The Economy Thread

[Mr. Green]

Can you imagine a debate between those two, with O'Reilly as the moderator....lmao.
Yeah, it would be crazy! They would actually answer the questions asked as opposed to lying and/or bulls***ing their way around the question altogether. :wow:

[SuBe]

I love how the Republicans are going to have a field day with Dodd in 2010.
They won't. By the time the Elections are here, people won't remember it and Dodd will just have a Commercial saying "That Republican will take away your right to FREE healthcare! Vote Dodd this November!"

[The Senator]

:huh:

How is taking troops out of Iraq an extreme view? The vast majority of this country is against the war in Iraq.

How is opposing warrantless wiretapping of our phones extreme? Isn't it more extreme to support that type of thing?

How is obeying the constitution extreme? Isn't that what politicians pledge to do in the first place?

Sure, supporters of each politician want considerable change, but our government's actions RIGHT NOW are extreme and unrestrained. I think considerable change is needed.

If Ron Paul really believed in following the Constitution, then why would he have voted to keep "Under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance or claim his support for prayer in public school?

If Ron Paul really opposed the military industrial complex and interventionism, then why did he vote to send our troops to Afghanistan?

[The Senator]

They won't. By the time the Elections are here, people won't remember it and Dodd will just have a Commercial saying "That Republican will take away your right to FREE healthcare! Vote Dodd this November!"

Or maybe Simmons will screw himself over like he did in 2006 by running outlandish ads that confuse and annoy voters in Connecticut?

[hippie_hunter]

I was mocking how nearly every single Paul supporter thinks that the government is conspiring against its citizens, actually. It is interesting how every time someone supports a governmental policy, it is only because the government is releasing propaganda to make it seem like that is so. Never mind the fact that people are independently able to make their own decisions.

However, I would say that Paul's supporters are actually worse than most of Obama's most blind fanatics, given their susceptibility to inane, unproven conspiracy theories they take as 100% truth...

I'm a Paul supporter. I voted for him in the primary. I bought The Revolution and found it to be a very interesting read.

I'm just not extreme with my support. I see that there is a need sometimes for government intervention and whatnot.

[The Senator]

There are some Paul supporters who are sane, rational people. But very few of them are.

[hippie_hunter]

They won't. By the time the Elections are here, people won't remember it and Dodd will just have a Commercial saying "That Republican will take away your right to FREE healthcare! Vote Dodd this November!"

I'm pretty sure that Republicans will make Connecticut voters remember his ties to Countrywide, his resistance to reforming Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, giving bonuses to AIG, and getting a lot of campaign money from AIG, Fannie Mae, and Freddie Mac.

Seriously, it's like Dodd is running some kind of bizarro campaign.

[SuBe]

I'm pretty sure that Republicans will make Connecticut voters remember his ties to Countrywide, his resistance to reforming Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, giving bonuses to AIG, and getting a lot of campaign money from AIG, Fannie Mae, and Freddie Mac.
The Average American voter is easy to appease. You could do anything, and as soon as you wave a little Government Confiscated cash at them, the Vote is yours.

[Kelly]

I'm pretty sure that Republicans will make Connecticut voters remember his ties to Countrywide, his resistance to reforming Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, giving bonuses to AIG, and getting a lot of campaign money from AIG, Fannie Mae, and Freddie Mac.

Seriously, it's like Dodd is running some kind of bizarro campaign.

I can only imagine the commercials from each....

[SuBe]

They will both be "I hate you just a little less than that guy"

But, a little more graceful.

[hippie_hunter]

The Average American voter is easy to appease. You could do anything, and as soon as you wave a little Government Confiscated cash at them, the Vote is yours.

I don't think it'll be that easy for Dodd.

You can essentially blame him for the Housing Crisis with Countrywide, the Financial Crisis with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, being out of touch and wasting government money with AIG, and being a total doucher for the money he's accepted. These are very severe charges.

I mean, all the Republicans have to do is what the Democrats did in Alaska. Not screw up and barely manage to win in a state where a Republican should never win a Senate seat :oldrazz:

[SuBe]

I say, call mulligans. We need a do over. Fire all of them, and start over. :)

[The Senator]

I think Simmons has an uphill battle to defeat Dodd. While Dodd has annoyed voters in Connecticut, Simmons doesn't have that great of a track record, either. He lost his re-election bid in 2006 by 83 votes, in a district which re-elected him by double digits two years before. You have two outcasts voters from both sides of the aisle have come to loathe in recent years running for this seat. Anything can happen.

[Mr. Green]

There are some Paul supporters who are sane, rational people. But very few of them are.
This is simply an ignorant statement. Most Ron Paul supporters are INSANE? Have you actually met any?
If Ron Paul really believed in following the Constitution, then why would he have voted to keep "Under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance or claim his support for prayer in public school?
Because there's something called freedom of speech, for the "under God" thing.

And second, there's freedom of religion. I should be able to pray to the God of my choice whenever and wherever I want. I don't think it's the place of the federal government to tell me I can't pray just because I'm at school.
If Ron Paul really opposed the military industrial complex and interventionism, then why did he vote to send our troops to Afghanistan?
He voted to pursue the terrorists who perpetrated the attack on 9-11. There is nothing interventionist about retaliating against an attack on the country.

Interventionism is when you do something like the US government did in 1953 when American and British intelligence worked together to overthrow Minister Muhammad Mossadegh's popularly elected government, replacing him with a politically reliable but oppressive shah.

Big difference.

[The Senator]

This is simply an ignorant statement. Most Ron Paul supporters are INSANE? Have you actually met any?

Yes, actually, and most of them support him because either 1) they want certain drug laws repealed, or 2) they take his word about upholding the Constitution without actually looking at his record. Again, they are blinded by his bull ****.


Because there's something called freedom of speech, for the "under God" thing.

Interesting that you say that, considering Ron Paul wants to eliminate the ability of non-Judeo-Christians to think for themselves by instituting prayer in public schools and displaying the Ten Commandments outside Courthouses.


And second, there's freedom of religion. I should be able to pray to the God of my choice whenever and wherever I want. I don't think it's the place of the federal government to tell me I can't pray just because I'm at school.

And an atheist shouldn't be told that it's time to pray in school when he or she doesn't believe in any sort of omnipotent presence.


He voted to pursue the terrorists who perpetrated the attack on 9-11. There is nothing interventionist about retaliating against an attack on the country.

Now you are playing semantics. Al Qaeda attacked the United States, not Afghanistan. If Ron Paul really held true to the beliefs he flaunts on a regular basis, than he would not have voted to attack a country in response to 9/11. He would have supported bringing down Al Qaeda, but not the invasion of an entire country.


Interventionism is when you do something like the US government did in 1953 when American and British intelligence worked together to overthrow Minister Muhammad Mossadegh's popularly elected government, replacing him with a politically reliable but oppressive shah.

Big difference.

You mean like how we went into Afghanistan and toppled the Taliban? A government we didn't agree with because it had a history of supporting terrorism?

[Kelly]

Yes, actually, and most of them support him because either 1) they want certain drug laws repealed, or 2) they take his word about upholding the Constitution without actually looking at his record. Again, they are blinded by his bull ****. I have no idea how many are actual insane, and how many aren't. I'm not a psychologist, but I'm sure as all politicians he has his fair share of insane people following him.

Interesting that you say that, considering Ron Paul wants to eliminate the ability of non-Judeo-Christians to think for themselves by instituting prayer in public schools and displaying the Ten Commandments outside Courthouses.

Prayer is still in school, it was never taken out. I'm not sure where people get that. Any of my students at anytime can pray if they want. "I" and other school employees simply can't lead them in prayer. Most schools now have a "moment of silence" and kiddos and teachers can choose how they want to use that minute. If you want to pick your nose, more power to ya.

And an atheist shouldn't be told that it's time to pray in school when he or she doesn't believe in any sort of omnipotent presence. I'll just point to my post above.

Now you are playing semantics. Al Qaeda attacked the United States, not Afghanistan. If Ron Paul really held true to the beliefs he flaunts on a regular basis, than he would not have voted to attack a country in response to 9/11. He would have supported bringing down Al Qaeda, but not the invasion of an entire country. Do you think that the Taliban government would have allowed us to come into their country to look for Al Qaeda? Do you think they would have helped us? I wonder if those young ladies that were not allowed to go to school, shot in the head at the soccer field like a football game because they showed too much of their skin, or their husband felt like she embarrassed him....I wonder if they were unhappy about the Taliban government being toppled. Where I think we screwed up, was putting all of our money in Iraq and FORGETTING about Afghanistan. THAT is where we screwed up.

You mean like how we went into Afghanistan and toppled the Taliban? A government we didn't agree with because it had a history of supporting terrorism?

Throughout history we have had trouble figuring out who our actual enemy is....

[Kelly]

I love this: After we bailed out AIG, they sued the US Government for overpayment of taxes for 306 million dollars. So since we own, 80% equity in AIG, we are now sueing ourselves? LMAO.....this is crazy.

[hippie_hunter]

Dear AIG,

Go **** yourselves.

Love,
hippie_hunter

[The Senator]

Bill Maher had a good monologue tonight about how the executives at AIG are comparable to Paris Hilton and the contestants on "America's Next Top Model." Hopefully it will be on YouTube soon.

[Kelly]

Dear AIG,

Go **** yourselves.

Love,
hippie_hunter


Well, um, since we own 80% equity in AIG, aren't we kinda doing that to ourselves?

[Marx]

Dear AIG,

Go **** yourselves.

Love,
hippie_hunter
Marx

:funny: http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

*adds self to signature

[chaseter]

The chairman of AIG was reading the threats they have received at his testimony yesterday....no one seemd to care
And Barney Fife...Frank...wants the people's names who received the bonuses to be released so that everyone can come visit them at their house late at night with knives and guns:dry: It seems these people aren't thinking or they are thinking and doing what they know will make them popular with the voter even though it goes against morality, common sense, and even the constitution.

[danielisthor]

Barney Frank and thinking just doesn't match up. Everytime I hear him speak, i want to reach in his mouth and pull out the half roast beef sub he's got in there. I can barely understand a word he's saying. But, i guess it doesn't matter, whatever he's saying is a half truth at best and full out lie most likely.

[redfirebird2008]

Dear AIG,

Go **** yourselves.

Love,
hippie_hunter

It would have been nice if the government had said it instead. Perhaps AIG wouldn't have gotten hundreds of billions in bailout money from the taxpayers, they would have failed, and none of this BS with the bonuses would even be an issue.

[The Senator]

Barney Frank and thinking just doesn't match up. Everytime I hear him speak, i want to reach in his mouth and pull out the half roast beef sub he's got in there. I can barely understand a word he's saying. But, i guess it doesn't matter, whatever he's saying is a half truth at best and full out lie most likely.

Barney Frank is one of the smartest people in Congress... but I guess Richard Shelby, the ignorant bastard who helped draft this financial crisis, is a much better alternative...

[redfirebird2008]

Barney Frank is one of the smartest people in Congress... but I guess Richard Shelby, the ignorant bastard who helped draft this financial crisis, is a much better alternative...

LOL, they're both buffoons. Frank is corrupt and Shelby is an idiot.

[chaseter]

Barney Frank is one of the smartest people in Congress... but I guess Richard Shelby, the ignorant bastard who helped draft this financial crisis, is a much better alternative...
No he isn't. I admire his success as a gay man in this country but his political and moral views are bunk and the way he talks is extremely wretched.

[redfirebird2008]

No he isn't. I admire his success as a gay man in this country but his political and moral views are bunk and the way he talks is extremely wretched.

The way he talks? Isn't that a speech impediment, aka something he has no control over? Perhaps you should go hang out with Obama at the Tonight Show. I'm sure he'd appreciate your view towards disabled people.

[The Senator]

No he isn't. I admire his success as a gay man in this country but his political and moral views are bunk and the way he talks is extremely wretched.

Yes, he is. You can disagree with his policies all you want to, but this man is one of the most intelligent people I have ever met. To insult his intelligence is childish and crude. Moreover, it is saddening that people resort to making fun of the way a man talks as evidence of his incompetence.

[chaseter]

The way he talks is the least of my worries and I was agreeing with the person above who said that. What he does is my biggest worry. You can disagree with me all you want but IMO he isn't one of the most intelligent people I have seen in the political realm. I know you have a connection with the man due to his struggles as a human being in this prejudiced country but feeling closer to him for that same plight is no reason to defend the man's every move and he has made some bad moves.

[The Senator]

I have a connection to the man as a former employee of his, but thanks for playing the gay card...

[chaseter]

I have a connection to the man as a former employee of his, but thanks for playing the gay card...
You have already said that you respect the man immensely for what he has gone through as a gay man to get where he is...don't start that crap. I said I respected him for that and I said I felt for you as a person for having to continuously face the same problems.

You working for him now explains your position on everything political and I actually feel bad for you. He is a great mind spinning the cogs of the democratic party but they have just as many idiots making policies as the crazy right wing republicans do. Neither party is right on what is good for this country and I despise hardcore republicans as I do hardcore democrats and I now know that you are a hardcore democrat:csad: Our two party system is incredibly flawed and our country will never be the best it can be with the crap of a political system we have.

[The Senator]

Yes, my work for Rep. Frank explains everything about me politically... never mind that I confronted him on two very important issues during the last congress, and that I left his office because I was annoyed with his some of his dubious financial connections... of course, this was two years ago, before he became the Republican poster child of the economic crisis...

[chaseter]

I know nothing about Frank before 2008 so I can't knock anybody for admiring him before that time. But, from what I have seen of him and Pelosi being political mobsters as well as his sketchy financial connectons, I would say this man isn't the right guy for what he is doing and I wonder why he still is allowed to do what he is doing and I don't doubt he will not get re-elected. He could have been an admirable, great man and been lead down the path of corruption...I don't know but from what I see from him through his action and his political pov from the past year and a half, I don't think he is brilliant and I don't think he deserves to be where he is today. But, I guess that is a pipe dream because being an honest politician looking out for his people's and country's best interests is rare anyways. This just further increases my doubt in our political system and it makes me more sad:(

[The Senator]

Corruption, or perceived corruption in this case, is not an indicator of stupidity. Bernard Madoff is one of the most brilliant men in the world, and will be remembered as such. Why? Because he duped billions of dollars out of some of the wisest, wealthiest investors in the country in the most ingenious financial scheme ever originated. Yes, his actions were deplorable, but to deny his brilliance would be intellectually dishonest.

[chaseter]

Hitler was a brilliant man............................................... .................................................. .................................................. .......

[The Senator]

Yes, Hitler was a brilliant man. There's really no denying it.

[BlackLantern]

Big Smile!!!! Big Smile!!!

[SuBe]

Yes, he is. You can disagree with his policies all you want to, but this man is one of the most intelligent people I have ever met. To insult his intelligence is childish and crude. Moreover, it is saddening that people resort to making fun of the way a man talks as evidence of his incompetence.

Isn't that what you used to do about Bush? Insult the way he talks? Or is it only bad when it's against a Democrat?

[Kelly]

All I have to say at this point is....


I've never in my life seen so much ass-covering from politicians from the President on down this past week.

It just makes me shake my head....



This is selective money taking, you tell me if they asked people from Fannie and Freddie to give their money back....they didn't. It's who you know, what you know and who you use.

I'm not defending AIG at all, but this is ridiculous.

But in closing with my rant, let me say this.......the President IMO seem was the only one acting like an adult this week, through all of this.

[Marx]

Isn't that what you used to do about Bush? Insult the way he talks? Or is it only bad when it's against a Democrat?

:nono:

Bush's decisions made him incompetent. (Not his speaking skills.) That said, the fact that he was one gaffe after another does say something.

[The Senator]

I'll also say that I never held Bush's verbal gaffes as a reason why his presidency was downright terrible. Yes, I was embarrassed that a man who could not pronounce the word "nuclear" was responsible for leading the free world; but his inability to articulate his ideas into sentences was less important to me than his overall inability to lead.

[chaseter]

That was the time that Hunter and Dog Lips had a drinking contest and Dog Lips was really drinking water, not vodka shots. Short story, Hunter said something about Georgia and Immortalfire got mad and threw something that hit Dew and she started throwing bans and a few posters died in the process.

[danielisthor]

That was the time that Hunter and Dog Lips had a drinking contest and Dog Lips was really drinking water, not vodka shots. Short story, Hunter said something about Georgia and Immortalfire got mad and threw something that hit Dew and she started throwing bans and a few posters died in the process.

Sometimes the weak must be culled from the herd. Eventually, there can be only one. :woot:

[Red Mask]

Two plane crashes in one day. A volcano later erupts in Alaska.

It's the End of the World as we know it!
It's the End of the World as we know it!

And I feel fine!

[SuBe]

Is this the end of America?
Terence Corcoran, Financial Post
Published: Friday, March 20, 2009


Helicopter Ben Bernanke's Federal Reserve is dropping trillions of fresh paper dollars on the world economy, the President of the United States is cracking jokes on late-night comedy shows, his energy minister is threatening a trade war over carbon emissions, his treasury secretary is dithering over a banking reform program amid rising concerns over his competence and a monumentally dysfunctional U. S. Congress is launching another public jihad against corporations and bankers.

As an aghast world -- from China to Chicago and Chihuahua -- watches, the circus-like U. S. political system seems to be declining into near chaos. Through it all, stock and financial markets are paralyzed. The more the policy regime does, the worse the outlook gets. The multi-ringed spectacle raises a disturbing question in many minds: Is this the end of America?

Probably not, if only because there are good reasons for optimism. The U. S. economy has pulled out of self-destructive political spirals in the past, spurred on by its business class and corporate leaders, the profit-making and market-creating people who rose above the political turmoil to once again lift the world out of financial crisis. It's happened many times before, except for once, when it took 20 years to rise out of the Great Depression.

Past success, however, is no guarantee of future recovery, especially now when there are daily disasters and new indicators of political breakdown. All developments are not disasters in themselves. The AIG bonus firestorm is a diversion from real issues , but it puts the ghastly political classes who make U. S. law on display for what they are: ageing self-serving demagogues who have spent decades warping the U. S. political system for their own ends. We see the system up close, law-making that is riddled with slap-dash, incompetence and gamesmanship.

One test of whether we are witnessing the end of America is how many more times Americans put up with Congressional show trials of individual business people and their employees, slandering and vilifying them for their actions and motives. And for how long will they tolerate a President who berates business and corporations as dens of crime and malfeasance? If the majority Americans come to accept the caricatures of business as true, then America is closer to the end of its life as a global leader, as a champion of markets and individualism.

But America is at risk in other ways, especially in the technical business of setting and executing policy. The presidency of Barack Obama has set out on a course that has no precedent in U. S. history. Franklin D. Roosevelt, whose New Deal transformed the U. S. economy during the Great Depression, pushed America off on a sharply different political and ideological course. The Obama administration is different in many ways, not least in its supreme self-confidence in its methods and objectives.

Reform of health care, environmental policy, education, energy, banking, regulation -- every nook and cranny of the U. S. economy has been put on alert for major change. Expansion of government spending, plunging the U. S. into unprecedented deficits, is without parallel. In economic policy, through regulation and control of energy output, financial services and monetary expansion, the U. S. government has embarked on a fundamental reshaping of America. It is designed, in short, to bring on the end of America.

The spillover effect of all this on the rest of the world promises to be dramatically disruptive. The greatest global risk is in monetary and currency policy. Below is a chart that graphically demonstrates the sharp deviation in monetary policy from past norms. Under the chairmanship of Ben Bernanke, the Federal Reserve is in the midst of a giant economic experiment, flooding the world with U. S. dollars, hoping that flood will stimulate economic activity.

The total monetary base, already at astronomical levels, is now expected to take another big hit with the new Fed policy of buying up U. S. longer-term treasury bills in a bid to drive down long-term interest rates.

Mr. Bernanke is sometimes known as "Helicopter Ben" because he once in an academic paper referred to the use of "helicopters" full of money to rescue an economy from deflation. In comments Wednesday to explain the Fed's new policy of buying $300-billion in U. S. treasury bills, Mr. Bernanke noted that the Fed is now more worried about inflation being too low than about it getting too high in the future.

For the rest of the world, however, the worry is that America is at risk of becoming the fountainhead of a new inflationary outburst. The U. S. dollar is now in decline, gold is moving sharply higher, and new global currency turmoil is on the horizon.

It may not happen. A paper just published by the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis, source of the chart below, says that the Fed will have to be prepared to absorb all the excess money it has poured into the U. S. economy. It will be a technical and political challenge unlike any central bank has ever undertaken. The future of America is at stake.

http://www.financialpost.com/opinion/columnists/story.html?id=d4939fef-48a8-4db2-8fcf-4d82e6e87a56

[ShadowBoxing]

Well, you won't have to worry about it being uncomfortable any more as your time here is over. You were on the last chance list, you were given countless warnings and chances and yet you feel the need to call a poster an ass hole for disagreeing with you? I'm sorry to do this, you're a very smart man who brings a lot to the conversation when you can look past your ego...but...we simply have no room for someone who cannot debate without resorting to insulting posters on our site.
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"OOOooohhhh....well that's just GREEAAATT!"

[Paradyme]

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"OOOooohhhh....well that's just GREEAAATT!"

classic, "God, you're amateur man."

[ShadowBoxing]

classic, "God, you're amateur man."
Christian Bale smilies are the best way to express displeasure. I could have also used "you're a nice guy, but we are so done professionally".

[Paradyme]

Christian Bale smilies are the best way to express displeasure. I could have also used "you're a nice guy, but we are so done professionally".

I know this is off topic but I swear I haven't laughed that hard since listening to Christian Bales rant and your usage was just well placed. Perfect forum comedic timing.

[ShadowBoxing]

Why thank you :up:

[BlackLantern]

The economy is causing increased attendance at strip clubs, minor league hockey, wrestling, and monster truck/moto-cross events

[Paradyme]

The economy is causing increased attendance at strip clubs, minor league hockey, wrestling, and monster truck/moto-cross events

Of course because it's entertainment. Things that take peoples minds off of the problems at hand. This doesn't really surprise me in the least.

[souvlaki]

Ugh... What in the hell happened in this thread?

*sigh*

[SuBe]

Toxic asset purchase program details
By The Associated Press

http://townhall.com/news/politics-elections/2009/03/23/toxic_asset_purchase_program_details

Bank Bailout may Cost an additional Trillion Dollars

[ShadowBoxing]

Who was it that gave him the temp ban, and what were the details?
That I don't know, might try asking Mvrlknight.

[souvlaki]

Dow closes +497. :wow:

[redfirebird2008]

So, nearly 500 point gain in the Dow today. Interesting. Probably just a continuation of the Great American Ponzi scheme that is our economy. :p

[BlackLantern]

I think the big pendulum that is our economy is at the bottom right now.....the upswing wont start for another year or so...

[Anita18]

This is a fun read:

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/26793903/the_big_takeover

[BlackLantern]

We had some people here in Connecticut who marched to different homes of AIG execs that reside here and mounted mini protests...leaving letters and such

[Kelly]

Let's move back to the topic. You have a question, pose it in PM. This is not the place to discuss bannings, or the problems you have with a mod. You have a problem with a mod, PM an admin. (Bright Red).




Only warning I'll give.....move on please.

[BlackLantern]

The economy is starting to give the adult side of things some benefits....strip club attendance is up and prostitution seems to be sliding upwards as well.....on the opposite side...a lot of public libraries are seeing upticks in traffic

[Kelly]

The economy is starting to give the adult side of things some benefits....strip club attendance is up and prostitution seems to be sliding upwards as well.....on the opposite side...a lot of public libraries are seeing upticks in traffic

The Houston Rodeo did record numbers this year. No one went to Cancun, Cozumel, cruises, etc......this Spring Break, they stayed home and went to the Rodeo.

[BlackLantern]

Ive been reading about upticks in attendance for minor league hockey (Hartford Wolfpack and Bridgeport Sound Tigers here in CT), wrestling, monster truck and motocross events....what gets me is that people talk about inflation and whatnot, but for some reason ticket prices at Monster Jam have pretty much stayed the same since I was a kid....its curious to me

[Kelly]

I think the big pendulum that is our economy is at the bottom right now.....the upswing wont start for another year or so...


Thanks for bursting my bubble BL......:o:cmad:

[BlackLantern]

Im trying to be cautious......people shouldn't get too excited about a 1 day rally....if similar numbers occur for the next 2 or 3 days, then Id get a little happy

[Kelly]

Im trying to be cautious......people shouldn't get too excited about a 1 day rally....if similar numbers occur for the next 2 or 3 days, then Id get a little happy


Quit being so damn smart, and just be happy with me.....:csad:

[SuBe]

I don't want there to be any rally because I'm a hate monger and don't want Obama to succeed. :o

[redfirebird2008]

I don't want there to be any rally because I'm a hate monger and don't want Obama to succeed. :o

Well at least you know your role.

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:hehe:

[BlackLantern]

In BL and his total selfish thoughts news....I really hope the economy sucks just enough to affect attendance at SDCC this year so I can actually walk a straight line on the convention center floor without being stuck behind 4 anime cosplayers and a jedi

[SuBe]

Greedy. :nono:

[BlackLantern]

I feel a bit dirty after that post

[Kelly]

You should....

And I still think that smilie is shooting the bird.

[danielisthor]

In BL and his total selfish thoughts news....I really hope the economy sucks just enough to affect attendance at SDCC this year so I can actually walk a straight line on the convention center floor without being stuck behind 4 anime cosplayers and a jedi

Never happen. We save our money for these events instead of blowing it in the stock market. :woot:

[BlackLantern]

You should....

And I still think that smilie is shooting the bird.

what similie?

[Kelly]

what similie?


This one....
:nono:

[Bathead]

This one....
:nono:

Hard to tell when the hand has only three fingers and a thumb...:huh:

[Mr. Green]

For those of you taken by surprise by the economic meltdown, don't understand it, or would like to hear a perspective not shown by the mainstream media, grab some popcorn and check this out. Here's Peter Schiff on
Why the Meltdown Should Have Surprised No One

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[Kelly]

President Obama just said...."I see no need for a Global currency".

Just thought I'd let ya'll know....this has been a concern of some.

[Anita18]

In BL and his total selfish thoughts news....I really hope the economy sucks just enough to affect attendance at SDCC this year so I can actually walk a straight line on the convention center floor without being stuck behind 4 anime cosplayers and a jedi
4-day passes are already sold out. :oldrazz:

[Marx]

President Obama just said...."I see no need for a Global currency".

Just thought I'd let ya'll know....this has been a concern of some.

A global currency? I hadn't heard about that.

[gap5ewl]

A global currency? I hadn't heard about that.

Some guy from Fox News asked him if we was in favor of a global currency at the press conference. One world government conspiracy stuff.

[Kelly]

Some guy from Fox News asked him if we was in favor of a global currency at the press conference. One world government conspiracy stuff.


No, that's not conspiracy, that will be discussed at the G20...along with a world New Deal.....:csad:

[Mr. Green]

President Obama just said...."I see no need for a Global currency".

Just thought I'd let ya'll know....this has been a concern of some.
Well, I've gotta say, I'm relieved. If President Obama said it, it has to be true.

You know, unless you count all the other times he's lied...

[danielisthor]

It was brought up by the Chinese Prime Minister.

[Kelly]

Well, I've gotta say, I'm relieved. If President Obama said it, it has to be true.

You know, unless you count all the other times he's lied...


yeah....yeah......yeah.

[Paradyme]

President Obama just said...."I see no need for a Global currency".

Just thought I'd let ya'll know....this has been a concern of some.

So, the debate is over then? :hehe:

[Red Mask]

Man, those Czechs get the craziest leaders. They denounce every progressive thing America's leaders do while their own government falls apart.

[ShadowBoxing]

Well, I've gotta say, I'm relieved. If President Obama said it, it has to be true.

You know, unless you count all the other times he's lied...
If it doesn't fit into your conspiracy, it actually does because it has to be a lie, but then if a politician (like Obama) says something that does fit automatically he's not lying and what he says immediately factors into your conspiracy. That logic is flawless.

[BlackLantern]

Every time a new President is elected, we always get the one world government/new world order conspiracies....I remember when Clinton got elected, people swore up and down that we would have a global currency within 3 years and a central global government before he left office....

[Paradyme]

Every time a new President is elected, we always get the one world government/new world order conspiracies....I remember when Clinton got elected, people swore up and down that we would have a global currency within 3 years and a central global government before he left office....

Wouldn't you agree though that the current conditions are pointing to the possibility of it? Especially with quite a few countries proposing a one world currency.

[ShadowBoxing]

Ah, Peter Schiff, saw him on the last page. Currently being touted on the interwebz as being "the man who successfully predicted the recession/bear market". He predicted it so successfully, in fact that the clients who invested with him are down 40-70% in as of the end of 2008. He also said there would be decoupling in the market, which is flat out wrong.

[BlackLantern]

Wouldn't you agree though that the current conditions are pointing to the possibility of it? Especially with quite a few countries proposing a one world currency.

...and why are those countries suggesting a one world currency??

[Paradyme]

...and why are those countries suggesting a one world currency??

I'm not sure of their true motives but one would assume that its because we are spending like crazy and the value of the dollar is basically crap.

[Mr. Green]

Ah, Peter Schiff, saw him on the last page. Currently being touted on the interwebz as being "the man who successfully predicted the recession/bear market". He predicted it so successfully, in fact that the clients who invested with him are down 40-70% in as of the end of 2008. He also said there would be decoupling in the market, which is flat out wrong.
Peter Schiff didn't call the financial crisis? Seems to me that out of all the news pundits on tv he was the only one that understood what was going on.
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I'm not sure of their true motives but one would assume that its because we are spending like crazy and the value of the dollar is basically crap.
Exactly. Here's Ron Paul on the house floor on this exact topic.
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[ShadowBoxing]

Peter Schiff didn't call the financial crisis? Seems to me that out of all the news pundits on tv he was the only one that understood what was going on.
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I don't hear any specific positions or predictions other than preaching very typical "what goes up must come down" doom and gloom scenarios. Fact is, he predicted a lot of things flat out wrong including his own investments and the decoupling effect. To make these very flat predictions that "a recession will occur" and "the housing bubble will burst" would be akin to me saying "after a very long period of nice weather we're going to experience some rainfall". This has consistently been your problem Mr. Green, what your doing is a logical fallacy called shoehorning. Taking broad and non-specific statements and applying them after the fact.

[BlackLantern]

Im not an economist so what would be the pros and cons of a "global currency"??

[danielisthor]

I'm not sure of their true motives but one would assume that its because we are spending like crazy and the value of the dollar is basically crap.

The price of oil is also tied to the dollar. So when the dollar is weak, Oil prices rise to make up the difference.

[Mr. Green]

Im not an economist so what would be the pros and cons of a "global currency"??
Well, if it happens the rhetoric is going to be, "the US dollar is worthless, nobody wants it anymore, and we need to replace it with a more stable currency." So that will be the big pro side.

The "con" side will be the fact that you're putting the currency used by every single human on Earth in the hands of private bankers, giving them power over EVERYONE and that is something I find unsettling.

And if a global currency does become a reality, there is no doubt in my mind that it will be a credit system. So that means no more paper money and that means that they know everything you buy, when you buy it, if you owe taxes they can just take the money without asking, if you have debt they can take whatever money they want without asking... And consider this: if the government becomes oppressive and you and others start to organize to try to get someone elected or you start speaking out against the banking/government system, the only thing they have to do to make you a non-citizen is turn off your chip. Just like that, you will no longer be able to purchase anything.

Too much power for a small group of elitists.

[Mr. Green]

Check it out, it looks like people are pissed in the UK at the same things that piss us off in the US.
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[Mr. Green]

I don't hear any specific positions or predictions other than preaching very typical "what goes up must come down" doom and gloom scenarios. Fact is, he predicted a lot of things flat out wrong including his own investments and the decoupling effect. To make these very flat predictions that "a recession will occur" and "the housing bubble will burst" would be akin to me saying "after a very long period of nice weather we're going to experience some rainfall". This has consistently been your problem Mr. Green, what your doing is a logical fallacy called shoehorning. Taking broad and non-specific statements and applying them after the fact.
When it comes to his predictions on our current predicament and his evaluation of the causes for what is happening, he is absolutely right.
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[ShadowBoxing]

When it comes to his predictions on our current predicament and his evaluation of the causes for what is happening, he is absolutely right.
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You keep posting these same clips over and over again which don't prove jack. Peter Schiff was wrong about the dollar. He was wrong about commodities and hyperinflation. Peter Schiff was wrong about his own investments and his clients investments because he was wrong about the decoupling effect (how anyone could be so stupid as to suggest there'd be decoupling blows my mind) and then he made the wrong move to suggest that people invest in foreign capital because those markets would remain stable. He was even wrong in his predictions about China. Furthermore his blanket prediction that there would, at some point, be a recession and that the housing bubble would burst is, as I've explained to you, not that impression. Naomi Klein, Eugene Rotberg, mathematician Victor Maslov, television's wackjob Glenn Beck, George Soros, and many, many, other names have been attributed to predicting the financial crisis either on television or in print. RECESSIONS ARE PREDICTABLE . In fact they are expected about once every twenty years.

[BlackLantern]

Well, if it happens the rhetoric is going to be, "the US dollar is worthless, nobody wants it anymore, and we need to replace it with a more stable currency." So that will be the big pro side.

The "con" side will be the fact that you're putting the currency used by every single human on Earth in the hands of private bankers, giving them power over EVERYONE and that is something I find unsettling.

And if a global currency does become a reality, there is no doubt in my mind that it will be a credit system. So that means no more paper money and that means that they know everything you buy, when you buy it, if you owe taxes they can just take the money without asking, if you have debt they can take whatever money they want without asking... And consider this: if the government becomes oppressive and you and others start to organize to try to get someone elected or you start speaking out against the banking/government system, the only thing they have to do to make you a non-citizen is turn off your chip. Just like that, you will no longer be able to purchase anything.

Too much power for a small group of elitists.

I actually spent the last couple years getting out of debt from some credit cards I had when I was younger.....I don't see us or any country going away from paper currency anytime soon....there will always be some type of hard currency or barter system in place

[Marx]

MORE BAD COMPANY NEWS...

BLENDER MAGAZINE is closing.

[BlackLantern]

does anyone read Blender anymore? I read it for a bit in the late nineties but that was about it

[ShadowBoxing]

I didn't even realize it still existed.

[BatMatt]

they ranked "The End" by The Doors as one of the worst songs of all times and said Pink Floyd was overrated so I never really enjoyed reading them.

[Kelly]

they ranked "The End" by The Doors as one of the worst songs of all times and said Pink Floyd was overrated so I never really enjoyed reading them.

That is pure blasphemy....

[SuBe]

Who wants to read a magazine about Smoothies and Milkshakes anyway?

[BatMatt]

That is pure blasphemy....

in the truest meaning of the word

[Marx]

MORE BAD COMPANY NEWS...

THE WALT DISNEY WORLD RESORT in Florida has just let 450 employees go.

[BlackLantern]

so The Mouse is feeling the pinch too.....

[BlackLantern]

I expect to see a lot of resorts and entertainment related companies letting people go....people aren't doing anything right now....they are sitting home and watching 'Dancing with the Stars'

[Marx]

I expect to see a lot of resorts and entertainment related companies letting people go....people aren't doing anything right now....they are sitting home and watching 'Dancing with the Stars'

Hey! There's nothing wrong with DWTS! :cmad:

[SuBe]

Yes there is.

[BlackLantern]

Indeed there is

[Marx]

Yes there is.

Indeed there is

Boo! on BOTH of you! :cmad:

[Mr. Green]

You keep posting these same clips over and over again which don't prove jack. Peter Schiff was wrong about the dollar. He was wrong about commodities and hyperinflation. Peter Schiff was wrong about his own investments and his clients investments because he was wrong about the decoupling effect (how anyone could be so stupid as to suggest there'd be decoupling blows my mind) and then he made the wrong move to suggest that people invest in foreign capital because those markets would remain stable. He was even wrong in his predictions about China. Furthermore his blanket prediction that there would, at some point, be a recession and that the housing bubble would burst is, as I've explained to you, not that impression. Naomi Klein, Eugene Rotberg, mathematician Victor Maslov, television's wackjob Glenn Beck, George Soros, and many, many, other names have been attributed to predicting the financial crisis either on television or in print. RECESSIONS ARE PREDICTABLE . In fact they are expected about once every twenty years.
Yes, they're predictable. But that's only because people who understand economics understand that cause and effect relationship between the Fed lowering interest rates and the housing bubble (for example).

He was absolutely right about what caused the bubble, what would cause the recession, and he is absolutely right when he says that these ridiculous stimulus packages are simply making the situation worse and that we will have to go through some rough economic times regardless of what the government is doing.

The videos I've posted with Schiff in them are ALL related to that subject so if he was wrong about anything, I don't know about it. But I do know that what he talks about in those videos is absolutely true.

[danoyse]

I expect to see a lot of resorts and entertainment related companies letting people go....people aren't doing anything right now....they are sitting home and watching 'Dancing with the Stars'

Although DWTS is on ABC, which is owned by Disney. It would be a good thing for them if a lot of people keep watching it.

I heard about the WDW layoffs this afternoon. Not good. Rumors were they were actually considering shutting down some of their hotels for awhile because reservations were low, but the discounts they offered in January kept business steady enough to keep them open.

Noticed they're also using the downtime to close Space Mountain for renovations - it's going to be closed this summer. (and it's overdue, the Disneyland version blows it away)

[Kelly]

Although DWTS is on ABC, which is owned by Disney. It would be a good thing for them if a lot of people keep watching it.

I heard about the WDW layoffs this afternoon. Not good. Rumors were they were actually considering shutting down some of their hotels for awhile because reservations were low, but the discounts they offered in January kept business steady enough to keep them open.

Noticed they're also using the downtime to close Space Mountain for renovations - it's going to be closed this summer. (and it's overdue, the Disneyland version blows it away)

Just so they take care of all of that Thanksgiving 2010....I'm fine.

[danoyse]

Just so they take care of all of that Thanksgiving 2010....I'm fine.

It's scheduled to re-open in November 2009. You should be fine. :woot:

I went on Space Mountain at Disneyland 7 times when I was there last year. If the WDW rehab is even close to that, it's going to be worth the wait. :up:

[hippie_hunter]

Hey! There's nothing wrong with DWTS! :cmad:

Yes there is. Because of the mega success of cheaply made crappy reality contest shows like American Idol and Dancing with the Stars good sitcoms with actual plot developments and characterization is slowly slipping away from us.

[BlackLantern]

well made TV in general suffers because of reality TV

[Marx]

Yes there is. Because of the mega success of cheaply made crappy reality contest shows like American Idol and Dancing with the Stars good sitcoms with actual plot developments and characterization is slowly slipping away from us.

I only watch BB, DWTS, Survivor, and American Idol. I do not watch any of the other reality shows.

Oh, and boo! on you too! :cmad:

:oldrazz:

[Mr. Green]

Here (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-466210540567002553) is a really good video on Google video that is all about "Money, Banking, and the Federal Reserve."

[Kelly]

well made TV in general suffers because of reality TV

My TV for the week is pretty much....20/20, Dateline, 60 Minutes, On The Record, CSI New York, CSI Miami, Law and Order, Law and Order SVU, and Damages. Other than that, not much on that I feel like watching.

[Mr. Green]

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Daniel Hannan is the man. Here's a cool interview where he addresses US politics and the economy with Cavuto.

[Superman]

I know next to nothing about economics, That's why I try not to post in this thread. I do know though that when you go on TV saying you have your own "Budget Plan" and wave it at the camera like a captured battle flag saying "Here it is, Mr. President", You better have something better than a 19 page notebook with no numbers in it.

Anyone see that farce of a press-conference with John Boehner yesterday?

z0-DY6bFGEg

It was 19 pages long and had no numbers. It was a non-budget "Budget Plan".:hehe:

These people are nothing but a joke anymore.:whatever:

[Marx]

MORE BAD COMPANY NEWS...

GOOGLE has just let 200 employees go.

[Kelly]

I know next to nothing about economics, That's why I try not to post in this thread. I do know though that when you go on TV saying you have your own "Budget Plan" and wave it at the camera like a captured battle flag saying "Here it is, Mr. President", You better have something better than a 19 page notebook with no numbers in it.

Anyone see that farce of a press-conference with John Boehner yesterday?

z0-DY6bFGEg

It was 19 pages long and had no numbers. It was a non-budget "Budget Plan".:hehe:

These people are nothing but a joke anymore.:whatever:

As long as none of them read the legislation they are voting on, they are all jokes to me.

I'll wait until he has the full version which he said they would before I judge it.

[VampElvis]

MORE BAD COMPANY NEWS...

GOOGLE has just let 200 employees go.

Google gets WAAYYYY too much credit as a paragon of business in my opinion. I hope the recent dustup in the UK over the Google Street invasion in grows and gains strength.

[BlackLantern]

Google gets WAAYYYY too much credit as a paragon of business in my opinion. I hope the recent dustup in the UK over the Google Street invasion in grows and gains strength.

That's a bit much....I don't think Google intended to violate anyones privacy....

[VampElvis]

You're probably right. Driving a car in front of someone's house, taking a photo, and repeating process was probably misconstrued.

They probably didn't mean to limit anybody's internets in Chin-er either.

[dnno1]

There's cameras everywhere in the UK. Why is everybody so bent out of shape over Google Street?

[VampElvis]

Because these are accessible by anyone with a computer (except maybe folks in China) at their leisure whereas, I assume, the other cameras are restricted access. But I'll gladly defer to one of our UK members to provide expert commentary. I'm lucky enough to live in a rural area of the US so this hasn't reached me personally..... yet.

[BlackLantern]

You're probably right. Driving a car in front of someone's house, taking a photo, and repeating process was probably misconstrued.

They probably didn't mean to limit anybody's internets in Chin-er either.

Im sure Google Street View sounds like a great idea on paper....Google maps, in general, has been extremely helpful, IMO....I don't think there is any malicious intent from Google....and the process is done once to map the area....its not like there is the same car driving by your house every Tuesday watching you pee

[Iron_Stark]

Well I got laid off yesterday thanks to this economy. :cmad:

9+ years and bam! thanks for your time, but we can't afford you anymore.

I saw it coming though, reduced hours, cut in pay, no work for the last couple of weeks.

[Raiden]

Well I got laid off yesterday thanks to this economy. :cmad:

9+ years and bam! thanks for your time, but we can't afford you anymore.

I saw it coming though, reduced hours, cut in pay, no work for the last couple of weeks.

Sorry to hear that, Iron Stark.

[BlackLantern]

Well I got laid off yesterday thanks to this economy. :cmad:

9+ years and bam! thanks for your time, but we can't afford you anymore.

I saw it coming though, reduced hours, cut in pay, no work for the last couple of weeks.

sorry to hear, man

[SuBe]

Well I got laid off yesterday thanks to this economy. :cmad:

9+ years and bam! thanks for your time, but we can't afford you anymore.

I saw it coming though, reduced hours, cut in pay, no work for the last couple of weeks.
What kind of job did you have?

[Iron_Stark]

Sorry to hear that Iron Stark.


thanks. :yay:

Five of us in total got let go, one that was about 3-4 years away from retirement, another guy that was in really bad debt, a recent college grad and another guy that just started a year or two ago.

I'll be getting an ok severance deal, and filed for unemployment yesterday.

Right now, I'm updating my resume and hope to God I can find another job in this economy.

[Iron_Stark]

sorry to hear, man

thanks.

What kind of job did you have?

Drafter at a Civil Engineering company.

[Hobgoblin]

That sucks, man.

[Marx]

Well I got laid off yesterday thanks to this economy. :cmad:

9+ years and bam! thanks for your time, but we can't afford you anymore.

I saw it coming though, reduced hours, cut in pay, no work for the last couple of weeks.

Wow...I'm sorry to hear that man. :csad:

[Excel]

Your not the only one feeling the effects; one of my main sources of income was from fixing up houses and selling them...now Im stuck with 4 I already paid 4 that nobody wants to buy. "Buyers market" my ass :down

[souvlaki]

My full time job is on shaky ground right now as well. My hours have been cut back significantly the last six months and I've had to take on freelance work just to make ends meet. Lay offs started a couple weeks ago, starting with higher management. So far my job is safe but I've been more or less told that my company wont be around this time next year if we don't make a profit in 2009.

[Kelly]

My full time job is on shaky ground right now as well. My hours have been cut back significantly the last six months and I've had to take on freelance work just to make ends meet. Lay offs started a couple weeks ago, starting with higher management. So far my job is safe but I've been more or less told that my company wont be around this time next year if we don't make a profit in 2009.

*crosses fingers* Let's hope everything works out for you....

[souvlaki]

*crosses fingers* Let's hope everything works out for you....

Thanks, Kel. :)

[BlackLantern]

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=azBp5O5jIujw&refer=us

Omni National Bank of Atlanta closed and seized

[Marx]

My full time job is on shaky ground right now as well. My hours have been cut back significantly the last six months and I've had to take on freelance work just to make ends meet. Lay offs started a couple weeks ago, starting with higher management. So far my job is safe but I've been more or less told that my company wont be around this time next year if we don't make a profit in 2009.

*crosses fingers* Let's hope everything works out for you....

Agreed. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

[Marx]

STATES WITH THE HIGHEST UNEMPLOYMENT...

MICHIGAN - 12 percent
SOUTH CAROLINA - 11 percent
OREGON - 10.8 percent
NORTH CAROLINA - 10.7 percent
CALIFORNIA - 10.5 percent
RHODE ISLAND - 10.5 percent
NEVADA - 10.1 percent



Yikes. :wow:

[chaseter]

Good luck Souvlaki.

[Kelly]

Your not the only one feeling the effects; one of my main sources of income was from fixing up houses and selling them...now Im stuck with 4 I already paid 4 that nobody wants to buy. "Buyers market" my ass :down


It is a buyers market, you just have to get the price down to what the "buyer" wants, therefore ..... IT IS a buyer's market. :word:

[VampElvis]

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=azBp5O5jIujw&refer=us

Omni National Bank of Atlanta closed and seized

One their loan office is in the nearby city where I work and attended (and now attend again!) school. I've known several people over the years who've spent time working there and I've never heard anyone speak well of them as an employer. Forced overtime, constant threat of invoking our states at-will laws, more or less employees were told you will be here at this time and you will not leave until you are told you can leave. If this is reflective of their corporate ideology it's a wonder they lasted this long.

[BlackLantern]

One their loan office is in the nearby city where I work and attended (and now attend again!) school. I've known several people over the years who've spent time working there and I've never heard anyone speak well of them as an employer. Forced overtime, constant threat of invoking our states at-will laws, more or less employees were told you will be here at this time and you will not leave until you are told you can leave. If this is reflective of their corporate ideology it's a wonder they lasted this long.

most companies these days have 'At will employment'...my company does

[VampElvis]

And to all you that are facing difficulty, keep the faith - it will get better. I've been through it and both times my wife was pregnant she was layed off. I know what you are going through and you all have my best wishes.

I hope I don't sound preachy, but I know sometimes emotions and things you'd normal think of straight away you may not think of for quite so time. With that said I hope you don't mind if I offer soem advance from our personal experiences.

I'd recommend you spend some time visiting your local state employment office. Inquire if there are any educational, skill development, or other programs that may be of use to you. Check the job boards and see what's there.

If you work in a professional environment and aren't already on www.linkedin.com or some other similar site (I use linked in and have found it quite useful), I'd recommend you create an account and start inviting co-workers, former co-workers, professional friends, school buddies (with professional experience - not the guy you used to go get blitzed and chase tail with - unless that guy is now connected and useful in a job search, otherwise keep up with him in myspace or facebook or some such), etc to build a centralized list of contacts.

Also consider making a video resume. There area couple of services out their where you can do this or you could even just post it to youtube (with an account that doesn't have all your family guy / dad getting hit in the nuts with a baseball bat by a kid clips). If possible show some of your professional work. If your area of work is in dealing with people stage a couple of re-enactments of how to handle certain situations. Go with your strengths. I haven't used any of these services as of yet but it certainly sounds like a good idea to me. Surely a way to (possibly) make your resume stand out in among a sea of flat paper resumes.

Again, not trying yo tell anyone what to do, just hoping to add a little information to the dialogue that might just help someone out based on my personal experiences in the matter.

[VampElvis]

most companies these days have 'At will employment'...my company does

It is my understanding that unless you are a contract worker, this is a matter of state law. My state is an at-will state meaning your boss can walk in and say "Your wearing a striped shirt. I don't like stripes, clean out your desk and get the F out." and be entirely with the law to do so. the other side is a right to work state, where there must be some reason, such as poor performance, for the employee to be let go.

Or at least this is my, non doctor of jurisprudence, never having lived in a right to work state, understanding of the differences. If there is anyone on here who can speak with authority and set the record straight - please do so. I welcome being corrected........... but only when I'm factually wrong.:woot:

[BlackLantern]

My company is 'At will'...but they will usually have some sort of documentation before terminating anyone....

[VampElvis]

My company is 'At will'...but they will usually have some sort of documentation before terminating anyone....

Looks like CT is an at will state.
http://research.lawyers.com/Connecticut/Employment-Law-in-Connecticut.html

[LastSunrise1981]

I live in South Carolina and it's no secret that the employment in this area is very, very bad. It's very hard to get a job in the state. I'm working part-time at a movie theatre and we were told that our jobs are secure. During harsh economic times the movie business always does well, mainly because it gives people a place to escape to for a few hours.

We've seen some cuts as far as concession is concerned. But I was reading in the paper today and it said despite massive unemployment, people are still spending money.

[Kelly]

I live in South Carolina and it's no secret that the employment in this area is very, very bad. It's very hard to get a job in the state. I'm working part-time at a movie theatre and we were told that our jobs are secure. During harsh economic times the movie business always does well, mainly because it gives people a place to escape to for a few hours.

We've seen some cuts as far as concession is concerned. But I was reading in the paper today and it said despite massive unemployment, people are still spending money.

Its kind of like our rodeo this year, attendance was up because it falls during Spring Break time here....

People aren't going on cruises, long drive vacations, they are spending their money close to home, and the rodeo was a good family entertainment close to home.....same as movies.

[Mr. Green]

Damn, Kel's a gen-you-ine bull rider.

[Kelly]

Damn, Kel's a gen-you-ine bull rider.

No, I'm more the Dressage type....:cwink:

[hippie_hunter]

As much as Jim Cramer's stock advice sucks, the man has some very good ideas:

http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=1067642412&play=1

[BlackestNight]

I live in South Carolina and it's no secret that the employment in this area is very, very bad. It's very hard to get a job in the state. I'm working part-time at a movie theatre and we were told that our jobs are secure. During harsh economic times the movie business always does well, mainly because it gives people a place to escape to for a few hours.



We've seen some cuts as far as concession is concerned. But I was reading in the paper today and it said despite massive unemployment, people are still spending money.





I know what you’re going through. I live in South Carolina also. My place of employment has been playing with our schedules for the past couple of months. They’re trying not to lay off any workers, but we all seem to end up having our hours mutilated. Sometimes the company will have us work 4 days a week and other times they will have 1st and 2nd shift work for 6 hours and have 3rd shift come in to work for only 4 hours. Overtime has pretty much been outlawed. If things don’t improve, they're going to have to start laying people off soon.:csad:

My best friend has been looking for a job for the pass year. He still hasn't been able to find anything. He is pretty much has been surviving on unemployment for the last couple of months. I kind of feel sorry for him. He gets up every day at 7 AM goes out job hunting. Later in the day, he has to come home get dress and prepare for his classes.:waa:

[Mr. Green]

Ron Paul questions Bernanke yet again on the capitalism and the reasons we are in this mess. He should really get more time.
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[Hobgoblin]

The job market in South Carolina sounds as bad as Illinois. I check out job listings at the local community college, the county website and the city website and there is nothing I can get. Its either low paying (janitor jobs) or out of my reach (professorships). Whatever happened to the "middle jobs" for peoples with bachelor's degrees?

[Kelly]

The job market in South Carolina sounds as bad as Illinois. I check out job listings at the local community college, the county website and the city website and there is nothing I can get. Its either low paying (janitor jobs) or out of my reach (professorships). Whatever happened to the "middle jobs" for peoples with bachelor's degrees?

I bet the school districts are looking for substitutes....its fairly good pay, M-F weekends off, you can still look for jobs, and have your interviews in the afternoon. Also, if you have a morning interview, you just don't take a job for that day.

[Mr. Green]

I should SO be a substitute teacher after I graduate. I'd be like Jack Black from school of rock!

And if I ever subbed for history class i would spend the entire time talking about the Fed and how much it sucks.

[Marx]

MORE BAD COMPANY NEWS...

THE SUN-TIMES MEDIA GROUP, owner of the Chicago Sun-Times and other suburban newspapers, has filed for bankruptcy.

[SuBe]

http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2009/03/30/obamas-first-tax-hike-hits-the-poor/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Visits

Obama’s First Tax Hike Hits the Poor
Posted by Chris Edwards

It is curious that President Obama keeps claiming that he is not raising taxes on lower-income Americans, yet a tax hike that will impose a disproportionately large burden on the poor goes into effect Wednesday.

In February, Obama signed into law a large tax hike on cigarette consumers. The federal tax on cigarette consumers is jumping from 39 cents per pack to $1.01 per pack — a huge 159 percent increase. If you smoke two packs per day, President Obama has raised your taxes by a $453 annually.

Next on the Obama low-income tax hike agenda: global warming taxes of about $80 billion per year, as revealed in the Obama budget, which equals an annual tax boost of $700 for every household in the United States.

[Hobgoblin]

I bet the school districts are looking for substitutes....its fairly good pay, M-F weekends off, you can still look for jobs, and have your interviews in the afternoon. Also, if you have a morning interview, you just don't take a job for that day.

Well, thats something to look into. Gracias.

[Bathead]

http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2009/03/30/obamas-first-tax-hike-hits-the-poor/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Visits

Obama’s First Tax Hike Hits the Poor
Posted by Chris Edwards

It is curious that President Obama keeps claiming that he is not raising taxes on lower-income Americans, yet a tax hike that will impose a disproportionately large burden on the poor goes into effect Wednesday.

In February, Obama signed into law a large tax hike on cigarette consumers. The federal tax on cigarette consumers is jumping from 39 cents per pack to $1.01 per pack — a huge 159 percent increase. If you smoke two packs per day, President Obama has raised your taxes by a $453 annually.

Next on the Obama low-income tax hike agenda: global warming taxes of about $80 billion per year, as revealed in the Obama budget, which equals an annual tax boost of $700 for every household in the United States.

Bummer.
Though, as smoking is not essential to life, and as we all know it is in fact the exact opposite, they should just quit. That way, they not only won't have to pay extra taxes, they'll also live longer. As an ex-smoker myself, I have no sympathy for them.
Basically, I guess I'm saying a big "So What?"

[Kelly]

http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2009/03/30/obamas-first-tax-hike-hits-the-poor/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Visits

Obama’s First Tax Hike Hits the Poor
Posted by Chris Edwards

It is curious that President Obama keeps claiming that he is not raising taxes on lower-income Americans, yet a tax hike that will impose a disproportionately large burden on the poor goes into effect Wednesday.

In February, Obama signed into law a large tax hike on cigarette consumers. The federal tax on cigarette consumers is jumping from 39 cents per pack to $1.01 per pack — a huge 159 percent increase. If you smoke two packs per day, President Obama has raised your taxes by a $453 annually.

Next on the Obama low-income tax hike agenda: global warming taxes of about $80 billion per year, as revealed in the Obama budget, which equals an annual tax boost of $700 for every household in the United States.


How many ways can I think of to say "who the **** cares?"....because I would say all of them......:word:

[SuBe]

How many ways can I think of to say "who the **** cares?"....because I would say all of them......:word:

For one, you don't care that Obama raised taxes primarily on the poor? Or, you don't care that the Government is using Taxation as a form of Behavior Control and NOT as a viable means to fund the proper functions of Government?

[SuBe]

Bummer.
Though, as smoking is not essential to life, and as we all know it is in fact the exact opposite, they should just quit. That way, they not only won't have to pay extra taxes, they'll also live longer. As an ex-smoker myself, I have no sympathy for them.
Basically, I guess I'm saying a big "So What?"

Look, I stopped smoking 62 days ago. I figure I'll never have one again. But, I see this as the same thing as the Government taxing the Internet. How would you feel if the Government passed legislation to fund programs that we don't need with a Tax on the Internet? Say, $100 additional a month? Would it change your behavior? Is it ok that Government can make you change your lifestyle just because they can?

[Kelly]

For one, you don't care that Obama raised taxes primarily on the poor? Or, you don't care that the Government is using Taxation as a form of Behavior Control and NOT as a viable means to fund the proper functions of Government?


I don't care that poor cigarette smokers are going to have to pay more taxes on the cigarettes that smell nasty and ruin my outside pub experience.....:yay:

[SuBe]

I would rather the pub owner decides whether his/her patrons have to sniff the stentch of ol' Virginia. But that's a whole other issue.

[Kelly]

I would rather the pub owner decides whether his/her patrons have to sniff the stentch of ol' Virginia. But that's a whole other issue.

Well considering the neighborhood pub I go to is as full to overflowing as it was when my eyes were watering and I went home smelling like ****** cigarettes, I'm sure he's fine. YET, he fought the law. NOW, he's fine with it. If people want to kill themselves with the death sticks, let them commit suicide in their own homes rather than taking me with them.:o

[BlackLantern]

For one, you don't care that Obama raised taxes primarily on the poor? Or, you don't care that the Government is using Taxation as a form of Behavior Control and NOT as a viable means to fund the proper functions of Government?

are you saying only poor people smoke? :oldrazz:

[Kelly]

lmao.......yeah, because the price of cigarettes makes ya poor. lol

[SuBe]

Well considering the neighborhood pub I go to is as full to overflowing as it was when my eyes were watering and I went home smelling like ****** cigarettes, I'm sure he's fine. YET, he fought the law. NOW, he's fine with it. If people want to kill themselves with the death sticks, let them commit suicide in their own homes rather than taking me with them.:o

You have the vote of your dollar. If you don't like what the Pub Owner's choice in clientele, go somewhere else. Because, I feel he has a right to choose his customers, and you can choose not to give him your money. If he decides that he wants your money, he will change his policy.

[SuBe]

are you saying only poor people smoke? :oldrazz:

Nope, just that of the "Rich" and the "poor", the poor tend to more apt to Smoke Cigarettes. There are studies that show that the lower educated you are, the more apt you are to smoke cigarettes. That's why I stopped smoking, makes me smarter. :)

[Kelly]

Nope, just that of the "Rich" and the "poor", the poor tend to more apt to Smoke Cigarettes. There are studies that show that the lower educated you are, the more apt you are to smoke cigarettes. That's why I stopped smoking, makes me smarter. :)

Well, you smell smarter anyway.....:hehe:

[SuBe]

You don't smell half bad either....Rarr!

[Kelly]

I smell like Irish Spring.....*smiles*

[VampElvis]

Tis ruse to that will raise healthcare costs (if people actually quote over it).

[SuBe]

Tis ruse to that will raise healthcare costs (if people actually quote over it).

??

'Tis of thee, oh land of Liberty....

What'er you say'n?

[Marx]

Nope, just that of the "Rich" and the "poor", the poor tend to more apt to Smoke Cigarettes. There are studies that show that the lower educated you are, the more apt you are to smoke cigarettes. That's why I stopped smoking, makes me smarter. :)

I think you stopped smoking to increase your 'fairtaxness'. :oldrazz:

[VampElvis]

Uuugggghhhhhhhhhh
It's late and I didn't proofread. My apologies, this was even more incomprehensible than my normal posts.

Take your pick from my corrections:

This a ruse to that will raise healthcare costs (if people actually quit over it).
OR
Tis but a ruse to that will raise healthcare costs (if people actually quit over it).

[imdaly]

Look, I stopped smoking 62 days ago. I figure I'll never have one again.

Congrats, man. :) :up:

[SuBe]

STRICTER REGULATIONS (http://boortz.com/nealz_nuze/2009/04/stricter-regulations.html)

By Neal Boortz @ April 2, 2009 9:21 AM



Today is officially the first day of the G20 meeting. As I pointed out yesterday, world leaders have very different ideas on how to properly stabilize the world economy. The most dangerous proposals comes from the leaders of France and Germany. (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/apr/01/g20-summit-obama-brown)Nicolas Sarkozy and Angela Merkel are insisting that the world impose tighter financial regulations of banks, executive bonuses, hedge funds and offshore tax havens. And they say that these regulations are "non-negotiable." They are willing to discuss other things, so long as these issues are resolved.

Think forward ... consider the implications. How long before you hear from your boss that they are going to have to tweak your compensation to bring your salary, bonuses and benefits in line with some world standard. These leaders say they want to use international regulation to "rein in financial market excesses." That's just the half of it. This is really about international financial competition. France has what we would basically call a social welfare state. For example .. in 2000 France adopted a mandatory 35-hour work week. The idea was that if they could limit the number of hours that someone could work, employers would be forced to hire more workers to fill in the gaps. France actually had their work Gestapo cruising parking lots after hours taking down license numbers. They would then check on the owners of those cars to see if they were working too many hours. Now how's that for freedom? The law was relaxed in 2005 to allow workers to work more hours if employers would pay them more. Duhhhhh.

We could go on and on about the French work ethic. These people will strike at the drop of a hat. A farmer gets too little for his broccoli crop and suddenly hundreds of tractors are blocking major roads. And we haven't even mentioned the 5 to 8 weeks of mandatory vacation for French workers. While France carries on this way, the last thing they need is a country competing with them by allowing workers the freedom to work the hours they want to work and passing laws that hold strikers and unions in check.

Countries with high tax rates (like France) also don't like it all that much when other countries compete for their executive talent, their workers and their employers with lower tax rates. Sarkozy and Markel would like for some world body to regulate tax rates - at a high level of course - so that high-tax countries don't have to compete with these low-tax nations.
Our sovereignty is under attack in London. Do you care? No?

[The Major]

A global regular with teeth is a good idea. The college regulars that Obama got is not enough to stop America from sending the international financial community into a death spiral again.

[SuBe]

A global regular with teeth is a good idea. The college regulars that Obama got is not enough to stop America from sending the international financial community into a death spiral again.
:huh:

[The Major]

:huh:
The regulation that the G-20 passed is not strong enough to stop a repeat of the current situation.

[SuBe]

The regulation that the G-20 passed is not strong enough to stop a repeat of the current situation.
:facepalm

[The Major]

:facepalm
IIRC the regulars will only have the power to tell host countries about corrupt practices in their financial sectors. How's that going to stop America from telling them to get lost? That's what would have happened were this around when Bush was president. That's why the international regulators need serious power to enforce their rules.

[SuBe]

IIRC the regulars will only have the power to tell host countries about corrupt practices in their financial sectors. How's that going to stop America from telling them to get lost? That's what would have happened were this around when Bush was president. That's why the international regulators need serious power to enforce their rules.
You just keep believing that, Maj.

[The Major]

You just keep believing that, Maj.
This is disappointing, SuBe. I was expecting some argument that invalidates my concerns.

[SuBe]

This is disappointing, SuBe. I was expecting some argument that invalidates my concerns.
Why? What's the point? You really really really believe that it is true. What can I do?

I disagre, and don't feel like argueing right now.

[SuBe]

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[The Major]

Why? What's the point? You really really really believe that it is true. What can I do?

I disagre, and don't feel like argueing right now.
Fair enough.

[Malice]

G20....the beginning of the end...

Mark my paranoid words....
The beginnings of a new world currency.
The IMF will be involved in handling it.

[SuBe]

G20....the beginning of the end...

Mark my paranoid words....
The beginnings of a new world currency.
The IMF will be involved in handling it.
I agree.

[BatMatt]

I agree.

nice avatar, both my parents are in the IRS ;)

[SuBe]

Tell them I HATE the IRS.

[BatMatt]

*puts on to-do list

[SuBe]

Does it offend you I hate the IRS and want it shut down?

[SsM]

G20....the beginning of the end...

Mark my paranoid words....
The beginnings of a new world currency.
The IMF will be involved in handling it.

It's sad that you probably get blasted for being a paranoid fear monger.

[BatMatt]

No more than any other view I share differently than you (which is not at all). Different strokes for different folks Sube

[SuBe]

So, you think the IRS is good for the country?

[BatMatt]

Well I don't want it shut down, but again I'm not a financial or business expert by any means, so it's an opinion I hold lightly. I'm well versed in political science, just not this particular area.

[BlackLantern]

Does it offend you I hate the IRS and want it shut down?

apparently Joe the Plumber wants the IRS shut down too....

[SuBe]

Well I don't want it shut down, but again I'm not a financial or business expert by any means, so it's an opinion I hold lightly. I'm well versed in political science, just not this particular area.
So, you don't know how bad they are to the whole of the Economy, or how much it costs to opperate the IRS? Did you know that it costs 1/4 of the amount to opperate the IRS as it collects? That is not efficent.

How well versed in Political Science are you? What do you mean by that?

[SuBe]

apparently Joe the Plumber wants the IRS shut down too....
Good for him.

[Mr. Green]

It blows my mind any time somebody defends the IRS. Seriously, NOBODY likes paying taxes and NOBODY likes the IRS. And the vast majority of people don't like the way the government uses our tax dollars anyway so why stick up for thugs that collect money that you, for some reason, owe a government that doesn't even represent you?

[BatMatt]

So, you don't know how bad they are to the whole of the Economy, or how much it costs to opperate the IRS? Did you know that it costs 1/4 of the amount to opperate the IRS as it collects? That is not efficent.

How well versed in Political Science are you? What do you mean by that?
I was aware of the operating costs yes. What I mean by "well versed" is that I have a completed minor in political science, but my strengths more in line with international organization, internet politics, environmental issues, and a few other areas.
It blows my mind any time somebody defends the IRS. Seriously, NOBODY likes paying taxes and NOBODY likes the IRS. And the vast majority of people don't like the way the government uses our tax dollars anyway so why stick up for thugs that collect money that you, for some reason, owe a government that doesn't even represent you?

My dad will defend the IRS till the day he dies, but more so probably because of the secure job they provided him with for decades.

[SuBe]

Can you do me another favor too? When you tell your parents how much I hate the IRS, ask them to explain all 70,000 pages of the Federal Tax Code to you too.

I can explain all 128 pages of the Legislation to replace the Tax Code, can they defend the Current Tax Code in it's entirety?

[BatMatt]

They wouldn't be able to, no. My dad and mom are in appeals and audits respectively, so they haven't covered much of whats in the tax code for awhile. Neither are CPAs anymore

[SuBe]

They wouldn't be able to, no. My dad and mom are in appeals and audits respectively, so they haven't covered much of whats in the tax code for awhile. Neither are CPAs anymore
But, if they are able to "Defend it until the day they die", shouldn't they be able to explain the Tax Code in detail?

[sinewave]

It blows my mind any time somebody defends the IRS. Seriously, NOBODY likes paying taxes and NOBODY likes the IRS. And the vast majority of people don't like the way the government uses our tax dollars anyway so why stick up for thugs that collect money that you, for some reason, owe a government that doesn't even represent you?

do you live in DC?

[BatMatt]

But, if they are able to "Defend it until the day they die", shouldn't they be able to explain the Tax Code in detail?

I said my dad will defend it till the day he dies because they gave him decades of a secure job and a great pension, plus he got to do a lot of cool traveling in the IRS. I didn't say he'd defend it based on what the IRS entails and how they operate.

[SuBe]

I said my dad will defend it till the day he dies because they gave him decades of a secure job and a great pension, plus he got to do a lot of cool traveling in the IRS. I didn't say he'd defend it based on what the IRS entails and how they operate.
So, it's all about his job security, nothing about what is better for this country? Sounds greedy to me...

[BlackLantern]

So, it's all about his job security, nothing about what is better for this country? Sounds greedy to me...

SuBe....you're coming off as a bit self-important here.....to most Americans it IS about job security....most people are loyal to whoever gives them a living....be it the IRS or Jimmys Rib Shack

[BatMatt]

So, it's all about his job security, nothing about what is better for this country? Sounds greedy to me...

Well yea, if you want to misinterpret it completely. So my dad is greedy because he gave 40 years to our government?

[BlackLantern]

Well yea, if you want to misinterpret it completely. So my dad is greedy because he gave 40 years to our government?

Your dad's a trooper then....I did 6 years for the government in the USN and ran away screaming when it was done

[BatMatt]

I did 5 "seasons" for the State of Connecticut...DEP, can be very frustrating

[The Major]

So, you don't know how bad they are to the whole of the Economy, or how much it costs to opperate the IRS? Did you know that it costs 1/4 of the amount to opperate the IRS as it collects? That is not efficent.

That would be relevant were it a business, but it's not. Its a branch of the government. All it needs to function is to do it job.

[SuBe]

SuBe....you're coming off as a bit self-important here.....to most Americans it IS about job security....most people are loyal to whoever gives them a living....be it the IRS or Jimmys Rib Shack
Is that not what people say about those people that work for Corporations and get Bonuses? That they are just "Greedy"?

I don't see how backing a Failed Government program for self interest is better than working in the private sector for self interest.

[SuBe]

That would be relevant were it a business, but it's not. Its a branch of the government. All it needs to function is to do it job.
The IRS is not a Branch of Government. There are 3 Branches. They are not one of them.

[The Major]

Is that not what people say about those people that work for Corporations and get Bonuses? That they are just "Greedy"?

How is it not greed? Especially when they fail with their jobs?

I don't see how backing a Failed Government program for self interest is better than working in the private sector for self interest.
The government is there to help society, businesses usually only care about profits.

[The Major]

The IRS is not a Branch of Government. There are 3 Branches. They are not one of them.
They are an organization which functions within the government, though.

[BlackLantern]

Is that not what people say about those people that work for Corporations and get Bonuses? That they are just "Greedy"?

I don't see how backing a Failed Government program for self interest is better than working in the private sector for self interest.

I said nothing about being "good" or "bad", just saying that your average American likes to collect a paycheck and is usually loyal to whoever is giving them that paycheck

[The Major]

I said nothing about being "good" or "bad", just saying that your average American likes to collect a paycheck and is usually loyal to whoever is giving them that paycheck
Agreed.

[BatMatt]

Is that not what people say about those people that work for Corporations and get Bonuses? That they are just "Greedy"?

I don't see how backing a Failed Government program for self interest is better than working in the private sector for self interest.

My dad worked for the IRS, he didn't "back" it with anything beyond his personal opinion. My dad, or anyone else, working for an agency you don't support does not make them greedy. He didn't get bonuses like one can potentially by working for corporations, he got a standard salary and security.

[SuBe]

They are an organization which functions within the government, though.
Of course, they are apart of the Executive BRANCH of Government, not a Branch. There is a difference.

[The Major]

Of course, they are apart of the Executive BRANCH of Government, not a Branch. There is a difference.
True. But my point still stands.

[SuBe]

My dad worked for the IRS, he didn't "back" it with anything beyond his personal opinion. My dad, or anyone else, working for an agency you don't support does not make them greedy. He didn't get bonuses like one can potentially by working for corporations, he got a standard salary and security.
And is he not being paid by Tax Payers? Don't we have a say in what he makes like all of the other arguements for Socializing the Salaries of the AIG execs? I have read from multiple posters on this site saying that the AIG execs that receive $1 in salary a year is overpaid. And, your father that defends an outdated, punishing system is okay and a "trooper" because he works for Goverment? Baloney.

Just because he works for the IRS doesn't make him some superior person, and I can't wait for the day they shut down the IRS and those Gun Toting agents that Confiscate Wealth for Political whims of the Sheep. They are the American Gestopo.

[SuBe]

True. But my point still stands.
So, then because they are Government they are superior to the Free Market?

[Kelly]

And is he not being paid by Tax Payers? Don't we have a say in what he makes like all of the other arguements for Socializing the Salaries of the AIG execs? I have read from multiple posters on this site saying that the AIG execs that receive $1 in salary a year is overpaid. And, your father that defends an outdated, punishing system is okay and a "trooper" because he works for Goverment? Baloney.

Just because he works for the IRS doesn't make him some superior person, and I can't wait for the day they shut down the IRS and those Gun Toting agents that Confiscate Wealth for Political whims of the Sheep. They are the American Gestopo.


Dial it down SuBe....

[The Major]

So, then because they are Government they are superior to the Free Market?
They are superior in the sense they don't need profits as their primary benchmark to keep functioning. Government agencies differ from the private sector since they only serve the purpose they were created to do. All they need to do is fulfill their function within the government. The only reason they'd be shut down is if the government decides their function is irrelevant. Profit doesn't come into the equation.

[BatMatt]

And is he not being paid by Tax Payers? Don't we have a say in what he makes like all of the other arguements for Socializing the Salaries of the AIG execs? I have read from multiple posters on this site saying that the AIG execs that receive $1 in salary a year is overpaid. And, your father that defends an outdated, punishing system is okay and a "trooper" because he works for Goverment? Baloney.

Just because he works for the IRS doesn't make him some superior person, and I can't wait for the day they shut down the IRS and those Gun Toting agents that Confiscate Wealth for Political whims of the Sheep. They are the American Gestopo.

I never said my dad was "superior", try and find me saying that. I said he was happy, which the pursuit of is written in the damn Declaration of Independence. You act like my dad was the "punisher" of this system, when all he did for the last ten years was take appeals. And as far as the "trooper" comment from BlackLantern, that had nothing to do with anything of substance. You're acting like my dad cut throats and ruined families to get where he is.

[BlackLantern]

I never said my dad was "superior", try and find me saying that. I said he was happy, which the pursuit of is written in the damn Declaration of Independence. You act like my dad was the "punisher" of this system, when all he did for the last ten years was take appeals. And as far as the "trooper" comment from BlackLantern, that had nothing to do with anything of substance. You're acting like my dad cut throats and ruined families to get where he is.

I meant it as a compliment....working for the government, state or federal, is like an endurance trial sometime....with all the red tape, office politics, and entrenched and outdated thinking that goes on....

[BlackLantern]

And is he not being paid by Tax Payers? Don't we have a say in what he makes like all of the other arguements for Socializing the Salaries of the AIG execs? I have read from multiple posters on this site saying that the AIG execs that receive $1 in salary a year is overpaid. And, your father that defends an outdated, punishing system is okay and a "trooper" because he works for Goverment? Baloney.

Just because he works for the IRS doesn't make him some superior person, and I can't wait for the day they shut down the IRS and those Gun Toting agents that Confiscate Wealth for Political whims of the Sheep. They are the American Gestopo.

That's a bit much....Ive never come home and found the IRS ransacking my apartment or had an IRS van pull up next to me on the street, yank me inside, then take me somewhere and question me......

[Kelly]

That's a bit much....Ive never come home and found the IRS ransacking my apartment or had an IRS van pull up next to me on the street, yank me inside, then take me somewhere and question me......


The only time I ever saw that was when the went to Justin Timberlake's house.......and that was on Punk'd....:hehe:

[BatMatt]

I meant it as a compliment....working for the government, state or federal, is like an endurance trial sometime....with all the red tape, office politics, and entrenched and outdated thinking that goes on....

Oh I know very well what you meant, and I appreciate it, and like I said, I worked five years for the State of Connecticut so I know what you're saying.

[sinewave]

So, it's all about his job security, nothing about what is better for this country? Sounds greedy to me...

this coming from the guy who said

as a white heterosexual male what the government does with my money is a bigger concern to me than gay rights or abortion rights.

niiiiiice.

[Kelly]

this coming from the guy who said



niiiiiice.


Um, didn't Stormin say that?

[SuBe]

this coming from the guy who said



niiiiiice.
I didn't say that? :huh: