Discussion: FOX News

[Marlboro Man]

So that just leaves what? The "My Little Conspiracy" anti-government fallout shelter ads?

[LouFerignoDemon]

Ehh... Never been a fan of the post, to be honest. I'm actually almost sad to hear that this level of crazy might be cancelled. Steven Colbert might be, too, as he'll have to find new material.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Beck will survive. Someway...somehow. Comedy Central would probably take him, just for all the jokes he'd provide.

[LouFerignoDemon]

True, it takes a special brand of comedic crazy to be Glenn Beck.

Not too many people are adept at counterdicting their own statements five minutes apart in the same interview.

[Kelly]

I hope this works....

I noticed the last time Bill O had him on his show.....its pretty obvious Bill doesn't have too much love for Beck, he seems to tolerate him, but that's about it....

[Kelly]

I hope this works....I would rather have Greta in this spot than the 9:00 Cental Time slot that she's in right now.

I noticed the last time Bill O had him on his show.....its pretty obvious Bill doesn't have too much love for Beck, he seems to tolerate him, but that's about it....

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Really? I thought they were really good buddies. I haven't watched The Factor in a while, but I do remember them being quite chummy before.

[LouFerignoDemon]

They were sorta friendly when Beck made the shift from CNN to FOX, but after that, Glenn got...well...crazy.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

And O'Reily seemed to be fine with that. He'd poke fun at him for being crazy, but they still seemed friendly. Like they could go out for a beer.

If Beck could go, that is. I'm sure he can't.

[Matt Mortem]

Wow, Wally-world pulled out from Beck? The man is losin' his footing

[LouFerignoDemon]

Didn't O'Reilly try to sue Beck over some infringement? Friends usually don't go out of their way to sue their friends.

[MaskedManJRK]

Whenever I see him on TV, he's either blantatly pulling something out of his ass, or he's hysterically sobbing like a small child over something he pulled out of his ass.

So yeah, don't think very highly of the man.

[Marlboro Man]

O'Reilly didn't sue Beck. No, see, Beck teabagged O'Reilly once on his show and they haven't spoken to each other since. Boy, was his face red...

[LouFerignoDemon]

Yeah, that's if it really happened. :whatever:

I googled it. Nothing came up. Nice job.

Ooo... Somebody's got a little misplaced ego there. ~_^

I said, "Didn't so and so sue so and so?" As in question. XD

Great Jorb. :woot:

[Marlboro Man]

It certainly is popular to hate Glenn Beck. It's also wholly acceptable, considering he's bat**** insane.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Yeah, but then you said "friends don't do that to friends", like you believed it to be true, 'cuz you were so eager to jump on the "it's popular to hate Glenn Beck" train.


That doesn't necessarily mean I think it's true. =P

Jumping on the Glenn Beck hate train? Don't you think you might be jumping the gun a little bit? :grin:

I'm actually gonna go on a variation of Marlboro Man there. It's more or less common sense that Glenn Beck is bat-crazy. Plus, I don't exactly hate the guy. There's no reason to. If I hated him, I couldn't enjoy the entertainment value without placing some form of political statement on it. That's just too much work. =(

[Marlboro Man]

When you spread total fiction like, say, the government is secretly planning to steal your guns and put conservatives in concentration camps... you're not only bordering on crazy, you've dived head first into it.

Or, my personal favorite, when he asks a Muslim Congressman if he's working for the enemy... which is not only crazy, but feeds into the ignorant anti-Muslim sentiments conservatives helped build after 9/11...

There are other examples but I've already gone through a long list a couple of pages back.

[MaskedManJRK]

So he's crazy for calling Obama a racist, or getting emotional over issues he cares about, and the current administration and it's supporters aren't? Even though they've called people who rationally speak out against them Nazis and mobs? How is that less extreme than what Beck does?

And the guys who call conservative folks nazis are rude and intellectually dishonest--but how does that give Beck the right to do the exact same thing? The old saying "two wrongs don't make a right come to mind.

And what about government spending? You don't think their agenda (investing billions in health care, bailing out banks, bailing out automobile companies all while ignoring what the public thinks) isn't foolish?

Yes, all that needless government spending the Democrats are doing! It's so different from what the Republicans did...like investing billions in the War on Terror, bailing out banks, and ignoring what the public thinks.

They don't even read the bills they pass!

Newsflash: None of them read the bills. Most of the Congresspeople's days are spent trying to get funding for their next campaign, and even if that wasn't an issue, those bills are thousands of pages long. No one could read that much stuff, and none of them will try to shorten it because they need it to be that long so they can add their own personal loopholes.

The moral--doesn't matter what political party they're in, if they're a politictian, they're a s**theel.

[Marlboro Man]

Except... many of them have carried swastikas, and have outright threatened Congressmen... or they've hanged effigies of Congressmen... or phoned in death threats to Congressmen... or vandalized government property... so I think, while some of these congressional leaders have exaggerated some of the claims, they aren't making up complete lies... unlike Beck, who just says whatever ass-backwards thing that pops into his head at the moment...

[Marlboro Man]

Yeah, but they group them all together, or don't bother to differentiate between them. Also, the government is OUR GOVERNMENT using OUR MONEY. Glenn Beck is a PRIVATE CITIZEN who earned his own money and is speaking out within the boundaries of his constitutional rights. What boundaries does the government have and who stops them when they overstep them? There's a huge difference between some dude spreading lies, and the government (which makes the laws, controls the military).

Glenn Beck is also broadcast to millions of small-minded viewers who absolutely fear the government, some of whom could easily take his words to heart and go on shooting sprees or blow up buildings. It's the sort of hate speech and bold-faced lies about government that inspired Timothy McVeigh and numerous gunmen to fight the "tyrannical" government in our history, and look what happened there.

[nathaniel]

Glenn Beck is also broadcast to millions of small-minded viewers who absolutely fear the government, some of whom could easily take his words to heart and go on shooting sprees or blow up buildings. It's the sort of hate speech and bold-faced lies about government that inspired Timothy McVeigh and numerous gunmen to fight the "tyrannical" government in our history, and look what happened there.

Agreed and even when The likes of Beck are caught cold (like the amazing uturn on the healthcare industry from 2007 to 2009 seen on John stewart) these viewers refuse to see a guy who would say anything his core viewers want to hear its like they are sheep led by Limbaugh,Hannity and Beck.

[LouFerignoDemon]

So he's crazy for calling Obama a racist, or getting emotional over issues he cares about, and the current administration and it's supporters aren't? Even though they've called people who rationally speak out against them Nazis and mobs? How is that less extreme than what Beck does? And what about government spending? You don't think their agenda (investing billions in health care, bailing out banks, bailing out automobile companies all while ignoring what the public thinks) isn't foolish? They don't even read the bills they pass!


Totally not what I had in mind. o.o

If he thinks Obama is a racist, that's his deal. Eh, whatev. Racism isn't something which really can be argued, as there will always be a case where someone appears to be racist. So if he wants to say his opinion on that, it doesn't bother me whatsoever.

But the dude is clearly imbalanced. His "getting emotional" is downright hilarious. I've never actually seen someone force themselves so hard to try and cry on television before to try and somewhat enforce his liking of America, which was already established. It was classic.

[Hobodeluxe]

I hear Brawndo is going to become Fox news biggest advertiser now.

[BlackestNight]

This is old but The Daily Show nail Glenn on his constant flip flops and contradictions. When Glenn was on CNN, he claimed that our Healthcare system wasn’t up to par. Now that he’s at Fox, he’s claming that we halve the best Healthcare system in the world.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-august-13-2009/glenn-beck-s-operation


Shepard Smith Goofs on Glenn Beck!
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Bill O'Reilly and Dennis Miller talk about Beck and Rendition

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[ChrisBaleBatman]

Kind of like how top government officials are calling normal, everyday people who speak up in public assemblies "violent mobs carrying around swastikas". The United States (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=300306&page=18#) government spreading lies about it's own people. What's more dangerous, Glenn Beck or that? Don't you think the government can take cares of itself? Who's going to back the common folk who are fighting for their kid's well-being?

Not even remotely the same as anything that Malboro just listed off on Beck, though.

[Matt Mortem]

wow, this last page really got heated. and to think I missed it all. Beck broadcasts to the little old ladies who get their news from forwarded e-mails and then join rallies based on lies. He's a fear-monger. Nothing more, nothing less.

[bored]

I hear Brawndo is going to become Fox news biggest advertiser now.

It's got electrolytes.

[The Overlord]

Any one notice that Fox News pundits against protests during the Bush government and now they support protesters? What so they are only against protesters who they disagree with them?

[Kelly]

Yeah, in the same way that the liberal pundits had no problem with the protesters against the Iraq War, yet call these people angry mobs....

They had no problem with Bush being depicted as Hitler, yet spend enormous amount of time talking about a couple of guys holding signs with swastikas on them....

Yes, the hypocrisy is all over the place...

[Kelly]

Yeah, in the same way that the liberal pundits had no problem with the protesters against the Iraq War, yet call these people angry mobs....

They had no problem with Bush being depicted as Hitler on dozens of occassions, yet spend enormous amount of time talking about a couple of guys holding signs with swastikas on them....

Yes, the hypocrisy is all over the place...

[gap5ewl]

Yeah, in the same way that the liberal pundits had no problem with the protesters against the Iraq War, yet call these people angry mobs....

They had no problem with Bush being depicted as Hitler, yet spend enormous amount of time talking about a couple of guys holding signs with swastikas on them....

Yes, the hypocrisy is all over the place...

It's all a big circle really. Then again, I don't think we saw liberals screaming at Republican lawmakers at town hall meetings saying they're turning us into a fascist country for Iraq. It was more like millions of people around the world protesting in major cities not to invade Iraq. But we still did anyway so its not like they accomplished much.

[Marlboro Man]

I agree we can have a civil conversation but you have to understand that many of these people have tried to be civil. From what they've said, they have called their representatives' office to reach them only to be denied over and over again. We had a similiar problem here in Missouri with Claire McCaskill.

You've got to be kidding.

Do these people really think they're going to be able to call into their Senator's office and have a conversation with them?

They do realize that their senators... work... and represent millions of people... and probably have hundreds of people calling into their offices on any given day...

Because if these people really thought they were going to be able to chat with Claire McCaskill on the telephone about health care reform... and are mad because they didn't get to... then they are crazier than I had ever imagined.

[Paradyme]

You've got to be kidding.

Do these people really think they're going to be able to call into their Senator's office and have a conversation with them?

They do realize that their senators... work... and represent millions of people... and probably have hundreds of people calling into their offices on any given day...

Because if these people really thought they were going to be able to chat with Claire McCaskill on the telephone about health care reform... and are mad because they didn't get to... then they are crazier than I had ever imagined.

They were being cut off rudely by her staff. A lot of them would ask them to deliver a message or get a straight forward answer on her stance only to be hung up on or spoke to rudely.

She came on the radio a few days ago and apologized for the way her office has been treating people.

It's not that they just want to speak to her they want to know where she stood on certain things but have had no luck.

Even the people that wanted to talk to her I'm sure she can find time out of her 'busy' schedule to make a few phone calls a day.

You need to remember they are our representatives. You can keep making excuses for them but I won't.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Them or they're staff?

Because it doesn't sound like it was HER fault...

[Paradyme]

Her staff are the ones that won't give her the messages or turn down callers if they don't mirror what her STAFF believes.

In my opinion, who you employee and the voice they use on people reflects poorly on her. After all they are her staff.

Like I said she has apologized for these incidents, I believe, it was sometime early last week. Whether the people want to forgive her is their decision. She has a town hall coming up here next Monday the 24th. Hopefully, people will be able to get off work to make their problems vocal and what not. I'm not sure how many will make it there since she has decided to hold it at 12:30. I know I won't be able to go.

[DACrowe]

Kind of like how top government officials are calling normal, everyday people who speak up in public assemblies "violent mobs carrying around swastikas". The United States government spreading lies about it's own people. What's more dangerous, Glenn Beck or that? Don't you think the government can take cares of itself? Who's going to back the common folk who are fighting for their kid's well-being?

But these mobs are carrying around swastikas and many try to intimidate public speakers to avoid disagreement. I would hardly call it peaceful assembly. And I'd say Beck is more dangerous as he defends a woman who asks a Jewish Congressman who happens to be a homosexual why he supports Obama's "Hitler policies."

Yeah, they have the right to say what they want and they have a right to carry guns. But I'll openly say I get worried when I see men carry ASSAULT WEAPONS to a presidential event, a new phenomenon in the history of this country. They do so because of people like Beck saying "He wants to take your gun" who also shows footage that juxtaposes Obama with Hitler, Mussilini and Stalin.

And food for thought, the 10 or so people who were carrying guns and assault rifles in Arizona were organized by a conservative talk radio man who was a member of Vipers, a fringe nutjob group who defended the crazies at Waco and wanted revenge for executing Mcveigh and planned to retaliate by blowing up Federal buildings.

Yeah, I'd say there are some SCARY PEOPLE out there and Beck is giving them excuses based on lies and ignorance. I'd say that is far worse as the White House has never called them for what they are (though MSNBC loves to, and that is who you may be thinking of)...crazy. Not all are crazy, but the ones who get the most attention drown out those who actually want to discuss the policy.

[DACrowe]

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Conservatives just want to kill everything that moves, don't they?

God I hope that the Secret Service is REALLY PREPARED for these meetings. But what about the Congressmen? I could see this turning REALLY UGLY. And it's worrisome to think about.

[StorminNorman]

But these mobs are carrying around swastikas and many try to intimidate public speakers to avoid disagreement.

That's simply not true. Mobs aren't carrying around swastikas, isolated crazies are carying around swastikas.

[Franklin Richards]

For every kook with a gun at these rallies, I want to see about 4 red dots on each of them.



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[DACrowe]

That's simply not true. Mobs aren't carrying around swastikas, isolated crazies are carying around swastikas.

Okay peacefully assembled protestors are sprinkled with guns and signs that compare our president to Hitler. Better? Because I don't think so.

[The Lizard]

and lest we forget for an instant that wacky conservatives and wacky liberals are two sides of the same coin...

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Godwin's Law, FTW!

[Prison Mike]

I don't get why people bring guns to protest the healthcare bill. What does the second amendment have to do with healthcare?

[Addendum]

I don't get why people bring guns to protest the healthcare bill. What does the second amendment have to do with healthcare?

Potential customers for enzyte or extenze

[Hobodeluxe]

I don't get why people bring guns to protest the healthcare bill. What does the second amendment have to do with healthcare?

It's a security blanket. Some of these people can't cope with their paranoia without having a gun on their person. It terrifies them to be unarmed.
Not saying all gun owners are like that. but there's a few nuts out there.

[Franklin Richards]

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[Bathead]

and lest we forget for an instant that wacky conservatives and wacky liberals are two sides of the same coin...

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Godwin's Law, FTW!

Can you show me where any of these folk were carrying guns?

[The Lizard]

Can you show me where any of these folk were carrying guns?

Of what concern is that? How many crazy conservatives total have been spotted carrying guns at all the recent protests or town meetings? One? Two?

My point is that I find it amusing when one certain political group acts horrified when the opposite group trots out the ridiculous Nazi comparisons. Particularly since their own group contains the same type of fringe weirdos that will do the exact same thing next time.

Note: If it makes you guys feel better, I'm not defending Glenn Beck's ridiculousness in any way. But the liberals who are acting horrified and morally offended at those goofy protesters who would "dare say such hateful Nazi-related things about our president" are cracking me up just as much as the conservatives who played the same act a few years ago.

[Franklin Richards]

The difference to me concerns life.


Bush wanted to kill people.
Obama wants to save people.




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[The Lizard]

The difference to me concerns life.


Bush wanted to kill people.
Obama wants to save people.


Are you serious? Really?

So your argument is basically "Bush WAS like Hitler, so those liberal comparisons were legitimate."..? Just checking to make sure I'm understanding you.

[Franklin Richards]

My point is that if you compare someone to Hitler because they get the trains to run on time... it's not a big deal.


If you compare them to Hitler because they started to put people in ovens... it is a big deal.




Comparing Obama to Hitler because he wants people with cancer to get healthcare is hyperbole.

Comparing Bush to Hitler because he invaded a sovereign country is legitimate.



See where I'm goin' here?



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[Addendum]

I think I'll have to side with Lizard on this. If one has to use comparisons to Nazis to criticize someone, then that argument has no weight. No matter whom is being criticized.

[voyzovrezon]

This is what the Obama administration is up against. I've never seen any host from CNN or MSNBC trash Bush this way, comparing his life and associates to communist China and Soviet Union. Here, Beck goes back to Obamas parents, college friends, and pretty much tells his audience that Obama is a Marxist out to destroy the country:

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[The Lizard]

Comparing Obama to Hitler because he wants people with cancer to get healthcare is hyperbole.

Comparing Bush to Hitler because he invaded a sovereign country is legitimate.


You do understand the way that those who are morally and/or religiously opposed to abortion might view certain aspects (rumored, untrue or true as they may be) of Obama's health care policies? There is arguably "death" involved there, you know. [Again, disclaimer: I don't agree with those claims, but I can at least see where those who hold it might arrive at such a view.]

But anyway, reducto ad Hitlerum is ridiculous regardless. Until a leader advocates genocide, there are plenty of other more valid historical villains to compare them to.

[Kelly]

I think I'll have to side with Lizard on this. If one has to use comparisons to Nazis to criticize someone, then that argument has no weight. No matter whom is being criticized.


Slow clap.......

[Franklin Richards]

Those abortion claims have been refuted time and time again. I don't know how many times he can say that's not on the table.



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[LouFerignoDemon]

I think Jon Stewart said it best that Hitler worked too damn hard, to be too damn evil, to have every Tom, Dick, and Harry go around calling people "Hitler". :o

[DACrowe]

Of what concern is that? How many crazy conservatives total have been spotted carrying guns at all the recent protests or town meetings? One? Two?

My point is that I find it amusing when one certain political group acts horrified when the opposite group trots out the ridiculous Nazi comparisons. Particularly since their own group contains the same type of fringe weirdos that will do the exact same thing next time.

At least two in New Hampshire when Obama spoke and at at least 10 in Arizona when he was there. Two of them carrying assault rifles. One of the men in New Hampshire took an out-of-context quote from Jefferson implying that it is time to restore liberty through the blood (murder/death) of a tyrant (guess who?). The same quote that men behind the Oklahoma City Bombing wore.


Look, I never liked people calling Bush Hitler and thought it was disingenuous, stupid and harmful to a credible discussion or at trying to prevent his awful and tragic agendas. But the sense was ignore these people. They didn't have a major news outlet (Fox) supporting their views as credible as well as the apparent voice of a political party (Rush Limbaugh) edging them on and the atmosphere was EXTREMELY DIFFERENT. I don't think many feared for Bush's life when he had to give a speech out west. The mood in the opposition against the president is more comporable to Kennedy in 1962-1963 than Bush and that is a chilling thing. Indeed.

[Matt Mortem]

This is what the Obama administration is up against. I've never seen any host from CNN or MSNBC trash Bush this way, comparing his life and associates to communist China and Soviet Union. Here, Beck goes back to Obamas parents, college friends, and pretty much tells his audience that Obama is a Marxist out to destroy the country:

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The video upsets me. I am by no means an Obama supporter, but that's just cold. **** Glenn Beck

[StorminNorman]

What is wrong about looking at the figures of Obama's past? There is a trend. When added with his policies, it's a perfectly valid analysis. Plus Obama wrote a BOOK about his up bringing and the people who influenced him. I don't think there is anything wrong with Beck's video. What is wrong with that? Show me anything Beck made up?

Is it presented in a slightly over the top matter (with the communist cake)? Absolutely. But...that's the style of the show. It's not meant to be 60 Minutes.

[Paradoxium]

This is what the Obama administration is up against. I've never seen any host from CNN or MSNBC trash Bush this way, comparing his life and associates to communist China and Soviet Union. Here, Beck goes back to Obamas parents, college friends, and pretty much tells his audience that Obama is a Marxist out to destroy the country:

BFqWTz1VtjoSo he is an obnoxious bloviating cow, big deal. Stop watching him if you are annoyed, that's kind of what I do. It's not like he is winning any new audience, just airing it to people who are not Obama fanboys (or people who get a guilty pleasure out of watching him *tsk*tsk*voyz)

The Frank Marshall stuff is real though, but I don't think that is the real problem. It's his intellectual interest in Alinsky and his Rules for Radicals that unease me. Alinsky is pretty much the forefather to all the people Beck showed. From Ayers, Marshall and Wright and so forth. The stuff Alinsky advocated... are morally reprehensible and incredibly revolting, but I do admire the strategic prowess behind it.

[voyzovrezon]

Is it presented in a slightly over the top matter (with the communist cake)? Absolutely. But...that's the style of the show. It's not meant to be 60 Minutes.

Then it should be on Comedy Central, not FOX "NEWS."

:facepalm

[voyzovrezon]

So he is an obnoxious bloviating cow, big deal. Stop watching him if you are annoyed, that's kind of what I do. It's not like he is winning any new audience, just airing it to people who are not Obama fanboys (or people who get a guilty pleasure out of watching him *tsk*tsk*voyz)



Just airing it to people who aren't Obama fanboys? That's a bit of an understatement.

He's had rally's called "We Surround Them" and now people are bringing GUNS to Obama rally's.

What's next?

[Paradoxium]

the more people ***** about people bringing guns to the rally, the more they will bring guns to the rally :funny:

[Franklin Richards]

Until someone makes a wrong move and gets riddled with bullets.


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[voyzovrezon]

Beck's mysterious vacation (http://www.examiner.com/x-4383-Portland-Progressive-Examiner~y2009m8d20-Glenn-Becks-mysterious-vacation):


(http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheat-sheet/?cid=hp:cheatsheet5#cheatrow_8639)Media reports (http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheat-sheet/?cid=hp:cheatsheet5#cheatrow_8639) indicate FOX News personality Glenn Beck is taking an apparently unscheduled, forced vacation in light of recent reactions to his controversial performance. Beck is under fire for numerous gaffs and blunders. Perhaps his biggest faux pas (http://www.examiner.com/x-4383-Portland-Progressive-Examiner%7Ey2009m7d29-Glenn-Beck-on-Obamas-hatred-of-white-people-white-culture) was calling President Barack Obama “a racist,” and claiming the president “has a deep-seated hatred for white people or the white culture.” Beck made the comments on the “Fox and Friends” program on July 28

There's an update saying Beck's vacation is planned, and as long as Beck is a ratings winner for FOX, they'll sponsor him themselves.

[voyzovrezon]

the more people ***** about people bringing guns to the rally, the more they will bring guns to the rally :funny:

Yeah, real funny. Like Franklin said, until someone....

[Nivek]

One of these wack jobs will do something to cause a change in law about public gatherings and demonstrations, you can't have that many people lacking common sense (by bringing concealed handguns semi-auto assault rifles) and gathering after being prodded with a stick by corporate lobbyists and the clowns at FOX news and not expect something stupid and tragic to happen.

[Matt Mortem]

Eventually some redneck retard is going to do something stupid and the people at FOX are just goading them on. As soon as someone gets shot at one of these there will be chaos and we may very well lose Amendments 1&2. All because of a few fear-mongerers who want ratings

[StorminNorman]

Then it should be on Comedy Central, not FOX "NEWS."

:facepalm

Why?

Eventually some redneck retard is going to do something stupid and the people at FOX are just goading them on. As soon as someone gets shot at one of these there will be chaos and we may very well lose Amendments 1&2. All because of a few fear-mongerers who want ratings

Blaming Fox for anti-Obama sentiment is obviously ridiculous.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Yeah, Fox would be all over the other cable news shows if people were bringing guns to a republican rally.

But to be fair, they're both more than happy to blast each other on topics they'd support otherwise.

[Paradoxium]

Yeah, real funny. Like Franklin said, until someone....Honestly, do you really think this would be happening if people didn't raise such a stink over that one guy. Why give them the incentive to persist.

[Nivek]

The gun thing is crossing a line. As far as why they keep acting like there is nothing wrong with it? Who the hell knows...

[LouFerignoDemon]

Yeah, I'm all about your right to bear arms, but it's not like Obama and the UN are coming to TAKE their guns at the rally.

I can understand the guy with a pistol, cause he probably takes it with him everywhere. But I highly doubt the other guy with the rifle does. He was easily crossing the line.

[Paradoxium]

That's the problem, the big stink is giving attention whores the incentive to come out of the wood works.

[StorminNorman]

No, in this case kid, it is very, very deserving and appropriate. They are consciously misinforming and antagonizing a fringe part of their viewership. Throwing Chum in the water. If anything happens, they will be looked at, just like that cop killer in Pittsburgh..

I wonder if most of this recent surge in ratings is anyone tuning in to hear the crazy talk and the level of lobbyist funded spin just to justify how off the rails they are.

I can just Imagine the vitrol from FOX if MSNBC or CNN told people it was within their rights to bring guns to Bush rallies.

This incorrect line of thinking is exactly what is going to benefit conservatives.

[StorminNorman]

Yeah, I'm all about your right to bear arms, but it's not like Obama and the UN are coming to TAKE their guns at the rally.

I can understand the guy with a pistol, cause he probably takes it with him everywhere. But I highly doubt the other guy with the rifle does. He was easily crossing the line.

Actually apparently the black guy with the assault rifle DOES take it everywhere with him.

[Nivek]

This incorrect line of thinking is exactly what is going to benefit conservatives.


"Incorrect"? What is so incorrect about my line of thinking. If the gun was in the other hand, as stated, FOX would be raving about Terroristic Threats.

You can't pick and choose which President get's certain protections. And for a news channel that keeps telling people 'It's within your rights" to bring weapons to peaceful political meetings, regardless of the legal stipulations, basic common sense should tell you not to do it. And this isn't Comedy Central, it's a network that labels itself a news channel. Shame on them.

[Addendum]

So I guess what I heard about black guys is just a stereotype

[Matt Mortem]

Blaming Fox for anti-Obama sentiment is obviously ridiculous.
I guess I phrased that wrong. I'm not blaming them for creating an anti-Obama sentiment, that would exist regardless of what news corp said what. I would, however, say that FOX is fueling the fire. And if not FOX commentators like Glenn Beck certainly do. He's a sensationalist.

[StorminNorman]

If Glenn Beck believes Obama is bad for the country, he has a duty to fuel anti-Obama sentiments. Just like when Olbermann called Bush a fascist and telling him to "shut the hell up". It goes on both sides.

[Matt Mortem]

That's where the first amendment comes in. Beck is doing what he believes is his duty as an American, unfortunately the people bringing assault rifles to protests are eventually going to get someone hurt. I believe that every American should have a right to have and keep a weapon, however I'm afraid bringing weapons to protests will cause hysteria. This is a slippery slope and I think the left and the right need to find a balance and quick.

[bell110]

I don't get why people bring guns to protest the healthcare bill. What does the second amendment have to do with healthcare?

It's posing and hoping for trouble. They are hoping something will come of it so they can go crying that Obama and the Democrats are trampling their second amendment rights.

I really hope that some pro-healthcare people start showing up with guns aswell. I'm starting to think it's time to buy my first gun for this reason.

[hippie_hunter]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/13/ann-coulter-ezekiel-emanu_n_258365.html



Conservatives just want to kill everything that moves, don't they?

I really doubt that Ann Coulter is that conservative. I think it's all an act to get attention and as the Boondocks says get all that redneck money.

[Nivek]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v418/AuntPetunia/bomb.jpg


:thing: :doom: :thing:

Thanks for posting that, I think people need to be reminded of that when it comes to this current mindset.

[Kelly]

I don't think the current "mindset" of 99.99999999% of the people in these town halls is anywhere near that.....


And people talk about fear mongering??????

[Alastor]

I don't think the current "mindset" of 99.99999999% of the people in these town halls is anywhere near that.....


And people talk about fear mongering??????


Oh please, thats hardly fear mongering. What Glen Beck does, Rush Limbaugh, thats fear mongering. And who cares if a majority of the crowds are level headed (or as you say 99.999999% of them)? It only takes one crazy person to do something terrible. And guess what, if they do, its going to be because they think he's a facist, socialist, foreigner who wants to destroy this country from the inside out. I wonder where they got that idea?

[Marlboro Man]

Even the people that wanted to talk to her I'm sure she can find time out of her 'busy' schedule to make a few phone calls a day.

Yep... Because senators don't work... they have all this spare time to sit around hamming it up with constituents on the phone... some of whom probably can't locate Missouri on a map let alone have any idea what they're talking about when it comes to health care...

[Kelly]

Oh please, thats hardly fear mongering. What Glen Beck does, Rush Limbaugh, thats fear mongering. And who cares if a majority of the crowds are level headed (or as you say 99.999999% of them)? It only takes one crazy person to do something terrible. And guess what, if they do, its going to be because they think he's a facist, socialist, foreigner who wants to destroy this country from the inside out. I wonder where they got that idea?

You can say that with any issue.....

I think its wrong to judge a group of people by one or two.....

BTW, I've called Beck and Rush on that same thing....

Who is "they" the 5 people carrying the swastika signs and the guy with the guy....or the 1,000's of others that are simply letting their thoughts be known? which "they" are you talking about.....

Do I judge the Islamic religion by their fringe, no......and this type of judgment is just as ignorant, IMO.

[Alastor]

I wasn't trying to lump all conservatives together, sorry it came off that way. They "they" I was referring to was the fringe elements, not all Republicans. So don't call me ignorant.

However, saying that it was 5 out of 1000 is a bit off though. While this group is fringe, its by no means small.

[Kelly]

I wasn't trying to lump all conservatives together, sorry it came off that way. They "they" I was referring to was the fringe elements, not all Republicans. So don't call me ignorant.

However, saying that it was 5 out of 1000 is a bit off though. While this group is fringe, its by no means small.

I did not call you ignorant, I said that judgment of that nature is ignorant.

Give me a number then....

[Marx]

No one is calling anyone ignorant. I would just be very careful about lumping everyone together because of the actions of a few idiots.

[Franklin Richards]

Unfortunately it's not a few. How many Militia member are there in the US? Because that's the kooks.



:thing: :doom: :thing:

[voyzovrezon]

If Glenn Beck believes Obama is bad for the country, he has a duty to fuel anti-Obama sentiments.

A duty? :hehe:

Who put Beck in charge of the anti-Obama brigade?

LIke I said, he should be on Comedy Central, not FOX "News."

[Kelly]

I think you have to have at least a semblance of a Beck on TV, maybe not as crazy as he is....but a voice.....simply to counter the "I feel a tingle up my leg when he speaks (Obama)" loving media.....I just see them countering each other. Beck has good and bad shows, they all do....its just that Beck comes off as "bat****" crazy.....

[DACrowe]

I like how those who defend Beck and yellow journalism (on both sides) hide behind basic rhetoric about free speech. No one is saying he doesn't have the right to free speech. But we can critically view him as a charleton and a hypocrite who spews half-truths or bold faced lies to appeal to his viewers in the name of entertainment and supplant false ideas in the heads of the faithful who believe what he says because he is on a channel with News in the title. And we can observe that his dangerous rhetoric and those like him have increased a violent and divisive tone in this country.

Sure he has the right to say what he wants. But he can be openly criticized for lying and fanning the flames of hatred along partisan and cultural lines. And to point that out is not being "ridiculous" at all.

[Kelly]

I like how those who defend Beck and yellow journalism (on both sides) hide behind basic rhetoric about free speech. No one is saying he doesn't have the right to free speech. But we can critically view him as a charleton and a hypocrite who spews half-truths or bold faced lies to appeal to his viewers in the name of entertainment and supplant false ideas in the heads of the faithful who believe what he says because he is on a channel with News in the title. And we can observe that his dangerous rhetoric and those like it has increased a violent and divisive tone in this country.

Sure he has the right to say what he wants. But he can be openly criticized for lying and fanning the flames of hatred along partisan and cultural lines. And to point that out is not being "ridiculous" at all.

Yeah, cause so many here have said that viewing him critically wasn't allowed, and we haven't allowed a thread to do just that. yeah....

[DACrowe]

Some have said criticizing Fox News for perpetuating an anti-Obama tone is ridiculous. They have the right to, but it is not ridiculous to criticize a news network for stirring the pot to dangerous levels.

[Lightning Strykez!]

Needless to say, Beck has apparently faltered big time on this issue--and I suspect there will be long-lasting implications on his career.

[Kelly]

Actually, I think time will tell in that matter. We shall see.....

[StorminNorman]

Needless to say, Beck has apparently faltered big time on this issue--and I suspect there will be long-lasting implications on his career.

Beck is more popular today than he ever was before. So we shall se.

Some have said criticizing Fox News for perpetuating an anti-Obama tone is ridiculous. They have the right to, but it is not ridiculous to criticize a news network for stirring the pot to dangerous levels.

Except that Fox News isn't stirring the pot to dangerous levels and more than MSNBC was during Bush's tenure. Or hell, as like Comedy Central was. It's only incorrectly perceived as dangerous because of this perception that Obama backlash is racially driven.

[Prison Mike]

I think you have to have at least a semblance of a Beck on TV, maybe not as crazy as he is....but a voice.....simply to counter the "I feel a tingle up my leg when he speaks (Obama)" loving media.....I just see them countering each other. Beck has good and bad shows, they all do....its just that Beck comes off as "bat****" crazy.....

I think Fox News counters the "loving media" just fine...

[Lightning Strykez!]

Beck is more popular today than he ever was before. So we shall se.


You mean he's ever more popular as major companies pull advertising support in boycotts?

He may win a battle, but if he loses the war what difference will "popularity" make among conservative audiences? It's not like they're the majority in power right now anyway.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Walmart just pulled away from him, as well.

[DACrowe]

Beck is more popular today than he ever was before. So we shall see.

He is indeed. Fox ain't going to drop him because he said something politically incorrect and probably dangerous. He'll get three weeks of probation/paid vacation and be back at it.



Except that Fox News isn't stirring the pot to dangerous levels and more than MSNBC was during Bush's tenure.

I'd agree MSNBC is culpable of bad, yellow journalism during the Bush years and even during the election season against Hillary Clinton and later McCain. Even now they are a relatively poor source for political news (which is almost all they cover at this point).

However, I never once thought that their anti-Bush, Clinton or McCain rhetoric ever involved saying that he hated a race of people (that was Kanye West) or perpetuated aggregious claims that Bush was behind 9/11, which I saw Chris Matthews routinely condemn. On the other hand Beck, the rising star of Fox, calls the president a racist and the network as a whole continues to report misinformation about death panels in the bill and leave the door open via insinuation that Obama was not born in this country. They also defend people carrying guns to Obama rallies as patriotic and condemn Congressman who chastise IDIOTS who compare Obama to Hitler.

Or hell, as like Comedy Central was. It's only incorrectly perceived as dangerous because of this perception that Obama backlash is racially driven.

That's great. Compare Fox News to a comedy channel. I'd agree that Fox News is about a reliable or respectable as that, except I'd say they're not as funny. And I don't think the entire backlash or most people who oppose Obama's policies are racially driven. But I find it VERY INTERESTING that most of these town hall protestors and Tea Party participators are white, from a certain class of the country and many over the age of 40 (though I don't know the statistic of how many). Very interesting.

[Kurosawa]

FOX is doing a disservice to Conservatives by continuing to air people like Beck, but they are more concerned with ratings, and a shock jock like Beck gets those. But if they're going to continue to give him a show, they might as well hire Michael Savage while they're at it.

Although to be honest, I think Beck says what a lot of them think but are hesitant to say.

[LouFerignoDemon]

I mean, when the guy isn't being completely freaking crazy, he's not bad. However, he's generally completely freaking crazy.

[Marlboro Man]

Beck is more popular today than he ever was before. So we shall se.



Except that Fox News isn't stirring the pot to dangerous levels and more than MSNBC was during Bush's tenure. Or hell, as like Comedy Central was. It's only incorrectly perceived as dangerous because of this perception that Obama backlash is racially driven.

I didn't know Comedy Central was a news channel.

Also, when pundits get up and say, oh, I don't know... that Obama is planning to take everyone's gun away and put them in concentration camps... I view that as dangerous. And there's no racism behind remarks like those.

Considering it was talk like that which convinced Timothy McVeigh and his friends to go to war against the United States.

[LouFerignoDemon]

I"m pretty sure only Alex Jones made the camp talks.

[Marlboro Man]

Beck repeated it. He went on about FEMA concentration camps a few months ago. Then he retracted his rant a few weeks later.

[Kelly]

Actually Beck did 2 shows, to debunk the FEMA concentration camps...

[LouFerignoDemon]

Anything about black helicopters or the Global Elite storing unmodified seeds in an underground storage bunker near the arctic circle? :P

[Kane52630]

Advertisers abandon Beck (http://tv.yahoo.com/news/article/tv-news.en.ap.org/tv-news.en.ap.org-20090824-us_tv_beck_s_advertisers)

[Paradoxium]

I hear rumors or claims ColorOfChange have done some strongarming tactics. Dunno how true that is.

Also a few of those companies have strong links to Buffet and Soros

[LouFerignoDemon]

I'm sure they're pressing harder than they claim to be.

[Paradoxium]

It wouldn't be the first time some of these community organizers did strong arming crap. I recall their same tactics for forcing out loans on the basis of the banks being racist for not lending it more to certain minorities. Of course that didn't turn out really well with the defaults from the interest resets.

[The Overlord]

Beck is more popular today than he ever was before. So we shall se.

Popularity is irrelevant, many people like crap, him being popular doesn't make any less of a fool. The man is an idiot and he is paying the price for his stupidity, he is losing sponsors for his show. If he is too stupid to understand most corporations don't like that level of controversy, then he will lose show and he deserves to lose his show.

Did he provide any evidence that Obama is racist or did he just make that up?



Except that Fox News isn't stirring the pot to dangerous levels and more than MSNBC was during Bush's tenure. Or hell, as like Comedy Central was. It's only incorrectly perceived as dangerous because of this perception that Obama backlash is racially driven.

Two wrongs don't a make a right.

[Matt Mortem]

I finally pinpointed what's been bugging me about Glenn Beck. I went to a Mormon high school (crap luck) and I had crazy teachers that would say bizarre backwards statements that would leave me dazed and confused and most of their statements sound like something Glenn Beck would say. Beck is a mormon. It all makes sense now.

[StorminNorman]

Popularity is irrelevant, many people like crap, him being popular doesn't make any less of a fool. The man is an idiot and he is paying the price for his stupidity, he is losing sponsors for his show. If he is too stupid to understand most corporations don't like that level of controversy, then he will lose show and he deserves to lose his show.

Did he provide any evidence that Obama is racist or did he just make that up?

If Beck is popular, than he won't have problem with advertising.

Two wrongs don't a make a right.

Neither were wrong, though. What Fox News is doing is no more dangerous than MSNBC's rhetoric was to Bush.

[Marlboro Man]

He's a Mormon, yeah. But that's the least of my concerns...

[The Overlord]

If Beck is popular, than he won't have problem with advertising.

Then why are sponsors dropping him then?

Lots of people who were mad about that racist remark may boycott any sponsor of Beck's show, most corporations don't like controversy, so they won't like him. He's not a very good capitalist if he couldn't figure that out.



Neither were wrong, though. What Fox News is doing is no more dangerous than MSNBC's rhetoric was to Bush.

They are all idiots though, who present entertainment as public discourse and reduce civil debate into mindless shouting matches. Overall I think that's a bad thing.

[voyzovrezon]

He's back!!:wow:

He's begging his viewers to call up their friends and watch a series he's doing this week called The New Republic:America's Future. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99cHNLusFcM)

In other words, the nazis have taken over. Run for the hills and grab your guns before we get steam rolled to death.

[StorminNorman]

Then why are sponsors dropping him then?

Lots of people who were mad about that racist remark may boycott any sponsor of Beck's show, most corporations don't like controversy, so they won't like him. He's not a very good capitalist if he couldn't figure that out.

Because of his recent antics. But sponsors dropping him, in the long run, isn't a problem if he remains hugely popular. Those sponors will be replaced with others.


They are all idiots though, who present entertainment as public discourse and reduce civil debate into mindless shouting matches. Overall I think that's a bad thing.

I'm apathetic.

He's back!!:wow:

He's begging his viewers to call up their friends and watch a series he's doing this week called The New Republic:America's Future. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99cHNLusFcM)

In other words, the nazis have taken over. Run for the hills and grab your guns before we get steam rolled to death.

I wonder if someone in Germany after Hitler's election went around talking about how the government was going to remove jews from their homes and throw them into ovens, was going to try to conquer the world and become one of the most perfect examples of evil in world history - if people would have responded similar to this.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Beck is a jackass.

But, he's a popular jackass.

I've heard, and I think it's possible, that he's probably more popular than the other commentators on Fox News.

Before this, "Obama is a racist" ********, I thought him going primetime was a real possibility.

Beck, and Fox News for that matter, is mainstream. I think they're ratings, which I guess is quantimfied by popularity...proves that.

Beck will live on. He's too popular to suddenly vanish from all media existence.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I wonder if someone in Germany after Hitler's election went around talking about how the government was going to remove jews from their homes and throw them into ovens, was going to try to conquer the world and become one of the most perfect examples of evil in world history - if people would have responded similar to this.


Probably.

And, another Obama is Hitler comment goes by. :word:

subtle, too.

[The Overlord]

Because of his recent antics. But sponsors dropping him, in the long run, isn't a problem if he remains hugely popular. Those sponors will be replaced with others. .

Maybe, but it does limit his chances of getting a Prime Time show now.

This just proves he is an idiot and unworthy of any real consideration as a political thinker. He's just some idiot side show attraction and I don't give a crap how popualar he is, he has a bad product and has no business being a news channel.




I'm apathetic. .

Well people like that are dumbing down public discourse in general and I think that's a bad thing.



I wonder if someone in Germany after Hitler's election went around talking about how the government was going to remove jews from their homes and throw them into ovens, was going to try to conquer the world and become one of the most perfect examples of evil in world history - if people would have responded similar to this.

Of course there was far more evidence Hitler was going to do that then for Obama. Do you really think its fair to compare Obama to Hitler? Seriously, is that what you are saying?

[Kurosawa]

Hitler was the head of the Nazi party. The Nazi party were socialists who took over the banks, auto industry, etc etc just like the current administration is doing. That's all Beck and the Republicans are implying. Also, Pelosi was the first to start with the Nazi labeling.

It's absurd and inaccurate on both parts, although it is true that the Bush family did do business in Nazi Germany at one time, although they pulled out and participated in the American war effort later.

The details:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar

Granted, it is a left wing paper, but the documentation is solid. Not that making the jump from this to President Bush being a Nazi isn't bat-**** crazy; it is. But there is more legal documentation towards the Bush family having Nazi ties than there is toward the insane claims of the birthers-claims 39% (!!) of Republicans think may be legitimate.

Plus the general concept of an African American man being a Nazi is just totally insane. The Nazis killed people like Obama and the far far far insane right (not the GOP) would like to as well.

[The Overlord]

Hitler was the head of the Nazi party. The Nazi party were socialists who took over the banks, auto industry, etc etc just like the current administration is doing. That's all Beck and the Republicans are implying. Also, Pelosi was the first to start with the Nazi labeling.

Yes, clearly that's why everyone hated the Nazis, their economic policies. :whatever: Is Sweden controlled by nazis now?

Unless you have evidence Obama is planning on commiting genocide, saying
Obama is anything like Hitler is a clear example of Godwin's law and those who bring it up deserve contempt.

[Paradoxium]

I like how people make a big fuss over Becky and Palin the media talking heads, meanwhile Bernanke the economic regulator, who gets all forecasts wrong, lies every time, actually in charge of something that is a big ****ing deal.... gets reappointed without so much of a squeal or shrug.

[Superman]

I'm really surprised at just how many big money sponsors like Walmart have dropped Beck. I've never seen this many sponsors drop one show like this. Maybe one or two sponsors might drop a show from time to time over something but to have what...? 20? 25? sponsors drop one show within two weeks?:wow:

I don't care how popular he is if he keeps losing big money sponsors like this Fox will have no choice but to drop him.

[Superman]

Hitler was the head of the Nazi party. The Nazi party were socialists who took over the banks, auto industry, etc etc just like the current administration is doing. That's all Beck and the Republicans are implying. Also, Pelosi was the first to start with the Nazi labeling.Oh please.:whatever:

[Shifty]

I'm really surprised at just how many big money sponsors like Walmart have dropped Beck. I've never seen this many sponsors drop one show like this. Maybe one or two sponsors might drop a show from time to time over something but to have what...? 20? 25? sponsors drop one show within two weeks?:wow:

I don't care how popular he is if he keeps losing big money sponsors like this Fox will have no choice but to drop him.

Happened to Bill Maher after 9/11. His comments sent advertisers away but not viewers, though I'm sure he's much happier being on HBO.

Jim Cramer said the advertisers will come back to Beck.

[Hobgoblin]

Personally I think that all of these comparisons between Bush or Obama or ANYONE to Hitler is ridiculous. Hitler was an extreme. Our politicians, irritating, corrupt and lousy as they may be are a far cry from Adolph Hitler. To compare these people to that monster isnt just inaccurate, it trivializes the horror of the Third Reich.

[Marx]

Exactly, Demo.

[Paradyme]

I think it's more of a parallel than a comparison. Obama and Bush aren't Hitler or can't be considered Hitler by comparison because they haven't necessarily been responsible for killing millions of Jews. I think they are showing the parallels of Hitler's rise to power and Obama's.

That is what I'm taking away from all this Hitler talk. I could be wrong though by trying to rationalize his thoughts.

[Hobgoblin]

I think it's more of a parallel than a comparison. Obama and Bush aren't Hitler or can't be considered Hitler by comparison because they haven't necessarily been responsible for killing millions of Jews. I think they are showing the parallels of Hitler's rise to power and Obama's.

That is what I'm taking away from all this Hitler talk. I could be wrong though by trying to rationalize his thoughts.

But still, ANY charismatic politician could be seen as rising meteorically to power. Reagan was the Great Communicator and some people actually thought he was the Anti-Christ. Bill Clinton was known for his charm and many people considered him a liberal extremist. For all his faults, he was no monster. I have no use for George W Bush, but even I wouldnt call him Hitler.

I suppose, in a way, all of this is a good thing. We are so terrified of our leaders becoming tyrants that we will go ape if we ever actually do elect a monster.

[Hobodeluxe]

the closest we got to Hitler is Dubyah.
His popularity was sinking fast until the 9/11 Reichstag fire.
He preemptively invaded and occupied other countries.
He consolidated power under him through the Patriot and war powers act.
He spied on his own people.
He funded propaganda.
He made religious appeals and claimed divine authority.
He authorized mistreatment of others.
He put in his own private intel and military operations free from congressional oversight into the war zones.
He installed ideologues into high positions of govt who's agenda was reshaping the middle east through American hegemony.
He installed loyalists into the Justice dept to perform political hit jobs to affect elections.

[Marx]

the closest we got to Hitler is Dubyah.
His popularity was sinking fast until the 9/11 Reichstag fire.
He preemptively invaded and occupied other countries.
He consolidated power under him through the Patriot and war powers act.
He spied on his own people.
He funded propaganda.
He made religious appeals and claimed divine authority.
He authorized mistreatment of others.
He put in his own private intel and military operations free from congressional oversight into the war zones.

Still...Bush does not equal Hitler.

[The Overlord]

So everyone here is ignoring the fact that Pelosi said that normal, everyday Americans who voiced their opinions at tea parties and townhall meetings are Nazis?

Since when did two wrongs make a right though?

[Addendum]

Actually, the closest we got to Hitler was when the Allies and the Soviets met in Torgau in World War 2.

[BlackestNight]

Popularity is irrelevant, many people like crap, him being popular doesn't make any less of a fool. The man is an idiot and he is paying the price for his stupidity, he is losing sponsors for his show. If he is too stupid to understand most corporations don't like that level of controversy, then he will lose show and he deserves to lose his show.

Did he provide any evidence that Obama is racist or did he just make that up?




Two wrongs don't a make a right.

I believe he just wants to be a Howard Stern like figure.

[Kurosawa]

I believe he just wants to be a Howard Stern like figure.

That's exactly it. And it is working for him. But if FOX wanted to be a more serious voice for the right, they would get rid of him. It would make their network more credible.

[Paradoxium]

Obama sucks so much, he is as bad as George W. Bush. :cmad::up:

[Hobgoblin]

Obama sucks so much, he is as bad as George W. Bush. :cmad::up:

Wait a minute. How has Obama managed to cram 8 years of GWB level suckage into 7 months? :huh:

[Kelly]

With calm, assuring, smiles and great speeches....

I'm a ****ing idiot.....

[BlackestNight]

Wait a minute. How has Obama managed to cram 8 years of GWB level suckage into 7 months? :huh:

Black Magic!!!!! :hehe:

[Paradoxium]

Wait a minute. How has Obama managed to cram 8 years of GWB level suckage into 7 months? :huh:
That's a good question.

....you have to suck really hard to pull that off :woot:

[Kurosawa]

Until he has 4000+ dead soldiers on his hands for no legit reason, he is WAY better than Bush.

[Paradoxium]

Do not underestimate the power of fail Kurosawa :woot:

[The Overlord]

I believe he just wants to be a Howard Stern like figure.

That would be fine if it aren't for the fact so many people treat him like a legit political thinker. When people are shouting at Health care town halls that Obama is a socialist and are using Glenn Beck as the source of that claim, there is a problem.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

So everyone here is ignoring the fact that Pelosi said that normal, everyday Americans who voiced their opinions at tea parties (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=300306&page=22#) and townhall meetings are Nazis?


She said that? When?

[Paradoxium]

Who cares what Pelosi says.

She was stupid enough to say 500 million Americans lost jobs in a month... twice... despite being corrected the first time.

[Schlosser85]

until he has 4000+ dead soldiers on his hands for no legit reason, he is way better than bush.



qft

[voyzovrezon]

Found this gem.

I think Glenn Beck is talking to the spoon and the spoon is talking back:

QvMotQEHXjs

[Superman]

So everyone here is ignoring the fact that Pelosi said that normal, everyday Americans who voiced their opinions at tea parties and townhall meetings are Nazis?You got a link to this?








This should be good.:whatever:

[Theweepeople]

You got a link to this?








This should be good.:whatever:

This is the first and may be the last time I post any messages in the political forms. These debates are all very interesting but, I don't have the time nor the patience to contribute much on how I feel about the state of our nation. I am convinced this nation is heading for an economic disaster that no party will be able to fix in the near future. That being said both parties are to blame for this mess which started many decades ago.



I thought the information about Pelosi was old news. Seriously, you must be living in a closet to not know about the nutjob's absurd comments.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4UujNkWfGE


Feel free to continue debating. I will sit back, watch from the sideline, and continue to be entertained by all of this.

[Hobgoblin]

Found this gem.

I think Glenn Beck is talking to the spoon and the spoon is talking back:

QvMotQEHXjs

Well...Glenn talking to a spoon is just vintage Glenn.

As for changing history and traditions, I'm not sure what Michelle meant. If she really did mean "change our history and traditions," in no way am I in favor of that. I like Christmas and the Forth of July just like most people.

If, however, she meant that we need to "make history" and change our negative habits, I'm all for it. We have a "tradition" of using gas guzzling cars, taking more than we need and spending more than we have.That needs to change.

Hopefully, Michelle just used poor choices of words. Re-writing history is always a scary move by leaders.

[Marlboro Man]

Yeah... I don't think a Christian like Michelle Obama is planning on changing Christmas any time soon. :whatever:

[Hobgoblin]

Yeah... I don't think a Christian like Michelle Obama is planning on changing Christmas any time soon. :whatever:

Didnt you hear? Liberals and Democrats are hellspawns of Satan. Beck even said so in the video.

[Superman]

So everyone here is ignoring the fact that Pelosi said that normal, everyday Americans who voiced their opinions at tea parties and townhall meetings are Nazis?

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/08/06/pelosi-beware-of-astroturfers-carrying-swastikas/

http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/pelosi_limbaush_swastikas/2009/08/07/245316.html

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/Mr_-President_-Americans-are-not-an-_angry-mob_-8076144-52674832.htmlNice try but not once did she call anyone "Nazis". She did call them "Astroturf" and she did point out the fact that these people are carrying signs with "swastikas and symbols like that" but nowhere in any of the links you gave did she call anyone "Nazis".

She was asked if she thought there was "legitimate grassroots opposition" at recent town hall events. She responded...

"I think they're Astroturf; you be the judge. They're carrying swastikas and symbols like that to a town meeting on health care."


Nice try though. You should work for Fox News what with the way you spin the facts.:whatever:


Oh and another thing. Next time you want to try to prove a point about Obama, Try doing it without linking us to Right Wing Neo-Con sites that have an agenda against Obama.

Thank you.

[Theweepeople]

Before I leave these forums forever, could someone explain to me what motivated Nancy Pelosi to make these statements? Did Nancy make these statements because:


A. Even though Nancy has not attended these meetings to confirm her claims and no photographs or video footage of people wearing these symbols have surfaced there really are people carrying swastikas at the town hall meetings.

B. Nancy's close advisors agreed it would be a good idea to discredit the protesters by making up a rumor about them bringing natzi symbols to the events because most americans regard those wearing this racist paraphernalia as ignorant, racist, and irrelevant wack jobs.

C. Nancy is merely referring to a peculiar social organization whose members don't believe in natzism, aren't trying to offend anyone, yet have a strange desire to carry or wear natzi symbols in public.

D. Nancy somehow inexplicably went to all the town hall meetings in disguise and took photos of the people carrying the swastikas. She will be releasing this controversial evidence soon to prove she was right about these evil protesters all along.

[Marlboro Man]

Before I leave these forums forever, could someone explain to me what motivated Nancy Pelosi to make these statements? Did Nancy make these statements because:


A. Even though Nancy has not attended these meetings to confirm her claims and no photographs or video footage of people wearing these symbols have surfaced there really are people carrying swastikas at the town hall meetings.

B. Nancy's close advisors agreed it would be a good idea to discredit the protesters by making up a rumor about them bringing natzi symbols to the events because most americans regard those wearing this racist paraphernalia as ignorant, racist, and irrelevant wack jobs.

C. Nancy is merely referring to a peculiar social organization whose members don't believe in natzism, aren't trying to offend anyone, yet have a strange desire to carry or wear natzi symbols in public.

E. Nancy somehow inexplicably went to all the town hall meetings in disguise and took photos of the people carrying the swastikas. She will be releasing this controversial evidence soon to prove she was right about these evil protesters all along.

Point A is ********. There is a video circulating the web at a town hall with Barney Frank, where a woman holds up a picture of Obama defaced to look like Hitler with a swastika on the photo as well.

Point B is ********. See point A.

Point C is ********. See video referenced in point A.

There's no point D.

Point E is ********. See widely disseminated video in point A.

Oh, and you spelled "nazi" incorrectly. :o

[Marlboro Man]

Not to mention that everywhere but Fox news, these folks that speak out at town hall meetings are being labeled as angry mobs who basically don't know what they're talking about by newscasters and politicians.

Do you watch any of these town hall events? Or read any of the articles about them?

Ben Cardin was shouted at in Maryland a few weeks ago.

My Congressman, Parker Griffith, was shouted at too. Repeatedly.

Then there was one event in Idaho last week where Rep. Walt Minnick was booed and harassed practically every time he opened his mouth.

Minnick, by the way, is the most conservative Democrat in Congress.

Funny thing though... Senator Crapo, a Republican from Idaho, called in during that town hall event... and every person there was quiet and respectful to him.

Strange that a "polite and respectful" crowd would shout at the Democrat present, but be quiet and attentive as soon as a Republican started speaking.

It's not like politics had anything to do with it, right?

[Theweepeople]

Point A is ********. There is a video circulating the web at a town hall with Barney Frank, where a woman holds up a picture of Obama defaced to look like Hitler with a swastika on the photo as well.

Point B is ********. See point A.

Thanks for the information but, one wack job represents less than 1% of the people at the town hall meetings so Point B has plenty of merit. Nancy Pelosi was asked a general comment about what she thought of the town hall meetings as a whole and she referred to basically all of the protesters as nazis. That can be interpreted as a lie or misrepresentation of the truth.


Point C is ********. See video referenced in point A.

Actually, point C was an obvious attempt at humor. Whether you considered my attempt to be funny or not I got a laugh out of the possibility of you misinterpreting my intention.

There's no point D.

Thanks for stating the obvious editing mistake that led to a correction that came before you posted this message.

Point E is ********. See widely disseminated video in point A.

See my second above response.

Oh, and you spelled "nazi" incorrectly. :o

Thanks for correcting me. Spelling was never one of my strong points but, fortunately for me it's not essential in my career. Besides, whenever I write a report for my boss I just use the word spell check program in microsoftword to check my spelling so there's no need for you to be concerned about my spelling deficiencies.

[Superman]

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How dare Pelosi say that people are carrying signs with swastikas at town hall events?:whatever:


Some of you need to stop watching Fox News.

[Theweepeople]

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How dare Pelosi say that people are carrying signs with swastikas at town hall events?:whatever:

I've only seen four photos with swastikas so maybe 4 to 10 people out of thousands who've attended these town hall meetings are racist wackos. That's well below the majority of the people who've protested. Is it really that difficult to conceptualize the idea that Pelosi heard there were a few racist swastika carrying wacko protesters at these meetings and decided to take advantage of an opportunity to demonize all of the protesters by associating them with the crazies?

[Paradyme]

But still, ANY charismatic politician could be seen as rising meteorically to power. Reagan was the Great Communicator and some people actually thought he was the Anti-Christ. Bill Clinton was known for his charm and many people considered him a liberal extremist. For all his faults, he was no monster. I have no use for George W Bush, but even I wouldnt call him Hitler.

I suppose, in a way, all of this is a good thing. We are so terrified of our leaders becoming tyrants that we will go ape if we ever actually do elect a monster.

Exactly, to me really the whole message, despite the Hitler comments, is really about paying attention and making sure we are at the least understanding what is going on around us.

There are always going to be those people that are going to take messages to the opposite extreme regardless of how you say it.

[StorminNorman]

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How dare Pelosi say that people are carrying signs with swastikas at town hall events?:whatever:


Some of you need to stop watching Fox News.

There is nothing wrong with carrying swastikas in relationship to Obama comparing him to a nazi. It's the same rhetoric we saw from Democrats against Bush for years and is completely harmless.

I thought Pelosi was trying to say that the protesters carrying swastikas were doing so to represent THEIR OWN views, saying they are Nazi's.

If she was referring to the latter, then her entire argument is even more ridiculous than I thought.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Yeah... I dunno if it's acceptable for pretty much anybody to be accusing someone of using Nazi politics, unless they're actually using Nazi politics, Democrat or Republican.

Nazi's were their own breed of crazy evil.

[Hobgoblin]

Exactly, to me really the whole message, despite the Hitler comments, is really about paying attention and making sure we are at the least understanding what is going on around us.

There are always going to be those people that are going to take messages to the opposite extreme regardless of how you say it.

Thats right. But shouldnt the town hall protesters at least be listening to what the speakers are saying instead of being loud and disruptive? They could learn a lot by listening. They dont want to understand, they are too scared by the idea of socialism (whether or not the health plan really is) to listen. Thats the problem. Listen and learn. If you dont like it, write to your Congressman. Simple as that.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Well, if it's universal healthcare it would be a socialist type system.

And trying to push that on a community that grew up hating Communism and Socialism is going to be hard road way or the other. It's probably why they don't want to listen.

And they DEFINITELY don't feel the need to write to a congressman, if they can just yell at him right there. lol

[Oddzball]

I've only seen four photos with swastikas so maybe 4 to 10 people out of thousands who've attended these town hall meetings are racist wackos. That's well below the majority of the people who've protested. Is it really that difficult to conceptualize the idea that Pelosi heard there were a few racist swastika carrying wacko protesters at these meetings and decided to take advantage of an opportunity to demonize all of the protesters by associating them with the crazies?

Beck made no comments on frequency of swastika appearances. he stated outright there weren't any for the expessed purpose of calling pelosi a liAR.

Looks like Beck's the liar.

[Paradyme]

Thats right. But shouldnt the town hall protesters at least be listening to what the speakers are saying instead of being loud and disruptive? They could learn a lot by listening. They dont want to understand, they are too scared by the idea of socialism (whether or not the health plan really is) to listen. Thats the problem. Listen and learn. If you dont like it, write to your Congressman. Simple as that.

They should be listening and when they disagree with something they should make it vocal. That, to me, is the point of a town hall. I think the 'representative' should speak their piece and then take questions.

[Paradoxium]

More Right Wing nutjobs up to no good. All thanks to Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin.

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/politics/story/9550E4A006F3C0608625761D0013B653?OpenDocument
A federal search warrant obtained by the Post-Dispatch connects a former Republican campaign strategist to a Clayton bombing last year that seriously injured an attorney.

About two months after the October bombing, federal law enforcement officials searched the downtown loft of Milton H. “Skip” Ohlsen III, seeking “evidence related to the planning, execution, and/or cover-up of the bombing in Clayton, Missouri, on October 16, 2008.” Ohlsen in recent weeks has been at the center of a swirling political scandal that is threatening the political careers of at least two Missouri Republican legislators.

http://www.statesman.com/news/content/news/stories/local/2009/08/24/0824kibby.html A Texas woman faces trial this month in Austin on charges she threatened to kill a government informant who infiltrated an Austin-based group that planned to bomb the Democrat National Convention in St. Paul, Minn., last fall…

…Crowder and McKay were part of a group of activists that had gone to the Twin Cities to take part in street demonstrations. The FBI had infiltrated the group with Darby. Crowder and McKay built eight of the gasoline firebombs but didn’t use them, a fact law enforcement officials credited to Darby.

Members of the Austin protest community heaped scorn on Darby, saying he had betrayed longtime friends and colleagues.

:woot:

[StorminNorman]

Thats right. But shouldnt the town hall protesters at least be listening to what the speakers are saying instead of being loud and disruptive? They could learn a lot by listening. They dont want to understand, they are too scared by the idea of socialism (whether or not the health plan really is) to listen. Thats the problem. Listen and learn. If you dont like it, write to your Congressman. Simple as that.

What has gotten more done, protesting town hall meetings - or sending letters to Congressmen that will never read them?

The town hall protests have been successful in sinking the Health Care Reform Bill.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

So...Pelosi DIDN'T call regular Americans Nazi?

Great.

Now we can call off the firing squad.

Right...?

And I love the Republican rhetoric of, "they did it first".

It's so pathetically childish, you can't help but laugh at them.

[StorminNorman]

So...Pelosi DIDN'T call regular Americans Nazi?

Great.

Now we can call off the firing squad.

Right...?

And I love the Republican rhetoric of, "they did it first".

It's so pathetically childish, you can't help but laugh at them.

I disagree. I think the "they did it first" defense is perfectly excusable because of how Democrats are phrasing these protests. Liberals are trying to paint comparisons to Hitler to Obama, vocal opposition to Obama, vulgar obscenities to Obama, hanging in effigy of Obama - as obvious acts of racists. Many of these same Democrats either cheered or were silent as these SAME forms of political protest were directed at Bush.

As such, it's insane to say that just because Obama is black, making outrageous and over the top opposition to the President is racist. The "they did it first" excuse is valid.

[Hobgoblin]

What has gotten more done, protesting town hall meetings - or sending letters to Congressmen that will never read them?

The town hall protests have been successful in sinking the Health Care Reform Bill.

Seems to me they should be quiet, let the person speak and then start screaming, if they so wish. Being disruptive is childish.

[Superman]

Seems to me they should be quiet, let the person speak and then start screaming, if they so wish. Being disruptive is childish.Screaming at these things is childish no matter what side you are on.

You don't have to scream to get your point across. These people who are being disruptive don't want a debate, They just want to stop the Dems at all costs. The Dems could give them everything they want in this bill and they would still try to stop it because it's Obama, A Democrat, signing the bill.

The sad part is that the people at the town hall meetings are to damn dumb to realize that they are being used by the Republicans, Fox News and the Insurance companies.:whatever:

[Kelly]

Screaming at these things is childish no matter what side you are on.

You don't have to scream to get your point across. These people who are being disruptive don't want a debate, They just want to stop the Dems at all costs. The Dems could give them everything they want in this bill and they would still try to stop it because it's Obama, A Democrat, signing the bill.

The sad part is that the people at the town hall meetings are to damn dumb to realize that they are being used by the Republicans, Fox News and the Insurance companies.:whatever:

Actually we don't know that for sure considering many Dems have been on the schtick lately of going back to the "public option" plan and passing this through with the nuke so to speak.

And those angry, will simply be told once again.....sorry, your candidate didn't win....even though those that are angry are from not only the Republican party, but also the dems, and a large number of independents like myself who actually voted for Obama....

Do I like it when they start yelling as soon as the speaker begins to speak....no, but I'm not going to judge the "Angry mob" so to speak, by those that shout others down....I will simply continue to say that if this bill does not include Tort Reform, it will receive a fond word from me. I will not be deterred from that by the shouts of others.

[Kane52630]

i dont know about you guys but i like Obama but hate Pelosi

[The Overlord]

I disagree. I think the "they did it first" defense is perfectly excusable because of how Democrats are phrasing these protests. Liberals are trying to paint comparisons to Hitler to Obama, vocal opposition to Obama, vulgar obscenities to Obama, hanging in effigy of Obama - as obvious acts of racists. Many of these same Democrats either cheered or were silent as these SAME forms of political protest were directed at Bush.

As such, it's insane to say that just because Obama is black, making outrageous and over the top opposition to the President is racist. The "they did it first" excuse is valid.

Just like its insane to say Obama's racist, like Glenn Beck did? Did Beck provide any evidence that Obama was racist or did he pull things out of his butt and prove what a joke he is?

What is this 5th grade?

"He started it". That's something a snot nosed kid would say.

And since when did "two wrongs make a right" become sound logic? I don't think its fair to compare anyone to Nazis, but that's just me.

Also writing to your Congress man makes you look less insane then carrying around pictures that say Obama is Hitler.

Plus aren't the pundits at Fox News engaging a double standard, saying its wrong top call Bush a Nazi, but having no problem when people compare Obama to Hitler?

[Kurosawa]

Screaming at these things is childish no matter what side you are on.

You don't have to scream to get your point across. These people who are being disruptive don't want a debate, They just want to stop the Dems at all costs. The Dems could give them everything they want in this bill and they would still try to stop it because it's Obama, A Democrat, signing the bill.

The sad part is that the people at the town hall meetings are to damn dumb to realize that they are being used by the Republicans, Fox News and the Insurance companies.:whatever:

Not to mention it's often plants from those companies that start all the shouting, then the other people do the torch and pitchfork thing.

[Kelly]

i dont know about you guys but i like Obama but hate Pelosi

Personally I like Obama, but not real impressed so far in his ability to lead.

As far as Pelosi, my thoughts on her are well known around here, I don't want to sound like a broken record....

[Hobodeluxe]

What has gotten more done, protesting town hall meetings - or sending letters to Congressmen that will never read them?

The town hall protests have been successful in sinking the Health Care Reform Bill.

I wouldn't count my chickens before they've hatched if I were you.

and the protests have done nothing. the health insurance lobbyists and their hired legislators were never going to go along with a public option anyway.

so the Dems will do it by themselves. Just like the GOP passed all of Bush's tax cuts. Through reconciliation.

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb33/hobodeluxe/little_rock_anti-integration_protes.jpg

Look familiar to anyone? They were less inhibited back then.

[Handsome Rob]

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[Matt Mortem]

wow. I never knew there were protests that called race mixing communist. Jeez

[StorminNorman]

Seems to me they should be quiet, let the person speak and then start screaming, if they so wish. Being disruptive is childish.

We can argue the maturity all day long. We cannot argue the effectiveness. The Town Hall protests have been more effective than any letter writing petition.

Just like its insane to say Obama's racist, like Glenn Beck did? Did Beck provide any evidence that Obama was racist or did he pull things out of his butt and prove what a joke he is?

What is this 5th grade?

"He started it". That's something a snot nosed kid would say.

And since when did "two wrongs make a right" become sound logic? I don't think its fair to compare anyone to Nazis, but that's just me.

Also writing to your Congress man makes you look less insane then carrying around pictures that say Obama is Hitler.

Plus aren't the pundits at Fox News engaging a double standard, saying its wrong top call Bush a Nazi, but having no problem when people compare Obama to Hitler?

You have no intention of getting it, and to be honest it isn't worth my time wasting time trying to explain it.

I wouldn't count my chickens before they've hatched if I were you.

and the protests have done nothing. the health insurance lobbyists and their hired legislators were never going to go along with a public option anyway.

so the Dems will do it by themselves. Just like the GOP passed all of Bush's tax cuts. Through reconciliation.

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb33/hobodeluxe/little_rock_anti-integration_protes.jpg

Look familiar to anyone? They were less inhibited back then.

Again, your own refusal to acknowledge the reality of the situation is the same problem that is hurting liberals today. They are so convinced that the entire opposition to this bill is fake, race driven, fueled by lobbyist money - and they hear other like minded people say similar things so often they actually believe it. All the while people to the right of that (aka most of America) falls further away from them.

Go ahead, I will have fun watching Obama, who should have been a shoe in for 2 terms, be defeated in 2012 and watch the Democratic Party lose their power before it started. :lmao:

[Kurosawa]

I wouldn't count my chickens before they've hatched if I were you.

and the protests have done nothing. the health insurance lobbyists and their hired legislators were never going to go along with a public option anyway.

so the Dems will do it by themselves. Just like the GOP passed all of Bush's tax cuts. Through reconciliation.

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb33/hobodeluxe/little_rock_anti-integration_protes.jpg

Look familiar to anyone? They were less inhibited back then.

Less inhibited but also not as well armed. This is the ancestors of the psychos of today though.

The bad thing is those idiots that have been attending conservative demonstrations like the health care town halls and the tea parties take away from any legitimate debate and drown out reasonable conservatives. Both parties have moved WAY too far from the center and they can't get anything done as a result.

[Hobodeluxe]

No Stormin I do not think all the protesters are racist. but enough of them are that the stink is rubbing off on the people there who aren't. Mostly because people like you want to pretend they don't exist or are such a small percentage as to think they don't matter.
You guys should be condemning them. Not enabling them.

People who do things like this

Terry's colleagues put on a skit with a man in an Obama mask pretending to whip a bloodied woman, who kept saying, "Massa, don't hit me no more. I got the money to kill the babies."

Terry himself dressed in a doctor's lab coat and pretended to stab a woman in a gray wig.

"There's no way to pay for this thing without killing granny," Terry explained.
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http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/vocal-minority-greet-howard-dean-at-town-hall-2009-08-26.html

Until the party itself comes out and officially condemns these people for their racist speech and acts then I will continue to say that they are complicit.

but you and I both know they will not publicly admonish Terry. They are too afraid they will piss off the pro-lifers and deathers.

The first step to overcoming a problem is to admit you have one. And I haven't seen that from you guys.
Your best arguments are intellectually dishonest. death panels,socialism etc.
You push your chest out with pride that it is working. That the exploitation of the ignorant with lies is somehow something to be proud of.
I might congratulate you if you were actually debating the issues. Instead it's disrupting the debate and denying civil discourse that your are patting yourself on the back for.
This is the party of ideas?
This is what you stand for?
Win at any cost?

For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?

[voyzovrezon]

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Interesting. I did a little poking around on the nets and found this:

http://www.amazon.com/Hammer-Hoe-Communists-Depression-Morrison/dp/0807842885

Maybe it explains this overwhelming fear of communism. A movement began in the deep south that tried to give equality to African Americans using the philosophy of communism.

The racists equate racial equality with communism.

[Hobodeluxe]

Interesting. I did a little poking around on the nets and found this:

http://www.amazon.com/Hammer-Hoe-Communists-Depression-Morrison/dp/0807842885

Maybe it explains this overwhelming fear of communism. A movement began in the deep south that tried to give equality to African Americans using the philosophy of communism.

The racists equate racial equality with communism.

The overwhelming fear comes from social engineering by the capitalist military industrial media complex.
Most of the people at these townhalls are my age or older.
We were bombarded day and night with the threat of nuclear annihilation.
Air raid sirens. Duck and Cover. The boogeyman was under everyone's bed.
The cold war was devised to keep the public in a state of fear so they could funnel money into the defense contractors by the boatloads.

this is what school was like.

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb33/hobodeluxe/duck-and-cover.jpg

and people like Glenn Beck are still under their desks and want you to join them.

[Majic Walrus]

I listened to the Glenn Beck show on the radio yesterday for ****s and rage. My God that man is so full of hate, fear, and shame that it is literally physically moving to see someone so disasterously terrified.

He was talking about 9/11 being marked as a National Day of Service. Something so insignificant and globally trivial like the next step was going to be armed guards breaking into your house and destroying all your copies of Ray Bradbury books.

[The Overlord]

You have no intention of getting it, and to be honest it isn't worth my time wasting time trying to explain it.



Now see smugness is not a good quality.

Merely answering a post with smugness isn't cool, its just rude, frankly, not I'm not truly offended, I just find this tactic laughable. You haven't earned the privilege to be smug in this thread yet.

Frankly I don't see anything to get, I see no reason to respect those who refuse to engage civil debate and see no reason to change that position.

Frankly if you want to get smug, I can play that game too: if you are defending idiots like Glenn Beck, I have to wonder how good your sense of taste is.

Frankly I can't take smugness from someone who thinks Beck is quality journalist seriously.

Beck is an idiot who has good marketing behind him, but he has very little things of value to say and that's what I care about, not how popular he is. Anyone with any sort of taste would dismiss him as a fool and not watch his show. McDonalds is the most popular restaurant in the world, but is it the best restaurant in the world?

I don't care if the masses love him, that's merely a symbol of the dumbing down of our culture, he's an idiot and deserves nothing but scorn.

[Kurosawa]

The other thing is this-if there's a conservative at a healthcare rally talking about Tort Reform, or cutting costs, or alternate options, and ten feet from him, there's someone with a gun and a sign of Obama with a Hitler mustache, which one do you think gets on TV?

[StorminNorman]

Frankly I can't take smugness from someone who thinks Beck is quality journalist seriously.

When did I ever say that Beck is a quality journalist? :lmao:

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I disagree. I think the "they did it first" defense is perfectly excusable because of how Democrats are phrasing these protests. Liberals are trying to paint comparisons to Hitler to Obama, vocal opposition to Obama, vulgar obscenities to Obama, hanging in effigy of Obama - as obvious acts of racists. Many of these same Democrats either cheered or were silent as these SAME forms of political protest were directed at Bush.

As such, it's insane to say that just because Obama is black, making outrageous and over the top opposition to the President is racist. The "they did it first" excuse is valid.

It's a bad excuse.

And makes the people doing it...rather clownish for it.

I wasn't really into politics years ago, so I know nothing about the Bush is Hitler thing.

But, to say it's okay because the other guys did it before?

...seems silly, is all.

[voyzovrezon]

The overwhelming fear comes from social engineering by the capitalist military industrial media complex.
Most of the people at these townhalls are my age or older.
We were bombarded day and night with the threat of nuclear annihilation.
Air raid sirens. Duck and Cover. The boogeyman was under everyone's bed.
The cold war was devised to keep the public in a state of fear so they could funnel money into the defense contractors by the boatloads.

this is what school was like.

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb33/hobodeluxe/duck-and-cover.jpg

and people like Glenn Beck are still under their desks and want you to join them.

Thanks for the insight. I was born during the Kennedy administration and wasn't exposed to this. At least not that I can remember.

I listened to Beck yesterday and his whole show was about connecting Obamas administrative appointments and policy advocates to domestic terrorists and, of course, communists. "Is this America?" asks Beck. "I fear...we will lose our freedom of speech." A man who was appointed in the FCC is somehow going to turn us into a Marxist regime like Venezuela.

Then he had Rush Limbaugh on via phone who said "It's the most dangerous time in our life."

Run for the hills folks, the commies are coming!

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Did Beck say the same about Bush, or something?

I mean, is he always this crazy about everyone? Or does he just have a hard on for Obama?

[StorminNorman]

It's a bad excuse.

And makes the people doing it...rather clownish for it.

I wasn't really into politics years ago, so I know nothing about the Bush is Hitler thing.

But, to say it's okay because the other guys did it before?

...seems silly, is all.

You didn't know about the Bush is Hitler thing? REALLY? REALLY?!

Again, though, it's not a "it's okay because the other guys did it" as much as "it's neither dangerous or racist as evidence by the fact this sort of rhetoric is as old as American politics itself".

I mean Jefferson and Hamilton both called each other Caesar all the time. People would hang the king of England in effigy. People would use hyperbolic terms (like calling Obama a communist) from the founding of the Constitution.

For people to be outraged at such rhetoric today just because it is being thrown at a black Democratic President is ridiculous.

[The Overlord]

When did I ever say that Beck is a quality journalist? :lmao:

You ignored almost everything I said and focused on one thing, that seems rather telling, it seems like a defense mechanism. Why, did you feel you couldn't address any other point?

If Beck is not a journalist, than what is he? An entertainer? What is an entertainer doing on a news channel?

If he's just an entertainer, why do people take him so seriously?

You can't have it both ways, either he is an entertainer and doesn't deserve to be taken seriously or he is a journalist and he does deserve to be taken seriously. You can't have it both ways.

Also if he is an entertainer, probably he shouldn't be on a news channel, he should be on an entertainment channel. This why I can't take most of the American news media seriously, they always try to confuse entertainment with public discourse.

You didn't know about the Bush is Hitler thing? REALLY? REALLY?!

Again, though, it's not a "it's okay because the other guys did it" as much as "it's neither dangerous or racist as evidence by the fact this sort of rhetoric is as old as American politics itself".

I mean Jefferson and Hamilton both called each other Caesar all the time. People would hang the king of England in effigy. People would use hyperbolic terms (like calling Obama a communist) from the founding of the Constitution.

For people to be outraged at such rhetoric today just because it is being thrown at a black Democratic President is ridiculous.

Except Hitler is about a million times worse Caesar, Caesar really wasn't that bad a guy when you put him in historical context, Hitler was and is that bad.

It serves undermine how bad Hitler was if you just compare anyone you don't like to him, that kinda trivializes the experience his victims went through. That's why we have Godwin's law.

[Kelly]

The overwhelming fear comes from social engineering by the capitalist military industrial media complex.
Most of the people at these townhalls are my age or older.
We were bombarded day and night with the threat of nuclear annihilation.
Air raid sirens. Duck and Cover. The boogeyman was under everyone's bed.
The cold war was devised to keep the public in a state of fear so they could funnel money into the defense contractors by the boatloads.

this is what school was like.

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb33/hobodeluxe/duck-and-cover.jpg

and people like Glenn Beck are still under their desks and want you to join them.

School was like that 3x a year. The only time that my parents really felt fear was during the October Missile Crisis.

While being in school during the "Communist Fear" was nothing, absolutely nothing like the fear that I hear from my students concerning terrorism, not even close.

[StorminNorman]

You ignored almost everything I said and focused on one thing, that seems rather telling, it seems like a defense mechanism. Why, did you feel you couldn't address any other point?

It's not that I couldn't - it's that there is no need to. You have your opinion and you have no interest in acknowledging any point made.

If Beck is not a journalist, than what is he? An entertainer? What is an entertainer doing on a news channel?

If he's just an entertainer, why do people take him so seriously? He's a commentator. A man with an opinion. Why do people seriously? Who knows - but that's up to the individual to decide. Apparently what he is selling is good enough for 2.5+ million people a day.

You can't have it both ways, either he is an entertainer and doesn't deserve to be taken seriously or he is a journalist and he does deserve to be taken seriously. You can't have it both ways.

Also if he is an entertainer, probably he shouldn't be on a news channel, he should be on an entertainment channel. This why I can't take most of the American news media seriously, they always try to confuse entertainment with public discourse.I have never said Beck should be treated seriously - I have simply said he isn't dangerous. I also have no reason to tell Fox News how to run a news channel, it's their job to get as much ratings as possible - and they have.


Except Hitler is about a million times worse Caesar, Caesar really wasn't that bad a guy when you put him in historical context, Hitler was and is that bad.

It serves undermine how bad Hitler was if you just compare anyone you don't like to him, that kinda trivializes the experience his victims went through. That's why we have Godwin's law.It's all in the intent of the description. It's impossible to compare the acts of Hitler to Caesar - just like no one is really comparing healthcare to the holocaust. What they are doing is trying to paint a politician with a feared historical figure. To an infant republic, Caesar was just as scary to the people as Hitler is to a people, most of which were born long after Hitler died.

[Hobodeluxe]

School was like that 3x a year. The only time that my parents really felt fear was during the October Missile Crisis.

While being in school during the "Communist Fear" was nothing, absolutely nothing like the fear that I hear from my students concerning terrorism, not even close.

They had the air raid sirens go off once a week at our school. I don't know if it was because we were close to a couple of nuclear reactors or what.

We had those duck and cover cartoons every month or so.

and to the person who said the kids are more afraid of terrorism I'd say it was because the media and the politicians have saturated the tv more now. news is more sensationalized and 24/7/365. Plus you have the terror network Fox who make it their job to go overboard and court the tin foil hat crowd.

We're a paranoid nation. We hardly ever leave the house. The kids don't play outside. (I know some do but not like they used to) We don't know our neighbors.
No wonder we have a bigger defense than the rest of the world combined.

[Kelly]

They had the air raid sirens go off once a week at our school. I don't know if it was because we were close to a couple of nuclear reactors or what.

We had those duck and cover cartoons every month or so.

and to the person who said the kids are more afraid of terrorism I'd say it was because the media and the politicians have saturated the tv more now. news is more sensationalized and 24/7/365. Plus you have the terror network Fox who make it their job to go overboard and court the tin foil hat crowd.

We're a paranoid nation. We hardly ever leave the house. The kids don't play outside. (I know some do but not like they used to) We don't know our neighbors.
No wonder we have a bigger defense than the rest of the world combined.

My parents lived near one of the largest Air Force Bases in the country, which was on the "so called" first round of nukes.....I'm sure it was different with each school district, but it wasn't a big deal to them except with the Cuban Missile Crisis. When I was in school, it was all about the Soviet Union, but we didn't see something as graphic as 9/11. Now, having lived during the "Communist Fear" and actually being in a classroom teaching watching when the 2nd plane hit on 9/11......its a totally different fear for these kiddos. Its much deeper. It was the same thing after Columbine, and even last year after all these years we had an "intruder alert" on our campus on the day of Columbine. It was simply a coincidence, but it certainly did not go unnoticed by our students.

Today students are much more realistic, much more cynical than we ever were as teenagers.....and it shows. There is a big difference, does the media have alot to do with it, sure.....but they are actually smarter than we ever thought of being.

[DACrowe]

Again, your own refusal to acknowledge the reality of the situation is the same problem that is hurting liberals today. They are so convinced that the entire opposition to this bill is fake, race driven, fueled by lobbyist money - and they hear other like minded people say similar things so often they actually believe it. All the while people to the right of that (aka most of America) falls further away from them.


You go ahead and protest all you want the astroturf claims. I would partially agree with you (while those pushing for this angry resistance may be Washington insiders or lobbyists, those angry, confused poor people showing up to threaten and intimidate Congressman, Senators and the President surely are not), but to pretend it is not at least partially (or mostly) race driven is to also "refuse to acknowledge the reality of the situation." When you defend people or defend people who defend people who call Obama Hitler, pretend Obama wasn't born in this country and carry guns to these meetings while claiming there are death panels (as opposed to y'know...the death penalties in real insurance companies), you are doing just so.

Go ahead, I will have fun watching Obama, who should have been a shoe in for 2 terms, be defeated in 2012 and watch the Democratic Party lose their power before it started. :lmao:

:whatever: You sound as anxious and trigger happy to declare victory as James Carville...or Karl Rove four years ago. Everyone is so ready to jump it seems.

[The Overlord]

It's not that I couldn't - it's that there is no need to. You have your opinion and you have no interest in acknowledging any point made.

Considering you seem to think shouting people down is a legit tactic, I can say the same about you. Physician heal thyself.

Let ask you this, if Iraq war protesters shouted people down and brought guns to meetings on the war, would you approve of that?


He's a commentator. A man with an opinion. Why do people seriously? Who knows - but that's up to the individual to decide. Apparently what he is selling is good enough for 2.5+ million people a day.

But I don't care about any of that, I care about the power he wields and whether he is saying anything of value.

There are many things that popular and are crap, is whether something is popular or not means very little to me.



I have never said Beck should be treated seriously - I have simply said he isn't dangerous. I also have no reason to tell Fox News how to run a news channel, it's their job to get as much ratings as possible - and they have.

The fact the news media in the US news media is more concerned with being entertaining rather then providing valid public discussion, is why the US news media is a joke compared to the rest of the Western World.


It's all in the intent of the description. It's impossible to compare the acts of Hitler to Caesar - just like no one is really comparing healthcare to the holocaust. What they are doing is trying to paint a politician with a feared historical figure. To an infant republic, Caesar was just as scary to the people as Hitler is to a people, most of which were born long after Hitler died.

Well here's a thought then compare Obama to Caesar and not Hitler, I wouldn't have a problem with that.

Everyone knows that Hitler is hated because he committed genocide, not because of his economic or Health Care policies. Sweden has socialized Health Care, is Sweden run by Nazis? That's why we have Godwin's law, anyone who compares someone to Hitler is providing innuendo to say that person's policies will lead a Nazi state.

[Marlboro Man]

Go ahead, I will have fun watching Obama, who should have been a shoe in for 2 terms, be defeated in 2012 and watch the Democratic Party lose their power before it started. :lmao:

I'll have more fun watching the Republicans nominate a total twit like Sarah Palin or Newt Gingrich and self-destructing in 2012 because they'll still be unable to get their act together.

[Addendum]

I'll have more fun watching the Republicans nominate a total twit like Sarah Palin or Newt Gingrich and self-destructing in 2012 because they'll still be unable to get their act together.

I don't think those two will be the GOP's "great white hope" :grin:

[Superman]

I don't think those two will be the GOP's "great white hope" :grin:You saw that to?

Can you believe that crap? You've got Republican's going around saying crap like that and then turn around and say it wasn't racial.:whatever:

And I love the Non-apologe/apology she gave.:whatever:

[StorminNorman]

You go ahead and protest all you want the astroturf claims. I would partially agree with you (while those pushing for this angry resistance may be Washington insiders or lobbyists, those angry, confused poor people showing up to threaten and intimidate Congressman, Senators and the President surely are not), but to pretend it is not at least partially (or mostly) race driven is to also "refuse to acknowledge the reality of the situation." When you defend people or defend people who defend people who call Obama Hitler, pretend Obama wasn't born in this country and carry guns to these meetings while claiming there are death panels (as opposed to y'know...the death penalties in real insurance companies), you are doing just so.

I am not defending people who are calling Obama Hitler - I have said that making such comparisons renders your opinions useless. What I have said, however, is that trying to say that calling Obama Hilter is racist is absurd. What I have said is that saying that the right wing has gone overboard for calling Obama Hitler is absurd considering it was used daily against Bush. What I am saying is that to make a big deal about people calling Obama Hitler when no one cared when such comparisons made against Bush is absurd.

Is a part of the opposition to Obama race driven? Sure. Was a part of the opposition to Bush religion driven? Yes. Was a part of the opposition to Bush race driven? I will go ahead and say that some black opponents of Bush were bias against him because he was white. There are nuts of both sides that are bigoted and will use such intolerable positions to come to their own conclusions - to act, however, that such stupidity is limited to one side or another is in and of itself insane.

:whatever: You sound as anxious and trigger happy to declare victory as James Carville...or Karl Rove four years ago. Everyone is so ready to jump it seems.

I am simply reading the trends. James Carville was right, the Republican Party was dead. The Democratic Party has brought it back to light. Karl Rove was right, the Democratic Party was dead - the GOP brought it back to light. Is it possible that the Republicans can shoot themselves in the foot and ruin the political environment Obama and Co. have given to them? Absolutely.

Considering you seem to think shouting people down is a legit tactic, I can say the same about you. Physician heal thyself.

The results have proven it is a legit tactic for protest. It's hard to ignore that.

Let ask you this, if Iraq war protesters shouted people down and brought guns to meetings on the war, would you approve of that?

Would I approve of it as a valid protest tactic? Absolutely - because the point of a protest is to forward a point of view.

But I don't care about any of that, I care about the power he wields and whether he is saying anything of value.

There are many things that popular and are crap, is whether something is popular or not means very little to me.

Any power Glenn Beck is given is given to him by people that agree with him. So silencing Glenn Beck would do nothing. Complaining about Glenn Beck is ridiculous - what should be doing is proving Glenn Beck wrong.

The fact the news media in the US news media is more concerned with being entertaining rather then providing valid public discussion, is why the US news media is a joke compared to the rest of the Western World.

:whatever::whatever::whatever:

Well here's a thought then compare Obama to Caesar and not Hitler, I wouldn't have a problem with that.

You shouldn't have a problem with either. Again, I had no problem when people compared Bush to Hitler - because it's an obviously ridiculous comparison. Grow some thicker skin.

Everyone knows that Hitler is hated because he committed genocide, not because of his economic or Health Care policies. Sweden has socialized Health Care, is Sweden run by Nazis? That's why we have Godwin's law, anyone who makes a comparison to Hitler is providing innuendo to say their policies will lead a Nazi state.

You are trying to find logic in a comparison made explicitly for hyperbole. :lmao: It's actually quite adorable.

I'll have more fun watching the Republicans nominate a total twit like Sarah Palin or Newt Gingrich and self-destructing in 2012 because they'll still be unable to get their act together.

If the Republican Party does something like that, I will lose all faith I have in them. It would be an act of great political deftness.

I fully expect Mitt Romney to ride into the 2012 on a white horse. He will be able to use the fact he is seen as the Economic Candidate to great effect, the fact he was able to actually pass through Healthcare Legislation by working with both parties should be a gigantic feather in his hat (even if the system it created is less-than-perfect.)

[Marlboro Man]

I don't know. I thought Romney would have been the nominee last time.

In fact, he's really the only Republican last time around I would have considered voting for.

I just have to wonder which faction will prevail in three years.

[Kurosawa]

You saw that to?

Can you believe that crap? You've got Republican's going around saying crap like that and then turn around and say it wasn't racial.:whatever:

And I love the Non-apologe/apology she gave.:whatever:

They aren't even pretending anymore.

[Superman]

The results have proven it is a legit tactic for protest. It's hard to ignore that.

Would you mind telling me what results you are talking about? Nothing has changed since they went on vacation. Not one vote has been cast. Even the so called "Death Panel" part of the bill is still in the bill despite the lie Republican's has been passing around that it was taken out. No one has taken it out because no one is in DC to take it out.

We are in the same position today that we was in two weeks ago before the protests. So what results you are talking about?

[The Overlord]

The results have proven it is a legit tactic for protest. It's hard to ignore that.


Then don't accuse me of being close minded if you approve of people shouting other people down. Its a contradiction on your part.


Would I approve of it as a valid protest tactic? Absolutely - because the point of a protest is to forward a point of view.

Now see I perfer that people act like adults and be civil when trying to get their points across, but you seem to think people should act like spoiled children who care more about getting their way then acting like adults.



Any power Glenn Beck is given is given to him by people that agree with him. So silencing Glenn Beck would do nothing. Complaining about Glenn Beck is ridiculous - what should be doing is proving Glenn Beck wrong.

When did I say we should silence him? I never said that. I said I would prefer his show be on another channel, because I think presenting entertainment as public discourse is dishonest.

I like Jon Stewart, but I wouldn't want his show to be on CNN, sure he makes some serious points some tiems in his interviews, but for the most part its just goofy fun and its not on a news channel.

Plus Jon Stewart doesn't beg people to take him seriously like Beck does, Jon knows he is a comedian and acts the part, Beck tries to have it both ways, that's why I don't like him.




:whatever::whatever::whatever:.

Its true, Canada has way fewer idiot pundits then the US does, people who just pull things of their butt and have no crediblity, but claim be serious and yet try to get away with not checking their facts by saying they are entertainers. Most of the pundits in the US just say shocking and stupid things to get ratings and I don't think that's news and I don't think a good news channel would have such people.



You shouldn't have a problem with either. Again, I had no problem when people compared Bush to Hitler - because it's an obviously ridiculous comparison. Grow some thicker skin. :.

Tell that to a Holocaust survivor and see if they think that's cute or funny. Part of not being a psychopath is having consideration for other people's feelings and treating others the way you want to be treated.



You are trying to find logic in a comparison made explicitly for hyperbole. :lmao: It's actually quite adorable. :.

So you are admitting these comparison are idiotic and done merely for shock value?

[StorminNorman]

I don't know. I thought Romney would have been the nominee last time.

In fact, he's really the only Republican last time around I would have considered voting for.

I just have to wonder which faction will prevail in three years.

Last election wasn't a good time for Romney. The change in positions from his previous senate race killed him, as did the fact people didn't give a **** about the economy during the primary. Now that Romney has an entire nation wide election to point to his consistency with, and the fact people care about the economy and healthcare - he has the greatest advantage right now. Plus - $$$.

Would you mind telling me what results you are talking about? Nothing has changed since they went on vacation. Not one vote has been cast. Even the so called "Death Panel" part of the bill is still in the bill despite the lie Republican's has been passing around that it was taken out. No one has taken it out because no one is in DC to take it out.

We are in the same position today that we was in two weeks ago before the protests. So what results you are talking about?

The support for the Healthcare bill has plummeted. Moderate Democrats are running from this bill and other Obama programs. And I would agree, that we are (more or less) in the same position we where in two weeks ago - but two weeks ago was long after the town hall protests started and had changed the issue.

Then don't accuse me of being close minded if you approve of people shouting other people down. Its a contradiction on your part.

*sigh* I am not supporting people shouting at other people for it's intelligence - only applauding it's effectiveness in the political system. In a debate, shouting at people is the worst thing you can do. If you want to influence the political system, shouting at your congressman seems to work. Acknowledging that is not a contradiction.

Now see I perfer that people act like adults and be civil when trying to get their points across, but you seem to think people should act like spoiled children who care more about getting their way then acting like adults.

:word:

When did I say we should silence him? I never said that. I said I would prefer his show be on another channel, because I think presenting entertainment as public discourse is dishonest.

I like Jon Stewart, but I wouldn't want his show to be on CNN, sure he makes some serious points some tiems in his interviews, but for the most part its just goofy fun and its not on a news channel.

Plus Jon Stewart doesn't beg people to take him seriously like Beck does, Jon knows he is a comedian and acts the part, Beck tries to have it both ways, that's why I don't like him.

When does Beck try to beg people to take him seriously? He openly mocks himself, calls himself a sick freak and claims to be a radio clown.

Tell that to a Holocaust survivor and see if they think that's cute or funny. Part of not being a psychopath is having consideration for other people's feelings and treating others the way you want to be treated.

Honestly, I don't really care.

So you are admitting these comparison are idiotic and done merely for shock value?

Of course. But I can acknowledge the advantage of such tactics. An intelligent unheard message means nothing.

[DACrowe]

You didn't know about the Bush is Hitler thing? REALLY? REALLY?!

Again, though, it's not a "it's okay because the other guys did it" as much as "it's neither dangerous or racist as evidence by the fact this sort of rhetoric is as old as American politics itself".

I mean Jefferson and Hamilton both called each other Caesar all the time. People would hang the king of England in effigy. People would use hyperbolic terms (like calling Obama a communist) from the founding of the Constitution.

For people to be outraged at such rhetoric today just because it is being thrown at a black Democratic President is ridiculous.

Funny a lot off people compared Lincoln to Caesar too. In fact when John Wilkes Booth SHOT PRESIDENT LINCOLN IN THE BACK OF THE HEAD, he jumped off the balcony to the stage of the theatre and cried out to the audience, "Sic semper tyrannis!" Supposedly what Brutus said after killing Caesar He thought the South and the rights of individuals had been avenged by this big Federal government loving, slave freeing, tyrant.


But you're right Obama wasn't the first president called Hitler, or a socialist, communist, despot, tyrant, etc. Those were the same claims that became very heated and aimed at President John F. Kennedy in 1962 and 1963, right before he too was assassinated.


You are correct there were left wing loonies out there during the Bush years calling Bush Hitler and drawing a moustache on him. But they were not being baited to do so by Al Franken on the radio and Chris Matthews on TV. They weren't being told that Bush was a racist and an evil man by Keith Olbermann who hates their culture and wants to destroy them. They weren't threatening Republican Congressmen and sending in death threats or attempting to silence the opposition by a stonewall mob mentality. And MSNBC, PBS, NY Times, and whoever else you want to blame as liberal propagandists weren't defending the rhetoric or fueling it.

I don't get it Norm you and the entirety of the right, especially Fox News, in such anger over losing an election and disdain for Obama's policies are throwing your lot in with extremists who proudly call themselves terrorists. You're defending people who carry guns to a presidential event (a first since Reagan was shot at) and openly sympathize with Waco and Timothy McVeigh.

You say the left has lost sight of what Americans want, yet your party and its leaders in both politics and media are siding with crazies who call the president a racist, just because they agree with you on policy. Who is losing sight of the founders' America, now? Really.

[StorminNorman]

Funny a lot off people compared Lincoln to Caesar too. In fact when John Wilkes Booth SHOT PRESIDENT LINCOLN IN THE BACK OF THE HEAD, he jumped off the balcony to the stage of the theatre and cried out to the audience, "Sic semper tyrannis!" Supposedly what Brutus said after killing Caesar He thought the South and the rights of individuals had been avenged by this big Federal government loving, slave freeing, tyrant.


But you're right Obama wasn't the first president called Hitler, or a socialist, communist, despot, tyrant, etc. Those were the same claims that became very heated and aimed at President John F. Kennedy in 1962 and 1963, right before he too was assassinated.[quote]

I LOL'd. Kennedy was killed by a socialist - not the people that called him a socialist, a communist, etc.

[quote]You are correct there were left wing loonies out there during the Bush years calling Bush Hitler and drawing a moustache on him. But they were not being baited to do so by Al Franken on the radio and Chris Matthews on TV. They weren't being told that Bush was a racist and an evil man by Keith Olbermann who hates their culture and wants to destroy them. They weren't threatening Republican Congressmen and sending in death threats or attempting to silence the opposition by a stonewall mob mentality. And MSNBC, PBS, NY Times, and whoever else you want to blame as liberal propagandists weren't defending the rhetoric or fueling it.

Yes he was. :huh: Olbermann called him a fascist.

I don't get it Norm you and the entirety of the right, especially Fox News, in such anger over losing an election and disdain for Obama's policies are throwing your lot in with extremists who proudly call themselves terrorists. You're defending people who carry guns to a presidential event (a first since Reagan was shot at) and openly sympathize with Waco and Timothy McVeigh.

You say the left has lost sight of what Americans want, yet your party and its leaders in both politics and media are siding with crazies who call the president a racist, just because they agree with you on policy. Who is losing sight of the founders' America, now? Really.

LOL, yes - I am so angry over losing the election. That's why I supported Obama over John McCain. :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

[DACrowe]

I LOL'd. Kennedy was killed by a socialist - not the people that called him a socialist, a communist, etc.[quote]

hhahahahhahahahhahahahahahahaha.

<gasps for breath>

hehe--presidential assassinations. Crazies murdering a president they disagree with.-hehe-Political discourse through gunpoint and intimidating terrorist tacitcs. Killing someone you disagree with.--HAHAHHAHHA-you're sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo right that is some funny ****. One day the president is here, poof, dead the next. Great joke. hehehehehehehehehehe.

<wipes tears of joy from eyes>



[quote]Yes he was. :huh: Olbermann called him a fascist.

Did he call him a racist and compare him to Stalin, Hitler and Mussilini on a weekly basis? I can show you Hannity and Beck doing it nearly every night. Find me the one where Olbermann juxtaposes a Bush rally to scenes from Triumph of the Will, please.


LOL, yes - I am so angry over losing the election. That's why I supported Obama over John McCain. :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

Fox News sure is. And yet you like to defend their golden boy who pushes extremist conspiracies, lies and threats. And as I said, most of your posts in this thread have been defending Beck's right to tell people Obama wants to take their guns and the people who show up to town halls strapped with assault rifles and spout the same rhetoric Booth and McVeigh did. Niiiice.

[Hobodeluxe]

The support for the Healthcare bill has plummeted.


http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/1257/publicoptionmemo1.jpg
attribution (http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/house-leaderships-polling-memo-on-public-option/)

[The Overlord]

*sigh* I am not supporting people shouting at other people for it's intelligence - only applauding it's effectiveness in the political system. In a debate, shouting at people is the worst thing you can do. If you want to influence the political system, shouting at your congressman seems to work. Acknowledging that is not a contradiction. .

Well I think acting like a civil adult is more important then winning, but that's just me. Throwing a tantrum to get your way is what a kid does, not a adult. Why I should take anyone who acts like that seriously? Are you seriously saying people should like spoiled children to get their way?

God I hope if you kids you wouldn't raise them with that attitude, otherwise they will be horrible little mosnters.




When does Beck try to beg people to take him seriously? He openly mocks himself, calls himself a sick freak and claims to be a radio clown. .

Yet he talks with utmost regency about his message, begging people to watch his show about Obama being a would be tyrant, if he was just entertainer he wouldn't be begging people to watch these specials, saying they are that important. He's at least spending mixed messages here, seems dishonest to me.

Jon stewart never begged his audience to watch his show or cried like a baby.



Honestly, I don't really care. .

Yes, because being civil and even nice is a such a bad thing, people should act like childish psychopaths instead. :whatever:

If you are trying to piss people off, you are just being a jerk and being a jerk is considered a bad thing, not a good thing.



Of course. But I can acknowledge the advantage of such tactics. An intelligent unheard message means nothing.


Getting attention for yourself and looking like an idiot is not good either, these wackos can tar the whole movement and make it easier to dismiss it.

[Hobodeluxe]

Glenn Beck sees scary black people. (http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/obamas-army-glenn-beck-sees-scary-bl)

[Hobgoblin]

Glenn Beck sees scary black people. (http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/obamas-army-glenn-beck-sees-scary-bl)

One minute he says that Obama is raising an army, the next he says the President has nothing to do with the Black Panthers and is being sabotaged by someone else in the Administration. He cant even agree with himself for the span of a 5 minute clip. And he is using Louis Crazykhan as a reliable source. Louis may consider Obama a "Messiah" but I doubt the President would want that honor granted on him from such a man.

[StorminNorman]

Well I think acting like a civil adult is more important then winning, but that's just me. Throwing a tantrum to get your way is what a kid does, not a adult. Why I should take anyone who acts like that seriously? Are you seriously saying people should like spoiled children to get their way?

In politics - winning is what matters. You don't have to take them seriously for them to succeed - because the American people (as a whole) are. Again, since these town hall protests the American support for health care reform has dropped, support for Obama has reached all time lows and the Democratic Party is in retreat mode.

Yet he talks with utmost regency about his message, begging people to watch his show about Obama being a would be tyrant, if he was just entertainer he wouldn't be begging people to watch these specials, saying they are that important. He's at least spending mixed messages here, seems dishonest to me.It's because he does respect his own opinion. That doesn't mean he says he is a "journalist" - he is a commentator and thrives at that profession.

Jon stewart never begged his audience to watch his show or cried like a baby. :whatever:

Yes, because being civil and even nice is a such a bad thing, people should act like childish psychopaths instead. :whatever:

If you are trying to piss people off, you are just being a jerk and being a jerk is considered a bad thing, not a good thing.I follow the results.

Getting attention for yourself and looking like an idiot is not good either, these wackos can tar the whole movement and make it easier to dismiss it.Except they haven't. The only people who have dismissed the movement are liberals. To their own demise.

[Hobodeluxe]

One minute he says that Obama is raising an army, the next he says the President has nothing to do with the Black Panthers and is being sabotaged by someone else in the Administration. He cant even agree with himself for the span of a 5 minute clip. And he is using Louis Crazykhan as a reliable source. Louis may consider Obama a "Messiah" but I doubt the President would want that honor granted on him from such a man.

Did you see how intimidating those black guys were?
If only they'd had a pastor who prayed every night that Obama would die and go to hell and an assault rifle on their person then he wouldn't be afraid of them. They would be non intimidating American Patriots then.

[Hobodeluxe]

too bad being ethically bankrupt and willfully dishonest isn't helping Republicans out (http://www.pollingreport.com/cong_rep.htm).
that must mean that a lot of the fallen support of Obama is liberals losing faith in his
ability to push this through. The public option itself is still popular.

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/1257/publicoptionmemo1.jpg
Watch out for backlash if you kill the bill. Especially when more people get laid off and lose their jobs. and when the planned cutbacks in health insurance given by employers take place. eventually they won't be able to afford it either.
It's a long time before the next elections.
If the Dow gets above 10k soon the psychological effects will be great for Obama.
People need to be reminded of where we were in Jan.

[Paradyme]

Did you see how intimidating those black guys were?
If only they'd had a pastor who prayed every night that Obama would die and go to hell and an assault rifle on their person then he wouldn't be afraid of them. They would be non intimidating American Patriots then.

You're comparing an actual threat to a prayer?
:huh:

[Kurosawa]

In politics - winning is what matters. You don't have to take them seriously for them to succeed - because the American people (as a whole) are. Again, since these town hall protests the American support for health care reform has dropped, support for Obama has reached all time lows and the Democratic Party is in retreat mode.

It's because he does respect his own opinion. That doesn't mean he says he is a "journalist" - he is a commentator and thrives at that profession.

:whatever:

I follow the results.

Except they haven't. The only people who have dismissed the movement are liberals. To their own demise.

And the results are?
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/1257/publicoptionmemo1.jpg
attribution (http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/house-leaderships-polling-memo-on-public-option/)

If you tell a lie often enough it becomes the truth I suppose.

[Kurosawa]

too bad being ethically bankrupt and willfully dishonest isn't helping Republicans out (http://www.pollingreport.com/cong_rep.htm).
that must mean that a lot of the fallen support of Obama is liberals losing faith in his
ability to push this through. The public option itself is still popular.

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/1257/publicoptionmemo1.jpg
Watch out for backlash if you kill the bill. Especially when more people get laid off and lose their jobs. and when the planned cutbacks in health insurance given by employers take place. eventually they won't be able to afford it either.
It's a long time before the next elections.
If the Dow gets above 10k soon the psychological effects will be great for Obama.
People need to be reminded of where we were in Jan.

They have to do something, even if it isn't a public option. They have to so something and it has to be substantial.

What the health care rally radicals and their enablers do is they cut down the quality of discourse and hurt the chance of compromise. For many of them, the goal isn't to stop a socialist public option, it's to destroy Obama through any means possible. And to the craziest of them, the goal is to kill Obama and his family. Anyone defending those crazies is mentally unbalanced themselves and morally bankrupt.

[Hobodeluxe]

You're comparing an actual threat to a prayer?
:huh:

by Beck's logic the guys with sticks were intimidating.

and yet they were defending the guys who carry the guns to intimidate.
these were "proud and concerned Americans who were exercising their 1st and 2nd amendment rights" in their own words.

Now some might argue the guy with the guns intent.
but when you look at his church and his pastor with his direct plea for Obama to "die and go to hell" I think you can determine the mindset of this individual and those who attend that church.


he's the kind of nutjob that might take a pop at Obama if he had a clear shot and think that he was doing God's will or some crazy crap.

I wonder how Fox might react if a bunch of Black Muslims with guns started appearing at their townhalls?

Would they be proud and concerned American patriots exercising their 1st and 2nd amendment rights or do you think they'd demonize them and tie them to Obama?

[Paradyme]

I guess I see a threat as a threat. The weapon makes no difference to me.

I noticed you said
when you look at his church and his pastor with his direct plea for Obama to "die and go to hell" I think you can determine the mindset of this individual and those who attend that church."


Couldn't you say the same about the people that attended Jeremiah Wright's Church?

[Nivek]

Glenn Beck hasn't aired a show naked wearing nothing but Aluminum Foil yet, has he?

If he has not, give him time. He already comes off as Bi-polar and a bit Schizo...

[Kurosawa]

I guess I see a threat as a threat. The weapon makes no difference to me.

I noticed you said


Couldn't you say the same about the people that attended Jeremiah Wright's Church?

Were they calling for people to be killed? I know they were saying some insanely ignorant junk, but were they making/supporting death threats on anyone?

[Nivek]

No one at Wrights church called for anyone's death as far as I know. Some people are just grasping at straws so they don't seem that crazy.

[Paradyme]

Were they calling for people to be killed? I know they were saying some insanely ignorant junk, but were they making/supporting death threats on anyone?

Are you asking about Wright or the other dude Hobo was talking about?

and Nivek, are you talking about me?

[Kurosawa]

Are you asking about Wright or the other dude Hobo was talking about?

and Nivek, are you talking about me?

I was asking about Wright's church. I know there have been death threats against Obama and his family at some of the "health care" rallies.

[DACrowe]

In politics winning is everything.

I thought governing and running the country for the good of the people is everything? Talk about a cynical Machiavellian answer. I know that Karl Rove logic is popular but it also explains the gridlock partisanship of the last 30 years. Either side when in minority cares nothing of governing, but only regaining power. "Winning is everything" is the type of asinine logic that leads one to lump themselves in with nutjobs and racists who talk like members of the Lincoln assassination conspiracy.

Scary what some will do to win.

If have to lie, steal, cheat or kill. As God is my witness, I'll never be hungry again.

I suppose that is the gist of politics now.

[DACrowe]

double

[StorminNorman]

I thought governing and running the country for the good of the people is everything? Talk about a cynical Machiavellian answer. I know that Karl Rove logic is popular but it also explains the gridlock partisanship of the last 30 years. Either side when in minority cares nothing of governing, but only regaining power. "Winning is everything" is the type of asinine logic that leads one to lump themselves in with nutjobs and racists who talk like members of the Lincoln assassination conspiracy.

Scary what some will do to win.

I suppose that is the gist of politics now.

Politics is the act of selling a politics idea. Governing is the act of running the country. You have to be good at the first to have a chance to be good at the second.

[Tigerking]

When Beck made his comment that Obama is racist towards whites did he realize that Obama was raised by whites for most of his life

[Prison Mike]

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Awkward...

[The Overlord]

In politics - winning is what matters. You don't have to take them seriously for them to succeed - because the American people (as a whole) are. Again, since these town hall protests the American support for health care reform has dropped, support for Obama has reached all time lows and the Democratic Party is in retreat mode.

So we should teach kids that winning is the only thing that matters and being civil and a good sport is not important at all?:whatever:




It's because he does respect his own opinion. That doesn't mean he says he is a "journalist" - he is a commentator and thrives at that profession.

Seems like he has a Messiah complex to me, he seems more like a demagogue then a entertainer.




I follow the results.

Tell me what's the weather like in Bizarro World, where being nice is a vice and being mean is a virtue?

That's that kind of attitude that makes young people cynical about politics.


Except they haven't. The only people who have dismissed the movement are liberals. To their own demise.

Yes and it has nothing to do with the out and out lies that are told about the Bill, like the death Panels remarks. :whatever:

But hey, I guess telling lies is okay too, anything is ok as long as you win, so you can lie, act like a child or a psychopath and be a total jerk, even though that's the opposite of how we are taught to act.

I guess children should cheat on tests, because winning is more then following the rules or being honest.

What example do you think that sets kids, when people are saying winning is more important then anything else?

Here's the real irony, people like Beck claim to be moral Christians, but they disregard things like the golden rule whenever its convenient for them. He's a total moral hypocrite.

[Kurosawa]

So we should teach kids that winning is the only thing that matters and being civil and a good sport is not important at all?:whatever:





Seems like he has a Messiah complex to me, he seems more like demagogue then a entertainer.





Tell me what's the weather like in Bizarro World, where being nice is a vice and being mean is a virtue?

That's that kind of attitude that makes young people cynical about politics.



Yes and it has nothing to do with the out and out lies that are told about the Bill, like the death Panels remarks. :whatever:

But hey, I guess telling lies is okay too, anything is ok as long as you win, so you can lie, act like child or a psychopath and be a total jerk, even though that's the opposite of how we are taught to act.

I guess children should cheat on tests, because winning is more then following the rules or being honest.

What example do you think that sets kids, people are saying winning is more important then anything else.

Here's the real irony, people like Beck claim to be moral Christians, but they disregard things like the golden rule whenever its convenient for them. He's a total moral hypocrite.

It really is all very disgusting from a moral point of view, but politically it works and it pleases the insurance companies, medical lobbyists and all the other groups that they have whored themselves out to. They could care less about what would or wouldn't help people; it's all about winning and losing. This is from both sides but as biased as the left is, until I see armed members of their camp at events intimidating people of the opposite party and I hear the Democrats excusing death threats on Republicans, I have to say they have the high ground.

[The Englishman]

This guy Glen Beck is a bit of a dick is'nt he?...

[cyborg ninja 14]

Are we seriously not allowed to state our opinions on Beck based on his religion? Or anything regarding religion in this forum? I posted that he was a mormon:down that appears to have been deleted. It implied one reason why I don't care for the guy.

And we can't say this, really?

[Kelly]

It really didn't add much to the discussion.....I guess the implication that was seen was a disrespect to people's religion, rather than a legit aim at trying to be a part of the discussion.

[cyborg ninja 14]

Despite the fact that I wasn't going to disrespect a religion of a fellow hypester, I understand. I still think that I should be allowed to express my opinion in that area regarding a political dicussion.

[Kelly]

Despite the fact that I wasn't going to disrespect a religion of a fellow hypester, I understand. I still think that I should be allowed to express my opinion in that area regarding a political dicussion.


So despite his radio show, his Fox daily show, his politics, his conservatism, his leading in the Tea Party movement, his ability to bring about a large amount of disagreement among followers of politics, the one thing that you choose to bring out is that he is Mormon? Really? That's it?
"He's Mormon, :down"

?????

[cyborg ninja 14]

I believe that accounts for some of his insanity, yes. Listen, I know all about his controversy and his politics. I don't have a great interest in having a deep discussion or argument with another poster about him.

[Kelly]

Well, that is kinda what we do around here.....its kind of a mainstay.

[danielisthor]

I believe that accounts for some of his insanity, yes. Listen, I know all about his controversy and his politics. I don't have a great interest in having a deep discussion or argument with another poster about him.

Why then post in the Glen Beck Thread?

I don't care much for Superman, so i don't post in the Superman thread.

See a correlation.