Discussion: FOX News

[StorminNorman]

In the type of stories he chooses to do and the slant he puts on them.

He's as objective as Michael Moore and Keith Olbermann in that respect.

I lol'd.

[SuBe]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,548989,00.html?loomia_ow=t0:s0:a4:g4:r4:c0. 000000:b0:z5

John Stossel joins Fox News Channel! This is great news. He will be hosting a Program on the Fox Business Network, discussing Libertarian Issues. Wonderful!

[hitmanyr2k]

If anything, Fox News will now be the place to go for manstaches.

Hannity...straight up lied.

Did he offer a retraction?

I don't think Hannity really meant to distort what Obama said. I believe he's just too stupid to understand the English language.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Anyone else bothered by this...9/12 movement?

[imdaly]

Anyone else bothered by this...9/12 movement?

Only those who fail to realize what it's about.

[VampElvis]

Not a bit.

[Kelly]

Anyone else bothered by this...9/12 movement?

Nope....

[samsnee]

Beck does have an excellent point for Americans to consider. We've forgotten how united we can be and how positive and good that can be done when its necessary. I look back now on the 8th anniversary of 9/11 when there was such a concern for each other, and now that has no meaning anymore. When people in 2001 looked back for the one responsible for the attacks, they were full set in motion to resolve the conflict. Now we approach the concept, and many people don't even remember who it was, let alone have any idea where he is. America is lost as a nation in this sense.

Yeah, Beck really cares for the 9/11 victims. That's why he said this:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5b1_1233761991&c=1

Typical media hypocrite.

[Carcharodon]

Anyone else bothered by this...9/12 movement?What's that?

[samsnee]

nevermind

[StorminNorman]

I remember him referring to other countries as "dirt bag nations".

He's a very tolerant guy.

It's possible to be tolerant and to refer to countries as dirt bag nations.

Become some nations ARE run by dirt bag governments.

Being tolerant doesn't require you to be absent of criticism.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Nope....



Not a bit.


Only those who fail to realize what it's about.

Really? None of you think it's at all exploitive?

I've seen what Beck said that it's about capturing that emotion of the day after 9/11, but...and I don't know if I'm just younger than all of you...but I remember 9/12/01 being a very, very, very ****ing scary ****ed up tense time.

But, let's say Beck ****ed up in that one audio clip.

What's it about, really? And does it NEED to be called 9/12?

[ChrisBaleBatman]

It's possible to be tolerant and to refer to countries as dirt bag nations.

Become some nations ARE run by dirt bag governments.

Being tolerant doesn't require you to be absent of criticism.

I think the entire Conservative movement would disagree with you if you if the criticism was turned around.

If you can dish the critcism, you ought to be able to handle it too.

[Franklin Richards]

I'm watching the Glenn Beck rally and I love to play,

"Where's the Black People?"


See how many you can spot.


I'm up to zero as of now.



:thing: :doom: :thing:

[C.F. Kane]

What's that?

Here's Stephen Colbert's summary
(http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/01/stephen-colbert-rips-apar_n_181673.html)

[Carcharodon]

"This is horrible to say, and I wonder if I'm alone in this," Beck said on his radio program that day, "you know it took me about a year to start hating the 9/11 victims' families? I don't hate all of them. I hate probably about 10 of them. But when I see a 9-11 victim family on television, or whatever, I'm just like, 'Oh, shut up!' I'm so sick of them because they're always complaining. And we did our best for them."**** you, Beck.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I'm watching the Glenn Beck (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=300306&page=36#) rally and I love to play,

"Where's the Black People?"


See how many you can spot.


I'm up to zero as of now.

What the counter on Hispanics?



"This is horrible to say, and I wonder if I'm alone in this," Beck said on his radio program that day, "you know it took me about a year to start hating the 9/11 victims' families? I don't hate all of them. I hate probably about 10 of them. But when I see a 9-11 victim family on television (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=300306&page=36#), or whatever, I'm just like, 'Oh, shut up!' I'm so sick of them because they're always complaining. And we did our best for them."


That's some ****ed up **** to say.

[Franklin Richards]

I think I saw someone waving a Puerto Rican flag but I think they realized they were at the wrong rally.



:thing: :doom: :thing:

[Paradoxium]

This won't work, they need to be more surgical. Attack the unions first, and sources of donation to the Demcorat campaign. And by attack I do not mean bash them; find the thumbscrews and encourage their worst behavior and get them to bankrupt themselves and destroy their own reputation.

Just like this (http://www.nydailynews.com/real_estate/2009/09/11/2009-09-11_workers_shudder_over_stella_doro_shuttering.htm l#ixzz0QpoHuSnq):
Workers at the Stella D'oro cookie factory in the Bronx were still in shock Thursday as the news sunk in that the business had been sold and was moving to Ohio.

They wondered how they'd pay their rents and mortgages, how they'd find another job in today's recession and what they'd do without health insurance.

Workers, who already went through a long, bitter strike that ended in July, trudged out at the end of the day's shift Thursday with hangdog faces and tales of heartbreak.

Rivera said she cannot afford the $1,200 to $1,600 monthly health insurance payments available through her union, Local 50 of the Bakery, Confectionery, Tobacco Workers and Grain Millers International Union.

"I guess I will go like everyone else on unemployment. Imagine this: 138 people out on the street."

After Brynwood bought Stella D'oro from Kraft Foods in 2006, it demanded sharp cuts in wages and benefits. Union workers went on strike in August 2008.

The strike ended in July when a National Labor Relations Board judge ruled Brynwood had negotiated in bad faith with Local 50 and ordered it to pay lost wages and benefits. Brynwood then said it would have to sell the firm.

Alem Fese, 58, a mixer at the plant for 27 years, said she has a $1,500-a-month mortgage and hasn't written a résumé in nearly three decades.

"Who's going to hire me?" she asked. "I don't know what I'm going to do. Really."Union "defeats" Brynwood Partners and Stella D'oro cookie factory protests for wage and benefit reasons (in a god damn deflationary period I might add). And oh they all gets tehH sold and moved to Ohio - everyone out of jobs now. No moar health insurance and pay rent for you. :cwink:

Deflation is the violent force of the market trying to mark down all prices as a result of the net deficit of money printed and credits. This means everyone's wage (rich or poor) needs to come down as a result of these malinvestments. Knowing this... it makes it easier to encourage unions to bankrupt themselves and make the deficits bigger than reality. Also remember, Congress voted for a pay raise during this deflation. This is why Bernanke has been in money printing mode... but it won't work. If it does, it will fail another way with intense stagflation. Heh :woot:

So everyone needs to encourage Obama to spend moar. :woot::up:

[Carcharodon]

This won't work, they need to be more surgical. Attack the unions first, and sources of donation to the Demcorat campaign. And by attack I do not mean bash them; find the thumbscrews and encourage their worst behavior and get them to bankrupt themselves and destroy their own reputation.

Just like this (http://www.nydailynews.com/real_estate/2009/09/11/2009-09-11_workers_shudder_over_stella_doro_shuttering.htm l#ixzz0QpoHuSnq):
Union "defeats" Brynwood Partners and Stella D'oro cookie factory protests for wage and benefit reasons (in a god damn deflationary period I might add). And oh they all gets tehH sold and moved to Ohio - everyone out of jobs now. No moar health insurance and pay rent for you. :cwink:

Deflation is the violent force of the market trying to mark down all prices as a result of the net deficit of money printed and credits. This means everyone's wage (rich or poor) needs to come down as a result of these malinvestments. Knowing this... it makes it easier to encourage unions to bankrupt themselves and make the deficits bigger than reality. Also remember, Congress voted for a pay raise during this deflation. This is why Bernanke has been in money printing mode... but it won't work. If it does, it will fail another way with intense stagflation. Heh :woot:

So everyone needs to encourage Obama to spend moar. :woot::up:Are you sure you meant to post that in this thread?

[Paradoxium]

Not really. Main point is less protest like Beck's 9/12 project (or whatever its called) and more underhanded moves :woot:

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I think I saw someone waving a Puerto Rican flag but I think they realized they were at the wrong rally.



:lmao:

nice.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

This won't work, they need to be more surgical. Attack the unions first, and sources of donation to the Demcorat campaign. And by attack I do not mean bash them; find the thumbscrews and encourage their worst behavior and get them to bankrupt themselves and destroy their own reputation.




Maybe they should get leverage on Judge Faden, and find a DA brave enough to prosecute.

Because it sounds like surveillence would be required for this one.

[imdaly]

Really? None of you think it's at all exploitive?

I've seen what Beck said that it's about capturing that emotion of the day after 9/11, but...and I don't know if I'm just younger than all of you...but I remember 9/12/01 being a very, very, very ****ing scary ****ed up tense time.

But, let's say Beck ****ed up in that one audio clip.

What's it about, really? And does it NEED to be called 9/12?




The 9/12 Project:

This Network of Principled Patriots is dedicated to 9 Principles, 12 Values (see below), & the Constitution of the United States of America!

The Nine Principles

1. America is good.
2. I believe in God and He is the Center of my Life.
3. I must always try to be a more honest person than I was yesterday.
4. The family is sacred. My spouse and I are the ultimate authority, not the government.
5. If you break the law you pay the penalty. Justice is blind and no one is above it.
6. I have a right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness, but there is no guarantee of equal results.
7. I work hard for what I have and I will share it with who I want to. Government cannot force me to be charitable.
8. It is not un-American for me to disagree with authority or to share my personal opinion.
9. The government works for me. I do not answer to them, they answer to me.

The Twelve Values
1-Honesty
2-Reverence
3-Hope
4-Thrift
5-Humility
6-Charity
7-Sincerity 8-Moderation
9-Hard Work
10-Courage
11-Personal Responsibility
12-Gratitude
The 9/12 Project really has nothing at all to do with September 11th, other than than the fact that the day AFTER 9/11/01 is probably the closest we've seen of a truly united country in...well...all of MY life at least.

And the protest is not about Obama. It's not about Democrats. It's about the government IN GENERAL being completely out of control and stomping over all of these Principals and Values that the 9/12ers believe in.

Only item in either of these lists that I don't personally hold true is the 2nd principal, but that's just me.

[Carcharodon]

That's interesting. Beck himself seems to be pissing all over principle 3.

[samsnee]

Why weren't there these kind of protests when Reagan drove up the debt more than any other President in history at that time?

[Franklin Richards]

Why stick God in there? Just to demonize the secular population?


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[Paradoxium]

I am not a christian (or really religious for that matter) and I am not offended :huh:

[Carcharodon]

Why stick God in there? Just to demonize the secular population?


:thing: :doom: :thing:No. He's just trying to appeal to a certain group.

Three guesses which one.

[imdaly]

I am not a christian (or really religious for that matter) and I am not offended :huh:
Ditto.

[imdaly]

No. He's just trying to appeal to a certain group.

Three guesses which one.

Americans?

[Hobodeluxe]

So we're celebrating how we all came together on 9/12/01 by massing a huge movement to overthow the current administration?

[ChrisBaleBatman]

The 9/12 Project really has nothing at all to do with September 11th, other than than the fact that the day AFTER 9/11/01 is probably the closest we've seen of a truly united country in...well...all of MY life at least.

So, he didn't NEED to label it the 9/12 project.

I don't think 9/12 was a good day for us. I don't remember us being united on 9/12. I think AFTER 9/12 were...don't have a specific date, but I think 9/12 was not a united time for us. It was a ****ing scary, freaked moment for us.

I was young, but that's what I remember.

I think we were very united after 9/12, though. 9/12 was just way too white hot with what had happened the day prior.


And the protest is not about Obama. It's not about Democrats. It's about the government IN GENERAL being completely out of control and stomping over all of these Principals and Values that the 9/12ers believe in.



It sounds like the Tea Party thing. Is that on purpose?

[imdaly]

So we're celebrating how we all came together on 9/12/01 by massing a huge movement to overthow the current administration?

:doh:

No.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Americans?


funny one. nice.

[Franklin Richards]

Whoah! I saw an Asian!


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[Paradoxium]

The effect immediately after 9/11 is the "rally round the flag (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rally_Round_the_Flag_Syndrome)" phenomenon. It's nothing new. Politicians love to capitalize on things such as this. I think a better description is the "Polarity Strategy" - shifting focus on some figure or symbol. Be it on Beck, Palin, Bin Laden, Bush or Obama. It's common for those who like to toy the populist emotion.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Looking at the Principles and Values again, and I hope nobody takes too great an offsense to my thoughts on them. Principle 5 kinda seems to contradict with principle 4 and 9. Atleast just a tad. Feels like Principle 5 looks out of place in the whole list. Principle 1 probably could have used some more meat on it.

Value 2 sounds very...hippy-ish.

Does someone have to believe in ALL of those things to be a 9/12er and march?


The effect immediately after 9/11 is the "rally round the flag (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rally_Round_the_Flag_Syndrome)" phenomenon. It's nothing new. Politicians love to capitalize on things such as this. I think a better description is the "Polarity Strategy" - shifting focus on some figure or symbol. Be it on Beck, Palin, Bin Laden, Bush or Obama. It's common for those who like to toy the populist emotion.


Patriotism.

I don't think it was invented after 9/11, though...

[imdaly]

So, he didn't NEED to label it the 9/12 project.

I don't think 9/12 was a good day for us. I don't remember us being united on 9/12. I think AFTER 9/12 were...don't have a specific date, but I think 9/12 was not a united time for us. It was a ****ing scary, freaked moment for us.

I was young, but that's what I remember.

I think we were very united after 9/12, though. 9/12 was just way too white hot with what had happened the day prior.

Heck, even September 11th was a hugely united day!

But on September 12th...you were TRIPPING over American flags everywhere. The change was IMMEDIATE. We had the freaking CONGRESS with Republicans AND Democrats alike joining together hand-in-hand, arm-in-arm singing "God Bless America". I definitely remember 9/12 just as much as I remember 9/11 and thinking to myself "Wow. They thought these attacks would destroy this country, and all they did was bring us all closer together than ever before."


It sounds like the Tea Party thing. Is that on purpose?

It's very much related. A lot of the same ideas. The 9/12 Project can kinda be seen as an extension of the Tea Party movement, where the majority of the Tea Party movement has been about taxes and spending, the 9/12 encompasses that and all the other values and principles.

[StorminNorman]

No.

[imdaly]

Does someone have to believe in ALL of those things to be a 9/12er and march?

I don't think so. Like I said, I believe in all of them except Principle #2.



Btw, my mom is marching in DC right now. :) :up:

[ChrisBaleBatman]

No.

:dry:No?

No to what?

No to imdaly?

I don't think so. Like I said, I believe in all of them except Principle #2.


Well, that's promising. I certainly believe in a few, if not more, of those things...but how it ties into they're overall message and what they want sounds like it could be a deal maker/breaker.

[Addendum]

I remember the flags everywhere. And I liked showing the "made in china" tag on the label

[StorminNorman]

:dry:No?

No to what?

No to you having to agree with all of them.

[imdaly]

By the way, if anyone is actually watching his show right now, he's repeatedly tearing into the Republicans just as he is the Democrats. As usual, really.

[Addendum]

He's having a live show when college football is on? That's smart

[StorminNorman]

Agree - that is dumb.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

No to you having to agree with all of them.


Ok.

[imdaly]

He's having a live show when college football is on? That's smart

Lol. He's having his live show about the 9/12 rally while it's happening. :p

[Franklin Richards]

No. He's just trying to appeal to a certain group.

Three guesses which one.

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:doom: :doom: :doom:

[Addendum]

Lol. He's having his live show about the 9/12 rally while it's happening. :p
When a majority of the nation is watching college football

[Hobgoblin]

You know, I actually agreed with Glenn for a minute last night. He was outraged that after 8 years, we still hadnt built the Freedom Tower. We built the Crystler Building in the 30's in far less time but we still have a hole in the ground at Ground Zero. I was nodding along with him, until he started on how Americans could build the towers with their bare hands because thats what Americans do. Then I turned him off.

[imdaly]

One of the speakers Beck has at a rally right now on his show is an Athiest, and they're talking about how it doesn't matter what your religious beliefs are or aren't as long as you don't "canibalize" each other for their beliefs.

:up:

[Addendum]

Americans did build buildings with their bare hands. Then mankind made tools and it became much easier

[Hobodeluxe]

the worst thing about 9/11 was that we fell right into bin Laden's trap.
We did what he wanted us to do and then some.
So I think it's good that we reflect and remember that knee jerk overreactions are a bad thing.

[Hobodeluxe]

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb33/hobodeluxe/19campaign600.jpg

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44861000/jpg/_44861047_crowd466_grab.jpg

I heard the crowd was around 3,000 for the 9/12 teabaggers. not bad for a bunch of secessionists.

[imdaly]

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb33/hobodeluxe/19campaign600.jpg

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44861000/jpg/_44861047_crowd466_grab.jpg

I heard the crowd was around 30,000 for the 9/12 teabaggers. not bad for a bunch of secessionists.


You really don't understand the 9/12er movement, do you? :doh:

[Marx]

To be fair, there are certain groups involved with this movement that are calling for various states to secceed. However, I do think it is completely unfair to label them all a 'bunch of sessionists'.

[Kelly]

Along with several other groups wanting a multitude of different things, the signs show that.

[imdaly]

I understand that, and I wasn't refuting that at all. But to label the 9/12 Project movement as just "a bunch of secessionists" is misleading, over-generalizing, and a sad attempt to diminish the message these people are trying to convey.

In those crowds you have whites and blacks, men and women, seniors and teenagers, rich people and poor people, pastors and Athiests, Democrats and Republicans, Conservatives and Liberals, etc. A FAR cry from "a bunch of secessionists".

[Addendum]

Those people can have their movements and projects. I'll continue on with my life

[Superman]

I'm watching the Glenn Beck rally and I love to play,

"Where's the Black People?"


See how many you can spot.


I'm up to zero as of now.



:thing: :doom: :thing:

:pal::lmao::pal:

Most sig worthy post of the day.:hehe:

[Kelly]

He actually interviewed a black fellow by the name of Kevin Jackson....I guess AP went to the bathroom on that one...:cwink:

[Superman]

He actually interviewed a black fellow by the name of Kevin Jackson....I guess AP went to the bathroom on that one...:cwink:Oh I'm sure there are black people there, I just thought that post was funny.:woot:

[Kelly]

yep....

[Franklin Richards]

He actually interviewed a black fellow by the name of Kevin Jackson....I guess AP went to the bathroom on that one...:cwink:

Yeah. I came back just as he was promoting his book.


And he was in Quincy, Illinois.


:D


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[Paradoxium]

Moar rightwing terrorism.

Abortion activist shot in front of Owosso High School (http://www.mlive.com/news/flint/index.ssf/2009/09/antiabortion_activist_shot_in.html)
...shot multiple times and killed this morning in front of Owosso High School.
No thanks to Beck!!!

[Handsome Rob]

I heard the crowd was around 3,000 for the 9/12 teabaggers. not bad for a bunch of secessionists.

I think once you get back from your little ban there, you may want to 1) learn to count or 2) pick a source that isn't biased.

Here's a link to an article on the 9/12 march on Washington--with pictures. It looks like more than 3,000 to me. :whatever:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1213056/Up-million-march-US-Capitol-protest-Obamas-spending-tea-party-demonstration.html

[Handsome Rob]

Aw, heck. Here's the picture:

http://i894.photobucket.com/albums/ac147/handsomerob76/March1.jpg

Yeah, that's around 3,000 . . . :lmao:

[rdh007]

I'm sure this has been discussed in here already. I'm usually at least three weeks behind any good internet meme.

But since he won't come out and deny it (as he asks Keith Ellison to do in the video below), I feel obligated to pass along the word that Glenn Beck won't deny having raped and murdered a young girl in 1990.

gb1990.com

tgbg604XqPY

[Kelly]

There are some things that don't deserve even a look, this might be one of them.

[Nivek]

Hey, it's on numerous places on the internet! Maybe their is a grain of truth to it? :awesome:

[Paradoxium]

There were 1.8 million at Obama's inauguration, so 2 million is quite a lot.

[Kelly]

Hey, it's on numerous places on the internet! Maybe their is a grain of truth to it? :awesome:

Of course there could be....

But, if I had my guess, the source that was posted here is the first and the others simply repeated what it says. I also have a feeling that a Glenn Beck probably did rape and kill a girl in Texas, but its a different Glenn Beck. I highly doubt that the Glenn Beck we know raped and killed a 7 year old girl.

[Nivek]

Thats crazy talk Kel. That's like saying another kid named Barack Obama was born in Kenya, when our current President was born in sunny Hawaii. Simply Ludicrous... Two people cannot share a name!

[Kelly]

*smiles* It is amazing how and where that subject comes up on this board....

[voyzovrezon]

Anyone else bothered by this...9/12 movement?

Yes. Many of the people that attend these rally's are xenophobes or Christian nationalists. I saw pics of signs that had a swastika with the names of Obama, Reid, and Pelosi surrounding it. I saw a woman waving a confederate flag, and a guy holding a sign that read "We Came Unarmed THIS Time." I saw a video of a woman explaining to Sarah Posner (an independent journalist) why she was carrying an Israeli flag. It was because she felt Obama wasn't protecting Israel and that god's judgement will be upon us if he fails to protect it.

I'd post links to all this, but it's just too offensive.

[voyzovrezon]

I feel obligated to pass along the word that Glenn Beck won't deny having raped and murdered a young girl in 1990.



It's a hoax.

[voyzovrezon]

He actually interviewed a black fellow by the name of Kevin Jackson....

OK, we're up to one. :hehe:

[Kelly]

lol... and he's proud of it...

[Paradoxium]

Noooo:awesome: it's not bad fiscal policy, it's a racist :awesome:KHHHAAAANSPIRACY:awesome: to brings down the blax presidenz. :awesome: They are all racists, plz coverz your earsssss!!!!

[Lightning Strykez!]

Noooo:awesome: it's not bad fiscal policy, it's a racist :awesome:KHHHAAAANSPIRACY:awesome: to brings down the blax presidenz. :awesome: They are all racists, plz coverz your earsssss!!!!

:lmao:

I actually laughed out loud at this post.

[rdh007]

It's a hoax.

I'm usually at least three weeks behind any good internet meme.

From wiki: The term Internet meme is a phrase used to describe a catchphrase or concept that spreads quickly from person to person via the Internet, much like an esoteric inside joke.

There are some things that don't deserve even a look, this might be one of them.

Being an aficionado of smartassery, I sniffed this one out immediately. Though, in fairness, some folks may not have the same ability to sniff out sarcasm.

[voyzovrezon]

Noooo:awesome: it's not bad fiscal policy, it's a racist :awesome:KHHHAAAANSPIRACY:awesome: to brings down the blax presidenz. :awesome: They are all racists, plz coverz your earsssss!!!!

Yeah, real funny. :whatever:

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w149/Qswdef_2007/signcomp1.jpg

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w149/Qswdef_2007/signcomp3.jpg

[DACrowe]

I had a good weekend and avoided the news like a plague for the last 3 days. So how many "true Americans" showed up at this day of celebrating the union of fear we had years ago? Was it really 2 million? I'm sure there were quite a few but that number seems a bit high...

[Paradoxium]

Yeah, real funny. :whatever:

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w149/Qswdef_2007/signcomp1.jpg

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w149/Qswdef_2007/signcomp3.jpg

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/4871/uglymenh.jpg
I observes pictures and I concluz

U R hating on Obama, cause he is blax:cmad:

U R Part of the Racist....
http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/3029/khanr.png

...U R posting racist pics to push your racist agenda this is the only logical conclusion :wow:

[StorminNorman]

Yes. Many of the people that attend these rally's are xenophobes or Christian nationalists. I saw pics of signs that had a swastika with the names of Obama, Reid, and Pelosi surrounding it. I saw a woman waving a confederate flag, and a guy holding a sign that read "We Came Unarmed THIS Time." I saw a video of a woman explaining to Sarah Posner (an independent journalist) why she was carrying an Israeli flag. It was because she felt Obama wasn't protecting Israel and that god's judgement will be upon us if he fails to protect it.

I'd post links to all this, but it's just too offensive.

Every single anti-war demonstration featured a swastika with the names of Bush and Cheney.

Where there some racist idiots in Washington? Sure. But having christian hating people at anti-Bush rallies doesn't make everyone, or the majority, Christian haters.

This flawed logic is what is destroying the left. They write off the protesters as racist, ignoring the fact that (for the most part) these are Americans that have valid complaints about Obamapolicy.

Yeah, real funny. :whatever:

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w149/Qswdef_2007/signcomp1.jpg

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w149/Qswdef_2007/signcomp3.jpg

Only one of those pictures is racist. Two if you assume the lady is racist and not a secessionist. If you really want to condemn an entire movement by a few idiotic signs, I hope you are willing to condemn almost all liberal demonstrations as well.

[Addendum]

I condemn them all. When I want time off from work, I ask for it months in advance. I doubt that every single person is their own boss when it comes to work.

[DACrowe]

Well the movement of apparently some 70,000 people claiming to be 2 million is a bit humorous.

[Alastor]

Why is the poll closed? Cause Glenn Beck won?

And I can't tell if anyone gets it or youre just joking, but I believe the Glenn Beck killing and raping a girl meme is just a joke, not a "hoax" really. Like Beck says Obama's racist, so it must be true.

My aunt, who is a pretty conservative, Dubya-lovin' person, absolutely despises Beck. Thinks he's bad for the GOP and conservatism in general.

[Franklin Richards]

I had a good weekend and avoided the news like a plague for the last 3 days. So how many "true Americans" showed up at this day of celebrating the union of fear we had years ago? Was it really 2 million? I'm sure there were quite a few but that number seems a bit high...

Well the movement of apparently some 70,000 people claiming to be 2 million is a bit humorous.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v418/AuntPetunia/obamainaug-blog.jpg


:doom: :doom: :doom:

[Alastor]

Nice try wingnuts.

[imdaly]

Well the movement of apparently some 70,000 people claiming to be 2 million is a bit humorous.

70,000???

Take a look at this helpful map here (http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2009-01-19-crowd_N.htm)

and then watch this video here:
1UULBKgxRGk

And then TELL me that's just 70,000 people...

[Franklin Richards]

DC Fire Dept. says 70,000.


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[Arc-Light]

70,000???

Take a look at this helpful map here (http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2009-01-19-crowd_N.htm)

and then watch this video here:
1UULBKgxRGk

And then TELL me that's just 70,000 people...

I go to an event every year called " thunder over Louisville " its a very large fireworks display to celebrate the opening events before the Kentucky derby...about 100k plus ppl show up for it every year.......ahhh yeah that is only 70k at most.

[Alastor]

I went to Thunder a couple of years ago and was told that including both sides of the river attendence was 200,000 people. Never in my life have I seen that many people in one place, I was amazed, had a great time too. Looking at the video, it doesn't compare...I mean its a lot of people, and a respectable number, but no way its over 100,000, let alone 2 million like Michelle Malkin was saying.

[Oddzball]

There wasn't a "douchebag" option, so I abstained from voting :o

"Urinal" works as well as douchebag. ;)

[Nivek]

Yeah, real funny. :whatever:

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w149/Qswdef_2007/signcomp1.jpg



Love the Woman with the Stars & Bars, show just how ignorant the discussion has gotten.

[Alastor]

Yeah, they love their country, but want Texas to succeed and wave the freakin' Confederate flag every chance they get? What kind of American wants to see the Union dissolve?

[StorminNorman]

Yeah, they love their country, but want Texas to succeed and wave the freakin' Confederate flag every chance they get? What kind of American wants to see the Union dissolve?

Jefferson didn't have a problem with it. :o

[Alastor]

And he didnt have a problem with having slaves. Or sleeping with them. And, Jefferson wasn't born an American. He was a British subject. Sure he helped forge the USA, but he was a revolutionary at heart, so that really isnt a very good argument.

[StorminNorman]

And he didnt have a problem with having slaves. Or sleeping with them. And, Jefferson wasn't born an American. He was a British subject. Sure he helped forge the USA, but he was a revolutionary at heart, so that really isnt a very good argument.

No, it is - because Jefferson did not only forge the USA - he is one of the most influential political figures in American history, as is James Madison who agreed with Jefferson on secession.

It's a valid argument because Jeffersonians have always been an important political faction in American history - though the name has changed and evolved as time has gone on.

While I don't agree at all with the idea that states should be able to secede from the union, to say that such a belief makes you a bad American displays an ignorance of this countries history. Since the founding of the Constitution itself, the debate over States/Federal rights has been one of the most important in this country.

[DACrowe]

Jefferson didn't have a problem with it. :o

Comparing Jefferson to the Confederacy is beyond a stretch Norm, you know better. And in any case, again if she is arguing about "patriotism" and saving "America from dissolution," then why is she celebrating a historical uprising that sought to destroy the Union and led to the deaths of hundreds of thousands? Coming from the South, I am an avid student of our history and do look at the Civil War in depth, but I never can imagine why those who claim to love America and be "real Americans," celebrate with such veracity the Southern states seeking to destroy this country and despise those who preserved the Union. The lack of thought or reason many have on their way to the re-enactment battlefields carrying the Stars and Bars (with a Love it or Leave it Bumper Sticker) will never make any rational sense.

[StorminNorman]

Comparing Jefferson to the Confederacy is beyond a stretch Norm, you know better. And in any case, again if you are arguing about "patriotism" and saving "America from dissolution," then why are you celebrating a historical uprising that sought to destroy the Union and led to the deaths of hundreds of thousands. Coming from the South, I am an avid student of our history and do look at the Civil War in depth, but I never can imagine why those who claim to love America and be "real Americans," celebrate with such veracity the Southern states seeking to destroy this country and despise those who preserved the Union. The lack of thought or reason many have on their way to the re-enactment battlefields carrying the Stars and Bars (with a Love it or Leave it Bumper Sticker) will never make any rational sense.

Hardly, Jefferson was the grandfather to the Confederacy. He was a champion for a states right to secession.

I am not celebrating the Confederacy, I disagree vehemently with the idea of secession, it's one of my more major disagreements with Thomas Jefferson - but to say that holding that stance makes you a bad American is, in my opinion, going way to far. This issue has been around since the founding of the country and divided the founding fathers.

[Alastor]

No, it is - because Jefferson did not only forge the USA - he is one of the most influential political figures in American history, as is James Madison who agreed with Jefferson on secession.

It's a valid argument because Jeffersonians have always been an important political faction in American history - though the name has changed and evolved as time has gone on.

While I don't agree at all with the idea that states should be able to secede from the union, to say that such a belief makes you a bad American displays an ignorance of this countries history. Since the founding of the Constitution itself, the debate over States/Federal rights has been one of the most important in this country.

Yeah, I'm ignorant of this countries history. Ok. First of all I dont appreciate being called ignorant. Secondly, no, if someone wants to see the dissolution the Union because a guy you don't like is President you are a bad American in my opinion. I hated W and his policies, but never once wanted the country to split. OK, how about stupid American? "Thats it! We lost..er it was stolen! Succeed!" They'll probably want Beck a President. And I have yet to hear a good reason why people think Texas should succeed other than "socialized medicine".

We should be able to work things out in this country in this day in age without talks of succeeding. At least serious politicians shouldn't. These people have no good reason to want to succeed. They just don't like having a black president.

[StorminNorman]

Yeah, I'm ignorant of this countries history. Ok. First of all I dont appreciate being called ignorant. Secondly, no, if someone wants to see the dissolution the Union because a guy you don't like is President you are a bad American in my opinion. I hated W and his policies, but never once wanted the country to split. OK, how about stupid American? "Thats it! We lost..er it was stolen! Succeed!" They'll probably want Beck a President. And I have yet to hear a good reason why people think Texas should succeed other than "socialized medicine".

We should be able to work things out in this country in this day in age without talks of succeeding. At least serious politicians shouldn't. These people have no good reason to want to succeed. They just don't like having a black president.

No, you ASSUME it's because they don't want a black President - and that's where you are wrong. You can shout racism until you are blue in the face, but it clashes with the reality of the situation and it is this mistake that is destroying the left.

This is an IDEOLOGICAL divide. It started with TARP (unpopular under both Obama AND Bush), it continued with the Bailouts, with the GM acquisition, with Cap and Trade and now is fueling the Healthcare debate. People don't want to see government get bigger! That's the problem here. People did NOT vote for Obama to make government bigger, they voted for Obama to change the culture of incompetency and partisanship in Washington - something he has masterfully failed in doing.

Again, the longer liberals convince themselves this is all racist - the longer they will continue to lose the debate.

[DACrowe]

Hardly, Jefferson was the grandfather to the Confederacy. He was a champion for a states right to secession.

I am not celebrating the Confederacy, I disagree vehemently with the idea of secession, it's one of my more major disagreements with Thomas Jefferson - but to say that holding that stance makes you a bad American is, in my opinion, going way to far. This issue has been around since the founding of the country and divided the founding fathers.

He did. He also was from the formation of the Constitution and did this during two crucial points in the dawn of the United States. One time was when the Constitution lacked a Bill of Rights, something that surely we can all agree was vitally needed and has been a great protection and buffer from government corruption and power for the last two and a half centuries. Another was when John Adams (at the urging and pressuring of Alexander Hamilton) ignored the Bill of Rights and signed Alien and Sedition, which gave the government the power to arrest anyone who publicly criticized them.

Early on these moments of tactful and empty-handed threats helped strengthen the Union. I do not think ultimately shaming Alien and Seditions into irrelevance or winning a Bill of Rights led to the Confederacy. If you want to credit anybody with this, how about the Framers of the Constitution for upholding slavery and making the 3/5 Compromise, or Calhoun leading the way to the Tariff Rebellion in South Carolina, which set precedent of the South's ability to pressure the federal government with secession? I think those had far more to do with the eventual formation of the Confederacy and the Civil War than any of Jefferson's philosophical musings.

--edit: I never said it makes someone a bad American. I don't like the idea of "real Americans" vs. "bad or fake Americans." And I didn't mean to imply you agreed which is why I edited that original post to emphasize I was talking about the woman in the picture. In her case, I do not think it makes her a bad American. Irrational or extremely misinformed? Probably, but not a "bad American."

[DACrowe]

No, you ASSUME it's because they don't want a black President - and that's where you are wrong. You can shout racism until you are blue in the face, but it clashes with the reality of the situation and it is this mistake that is destroying the left.

It depends how far it is taken. I think the Wilson thing has gone on long enough. I understand your musings and while I think there was a lot of racism in the August town halls, to harp on it a lot discredits my cause. But what Wilson did, underlined that feeling and there is nothing wrong with simply highlighting a deep seeded truth. You're right not all or most who oppose Obama are racist. But there is a racial element and Wilson exposed it very publicly last week and hurt the right far more than the left, in my humble opinion.

[StorminNorman]

He did. He also was from the formation of the Constitution and did this during two crucial points in the dawn of the United States. One time was when the Constitution lacked a Bill of Rights, something that surely we can all agree was vitally needed and has been a great protection and buffer from government corruption and power for the last two and a half centuries. Another was when John Adams (at the urging and pressuring of Alexander Hamilton) ignored the Bill of Rights and signed Alien and Sedition, which gave the government the power to arrest anyone who publicly criticized them.

Early on these moments of tactful and empty-handed threats helped strengthen the Union. I do not think ultimately shaming Alien and Seditions into irrelevance or winning a Bill of Rights led to the Confederacy. If you want to credit anybody with this, how about the Framers of the Constitution for upholding slavery and making the 3/5 Compromise, or Calhoun leading the way to the Tariff Rebellion in South Carolina, which set precedent of the South's ability to pressure the federal government with secession? I think those had far more to do with the eventual formation of the Confederacy and the Civil War than any of Jefferson's philosophical musings.


You are incorrect about Hamilton pressuring Adams to sign the Alien and Sedition acts, but that's irrelevant to this particular discussion.

You act, however, that Jefferson's secessionist rhetoric was limited simply to the case of the Alien and Sedition Act. Jefferson voiced support for Secession during his first inaugural address and did so again 15 years later when Northern states were contemplating it (""If any state in the Union will declare that it prefers separation ... to a continuance in the union .... I have no hesitation in saying, 'Let us separate.'")

The connection between classic Jeffersonians and mid 19th century secessionists can hardly be ignored. The States Rights mantra all stemmed from the Virginia trinity of Jefferson-Madison-Monroe and the justification of the Civil War stemmed purely from Jefferson's own ideology.

--edit: I never said it makes someone a bad American. I don't like the idea of "real Americans" vs. "bad or fake Americans." And I didn't mean to imply you agreed which is why I edited that original post to emphasize I was talking about the woman in the picture. In her case, I do not think it makes her a bad American. Irrational or extremely misinformed? Probably, but not a "bad American."

No, but Alastor, with whom I was debating, did.

[StorminNorman]

It depends how far it is taken. I think the Wilson thing has gone on long enough. I understand your musings and while I think there was a lot of racism in the August town halls, to harp on it a lot discredits your cause. But what Wilson did underlined that feeling and there is nothing wrong with simply highlighting a deep seeded truth. You're right not all or most who oppose Obama are racist. But there is a racial element and Wilson exposed it very publicly last week and hurt the right far more than the left, in my humble opinion.

And I see nothing racially driven by Wilson's actions. I think this was a purely political move by him, trying to take advantage of the political atmosphere. A direct result of the Tea Party/Town Hall vocal frustration from the people. I think this was a calculated attempt (much like Rick Perry's talk of Texas secession) to place himself as a face on the grassroots movement.

I just don't see the racial issue being a driving factor in either Wilson's or the Town Hall actions.

[redfirebird2008]

I agree with Norm on the issue of racism. Yes there are some idiots that are against Obama at least partially because of racism, but most of them are simply not happy with his policies. Nothing wrong with that.

[Paradoxium]

D.C. Police says it is 1.2 million

[DACrowe]

You are incorrect about Hamilton pressuring Adams to sign the Alien and Sedition acts, but that's irrelevant to this particular discussion.

You act, however, that Jefferson's secessionist rhetoric was limited simply to the case of the Alien and Sedition Act. Jefferson voiced support for Secession during his first inaugural address and did so again 15 years later when Northern states were contemplating it (""If any state in the Union will declare that it prefers separation ... to a continuance in the union .... I have no hesitation in saying, 'Let us separate.'")

The connection between classic Jeffersonians and mid 19th century secessionists can hardly be ignored. The States Rights mantra all stemmed from the Virginia trinity of Jefferson-Madison-Monroe and the justification of the Civil War stemmed purely from Jefferson's own ideology.


You raise valid points about Jefferson and I partially agree with you. However, despite his philosophy on secession and his view of big government, one must account for him being a revolutionary and in general a detester of government. Which makes his union with John Adams, the staunch Federalist an d dreary Order-man from New England hilarious and fitting. I suppose Jefferson is a series of contradictions and crosses, but I always liked the man, however I understand your personal disdain for the leader. But I maintain he was a great founding father for this country that pushed the individuality and protection of the individual you cherish so much now and Hamilton sought to weaken.

Also I again must reiterate the 3/5 Compromise and postponement of dealing with slavery in the Constitution and John C. Calhoun's ego trips in South Carolina had more to do with the secession rhetoric than with Jefferson's confounding writings.

As for Hamilton in Alien and Seditions. I was under the impression from reading that marvelous john Adams biography that he was pressured into signing the act and even supporting it by his cabinet, which was far more controlled by Alexander Hamilton (as he controlled it very much under Washington as well) than Adams. So it always seemed Hamilton was influencing Adams on the subject.

[Paradoxium]

The biggest protest ever was the 3 million anti-war protest in Rome (Guinness World Record)

In DC, the biggest top protests prior:

- anti-Vietnam @ 500,000+
- anti-Iraq War @ 500,000+
- LGBT @ 300,000-1 million
- Million Man March @ 400,000 - 1 million
- March For WOmen's Lives @ 500,000 - 1.15 million

[DACrowe]

And I see nothing racially driven by Wilson's actions. I think this was a purely political move by him, trying to take advantage of the political atmosphere. A direct result of the Tea Party/Town Hall vocal frustration from the people. I think this was a calculated attempt (much like Rick Perry's talk of Texas secession) to place himself as a face on the grassroots movement.

I just don't see the racial issue being a driving factor in either Wilson's or the Town Hall actions.

Well we are going to have to respectfully agree to disagree. I respect you a lot Norm, but I think there is a huge racial factor tinged in this matter. While it does not include everybody involved or even most, it is vocal and it is shaping the ugly discourse in the country right now. I do not know if Wilson is personally racist or not, but the environment that has bred such racial vitrol in August gave him the platform, if you will, to as you say make a political stance by calling the president a liar on national TV during a formal meeting before Congress. I don't know if he was racist, but he was trying to appeal to them. I wouldn't call what Perry did racist, but there is some influence in Wilson's remarks and the Dowd assertion that you could year, "You lie, boy" is dead on to me. There is a strong racial undertone to the town hall meeting when I see a sea of white middle aged-to-eldery people in cow boy hats singing "We're going to take our country back."

However, as always I'd like to cordially agree to disagree.

[Comicfilmer]

Edit

Sorry, I haven't been following this thread. I thought we were talking about the Inauguration crowd - not some protest.

[DACrowe]

The 70,000 is the Glenn Beck 9/12 event that occurred on Saturday. Most agree around 1.8 million people showed up for Inauguration Day back in January.

[Comicfilmer]

Yeah, I thought everyone was talking about the inauguration (I was there and think that 2 million, while not spot-on per-say, is probably pretty accurate). I didn't even know Beck had a protest going on. If it were really 2 million people, it would have been a much bigger news story.

[StorminNorman]

You raise valid points about Jefferson and I partially agree with you. However, despite his philosophy on secession and his view of big government, one must account for him being a revolutionary and in general a detester of government. Which makes his union with John Adams, the staunch Federalist an d dreary Order-man from New England hilarious and fitting. I suppose Jefferson is a series of contradictions and crosses, but I always liked the man, however I understand your personal disdain for the leader. But I maintain he was a great founding father for this country that pushed the individuality and protection of the individual you cherish so much now and Hamilton sought to weaken.

Jefferson's philosophies on government and it's place mirror much of my own, though I do think it was possible they were perhaps not-so practical in the environment of his time (which could explain the more moderate stance of his Presidency) - and far more than Hamilton's.

While I find him to be a deplorable person, his importance on this country is inarguable. Jefferson is as American as Michael Bay - which is why I find the idea that some (not yourself) calling people who invoke States Rights as inferior Americans quite laughable.

Also I again must reiterate the 3/5 Compromise and postponement of dealing with slavery in the Constitution and John C. Calhoun's ego trips in South Carolina had more to do with the secession rhetoric than with Jefferson's confounding writings.

Jefferson (or his political posse) was a great catalyst for most of these things.

As for Hamilton in Alien and Seditions. I was under the impression from reading that marvelous john Adams biography that he was pressured into signing the act and even supporting it by his cabinet, which was far more controlled by Alexander Hamilton (as he controlled it very much under Washington as well) than Adams. So it always seemed Hamilton was influencing Adams on the subject.

John Adams made it his chief mission in life, following the death of Alexander Hamilton, to blame the Secretary Treasure for every sin the Federalists ever created. John Adams often talked about how Hamilton authored laws and memos to to him at the start of his Presidency - though no record of such documents exist.

Hamilton at first opposed the Alien and Sedition acts honestly, and the pressure to enact such laws came from Congressional and Senatorial Federalists - not Hamilton or within Adams cabinet. Hamilton would go on to support the acts (in large part due to the Republican Press unending personal vendetta against him), but he was by no means the mastermind behind them.


Well we are going to have to respectfully agree to disagree. I respect you a lot Norm, but I think there is a huge racial factor tinged in this matter. While it does not include everybody involved or even most, it is vocal and it is shaping the ugly discourse in the country right now. I do not know if Wilson is personally racist or not, but the environment that has bred such racial vitrol in August gave him the platform, if you will, to as you say make a political stance by calling the president a liar on national TV during a formal meeting before Congress. I don't know if he was racist, but he was trying to appeal to them. I wouldn't call what Perry did racist, but there is some influence in Wilson's remarks and the Dowd assertion that you could year, "You lie, boy" is dead on to me. There is a strong racial undertone to the town hall meeting when I see a sea of white middle aged-to-eldery people in cow boy hats singing "We're going to take our country back."

However, as always I'd like to cordially agree to disagree.

We can add it to the list.

[StorminNorman]

The 70,000 is the Glenn Beck 9/12 event that occurred on Saturday. Most agree around 1.8 million people showed up for Inauguration Day back in January.

DC Police disagree.

[DACrowe]

DC Police disagree.

But D.C. Fire Departments do, as does every major media outlet in the world now (even a reluctant Fox...not counting what Beck and Hannity may say later tonight). Still.

[Paradoxium]

Hopefully in a couple of days when more data comes in, this is settled

[ChrisBaleBatman]

2 million?

Doubtful.

Where'd that number come from? Was it the AP or something?

[Kurosawa]

I agree with Norm on the issue of racism. Yes there are some idiots that are against Obama at least partially because of racism, but most of them are simply not happy with his policies. Nothing wrong with that.

Wilson's history in terms of race is questionable at best:

http://www.alternet.org/story/142563/14_things_you_need_to_know_about_obama_heckler%2C_ rep._joe_wilson/

[Kelly]

I think the info needed is are the counting Washington only, or "all" rallies around the country?

[ChrisBaleBatman]

There were more around the counrty? I thought it was all supposed to be in Washington?

I am actually happy to see that Liberals aren't the only ones that protest. I continue to find that interesting.

[Kelly]

Yeah, they were all over the place.

[The Overlord]

Yeah, they were all over the place.

What second this is supposed to be the 9-12 and yet on 9-12 a lot of conservatives said criticizing the President was Un-American. So is the 9-12 Project itself Un-American? :wow::woot:

[Kelly]

What does that question have to do with my post?

:huh::huh::huh:

And how am I supposed to know?:huh::huh::huh:


I don't really care myself....to each his/her own.

They have an opinion, and are giving it....I tend to give my opinion on these things through my vote, not attending rallies...

[The Overlord]

What does that question have to do with my post?

:huh::huh::huh:

And how am I supposed to know?:huh::huh::huh:


I don't really care myself....to each his/her own.

They have an opinion, and are giving it....I tend to give my opinion on these things through my vote, not attending rallies...

I was just telling a joke, hence the smiley faces. I will quote anyone in order to tell a gag. :cwink:

[ChrisBaleBatman]

My only issue with the protests are that I don't get what they're protesting. What's wrong, that they want changed?

Just seems too broad. But, hey...maybe I'm not "listening" as Norm would say.

[The Overlord]

My only issue with the protests are that I don't get what they're protesting. What's wrong, that they want changed?

Just seems too broad. But, hey...maybe I'm not "listening" as Norm would say.

Anyone who doesn't completely agree is "not listening". :cwink::woot:

[Kurosawa]

My only issue with the protests are that I don't get what they're protesting. What's wrong, that they want changed?

Just seems too broad. But, hey...maybe I'm not "listening" as Norm would say.

It really is all over the place but nastiest elements stick out the most.

[Kelly]

We have three threads in here talking about the same thing...lol

[Lightning Strykez!]

We have three threads in here talking about the same thing...lol

That's because the topic is hot and uncontainable!!! LOL :p

[Kelly]

lol, I guess so.....I just go between the three threads to keep up with the topic...

[coreymb16]

To me, Glenn Beck do not make any sense at all when he talks and he always use oxymorons. For instances, he said(I'm paraphrasing), "I'm not saying Obama is a racist, but I think he doesn't like white people." He is obnoxious and need to get off air.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I've heard that Beck wasn't at the rally.

That true? Because I thought it was his project?

[Paradyme]

I've heard that Beck wasn't at the rally.

That true? Because I thought it was his project?

No, he wasn't at the rally he just televised it. In fact I think Andrew Wilcow (sp?) was the only talk show radio host that was there.

[Superman]

I've heard that Beck wasn't at the rally.

That true? Because I thought it was his project?I thought the Republican group FreedomWorks put it together. Beck was just the pichman for them.

[StorminNorman]

I thought the Republican group FreedomWorks put it together. Beck was just the pichman for them.

No, this was Beck's project.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Interesting article: http://www.politicsdaily.com/2009/09/17/the-glenn-beck-as-murderer-meme-vaccine-or-infection/?icid=main|aimzones|dl1|link5|http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pol iticsdaily.com%2F2009%2F09%2F17%2Fthe-glenn-beck-as-murderer-meme-vaccine-or-infection%2F

[Kelly]

I'm sure this has been discussed in here already. I'm usually at least three weeks behind any good internet meme.

But since he won't come out and deny it (as he asks Keith Ellison to do in the video below), I feel obligated to pass along the word that Glenn Beck won't deny having raped and murdered a young girl in 1990.

gb1990.com

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Of course there could be....

But, if I had my guess, the source that was posted here is the first and the others simply repeated what it says. I also have a feeling that a Glenn Beck probably did rape and kill a girl in Texas, but its a different Glenn Beck. I highly doubt that the Glenn Beck we know raped and killed a 7 year old girl.

Interesting article: http://www.politicsdaily.com/2009/09/17/the-glenn-beck-as-murderer-meme-vaccine-or-infection/?icid=main|aimzones|dl1|link5|http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pol iticsdaily.com%2F2009%2F09%2F17%2Fthe-glenn-beck-as-murderer-meme-vaccine-or-infection%2F (http://www.politicsdaily.com/2009/09/17/the-glenn-beck-as-murderer-meme-vaccine-or-infection/?icid=main%7Caimzones%7Cdl1%7Clink5%7Chttp%3A%2F%2 Fwww.politicsdaily.com%2F2009%2F09%2F17%2Fthe-glenn-beck-as-murderer-meme-vaccine-or-infection%2F)

You slow....lol

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I blame AOL Homepage.

But, I think the article is dated 9/17/09, today.

[Kelly]

Then they are slow....lol

As far as the 9/12 thing.....Beck named it, and promoted it.....but the group FreedomWorks (http://www.freedomworks.org/blog/bstein80/updated-bus-list-for-the-march-on-dc) was the group that put the March on Washington together....

[Superman]

Then they are slow....lol

As far as the 9/12 thing.....Beck named it, and promoted it.....but the group FreedomWorks (http://www.freedomworks.org/blog/bstein80/updated-bus-list-for-the-march-on-dc) was the group that put the March on Washington together....That's what I thought.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Then they are slow....lol



...I thought the article was interesting nonetheless. Not the news of the website itself.

[voyzovrezon]

Beck goes back to the old (chalk) drawing board. The "fringe" media isn't seeing the whole picture. See--it's The Tree of Revolution (http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200909180030)

[Addendum]

And that tree grows on the campus of the University of I can't remember

[Joker]

I'd just like to say that Glenn Beck looks like some sort of hideous pig-troll. Every time I see his face I'm seriously disgusted by his physical appearance. It's almost Lovecraftian.

I guess the outside matches his evil, black hearted views though.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Now that you mention it...everyday, he begins to look more and more like Boss Limbaugh.

Oh, and wearing jeans with you shirt and tie. Not as cool as it used to be. Just saying'.

[Addendum]

Hell, I thought he was Dongalor on Krod Mandoon

[Carcharodon]

Americans?A subgroup of them, sure.

[Carcharodon]

By the way, if anyone is actually watching his show right now, he's repeatedly tearing into the Republicans just as he is the Democrats. As usual, really.Is he crying, as usual?

[Kelly]

The effect immediately after 9/11 is the "rally round the flag (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rally_Round_the_Flag_Syndrome)" phenomenon. It's nothing new. Politicians love to capitalize on things such as this. I think a better description is the "Polarity Strategy" - shifting focus on some figure or symbol. Be it on Beck, Palin, Bin Laden, Bush or Obama. It's common for those who like to toy the populist emotion.

Agreed.....and all that does is anger those already angry about elitist bull **** being thrown at what is, to some, a very emotional, truthful, desire to be heard and let their government know how they feel...." but lets forget about those people and keep talking about Beck. *shakes head*

[Carcharodon]

Agreed.....and all that does is anger those already angry about elitist bull **** being thrown at what is, to some, a very emotional, truthful, desire to be heard and let their government know how they feel...." but lets forget about those people and keep talking about Beck. *shakes head*Did you forget which thread you were in or something? Early-onset Alzheimer's is no laughing matter, Kel.

[Kelly]

No, dox was using the 9/12 protests as his example, I was just going with that....and I didn't mean "us" as "here on the hype"....I meant "we" as in, News Magazines, mainstream TV News Outlets, New York Times, etc.....lol, I know the thread is about Beck, I meant, news as a whole at the moment......I actually have an example of this, but I'll have to find it.

[Carcharodon]

No, dox was using the 9/12 protests as his example, I was just going with that....and I didn't mean "us" as "here on the hype"....I meant "we" as in, News Magazines, mainstream TV News Outlets, New York Times, etc.....lol, I know the thread is about Beck, I meant, news as a whole at the moment......I actually have an example of this, but I'll have to find it.You know I'm just playing. :oldrazz:

[Kelly]

Yes I do.........and I still can't find my example....lol

[Shifty]

Glenn Beck: Obama Better For Country Than McCain Would Have Been (VIDEO) (http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5328039n)

[8wid]

Glenn Beck: Obama Better For Country Than McCain Would Have Been (VIDEO) (http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5328039n)

It does at least prove that he is a Libertarian.

[8wid]

Glenn Beck: Obama Better For Country Than McCain Would Have Been (VIDEO) (http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5328039n)

It does at least prove that he is a Libertarian by not choosing either major party.

[samsnee]

While I appreciate the video, I wonder why he doesn't say this on his own show? Is it because he knows his audience would desert him in droves?

[StorminNorman]

While I appreciate the video, I wonder why he doesn't say this on his own show? Is it because he knows his audience would desert him in droves?
This is a perfect example of a person who doesn't know anything about Glenn Beck, criticizing Glenn Beck.

He DID say it on his show. Now it was on his radio show (because he wasn't on Fox at the time of the election), but considering Glenn criticizes the GOP daily on his show, it's ridiculous and delusional to believe that he is censoring attacking the right because he is afraid of his audience leaving him.

[samsnee]

Can you post some YouTube links of where he has criticized the GOP as harshly as he has Obama or Democrats in general? I'm not saying I don't believe you, but I'd be interested in seeing them.

[StorminNorman]

I would recommend starting with a Google or Youtube search of your own.

For example, I type "Glenn Beck criticizes Bush" on google and I find this: "Bush's compassionate conservative must die Violent Death" (http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/beck_limbaugh_bush/2009/05/25/217943.html) on the first page.

[Nivek]

It does at least prove that he is a Libertarian by not choosing either major party.


You mean the new type of Libertarian's that agree with Republican policy 99% of the time, to the point where Libertarians are just another sect of the Republican party? I see a lot of that around anymore.

[Paradyme]

You mean the new type of Libertarian's that agree with Republican policy 99% of the time, to the point where Libertarians are just another sect of the Republican party? I see a lot of that around anymore.

I'd say you are blinded by your hate for Glenn Beck if all you've heard is "The Republicans are right 99% of the time".

[Superman]

You mean the new type of Libertarian's that agree with Republican policy 99% of the time, to the point where Libertarians are just another sect of the Republican party? I see a lot of that around anymore.Plus the fact that it wasn't that hard to criticize Bush nomatter what side you was on.

Hell even Far Right wing Republicans was criticizing Bush by the end of his term so I'm not that empressed if Beck started criticizing Bush. It's easy to jump on the bandwagon and criticize someone who Everbody knows is wrong. That's like saying the devil is a bad guy... Everyone knows and agrees with that. :o

[Nivek]

I'm not "blinded" by my hate of Glenn Beck, it's my opinion of why the ranks of self-described Libertarians have exploded since Bush was in office.

But as far as Beck "bashing" Bush, c'mon... I have not seen anything where he was all that damning to begin with.

[StorminNorman]

You mean the new type of Libertarian's that agree with Republican policy 99% of the time, to the point where Libertarians are just another sect of the Republican party? I see a lot of that around anymore.

You really think Beck agrees with the GOP 99% of the time? Then you are clearly commenting on a person you have spent little time listening to.

Try to actually have a clue of what you are talking about, before trying to make accusations about it.

Plus the fact that it wasn't that hard to criticize Bush nomatter what side you was on.

Hell even Far Right wing Republicans was criticizing Bush by the end of his term so I'm not that empressed if Beck started criticizing Bush. It's easy to jump on the bandwagon and criticize someone who Everbody knows is wrong. That's like saying the devil is a bad guy... Everyone knows and agrees with that. :o

Beck said Obama and Hillary were better for America than John McCain. Beck regularly bashes current Republicans - it wasn't simply Bush bashing.

But again, like Novak, you have no idea what Glenn Beck stands for.

I'm not "blinded" by my hate of Glenn Beck, it's my opinion of why the ranks of self-described Libertarians have exploded since Bush was in office.

But as far as Beck "bashing" Bush, c'mon... I have not seen anything where he was all that damning to begin with.

Yes, you are absolutely blinded by your hate of Glenn Beck and your last two posts prove it entirely.

Glenn Beck stated that Bush's policies need to DIE A VIOLENT DEATH. You haven't seen anything all that "damning", because you DON'T WANT TO. You have no interest in the truth, but rather seeing what you WANT TO BELIEVE.

But please continue, because it's rather entertaining seeing you try so very hard.

[Superman]

You really think Beck agrees with the GOP 99% of the time? Then you are clearly commenting on a person you have spent little time listening to.

Try to actually have a clue of what you are talking about, before trying to make accusations about it.


Beck said Obama and Hillary were better for America than John McCain. Beck regularly bashes current Republicans - it wasn't simply Bush bashing.

But again, like Novak, you have no idea what Glenn Beck stands for.



Yes, you are absolutely blinded by your hate of Glenn Beck and your last two posts prove it entirely.

Glenn Beck stated that Bush's policies need to DIE A VIOLENT DEATH. You haven't seen anything all that "damning", because you DON'T WANT TO. You have no interest in the truth, but rather seeing what you WANT TO BELIEVE.

But please continue, because it's rather entertaining seeing you try so very hard.I don't care what Beck "Stands For". The man is batsh** crazy who has been caught lying to his watchers time and time again. You can't, Or more likely won't, Understand this because, Like you said, YOU DON'T WANT TO. The very fact that you and others on the Right continue to defend this lying nut as if his words were gospel just shows why the GOP is in the minority.

[StorminNorman]

I don't care what Beck "Stands For". The man is batsh** crazy who has been caught lying to his watchers time and time again. You can't, Or more likely won't, Understand this because, Like you said, YOU DON'T WANT TO. The very fact that you and others on the Right continue to defend this lying nut as if his words were gospel just shows why the GOP is in the minority.

the man IS batsh** crazy - which is why it doesn't make sense when you criticize him for things he isn't guilty of when there are so many others things you can.

I haven't tried to defend the "lying nut" when he was wrong, I said he was wrong to call Obama a racist - what I have defended him is when you or Novak or anyone else says he only attacks Democrats, claim that he is "one of those libertarians that back Republicans 99% of the time", yada yada yada - because you are simply flat out wrong. Completely factually incorrect.

Your inability to understand this is exactly why your side is losing the American people.

[The Overlord]

the man IS batsh** crazy - which is why it doesn't make sense when you criticize him for things he isn't guilty of when there are so many others things you can.

I haven't tried to defend the "lying nut" when he was wrong, I said he was wrong to call Obama a racist - what I have defended him is when you or Novak or anyone else says he only attacks Democrats, claim that he is "one of those libertarians that back Republicans 99% of the time", yada yada yada - because you are simply flat out wrong. Completely factually incorrect.

Your inability to understand this is exactly why your side is losing the American people.

I don't think Beck is a liar, I think he believes the things he says.

But he is an idiot and he sees things that don't exist and tries to make points that make no sense. It makes almost everything he says completely worthless, I don't care how popular is, he is an idiot and as an idiot he deserves no real consideration.

[Nivek]

Novak? Didn't the CIA whack that loose lipped reporter with a radioactive phone receiver?

[metr0man]

I don't think Beck is a liar, I think he believes the things he says.

But he is an idiot and he sees things that don't exist and tries to make points that make no sense. It makes almost everything he says completely worthless, I don't care how popular is, he is an idiot and as an idiot he deserves no real consideration.

Really? I don't... one day he's cheerleading a bailout bill, the $700 billion bailout bill, then he's pretending like he's against that sort of spending. One day, this year even, he's insisting that he doesn't know a democrat who's actually a socialist/marxist, now he's playing the socialist card. Wait, did I say cheerleading? "I think the bailout is the right thing do. The real story is the $700 billion that you’re hearing about now is not only, I believe, necessary, it is also not nearly enough, and all of the weasels in Washington know it."

Yeah, that sounds a lot like the Glenn Beck on TV now doesn't it, "Not nearly enough"?

His views change depending on the mood around him. He is a leaf on the wind. He found a group to play to, and he's milking it, and that's fine, more power to him, but I laugh in my elitist "fake american laughing at the real heartland america" way at his devoted fans who actually think he has convictions.

[Kelly]

I don't think Beck is a liar, I think he believes the things he says.

But he is an idiot and he sees things that don't exist and tries to make points that make no sense. It makes almost everything he says completely worthless, I don't care how popular is, he is an idiot and as an idiot he deserves no real consideration.

So you simply disagree with his views?

[StorminNorman]

Novak? Didn't the CIA whack that loose lipped reporter with a radioactive phone receiver?

Haha, yea - I was writing this during a class we were discussing the Price of Darkness. I am blaming that for the typo. :o

[Franklin Richards]

If I looked at Beck the same way I look at Howard Stern or the way I looked at Imus, I'd prolly enjoy his show.


It's just so HARD.



:doom: :doom: :doom:

[8wid]

Who the hell actually checks what information he puts out? I have yet to hear someone debunk the information that he has released on Van Jones, or the questions that he is asking in his tough questions campaign. If he really has lies or nothing to say, then why does no source in the media come out large enough to do a segment on him and discredit him?

[8wid]

I don't think Hannity really meant to distort what Obama said. I believe he's just too stupid to understand the English language.

It's done to make it look like he made a mistake.

Does anyone else think that Glenn Beck is being raised up to replace Bill O'Reilly in the future?

[StorminNorman]

It's done to make it look like he made a mistake.

Does anyone else think that Glenn Beck is being raised up to replace Bill O'Reilly in the future?

Bill O'Reilly and Glenn Beck are two very different type of people - so no.

Glenn Beck is more comparable to Sean Hannity, even though they are both completely different (Beck is far, far superior.)

If Fox News is grooming any Bill O replacement, it is Shepard Smith.

[The Overlord]

So you simply disagree with his views?

For the most part yes, but that's besides the point. I disagree with his presentation more then anything, I think he is bad pundit and a bad "entertainer". I don't like this whole "we are under siege" gimmick he's going here, I think that is stupid. He makes him like a fear monger.

I may not agree with everything Ron Paul, but I at least like and respect him, I can't say say for Beck, because Ron Paul is an intelligent man and Beck is an idiot.

Glenn Beck isn't an idiot for disagreeing with me, he's an idiot because he acts like one. I see no reason to respect him or treat him with anything besides contempt.

[Kelly]

But, for the most part you simply disagree with his views? Just making sure I understand the bottom line, that's all.

[Superman]

Who the hell actually checks what information he puts out? I have yet to hear someone debunk the information that he has released on Van Jones, or the questions that he is asking in his tough questions campaign. If he really has lies or nothing to say, then why does no source in the media come out large enough to do a segment on him and discredit him?Apparently you've never watched Countdown, Keith shows his lies and backs it up with sources that prove that Beck lied on an almost nightly basis.

Que Norman.... LOL

[The Overlord]

But, for the most part you simply disagree with his views? Just making sure I understand the bottom line, that's all.

Yes I disagree with most of his points, but that's irrelevant to my point. I can disagree with someone and still respect them, I just don't do that easily. i disagreed with William F. Buckley, but I can still respect him. I don't do that with Beck.

But yes I disagree with the views he expressed on one show where he thought the US government was going to outlaw meat. I am supposed agree with that? That's just insane, nothing on that episode made any sense. I am supposed to agree with the notion that Obama is a racist or that Obama plans on turning the US into Cuba? Beck is full of crap, how am I supposed to agree him?

How I am supposed to agree with him, he is insane and often his points make no sense, his show often features no coherent.

How I am supposed to agree with someone who's grasp of reality is flimsy at best.

Why would I agree with a crazy person, Beck is about as coherent as a guy who wears a tin foil hat to protect his brain from martians. Maybe if Beck stops acting like a lunatic, I would find him more agreeable.

[Marx]

Bill O'Reilly and Glenn Beck are two very different type of people - so no.

Glenn Beck is more comparable to Sean Hannity, even though they are both completely different (Beck is far, far superior.)

If Fox News is grooming any Bill O replacement, it is Shepard Smith.

Shepard Smith seems to be a little more fair-minded than Bill O' Reilly.

[8wid]

Apparently you've never watched Countdown, Keith shows his lies and backs it up with sources that prove that Beck lied on an almost nightly basis.

Que Norman.... LOL

I watch Countdown. Olbermann is worse than anyone on Fox when it comes to bias, he has no credibility IMO. His trend is to mock more than he debunks, Beck is like a rodeo clown compared to Bozo here.

[StorminNorman]

Bill O is very fair minded. He has been extremely objective with everything Obama related, for example.

[The Overlord]

Bill O is very fair minded. He has been extremely objective with everything Obama related, for example.

I saw on the Daily Show O'Reilly was getting an award from a "Focus on the values" group, where they had a speech about pre adolescent boys disliked homosexuals and that was a good attitude to have. Also O'Reilly was getting an award for Courage in the media and they wouldn't let the media cover it.

This why I don't like O'Reilly, he hangs out with the family values. Also he is a hypocrite, he talks about moral values and yet he is a sex fiend who harasses women and uses his money to avoid charges, way to be personality responsible Bill.

Anyway I was down in the US and I was watching Fox News and it was one of the worse things I ever saw. I swear the programs were designed to lower the IQ points of people watching. On this one show, America's Newsroom, they showed pictures of Obama's Czar and played the soviet national athem. How is that fair and balanced? Did CNN ever show pictures of Bush's Czars and start playing Dixie land? It doesn't even make sense considering that Soviets overthrew the Czar to gain power. I also saw I show where Glenn beck was convinced the government was going to ban to ban meat, which confirms my belief he is an idiot.

Fox News is the worst news network in the entire western World, its piss poor yellow journalism at its worse and the fact that is successful is the ultimate triumph of style over substance, because I see very little in the way of substance from this channel.

[Superman]

I watch Countdown. Olbermann is worse than anyone on Fox when it comes to bias, he has no credibility IMO. His trend is to mock more than he debunks, Beck is like a rodeo clown compared to Bozo here.Olbermann can be overzealous, I'll give you that, But at least when he calls someone out for lying he backs it up with video, audio or some kind of newspaper quote source to prove his claim.

That's why Fox and BillO can't stand him. He uses their own words to prove that they are full of it.

[DACrowe]

they are all quite differnt in style. O'Reilly is a short-termpered narcissist who likes to run to the middle and appear as a moderate man until he is treated not as an alpha by someone who disagrees with him, then civility goes out the window. But generally tries to appear level headed. I think Stephen Colbert said it best, "He is genuine. He believes what he says. Now, I don't agree with what he thinks or the quality of that thought, but he believes it."

Hannity is a RNC shill. Whatever the GOP stance on an issue he is at that point. If Beck represents the crazy doomsday wackjob mentality out there right now, Hannity was the smug pompous voice of the Republicans during most of the Bush Administration. He plays an act and performs a character and is basically the equivalent of a GOP PR man with a news show.

Beck is more rooted in libertarian thought than either. However, he seems very confused and mixes metaphors and terms so much it is hard to call him a libertarian. He is closer to a populist in line with Father Coughlin of the 1930s. An overthetop ratings beloved doomsday prophet who warns of the destruction of America and taps the populist outrage of the lower classes by blaming all government, all parties and all with power for "our problems." He has a folksy self-deprecating style that makes him seem more approachable and constantly compliments his audience as opposed to lecturing them (O'Reilly) or talking down to them (Hannity).

This gives Beck instant affability. And of course he does the whole song and dance about the end of America and pretends to be the voice of the people as opposed to being an outsider above the fray in presentation like Bill-O or a bit of a Republican elitist like Hannity.

I think all three spew misinformation, but of them O'Reilly seems to be honest (unlike Hannity) and sane (unlike Beck), so he is the best on the network. Really.

[Oddzball]

It's done to make it look like he made a mistake.

Does anyone else think that Glenn Beck is being raised up to replace Bill O'Reilly in the future?


"Insurance executives don't do this because they're bad people; they do it because it's profitable." is not reduceable to "When he (President Obama) said 'Insurance People are bad people' it took me a back." (As Olbermann observed, it's 'taken aback', Sean.)

To take Hannity at his word, he had to mishear what the President said, then go check the transcript or the replay, hear what was said and 'accidentally' lose the portions of the statement I put into italics.

The alternate would be that he heard it wrong, relied on his memory alone and never checked with readily available resources (said transcript and replay as well as other people on staff who heard the speach) before opeing up his mouth and inserting his foot into it.

The first case is that he intentionally altered what was said to distort it into a statement exactly opposite what he did ssay. In any news organization (something Fox News is not) that's grounds for immediate dismissal.

The second case means he's utterly reckless with facts and incompetent at reporting what was said. Again in any News organization this level of incompetence is grounds for immediate dismisal.

Ailes probably gave Hannity a raise.

[Nivek]

Olbermann can be overzealous, I'll give you that, But at least when he calls someone out for lying he backs it up with video, audio or some kind of newspaper quote source to prove his claim.

That's why Fox and BillO can't stand him. He uses their own words to prove that they are full of it.


Pretty much. The Red's biggest enemy is their own words and actions, on tape. Hell, take all the tea party footage, and compare it to what Fox News said about anti-administration protesters 5 years ago. Daily Show and Olberman have done this a couple times now...

[Joker]

Look, we have to kill Glenn Beck. From what I know about hideous pig-trolls, we have to aim for his soft underbelly, and then cut off his head, just to be sure. That might be dragons and vampires, actually, but close enough. And then we'll set his corpse on fire just to make sure.

Once again, this has nothing to do with his political views (which are insane, but of no importance), but more the fact that he's obviously some sort of subterranean monster, risen from the darkest undersea cave, on a mission most likely to destroy the human race.

I mean, look at the resemblance here...

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z98/TheJoker138/beck-300x408.jpghttp://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z98/TheJoker138/pig00.jpg

[Superman]

I know, This should be in the Political Satire & Cartoon thread but it fit so well with this whole thread I just couldn't resist it...
http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/7352/tinfoilbeck.jpg

:cwink::hehe::hehe::cwink:

[Nivek]

I mean, look at the resemblance here...

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z98/TheJoker138/beck-300x408.jpghttp://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z98/TheJoker138/pig00.jpg


all we need is a Half-bear, half woman to mate with...

[Kelly]

I'll let the pics stay unless it turns into a pic thread, and then they will be moved....

[Nivek]

I'm done.

[StorminNorman]

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv358/3maniam/cptglennsparrow.jpg


:huh:

[Paradyme]

:lmao:

Now that actually made me laugh out loud...at work.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I went browsing through Amazon, and was pretty amazed to see the top selling books.

At the the top of the list for Political books is Beck's new book.

He really churns those books out too, doesn't he? I thought he had one just recently before this new one.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I can't see Shep being the next O'Reily. He just doesn't seem to fit the mold.

The only reason I think Beck replacing Bill-O is even a rumor...is because of his ratings.

I think it only makes sense, ratings wise as Fox News is, that they'd capitalize on it by making Beck a primetime show. I don't think there's any room for him now, though.

Maybe let Beck take Greta's spot?

And what's this I hear about Fran...Drescher getting a show on Fox News, now?

[Paradyme]

Ugh, seriously? Fran Drescher?

[SuBe]

Fran Drescher was on Hannity a few months ago saying she wants to run for Congress.

[DACrowe]

Beck will replace Hannity before O'Reilly. Hannity and Beck usually come to the same conclusions anyway, just by different routes (Hannity being a GOP brownnose for ratings and Beck being legitimately insane and possibly overacting it for ratings). But Hannity is a star as well, I could see them simply moving Hannity to Greta's timeslot and giving Beck 9 pm (because it is more primetime real estate in the heartland) and giving Greta 5 pm. She would be unhappy, but she is a semi-journalist and Fox has little need for that.

Or at the very least they move Beck to 7 pm. One of those will happen. Not that I care, because watching Beck is mentally and physically painful. Indeed.

[dnno1]

Bill O is very fair minded. He has been extremely objective with everything Obama related, for example.

He really wants to have another interview with the President. In spite of the high ratings for a cable network, Fox just doesn't have the same caliber of guests, investigative reporting and interviews that CNN or any of the other network carriers do. O'Reilly is just trying to coax Obama into an interview. The truth of the matter is that if there were another terrorist attack under Obama's watch, he and the other conservative pundits would vehemently attack Obama (unfairly) and say that he would be done.

[Paradyme]

Fran Drescher was on Hannity a few months ago saying she wants to run for Congress.

What state or who is she going to run against? or planning? Did she say?

[Kelly]

What state or who is she going to run against? or planning? Did she say?


I thought it was New York, but I could be wrong....

[Kelly]

I went browsing through Amazon, and was pretty amazed to see the top selling books.

At the the top of the list for Political books is Beck's new book.

He really churns those books out too, doesn't he? I thought he had one just recently before this new one.

I think his last one was not really a major book, but a take on "Common Sense" pamphlet ..... and it was paperback.....so it came out really quick.

[Matt Mortem]

Common Sense was retarded. I bought it just cuz I had some money to burn and it was page after page of ********.

[SuBe]

Was there a lot of big words?

[Matt Mortem]

No more than any other book. It was like reading one of his teleprompter printouts.

[SuBe]

AT: I woke up at 4:00 in the morning with this in my head.

GLENN: Did you?

PAT: How I loathe you for this.

GLENN: Well, that's just all we're trying to do is just get the facts into the hands of the American people. So when your idiot friend comes up to you and says...

PAT: Hey, it's about time that the rich start paying their fair share. Raise their taxes!

GLENN: Then take this one? I'm not sure what you mean by your fair share, but if you'd read Page 191 of Arguing With Idiots, you might find that the wealthiest 1% of taxpayers are carrying the load for 39% of the bill. The top 20 pay over 86% of the bill. The poorest 20 pay less than 0. The poorest 20%, their tax rate is actually negative 2.9%.

PAT: Oh, of course you say that because you're knowingly omitting payroll taxes. Those target the poor!

GLENN: Well, you'd have to flip to Page 192, which is the next page in Arguing With Idiots, to see that even when you include payroll taxes and corporate taxes, the top 20% of taxpayers still pay over 72% of the bill.

PAT: Well, whatever. Even if they're paying a higher percentage of the taxes, that's only because the rates of the United States are so incredibly low.

GLENN: Oh, sorry, sorry. Our tax rate is 35%. The world average in 2003 was 31.2%. 35 here, 31.2 elsewhere. I think our rich pay more here. But that only tells half the story. The world average has been falling ever since 2003. Now our rate is 35% currently. The world average is less than 29%. Where do you think people are going to create jobs? If Obama gets his tax hike through, the U.S. will have a rate that is 11 points higher than the world average.

PAT: Oh, really? You know what is 1100 points higher than the average?

GLENN: Gee, let me think. My cholesterol?

PAT: No oh, wait. Yes. Yeah, that's right. Yeah.

GLENN: You know what's amazing to me is how many times you can argue these things and you can win every time if you just have the facts. I mean, the fact about the average rate around the world and hour rate.

PAT: That's great.

GLENN: 11 points higher, what do you think's going to happen to the country. Do you know we're currently in the beginning of a trade war with China? That's real bright. What's it over? Tires. Do you know who makes the tires overseas in China? Many of them are American companies. So we're boycotting ourself really. I mean, it's crazy. Why is that happening? It's happening because it's too expensive here. We've got to make ourselves competitive. And the way to make ourselves competitive is not through unions read the chapter on unions. Not unions. It's not some governmental healthcare. It's by freeing people up. There's a story on what is this, the Washington Post today? Yeah, the Washington Post. You know what's offensive about Glenn Beck and Limbaugh and Palin is that they refuse to acknowledge their real intellectual forerunners, the anarchists of the late 19th century. The individual has greater worth than organized society. Yeah, the anarchist they are called our founders. They are called our founders. The individual is what matters. The individual has greater worth than organized society. While there is legitimate debate over the amount of control the government or states should have, it is necessary for people to be free. There needs to be organization. No kidding! It's called limited government. Look it up. The founders came up with it. Beck, Limbaugh and Palin brand of conservatism insists on no limit on the individual. That's not true. That's not true. There are limits. There were absolute limits. In case of reality and truth is what I deem it to be as in witnessed by Palin's Bridge to Nowhere, pseudorejection. Beck's attempt to show how current Democrats are the intellectual descendants of Naziism, socialism and communism as Limbaugh's Operation Chaos.

Well, they're not the descendants of Naziism, socialism and communism. They're a branch of that tree. That's what progressivism is.

PAT: Almost the antecedents.

GLENN: Yeah, they are.

PAT: Because Wilson, Wilson developed the propaganda that the Nazis used.

GLENN: Yeah. But the Nazis, they are the antecedents. But they are branches off of the Marxism tree and that's why progressivism came off, and they hated, they hated communists and Marxists.

PAT: And again that's not rank and file Democrats.

GLENN: No, no, no.

PAT: Their party has been co opted. We're talking about progress I was.

GLENN: Most people don't know. Most people, when you say "Are you a progressive?" They will say, yeah. What is a progressive? They don't know. "Well, I'm progressive. I'm progressive thinker. I'm..." what is it? What are the roots? When you look at the roots, when you read the founding documents, I encourage you to read the founding documents, the founding fathers, if you will, of the progressive movement in the early 20th century and then read the founding documents of our country. Read the words of our founders. If you read the founding words from, oh, what's his name, House? What was that no, Lippmann, Walter Lippmann. Oh, my gosh. And it's still being taught in schools. You read Walter Lippmann. I've read some pretty excruciating stuff. I have read some stuff. I've read about the twelfth Imam. This is the guy who I think could be construed as the Antichrist. The twelfth Imam, the one that today Ahmadinejad is going to say again you mark my words. He will say it again in front of the United Nations, "Oh, Allah, give me the strength to hasten the return of the promised one." The promised one is the twelfth Imam. I believe that is the Antichrist. It is it has all of the earmarks. I've read some pretty dark stuff. I have never closed a book, ever, and said I can't read this anymore; it's just wicked stuff. Walter Lippmann. Walter Lippmann, who was one of the guys who was instrumental at CBS. I think he was the head of CBS for a while, he's one of the guys who started the Council on Foreign Relations. He was one of the guys who did the Versailles treaty, he's one of the architects of Woodrow Wilson. He is just evil stuff. I couldn't read it anymore. It's so dark, it is such a depressing look at humanity where they are saying you'll never be able to get stupid people to vote; that's why we have to breed eugenics breed smarter people to weed out the riffraff. I couldn't read it anymore. And maybe it's because it was an American saying it. But I challenge you, you want to know before you call yourself a progressive, read the founding fathers of progressivism. Read them. If you agree with them, that's great.

You know, it's like Marxism. Remember that quote we got from Karl Marx we found, Pat, a couple of months ago where, what was the percentage? 20%?

PAT: I'm pretty sure it was 20.

GLENN: 20% where Karl Marx said you are going to have to with this you are going to have to kill about 20% of the population because you just have to do that. They are not going to go along with it.

PAT: I think he said eliminate.

GLENN: Eliminate, sorry, eliminate 20% of the population. I haven't seen that in the words of our founding fathers. I haven't seen that. I'm going to go with the guys who didn't say we had to eliminate 20%. I'm going to go with the guys who in the 20th century didn't say, yeah, we're going to have to breed our way to smarter people so they can get our progressive ideology. I'm just going to, I'm going to trust the American people to educate themselves and to do the right thing. I'm going to be more along the lines of Thomas Jefferson. The people are going to make a mistake. But that's why you can change the Constitution, just like the progressives. Remember it's the progressives that had a stop change in the Constitution. We were changing it all the time. We changed the Constitution for prohibition. Then we changed it back. The scars were left for us to see. We haven't changed it. Why are we changing the Constitution now? Because they know it's too difficult, you can't get people to do it. So what they did is they just changed the fundamental framework of this nation. That is the progressive idea. Started back in the early 20th century: Let's fundamentally transform America. And you are seeing the end game happening now.

[Addendum]

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[Kelly]

I bet I could win 10 bucks by betting someone on rather you actually read what SuBe posted......lol

[Addendum]

It was a chore to read, and I wish I could get those 2 minutes back.

[Kelly]

lol....

[Oddzball]

Fran Drescher was on Hannity a few months ago saying she wants to run for Congress.


http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2007/06/01/2007-06-01_she_thinks_congress_may_need_a_nanny.html

[Oddzball]

I thought it was New York, but I could be wrong....

With her accent, New York is the ONLY possibility...

[Paroxysm]

Fox News is basically the literal equivalent of government lobbyists hiring an always on thoroughly deceptive public relations propaganda machine that veils itself as a real news station that reports legitimate journalism.

[Nivek]

With her accent, New York is the ONLY possibility...

I'd move back to NY just to vote against her. I could never stand her, that voice is like nails dragged across a chalkboard. Same thing with Lynn "Why am I on Sirius Left?" Samuels.

[C.F. Kane]

It was a chore to read, and I wish I could get those 2 minutes back.

Cliffnotes version? I'm worried that if I read it I'll lose a few brain cells in the process.

[Darthphere]

Cliffnotes version? I'm worried that if I read it I'll lose a few brain cells in the process.

Fairtax, *****es.

[VampElvis]

I also woke up at around 4 AM this morning. Two things were in my head
(1) Son, it's 4 o'clock in the morning. Go get back in your bed and go back to sleep, and
(2) I have to pee
Now, after reading what others think about at 4 AM, I feel inadequate.:csad:

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I believe she's recently said that she won't run anytime soon, but will run someday.

She seemed to have done her homework on the healthcare debate when I saw her on MSNBC a while ago.

[voyzovrezon]

Beck defends his comments about Obama being a racist. Here's a clip of Katie Couric asking Beck about it. He balks about being asked for a soundbite. Beck says one of the things that made him say that was Obama's comments about the white cop acting "stupidly." He then brings it back to Rev. Wright.

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Then here's what the clip doesn't show. Beck squirms and hems and haws when asked to explain what he meant by "white culture." This courtesy of The Young Turks: :hehe:

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[StorminNorman]

The Young Turks are idiots, but I was kinda surprised with how Beck handled that question.

[voyzovrezon]

The Young Turks are idiots, but I was kinda surprised with how Beck handled that question.

That's what's so funny, he didn't handle it. :hehe:

[Manic]

I actually laughed a little when they showed Couric's "WTF" expression after Beck finished his bit about being "the target for asking questions."

[Carcharodon]

The Young Turks are idiots, but I was kinda surprised with how Beck handled that question.Really? You were? :dry:

[gap5ewl]

Why do people like him always use the, "You're using a soundbite and are trying to paint me in a bad picture" defense when they can't answer a question about their stupid comments? He did the same thing when he was on the View by making him look like the victim. This man has such a sloppy delivery of his "beliefs" and commentary. He can never specifically backup his statements. He just expects people to agree with him without asking why. I honestly can't understand how people see this bumbling idiot as some sort of Messiah...

[Hobgoblin]

He's everywhere. :dry:
http://i446.photobucket.com/albums/qq188/mrdamntn/junk/TimeGlenn_9171.jpg

[Kelly]

Yep, he said that the pic of the "Crowd on the lawn of the White House" during the March of Washington should have been the cover.

[Superman]

He's everywhere. :dry:
http://i446.photobucket.com/albums/qq188/mrdamntn/junk/TimeGlenn_9171.jpgI got that in the mail the other day, It's fun throwing darts at it.:oldrazz:

[Marx]

He's everywhere. :dry:
http://i446.photobucket.com/albums/qq188/mrdamntn/junk/TimeGlenn_9171.jpg

I got that in the mail as well. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon13.gif

[StorminNorman]

Not quite as flattering as the Rush Limbaugh cigar smoking badass pic.

[DACrowe]

It just makes him look like a petulant man-child jackass. But that is probably what he wants.

It was actually a pretty good article in there. They point out the banality of partisan media and cable news. How Beck has to be angry and ranting every night to sell books and how he and Keith Olbermann (for one example) can feed off of one another by insulting the other and creating their own news with reactionary politics.

How bland. They also point out that if Hannity was the voice of W.'s Republicans and Limbaugh the Reagan era, than our dear own Howard Beale here is the voice of defensive paranoid Republicans today.

Good for him. The thing is the mood can change. What if the economy does turn around in the next year? What if healthcare does pass and the country doesn't turn into Soviet Russia? Chances are mainstream America will start approving of Obama again and they will be left out in the cold. Maybe they'll start listening (help me for saying this) O'Reilly and get at least some version of common sense applied to their conservative values.

[Kelly]

It just makes him look like a petulant man-child jackass. But that is probably what he wants.

It was actually a pretty good article in there. They point out the banality of partisan media and cable news. How Beck has to be angry and ranting every night to sell books and how he and Keith Olbermann (for one example) can feed off of one another by insulting the other and creating their own news with reactionary politics.

How bland. They also point out that if Hannity was the voice of W.'s Republicans and Limbaugh the Reagan era, than our dear own Howard Beale here is the voice of defensive paranoid Republicans today.

Good for him. The thing is the mood can change. What if the economy does turn around in the next year? What if healthcare does pass and the country doesn't turn into Soviet Russia? Chances are mainstream America will start approving of Obama again and they will be left out in the cold. Maybe they'll start listening (help me for saying this) O'Reilly and get at least some version of common sense applied to their conservative values.

You better take that back before the "god of liberals" strikes you down.....


Oh wait, he already sent his son, so you should be fine.....

[DACrowe]

I don't like O'Reilly, but I don't think he is a liar, I just think he is wrong. But even if he is an egomaniac blowhard, he is at least honest (unlike Hannity, Limbaugh and maybe Beck) and not insane (most def. Beck).

So, if one wants conservative talk media, I at least can somewhat respect this guy. I know, I never thought I'd say that.

[Carcharodon]

I prefer Limbaugh to Beck or Hannity as well. :up:

[StorminNorman]

It just makes him look like a petulant man-child jackass. But that is probably what he wants.


That picture is years old and Time used it without Beck's cooperation.

[Shifty]

Glenn Beck spoofed on SNL
http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200909240036

[Addendum]

That picture is years old and Time used it without Beck's cooperation.

Actually the cover is from this past June (which is 3 months ago, if one doesn't use Karl Rove's math) which was part of an article he did for GQ. The picture was taken by Jill Greenberg. You know, the lady who "terrorized children" and took their picture, if one considers showing a kid a lollipop then taking it away as "terrorizing kids".

[Superman]

Actually the cover is from this past June (which is 3 months ago, if one doesn't use Karl Rove's math) which was part of an article he did for GQ. The picture was taken by Jill Greenberg. You know, the lady who "terrorized children" and took their picture, if one considers showing a kid a lollipop then taking it away as "terrorizing kids".:lmao: Gotta love that Karl Rove math, It makes months turn into years when you use it.:hehe:

[Oddzball]

That picture is years old and Time used it without Beck's cooperation.

Awwwwwwwwww Gee. I will assume that Time obtained the legal right to publish that picture regardless of Beck's cooperation.

[Kelly]

Actually the cover is from this past June (which is 3 months ago, if one doesn't use Karl Rove's math) which was part of an article he did for GQ. The picture was taken by Jill Greenberg. You know, the lady who "terrorized children" and took their picture, if one considers showing a kid a lollipop then taking it away as "terrorizing kids".

Actually if I'm not mistaken that shoot is from September, 2007. That is when the GQ article came out...

Nope mistaken, yeah this is not from a print article in GQ, this is from a Q&A on the GQ website blog....from June, 2009.

The print article was 2007, and he did a photo shoot then, but this is from the "fake crying" photo shoot in June.

Addendum is correct....

Here is the Q&A...

http://men.style.com/gq/blogs/gqeditors/2009/06/glenn-beck.html?mbid=typepad

She asked for him to cry, and he did...after they put crap under his eyes to make him cry. Yuk...

[Kelly]

Awwwwwwwwww Gee. I will assume that Time obtained the legal right to publish that picture regardless of Beck's cooperation.


I'm sure they did....but that is not always the case.

Playboy put Jessica Alba on their cover with a Sony picture from "Into The Blue" they asked permission, and her publicist and Sony said no, they used it anyway..... and she and Sony were going to sue. They settled it, and Playboy gave an unknown amount to some of Alba's charities that she works with....so this can happen, but not sure that it happened in this case.

I will say this, I saw an interview on O'Reilly awhile ago, and Beck didn't mention it being used without his consent, he simply said that he felt the pic from the "March on Washington" should have been used instead.

[The Overlord]

That picture is years old and Time used it without Beck's cooperation.

So what, they can use any picture they feel like.

Considering Beck acts like an ass clown on his show, the picture is appropriate.

Respect is not a right, its a privilege to be earned, I don't think Beck has earned that privilege, no matter how popular he is.

[StorminNorman]

Actually the cover is from this past June (which is 3 months ago, if one doesn't use Karl Rove's math) which was part of an article he did for GQ. The picture was taken by Jill Greenberg. You know, the lady who "terrorized children" and took their picture, if one considers showing a kid a lollipop then taking it away as "terrorizing kids".

Beck mentioned that he thought the picture was few years old, obviously he was mistaken. The time at which the photo was shot, however, was completely irrelevant to the point I was making.

Awwwwwwwwww Gee. I will assume that Time obtained the legal right to publish that picture regardless of Beck's cooperation.

I have no doubt. I wasn't asserting otherwise.

So what, they can use any picture they feel like.

Considering Beck acts like an ass clown on his show, the picture is appropriate.

Respect is not a right, its a privilege to be earned, I don't think Beck has earned that privilege, no matter how popular he is.

Again, you miss my point as well. I was simply responding to DA's assertion that this was the image Beck wanted Time to use in order for some motive his own - that was not the case.