magneto movie. :whatever:

Haha. So true.

[I Am The Knight]

Looks like the best shot a superhero film will ever have at a BP nomination is the young Magneto movie. :whatever:

:hehe:

[Motown Marvel]

Looks like the best shot a superhero film will ever have at a BP nomination is the young Magneto movie. :whatever:

if watchmen lives up to its potential, there may be a genuine possibility for a best picture nomination.

[Anita18]

Looks like the best shot a superhero film will ever have at a BP nomination is the young Magneto movie. :whatever:
Only if it's executive produced by Harvey Weinstein. :hehe:

What's still funny about all this if it were almost anything BUT The Reader (Doubt, The Wrestler, Wall-E, Gran Torino), we could have chalked it up to guild nominations or reviews or Clint Eastwood. But now, what did happen (and what has been happening) is made crystal clear.

It's like a bank robber using a voided check of his to write his stick-up note. :funny:

if watchmen lives up to its potential, there may be a genuine possibility for a best picture nomination.
It's released in March. Its Oscar chances are non-existent. Note that every BP-nominated film this year was released in November onward.

[Mikelus]

Thank you. Slumdog, Button, etc. are all films which deserve to be on that list of nominees for Best Picture. TDK does not. Its a good film, even great in a lot of respects. It redefined the genre. It brought intelligence to a comic book derived story. But these things don't necessarily mean its a Best Picture worthy film. The only thing I dispute is the Best Director nomination which Nolan should have gotten. He jammed a lot of information into a 2.5 hour film and not once did I feel bored, lost, or looking at my watch. The action and story were integrated well. He really deserved the Best Director nod but there's no doubt in my mind he will win the Oscar one day. All his films have been excellent.


QFT. :up:

The Wrestler deserved it even more, that's the biggest injustice of all.

[TheGlassPrison]

I've now seen Slumdog, Ben Button and The Wrestler, and I still think I might prefer TDK over any of them. It's certainly better than Ben Button.

Especially for Best Director, I think Nolan deserved more credit for organizing quite a number of relatively complex themes and ideas into an extraordinarily entertaining piece of film.

All of the 3 films I mentioned before are, at their core, pretty simple stories.
Rags-to-riches, man ages backwards, pro athlete in the twilight of his career. Not that there's anything wrong at all about simple stories, it's just they didn't have near the challenges that Nolan had. The 2 1/2 hour length, the IMAX photography, the ensemble cast of very diverse yet rich characters, the huge action set pieces, the thousands of extras, the ideation of the Bat-pod and Tumbler, on-location filming, etc...


Another thing, alot of TDK naysayers point out that the movie has too many flaws/inconsistencies/loose ends to be a serious Oscar contender, but I think you could point out just as many in these other films if we wanted to. Hell, we've got a thread around here w/ people going frame by frame through the movie looking for mistakes. That's all good fun, but it's not fair to TDK unless your going to do that with the others films as well.
After seeing these other 3 films, I can immediately think of quite a few "flaws" already, without serious scrutinizing.

[BlackLantern]

why don't a bunch of you get dressed up and go protest....that could work....

[I Am The Knight]

Or make an "online petition" :hehe:

[Captain Planet!]

Has anyone seen Defiance?

I'm very curious about its score. I was upset that TDK was left out, and I've noticed that this is the second time Defiance's score has been nominated (Golden Globes as well, if I recall), with it being the film's sole nomination of the nights.

It's appearances seem so random, given that it's otherwise entirely absent from the other categories. It must be a really good score. It is James Newton Howard as well, so I'd pleased if he won (Hans Zimmer is also up I think, ironically, so good luck to him too).
I haven't seen it, but I listened to the score. It's really good. It has a lot of violins and stuff, I'm guessing the Academy likes those kinds of scores.

However, I can listen to The Dark Knight score everyday, it was amazing. The things TDK really, really got robbed of were Best Director and Best Score.
if watchmen lives up to its potential, there may be a genuine possibility for a best picture nomination.
I think Watchmen will be great, but it won't be recognized and it comes out in March.

[RachelDawes]

why don't a bunch of you get dressed up and go protest....that could work....

A bunch of batnerds dressed as Batman and the Joker protesting outside the Oscars...I would ROTFL if I saw that. :lmao:

[BlackLantern]

RD...it would make my year if I see that...holding signs saying 'TDK was robbed' and such

[Doctor Jones]

That woudl be funny. The academy will just come out all coked up and shoot them all and drag them back into the back rooms with the other people who dressed up for hopefulls of the oscars.

It's too bad, the people who dressed up for LOTR died for nothing.

[General Vulcun]

I'm still scratching my head at people who say The Reader and Benji Button deserve to be Best Picture nominees more than TDK.

[terry78]

I was watching E! this morning and they discussed the snub, as it were, and Ben Lyons said he was disappointed that it didn't get a nod for best pic/director, and the chick that was hosting was like, "yeah, my little kids are too." Haha.

[BlackLantern]

It's that stigma that CBFs carry....people don't view it with the same level of seriousness as other dramatic films....

[Captain Planet!]

I was watching E! this morning and they discussed the snub, as it were, and Ben Lyons said he was disappointed that it didn't get a nod for best pic/director, and the chick that was hosting was like, "yeah, my little kids are too." Haha.
Yeah, I saw that too. I was all like, ":dry:"

On the show they were acting all shocked that Leo DiCaprio didn't get nominated for Best Actor. I was like, ":huh:". He was never a front-runner.

[Motown Marvel]

I think Watchmen will be great, but it won't be recognized and it comes out in March.

march is a far from ideal month to garner oscar recognition, but it doesnt guarantee exclusion. but i dont think its the filmmakers intention to work for the oscar, and thats not my point. all im saying is, if theres any forthcoming comic book superhero film that would have a shot at a best picture nomination, it would be watchmen....that is, if it lives up to its potential.

[Captain Planet!]

march is a far from ideal month to garner oscar recognition, but it doesnt guarantee exclusion. but thats not my point. all im saying is, if theres any forthcoming comic book superhero film that would have a shot at a best picture nomination, it would be watchmen....that is, if it lives up to its potential.
Well, If I may... Duh.

Nobody is expecting Wolverine to win anything other than MTV Movie awards. We haven't seen anything else from any other upcoming superhero movies, but I don't think anyone is expecting IM2, Thor, or Captain America to be Oscar contenders either.

CA could be though, since it'll probably be about WWII.

[Doctor Jones]

If only the academy would read Watchmen.

[Captain Planet!]

I'm sure at least two of the few thousand or however many members there are in the Academy have read it.

[BlackLantern]

Im sure they would consider that beneath them DJ....I highly recommend people to actually check out the academy website and take a look at who the members of the Academy are...

[ultimatefan]

I can guarantee one thing: if TDK had lost the Oscar spot to, say, The Wrestler or even Wall-e (even though it has the Animation Oscar for it) it´d be far less irritating.

Don´t tell me there were no politics in this. Neither Curious Case (72% at RottenTomatoes, more of a mixed-to-positive response) nor The Reader (60%, barely even counts as "fresh"), got anywhere near the almost universal critical praise of TDK or The Wrestler. Both a megablockbuster and a small indie movie got snubbed for all the wrong reasons. Agree or disagree that TDK deserved the best picture nomination, it sure deserved it more than obvious Harvey Weinstein Oscar bait manipulative trite like The Reader, which audiences aren´t caring much for either, Oscar noms and everything.I guess Curious Case may have been the one that allowed them to snub TDK, cuz, otherwise, there´d be no audience interest in the ceremony, other than the tribute Oscar to Heath.

[Boom]

Agreed. Honestly, I wouldn't have cared if TDK got "snubbed" by The Wrestler, because it was a genuinely great film.

The fact that The Reader took the spot away from The Wrestler, above all else, is what really annoys me.

[BlackLantern]

who gives two ****s what Rotten Tomatoes has to say??

[Bim]

who gives two ****s what Rotten Tomatoes has to say??
Good to see someone else feels like i do... i honestly dont get what the RT fascination is :huh:

[Boom]

As good/great as Watchmen might prove to be, I'm almost inclined to give it a 0% chance at scoring an Oscar nomination.

-Comic book source material.
-Intense depiction of violence, including a graphic rape scene.
-Strong language.
-Strong sexuality and nudity.
-Spring release date.

Personally, I can't see that making an influential impact on the Academy. If anything, what it does have in its favor is its reputation: the only comic book to receive the Hugo Award. Although, I don't know much about that particular award, so I don't know how relevant that is.

[Dark Sentinel]

who gives two ****s what Rotten Tomatoes has to say??

Who gives two ****s about what you have to say?


:hoboj:

[BlackLantern]

Who gives two ****s about what you have to say?


:hoboj:


I don't run a pretentious movie rating website that seems to think it's more important than it actually is....

[Boom]

It matters to people because it's important for them that professional critics give "validation" to a movie. Ideally, people should only care about what THEY think of the movie, but that's rarely the case.

[I Am The Knight]

Ideally, people should only care about what THEY think of the movie, but that's rarely the case.

As demonstrated by this awful thread.

[namtaB]

It matters to people because it's important for them that professional critics give "validation" to a movie. Ideally, people should only care about what THEY think of the movie, but that's rarely the case.

That logic can also be applied to the screaming pissed off dark knight fanboys who are all wound up b/c it didn't get a best picture nomination....

[p.marlowe]

I don't run a pretentious movie rating website that seems to think it's more important than it actually is....

Kind of like the Oscars, who pretend to be more important than they really are. What are these award shows mostly anyway? Infomercials and sad hand wringing over ignoring the movies/films that matter to the people who pay the ****ing money.





:hoboj:

[BlackLantern]

It matters to people because it's important for them that professional critics give "validation" to a movie. Ideally, people should only care about what THEY think of the movie, but that's rarely the case.

exactly what I've been saying since the get go....

[BlackLantern]

Kind of like the Oscars, who pretend to be more important than they really are. What are these award shows mostly anyway? Infomercials and sad hand wringing over ignoring the movies/films that matter to the people who pay the ****ing money.





:hoboj:

The Oscars have just been around the longest...and the Oscars aren't about what movies make the most money or has the most exposure....ideally they are supposed to be about excellence in film, but it's degenerated into a politicking orgy....everyone wants that little statue, because at the end of the day, no one cares what you won an Oscar for...they just care that you won one.....Walton Goggins (Shane Vendrell from The Shield) is an Oscar Winner for a short film a few years back

[Anita18]

Okay, I need some more opinions here. I've heard a bunch of amazing things about The Wrestler, many of them here, but I've also heard (mostly from other women) that the violence is horrible to watch and that they had to hide their eyes most of the time. One of them loved No Country for Old Men, and the violence in that was a-okay with her, so...yeah.

What does the audience see in terms of violence and blood and stuff? I want to brace myself while watching, since I think I'd really like it beyond the violence. Spoiler tag if you must!

[[A]]

Violence in The Wrestler? I missed it :funny: No, really--there's nothing wow.

[Hunter Rider]

Okay, I need some more opinions here. I've heard a bunch of amazing things about The Wrestler, many of them here, but I've also heard (mostly from other women) that the violence is horrible to watch and that they had to hide their eyes most of the time. One of them loved No Country for Old Men, and the violence in that was a-okay with her, so...yeah.

What does the audience see in terms of violence and blood and stuff? I want to brace myself while watching, since I think I'd really like it beyond the violence. Spoiler tag if you must!

You see him blade himself, you see him pull barbed wire out of his flesh, and you see the Necro Butcher use a staple gun on himself for real.

[General Vulcun]

Okay, I need some more opinions here. I've heard a bunch of amazing things about The Wrestler, many of them here, but I've also heard (mostly from other women) that the violence is horrible to watch and that they had to hide their eyes most of the time. One of them loved No Country for Old Men, and the violence in that was a-okay with her, so...yeah.

What does the audience see in terms of violence and blood and stuff? I want to brace myself while watching, since I think I'd really like it beyond the violence. Spoiler tag if you must!The hardcore match is the most brutal part of the movie. Lots of blood and such, some semi-gross wounds, but nothing I would say is truly shocking. It was just done very well.

[ultimatefan]

Good to see someone else feels like i do... i honestly dont get what the RT fascination is :huh:

No "fascination" whatsoever, agree or disagree with the RT ratings, they´re the best measure of critical response to a film, and critical praise, at least in principle, is supposed to be of major importance for the Oscar nominations. I have yet to find anyone who thinks The Reader really deserved the best pic nom, for example.

[Motown Marvel]

As good/great as Watchmen might prove to be, I'm almost inclined to give it a 0% chance at scoring an Oscar nomination.

-Comic book source material.
-Intense depiction of violence, including a graphic rape scene.
-Strong language.
-Strong sexuality and nudity.
-Spring release date.

Personally, I can't see that making an influential impact on the Academy. If anything, what it does have in its favor is its reputation: the only comic book to receive the Hugo Award. Although, I don't know much about that particular award, so I don't know how relevant that is.

everyone says comic book films are frowned upon by the oscars. but im not quite convinced thats true. its just there has yet to be a comic book film worthy of a best picture nomination, in my opinion. the spring release date may in fact hurt its chances, making is easier to forget by time oscar season comes around. but hopefully the film can be good enough to transcend that. the other three reasons you've given i dont think are much of an issue. each of them are things you'd find in most R rated movies, and the oscars have never shied away from R rated films with such strong content.

either way, this probably isnt the place to discuss watchmen's oscar potential, ha. i was just mentioning it in passing...

[ultimatefan]

It matters to people because it's important for them that professional critics give "validation" to a movie. Ideally, people should only care about what THEY think of the movie, but that's rarely the case.

I mentioned RT simplys cuz this thread isn´t focused on personal opinions, it´s about the Oscar, and it´s a fact that critical validation is supposed to be relevant for Oscar nominations. Simple as that.

[BlackLantern]

No "fascination" whatsoever, agree or disagree with the RT ratings, they´re the best measure of critical response to a film, and critical praise, at least in principle, is supposed to be of major importance for the Oscar nominations. I have yet to find anyone who thinks The Reader really deserved the best pic nom, for example.

Oh my God, Oh my God...what did the world do before Rotten Tomatoes blessed us with its wisdom and benevolence...?? The Oscars have only been around for about 80 years or so, but now that Rotten Tomatoes is here, we can now truly find the excellence in film....

[philranger]

i say we get back into the spirit of the Dark Knight. Screw the oscars...
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u219/philranger2002/jokerawards09.jpg

[Captain Planet!]

-Strong language.

Saying "Sh**" is strong langauge? :huh:
-Strong sexuality and nudity.


A pair of boobs, some butts, and a blurry blue wang count as strong sexuality? :huh:

[CelticPredator]

Bigot? What makes them bigots?

[ultimatefan]

everyone says comic book films are frowned upon by the oscars. but im not quite convinced thats true. its just there has yet to be a comic book film worthy of a best picture nomination, in my opinion. the spring release date may in fact hurt its chances, making is easier to forget by time oscar season comes around. but hopefully the film can be good enough to transcend that. the other three reasons you've given i dont think are much of an issue. each of them are things you'd find in most R rated movies, and the oscars have never shied away from R rated films with such strong content.

either way, this probably isnt the place to discuss watchmen's oscar potential, ha. i was just mentioning it in passing...

Again, agree or disagree that TDK deserved the best pic nomination, I´ll never be convinced it deserved it less than obvious Oscar bait trite like The Reader. I have yet to find anyone on the press or among movie fans who thinks that particular movie deserved the nom. And far more praised movies, by critics and audience alike, were snubbed in its favor.

[Captain Planet!]

If Nolan got nominated, I wouldn't care. Of course it would have been better if The Wrestler, Doubt, or Syneoche New York or whatever it's called got nominated (I've heard nothing but praise for those movies).

But Nolan and Zimmer & Newton Howard getting snubbed are what bothered me the most.

[Motown Marvel]

Again, agree or disagree that TDK deserved the best pic nomination, I´ll never be convinced it deserved it less than obvious Oscar bait trite like The Reader. I have yet to find anyone on the press or among movie fans who thinks that particular movie deserved the nom. And far more praised movies, by critics and audience alike, were snubbed in its favor.

i havent seen the reader, so i cant pass any sort of judgement on it. hell, i never even saw a trailer for it, ha. but on its own, i didnt feel TDK was best picture material. so, to me, whether or not the reader deserved it is an entirely separate issue and has no effect on TDK's non-nomination.

[ultimatefan]

Oh my God, Oh my God...what did the world do before Rotten Tomatoes blessed us with its wisdom and benevolence...?? The Oscars have only been around for about 80 years or so, but now that Rotten Tomatoes is here, we can now truly find the excellence in film....


Funny, I didn´t say anything anywhere near what you´re implying. I can agree or disagree, as I often do, with RT, but it IS a fact that it gives a fairly accurate idea of what the critics´take is, and that is supposed, by all that is known of The Oscars, to be of high relevance for nomination. I never said one is a better measurement of film quality in general.

[Anita18]

everyone says comic book films are frowned upon by the oscars. but im not quite convinced thats true.
It is true. TDK got PGA, DGA, WGA noms, and one individual SAG nomination. And then it got shafted for all three when it came to the Oscars, for a movie with no guild support aside from one individual SAG. The bias is absolutely clear.

Unless Watchmen turns out to be stronger in the precursors than TDK. Which means, all of the guilds (with a SAG ensemble nom), Golden Globe nomination, and BAFTA nomination, and THEN was shafted at the Oscars. Then I guess we can say with 110% certainty that they don't like superhero movies. :funny:

Now it's just 99.99999999%. :oldrazz:

[Boom]

Saying "Sh**" is strong langauge? :huh:

A pair of boobs, some butts, and a blurry blue wang count as strong sexuality? :huh:
From Watchmen.Com:

Rated R for Strong Graphic Violence, Sexuality, Nudity, and Language.

[ultimatefan]

i havent seen the reader, so i cant pass any sort of judgement on it. hell, i never even saw a trailer for it, ha. but on its own, i didnt feel TDK was best picture material. so, to me, whether or not the reader deserved it is an entirely separate issue and has no effect on TDK's non-nomination.

I did. And so did the Writers Guild Of America, the Directors Guild of America, the American Film Institute, Roger Ebert, Richard Roeper, Peter Travers, etc. To each their own, which movie is Oscar material for you is your issue and doesn´t concern me, but me or Batman fanboys in general are far from being the only ones who think it was on that level.

[JaD]

It is true. TDK got PGA, DGA, WGA noms, and one individual SAG nomination. And then it got shafted for all three when it came to the Oscars, for a movie with no guild support aside from one individual SAG. The bias is absolutely clear.

Unless Watchmen turns out to be stronger in the precursors than TDK. Which means, all of the guilds (with a SAG ensemble nom), Golden Globe nomination, and BAFTA nomination, and THEN was shafted at the Oscars. Then I guess we can say with 110% certainty that they don't like superhero movies. :funny:

Now it's just 99.99999999%. :oldrazz:I'm siding with Anita *puts fist up*

This will be us outside Harvey Weinstein's house come February...http://i706.photobucket.com/albums/ww70/soul4real51287/tdk-warrior.gif

I'm still just trying to say positive about Heath's nomination and the others as well.

[Motown Marvel]

It is true. TDK got PGA, DGA, WGA noms, and one individual SAG nomination. And then it got shafted for all three when it came to the Oscars, for a movie with no guild support aside from one individual SAG. The bias is absolutely clear.

Unless Watchmen turns out to be stronger in the precursors than TDK. Which means, all of the guilds (with a SAG ensemble nom), Golden Globe nomination, and BAFTA nomination, and THEN was shafted at the Oscars. Then I guess we can say with 110% certainty that they don't like superhero movies. :funny:

Now it's just 99.99999999%. :oldrazz:

so, the academy exercised its secret conspiracy agenda against comic book films by nominating TDK for 8 oscars, making it one of the top 5 academy nominated films of the season?

[Anita18]

I'm still just trying to say positive about Heath's nomination and the others as well.
Heath agrees. We must Ledgerbrate! :grin:

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd87/sugarfiend06/bhem8h.gif

[Boom]

Actually, he's probably up there screaming "****!!"

[Captain Planet!]

From Watchmen.Com:
That means Strong Graphic Violence, Sexuality, Nudity and Langauge. If they were all strong and graphic and such it would be listed as

Strong Graphic Violence, Strong Sexuality, Graphic Nudity, and Strong Language.


I think.

[terry78]

I guess in a sense TDK should've been a lock since the academy tends to favor dark, morbid downer movies, but Watchmen should hit that note next year, if it's done correctly. I predict that will be the comic book flick that upsets this whole mindset.

[Anita18]

Kris Tapley emailed Wally Pfister, and here's what he had to say:

I am so thrilled to be honored for my work on a “The Dark Knight” and pleased that the work is appreciated by Academy members. I am, however, disappointed that Chris Nolan, and the film in general seemed to have been overlooked [in the major categories]. The whole world knows what great artistry was involved in the direction, writing and presentation of the film, and none of what I was able to achieve would have been possible without the extraordinary vision of Chris Nolan.

http://www.incontention.com/?p=4152

Like Jonah, he's disappointed more in the BD snub than BP.

[ultimatefan]

so, the academy exercised its secret conspiracy agenda against comic book films by nominating TDK for 8 oscars, making it one of the top 5 academy nominated films of the season?

I´d say it was more the case of Harvey Weinstein afraid for the increasingly diminishing returns of his films and lobbying harder than ever for his usual Oscar bait material, as was well-portrayed in a recent NY Post article, by a journalist who claims to not even be a big fan of TDK.

But you´re right on one thing: considering this and all the other accolades it received, no comic book movie got CLOSER to the major Oscar nominations than TDK did, and no one got AS MANY nominations. And these are facts, not bias, fanboy or any kind.

[Captain Planet!]

Anybody going to the watch the SAGs tonight?

[JaD]

Heath agrees. We must Ledgerbrate! :grin:

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd87/sugarfiend06/bhem8h.gifIndeedy! http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/JAD51287/Heath/gifs/heath-knightspin_jd-11n.gif

[Boom]

Of course.

[JaD]

That means Strong Graphic Violence, Sexuality, Nudity and Langauge. If they were all strong and graphic and such it would be listed as

Strong Graphic Violence, Strong Sexuality, Graphic Nudity, and Strong Language.


I think.You think...:lmao:

[Anita18]

The lulz never end....

Once everyone finished grousing yesterday about how the elderly motion picture academy stiffed "The Dark Knight," the incredibly successful and well-reviewed Hollywood blockbuster that seems to only appeal to non-academy members--in other words, people under the age of 55--attention turned to a more pressing, schadenfreude-style area of concern: How was Scott Rudin handling the news that the two movies he produced, "Revolutionary Road" and "Doubt," failed to get best picture nods, while "The Reader," the one movie he removed his name from, ended up as a surprise best picture nominee?

As one studio chief I spoke to yesterday put it: "Wouldn't you love to have been a fly on the wall in Rudin's office when the nominations were announced? That must've been quite a scene." All I can say is, given Rudin's propensity for hurling objects when upset, I hope flies can duck.

:lmao:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/the_big_picture/2009/01/no-oscar-for-sc.html

[Boom]

ROFLcopter.

[byte19]

so, the academy exercised its secret conspiracy agenda against comic book films by nominating TDK for 8 oscars, making it one of the top 5 academy nominated films of the season?
yeah, actually.... with the exception of Heath's nod, they gave technical accolades to a film. not a superhero film. just happens to be excluding iron man and wanted, that's all it is, a film. iron man and wanted got their token nods, because they were comic book action flicks, something the academy took a while to admit, seeing how it too was just a film many years ago....

and the last time a film opened in the spring and still had legs to win? Silence of the Lambs, released in February... nothing else comes close..

[weezerspider]

I've actually agreed with the Academy the last 4 of the last 5 years, but this was ********. I would say TDK was the best film of '08. Was Gran Tarino eligible for this year's awards because it was released selectively in 08 or does it have to wait 'til next year because that was the only movie I saw in 08 that I felt was better than the TDK.

[The Chris]

dark knight won stunt ensemble for anyone who wants to know.

http://movies.yahoo.com/news/movies.ap.org/dark-knight-wins-stunt-prize-sag-awards-ap

[Captain Planet!]

The SAGs aren't live? :huh:


EDIT: Oh wait, I just read the article. Why would they announce the winners before the ceremony? :huh::dry:

[RakuMon]

The stunt awards are pre-ceremony. They're not high profile enough to broadcast, I suppose.

[redfirebird2008]

The SAGs aren't live? :huh:


EDIT: Oh wait, I just read the article. Why would they announce the winners before the ceremony? :huh::dry:

Probably because they won't have those as part of the TV broadcast.

Meanwhile, does anyone have any idea when the supporting actor one is given out? I don't feel like watching the entire show.

[cansi]

for those who doesnt have tnt or tbs, the show can be seen here http://www.justin.tv/nautillus

[Anita18]

I've actually agreed with the Academy the last 4 of the last 5 years, but this was ********. I would say TDK was the best film of '08. Was Gran Tarino eligible for this year's awards because it was released selectively in 08 or does it have to wait 'til next year because that was the only movie I saw in 08 that I felt was better than the TDK.
Gran Torino was. I guess the Clint Eastwood pull didn't work as well as it did when Letters of Iwo Jima got in over Dreamgirls. :funny:

I actually have no interest in seeing Gran Torino. The non-Clint actors look absolutely terrible in the trailer, and if there's anything that takes me out of a movie, it's bad acting.

[weezerspider]

Gran Torino was. I guess the Clint Eastwood pull didn't work as well as it did when Letters of Iwo Jima got in over Dreamgirls. :funny:

I actually have no interest in seeing Gran Torino. The non-Clint actors look absolutely terrible in the trailer, and if there's anything that takes me out of a movie, it's bad acting.

The main kid is pretty good. The kid and Eastwood are the only ones in the film enough where acting would be annoying, but yes, the acting isn't great, but I loved the story.

[BLACK-SPIDEY]

for those who doesnt have tnt or tbs, the show can be seen here http://www.justin.tv/nautillus

why is it in spanish?

[redfirebird2008]

Ledger's Joker was included in their "Trailblazers" video montage. It included mostly old stuff, such as the Wizard of Oz, Brando, Karloff, etc. They used the clip where he says, "If you're good at something never do it for free."

[Kargo Warrior]

Best Supporting Actor is next

[redfirebird2008]

Kate Winslet is looking mighty fine tonight. Natural boobies, FTW!

[General Vulcun]

Hopefully Ledger wins, else rage will be had. :cmad:

[BLACK-SPIDEY]

Hopefully Ledger wins, else rage will be had. :cmad:
you said it my friend............you said it

[Motown Marvel]

yeah, actually.... with the exception of Heath's nod, they gave technical accolades to a film. not a superhero film. just happens to be excluding iron man and wanted, that's all it is, a film. iron man and wanted got their token nods, because they were comic book action flicks, something the academy took a while to admit, seeing how it too was just a film many years ago....

wait, what? :huh:

[redfirebird2008]

Best Supporting Actor is next

Looks like it wasn't up next. They're dragging it out on purpose.

[Kargo Warrior]

Yay!!

Hugh!!

[Kargo Warrior]

Looks like it wasn't up next. They're dragging it out on purpose.

Yeah bastards :woot:....but i'm waiting for Heath no mather what (it's 03 am here :woot:)

[byte19]

sorry mo, i forgot you don't speak crazed fan-boy speech...

[Etienne]

Looks like it wasn't up next. They're dragging it out on purpose.
Well yeah they have to rank in the ratings some how. :hehe:

[Etienne]

Woah who knew "Saving Grace" was still on?

[Etienne]

Gary Oldman is there.

[BLACK-SPIDEY]

(crosses fingers) supporting actor,supporting actor,supporting actor,supporting actor.....plz.....hey i just saw gary without the mustache lol

[byte19]

(crosses fingers) supporting actor,supporting actor,supporting actor,supporting actor.....plz.....hey i just saw gary without the mustache lol

ha ha!

[Motown Marvel]

sorry mo, i forgot you don't speak crazed fan-boy speech...

hey, im just looking to understand what your trying to say so i can respond accordingly. maybe im not just reading it right. if you want to re-phrase it, cool. if not, thats fine.

[ShadowBoxing]

And that would be because Reader is possibly the worst-reviewed BP nominee in recent history, whereas the Wrestler has gotten nothing but praise (and it is indeed a phenomenal movie, saw it last night).

Both TDK and Wrestler got snubbed.
To be fair, I'd say The Reader snubbed The Wrestler, not The Dark Knight. The Wrestler makes TDK look like Santa Claus Versus the Martians

[General Vulcun]

I'd say Reader snubbed TDK, and Frost/Nixon snubbed The Wrestler.

[ShadowBoxing]

I'd say Reader snubbed TDK, and Frost/Nixon snubbed The Wrestler.
Well if you only dropped one movie from that list, i.e. The Reader than the one more deserving of a nomination is The Wrestler. I saw that last night and it was easily the best movie I'd seen since the beginning of 2008.

[jmc]

Regardless of whom The Reader snubbed, that film just doesn't belong in that group of 5.

[ShadowBoxing]

Watch it win, lol

[General Vulcun]

If it wins, then I will raise hell...on the internet :(

[jmc]

Honestly, if it beats Slumdog, basically the one and only nominee that truly deserves it's place then there is no hope for The Academy any more.

[byte19]

i'm trying to say those 7 nods tdk has are now just nods for a film. a good film yes, but not a genre film, like wanted and iron man. even spiderman got nods for effect and stuff but that was because it made alot of money and was a genre film. i guess i'm saying.... if the Bourne Ultimatum and Golden Compass can beat Transformers in tech awards.... TDK's chances are that of nothing more than just A movie, not a genre movie or more specifically a superhero movie, no matter what we as fans of the movie think, it's just a movie.

[byte19]

awesome speech by Jones.... recognition finally deserved...

[General Vulcun]

Ugh, taking forever to get to Ledger...:(

[Hunter Rider]

Honestly, if it beats Slumdog, basically the one and only nominee that truly deserves it's place then there is no hope for The Academy any more.

So what would have been your 5 nominations ?

[Motown Marvel]

i'm trying to say those 7 nods tdk has are now just nods for a film. a good film yes, but not a genre film, like wanted and iron man. even spiderman got nods for effect and stuff but that was because it made alot of money and was a genre film. i guess i'm saying.... if the Bourne Ultimatum and Golden Compass can beat Transformers in tech awards.... TDK's chances are that of nothing more than just A movie, not a genre movie or more specifically a superhero movie, no matter what we an fans of the movie think, it's just a movie.

so now you're allowing the academy to define what type of movie the dark knight is? that doesnt make sense.

and people need to quit scoffing at the "technical awards". the only difference between the "technical awards" and "major awards" is how much the general population pays attention to them. but to be nominated for any award, be it best picture or best special effects, is extremely admirable and should not be diminished. being nominated for such things as best cinematography and editing are serious accolades, and in my opinion, just as impressive as best supporting actor. and if you cant recognize that, and if you're gonna be so self conscious about the film that you're now apparently allowing the academy to define what the film is to you, then thats your issue. not the academy.

[Anita18]

Kate Winslet is looking mighty fine tonight. Natural boobies, FTW!
Kate Winslet is one of those lucky women who seemingly become more beautiful when they get older. Rachel Weisz and Gillian Anderson are a few others.

Teri Hatcher isn't one of those lucky ones...:o

[redfirebird2008]

They're really dragging out Supporting Actor. Lame and shameless ratings grab.

[Anita18]

and people need to quit scoffing at the "technical awards". the only difference between the "technical awards" and "major awards" is how much the general population pays attention to them.
That part is true, but then it begs the question, why snub Nolan when he's the one directing the entire production, and they got 7 tech nominations?

[terry78]

They're really dragging out Supporting Actor. Lame and shameless ratings grab.

Don't be dissin' James Earl Jones lifetime achievement, now. :cmad:

[General Vulcun]

That part is true, but then it begs the question, why snub Nolan when he's the one directing the entire production, and they got 7 tech nominations?Don't forget about Heath. That performance certainly didn't direct itself.

[redfirebird2008]

Don't be dissin' James Earl Jones lifetime achievement, now. :cmad:

So you think Supporting Actor is more important than James Earl Jones' lifetime achievement award? I don't. That should have been given out last before the major awards.

[Anita18]

Don't forget about Heath. That performance certainly didn't direct itself.
Shush, nobody's claiming John Patrick Shanley was snubbed for Doubt. :funny:

[Kargo Warrior]

Here we go finally

[redfirebird2008]

Finally, here it is.

[BLACK-SPIDEY]

AND THE AWARD IS FOR.................HEATH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :woot: :woot:

[Motown Marvel]

That part is true, but then it begs the question, why snub Nolan when he's the one directing the entire production, and they got 7 tech nominations?

it'd be a matter of the parts being greater than the whole.

[Kargo Warrior]

Heath!!!

[Anita18]

Is Chris giving the speech? I wonder what he's gonna say this time....all of his speeches have been different, which is no mean feat since Heath keeps on winning! :funny:

[Punisher RULES]

Congrats Heath. Your winning streak continues.

[Kargo Warrior]

Another standing ovation...Gary is visibly emotional

[Great1]

No, Gary Oldman's accepting on his behalf

[Anita18]

it'd be a matter of the parts being greater than the whole.
What does that mean? If that were true, then fine, no Best Picture. But those tech guys didn't make it good all by their lonesome. :funny: Chris got them all together, encouraged them, then put it into the movie.

[Kargo Warrior]

Is Chris giving the speech? I wonder what he's gonna say this time....all of his speeches have been different, which is no mean feat since Heath keeps on winning! :funny:

Gary Oldman is.

[redfirebird2008]

Well that should seal the Oscar for him. The Actors Guild is the guild that cost TDK the nominations for Director and Best Picture. They make up the biggest percentage of the Academy by far.

[General Vulcun]

it'd be a matter of the parts being greater than the whole.And to most people, that was not the case. The great parts made up a great whole.

[Anita18]

Another standing ovation...Gary is visibly emotional
Awwww, Gary! :heart:

I don't have TNT, someone had better get this on YouTube, stat!

[Punisher RULES]

I hope Bale accepts for Heath at the Oscars.

[ShadowBoxing]

So what would have been your 5 nominations ?
(For 99% of people on this thread)

The Dark Knight
The Dark Knight
The Dark Knight
The Dark Knight
Iron Man (just so we can say The Dark Knight beat Iron Man:hehe:)


I keed, I keed

[philranger]

that was awesome!

[redfirebird2008]

I hope Bale accepts for Heath at the Oscars.

I hope it's his family. They are the ones who will be taking care of it for Matilda until she's old enough to have it.

[Crook]

Awwww, Gary! :heart:

I don't have TNT, someone had better get this on YouTube, stat!
It wasn't anything special. At first it seemed like he was gonna give some awesome speech because he took quite a while to even talk (he was visibly upset). But he said some pretty textbook stuff about Heath. It was really short. :o

[StylishHokie21]

That was a great speech from Oldman.:csad:

[byte19]

mo, suddenly you think i have disdain for the tech awards, how far from that statement i am. i'm a composer trying to gain notice like that Hans Zimmer, and Mark Isham. the last thing i want to do is dis the tech awards.... but if you remember, i was the one with the warning apparently 'trolling' cause i express much anger about snubs. now i'm the one saying whatever. that doesn't take away my anticipation for this movie winning every tech award. i want it to win. now being realistic and realizing Heath and maybe Wally will be the only winners? thats an issue you or anyone else need not worry about.
and of course the academy defines what a film is to me, it's my job to disagree or agree with it. that's why i have 1200 dvds to enjoy at home, and occasionally, we agree.

[philranger]

That was great speech from Oldman.:csad:

i agree. it was respectful. short, just the point. just as Heath would have wanted it.

[BlueLightning]

I missed it. Are they going to repeat it tomorrow?

[philranger]

I missed it. Are they going to repeat it tomorrow?

they probably will. at least they should clips and highlights on their wesbite

[Etienne]

I don't have TNT
Not even TBS? :(
I missed it. Are they going to repeat it tomorrow?
Right after this 10pm central time on TNT.

[Anita18]

Not even TBS? :(
Nope, I use rabbit ears now. :oldrazz:

[philranger]

sean penn is bugging me right now..... ( on the SAG awards, i mean)

[Pennyworth]

ah crap, missed Heath's award...I tuned in just in time to see Katie Holmes and her tic tacs, though. :cwink:

[philranger]

ah crap, missed Heath's award...I tuned in just in time to see Katie Holmes and her tic tacs, though. :cwink:
lol, yeah, what was that all about? it kinda scared me a little

[Kargo Warrior]

Slumdog Best Ensemble???

Joke of the year....i'm laughing my ass off

[Pennyworth]

lol, yeah, what was that all about? it kinda scared me a little

Well, I guess it was chilly in there...and I suppose there was no room for a bra? It was funny, cause it seemed the camera was pulling in tighter in hopes of cropping them out, but he never made it. Can't hide much in HD. :woot:

[philranger]

Slumdog Best Ensemble???

Joke of the year....i'm laughing my ass off

is it bad that i'm rooting for every other picture except Slumdog? (and the reader, of course)

[deathfromabove]

Well if you only dropped one movie from that list, i.e. The Reader than the one more deserving of a nomination is The Wrestler. I saw that last night and it was easily the best movie I'd seen since the beginning of 2008.

i also saw the wrestler last night and it was robbed.

who accepted the actor for heath?

[Etienne]

Nope, I use rabbit ears now. :oldrazz:
I used to do the same thing. I may get one of those DTV converters just in case. :hehe:

[philranger]

Well, I guess it was chilly in there...and I suppose there was no room for a bra? It was funny, cause it seemed the camera was pulling in tighter in hopes of cropping them out, but he never made it. Can't hide much in HD. :woot:

my wife kept repeating " god, they're uneven"

[Anita18]

Slumdog Best Ensemble???

Joke of the year....i'm laughing my ass off
For reals? :funny:

Who needs to watch the Oscars now? Slumdog's win is in the bag.

[FlawlessVictory]

Congrats Heath!

Slumdog Best Ensemble???

Joke of the year....i'm laughing my ass off

Ridiculous.

Well, now we know Slumdog and Heath are locks for the Oscars. Just got interesting for Best Actor.

[FlawlessVictory]

is it bad that i'm rooting for every other picture except Slumdog? (and the reader, of course)

Won't matter. Slumdog is an absolute lock.

[redfirebird2008]

Slumdog doesn't have one of the top 5 casts of the year, never mind winning best cast. They've turned an acting award into a Best Picture award. It's a shame.

[philranger]

okay, best case scenario now: Reader beats Slumdog for best pic and then the world will see once and for a ll what a sham the oscars have become

[Pennyworth]

my wife kept repeating " god, they're uneven"

:funny: I noticed that too, but didn't want to bring it up.

[Great1]

i also saw the wrestler last night and it was robbed.

who accepted the actor for heath?

Gary Oldman.

[The Chris]

I love Slumdog Millionaire, but it has no business winning best ensemble. That's stupid. the love for it is getting out of hand, and I love the damn movie. Best ensemble? are you nuts? I mean the least great aspect of it was probably the acting (not saying it's bad, it's just the directing and technical aspects are really great)

[byte19]

wow......

[Pennyworth]

They've turned an acting award into a Best Picture award. It's a shame.

exactly what I was thinking....kind of a joke.

[Etienne]

is it bad that i'm rooting for every other picture except Slumdog? (and the reader, of course)
Your a brave man. :hehe:

[FlawlessVictory]

Where's the logic? Didn't Slumdog just have one nominee? Milk had 2 and Doubt had 4! LOL.

Edit: And Milk and Doubt had individual winners.

[Kargo Warrior]

Slumdog doesn't have one of the top 5 casts of the year, never mind winning best cast. They've turned an acting award into a Best Picture award. It's a shame.

Objectivelly it's not even in the Top 10...not one single performance is memorable.

Patel?The Girl?The Host?Come on,it's ridiculous

If the movie had received terrible reviews(hypothetically) some of those perfomances(especially the girl) would be up for a Razzie not awards like these.

[byte19]

that's why i don't care any more Flaw!

[General Vulcun]

No, no, this is wrong...I was counting on the guilds to stay legit. :(

[byte19]

GV... just don't care no more. i'm now deaf to everything...

[redfirebird2008]

Objectivelly it's not even in the Top 10...not one single performance is memorable.

Patel?The Girl?The Host?Come on,it's ridiculous

If the movie had received terrible reviews(hypotethically) some of those perfomances(especially the girl) would be up for a Razzie not awards like these.

The host was a frickin' buffoon. And the brother was annoying as hell too. The girl came across pretty forced to me. Patel and the two child actors were the only good performances in the entire thing. It had no business being nominated for Best Ensemble. It'd be like if WALL-E was winning all of these Best Picture precursors so they then decide to give it Best Ensemble.

[FlawlessVictory]

that's why i don't care any more Flaw!

Yea, I hear ya. Well at least Heath won. So here's to Heath!! :yay:

[philranger]

Yea, I hear ya. Well at least Heath won. So here's to Heath!! :yay:

exactly! at least Heath is getting his just desserts! :grin:

[byte19]

to Heath! :)

[Anita18]

Objectivelly it's not even in the Top 10...not one single performance is memorable.

Patel?The Girl?The Host?Come on,it's ridiculous

If the movie had received terrible reviews(hypothetically) some of those perfomances(especially the girl) would be up for a Razzie not awards like these.
IMO, the youngest Jamal was certainly memorable. :grin:

"AMITAAAAAAAABH!!!!" :lmao:

No, no, this is wrong...I was counting on the guilds to stay legit. :(
Dude, months ago they fell under the spell of...Anwar from Skins!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/spazlola/351s9zr.gif

There is no more hope. :hehe:

[Boom]

I screamed when Gary Oldman accepted for Heath.

[Nina7]

Just chiming in with my disgust over the ensemble acting award going to Slumdog. I mean, really? The acting was the worst part of the movie(the little kids were cute though). Any of the other movies(except Curious Case of BB) would have been a worthier choice. Slumdog is a lock for Best Picture. How very dull.

[byte19]

kinda like Kermit boom?

[General Vulcun]

Doubt should have won.

[Boom]

Yes. When people were speculating who would receive awards on Ledger's behalf, I wanted Gary Oldman to do it. I really enjoyed him talking about Heath in TDK interviews.

It was a heartwarming speech. Short and sweet :up:.

[Motown Marvel]

What does that mean? If that were true, then fine, no Best Picture. But those tech guys didn't make it good all by their lonesome. :funny: Chris got them all together, encouraged them, then put it into the movie.

what does it mean? imagine a band, each member a great musician in their own right, but together as a band the music doesnt quite transcend their individual quality.

and yes, nolan gave guys like wally pfister direction, but it's wally's talent as a cinematographer that made the cinematography possible and stand out. the award is for best cinematographer, not best directed cinematographer.

And to most people, that was not the case. The great parts made up a great whole.

i understand that. and its all opinions. and it would appear the academy's opinion differs from others opinions. and its not even like the academy is saying "the whole" isnt great....just not best picture worthy.

mo, suddenly you think i have disdain for the tech awards, how far from that statement i am. i'm a composer trying to gain notice like that Hans Zimmer, and Mark Isham. the last thing i want to do is dis the tech awards.... but if you remember, i was the one with the warning apparently 'trolling' cause i express much anger about snubs. now i'm the one saying whatever. that doesn't take away my anticipation for this movie winning every tech award. i want it to win. now being realistic and realizing Heath and maybe Wally will be the only winners? thats an issue you or anyone else need not worry about.
and of course the academy defines what a film is to me, it's my job to disagree or agree with it. that's why i have 1200 dvds to enjoy at home, and occasionally, we agree.
my remark about the technical achievements being diminished was more a general remark, not so much directed specifically at you.

and its sad to let the academy to define this or any movie for you. that just doesnt make sense.

[Kargo Warrior]

The host was a frickin' buffoon. And the brother was annoying as hell too. The girl came across pretty forced to me. Patel and the two child actors were the only good performances in the entire thing. It had no business being nominated for Best Ensemble. It'd be like if WALL-E was winning all of these Best Picture precursors so they then decide to give it Best Ensemble.

That would've been funny as hell :woot::woot:

But in all seriousness,i accept these atrocities a lot better when TDK is not nominated and Heath sweeps everything so there's no need for anxiety there.

I mean how can someone with a straight face conclude that some unknown Indian actors are better than the casts of Milk,Doubt,TDK,The Wrestler,etc...is beyond me.

I can see it winning best picture,its subjective,bla,bla,bla...but this?

I'm actually thinking Transformers was robbed last year for the same award...no doubt that Shia and Megan Fox>>>Patel and the Indian girl :woot::woot::woot:

[Boom]

I'm genuinely shocked SM won Best Ensemble. It had ONE acting nomination, and even that was being extremely generous on the Screen Actors Guild's part.

Milk had 2 acting nominations for two powerful performances.
Doubt had 4 acting nominations for two powerful performance.

That's just flat-out ridiculous.

[Anita18]

what does it mean? imagine a band, each member a great musician in their own right, but together as a band the music doesnt quite transcend their individual quality.

and yes, nolan gave guys like wally pfister direction, but it's wally's talent as a cinematographer that made the cinematography possible and stand out. the award is for best cinematographer, not best directed cinematographer.
Yeah, but if the band sucked, nobody would pay enough attention to determine that each musician was great in their own right. :oldrazz:

And every one of the crew states how involved Nolan is in the production. The man has never even used a second unit. So your argument isn't the case, in this situation.

[redfirebird2008]

That would've been funny as hell :woot::woot:

But in all seriousness,i accept these atrocities a lot better when TDK is not nominated and Heath sweeps everything so there's no need for anxiety there.

I mean how can someone with a straight face conclude that some unknown Indian actors are better than the casts of Milk,Doubt,TDK,The Wrestler,etc...is beyond me.

I can see it winning best picture,its subjective,bla,bla,bla...but this?

I'm actually thinking Transformers was robbed last year for the same award...no doubt that Shia and Megan Fox>>>Patel and the Indian girl :woot::woot::woot:

Any time I hear snobs claiming that Ledger is only getting nominated (never mind winning) these awards because he's dead, I then point to Dev Patel getting nominated for the same awards. He was good, but far from great. I'll take Oldman and Eckhart from TDK over him any day of the week as far as supporting performances this year are concerned. A person has to be one huge douche bag to have a problem with Ledger getting nominated but no problem with Patel getting all this praise. Talk about hypocrisy.

[The Chris]

This oscar season sure turned into a joke real fast, and that's a damn shame. the contenders I saw were really good.

[FlawlessVictory]

I'm genuinely shocked SM won Best Ensemble. It had ONE acting nomination, and even that was being extremely generous on the Screen Actors Guild's part.

Milk had 2 acting nominations for two powerful performances.
Doubt had 2 acting nominations for two powerful performance.

That's just flat-out ridiculous.

And Doubt had a total of 4 acting nominations.

[JaD]

Heath!!!:woot:http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/JAD51287/Heath/gifs/heath-slide-7n.gif

[Anita18]

I'm actually thinking Transformers was robbed last year for the same award...no doubt that Shia and Megan Fox>>>Patel and the Indian girl :woot::woot::woot:
At least Dev Patel and Freida Pinto are tremendously likable. :oldrazz: Sorry, can't say the same for Shia or Megan. :o

The entire Slumdog crew is adorable when they win, but it'll get old if they don't stop the "We're the underdogs!" schpiel. Yes, WB were about to relegate you straight to DVD, but you haven't been the underdogs since the Toronto Film Festival. :oldrazz:

[FlawlessVictory]

At least Dev Patel and Freida Pinto are tremendously likable. :oldrazz: Sorry, can't say the same for Shia or Megan.:o


I think a lot of men would disagree with you on Megan. :hehe:

[philranger]

The entire Slumdog crew is adorable when they win, but it'll get old if they don't stop the "We're the underdogs!" schpiel. Yes, WB were about to relegate you straight to DVD, but you haven't been the underdogs since the Toronto Film Festival. :oldrazz:

too late. it's already gotten old

[philranger]

I think a lot of men would disagree with you on Megan. :hehe:

hotness level decreases when you date Brian austin green! ( just kidding. i'm just jealous is all)

[WVsax27]

I think they confused best action ensemble with "which movie we liked best." Doubt should have won.

Sean Penn's speech pissed me off, but he does most of the time

[philranger]

Sean Penn's speech pissed me off, but he does most of the time

yea, i agree with you. he gets politcal and then goes off and tangeants. i do give him props for mentioning Del Toro. but other then that, its like " shut up already! you're an actor! i don't care about your political views!"

[Boom]

And Doubt had a total of 4 acting nominations.
You're right. *Edits post*

But seriously. Doubt had:

A Best Leading Actor nomination.
A Best Leading Actress nominations.
And two Best Supporting Actress nominations.

What a ****ing joke.

[JP]

:whatever:

[philranger]

Anyway, duh. Of course SM was going to win.

yeah, but for best acting ensemble????

[FlawlessVictory]

LOL, I enjoy straight males being baffled by awards season. It tickles me.

Anyway, duh. Of course SM was going to win.

Yea, duh! You guys are so dumb.

Slumdog had one nominee and no individual wins.
Doubt had 4 nominees and one individual win.
Milk had 2 nominees and one individual win.

Of course Slumdog would win you idiots!! :whatever:

[WVsax27]

I didn't think Slumdog would win, because the SAGs do have a past history of going with the best ensemble instead of the best picture winner. Which isn't what they did here.

[JP]

Yea, duh! You guys are so dumb.

Slumdog had one nominee and no individual wins.
Doubt had 4 nominees and one individual win.
Milk had 2 nominees and one individual win.

Of course Slumdog would win you idiots!! :whatever:

I'm sorry, but the ONLY shocking thing that has happened this awards season is Downey Jr.'s oscar nom. Everything else has been pretty predictable. . .

Just like every year.

[Etienne]

Sean Penn's speech pissed me off, but he does most of the time
What did he say?

[DarKJediKnight]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v400/Image_User/oscars.gif

[WVsax27]

I'm sorry, but the ONLY shocking thing that has happened this awards season is Downey Jr.'s oscar nom. Everything else has been pretty predictable. . .



That was one of the most expect nominations. Michael Shannon, Melissa Leo, and Richard Jenkins were all more unexpected than that.

[Motown Marvel]

Yeah, but if the band sucked, nobody would pay enough attention to determine that each musician was great in their own right. :oldrazz:

And every one of the crew states how involved Nolan is in the production. The man has never even used a second unit. So your argument isn't the case, in this situation.
its not that he band sucks. the band can be great. but that doesnt mean the band as a whole is better than the musicians individually.

the fact that nolan is involved in the production and doesnt use a second unit has nothing to do with the fact that its wally's talent as a cinematographer that made the cinematography stand out. nolan had a vision for the film which wally used as a guide to do what nolan hired him to do, thats a cinematographer's job. but its wally's talent that made the vision a reality. and that is what teh academy is honoring. to say otherwise would be offensive to wally's talent.

[WVsax27]

LOL, I enjoy straight males being baffled by awards season. It tickles me.

I enjoy ignorant stereotypes!

[magicangel1989]

i just watched the SAG awards. Touching tribute for Heath by Gary Oldman. Great man. By the way, did anyone notice Pat Hingle's name and pictures in the memorial? I did not even know he died.:csad:

[philranger]

i just watched the SAG awards. Touching tribute for Heath by Gary Oldman. Great man. By the way, did anyone notice Pat Hingle's name and pictures in the memorial? I did not even know he died.:csad:

i remember hearing he died. it wasn't all that long ago. its too bad they showed a clip from Batman And Robin. Better to show him from the original 89 Batman.

[byte19]

so mo you don't disagree with academy at all? every pick was yours is what you're saying...

[byte19]

Anita, i get what ya saying bout band better than the sum of their parts...best example: The Beatles.

[Motown Marvel]

so mo you don't disagree with academy at all? every pick was yours is what you're saying...

thats not what im saying at all. i've stated many times in this thread that like every institution, the academy is not flawless. it has its fault and its made its mistakes and its made decisions that i personally do not agree with. but im only talking about TDK's non-nomination for best picture. and i do not disagree with it.

Anita, i get what ya saying bout band better than the sum of their parts...best example: The Beatles.

theres a million bands this is true with. i mean, thats the objective of a band: great musicians coming together as individuals to create an even greater single identity, a single entity. the beatles, being the greatest band of all time, are clearly the epitome of this. but you can also take a band like the travelling wilburys. this is a band featuring bob dylan, roy orbison, george harrison, jeff lynn, and tom petty. all phenominal and greatly respectable musicians in their own right (tom petty is debatable though, ha). but as a band, while they were good, it clearly wasnt a single identity that was greater than its individual parts.

[Captain Planet!]

I'm sorry, but the ONLY shocking thing that has happened this awards season is Downey Jr.'s oscar nom. Everything else has been pretty predictable. . .

Just like every year.
The Reader getting nominated for BP over The Wrestler, Doubt, WALL-E, or The Dark Knight was predictable? Stephen Daldry getting nominated for BD was predictable? Bruce Springsteen not getting nominated for "The Wrestler" was predictable? Mickey Rourke, Yeah, MICKEY ROURKE being pretty much the front runner for Best Actor was predictable? Slumdog Millionaire getting almost all of the major awards was predictable two months ago?

[Etienne]

I was watching E! this morning and they discussed the snub, as it were, and Ben Lyons said he was disappointed that it didn't get a nod for best pic/director, and the chick that was hosting was like, "yeah, my little kids are too." Haha.
On the show they were acting all shocked that Leo DiCaprio didn't get nominated for Best Actor. I was like, ":huh:". He was never a front-runner.
I'm still (:huh: WTF) about Lyons saying Ben Button "is going to win BP because it made a lot of money at the box office."

[WVsax27]

The Reader getting nominated for BP over The Wrestler, Doubt, WALL-E, or The Dark Knight was predictable? Stephen Daldry getting nominated for BD was predictable?

While I disagree that everything has been predictable, this one really was more of the more predictable things to happen. The Wrestler had no chance at nomination, and Wall-E was an outside shot. I saw as many people picking TDK as The Reader.

Oh, and Ben Lyons is a moron. He thought Nikki Blonsky was going to win best actress Musical/Comedy over Marion Cotillard and Ellen Page last year. Check out http://www.stopbenlyons.com/

[byte19]

well that's it then. see ya next month...

[Prison Mike]

Glad Slumdog won. Glad Heath won!

[byte19]

mike... are you really in prison? and if so... where? Bangladesh?

[Steelsheen]

i just watched the SAG awards. Touching tribute for Heath by Gary Oldman. Great man. By the way, did anyone notice Pat Hingle's name and pictures in the memorial? I did not even know he died.:csad:

been pretty busy, completely forgot about the SAGs playing tonight. just read on CNN that Winslet won for Best Supporting Actress and that Ledger won Best Supporting Actor.

anybody managed to record Gary Oldman's acceptance speech in behalf of Ledger?

and incidentally, is Bale a SAG member? i understand why its not Nolan who accepted the award (he's a director) and i sure aint complainin that its the fine Mr Oldman who accepted at the SAGs, but i was just wondering what else Mr Bale doesnt do compared with most actors (like having a publicist for instance)

[Prison Mike]

mike... are you really in prison? and if so... where? Bangladesh?

in guantanamo...:oldrazz:

[byte19]

*giggles*

[JP]

The Reader getting nominated for BP over The Wrestler, Doubt, WALL-E, or The Dark Knight was predictable? Stephen Daldry getting nominated for BD was predictable? Bruce Springsteen not getting nominated for "The Wrestler" was predictable? Mickey Rourke, Yeah, MICKEY ROURKE being pretty much the front runner for Best Actor was predictable? Slumdog Millionaire getting almost all of the major awards was predictable two months ago?
I'm saying, when you fallow all these movies, and their buzz, and pretty much all awards season coverage, you kinda just know how it's going to play out.

I've been watching this stuff for 15 years. It's pretty much my Super Bowl.

[Ferd]

Thought these pics were nice from tonight's SAG awards:

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/ferdalump/darkknight/610x.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/ferdalump/darkknight/87404f9a.jpg

[philranger]

Thought these pics were nice from tonight's SAG awards:

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/ferdalump/darkknight/610x.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/ferdalump/darkknight/87404f9a.jpg

very awesome!
kristin scott thomas looks bored and/or insulted....

[Hunter Rider]

Thought these pics were nice from tonight's SAG awards:



http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/ferdalump/darkknight/87404f9a.jpg

That's a great pic.

[WVsax27]

I'm saying, when you fallow all these movies, and their buzz, and pretty much all awards season coverage, you kinda just know how it's going to play out.

I've been watching this stuff for 15 years. It's pretty much my Super Bowl.

Yep, and I guess stupid little straight men like me don't do that do they? Oh, that's right, I do :whatever:

If you were really shocked by RDJ getting a nomination, I don't think you were really paying that much attention this year.

[JP]

Yep, and I guess stupid little straight men like me don't do that do they? Oh, that's right, I do :whatever:
Uh, okay. . . :huh:

[WVsax27]

Uh, okay. . . :huh:

you were the one who made the stupid comment

LOL, I enjoy straight males being baffled by awards season. It tickles me.

And yes, that was stupid. If I had made a negative comment directed at homosexual men I'd be bashed, and rightly so. It works both ways.

[Cory]

children...please...

:hehe:

[JP]

That was kind of a joke, but I apologize if it offended anyone. I'd edit my post.

[batman11]

That was kind of a joke, but I apologize if it offended anyone. I'd edit my post.

...if you were a nicer person? ...if you weren't so lazy? :huh:

You left that one kind of open-ended. ;)

LOL j/k :woot:

[JP]

I meant to say I'LL.. which I did. :(

LOL.

[batman11]

Hehehe ;)

It was just something that clicked in my head. Reminds me of those infomercials that always shout at you with question marks attached to every word.

[jmc]

So what would have been your 5 nominations ?

Slumdog, TDK, The Wrestler, WALL-E and probably Button (although that last one is more for technical merit).