The Official Batman (1989) Thread

[El Payaso]

Who found Burton's commentary fun? I like when he made an impression of Jack Palace?

LOOOOOL

That was gold! :woot:

"Iiiiiiii.... have donnnnnne... more than... oooooonnnne hundred moviessss....." or something like that.

[cryptic name]

This is by far my favorite comic book movie, and one of my favorite movies of all time. Know it pretty much word for word.

[Two-Face]

LOOOOOL

That was gold! :woot:

"Iiiiiiii.... have donnnnnne... more than... oooooonnnne hundred moviessss....." or something like that.

Yeah that's the one. :funny:

[ALP]

How? Batman didn't appeal to the Joker to try and cure him before they kill each other. Batman did not try and kill the Joker in TKJ. Joker did not make any monologue or speech about how everyone is the same as him when pushed to the edge in B'89. Quite the opposite. Batman was out for revenge because Joker killed his parents.

How is this similar to TKJ's confrontation?
:doh:

You are right. They are absolutely nothing alike thematically. I was only thinking superficially- one on one in Joker's environment where he pulls out his gadgets and attempts to hurt Batman only to get his ass kicked and then have a chat, etc. Only superficially. I have not read it in a while but I believe thematically it is much more like the confrontation in TMWL.

[mongoose-mania]

Just finished watching the movie earlier, and I really love this movie. I do like Returns much more, but there's just something... legendary about this movie; I can't really explain it. And Jack Nicholson's Joker is incredible. He's got such a perfect laugh and brings so much to the character.

[El Payaso]

Just finished watching the movie earlier, and I really love this movie. I do like Returns much more, but there's just something... legendary about this movie; I can't really explain it. And Jack Nicholson's Joker is incredible. He's got such a perfect laugh and brings so much to the character.

To me it is like THE Batman story, THE tale. Batman as was conceived I 1939.

[RustyCage]

LOOOOOL

That was gold! :woot:

"Iiiiiiii.... have donnnnnne... more than... oooooonnnne hundred moviessss....." or something like that.

I remember that part, but I can't stop myself from hearing it in Bale's TDK voice in my head now. :funny:

[Team Andino]

It's been awhile since I've seen good old B89. No matter how long it's been re-watching it is always such a joy. I'll have to pop it in this weekend if I have the time.

[El Payaso]

I remember that part, but I can't stop myself from hearing it in Bale's TDK voice in my head now. :funny:

LOL :joker:

[The Joker]

Did anyone have any idea that Burton thinks this movie is boring? :wow:

Tim Burton stated, “I like parts of it, but the whole movie is mainly boring to me. It’s OK, but it was more of a cultural phenomenon than a great movie.”

Link: http://flickeringmyth.blogspot.com/2010/02/freakishly-clever-tim-burton-profile.html

I had no idea he felt this way. Does anyone know what he thinks of Returns?

[El Payaso]

Did anyone have any idea that Burton thinks this movie is boring? :wow:



Link: http://flickeringmyth.blogspot.com/2010/02/freakishly-clever-tim-burton-profile.html

I had no idea he felt this way. Does anyone know what he thinks of Returns?

I have no idea. But many artists look at their works and think it's the worst on Earth.

Directors might be interesting to interview about details and ideas they had while conceiving and/or making a movie, but they're the least person that should rate their own work. They're too close to it to have a unbiased opinion. Burton didn't have complete conmtrol and felt often pressurized to make Batman a successful blockbuster so he might feel a lot of that when watching the movie.

[Happy Jack]

D
I had no idea he felt this way. Does anyone know what he thinks of Returns?
I knew for a while that Burton wasn't much of a fan of it and I'm almost certain he likes Returns much more. It's obvious why, Batman was much more a studio picture while Returns was closer to Burton's own heart.

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

I don't find the movie to be boring in the least bit. However, the action is a bit flat. I'd say the Batmobile parts are the best and most exciting action sequences out of the whole movie.

[El Payaso]

I don't find the movie to be boring in the least bit. However, the action is a bit flat. I'd say the Batmobile parts are the best and most exciting action sequences out of the whole movie.

Strangely enough I still like the action in this movie. I mean, in spite of everything I've seen that looks and feels so much more modern and exciting.

The fight at the belfry for example is not only great but also a magnificent mixture of action and humour. The mix of the Joker's waltz and the big henchmen fighting Batman is excellent.

[The Joker]

I knew for a while that Burton wasn't much of a fan of it and I'm almost certain he likes Returns much more. It's obvious why, Batman was much more a studio picture while Returns was closer to Burton's own heart.

Well yeah, Returns is obviously more Burtonesque. But I had no idea he regarded the first movie as boring. I'm very surprised.

[The Joker]

Re-watched this last night on pretty Blu-Ray. Still a great movie. The only thing that makes it dated is those Prince songs.

[Team Andino]

I've recently gotten a HD tv finally and wanted to watch this on Blu-Ray on my PS3 but apparently the HD port on my PS3 doesn't work anymore so now after getting a taste of HD I now have to wait till I can either get it fixed or buy a new one:csad:

[Two-Face]

If you have the money I say buy new PS3, I did watch Burton ones on blu-ray it's so awesome especially Batman Returns looks amazing on 1080p.

[Team Andino]

If you have the money I say buy new PS3, I did watch Burton ones on blu-ray it's so awesome especially Batman Returns looks amazing on 1080p.
I plan on getting a new one, I just need to figure out how to transfer my data. I only last week got my 1st taste of how amazing HD an Blu-Ray is and now I've been brought back to normal settings:csad:. I need to figure out what's the best way to make these trade offs.

[Jeremy Dylan]

It's odd, in a way. I've grown up with the picture, and it become a classic while I wasn't looking. In many ways, it veers wildly from my conception of the characters and world, yet it still feels like the most successful comic-book adaptation to me. It works entirely on it's own merits, is surprisingly timeless (even with the Prince tunes) and has that rare combination of blockbuster spectacle and incredible intimacy.

Who could've predicted in 1989 that Tim Burton would be such a great action director (certainly I couldn't, having not been born yet)? There are a number of deftly handled fight scenes and set pieces, some of which have become mildly iconic ('I'm burning' is particularly seared into my memory).
One criticism has always bothered me regarding this movie. People denigrate Nicholson's performance by saying things like 'He's just playing Jack Nicholson like he does in all his other movies!'. Somewhat true, but that's because he was essentially playing The Joker in many other films. That's why he was such an obvious choice for all involved at the time. Plus, he bares a mild resemblance to the golden age Joker, as opposed to the lankier figure favoured by DC from the 70s onward.

Keaton was such a masterful piece of casting because so much of his performance comes through his eyes. If you're going to spend most of your film under a rubber cowl, you need to be able to project your emotional range through what's visible. The obvious way to play a superhero is a gruff yell, but Keaton dials it down to a whisper, which makes him seem all the more intense.
Elfman's score filters Hermannesque themes through a gothic sensibility and the result is perfect. Heroic and sinister all at once.

And the most crucial aspect of the film's success for me - these characters are believable adults. They all talk in a manner that seems natural - no stilted 'comic-book' dialogue here. The themes of the picture all emerge organically, yet there are some great 'on the nose' lines and moments - 'I have no wish to spend my remaining years grieving the loss of old friends. Or their sons.' / 'He's out there tonight. And I gotta go to work'.

The movie works because it combines the large-scale thrills of the Batplane silhouetting against the moon before barreling down on the Joker, set against a thunderous Elfman march, with the smaller-scale thrills of Bruce trying to come clean to Vicki in her apartment (one of my favourite scenes in any film).

I like watching these people, and want to spend two hours in their company. That's why I like BATMAN.

[GothamAlleys]

Does anyone know what he thinks of Returns?

On Returns commentary, which was recorded in 2005, he says he is still very proud of the movie and its very close to his heart

[GothamAlleys]

People denigrate Nicholson's performance by saying things like 'He's just playing Jack Nicholson like he does in all his other movies!'.

I always found their statement very untrue, generalizing and misinformed. About the only common trace I see in Jack's characters, and in only very few movies, is his devilish persona, like in Witches of Eastwick or Batman. And the same can be said about every actor and every director or musician - theres always a certain characteristics that they always carry on, and thats what makes them them. I fail to see how Jack's role in, for example, Prizzi's Honor, Chinatown or Wolf are in any way similar. There are big similarities between The Shining and Batman because they were intended - Jack's performance in The Shining was one of 2 reasons why Bob Kane wanted him for the job (the other being that he looked like Kane's Joker - same hairline, hair, pointy eyebrows), and if the performance for Joker is suppose to be based on a completely insane , axe wielding lunatic who has great fun killing, then count me in.

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

I saw a picture of a guy in a tattoo magazine today who had Nicholson's Joker on the top of his bald head.

[ALP]

I just recently watch this for the first time in a while. There are a few daft scenes such as Joker shooting down the batwing, and when the batwing actually goes down(the sound and effects in that aspect are mediocre). But overall, I was in awe at how strong this film stands up. Watching it over, I think I have a new found respect for Keaton's portrayal of Bruce Wayne and my two favorite scenes, at least in my latest viewing, were both about Keaton's character. The first is "descent into mystery." Not much else really needs to be said, almost no dialogue, Batman says nothing as he and Vale travel to the batcave. The music, the atmosphere, the batmobile, just perfect. The other favorite scene is his parent's death. It felt more like Bruce remembering than a complete portrayal of what actually happened. I loved how his parents did not speak a single word, nor did young Bruce. The very low-angle shots as they walk out of the theater, the only thing that can be heard before they are shot are their footsteps. It was poetic and sad.

And there are three lines in particular that tell us a great deal about Bruce Wayne, if not sum him up entirely.

1. Vicki: Excuse me, do you know which of these men is Bruce Wayne?
Bruce: Well I'm not sure.

2. Joker: Bruce Wayne, n'est-ce pas?
Bruce: Most of the time

3. Bruce: I do this because I need to. Because no one else will.

The first line is up to interpretation but the last two have clear firm meanings. Anyone want to give thoughts before I go on?

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

I love that third line listed. Bruce admits he just has to be Batman, otherwise he'd probably snap. Then he shows his view on Gotham City, a place where no one has either the courage or compassion to stand up against criminals.

[The Joker]

3. Bruce: I do this because I need to. Because no one else will.

The actual line was "Because nobody else can. Look I tried to avoid all this but I can't. This is how it is"

[ALP]

I love that third line listed. Bruce admits he just has to be Batman, otherwise he'd probably snap. Then he shows his view on Gotham City, a place where no one has either the courage or compassion to stand up against criminals.

The actual line was "Because nobody else can. Look I tried to avoid all this but I can't. This is how it is"

Thank you Joker.

This points out a direct contrast to Kilmer's Batman. Just looked up his line which was, "Poor Edward. I had to save them both. You see, I'm both Bruce Wayne and Batman, not because I have to be, now, because I choose to be."

One could argue that it was Bruce Wayne's progression from Burton's films to Schumacher's films however I can't see it that way b/c their interpretations were just so different. Even though there are the vague connections, they are completely different interpretations.

Exactly Bop, there's such a strange nature about Keaton's Wayne. It's like it wasn't his choice, he did not choose Batman but Batman chose him. It's as if there was a reckoning, he was summoned to be Batman which added to his over the edge nature of almost snapping at any point(You wonna get nuts!?). He was compelled to become the Batman. And it was something that consumed him. Other than an interest in Vicki Vale and later Selina Kyle, he almost has no life outside of that suit. Not b/c he's just a boring old hermit but just because he can't.

[GothamAlleys]

Well, Keaton's Batman is a Norman Bates kind of a type. He realy IS whacko and he DOES have split personality. "Sorry, I mistook me for someone else" comes to mind, but theres plenty of lines in Returns especially that confirm it

[returntovoid]

Well, Keaton's Batman is a Norman Bates kind of a type.

I think there's also a bit of Dirty Harry and Travis Bickle in Keaton's Batman as well besides Norman Bates.

In Batman 1989, Keaton came the closest to Bill Finger and Bob Kane's original 1939-1940 Batman, not surprising considering those comics were brought during the making of the film as reference. He also came very close to the Batman in 1986's The Dark Knight Returns by Frank Miller, I heard somewhere that Keaton was given that to read during the making of Batman Returns.

[Happy Jack]

He also came very close to the Batman in 1986's The Dark Knight Returns by Frank Miller, I heard somewhere that Keaton was given that to read during the making of Batman Returns.
I never saw much of the supposed DKR influence on Burton's films, except for the Waynes' murder, which is straight out of its depiction in the comic (with a few notable inclusions). Bruce's psychosis wasn't nearly as deeply explored, nor was Batman influence on the city at large.

[ALP]

Well, Keaton's Batman is a Norman Bates kind of a type. He realy IS whacko and he DOES have split personality. "Sorry, I mistook me for someone else" comes to mind, but theres plenty of lines in Returns especially that confirm it

I like his talk with Selina when they are in Wayne Manor.

That line is terrific, and I didn't quite get it until recently.

Like when Joker asks if he is Bruce Wayne and he says "most of the time."

And while I like Keaton's impromptu characterization, I also grow a bit weary to compare him to too many psychos. I admit I find it strange that at the end of BR, Selina is referring to them and says something to the effect of "the law doesn't apply to people like us." And Batman tells her, "wrong on both accounts." Reason I found this strange is because Keaton readily broke the law. Being a vigilante is passable but he is also a clear cut killer. Maybe he just didn't want Catwoman following his path?

And least we not forget the terrific idea of Bruce Wayne entering the bat cave via an iron maiden. A "tortured soul" both literally and figuratively.

To me the single weakest part about Keaton's Wayne was how readily he was to let Vale know he was Batman. I mean he goes on a few dates and he's ready to spill the beans? The same mistake is also made in Batman Forever. It just doesn't jive. Wayne, especially in Burton's movies should be far too introverted for that. At least Vale does say she doesn't understand why he won't let her in. That's why the relationship with Selina in Returns is far superior. Because it was reluctant and nor was he just willing at any time to let her know his secret, it happened by accident.

Anyway my favorite image of them all is in Returns, the first scene with Bruce Wayne. He's in his study, the lights are off and there is only deafening silence. And then the bat-signal turns on and he has found his one and only purpose in life. That simple dialog free scene conveys a very important message about the character. The more time passes the more I love this psychologically compelling Wayne.

[ALP]

I never saw much of the supposed DKR influence on Burton's films, except for the Waynes' murder, which is straight out of its depiction in the comic (with a few notable inclusions). Bruce's psychosis wasn't nearly as deeply explored, nor was Batman influence on the city at large.

Bruce's psychosis wasn't explored in numerous flashbacks but we certainly get to understand who he is. It's just conveyed in other ways. As I said in the previous post. The fact that he mistakes himself for being in the costume when he is out of the costume. He enters an iron maiden. He has no one besides Alfred. He refers to himself as Bruce Wayne only some of the time. He sits in Wayne Manor alone patiently awaiting when to suit up. Truthfully, I felt Keaton's Wayne was far more traumatized than Bale's Wayne. Or at least Keaton wasn't as sure about himself. He even says in B'89 that being Batman isn't a choice but he is compelled to do it. He feels as if he has to. Unlike Bale and Kilmer who defined being Batman as a choice, the path they wanted. These things tell us great amounts about Wayne in Burton's world.

Also it is important to note that Bruce in B'89 and Returns is not a socialite. The most he does is host a gala and even then, he tries to hide among the crowd and refuses to even answer to Bruce Wayne lol. This is indeed a drastic change of the Wayne of the comics. One important thing is that Keaton's Wayne is not the Donald Trump of Gotham like Bale or the more traditional comic book Wayne is. Most people in Gotham were only vaguly familiar with the name Bruce Wayne in B'89. There was no Wayne Enterprise at all. It seemed like his money just came from old family wealth. This allowed him to be a hermit stuck in Wayne manor instead of a socialite that the newspapers wanted to print about.

[GothamAlleys]

Also it is important to note that Bruce in B'89 and Returns is not a socialite. The most he does is host a gala and even then, he tries to hide among the crowd and refuses to even answer to Bruce Wayne lol. This is indeed a drastic change of the Wayne of the comics. One important thing is that Keaton's Wayne is not the Donald Trump of Gotham like Bale or the more traditional comic book Wayne is. Most people in Gotham were only vaguly familiar with the name Bruce Wayne in B'89. There was no Wayne Enterprise at all. It seemed like his money just came from old family wealth. This allowed him to be a hermit stuck in Wayne manor instead of a socialite that the newspapers wanted to print about.

This is most likely because he doesnt need to act this way. He doesnt need help by playing a dumb spoiled rich kid to avoid suspicions, nobody even thinks that Batman may be some wealthy millionaire. Bale's Wayne had to do it because he JUST appeared at the same time as Batman. Bruce Wayne back form the dead and then suddenly Batman appears

As a side note, I just recently found one quote from the late Bob Kane from 1989. As with almost everything, Burton's Bat world and Bat characters reflect Kane's very closely. Anyway, it seems like Keaton's Batman is even more psycho than we think, here the quote:When Bruce Wayne was 10 years old, his mother and dad were murdered coming out of the theater. This dramatic shock motivated him to become a vigilante. became, in his own way, as psychotic as the Joker, except the Joker fights against justice and for evil. They're mirror images of each other.

Michael Keaton has an edge about him. (...) [He] has a maniacal quality that Nicholson has, the same craziness going on in the eyes. (People, 1989)

Anyway, I of course agree with your last 2 posts. Its apparent that Keaton's Batman was really someone like Norman Bates, a little psycho and with split personality, with the difference that he remembers it all.

[Bat-Mite]

I never saw much of the supposed DKR influence on Burton's films, except for the Waynes' murder, which is straight out of its depiction in the comic (with a few notable inclusions). Bruce's psychosis wasn't nearly as deeply explored, nor was Batman influence on the city at large.It's been a couple of years since I read DKR, so I don't know how much it could have influenced Burton's movie, but Burton did borrow the holographic entrance to the batcave from it.

http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/2287/hologramwall.jpg

[Cain]

The actual line was "Because nobody else can. Look I tried to avoid all this but I can't. This is how it is"

I absolutely love that line. Especially because of Keaton's delivery. That's what makes it one of my favorite Batman moments in all media. It's just such a secure affirmation on his part and his tone is completely reflective of it all.

One could argue that it was Bruce Wayne's progression from Burton's films to Schumacher's films however I can't see it that way b/c their interpretations were just so different.


LOL you covered yourself nicely there ha ha touche. That is what it is though cause it's still a sequel to the two movies before it. Yeah it revamped certain elements but the narrative still remained. When you look at his arc through all 3 movies it makes complete sense.

1) He feels engulfed by the trauma of his life and has an obsessive obligation to prevent this from ever happening to anyone again. (same principle as comic book Batman but this is a movie so that's neither here nor there)

2) He's so burdened by what he has become after taking on The Joker that his soul could not get any bleaker. He is lost within the monster he created from the guilt he felt of his parents' murder. Finds a glimmer a hope in Selina which is why he is so willing to leave it all behind to be happy with her. However due to her being a victim of the same psychological circumstance it's just not meant to be.

3) So this is why he is so adamant about Dick not taking on Two-Face. He sees what that has done not only to him but in his mirror image that was Selina Kyle. He doesn't wish that on anybody else. Being Batman is a curse to him at this point but he really doesn't know how to be anything else. Then he comes to grips with his psychological demons & realizes the guilt he always felt for his parents' murder was dumbfounded. So he finally is reborn psychologically & makes the conscious choice to remain Batman out of his own will.

It's a very nice arc when you consider the themes explored in all 3 films. I just wish it all would've been handled by Burton so that it could gel even better. Nevertheless it still very much fits as a complete narrative so definitely as you said "arguable". Though in my opinion it's just flat out evident. B&R fits into all this as well it shows what happenes to him as a person when all the grief was finally gone. Not saying it was good but it actually did develop well from where Forever left him in terms of his character.

[ALP]

Terrific post, and I do agree that is it very fair to see it as a progression. However I am able to argue against it because Schumacher changed so many things. Had Schumacher kept the same tone then we wouldn't even be having this dicussion. But that was not the case. Why did Bruce suddenly become a socialite in Batman Forever? Why was the press begging to know who he would be taking to the Gotham gala events? How did he manage within the frame of BR to BF create Wayne Enterprise, a massive conglomerate? Wayne Enterprise was absolutely no where to be found in Burton's films. Basically Schumacher took one thematic element of the previous incarnation of the character yet completely changed everything else. Schumacher was simply picking and choosing. So if he was able to pick and choose what to ignore then so are we as the audience.

I prefer to view Burton to Schumacher as only vague. Conversely, one problem I do have with BF comparing it to B'89 is just how close it is. It's actually too repetitious when it comes to coverage of themes relating to Bruce Wayne. On the bonus material I believe it is Sam Hamm that said he wanted B'89 to be a story that asked what if Batman is a solitary creature of the night but one day finds the right woman whom he can tell his secrets to, and how would that change his life. Sound familiar? Batman Forever used the same story. As I also mentioned in a previous post, in both films Batman goes on a handful of dates at most and is already willing to spill his secret to a woman he barely knows. The films are both too close and too far apart!

However I do not feel the themes were strongly explored in BF as they could have been. Although the giant bat was daft, I really loved the scene where Bruce wanders into the cave and finds his father's diary. It added a lot to the character but alas, Schumacher had to cut out one of the best scenes. And the giant bat was way too much. It was symbolic but just overkill. It should have been the same small bat that young Bruce encounters, that would have been perfect. And there's another good scene that was cut involving Bruce explaining his fear of bats to Alfred. Had these scenes made it into the film, it would have been much stronger. But the other flashbacks that did stay in BF were well done. Schumacher was the first director to portray the scene of Bruce falling into the hole and in a way I think he did it better than Nolan because Schumacher did it very symbolically. Like I said, Schumacher even explored Bruce's fears but in the end amounted to little because he had to cut out some of the best scenes.

Indeed, things would be far more clear had Burton made a third film. Instead Schumacher made the puzzle fall apart because the interpretations are so different. And I simply must say, had Burton made BF I doubt he would have re-treaded over the idea of Batman immediately telling a woman he's Batman. I love the idea of Keaton's Wayne who feels compelled to be Batman. Knowing Tim Burton, he would not have idealized Batman and make it his "heroic choice." Ugh, I'm typing too much now.

And I also agree with your last post Cameron. I thought the thing about Batman first appearing while Wayne returned to Gotham was handled very well by Nolan.

[returntovoid]

I admit I find it strange that at the end of BR, Selina is referring to them and says something to the effect of "the law doesn't apply to people like us." And Batman tells her, "wrong on both accounts." Reason I found this strange is because Keaton readily broke the law. Being a vigilante is passable but he is also a clear cut killer. Maybe he just didn't want Catwoman following his path?

He did fall in love with her but he also saw a reflection of himself in her. For example.... at the end of Batman 1989, Batman killed The Joker for revenge but that made him feel worse because in Batman Returns he becomes more consumed by the monster within himself as he took more pleasure killing criminals in the beginning of the film where he burns that guy in devil suit, straps the bomb around the strongman and shoots the spear gun into the clowns head. So he saw that Selina Kyle/Catwoman was another psychologically damaged person like him out for revenge, so he attempts to stop her from killing Max Shrek by suggesting that he gets apprehended and this was Batman's way of protecting her from getting consumed by revenge the same way that he did after killing The Joker. Batman also thought that this was his chance at redeeming himself.

Even if was not clearly stated, I think that obviously explains his sudden refusal at killing Max Shrek. I mean, Burton doesn't need to explain so much as Nolan does.

[returntovoid]

double post

[Spider-Aziz]

This movies was, and still is my favorite movie, whether it may be live action or animated, superhero or not

The Punisher movie of the same year has a great homage to it:
Yakuza Leader: "Who sent you?"
Tied up Frank Castle: "BATMAN"
:awesome:

I didn't mind Batman killing here, I think it adds up to the film value, especially the bell tower fights and Axis factory scene with the Batmobile

Best Batman suit I ever laid eyes on

Respect it a lot for the great manga story by Kia Asmiya, who became a Batman fan because of this movie

http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/2374/jokerrittssmall2jw4.jpg

This is the only complaint I might give the movie, his pants, I wish they made them uni-colored instead of these ugly pants

[El Payaso]

He did fall in love with her but he also a reflection of himself in her. For example.... at the end of Batman 1989, Batman killed The Joker for revenge but that made him feel worse because in Batman Returns he becomes more consumed by the monster within himself as he took more pleasure killing criminals in the beginning of the film where he burns that guy in devil suit, straps the bomb around the strongman and shoots the spear gun into the clowns head. So he saw that Selina Kyle/Catwoman was another psychologically damaged person like him out for revenge, so he attempts to stop her from killing Max Shrek by suggesting that he gets apprehended and this was Batman's way of protecting her from getting consumed by revenge the same way that he did after killing The Joker. Batman also thought that this was his chance at redeeming himself.

Even if was not clearly stated, I think that obviously explains his sudden refusal at killing Max Shrek. I mean, Burton doesn't need to explain so much as Nolan does.

I agree with everything but please, that devil-man was not killed.

[ALP]

He did fall in love with her but he also a reflection of himself in her. For example.... at the end of Batman 1989, Batman killed The Joker for revenge but that made him feel worse because in Batman Returns he becomes more consumed by the monster within himself as he took more pleasure killing criminals in the beginning of the film where he burns that guy in devil suit, straps the bomb around the strongman and shoots the spear gun into the clowns head. So he saw that Selina Kyle/Catwoman was another psychologically damaged person like him out for revenge, so he attempts to stop her from killing Max Shrek by suggesting that he gets apprehended and this was Batman's way of protecting her from getting consumed by revenge the same way that he did after killing The Joker. Batman also thought that this was his chance at redeeming himself.

Even if was not clearly stated, I think that obviously explains his sudden refusal at killing Max Shrek. I mean, Burton doesn't need to explain so much as Nolan does.
Very nicely said:up::up:

It really wasn't even until recently that I began putting together the connecting themes of B'89 to BR. It does present a nice arc for Bruce Wayne that I hadn't previously noticed.


I didn't mind Batman killing here, I think it adds up to the film value, especially the bell tower fights and Axis factory scene with the Batmobile

Best Batman suit I ever laid eyes on


I think there is a potential big problem with Batman blowing up the axis factory. And it is that innocent people could have been in there. Joker used the factory to mass produce his chemicals and he could have been forcing normal workers to do his bidding. Such as the old man who Joker asked, "have you shipped a million of those things." Now was that old man a Joker minion or was he an innocent factory worker being forced to work for Joker? However there is a good solution to that and Batman can be given the benefit of the doubt because he blew up the factory during the night when all of the factory workers would have gone home. So I guess it's not a big problem after all, but those are just possibilities. Like Cain said, I'm answering my own questions lol but my post are always more like thoughts in motion.

Anyway I think the B'89 suit is decent but I always thought it was a bit too clunky. Especially the cowl around the mouth, it was ill fitting. The Returns suit is my favorite, it was far more stream line, form fitting, and I just loved the mechanical platting.

This is the only complaint I might give the movie, his pants, I wish they made them uni-colored instead of these ugly pants
In the original '89 documentary on the film Bob Ringwood shows off the different designs and clothes Jack wore in the film and he said that he originally designed pinstripe pants for the Joker but it was Jack who wanted purple/blue plaid pants.



I agree with everything but please, that devil-man was not killed.

Really we don't know that for sure. He could have survived but he also could have died from 1st or 3rd degree burns(whichever is worse). But anyway I thought the scene itself was terrific. Batman setting the devil on fire. I'm sure Burton thought of it as a visual metaphor of some sort. Just like Bruce entering the iron maiden and Catwoman's suit being stitched together. People say Burton is style over substance but all of these type of things have nice symbolic meaning.

[El Payaso]

Really we don't know that for sure. He could have survived but he also could have died from 1st or 3rd degree burns(whichever is worse). But anyway I thought the scene itself was terrific. Batman setting the devil on fire. I'm sure Burton thought of it as a visual metaphor of some sort. Just like Bruce entering the iron maiden and Catwoman's suit being stitched together. People say Burton is style over substance but all of these type of things have nice symbolic meaning.

Thing is the guy could have easily roll over the snow and saved himself. He seemed like throwing himself onto the floor in the last second. He doesn't deserve to be in the dead list.

[returntovoid]

I never saw much of the supposed DKR influence on Burton's films

The scene in Batman Returns, where Keaton's Batman is fighting the Red Triangle gang inside his Batmobile, there he has this very cynical expression on his face like Dirty Harry and DKR Batman. Then the later scene when the sparks go off the bomb on the strongman, he gives a sadistic smirk. Keaton's Batman was as obsessed, brooding and crazy as DKR Batman. Frank Miller was obviously influenced by Clint Eastwood's Dirty Harry when writing DKR. Eastwood's acting style usually relies more emphasis on expression rather than dialogue, the same kind of acting approach Keaton took to playing Batman. I think Tim Burton's Batman characterization is a mish-mash of 1939-1940 incarnation and 1986 DKR incarnation.

[GothamAlleys]

Thing is the guy could have easily roll over the snow and saved himself. He seemed like throwing himself onto the floor in the last second. He doesn't deserve to be in the dead list.

The official topps cards say he was killed

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a277/lovegunner/Batman/certaindoom.jpg

"Certain Doom"

[The Joker]

Ah the topps cards, I fondly remember collecting them. I still have my Batman Returns sticker album, too.

[ChocheTheHero]

Guys, give me a full list of people who Batman killed in the movies :D

[El Payaso]

The official topps cards say he was killed

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a277/lovegunner/Batman/certaindoom.jpg

"Certain Doom"

This is the moment when we remember that novelizations and such other versions of the movie didn't necessarily happen in the movie.

[Fudgie]

This is the moment when we remember that novelizations and such other versions of the movie didn't necessarily happen in the movie.

It has more credibility than your assertion that he could have lived.

[returntovoid]

give me a full list of people who Batman killed in the movies

Check this blog post by user jamesCameronOnl (http://forums.superherohype.com/member.php?u=80444), the user that posted the topps card above.

http://gothamalleys.blogspot.com/2010/11/killer-batman.html

He gives a thorough view into the on-screen kills of Batman in the films.

[El Payaso]

It has more credibility than your assertion that he could have lived.

Why? Because it's printed?

He feels the cold snow under his feet but he doesn't think of rolling over it to put out the fire?

[The Joker]

I always though it was obvious the flame thrower died. There's nothing to suggest otherwise. What were they going to do, show him burn to death in agony? The movie was already pushing the envelope with violence.

[El Payaso]

As I said, he could have easily saved himself instead of just running forever.

I'm not sire but I don't think people's first instinct when on fire is to run instead of rolling over the floor, which is a very well known thing to do. Even if there's no helpful layer of snow over the floor.

[Travesty]

As I said, he could have easily saved himself instead of just running forever.

I'm not sire but I don't think people's first instinct when on fire is to run instead of rolling over the floor, which is a very well known thing to do. Even if there's no helpful layer of snow over the floor.Or maybe he tried to roll over, and didn't realize that he went right into the store that Batman just lit up, which is full of stuffed animals. That, or the news stand that he was next to, as well. :oldrazz:

But like Joker said, I just took it that he died. :cwink:

[El Payaso]

No,we can see him running in a different direction. Now there have been people who after a couple of minutes end up severaly burnt but not dead. Iw onder if this guy just ran for 3 or 4 minutes without instinctively throw himself onto the floor. One case or the other we didn't see him die.

[ALP]

Well El Pay does make a point. He could have stopped dropped and rolled in the snow. We just don't know for sure.

But it doesn't make any difference either. It's not like we are discussing Kilmer and Bale's Batman who did not murder yet we're looking for an instance or loop hole where they did. Keaton readily killed.

[GothamAlleys]

He burned for quite a while and then started running. For the time that he was burning, he was definitely already badly burnt and it would still take time (and strength) to roll enough to take the fire down. The guy was one huge flame, burning face and all. He was already panicking and running around from pain, so I doubt he came to his senses and had enough strength in his burnt body to drop down and continuously roll over until the fire is extinguished

[Hobgoblin]

I like his talk with Selina when they are in Wayne Manor.

That line is terrific, and I didn't quite get it until recently.

Like when Joker asks if he is Bruce Wayne and he says "most of the time."

And while I like Keaton's impromptu characterization, I also grow a bit weary to compare him to too many psychos. I admit I find it strange that at the end of BR, Selina is referring to them and says something to the effect of "the law doesn't apply to people like us." And Batman tells her, "wrong on both accounts." Reason I found this strange is because Keaton readily broke the law. Being a vigilante is passable but he is also a clear cut killer. Maybe he just didn't want Catwoman following his path?

And least we not forget the terrific idea of Bruce Wayne entering the bat cave via an iron maiden. A "tortured soul" both literally and figuratively.

To me the single weakest part about Keaton's Wayne was how readily he was to let Vale know he was Batman. I mean he goes on a few dates and he's ready to spill the beans? The same mistake is also made in Batman Forever. It just doesn't jive. Wayne, especially in Burton's movies should be far too introverted for that. At least Vale does say she doesn't understand why he won't let her in. That's why the relationship with Selina in Returns is far superior. Because it was reluctant and nor was he just willing at any time to let her know his secret, it happened by accident.

Anyway my favorite image of them all is in Returns, the first scene with Bruce Wayne. He's in his study, the lights are off and there is only deafening silence. And then the bat-signal turns on and he has found his one and only purpose in life. That simple dialog free scene conveys a very important message about the character. The more time passes the more I love this psychologically compelling Wayne.
I think these two are connected. He's all alone in this huge mansion with only his elderly butler as any sort of human contact. Alfred makes the observation himself while in the cave. "I have no desire to spend my few remaining years grieving for old friends. Or their sons." Alfred wont be around forever and when he does pass, Bruce will be utterly alone. Alfred also makes note that he feels "a certain weight lift when she (Vicki) enters the room." I think that Bruce trying to tell Vicki that he is Batman was his clueless attempt at connecting with someone. It was also a desperate attempt at a semi normal life with someone he actually got close to.

[ALP]

That is a very good point Hobby:up:

[GothamAlleys]

I also always personally felt that it was just that something that you cant describe, which both Bruce and Alfred felt - they both felt that shes exceptional and that shes truly sincere and intelligent, not like other bimbos. And Hobgoblin's explanation is very good too, considering the line" if not now...then when?"

[El Payaso]

He burned for quite a while and then started running. For the time that he was burning, he was definitely already badly burnt and it would still take time (and strength) to roll enough to take the fire down. The guy was one huge flame, burning face and all. He was already panicking and running around from pain, so I doubt he came to his senses and had enough strength in his burnt body to drop down and continuously roll over until the fire is extinguished

Well he wouldn't have needed a lot of rolling since there was a thick layer of snow there. And it's not as much coming to your senses as it is about instinct.

Now if we try to reach an actual point here we could talk about Batman's intention when he set that man on fire.

[GothamAlleys]

Well it was a sadistic joke on his part. He could just drive him over but chose to "fight fire with fire". Ha! Thats the black humor of Burton's movies

[returntovoid]

I think these two are connected. He's all alone in this huge mansion with only his elderly butler as any sort of human contact. Alfred makes the observation himself while in the cave. "I have no desire to spend my few remaining years grieving for old friends. Or their sons." Alfred wont be around forever and when he does pass, Bruce will be utterly alone. Alfred also makes note that he feels "a certain weight lift when she (Vicki) enters the room." I think that Bruce trying to tell Vicki that he is Batman was his clueless attempt at connecting with someone. It was also a desperate attempt at a semi normal life with someone he actually got close to.

Great point but she also had suspicions already that he was hiding something like when she followed him in the car, watching him leave two roses in the alley where his parents died then he acts like he doesn't know her when they run into each other. Then later she asks Knox what so special about that alley, then he finds out for her that Bruce Wayne's parent were killed there as well as showing the old picture of young Bruce from that night where he has this disturbed expression as she whispers "That look on his face", as if suggesting it's uncanny to an expression that he usually has in his Batman/private Bruce identity.

[Travesty]

Well El Pay does make a point. He could have stopped dropped and rolled in the snow. We just don't know for sure.
Yes, and Bob The Goon probably held his gun shot wound tight, until he could seek proper medical attention, had a blood transfusion, got stitched up, and is back in action.

I mean, we didn't really see him take his last breath, so anything could have happened.:dry:

In the context of the movie, it's to be assumed that they died.

[ALP]

Yes, and Bob The Goon probably held his gun shot wound tight, until he could seek proper medical attention, had a blood transfusion, got stitched up, and is back in action.

I mean, we didn't really see him take his last breath, so anything could have happened.:dry:

In the context of the movie, it's to be assumed that they died.

You really really don't know how hard your first line had me laughing...

:funny::funny::funny::lmao::lmao::lmao:

I suppose it's possible!

[El Payaso]

Yes, and Bob The Goon probably held his gun shot wound tight, until he could seek proper medical attention, had a blood transfusion, got stitched up, and is back in action.

I mean, we didn't really see him take his last breath, so anything could have happened.:dry:

In the context of the movie, it's to be assumed that they died.

No, you just did.

A bullet shot so close to you kills you. Fire doesn't have to be immediately lethal.

[Travesty]

No, you just did.

A bullet shot so close to you kills you. Fire doesn't have to be immediately lethal.Ha, you don't know where he was shot. I've known of people getting shot point blank, and have survived.

But I guess you're missing the point......

[El Payaso]

Ha, you don't know where he was shot. I've known of people getting shot point blank, and have survived.

But I guess you're missing the point......

That without medical help Bob died? And that there was no medical help around because everyone was running away? Whereas the devil-man had the snow literally at his feet to save himself?

[Travesty]

That without medical help Bob died? And that there was no medical help around because everyone was running away? :doh: Of course there wasn't any medical help, cause Bob died, just like the Devilman.

We can just agree to disagree on this one, cause I'm not gonna drag this one out.....

[ALP]

Well I think your theory is valid.

Burton should have made Bob the goon transform into Scarecrow in Batman 3, seeking revenge on the real Joker because the one Batman killed was only a clone...or a robot, whichever you prefer! Bob the goon was pasty and skinny afterall.

[El Payaso]

:doh: Of course there wasn't any medical help, cause Bob died, just like the Devilman.

Devilman had his 'help.' A big thick layer of snow right there under his feet that you decided to ignore.

[ALP]

I remember for a while I thought there was a shot in B'89 that showed someone picking up dollar bills off the ground during the parade and the bills had Joker's face on them. Going with his "My face on the one dollar bill" idea. For the longest time I was certain I saw this in B'89. But low and behold, I wasn't making it up...it's not in the film but it is in the comic book adaptation.

[El Payaso]

I remember for a while I thought there was a shot in B'89 that showed someone picking up dollar bills off the ground during the parade and the bills had Joker's face on them. Going with his "My face on the one dollar bill" idea. For the longest time I was certain I saw this in B'89. But low and behold, I wasn't making it up...it's not in the film but it is in the comic book adaptation.

Yeah, in the movie you can see regular bills.

Funnily enough I can see the parade thing very much like what Ledger's Joker had in mind. Both used the money not to buy things but to 'send a message': people would kill other people and/or themselves out of greed. They're all corruptible.

Nicholson's Joker also sent another message: those who adore stereotypical beauty will die the first.

[GothamAlleys]

I remember for a while I thought there was a shot in B'89 that showed someone picking up dollar bills off the ground during the parade and the bills had Joker's face on them. Going with his "My face on the one dollar bill" idea. For the longest time I was certain I saw this in B'89. But low and behold, I wasn't making it up...it's not in the film but it is in the comic book adaptation.

Im 99% sure they ARE fake bills with Joker's face on them. Its in the adaptation but I also saw some movie props from the film and there was the Joker bill among them. Wish I had a link to the picture to prove it

[I Am The Knight]

Well he wouldn't have needed a lot of rolling since there was a thick layer of snow there. And it's not as much coming to your senses as it is about instinct.

Now if we try to reach an actual point here we could talk about Batman's intention when he set that man on fire.

Well, he set a man on fire. What exactly did he think was going to happen? :oldrazz:

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

Now if we try to reach an actual point here we could talk about Batman's intention when he set that man on fire.
I think it was more or less, "******* likes fire? I'll give him some fire."

[El Payaso]

Well, he set a man on fire. What exactly did he think was going to happen? :oldrazz:

The same as when Batman threw a man off a third floor: a lot of physical damage but not death? :yay:

[RustyCage]

The same as when Batman threw a man off a third floor: a lot of physical damage but not death? :yay:

Hopefully. :funny:

But.. what about the guy he strapped an active bomb to and knocked into a hole to explode, smiling?

I love how Batman's 'lethal' moments in Returns are ironic responses to the pathetic efforts the thugs make to kill him. Such a fun guy.

[El Payaso]

Hopefully. :funny:

But.. what about the guy he strapped an active bomb to and knocked into a hole to explode, smiling?

In THAT case it was death or deadly damage. :up:


I love how Batman's 'lethal' moments in Returns are ironic responses to the pathetic efforts the thugs make to kill him. Such a fun guy.

I loved that he smiled before. :)

[CConn]

Yes, and Bob The Goon probably held his gun shot wound tight, until he could seek proper medical attention, had a blood transfusion, got stitched up, and is back in action.

I mean, we didn't really see him take his last breath, so anything could have happened.:dry:

In the context of the movie, it's to be assumed that they died.
Actually, when TNT shows Batman 89, they cut the scene where Bob the Goon is shot. Which means in an alternate pocket movie dimension, Bob lives on in good health.

[Ponyboy]

I'm a HUGE Burton fan...

I'm a huge Keaton fan...

I'm a huge Nicholson fan...

I'm a huge Elfman fan...

Plus it a childhood movie.... Needless to say... I LOVE IT! :woot::brucebat:

Amen. Couldn't have said it better myself. Batman was the first movie I saw and became obsessed with... I was just about to turn 11 years old when it came out. I still remember how nuts it was back then... all my buddies at school were crazy with Bat-mania too.

[The Batman]

.....after watching Green Hornet, I am even more greatful for this film than i was before....because WB could've totally decided to make it a joke like GH was, giving in to the perception that the character was a joke.

[bane]

Best scene ever in any movie, and that's a FACT!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGAKYVGuPqE

[Ponyboy]

Yeah that scene is great. The visuals and the music come together and really make for some intense movie magic ;)

[ALP]

Descent into mystery. Beautiful on every level.

[Ponyboy]

Here's a great Keaton & Burton interview from 1989 that I'd never seen before...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruJ3mq6CrLc

[Two-Face]

Descent into mystery. Beautiful on every level.

nGAKYVGuPqE


Oh yeah this is my favourite scene as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGAKYVGuPqE

[El Payaso]

Best scene ever in any movie, and that's a FACT!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGAKYVGuPqE

Absolutely. I mean, so many scenes in this movie screams Batman all the way.

This one, the moment where Batman is first scene and he spreads his cape-wings, the whole Batwing sequence, Batman walking up to the cathedral, etc.

Everytime Batman is on screen, everything screams Batman. His presence, the music etc, everything is absolutely perfect.

[ALP]

Here's a great Keaton & Burton interview from 1989 that I'd never seen before...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruJ3mq6CrLc

Nice, thanks!

Absolutely. I mean, so many scenes in this movie screams Batman all the way.

This one, the moment where Batman is first scene and he spreads his cape-wings, the whole Batwing sequence, Batman walking up to the cathedral, etc.

Everytime Batman is on screen, everything screams Batman. His presence, the music etc, everything is absolutely perfect.

Tim Burton set the bar and over 20 years later has yet to be passed in terms of superhero iconography.

[Ponyboy]

Nice, thanks!



haha... yeah I like Keaton's explanation of why they are wearing sunglasses

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

Here's a great Keaton & Burton interview from 1989 that I'd never seen before...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruJ3mq6CrLc

Oh awesome find Ive never seen this, thanks!

[Ponyboy]

here's a pic i've never seen... Keaton on set in 1988 with Mary Vogt

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2741/4140647826_3b3c8f880b_b.jpg

[Ponyboy]

Got this wicked '89 era logo T-shirt from a cool guy on eBay. The shirt was $18.99 (USD) plus shipping. I can give you the link if any of you guys are interested. The area around the Bat is a very bright yellow (camera made ugly yellow) ;)

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5220/5536808494_862bbdaf55.jpg

[GothamAlleys]

Very cool

[Travesty]

That t-shirt is so incredibly badass. PM sent, Ponyboy. ;)

[Ponyboy]

PM returned! Enjoy :)

[Ponyboy]

I found this really interesting to read, for all you gun lovers!

http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Batman

[I Am The Knight]

^^Kewl!

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

I have that logo tattooed really big on my arm so if I was to get a shirt with the same iconic chest symbol worn by ketaon it would have to be bigger.

[Travesty]

I have that logo tattooed really big on my arm so if I was to get a shirt with the same iconic chest symbol worn by ketaon it would have to be bigger.Pic?:yay:

[Ponyboy]

I have that logo tattooed really big on my arm so if I was to get a shirt with the same iconic chest symbol worn by ketaon it would have to be bigger.

I actually prefer the shirt the way it is, without a "giant" sized bat on the front like your typical Batman shirts. The logo on the shirt seems to be about the same size as the actual emblem on the costume.

[Reevz666]

That's not Mary Vogt in the pic it's Vin Burham ..she was the woman who sculpted the batsuit


here's a pic i've never seen... Keaton on set in 1988 with Mary Vogt

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2741/4140647826_3b3c8f880b_b.jpg

[Ponyboy]

WHoops, that's actually Vin Burnham. I dunno why I wrote Mary Vogt.

By the way, thanks for offering the correct name when you pointed out I was wrong. :cwink:

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

cool pic either way pony

[Marx]

Got this wicked '89 era logo T-shirt from a cool guy on eBay. The shirt was $18.99 (USD) plus shipping. I can give you the link if any of you guys are interested. The area around the Bat is a very bright yellow (camera made ugly yellow) ;)

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5220/5536808494_862bbdaf55.jpg

The shirt is cool...but I'm distracted by the Keaton Batman Bust behind you! Where did you get that!?! :wow:

[Ponyboy]

Hey Marx, it's not a bust, it's a urethane mask taken from one of the original Batman Returns molds. I have friends in low places. Or is that high places? :cwink:

[theman]

http://img541.imageshack.us/img541/4180/350xbatmankeatoncolormi.jpg (http://img541.imageshack.us/i/350xbatmankeatoncolormi.jpg/)
Uploaded with ImageShack.us (http://imageshack.us)

[Ponyboy]

found this today... have never seen one in the glossy style (the way all the original ones from '89 were I think)... Anyway... 99.9% of them just said "Nicholson - Keaton" at the top... this one has their full names. Very unusual... at least I never have seen one like this before.

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5256/5584587618_6e3979665a.jpg

[Team Andino]

I absolutely love that poster, I really need to make a point and buy one.

[Guhndoi]

That poster is awesome. So shiny.

[Ponyboy]

It's got a really unusual smell too... i guess from the gloss. It looks brand new. I can't believe it's over 20 years old now :wow:

[GothamAlleys]

I love that poster and logo. It fits so much, its like "golden oldie" or a "golden classic"

[Marx]

Hey Marx, it's not a bust, it's a urethane mask taken from one of the original Batman Returns molds. I have friends in low places. Or is that high places? :cwink:

Well...I am definitely envious!

[theman]

i just bought my own B89 poster recently, been dieing to get one for a looong time. i also got the poster for indiana jones: temple of doom the same day. i framed them both i love the B89 one! its just so iconic and awsome. this is the "teaser" version. no letters, just the symbol and date.

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/7421/001omw.jpg (http://img12.imageshack.us/i/001omw.jpg/)
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[Marx]

Very nice! :up:

[Ponyboy]

i just bought my own B89 poster recently, been dieing to get one for a looong time.

OOoo that one is really nice too.

[Ponyboy]

another cool pic i found...

http://www.batmanmovieonline.com/gallery/1206357477.jpg

[Two-Face]

I love those posters! :up: :2face:

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

another cool pic i found...

http://www.batmanmovieonline.com/gallery/1206357477.jpg
:up::up:

[The Joker]

That's awesome. It makes it feel like it's an old school 40's movie.

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Thats it... I'm getting this poster.

I'm assuming i'll have to do some searching on ebay and probably pay a fortune for P+P from America. :csad:

But hey... hopefully I get a good one. There aren't any official sites to buy these types of posters from are there?

[theman]

was that poster really used or was it only like a magazine ad or an unused poster?

[Ponyboy]

But hey... hopefully I get a good one. There aren't any official sites to buy these types of posters from are there?

Yeah mate, just eBay it up. I got the Batman one I posted above (with the symbol for $19 U.S.)

[DARKxGOTHAMITE]

Hey Marx, it's not a bust, it's a urethane mask taken from one of the original Batman Returns molds. I have friends in low places. Or is that high places? :cwink:
:wow: do they sell em?

I dont post in here but i just got the Anthology on Blu-Ray and my god...its glorious, Return in particular. hell even BF and B&R look good...pretty pretty pretteyyyy pretty good.

[Hobgoblin]

That is one creepy looking Joker. I love it. :woot:

[Ponyboy]

:wow: do they sell em?

I dont post in here but i just got the Anthology on Blu-Ray and my god...its glorious, Return in particular. hell even BF and B&R look good...pretty pretty pretteyyyy pretty good.

LOL... larry david... pretty...pretty good

No, the mask was a gift and given to me quite a few years ago from a friend in Los Angeles.

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Yeah mate, just eBay it up. I got the Batman one I posted above (with the symbol for $19 U.S.)

Hmm that seems pretty good... May as well get one to compliment my Batman Returns poster. :yay:

[GothamAlleys]

Btw, just watched Pacific Heights (1990) with Michael as a disturbed and creepy psycho who becomes a tenant of an apartment belonging to a nice young couple. Great, great performance and very interesting movie. Michael can be really creepy. There was one scene where the woman gets down to the darkened garage to fix the electricity and she suddenly sees a silhouette of Michale's character sitting in the dark watching her. She shines a flashlight on his face an the look of his face was just mad, scary to say the least

[DARKxGOTHAMITE]

LOL... larry david... pretty...pretty good

No, the mask was a gift and given to me quite a few years ago from a friend in Los Angeles.
:cwink:

and well thatws awesome none the less..im jealous haha :woot:

[theman]

you guys must check this out LOL


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oy_Znv6leOg

[Two-Face]

I watched this movie few days ago and I still think this is better than Returns. Sure it has Prince songs in it etc... but I loved them using one villain instead of two plus I loved Batmobile scenes. I'm not knocking out Devito's or Preiffer's performance here I just think 89 is little better. I love Batman Returns though.

[El Payaso]

I watched this movie few days ago and I still think this is better than Returns. Sure it has Prince songs in it etc... but I loved them using one villain instead of two plus I loved Batmobile scenes. I'm not knocking out Devito's or Preiffer's performance here I just think 89 is little better. I love Batman Returns though.

Same here.

[Indy1Jones]

I Watched It last Week. Ah Great Memories.

[Mace Dolex]

I Watched It last Week. Ah Great Memories.
Buying the 2-CD expanded score made me watch the movie again and it's still damn good, sure it's a little over the top compared to Nolan's realistic take but this wasn't just a comic book movie it was an event.

Before Batman only Superman had success in film and only prior to 1989 we had the dismal Superman 4 which didn't bode well for future comic book properties.

[ALP]

Both are great imo. B'89 is the perfect example along with S:TM of a classical superhero film. But BR went in a different direction, still just as good...just different...

[Mace Dolex]

The comic book movie adaptation drawn by Jerry Ordway is still the most accurate depiction of the actors and should've been the standard if they were continuing to do them often.

[Ponyboy]

You got the joke wrong in your signature.

It's Chris Reeve first, then Chris Walken is the punchline. :cwink:

[Ponyboy]

hey - a couple of people have PM-ed me about this poster... yes, it does exist with the full names at the top :wow:

This is a US printed "Style D" version that was made for international markets.


http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5142/5685112519_03b6d8b355_b.jpg

[The Joker]

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At 0:42 is exactly how I feel about the recent news of Bin Laden's death.

[Godzilla2014]

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At 0:42 is exactly how I feel about the recent news of Bin Laden's death.

Same here!

[Marx]

:hehe:

[Ponyboy]

Too bad there's an obnoxious watermark on these...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v314/reevz666/89-keaton-batman.jpg



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v314/reevz666/89-batman-cape.jpg



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v314/reevz666/889-2-watermark.jpg

[Hobgoblin]

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At 0:42 is exactly how I feel about the recent news of Bin Laden's death.

You are a vicious bastard, Joker. :oldrazz:

[DCW]

Great pictures Ponyboy! Where'd you find them? I'm always on the lookout for new Keaton pictures.

[Ponyboy]

I don't remember now... I think I found those a few weeks back when I was on the hunt for the "rare" Batman poster a few posts up that I linked.

[Two-Face]

**** I love those black & white pictures :up: :batman: :2face:

[Ponyboy]

I know eh? I'd love to get a 25th anniversary book about the making of the film with all sorts of cool stuff like that. Get on it, Tim Burton! :cwink:

[Two-Face]

Yeah I would buy it

[Proximo]

Those black & white pictures are from Reevz (see watermark) from the Batman forum The Cave. (http://bthecave.runboard.com/t548) The "obnoxious" watermark are there to give credit where credit is due (and to protect his investment), he is the one who choose to share them from his rare collection of photos that we otherwise wouldn't be able to see.

[Ponyboy]

Those black & white pictures are from Reevz (see watermark) from the Batman forum The Cave. (http://bthecave.runboard.com/t548) The "obnoxious" watermark are there to give credit where credit is due (and to protect his investment), he is the one who choose to share them from his rare collection of photos that we otherwise wouldn't be able to see.

Oh don't be ridiculous. I'm not slighting the guy for sharing the photos, good on him... It is obnoxious, frankly. Giving credit where credit is due would be crediting the original photographer.

[Indy1Jones]

Too bad there's an obnoxious watermark on these...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v314/reevz666/89-keaton-batman.jpg



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v314/reevz666/89-batman-cape.jpg



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v314/reevz666/889-2-watermark.jpg

Great Pics Anyway.

[Marx]

Love the pictures! :up:

[Indy1Jones]

I know eh? I'd love to get a 25th anniversary book about the making of the film with all sorts of cool stuff like that. Get on it, Tim Burton! :cwink:

Yeah something to read first then collect. Come on Tim.

[Mace Dolex]

What would also be cool if the TOPPS trading card company re-release the Batman movie cards with glossy, chromium finish like they've done with Star Wars.

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Man, I don't care... nobody got the LOOK of Batman more right on screen than Tim Burton!

Those shots and that suit are just gorgeous.

Would love a film written and produced by Nolan but with production design and direction by Burton.

:hrt::hrt:

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

batmanmovieonline.com is the best place for pics and cool facts about 89 and Returns. I've seen tons of never before seen stuff on there and great interviews.

[Ponyboy]

What would also be cool if the TOPPS trading card company re-release the Batman movie cards with glossy, chromium finish like they've done with Star Wars.

There is a glossy boxed set you can find on EBay, though they were released in '89... so they arent chromium.

[Adam_Stabelli]

I love Batman 1989. With a passion. It's everything you could want in a Bat flick. It's dark, moody, and heroic at the same time. Keaton was Batman and he will forever be Batman for me. He had the right amount of personailty and darkness to make the character work. Nicholson brought a demonic gleefulness to the Joker. You couldn't take your eyes off of him. He truly stole the show. It's a film for the ages. And it showed the audience a different side of the Batman character. The dark side.

[Travesty]

batmanmovieonline.com is the best place for pics and cool facts about 89 and Returns. I've seen tons of never before seen stuff on there and great interviews.Yup, it's one of my favorite Batman sites, actually.

[Mister Meddle]

Random but never once have I ever seen such a perfect live action shot of the Joker in film:

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/4941/large3bghjjkcopy.jpg

http://blacktonal.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/alan-moore-brian-bolland-batman-the-killing-joke.jpg

[Travesty]

^minus the purple smudge on his neck. :p

[Mister Meddle]

lmao I knew someone was going to point that out.

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

I was going to say surely they would have re-shot that scene considering... but then I never once noticed that purple mark until the DVD pointed it out, so Burton probably never picked up on it either.

Now its all I see... :csad:

[Marx]

I've never noticed that mark on his neck...until now.

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

I think I've seen that before, then forgot about it. Thanks. :dry:

[Mister Meddle]

I must've watched the film over a hundred times in the past eighteen years and I never noticed it until a few months ago when I got it on blu ray. I guess in standard def it just looked like a shadow but it's noticeable on blu ray. But the look on Jack's face was spot on in this scene. I'm glad they didn't reshoot.

[Ponyboy]

I've never noticed that mark on his neck...until now.

Are you joking?

Get it? har har har

I noticed that purple thing like 20 years ago when I saw it on VHS! It's always urked me.

[Mister Meddle]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wYrYI2Avd4

8:55 the makeup artist explains the mark on his neck.

[Travesty]

I must've watched the film over a hundred times in the past eighteen years and I never noticed it until a few months ago when I got it on blu ray. I guess in standard def it just looked like a shadow but it's noticeable on blu ray. But the look on Jack's face was spot on in this scene. I'm glad they didn't reshoot.Yup, the scene is great. I know the smudge is there, but I don't care about it, it's just one of those funny things people always mention, so I wanted to be the first. :twisted:

[El Payaso]

I was going to say surely they would have re-shot that scene considering... but then I never once noticed that purple mark until the DVD pointed it out, so Burton probably never picked up on it either.

Now its all I see... :csad:

Haha. Yeah, I spent like 20 years watching that movie without noticing it. then I come to SHH and someone points that out...

[Thebumwhowalks]

lol, yeah, I am the same, I never noticed the purple dye smudge until it was pointed out on the SE dvd extras(at least i think that is where i first heard of it).
It is probably my fav Joker scene of the movie, Jack Palance is great in the scene too, I always get a good laugh out of the expression he pulls when he sees the Joker's dyed face for the first time, it is the ultimate wtf expression, and I am glad that no-one has made a meme or gif out of it, cause it should be preserved for when watching the movie only, for maximum effect, lol.

I watched the first three Batman movies far too much in the 90s, just over and over and over, cause, apart from them, there were no decent superhero flicks out then, same with the Supermans in the 80s. I know i can be harsh on the movies sometimes, as they were not the kind of Batman movies i was expecting back then, but I don't really nitpick that much when I am actually watching them, I have got a lot of enjoyment out of them over the years.

[eledoremassis02]

Never seen this photo. I've seen the one where he's facing the camera but not with his one arm aiming the spear gun
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/duo_maxwell07740/batman2.jpg

[Mister Meddle]

Never seen this photo. I've seen the one where he's facing the camera but not with his one arm aiming the spear gun
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/duo_maxwell07740/batman2.jpg

Nice. Where did you get this from?

[eledoremassis02]

found it in a Magazine on Google books
http://books.google.com/books?id=8ecCAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA45&dq=batman&hl=en&ei=vS3HTfPRH4HB0AG_9KGOCA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CDsQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=batman&f=false

[Ponyboy]

Haha. Yeah, I spent like 20 years watching that movie without noticing it. then I come to SHH and someone points that out...

I honestly have no clue as to how you couldn't notice it :cwink:

[Two-Face]

Well I didn't notice purple mark until I saw picture of it. :o

[Thebumwhowalks]

Actually, there is still a lot of things in those earlier series of BM films that still annoy me a lot when I watch them nowadays, in that post I just wanted to post something positive about them for a change, as I was in a thread specifically about them.
I didn't want to be the kaw of the misc BM sub-forum, lol.

[El Payaso]

I honestly have no clue as to how you couldn't notice it :cwink:

Whenever Nicholson's on screen things around him becomes irrelevant.

[Thebumwhowalks]

Well I didn't notice purple mark until I saw picture of it. :o

You know, that statement doesn't really make sense when you hold it up to scrutiny. You've known the film and found the film interesting for quite a while now, sometimes it just takes the right kind of indepth discussion to notice there is some definite chemistry and attraction there, before someone points out the mark to you in a still photograph.
Maybe you should take that over to the unpopular film opinions thread. I always found that the most interesting thread on this forum, and would check in there all the time whenever there were new posts.

[Ponyboy]

Whenever Nicholson's on screen things around him becomes irrelevant.

haha but it's not around him. It's ON him. LOL ;)

I bet in the scene where he rescues Vicki from the museum that you noticed when Batman says "Stop" in his mic device, puts his hand down... and then when the next camera shot pops up, the Batmobile stops right in front of him but his hand is still up?

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

say it aint so pony, say it aint so.

[El Payaso]

haha but it's not around him. It's ON him. LOL ;)

I bet in the scene where he rescues Vicki from the museum that you noticed when Batman says "Stop" in his mic device, puts his hand down... and then when the next camera shot pops up, the Batmobile stops right in front of him but his hand is still up?

I took 15 years to notice that. It was like when I was into nitpicking movies for www.nitpickers.com. :yay:

[EliteF50]

And during Joker's restaurant/museum vandalization scene, one of the goons puts his hand prints all over a painting, then in the next shot, the hand prints are gone and the goon is just dancing.

@1:08
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tgxIWgJ_DE

[El Payaso]

Enjoy yourselves:

http://www.nitpickers.com/movies/repository.cgi?pg=t&sp=i&tt=85395

[Ponyboy]

I took 15 years to notice that. It was like when I was into nitpicking movies for www.nitpickers.com (http://www.nitpickers.com). :yay:

:pal: I still love it, for all its faults.

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

One of my favorite pics...

http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm187/Merry_Mutant/bat2.jpg


For me... THIS is Batman ripped right out of the comic books. The ears are perfect length, the shape the costume makes, hes not overly bulky looking...

http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm187/Merry_Mutant/museum1.jpg

:hrt::hrt:

[Ponyboy]

For you DarkKnight90!



http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2060/5707810069_a192456bf2_b.jpg

[Marx]

I know I've said this before but Michael Keaton and his suit will always be Batman to me. :up:

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

For you DarkKnight90!

:hrt::hrt::hrt:

Thank you Ponyboy... don't know where you find these pics, but it looks great. :woot:


*saves*

[Ponyboy]

That last pic is from my personal collection that I just scanned. It is a 10x12 poster that I've had since I was a boy and was printed by the Norman James Company in Canada. It's more like a US style lobby card, really.

[Ponyboy]

Another version of the same picture...

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2756/5708638822_cfdf453ec1_b.jpg

[Duke]

For you DarkKnight90!



http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2060/5707810069_a192456bf2_b.jpg




The way Batman should always be!!:up:

[Mace Dolex]

^ Now that's a Batman who ain't taking crap from nobody, just look at that battered suit and mean snarl, total badass.

[Mace Dolex]

There is a glossy boxed set you can find on EBay, though they were released in '89... so they arent chromium.
Yeah I have those cards too, there were actually two series set of 132 cards and 11 stickers each and if you got the exclusive box set there were an additional 11 bonus cards on each set making for a total of 330 cards.

I actually have two sets (4 boxes) in good condition but I'd wish that TOPPS would do some sort of widevision re-release.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v724/panaf/il_fullxfull128403741.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v724/panaf/2521Bng-1hgBWk257E25242528KGrHqIOKk2521EtkE2521UVNtBLj2529 HO3-1g257E257E_3.jpg

[Mister Meddle]

Quick question. Is it true that Michael Keaton actually dated Kim Basinger? It was awhile ago but I was on eBay and there was an old magazine being sold. On the cover it had a picture of Keaton & Basinger together off set and it said something like a love triangle between Keaton, Basinger and Prince. Can anyone fill me in?

[Mace Dolex]

Quick question. Is it true that Michael Keaton actually dated Kim Basinger? It was awhile ago but I was on eBay and there was an old magazine being sold. On the cover it had a picture of Keaton & Basinger together off set and it said something like a love triangle between Keaton, Basinger and Prince. Can anyone fill me in?
Don't know about that one but I've heard Basinger was dating either Prince and Jon Peters, or both!

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Yeah... I've never heard that one myself. I mean if she was supposedly dating Jon Peters and Prince around then... where would she have the time to fit in Michael? :cwink:

But between Michelle Pfeiffer and Courtney Cox, Michael's done good! :woot:

[Travesty]

I thought the first series of the 89 cards were much better. I also liked all the concept art they had with all of them.

It's strange, cause I had a dream a few days ago, and I was opening some packs of the movie cards and eating the gum, while being scared that it's 22 year old gum that I just started chewing, but said "screw it", cause it tasted so good. Hehe....

[Ponyboy]

Quick question. Is it true that Michael Keaton actually dated Kim Basinger? It was awhile ago but I was on eBay and there was an old magazine being sold. On the cover it had a picture of Keaton & Basinger together off set and it said something like a love triangle between Keaton, Basinger and Prince. Can anyone fill me in?

I don't think he (Keaton) and Basinger ever had any romantic involvement. He did date Michelle Pfeiffer before they filmed Batman Returns, though.

[Reevz666]

Oh don't be ridiculous. I'm not slighting the guy for sharing the photos, good on him... It is obnoxious, frankly. Giving credit where credit is due would be crediting the original photographer.

the original photographers name is Murray Close

[Mace Dolex]

I don't think he (Keaton) and Basinger ever had any romantic involvement. He did date Michelle Pfeiffer before they filmed Batman Returns, though.
Yeah that part is true, they've said it before in interviews.

[Two-Face]

Another version of the same picture...

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2756/5708638822_cfdf453ec1_b.jpg

Best Batman picture. :up:

[Marck87]

Love that!

[Ponyboy]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2136/5752236959_61b50888ba_b.jpg



http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2676/5752783498_98bac193a7_b.jpg

[Marx]

:applaud

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

those pics though I've seen them many times before are truly badass!

[SHADOWBAT69]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2676/5752783498_98bac193a7_b.jpg



Heehee. His armor looks teh puffy

[Team Andino]

I don't care how much I fall in love with Nolan's Batman movies I always love this movie with a passion.

[redfirebird2008]

I don't care how much I fall in love with Nolan's Batman movies I always love this movie with a passion.


Nothing wrong with loving both. :woot:

[Team Andino]

Nothing wrong with loving both. :woot:
Absolutely! I just have friends who can't bring themselves to watch Batman or Batman Returns anymore and I feel sorry for them. They can't appreciate something they once loved because something new came out.

[redfirebird2008]

Absolutely! I just have friends who can't bring themselves to watch Batman or Batman Returns anymore and I feel sorry for them. They can't appreciate something they once loved because something new came out.


That's too bad for them. I can't imagine that. I still love the Burton flicks and I would like to see the next filmmaker in the franchise implement a hybrid of Nolan's tone and Burton's visuals/music. The Animated Series was a great example of how to mix a serious tone with fantastical villains, visuals, and music.

[Team Andino]

That's too bad for them. I can't imagine that. I still love the Burton flicks and I would like to see the next filmmaker in the franchise implement a hybrid of Nolan's tone and Burton's visuals/music. The Animated Series was a great example of how to mix a serious tone with fantastical villains, visuals, and music.
No doubt, I'm hoping we eventually get a a film franchise that can get a realistic tone but have the fantastical elements of villains like Mr. Freeze, Poison Ivy, Killer Croc, ect. I think the Arkham Asylum game is the closest interpretation of that thus far, here's hoping we get good movies like that one day.

[redfirebird2008]

No doubt, I'm hoping we eventually get a a film franchise that can get a realistic tone but have the fantastical elements of villains like Mr. Freeze, Poison Ivy, Killer Croc, ect. I think the Arkham Asylum game is the closest interpretation of that thus far, here's hoping we get good movies like that one day.


I would really love a serious live action version of Mr. Freeze similar to BTAS.

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

I've always said I love Burtons films and Nolans films equally, as well as BTAS the more serious batman I get the better!

[SheldonLevene]

Batman 89 is on right now on AMC.

[Marx]

Batman and Batman Returns were on back to back yesterday. :up:

[DARKxGOTHAMITE]

I had some spare time at work today and I really, REALLY liked this picture from earlier in the thread...so um...the watermark dissapeared!? :cwink:

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb243/AndreIbarra89/KeatonBatman.jpg

[Two-Face]

Very Batmanish :wow:


lurking in the shadows.

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

Very Batmanish :wow:


lurking in the shadows.

just as he should be.

[Mister Meddle]

Now that is what Batman should look like.

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

Now that is what Batman should look like.

Totally agree Meddle 100%!

[Ponyboy]

I wonder what was happening here? ;)

http://www.batmanmovieonline.com/gallery/1212147918.jpg

[Indy1Jones]

For you DarkKnight90!



http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2060/5707810069_a192456bf2_b.jpg

Thats a guy you don't want to mess with.

[Indy1Jones]

I can put Keaton or Bale at 1A or 1B It doesn't matter.

[El Payaso]

I had some spare time at work today and I really, REALLY liked this picture from earlier in the thread...so um...the watermark dissapeared!? :cwink:

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb243/AndreIbarra89/KeatonBatman.jpg

Great work! :up:


I love how Batman looks like a gargoyle in this movie.

[GREEN =w= DAY]

I don't care how much I fall in love with Nolan's Batman movies I always love this movie with a passion.

same here dude

[Mister Meddle]

Credit to BatmanMovieOnline.com

http://img808.imageshack.us/img808/4363/1196857940.jpg

http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/9020/1196857969.jpg

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/9924/1196858280.jpg

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/305/1196857813.jpg

[Ponyboy]

I always liked this one...

[Two-Face]

Great posters. Would be cool wallpaers.

[Travesty]

Credit to BatmanMovieOnline.com


http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/305/1196857813.jpg
I've always thought this looks eerily similar to BTAS.:cwink:

[Mister Meddle]

lmao I knew someone would point it out. I can always trust the good people on the Hype boards to notice these things.

http://www.power-animals.com/wp-content/uploads/batman1.png

[El Payaso]

I've always thought this looks eerily similar to BTAS.:cwink:

But this was 1989 so it's the other way around. :)

[Travesty]

But this was 1989 so it's the other way around. :)
Oh, I know, just saying. But yes, that would be the correct way to say it. :cwink:

Now fight me! :argh::oldrazz:

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

I honestly kind of miss this stylistic Batman...

The Burton movies and B:TAS really walked that fine line between darkly serious and comic-book fun.

We now have the two extremes seperated with the Nolan movies and B:TBATB.

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

as much as I dig these posters I just don't think they represent the films tone that well I'm really happy they went with just the bold bat symbol, it was a great time in marketing history which changed the way films like this were marketed forever.

[Hobgoblin]

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/305/1196857813.jpg

That is really beautiful.

[Marx]

I love all of the posters. :up:

[Indy1Jones]

Credit to BatmanMovieOnline.com



http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/305/1196857813.jpg

Awesome and kinda scary.

[Two-Face]

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z304/Two-Face24/batmobile_batman_1989.jpg

[A Necessary Evil]

http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/9020/1196857969.jpg


The tagline...reminds me of a certain line someone said in TDK...:awesome:

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

ya that is pretty crazy huh, I never noticed that on that poster before.

[Godzilla2014]

The tagline...reminds me of a certain line someone said in TDK...:awesome:

I noticed that, too. I don't really think it fits with the movie. In the end, for Batman, defeating the Joker isn't about justice, it's about revenge.

[Marx]

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z304/Two-Face24/batmobile_batman_1989.jpg

...now THERE'S a batmobile. :up:

[DARKxGOTHAMITE]

I wonder what was happening here? ;)

http://www.batmanmovieonline.com/gallery/1212147918.jpg
Man this is gorgeous...:up:

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

The silhouette of that suit defines batman to me.

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Yep :up:

In fact that entire scene as he enters the church is easily one of my favorite Batman moments.

And as Burton said in the commentary... a few pillars, a few pews and alot of atmospheric smoke. Simple but so effective.

[Two-Face]

...now THERE'S a batmobile. :up:

Best ever. :up:

[Indy1Jones]

This move was done so well.

[BATS N' HORNETS]

BEST BATMAN FILM EVER! Nuff said.

[Doc Ock]

BEST BATMAN FILM EVER! Nuff said.

Nuff said indeed. I can't get enough of this and Returns. The posters only reinforce how flippin good this movie is.

Better than the Nolan films IMO.

[Yurka]

Burton just knew how to light Batman and these movies in general, I really wish Nolan would adopt some of Burton's lighting techniques.