Discussion: FOX News

[Addendum]

So despite his radio show, his Fox daily show, his politics, his conservatism, his leading in the Tea Party movement, his ability to bring about a large amount of disagreement among followers of politics, the one thing that you choose to bring out is that he is Mormon? Really? That's it?
"He's Mormon, :down"

?????

Well, mormons do have "magic underwear"

[Kelly]

Well, now I have heard that.....lol

[Kelly]

Why then post in the Glen Beck Thread?

I don't care much for Superman, so i don't post in the Superman thread.

See a correlation.


Well, if you haven't figured it out yet.....this isn't exactly a "I Love Glenn Beck" thread......:hehe:

[Paradoxium]

It would seem like Glenn Beck is more important than a goof like Bernanke based on post count and attention.

Worst case scenario, Beck is an insane clown with a show.

Worst case scenario, Bernake is he cluster****s the global economy.

[Majic Walrus]

It would seem like Glenn Beck is more important than a goof like Bernanke based on post count and attention.

Worst case scenario, Beck is an insane clown with a show.

Worst case scenario, Bernake is he cluster****s the global economy.

Worst case Beck is The Joker?

Worst case Bernake is Lex Luthor?


Did I read that right?

[Kelly]

It would seem like Glenn Beck is more important than a goof like Bernanke based on post count and attention.

Worst case scenario, Beck is an insane clown with a show.

Worst case scenario, Bernake is he cluster****s the global economy.


Oh yes, Beck has quite the following here....lol

[Hobodeluxe]

Beck is a seditionist bordering dangerously close to treason. You can criticize a govt. You're not supposed to be able to organize a group to undermine it. And yet Murdoch and his puppet seem to be doing just that. His ideas of a huge conspiracy by Obama leading this cabal to destroy the capitalist system and install a socialist system in it's place and have his army of ACORN thugs round everyone up who dissents is the very definition of treason. They're trying to get Obama killed. Stirring up the whackos out there. It's dangerous.

[Kelly]

Beck is loud and crazy yes.....but I disagree on treason....that's just silly.

[The Overlord]

It would seem like Glenn Beck is more important than a goof like Bernanke based on post count and attention.

Worst case scenario, Beck is an insane clown with a show.

Worst case scenario, Bernake is he cluster****s the global economy.

Except Beck could be whipping up emotions frenzied pitch and is trying to create unthinking mobs who run purely on emotion, rather then rationality.

Its all fun and games.... until someone gets hurt. I bet no one would think it was funny if some unstable individual took Beck too seriously and tried to blow Obama's brains out.

Stuff like this has happened before: http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2008/Jul/28/church-shooting-police-find-manifesto-suspects-car/

[Handsome Rob]

Beck is a seditionist bordering dangerously close to treason. You can criticize a govt. You're not supposed to be able to organize a group to undermine it. And yet Murdoch and his puppet seem to be doing just that. His ideas of a huge conspiracy by Obama leading this cabal to destroy the capitalist system and install a socialist system in it's place and have his army of ACORN thugs round everyone up who dissents is the very definition of treason. They're trying to get Obama killed. Stirring up the whackos out there. It's dangerous.

Ideas =/= treason. Let's look at the legal definition of treason, according to the Constitution:
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.I'm sorry, but offering conspiracy theories is NOT treason, whether it's Beck talking about Obama's cabal or liberals claiming that Bush would use 9/11 or a future attack to install martial law and create a police state.

Just because you don't agree with the political philosophy of someone doesn't mean that their ideas magically turn into treason . . .

[Hobodeluxe]

Beck is loud and crazy yes.....but I disagree on treason....that's just silly.

You think it's silly to think that there's not any other whacko anti govt/liberal conspirators out there with guns who might be pushed over the edge by job loss or some other factors who would love to do their duty to God and country by killing Obama or any other liberal for that matter?

How many more people have to die before you people acknowledge there's a link between the rhetoric and the acts of the demented?

Check out the link in my sig called "The Abyss" That was written by a big right wing tv and radio fan. He believed that stuff they were feeding him.

[Paradoxium]

Except Beck could be whipping up emotions frenzied pitch and is trying to create unthinking mobs who run purely on emotion, rather then rationality.

Its all fun and games.... until someone gets hurt. I bet no one would think it was funny if some unstable individual took Beck too seriously and tried to blow Obama's brains out.

Stuff like this has happened before: http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2008/Jul/28/church-shooting-police-find-manifesto-suspects-car/-nm- read the link completely

An economic meltdown/collapse and default of the country is a completely different ballpark. In this case, your chief concern is minimize death and destruction.

[Kelly]

Wow...ok hobo, whatever floats your boat.

[Kurosawa]

Except Beck could be whipping up emotions frenzied pitch and is trying to create unthinking mobs who run purely on emotion, rather then rationality.

Its all fun and games.... until someone gets hurt. I bet no one would think it was funny if some unstable individual took Beck too seriously and tried to blow Obama's brains out.

Stuff like this has happened before: http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2008/Jul/28/church-shooting-police-find-manifesto-suspects-car/

It's just a matter of time IMO. They are definitely working towards an assignation attempt.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Like when that guy took a camouflage bible, homemade bomb launcher, two foot sword, a stack of poems, some firearms and a skull mask to the Bohemian Grove with the explicit purpose to actually kill world leaders because he saw in an Alex Jones video that they might be killing infants in sacrifice. Some people out there might take it a little too seriously, and go overboard.

[Kelly]

And then he also says this....

7dyiMuhvw_A

and says it quite often.....yet it is never talked about.



Just putting up the other side....

[Paradoxium]

Lunatics don't need Beck. They can find justification with this little tool called the internet.

[Hobodeluxe]

And then he also says this....

7dyiMuhvw_A

and says it quite often.....yet it is never talked about.



Just putting up the other side....

of course he does. once every blue moon he does that so he can reference that one occassion and say "see I'm not the reason my fan killed someone" " I told them not to"
It's a cya move that only occurs when people like the liberals in Knoxville,Arkansas,NY or the Tiller Killer in Kansas occur. When everyone starts talking abput how they urge it on they point to it just like you did. Like it erases the months of rhetoric before that.

[Kelly]

Lunatics don't need Beck. They can find justification with this little tool called the internet.


That is for sure.....


But, people DO need a "scapegoat"....

[Paradoxium]

This reminds me of the violent video game arguments.

===> Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc

[Hobodeluxe]

okay for you naysayers. If you were a host of a show and say you did want one of your viewers to kill the president. (just for the sake of argument) and you knew there was a legal line you couldn't cross. you couldn't actually tell people to take up arms and hunt down Obama,not directly but you wanted to dance around the legal edges and push the message in an indirect way.
What would you do different than what Beck is doing today?

[Hobodeluxe]

This reminds me of the violent video game arguments.

===> Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc

you're ignoring history.

[Paradoxium]

And you're ignoring a logical fallacy and using ludicrously loaded questions.

[Kelly]

okay for you naysayers. If you were a host of a show and say you did want one of your viewers to kill the president. (just for the sake of argument) and you knew there was a legal line you couldn't cross. you couldn't actually tell people to take up arms and hunt down Obama,not directly but you wanted to dance around the legal edges and push the message in an indirect way.
What would you do different than what Beck is doing today?

That would mean I think that that is Beck's motive, and I certainly do not think that.....

So, your question is totally biased, one-sided, and ridiculously blinded by partisan hate...


Do I think Beck is over the top? sure....but is it treason? Good grief, that is so stupid, it doesn't deserve an answer....

[Paradoxium]

That would mean I think that that is Beck's motive, and I certainly do not think that.....

So, your question is totally biased, one-sided, and ridiculously blinded by partisan hate...


Do I think Beck is over the top? sure....but is it treason? Good grief, that is so stupid, it doesn't deserve an answer....You're mistaken Kel.

He is in the middle, and independent. :woot:

[Kelly]

You're mistaken Kel.

He is in the middle, and independent. :woot:


If that is the case, I will tear up my Independent Voter Card.....because that would make me a Communist.

[VampElvis]

Is this while Beck plan a part of the vast right-wing conspiracy?
Just thought I'd ask........

[The Overlord]

And then he also says this....

7dyiMuhvw_A

and says it quite often.....yet it is never talked about.



Just putting up the other side....

That just means he is sending mixed messages. When Beck says Obama is a racist, would be tyrant who may even be a Nazi who is going to round people up, what are people supposed to think? If you make out him to be the Anti Christ, more or less, its hard to tone down those emotions with few messages about non violence.

This reminds me of the violent video game arguments.

===> Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc

You mean the same arguments about rap and video games that conservative pundits like Beck make all the time?

Turn about is fair play and there is nothing wrong with using these people's own moral platitudes against them.

[Hobodeluxe]

If that is the case, I will tear up my Independent Voter Card.....because that would make me a Communist.


I'm as independent as you or Paradoxium are.

You're not fooling anyone.

[Paradoxium]

You mean the same arguments about rap and video games that conservative pundits like Beck make all the time?

Turn about is fair play and there is nothing wrong with using these people's own moral platitudes against them.Yes, those types of dumb arguments by social cons. It still does not justify it.

[voyzovrezon]

And then he also says this....

7dyiMuhvw_A



Let's hope his devout viewers were paying attention and took it to heart.

Bernard Goldberg didn't incite violence (I'm assuming because I haven't read it) in his book, yet Atkinson felt the need to cite it in his deranged murder/suicide note.

All it takes is one nut to only hear the inciteful rhetoric and act.

[The Overlord]

Yes, those types of dumb arguments by social cons. It still does not justify it.

Against social cons who make those arguments in the first place? Of course it does. I find it very satisfying throw their own logic in their faces.

You live by the sword, you die by the sword. "Judge not lest ye be judged". These people have judged others all the time, so they deserve to be judged by the standards they set up.

Its their own fault, they set themselves up, they gave themselves enough rope to hang themselves with. That's just karma.

[Paradyme]

I was asking about Wright's church. I know there have been death threats against Obama and his family at some of the "health care" rallies.

I don't know about death threats or what not I was just attempting to make a correlation between that church and I guess, the church you have been saying Beck attends(?). Mainly, my point was that it doesn't matter what the threat is in spoken word because to me a threat is a threat.

[StorminNorman]

I'm as independent as you or Paradoxium are.

You're not fooling anyone.

Say it again, this time with more conviction.

[Hobodeluxe]

Say it again, this time with more conviction.

yeah well believe what you want. that's what republicans do. actual truth matters not. just their "version" of it. you're more than content to lie,cheat ,steal or whatever to "win." the entire party is full of intellectually,morally and ethically bankrupt hypocrites.

you can't argue with the truth because your position is a losing one so you lie and then lie some more,using the ignorance and partisanship of the FOXtards to your advantage. then shout down any opposition with thug tactics. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_MvNF2GUE0&feature=player_embedded)


repbulicans wear their dishonesty,cognitive dissonance and anti-intellectualism like a badge of honor.

[StorminNorman]

Against social cons who make those arguments in the first place? Of course it does. I find it very satisfying throw their own logic in their faces.

You live by the sword, you die by the sword. "Judge not lest ye be judged". These people have judged others all the time, so they deserve to be judged by the standards they set up.

Its their own fault, they set themselves up, they gave themselves enough rope to hang themselves with. That's just karma.

And who here, in this forum, has made such arguments?

[Kelly]

I'm as independent as you or Paradoxium are.

You're not fooling anyone.



yeah.....ok.

ya see.....people here know that I'm a Fiscal Conservative/Social Liberal that is a registered Independent.....I've proven it throughout my posts since this forum opened.

Please show me your proof....

[Paradyme]

Phoenix Pastor Draws Protests After Telling Church He Prays for Obama's Death

A Phoenix-area pastor has started to draw protesters to his congregation after he delivered a sermon titled, "Why I Hate Barack Obama," and told his parishioners that he prays for President Obama's death.

Pastor Steven Anderson stood by his sermon in an interview with MyFOXPhoenix, which reports that the pastor continues to encourage his parishioners to join him in praying for the president's death.

"I hope that God strikes Barack Obama with brain cancer so he can die like Ted Kennedy and I hope it happens today," he told MyFOXPhoenix on Sunday. He called his message "spiritual warfare" and said he does not condone killing.

But a small crowd of protesters gathered around his church Sunday, calling Anderson's words "incomprehensible." And MyFOXPhoenix reported that the sermon, which has drawn widespread attention, led to death threats against the pastor.

Anderson's inflammatory message stems in part from Obama's abortion-rights stance.

In Anderson's controversial sermon, delivered at his Faithful Word Baptist Church in Tempe before Obama arrived for a speech in Phoenix earlier in the month, the pastor said he wants the president to "melt like a snail" with salt on it.

"I'm gonna pray that he dies and goes to hell when I go to bed tonight. That's what I'm gonna pray," he told his congregation.

The last time fierce opposition to Obama's abortion position drew widespread attention was when Obama delivered the commencement address at the University of Notre Dame.

The Anderson sermon also drew concern after it was reported that one man carrying an assault rifle outside the Phoenix arena where Obama spoke was a member of Anderson's church.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08/31/phoenix-pastor-draws-protests-telling-church-prays-obamas-death/?test=latestnews


This must be the pastor Kurosawa and Hobo were mentioning earlier in this thread.

Anyways, I consider any pastor that speaks like this to not represent his position or faith at all in God.

It's completely hypocritical in my mind and is counterintuitive to the overall message the Bible speaks on.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

you didn't know about the bush is hitler thing? Really? Really?!



really.

[Nivek]

I strongly agree that someone at FOX better step up to Beck and back down his specific thinly veiled hate rhetoric before someone takes a shot at Obama. There have been at least 2 violent armed confrontations with self described Glenn Beck viewers (the shooters here in Florida and Pittsburgh), and if someone does something stupid and it's lead back to something Beck said (again), FOX is going to have a lot to answer for.

Free speech does not mean you will not be held accountable for your words as well if someone get's hurt because of something you said. And Beck's (possible) underlying mental problems aside, FOX pays him to fill up airtime.

[Hobodeluxe]

yeah.....ok.

ya see.....people here know that I'm a Fiscal Conservative/Social Liberal that is a registered Independent.....I've proven it throughout my posts since this forum opened.

Please show me your proof....

so post count = credibility? I'm of the idea that everyone thinks they are centered. maybe slightly left or right but no one perceives themselves to be on the fringe. you are for gay rights. I am too and pro life(to a point). we're both 2nd amendment fans.

I'm 50 with two grown children and a wife who has lived their whole life in the south. I have traveled but this is home. I'm not some socialist. Or left wing nut. I just think our govt,legal and economic structure favors a certain class of people to the detriment of others.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Beck will deny it. Fox, will, as well. O'Reily called Dr. Tiller a Nazi, and even used the nickname The Baby Killer...and he, nor FOX, could see any connection between that the possible animosity being hurled towards the guy that resulted in his murder.

Beck thinks videogames will make people kill people. But, him inciting fear and violence...just tickles people.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

yeah.....ok.

ya see.....people here know that I'm a Fiscal Conservative/Social Liberal that is a registered Independent.....I've proven it throughout my posts since this forum opened.

Please show me your proof....


lol.

Driver's license? Social secuity number? Bank account? What ya looking for, in terms of "proof"?

DNA evidence?

[Nivek]

Beck will deny it. Fox, will, as well. O'Reily called Dr. Tiller a Nazi, and even used the nickname The Baby Killer...and he, nor FOX, could see any connection between that the possible animosity being hurled towards the guy that resulted in his murder.

Beck thinks videogames will make people kill people. But, him inciting fear and violence...just tickles people.

They can deny it all they want, till criminal charges are filed. Besides, if something does happen and the rest of the media reports the connection, public opinion should hopefully lead to FOX being made to answer for their words.

Right now, I think the spike in ratings isn't due to new fans being established, as much as morbidly curious people tuning in to see when Beck has a full on Psychotic Break.

Besides, Morton Downey Jr. had a bunch of viewers as well. Look what happened to that a-Clown.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

It won't.

Everytime someone says, "man...that mother****er is sounding crazy..." suddenly, they freak out and think we're talking about a fairness doctrine.

And freedom. And guns. And stuff.

[Nivek]

Beck owning guns is scary enough. He seems like the type to wave it at high neighbor at 8am because they are running a lawnmower as they are trying to sleep off the Meth Hangover.

The guy ain't right in the head. It's not funny or Cute, the guy has issues.

[Paradyme]

I strongly agree that someone at FOX better step up to Beck and back down his specific thinly veiled hate rhetoric before someone takes a shot at Obama. There have been at least 2 violent armed confrontations with self described Glenn Beck viewers (the shooters here in Florida and Pittsburgh), and if someone does something stupid and it's lead back to something Beck said (again), FOX is going to have a lot to answer for.

Free speech does not mean you will not be held accountable for your words as well if someone get's hurt because of something you said. And Beck's (possible) underlying mental problems aside, FOX pays him to fill up airtime.

He has said numerous times that the correct way to go about stopping this massive expansion of government is peacefully and calmly and has stated that the first time a person pulls a gun out and shoots someone it will discredit the whole movement. As far as I can remember he has never stated that someone should go out and kill the President.

I guess a lot of you have problems hearing that...? Some of you act as though he should be held responsible for how people twist his words to fit into their own psychopathic ideas. To me that's crazy.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Twist his words?

Are you serious?

Nobody needs to twist anything with this guy. He does that on his own.

Playing quarterback thearpist, he seems to suffer from some stuff.

[Paradyme]

I am serious. I'd like a list of all the things that can be taken as a literal sense to kill the President, CBB. Since you say they are very apparent. I want to read them.

or do I need to ask "Would you kindly?" :cwink:

[BlackestNight]

nevermind

[Nivek]

Some of you act as though he should be held responsible for how people twist his words to fit into their own psychopathic ideas. To me that's crazy.


No one is twisting his words, he is saying all the things that incite paranoia in already unstable individuals and other things that could trigger someone to do something drastic. Saying something like "He is like Hitler", or "someone needs to stop him" to most people is one thing, they can blow it off for the partizan crazy talk that it is. but to the misguided souls who believe he is a level headed individual that shares their ideals, that's squirting lighter fluid around a lit match. Hell, Bill O already got a Doctor murdered and that's bad enough (and he needs to answer for that). But the democratically elected President being placed as a target that needs to be taken out?

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I am serious. I'd like a list of all the things that can be taken as a literal sense to kill the President, CBB. Since you say they are very apparent. I want to read them.

or do I need to ask "Would you kindly?" :cwink:


I said it was apparent he wanted us to kill the President?

Because...if it was...wouldn't he be in jail?

[Paradyme]

No one is twisting his words, he is saying all the things that incite paranoia in already unstable individuals and other things that could trigger someone to do something drastic. Saying something like "He is like Hitler", or "someone needs to stop him" to most people is one thing, they can blow it off for the partizan crazy talk that it is. but to the misguided souls who believe he is a level headed individual that shares their ideals, that's squirting lighter fluid around a lit match. Hell, Bill O already got a Doctor murdered and that's bad enough (and he needs to answer for that). But the democratically elected President being placed as a target that needs to be taken out?

I'm not saying you are twisting his words I'm saying crazy people are and the fact that you believe someone should be held responsible because you believe it to be inflammatory speech is the most ridiculous thing ever. Especially, when it is as obviously out of context. Unless he has explicitly stated that 'Someone needs to kill the President', I don't get how you can sit there and think that he would be responsible for what some other person did.

What did Bill O'Reilly say again that should hold him accountable for the murder of that doctor? I didn't really pay attention around the time of that discussion.

[Paradyme]

I said it was apparent he wanted us to kill the President?

Because...if it was...wouldn't he be in jail?

You are inferring it, are you not?

I might've misunderstood and indirectly pulled you into this. If I did I'm sorry.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

...you mean the same way Beck infers that the President is killing America?

although, I'm pretty sure he's said that one outright.

[Nivek]

I'm not saying you are twisting his words I'm saying crazy people are and the fact that you believe someone should be held responsible because you believe it to be inflammatory speech is the most ridiculous thing ever. Especially, when it is as obviously out of context. Unless he has explicitly stated that 'Someone needs to kill the President', I don't get how you can sit there and think that he would be responsible for what some other person did.

What did Bill O'Reilly say again that should hold him accountable for the murder of that doctor? I didn't really pay attention around the time of that discussion.


He's gotten enough over the edge that Advertisers are leaving his show in droves because they had feedback from enough people, and had the common sense to get some distance from this kook.

As far as Bill's influence in the Dr.Tiller case goes, look up his references to "Tiller the Baby Killer" and the infamous "he must be stopped" line. There was plenty about it after the Doctor was blown away in front of his family at his church.

[StorminNorman]

I can't believe people are still trying to blame Bill O'Reilly for Tiller's death. Ridiculous.

[Paradyme]

...you mean the same way Beck infers that the President is killing America?

although, I'm pretty sure he's said that one outright.

...and? That would be somes belief. It doesn't mean most normal, rational people, like yourself and I, are going to run out and go kill the President. That would be ridiculous.

He's gotten enough over the edge that Advertisers are leaving his show in droves because they had feedback from enough people, and had the common sense to get some distance from this kook.

As far as Bill's influence in the Dr.Tiller case goes, look up his references to "Tiller the Baby Killer" and the infamous "he must be stopped" line. There was plenty about it after the Doctor was blown away in front of his family at his church.

See, I guess, at least to me, when someone says he must be stopped line, I don't take it to the extreme of 'Oh, the only way to do that is to kill him.'

Obviously, that crazy person that killed Tiller did. It's not like O'Reilly said explicitly "He must be stopped. Someone needs to kill him." I don't really see how you can put really any blame on him. It's a matter of opinion though. Which you feel he should be tried or in trouble under that phrase I don't see how that would even hold up.

As far as Beck's advertisement situation, I'm sure he'll be fine with the other advertisers he has. If he needs more, I'm bet he'll find more or Fox will find them for him.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I'm not saying O'Reily is responsible. Just that a connection can be made between calling a man a nazi baby killer...and someone thinking they're being a savior in killing him. That doesn't make O'Reily responsible in my book, though.

The dude just better not claim that videogames turns people into murderers. He'd be a hypocrite for it.

And, sad to say...Beck isn't being turned down by the advertisers because he's inciting fear.

Or, maybe now he is. I still think it all goes back to claiming that our President, who's late mother...and grandparents who raised him...were white...hates white people.

[Paradyme]

I'm not saying O'Reily is responsible. Just that a connection can be made between calling a man a nazi baby killer...and someone thinking they're being a savior in killing him. That doesn't make O'Reily responsible in my book, though.

The dude just better not claim that videogames turns people into murderers. He'd be a hypocrite for it.

And, sad to say...Beck isn't being turned down by the advertisers because he's inciting fear.

Or, maybe now he is. I still think it all goes back to claiming that our President, who's late mother...and grandparents who raised him...were white...hates white people.

Then you and I are pretty much on the same page. Beck has said some stupid things.

I think the racist comment might've been one of those moments where it comes across your mind, you say it then later you are thinking 'Whoops. That was really stupid. I wish I hadn't said that'. Although, if that were the case I'd probably apologize.

[Superman]

I forget who said it first, And I'm paraphrasing it here, but they got it right.

There is a reason advertisers run their ads over and over again. It's because they know when a person sees an ad over and over it will eventually influence them to buy and use their product.

It works the same way with Beck, O'Reilly, Fox News and their viewers. Fox viewers are told on a daily basis lies that Obama and the Dems are...

Socialist
Baby and/or grandma killers.
Muslim and/or terrorists lovers.
Not "Real Americans" {ie, Obama was born in Kenya...}
Nazis and/or Hitler like.
Taking over America
And so on and so on...

They are told this every day over and over again and, Like the ads the advertisers run everyday, Eventually it's going to influence someone to try to save their country from the evil Dems and the President.

Someone is going to get hurt before it's all over and I can't wait to see how some of the Fox apologists around here try to explain how it's really not Fox's fault when it happens.

[Paradoxium]

All the news outlets do the same old ********. Why get all worked up cause it is Fox. It's not like whatever fringe demographic watches it, will change their tune if Fox gets completely abolished or something.

[StorminNorman]

I forget who said it first, And I'm paraphrasing it here, but they got it right.

There is a reason advertisers run their ads over and over again. It's because they know when a person sees an ad over and over it will eventually influence them to buy and use their product.

It works the same way with Beck, O'Reilly, Fox News and their viewers. Fox viewers are told on a daily basis lies that Obama and the Dems are...

Socialist
Baby and/or grandma killers.
Muslim and/or terrorists lovers.
Not "Real Americans" {ie, Obama was born in Kenya...}
Nazis and/or Hitler like.
Taking over America
And so on and so on...


Sorry, but that's bull*****.

[VampElvis]

Yeah, kinda like Olbermann and his ilk repeatedly telling us Cheney is the worst person in the world, all Christians fully support the killing of abortionist and want your kids not to be taught science, all conservatives are superstitious racists that are intellectually inferior and wish only fisticuffs as dialogue, etc. etc. etc.

And it must be working! Because going from there to "the only logical conclusion is someone will be inspired to violence ergo these conservative voices must be silenced" is intellectually dishonest.

[StorminNorman]

The fact Superman would include O'Reilly with that ilk proves that he has no idea what he is talking about. O'Reilly handling of Obama has been nothing short of fair. He has often defended Obama on everything pre-healthcare, ESPECIALLY when it cames to his handling of foreign affairs.

[The Overlord]

And who here, in this forum, has made such arguments?

Not who I'm directing that too, I'm directing that to the pundits on Fox News who make the social con arguments rap and video games, they deserve to have their own rules thrown back at them.

[Hobodeluxe]

Sorry, but that's bull*****.

that's a lie and you know it

[Superman]

Wow, Paradoxium and StorminNorman sticking up for Fox, What a suprise. Now all we need is Kel to make it a hat trick.:whatever:

[StorminNorman]

Don't hate us because we are accurate.

[Paradoxium]

Where did I stick up for Fox? I saying your standards are inconsistent. The repeat ad naseum ******** is a phenomenon not exclusive to Fox.

And besides who are you to lecture people on lies and shutting them down?

You are pissing and moaning about an ass clown like Glenn Beck. If you hate him, turn off the TV. Hell that's what I do.

But I haven't heard a peep from you about Bernanke who lied bold faced weeks on and off WHILE UNDER OATH. And he caused a near cataclysmic market fail. Yes Glenn Beck being a jackass is more important than someone in power that caused and could cause another economic meltdown :whatever:. See when you turn off the TV with Bernanke, he still burns your ass and wallet.

Yet he got reappointed again.

I don't give a **** about Fox, what ticks me off is the standard Beck is held to, over someone like Bernanke.

[The Overlord]

Don't hate us because we are accurate.

Let me borrow a page from your book:

:whatever::whatever::whatever::whatever::whatever: :whatever::whatever::whatever::whatever:

Where did I stick up for Fox? I saying your standards are inconsistent. The repeat ad naseum ******** is a phenomenon not exclusive to Fox.

And besides who are you to lecture people on lies and shutting them down?

You are pissing and moaning about an ass clown like Glenn Beck. If you hate him, turn off the TV. Hell that's what I do.

But I haven't heard a peep from you about Bernanke who lied bold faced weeks on and off WHILE UNDER OATH. And he caused a near cataclysmic market fail. Yes Glenn Beck being a jackass is more important than someone in power that caused and could cause another economic meltdown :whatever:. See when you turn off the TV with Bernanke, he still burns your ass and wallet.

Yet he got reappointed again.

I don't give a **** about Fox, what ticks me off is the standard Beck is held to, over someone like Bernanke.

But you see you are ignoring human nature here, people don't like people who act like a jack asses. People are going to dislike the A-hole co-worker they have to deal with every day more some government official and people can see some the elements that makes them hate the jerks they deal with every day in an ass clown like Beck. Don't I have to like Beck and I don't have like him even if I turn of his show because someone else is going to report on antics elsewhere.

When people say he's an important voice for democracy or something similar, I'm really going to take issue with that. I dislike the pedestal he is put upon more then anything, he is an ass clown, yet people worship him. That's what I don't about him, he claims he is an entertainer, but his show is treated like public discourse, that is why I don't like him, he's dishonest.

Besides I have heard different opinions on Bernanke, every panel member on the McLaughlin Group seemed to think he was doing a good job and no not everyone on the panel is left wing. So its not some universal opinion that Bernanke is going to destroy the world.

[The Professor]

I haven't actually watched the news since 1966. I heard something about Robert Kennedy dying?

[Handsome Rob]

Wow, Paradoxium and StorminNorman sticking up for Fox, What a suprise. Now all we need is Kel to make it a hat trick.:whatever:

It's really no more surprising than post after post showing 1) your incessant man-love for Obama and all things Democratic or 2) your blinding, partisan hatred for anything Republican. :whatever:

[Hobodeluxe]

have you guys heard the latest (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=r98&q=glenn+beck+raped+and+killed+a+girl+in+1990%3F&btnG=Search&aq=f&oq=&aqi=)? There's a lot of smoke around this rumor. And where there's smoke there's fire. (according to Glenn)

[DACrowe]

I forget who said it first, And I'm paraphrasing it here, but they got it right.

There is a reason advertisers run their ads over and over again. It's because they know when a person sees an ad over and over it will eventually influence them to buy and use their product.

It works the same way with Beck, O'Reilly, Fox News and their viewers. Fox viewers are told on a daily basis lies that Obama and the Dems are...

Socialist
Baby and/or grandma killers.
Muslim and/or terrorists lovers.
Not "Real Americans" {ie, Obama was born in Kenya...}
Nazis and/or Hitler like.
Taking over America
And so on and so on...

They are told this every day over and over again and, Like the ads the advertisers run everyday, Eventually it's going to influence someone to try to save their country from the evil Dems and the President.

Someone is going to get hurt before it's all over and I can't wait to see how some of the Fox apologists around here try to explain how it's really not Fox's fault when it happens.

The others are right Superman. Fox and other right-wing opinion leaders have nothing to do with violence in this country. Okay, Bill O'Reilly says George Tiller has a baby mill and all but calls him a baby killer on his show countless times and then he gets gunned down in church. What? Like it is O'Reilly's fault that he called the guy a murderer countless times to a core demographic of nutjobs and rednecks and then someone, just happened to take action.

Or does Glenn Beck have an ounce of blame or coupability because within a month of saying "[Obama] is going to take your gun" that Richard Poplawski shot and KILLED THREE POLICE OFFICERS, BECAUSE OF "THE OBAMA GUN BAN."

Nonsense. And what is this poppycock about "conservative extremists on the rise," just because Neonazis have had a rise in attendance and and James W. Von Brunn SHOT AND MURDERED an African-American guard at the Holocaust museum last June doesn't mean conservative extremism is on the rise and Fox News is fueling the flames.

There is nothing wrong with people showing up with guns at Obama rallies and comparing him to Hitler. No. Could they be influenced by Glenn Beck constantly juxtaposing Obama with 20th century fascists and saying he has a "deep seated hatred for white culture?" OF COURSE NOT.

Next you'll be saying a prospective governor of Idaho making jokes about hunting Obama as he prepares to, as he says in his words, take an endangered species until last month and "wipe them off the map," is troubling. A Republican possible governor CAN'T MAKE JOKES ABOUT SHOOTING OBAMA? WHAT NEXT, THEY SHOULDN'T AGREE WITH A GUY WHO CALLS HIMSELF A RIGHT WING TERRORIST?!?! WHAT IS THE WORLD COMING TO?!?!

Blaming the right for right wing crazies who murder, threaten and endanger is wrong. That is allllllll liberal left wing propaganda. I heard so on Fox News.

[Hobgoblin]

Can we all agree that the media likes to tear people down and be negative? FOX is right leaning, they will tear down Obama, justly or not. MSNBC is left leaning, they tore Bush down, justly or not. They all repeat crap on people that oppose them. I think it sucks and shouldnt be that way, but it is. I would love love love the news just to report the facts and keep commentary to a minimum but it aint gonna happen. People like the rabble-rousers. Unfortunately, some listeners (on both sides) dont think for themselves. Thats where trouble starts.

[VampElvis]

I think the intellectually honest can, unfortunately I don't see a lot of intellectual honesty being proliferated around here (or in most places for that matter).

Almost everywhere I look I see the attitude of "how can I pick and choose and distort the facts to prop up a weak conclusion in order to cast dispersions on those evil people on the (pick to insert right or left )" coupled with an attitude of "I'm willing to ignore and indeed try to justify the shortcomings of those that are on "my side" while attacking the "others" for the same behavior if it helps help me make them look bad".

I think people are just too darn lazy to think independently; they read the paper, strike that, they watch the talking heads then parrot what is said as if it were their own thoughts buying in fully to an us vs. them mentality while deluding themselves into the pretense that they are "independents".

Anyway why hasn't there been any discussion to blame/justify the actions of the eco-terrorists whom have no doubt been influenced by the constant media sensationalism over climate change:cwink:

[DACrowe]

Can we all agree that the media likes to tear people down and be negative? FOX is right leaning, they will tear down Obama, justly or not. MSNBC is left leaning, they tore Bush down, justly or not. They all repeat crap on people that oppose them. I think it sucks and shouldnt be that way, but it is. I would love love love the news just to report the facts and keep commentary to a minimum but it aint gonna happen. People like the rabble-rousers. Unfortunately, some listeners (on both sides) dont think for themselves. Thats where trouble starts.

I'd agree that much of the news media in this country, particularly television news, even more in particularly cable television news--is very poor and based on short-term nearsighted news cycle interpretations and BS infotainment programs and partisan hacks.

But I just find Beck to have become the realization of Howard Beale, except Beale's corporate shilling and insanity had some logic by the end of the movie while Beck just seems to be going further off the deep end.

And I honestly do think Beck and Fox are inciting extremely dangerous rhetoric. Olbermann is a self-righteous blowhard but I don't think he ever convinced people they should bring guns to Bush events and think he is going to put them in concentration camps. Beck (and Hannity, Limbaugh and the extreme right) are spouting some very scary rhetoric. To be fair O'Reilly is no different than the narcissistic ego of Olbermann, IMO, so he is not that bad. Though I think he (and Matthews, Olbermann, etc.) are terrible additions to the political discourse in this country and when he gets riled up he says some really stupid **** that the true believers take as gospel.

Sad, really.

[Paradoxium]

Let me borrow a page from your book:

:whatever::whatever::whatever::whatever::whatever: :whatever::whatever::whatever::whatever:



But you see you are ignoring human nature here, people don't like people who act like a jack asses. People are going to dislike the A-hole co-worker they have to deal with every day more some government official and people can see some the elements that makes them hate the jerks they deal with every day in an ass clown like Beck. Don't I have to like Beck and I don't have like him even if I turn of his show because someone else is going to report on antics elsewhere.

When people say he's an important voice for democracy or something similar, I'm really going to take issue with that. I dislike the pedestal he is put upon more then anything, he is an ass clown, yet people worship him. That's what I don't about him, he claims he is an entertainer, but his show is treated like public discourse, that is why I don't like him, he's dishonest.

Besides I have heard different opinions on Bernanke, every panel member on the McLaughlin Group seemed to think he was doing a good job and no not everyone on the panel is left wing. So its not some universal opinion that Bernanke is going to destroy the world.Sure they do, when it is not they are not being baited. I recall seeing a clip of Maddow a while back boldfacedly lying about Hoover and Bush being a bunch of laissez -fare free capitalist that brought the downfall of the financial crisis. Nevermind that is completely distorting the narrative and blame. Considering both Bush and Hoover did bailouts and stimulating as well. FDR's policy was Hoover on steroids. Nope not a complaint here or on any media outlet.

And of course there will be people who like Bernanke like those who like Beck. But Bernanke is not held the same standard as Beck. This is infuriating. This man continuously lied under oath man. He lied on television. And he is hailed as a hero.
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This is insanity.

This is not even in the same ballpark. The things Bernanke has done and is capable of doing is vastly more than an idiot like Beck. The Federal Reserve is the most responsible for regulation in the first place, and they were also the people who supplied the credit in the first place that allowed this securitized loan maddness. They were suppose to warn people about all this. And the worst part is, it's not like this is a partisan issue for the hardline partisans.

An economic collapse completely outstrips the hooligans of some right wing fringe. It is not the same class period.

[Paradyme]

Mount Vernon to award Glenn Beck key to city

MOUNT VERNON, Wash. -- The mayor of Mount Vernon has made it official. Mayor Bud Norris says he will give the key to his city to conservative talk show host Glenn Beck (http://search.komonews.com/default.aspx?ct=r&q=Glenn+Beck) on September 26.

Norris says Beck will deliver a short talk that night and become the first person to receive a key to the city in the six years Norris has been mayor.

Protesters from the Skagit County Young Democrats walked outside city hall Tuesday with protest signs, one reading "Change the locks!"

They called it "totally inappropriate" to give a man who labeled President Barack Obama a "racist" (http://www.komonews.com/news/national/51933922.html) a key to the city.

Norris told KOMO News the key does not represent city approval of every comment that Beck may make, but recognizes a local boy who made it big.

Norris says he knew Beck when the talk show host was just 12 years old. He said he remembers the tyke carrying a sandwich board saying "Vote for Norris for county commissioner" up and down Mount Vernon's First Street.

He said he and Beck's parents were friends, but said this is not a political payback for campaigning decades ago. He said this is merely a recognition of someone who is from Mount Vernon.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/56662302.html


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[Superman]

The others are right Superman. Fox and other right-wing opinion leaders have nothing to do with violence in this country. Okay, Bill O'Reilly says George Tiller has a baby mill and all but calls him a baby killer on his show countless times and then he gets gunned down in church. What? Like it is O'Reilly's fault that he called the guy a murderer countless times to a core demographic of nutjobs and rednecks and then someone, just happened to take action.

Or does Glenn Beck have an ounce of blame or coupability because within a month of saying "[Obama] is going to take your gun" that Richard Poplawski shot and KILLED THREE POLICE OFFICERS, BECAUSE OF "THE OBAMA GUN BAN."

Nonsense. And what is this poppycock about "conservative extremists on the rise," just because Neonazis have had a rise in attendance and and James W. Von Brunn SHOT AND MURDERED an African-American guard at the Holocaust museum last June doesn't mean conservative extremism is on the rise and Fox News is fueling the flames.

There is nothing wrong with people showing up with guns at Obama rallies and comparing him to Hitler. No. Could they be influenced by Glenn Beck constantly juxtaposing Obama with 20th century fascists and saying he has a "deep seated hatred for white culture?" OF COURSE NOT.

Next you'll be saying a prospective governor of Idaho making jokes about hunting Obama as he prepares to, as he says in his words, take an endangered species until last month and "wipe them off the map," is troubling. A Republican possible governor CAN'T MAKE JOKES ABOUT SHOOTING OBAMA? WHAT NEXT, THEY SHOULDN'T AGREE WITH A GUY WHO CALLS HIMSELF A RIGHT WING TERRORIST?!?! WHAT IS THE WORLD COMING TO?!?!

Blaming the right for right wing crazies who murder, threaten and endanger is wrong. That is allllllll liberal left wing propaganda. I heard so on Fox News.Well at least someone gets it. Well done. :up: :yay:

[Kane52630]

i wrote a government paper on how wrong this guy is
i got an A for it :D

[Paradoxium]

James W. Von Brunn shares some of the same views as Wright (on Jews), hated Bush, McCain, Fox, and Murdoch (see his online essays). He considered the Neocon movement as Jewish. Nevermind his Christian hating:

As duped Aryan sheep begin to understand the "Holocaust" they also begin to better understand Christianity. Both have similar origins. Both have identical objectives.... The New Testament was written in Greek. Paul - who believed the World was flat, that Joshua made the sun stand still, and Jehovah spoke from a burning bush -- wrote one-third of it, perhaps more. The events described in the 24 Books are often contradictory, fail the time-line, defy both archaeology's and nature's immutable laws, and are suicidal if practiced. Nevertheless, the shamans bought it, taught it, and the illiterate public was coerced, brainwashed, threatened, tortured, murdered, and enthralled. The Encyclopedia Britannica states that over 6,000 major redactions exist between the Septuagint (translation of Aramaic into Greek) and its St. James biblical translation.

The Gospels profess that only Christians may enter Yahweh's Kingdom of Heaven. To qualify, among other demands, Christians must LOVE THEIR ENEMIES (Jews); give away their personal belongings; eschew knowledge; judge not, despise nature, abandon earthly pleasures, acknowledge that all YHWH's children are equal; and above all else worship YHWH, the jealous, wrathful, vengeful, unforgiving, genocidal, anthropomorphic tribal god (Jesus' father) created by Hebrews in their image and likeness. Omnipotent, omniscient YHWH promises Hebrews that they alone shall inherit the earth, that it is commendable to steal from Gentiles, better yet -- kill them. Whereas Gentiles, if they fail to worship YHWH, are transported straight to Hell. And it is written, "A little child shall lead them."

These dangerous, imbecilic, concepts, tenets, and teachings, often treasonous, DESTROYED the Roman Empire and drenched the soil of Europe with Aryan blood for almost 2000 years!

The Big Lie technique, employed by Paul to create the CHRISTIAN RELIGION, also was used to create the HOLOCAUST RELIGION ... CHRISTIANITY AND THE HOLOCAUST are HOAXES.

"Christianity" destroyed Roman Civilization. The "Holocaust" Religion is destroying Western Civilization. The Aryan gene-pool dies, "unwept, unhonored and unsung."But of course this rightwing hate is a result of Beck and Fox.

[Paradoxium]

http://www.red-alerts.com/homeland-security/so-it-begins-shots-fired-at-holocaust-museum-in-dc-after-jeremiah-wright-claims-them-jews-are-controlling-obama
Asked if he had spoken to the President, Wright said: “Them Jews aren’t going to let him talk to me. I told my baby daughter, that he’ll talk to me in five years when he’s a lame duck, or in eight years when he’s out of office. …

“They will not let him to talk to somebody who calls a spade what it is. … I said from the beginning: He’s a politician; I’m a pastor. He’s got to do what politicians do.”

Wright also said Obama should have sent a U.S. delegation to the World Conference on Racism held recently in Geneva, Switzerland, but that the president did not do so for fear of offending Jews and Israel.

“Ethnic cleansing is going on in Gaza. Ethnic cleansing of the Zionist is a sin and a crime against humanity, and they don’t want Barack talking like that because that’s anti-Israel,” Wright said.http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/6302/sotnbr343graphicjpg.gif

http://canadiancoalition.com/adbusters01/
A lot of ink has been spilled chronicling the pro-Israel leanings of American neocons and fact that a the disproportionate percentage of them are Jewish. Some commentators are worried that these individuals – labeled ‘Likudniks’ for their links to Israel’s right wing Likud party – do not distinguish enough between American and Israeli interests. For example, whose interests were they protecting in pushing for war in Iraq?

Drawing attention to the Jewishness of the neocons is a tricky game. Anyone who does so can count on automatically being smeared as an anti-Semite. But the point is not that Jews (who make up less than 2 percent of the American population) have a monolithic perspective. Indeed, American Jews overwhelmingly vote Democrat and many of them disagree strongly with Ariel Sharon’s policies and Bush’s aggression in Iraq. The point is simply that the neocons seem to have a special affinity for Israel that influences their political thinking and consequently American foreign policy in the Middle East.
A christian hating, registered Democrat in Maryland and 9/11 truther. Yeaaaa :whatever:

It's not as clean cut and dry as rightwing extremist. A fringe lunatic is a fringe lunatic. It knows no borders.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_antisemitism

BTW Noam Chomsky is pretty well revered in the left wing academic circles, but he is a damn anti-semite. No big deal there.

Both sides have their haters and racists. Some of you guys are dogpiling it on one end because it makes a side you support look clean. The difference is I am saying both sides are culpable.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Yeah, kinda like Olbermann and his ilk repeatedly telling us Cheney is the worst person in the world, all Christians fully support the killing of abortionist and want your kids not to be taught science, all conservatives are superstitious racists that are intellectually inferior and wish only fisticuffs as dialogue, etc. etc. etc.



Obama was Worst Person in the World, before.

Not exactly a "go kill him" list if that's what you're inferring.

And when did he say ALL christians support killings??

[Hobodeluxe]

I love how a proclamation by Bernanke that the economy is improving and the steps they have taken helped to turn it around is dismissed by the economic experts here and in the same breath they say that Beck is more credible when he talks about Obama's Hitler Youth and the overthrow of capitalism by destroying the country so his socialist overlords can take over.

/facepalm

[DACrowe]

James W. Von Brunn shares some of the same views as Wright (on Jews), hated Bush, McCain, Fox, and Murdoch (see his online essays). He considered the Neocon movement as Jewish. Nevermind his Christian hating:

But of course this rightwing hate is a result of Beck and Fox.

Oh yeah. I'm sure he and Wright would get along fabulously, especially considering Brunn was a racist who shot a black man. Brunn was an example of right wing extremism on the rise and if you pretend he and Wright with civil right anger are peas in the same pod you're delusional (not that I'm defending Wright, just saying they are extremely different, starting with Brunn actually killing a man).

My point is as the Justice Department said this year, right wing terrorism and organizations are on the rise and then Fox News dismisses this as "liberal latté sipping propaganda" and fuel that rhetoric by defending people who compare Obama to Hitler and giving a nutjob (Beck) airtime to do it himself on a near daily basis and push out rhetoric like "Obama has a deep seated hatred of white people," which just enrages those on the fringe even more and gives them false justification.

But yeah, let's defend the crazies because they want to get rid of Obama, who cares if some may think he is really destroying democracy and capitalism and think the quickest way will be by rifle point. A man who killed three cops in Pittsburgh did so because he heard the rumor, one popularized by Glenn Beck, that Obama is going to "take your gun"

And you defend him? The right is lumping themselves in with dangerous people and fueling hatred and racism in this country, because they'll do "the only point of politics--win more votes." :dry:

[Paradoxium]

Where did I defend Beck or say he has any credibility? I have been saying for the last couple pages how you hold Beck to this standard and not Bernanke, given the recent reappointment campaign of his. I don't doubt Beck done stupid ****, but I wouldn't know or care because I don't watch, listen or read his stuff. More importantly, this is not even a partisan issue, Bernanke is neither in the Democrat or Republican party.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I thought he was Republican?

[Paradoxium]

Wouldn't shock me considering Bush appointed him. And besides he has no partisan loyalties given his position.

[Paradoxium]

Oh yeah. I'm sure he and Wright would get along fabulously, especially considering Brunn was a racist who shot a black man. Brunn was an example of right wing extremism on the rise and if you pretend he and Wright with civil right anger are peas in the same pod you're delusional (not that I'm defending Wright, just saying they are extremely different, starting with Brunn actually killing a man).

My point is as the Justice Department said this year, right wing terrorism and organizations are on the rise and then Fox News dismisses this as "liberal latté sipping propaganda" and fuel that rhetoric by defending people who compare Obama to Hitler and giving a nutjob (Beck) airtime to do it himself on a near daily basis and push out rhetoric like "Obama has a deep seated hatred of white people," which just enrages those on the fringe even more and gives them false justification.

But yeah, let's defend the crazies because they want to get rid of Obama, who cares if some may think he is really destroying democracy and capitalism and think the quickest way will be by rifle point. A man who killed three cops in Pittsburgh did so because he heard the rumor, one popularized by Glenn Beck, that Obama is going to "take your gun"

And you defend him? The right is lumping themselves in with dangerous people and fueling hatred and racism in this country, because they'll do "the only point of politics--win more votes." :dry:All you've done is retain the accusation he is rightwing extremist, you haven't disapproven :

- anti-Semitism as a pure right wing thing. It's not even close, it is a quality left, right and islamic fundamentalists.
- his anti-Christianity
- his anti-Bush/McCain/Fox/Murdoch schtick from his online essays
- 9/11 truther'ism
- being a registered Democrat

Nor have you addressed the fact that fringe lunatics are simply fringe lunatics. Their warped world is waiting to crack, to attest one stupid comment as the outright cause of their idiocy is a logical fallacy: Post Hoc, Ergo Propter Hoc. And no, I am not one of those idiots who make the same argument that violent video game is going to deteriorate society.

Then you accuse me of defending Beck, who I don't even watch, save for a few youtube clips posted here or on Jon Stewart. All I can make of him is he is bloviating cow that baits people. Big fat hairy deal. Suddenly he is the love child of Satan and Tom Rothman.

[dnno1]

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He admits to being a clown and needs to be locked behind wall and gates. Yup, I figured as much.

[Superman]

Where did I defend Beck or say he has any credibility? I have been saying for the last couple pages how you hold Beck to this standard and not Bernanke, given the recent reappointment campaign of his. I don't doubt Beck done stupid ****, but I wouldn't know or care because I don't watch, listen or read his stuff. More importantly, this is not even a partisan issue, Bernanke is neither in the Democrat or Republican party.Bernanke, Bernanke, Bernanke...:whatever:

You want to know why no one is talking about Bernanke? It's because this is the Beck thread, Not the Bernanke thread. And your attempt to try to compare the two is ridiculous. They are not even close to being the same.


You want to complain about Bernanke...
http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=328802

Knock yourself out IN YOUR THREAD.

We are talking Beck and things related to that subject. If we wanted to talk about Bernanke we would do it IN THE BERNANKE THREAD.

[SuBe]

Superman, he was discussing Beck and replying to a statement about Bernake. Thanks for the help Modderating.

[The Nose Goblin]

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Wtf is this?! Robot voices?

Is Glenn Beck saying that Obama's czars are more than meets the eye?

Or is Glenn Beck just bat **** crazy.

We report, you decide!

[Kelly]

In the case of the Czars....alittle of both. I think some need to be looked at closely, and I also think Beck is bat**** crazy...

[The Nose Goblin]

Oh my God, I stand corrected!

Glenn Beck was on to something!!!

BEHOLD, Obama's new Czar for Advanced Robotics!:wow:

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[imdaly]

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[Addendum]

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[The Nose Goblin]

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/816/megatron4president.jpg

http://www.gwjokes.com/pictures/optimus-prime.jpg

Now that is change we can believe in!

[DACrowe]

All you've done is retain the accusation he is rightwing extremist, you haven't disapproven :

- anti-Semitism as a pure right wing thing. It's not even close, it is a quality left, right and islamic fundamentalists.
- his anti-Christianity
- his anti-Bush/McCain/Fox/Murdoch schtick from his online essays
- 9/11 truther'ism
- being a registered Democrat

Nor have you addressed the fact that fringe lunatics are simply fringe lunatics. Their warped world is waiting to crack, to attest one stupid comment as the outright cause of their idiocy is a logical fallacy: Post Hoc, Ergo Propter Hoc. And no, I am not one of those idiots who make the same argument that violent video game is going to deteriorate society.

Then you accuse me of defending Beck, who I don't even watch, save for a few youtube clips posted here or on Jon Stewart. All I can make of him is he is bloviating cow that baits people. Big fat hairy deal. Suddenly he is the love child of Satan and Tom Rothman.

I said he was a sign of right wing extremism and your point mostly is "well there are anti-semites on the left too." A very weak argument. My point is that this is but an example of a problem that Fox News is contributing to and then pretending doesn't exist. I am aware of his contradictions, but the fact is he is part of a growing disgruntled minority in this country that is literally picking up arms now and are being urged to do so by Fox News. Yeah there are liberal racists, but they're not the ones I'm worried about planning assassinations either.

[Nivek]

The others are right Superman. Fox and other right-wing opinion leaders have nothing to do with violence in this country. Okay, Bill O'Reilly says George Tiller has a baby mill and all but calls him a baby killer on his show countless times and then he gets gunned down in church. What? Like it is O'Reilly's fault that he called the guy a murderer countless times to a core demographic of nutjobs and rednecks and then someone, just happened to take action.

Or does Glenn Beck have an ounce of blame or coupability because within a month of saying "[Obama] is going to take your gun" that Richard Poplawski shot and KILLED THREE POLICE OFFICERS, BECAUSE OF "THE OBAMA GUN BAN."

Nonsense. And what is this poppycock about "conservative extremists on the rise," just because Neonazis have had a rise in attendance and and James W. Von Brunn SHOT AND MURDERED an African-American guard at the Holocaust museum last June doesn't mean conservative extremism is on the rise and Fox News is fueling the flames.

There is nothing wrong with people showing up with guns at Obama rallies and comparing him to Hitler. No. Could they be influenced by Glenn Beck constantly juxtaposing Obama with 20th century fascists and saying he has a "deep seated hatred for white culture?" OF COURSE NOT.

Next you'll be saying a prospective governor of Idaho making jokes about hunting Obama as he prepares to, as he says in his words, take an endangered species until last month and "wipe them off the map," is troubling. A Republican possible governor CAN'T MAKE JOKES ABOUT SHOOTING OBAMA? WHAT NEXT, THEY SHOULDN'T AGREE WITH A GUY WHO CALLS HIMSELF A RIGHT WING TERRORIST?!?! WHAT IS THE WORLD COMING TO?!?!

Blaming the right for right wing crazies who murder, threaten and endanger is wrong. That is allllllll liberal left wing propaganda. I heard so on Fox News.


:word:

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Metal Gear...!!??

[VampElvis]

Obama was Worst Person in the World, before.

Not exactly a "go kill him" list if that's what you're inferring.

And when did he say ALL christians support killings??

I didn't mean to attribute any such quote to him.
Not saying he didn't, or wouldn't, say it, but I'm not saying he did :cwink:

Regardless, the inference that this is what would be meant is every bit as logical as the conclusion that others would be responsible for acts of violence on the President.

[Paradoxium]

I am going to start watching Beck just to see why the hell this guy is causing such a huge stink.

[Paradoxium]

BTW, if anyone of you guys have clips of his crazy moments please them here.

[Nivek]

Just Google or search for Glenn+Beck+Crazy videos, or Glenn+Beck+Racist, or hell... Glenn+Beck+Crying, Glenn+Beck+Yelling, Glenn+Beck+Nancy+Pelosi

[BlackLantern]

apparently the show has lost 6 or 7 more sponsors including HSBC, Mercedes-Benz, Discover, and Capital One

[terry78]

Beck likes to backpedal, that's pretty much what it is. He was spouting off about how we have to "take back" the country, and some of his listeners are talking about using violence to obtain the means.

[Paradoxium]

Sounds like he is using the very same "community activism" tactics by the progressives. Such as using fear and hate to incite action and thug tactics. Which is not justified. This type of stupidity leads to rightwing populism, and the last time that happened, it was (it's not hard to figure this one out).... This mistake of the right is to use the tactics of the progressives. The progressives are superior at this, so they will recognize and know how to counter nullify these types of tactics.

[Kelly]

As he loses sponsors he gains viewers.....wow.

[Mister Sinister]

http://www.gwjokes.com/pictures/optimus-prime.jpg

Now that is change we can believe in!

The first time I read that, I thought it said Optimus Prime Wins Erection. Being in a movie with Megan Fox does that I suppose.

[Paradoxium]

Apparently, a number of viewers are boycotting the products and services of some of these companies now.

[Kelly]

That's what I'm hearing.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Yeah, Beck can try and fight the Corporations.

But, he'll lose. Everyone loses against...the Corporations.

[Paradoxium]

Pisssh, protests, TV-baiting and outright fighting your enemy is sooooo... predictable.

One ought to resort to more devious methods :twisted:

[ChrisBaleBatman]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/03/glenn-beck-tries-and-fail_n_276401.html


Beck Fails At Art History

[Superman]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/03/glenn-beck-tries-and-fail_n_276401.html

Keith covered this on Countdown tonight. If anyone can watch this batsh** crazy crap coming from Beck and then come back and defend it, They are crazier than he is.:whatever:


I am going to start watching Beck just to see why the hell this guy is causing such a huge stink.

Well just check out the link from Chris and you will see all you need to.

[Paradoxium]

Isn't Olbermann pretty much another Beck himself :huh:

[Superman]

Isn't Olbermann pretty much another Beck himself :huh:

Olbermann can't hold a candle to the crazy that is Beck.

[Paradoxium]

Or was it Franken.

[Kelly]

Well, I'm not sure that I would put Franken up against Beck. Beck actually is a student of history. He may see history through his bias....(which most do, so nothing really weird there...)BUT, he has his own idea of history, the fact is though, he has studied it. Franken, I'm not sure, has any intellect whatsoever that I've seen.

So, I would say..... "Just enough knowledge to make him scary Beck" vs. "Absolutely ignorant Franken".

Hopefully Franken will learn something while in office.

[Addendum]

If I want to learn about something from history, I'll go to an actual historian not Beck

[Paradoxium]

Been skimming back and forth, surprised he talks about Progressives.
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Although I have taken something else from it. At least the structure of what is now and progressivism in general.

Speaking of which I really should finish off that Progressive thread I started :o

[VampElvis]

Actually Franken is, or at least was back when I'd still read his books, quite intelligent. Olbermann, also intelligent though he never seemed as smart as Franken to me, is seemingly a self-desctructive egoist and thus probably closer to the grabbag of humanity that is Beck.

[Nivek]

Isn't Olbermann pretty much another Beck himself :huh:


No way, Keith ihas his over-the-top moments, but he's not doing his speeches in front of an image of an American flag as he cries crocodile tears and mentioning 9/11.

[Paradoxium]

No way, Keith ihas his over-the-top moments, but he's not doing his speeches in front of an image of an American flag as he cries crocodile tears and mentioning 9/11.So what, Beck is an emo douchbag. Olbermann is a theatrical douchbag. Both are over the top windbags. Well at least based on the videos I've seen. I get the criticism towards Beck, but I can't understand how anyone can defend Olbermann at the same time. They seem to be cut from the cloth of douchiness. It's the whole toying with people emotions and angers to drive up ratings.

[Nivek]

Olbermann isn't getting cop's killed by riling up the wacko basket, that's the huge difference in "doucheness".

[Paradoxium]

Can you prove Olbermann is not potentially riling up wackos? The both of them are doing the populist rage schtick that is conducive to this crap.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Olbermann isn't getting cop's killed by riling up the wacko basket, that's the huge difference in "doucheness".


Whoa whoa, I know I don't pay as much attention to some of this stuff. But when did cops get killed at town hall meetings and such? :wow:

[Nivek]

The three cops who were gunned down in Pittsburgh by a mentally unbalanced Glenn Beck fan who believed (after hearing Beck rant on about it in his show) that Obama's administration was going to strip away 2nd amendment rights and "take away his guns". He did a bit on his show days before the shooting.

[voyzovrezon]

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He admits to being a clown and needs to be locked behind wall and gates. Yup, I figured as much.

He says he doesn't want to live behind walls and gates, but he should be in a padded cell.

[voyzovrezon]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/03/glenn-beck-tries-and-fail_n_276401.html



This reminds me of amateur historian Jordan Maxwell. Maxwell takes the countries symbols, such as the fascis seen in the House chamber and equates it with Rome. The fascists, like the nazi's, borrowed from that and often used the symbol in their architecture.

What Beck is trying to say is that progressives are responsible for the Marxist architecture seen in areas like the United Nations. That's why we are in the grip of fascism. It's affected all of us on a subconscious level. :hehe:

[Kurosawa]

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Lovin' the sarcasm here.

[voyzovrezon]

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[Paradoxium]

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Lovin' the sarcasm here.http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/5749/smileylaughing005.gif

[voyzovrezon]

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Lovin' the sarcasm here.

On a related note...:hehe:

http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/eyes-glenn-beck-are-upon-you

[Addendum]

This reminds me of amateur historian Jordan Maxwell. Maxwell takes the countries symbols, such as the fascis seen in the House chamber and equates it with Rome. The fascists, like the nazi's, borrowed from that and often used the symbol in their architecture.

What Beck is trying to say is that progressives are responsible for the Marxist architecture seen in areas like the United Nations. That's why we are in the grip of fascism. It's affected all of us on a subconscious level. :hehe:

But the "beating swords into plowshares" that's behind the UN building, and the little statue that he got on a field trip to Soviet Russia originated from the bible.

So is he saying that the bible is communist?

[ChrisBaleBatman]

"I love the program, but I don't listen to it."

lmfao.

[Kurosawa]

On a related note...:hehe:

http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/eyes-glenn-beck-are-upon-you

It's like the Woodstock documentary...if it was about hack pundits.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

So what, Beck is an emo douchbag. Olbermann is a theatrical douchbag. Both are over the top windbags. Well at least based on the videos I've seen. I get the criticism towards Beck, but I can't understand how anyone can defend Olbermann at the same time. They seem to be cut from the cloth of douchiness. It's the whole toying with people emotions and angers to drive up ratings.

The most Olbermann ever seems to get to "theatrically" is asking for people to be fired. Or step down.

He does that quite a bit.

But, you cannot even compare Olbermann to Beck in theatricality.

C'mon, you cannot be serious about that. Beck has a ****ing Doom Room. A ****ing Doom Room.

Who can beat HIS theatricality??

[Paradoxium]

The most Olbermann ever seems to get to "theatrically" is asking for people to be fired. Or step down.

He does that quite a bit.

But, you cannot even compare Olbermann to Beck in theatricality.

C'mon, you cannot be serious about that. Beck has a ****ing Doom Room. A ****ing Doom Room.

Who can beat HIS theatricality??Having less or more doesn't justify it, it's wrong. You fire up populist emotions - left or right - you are asking for trouble.

[8wid]

He got what he wanted when it came to Van Jones. I'm surprised that he resigning over the fact he signer a petition in the 9/11 truthers movement, and not over allegations that Beck raised that he is a self-proclaimed communist, or because of his comments regarding the Republican party. Sometimes Beck gives insightful information that is important to learn about, however I still question if he is a mouthpiece for Fox News because he addresses only politics related to the White House or conservative America. I lean somewhat the first direction because he was on CNN with his opinions for over two years before he moved, and during that time so many did not care about his views until his show became part of the Fox lineup.

[Hobodeluxe]

Beck is simply a right wing demagogue. Given special access because the United States is full of morons who will watch his insanity and buy into it because it's what they want to believe.

It's interesting to watch the personality types he (and the right in general) plays to. Those who are inclined to believe what they cannot see. Who take things on pure faith. With no evidence to support it. People who rely on "feelings". Religious people. Paranoid types. People with victimization complexes. Xenophobes,Homophobes and nationalists.

it's the assorted nuts party.

[Matt Mortem]

Beck is simply a right wing demagogue. Given special access because the United States is full of morons who will watch his insanity and buy into it because it's what they want to believe.

It's interesting to watch the personality types he (and the right in general) plays to. Those who are inclined to believe what they cannot see. Who take things on pure faith. With no evidence to support it. People who rely on "feelings". Religious people. Paranoid types. People with victimization complexes. Xenophobes,Homophobes and nationalists.

it's the assorted nuts party.
To a certain extent I agree with you. From a political standpoint, I agree with some of the ideas and concepts the Right has and I agree with some of the ideas the Left has, but it is the paranoia and all around nutty behavior that keeps me away from the right.

[Kelly]

To a certain extent I agree with you. From a political standpoint, I agree with some of the ideas and concepts the Right has and I agree with some of the ideas the Left has, but it is the paranoia and all around nutty behavior that keeps me away from the right.


That is why I stay away from the Right as well, and Pelosi all by herself keeps me away from the left. I'll stay a proud Independent.

[Matt Mortem]

I'm 100% with you Kel. I consider myself Center-Left, but there's crazy on both sides. I just think the right has a bit more wacko's than the left. I won't register as Dem or Rep. I'll stay Independent!

[Addendum]

When I registered to vote in '96, I wrote None for party affiliation.

In the 13 years since, nothing has convinced me to join any political party

[Venom'sDad]

This country is so divided, it would not surprise me this country falls into CivilWar; but more so, a RevolutionalWar.

I'm a Constitutionist, existing laws should be enforced. Admendments to the Constitution is watering down the very document; sad to say, it's legal however. There by giving ever more power to the Federal Government, and less self-governing. The game has been changing for decades now; so now, we are close to an endgame, that will change this country forever... or at least for our lifetime.

The Left is for Big, Centralize Government. The Right is for the Military Industrial & Corporate Complex. Either way, slaves to both. This what happen when you allow yourself to become dumb-down and apathetic about our right to self-government. We have become lazy and dependent... and now paying the price, with the end of this great society.

:(

[Addendum]

The flames of war enhances the flavor of the s'more

[Matt Mortem]

This country is so divided, it would not surprise me this country falls into CivilWar; but more so, a RevolutionalWar.

I'm a Constitutionist, existing laws should be enforced. Admendments to the Constitution is watering down the very document; sad to say, it's legal however. There by giving ever more power to the Federal Government, and less self-governing. The game has been changing for decades now; so now, we are close to an endgame, that will change this country forever... or at least for our lifetime.

The Left is for Big, Centralize Government. The Right is for the Military Industrial & Corporate Complex. Either way, slaves to both. This what happen when you allow yourself to become dumb-down and apathetic about our right to self-government. We have become lazy and dependent... and now paying the price, with the end of this great society.

:(
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I feel 1000000% the same way.

[X-Ray]

When I registered to vote in '96, I wrote None for party affiliation.[/B][B]

In the 13 years since, nothing has convinced me to join any political party

Been doing the same since 2000.

[LouFerignoDemon]

This country is so divided, it would not surprise me this country falls into CivilWar; but more so, a RevolutionalWar.

I'm a Constitutionist, existing laws should be enforced. Admendments to the Constitution is watering down the very document; sad to say, it's legal however. There by giving ever more power to the Federal Government, and less self-governing. The game has been changing for decades now; so now, we are close to an endgame, that will change this country forever... or at least for our lifetime.

The Left is for Big, Centralize Government. The Right is for the Military Industrial & Corporate Complex. Either way, slaves to both. This what happen when you allow yourself to become dumb-down and apathetic about our right to self-government. We have become lazy and dependent... and now paying the price, with the end of this great society.

:(


Really? Nobody? Fine...

THEY'RE COMING FOR YOUR GUNS!!! :cmad:

Though, in all actuality. It does definitely seem to be less and less self governing, which is a slightly scary aspect if you ask me.

[The Nose Goblin]

I'm a Constitutionist, existing laws should be enforced. Admendments to the Constitution is watering down the very document; sad to say, it's legal however.

Amendments watering down the Constitution?

Lets see since 1787, its only been amended 27 times and the first ten of those (aka The Bill of Rights) were ratified in 1791.

You couldn't possibly be talking about those...

Well, then maybe you're talking about the 13th Amendment (1865) that abolished slavery?

Or maybe its that sneaky 19th Amendment (1920) that gave women the right to vote?

I bet its that evil 22nd Amendment (1951) that limits a president to two terms of office!:cmad:

You say 'existing laws should be enforced', but they wouldn't be existing laws if the constitution hadn't been amended.

Head exploded yet?

[StorminNorman]

Technically the Constitution has been "watered down" since George Washington's first term with the creation of the federal bank.

[Bob ROARman!]

This country is so divided, it would not surprise me this country falls into CivilWar; but more so, a RevolutionalWar.

I'm a Constitutionist, existing laws should be enforced. Admendments to the Constitution is watering down the very document; sad to say, it's legal however. There by giving ever more power to the Federal Government, and less self-governing. The game has been changing for decades now; so now, we are close to an endgame, that will change this country forever... or at least for our lifetime.

The Left is for Big, Centralize Government. The Right is for the Military Industrial & Corporate Complex. Either way, slaves to both. This what happen when you allow yourself to become dumb-down and apathetic about our right to self-government. We have become lazy and dependent... and now paying the price, with the end of this great society.

:(

I would say it's not really the amendments, but take a look at a lot of Executive Orders. It's not hard to see what they ultimately want to attain, they say it themselves.

"Today, America would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order. Tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told that there were an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well-being granted to them by the World Government."
—Dr. Henry Kissinger, Bilderberger Conference, Evians, France, 1991

How many times has that scenario happened throughout history? It still works on us. Don't fix something if it ain't broke.

[Hobgoblin]

Amendments watering down the Constitution?

Lets see since 1787, its only been amended 27 times and the first ten of those (aka The Bill of Rights) were ratified in 1791.

You couldn't possibly be talking about those...

Well, then maybe you're talking about the 13th Amendment (1865) that abolished slavery?

Or maybe its that sneaky 19th Amendment (1920) that gave women the right to vote?

I bet its that evil 22nd Amendment (1951) that limits a president to two terms of office!:cmad:

You say 'existing laws should be enforced', but they wouldn't be existing laws if the constitution hadn't been amended.

Head exploded yet?

Exactly. The Constitution is known as a Living Document, meaning that it can change and adapt over time. The Amendment process is meant to be slow and arduous, so not every ridiculous idea can be added to the Constitution. Only the best Amendments will be added but the idea that the Framers intended for the Constitution to stay in an 18th century mindset forever is wrong.

[Shifty]

Old clip of Colbert on Beck
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[Matt Mortem]

God bless Colbert.

[DACrowe]

This country is so divided, it would not surprise me this country falls into CivilWar; but more so, a RevolutionalWar.

I'm a Constitutionist, existing laws should be enforced. Admendments to the Constitution is watering down the very document; sad to say, it's legal however. There by giving ever more power to the Federal Government, and less self-governing.

:dry:

Well...maybe you're right. The amendments have sure watered down the original document. Pesky Bill of Rights. Ensuring the individual with freedom of speech, freedom of religion (and also creating a separation of church and state), etc. is truly weak-kneed. When the First Amendment allows freedom of the press and the Fourth Amendment allows freedom to a fair trial, it sure weakens the government.

But maybe we should be more outraged at the amendments after the first ten. First the government frees the slaves and then they also have equal voting rights? Ugh. Way to get in the way of how states like to govern their elections. Couldn't they at least go back to 3/5 standards with minorities votes only counting as 3/5 of one? After all the original Constitution had that compromise and it is a much stronger document without these inclusions. What next? Women's rights? Aw nuts.

The game has been changing for decades now; so now, we are close to an endgame, that will change this country forever... or at least for our lifetime.

....right....endgame.........yeah. Hyperbole much? Revolution? Civil War? Because last time it worked sooooooo well.

I'm not saying it is you, but why is it that most of these "we're going to have a revolution" people sound like sore losers? I'm just saying....

[DACrowe]

I would say it's not really the amendments, but take a look at a lot of Executive Orders. It's not hard to see what they ultimately want to attain, they say it themselves.

"Today, America would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order. Tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told that there were an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well-being granted to them by the World Government."
—Dr. Henry Kissinger, Bilderberger Conference, Evians, France, 1991

How many times has that scenario happened throughout history? It still works on us. Don't fix something if it ain't broke.

Normally I hate Kissinger. I find him to be a self-serving/excusing "realist," who hides behind selfish philosophy to rationalize his prolonging of the Vietnam War and starting a secret war that resulted in the deaths of 2 million people.....

BUT, this quote is interesting. If you just changed "UN troops" to "US troops" and "World Government" to "US Government," it'd be right on the money.

What a phantom threat--whether based on fact or not-- that is used to excuse a large extraneous body of government to take huge amounts of control of local government and ignore previous existing laws, as well as international law, individual sovereignty and basic human rights all in the name of "national security?" Kind of like ignoring the Geneva Convention and UN bylaws to wage war in Iraq, torture prisoners and practice rendition? Or spying on our own citizens without warrants and holding them indef. without seeing a lawyer all in the name of "national security."

Pretty much describes the Bush years right there.

[Bob ROARman!]

Kissinger and especially the Rockefeller family provide a wealth of "interesting" quotes.

"We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order."
—David Rockefeller

"We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected the promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world-government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the National auto determination practiced in past centuries"- David Rockefeller's address Bilderburg Group meeting, 1991

"For more than a century, ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interest of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists ' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it." - David Rockefeller in his memoirs

"He said there is going to be an event, and out of that event we are going to invade Afghanistan and Iraq...there are going to be soldiers looking in caves for people they're not going to find...there's going to be an endless war on terror where there is no real enemy. And I would ask him how were you going to get people to believe in this and he would say the media would keep repeating it and repeating it over and over again until it became truth." - The late Aaron Russo on his conversations with Nick Rockefeller.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Old clip of Colbert on Beck



Hmmm. Beck compared Hitler and Jesus.

I'm not shocked.

[Hobgoblin]

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Beck and Ben Stein agreeing that Obama will destroy not only America, but Israel as well. Wow, Obama really is Hitler, isnt he? :wow:

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And another jerk that thinks Obama hates Jews...but cant say why....

[Nivek]

....right....endgame.........yeah. Hyperbole much? Revolution? Civil War? Because last time it worked sooooooo well.

I'm not saying it is you, but why is it that most of these "we're going to have a revolution" people sound like sore losers? I'm just saying....


This is the kind of talk that pi$$es me off. The very essence of sedition, (bordering toward Treason given the individuals verve) but they ramble it out with no damn consequences.

[redfirebird2008]

This is the kind of talk that pi$$es me off. The very essence of sedition, (bordering toward Treason given the individuals verve) but they ramble it out with no damn consequences.

First Amendment. :cwink:

[Nivek]

First amendment doesn't mean your words have no consequences. Especially in this climate with so many people running around with assault rifles and hand guns at political rallies.

[redfirebird2008]

First amendment doesn't mean your words have no consequences. Especially in this climate with so many people running around with assault rifles and hand guns at political rallies.

All you can get them for is incitement of violence, but that will never happen even if a person flat-out admits that he/she was inspired by Beck to do something violent. People in entertainment or the media are almost never held directly accountable for inciting other people to acts of violence. Just the way it is and likely always will be.

[Nivek]

After the Pittsburgh Police shootings, and the Tiller Murder, it's getting dangerously transparent to incite unbalenced people and not having to answer for it.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Yeah...the concept of my words having consequences...isn't exactly communism.

Consequences don't exactly mean arrest or getting killed.

[Bob ROARman!]

This is the kind of talk that pi$$es me off. The very essence of sedition, (bordering toward Treason given the individuals verve) but they ramble it out with no damn consequences.

Who are you talking about?

[Nivek]

People who insinuate about a coming Race War, Revolution, or "the people rising up and takin their Country back". At worst, the chumps in Texas breaking off from the country.

[C.F. Kane]

After the Pittsburgh Police shootings, and the Tiller Murder, it's getting dangerously transparent to incite unbalenced people and not having to answer for it.

Don't forget the Holocaust Memorial shooting.

[Franklin Richards]

People who insinuate about a coming Race War, Revolution, or "the people rising up and takin their Country back". At worst, the chumps in Texas breaking off from the country.

I'm from Texas and I have no intention of letting the morons break off from the country.


Don't believe the hype. They are outnumbered.


:doom: :doom: :doom:

[Addendum]

I'm from Texas and I have no intention of letting the morons break off from the country.


Don't believe the hype. They are outnumbered.


:doom: :doom: :doom:

In size and intelligence

[Matt Mortem]

You know something has just dawned on me. I'm am by no means a Glenn Beck fan (which I have made apparent), but now that I'm kind of seeing what's going on I'm afraid I'm going to have to withdraw any statements I made about Beck starting trouble or making people brings guns to rallies and kill people. It has occured to me that this is similar to blaming Marilyn Manson for Columbine and with Columbine being so close to my heart I should have seen it.

[Nivek]

No, it's nothing like the crap thats targeted toward artists like Marilyn Manson. Matter of fact, it's an insult to artist's like Manson who are entertainers, to compare them to some kook who has a open podium on a news channel 5 days a week. I don't listen to bands like Manson, or Dimmu Borgir, or or Cannibal Corpse and think of them feeding me information and discussing anything that effects me in real life. I know it's entertainment, and it never intends to be otherwise. Beck is presented as a Political Commentator, on a damn news channel. With Flags and crosses and gun logos plastered on the screen. Where heavy metal bands usually depict Satanic imagery and have some harsh lyrics and their product is sold with a DAMN WARNING LABEL on it, FOX is packaging their product as news. Hell, it even has that snazzy little logo in the left hand corner with the word "News" in it. So when some clown on a described NEWS channel says "Obama is taking away your guns" or "Dr. Tiller is killing babies", that's a whole other can of beans to me. At least for the most part Heavy Metal fans can tell apart reality from fiction.

[Franklin Richards]

Marilyn Manson's contribution is music. It is not called "News". It's grounded in fantasy. Beck's program may be just as fantastic but it cloaks itself in the guise of truth.



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[Superman]

No, it's nothing like the crap thats targeted toward artists like Marilyn Manson. Matter of fact, it's an insult to artist's like Manson who are entertainers, to compare them to some kook who has a open podium on a news channel 5 days a week. I don't listen to bands like Manson, or Dimmu Borgir, or or Cannibal Corpse and think of them feeding me information and discussing anything that effects me in real life. I know it's entertainment, and it never intends to be otherwise. Beck is presented as a Political Commentator, on a damn news channel. With Flags and crosses and gun logos plastered on the screen. Where heavy metal bands usually depict Satanic imagery and have some harsh lyrics and their product is sold with a DAMN WARNING LABEL on it, FOX is packaging their product as news. Hell, it even has that snazzy little logo in the left hand corner with the word "News" in it. So when some clown on a described NEWS channel says "Obama is taking away your guns" or "Dr. Tiller is killing babies", that's a whole other can of beans to me. At least for the most part Heavy Metal fans can tell apart reality from fiction.Amen!:applaud

[Nivek]

Thank you, but that really steams me, musicians first amendment rights means their music get's regulated, edited, and a warning label slapped on it due to Government interference. Where the hell is Beck's label?

[Franklin Richards]

You make a good point. Fox News should have a warning label.


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[Nivek]

No, because they do that DVD commentary-ish "FOX IS NOT LIABLE FOR THE OPINION EXPRESSED BY OUR COMMENTATORS" text thrown in the credits.

[Addendum]

Metal fans, rap fans, and gamers can tell the difference between reality and fiction. It's the *******s like Jack Thompson and others that lack the mental capacity to do likewise.

Then there's Beck with his pet unicorn

[Nivek]

Metal fans, rap fans, and gamers can tell the difference between reality and fiction. It's the *******s like Jack Thompson and others that lack the mental capacity to do likewise.

Then there's Beck with his pet unicorn

Jack Thompson..., yeah... that guy is a huge douche. Wasn't he on Penn & Tellers Bull**** show not that long ago, or was that another nutball? I remember him being one of the guys going after Stern at one time.

[DACrowe]

I'm not one to strictly blame media or subscribe to "media makes people more violent." But News channels have a voice of authority and there is such a thing as an Opinion Leader. Given Beck's demographic, he is leading their opinions with lies about gun bans. How is that going to end, really? Come on.

[Matt Mortem]

I'm so glad I could light such a passion in all of you. I'm a Manson fan and I went through Columbine so I understand violence and causes of violence. Beck needs to be moved to a different network and be labeled as entertainment for right wing nutjobs and thats it. Unfortunately people believe he is speaking the truth.

[bell110]

I'm 100% free speech. I'm a metal head, so I understand where you guys are coming from. But, as much as I think Beck is a ****tard, he still has the right to speak his mind, and if Fox wants to air it, well, it's a sad statement on that demographic. I was ok with Amadenijad (sp?) speaking at that university a few years ago that Republicans wanted cancelled, I'm ok with KKK rallies, and I'm ok with Beck and his "entertainment".

[Addendum]

And I'm ok with companies deciding to pull their advertising from Beck's show, I'm ok with the protests outside the venue where a band is playing, I'm ok with the anti-KKK demonstrators showing up at those rallies and outnumber the idiots in bedsheets...

[samsnee]

There's freedom of speech, but there's also laws against yelling Fire! in a crowded theater. It's all about intent. And I absolutely believe that Beck is doing this with the intention of hoping someone takes a shot at the President.

[Matt Mortem]

I agree with samsnee. I think Beck may not be actively trying to start something, but the man wouldn't weep if the president was shot by a conservative crazy.

[Addendum]

nor would I weep if Beck dies of natural or unnatural causes

[bell110]

And I'm ok with companies deciding to pull their advertising from Beck's show, I'm ok with the protests outside the venue where a band is playing, I'm ok with the anti-KKK demonstrators showing up at those rallies and outnumber the idiots in bedsheets...

Oh, me too, I LOVED that companies pulled their advertising from Beck. And it's awesome to watch anti-KKK demonstrators outnumber the Klan. Unfortunately I've never had the privilege to run into any protestors at any concerts I've ever been to, and trust me, I'd have a good time with it if it happend. But free speech, to me, is non-negotiable.

[Kelly]

I think that is going way far.....

He's not an Obamalover for sure, but I do not think for one second that he wants him dead, or even secretly wishes for it.

That's just not cool....

[redfirebird2008]

...but the man wouldn't weep if the president was shot by a conservative crazy.

That applies to millions of people in the country, whether liberal (against Bush) or conservative (against Obama). That's how polarized it is. Sad state of affairs but it's just the way it is. :csad:

[Matt Mortem]

I hate how polarized our country is. We should be American's not Republicans or Democrats and yet here we are fighting a 'cold war' with one another. Eventually it will escalate and Beck is just another piece of the very large puzzle.

[bell110]

There's freedom of speech, but there's also laws against yelling Fire! in a crowded theater. It's all about intent. And I absolutely believe that Beck is doing this with the intention of hoping someone takes a shot at the President.

The problem with that analogy is that when you are in a crowded theater, you know there are like only two exits for dozens of people. That is why it causes a sense of immediate panic.

Crazy people are going to be crazy, regardless of what pushes them over the edge.

[samsnee]

I hate how polarized our country is. We should be American's not Republicans or Democrats and yet here we are fighting a 'cold war' with one another. Eventually it will escalate and Beck is just another piece of the very large puzzle.

I do too. I think it all goes back to ignorance. There are those in this country who unfortunately don't realize that this country is changing, whether they like it or not. It's becoming more diverse, and ethnic, and like it or not, no matter how much they may want it, it's never going back to the where it was during the mid 1900s.

[Matt Mortem]

I agree. Ignorance is the biggest threat facing America right now and I believe we are being over-run by it. There is paranoia and closemindedness suffocating progress. We, as a country, need to broaden our minds and that will in turn make a better America. Unfortunately all the old white men that run the country still want it to run as it did in the 40's and 50's and Obama is nothing more than a cog in that great machine.

[Kelly]

I will broaden my mind when the President can explain to me how he's going to pay for it......:cwink:

[redfirebird2008]

I will broaden my mind when the President can explain to me how he's going to pay for it......:cwink:

I agree. Very curious about the lofty promises he made. Something about not signing a bill if it adds to the deficit. That could be his "read my lips, no new taxes" moment. :cwink:

[Kelly]

Yeah, that may come back to bite him in the ass....

[redfirebird2008]

Yeah, that may come back to bite him in the ass....

Yep. I think he will sign it as long as it accomplishes his major goals, namely the issue of pre-existing conditions. If I remember right, his mom was refused coverage because of a pre-existing condition (and she ended up dying), so it's probably the one thing that is most important to him. If his major goals are in the bill, he will sign it even if it increases the deficit...and that will definitely bite him in the butt because of his promise tonight to not sign a bill if it adds to the deficit.

[Addendum]

I agree. Ignorance is the biggest threat facing America right now and I believe we are being over-run by it. There is paranoia and closemindedness suffocating progress. We, as a country, need to broaden our minds and that will in turn make a better America. Unfortunately all the old white men that run the country still want it to run as it did in the 40's and 50's and Obama is nothing more than a cog in that great machine.

I agree but for some, it's too late to be home trained

[voyzovrezon]

Hmmm. Beck compared Hitler and Jesus.

I'm not shocked.

Yeah, that was a great clip. Beck reveals his authoritarian personality quite nicely there.

[voyzovrezon]

Thank you, but that really steams me, musicians first amendment rights means their music get's regulated, edited, and a warning label slapped on it due to Government interference. Where the hell is Beck's label?

On his butt stamped "Property of Arkham."

[Nivek]

I'm not one to strictly blame media or subscribe to "media makes people more violent." But News channels have a voice of authority and there is such a thing as an Opinion Leader. Given Beck's demographic, he is leading their opinions with lies about gun bans. How is that going to end, really? Come on.


that's the thing. Let's say you come across a paranoid schizophrenic, and you tell them that people are out to get them. Now, if that guy does anything in the next 48 hours that harms someone else, your a trigger. You took someone who was weakened mentally and not in full control, to act out of one of the strongest human instincts, self preservation (even if their is no real threat). You do that one on one, and it is tied to you, your in deep trouble.

But if your a Cable News Channel Commentator, and bleeding marketing revenue because of your trouble for letting your mouth run, they just let you be , because those paranoid undiagnosed people listening to you are a key demographic. Disgusting, but hey, Jenny Jones got sued. I've been waiting for someone to get a class action suit against Bill-o for the Tiller murder. Or something else.

[StorminNorman]

That applies to millions of people in the country, whether liberal (against Bush) or conservative (against Obama). That's how polarized it is. Sad state of affairs but it's just the way it is. :csad:

Obama had a chance to letter the polarization of America - that's his biggest failure of his Presidency.

[redfirebird2008]

Obama had a chance to letter the polarization of America - that's his biggest failure of his Presidency.

No he didn't. I know. I live in an area that hates him and has always hated him and every other Democrat. Just a fact of life around here. This is pretty much the conservative equivalent of what San Francisco is for liberals.

[Nivek]

Thats bull. Obama was never going to win over this vocal yet mentally deficient, self-defeating minority that wears it's racism and willful ignorance on it's sleeve. This is the last real cry these bigots have left, so that's why you see these clowns throwing everything they have in the wacko basket at him. From the Jeremiah Wright, to birth certificate's, to saying he's gonna turn children with a speech.

[voyzovrezon]

Obama had a chance to letter the polarization of America - that's his biggest failure of his Presidency.

:huh: He's reached across the aisle to republicans on all issues and legislation. Geez, what more do you want? He can't reach to the Glenn Beck's of the world because they believe he's a communist socialist nazi out to destroy the world.

[BlackLantern]

you can't reach people that truthfully believe that a minority is "less than" regardless of his position

[voyzovrezon]

Media Matters has another good compilation. Beck's attacks against individuals in Obama's administration are reaching new heights. He's much like another figure in our not so distant past:

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[Matt Mortem]

Wow, that video is pretty eye-opening

[BillyZaned]

I had no idea who Glen Beck was... clicked on it... Fox News??? who watches that crap... it's a breading ground for hatred and intolerance... the only reason I say for it to be kept around in for scientific purposes... we should have scientist go there, and do gnoeme sampling on these people, and show how evolution has stopped within the Fox News room

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I remember him referring to other countries as "dirt bag nations".

He's a very tolerant guy.

[gap5ewl]

Ok this has got be Hannity's best yet..
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And he even plays the clip afterwords...:facepalm:

[X-Ray]

John Stewart is going to have a field day with that one when he returns next week.

[Tally Man]

Ok this has got be Hannity's best yet..
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And he even plays the clip afterwords...:facepalm:

No amount of facepalming can adequately express the fail in that video...

[CelticPredator]

I really doubt that Ann Coulter is that conservative. I think it's all an act to get attention and as the Boondocks says get all that redneck money.

I'd love to call Dexter on her ass. :csad:

[8wid]

Beck does have an excellent point for Americans to consider. We've forgotten how united we can be and how positive and good that can be done when its necessary. I look back now on the 8th anniversary of 9/11 when there was such a concern for each other, and now that has no meaning anymore. When people in 2001 looked back for the one responsible for the attacks, they were full set in motion to resolve the conflict. Now we approach the concept, and many people don't even remember who it was, let alone have any idea where he is. America is lost as a nation in this sense.

[8wid]

Beck does have an excellent point for Americans to consider. We've forgotten how united we can be and how positive and good that can be done when its necessary. I look back now on the 8th anniversary of 9/11 when there was such a concern for each other, and now that has no meaning anymore. When people in 2001 looked back for the one responsible for the attacks, they were full set in motion to resolve the conflict. Now we approach the concept, and many people don't even remember who it was, let alone have any idea where he is. America is lost as a nation in this sense.

[Bob ROARman!]

Yes, set in full motion to resolve the conflict and give up our liberties at the drop of a hat to do so while never resolving the conflict, continuing to ignore more and more evidence of a massive criminal element in our government, and instead created more conflict and more innocent lives being lost. Can't wait to get back to that state of mind. We sure weren't "lost" then.

[imdaly]

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[redfirebird2008]

Hastert, what a hypocritical piece of chit. Selling out the interest of the U.S. for powerful groups in Turkey.

[Kurosawa]

Beck does have an excellent point for Americans to consider. We've forgotten how united we can be and how positive and good that can be done when its necessary. I look back now on the 8th anniversary of 9/11 when there was such a concern for each other, and now that has no meaning anymore. When people in 2001 looked back for the one responsible for the attacks, they were full set in motion to resolve the conflict. Now we approach the concept, and many people don't even remember who it was, let alone have any idea where he is. America is lost as a nation in this sense.

If Bush had committed our resources to going after the right people we would have stayed united.

[Bob ROARman!]

Haha, was that Norman Mineta they cut off with that BS? Makes sense. One of the few guys who actually was up front and honest about what he was witnessing that day.

[8wid]

Yes, set in full motion to resolve the conflict and give up our liberties at the drop of a hat to do so while never resolving the conflict, continuing to ignore more and more evidence of a massive criminal element in our government, and instead created more conflict and more innocent lives being lost. Can't wait to get back to that state of mind. We sure weren't "lost" then.

Uh, that's what helped break unity. If our government had been a trustworthy one in the first place the setting would be different. Because certain elements of the feeling of unity were false doesn't mean that the rest was, and would have been mislead. They weren't when Bush and friends pulled that crap after the attacks, with the Patriot Act, No Child Left Behind, or Iraq... etc. It was one part of the puzzle that destroyed the process, not the entire set.

[Bob ROARman!]

We didn't quite see it as "crap" after the attacks though did we? We wanted something done, we were angry, scared and demanded something be done in response. And that's what we got. Within that day it was determined it was bin Laden was behind the attacks and we bought that and everything that went with it hook line and sinker. What we realize now, it's too little, too late. If we're going to be naive and dumb enough to fall for the same tricks every single time a "crisis" comes up, we are doomed to keep repeating this process.

[8wid]

Ok this has got be Hannity's best yet..
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And he even plays the clip afterwords...:facepalm:
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[8wid]

We didn't quite see it as "crap" after the attacks though did we? We wanted something done, we were angry, scared and demanded something be done in response. And that's what we got. Within that day it was determined it was bin Laden was behind the attacks and we bought that and everything that went with it hook line and sinker. What we realize now, it's too little, too late. If we're going to be naive and dumb enough to fall for the same tricks every single time a "crisis" comes up, we are doomed to keep repeating this process.

I agree with what you are saying, but that national feeling would not have been taken advantage of it there was not a president and an administration who pulled the strings like Palpatine in Star Wars. If America were still united in the way it was, it still mattered what Bush did, and that's why the feeling died off. Americans would have thought rationally and they did, that's part of why the country is do divided now. Feeling strongly to see a resolution doesn't mean that illegal matters would have been allowed, or unseen it just means we are ready to take care of business and we stand together ready to defend the country if need be.

[C.F. Kane]

Ok this has got be Hannity's best yet..
sc4l4pBTDm8

And he even plays the clip afterwords...:facepalm:

It's a rare occasion when I see a video that actually makes me facepalm. not just post a smiley of facepalming, but literally putting my face into my palm.

[redfirebird2008]

Ok this has got be Hannity's best yet..
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And he even plays the clip afterwords...:facepalm:

Wow, that is a pretty amazing distortion. :hehe:

[Hobodeluxe]

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb33/hobodeluxe/Stossel_99.jpg

Hi. I'm John Stossel and I'm tired to pretending to be an objective journalist. (http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/fnc/john_stossel_leaving_abc_for_fox_130603.asp)

[ChrisBaleBatman]

If anything, Fox News will now be the place to go for manstaches.

Hannity...straight up lied.

Did he offer a retraction?

[redfirebird2008]

If anything, Fox News will now be the place to go for manstaches.

Hannity...straight up lied.

Did he offer a retraction?

I doubt he's ever apologized for anything he's said on the air. :cwink:

[StorminNorman]

John Stossel's a good guy and a good journalist.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Really?

I thought it was common practice to do so, just because mistakes do happen. I've seen Olbermann and Maddow make retractions numerous times.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

John Stossel's a good guy and a good journalist.


Awesome.

Ozymandias returns.

[redfirebird2008]

Really?

I thought it was common practice to do so, just because mistakes do happen. I've seen Olbermann and Maddow make retractions numerous times.

I don't think that was necessarily a mistake, just typical "out of context" partisan hackery. :cwink:

[ChrisBaleBatman]

That wasn't out of context.

It was a lie.

Or "factual error".

I'm sure people at Fox News...the O'Reily's, Beck, Greta, Hannity...I'm sure they've offered retractions in the past.

right?

[StorminNorman]

I know O'Reilly has, he is the only one I watch.

[redfirebird2008]

That wasn't out of context.

It was a lie.

Or "factual error".

I'm sure people at Fox News...the O'Reily's, Beck, Greta, Hannity...I'm sure they've offered retractions in the past.

right?


Obama's quote: "Insurance executives don't do this because they're bad people; they do it because it's profitable."

Obama's quote taken out of context: "Insurance executives...they're bad people..."

See how easy that was? Happens all the time in politics, including campaign advertising and such. Hannity has done similar stuff many times before and will continue to do so. :cwink:

[redfirebird2008]

I know O'Reilly has, he is the only one I watch.

You are right. I've seen him apologize for his mistakes.

[Hobodeluxe]

John Stossel's a good guy and a good journalist.

"good" is such a subjective term in this context.

he's not objective by any means. so he will fit in good over at Fox.

[StorminNorman]

"good" is such a subjective term in this context.

he's not objective by any means. so he will fit in good over at Fox.

In what way is he not objective? I have seen him go after both sides.

[Franklin Richards]

Wasn't he the guy that got jumped by the wrestler?



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[Hobodeluxe]

In what way is he not objective? I have seen him go after both sides.

In the type of stories he chooses to do and the slant he puts on them.

He's as objective as Michael Moore and Keith Olbermann in that respect.

[Franklin Richards]

What happened to the post before yours?


Hmmmm....



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[Franklin Richards]

Double


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[ChrisBaleBatman]

I know O'Reilly has, he is the only one I watch.

That's good. I'm happy to hear he's man enough to do that.


Wasn't he the guy that got jumped by the wrestler?



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