Chapter 38- “I Am Become Death” – Discussion Thread 10/6/08

[chaseter]

Okay I give up, I don't think you're understanding.
What is not to understand? Flint Marko is now the killer of Uncle Ben in Raimi's Spider-Man. Things have to be added on to add depth. Adrenaline is the trigger of the powers for use and the eclipse is what caused the powers to come forward. What is not to understand?

[Primal Slayer]

I'm pretty sure he needs to know that he has the ability in order to use it. Remember in season one, he was in the same room with Eden and he still hasn't used her power of persuasion.

How can you use something you don't know you have? Well until now...

Well ya except Peter was trying to force Sylar to give him his power. But I guess Peter didnt know what Sylars original ability was.

[chaseter]

See what happens with bad writers, they've crapped over their own rules and just did whatever was 'cool'.
And that is the bad thing about retconning:o

[SuperT]

Well ya except Peter was trying to force Sylar to give him his power. But I guess Peter didnt know what Sylars original ability was.

Right. He had no clue what Sylar originally did because it was never revealed to anyone, or us for that matter back in season one and two.

[chaseter]

Well ya except Peter was trying to force Sylar to give him his power. But I guess Peter didnt know what Sylars original ability was.
To reproduce asexually:woot: Or will your niece to have sex with you:wow:

[SuperT]

As for the artificial abilities vs. natural abilities - that hint was given to us all the way back in season one when Linderman revealed that he had been watching Niki her entire life and he was behind D.L. and Niki getting together, getting married, and having Micah.

What better experiment would a company want?! lol

[SuperT]

double post

[Gilpesh]

Um....... that means instead of a long breeding program where Linderman somehow came up with Micah and his ability.... he could have just made the ability in a serum and given it to someone.

Plot-hole.

[SuperT]

Um....... that means instead of a long breeding program where Linderman somehow came up with Micah and his ability.... he could have just made the ability in a serum and given it to someone.

How do you know it actually wasn't just a breeding program to see what happens when you place to supers together and have kids?

I think you're just looking for plot-holes because the story isn't going the way YOU want it.

[Gilpesh]

I think you're just looking for plot-holes because the story isn't going the way YOU want it.

Of course it's just me and not the show... cause when there's a formula to give powers and super smart super powered people, they couldn't easily make a serum to give the powers they want.

I think you're just looking for plot-holes because the sto]How do you know it actually wasn't just a breeding program to see what happens when you place to supers together and have kids?

Clearly they needed Micah's power. It was a breeding program to make Micah.

[Matt]

Okay I give up, I don't think you're understanding.

How do you know it actually wasn't just a breeding program to see what happens when you place to supers together and have kids?

I think you're just looking for plot-holes because the story isn't going the way YOU want it.

Does understanding mean making up facts and jumping over gaps in logic to come to a favorable conclussion? Or is that your definition of being happy where the show is going? You're being incredibly apologetic.

[Evelisse]

I'd really hate to think that Claire and Sylar had a baby...:csad:

I'd like to think it has more to do with being Noah's son that Sylar is raising in Noah's home.

[Tyrinus]

Where was this implication that little Noah was Clarie's...I saw nothing that implied that.

[The Chris]

I don't think there's any way that Claire and Syler have a baby. Number one they're related (which doesn stop some writers), and number two after what he did to her, why would she even be near him long enough for something like that. I'd rather it be Evelisse's second option.

[The Chris]

I don't think there's any way that Claire and Syler have a baby. Number one they're related (which doesn stop some writers), and number two after what he did to her, why would she even be near him long enough for something like that. I'd rather it be Evelisse's second option.

[flickchick85]

There's NO WAY Claire is the mother of Sylar's kid. The writers can get weird, but not THAT squicky. No, the mom was no one in that household confrontation since there was no recognition to that effect from anyone. And since we've seen Tracy ended up with Nathan, that rules her out, too. Which leaves two candidates around Sylar's age that I can think of: Maya and Elle.

My money's on Elle. I seriously doubt Maya would go near him again since he killed her brother and manipulated/deceived her for an entire season. Elle on the other hand, while Sylar did kill her father, is totally screwed up enough and desperate to be loved/accepted to overlook that little detail. Plus, I do think she harbors A LOT of resentment toward her father (for very good reasons) that hasn't come to the surface yet, so she may even come to feel that Sylar did her a favor. She already looks up to Noah, too (he may even be her new father figure), so I could totally see her wanting to name their kid after him, as well.

[Cmill216]

This episode was awesome. Not as awesome as last week, but still.

That entire sequence with Peter, Future Sylar, Future Claire, Future Daphne, and Future Evil Black Dude, was awesome. My jaw drop when they killed the kid. And then when Sylar exploded in anger (literally).....man. THAT is great television.

I still hate Matt in Africa. Really boring. Though, I'm interested in finding out how and if he really does end up with Daphne.

Mohinder Gone Wild? Snooze.

Fake Nikki? Snooze.

Nathan seeing things? Snooze.

No HRG? Boo! :down

Peter confronting Sylar at the end? Nice.

The Haitian getting the job done? Nicer.

Future Mr. Muggles? Nicest.

Good stuff tonight.

[The Apocalypse]

I really liked tonight's ep. The scene at Sylar's house was sooo intense. I can't believe the kid was killed. I really hope the future ends up ****ty because each time they go into the future for an episode it's great.

[marukisu]

...

[Wolfwood]

Can someone give me a summary of the first 30 minutes? I tuned in right when Sylar and Peter had their throw down with Claire's evil minions.

[Exploding Boy]

what about the dude in the preview talking to Angela...Arthur Petrelli?

[marukisu]

...

[chaseter]

I imagine it is Arthur P.

[Exploding Boy]

Yeah I dunno who else it could be.

[The Lizard]

I was annoyed that we didn't get to see future Mohinder after he went all Brundle-Fly.

[batnkevlar]

this episode was awesome. Not as awesome as last week, but still.

That entire sequence with peter, future sylar, future claire, future daphne, and future evil black dude, was awesome. My jaw drop when they killed the kid. And then when sylar exploded in anger (literally).....man. That is great television.

I still hate matt in africa. Really boring. Though, i'm interested in finding out how and if he really does end up with daphne.

Mohinder gone wild? Snooze.

Fake nikki? Snooze.

Nathan seeing things? Snooze.

No hrg? Boo! :down

peter confronting sylar at the end? Nice.

The haitian getting the job done? Nicer.

Future mr. Muggles? Nicest.

Good stuff tonight.

knox

[Krozee]

Of course it's just me and not the show... cause when there's a formula to give powers and super smart super powered people, they couldn't easily make a serum to give the powers they want.



Clearly they needed Micah's power. It was a breeding program to make Micah.

The serum made doesn't have a power in it, it's just a serum and based on the person it's injected into determines the power. It's not like they could've just made a technopathy serum.

[fu manchu]

Yeah I dunno who else it could be.
i think it could be linderman....but its probably is arthur.

[stillanerd]

Even though there were some obvious areas where things really, REALLY felt like deja va all over again (a character from the past trapped in another nightmare future, a nuclear explosion, Nathan being President) I kinda dug this episode. Not to mention that events have really moved while leaving behind enough interesting questions.

For instance, it's an interesting angle that people born with powers are against those who were artificially given powers and that it would essentially be something used as a form of weaponization and actually increase crime. Of course, the whole concept was played out in the Earth-X miniseries, but it certainly is a unique way of bringing about an apocalypse.

What I found really amusing, however, were the future versions of the characters. For example, kudos to those who said that it was Daphne that Matt was holding in the painting, and the fact that she turns out to be his second wife, which I got to say is an interesting couple to say the least, not to mention that Molly has been officially adopted by them. Likewise, I got a real laugh when Tracy was revealed to be the first lady right after we cut from their first make out session. Claire of the future has really become a stone cold witch with a b, and her partner being Knox is certainly intriguing. And then of course, there was Sylar, or rather Gabriel, and his son. Question is, who is little Noah's mother? I'm guessing it's probably Elle, but if so, what happened to her? Better not be Claire since that would just be all kinds of wrong.

Speaking of Future Gabriel, it was kind of amusing seeing him be all Ozzie Harriet in the beginning, and then understand that he's barely hanging on to what shred of sanity he's got left for the sake of his son. Plus, Zachary Qunito really sold the idea that he has to keep his "hunger" in check, not to mention gave a very good explanation as to how his base power works to Peter. Even so, I still do not like the idea that it's his powers and not his own psychological need to be special that made Sylar a serial killer. It's much, much too lazy to go that route.

Speaking of Peter, they are obviously, the show is further emphasizing the notion of blurring the lines between hero and villian even moreso this season with Peter now acquiring Sylar's inate ability to understand how things work. Again, and this bares repeating, I do not like the idea that this ability makes one into a homicial maniac, but does result in a good "shocker" moment when Peter kills a future version of his brother via going into Sylar mode. And I also like the angle that both himself and Future Peter may have worsened events out of their need to save the world. Although, why didn't Peter already have this power from Sylar already? After all, he was able to absorb the power of the level 5 pyrokinesis guy and he was stuck in the body of someone else, so why not Sylar's base ability? I guess, because Sylar had absorbed so many powers it was buried under a bunch of others making it hard for Peter to find. Still, it did seem odd since the whole plot of the episode revolved around this.

Another person they're obviously doing this with is MohinDUH! whose turning more into Brundlefly. Or maybe the Lizard, as the future version of himself appeared to have scales on his hands and kept making hissing noises. Then again, maybe he was turning into a half-human half cockroach, since there were some scurring about the lab. Anyway, it seems apparent that he might have ended up killing the abusive husband, so once again, the lines between good and evil are blurred once again.

It was also refreshing to see that Hiro and Ando's friendship is now restored once more as the whole "I don't trust you because your future self killed me" tension appears to have quelled, not to mention it was a great moment in nerddom when Ando stood up to Angela to defend Hiro--way to go! Plus, I'm certainly interested in the apparent Hiro and Adam team-up. Considering what Angela ended up seeing in her dream, you know it's not going to go well, yet oddly enough she's the one who told Hiro to dig him back up.

Also, I'm so glad they didn't go the clone route with Tracy. Although, one has to wonder who is Barbara? What's her power in contrast with Niki and Tracy's? And have all the Company's kids had their DNA manipulated to give them powers? According the preview Not only were Niki, Tracy, and their third (!) sister has their genes manipulated at birth, but so too were Nathan's.

And next weeks preview looks pretty good as well. All and all, a pretty good episode I'd say.

[Gilpesh]

Alright, time to show exactly why Heroes sucks now.

Daphne. She died in the future. It was such a sad moment how Matt wants her to slow down but instead she ends up dying in his arms "Because I wasn't fast enough"....

Healing blood. That's right.... healing blood. The Company knows about it, Claire has it... so the Company of the future should have a stash of it ready to heal their agents (if they are half as smart and half as devious as we're supposed to believe) at a moment's notice because as they already know, their agents have a horrible trend of just dying or getting horribly hurt.

But Daphne dies... in one of the most awesome scenes ever (which Heroes seems to have a lot more of)... if season two didn't happen and we didn't know there was healing blood.... and we didn't know that the wonderful Company knew.

Also, there's the thing of Knox not just breaking Sylar's neck with his super strength instead of just punching him around and accidentally killing a kid. But heck, I loved having a super power brawl that ends in a nuclear explosion.

[Hush]

Sylar would have just healed from a broken neck, so that wouldnt have made sense. Sylar releasing this kept up rage was awesome.

[imdaly]

So was I the only one who saw this Noah kid and immediately thought "That's an age-reduced HRG!"

Seriously. I don't see him being Claire's son. But I CAN see him being HRG Noah who's been de-aged back to an innocent little kid who has Gabriel raise and protect him for some reason. And Gabriel sort of adopts him as a father much like Claire was adopted by HRG and was her "father".




And as for the powers: I think some were given/implanted to some of the characters artificially, while others inherited them from their power-implanted parents. I think this having-a-power thing can be hereditary. So some of the offspring will have powers of their own. Maybe Peter and Sylar inherited powers but Nathan did not, so they "gave" him a power artificially.

Think Spider-Man and Spider-Girl. Peter Parker was given powers while Mayday inherited them. :)

[Nitehawk013]

This episodes depiction of Sylar is exactly what I have longed for. Some depth finally. I was so disgusted I couldn't stan dit when he just went immediately back to sociopath mode on Jesse. This episode showed he can grow. He can have depth. He can be more than some stupid deus ex machina unstoppable killer character. I loved it. The entire scene in the future made me completely fall in love with this show again.

[Gilpesh]

Sylar would have just healed from a broken neck, so that wouldnt have made sense. Sylar releasing this kept up rage was awesome.

Or he could have just ripped Sylar's head off... like he did to Claire in Angela's dream. But I wasn't really arguing that.


My main point was about Daphne.

[04nbod]

Ok I am not loving this whole "we gave you your ability" crap. First Niki/Tracey/Babs, now Nathan. Who else?

perhaps all of them hence kaito talking about the search for 'true blood'

[SuperT]

It can't be everyone that was given powers, Adam had is powers years before the formula was even thought of.

[Golgo-13]

I like last nights ep...but do we need yet another Sylar going nuclear storyline?

I know Knox was killed in the explosion but how did Peter survive; with Clairs powers...?

[kane9321]

Wow..wow wow ..wow wow

[PhoenixRise]

What is with the confusion with Tracy? Is it really that confusing?

Tracy, Niki, and Barbra were three genetically altered triplets. They were seperated at birth. Niki went to go live with the Sanders family who already had a daughter named Jessica. Jessica was abused as a child and eventually killed by her father. Niki, traumatized by this, created different personalities to deal. These included Jessica, the crazy and angry one, and Gina, the childish one. Niki dies in the fire to save Monica.

Tracy is the character that is on the show now. Barbras whereabouts are unknown.

[Star]

Where did everyone pull the name 'Barbara' from?

Is there some sort of interview/preview/etc where that name is mentioned?

[steelio2006]

who knows maybe we'll get to see Future Mohinder at some point later in the season. it's always possible. I was kinda interested to see Future Sylar turn into basically what HRG was. since he sporting horn rimmed glasses as well.

[Ion Kenshin]

Where did everyone pull the name 'Barbara' from?

Is there some sort of interview/preview/etc where that name is mentioned?
when Zinmmerman opened the door and saw her there he called her Barbara

[PLAS]

Where did everyone pull the name 'Barbara' from?

Is there some sort of interview/preview/etc where that name is mentioned?
at the end of last episode

[shadowdog]

when i saw Nathan and Tracy together in the future, I had this weird feeling that mayb eit was Barbara. LIke maybe she's the craziest, toughest one of the three. Anyway, I'm glad to finally know a litle more about what exactly happened with the whole Nikki/Jessice/Tracy thing.

[Gallagher]

This was the best episode since Company Man. I thouroughly enjoyed it and it made me remember why Sylar is up there amongst my favorite characters.

Killing lil' Noah really shocked me and Gabriel's rage afterwards was one fantastic piece of television.

[Gallagher]

Also did anyone notice the photograph in Zimmerman's house? He IS related to 'The German'.

[Exploding Boy]

i think it could be linderman....but its probably is arthur.
Hmmm I don't think it looked or sounded much like Linderman.

I thought Clair was about to give Peter the scar on his face when she was torturing him.

[Anubis]

I like last nights ep...but do we need yet another Sylar going nuclear storyline?

I know Knox was killed in the explosion but how did Peter survive; with Clairs powers...?

Yup, which means that future Sylar should have survived that too.

[Son of Sun]

The episode was the best one of season 3, but it counts for naught. As a story this has failed so long ago and continues to do so - but as television entertainment? I think it might be possible to continue this forever. Why? Because they've adopted the great comic book way of undermining every decision and action that's more or less in the past. If nothing stands for or means anything, it can all be changed in all ways imagineable, and that's what they're shoveling.

Some like, some don't.

I opt to not to waste my time anymore.

[Magneto29]

Also did anyone notice the photograph in Zimmerman's house? He IS related to 'The German'.

I'll have to rewatch it and check that out. It probably won't be retouched on, since the German's dead... unless there are multiple Germans.

[Anubis]

The episode was the best one of season 3, but it counts for naught. As a story this has failed so long ago and continues to do so - but as television entertainment? I think it might be possible to continue this forever. Why? Because they've adopted the great comic book way of undermining every decision and action that's more or less in the past. If nothing stands for or means anything, it can all be changed in all ways imagineable, and that's what they're shoveling.

Some like, some don't.

I opt to not to waste my time anymore.

Awesome. :up: :rolleyes: :p

[TheComicbookKid]

I thought Peter had Claire's healing ability since season 1?

[Trainwreck2100]

Did peters cuts from claire heal after the Haitian left the room?

[Primal Slayer]

He has had her power since S1. But its only activated when he needs to activate it. Other then that it lays dormant like the rest of the powers he has mimiced.

But I am confused by this:



Welcome back, “Heroes” fans, for Week Two of BEHIND THE ECLIPSE! As always, we are joined by the dynamic duo of writers/producers Joe Pokaski and Aron Coliete. In this installment, the guys answer all of your burning questions in regard to last week’s episode "One Of Us, One Of Them."

“If Sylar's slate is wiped clean the way you describe in BEHIND THE ECLIPSE #1, then his only power should be the ability to read brains, right?”

You’d think — but for some reason, he was able to hang on to telekinesis. We’ll learn a little more about the effect of his first murder in chapter #8 of this volume — “Villains” (yes, it’s the chapter and volume title — like “new Shimmer”)

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=18343

If Sylars slate was wiped clean except for tk (which has been with him the longest out of all the powers he has stolen) then how does he still have Teds power in the future?

[black_dust]

That syler big boom was pretty bad ass!! love this episode and when peter picked syler up when he went back in the past

[04nbod]

He has had her power since S1. But its only activated when he needs to activate it. Other then that it lays dormant like the rest of the powers he has mimiced.

But I am confused by this:


If Sylars slate was wiped clean except for tk (which has been with him the longest out of all the powers he has stolen) then how does he still have Teds power in the future?

someone else has a radioactivity power that sylar steals

[fu manchu]

idk why, but i LOL when Matt was following that turtle....

[Gallagher]

idk why, but i LOL when Matt was following that turtle....

Because it's taken straight out of The Simpsons. Homer has to follow a turtle on a spirit walk. I thought it was rather blatant theft on Kring's behalf to be honest, a bad spot on an otherwise fantastic episode.

[Trainwreck2100]

Because it's taken straight out of The Simpsons. Homer has to follow a turtle on a spirit walk. I thought it was rather blatant theft on Kring's behalf to be honest, a bad spot on an otherwise fantastic episode.

I think it had more to do with the turtle appearing in the second ep. And i believe it was the only animal he has come across in Africa. homer had to follow the turtle in that episode but his spirit guide was the space coyote.

[shadowdog]

Did peters cuts from claire heal after the Haitian left the room?

I was wondering that myself, my firneds who I was watching with agreed that they thought he did

[The Apocalypse]

Because it's taken straight out of The Simpsons. Homer has to follow a turtle on a spirit walk. I thought it was rather blatant theft on Kring's behalf to be honest, a bad spot on an otherwise fantastic episode.

Its kinda of funny, that whole Matt thing. John Locke (LOST) did the same thing to himself in season three. He went into a tent. Ate the same stuff Parkman did, and was able to 'see the future'. There was no turtle involved though. :hehe:

[SuperT]

If Sylars slate was wiped clean except for tk (which has been with him the longest out of all the powers he has stolen) then how does he still have Teds power in the future?

You do realize those events were four years into the future, so it isn't out of the realm of possibility that he scalped someone else with that same power.

[Anubis]

When did they say his powers were wiped clean? I was under the impression that he just chose not to use his powers, you know, since he learned to control his "hunger."

[flickchick85]

Yeah, Sylar lost all of the powers he had acquired when he got the virus, and then when he was cured, he got them all back. He just only uses the TK b/c that's pretty much all he's ever used. Unless the plot required otherwise, of course.

And the reason he didn't get Candice's power is because he had the virus when he killed her. So since he didn't have his power (to understand how things work/make them work), he couldn't get hers.

[absonic93]

I can't wait to see how Tracy's storyline turns out.

So there's Niki, Tracy, Barbara
but Niki is dead
so either Tracy or Barbara will be a villain in the future (mama petrelli dream)

I don't get why everyone hates Tracy even though I think she's a very interesting character so far.....

[Hush]

Maybe Sylar healed everything that had to do with him when he cured himself. It makes sense, he cured his power and that stems from his brain and he recovered his powers. If he can remember how to work a powerthan he can use it, that makes sense by remembering how to use TL he still had it, same with everything else.

[imdaly]

Maybe Sylar had taken Hiro's powers at some point and had time traveled back to when he first killed and obverved Ted to get that power back?

There's plenty of way for him to have that power back. :)

[Star]

I really don't get why Peter's power didn't work in the future. (His healing ones)

I know people have said it's because he has to 'activate' it but that has never been true before... it just kind of worked automatically... (Aka like when he was being beaten up in Ireland...)

[SuperT]

I really don't get why Peter's power didn't work in the future. (His healing ones)

I know people have said it's because he has to 'activate' it but that has never been true before... it just kind of worked automatically... (Aka like when he was being beaten up in Ireland...)

Do you mean Future Peter, or Present Peter?

When Future Peter was shot in the alley by Claire, the Haitian was there negating his healing abilities. So when Claire shot him, his powers didn't automatically kick in and get rid of the bullet. The bullet was still lodged in his brain, thus keeping his powers from reactivating once the Haitian was taken out of the picture.

Remember back in season one when Claire had the log stuck in her head and Peter had the piece of glass stuck in there? Their powers didn't reactivate again until those foreign objects were removed.

One shot to the brain or dislodging the head from the body entirely is all it takes to kill Adam, Claire, Peter, and Sylar.

[Matt]

So was I the only one who saw this Noah kid and immediately thought "That's an age-reduced HRG!"

Seriously. I don't see him being Claire's son. But I CAN see him being HRG Noah who's been de-aged back to an innocent little kid who has Gabriel raise and protect him for some reason. And Gabriel sort of adopts him as a father much like Claire was adopted by HRG and was her "father".


That is an absolutely insane theory.

Sometimes the most obvious answer, is the right one. I doubt we're going to get many answers any time soon...being as little Noah served his purpose and is part of a future that will never happen...but the implication was definitely there, that it was Claire and Sylar's.

[Mikelus]

Maybe they should start coming with some answers, if ratings keep going like this: :o

While Two and A Half Men didn’t challenge the viewership of Dancing with the Stars, it beat it to win the hour for adults 18-49, and be the most watched show in the demo for the night. Heroes, well back in viewership, and down about 10% from last week, was still the 18-34 winner for the hour and the night. Prison Break was well back, but was up 10% in the demos from last week.

9:00 PM
ABC Dancing With The Stars 19.701
CBS Two And A Half Men 13.936
NBC Heroes 8.209
FOX Prison Break 5.427
UNI Fuego en la Sangre 5.063

http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/10/07/tv-ratings-monday-dancing-with-the-stars-two-and-a-half-men-heroes-winners/5785

People are getting tired of it, and the worst is yet to come. :meanie:

[Eddie Brock]

Damn shame that Tracy is dragging Nathan down with her. One less character to enjoy...:csad:

[Savage]

I really wish Tracy wasn't a Nikki clone. If they had hired a new actress and dropped the relation to Nikki I would have been all for it.

[imdaly]

I really wish Tracy wasn't a Nikki clone. If they had hired a new actress and dropped the relation to Nikki I would have been all for it.

Are you using the word "clone" meaning that Tracy's just another Nikki, or are you meaning it in the literal sense, that Tracy is Nikki's clone?

[absonic93]

she's not a Niki clone, she's one of her sisters who were separated at birth and were the subject of genetic experiments that gave them abilities.

[Savage]

Are you using the word "clone" meaning that Tracy's just another Nikki, or are you meaning it in the literal sense, that Tracy is Nikki's clone?

The non-literal sense...Although I'm still betting on clone even though they were said to be sisters. Clones can be sisters. :oldrazz:

My issue is that she's pretty much replacing Nikki and when I see her I can't help but think Nikki while if she was a completely new character (like Maya or Daphne) I would have been completely locked in and curious about where her story goes.

As of now I just see her as a cheap way to keep the actress on the show.

[Marvin]

I don't get how if sylar is all good in the future, and he and pete are allies

(sylar realizing that he was revealing his kinship to an unknowing peter from the past, he was saddened by the fact that "u had to find out this way")

my question is

why o why was future peter pissed when he found out sylar (his taller bro) got the healing ability from claire?

is this just proof that the show is written on a weekly basis?
or does peter just not want sylar being tough?

[PLAS]

I don't get how if sylar is all good in the future, and he and pete are allies

(sylar realizing that he was revealing his kinship to an unknowing peter from the past, he was saddened by the fact that "u had to find out this way")

my question is

why o why was future peter pissed when he found out sylar (his taller bro) got the healing ability from claire?

is this just proof that the show is written on a weekly basis?
or does peter just not want sylar being tough?
maybe because that would mean that Sylar brain raped Claire, how would you feel that because of something you did to try and save the world would cause someone you love to go through a very traumatizing experience?

and nope, the writers are not doing it on a weekly basis, apparently a lot of viewers have very short attention spans, lack basic critical thinking skills and don't want to stop and think about how what they just saw applies into the overall context of the story

[PLAS]

double post

[Magneto29]

One thing I don't get, is that if Tracy, Nikki, and Barbara were all identical triplets, then where does Jessica fit into this ?

[PLAS]

That is an absolutely insane theory.

Sometimes the most obvious answer, is the right one. I doubt we're going to get many answers any time soon...being as little Noah served his purpose and is part of a future that will never happen...but the implication was definitely there, that it was Claire and Sylar's.
care to explain where and how you got to this conclusion, please?

[PLAS]

One thing I don't get, is that if Tracy, Nikki, and Barbara were all identical triplets, then where does Jessica fit into this ?
Jessica was the daughter that family already had if I remember correctly, the one that was killed by their father

[Son of Sun]

That is an absolutely insane theory.

Sometimes the most obvious answer, is the right one. I doubt we're going to get many answers any time soon...being as little Noah served his purpose and is part of a future that will never happen...but the implication was definitely there, that it was Claire and Sylar's.

Hey, this is season 3. All that can be thought will be brought.

Like this:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2239/1728155156_7289c00e90.jpg?v=0

[Savage]

...Wwwow.

[Asgard]

Um...how do you know that was a mistake?

For all we know, Peter Petrelli was born with female genitalia but decided to live as a man because of his masculine features.

[Star]

Hahahhahahhahha oh my god

[Trainwreck2100]

Um...how do you know that was a mistake?

For all we know, Peter Petrelli was born with female genitalia but decided to live as a man because of his masculine features.

Maybe a side effect of the powers?

[louiebling$]

Ok peter teleported to costa verde in the future but how the hell did Claire,Daphne and that other guy(blanking kn his name) get to Costa Verde so damn fast!?

[Kingfish]

I would assume Daphne ran them there. (She's kinda fast)

[Asgard]

Maybe a side effect of the powers?
Nature can be a cruel *****.

[Ryudoz]

Well, I keep grappling with the idea that the writers know where this show is going. So many differing plot threads with so few resolutions to others. However, this is only the 4th chapter of this Volume, so I'm sure that things will "work" themselves out, in whichever direction they seem to go. First, a few things.

- Gaining Sylar's ability has absolutely marked Peter as a definite casualty this year, which is sad because of how tragic his character seems to be now. The only person who consistently seems to want to do the right thing and to "save the world" is getting screwed by a banal plot device to provide artificial depth to a character who started out as THE bad guy. Not some schlep, but THE "bogeyman" as he himself pointed out. I love Peter. He's the one guy you can count on as being the "Hero". Now, he's going to become Sylar 2.0, but unlike 1.0, he will more than likely get offed for good. Which is sad.

- Sylar-Gabriel, Gabriel-Sylar. It was apparent that Gabriel had abandonment issues and thus was driven by his own apparent lack of self-esteem to try and become "special" so that he could be accepted by those he loved. That was absolutely apparent. Now it's a side-effect of his powers? Weak. Weaker than weak. Absolute shenanigans I say. It destroys what little character development that he had in lieu of this whole "Nice guy" swap they're pulling with him. Which doesn't make any sense to me, because it seems as if they're setting him up to be THE Hero which seems kind of forced. Why is it to hard to just have Good Guys that are good and Bad Guys that are bad just for the sake of it? We all criticize people like Raimi for trying to humanize villains or those that try to give Villains like Joker a backstory (Burton) so why give these guys a pass? Why this unnecessary inner-conflict? I mean, this is after all a TV Show.

- The Future. Old, tired, plot device. Because in the end, it won't matter. The scene in Costa Verde (while it developed rather nicely, unfortunately causing the death of a young innocent--something no one wants to see) will be relatively meaningless unless the writers actually decide to suck it up and say "Here is the point where we can't actually change the future" a la Terminator 3 (love it or hate it, I loved the fact that there was the realization that Judgement Day was ALWAYS going to happen). Be it in this incarnation or another, the future will be bleak because of the heroes, and in the end the only way to stop it is to wipe them all out in some way shape or form.

- I know this Volume is titled Villains, but where's the Heroes? Hiro is a dunderhead, no reason Ando kills him (in the future that's not going to happen anyways); Mohinder just as much; Maya's pouting about... well, whatever it is she opens her mouth to talk about; Peter's now a head-chopping psychopath because "the powers told me to do it"; Claire's turning into emo-girl; Nathan's a religious zealot; Tracy is Maya, just skinnier and with more teeth; Matt's following a turtle in Africa; HRG is... well, no clue; and almost everyone else is doing something equally devious/pointless. Again, I have no clue if the writer's actually know where this is going, or if they're just winging it at this point.

I didn't watch S1 when it came out. Wasn't interested in a cliche'd show about people with power, etc. and whatnot. But apparently it's done well for itself </sarcasm>. I caught on the last half of S2 (my wife watched the show the whole time and loves it) and was intrigued, to say the least. So I wound up buying S1 and 2 on DVD here recently and was absolutely stunned at what I had missed in S1 (loved it) and was only mildly entertained in S2 (and understandably so because I had seen half of it, and the writer's strike killed half the intended season anyways). Some people are saying that the show is getting back to its S1 roots. I'm not so sure. One of the things that caught me about S1 was the atmosphere. The music helped alot, but for the most part, this just seems like Angel/Buffy with a better production budget (in terms of presentation, not actual plot) and while those are respectible shows in their own right, I felt spoiled that the first season was portrayed more... well, almost emotionally. I don't get that this season, and I pray that it gets better.

[imdaly]

Listening to Sylar's little speech to Peter during the scene where he explains how to use his ability, it made me think: Does Sylar's power of knowing how things work also help make him a master strategist? Just listen to what he says to Peter in that scene:

Listen to it. Like a symphony every piece has its part all coming together in perfect harmony. If you can understand the complexities of a watch, you can understand anything. Everything. Cause-Effect. Action-Reaction. How to change the future.

So if he's a master under standing cause and effect, could he not use this in manipulating people or events? Could this whole "good" side to Sylar be a manipulation in order to cause the desired effects he's looking to achieve?

Is this all...part of Sylar's plan?

[Savage]

That's what I'm thinking. He's still a jerk and playing puppet master in order to get more powers. He just HAPPENS to be on the hunt for level 5 mutants (**** it. What else are they?)? I think he was hunting them this whole time. The Company just got him that much closer to his goal.

[Neptune]

great episode! I loved that fight 4 years in the future. Peter is finally using his powers better. Future Claire is bit stupid though. If you wanna kill Peter, shoot him before he sees you. Don't come walking in giving a speech and all that. Just one thing i hate: the hunger. Since when is "the hunger" Sylar's excuse for killing? :huh: And why on earth would Peter suddenly feel "the hunger" and saw people's heads of to take their power? THE GUY ALREADY ABSORBS ALL THE POWERS AROUND HIM! He can literally absorb powers in his sleep. Other than that, great episode. I'm glad Adam's back :woot: He needs to stuff his sword down Hiro's chubby troath.

[Tyrinus]

great episode! I loved that fight 4 years in the future. Peter is finally using his powers better. Future Claire is bit stupid though. If you wanna kill Peter, shoot him before he sees you. Don't come walking in giving a speech and all that. Just one thing i hate: the hunger. Since when is "the hunger" Sylar's excuse for killing? :huh: And why on earth would Peter suddenly feel "the hunger" and saw people's heads of to take their power? THE GUY ALREADY ABSORBS ALL THE POWERS AROUND HIM! He can literally absorb powers in his sleep. Other than that, great episode. I'm glad Adam's back :woot: He needs to stuff his sword down Hiro's chubby troath.

He may absorb them and be able to use them, but Sylar's power would give him a complete understanding of them, which was originally one of his big problems.

[Matt]

care to explain where and how you got to this conclusion, please?

Lets see...

1) Sylar named the child after Claire's father

2) Sylar owned Claire's dog.

3) Claire said "This used to be mine," (in regards to the house Sylar was living in).

4) Sylar's whole, "I never meant to hurt you," speech towards her.

The implication was definitely there that Claire and Sylar hooked up.

[Matt]

Listening to Sylar's little speech to Peter during the scene where he explains how to use his ability, it made me think: Does Sylar's power of knowing how things work also help make him a master strategist? Just listen to what he says to Peter in that scene:



So if he's a master under standing cause and effect, could he not use this in manipulating people or events? Could this whole "good" side to Sylar be a manipulation in order to cause the desired effects he's looking to achieve?

Is this all...part of Sylar's plan?

Clearly Sylar is capable of being a good person and it is even a possible future for him (I really doubt he had a son, only to manipulate events so his son would die and he would have an excuse to blow up). Whether present Sylar is acting or not, who knows?

[Primal Slayer]

Lets see...

1) Sylar named the child after Claire's father

2) Sylar owned Claire's dog.

3) Claire said "This used to be mine," (in regards to the house Sylar was living in).

4) Sylar's whole, "I never meant to hurt you," speech towards her.

The implication was definitely there that Claire and Sylar hooked up.

It just sounded to me that Sylar took everything away from Claire that she had. Sylar came in and charmed the pants off of HRG and family. Claire obviously wasnt ok with it and left and embraced Nathan as her father more.

[RyanJ]

I'm not understanding why people are saying Sylar's "hunger" is stupid. To me it would be stupid if his whole motivation was to just be special. If it was the other way around everyone would be saying he needs to quit being an emo crybaby. All it would take is someone with the power to give him a hug.

Also, I didn't see any implication at all that Gabriel's child was Claire's. I thought it was pretty clear that Gabriel was paying homage to HRG by naming his kid after him. The only time Claire even acknowledged the child is when she threatened to kill him. She said Sylar took everything from her. He had her house, her dog and was living the normal life that she's always wanted. I'm guessing she thinks he even took her father from her.

This is what I imagined happened. Sylar and HRG became partners and friends. HRG helps Sylar control his power and hunger. Claire has taken off to do her superhero thing and comes to resent and hate HRG for helping Sylar.

At some point HRG gets killed and maybe Sylar feels guilty. HRG's family has either moved on or is killed also. Sylar has a child with an as yet unnamed woman and names their kid after HRG. He moves into the Bennent house and tries to live a normal life.

It probably won't happen anything like that but that is what I thought when I saw future Sylar. Not once did I ever think the child was Claire's.

[Neptune]

Sylar wanting to be special isn't stupid. It was carefully explained in season 1. His grandfather was a watchmaker, his father was a watchmaker and he too became a watchmaker. It wasn't fulfilling for him. He thought his family and his life were too plain, he wanted to stand out, do something extraordinary, be someone important, be special. Combine that with the fact that his mother was constantly telling him that he could do so much better and Sylar has a good motivation. When Chandra told him he had an ability, Sylar was thrilled and though he actually was special. That is until Chandra started to doubt that he actually had an ability.

Sylar saw these people with abilities as special and most of them didn't even want to the abilities they had. They wanted to be normal. That is why he took those abilities. Just look at that first guy he killed. It makes him a relatable character too. A lot of people want to be special, important and be rememberd for something extraordinary.
Now that sounds like a good origin for a villain but then the all of sudden the writers threw all that out of the window. Now it's "the hunger" that drives Sylar and makes him want to kill. That is just so lame and certainely not as interesting as him wanting to be special.

[Savage]

I agree. The hunger pretty much makes him a vampire and, as cool as that is, it's not as good as the original motivation. Sure they can say the hunger only pushed him or developed after a while but with Peter immediately feeling it that goes out the window. It was really just a way of keeping him interesting after he finally got Claire's powers, making himself omnipotent (well until he gets his hands on Haitian).

[Trainwreck2100]

Ok peter teleported to costa verde in the future but how the hell did Claire,Daphne and that other guy(blanking kn his name) get to Costa Verde so damn fast!?

we don't know how long it took Sylar to paint

[stillanerd]

Sylar wanting to be special isn't stupid. It was carefully explained in season 1. His grandfather was a watchmaker, his father was a watchmaker and he too became a watchmaker. It wasn't fulfilling for him. He thought his family and his life were too plain, he wanted to stand out, do something extraordinary, be someone important, be special. Combine that with the fact that his mother was constantly telling him that he could do so much better and Sylar has a good motivation. When Chandra told him he had an ability, Sylar was thrilled and though he actually was special. That is until Chandra started to doubt that he actually had an ability.

Sylar saw these people with abilities as special and most of them didn't even want to the abilities they had. They wanted to be normal. That is why he took those abilities. Just look at that first guy he killed. It makes him a relatable character too. A lot of people want to be special, important and be rememberd for something extraordinary.
Now that sounds like a good origin for a villain but then the all of sudden the writers threw all that out of the window. Now it's "the hunger" that drives Sylar and makes him want to kill. That is just so lame and certainely not as interesting as him wanting to be special.

Well said and I'm in complete agreement. Season 1 already and explained why Sylar became a serial killer of people with abilities quite well, and it was psychologically complex and what made him such a stand out villain on the show to begin with. They didn't need to add on an additional rationale by saying his ability to understand how things work also gives him a complusion to "take things apart" so to speak, and thus weaken him by making him into an "anti-hero."

[Star]

I agree. They are trying to make him the victim. This pretty much contradicts EVERYTHING that's been shown/told to us about Slyar in the past two seasons.

[PLAS]

I agree. They are trying to make him the victim. This pretty much contradicts EVERYTHING that's been shown/told to us about Slyar in the past two seasons.
the creators have been very vocal about the fact that this season is all about blurring the lines between what's supposed to be "good" and "evil", you know, breaking absolutes apart, delving more into the "morally grey" aspect of things. so that means all characters' actions and motivations are up in the air

[shadowdog]

I thought this new Sylar's hunger story angle was to make him seem less like a villain, just like the future showed, if he had had help in the beginning or had been in a better mental state, maybe he wouldn't have been a killer at all
heroes becoming villains and vica versa

[Fanticon]

Ratings down again...why the F arent' people watching? This season is so much better...
http://www.zap2it.com/tv/ratings/zap-ratings100608,0,680582.story

[The_Question]

I don't think it's entirely accurate to call Sylar a "victim" of anything. Showing him in the future, caring for young Noah proves that with the proper motivation, Sylar can control his "urge." In the present, Sylar chooses not to fight the urge at all. He is the equivalent of a drug addict who chooses to continue using. So yes, he has an unfortunate condition, but ultimately the blame and responsibility for murdering other gifted individuals is not washed away.

[Silk Spectre]

Ratings down again...why the F arent' people watching? This season is so much better...
http://www.zap2it.com/tv/ratings/zap-ratings100608,0,680582.story

Season two sucked in most people opinion, and then the show was on hiatus for almost a year. I'm a huge fan, but they have left so many loose ends and plot holes.

[imdaly]

Clearly Sylar is capable of being a good person and it is even a possible future for him (I really doubt he had a son, only to manipulate events so his son would die and he would have an excuse to blow up). Whether present Sylar is acting or not, who knows?

His "son"'s maybe an unforseen effect that Sylar didn't expect to happen. Perhaps Peter's jumping into the future and going to Sylar's house was another "stepping on a butterfly" that Sylar couldn not forsee coming. A crack in his "plan", if you will?

[nexgenpresident]

i really liked the ep. butttt this is a problem for me i know someone already said this but
peters base power is to gain other supers abilities . sylars is to understand things like say....supers and there powers.. so really peter doesnt even have to cut anyone's head at all ..so he can just go along absorbing powers and be ready to use them with great skill.. and i guess you can say he wants to know everything .well he can read minds and time travel for that to.dont get y the hunger should really affect him at all

[Lunar_Wolf]

Loved the episode. Loved all the future scenes. How did Peter and co escape the exploding Sylar? Loved the grave digging scene haha!

[RonStoppablefan]

They didn't escape. Speed Woman got killed. Remember Peter and Claire both have healing abilities. Peter healed himself after he exploded in Volume 1 season finale, so he should be able to do it here. Its pretty much the same thing, since Peter can do it ovbiously Claire can do it to. I don't know what happened to Syler, maybe he surrvived and they didn't catch him becuase he wasn't who they were after. I mean Syler should have had the healing ability as well. He took Claires after all.

[Tyrinus]

Lets see...

1) Sylar named the child after Claire's father

2) Sylar owned Claire's dog.

3) Claire said "This used to be mine," (in regards to the house Sylar was living in).

4) Sylar's whole, "I never meant to hurt you," speech towards her.

The implication was definitely there that Claire and Sylar hooked up.

Perspective is fascinating...I look at that list of things and see absolutely nothing that would imply that.

[imdaly]

Perspective is fascinating...I look at that list of things and see absolutely nothing that would imply that.

I have to agree:

1. Sylar named the kid after his former partner. (That is if the kid was even biologically his.)

2. Sylar owned a dog that was at the very least the same breed as Mr. Muggles. Did we hear Sylar call him "Mr. Muggles"?

3. Claire said "this used to be mine" in regards to the house...because it did. :huh: Just look at the present time.

4. Sylar's "I never meant to hurt you" was probably because he didn't want to hurt anyone at that point in his life, it seems.


I'm not saying Matt's definitely wrong...I just don't see it likely that Sylar and Claire had a kid together, and I don't see any reason to believe so.

[Sawyer]

I've got a theory on the kid. It might be a little out there, but...

The kid is HRG. Someone out there has the ability to alter the age of others and turns HRG into a newborn, that Sylar (for some reason) decides to take care of. Four years down the line, HRG believes Sylar to be his father and Sylar learns to love the kid like his own son.

[imdaly]

I've got a theory on the kid. It might be a little out there, but...

The kid is HRG. Someone out there has the ability to alter the age of others and turns HRG into a newborn, that Sylar (for some reason) decides to take care of. Four years down the line, HRG believes Sylar to be his father and Sylar learns to love the kid like his own son.

That's just a stupid idea.

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=15780908&postcount=282 ;) :D

[Sawyer]

That's just a stupid idea.

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=15780908&postcount=282 ;) :D

lol oops. Missed your post. :D

[imdaly]

That just makes it better. We both thought that independantly from each other. :) :up:

But yes, I can definitely see that happening.

[3 Dev Adam]

Why those descriptions never match the episode?

[badboy00z]

Why does future Peter have a scar and why is he dead? He was shot in the chest.

[3 Dev Adam]

Why people are still failing to see that Tim Kring is a one-trick-pony like Chris Carter and that Heroes already jumped the shark and we're only watching it out of pity?

[Gilpesh]

Why people are still failing to see that Tim Kring is a one-trick-pony like Chris Carter and that Heroes already jumped the shark and we're only watching it out of pity?

One-trick-pony? Nay...

Panderer to the lowest common denominator to make the show cool and 'awesome'? Yea...

Everyone should have seen it coming when their excuse of altering Pete's and Sylar's voices were "it was cool"...

[SuperT]

Why those descriptions never match the episode?

Because they release the descriptions up front, then sometimes go back and reedit the show to cut out points that end up not correlating or flowing with the story at hand.

They've been doing that since season one.

[RonStoppablefan]

Why does future Peter have a scar and why is he dead? He was shot in the chest.

Well Future Peter didn't heal from what I saw Haitan was there in the background. Peter can't use any powers with him there like he couldn't in Volume 2. We don't know if Peter has his powers, I'm pretty sure the producers confirmed he didn't.

[The Caped Knight]

Present Peter is sure racking up The power upgrade .I believe when Peter saves the World at the end of season 3 future Peter will return .

[Andreth]

Words can't describe how much I loved that ending, with Adam screaming at Hiro! :woot:

But I have to agree with Neptune, this whole 'hunger' thing doesn't sound very convincing, at least they made it interesting by making present-Peter get it.

I think Elle was the mom of little Noah.

[rdh007]

Lets see...

1) Sylar named the child after Claire's father

2) Sylar owned Claire's dog.

3) Claire said "This used to be mine," (in regards to the house Sylar was living in).

4) Sylar's whole, "I never meant to hurt you," speech towards her.

The implication was definitely there that Claire and Sylar hooked up.

Which is okay since Sylar isn't her uncle.

[Spidey17]

Yeah she is. For now, we have to assume, as lame as ity is, that Gabriel is a Petrelli. And I seriously doubt Claire and Sylar had a kid, he only took her life. Thsi is the first ep I actually enjoyed. And I love future Daphne, she makes present neck twitch Daphne look like ****. And I also loved Parkman following the turtle. That turtle has to be freaking out.

[badboy00z]

Well Future Peter didn't heal from what I saw Haitan was there in the background. Peter can't use any powers with him there like he couldn't in Volume 2. We don't know if Peter has his powers, I'm pretty sure the producers confirmed he didn't.

But the Haitian wasn't there when Nathan was talking to current Peter. Just how much range does the Haitian's power have?

[TheComicbookKid]

Just my personal observation.

Hayden and the guy playing Peter are the worst actors at playing evil. They just come off so lame. "keep your voice monotone,deep." Yeah, that's evil. Zachary Quinto is great. The guy can switch it on and off like a lightbulb.

[Neptune]

I don't know. I thought evil Claire was way hot. And it didn't seem fake to me.

[absonic93]

Peter's voice definately annoyed me. When he was talking to himself, the acting was immediately brought to my attention. The quick, low voice replies they'd throw at each other in rapid succession lol. The show still rocks though, but it just of made me laugh at that part.

[The Chris]

Just my personal observation.

Hayden and the guy playing Peter are the worst actors at playing evil. They just come off so lame. "keep your voice monotone,deep." Yeah, that's evil. Zachary Quinto is great. The guy can switch it on and off like a lightbulb.

Quinto has been MVP of season 3 so far. To take a villian so evil so far and make me root for him like he did in this past episode. Great work. Can't wait to see his spock.

[Gallagher]

I agree about being able to root for Sylar this past episode. When they killed Noah I was shocked and seeing Gabriel's eyes filled with pure hatred made me squeel like a ****ing fan girl... and I'm a heterosexual male. :dry:

[Captain_BluTac]

I gotta admit them killing Noah shocked me too, I can't remember seeing kids die on any American show other than Medium up until this.

[absonic93]

and of course the Barnie accident back in 1994............

The show was never the same after Suzie fell off the jungle gym............

[absonic93]

double post. my bee

[rdh007]

Quinto has been MVP of season 3 so far. To take a villian so evil so far and make me root for him like he did in this past episode. Great work. Can't wait to see his spock.

Agreed. I kept thinking, I hope he can rein it in for Spock.

[javphonic]

IDK if anyone asked this already, but

Why did Peter need permission to take Sylar's powers, doesn't he get them by being in his presence?

[javphonic]

[quote=Savage;15778873]LMAO @ Haitian getting smacked with a baking sheet. :woot:

that was my part lol, I was rollin

[Abaddon]

He already had them but I don't think he realized how to use them. Remember back in season 1 he had Claude teach him a bit.

I don't understand why Sylar didn't use his superhearing. And has he even used the power he got from that chick Angela fed to him?

[Cmill216]

I don't understand why Sylar didn't use his superhearing.

Supposedly, he lost everything but his telekinesis after the whole "getting stabbed and losing his abilities" thing.

[Abaddon]

but he used Ted and Isaac's powers in the future.:huh:

[Cmill216]

but he used Ted and Isaac's powers in the future.:huh:

*shrugs*

I don't know. That's what's been said, apparently. Though to argue the point, he could've re-acquired those powers from someone at any time within those four years.

[Abaddon]

that's such a copout.

[Cmill216]

Welcome to Heroes Season 3. :)

[Cmill216]

Oh, and it's nice to see you again.

[Abaddon]

Likewise, Numbah.

[Neptune]

but he used Ted and Isaac's powers in the future.:huh:

That's a different timeline. So he probably didn't lose his powers in that timeline.

[Eklypze]

idk I honestly do not remember it ever being stated on the show that Sylar lost his powers cept for tk and his base power

[Gilpesh]

idk I honestly do not remember it ever being stated on the show that Sylar lost his powers cept for tk and his base power

The writers who write the show said it... meaning... it's true. At least until they felt they had to change it.

[Abaddon]

That's a different timeline. So he probably didn't lose his powers in that timeline.

It's the same timeline, since we're supposed to believe that it's future of what we know as the present-day Heroesverse. They haven't gotten into alternate realities yet.